Does all philosophical thought lead to the value for value way?
In Ep #24 were covering how Blair Schofield & Martin Lindeskog use v4v on their show 'The Secular Foxhole'. One unique aspect they brought was to put themselves in a new listeners shoes and really simply the process from A to Z of how to support the show.
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In Ep #24 were covering how Blair Schofield & Martin Lindeskog use v4v on their show 'The Secular Foxhole'. One unique aspect they brought was to put themselves in a new listeners shoes and really simply the process from A to Z of how to support the show.
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Do all philosophical thoughts end up leading to the value for value way. Welcome, everyone to another episode of the value for value podcast. I'm your host, Kyrin, also the host of the mere mortals podcast. And the Mere Mortals book reviews as well. And in this podcast, we like to examine other podcasters who are using the value for value model, how they are particularly trying to enhance their shows using it, perhaps unique, tantalizing things that they're doing. And today, we have one for you called the secular foxhole. So I came across these guys, because they actually mentioned one of my shows, and in particular, the value for value episode I did with Dave Jones. And so I wanted to check them out and see what they've been up to. So it's two older gentleman by the name of Blair Showfield. And Martin Lindeskog, I believe Martin is Swedish. They started around mid 2020. And they've got about 50 episodes currently released, which are a mix of chats between themselves and then also interviews that they've done mostly with authors that I can tell. Now I'm going to jump onto their website here, and I'll let them somewhat explain how they what their podcast is about what they do. So I chose this name to dispute the myth that there are no atheists in foxholes, but also as a place to share ideas and defend free speech that CO hosts both advocate the separation of church and state but also economics and state in short, liberalism, individualism and capitalism. Now, why would such gentleman like this be interested in something like Bitcoin and value for value? Okay, it's pretty obvious how they've come to the value for value model. But with philosophical thoughts like this, you're sort of going to be dragged into this, this arena, I should say, which is, you know, it's almost like the technology that you use that as being embodied, will draw in the people who are interested in this. Now, they're also very keen, and Rand, I suppose like supporters, which I believe is the philosophy known as objectivism. So they've been studying this quite a lot they, from the couple of episodes that I tuned into, they were very keen into books such as The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.
Those are the two that I've personally read as well. But she had a whole bunch of different series. So that's the show in a nutshell, let's go on to how they implement value for value in their own show. So I'd say there's no section or pitch per se, it seems like they roll into it at random points in the episode as their general themes naturally lead into it. So for example, here is a clip that I've taken from episode, oh, they don't have the episode number. So it's the one called donations and podcasting 2.0, which was released on the 15th of April, but come again, to this value for value that think about it and say, what kind of value is this podcast, and then take an active choice, could I support them by like the donation button that will soon come to captivate in another way also, as it will be even simpler to donate direct. And then, of course, this what I'm looking into, but I know realistically will take time, it will take years, maybe five years, 10 years, when it will become commonplace, but to stream Satoshis. So but to start thinking about this, we will talk more and more about that, because we for selfish reason. But also for the listeners and fellow podcasters out there, because this is an important issue that will be have freedom of expression, and we could support indie podcasters and content creators.
So yeah, that's a pretty good aspect, I suppose of how they typically will, we'll talk about it. And so there's no pitch per se, you can tell there that he was somewhat right, bringing it off of the top of his head. What I do like is that he emphasized the long Outlook. So this isn't something that you should expect to see quick results on. I've been following the value for value model on the Mere Mortals, since pretty much roughly I heard about it. And that's been Jesus got to be over a year ago. And, you know, it's it's not instantaneous, even if you have a large audience, that they're not going to jump onto this because there's so many steps involved. Like you said, there's the, I suppose the onboarding of the Bitcoin of streaming Satoshis you know, you just say Satoshis and that's, that's enough to drive some people off. So I suppose one thing to keep in mind, especially if you're listening to this podcast is it's gonna take a long time, so don't don't be expecting, you know, quick results. Quick Fixes. This, I think, almost if you're using Bitcoin In itself, that's, you've got to have a longer time timeframe outlook, because if you're wanting the quick stuff, this is this isn't the place to be, I suppose. Now, here's another section, which I've taken from the episode of 17th of March, which says James Madison, new sandwich and value value, how you can support because we in not take for granted because we never do that, but the call to action. But we don't want to write anything on how to say, parent knows or on the forehead, or we don't want to beg guide error, we don't want to have any sacrifice. But if you see this as a value in one way or another, then you could act accordingly. And that could be for example, suggested to a friend to listen to our show, it could be that you follow our podcast, with our own standalone app, for example, that we are paying money for every month, it can be also that you join our new digital townhall and speaking up your mind or sharing some good stuff that we have, and everything of this is in the show notes. But I wanted to come back then a bit about value for value, because I think it's currently to the trader principle in action. So if so, I'm just gonna cut them off there and which is, you know, they've obviously thought about this a fair bit, because they're not just advocating one, one method, either of which is value for value, with the time talent and treasure, it's not just the Bitcoin or the streaming Satoshis. It's also all of these other things you mentioned, and what was really cool with what Martin was talking about just there was, it's very specific, you know, they've created their own application to be able to listen to the show, one, which I imagine has some additional benefits, there's a beautiful way to go about doing it there. They've talked about, you know, telling it to a friend, joining their community speaking up getting that additional sort of input going in. So there's, you know, one of the things with value for value is making it as easy as possible for your listener, because if you're asking, oh, hey, can you just send me a message on? You know, wherever you feel best, it's like, Geez, how does one go about that? Do you? You know, go to your email, how do you find the email? What should the email be titled? Will it go to junk or spam? Like, what's the chances of it getting through? So it's really cool that they take this look, and I have heard them previously on other episodes suggested finding special numbers that they can use for themselves, for example, they suggested one, which was 1905 to two, which was related to N Rand, I'm not exactly sure why that number, perhaps something to do with the release date of a book 1905 or something like that, potentially. But they're very clear on sharing leaving comments, and then it's not a charity, you know, they've, they've not just dip their toes into the value for value model, they've, they've researched it quite a fair bit, which I think is really cool. Now something unique that they've done, there's, well, there's one common theme, I suppose it's not super unique, because we I noticed this on the last episode with the bowl after bowl and how they would tie their theme in to the value for value, ie the theme of you know, if you're having a joint passed around, you share it, you do it with other people. And so that's a nice way of sharing the ball after ball podcast. Now, what they talked about just that was the trader principle, and I won't go into that into too depth, too much depth, but very similar. They they the people who are going to be attracted to their type of podcast, ie the free thinkers, sort of intellectuals interested in the separation of religion and state or money and state, they're going to be the type of people who know about the trader principle and then can go up value for value trader principle, those to mix and match somewhat, and I can understand the principle of what they're trying to do. And it's not just them, you know, having a money grab or something like that. No, there's there's deeper ideas behind this. So value for value isn't just some random thing that's been thrown out.
No, they've thought about it deeply. But here's a another clip, which I wanted to play, which was from the fifth of June episode, which was titled, funnily enough, the trader principle and value for value. And then I think it's also the fountain head and fountain app. So talking about that and ran there and then also the fountain app which listeners so this podcast should, should know very well being the app of Oscar Murray, who have had on the memorials podcast twice if you felt like doing that. Now this is around midway through the episode, and here's something unique that I've found that they do particularly well.
That's what I'm saying this is the wave of the future. So with very strong Action simple instructions step by step so that you download the app for free on from Apple App Store or Google Play Store. Or if you want to, in a way, get connected with me directly, you use the link video, including the show notes to fountain.fm, forward slash lyceum. And I think Robert, will get the kick off. So I've, you know, got that username Lyceum, yes. So if you go over our venue, download the app, and then you get connected with me directly, and you get like a profile page. So on that page, it's two clips from you know, we have been guest on a podcast. That's right. So these clips are there. And you write a short, you could write a short text about yourself also. So this is getting personalized. So I see where we could go, it's lots of things that you could do in the future. Yeah, but you could only I mean, use it and listen to it without any else thing. And then the next thing, then, you know, in order to get transactions of his Satoshis, you start out with adding funds to safe electronic wallet. And we recommend a wallet called Blue Wallet. So that's free download an app called Blue wallet, the color blue and wallet. And then you in order to get the Satoshis or fractions of Bitcoin, you are then have to use you know, fiat money, or credit card, charge it and then add some Satoshis and funds there when I used it. And depending on where you're located in the world, I used, could you pay with something called swish buddy? That's only in the I think in Scandinavian countries. And then I had to you by the amount of Satoshi for sweet as Swedish crowns. 350 about 340 $5. In your case, maybe it's less or more, I don't know. Because now so I'll cut them off there. And you can see that he's he's gone through the whole process. So if you're going from straight, no knowledge, what you need to do, okay, first thing, download the fountain app, find the secular foxhole podcast, and also his username. So then you know, okay, yeah, this is by Sam, this is Martin and blaze podcast, then how can you get funds to that? Well, here's a suggestion, try blue wallet.
Depending where you are in the world. He him being in Sweden, obviously. And so it's kind of unique because he had to use Swedish Chronos to do this. So how do you do it? If you're using Swedish krona ours and what was really cool about this is one, it was, it wasn't skipping over steps, which is something I do quite, quite often. And it's, you know, it's not like you need to do this for every single episode that you're doing. But it probably is nice, every now and then to go, okay. Maybe I've got some new listeners in here. Maybe they've heard about the value for value a couple of times now. But you know, they have no idea. It's almost like coming midway into a joke. And you're like, Okay, I can sort of see what's happening here. But maybe the the joke is only really impactful because you heard the first start the first the starting of the joke.
And that's what brings it round right to the end. If you listen to Dave Chappelle, he's amazing at doing this sort of thing. So I think that that process from start to finish his, you know, handholding basics, this is what you do. This is how you get this. And this is how you can end up sending it to us and not being super specific as well. Because there are going to be people in you know, outside of Sweden who don't have swish on there's going to be people outside of the of America who don't have cash app or whatever, those typical ones where you just automatically assume oh, okay, I use this I'll use that.
And that unfortunately, isn't isn't the same everywhere in the world. So you have to make do with that. So I thought I thought that was really cool that they they went through that particular area how you can go from start to finish and it continued on of okay, now once you have them, you send them over to the app. Once you're in the app, this is how you set your streaming amount and this is how you send a booster gram This is what a booster gram is etc, etc. So I thought that was really cool. Now with all of that being said, I think it might be time to go on to my little section. So we're going to be jumping into the booster Graham lounge.
Welcome to the value for value. Gram. Danna Oh, yeah, essential as always, and today we've we've only got one boostagram to read out. I do believe I had a couple of streams coming in as well which is really encouraging. I actually do say that because you know, not everyone wants to send in a message, which is totally fine. But here we have from the perennial Peter 2500 sets and using fountain and he says bowl after bowl, a podcast for the whole family, I think is spot on that this whole Bitcoin before the vifa. The thing is hard to break into for new users and super niche at the moment. But I fully predict that in 10 years from now, aside from being super rich, we'll look back on these early days with the fondest of memories. Now what's really cool with this one is man, he just banged on about like three different things that these guys did right there. So one, the visa thing V for V thing is hard to break into for new users. Well, the secular foxhole has got that fully fully down that in 10 years time, you know, once again, they were talking about the long term value there. And then also just the, I suppose for its super neatness, but also its applicability. One thing as well, which I didn't particularly mention in the next section is that Martin and Blair are obviously older gentleman, they're not, they're not my age being, you know, 30 years old, yet, they have still somehow managed to take all of the different steps despite all of the conditioning, the pain that it would cause for them. Like it's painful enough for me to use, use these things and learn about them. But when when you're getting to an older, older stage in life, you're still being having that, I suppose the intellectual curiosity. And not only just that, but also the practical knowledge of like, I need to actually use these things for them to make sense. I think that's really cool. And so, Peter, thank you very much for for highlighting that because it ties in really nicely with the couple of things that the secular foxhole are really doing well. And so I'll get into my own visa vie pitch now that we've reached the end of this episode. If you enjoy tuning in, if you want, your show may be highlighted if you think there's something that you guys are doing particularly well if you're a podcaster, because that's going to be most of the people who are joining into here. But also if you have just typed in value for value, because you've heard someone message it or talk about it or something like that, I would recommend that you take those couple of steps, you know, go as far as you can down, hell even check out this episode of the secular foxhole, which I mentioned briefly the the timestamp and which one it was.
And, you know, go to there and take those steps and see how far you go. And if you have trouble, the beautiful thing is that there's many different ways that you can reach out to people. So if you, for example wanted to reach out to, to myself, you can find me through the Mere Mortals podcast, there's a bunch of Link meremortalspodcast.com, bunch of links on that site to Instagram, Facebook, Discord, you can also message me on the memo does [email protected] If you wanted more information, all of these different methods, any way that you want a direct message or an interaction with a human, I'm more than happy to help help out. Because it is new, it is tough. It is also very exciting to try all of these things. But you you do require some some helping hands. And so whatever step you're stuck on, please just reach out to me and I'm more than willing to help out.
And of course, you know, support your favorite podcaster as well. So if you have heard of your favorite podcaster talking about value for value, you wanted to come on here, just to learn about it, I suggest go back to them and support them because this is you know what the whole thing is about, you know what life is about supporting your favorite people so that you don't have to live in a world where crappy incentives lead to people doing crappy things and talking about crappy stuff, advertising. So with all that being said, I really do want to thank you for for joining in reaching this end of the episode and until the next week, Kyrin out
Do all philosophical thoughts end up leading to the value for value way. Welcome, everyone to another episode of the value for value podcast. I'm your host, Kyrin, also the host of the mere mortals podcast. And the Mere Mortals book reviews as well. And in this podcast, we like to examine other podcasters who are using the value for value model, how they are particularly trying to enhance their shows using it, perhaps unique, tantalizing things that they're doing. And today, we have one for you called the secular foxhole. So I came across these guys, because they actually mentioned one of my shows, and in particular, the value for value episode I did with Dave Jones. And so I wanted to check them out and see what they've been up to. So it's two older gentleman by the name of Blair Showfield. And Martin Lindeskog, I believe Martin is Swedish. They started around mid 2020. And they've got about 50 episodes currently released, which are a mix of chats between themselves and then also interviews that they've done mostly with authors that I can tell. Now I'm going to jump onto their website here, and I'll let them somewhat explain how they what their podcast is about what they do. So I chose this name to dispute the myth that there are no atheists in foxholes, but also as a place to share ideas and defend free speech that CO hosts both advocate the separation of church and state but also economics and state in short, liberalism, individualism and capitalism. Now, why would such gentleman like this be interested in something like Bitcoin and value for value? Okay, it's pretty obvious how they've come to the value for value model. But with philosophical thoughts like this, you're sort of going to be dragged into this, this arena, I should say, which is, you know, it's almost like the technology that you use that as being embodied, will draw in the people who are interested in this. Now, they're also very keen, and Rand, I suppose like supporters, which I believe is the philosophy known as objectivism. So they've been studying this quite a lot they, from the couple of episodes that I tuned into, they were very keen into books such as The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.
Those are the two that I've personally read as well. But she had a whole bunch of different series. So that's the show in a nutshell, let's go on to how they implement value for value in their own show. So I'd say there's no section or pitch per se, it seems like they roll into it at random points in the episode as their general themes naturally lead into it. So for example, here is a clip that I've taken from episode, oh, they don't have the episode number. So it's the one called donations and podcasting 2.0, which was released on the 15th of April, but come again, to this value for value that think about it and say, what kind of value is this podcast, and then take an active choice, could I support them by like the donation button that will soon come to captivate in another way also, as it will be even simpler to donate direct. And then, of course, this what I'm looking into, but I know realistically will take time, it will take years, maybe five years, 10 years, when it will become commonplace, but to stream Satoshis. So but to start thinking about this, we will talk more and more about that, because we for selfish reason. But also for the listeners and fellow podcasters out there, because this is an important issue that will be have freedom of expression, and we could support indie podcasters and content creators.
So yeah, that's a pretty good aspect, I suppose of how they typically will, we'll talk about it. And so there's no pitch per se, you can tell there that he was somewhat right, bringing it off of the top of his head. What I do like is that he emphasized the long Outlook. So this isn't something that you should expect to see quick results on. I've been following the value for value model on the Mere Mortals, since pretty much roughly I heard about it. And that's been Jesus got to be over a year ago. And, you know, it's it's not instantaneous, even if you have a large audience, that they're not going to jump onto this because there's so many steps involved. Like you said, there's the, I suppose the onboarding of the Bitcoin of streaming Satoshis you know, you just say Satoshis and that's, that's enough to drive some people off. So I suppose one thing to keep in mind, especially if you're listening to this podcast is it's gonna take a long time, so don't don't be expecting, you know, quick results. Quick Fixes. This, I think, almost if you're using Bitcoin In itself, that's, you've got to have a longer time timeframe outlook, because if you're wanting the quick stuff, this is this isn't the place to be, I suppose. Now, here's another section, which I've taken from the episode of 17th of March, which says James Madison, new sandwich and value value, how you can support because we in not take for granted because we never do that, but the call to action. But we don't want to write anything on how to say, parent knows or on the forehead, or we don't want to beg guide error, we don't want to have any sacrifice. But if you see this as a value in one way or another, then you could act accordingly. And that could be for example, suggested to a friend to listen to our show, it could be that you follow our podcast, with our own standalone app, for example, that we are paying money for every month, it can be also that you join our new digital townhall and speaking up your mind or sharing some good stuff that we have, and everything of this is in the show notes. But I wanted to come back then a bit about value for value, because I think it's currently to the trader principle in action. So if so, I'm just gonna cut them off there and which is, you know, they've obviously thought about this a fair bit, because they're not just advocating one, one method, either of which is value for value, with the time talent and treasure, it's not just the Bitcoin or the streaming Satoshis. It's also all of these other things you mentioned, and what was really cool with what Martin was talking about just there was, it's very specific, you know, they've created their own application to be able to listen to the show, one, which I imagine has some additional benefits, there's a beautiful way to go about doing it there. They've talked about, you know, telling it to a friend, joining their community speaking up getting that additional sort of input going in. So there's, you know, one of the things with value for value is making it as easy as possible for your listener, because if you're asking, oh, hey, can you just send me a message on? You know, wherever you feel best, it's like, Geez, how does one go about that? Do you? You know, go to your email, how do you find the email? What should the email be titled? Will it go to junk or spam? Like, what's the chances of it getting through? So it's really cool that they take this look, and I have heard them previously on other episodes suggested finding special numbers that they can use for themselves, for example, they suggested one, which was 1905 to two, which was related to N Rand, I'm not exactly sure why that number, perhaps something to do with the release date of a book 1905 or something like that, potentially. But they're very clear on sharing leaving comments, and then it's not a charity, you know, they've, they've not just dip their toes into the value for value model, they've, they've researched it quite a fair bit, which I think is really cool. Now something unique that they've done, there's, well, there's one common theme, I suppose it's not super unique, because we I noticed this on the last episode with the bowl after bowl and how they would tie their theme in to the value for value, ie the theme of you know, if you're having a joint passed around, you share it, you do it with other people. And so that's a nice way of sharing the ball after ball podcast. Now, what they talked about just that was the trader principle, and I won't go into that into too depth, too much depth, but very similar. They they the people who are going to be attracted to their type of podcast, ie the free thinkers, sort of intellectuals interested in the separation of religion and state or money and state, they're going to be the type of people who know about the trader principle and then can go up value for value trader principle, those to mix and match somewhat, and I can understand the principle of what they're trying to do. And it's not just them, you know, having a money grab or something like that. No, there's there's deeper ideas behind this. So value for value isn't just some random thing that's been thrown out.
No, they've thought about it deeply. But here's a another clip, which I wanted to play, which was from the fifth of June episode, which was titled, funnily enough, the trader principle and value for value. And then I think it's also the fountain head and fountain app. So talking about that and ran there and then also the fountain app which listeners so this podcast should, should know very well being the app of Oscar Murray, who have had on the memorials podcast twice if you felt like doing that. Now this is around midway through the episode, and here's something unique that I've found that they do particularly well.
That's what I'm saying this is the wave of the future. So with very strong Action simple instructions step by step so that you download the app for free on from Apple App Store or Google Play Store. Or if you want to, in a way, get connected with me directly, you use the link video, including the show notes to fountain.fm, forward slash lyceum. And I think Robert, will get the kick off. So I've, you know, got that username Lyceum, yes. So if you go over our venue, download the app, and then you get connected with me directly, and you get like a profile page. So on that page, it's two clips from you know, we have been guest on a podcast. That's right. So these clips are there. And you write a short, you could write a short text about yourself also. So this is getting personalized. So I see where we could go, it's lots of things that you could do in the future. Yeah, but you could only I mean, use it and listen to it without any else thing. And then the next thing, then, you know, in order to get transactions of his Satoshis, you start out with adding funds to safe electronic wallet. And we recommend a wallet called Blue Wallet. So that's free download an app called Blue wallet, the color blue and wallet. And then you in order to get the Satoshis or fractions of Bitcoin, you are then have to use you know, fiat money, or credit card, charge it and then add some Satoshis and funds there when I used it. And depending on where you're located in the world, I used, could you pay with something called swish buddy? That's only in the I think in Scandinavian countries. And then I had to you by the amount of Satoshi for sweet as Swedish crowns. 350 about 340 $5. In your case, maybe it's less or more, I don't know. Because now so I'll cut them off there. And you can see that he's he's gone through the whole process. So if you're going from straight, no knowledge, what you need to do, okay, first thing, download the fountain app, find the secular foxhole podcast, and also his username. So then you know, okay, yeah, this is by Sam, this is Martin and blaze podcast, then how can you get funds to that? Well, here's a suggestion, try blue wallet.
Depending where you are in the world. He him being in Sweden, obviously. And so it's kind of unique because he had to use Swedish Chronos to do this. So how do you do it? If you're using Swedish krona ours and what was really cool about this is one, it was, it wasn't skipping over steps, which is something I do quite, quite often. And it's, you know, it's not like you need to do this for every single episode that you're doing. But it probably is nice, every now and then to go, okay. Maybe I've got some new listeners in here. Maybe they've heard about the value for value a couple of times now. But you know, they have no idea. It's almost like coming midway into a joke. And you're like, Okay, I can sort of see what's happening here. But maybe the the joke is only really impactful because you heard the first start the first the starting of the joke.
And that's what brings it round right to the end. If you listen to Dave Chappelle, he's amazing at doing this sort of thing. So I think that that process from start to finish his, you know, handholding basics, this is what you do. This is how you get this. And this is how you can end up sending it to us and not being super specific as well. Because there are going to be people in you know, outside of Sweden who don't have swish on there's going to be people outside of the of America who don't have cash app or whatever, those typical ones where you just automatically assume oh, okay, I use this I'll use that.
And that unfortunately, isn't isn't the same everywhere in the world. So you have to make do with that. So I thought I thought that was really cool that they they went through that particular area how you can go from start to finish and it continued on of okay, now once you have them, you send them over to the app. Once you're in the app, this is how you set your streaming amount and this is how you send a booster gram This is what a booster gram is etc, etc. So I thought that was really cool. Now with all of that being said, I think it might be time to go on to my little section. So we're going to be jumping into the booster Graham lounge.
Welcome to the value for value. Gram. Danna Oh, yeah, essential as always, and today we've we've only got one boostagram to read out. I do believe I had a couple of streams coming in as well which is really encouraging. I actually do say that because you know, not everyone wants to send in a message, which is totally fine. But here we have from the perennial Peter 2500 sets and using fountain and he says bowl after bowl, a podcast for the whole family, I think is spot on that this whole Bitcoin before the vifa. The thing is hard to break into for new users and super niche at the moment. But I fully predict that in 10 years from now, aside from being super rich, we'll look back on these early days with the fondest of memories. Now what's really cool with this one is man, he just banged on about like three different things that these guys did right there. So one, the visa thing V for V thing is hard to break into for new users. Well, the secular foxhole has got that fully fully down that in 10 years time, you know, once again, they were talking about the long term value there. And then also just the, I suppose for its super neatness, but also its applicability. One thing as well, which I didn't particularly mention in the next section is that Martin and Blair are obviously older gentleman, they're not, they're not my age being, you know, 30 years old, yet, they have still somehow managed to take all of the different steps despite all of the conditioning, the pain that it would cause for them. Like it's painful enough for me to use, use these things and learn about them. But when when you're getting to an older, older stage in life, you're still being having that, I suppose the intellectual curiosity. And not only just that, but also the practical knowledge of like, I need to actually use these things for them to make sense. I think that's really cool. And so, Peter, thank you very much for for highlighting that because it ties in really nicely with the couple of things that the secular foxhole are really doing well. And so I'll get into my own visa vie pitch now that we've reached the end of this episode. If you enjoy tuning in, if you want, your show may be highlighted if you think there's something that you guys are doing particularly well if you're a podcaster, because that's going to be most of the people who are joining into here. But also if you have just typed in value for value, because you've heard someone message it or talk about it or something like that, I would recommend that you take those couple of steps, you know, go as far as you can down, hell even check out this episode of the secular foxhole, which I mentioned briefly the the timestamp and which one it was.
And, you know, go to there and take those steps and see how far you go. And if you have trouble, the beautiful thing is that there's many different ways that you can reach out to people. So if you, for example wanted to reach out to, to myself, you can find me through the Mere Mortals podcast, there's a bunch of Link meremortalspodcast.com, bunch of links on that site to Instagram, Facebook, Discord, you can also message me on the memo does [email protected] If you wanted more information, all of these different methods, any way that you want a direct message or an interaction with a human, I'm more than happy to help help out. Because it is new, it is tough. It is also very exciting to try all of these things. But you you do require some some helping hands. And so whatever step you're stuck on, please just reach out to me and I'm more than willing to help out.
And of course, you know, support your favorite podcaster as well. So if you have heard of your favorite podcaster talking about value for value, you wanted to come on here, just to learn about it, I suggest go back to them and support them because this is you know what the whole thing is about, you know what life is about supporting your favorite people so that you don't have to live in a world where crappy incentives lead to people doing crappy things and talking about crappy stuff, advertising. So with all that being said, I really do want to thank you for for joining in reaching this end of the episode and until the next week, Kyrin out
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