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New ideas and written word in an audio format that you just wont find elsewhere.

In Ep #26 we are covering how Claudiu Chereji uses v4v on his show 'The Claudcast'. Claudiu reads out niche documents/books whilst also fleshing out his own ideas in monologue form. The unique aspect he brings is by highlighting how unique his own show actually is and why this is deserving of value from the niche group of people who are interested in this exact thing.


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New ideas and written word in an audio format   that you just won't find elsewhere.   Welcome everyone to another episode   of The Value of Value podcast.   My name is Kyrin   and host of this show, obviously,   but also of the Mere Mortals podcast   and Mere Mortals book reviews.   And this is the podcast where we dive   deep into the value for value model.   What is this new way of interacting in the,   let's call it Web3 sort of world,   if you want, where essentially getting away   from the standard advertising model.   So instead of making money from the indirectly   via people listening in and,   you know,   taking their data   and causing a lot of the   unhealthy practices that we see   in the current Internet and world,   the value for value model is essentially directly   asking your audience for value.  

So you produce value and then you ask your   audience to return that.   And there are many ways   of doing this,   and this is what we're   going to examine in another episode   where we're diving deep into a particular podcast   that runs the value for value model   and seeing how they think   do things, how   maybe they create some unique ways   of doing it, their value for value implementation   and what the show is about as well.   So today I have for you the Claudcast   This is by   a man by the name of I'm going to butcher   this name, a Claudio Shivaji,   although he is   definitely American, so probably don't need   to add that accent on.  

And from the bio   of his own podcast, it says, Got some ideas   and I'm reading some books and articles   that probably won't ever   get to be an audio form on other platforms.   So this is a show where he dives   into a couple of different things.   So I'll read out a couple of the   current podcasts that he has.   So he has ideas.   I had 001 The Pie   White Paper Pretty face an introduction.   He's got another ideas section, model, Barb   and modern Bible versions, the love of money,   and then talking a little bit about   my first full episode   and first boostagram , etc., etc..  

So he's got about 15 episodes at the moment   with these ranging in length,   depending on the topic.   So his ideas one, for example,   they're typically in the 10 to 20 minutes range.   Quite a few of them are based on this pie   white paper idea series that he has,   which typically around the five ish minutes long   and then a couple of the later   episodes have been a bit longer,   getting more than half an hour and an hour.   And essentially that is what it is.   So he's obviously interested   in this sort of crypto currency blockchain world.   So there's a bunch of excerpts here where he is   speaking directly from a the Pie white whitepaper.  

So this is where he's actually reading out   written word from a document   and then putting it into audio format.   The idea sections are more of a little bit more   about his life and particularly relating   to how you could perhaps use a form of,   you know, blockchain   or some sort of cryptocurrency   to incentivise your kids to do homework   or to do chores or things like this.   The this would be in the episode ideas.   I had number three chalkboard   and then there's other ones where he's   obviously reading out   different versions of the Bible, things like this.   So it's   sort of an eclectic mix   I guess of,   of different topics and episodes   that he's got going on there now.  

He actually messaged me   a boostagram on the last episode   asking for me to review his podcast.   And so here I am.   And so here I shall do it.   So let's   get into his value for value implementation.   Now this podcast has been around   for a super long time, I think less than a year.   If I go to the first   episode, it was produced on the   January of 2022, so about six months and   is obviously still trying   to find his own particular   method of of creating the podcast.   What it is that   he actually wants to do with it.   Totally understandable in the sort of,   I guess you'd call it growing pains   of starting a podcast,   but this is   typically how he will add to his value   for value   pitch   is it's a little bit different,   I guess, because he's got a   couple of things going on.  

One is he's reading out content directly from a,   a piece of paper   or from a computer or something like that.   So it's something   that's already   been written and he's reading it out   directly, putting it into audio format.   Now, this, I guess,   produces a challenge that it's not going to be   perhaps natural for him to   then add on something else to the end, i.e.   him talking about value for value,   which is kind of what you need to do.   You need to make your audience aware of it.   Otherwise, you know,   they just simply won't know about it.   So you need to make the   pitch of why this is here.  

So some of his episodes, I notice   he didn't have any sort of   value for value implementation at all   or any talking about it.   It was simply just his the episode.   But then I guess this is   where it's kind of cool where he can mix in   maybe on the more freeform ones   where he's talking about his ideas.   This is where it fits in a little bit more nicely.   So I'm going to play this little section here   and there's going to be   a few clips, a few different clips   from this podcast,   so bear with me as I'm switching through them.   But this is from the Love of Money   episode at around 15, around the 16 minute mark.  

Being that this podcast is value for value, though   no one can tell me to stop, no one can   threaten me to stop.   I don't think anyone would, but   you never know.   And no one can ever   take this down, which is just wonderful.   So having said all that, I follow the three TS   that are soon to be   recorded in the manifesto that will be written   by Adam Clark Curry on how to   live a truly value for value existence.   And that will be,   like I said, recorded by yours truly,   just like everything else that I record for   the general public   and will be recording for the general public,   I will put in audio form all of the   all of the things that would never be   recorded in audio form.  

I thought, you know what, tangent?   I thought, you know.   Okay, so he goes on a bit of a   tangent there,   but you can see there one of the things he does   is really highlight   what it is that he's doing that   you won't find elsewhere, i.e.   I'm going to create   audio form, so I'm going to read out   written words   that you probably are not going   to find anywhere else because   they're going to be small.   So he's not particularly going   after a super famous book and reading that out.   No, it's a lot more niche   and it's a lot more specific.   So one of the things that that's really cool,   I like that he does that, unfortunately.  

I suppose one of the critiques I would have of   this is that he then goes on to talk for   about another two and a half minutes   without getting directly into what is time, talent   and treasure the three TS   and how you can particularly support him.   So, you know, this is one of those ones   where it's kind of a mix, right?   You want to emphasise   what it is, the value that you're producing,   but then also   trying to emphasise as well   how other people can send that back to you.   And I suppose trying to find that,   that mix, that balance because   you know, in his case, for example,   you probably would want to   highlight right at the front, okay,   this is what I'm doing that's   kind of unique, that's different.  

And so,   you know, really   making that, I suppose visible,   transparent, bringing it right up to   the surface is definitely a good thing.   But, you know,   you do have to mix that in   with how people can get   back to you,   how they can give back to you   by the time and talent and treasure and whatnot.   Now, I'm going to jump on to another episode here.   So this is from his first full EP,   first full episode and first boostagram   around the 29 minutes, 47 seconds.   Mark But before before we round out the Value   for Value segment,   I want to talk about my very first boostagram   got my first one.  

Let's talk about the guy who gave it to me.   This name is   hard for me to pronounce because I'm not sure   if I'm going to pronounce it wrong.   It's spelled Petar could be Petar,   but it's Petar.   That's his handle right there.   So if I'm pronouncing it wrong, that sucks.   But you can   set it at a booster ground to tell me if I'm wrong.   But he donated 1222 SATs,   so that's actually   surprising to me that I got that.   But he donated on the 25th,   so this has been a while coming.   So this   I'm going to jump forward because once again,   he sort of delays a little bit.  

There's a little bit of   sort of 30 seconds or it's not super useful   not telling us exactly what needs to go.   So perhaps being a bit more short and snappy.   But obviously he's   got his first boostagram so he reads out   typically this is this is how people do it.   You read out   the person who sent it in, acknowledging who it is.   Everyone likes to hear their name   being produced on a on a on an episode like, wow,   like I made it in.   This is kind of cool, you know, really,   you know why people go to sports   matches and hold up signs that they can get   on the Jumbotron, you know, like,   what the hell is the point of that?  

Well, you know, it's kind of cool.   You like to see yourself up there   and it's sort of like bragging rights.   Well, look, look what I did   so that he does that correctly.   Reading out the amount is usually useful as well,   because sometimes there's   sort of numerology attached to it.   When you have a bit more of an audience,   you can sort of decipher it by,   okay, these are the people who are   sending the most back.   I it's sort of like a   it's a way of valuing the message.   They really want their message.   And so they've sent in this   this portion here, which is   higher than everyone else.  

I'm going to perhaps get to this first   because perhaps there is a   signal that can be used to   show that this is indeed more important.   Now, this is perhaps a section where   I would say   maybe this is not the way   you would read out your very first boostagram   That's come in.   I'd like to read his boostagram   He says, as someone who's been operating   power grids for 17 years, I hate to tell you,   you got all the things wrong here.   ERCOT and a Visser   are not equivalent type organisations.   Texas has plenty of coal plants which also fail.   Capacitors don't store power batteries   which are still largely Vapourware   can and do respond extremely quickly   to stabilise gen and load balance.  

I'm sorry, no know   he did not read it like that, I'll bet.   No, no he didn't.   He says okay, and then he goes on to read it and   in a more normal voice   now goddamn, that's a fucking risky behaviour.   Either I love it, I love it.   So look,   very ballsy way of reading out   your very first boostagram   Um, it's, it's,   this is,   I guess,   one of the challenges   with the internet,   of course, and written word is that it's   you don't get the context behind the   intonation and whatnot.   Thankfully for him, Peter,   who's a bloody legend too, and as you'll notice,   this name cropping up because he boosts a lot   of these types of shows and he is a cool guy   and so subsequently even sort of apologised   in the in the later Boostagram for,   for sending in something that could be misconstrued   as being arrogant or whatnot   when he was actually   just trying to say   like hey you got some information   wrong in your latest episode.  

And this is why I know because I work   in the energy sector, etc., etc., etc..   But there you go.   That's the way that   Claude, Claudio, Claude, you reads out   and does his value for value implementation.   I guess it's   I suppose you could   also put that in the unique section   which is coming up in a second.   So that's a really a uniquely very Yeah.   Variables the way of reading out   your first boostagram but he does go on to   sort of say it in a   in an in a normal manner and thank you Petar in   I suppose a more, more traditional way   but yeah getting on to some unique things.  

Look, the podcast itself   hasn't been around for a super long time   and unlike some of the previous episodes   which are more established like Bowl After Bowl   podcasting 2.0, or even I guess the   SLIEK podcast too,   that they've,   they've just dived in and you know,   they're creating   some really cool things related to levels   of support and merchandise and things like that.   This one I wouldn't say is as anything   particularly stand out,   but he did mention this in the episode.   It's my podcast   and I'll cry if I want to   around the 122 mark and I'll play this   and this will bring up an idea that I think   is kind of unique in a way and will help   to explain a little bit more about the value.  

I wanted to give Petar   his credit for his very first donation,   and it's crazy.   It still is crazy to me that I got a donation of   any sort because   I think I said this in my last in my last podcast,   I don't have or I didn't have.   Yes. I never had anyone speak to me on the topics   that I would put up.   And most of my topics were just   Bible studies.   But even then I set up an email,   I set up a website, I set up everything   I possibly could   to make this work out well to where   someone that may have had a grouse with me   would be able to speak about it.   Let me know what the issue was   and I would give them plenty of time of day,   even invite them on to a co recording   so they could tell me how wrong I was and why.  

But I never had anything.   And now, thanks to podcasting 2.0,   not only do I get interaction,   but I get paid for it.   It's wonderful.   Like, obviously it's nothing to write home   about currently   because it's my very first donation and it was,   I mean, converted with   current Bitcoin prices, it was like $0.39.   But that's not the point.   The point is someone valued   there, someone   valued the show well enough to value   their own   message to the show, enough to give me money.   Yeah.   So there's a couple of things   I want to examine from there.   First of all, you know,   that's a really cool way of   showing, I guess, your own appreciation, right?  

So he, he, he talks about how   he was having some difficulties,   some struggles, you know, trying to   gain some sort of audience or some traction   or even just the continual feeling.   I'll continually bring this up,   which is when you first   starting out and even can be   when you've been doing it for a long time,   it feels like nothing is happening.   And to a certain extent   it is because no one's listening.   It takes, it takes time,   it takes traction, it takes effort.   And one of the things that really takes is putting   yourself out there,   but not in the manner that you're thinking.  

And so   here's a little recent experience   that I've had in real life   that I think highlights this a bit.   So the other day   I was walking around in Southbank,   which is here in Brisbane, is sort of just an area   which gets a lot of foot traffic.   You know, that's it's right near the river.   There's connections to a couple of different   universities around the bridges.   So all sorts of good things.   And there was this guy who had set up   a set himself up at the base   of one of these bridges, and I was walking past   and he was essentially shouting   and he was just shouting   about all sorts of different things.  

It was kind of like a street preacher.   But he was also,   you know, talking about politics a little bit.   It was it was a little bit of everything.   And you look you could look at this guy and say,   okay, what's going on here?   You know, he's putting in so much effort.   He's taken the time to physically   locate himself to this place.   I believe he had some pamphlets of some sort.   He was putting energy   into his voice, into his actions.   And he was, you know,   speaking directly to   to people, but also to a general audience   at the same time.  

And you could go, you know,   why isn't this guy getting traction?   And the reason is because he was,   you know, a little bit crazy.   But it's   it was mostly   his method of communication   was the thing   he could have been spouting wisdom,   the universe   and I still would have walked straight past him   because he was   not doing it in a way that made me really think,   okay, he's thought not only long and hard   about the message itself, but also how to get   the message across.   And so this is the point where you need   to go to others to be honest.   And Claude, as Claudiu has somewhat   realised this in a way, one I guess you could say   is by going to podcasting to point out.  

So he's   found a   little bit of a community there is   he's found that okay, not only do I need to   to produce the podcast and put it out there,   but that's, that's not enough.   Like I need to be able to get people   interested in it,   or at least enough to check it out.   And then perhaps, you know, that   that check in, that checking it out,   give it a chance to   to do some value for value with that.   But I need to do that in a way that's   not just makes me feel like I'm doing something.   It's actually doing something.   And so   I've actually seen his his handle on a   bunch of different places.  

I've seen him Boostagramming   a bunch of different places.   And so it's sort of no surprise to me   that Petar has come across him   at some point, obviously, and,   and then decided to send a boost   agram in.   So once again, it's not just   with value for value it's it's not even   you could have,   you know, totally be on board   with the model value for value help.   Hell yeah, I don't want to do advertising.   I don't want to do paywalls.   This is the way I want to go.   Brilliant.   You know,   that's a very important   step of the process of understanding   the model itself and and perhaps how you can do it.  

You can then say, Perfect, I want to run this for,   you know, not even just a podcast.   This could be for music has, as   I covered recently on decentralised music   on the Mere Mortals podcast,   which has   been a couple of episodes I've done on that.   But you could also do it for help,   even like the way Claudio is doing it   with reading out written content,   which   perhaps you might say is, Oh,   this is more of an audio book   rather than a podcast.   You know, whatever gripe   you can,   you can make those distinctions,   but it's not enough to just produce it.   You have to be willing   to interact with other people   and perhaps   you might not do value for value with them   in the sense of directly, you know, paying satoshis   for someone.  

It's not like it's like,   hey, I'm going to pay you.   So no, now come check out my thing.   Now you can do this in a bunch of different ways.   You can go onto a mastodon account, you can   like I used to do, listen to people's podcast,   leave them   a review on Apple Podcasts,   and then tell them that you left that review   and do it in a nice way.   Not in a way saying like, Hey, come check out mine.   But you know, that's how I gained   a bit of traction when I was very first   getting into podcasting and before   I knew about well before even podcasting   2.0 existed.  

So this I guess is the, the something   unique section, which is he   brings up a really good point   there of it's, it's not just enough to do it.   You have to   you have to think about what it is you're doing.   You have to add a bit   that extra layer of thought onto it.   So make your content great as well.   But you know,   spending that little bit of extra time   and thinking about, okay, now   how can I get this in front of people   in a way that's not spammy,   that's not annoying,   that's not perhaps paying for it in a huge lump sum   way, and buying bots and buying followers   and things like that.  

No, it's you have to   you have to spend a bit of time.   You have to spend a bit of thought in that.   So that's the the final section   I wanted to bring up here from the cloud cast,   which I did enjoy tuning into today.   Actually, this is where I,   I spend a lot of my time and this morning   just examining   how he's doing it and what he's doing.   So let's go on to my own section of the Boosta   gram Lounge   and see what people have been sending in to me.   Welcome to the Value for Value.   Boostagram Lounge.   Yes, yes, yes.   So we are into the Boosta   gram Lounge now,   and I've got a couple of here to read out,   which is very exciting.  

As always, I do enjoy   getting into these   sort of topics and seeing what people,   their response to my own podcast.   So the very first one here is from Brando Sellers,   and he sends this using Fountain 31,250 god dayum.   Thank you, my friend.   Very cool.   So you will recognise that name.   It's because I had I reviewed his show on the   previous episode of the Value   for Value podcast   and he says, I'm pretty sure   I stole the leaderboard from you lol.   Thanks for featuring us on this episode.   So yeah, this is one of   the funny things where it's, you know,   I didn't even realise I had an influence on him,   so he had obviously tuned into a live stream   that I was doing at some point where   myself and one and this is on the Mere   Mortals   podcast had been sort of using some of the data   in a not   particularly aesthetic way,   but going through some of the data   and really   highlighting like, Oh, these are   the people have been supporting us the most   and it had a leaderboard   format, but not in a not in   a visually appealing way.  

So they took that idea, ran with it,   and then I really stole that idea back from me,   which is kind of cool. I love that.   I love this sort of stuff. So thank you very much.   Brando Sellers.   And yes, for everyone   wondering, he is the owner of the Strangest Life   I've Ever Known Podcast, The Sliek podcast.   Go check it out.   The infamous Petar strikes again   with the 2084 SATs,   and he says victory will be mine.   Oh, yes.   And so that is in reference   to the leaderboard where I took   command of the leadership.   I can now tell you that I am no   longer the Lizard King, which   pains me to say, but, you know,   I felt like   I always enjoyed quoting   that Simpsons quote where Lisa’s on meds   note, she's taken a bunch of random   meds at a theme park and has a towel on her,   shivering and goes, I am the lizard queen.  

So yes, I am.   If I'm not the Lizard King,   perhaps I can be the Lizard queen.   Petar, I hope you have a nice comfy bed for me.   And then this is honestly   one of the most exciting ones.   So this is from a very new person   who's goes under the handle of blogging.   Bitcoin once again sent using Fountain 938 sets   and he says, Dude,   this is the most interesting way   of selling t shirts I've ever heard.   Great podcast.   Hey, thank you very much. Mr. Blogging Bitcoin.   I'm going to go check out that   handle afterwards   and see what it is that they actually do.   I imagine   they blog about bitcoin, which is   a very exciting thing   and yes, once again, like these,   you know, the show starting to pick up.  

I really love it.   I think that Brando Boost   was the biggest one I've had so far as well.   So, man, a bloody legend.   Thank you so much for that in terms of just a   boosting amount.   So I was reading them   out, by the way, just in terms of   when they actually came in, rather   than ordering them by amounts,   there was only three.   So, you know, it's not a   the biggest deal   for me to to read them in a particular order.   But if I start getting a bit more,   you know,   I probably will   make the extra effort to sort them by   amounts coming in.   So with that being said,   we've come to the end of the   the Value for Value podcast   and I just really want to thank everyone for,   for tuning into to this far.  

You know it's, it's,   it's a little bit of a journey   getting into this, spending the time   and effort researching but it's it is a lot of fun.   So my value for value   request today would be to do exactly   what I've been doing and what obviously   Petar's been doing.   And to a certain extent what Claudiu   has been doing, which is to   to get out there and not only listen to   perhaps a podcast,   which you've never listened to before,   maybe something a bit niche,   maybe it's just starting up.   Someone who would really appreciate definitely the   the interaction and getting something   for the very first time.  

You could hear the   excitement in his voice where he   he got as his very first boostagram and,   you know, sending some value to them,   whether it be critical,   whether it be a good thing,   whether it be a bad thing,   even just any sort of feedback   is always appreciated by those small people.   And I'd know that because I've been there,   I've been there many a time   and it really is a wonderful thing   to be able to brighten someone's day like that.   So that's, that's my request for today.   You go out there, send some value   to someone who's deserving of it   and until the next time this is Kyrin   and the Value for value podcast, check it out.