Want to know which podcasts are doing V4V?
In Ep #16 I will be going over some podcasts that I believe are doing a good job of showcasing value for value. I of course plug my own and Adam Curry’s but also highlight some others which include (and is not exhaustive off all there are): AbleKraft, Podland News and other No Agenda podcast spinoffs. I also explain some strategic decision on why I will be spending my time on some podcasting aspects and not on others.
Big thanks to Oscar Merry & Nullifier. Your support keeps the show ticking over.
Timeline:
(0:00) - Intro
(1:13) - My Podcasts
(4:36) - Adam Currys Podcasts
(8:06) - Ablekraft
(9:35) - Podland (now Podnews Weekly Review)
(10:53) - The Intergalactic Boombox
(13:48) - Boostagram Lounge
(23:30) - Send a boost
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In Ep #16 I will be going over some podcasts that I believe are doing a good job of showcasing value for value. I of course plug my own and Adam Curry’s but also highlight some others which include (and is not exhaustive off all there are): AbleKraft, Podland News and other No Agenda podcast spinoffs. I also explain some strategic decision on why I will be spending my time on some podcasting aspects and not on others.
Big thanks to Oscar Merry & Nullifier. Your support keeps the show ticking over.
Timeline:
(0:00) - Intro
(1:13) - My Podcasts
(4:36) - Adam Currys Podcasts
(8:06) - Ablekraft
(9:35) - Podland (now Podnews Weekly Review)
(10:53) - The Intergalactic Boombox
(13:48) - Boostagram Lounge
(23:30) - Send a boost
Value 4 Value Support:
Boostagram: https://www.meremortalspodcast.com/support
Paypal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/meremortalspodcast
Connect With Kyrin/Mere Mortals:
Website: https://www.meremortalspodcast.com/
Discord: https://discord.gg/jjfq9eGReU
Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/meremortalspods
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/meremortalspodcasts/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@meremortalspodcasts
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Well, well, well welcome everyone to another episode of the value for value Podcast, the podcast that examines the value for value model, a test for myself to see if I can create an improve the value for value method and understand it better for myself, as well as explore, identify cool things and give them to you in a digestible format. So here we are, we're up to episode 16. And I'm calling this some V for V podcast recommendations. And the basic intro for this is that I didn't have particularly a topic for this week, there was no podcasting 2.0 episode this week, so you won't be able to hear any of my news or Roundup from that. But I did receive a boostagram recently. And I did also have a chat with Oscar Merry from Episode 59 fame and podcasting 2.0. And so for those who don't know, Oscar is the creator of the fountain FM. And he sent into Brewster gram, which I'll read out later, but it got me thinking, you know, what, I'm not the only value for value podcaster out there. So I should give some recommendations for those who are interested in exploring what's the value for value is and how other people are doing that. So let's jump right into it. I'd be remiss if I didn't include my own couple of podcasts in here. So obviously, this one, but my main two channels are the Mere Mortals and Mere Mortals, book reviews.
Now I do those slightly differently. And there's a couple of things I actually do need to address with them. So one, I guess is that I do have the main feedback mechanism I use send in a boostagram and I will read it out on the show. The problem with that is there is a bit of a time lag because the way that I have been podcasting for the longest time is via just doing it in advance, usually about a week, five to seven days is preferably how I do it. Because this gives me time to edit the audio, which doesn't take very long, I could really do that in a couple of minutes. Really, it doesn't take long for that. The longer time period is the video editing, as I do record pretty much everything and then I put that up on YouTube. And then I also take clips, and I put those up on different other places a little bit more decentralized and not there. But you know, YouTube's the place where it's at at the moment. And I guess the main thing for that is when there is a time lag, it sort of hurts the value for value feedback mechanism, I have someone sending me something.
And if they send it to me on a Sunday afternoon, just after I've recorded, not only will they have to wait, wait a week, until I record next and then can talk about it, they then have to wait another five days. So it can be 12 days from them sending their message if it's if we're unlucky, until me reading it out. Now the other best alternative is they send it just before the podcast episode. But even then that's still a five day time lag. So you'll notice then that that can be a little bit strange, because you're sending something in, and you're not receiving it in that same week. And I think there's something rather important and being able to do it during that same week. Now, for me, I guess that would mean that I'd maybe need to include a Live episode somehow. So that, you know, if someone sends something in directly after the live episode, hey, that's totally fine. It'll be read out and the next live episode The following week. And then if they've sending it just before, well, obviously, they'll get that message within a couple of minutes. So that for me is the main difference between those two. And I do that on the memo does book reviews as well, that's got an even longer time period, because I'm somewhat optimizing for the video at the moment, they're not so much the audio. And this will then mean I'm not really going to be reading out boostagrams at the end of a book review, I've sort of been saving that for my end of month recap. And then obviously, well, you're gonna have to wait potentially a full month until I read out your boostagram. So in essence, that is just a particular aspect of the value for value that I'm creating and the model I'm working with at the moment. And you know, I'm very, very new to this what are we at 16 So I've done 16 weeks, I guess of of implementing the value for value model method and I probably need 16 years until I'm able to get it good. So let's get give me a little bit of a break people but that's one recommendation there to check out my own episodes and see those. Another is obviously Adam curry. So he's the one where I got the value for value name from the model the method the one who I'm really exploring and trying to to figure out I'm actually having him on the podcast chatting with him in hopefully two days time three days time. If If all goes well with the internet and technology and things like that, and I'm really going to dive into the creation of it the philosophy of But his thoughts on particular aspects like I'm gonna go as deep as I can with him. So I'm sure you'll be hearing about that shortly and some some more episodes coming up. But I can say, you know, it originated with him on the no agenda show. And so that's one he's been doing, I believe it's 14 years, maybe 15 years now. And don't don't quote me on that. And he's taken a long, long time. So that 16 years I was talking about, well, he is, you know, put in those 16 years, pretty much. So he's got a good chance of, you know, obviously, if you go to that show now, it'll be super polished. So whatever the latest no agenda or episode is, I would recommend that they have something different as well, because I've been exploring visa vie mostly in terms of the Bitcoin and currency and sending through micro payments and things like that. Now, they obviously have not been doing that because Bitcoin hasn't even existed for that long. So they have been using PayPal donations and donations directly through their website, I believe, things like that. So they would have a bit of a split model at the moment, and probably even more split towards the PayPal donation. So obviously, that would require some different things. They'd be directing people to different places, they wouldn't be having the micro payments coming in, which adds a different factor. They actually do, but they're not emphasizing that, I believe, don't quote me on that as well, because I only tuned in to new agenda and no agenda every now and then it's not it's not my go to podcast Have you listened to this every single week, it's more of a check in see what they're doing sort of thing. His other two shows are more facts with with Adam curry. And that one is a little bit rough on the edges, you can see he's implementing some of what he has been doing with, with no agenda there. But such things as boostagrams he didn't even have that set up.
I sent one through the other week and confirmed with Adam that it didn't come through, because he didn't have been set up. I believe he does now. But you can see that they're still experimenting things with things there. He's got a co host who has not been doing this for years and years and years. So they're, they're doing well. But it's it's very much the same, I guess as as you would see on no agenda, he probably uses a very similar spiel, and they would recommend people to do the same things. But once again, they don't have the huge audience that no agenda does. And they don't also have the tiered system of nights and knighthoods and all those extra benefits that the no agenda show has. So that differences, you'll see their podcasting 2.0 needs no explanation, that's probably my go to place. And someone if I'd say if you want to understand the value for value, model method, everything about it, just go to podcasts and 2.0 because they will explaining, you know, hugely, and then they will also really dive down into how you should do it with the mix between the PayPal donations, and they're really actually pushing more towards asking people to do it via lightning and via Bitcoin and whatnot. Another interesting one is Abel crafts. So this is from two people who are part of the no agenda crew, and the fandom I guess. And their names are able Kirby and so Spencer, and they have their own separate shows as well, which I'll talk about shortly. But APR craft is pretty unique, because it's still in that aspect of music. So they're not particularly asking people for donations, per se, they appreciate it, they've started to read out boostagrams and things like that. But they're really trying to focus on creating an album and then releasing that album via the podcasting 2.0 method of putting it on there with chapters sorry, they will be doing separate episodes, but I mentioned there'll be doing chapter art, they'll be doing value for value splits between them. And people who have helped create the album they'll be doing all sorts of things like that. So an interesting show if you want to know more about the music aspect and how that might change the world and how hopefully the Spotify and royalty method will get a bit broken and and you'll be able to send the money directly to the person creating the art and then also the people behind the scenes the dude who fixed it fixed up the audios the guy I don't know banging the tambourine in the background, stuff like that. So that is a good show to tune into if you're interested in the music aspect. Another is Portland news. So this is with James Quinlan. I had him on the memorials he's a fellow Brisbane night so a little bit of of love there. And that's a show where I guess you can see someone implementing it for the first time so it's not the most polished he has a lot of time podcasting so he knows what he's doing in terms of creating a good show and whatnot but implementing the the value The value is still rather rudimentary, they're just doing it via boostagrams. They're not particularly looking to expand that, I would say they're not particularly looking to do extra work or extra little tidbits and things to add on to to appeal people to bring more people in to get more of that community engagement and feedback there. That's more of a, you know, a show sort of centering around podcasting.
2.0, much like this is in a, in a way, but they they're doing other things as well. So it's interesting, watching James and seeing how he's doing things and doesn't have the showmanship, I've had him I would say, but still a very solid effort to see how someone might introduced, you know, podcasting 2.0 and value for value and mixing that into their own podcast. The last ones, I just wanted to say, a big mismatch. So I've been listening to a lot of, of shows, that's one thing that I like to do, and I'll even bring it up here. If one day in the future, maybe you'll be able to see all of the comments that I've I've left or ratings and reviews on on individual podcasts on pod friend because I actually find it really useful there. But there's a bunch of shows there. So I would say podcast idiot by Kevin Bay. I know he does that I believe from the jump. So that's open. You'll recognize a bunch of these names. If you've listened to podcasting 2.0 There is the meet us pod, which is by D meet us I think he does. No, sorry. He just has that setup.
There's someone whose name I'm forgetting. And this is really Fun Fact Friday, I believe they do that as well, where they will introduce the aspect of hey, here's a boostagram, can you please support the show? And then obviously, there's the The 2000 shows, Salonomics, there's another one bowl after bowl. There's a bunch of people who come from the no agenda world. So phone boy speaks, there's someone from Brian of London, who's been on podcasting. 2.0 He's more in the hive world, but he still has that hooked up. Ai cooking, that is with comic strip, comic strip blogger. He also reads out some Bucha grams does some stuff. So SDS podcast, that's Spanish one spoken in the Spanish language he is from, I believe it's from Ecuador, but living in Dominica, Dominican Republic, Robert Suzuki, I've talked about him before on here. So there's a whole bunch of people, I guess, doing the value for value and, and introducing it in their own ways. Some people, it's just, hey, here's the, my lightning node, send streaming payments through, please do that. And they won't go the extra effort of creating that feedback loop, I guess, with the community and adding in those elements. So you can see it's a sliding scale as well. It's not just this is the way to do it. And you have to include elements from the audience, you have to use clips that they've sent you and you have to say out their name, you have to like no, you don't have to do anything. The value for value model is, is a more suggestive and it's, it's more flexible, I think you can do what you want with it. So if you want to put in minimal effort, if you want to put all your effort into creating the show and making that, you know, super streamlined and whatnot and then it's just there in the background. You don't even have to tell people they will maybe find it for themselves and then voluntarily do that. There's all sorts of ways of doing it. So that's just some of my podcast recommendations that I can say for you and say hey, give these a try. You might find something of note here. Well, we've now come to the favorite section for me to do which is the boosta Gram lounge and we've had quite a few people putting some stuff in so play music Kyrin.
Welcome to the value for value Boostagram lounge. Smooth as always, well, here's our first one coming through and obviously my work in Episode 15. The value of tough love is paid off because I received a couple from the person I was calling out directly so from Oscar Merry, he said thanks for the fountain shout out fascinating to hear the difference between longtail growth on YouTube and podcast. Yeah, it is. Pretty interesting. Oscar fountain is live on iOS App Store btw and that was tu tu tu tu tu tu tu tu sats sent using fountain. Thank you Oscar. This could ducks. I guess it looks like ducks. I would have said more like swans row of swans Anywho.
Thank you Oscar and yes, on iOS app as well. I don't have that so I was unsure of that. So thank you for sending that in. that is very useful to know. The next one also from Oscar is boosting because you asked me yes, that is value for value and action right there. One thing I would love to see in this pod is clips of different podcasters asking people to support via value for value, and also thanking people for booths. I think it would be really interesting to hear the different approaches slash styles. Once again, tu tu, tu tu sent using fountain? Yes, Oscar, that would be something fantastic that I could do. Will I do it, though, is another question that's a hit. And that's a harder one to answer.
Because that obviously would require more effort on my part of creating clips, putting them in and whatnot, I'm actually leaning more personally towards the side of doing things live doing them as messy as possible, you might even have noticed that the first, probably six or seven episodes were a lot tighter and cleaner. These ones I'm a bit more rambley. And hence, you've probably also noticed the, the track length of these episodes going up. So I'm just not super sure if that's a route I want to go down. I watched the way Adam operates and the amount of clips and things that he does. And it's absolutely fantastic. I love how much effort he's putting in. And it really shows that he's created this amazing audience and whatnot. The thing with that is you have to get very technical, so I'd probably have to start losing using more technology, I'd have to start learning more things. And whilst I'm not averse to that, I'm not sure I will have the motivation to particularly go down that route as deep as he has. And I, I'll explain maybe a bit more of that in the ending in my little podcast pro tip and recommendations, because I think that'll shed some light on my thoughts of why I might not be doing that. I have done it in previous episodes. Will I do it? I'm not so sure. But I did steal your idea there and said, You know what, I can do some podcasting recommendations. So people can search for themselves. If they want, they can go and find out and see what is the gos. Another one here is from someone new. So very intriguing. Fun, fascinating. Right here. This is from Nullifier. And they said Great message positivity multiplies itself. And that was 500 SATs, sent using pod friend and now sorry, sent using fountain and the cool thing with this was he had a couple of messages coming through another one was removing the middleman increases mutual integrity, another 500 Set sets using a fountain fountain Yes. And then this is what I want to see most from visa vie musicians getting direct support 1500 sets and using fountain. Now the funny thing was that when all of these came in, I was a bit unsure of what to make of it because some of them were sent in in random places. And I was like, oh geez, where did this come from? I'm not 100%? Sure.
Why should I do this another one here, kids who grew up receiving their allowance via ln will not have that problem. And I was thinking like, oh, geez, I have no idea where this is coming from. But the cool thing is, and this is where you can see my effort coming through is that I downloaded the CVV CVC or xls. What was it from from the Satoshi stream xls. X file, so an Excel file from Satoshi stream. And they had this huge amount of tabs in there. They have all these crazy things. But I was able to see where exactly these boosts were coming from and what episodes in particular, which helped very much. So let me go over these again. So the first one from Oscar boosting because you asked me that was from the value of tough love. So the last one obviously I didn't need to put that one so much giving value a case study. So that was the great message.
Great message positivity multiplies itself. So that was one of the early episodes. I believe that was episode number three, I believe. Yep. Episode number three. So yes, positivity there. Thank you very much Nullifier, the removing the middleman that was from the what value for value isn't. So that was where I was talking about how Patreon and all of these sorts of things aren't particularly value for value because there is that middleman in the middle and that's, you know, siphoning off. I think that steals away some of the value in it. The other one, this is what I want to see most from visa vie musicians getting direct support that was resting on your laurels. So that was not too long ago. That was on episode 13. And this was where I was talking about incentives.
This is where I was talking about. Let me go into here was the last song rushed out. Did you do all the research, passive income, things like that? And so this was, I guess, I probably talked enough about in there about how musicians could use this in a completely different way to what they're feeling now. And so the last one was the message about, let me bring it up Ding, dong, ding, ding, ding, he was saying, this is what I want to see most from visa vie musicians getting direct support. And this was on episode 14 value for value is going worldwide. This is where it's kind of hard, and you can still get a little bit lost. So I know I've talked plenty about musicians and then getting direct support. And so obviously, I might have mentioned something in this episode. But this, the timestamp from this was at nine minutes 40. And when I went to that episode, and was looking at it, I wasn't particularly talking about musicians there, I was talking just in general about observations on the podcasting index stuff going worldwide, how it can be different from for women, and for, you know, Australians being generous and things like that. So it wasn't super connected.
And this is where it might be interesting to know, where is that timestamp coming from? Is it coming from when the boost is actually sent? Or is it coming from when the person hits the boost button to write a message, because I know it will take me a minute or two minutes, maybe or maybe even longer to actually write the message, I'm actually going to write that down and put that in the podcasting index social to find that out. But in any case, I really do appreciate that Nullifier that makes my my heart warm, that you've sent through all of all of these nice messages, it really is a fun, try here of of, of the value for value. And, you know, if new people are coming in, and it's, it's beautiful, man, it's really beautiful, I really do appreciate it. So those were the messages. Once again, if I ever miss one, please, please let me know. And I will refund it, I'll go back or put in the effort or put in the work and I will repay you back, I'll send some Satoshis back your way for the the mistake I have made because I know how much it matters to do not have those things go into the void. And this is maybe just a last pro tip here. And before I get on to what I was highlighting before or hinted at before, if you're a podcaster, and you're saying that you're doing value for value, and that you will read out the show, the messages that come in, I think there is a burden that is placed upon you there are responsibility perhaps is better word, because there's nothing worse than you being as a listener sending in through a message and it just not coming through and not receiving that acknowledged acknowledgement that the other person has received it, it's happened plenty of times, to me, I really dislike it, a lot of those shows that I talked about, you know, some of them do do that. And that there's a reason why I'm not really tuning into their shows anymore. It's because you miss that message that that thing goes hidden that that attempt to connect goes goes lost and it sucks, you know, almost feels like getting rejected in a way. So that's just one thing I would recommend if you're interested in this model, hey, put the time and effort in, go back through and try and find out when they sent through that message, try and decipher it, try and put the effort in because I think your audience will appreciate it. The last thing I was going to talk about was, I am actually asking now for your support, because I have now started paying for this podcast. So I'm on Buzzsprout.
And I really did want to try and make this as self hosting to put in the effort time work to to figure that all out. And I've just been noticing these past couple of months, I'm not making the time not making the effort. And I think that's because I just don't care that much about self hosting. There's a reason why I've never particularly gone down this route before learning about podcasting 2.0 It's just the the technical side of that the coding that's required the knowledge and skills that you would have to continuously update to get to that level. I think that's just where I'm like, Yeah, I'd rather pay this off in a in another way. My my skills aren't particularly related to that my skills are related to elsewhere. So would I rather create a better show by putting in all of these clips and putting the time and effort energy that's required to creating all those and doing that? Or would I rather you know, not do that and then potentially use that time in other ways that can benefit the show more. I maybe I can read more books. Maybe I couldn't listen to more of Adam's podcasts and really dive deeper. Maybe I could, you know, do more podcast episodes with other podcasters who are doing this get more of their thought to have more chats with Oscar Mary and other developers who are doing things? I would say for me, that's probably where the money is. That's, and this is a subjective thing on my part. Is it better to create the show, you know, more technical, with things like that with more feedback with more interactive elements? Or is it better for me to improve it by a different ways? You know, that's my call.
And I'll have to live with that, whether that is the correct call or not. But that I think does explain part of, of what's going on here and why I might not do some recommendations that you suggest and things like that. The other one is that I'm going to try and really trying to be laying on the value for value from now on, because now, there were some costs associated with this before it was just time. But now there's a, you know, not super huge, it's a probably be about 16 Australian dollars per month. But if possible, so that's, that's four episodes. So that's about $4 An episode, I'd be trying to recoup about $4 An episode. So that is going to be my goal from now on, to try and get to a minimum as a sustainable level for this podcast. And so you'll be noticing that in the upcoming episodes, I'm probably going to be laying on the value for value Schpeel even harder than I had before. What can I say right now? Hey, send me in a boosta gram stream Satoshis. To me, I really do appreciate it and it will help this show continue on with the increasing cost of life. Oh my god. And yeah, that's it for today. Thanks for listening to this end of a rather long one. But there was a lot of recommendations I wanted to go over. And I really do hope you're having a fantastic time wherever you are in the world. Kyrin out.
Well, well, well welcome everyone to another episode of the value for value Podcast, the podcast that examines the value for value model, a test for myself to see if I can create an improve the value for value method and understand it better for myself, as well as explore, identify cool things and give them to you in a digestible format. So here we are, we're up to episode 16. And I'm calling this some V for V podcast recommendations. And the basic intro for this is that I didn't have particularly a topic for this week, there was no podcasting 2.0 episode this week, so you won't be able to hear any of my news or Roundup from that. But I did receive a boostagram recently. And I did also have a chat with Oscar Merry from Episode 59 fame and podcasting 2.0. And so for those who don't know, Oscar is the creator of the fountain FM. And he sent into Brewster gram, which I'll read out later, but it got me thinking, you know, what, I'm not the only value for value podcaster out there. So I should give some recommendations for those who are interested in exploring what's the value for value is and how other people are doing that. So let's jump right into it. I'd be remiss if I didn't include my own couple of podcasts in here. So obviously, this one, but my main two channels are the Mere Mortals and Mere Mortals, book reviews.
Now I do those slightly differently. And there's a couple of things I actually do need to address with them. So one, I guess is that I do have the main feedback mechanism I use send in a boostagram and I will read it out on the show. The problem with that is there is a bit of a time lag because the way that I have been podcasting for the longest time is via just doing it in advance, usually about a week, five to seven days is preferably how I do it. Because this gives me time to edit the audio, which doesn't take very long, I could really do that in a couple of minutes. Really, it doesn't take long for that. The longer time period is the video editing, as I do record pretty much everything and then I put that up on YouTube. And then I also take clips, and I put those up on different other places a little bit more decentralized and not there. But you know, YouTube's the place where it's at at the moment. And I guess the main thing for that is when there is a time lag, it sort of hurts the value for value feedback mechanism, I have someone sending me something.
And if they send it to me on a Sunday afternoon, just after I've recorded, not only will they have to wait, wait a week, until I record next and then can talk about it, they then have to wait another five days. So it can be 12 days from them sending their message if it's if we're unlucky, until me reading it out. Now the other best alternative is they send it just before the podcast episode. But even then that's still a five day time lag. So you'll notice then that that can be a little bit strange, because you're sending something in, and you're not receiving it in that same week. And I think there's something rather important and being able to do it during that same week. Now, for me, I guess that would mean that I'd maybe need to include a Live episode somehow. So that, you know, if someone sends something in directly after the live episode, hey, that's totally fine. It'll be read out and the next live episode The following week. And then if they've sending it just before, well, obviously, they'll get that message within a couple of minutes. So that for me is the main difference between those two. And I do that on the memo does book reviews as well, that's got an even longer time period, because I'm somewhat optimizing for the video at the moment, they're not so much the audio. And this will then mean I'm not really going to be reading out boostagrams at the end of a book review, I've sort of been saving that for my end of month recap. And then obviously, well, you're gonna have to wait potentially a full month until I read out your boostagram. So in essence, that is just a particular aspect of the value for value that I'm creating and the model I'm working with at the moment. And you know, I'm very, very new to this what are we at 16 So I've done 16 weeks, I guess of of implementing the value for value model method and I probably need 16 years until I'm able to get it good. So let's get give me a little bit of a break people but that's one recommendation there to check out my own episodes and see those. Another is obviously Adam curry. So he's the one where I got the value for value name from the model the method the one who I'm really exploring and trying to to figure out I'm actually having him on the podcast chatting with him in hopefully two days time three days time. If If all goes well with the internet and technology and things like that, and I'm really going to dive into the creation of it the philosophy of But his thoughts on particular aspects like I'm gonna go as deep as I can with him. So I'm sure you'll be hearing about that shortly and some some more episodes coming up. But I can say, you know, it originated with him on the no agenda show. And so that's one he's been doing, I believe it's 14 years, maybe 15 years now. And don't don't quote me on that. And he's taken a long, long time. So that 16 years I was talking about, well, he is, you know, put in those 16 years, pretty much. So he's got a good chance of, you know, obviously, if you go to that show now, it'll be super polished. So whatever the latest no agenda or episode is, I would recommend that they have something different as well, because I've been exploring visa vie mostly in terms of the Bitcoin and currency and sending through micro payments and things like that. Now, they obviously have not been doing that because Bitcoin hasn't even existed for that long. So they have been using PayPal donations and donations directly through their website, I believe, things like that. So they would have a bit of a split model at the moment, and probably even more split towards the PayPal donation. So obviously, that would require some different things. They'd be directing people to different places, they wouldn't be having the micro payments coming in, which adds a different factor. They actually do, but they're not emphasizing that, I believe, don't quote me on that as well, because I only tuned in to new agenda and no agenda every now and then it's not it's not my go to podcast Have you listened to this every single week, it's more of a check in see what they're doing sort of thing. His other two shows are more facts with with Adam curry. And that one is a little bit rough on the edges, you can see he's implementing some of what he has been doing with, with no agenda there. But such things as boostagrams he didn't even have that set up.
I sent one through the other week and confirmed with Adam that it didn't come through, because he didn't have been set up. I believe he does now. But you can see that they're still experimenting things with things there. He's got a co host who has not been doing this for years and years and years. So they're, they're doing well. But it's it's very much the same, I guess as as you would see on no agenda, he probably uses a very similar spiel, and they would recommend people to do the same things. But once again, they don't have the huge audience that no agenda does. And they don't also have the tiered system of nights and knighthoods and all those extra benefits that the no agenda show has. So that differences, you'll see their podcasting 2.0 needs no explanation, that's probably my go to place. And someone if I'd say if you want to understand the value for value, model method, everything about it, just go to podcasts and 2.0 because they will explaining, you know, hugely, and then they will also really dive down into how you should do it with the mix between the PayPal donations, and they're really actually pushing more towards asking people to do it via lightning and via Bitcoin and whatnot. Another interesting one is Abel crafts. So this is from two people who are part of the no agenda crew, and the fandom I guess. And their names are able Kirby and so Spencer, and they have their own separate shows as well, which I'll talk about shortly. But APR craft is pretty unique, because it's still in that aspect of music. So they're not particularly asking people for donations, per se, they appreciate it, they've started to read out boostagrams and things like that. But they're really trying to focus on creating an album and then releasing that album via the podcasting 2.0 method of putting it on there with chapters sorry, they will be doing separate episodes, but I mentioned there'll be doing chapter art, they'll be doing value for value splits between them. And people who have helped create the album they'll be doing all sorts of things like that. So an interesting show if you want to know more about the music aspect and how that might change the world and how hopefully the Spotify and royalty method will get a bit broken and and you'll be able to send the money directly to the person creating the art and then also the people behind the scenes the dude who fixed it fixed up the audios the guy I don't know banging the tambourine in the background, stuff like that. So that is a good show to tune into if you're interested in the music aspect. Another is Portland news. So this is with James Quinlan. I had him on the memorials he's a fellow Brisbane night so a little bit of of love there. And that's a show where I guess you can see someone implementing it for the first time so it's not the most polished he has a lot of time podcasting so he knows what he's doing in terms of creating a good show and whatnot but implementing the the value The value is still rather rudimentary, they're just doing it via boostagrams. They're not particularly looking to expand that, I would say they're not particularly looking to do extra work or extra little tidbits and things to add on to to appeal people to bring more people in to get more of that community engagement and feedback there. That's more of a, you know, a show sort of centering around podcasting.
2.0, much like this is in a, in a way, but they they're doing other things as well. So it's interesting, watching James and seeing how he's doing things and doesn't have the showmanship, I've had him I would say, but still a very solid effort to see how someone might introduced, you know, podcasting 2.0 and value for value and mixing that into their own podcast. The last ones, I just wanted to say, a big mismatch. So I've been listening to a lot of, of shows, that's one thing that I like to do, and I'll even bring it up here. If one day in the future, maybe you'll be able to see all of the comments that I've I've left or ratings and reviews on on individual podcasts on pod friend because I actually find it really useful there. But there's a bunch of shows there. So I would say podcast idiot by Kevin Bay. I know he does that I believe from the jump. So that's open. You'll recognize a bunch of these names. If you've listened to podcasting 2.0 There is the meet us pod, which is by D meet us I think he does. No, sorry. He just has that setup.
There's someone whose name I'm forgetting. And this is really Fun Fact Friday, I believe they do that as well, where they will introduce the aspect of hey, here's a boostagram, can you please support the show? And then obviously, there's the The 2000 shows, Salonomics, there's another one bowl after bowl. There's a bunch of people who come from the no agenda world. So phone boy speaks, there's someone from Brian of London, who's been on podcasting. 2.0 He's more in the hive world, but he still has that hooked up. Ai cooking, that is with comic strip, comic strip blogger. He also reads out some Bucha grams does some stuff. So SDS podcast, that's Spanish one spoken in the Spanish language he is from, I believe it's from Ecuador, but living in Dominica, Dominican Republic, Robert Suzuki, I've talked about him before on here. So there's a whole bunch of people, I guess, doing the value for value and, and introducing it in their own ways. Some people, it's just, hey, here's the, my lightning node, send streaming payments through, please do that. And they won't go the extra effort of creating that feedback loop, I guess, with the community and adding in those elements. So you can see it's a sliding scale as well. It's not just this is the way to do it. And you have to include elements from the audience, you have to use clips that they've sent you and you have to say out their name, you have to like no, you don't have to do anything. The value for value model is, is a more suggestive and it's, it's more flexible, I think you can do what you want with it. So if you want to put in minimal effort, if you want to put all your effort into creating the show and making that, you know, super streamlined and whatnot and then it's just there in the background. You don't even have to tell people they will maybe find it for themselves and then voluntarily do that. There's all sorts of ways of doing it. So that's just some of my podcast recommendations that I can say for you and say hey, give these a try. You might find something of note here. Well, we've now come to the favorite section for me to do which is the boosta Gram lounge and we've had quite a few people putting some stuff in so play music Kyrin.
Welcome to the value for value Boostagram lounge. Smooth as always, well, here's our first one coming through and obviously my work in Episode 15. The value of tough love is paid off because I received a couple from the person I was calling out directly so from Oscar Merry, he said thanks for the fountain shout out fascinating to hear the difference between longtail growth on YouTube and podcast. Yeah, it is. Pretty interesting. Oscar fountain is live on iOS App Store btw and that was tu tu tu tu tu tu tu tu sats sent using fountain. Thank you Oscar. This could ducks. I guess it looks like ducks. I would have said more like swans row of swans Anywho.
Thank you Oscar and yes, on iOS app as well. I don't have that so I was unsure of that. So thank you for sending that in. that is very useful to know. The next one also from Oscar is boosting because you asked me yes, that is value for value and action right there. One thing I would love to see in this pod is clips of different podcasters asking people to support via value for value, and also thanking people for booths. I think it would be really interesting to hear the different approaches slash styles. Once again, tu tu, tu tu sent using fountain? Yes, Oscar, that would be something fantastic that I could do. Will I do it, though, is another question that's a hit. And that's a harder one to answer.
Because that obviously would require more effort on my part of creating clips, putting them in and whatnot, I'm actually leaning more personally towards the side of doing things live doing them as messy as possible, you might even have noticed that the first, probably six or seven episodes were a lot tighter and cleaner. These ones I'm a bit more rambley. And hence, you've probably also noticed the, the track length of these episodes going up. So I'm just not super sure if that's a route I want to go down. I watched the way Adam operates and the amount of clips and things that he does. And it's absolutely fantastic. I love how much effort he's putting in. And it really shows that he's created this amazing audience and whatnot. The thing with that is you have to get very technical, so I'd probably have to start losing using more technology, I'd have to start learning more things. And whilst I'm not averse to that, I'm not sure I will have the motivation to particularly go down that route as deep as he has. And I, I'll explain maybe a bit more of that in the ending in my little podcast pro tip and recommendations, because I think that'll shed some light on my thoughts of why I might not be doing that. I have done it in previous episodes. Will I do it? I'm not so sure. But I did steal your idea there and said, You know what, I can do some podcasting recommendations. So people can search for themselves. If they want, they can go and find out and see what is the gos. Another one here is from someone new. So very intriguing. Fun, fascinating. Right here. This is from Nullifier. And they said Great message positivity multiplies itself. And that was 500 SATs, sent using pod friend and now sorry, sent using fountain and the cool thing with this was he had a couple of messages coming through another one was removing the middleman increases mutual integrity, another 500 Set sets using a fountain fountain Yes. And then this is what I want to see most from visa vie musicians getting direct support 1500 sets and using fountain. Now the funny thing was that when all of these came in, I was a bit unsure of what to make of it because some of them were sent in in random places. And I was like, oh geez, where did this come from? I'm not 100%? Sure.
Why should I do this another one here, kids who grew up receiving their allowance via ln will not have that problem. And I was thinking like, oh, geez, I have no idea where this is coming from. But the cool thing is, and this is where you can see my effort coming through is that I downloaded the CVV CVC or xls. What was it from from the Satoshi stream xls. X file, so an Excel file from Satoshi stream. And they had this huge amount of tabs in there. They have all these crazy things. But I was able to see where exactly these boosts were coming from and what episodes in particular, which helped very much. So let me go over these again. So the first one from Oscar boosting because you asked me that was from the value of tough love. So the last one obviously I didn't need to put that one so much giving value a case study. So that was the great message.
Great message positivity multiplies itself. So that was one of the early episodes. I believe that was episode number three, I believe. Yep. Episode number three. So yes, positivity there. Thank you very much Nullifier, the removing the middleman that was from the what value for value isn't. So that was where I was talking about how Patreon and all of these sorts of things aren't particularly value for value because there is that middleman in the middle and that's, you know, siphoning off. I think that steals away some of the value in it. The other one, this is what I want to see most from visa vie musicians getting direct support that was resting on your laurels. So that was not too long ago. That was on episode 13. And this was where I was talking about incentives.
This is where I was talking about. Let me go into here was the last song rushed out. Did you do all the research, passive income, things like that? And so this was, I guess, I probably talked enough about in there about how musicians could use this in a completely different way to what they're feeling now. And so the last one was the message about, let me bring it up Ding, dong, ding, ding, ding, he was saying, this is what I want to see most from visa vie musicians getting direct support. And this was on episode 14 value for value is going worldwide. This is where it's kind of hard, and you can still get a little bit lost. So I know I've talked plenty about musicians and then getting direct support. And so obviously, I might have mentioned something in this episode. But this, the timestamp from this was at nine minutes 40. And when I went to that episode, and was looking at it, I wasn't particularly talking about musicians there, I was talking just in general about observations on the podcasting index stuff going worldwide, how it can be different from for women, and for, you know, Australians being generous and things like that. So it wasn't super connected.
And this is where it might be interesting to know, where is that timestamp coming from? Is it coming from when the boost is actually sent? Or is it coming from when the person hits the boost button to write a message, because I know it will take me a minute or two minutes, maybe or maybe even longer to actually write the message, I'm actually going to write that down and put that in the podcasting index social to find that out. But in any case, I really do appreciate that Nullifier that makes my my heart warm, that you've sent through all of all of these nice messages, it really is a fun, try here of of, of the value for value. And, you know, if new people are coming in, and it's, it's beautiful, man, it's really beautiful, I really do appreciate it. So those were the messages. Once again, if I ever miss one, please, please let me know. And I will refund it, I'll go back or put in the effort or put in the work and I will repay you back, I'll send some Satoshis back your way for the the mistake I have made because I know how much it matters to do not have those things go into the void. And this is maybe just a last pro tip here. And before I get on to what I was highlighting before or hinted at before, if you're a podcaster, and you're saying that you're doing value for value, and that you will read out the show, the messages that come in, I think there is a burden that is placed upon you there are responsibility perhaps is better word, because there's nothing worse than you being as a listener sending in through a message and it just not coming through and not receiving that acknowledged acknowledgement that the other person has received it, it's happened plenty of times, to me, I really dislike it, a lot of those shows that I talked about, you know, some of them do do that. And that there's a reason why I'm not really tuning into their shows anymore. It's because you miss that message that that thing goes hidden that that attempt to connect goes goes lost and it sucks, you know, almost feels like getting rejected in a way. So that's just one thing I would recommend if you're interested in this model, hey, put the time and effort in, go back through and try and find out when they sent through that message, try and decipher it, try and put the effort in because I think your audience will appreciate it. The last thing I was going to talk about was, I am actually asking now for your support, because I have now started paying for this podcast. So I'm on Buzzsprout.
And I really did want to try and make this as self hosting to put in the effort time work to to figure that all out. And I've just been noticing these past couple of months, I'm not making the time not making the effort. And I think that's because I just don't care that much about self hosting. There's a reason why I've never particularly gone down this route before learning about podcasting 2.0 It's just the the technical side of that the coding that's required the knowledge and skills that you would have to continuously update to get to that level. I think that's just where I'm like, Yeah, I'd rather pay this off in a in another way. My my skills aren't particularly related to that my skills are related to elsewhere. So would I rather create a better show by putting in all of these clips and putting the time and effort energy that's required to creating all those and doing that? Or would I rather you know, not do that and then potentially use that time in other ways that can benefit the show more. I maybe I can read more books. Maybe I couldn't listen to more of Adam's podcasts and really dive deeper. Maybe I could, you know, do more podcast episodes with other podcasters who are doing this get more of their thought to have more chats with Oscar Mary and other developers who are doing things? I would say for me, that's probably where the money is. That's, and this is a subjective thing on my part. Is it better to create the show, you know, more technical, with things like that with more feedback with more interactive elements? Or is it better for me to improve it by a different ways? You know, that's my call.
And I'll have to live with that, whether that is the correct call or not. But that I think does explain part of, of what's going on here and why I might not do some recommendations that you suggest and things like that. The other one is that I'm going to try and really trying to be laying on the value for value from now on, because now, there were some costs associated with this before it was just time. But now there's a, you know, not super huge, it's a probably be about 16 Australian dollars per month. But if possible, so that's, that's four episodes. So that's about $4 An episode, I'd be trying to recoup about $4 An episode. So that is going to be my goal from now on, to try and get to a minimum as a sustainable level for this podcast. And so you'll be noticing that in the upcoming episodes, I'm probably going to be laying on the value for value Schpeel even harder than I had before. What can I say right now? Hey, send me in a boosta gram stream Satoshis. To me, I really do appreciate it and it will help this show continue on with the increasing cost of life. Oh my god. And yeah, that's it for today. Thanks for listening to this end of a rather long one. But there was a lot of recommendations I wanted to go over. And I really do hope you're having a fantastic time wherever you are in the world. Kyrin out.
