You think we're content with just empowering audio creators?! In Ep#49 we're going to examine the current problem with blogging, why NOSTR & Stacker News have been successful and how v4v might make it's way into all text communication.
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You thinkwe're content with just empowering audiocreators? Ho, ho, ho! Welcomeeveryone to another value for value episode. Kyrin here fromthe Mere Mortals podcast. Mere Mortals book reviews, but this show is the one for digital content creators who want to connectmore deeply with their audienceand to monetise whatever it isthat they're creating. And I can hear youscreaming now, Kyrin, you audiophile. You've only been focusingon audio and music. How dare you?What about text? What about video? Whoa,Nelly. Whoa, Nelly. Okay, I'll.I'll help you out.
I'll help you outwith this. And so this episode hereis going to be focusing on how,if you are a blogger, perhapsif maybe you're an author, you can startexperimenting with value for valueand and how this can help connect you with your audience and once again monetisein different ways. And I'll do a separatevideo, a separate episode on onvideo in the near future. And definitelyin this season. So I'm going to give a strong caveat herethat even though I personally love books, I've got a whole,you know, minimalist book reviews about it. I don't really read thatmuch in the digital format on the screen.I'm not a big fan of that.
So blogs, for example, I've never really gotten intoand for both consumption and creation, I'mnot a great writer, so I don't know thisas deeply as I do all of the podcastingsort of things, but I do know a fairbit about it. So we're going to jump right into hereand let's just jump in, as opposedto the first problem, which is we'll start offwith something niche. How do bloggersmake money? And this is was somethingwhere I was like, no, you know, I think I could havea rough guesstimate of it, but let me do a little bit of research and find out.
So I was trawling throughsome YouTube videos. I was going throughsome blogs about blogging and how to make moneyand blogging. You know, thethe classic feedback loop or the metal type of dealgoing on there. And basicallywhat I came up with and what I came away from this and you'll see thison your screen now if you'reif you're looking, it's mostly displayads, affiliate marketing brands, sponsorships,product sales services, the podcasting overlapis very strong. That's the same sort ofdeal that you'll hear with podcasting a lot of the time,how to how to, you know, the big podcastsmake their money.
They'll typically do itthrough things like this. And the not only justin that respect, but even I guesskind of the numbers or percentages ofnumbers are very similar. So once again,just doing some rough research, it seemthat was probably about 5 to 600 million blogs. And you go, Man,that's a lot of blogs. That seems like too many. But you got to remember, almost every company has a blog of some sort where they're talkingabout their product not only individuals. The accessto blogs is much easier. They started off,you know, RSS, you can create blogsin the nineties, whereas with podcasting,you know, the attachment of an enclosureof an audio file or video was on the until thethe about the mid 2000.
So blogs have been aroundfor a lot longer and they've also got a lotof just I suppose accumulationso 5 to 600 million once again it seemed likethere was maybe 10% of thosethat were active. So very similarto podcasting where there'sabout 4 million podcasts, but only about 10%,400,000 of them are actually active. So we can see, okay, well,there's there is a method of, of, of being ableto, to monetise. Does any of those thingsreally connect you with your audience better displayads, affiliate marketing brand sponsorships,product sales services know that that rather extractiveall of those. And so this is on the I guess theblogging side of things.
The other thingI think of when I think of of text of digital contentcreation through text is also perhapssomething like e-books. And so you could sayauthors they might find. I have a similar problemthat musicians do in a certain respect. I mean, definitely in the the book sales world,it sounds very similar to where authors get verylittle of the royalties of their actual booksthat they create. You know,they do all the work, but it's the distributors,the publishers that make most of the money, the kind of middlemensort of thing. Once again, this is not digitalcontent creation, so I won't gettoo deeply into that.
But I thinkeven the Kindle and e-book dynamics, they're probably similaror similar where it's it's the physicalsale of the book and maybe this is a methodthat works, but I know that I've heard all sorts of thingsover the years of how the incentive withthat was then to write thesereally short e-books, which you could tryand sell as much as as possible of, because if you writea big long one, you know, awell-crafted book and it's just not sellingdigitally, well then, you know, you're not goingto be able to survive. You're not going to beable to do it, do what it is that youperhaps really want to do and that you're actually really good atand is valuable.
But there's no mechanismfor for people to to really connectwith that or the the value mechanismisn't strong enough for youto be able to survive. So once again,I guess you could just say there's a little bit of overlap between the digital communicationof of text and content creationof of a text based productand with the audio. And as we've found outwith the podcasting, as I've been talking aboutand recently with the musicsort of thing, so I can then hear you saying,okay, well y v for V then what's this going to do? How, how can thissort of thing help me?
We've already got allof these other mechanisms. Why don't you justdo that? And yeah,and if you're not good at, you know, creatingads, affiliate marketing and creating a blog through that way,you know, what's what's the pointof all of this? Once again,I think the reason for value for valueis numerous. You can connect moredeeper with your audience. But I also have a bitof a cautionary tale here and say this is somethingI do know very well and there was this guy I used to followcalled Rush V back in the I'm going to sayit was like the 20 tens was roughlywhen I was reading this guy and hehe had this blog about picking up girls,which was something I was very interestedback in those days that was,you know, teenage choir and very socially anxious,very just I just didn't knowactually was probably even before the 20 tens.
I mean, to say like late2000, mid to late 2000. And I was very muchjust wanting to like know, how do you talk to girls,you know, how do you get overthe social anxiety? And he had a lotof great advice for that. Some of it not so helpful. And it's it stuck with me to thisday, and I kind of need to unlearnsome of those things. But it immensely valuablefor for young Kyrin, who just had no otheroptions, who didn't know any of these things. And this guy wasvery analytical. He explained it in a waythat me being an engineer could can understand.
Unfortunately for him, he incurred the wrath of theof the platforms. And so overthe many years of him blogging and writinge-books, and I suppose evenphysical books as well, he got deplatformed frompeople, got deplatformed from Amazonand from Twitter. You know,it was this acceptable? Was he breakingthe boundaries, the laws? I mean, for the Twitter,you could probably say, yeah, you know, he was probablywriting some things which were contrary totheir policies or whatnot. You know, you know, there are bigindependent company that can do what theywant. Sure. Get him off.
But when it comes to likePayPal and Amazon,you know, you can't it's not likehe was writing or doing thingson the Amazon website. It was just he was puttinghis books up there. And at some pointthey decided, no, no, no, you can't put this upthere. We're goingto kick you off. And with PayPal,I mean, that that's kind of just,you know, financial repression,I feel, at least so his contentwas deemed unacceptable. And the funny thing withthis was his blog and his forum was still workingbecause, you know, he ran the infrastructure for those He ownedthe RSS feed he was with, you know, whatever, you know, you'd have to getto the level of like trying to deplatformsomeone from Amazon Web Services or Digital Oceanor something like that.
And so they still worked,but the financial repressionwas was definitely real. He felt it. And I saw, you know, his strugglesand his problems with us. And so thiswas just one of those ones where I was like,okay, well, he was very muchan audience based membership type thing. So I think he did havememberships and I believe he didhave tips and subscription options. And even if you go to his websiteat the very moment you can see he still does, how have all of thosethings? And so once again,you can go, okay, well, why do we needvalue for value? You've got all these other things,you've got memberships, you've got tips,you've got subscriptions.
Why do we need valuefor value? And this is whereI would just go to, I suppose,like the fundamentals. If you want to jump backon to season one, if you check out episodefive or seven or 11 and where I was talkingabout the frustrationsof donations of paywalls and how they limit youryour audience and your listenership just in general,why they're not great. So we can see, okay, Well, you know, one, there's this perhaps a little bit of problemswith the with the adsand things like that. You might not wantto go down that route. And if you do, you canhave some some problems.
And then even then,if you're doing the audience base thing, you cannot youcan still feel the pain of of being kicked off of platformsof not having, you know,the full qualities which I was talking about in the very first episode of the seasonor the second episode. So we can see value forvalue has a place in the the digital contentcreation of text for sure. And just like itdoes for, for podcasting. And there'sa myriad of reasons. I'm trying to just go oversome of these here. Another problem I guess you wouldexperience with the digital and on the techside of things is on text, is that the two waycommunication?
And once again, here'sanother tale from myself, a personal experience,sort of okay. Over the yearsof doing multiple podcasts and people reachingout to me, how have I experienced peopleresponding to me via text? And so probablythe main way has been via email and Instagram. Those were the kind of two platforms whichwhich we had available for for people. Now, if you go downto the show note links,you can see there's like six different thingsof five Twitter,discord, Instagram, Facebook, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah. And what I would just say is what I'veexperienced from this is probably about the signal to noise,as I was referencing in the titlefor this increasing the signal of textcommunication.
You can see, I would say it's probablyabout 80% of it is spam of just random stuffcoming in to my inbox of we can offer youthis service, we can,you know, SEO, we can do you want to do a brandpartnership? Do you want to do thisthing? You know, it's really funnybecause they always start with like,Hey, Mia, as in because most of the stuff has meremortals written on it. So obviously the bots arejust assuming Mairs is the first name ofwhoever owns this account. And well, obviously that'sa, that's a pretty bad signal to noise ratio. If you get five thingsin four of them the crapand then one of them is a genuine personreaching out, trying to tell yousomething or which which is probably valuableor has the chance of being valuable.
People can still sayvery invaluable things. And this is, I suppose, just a problemwith blogging. If you've ever gone onto blogs over the years,you'll see the amount of commentsthat are just bullshit in the in the commentssection down below. And YouTubecomments are very similar to this,where it's just it's this cat and mousegame of bots and getting increasinglybetter. And then, you know,people put CAPTCHAs or the all those, those linksand things to try and verifyif this is a real human being and then the bots get better and all of thissort of thing. So the I suppose like twoof the big problems I see once again, I'mnot a blogger or an author and or do much textbased content creation other than just,you know, show note links.
Is thatone the payment options that they're but it's very similar to to podcastingwhich is okay it's just not the bestyou could you could findbetter ways of doing this and there are risksinvolved with creating. Perhaps you're on Twitter,you know, you'rereally good at Twitter, you're good at short,snappy things, you're applyingall the time. You enjoythe experience there. You just get kicked offone day or Elon Musk takes your nameor whatever it is, and it's just like,Shit, Well, that's that'snot the greatest thing. Didn't have thosefour properties.
The big traitswhich I'll talk about once again in a second. So and then just receivingfeedback, getting the, you know,you creating the value, that's kindof some problems with that and then receiving itfrom your audience once again. That can kind of be hard and there's some problemswith that. So. All right, Karen, well,what are the solutions? What are some of the things that you're saying that could potentiallymake this better? And so there's a couplea couple of things here. And the traits the traits I will tell youabout the traits. So they arethe four big traits that I mentioned right at thestart of this, which was permissionless,decentralised, self-sovereignand value for value.
So I think this is where value for valueonce again, I started off with thoseand talking about how the these four propertiesI found across Bitcoin, I found across audio podcasting and I foundacross value for value. So these sort of things, they're the kind of thingsI look out for when I'm, when I talk about value for valueand so a couple of the, the platforms or thingswhere you can create digital contentin a text based way and receive value backfor what you're creating and have some of theseproperties in them. So here'sa couple of suggestions.
There is Sphinx, which is somewhatof a messaging app, and this has a little bitof tie in with podcasting because this wasone of the ways is the now is one of the wayswhere the whole Bitcoin micropayments was was first reallybeing used in podcasting. It was this thing calledSphinx dot chat. There's another one calledStuck in Use. This is more of a formexperience. So imagine a Reddit type experienceof going on to there. And another it's a I suppose,a protocol called noster, which has many differentclients for more Twitter style experienceat this very moment.
So a couple of those login things would be somethinglike Amethyst or Dharma or what's snort, dot,social, astral, dot ninja. There's a few ways of of connectingwith these things and they have varyingdegrees of, of being permissionless. Noster is probablyone of the better ones for being decentralised. For being permissionless. They all somewhat use a lightning walletas a log in and they have their own mixture of,of solving the problems I was talking aboutbefore. So let's say you'reon Twitter and you're creating content and yeah,you know, what are what are you receiving inreturn for that.
Well until recently you weren'treceiving anything. You were gettinga whole bunch of likes. It's like, well, okay, well, I can't can'tfeed my family on likes. And so they've got thesethings called Zaps, which arebasically function the same as a like button,but you get $0.10 every timesomeone does it. And youcan say, okay, well, if I what'sthe deal with that? How's how'sthat going to help me? Well,if you go on Twitter, you can see those people who get, youknow, 40,000 likes as a as in response to a tweetor an X or whatever it's called now, you know,40,000 times ten.
Okay, That's 400,000. That's okay. That'sactually not a bad thing. Well, it'd be awesome if if if I couldget that on on this other platform. And once again, this is kind of value for valuebecause what you can do is you can if you click itonce it's ten, if you click it twice,it's it's 100. If you triple click,it's a thousand. So you can kind of seepeople have a way of rapidly being able to give valueof of their choosing. And this is where youcan see, okay, all right. There's there's a there's a wayfor some people to get paidfor creating content.
And it's very muchthe same on on stack and newspeople can zap them in. It's a bit of annoying because they use boostin a different way than we doin the podcasting world. But but that's that's aright and sphinxes is very muchsimilar. It's sort of using the Lightning Network to be ableto pay back and forth. And so all of these all ofthese sort of things, you know, how how big are these things,for example? Well, if you look on your screen nowor if you go on to the podcast index social,where I put a little a link and I put up a graph,you can see on the screen that you know how many people actuallyusing stuff can use to supporttheir favourite content creators.
And the graph there shows as of Augustor September of 2023, it's about 200and something 75 users who will supportthe favourite creators on there. This is this is actually almost identicalto what podcasting is. If you go backto the previous episode where I was talking aboutpodcasting 2.0 statistics, this was about the same number of of daily userswho are boosting in or streaming micropayments totheir favourite creator. Okay, So there's, there'sobviously some people doing it and it's somewhatequivalent to podcasting once again,those who lean into it and and go hardinto telling people they can boost in or do these things thisway they will receive more more that's why that way and and will get get morebenefits from that.
So yeah there's a I'm justimagining in the future I don't think it's hard to imagine variations of thiswhere it could be you knowyou can have increasing complexity of numerology so instead of it just beingmultiples of ten, you can putin your own numbers of havingautomatic leaderboard. So if someone supportsyou really heavily at the end of the month, a tweet goes out or a postgoes out, which is these are the peoplewho supported me the most, highlighting them, you know, giving themthe recognition, which is what all of thisvalue for value stuff is. A lot of it's about it'sabout connecting.
It's about thankingpeople. It's about acknowledging peoplefor the value that they you give themand that they give you back in return. Now, perhaps you couldhave things where it's a a paidper paragraph thing. So if you create a post, people are reading down your web browserautomatically realises, okay, you'vegotten to this point and youparagraph starting, you know, here's 100 statsfor for that. And so it'sbased once again sort of likethe micropayment version of audio which isgetting paid per minute. Perhaps you can get paidper paragraph. You know, these are these are all different optionsand ways of doing things.
There's, I suppose, a caveat to allof these things that I'm just talking about here is it can get easy to get confusedabout value for value. And I suppose that earningaspect and being able to give it back on because there's quite a few applicationswhere you can already earn and spendat the same time. So the Bitcoin magazineapp, for example there,I believe you can earn Bitcoin for,for reading it from it and you can also send it backto the author of that. So there'squite a few apps and there's a whole othersorts of social media and stuff like thiswhere it's all about you can earn and thenspend at the same time.
So creating thatcircular economy, a lot of this a techniques for gamifyingand growing a user base and I'mnot exactly sure if most of thosesort of things I've heard they're not great of how would I describe it of ofcreating an ecosystem which is truly, trulyvaluable, truly unique. You know, if you're doingthese sorts of things, basicallythe value at the end point does need to come from so that,you know, the value for me creatingthis audio is I'm doing all the audio stuff, I'm creating thisand I'm putting it out in return.
In the grand scheme of things, the listenerwould probably need to be or you know, my producer,if you want to call them that, or my supporter, they need to be getting external money and putting itinto the system and then sending it on tome, the circular economy. I mean, look, it can kindof work both ways, but all of this is just to say tax based communication. There's I think there'sthere's opportunities for this to to be enhancedand to be made better. And I was sayingsome of the comments here in our discordwhere one was asking, you know,what about on Twitter, when people would getlots of use, they get paid offthe back of Twitter out of the advertising profit,which is kind of based around, youknow, they're garnering a lot of peopleto their posts.
Those posts haveadvertising next to it. So the more views in turn, they get more money onthis. I'll talk about thismore in a little bit in the in the tips section,so I'll get on to that shortly. I also see be very coming in hereand just talking about, you know, the permissioned permissionless state ofthe Internet is awesome. And he's got a bit of aBill Hicks quote there on YouTube,which I will not play at this very moment. So all of this just to say the text basedworld, I think there are I think there is a need once againfor value, for value and and once again,for the TIPS section, I'll talk aboutanother misconception which oneand I had recently and it's just rightfor the opportunity for another way of connectingwith creators and interacting with themmore deeply, getting around these kind of spam problems,and then also just having an alternative.
If you are the typeof person who potentially could get kicked offan awesome platform. And I think that isactually for everyone because I thinkif you just stay around long enough,you'll say something which is cancel or cancellabel worthyor something like that. So let's wrap that little bow upthere. More of thatto come after that Boostagramlounge section. But yeah,let's let's get into the Boostagram Lounge. Welcometo the value for value Boostagram Lounge. So amazing week of support with the Boostagram lounge. Really want to thankjust stop it here I, I feel like I've I have been puttinga lot of effort into the valuefor value show particularly over theselast couple of weeks monthsand really focusing on on creating something that's more valuableyou know with the how to use for exampleand just researching more deeply,being a bit more prepared.
And I think it'sshowing off. So yeah, just really want to thank youeveryone right now start the BoostaGram lounge. This is a way where you can supportthe show directly by sending me a messagewithin your podcasting app of choice. Or you can also use ago to the podcast index dot org and find the valuefor value show there and boost in with a walletlike Alby for example. And you can also goto Miyamoto's podcast dot com and there'sa couple of ways where you can helpsupport via those links. So I could solvesome shenanigans. There'ssome absolute shenanigans going on with the boostagram Lounge this week.
I'm just going to do itin order of recency. So we're going to startat the very top here. We've got bearded techcoming in with Fountain with 5000 sets. Thank you very much.My friend. And it says Building onthe Golden Dragons boost. So this is from last week you can find outmore on matrix at and then he's got a link here to the Matrix bloodblog index dot Zazie. I'll put a link for thatin the show notes. We're building an APIfrom the ground up to supportboosts and blogs. The potential is there to use itfor more than just blogs, but for open sourcedevelopment.
Music donationsfor Uncle Carl Surgery, surgery, surgery, basicallyanything you can imagine. And then another link here to the GitHub dotcom slash blog index is where you can findthe code and soon blog index, dot x, y,z, Viva la revolucion and I will be talking moreabout that shortly in my a section on the appand service highlights. So we'll just pass overto that for the moment about very, very muchappreciate it. Thank you. Bit of tech we've got Nick this is the co-creatorco-founder of Fountain and he saysanother great episode excited aboutwhere the new ecosystem is headed.
I'm interested to knowwhere you're getting the data on feedwith value blocks from. I'd like to post thison the fountain socials. So I sent hima link to that. It was in the show notesas well for for thosewho want to look there. And that wasthe griddle cakes dot com link. So just checkout their shenanigan time. We have pot fanspayment Samsung five pot fans payment and that was 3333 from Nickthank you very much Nick we've just got these huge amount of thingscoming in from pod fans and just with a little playing aroundwhat I discovered is these are streaming paymentsthat he's sending in, but they're somehowbeing recognised as boostagrams,at least with the the kind of set upthat I have using Satoshis stream and linkingthat to my discord.
So I'm just going to haveto scroll down here this others. I don't know how manythere is. If I can mole up, it's maybe not hundreds, maybelike 50 or something. But he did send a coupleof messages in here. He said, Apple and Spotifybring zero value to me and this is in quotes,Calm down, Love that sentence. That was actually AdamCarr. That wasme quoting him. So I can'ttake credit for that. But I do somewhat echo the sentiment, especiallythe Spotify bit, and I'mnot a big fan of Spotify. Another one here, KevinKelly 1000 true fans is the OG postthat led to B for V.
Yeah, very true. That's a great blog postif you've never read it. A thousand true fans. If you just type that into Google by Kevin Kelly, that's that'sa really great one there We've got another okayback into your regular sketch to boostagrams we've got the GoldenDragon coming in so boost exciting that it has beengrowing for sure. On the voice of the blogstuff bearded techas akin to Dave Jones. As he knows, the codeside. And I just get the newsout there and chat it up. Glad to hear that the lastwas so warming to you. Keep up the great work100% using fountain.
Thank you very much. My friend will also betalking about him shortly. Got Adam Curry here 1999 once again using fountain10,000 stats. Great episode,an outstanding use of chapter offof the graphs. Yes, yes. This is what I love tohear. I love to experience the the recognitionof the chapter arc. That's something of asince I've discovered it, I've been like, Man,this is so cool. I love this stuff. So I really appreciate itwhen people use the chapter. I know not everyone does because obviouslypodcasting is is really good to be ableto just use on your on your phone while you're runningor doing whatever it is.
But yeah,I definitely love it when people check out thethe chapter. So if you do seethat. Yeah, please, please give me give me some credit for itbecause I love it. Okay. We've got a couple morehere and Rob Bola absolute bowlhere from Chris laughs. This is Chris Fisherfrom Jupiter Broadcasting and he says,All right, I'll send 6006 63,333 I've no idea whatthat numerology is, but I love it. Thoughts on the pressureV for V can add to contentcreation. Overall,that's a good thing, but I'm always tryingas hard as I can to create valuable enough contentthat does deserve support.
That's a high barthan sponsor funded content has to reachfor the sponsors rally. Listen to the show. It is a good thing,especially for listeners, but it is also a bitstressful thoughts. I really like this breakthe stats breakdown and he sent thatusing pod verse. Thank you very much. So yeah, look crystalI can say for myself is is the for me personally I haven'thad to experience this because mymy approach has always been the consistencylike I'm going to be here week in, week outno matter what. So it is kind ofirrelevant to me how much support I getweek in and week out.
So that's that'skind of a big one. There. That's that hasn't been the biggest incentivefor me. I can seeand I know you were talking about this recently when I wasI was thinking of doing more shows,for example, or splitting the shows upso that, you know, taking the conversationsout of the models or doing the fitness podcastthat one's been doing me and Models in Motion, which are much smallerepisodes, and we've been putting themin the in the feed off of that one,even though it's kind of different, you know, hisit's a solo episode of him for 10 minutesin comparison to most of our episodes,which are an hour long between the two of us or the two hour long episodesthat I do when I want to have a guest on.
So it's a very differentin that respect and, you know, breakingthat apart, it's another feed you've gotto imagine, manage another list of supporters that you've got to thankand be on top of. Look, Yeah,it's it's a tough one. It's a tough one. I think there isa pressure. But look, there's going to be pressureno matter what. Right. If Chris has talkedto numerous times about how value for value is so much less stressfulthan the sponsor stuff, because he doesn't have todo meetings. He doesn't have to call inand check that they're still okay,that they're still good.
He doesn't have to worry about, I suppose, is anythinghe's going to say. Accidentally talkabout a different product that they're incompetition with or, you know, all of thesesorts of things. Make sure the host rate isright because they do want they will want to see some metricsthat you're actually the sponsorshipis working, that the ads are working. I think it's justa different type of stress and very much like how the Kevin Kellya thousand true fans. I've listened to quitea few episodes with him talking about that. And one of the thingshe says is you have to recognise it's a lot of workyou have to do if you want to do the kind of thousand true fans root of value for valueand and connectingwith your audience this way you have to bethe type of person who's good at that,who enjoys doing that, and the certain peoplewho aren't, the certain people who just wantto create the music they that's allthey want to do.
They want to spend their 12 hoursper day that they have availableor whatever it is in the minutia of, you know,making this sound right, of connectingwith this artist, of doing thisaudio production of of focusing highlyon that one specific thing that they'rereally good at. And then all of the otherstuff related to connecting with fans, responding to your fanmail of building a community,of going out to in-person events, of meetingyour dedicated true fans, they don'twant to do that. And this is where youyou go, okay, value for value is not foreveryone, you know.
And doing the listenersupported method is not for everyoneand there is a pressure. It can be stressful and if if it isn'tworking for you, like please don't do it. What I think is is handy is that value forvalue is a good add on. And if you're interestedin a lot of the things that I was talking aboutin regards to platforming de-platforming of,of some of the risk that are associatedwith that, it's better to to kind of like gothe full width route, which is very muchwhat I'm doing. But yeah, once again that's a longwinded way of just saying value for valueis not for everyone and you've got to take those stressesand just recognise, okay, it might not be exactlywhat you're thinking and easiestas you're doing.
Look, let's get backto our regular donation segment of Sam. Seth, are you sendingin a million messages? Great show, Kyrin.This is another test. All of thesecoming from pod fans sent using POD fans, reallysmall ones that say, Thank you very much, Sam,for that. I do appreciate that. And then finally,a couple of live ones here from Barry, who I know is listeningand is in the chat room. And the chat at the moment BE veryhas been very helpful and I have includedthe boost bot in thein the splits for this. So that is one of the thingswhen I get a full proper IAC chat, running upwill be a kind of little cool thing.
But yeah, there's just so many thingsI need to to work on. So it's, it's on my to do list. But if you want to chatin the live episode, coming tothe Discord is Good or leaving a messageon the the podcastindex on the official post that I do thereand he since 17,776 and sayswe're using Substack as a newsletter slash shownote aggregator. I have seen that it'sthe Zozo. It's Connor. Yeah,he leaves a link. Awesome. I like it well enough,but ultimately we will go self-hosted. I would love to seea Stubbs Tech Substack like front endfor each episode, but when you click into the referencesit takes you to wiki.
Ideally it allow youto make notations link related material,a real scholarly endeavour of sortslike the Noah agenda. Show notes had a wiki, which they kind of doin some ways like no agendas so bigand they've had so many peoplecreating stuff on it. It kind ofdoes feel like a wiki. I was using it recentlygoing through all of these old episodesjust to learn more about value for valueits origin on their show. And it was really funny. Some of the things they were talking about,like John C Dvorak was on episode28 at the 130 mark. He was doubting thatpeople will pay 150 men like thatabsolutely got blown out of the water.
So and they were askingfor like $2 a donation that they'reat the very start and the kind of like first 100 episodeswhich is rather amusing consideringwhere they are now. But yeah,if you go into that that show notes, it is a very likeit's all connected in this weird,wonderful way. So I really knowwhat you're talking about. And if you're wonderingwhy bribery would, would need somethinglike this, you really need to check out his podcastbehind the schemes it is. They've got so much stuffgoing on there and like tarot cardreadings they've got, you know, play by plays of of themplaying video games, but they make ita video podcast, but it's not reallya video podcast because they're using GIFsas the chapter as is crazy. So and he's sends it anotherboost 8888 and I'm huge advocatefor show notes as a whole bring the receipts people and then he's got thosethose corner so that is probably sayingthat is O so s corner dot Substack Gqom and then seasonone episode 169 So yeah, he's got a yeah,yeah.
The behind this games is a podcast everyone needs toexperience at least once. That's all I can sayis crazy. So yeah, awesome. I'm going to going to leave it there and get on to the appand service highlights. So sorry my tips section. So on a recent valuefor value episode that one and I did, it revealeda bit of misconception. The misconception that I talkedabout in episode 47, the top one,which was, you know, it's V for video dive, if it's V for Vor all or nothing. And it's look,I get trapped into this because I'mso excited about it. I've got the value for Value podcastobviously and I, I, I justsee why it's so powerful for, formyself personally.
But that's just me. And I supposepart of me is an idealist, but there is roomfor everything. So one in the in the chatbefore just mentioning. Okay, but how is thisdifferent from X and being able toto monetise on their as a, as a content creatorwhich is a relatively recentinnovation. I thinkthey've only done that in the last month or two. And so this is whereI would say, you know, there's roomfor everything. One of the peoplewho is very much into value for valueand who has boosted in tremendously to this showand to my other shows, ColinMcCormick from America.
Plus he has divedin headlong into the trying to to I suppose,gain a following on X and monetisingusing that platform and I'm interested I'm watching him and look it'scertainly I see him more on therewhen I am on there. So he's obviouslydoing some things which the algorithm lacks for me and and is showingmore of his stuff. Once again, I thinkit's a long term strategy. It's it's just risky. It's just risky. You know, you create a massivefollowing on that platform and then five years later,the platform goes away. You know, you can shift overyour audience to a certain extent, but what if you're not as good on Instagramas you are on on Twitter?
I x what if what if you just getsuddenly cancelled and you're you're relying on thisto feed your family and then suddenly it'sjust gone because these platformsthey are and buy individual people like you ondoesn't want you on there he's allowedto take you off. It's his thing you know he bet he paid billions of dollarsto get that. So youget the right to do that. So all of this is just to say, you know,please experiment with all of these things,try out other mediums. And there are tons of tons of other wayswhere you can, through text based digital contentcreation, receive money or connectionwith your audience.
I still think the best way of doingit is when there is a a payment attached to it,and at the moment it makes sensethe most for me throughsomething like Bitcoin because it isdigital money. You can do things with itthat you can't do with the with with fiat. And that's there's just, you know,there's just risks to all of these platforms. The PayPal's, the patron,just buy me a coffee, you can get kicked offall of them. Is that I'll, I'll leaveit there for the moment. So but yeah it was just there'sa slight misconception I'm guiltyof perpetuating it, that it's V for V all die,all or nothing.
That's not the only waythat you can do it. But there is there's other there's other options outthere. And so, yeah, you know, gosee what Cole's doing on America Plus and we'll see we'll see how it goesover the over the years. Let's jump to my appand service highlightand the Golden Dragon. He did a great jobof being a mouthpiece. So this was somewhatwhat spurred this episode. I was wanting to lookat Noster and and stuck in use and talkabout the more in depth I have tried outlost a couple of times. It personallyhasn't worked for me just thethe tech related to it.
I struggle to get messages.I was struggling to connectwith things easily. I probably tried twoor three times and I've just gone like, Oh, I don't want to dealwith this. It's it'stoo much pain. Still. Ju I can't dealwith it myself personally. Stuck in newsonce again I mentioned I just don't reallyconsume digital content, so I'm not, I'm not going to use that platform because I don't go on forumsand if I do on the look, I'm never posting stuff. So what, what,what are the the cool things he did was just talking to meabout what this guy could be the tech who boostedright at the top and he gave us a wholebunch of links. Then.
And essentiallyhe's trying to set up a kind of multi thing. One is a blogging versionof the podcast index. So with podcasting 2.0, you needed the indexfirst to allow you needed to have thedecentralised piece first. So to allow apps to connectto all of these podcasts, all of these new namespaces, once again, I think it's one in fivepodcasts have declared the new namespace. They have a tagin the feed, which is just mind blowing. That's so, so cool. And it's, I think, the fifth highest namespaceout there. With regards to RSSand things like this. So super, super cool.
So obviouslygaining adoption and with blogging, it'skind of like maybe the samesort of thing is needed. And so is trying to set up like a podcastindex type thing. And then the other aspect ofthat would be the version of Sovereign feedsdot com, which is where you can kind of createyour podcast RSS feed and it'sjust a way of you doing it without having to go intothe, the Mark-Up text, whatever it is yourself and individuallywrite it out. It's got a nice userinterface you put in the title,the chapter, the splits that you want, the linksto, the value time splits, do all of thesedifferent things.
It'll createa feed for you and then you can copyand paste that into. This is the realself-hosted approach. By the way,people, this is the, the, the for the innovators, for thefor the people who really wantto dive into these things. And so basicallyhe just wants to create those two type thing. So if I have a blog, you know, Khan at WordPress dot com,whatever it is and I can submit itto the his blog index. So one we now know, okay, this is a valuefor value blog. You can support this blogwith the value for value boosting and, and paymentsand things like this and I can manipulate my splitsand you can see how this would work of having guest writersappearing on your blog.
That's a very commonthing to do. You know, they now have a waywhere they can get paid for doing thatrather than paid through on the exposure. It's like, Hey, no, pleasecome on the blog. And, you know,if my listeners really enjoy your stuff, you'llget some money for that. Othercontributors, once again, you know, is the photographerwho is creating really cool stuff for the blog. Is he getting paiddirectly? Well, you know, who knows? Maybe,maybe yes, maybe no. Once again, solves all those problemswith regards to, you know, having the moneyof who's get it, who'sgetting the money in.
You've got to trustthis person to send it offto the right place. And there's a bit of lack of transparencyand things like this. And, you know, maybe people really enjoy the photosmore than the blog itself. So I don't know. There's all sorts of waysyou can look at that. So once again,I would probably say the best place to dothat is just to go to his blog itself andyou'll see on the screen a little introductionpiece because he has not yetset up the blog index dot X, Y, Z. So that that's just aa kind of just a front pageat the moment doesn'thave anything else on it.
So I'm a yeah, who knows what will happenwith that. I really hopehe is able to do that. That'd be really cool. And then another onewhich I have somewhat used before is is MASH actually talkedwith one of the guys who I suppose he wasthe sales guy for it. It's a it's a free serviceand that you can easily copy some codeinto your own website and you will then havethe ability for people to, to use micropaymentsto boost in and does they've got all sortsof functionalities where you can have likea vote type thing you can and people can choose to voteand pay that way or they canjust send in a boost.
They can send in all ofthese sorts of things. I honestly just have not got around to experimenting with iton my website and I believethey just ask for a split. So once again, a service they created a call integration service,an app, a thing that that works. And yeah, that's, that'sjust a way of doing that. So yeah that's,that's kind of cool. And yeah, hopefully that will take off and that'sjust another way where you can experimentwith that and yes, see, see how you go with that. So those two little thingsthere, if you're, if you've gota blog yourself and you're looking to, to be able to dothese sorts of things, please try out thoseand you might might have some success with that.
So I've lost a wholebunch of links there. There was the stack of news that was Noster,the Sphinx, that was MASH. If you've got a blogfor yourself and there's all sortsof other things out there which I thinkare attempting to get at value for value. I think a lot of themaren't quite haven't got quite the right mix, but I think there'sa hunger for it. It's not it's not just in the audioworld where people are sick ofspam, of crappy messages or commentsnot having value. It solvesa lot of problems by kind of integrating these these sort of thingsall together.
And so finally,value for value. Who am I going to give 15%to this week? Well, I really like whatbetter text do I thinkthat's a cool way of him, of him trying to integrate, to do something new,to innovate, to help out bloggers and, you know,help out himself, perhaps it's one of those thingswhere I think he wants it. And so it's like,well, stuff it. I'll build it myself,kind of like what Boubakarydoes on behind this game. So it's like,I want this thing. I'll, I'll put in like a proposal tothe GitHub. I'll be one of the first peopleto integrate it. I'll use the value timesplits, I'll, I'll self-hosted, I'lldo all of these things.
So it's really cool. So yeah, 15% is going togo to him for this week. So thank you very much,my friend. And just finally, valuefor value, time, talentand treasure time. I'd just askthat you share this. That'sprobably the most valuable thing for meat the moment. I'd love more peopleto hear about this. I think there's a couple of great tools out there,so value for value info. If you are more of areader type person and Gigi has a great coupleof blog posts on that. So I and if you type in valuefor value and Google, yeah, he's got a thing called digi icons value.
That's that'sgot a pretty good little explanation thereand he's got some links on more more things on onhow you can do that And so yeahsharing this with someone talentif you have an insight into bloggingor the author world or know someone who speakscoherently about these things,about the problems, yeah, please let me know. I'm always looking forresources of things that I can listen to thatthat people talk about these problems. There's there's so much gems out therein the Internet, which I just haven'tcome across yet because, you know, I haven't typedin the search thing or I haven'tbeen told about it by someone else who hasfound this sort of thing.
So I would really appreciate that if youif you have any of these sort of handy resources of peoplewho you think really know and can talkabout these things more in-depth, I would love toto gain access to those. And then finally, the treasure a somewhattalked about this the best one, please try out a new podcast appand do everything I can to make it a betterexperience for you. There's chapter images, transcripts, there's links to all of the thingsI'm talking about. You can send in the micropayments, you can get more a connection.
Like if you go into Fountain,for example, you can connect with other people and it's a there'sall sorts of things you can do thatwhich, which I think make it worth switching overfrom something like Spotify or from Appleor from any of the other ones. You can listen in live in a lot of theseapps as well, and you'll geta notification about that. There's all sorts of coolthings, so try that out. If you don't want totry out a new app. I understand it's like like with Napster,sometimes things don't work,you know, sometimes fountain crashes,sometimes whatever.
So go into the podcastindex website, type in valuefor the number four and or just typein my name, Kyrin. And the show will pop up and you can boost directlyfrom there using Alby or you can do directly at me at Coronetget Albi dot com, which is another wayI prefer it if you did it viathe other mechanisms because then the splitsgo to the correct place. But if you just wantthe easy easy option, can't get Albee dot.comas a is the way that you can do that. So yeah, there's a coupleof different options hopefully in the websitethe mere mortals podcast dot com.
Well we'll have some moreof these integrationtype things, but yeah, at the momentI'm just doing what I can so I will make dowith what we have there. So there's been another fun episode I really have enjoyedand appreciated One and be very cominginto the chat once again. If you are free on a Wednesday10 a.m. AustralianEastern Standard Time, which is the equivalentof UTC zero midnight on that TuesdayWednesday border. Now please come,come join me. I would love to have some interactionswith you in the chat. It's very, very fun. And yep, they for valueit's going to it's going to take off.
It won't take overthe world, but I'll take over partportions of the world. I think so.We'll leave it there. Thank you everyone for joining in and until the next episode, Jeff now current out.
You thinkwe're content with just empowering audiocreators? Ho, ho, ho! Welcomeeveryone to another value for value episode. Kyrin here fromthe Mere Mortals podcast. Mere Mortals book reviews, but this show is the one for digital content creators who want to connectmore deeply with their audienceand to monetise whatever it isthat they're creating. And I can hear youscreaming now, Kyrin, you audiophile. You've only been focusingon audio and music. How dare you?What about text? What about video? Whoa,Nelly. Whoa, Nelly. Okay, I'll.I'll help you out.
I'll help you outwith this. And so this episode hereis going to be focusing on how,if you are a blogger, perhapsif maybe you're an author, you can startexperimenting with value for valueand and how this can help connect you with your audience and once again monetisein different ways. And I'll do a separatevideo, a separate episode on onvideo in the near future. And definitelyin this season. So I'm going to give a strong caveat herethat even though I personally love books, I've got a whole,you know, minimalist book reviews about it. I don't really read thatmuch in the digital format on the screen.I'm not a big fan of that.
So blogs, for example, I've never really gotten intoand for both consumption and creation, I'mnot a great writer, so I don't know thisas deeply as I do all of the podcastingsort of things, but I do know a fairbit about it. So we're going to jump right into hereand let's just jump in, as opposedto the first problem, which is we'll start offwith something niche. How do bloggersmake money? And this is was somethingwhere I was like, no, you know, I think I could havea rough guesstimate of it, but let me do a little bit of research and find out.
So I was trawling throughsome YouTube videos. I was going throughsome blogs about blogging and how to make moneyand blogging. You know, thethe classic feedback loop or the metal type of dealgoing on there. And basicallywhat I came up with and what I came away from this and you'll see thison your screen now if you'reif you're looking, it's mostly displayads, affiliate marketing brands, sponsorships,product sales services, the podcasting overlapis very strong. That's the same sort ofdeal that you'll hear with podcasting a lot of the time,how to how to, you know, the big podcastsmake their money.
They'll typically do itthrough things like this. And the not only justin that respect, but even I guesskind of the numbers or percentages ofnumbers are very similar. So once again,just doing some rough research, it seemthat was probably about 5 to 600 million blogs. And you go, Man,that's a lot of blogs. That seems like too many. But you got to remember, almost every company has a blog of some sort where they're talkingabout their product not only individuals. The accessto blogs is much easier. They started off,you know, RSS, you can create blogsin the nineties, whereas with podcasting,you know, the attachment of an enclosureof an audio file or video was on the until thethe about the mid 2000.
So blogs have been aroundfor a lot longer and they've also got a lotof just I suppose accumulationso 5 to 600 million once again it seemed likethere was maybe 10% of thosethat were active. So very similarto podcasting where there'sabout 4 million podcasts, but only about 10%,400,000 of them are actually active. So we can see, okay, well,there's there is a method of, of, of being ableto, to monetise. Does any of those thingsreally connect you with your audience better displayads, affiliate marketing brand sponsorships,product sales services know that that rather extractiveall of those. And so this is on the I guess theblogging side of things.
The other thingI think of when I think of of text of digital contentcreation through text is also perhapssomething like e-books. And so you could sayauthors they might find. I have a similar problemthat musicians do in a certain respect. I mean, definitely in the the book sales world,it sounds very similar to where authors get verylittle of the royalties of their actual booksthat they create. You know,they do all the work, but it's the distributors,the publishers that make most of the money, the kind of middlemensort of thing. Once again, this is not digitalcontent creation, so I won't gettoo deeply into that.
But I thinkeven the Kindle and e-book dynamics, they're probably similaror similar where it's it's the physicalsale of the book and maybe this is a methodthat works, but I know that I've heard all sorts of thingsover the years of how the incentive withthat was then to write thesereally short e-books, which you could tryand sell as much as as possible of, because if you writea big long one, you know, awell-crafted book and it's just not sellingdigitally, well then, you know, you're not goingto be able to survive. You're not going to beable to do it, do what it is that youperhaps really want to do and that you're actually really good atand is valuable.
But there's no mechanismfor for people to to really connectwith that or the the value mechanismisn't strong enough for youto be able to survive. So once again,I guess you could just say there's a little bit of overlap between the digital communicationof of text and content creationof of a text based productand with the audio. And as we've found outwith the podcasting, as I've been talking aboutand recently with the musicsort of thing, so I can then hear you saying,okay, well y v for V then what's this going to do? How, how can thissort of thing help me?
We've already got allof these other mechanisms. Why don't you justdo that? And yeah,and if you're not good at, you know, creatingads, affiliate marketing and creating a blog through that way,you know, what's what's the pointof all of this? Once again,I think the reason for value for valueis numerous. You can connect moredeeper with your audience. But I also have a bitof a cautionary tale here and say this is somethingI do know very well and there was this guy I used to followcalled Rush V back in the I'm going to sayit was like the 20 tens was roughlywhen I was reading this guy and hehe had this blog about picking up girls,which was something I was very interestedback in those days that was,you know, teenage choir and very socially anxious,very just I just didn't knowactually was probably even before the 20 tens.
I mean, to say like late2000, mid to late 2000. And I was very muchjust wanting to like know, how do you talk to girls,you know, how do you get overthe social anxiety? And he had a lotof great advice for that. Some of it not so helpful. And it's it stuck with me to thisday, and I kind of need to unlearnsome of those things. But it immensely valuablefor for young Kyrin, who just had no otheroptions, who didn't know any of these things. And this guy wasvery analytical. He explained it in a waythat me being an engineer could can understand.
Unfortunately for him, he incurred the wrath of theof the platforms. And so overthe many years of him blogging and writinge-books, and I suppose evenphysical books as well, he got deplatformed frompeople, got deplatformed from Amazonand from Twitter. You know,it was this acceptable? Was he breakingthe boundaries, the laws? I mean, for the Twitter,you could probably say, yeah, you know, he was probablywriting some things which were contrary totheir policies or whatnot. You know, you know, there are bigindependent company that can do what theywant. Sure. Get him off.
But when it comes to likePayPal and Amazon,you know, you can't it's not likehe was writing or doing thingson the Amazon website. It was just he was puttinghis books up there. And at some pointthey decided, no, no, no, you can't put this upthere. We're goingto kick you off. And with PayPal,I mean, that that's kind of just,you know, financial repression,I feel, at least so his contentwas deemed unacceptable. And the funny thing withthis was his blog and his forum was still workingbecause, you know, he ran the infrastructure for those He ownedthe RSS feed he was with, you know, whatever, you know, you'd have to getto the level of like trying to deplatformsomeone from Amazon Web Services or Digital Oceanor something like that.
And so they still worked,but the financial repressionwas was definitely real. He felt it. And I saw, you know, his strugglesand his problems with us. And so thiswas just one of those ones where I was like,okay, well, he was very muchan audience based membership type thing. So I think he did havememberships and I believe he didhave tips and subscription options. And even if you go to his websiteat the very moment you can see he still does, how have all of thosethings? And so once again,you can go, okay, well, why do we needvalue for value? You've got all these other things,you've got memberships, you've got tips,you've got subscriptions.
Why do we need valuefor value? And this is whereI would just go to, I suppose,like the fundamentals. If you want to jump backon to season one, if you check out episodefive or seven or 11 and where I was talkingabout the frustrationsof donations of paywalls and how they limit youryour audience and your listenership just in general,why they're not great. So we can see, okay, Well, you know, one, there's this perhaps a little bit of problemswith the with the adsand things like that. You might not wantto go down that route. And if you do, you canhave some some problems.
And then even then,if you're doing the audience base thing, you cannot youcan still feel the pain of of being kicked off of platformsof not having, you know,the full qualities which I was talking about in the very first episode of the seasonor the second episode. So we can see value forvalue has a place in the the digital contentcreation of text for sure. And just like itdoes for, for podcasting. And there'sa myriad of reasons. I'm trying to just go oversome of these here. Another problem I guess you wouldexperience with the digital and on the techside of things is on text, is that the two waycommunication?
And once again, here'sanother tale from myself, a personal experience,sort of okay. Over the yearsof doing multiple podcasts and people reachingout to me, how have I experienced peopleresponding to me via text? And so probablythe main way has been via email and Instagram. Those were the kind of two platforms whichwhich we had available for for people. Now, if you go downto the show note links,you can see there's like six different thingsof five Twitter,discord, Instagram, Facebook, blah, blah,blah, blah, blah. And what I would just say is what I'veexperienced from this is probably about the signal to noise,as I was referencing in the titlefor this increasing the signal of textcommunication.
You can see, I would say it's probablyabout 80% of it is spam of just random stuffcoming in to my inbox of we can offer youthis service, we can,you know, SEO, we can do you want to do a brandpartnership? Do you want to do thisthing? You know, it's really funnybecause they always start with like,Hey, Mia, as in because most of the stuff has meremortals written on it. So obviously the bots arejust assuming Mairs is the first name ofwhoever owns this account. And well, obviously that'sa, that's a pretty bad signal to noise ratio. If you get five thingsin four of them the crapand then one of them is a genuine personreaching out, trying to tell yousomething or which which is probably valuableor has the chance of being valuable.
People can still sayvery invaluable things. And this is, I suppose, just a problemwith blogging. If you've ever gone onto blogs over the years,you'll see the amount of commentsthat are just bullshit in the in the commentssection down below. And YouTubecomments are very similar to this,where it's just it's this cat and mousegame of bots and getting increasinglybetter. And then, you know,people put CAPTCHAs or the all those, those linksand things to try and verifyif this is a real human being and then the bots get better and all of thissort of thing. So the I suppose like twoof the big problems I see once again, I'mnot a blogger or an author and or do much textbased content creation other than just,you know, show note links.
Is thatone the payment options that they're but it's very similar to to podcastingwhich is okay it's just not the bestyou could you could findbetter ways of doing this and there are risksinvolved with creating. Perhaps you're on Twitter,you know, you'rereally good at Twitter, you're good at short,snappy things, you're applyingall the time. You enjoythe experience there. You just get kicked offone day or Elon Musk takes your nameor whatever it is, and it's just like,Shit, Well, that's that'snot the greatest thing. Didn't have thosefour properties.
The big traitswhich I'll talk about once again in a second. So and then just receivingfeedback, getting the, you know,you creating the value, that's kindof some problems with that and then receiving itfrom your audience once again. That can kind of be hard and there's some problemswith that. So. All right, Karen, well,what are the solutions? What are some of the things that you're saying that could potentiallymake this better? And so there's a couplea couple of things here. And the traits the traits I will tell youabout the traits. So they arethe four big traits that I mentioned right at thestart of this, which was permissionless,decentralised, self-sovereignand value for value.
So I think this is where value for valueonce again, I started off with thoseand talking about how the these four propertiesI found across Bitcoin, I found across audio podcasting and I foundacross value for value. So these sort of things, they're the kind of thingsI look out for when I'm, when I talk about value for valueand so a couple of the, the platforms or thingswhere you can create digital contentin a text based way and receive value backfor what you're creating and have some of theseproperties in them. So here'sa couple of suggestions.
There is Sphinx, which is somewhatof a messaging app, and this has a little bitof tie in with podcasting because this wasone of the ways is the now is one of the wayswhere the whole Bitcoin micropayments was was first reallybeing used in podcasting. It was this thing calledSphinx dot chat. There's another one calledStuck in Use. This is more of a formexperience. So imagine a Reddit type experienceof going on to there. And another it's a I suppose,a protocol called noster, which has many differentclients for more Twitter style experienceat this very moment.
So a couple of those login things would be somethinglike Amethyst or Dharma or what's snort, dot,social, astral, dot ninja. There's a few ways of of connectingwith these things and they have varyingdegrees of, of being permissionless. Noster is probablyone of the better ones for being decentralised. For being permissionless. They all somewhat use a lightning walletas a log in and they have their own mixture of,of solving the problems I was talking aboutbefore. So let's say you'reon Twitter and you're creating content and yeah,you know, what are what are you receiving inreturn for that.
Well until recently you weren'treceiving anything. You were gettinga whole bunch of likes. It's like, well, okay, well, I can't can'tfeed my family on likes. And so they've got thesethings called Zaps, which arebasically function the same as a like button,but you get $0.10 every timesomeone does it. And youcan say, okay, well, if I what'sthe deal with that? How's how'sthat going to help me? Well,if you go on Twitter, you can see those people who get, youknow, 40,000 likes as a as in response to a tweetor an X or whatever it's called now, you know,40,000 times ten.
Okay, That's 400,000. That's okay. That'sactually not a bad thing. Well, it'd be awesome if if if I couldget that on on this other platform. And once again, this is kind of value for valuebecause what you can do is you can if you click itonce it's ten, if you click it twice,it's it's 100. If you triple click,it's a thousand. So you can kind of seepeople have a way of rapidly being able to give valueof of their choosing. And this is where youcan see, okay, all right. There's there's a there's a wayfor some people to get paidfor creating content.
And it's very muchthe same on on stack and newspeople can zap them in. It's a bit of annoying because they use boostin a different way than we doin the podcasting world. But but that's that's aright and sphinxes is very muchsimilar. It's sort of using the Lightning Network to be ableto pay back and forth. And so all of these all ofthese sort of things, you know, how how big are these things,for example? Well, if you look on your screen nowor if you go on to the podcast index social,where I put a little a link and I put up a graph,you can see on the screen that you know how many people actuallyusing stuff can use to supporttheir favourite content creators.
And the graph there shows as of Augustor September of 2023, it's about 200and something 75 users who will supportthe favourite creators on there. This is this is actually almost identicalto what podcasting is. If you go backto the previous episode where I was talking aboutpodcasting 2.0 statistics, this was about the same number of of daily userswho are boosting in or streaming micropayments totheir favourite creator. Okay, So there's, there'sobviously some people doing it and it's somewhatequivalent to podcasting once again,those who lean into it and and go hardinto telling people they can boost in or do these things thisway they will receive more more that's why that way and and will get get morebenefits from that.
So yeah there's a I'm justimagining in the future I don't think it's hard to imagine variations of thiswhere it could be you knowyou can have increasing complexity of numerology so instead of it just beingmultiples of ten, you can putin your own numbers of havingautomatic leaderboard. So if someone supportsyou really heavily at the end of the month, a tweet goes out or a postgoes out, which is these are the peoplewho supported me the most, highlighting them, you know, giving themthe recognition, which is what all of thisvalue for value stuff is. A lot of it's about it'sabout connecting.
It's about thankingpeople. It's about acknowledging peoplefor the value that they you give themand that they give you back in return. Now, perhaps you couldhave things where it's a a paidper paragraph thing. So if you create a post, people are reading down your web browserautomatically realises, okay, you'vegotten to this point and youparagraph starting, you know, here's 100 statsfor for that. And so it'sbased once again sort of likethe micropayment version of audio which isgetting paid per minute. Perhaps you can get paidper paragraph. You know, these are these are all different optionsand ways of doing things.
There's, I suppose, a caveat to allof these things that I'm just talking about here is it can get easy to get confusedabout value for value. And I suppose that earningaspect and being able to give it back on because there's quite a few applicationswhere you can already earn and spendat the same time. So the Bitcoin magazineapp, for example there,I believe you can earn Bitcoin for,for reading it from it and you can also send it backto the author of that. So there'squite a few apps and there's a whole othersorts of social media and stuff like thiswhere it's all about you can earn and thenspend at the same time.
So creating thatcircular economy, a lot of this a techniques for gamifyingand growing a user base and I'mnot exactly sure if most of thosesort of things I've heard they're not great of how would I describe it of ofcreating an ecosystem which is truly, trulyvaluable, truly unique. You know, if you're doingthese sorts of things, basicallythe value at the end point does need to come from so that,you know, the value for me creatingthis audio is I'm doing all the audio stuff, I'm creating thisand I'm putting it out in return.
In the grand scheme of things, the listenerwould probably need to be or you know, my producer,if you want to call them that, or my supporter, they need to be getting external money and putting itinto the system and then sending it on tome, the circular economy. I mean, look, it can kindof work both ways, but all of this is just to say tax based communication. There's I think there'sthere's opportunities for this to to be enhancedand to be made better. And I was sayingsome of the comments here in our discordwhere one was asking, you know,what about on Twitter, when people would getlots of use, they get paid offthe back of Twitter out of the advertising profit,which is kind of based around, youknow, they're garnering a lot of peopleto their posts.
Those posts haveadvertising next to it. So the more views in turn, they get more money onthis. I'll talk about thismore in a little bit in the in the tips section,so I'll get on to that shortly. I also see be very coming in hereand just talking about, you know, the permissioned permissionless state ofthe Internet is awesome. And he's got a bit of aBill Hicks quote there on YouTube,which I will not play at this very moment. So all of this just to say the text basedworld, I think there are I think there is a need once againfor value, for value and and once again,for the TIPS section, I'll talk aboutanother misconception which oneand I had recently and it's just rightfor the opportunity for another way of connectingwith creators and interacting with themmore deeply, getting around these kind of spam problems,and then also just having an alternative.
If you are the typeof person who potentially could get kicked offan awesome platform. And I think that isactually for everyone because I thinkif you just stay around long enough,you'll say something which is cancel or cancellabel worthyor something like that. So let's wrap that little bow upthere. More of thatto come after that Boostagramlounge section. But yeah,let's let's get into the Boostagram Lounge. Welcometo the value for value Boostagram Lounge. So amazing week of support with the Boostagram lounge. Really want to thankjust stop it here I, I feel like I've I have been puttinga lot of effort into the valuefor value show particularly over theselast couple of weeks monthsand really focusing on on creating something that's more valuableyou know with the how to use for exampleand just researching more deeply,being a bit more prepared.
And I think it'sshowing off. So yeah, just really want to thank youeveryone right now start the BoostaGram lounge. This is a way where you can supportthe show directly by sending me a messagewithin your podcasting app of choice. Or you can also use ago to the podcast index dot org and find the valuefor value show there and boost in with a walletlike Alby for example. And you can also goto Miyamoto's podcast dot com and there'sa couple of ways where you can helpsupport via those links. So I could solvesome shenanigans. There'ssome absolute shenanigans going on with the boostagram Lounge this week.
I'm just going to do itin order of recency. So we're going to startat the very top here. We've got bearded techcoming in with Fountain with 5000 sets. Thank you very much.My friend. And it says Building onthe Golden Dragons boost. So this is from last week you can find outmore on matrix at and then he's got a link here to the Matrix bloodblog index dot Zazie. I'll put a link for thatin the show notes. We're building an APIfrom the ground up to supportboosts and blogs. The potential is there to use itfor more than just blogs, but for open sourcedevelopment.
Music donationsfor Uncle Carl Surgery, surgery, surgery, basicallyanything you can imagine. And then another link here to the GitHub dotcom slash blog index is where you can findthe code and soon blog index, dot x, y,z, Viva la revolucion and I will be talking moreabout that shortly in my a section on the appand service highlights. So we'll just pass overto that for the moment about very, very muchappreciate it. Thank you. Bit of tech we've got Nick this is the co-creatorco-founder of Fountain and he saysanother great episode excited aboutwhere the new ecosystem is headed.
I'm interested to knowwhere you're getting the data on feedwith value blocks from. I'd like to post thison the fountain socials. So I sent hima link to that. It was in the show notesas well for for thosewho want to look there. And that wasthe griddle cakes dot com link. So just checkout their shenanigan time. We have pot fanspayment Samsung five pot fans payment and that was 3333 from Nickthank you very much Nick we've just got these huge amount of thingscoming in from pod fans and just with a little playing aroundwhat I discovered is these are streaming paymentsthat he's sending in, but they're somehowbeing recognised as boostagrams,at least with the the kind of set upthat I have using Satoshis stream and linkingthat to my discord.
So I'm just going to haveto scroll down here this others. I don't know how manythere is. If I can mole up, it's maybe not hundreds, maybelike 50 or something. But he did send a coupleof messages in here. He said, Apple and Spotifybring zero value to me and this is in quotes,Calm down, Love that sentence. That was actually AdamCarr. That wasme quoting him. So I can'ttake credit for that. But I do somewhat echo the sentiment, especiallythe Spotify bit, and I'mnot a big fan of Spotify. Another one here, KevinKelly 1000 true fans is the OG postthat led to B for V.
Yeah, very true. That's a great blog postif you've never read it. A thousand true fans. If you just type that into Google by Kevin Kelly, that's that'sa really great one there We've got another okayback into your regular sketch to boostagrams we've got the GoldenDragon coming in so boost exciting that it has beengrowing for sure. On the voice of the blogstuff bearded techas akin to Dave Jones. As he knows, the codeside. And I just get the newsout there and chat it up. Glad to hear that the lastwas so warming to you. Keep up the great work100% using fountain.
Thank you very much. My friend will also betalking about him shortly. Got Adam Curry here 1999 once again using fountain10,000 stats. Great episode,an outstanding use of chapter offof the graphs. Yes, yes. This is what I love tohear. I love to experience the the recognitionof the chapter arc. That's something of asince I've discovered it, I've been like, Man,this is so cool. I love this stuff. So I really appreciate itwhen people use the chapter. I know not everyone does because obviouslypodcasting is is really good to be ableto just use on your on your phone while you're runningor doing whatever it is.
But yeah,I definitely love it when people check out thethe chapter. So if you do seethat. Yeah, please, please give me give me some credit for itbecause I love it. Okay. We've got a couple morehere and Rob Bola absolute bowlhere from Chris laughs. This is Chris Fisherfrom Jupiter Broadcasting and he says,All right, I'll send 6006 63,333 I've no idea whatthat numerology is, but I love it. Thoughts on the pressureV for V can add to contentcreation. Overall,that's a good thing, but I'm always tryingas hard as I can to create valuable enough contentthat does deserve support.
That's a high barthan sponsor funded content has to reachfor the sponsors rally. Listen to the show. It is a good thing,especially for listeners, but it is also a bitstressful thoughts. I really like this breakthe stats breakdown and he sent thatusing pod verse. Thank you very much. So yeah, look crystalI can say for myself is is the for me personally I haven'thad to experience this because mymy approach has always been the consistencylike I'm going to be here week in, week outno matter what. So it is kind ofirrelevant to me how much support I getweek in and week out.
So that's that'skind of a big one. There. That's that hasn't been the biggest incentivefor me. I can seeand I know you were talking about this recently when I wasI was thinking of doing more shows,for example, or splitting the shows upso that, you know, taking the conversationsout of the models or doing the fitness podcastthat one's been doing me and Models in Motion, which are much smallerepisodes, and we've been putting themin the in the feed off of that one,even though it's kind of different, you know, hisit's a solo episode of him for 10 minutesin comparison to most of our episodes,which are an hour long between the two of us or the two hour long episodesthat I do when I want to have a guest on.
So it's a very differentin that respect and, you know, breakingthat apart, it's another feed you've gotto imagine, manage another list of supporters that you've got to thankand be on top of. Look, Yeah,it's it's a tough one. It's a tough one. I think there isa pressure. But look, there's going to be pressureno matter what. Right. If Chris has talkedto numerous times about how value for value is so much less stressfulthan the sponsor stuff, because he doesn't have todo meetings. He doesn't have to call inand check that they're still okay,that they're still good.
He doesn't have to worry about, I suppose, is anythinghe's going to say. Accidentally talkabout a different product that they're incompetition with or, you know, all of thesesorts of things. Make sure the host rate isright because they do want they will want to see some metricsthat you're actually the sponsorshipis working, that the ads are working. I think it's justa different type of stress and very much like how the Kevin Kellya thousand true fans. I've listened to quitea few episodes with him talking about that. And one of the thingshe says is you have to recognise it's a lot of workyou have to do if you want to do the kind of thousand true fans root of value for valueand and connectingwith your audience this way you have to bethe type of person who's good at that,who enjoys doing that, and the certain peoplewho aren't, the certain people who just wantto create the music they that's allthey want to do.
They want to spend their 12 hoursper day that they have availableor whatever it is in the minutia of, you know,making this sound right, of connectingwith this artist, of doing thisaudio production of of focusing highlyon that one specific thing that they'rereally good at. And then all of the otherstuff related to connecting with fans, responding to your fanmail of building a community,of going out to in-person events, of meetingyour dedicated true fans, they don'twant to do that. And this is where youyou go, okay, value for value is not foreveryone, you know.
And doing the listenersupported method is not for everyoneand there is a pressure. It can be stressful and if if it isn'tworking for you, like please don't do it. What I think is is handy is that value forvalue is a good add on. And if you're interestedin a lot of the things that I was talking aboutin regards to platforming de-platforming of,of some of the risk that are associatedwith that, it's better to to kind of like gothe full width route, which is very muchwhat I'm doing. But yeah, once again that's a longwinded way of just saying value for valueis not for everyone and you've got to take those stressesand just recognise, okay, it might not be exactlywhat you're thinking and easiestas you're doing.
Look, let's get backto our regular donation segment of Sam. Seth, are you sendingin a million messages? Great show, Kyrin.This is another test. All of thesecoming from pod fans sent using POD fans, reallysmall ones that say, Thank you very much, Sam,for that. I do appreciate that. And then finally,a couple of live ones here from Barry, who I know is listeningand is in the chat room. And the chat at the moment BE veryhas been very helpful and I have includedthe boost bot in thein the splits for this. So that is one of the thingswhen I get a full proper IAC chat, running upwill be a kind of little cool thing.
But yeah, there's just so many thingsI need to to work on. So it's, it's on my to do list. But if you want to chatin the live episode, coming tothe Discord is Good or leaving a messageon the the podcastindex on the official post that I do thereand he since 17,776 and sayswe're using Substack as a newsletter slash shownote aggregator. I have seen that it'sthe Zozo. It's Connor. Yeah,he leaves a link. Awesome. I like it well enough,but ultimately we will go self-hosted. I would love to seea Stubbs Tech Substack like front endfor each episode, but when you click into the referencesit takes you to wiki.
Ideally it allow youto make notations link related material,a real scholarly endeavour of sortslike the Noah agenda. Show notes had a wiki, which they kind of doin some ways like no agendas so bigand they've had so many peoplecreating stuff on it. It kind ofdoes feel like a wiki. I was using it recentlygoing through all of these old episodesjust to learn more about value for valueits origin on their show. And it was really funny. Some of the things they were talking about,like John C Dvorak was on episode28 at the 130 mark. He was doubting thatpeople will pay 150 men like thatabsolutely got blown out of the water.
So and they were askingfor like $2 a donation that they'reat the very start and the kind of like first 100 episodeswhich is rather amusing consideringwhere they are now. But yeah,if you go into that that show notes, it is a very likeit's all connected in this weird,wonderful way. So I really knowwhat you're talking about. And if you're wonderingwhy bribery would, would need somethinglike this, you really need to check out his podcastbehind the schemes it is. They've got so much stuffgoing on there and like tarot cardreadings they've got, you know, play by plays of of themplaying video games, but they make ita video podcast, but it's not reallya video podcast because they're using GIFsas the chapter as is crazy. So and he's sends it anotherboost 8888 and I'm huge advocatefor show notes as a whole bring the receipts people and then he's got thosethose corner so that is probably sayingthat is O so s corner dot Substack Gqom and then seasonone episode 169 So yeah, he's got a yeah,yeah.
The behind this games is a podcast everyone needs toexperience at least once. That's all I can sayis crazy. So yeah, awesome. I'm going to going to leave it there and get on to the appand service highlights. So sorry my tips section. So on a recent valuefor value episode that one and I did, it revealeda bit of misconception. The misconception that I talkedabout in episode 47, the top one,which was, you know, it's V for video dive, if it's V for Vor all or nothing. And it's look,I get trapped into this because I'mso excited about it. I've got the value for Value podcastobviously and I, I, I justsee why it's so powerful for, formyself personally.
But that's just me. And I supposepart of me is an idealist, but there is roomfor everything. So one in the in the chatbefore just mentioning. Okay, but how is thisdifferent from X and being able toto monetise on their as a, as a content creatorwhich is a relatively recentinnovation. I thinkthey've only done that in the last month or two. And so this is whereI would say, you know, there's roomfor everything. One of the peoplewho is very much into value for valueand who has boosted in tremendously to this showand to my other shows, ColinMcCormick from America.
Plus he has divedin headlong into the trying to to I suppose,gain a following on X and monetisingusing that platform and I'm interested I'm watching him and look it'scertainly I see him more on therewhen I am on there. So he's obviouslydoing some things which the algorithm lacks for me and and is showingmore of his stuff. Once again, I thinkit's a long term strategy. It's it's just risky. It's just risky. You know, you create a massivefollowing on that platform and then five years later,the platform goes away. You know, you can shift overyour audience to a certain extent, but what if you're not as good on Instagramas you are on on Twitter?
I x what if what if you just getsuddenly cancelled and you're you're relying on thisto feed your family and then suddenly it'sjust gone because these platformsthey are and buy individual people like you ondoesn't want you on there he's allowedto take you off. It's his thing you know he bet he paid billions of dollarsto get that. So youget the right to do that. So all of this is just to say, you know,please experiment with all of these things,try out other mediums. And there are tons of tons of other wayswhere you can, through text based digital contentcreation, receive money or connectionwith your audience.
I still think the best way of doingit is when there is a a payment attached to it,and at the moment it makes sensethe most for me throughsomething like Bitcoin because it isdigital money. You can do things with itthat you can't do with the with with fiat. And that's there's just, you know,there's just risks to all of these platforms. The PayPal's, the patron,just buy me a coffee, you can get kicked offall of them. Is that I'll, I'll leaveit there for the moment. So but yeah it was just there'sa slight misconception I'm guiltyof perpetuating it, that it's V for V all die,all or nothing.
That's not the only waythat you can do it. But there is there's other there's other options outthere. And so, yeah, you know, gosee what Cole's doing on America Plus and we'll see we'll see how it goesover the over the years. Let's jump to my appand service highlightand the Golden Dragon. He did a great jobof being a mouthpiece. So this was somewhatwhat spurred this episode. I was wanting to lookat Noster and and stuck in use and talkabout the more in depth I have tried outlost a couple of times. It personallyhasn't worked for me just thethe tech related to it.
I struggle to get messages.I was struggling to connectwith things easily. I probably tried twoor three times and I've just gone like, Oh, I don't want to dealwith this. It's it'stoo much pain. Still. Ju I can't dealwith it myself personally. Stuck in newsonce again I mentioned I just don't reallyconsume digital content, so I'm not, I'm not going to use that platform because I don't go on forumsand if I do on the look, I'm never posting stuff. So what, what,what are the the cool things he did was just talking to meabout what this guy could be the tech who boostedright at the top and he gave us a wholebunch of links. Then.
And essentiallyhe's trying to set up a kind of multi thing. One is a blogging versionof the podcast index. So with podcasting 2.0, you needed the indexfirst to allow you needed to have thedecentralised piece first. So to allow apps to connectto all of these podcasts, all of these new namespaces, once again, I think it's one in fivepodcasts have declared the new namespace. They have a tagin the feed, which is just mind blowing. That's so, so cool. And it's, I think, the fifth highest namespaceout there. With regards to RSSand things like this. So super, super cool.
So obviouslygaining adoption and with blogging, it'skind of like maybe the samesort of thing is needed. And so is trying to set up like a podcastindex type thing. And then the other aspect ofthat would be the version of Sovereign feedsdot com, which is where you can kind of createyour podcast RSS feed and it'sjust a way of you doing it without having to go intothe, the Mark-Up text, whatever it is yourself and individuallywrite it out. It's got a nice userinterface you put in the title,the chapter, the splits that you want, the linksto, the value time splits, do all of thesedifferent things.
It'll createa feed for you and then you can copyand paste that into. This is the realself-hosted approach. By the way,people, this is the, the, the for the innovators, for thefor the people who really wantto dive into these things. And so basicallyhe just wants to create those two type thing. So if I have a blog, you know, Khan at WordPress dot com,whatever it is and I can submit itto the his blog index. So one we now know, okay, this is a valuefor value blog. You can support this blogwith the value for value boosting and, and paymentsand things like this and I can manipulate my splitsand you can see how this would work of having guest writersappearing on your blog.
That's a very commonthing to do. You know, they now have a waywhere they can get paid for doing thatrather than paid through on the exposure. It's like, Hey, no, pleasecome on the blog. And, you know,if my listeners really enjoy your stuff, you'llget some money for that. Othercontributors, once again, you know, is the photographerwho is creating really cool stuff for the blog. Is he getting paiddirectly? Well, you know, who knows? Maybe,maybe yes, maybe no. Once again, solves all those problemswith regards to, you know, having the moneyof who's get it, who'sgetting the money in.
You've got to trustthis person to send it offto the right place. And there's a bit of lack of transparencyand things like this. And, you know, maybe people really enjoy the photosmore than the blog itself. So I don't know. There's all sorts of waysyou can look at that. So once again,I would probably say the best place to dothat is just to go to his blog itself andyou'll see on the screen a little introductionpiece because he has not yetset up the blog index dot X, Y, Z. So that that's just aa kind of just a front pageat the moment doesn'thave anything else on it.
So I'm a yeah, who knows what will happenwith that. I really hopehe is able to do that. That'd be really cool. And then another onewhich I have somewhat used before is is MASH actually talkedwith one of the guys who I suppose he wasthe sales guy for it. It's a it's a free serviceand that you can easily copy some codeinto your own website and you will then havethe ability for people to, to use micropaymentsto boost in and does they've got all sortsof functionalities where you can have likea vote type thing you can and people can choose to voteand pay that way or they canjust send in a boost.
They can send in all ofthese sorts of things. I honestly just have not got around to experimenting with iton my website and I believethey just ask for a split. So once again, a service they created a call integration service,an app, a thing that that works. And yeah, that's, that'sjust a way of doing that. So yeah that's,that's kind of cool. And yeah, hopefully that will take off and that'sjust another way where you can experimentwith that and yes, see, see how you go with that. So those two little thingsthere, if you're, if you've gota blog yourself and you're looking to, to be able to dothese sorts of things, please try out thoseand you might might have some success with that.
So I've lost a wholebunch of links there. There was the stack of news that was Noster,the Sphinx, that was MASH. If you've got a blogfor yourself and there's all sortsof other things out there which I thinkare attempting to get at value for value. I think a lot of themaren't quite haven't got quite the right mix, but I think there'sa hunger for it. It's not it's not just in the audioworld where people are sick ofspam, of crappy messages or commentsnot having value. It solvesa lot of problems by kind of integrating these these sort of thingsall together.
And so finally,value for value. Who am I going to give 15%to this week? Well, I really like whatbetter text do I thinkthat's a cool way of him, of him trying to integrate, to do something new,to innovate, to help out bloggers and, you know,help out himself, perhaps it's one of those thingswhere I think he wants it. And so it's like,well, stuff it. I'll build it myself,kind of like what Boubakarydoes on behind this game. So it's like,I want this thing. I'll, I'll put in like a proposal tothe GitHub. I'll be one of the first peopleto integrate it. I'll use the value timesplits, I'll, I'll self-hosted, I'lldo all of these things.
So it's really cool. So yeah, 15% is going togo to him for this week. So thank you very much,my friend. And just finally, valuefor value, time, talentand treasure time. I'd just askthat you share this. That'sprobably the most valuable thing for meat the moment. I'd love more peopleto hear about this. I think there's a couple of great tools out there,so value for value info. If you are more of areader type person and Gigi has a great coupleof blog posts on that. So I and if you type in valuefor value and Google, yeah, he's got a thing called digi icons value.
That's that'sgot a pretty good little explanation thereand he's got some links on more more things on onhow you can do that And so yeahsharing this with someone talentif you have an insight into bloggingor the author world or know someone who speakscoherently about these things,about the problems, yeah, please let me know. I'm always looking forresources of things that I can listen to thatthat people talk about these problems. There's there's so much gems out therein the Internet, which I just haven'tcome across yet because, you know, I haven't typedin the search thing or I haven'tbeen told about it by someone else who hasfound this sort of thing.
So I would really appreciate that if youif you have any of these sort of handy resources of peoplewho you think really know and can talkabout these things more in-depth, I would love toto gain access to those. And then finally, the treasure a somewhattalked about this the best one, please try out a new podcast appand do everything I can to make it a betterexperience for you. There's chapter images, transcripts, there's links to all of the thingsI'm talking about. You can send in the micropayments, you can get more a connection.
Like if you go into Fountain,for example, you can connect with other people and it's a there'sall sorts of things you can do thatwhich, which I think make it worth switching overfrom something like Spotify or from Appleor from any of the other ones. You can listen in live in a lot of theseapps as well, and you'll geta notification about that. There's all sorts of coolthings, so try that out. If you don't want totry out a new app. I understand it's like like with Napster,sometimes things don't work,you know, sometimes fountain crashes,sometimes whatever.
So go into the podcastindex website, type in valuefor the number four and or just typein my name, Kyrin. And the show will pop up and you can boost directlyfrom there using Alby or you can do directly at me at Coronetget Albi dot com, which is another wayI prefer it if you did it viathe other mechanisms because then the splitsgo to the correct place. But if you just wantthe easy easy option, can't get Albee dot.comas a is the way that you can do that. So yeah, there's a coupleof different options hopefully in the websitethe mere mortals podcast dot com.
Well we'll have some moreof these integrationtype things, but yeah, at the momentI'm just doing what I can so I will make dowith what we have there. So there's been another fun episode I really have enjoyedand appreciated One and be very cominginto the chat once again. If you are free on a Wednesday10 a.m. AustralianEastern Standard Time, which is the equivalentof UTC zero midnight on that TuesdayWednesday border. Now please come,come join me. I would love to have some interactionswith you in the chat. It's very, very fun. And yep, they for valueit's going to it's going to take off.
It won't take overthe world, but I'll take over partportions of the world. I think so.We'll leave it there. Thank you everyone for joining in and until the next episode, Jeff now current out.
