What techniques do you need to consider when asking for contribution? In Ep#54 we're going to listen to a compilation of different asks from podcasters and analyse why their audience support puts them at the top of the charts!
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What techniques do you need to consider when asking for contribution? Welcome everyone to another episode of the Value for Value Podcast. I'm your host, Kyrin Down, host of the Mere Mortals and Mere Mortals book reviews as well. But this is the podcast for digital content creators who want to connect deeper with their audience and also be able to monetise at the same time without the use of having to resort to ads, dynamic ad insertion or host raids or sponsorships or anything like that. Now this is the way where you can do this all directly from your fans, which is an amazing thing.
And there's a lot of technology and and very cool things that have been happening in the podcasting 2.0 world which allow all of this to happen. But there is a burning question at this, which is you need to ask and this is the biggest thing to get over. I've talked about this previously, but I have had some suggestions from listeners. I think it was Jean Bean and someone else as well, maybe who were asking for a compilation of values and value pitches of how okay, how are the best people doing this? What are some tactics, some techniques I need to think about when I'm doing this?
I have already somewhat covered this in season two, but I'm going to do another version here. So what I've done is I went to the hot on fountain chart to basically you can kind of see Fountain, one of the podcasting apps. They have their own method of showcasing which shows are popular just based on how much support. And in this case it's satoshis coming in from from their listeners and they create a little chart for themselves. So I went to that and I chose four that were basically near the top of it, but that I hadn't already covered in season two because you might just be hearing the same sort of pitch again.
So where what we're going to do for this episode, we'll listen to those back to back and then I'll let you know who they were so you can have a little guesstimate and see if you're if you're aware of what's going on in value for value in some of these shows. And then I'll do a little bit analysis of them, some takeaways from that before we get into our own sections here. At the end of support, some tips, some application, some service highlights, and some of all of my own. So I'm going to play this section here. We're going to listen to this for about 5 minutes and then yeah, we'll do a little bit of analysis.
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It wasn't a big support week. Now you think about what the Dad Pod's doing here, helping you sort out the things coming down the pipe and thinking about Bitcoin in the right way. It's a pretty big value. So if you've gotten some value from the show, please consider sending it back. You can use a new podcast app. The podcast app WSJ.com Fountain has a 1.0 just around the corner. It's really cooking up. Pod fans is coming along. Pod versus developer has now gone full time for at least the next three months. They left their day job and they're going all in on pod versus.
The apps are really human these days. If you haven't checked them out in a while. Wait, Pod verse was a part time project? Yeah, him and his brother were there. And then of course, community contributions. So much came from the JP community. But yeah, otherwise I know he's been working on it for years and years and so he's going to really try to to make it sing for a bit. It's just such an exciting time for those apps. So if you haven't tried them, it's great cause they got the boost button right there. Otherwise get Alby top it off directly, either in the app using the muun pay or you can do on chain or robots ads or lightning, whatever you want.
Just get out. Become the new boost from the indexes website or Fountain FM. You can also boost from their website. Now we'll have links in the show notes. Thank you everybody who boosted it. And we had seven boosters and we stacked 23,320 $0.02 total. I have to say this felt like kind of a light week. So a light boost week doesn't make me feel guilty, you know, But that's for last week. This week, I know this was for last week. If you guys need to give me a get up, you could pick it out. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, you know, and we maybe we should think about what we should ask people to boost in about because, like we talked about Sam, I'd like to know if they if they'd prefer.
We just don't bother covering that, you know, this is getting covered. Or do they want to hear a take on it? Those types of things are always things are welcome for boost. So here's something the show and you want to hear more of it or less of it send it in generally via boost. We take that very seriously. It really encourages us and any value from Value podcast Curry & The Keeper: I was listening to Living up on. Have you heard the latest Living Up and Down that. Yeah, they have like the the donation the notes segment is good. People are sending in great booster grounds, nice free.
I can feel how encouraging it is for them. That's good. So that's kind of the unique part of this is you can press a button in a in a modern podcast app which you can find it, podcast apps dot com try fountain or pod verse or custom attic curio casts or podcast guru, podcast addict. There's so many of them and you can send a message with it. So it's kind of it's double and you can, you can use numerology which people find fun and you can send little pieces of Bitcoin which can even be as low as, you know, less than a penny if you want. We encourage you to send more or it's time talent and treasure.
Yeah, we love our wine. We love what what Brian and T.J. do, what Craig does, All of it contributes to the nation. We appreciate all of that.
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And and the difference with value for value versus a paywall concept is this idea is that you put the information out there because information wants to be free regardless, and it's going to be free regardless. And it doesn't matter how much DRM you put on it. People are going to take a screenshot and shared on Tik Tok and Twitter and everything and you put the information out there and if people want to give you value, they can send you Bitcoin and you reduce that friction to the point where it's convenient for them to do. It doesn't cost them that much to do it.
People will actually go and do it. So I think I think the low hanging fruit, the first step is micro paywalls and we're going to see that first because New York Times or whatnot are not going to switch to a value for value model and then ultimately what we will see is we will see content creators. If that's at the end of the day, New York Times wants to call themselves a paper record. They're just a glorified content creator. Content creators that are doing value for value will get more more Bitcoin for it than than if you do paywalls.
As always, Freaks still dispatches supported by viewers like you. What is this? PBS? We do not have ads or sponsors. We rely on your Bitcoin donations value for value. We just talked about it. You can support the show via podcasting to point out you can support the show via our announced our live stream. You can support the show via our dedicated donation page, all powered by Bitcoin. All the links are at. citadeldispatch.com
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pivoted into a show with no donors. Yes, well there there are a couple today, but that's just too We haven't had a show in like a month. So there's a few that trickle in which is beautiful. And we appreciate everybody that supports the show. But I would recommend if you have a podcasting 2.0 app, make sure that you are subscribed to us there. That way, if we are going live, your device should tell you like, Wow, hey, guess what? These guys are doing the show and also watch things like No agenda. So although that's harder to do, catch something off or at the last minute saying we're going live in 10 minutes, that's a little harder.
So I would suggest getting a podcasting 2.0 app if you can. And then when we can, if we have something scheduled enough in advance, we'll let you know when it's going to be. Just don't expect it Wednesdays at 1 p.m. on the regular for the next bit. Let's thank our value for value supporters for this show, especially since they haven't said show in a while now. Yeah, I love the show. I mean, sometimes it takes not doing a show for three weeks in order to get the donations in, but if you want to help support the show and again, we're kind of on hiatus right now, but that doesn't mean we're not doing the shows you if you missed the whole front of the show, go back and listen to that.
You can go to grumpy old beds dot com slash donate All of the information is there for this show.
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Okay brilliant. So we had a few shows there in particular which I took some snippets from and I'll just mention I somewhat for the last two also did a little bit of editing just so I could get their compilation pitches all in one segment because they kind of split it up. So the first topic that I have got out from this was from the first show there, which was how to get extra value. So that first show that we were listening to was the Bitcoin Dad Pod, and that episode in particular was called Trial Gate, and all of these were from their most recent episodes.
And what I wanted to say was, you know, many people use Patreon, for example, because it's a way to store the bonus files and behind the scenes, this is the incentive for someone who is listening in on to the show. It's like, Oh yeah, come join you on Patron, because you get all of these extra things. And so that's what patrons business model is. They just host those extra things which are relatively easy to and then they get a percentage of the support that that is coming in. Now the extra incentive is, is a critical piece of that. And what you can kind of see with that is you pay and then you get the extra.
That's how the patron model works. You pay you or maybe you get like a slight, you know, a little taste of of what this person is putting up extra, whether it be an extra episode behind the scenes art. And they you know, this isn't just for podcasters, this is for all sorts of creators. This is actually inverted, I think, with podcasting 2.0 in the app. So for example, with POD fans, you get extra just by joining onto Pod fans and recommending you listeners to go there. And then the paying is just built right there within the app.
So if you go to POD fans, for example, for this show, you're going to get chapters, you're going to get transcripts. I know Sam is working on along with a lot of the apps and working all these other cool things, like having the boosta gram messages shop as chapters within the actual in there without me having to do it individually based on a timestamp of when they're sending it in. It's so, so like there's so much cool stuff going on and it's, it's there. So funnily enough, I would argue that the, the patron service itself is a, is a downgraded experience.
I've used it myself. I think the app and the the website are awful. I it, it pains me to have to use them but it was because they had that extra stuff from this and in particular it was Andre Antonopoulos who was talking about Bitcoin. And I went there just, just for him and I just couldn't do it. So what we saw there with the Bitcoin Dad podcast, he's highlighting, you know, go over the pod verse and tune in to us here because you will get a better experience there and this is where you can also support me. So part of the ask is making it easier for your audience, and we'll talk about that in a little bit more.
But this is it's this essential aspect of, okay, the extra value you need, this incentive for for supporting the show. You know, you get some value, you want a little bit of extra value. This is the thing that will tip you over into being an actual supporter. Go over to this app and you will get a better experience. So that is one of the the techniques I think that is is very useful. The second show that we heard there was carrying the keeper from the episode puffer and what you saw as they list off a lot of names and recommendations. So one of the things that I detest just in life is is people who who talk the talk but don't walk the walk.
And so if you don't eat your own dog food, if you don't test these things out, I really don't think that you have the the right to to ask people to go to these different places. Hence why I've never set up a patron because I personally just find it gross Like I can't I can't use that service. So what we saw that with with Adam and his his wife Tina, was like, how how can they reasonably ask you to donate if I'm not doing the same thing myself? So this is where it's like the mentality is that everybody wins. And so you saw he was recommending a bunch of different podcasts and he was listing out names of people who have contributed.
It's not like someone contributes in and then you you kind of like there's this somewhat this mentality that I hear of. You don't want to read out how much support you're getting in, because if people hear it, then they're going to think, Oh, they're already getting enough. I don't need to support them. I think that's the wrong mentality to have, because if I don't think that's how it actually happens, I think if someone he is are getting in a ridiculous amount of support and they decide not to support because of that, they're not the person who's going to support anyway.
So even if you weren't listing out how much you got, I don't think that the type, because then you could just assume all the they're hiding how much they're they're actually receiving because it's so much input or support. Anyway, you, you get it you could, you could throw it both ways. And in either case this person, this hypothetical person you're imagining is not going to support you. Now, what I've found in reality is that I get inspired. If I see someone boost in 222,222 to a show that's like, goddamn, this person was really value this show. It makes me it's an incentive for me to to boost and even more to either best them or to to try and match that same level of like, hey, these people are supporting like, you know, that there's the support coming in and they deserve more because you can see, because they're getting a lot.
So this is why I think it's important to talk about other podcast apps that are great and even people who have helped. You know, this is while I'll shout out Sam Sethi for for tuning in live and sending through some some live boost and interacting with me, you know, that is such a critical part of this. And so what we saw that with with Adam Curry and and with Tina is it's important to obviously recognise the people who are ascending in support, showing that appreciation. But then I think just going that extra step of being like, you know, this particular person did something that I really enjoyed and it doesn't have to be monetarily was he was talking about people who were sending in chapter art or sending in through a bottle of wine or something like that.
You know, it's it's all of these little differences and being generous with your like your acknowledgement of that, I think is the way to go rather than trying to nail it all down and be like, secretive about it. Kind of coming back to transparency, which I've talked about a fair few times before. The next show that we had there was Citadel Dispatch. So this was Matt O'Dell and he had a guest on. So this was CD 112 Lightning Node Security with Ken of the VLS project. And then I think that was even a bit more so with his show. I have heard of him before.
I've tuned in a couple of times to the Citadel Dispatch. It's a Bitcoin show and he is very much a getting to the heart of like the ethics of it. He's he's not a price sort of guy. He doesn't care about those sort of things. He's very much of like, this is what I can do to improve the world. And I think what we saw with his little pitch there was he was talking about why it's important, why it's going to succeed, this being listener support rather than the ad models and why it makes for a better show if people support into it. So you know why this show in particular needs support and and this will vary based on the show.
So for example, with no agenda with Adam Curry, he was him and John C Dvorak, they it's a central pitch of the show. It's called No Agenda. They are meant to have no agenda coming into it. They're not meant to be influenced by outside forces, which is very much what advertising and sponsorships and things will do of that nature. So, you know, basically you're trying to explain why this method makes sense and is super important. So I think this is this is where the highlighting can also get onto a couple of things I talked about in season one of are you you kind of almost need to threaten.
It's like, hey, if you're not supporting the show, the show is going to go away, you know, like I'm doing this solely through listener support. And look, you don't have to do it solely through that. There are alternative methods. But as we're talking about, like in the last show, talking about some stats or the one before that I should say where I was listing out some stats, the ones the shows that tend to do better are ones which go all in on value for value, and that's just just how it works. If you're going all in on it, it makes sense. And so yeah, I think it's important to to highlight in your ask why it's important to to donate and why you for your particular show.
It's it's critical. So for this value for value show I'm never going to do ads, no sponsorship, so I'm relying solely on your support. I would love to make this my full time job. At the moment, I'm not even close to that. And what I am doing though, is, is at the point where it's covering costs for everything, which is super great. And I'm trying to improve this by doing live, doing all of these new things, such as being able to to play audio while live. That was a new experience for me today. All of these sorts of things are critical for me to make a better show and and then make the product better for you to be able to support back.
And if you don't donate, this show will go away at some point because I will just have to eventually find a normal job, I guess, or go back into the mining industry and and all those sorts of things. So once again, very important that you highlight why people need to donate. In the last year we had there was Grumpy Old Bens with their very amusing show title A Virgin Accountants. And what I took most from that little pitch that they had there was you got to make it easy. And so you'll notice that in many of the the ones that were just listing then, so certainly the Bitcoin Tide pod and also Citadel Dispatch right at the end, they were saying like, Hey, there's this website page you can go to.
So for Grumpy old Benders, grumpy old Ben scum slash donate and going there is where you can have basically every mentor under the sun. So I went to their their website and they had multiple QR code links for different cryptocurrencies to donate and they had a PayPal link. They had a physical address where you could send something in. They had explainers of why it's important to to donate it. And so this is where I think, you know, links to the podcast cost index as well. I know people are working on buttons to be able to boost on your website as well, on any page, on your website and to still maintain the splits and things like this.
It's important that you make it easy for your audience to be able to donate. So for example, if you had like a link to a Kickstarter and you're like, Okay, to find this link, go onto my Instagram and then I've got a link tree on there. And then in the link tree you'll find the link to my Kickstarter. That's like five different three steps to to get to. In this case, it's it's important to make it easy. So make it easy. If you're don't know about understanding all these boots and things, go to meer portals podcast dot com. I support I've got to run through there of my guide on the apps which I did last week that's now YouTube embed on that site.
I've got the links to the different apps that you can use. I've got how you can do it. I've got a little explanation of why what a Satoshi is and why Bitcoin is important. And I've also got a PayPal link. It's so it's like I'm doing basically everything I can to just make it easy for you and for my audience to to be able to support in. And so I think this is a pretty critical aspect where if you want someone to support, don't don't make them have to do seven different things. Don't make them have to join up to this place to then be able to link over to here, to then eventually get to your patron, you know, suggest an app, suggest a recommendation.
One of the things that Chris Fischer does on his show is Bitcoin dad as well. It's like, hey, you know, try out all of these apps if you want to keep your app. I get it. It's, you know, it's one of those things you can grow attached to if your app doesn't have isn't adopting this, which they probably will at some point. But if it isn't one on the leading edge, then go to the podcast index and boost in there. Or you could go into Jupiter Broadcasting and there's ways to support that. So just giving lots of options and the easy a breadth of options going from easiest to hardest I think is something that is pretty important to do.
So my last little one here is, I suppose is just specificity and this is just related to all of them being specific with how people can support you. So the common parlance for this is the call to action. And this is why you hear many new podcasters talking about leave me a review and Apple, it's really important, really helps a lot. It doesn't help a lot. The only reason that they say that is because they they don't actually know what they want. So this is a this does nothing. And it's just not you know, this is a snapshot, I guess, of of what I would just recommend.
In general, the specificity is if you go back to episode 17 of season one or episode 38 of season two, you'll get a full sum up of all the asks and the broad learnings of how you can do this. And so being specific with what you want. And you could hear, for example, on the Bitcoin D&D little episode that I played there, he was saying, you know, if do do you care about this particular thing, this topic that we've talked about? I would love to know if you do or don't and if and that was a very specific thing that he asked for. And so I sent him in a message saying like, you know what, I don't really care for that topic too much.
I'd prefer if you talked about these sort of ones that don't have to do that. But if they're asking for it, it gives me that option to to donate. And it's a reason to. So, you know, this is where there's all sorts of other things like numerology and stuff like that. You're basically just looking for people are very varied. And I know, for example, for myself, there was this blogger who I've followed for ages, a long, long time, multiple years, and I'd never supported him. I saw his ask for support, probably hundreds if not thousands of times at the bottom of his of his blog posts.
And then one day that was just a thing that he said. In particular, it was related to I think he was he had like this shirt and it was just like, hey, you know, by the way, another way you can support is by buying a shirt. And even though the shirt cost, you know, twice as much as a normal one did, this was the thing that put me over the edge of being like, you know what? I've gotten so much value from this dude. Like, the very least I can do is buy a shirt from him. And so, you know, he would have made some money from that more if I'd just donated that to him in exact that same amount.
But it was that little thing that tipped me over the edge to got to get there. And so being wide with that, but also specific in terms of like, Hey, you can support me by buying a shirt that was the thing that got me there. So something to consider as well for when you're talking to your audiences, making it broad, making them have lots of easy options to be able to do it, why it's important for them to do it. Being generous with your your recommendations of of how someone can do it, or particular people who have done something, the ways to get that extra value.
And then also in the midst of all that being specific in terms of you can support me by doing this very exact thing, if you want a memorial shirt, which this Value for value podcast is under, if you donate 100,000 stats, we will send a shirt your way no matter where you are in the world. We don't even make money from it. So this is just one way of of getting some support of like, hey, if this is the thing that tipped you over the edge into supporting, please do it. And you know, if you support 100,000 to this show, this is that is included into into that little offering there.
I suppose so yeah. There we go. That's the little compilation pitch that I've done. Jean Bean I hope you enjoyed that. And yeah, just another little shout out to Sam Sethi in the Boosta gram Lounge for, for tuning in, even though it's 2 a.m. in Turin. Very much appreciated. And speaking of the Boosta gram Lounge, I'm going to go to there. But once again, so this is another shout out to someone who has helped me in the past. And this is Adam Curry. The jingle music that you hear for the Boosta Gram Lounge. He created that multiple times and he created multiple ones from that.
So instead of my my normal one, I'm going to play you three of them here. And. Yeah, well will enjoy those. So tune into the intro music for the BoostaGram Lounge.
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Welcome to the Value for Value BoostaGram. Lounge. Have a Hookah. Welcome to the. Value for Value. BoostaGram Lounge. Ello is totally insane is about you for your. Boosta Gram Lounge have had.
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Oh my God. There's a reason why I don't play that first and last one. It's too much. But yes, that was the intro to the Boosta Gram Lounge. Thank you very much. And coming into the live boost here, we see Sam Sethi with 8500 SATs and he says want a shirt sent using POD fans. Thank you very much, Sam. So I'll have to go check on the leaderboard again to to where exactly you are in terms of the 100,000 but 8500, that's putting you, you know, 1/10 of the way there. So just keep that coming through and very much appreciate it. I only do it for the actual boost messages sent in not not SAT payments with the streaming amounts because it's just it would be an absolute nightmare to calculate that.
So little caveat here. It's just for the the boost amounts there. I'm going to jump back into this last portion of last week. And we did have three messages coming in. One of those once again being from Sam Sethi, and he says, I love the episode. Great review of the new podcast apps. Keep up the great work on educating the world on v4v 850 sent using POD fans. Thank you very much. But fans once again a great app would recommend checking it out. He's on the bleeding edge and all this cool stuff is happening and it's becoming part of my regular routine to use pod phone, so definitely recommend checking Not out, of course. I'm going to say that though.
We've got midst here though. This is the owner of Pod verse. He says, Thanks so much for covering pod person. All you contribute to podcasting 2.0. I love hot android auto and seasonal support. Coming soon to pod verse. Of course there are 10,000 songs sent using pod verse. Yeah. Oh, thank you very much Mr. Mitch de Yep. Once again, he's going full time on that for, for a bit. And so you're going to see lots of cool stuff coming out from Pod verse. And then finally we had Jason from Podcast Guru just as great. Episode 9999 sent using podcast Guru Thank you.
You know, the app developer is really important for my show. The mere Mortals. I've got I think five or six of them in the in the splits. And, and it's important to me that I help contribute to the people who are helping to be able to contribute back to me a little bit harder for this show. So I just do it over there on that one, but it's very much appreciated. And yeah, once again, the reason I do all of this stuff is because I think value for value is is going to be just as important as open sources to the world. For example, moving forward.
The the main problem, a lot of the problems I see with social media, for example, is driven just by the advertising models and so I think having a way for people to connect, to peer to peer send money directly, it doesn't matter where they are in the world. If there's an Iranian and they want to send me money, that's totally fine. I'm not in the U.S., so I don't know how strict our money controls are, but I've tried to send just, you know, 25 bucks to once again talking about shirts, try to send $25 to a bank account in the U.K. You know that my brethren, Sam Sethi, is but practically related.
And sending a a small payment like that just to a bank account was an absolute nightmare. Took multiple hours of effort. So doing it through Bitcoin, doing it through a podcasting app is so much better, easier and I think is definitely the future, which is why I continue to cover all of these sorts of things. Okay, let's jump on to the tips section and I've been kind of collecting another we're doing a compilation episode, so let's keep going it on a compilation of tips that I've just collected here, my little notes for this past while I was going to bring them up at some point, but I just never it didn't really fit in.
So once again, compilation makes sense to do it here. So I've got five extra tips that I've got for you here, which we didn't see highlighted in those, some in those that actual clip compilation. So number one, numerology, I think this one's self-explanatory. If someone has a number that is important to them, it can actually be useful in saying like, Hey, if you send this in, this is this is what this means. And it's just it's just a fun way of doing things. I, for example, almost always boost in a row of Ducks 2222 because the number two looks like a duck.
You know, I get it. It doesn't actually look like a duck, but it's kind of funny. And it's an amount which feels good for me because when I do the math, I'm like, you know, if I listen to this show that's about a, you know, with the amount, I'm streaming in as well and Bruce that I send in, that is equal to about an Australian dollar. When I send that in, you know, I'm going to be listening to probably this show weekly, maybe even more than weekly. That's going to be 50 to 100 bucks a year. You know what? That's a that's an amount that I feel justifies listening to this show.
And so the to 2 to 2 is I don't really mean anything. It's just it's a nice amount. But the encouragement to boost in for a special anniversary for the Miyamoto's, we had 400 episodes, so people were sending in a bunch of fours. One had a baby and so we had the baby boost the 3838, which one of our listeners Peter really enjoys, and that's the one that he sends in most, most nowadays. All of these sorts of things I hope to on the one of the git hubs I helped update the booster grand list, which includes a lot of the reasons that you'll see these numbers in on the Bitcoin tide and a lot of other Chris Fisher's those people send in the zip code boost.
So you know, it'll be like 18 730 or something like that. And then it's kind of like, ooh, where are they in the world? Let's try and find that out. Oh, they're in Germany. Oh, they're in here. So you can do that wherever you are in the world as well. And it's, it's just finding a number which is important. So once again, highlighting the numerology gamification, it's pretty important. Pop fans, you see, Sam is trying to do that and make it fun to experiment with the app. Oh, I can send in a boost and get some extra stats. Oh, I can try creating a clip, I get some extra stats.
That's pretty cool. So doing that within the actual app itself. And then as in terms of me as a podcaster, you know, I know Adam Curry on on this show Curry in The Keeper, he was doing double boost for a certain period. So if you boost two then 3000 it would count as 6000. I don't know if he had a leaderboard, I don't know if that was. It was more just to be like, yeah, if you if you donate this, you can get acknowledgement as an executive producer instead of just a producer. All of these things triggering a gin jingle, getting a shot, you know, leaderboards.
There's a leaderboard on Miyamoto's podcast dot com such support you can see where you rank in terms of people they're in the top five. We we put like an an image with the face on it and things like that. So extra extra highlighting of people who are doing it. I know Sam is is also in POD fans he's doing like this kind of pod fan, super fan leaderboard, sort of thing. There's all sorts of cool stuff going on. So gamification super important. I mentioned this before, but value for value and Bitcoin is not an either or. They can exist, coexist alongside each other along with advertising and fiat.
There's also the room for kind of hard standpoints like myself, which is can be a bit of a differentiator. But the showcasing the support, it's not like your call to action has to only be, oh, support me via this way. You know, I only enjoy Fiat, I only enjoy toys. So you have to do it via PayPal or something like that. Now, you know, include include those extra options if you don't have a strong reason, not to. I have a very strong reason why I don't have a patron set up. So so I don't do that, even though I know there are people who have told me they would support via Patreon if I had it.
That's one of those things you got to make the decision yourself. Generally, it's better to to have more, but if you want to be a bit more strict on it and have a preference, I certainly have a preference for booster grams via PayPal, but I do have a PayPal set up and it's in the show notes. If you want to use it, you know, please, please donate via there and I'll acknowledge you just as much as as I do for for a booster. Graham Giving a reason why someone should contribute, even if it's really tenuous, I think helps So if you've got a charity drive, if you've got a target goal to activate the boost bot, which they do, and behind the schemes, if it's your birthday, if it's an anniversary coming up, just giving people a reason to once again, this is getting into the kind of specificity, the call to action, the making it easy portion.
If you just make it easy, even if it's there's this great stuff from psychology where basically if you have like a line up, they did this with people at uni university students waiting to use printer. So if you've ever been to university, you know the printer is always just chock a block full of people wanting to use it in the library. And what they did was they'd be this long line up and they'd have someone cut in right near the front. And one day they did a couple of options. One would be like if they just cut in one the aisle and without saying anything, another one would be cutting in with the excuse of like, Hey, excuse me, I'm running a bit late behind.
I really need to jump in. Can I just jump in here? And then the third option was just saying like, Hey, excuse me, do you mind if I go in front of you? I need to use the printer. And funnily enough, the one of the the, the big long winded excuse of, you know, I, I needed to do this, this sort of thing. And the excuse of like, excuse me, I just, I need to use the printer. They worked kind of equally as well in terms of people allowing them to come in, which is really funny because obviously they need to use printer. It's just self-explanatory, but it's just, it's almost like the magical act of saying, Hey, I need to do this thing, donate it just there's something in our brains which is like, Oh, okay, yeah, that's okay, that's fine.
I'll help you out with regards to that. So if I have a target that I want to reach to for this episode, so let's just say it's 40,000. I'd love to get 40,000 coming in for this loss. This episode, even if there's no reason in terms of like, obviously the more is better. And if I was only getting like 3000 before that, there's something about just having a target and saying I want more, which is like people would be like, Oh, okay, I'll send you more. So just having any reason to be honest can actually help. And then the last one I had here was share praise and celebrate the big wins.
So, you know, the more boosts that come in, the more people also want to join in. It's this weird cycle where if you hear a show with 50 boosts in it, getting close to like the podcasting 2.0 level of they read out a lot of messages. This is where it it's whatever your intuitions are in regards that all if they're getting lots of boost I won't send one in they don't need it that that's that's just wrong it's that's not how people think it's it's it's more encouraging and the people who do think like that they're not going to send it in any way. So it's very much you got to have this mentality of like people are generally good, the pie grows and you're not, you know, if I get more boosts in on this show, it's not because I'm stealing them from another person.
So if if you have that sort of mentality, that's value for value is not going to really work out for you. You now, it can be hard at the start when you don't have many people boosting in. So this is when you have to hustle for those family and friend connections to to jump start it. I know in America plus cold McCormack is boost in a fair few times he was getting like his mum and his girlfriend to boost in you know that that is I think super valid and also necessary at times so yeah that's that that another little compilation section there of some additional things to think about when you're when you're doing your ask my apps service highlight for today.
Look there's quite a few guides out there on not only how to to boost in and how to receive listener support. That whole last episode I did was all around this but on how to ask as well. So I'm just going to give a couple of those. You'll see in the show notes, some some links for these. So Fountain did a webinar with Ask.com without talking about how you can do this. They also had Chris Fisher on as a as a guest. They're obviously someone who knows how how to do this because multiples of his shows are right up there in terms of the the most popular ones getting lots of support value for value dot info.
This is Adam Curry's website explaining it real nice shot and to the point reasons of how you do it, why you do it, what to expect get Albee has a great blog at its blog don't get all become which does this and look a lot of the hosting companies that are enabling V for they have some sort of guidelines or not only on how to implement it just as a podcast, but also how to ask your audience. So you'll find this like either on their Twitter accounts Pod fans, I know it has this and it explains why it's important. I know Blueberry has their own blog and podcast where they've also got very similar things going on. So if you are wondering, you know, perhaps listening to a value for value podcast isn't for you, perhaps you want to do it a different way.
Look, there's there's plenty of other options in terms of video, in terms of text where you can read about how to do this as well. But I think a compilation like I did today was also helpful just in terms of setting the tone. And you can also see all of these shows were different. You know, one was two, multiple of them were like conversational ones. One was like, you know, people to speaking into Mike that the topics could be about Bitcoin topics could be about, you know, family, religion, God could be talking about just random politics and stuff.
It doesn't really matter the show, It's just about how how you ask your audience for value and that of course, that you're providing something that is valuable that people want to listen to. Okay, nice. We're at our rough cut off minute of the 45 minute mark. So today, my 15% of value for value, I'm going to give to all of the Clippers. So that was about five of them or five main value blocks that I've seen. So I'm going to give 3% to each of them. And yeah, was able to split this up roughly on what is in their feeds. Perhaps in the future I could do value time splits.
So for those minute long sections I could create in those chapters, I could have the value time slot. I'm with Blueberry at the moment, so I'm not able to do that. But it is kind of fun to be able to just create a compilation or have some songs or something like that to be able to to use and then be able to do this. So, you know, for this value time splits in the future, will this turn into like maybe I'll start to add a little bit of music into the show, You know, potentially. Potentially. I got to think about it. It's a it's a lot of work, but I'm really enjoying doing these sorts of things and testing and experimenting.
So we'll will have a look with that. So you have 15% to them, value for value. This is the value for value. So and I've run this model. So there's three, I suppose, ways to, to contribute back the time, talent and treasure time share this episode with the digital creator. I think that's probably the most important thing you could do If someone is struggling to realise how they can do it, send them this episode in particular and say like, Hey, here's here's a compilation of people doing it once again. I would also recommend checking out season two because that's where I was really focusing on podcasting and podcasters and creating clips and a very similar thing to what I was doing in today's episode.
So going back to season two was also helpful and come join me live. I love having Sam Sethi here listening in. It's very much appreciated. I know Juan, my co-host, was also listening in for a while. It's it's so much fun to have like these little interactions. So I'm live on a ten Australian Eastern Standard Time. Typically it has been on a Wednesday, so this would be UTC midnight. I'm going to always be at this UTC. You see, I would say UTC, you see universal coordinated time midnight. So wherever you are in the world, you know, in the plus or minus just plus or minus that off from from midnight and then that's the time that I'll be going live.
So Sam is obviously said it was 2 a.m. where he was at, so he was obviously at a negative to not know sorry plus two plus two from wherever he is in Italy in Turin. So yeah, join me in on those schedules. Slightly changed in the future, but it'll always be at roughly that time. So check out your podcasting app for the live night notification talent. Is there anything I can do to make this show better? What annoys you? Is there any topics, things that you really want me to consider? I did this episode in particular because I had someone who was wanting a compilation, so I created that and I hope that they they got a lot of value from that and I hope you do as well.
So that would be great. Just having some recommendations where what do you really want me to focus on in terms of the value for value? This is more of an educational show than anything else. And then finally, treasure. There's three options. Try out one of the new podcasting apps. Go to the last episode and pick one of those eight that I listed there and you know, send me in a boost via that. You can also go to the podcast index website type in value, then the number four and or just even type in my name, Kyron K, y, I and, and I'll pop up pretty quickly you can boost and then that acknowledges all the splits as well.
And then finally you can do this via at memorials podcast dot com slash support And then I've got the PayPal link there. I've got all of the other you know you're able to boost in via directly onto there as well. So a lot of things you can you can do and I just want to thank you for for joining me into this episode. Two more episodes for this season and then I will wrap it up. Probably have a little bit of a break, maybe a couple of weeks break and then come back in through season four because I am really having a lot of fun with this show.
So we'll leave it there. Thank you everyone for joining me and chat for now until the next time, Kyrin out.
What techniques do you need to consider when asking for contribution? Welcome everyone to another episode of the Value for Value Podcast. I'm your host, Kyrin Down, host of the Mere Mortals and Mere Mortals book reviews as well. But this is the podcast for digital content creators who want to connect deeper with their audience and also be able to monetise at the same time without the use of having to resort to ads, dynamic ad insertion or host raids or sponsorships or anything like that. Now this is the way where you can do this all directly from your fans, which is an amazing thing.
And there's a lot of technology and and very cool things that have been happening in the podcasting 2.0 world which allow all of this to happen. But there is a burning question at this, which is you need to ask and this is the biggest thing to get over. I've talked about this previously, but I have had some suggestions from listeners. I think it was Jean Bean and someone else as well, maybe who were asking for a compilation of values and value pitches of how okay, how are the best people doing this? What are some tactics, some techniques I need to think about when I'm doing this?
I have already somewhat covered this in season two, but I'm going to do another version here. So what I've done is I went to the hot on fountain chart to basically you can kind of see Fountain, one of the podcasting apps. They have their own method of showcasing which shows are popular just based on how much support. And in this case it's satoshis coming in from from their listeners and they create a little chart for themselves. So I went to that and I chose four that were basically near the top of it, but that I hadn't already covered in season two because you might just be hearing the same sort of pitch again.
So where what we're going to do for this episode, we'll listen to those back to back and then I'll let you know who they were so you can have a little guesstimate and see if you're if you're aware of what's going on in value for value in some of these shows. And then I'll do a little bit analysis of them, some takeaways from that before we get into our own sections here. At the end of support, some tips, some application, some service highlights, and some of all of my own. So I'm going to play this section here. We're going to listen to this for about 5 minutes and then yeah, we'll do a little bit of analysis.
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It wasn't a big support week. Now you think about what the Dad Pod's doing here, helping you sort out the things coming down the pipe and thinking about Bitcoin in the right way. It's a pretty big value. So if you've gotten some value from the show, please consider sending it back. You can use a new podcast app. The podcast app WSJ.com Fountain has a 1.0 just around the corner. It's really cooking up. Pod fans is coming along. Pod versus developer has now gone full time for at least the next three months. They left their day job and they're going all in on pod versus.
The apps are really human these days. If you haven't checked them out in a while. Wait, Pod verse was a part time project? Yeah, him and his brother were there. And then of course, community contributions. So much came from the JP community. But yeah, otherwise I know he's been working on it for years and years and so he's going to really try to to make it sing for a bit. It's just such an exciting time for those apps. So if you haven't tried them, it's great cause they got the boost button right there. Otherwise get Alby top it off directly, either in the app using the muun pay or you can do on chain or robots ads or lightning, whatever you want.
Just get out. Become the new boost from the indexes website or Fountain FM. You can also boost from their website. Now we'll have links in the show notes. Thank you everybody who boosted it. And we had seven boosters and we stacked 23,320 $0.02 total. I have to say this felt like kind of a light week. So a light boost week doesn't make me feel guilty, you know, But that's for last week. This week, I know this was for last week. If you guys need to give me a get up, you could pick it out. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, you know, and we maybe we should think about what we should ask people to boost in about because, like we talked about Sam, I'd like to know if they if they'd prefer.
We just don't bother covering that, you know, this is getting covered. Or do they want to hear a take on it? Those types of things are always things are welcome for boost. So here's something the show and you want to hear more of it or less of it send it in generally via boost. We take that very seriously. It really encourages us and any value from Value podcast Curry & The Keeper: I was listening to Living up on. Have you heard the latest Living Up and Down that. Yeah, they have like the the donation the notes segment is good. People are sending in great booster grounds, nice free.
I can feel how encouraging it is for them. That's good. So that's kind of the unique part of this is you can press a button in a in a modern podcast app which you can find it, podcast apps dot com try fountain or pod verse or custom attic curio casts or podcast guru, podcast addict. There's so many of them and you can send a message with it. So it's kind of it's double and you can, you can use numerology which people find fun and you can send little pieces of Bitcoin which can even be as low as, you know, less than a penny if you want. We encourage you to send more or it's time talent and treasure.
Yeah, we love our wine. We love what what Brian and T.J. do, what Craig does, All of it contributes to the nation. We appreciate all of that.
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And and the difference with value for value versus a paywall concept is this idea is that you put the information out there because information wants to be free regardless, and it's going to be free regardless. And it doesn't matter how much DRM you put on it. People are going to take a screenshot and shared on Tik Tok and Twitter and everything and you put the information out there and if people want to give you value, they can send you Bitcoin and you reduce that friction to the point where it's convenient for them to do. It doesn't cost them that much to do it.
People will actually go and do it. So I think I think the low hanging fruit, the first step is micro paywalls and we're going to see that first because New York Times or whatnot are not going to switch to a value for value model and then ultimately what we will see is we will see content creators. If that's at the end of the day, New York Times wants to call themselves a paper record. They're just a glorified content creator. Content creators that are doing value for value will get more more Bitcoin for it than than if you do paywalls.
As always, Freaks still dispatches supported by viewers like you. What is this? PBS? We do not have ads or sponsors. We rely on your Bitcoin donations value for value. We just talked about it. You can support the show via podcasting to point out you can support the show via our announced our live stream. You can support the show via our dedicated donation page, all powered by Bitcoin. All the links are at. citadeldispatch.com
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pivoted into a show with no donors. Yes, well there there are a couple today, but that's just too We haven't had a show in like a month. So there's a few that trickle in which is beautiful. And we appreciate everybody that supports the show. But I would recommend if you have a podcasting 2.0 app, make sure that you are subscribed to us there. That way, if we are going live, your device should tell you like, Wow, hey, guess what? These guys are doing the show and also watch things like No agenda. So although that's harder to do, catch something off or at the last minute saying we're going live in 10 minutes, that's a little harder.
So I would suggest getting a podcasting 2.0 app if you can. And then when we can, if we have something scheduled enough in advance, we'll let you know when it's going to be. Just don't expect it Wednesdays at 1 p.m. on the regular for the next bit. Let's thank our value for value supporters for this show, especially since they haven't said show in a while now. Yeah, I love the show. I mean, sometimes it takes not doing a show for three weeks in order to get the donations in, but if you want to help support the show and again, we're kind of on hiatus right now, but that doesn't mean we're not doing the shows you if you missed the whole front of the show, go back and listen to that.
You can go to grumpy old beds dot com slash donate All of the information is there for this show.
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Okay brilliant. So we had a few shows there in particular which I took some snippets from and I'll just mention I somewhat for the last two also did a little bit of editing just so I could get their compilation pitches all in one segment because they kind of split it up. So the first topic that I have got out from this was from the first show there, which was how to get extra value. So that first show that we were listening to was the Bitcoin Dad Pod, and that episode in particular was called Trial Gate, and all of these were from their most recent episodes.
And what I wanted to say was, you know, many people use Patreon, for example, because it's a way to store the bonus files and behind the scenes, this is the incentive for someone who is listening in on to the show. It's like, Oh yeah, come join you on Patron, because you get all of these extra things. And so that's what patrons business model is. They just host those extra things which are relatively easy to and then they get a percentage of the support that that is coming in. Now the extra incentive is, is a critical piece of that. And what you can kind of see with that is you pay and then you get the extra.
That's how the patron model works. You pay you or maybe you get like a slight, you know, a little taste of of what this person is putting up extra, whether it be an extra episode behind the scenes art. And they you know, this isn't just for podcasters, this is for all sorts of creators. This is actually inverted, I think, with podcasting 2.0 in the app. So for example, with POD fans, you get extra just by joining onto Pod fans and recommending you listeners to go there. And then the paying is just built right there within the app.
So if you go to POD fans, for example, for this show, you're going to get chapters, you're going to get transcripts. I know Sam is working on along with a lot of the apps and working all these other cool things, like having the boosta gram messages shop as chapters within the actual in there without me having to do it individually based on a timestamp of when they're sending it in. It's so, so like there's so much cool stuff going on and it's, it's there. So funnily enough, I would argue that the, the patron service itself is a, is a downgraded experience.
I've used it myself. I think the app and the the website are awful. I it, it pains me to have to use them but it was because they had that extra stuff from this and in particular it was Andre Antonopoulos who was talking about Bitcoin. And I went there just, just for him and I just couldn't do it. So what we saw there with the Bitcoin Dad podcast, he's highlighting, you know, go over the pod verse and tune in to us here because you will get a better experience there and this is where you can also support me. So part of the ask is making it easier for your audience, and we'll talk about that in a little bit more.
But this is it's this essential aspect of, okay, the extra value you need, this incentive for for supporting the show. You know, you get some value, you want a little bit of extra value. This is the thing that will tip you over into being an actual supporter. Go over to this app and you will get a better experience. So that is one of the the techniques I think that is is very useful. The second show that we heard there was carrying the keeper from the episode puffer and what you saw as they list off a lot of names and recommendations. So one of the things that I detest just in life is is people who who talk the talk but don't walk the walk.
And so if you don't eat your own dog food, if you don't test these things out, I really don't think that you have the the right to to ask people to go to these different places. Hence why I've never set up a patron because I personally just find it gross Like I can't I can't use that service. So what we saw that with with Adam and his his wife Tina, was like, how how can they reasonably ask you to donate if I'm not doing the same thing myself? So this is where it's like the mentality is that everybody wins. And so you saw he was recommending a bunch of different podcasts and he was listing out names of people who have contributed.
It's not like someone contributes in and then you you kind of like there's this somewhat this mentality that I hear of. You don't want to read out how much support you're getting in, because if people hear it, then they're going to think, Oh, they're already getting enough. I don't need to support them. I think that's the wrong mentality to have, because if I don't think that's how it actually happens, I think if someone he is are getting in a ridiculous amount of support and they decide not to support because of that, they're not the person who's going to support anyway.
So even if you weren't listing out how much you got, I don't think that the type, because then you could just assume all the they're hiding how much they're they're actually receiving because it's so much input or support. Anyway, you, you get it you could, you could throw it both ways. And in either case this person, this hypothetical person you're imagining is not going to support you. Now, what I've found in reality is that I get inspired. If I see someone boost in 222,222 to a show that's like, goddamn, this person was really value this show. It makes me it's an incentive for me to to boost and even more to either best them or to to try and match that same level of like, hey, these people are supporting like, you know, that there's the support coming in and they deserve more because you can see, because they're getting a lot.
So this is why I think it's important to talk about other podcast apps that are great and even people who have helped. You know, this is while I'll shout out Sam Sethi for for tuning in live and sending through some some live boost and interacting with me, you know, that is such a critical part of this. And so what we saw that with with Adam Curry and and with Tina is it's important to obviously recognise the people who are ascending in support, showing that appreciation. But then I think just going that extra step of being like, you know, this particular person did something that I really enjoyed and it doesn't have to be monetarily was he was talking about people who were sending in chapter art or sending in through a bottle of wine or something like that.
You know, it's it's all of these little differences and being generous with your like your acknowledgement of that, I think is the way to go rather than trying to nail it all down and be like, secretive about it. Kind of coming back to transparency, which I've talked about a fair few times before. The next show that we had there was Citadel Dispatch. So this was Matt O'Dell and he had a guest on. So this was CD 112 Lightning Node Security with Ken of the VLS project. And then I think that was even a bit more so with his show. I have heard of him before.
I've tuned in a couple of times to the Citadel Dispatch. It's a Bitcoin show and he is very much a getting to the heart of like the ethics of it. He's he's not a price sort of guy. He doesn't care about those sort of things. He's very much of like, this is what I can do to improve the world. And I think what we saw with his little pitch there was he was talking about why it's important, why it's going to succeed, this being listener support rather than the ad models and why it makes for a better show if people support into it. So you know why this show in particular needs support and and this will vary based on the show.
So for example, with no agenda with Adam Curry, he was him and John C Dvorak, they it's a central pitch of the show. It's called No Agenda. They are meant to have no agenda coming into it. They're not meant to be influenced by outside forces, which is very much what advertising and sponsorships and things will do of that nature. So, you know, basically you're trying to explain why this method makes sense and is super important. So I think this is this is where the highlighting can also get onto a couple of things I talked about in season one of are you you kind of almost need to threaten.
It's like, hey, if you're not supporting the show, the show is going to go away, you know, like I'm doing this solely through listener support. And look, you don't have to do it solely through that. There are alternative methods. But as we're talking about, like in the last show, talking about some stats or the one before that I should say where I was listing out some stats, the ones the shows that tend to do better are ones which go all in on value for value, and that's just just how it works. If you're going all in on it, it makes sense. And so yeah, I think it's important to to highlight in your ask why it's important to to donate and why you for your particular show.
It's it's critical. So for this value for value show I'm never going to do ads, no sponsorship, so I'm relying solely on your support. I would love to make this my full time job. At the moment, I'm not even close to that. And what I am doing though, is, is at the point where it's covering costs for everything, which is super great. And I'm trying to improve this by doing live, doing all of these new things, such as being able to to play audio while live. That was a new experience for me today. All of these sorts of things are critical for me to make a better show and and then make the product better for you to be able to support back.
And if you don't donate, this show will go away at some point because I will just have to eventually find a normal job, I guess, or go back into the mining industry and and all those sorts of things. So once again, very important that you highlight why people need to donate. In the last year we had there was Grumpy Old Bens with their very amusing show title A Virgin Accountants. And what I took most from that little pitch that they had there was you got to make it easy. And so you'll notice that in many of the the ones that were just listing then, so certainly the Bitcoin Tide pod and also Citadel Dispatch right at the end, they were saying like, Hey, there's this website page you can go to.
So for Grumpy old Benders, grumpy old Ben scum slash donate and going there is where you can have basically every mentor under the sun. So I went to their their website and they had multiple QR code links for different cryptocurrencies to donate and they had a PayPal link. They had a physical address where you could send something in. They had explainers of why it's important to to donate it. And so this is where I think, you know, links to the podcast cost index as well. I know people are working on buttons to be able to boost on your website as well, on any page, on your website and to still maintain the splits and things like this.
It's important that you make it easy for your audience to be able to donate. So for example, if you had like a link to a Kickstarter and you're like, Okay, to find this link, go onto my Instagram and then I've got a link tree on there. And then in the link tree you'll find the link to my Kickstarter. That's like five different three steps to to get to. In this case, it's it's important to make it easy. So make it easy. If you're don't know about understanding all these boots and things, go to meer portals podcast dot com. I support I've got to run through there of my guide on the apps which I did last week that's now YouTube embed on that site.
I've got the links to the different apps that you can use. I've got how you can do it. I've got a little explanation of why what a Satoshi is and why Bitcoin is important. And I've also got a PayPal link. It's so it's like I'm doing basically everything I can to just make it easy for you and for my audience to to be able to support in. And so I think this is a pretty critical aspect where if you want someone to support, don't don't make them have to do seven different things. Don't make them have to join up to this place to then be able to link over to here, to then eventually get to your patron, you know, suggest an app, suggest a recommendation.
One of the things that Chris Fischer does on his show is Bitcoin dad as well. It's like, hey, you know, try out all of these apps if you want to keep your app. I get it. It's, you know, it's one of those things you can grow attached to if your app doesn't have isn't adopting this, which they probably will at some point. But if it isn't one on the leading edge, then go to the podcast index and boost in there. Or you could go into Jupiter Broadcasting and there's ways to support that. So just giving lots of options and the easy a breadth of options going from easiest to hardest I think is something that is pretty important to do.
So my last little one here is, I suppose is just specificity and this is just related to all of them being specific with how people can support you. So the common parlance for this is the call to action. And this is why you hear many new podcasters talking about leave me a review and Apple, it's really important, really helps a lot. It doesn't help a lot. The only reason that they say that is because they they don't actually know what they want. So this is a this does nothing. And it's just not you know, this is a snapshot, I guess, of of what I would just recommend.
In general, the specificity is if you go back to episode 17 of season one or episode 38 of season two, you'll get a full sum up of all the asks and the broad learnings of how you can do this. And so being specific with what you want. And you could hear, for example, on the Bitcoin D&D little episode that I played there, he was saying, you know, if do do you care about this particular thing, this topic that we've talked about? I would love to know if you do or don't and if and that was a very specific thing that he asked for. And so I sent him in a message saying like, you know what, I don't really care for that topic too much.
I'd prefer if you talked about these sort of ones that don't have to do that. But if they're asking for it, it gives me that option to to donate. And it's a reason to. So, you know, this is where there's all sorts of other things like numerology and stuff like that. You're basically just looking for people are very varied. And I know, for example, for myself, there was this blogger who I've followed for ages, a long, long time, multiple years, and I'd never supported him. I saw his ask for support, probably hundreds if not thousands of times at the bottom of his of his blog posts.
And then one day that was just a thing that he said. In particular, it was related to I think he was he had like this shirt and it was just like, hey, you know, by the way, another way you can support is by buying a shirt. And even though the shirt cost, you know, twice as much as a normal one did, this was the thing that put me over the edge of being like, you know what? I've gotten so much value from this dude. Like, the very least I can do is buy a shirt from him. And so, you know, he would have made some money from that more if I'd just donated that to him in exact that same amount.
But it was that little thing that tipped me over the edge to got to get there. And so being wide with that, but also specific in terms of like, Hey, you can support me by buying a shirt that was the thing that got me there. So something to consider as well for when you're talking to your audiences, making it broad, making them have lots of easy options to be able to do it, why it's important for them to do it. Being generous with your your recommendations of of how someone can do it, or particular people who have done something, the ways to get that extra value.
And then also in the midst of all that being specific in terms of you can support me by doing this very exact thing, if you want a memorial shirt, which this Value for value podcast is under, if you donate 100,000 stats, we will send a shirt your way no matter where you are in the world. We don't even make money from it. So this is just one way of of getting some support of like, hey, if this is the thing that tipped you over the edge into supporting, please do it. And you know, if you support 100,000 to this show, this is that is included into into that little offering there.
I suppose so yeah. There we go. That's the little compilation pitch that I've done. Jean Bean I hope you enjoyed that. And yeah, just another little shout out to Sam Sethi in the Boosta gram Lounge for, for tuning in, even though it's 2 a.m. in Turin. Very much appreciated. And speaking of the Boosta gram Lounge, I'm going to go to there. But once again, so this is another shout out to someone who has helped me in the past. And this is Adam Curry. The jingle music that you hear for the Boosta Gram Lounge. He created that multiple times and he created multiple ones from that.
So instead of my my normal one, I'm going to play you three of them here. And. Yeah, well will enjoy those. So tune into the intro music for the BoostaGram Lounge.
[00:25:18] Unknown:
Welcome to the Value for Value BoostaGram. Lounge. Have a Hookah. Welcome to the. Value for Value. BoostaGram Lounge. Ello is totally insane is about you for your. Boosta Gram Lounge have had.
[00:25:46] Unknown:
Oh my God. There's a reason why I don't play that first and last one. It's too much. But yes, that was the intro to the Boosta Gram Lounge. Thank you very much. And coming into the live boost here, we see Sam Sethi with 8500 SATs and he says want a shirt sent using POD fans. Thank you very much, Sam. So I'll have to go check on the leaderboard again to to where exactly you are in terms of the 100,000 but 8500, that's putting you, you know, 1/10 of the way there. So just keep that coming through and very much appreciate it. I only do it for the actual boost messages sent in not not SAT payments with the streaming amounts because it's just it would be an absolute nightmare to calculate that.
So little caveat here. It's just for the the boost amounts there. I'm going to jump back into this last portion of last week. And we did have three messages coming in. One of those once again being from Sam Sethi, and he says, I love the episode. Great review of the new podcast apps. Keep up the great work on educating the world on v4v 850 sent using POD fans. Thank you very much. But fans once again a great app would recommend checking it out. He's on the bleeding edge and all this cool stuff is happening and it's becoming part of my regular routine to use pod phone, so definitely recommend checking Not out, of course. I'm going to say that though.
We've got midst here though. This is the owner of Pod verse. He says, Thanks so much for covering pod person. All you contribute to podcasting 2.0. I love hot android auto and seasonal support. Coming soon to pod verse. Of course there are 10,000 songs sent using pod verse. Yeah. Oh, thank you very much Mr. Mitch de Yep. Once again, he's going full time on that for, for a bit. And so you're going to see lots of cool stuff coming out from Pod verse. And then finally we had Jason from Podcast Guru just as great. Episode 9999 sent using podcast Guru Thank you.
You know, the app developer is really important for my show. The mere Mortals. I've got I think five or six of them in the in the splits. And, and it's important to me that I help contribute to the people who are helping to be able to contribute back to me a little bit harder for this show. So I just do it over there on that one, but it's very much appreciated. And yeah, once again, the reason I do all of this stuff is because I think value for value is is going to be just as important as open sources to the world. For example, moving forward.
The the main problem, a lot of the problems I see with social media, for example, is driven just by the advertising models and so I think having a way for people to connect, to peer to peer send money directly, it doesn't matter where they are in the world. If there's an Iranian and they want to send me money, that's totally fine. I'm not in the U.S., so I don't know how strict our money controls are, but I've tried to send just, you know, 25 bucks to once again talking about shirts, try to send $25 to a bank account in the U.K. You know that my brethren, Sam Sethi, is but practically related.
And sending a a small payment like that just to a bank account was an absolute nightmare. Took multiple hours of effort. So doing it through Bitcoin, doing it through a podcasting app is so much better, easier and I think is definitely the future, which is why I continue to cover all of these sorts of things. Okay, let's jump on to the tips section and I've been kind of collecting another we're doing a compilation episode, so let's keep going it on a compilation of tips that I've just collected here, my little notes for this past while I was going to bring them up at some point, but I just never it didn't really fit in.
So once again, compilation makes sense to do it here. So I've got five extra tips that I've got for you here, which we didn't see highlighted in those, some in those that actual clip compilation. So number one, numerology, I think this one's self-explanatory. If someone has a number that is important to them, it can actually be useful in saying like, Hey, if you send this in, this is this is what this means. And it's just it's just a fun way of doing things. I, for example, almost always boost in a row of Ducks 2222 because the number two looks like a duck.
You know, I get it. It doesn't actually look like a duck, but it's kind of funny. And it's an amount which feels good for me because when I do the math, I'm like, you know, if I listen to this show that's about a, you know, with the amount, I'm streaming in as well and Bruce that I send in, that is equal to about an Australian dollar. When I send that in, you know, I'm going to be listening to probably this show weekly, maybe even more than weekly. That's going to be 50 to 100 bucks a year. You know what? That's a that's an amount that I feel justifies listening to this show.
And so the to 2 to 2 is I don't really mean anything. It's just it's a nice amount. But the encouragement to boost in for a special anniversary for the Miyamoto's, we had 400 episodes, so people were sending in a bunch of fours. One had a baby and so we had the baby boost the 3838, which one of our listeners Peter really enjoys, and that's the one that he sends in most, most nowadays. All of these sorts of things I hope to on the one of the git hubs I helped update the booster grand list, which includes a lot of the reasons that you'll see these numbers in on the Bitcoin tide and a lot of other Chris Fisher's those people send in the zip code boost.
So you know, it'll be like 18 730 or something like that. And then it's kind of like, ooh, where are they in the world? Let's try and find that out. Oh, they're in Germany. Oh, they're in here. So you can do that wherever you are in the world as well. And it's, it's just finding a number which is important. So once again, highlighting the numerology gamification, it's pretty important. Pop fans, you see, Sam is trying to do that and make it fun to experiment with the app. Oh, I can send in a boost and get some extra stats. Oh, I can try creating a clip, I get some extra stats.
That's pretty cool. So doing that within the actual app itself. And then as in terms of me as a podcaster, you know, I know Adam Curry on on this show Curry in The Keeper, he was doing double boost for a certain period. So if you boost two then 3000 it would count as 6000. I don't know if he had a leaderboard, I don't know if that was. It was more just to be like, yeah, if you if you donate this, you can get acknowledgement as an executive producer instead of just a producer. All of these things triggering a gin jingle, getting a shot, you know, leaderboards.
There's a leaderboard on Miyamoto's podcast dot com such support you can see where you rank in terms of people they're in the top five. We we put like an an image with the face on it and things like that. So extra extra highlighting of people who are doing it. I know Sam is is also in POD fans he's doing like this kind of pod fan, super fan leaderboard, sort of thing. There's all sorts of cool stuff going on. So gamification super important. I mentioned this before, but value for value and Bitcoin is not an either or. They can exist, coexist alongside each other along with advertising and fiat.
There's also the room for kind of hard standpoints like myself, which is can be a bit of a differentiator. But the showcasing the support, it's not like your call to action has to only be, oh, support me via this way. You know, I only enjoy Fiat, I only enjoy toys. So you have to do it via PayPal or something like that. Now, you know, include include those extra options if you don't have a strong reason, not to. I have a very strong reason why I don't have a patron set up. So so I don't do that, even though I know there are people who have told me they would support via Patreon if I had it.
That's one of those things you got to make the decision yourself. Generally, it's better to to have more, but if you want to be a bit more strict on it and have a preference, I certainly have a preference for booster grams via PayPal, but I do have a PayPal set up and it's in the show notes. If you want to use it, you know, please, please donate via there and I'll acknowledge you just as much as as I do for for a booster. Graham Giving a reason why someone should contribute, even if it's really tenuous, I think helps So if you've got a charity drive, if you've got a target goal to activate the boost bot, which they do, and behind the schemes, if it's your birthday, if it's an anniversary coming up, just giving people a reason to once again, this is getting into the kind of specificity, the call to action, the making it easy portion.
If you just make it easy, even if it's there's this great stuff from psychology where basically if you have like a line up, they did this with people at uni university students waiting to use printer. So if you've ever been to university, you know the printer is always just chock a block full of people wanting to use it in the library. And what they did was they'd be this long line up and they'd have someone cut in right near the front. And one day they did a couple of options. One would be like if they just cut in one the aisle and without saying anything, another one would be cutting in with the excuse of like, Hey, excuse me, I'm running a bit late behind.
I really need to jump in. Can I just jump in here? And then the third option was just saying like, Hey, excuse me, do you mind if I go in front of you? I need to use the printer. And funnily enough, the one of the the, the big long winded excuse of, you know, I, I needed to do this, this sort of thing. And the excuse of like, excuse me, I just, I need to use the printer. They worked kind of equally as well in terms of people allowing them to come in, which is really funny because obviously they need to use printer. It's just self-explanatory, but it's just, it's almost like the magical act of saying, Hey, I need to do this thing, donate it just there's something in our brains which is like, Oh, okay, yeah, that's okay, that's fine.
I'll help you out with regards to that. So if I have a target that I want to reach to for this episode, so let's just say it's 40,000. I'd love to get 40,000 coming in for this loss. This episode, even if there's no reason in terms of like, obviously the more is better. And if I was only getting like 3000 before that, there's something about just having a target and saying I want more, which is like people would be like, Oh, okay, I'll send you more. So just having any reason to be honest can actually help. And then the last one I had here was share praise and celebrate the big wins.
So, you know, the more boosts that come in, the more people also want to join in. It's this weird cycle where if you hear a show with 50 boosts in it, getting close to like the podcasting 2.0 level of they read out a lot of messages. This is where it it's whatever your intuitions are in regards that all if they're getting lots of boost I won't send one in they don't need it that that's that's just wrong it's that's not how people think it's it's it's more encouraging and the people who do think like that they're not going to send it in any way. So it's very much you got to have this mentality of like people are generally good, the pie grows and you're not, you know, if I get more boosts in on this show, it's not because I'm stealing them from another person.
So if if you have that sort of mentality, that's value for value is not going to really work out for you. You now, it can be hard at the start when you don't have many people boosting in. So this is when you have to hustle for those family and friend connections to to jump start it. I know in America plus cold McCormack is boost in a fair few times he was getting like his mum and his girlfriend to boost in you know that that is I think super valid and also necessary at times so yeah that's that that another little compilation section there of some additional things to think about when you're when you're doing your ask my apps service highlight for today.
Look there's quite a few guides out there on not only how to to boost in and how to receive listener support. That whole last episode I did was all around this but on how to ask as well. So I'm just going to give a couple of those. You'll see in the show notes, some some links for these. So Fountain did a webinar with Ask.com without talking about how you can do this. They also had Chris Fisher on as a as a guest. They're obviously someone who knows how how to do this because multiples of his shows are right up there in terms of the the most popular ones getting lots of support value for value dot info.
This is Adam Curry's website explaining it real nice shot and to the point reasons of how you do it, why you do it, what to expect get Albee has a great blog at its blog don't get all become which does this and look a lot of the hosting companies that are enabling V for they have some sort of guidelines or not only on how to implement it just as a podcast, but also how to ask your audience. So you'll find this like either on their Twitter accounts Pod fans, I know it has this and it explains why it's important. I know Blueberry has their own blog and podcast where they've also got very similar things going on. So if you are wondering, you know, perhaps listening to a value for value podcast isn't for you, perhaps you want to do it a different way.
Look, there's there's plenty of other options in terms of video, in terms of text where you can read about how to do this as well. But I think a compilation like I did today was also helpful just in terms of setting the tone. And you can also see all of these shows were different. You know, one was two, multiple of them were like conversational ones. One was like, you know, people to speaking into Mike that the topics could be about Bitcoin topics could be about, you know, family, religion, God could be talking about just random politics and stuff.
It doesn't really matter the show, It's just about how how you ask your audience for value and that of course, that you're providing something that is valuable that people want to listen to. Okay, nice. We're at our rough cut off minute of the 45 minute mark. So today, my 15% of value for value, I'm going to give to all of the Clippers. So that was about five of them or five main value blocks that I've seen. So I'm going to give 3% to each of them. And yeah, was able to split this up roughly on what is in their feeds. Perhaps in the future I could do value time splits.
So for those minute long sections I could create in those chapters, I could have the value time slot. I'm with Blueberry at the moment, so I'm not able to do that. But it is kind of fun to be able to just create a compilation or have some songs or something like that to be able to to use and then be able to do this. So, you know, for this value time splits in the future, will this turn into like maybe I'll start to add a little bit of music into the show, You know, potentially. Potentially. I got to think about it. It's a it's a lot of work, but I'm really enjoying doing these sorts of things and testing and experimenting.
So we'll will have a look with that. So you have 15% to them, value for value. This is the value for value. So and I've run this model. So there's three, I suppose, ways to, to contribute back the time, talent and treasure time share this episode with the digital creator. I think that's probably the most important thing you could do If someone is struggling to realise how they can do it, send them this episode in particular and say like, Hey, here's here's a compilation of people doing it once again. I would also recommend checking out season two because that's where I was really focusing on podcasting and podcasters and creating clips and a very similar thing to what I was doing in today's episode.
So going back to season two was also helpful and come join me live. I love having Sam Sethi here listening in. It's very much appreciated. I know Juan, my co-host, was also listening in for a while. It's it's so much fun to have like these little interactions. So I'm live on a ten Australian Eastern Standard Time. Typically it has been on a Wednesday, so this would be UTC midnight. I'm going to always be at this UTC. You see, I would say UTC, you see universal coordinated time midnight. So wherever you are in the world, you know, in the plus or minus just plus or minus that off from from midnight and then that's the time that I'll be going live.
So Sam is obviously said it was 2 a.m. where he was at, so he was obviously at a negative to not know sorry plus two plus two from wherever he is in Italy in Turin. So yeah, join me in on those schedules. Slightly changed in the future, but it'll always be at roughly that time. So check out your podcasting app for the live night notification talent. Is there anything I can do to make this show better? What annoys you? Is there any topics, things that you really want me to consider? I did this episode in particular because I had someone who was wanting a compilation, so I created that and I hope that they they got a lot of value from that and I hope you do as well.
So that would be great. Just having some recommendations where what do you really want me to focus on in terms of the value for value? This is more of an educational show than anything else. And then finally, treasure. There's three options. Try out one of the new podcasting apps. Go to the last episode and pick one of those eight that I listed there and you know, send me in a boost via that. You can also go to the podcast index website type in value, then the number four and or just even type in my name, Kyron K, y, I and, and I'll pop up pretty quickly you can boost and then that acknowledges all the splits as well.
And then finally you can do this via at memorials podcast dot com slash support And then I've got the PayPal link there. I've got all of the other you know you're able to boost in via directly onto there as well. So a lot of things you can you can do and I just want to thank you for for joining me into this episode. Two more episodes for this season and then I will wrap it up. Probably have a little bit of a break, maybe a couple of weeks break and then come back in through season four because I am really having a lot of fun with this show.
So we'll leave it there. Thank you everyone for joining me and chat for now until the next time, Kyrin out.
