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V4V Music is awesome, but there are some complex things under the surface. In Ep#46 we're going to have a look at the current V4V Music apps/services, the social & tech hurdles to hosting/playing music and the big elephant in the room.

Huge thanks to Cole McCormick, Boobury, Anonymous & Guy Smiley for supporting the show. Absolute legends!

15% of this episode is going to StevenB for creating so many building blocks to help kick start this revolution. Go V4V Music!


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The FAQ of the new music revolution.   Welcome everyone to another episode   of the Value for Value Podcast.   This is the podcast   for those digital content creators.   For those listeners   who want to support their favourite creators   about how they can do   that, using the value for value model   and avoid things like paywalls,   like ads and sponsorships and things like that.   Whhhooooof,   this is going to be a big episode   because we are talking about the music revolution   and this is really   continuing on   from the last episode where I was highlighting   what is value for value music   and how   musicians and artists   are finding a new way to connect deeper   with their audience and also get paid   at the same time   and avoid   all of the crazy shenanigans   that are going on with   Spotify and kind of just the   broken music industry that it is. So.  

This episode titled   How to Access V4V Music   the hurdles to supporting musicians and Artists.   So basically what I'm going to do   is I'll give a rundown of the services,   the apps that you can use, both as a creator, as a   deejay, as a musician, and as a listener.   It's going from easiest to hardest.   I'm then going to go over   the kind of hurdles that is   we're seeing for for V, for the music,   because it's not going to   be super easy, at least at this stage.   And then there's one big elephant in the room   before we finally getting   on to some boostagrams, some tips,   some other apps and services and highlights.  

So let's just dive   into the show and I'm going to also   be doing this visually.   So if you want to see this on YouTube,   there'll be a video there.   Let's start off   with probably the easiest one,   which anyone can   come into, and this is Wavelike.   And so Wavelike is a service that is popped   up, which is   really great for a listener   because if you go to wave like icon   and this is wave   without the E, so a V like e dot com,   you can go up there   and basically one of the good things is   you can   really just start for easily   listening an easy hosting of your music.   So if you're a listener you can just go there.  

There's got a wave   like radio, there's got a party mode,   there's a trending page of this new releases.   It's very easily clickable   and you can kind of click it and it will play   even when you're going to other tabs.   So that really nice experience   of being able to continually listen   to music, even whilst using a website.   Now the other cool thing for this is for musicians.   So let's say you're a musician,   but perhaps you're not super tech   savvy, perhaps you don't really   know, you know, what is an RSS feed,   How do podcasts work things like this?   Well, what you can go do onto here is just go onto   the this studio tab that they have.  

They've got a thing.   Are you an artist band record label,   a podcaster interested   in uploading audio to wave like you say? Yes.   And then basically you just start going   through the process   of adding a new name, a band,   you know, social links that you can use.   Once you go through that,   you can then   go on to the audio tab and stop uploading things.   So very, very easy service service for to use   some of the things that they have is   instantly playable   with the click, the point, the upload abilities,   there's charts, there's leaderboards   comments for the listener as well.  

So if you go on to a song and you just want to   to check it out, you want to see what's   what's happening on it,   you can go there and they've got a message   board, they've got all sorts   of different things going on with that.   So very, very cool service to be able to use   some limitations with it.   It's not as smooth   for something like boosting or for,   I guess like lacking a bit of deeper options   for splits   and some of the   real technical things which we've seen   happening with podcasting.   As I mentioned in the Brewster Gramps   and the streaming   episodes, two or three episodes before this,   they don't have all of those   technical capabilities as of yet,   but they are getting closer and closer.  

So for those who are just   interested in value for value music,   the probably the easiest place   to go to at this current moment is wavelength.   Now let's say you are a listener   and you want to start having   a bit more functionality with what you're doing,   or at least just being able to   to search for the music because it is kind of hard   to know, okay, what is music   that is value for value enabled?   Where can I find this?   Probably the easiest place   to go for this is Ellen Beats.   So this is Lema.   I'm not sure what the use for end is for nunchucks   Beats Tor.com.  

And this is a a website   hosted by Stephen Bellow, created by Stephen Bell.   And that's an important name   because he is going to pop up   quite regularly for this.   And essentially it is a website   where you can just go   and see   all the different types of music   so you can search by album.   They've got a   just a big page here listing things down   and you can support your favourite artist   within this website as well.   It's got a   a wallet   functionality here   which connects   with your Albi account, so you will probably need   one of those   if you want   to support people as well because that is   very useful.  

So Albi is a extension that you add onto   your browser which allows you   to send micropayments to people directly.   So that's just a good place.   You know, it's really simple.   It's probably more of a proof of concept   and a testing ground for how music will show up   in a feed and it's rather than a pure music app.   And so for those who are a listener   and they're wondering, okay,   where can I go to get the   best experience, a Spotify or a YouTube   like YouTube music, like experience   for listening to V for V music where,   you know, I can click on the button,   I can search it all have functionalities.  

And tell me more about the artist it will be.   It'll have that music first experience.   Well, unfortunately   we don't really have those at the moment.   This is also brand new   that we're probably going to be   waiting for a little while until a really smooth   application comes along.   Now what I can say is that there are some places   where you can search for music quite nicely.   So for example,   if you go on to Fountain Dot   FM, so Fountain,   use the Fountain app on your phone.   This will give you there is a tab there   where you can search for music.   If you go to the podcast index website,   there is a   little button here which has music,   so you can do that as well.  

If you go on to Cairo.   Costa   They have a music tab as well   where you can click on that   and it will populate some some of the music   musicians up on the site here.   So that's very helpful as well.   The POD fans has a search function   and play functions,   but the thing with all of these is   that they're more suited for other things.   They're more suited as a podcast app.   And so we're really yet to have one, which is   a pure music first application experience,   particularly on the mobile.   There's there's none   that are really, really suited for that.   But as I said, it's,   it's relatively new so we'll,   we'll just stay with there.  

Now let's get on to   some of the more technical things.   So we talked about wave like we talked about   Ellen Beats.   Now the next one is music Side Project.   Once again,   Steven Bell has created this   and this is just basically a way for you   to be able to construct your own RSS feed.   So this is for the musician,   the artist who has a bit of technical capabilities   that can probably use WordPress, for example.   They know roughly, you know,   what a website is, how to upload   audio to places, how to, you know,   do a couple of things on the Internet.   It's not too crazy.  

And basically this is a way   where it gives you a lot more functionality   than something like Wave   like to be able to host your own music.   So I did a little test album here for myself   and started along the the process.   So the good thing is that with   this is he's   got a great tutorial,   so if you go to the tutorial, it's   basically like easily build   the RSS feed needed to value,   enable your music and make it available   in a modern podcast app or music player.   Choose your hosting solution.   And he's got WordPress.   And so then he has just got from A to B how you,   you set this up.  

And so it's got pictures.   It's got real easy steps   for you to be able to just go through   bam, bam, bam, This is how you put it   onto your WordPress website.   Okay, Now come back to Music Side project.   Start adding the details needed for   the album, the cover art where   bios, things like this and he's   basically got this from all the way along.   How you do this and it's it's   it's really good It's I even me   with my relatively lack of technical skills   I went okay I could definitely do this   because it's just so laid out in a really,   really easy manner.  

So the Music Side project is definitely for those.   It's kind of like that intermediate stage   and is what is is really, really helpful.   Now we'll get onto   the rather technical one once again.   Steven B with a thing called the split kit dot   com and this is   used utilises something called   the value time split.   I didn't talk about this   specifically in the latest episode   because it is rather technical.   It is rather hard to get your head around.   But basically the value time split means   as someone is listening to your show,   the value block.  

So this is where you put your information   for where you want money to be sent to you.   So in this case, you know, I've got in my value.   BLOCK So this show,   50% comes to me.   15% is going to go to a developer   that I choose of.   I've got   some other multiple wallets   which have some functionalities, like   allowing me to see boost in different ways and just   split up for other things.   And then I send another 10% to developers.   Now what this means is I   can have all of that information.   So if you think of that as as my album   or as my as me as the producer here,   this is where I could then go, okay,   but what if I would love to play some music   but have their information during that section   when the song is playing?  

And so this is what the value time split does.   It means that   portion, that section where the money   is coming to me,   I can then change it   so that while the song is playing,   anyone who's listening, anyone who's boosting   that goes directly to the artist.   Now there's a lot of things under the hood here   which allow this all to happen.   And so this is where the split kit Dcoms   website comes in and allows you to kind of   do this real time or after the fact.   So if I was doing a live DJ sets, for example,   so this is   this is where it gets   tricky because you want to do this   in a I suppose in   an, in a method where   you can do this as, as your, as a, as a DJ.  

So most of the use cases   I'm talking about right now, a DJ comes in,   they have a list of songs that they want to play   and they're going to come   in and say, All right, I want to be able to   put this particular musician in as the   as the person who's   going to receive   the money, and then that that will   actually go to them.   So I'm just logging in as we speak to Split   Kit Gqom   and I'm going to try and show you like   a little demonstration here,   live hand of of how you might do this.   And so   basically what   you do   is you go on to this website and you say,   create a new event.  

So this would be okay, my, my podcast episode.   So in particular,   this is for someone who wants to do a DJ set   or create a playlist, for example, using Value   for value music.   And so I would come onto here   and I would say, okay, I've got my default thing.   So this is when whenever I'm speaking,   this is when I want someone else.   I want the money to be coming to me   and then I've got a song.   So let's just   I've picked a cherry on top by anti Costello   when and this already populates her information.   So when I play this song, when I click the button,   it will go to her.  

And so when that's active,   all the money is now going to her   and you can kind of see, okay,   if I just keep adding   extra and extra songs into this,   you will create a big list that will come down.   And if you look   at something like behind the schemes,   they've got a big   just list here showing, okay,   this is how many songs they've got   and as they're playing their episode,   they can just click buttons.   So it's very much as if you could imagine   how a radio station does where they know   they've got a live radio station,   they've got some songs queued up   when they're supposed   to stop speaking that press the button,   the song starts playing immediately,   and then you can have those, you know,   fade in and fade out effects at the same time   song plays, They can go to the bathroom,   they can do whatever in that time period,   when the song is coming back and finishing,   they then click the button   to go back to themselves.  

So as as they are the the the top person.   So now it's, you know, it's like   the microphone is is going to them again   and this is when we go okay cool suite now we'll   be able to   have have   not just my microphone on but also the money coming   to me while my microphone is on.   So very, very cool thing here.   The split kit become very, very useful.   And Steven has created something that is   yeah, it's a really powerful thing   and you would probably want to use   this in can in connection with another thing   he's got which is called sovereign feeds.   But now that is getting   into the really, really technical RSS,   be able to manually edit your feed writing in code   and things like this.  

So we'll, we'll leave it as that for the moment.   So it's basically a switchboard.   The cool   thing is a lot of apps   are starting to support this functionality.   So if you look at all the I was meant to list,   I think I listed most of them.   So the Fountain podcast index here,   Costa Pod fans have those available shows   to filter for music, but they also support   the value time split.   So if you're listening   on one of those,   as a listener wanting to give back   to the musicians to the artist and to the DJ,   they support this   functionality where it does   all the switching behind the scenes.  

And then there's some others like podcast Guru,   Pod Vers and Costa Matic   also supporting   this or will be supporting this in the near future.   So this is super, super cool and   I guess getting over one of the hurdles   that I will be short and talking about   in in a second, which is the technology.   The technology is really hard.   So what I'm trying to do   with this   episode in particular is just say, Hey,   there is some easy services you can use.   There's some harder ones if you want.   The more in-depth, the juicy,   the real meat of of what's going to go on,   this is going to completely revelation   revolutionise music.  

But it is hard at this stage   it's still still requires some some working   it still requires a bit of playing around.   You definitely need to be   playing around with these things   because it's not super, super easy as of yet.   But I'm surprised by how quickly   this is all starting to move.   It's it's very, very cool in that aspect.   So let's jump onto, I suppose,   some of the hurdles that I think   value for value music is going to   start encountering.   There's there's quite a few things   which are, I suppose just   just going to crop up and which will need   to be addressed.  

The first one I've already   somewhat mentioned is technology.   So using the value time split is really hard   for you, producing it, creating it,   and then also   for the applications such as all of   these podcast players   and any future music players to,   to do that kind of coding   in the background, to really acknowledge   all of these things,   to use micropayments, you know,   there's the Internet's been around forever and   we still haven't had that ability as until   really recently with I think podcasting,   like I mentioned, podcasting   2.0 is kind of one of the first   use cases where you see, okay,   micropayments really do   seem to actually be doing something,   they do seem to be working. So   the skills to be a great musician   do not necessarily overlap with being a good   user of technology.  

It doesn't it doesn't   equate in my mind   that the best musicians are going to be able   to jump onto these things early.   They're probably going to have to wait until   the tools are available   or they're really, really motivated.   Now, the good thing is   that money is a pretty good motivation.   And so as we talked about in the last episode,   you know,   if you're only getting   $2 per CPM and you can bump this up   into something closer   to like 20 or like, you know, ten X the amount   as Ainsley   Costello did   and as some other musicians   are having some some hit songs,   as you can see on the wave like   and you can see the   amounts that they're earning on.  

There you go. Okay.   The for the amount of plays   that they're getting,   they're probably getting close to that,   you know, like at a hundred CPM or   certainly more than the $2 which Spotify says   and which is probably a lot lower considering   just some of the things that I've heard   from musicians over the years.   So it's going to take time for someone   to build that one   perfect app or that one perfect thing, which is   super easy uploading music put in your thing.   It's going to rely on some more Bitcoin adoption.   It's going to rely on a fair few things.   But there's there's a, there's a   there's a lot behind the surface here   and it's really, really going to kick off.  

Another thing that I see popping up,   which is not technology related, is   or it's kind of in that middle ground   which is not honouring the splits.   So things, things can just straight up change.   So for example,   in my feed,   in my own RSS feed, the value for value show,   I've switched it across multiple times.   So you would have heard in season two,   I was saying, you know, for this episode,   30% or 50%,   I can't remember how much I put   is going to this podcast   because I use clips from their episode.   I was doing these things when I changed.   Host All of that got   wiped out or it's in the background   and so I need to get to it.  

But you know,   that's going to take like 4 hours of effort   to really reconstruct all of that.   And you know, no one's boosting   those episodes as of this moment.   So I don't feel bad because   it's not going to there. But you can kind of see   when when   things change, when things break   and there's money on the line,   people can get upset about that.   They can get you know, like   you told me,   you were going to put this   in or there was an expectation   this would happen.   And all of this is built on the   the promise of the for video   and the premise of V for V, which is,   you know,   I provide something of value   and you provide it back to me voluntarily.  

It's all of this is voluntarily.   And I think that can be some   things which will happen where people will will not   not recognise that this is really voluntary   and there is expectations,   but they're not contractual expectations.   You know,   if you sign onto Spotify and you give them   your bank and bank details,   for them to be able to send you the money   that they have generated from playing your music   and they accidentally, you know,   forget it or like, woops,   we deleted your bank details   and we'll get around to it   in like three months time.   You know,   that's that's probably not acceptable in this case.  

It is kind of acceptable   because I've got so much on   I've got tons of things to do.   I don't have time to   check my feed all the time and make sure   are your details correct.   And if you know,   if you update your details,   if you change your   your value details, that's going to require me   to change things as well.   So a lot of this is going to be on   reputation's on relationships   kind of in this phase,   and it is probably just worth noting   that if you're coming in expecting,   you know, real polished, real   I put something here   and it's going to stay like this forever.  

Like, don't expect that it's it's going to change.   Things will happen   both technologically speaking and on the people   side of things where there is,   you know, the money might not go   where you think it will go.   Let's let's just put it that way and we can see.   So wave like, for example,   they don't honour the splits   that are already in episode.   So Abel and the Wolf, for example,   for each of their different tracks,   they have,   you know, separate things.   Going to this person created   episode art to this you know, track.   They've got,   you know, this person also collaborated.  

They provided some drums or they provided   some tunes or some vocals.   They get a split and they organised   all of that freehand.   So, you know, this is how much you'll get.   The thing is, you know, wavelike doesn't   acknowledge that at the moment.   So if you send the money   through wave like to them at the moment   it, it doesn't capture that. So   just one of those things where it's like,   okay, you know, just, just,   just be careful, just, just acknowledge   this stuff is not going to be super, super   on the point as of this moment.   The last little hurdle that I had here was,   I suppose, just the explaining   evangelising learning.  

I saw some   discussions on the podcast index, Mastodon   talking about, you know,   everyone's excited about this.   There's a   there's excitement is palpable in the air.   But we just have to acknowledge   and be careful about, okay,   you don't want to come across as   a scammy, I suppose in a way.   And when it's involving money,   when it's involving,   you know, Bitcoin, which is Internet money,   there's there's a lot of radars   which can get pinged off.   And I experienced this   sometimes when I was trying   to explain this concept to people   and I was trying to explain it to   it was kind of a crypto guy   and I was trying to explain   all of this to him.  

But because there's like   five, eight different moving pieces,   it's so, so hard to get it across.   So what I would just say is   I found it's best to ask questions,   to listen more, to ask, you know what?   How is something like Spotify serving you?   How is the music industry serving you?   And I'm pretty sure most of them will say   like, it's not serving me that well.   It's these are the problems.   And then I would just kind of go,   you know, his here, here's some things that   might interest you.   There's this way to do it in a decentralised manner   where, yeah,   as long as you retain the rights to your music,   you can put this online   and you can have people   kind of voluntarily paying you and you know   you'll earn about the same, if not more.  

You still need to create a really good song,   you still need to have good music,   but is   there's ways to do this   which are not through the traditional manner   and then just kind of leave it at that.   Don't get too caught up in the excitement   and being like pushing it in people's faces because   that that just generally   doesn't tend to work so well. So   yeah, that's the, the other small hurdle   now, the big one,   the big elephant in the room   is that we're dealing with money here.   And history has shown that   the music industry   gets pretty pissed off   when you start eating into their lunch.  

And so not just pretty pissed off,   but like big time pissed off.   Let's just look at Napster in the early days   of the Internet or, you know, the early 2000.   They revolutionised music by being able to have,   you know, peer to peer sharing of digital audio   done through torrenting.   And all   you would have to do is, you know, go online   and you could access all of this music.   You wouldn't have to pay for it,   and it's just available at your fingertips.   You know, there was some tech   things happening there at the moment.   You had to know how to use something   like LimeWire or Pirate Bay or things like this,   or go to Napster.  

It was a little bit before my time,   so I don't have   the experience of actually using it.   But you could see, you know,   what did the music industry do from that?   Well, they started suing   and so they went after Napster.   They went off to to individual people.   I'm pretty sure that was a story of a kid   who, look, he probably went a bit overboard   and I think downloaded, you know,   13,000 100,000 songs or something from there.   And they you know, just to make an example of him,   they went after him.   But you can see there's   there's a lot of things that are going to be   behind the surface.  

And there's a lot of people   with really big money and with lawyers   who if they feel that you are circumventing   the industry,   if they feel like you're   cheating them out of money,   they're going to come for you,   they will come for you.   And so   let's let's just all take a moment here to to   be sensible.   If you are,   and we'll go from the most egregious to the   to the least,   if you are straight up   ripping off a song of Metallica   and putting it as your own music on   on Wavelike or on one of these places and,   you know, putting in your own personal   Bitcoin lightning address   and getting money for someone else's work,   that's wrong.  

That's a plain bad thing.   You should not be doing that.   And that's   unfortunately,   some people are going to do this because   everyone always does this.   But that's the kind of behaviour which is   just straight up not acceptable.   That's not value for value because you didn't   create the value, you stole that off   from someone else.   What if you want to do a cover of a song?   Okay, well,   this is where it's getting into murky area.   And you would probably say   if you're accepting money from this at the moment,   that's not a great idea to do   because there are   all sorts of IP copyright laws   and they can get pretty nasty.  

And if these people find   out that's what you're doing,   you're getting money from a cover   that you've done of someone else.   You don't own   the rights to that music because you have used a   you know, you're   stealing someone else's copyright or IP.   I personally got some issues with that,   but this is the way the system set up   at the moment   that that's that's a bad thing.   And if you are if,   if you're going to be putting that up online,   it's and getting money for that once again,   you're probably going to get some questions   and people   knocking on your door if it turns out to be,   you know, substantial portions of money.  

What if you want to include a sample?   I mean,   there's going to be   a lot of questions coming up regarding   what is right and what is fair   and what is actually yours.   And at just at these small days,   let's let's all kind of be sensible and just say   you need to have created the song   and from kind of like start to finish   and the higher you go up,   if you're questioning yourself,   should I do this?   The answer is probably no.   Should I steal Metallica's music and put it up? No.   Should I do a cover of this?   A bit iffy, probably no.   Should I use a sample?  

Yeah, maybe, but probably. Nah.   So all of this will get sorted out   and it look, it sounds a bit gloomy and   people are likely to get hurt in this   and it, it, it will become a big thing.   So I would just say as an individual,   if you are especially   for the musician, for the creator,   just, just, just be a little bit careful.   Just at least have it put a little thought into   if you're   uploading something and you're iffy about it,   have a real hard think about   if you want to do that.   So, you know, sounds a bit gloomy.   It sounds like sucks,   but I think this is really going   to be   a foundational switch to an industry   that does have so many problems.  

So this is where it is   like super exciting because you can see   there's so much stuff going on.   There is so many people excited about this,   both on the listener side   and on the on the creator on the musician side. So   I think this is going to   really, really change a lot of things and   it's going to be very, very cool.   So I'm going to jump now onto the Boostagram Lounge.  

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Welcome to the value for Value   Boostagram Lounge.  

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This has been a pretty good week for me   and I've just got   some interesting things to show up   and so   I'm going to show up   on my screen here at the moment.   So we had Cole McCormick   coming in red   hot five, four, nine two, his favourite number   of percent using found.   He says music and podcasts   is a legit culture change.   Excited to see what happens when bigger   hosting sites integrate Split Kit and other tech   so people can just click and go yes, bang on call.   I 100% agree.   We also have another   little section   here from Guy Smiley and he says V for V   and then he just puts in a link.  

And I was like, okay, what's this?   And it's wave like dot com slash track.   And then it's got a whole   string of digits and numerals.   And I was like, okay, what's what's this thing?   Let me go check it out.   And what it actually was is he is the musician   or an artist and he has a song   which has been pretty popular.   It's called   Heads Up from Incoming from the Airwaves   by the band.   Right in Progress. I believe   so. Or I might have.   Yeah. Yeah, I believe that's right.   And you can just see here they've earned 159,000   sets, got 17 supporters on wave like   I've heard that song played   a couple of times on other   on some of these DJ sets which I will be talking   about soon   and you can really see okay,   there's some, there's   some really exciting cool stuff coming on and   you know,   I would just recommend   checking out that song in particular,   you know, check up, heads up and   and just rock out to it.  

So we've got another one here.   Now, this was from Anonymous, but I might   it might be Gene Bane because I know   Cosmetic was having this   sorry, this was from pod verse.   I will just leave it as anonymous   might need to look at the time split.   And so they sent in   807 sets.   I think that's probably wrong.   So I'm guessing that's probably a boob boost.   I'm guessing that's 8008 sets because   my linkages to to these messages   kind of got broken for a little bit.   So I'm just trying to do as best as I can here.   Then they also say yea RSS woo.   So that was also sent through using POD voice   and that was 1614   which yeah, I think was ten   set amount, so probably 16,000.  

So Wolf, thank you. Thank you, my friend.   Very cool.   And I can also see I've had one   couple come in here, Burberry   and he says Beautiful life 17,776   Moyal sent using the Berkeley   and then he asks,   is there a chat room with an 8888 now?   There isn't at the moment, mate. I'm   it's on my to do list.   I've got so many things to to do.   But I will   I will be creating this and I want to do it   so I can do this across the various shows.   So not not at this particular moment   unfortunately, but it is coming   I will spend the time to to make that happen   and to to yeah, do that kind of properly.  

So thank you everyone for sending in a boost.   You might be asking, you know,   what is a boost   well a boost is a message that you send within   the podcasting app of your choice,   or you can even do it   on the desktop using something like I'll be   the I'll be extension that I was talking about   and you can send in a message directly   to the show to help support me   in my in my efforts to to do this.   It said   I can also see here on the podcast index   Macedonia says if you add the boost   bot to   the split boost will appear   as replies in the thread. Okay.   Also another thing that I, I need to get onto,   there was one extra   little bit   that I wanted to put in here   and this was from cardboard giraffe, and   I saw this on on the fence and it wasn't a boost   that was sent in per se, but it did just get me,   I think shows the excitement.  

And so I'm just going to read this here.   EVERSON Ever since I was a kid,   I got way more excited   about finding new music than anyone around me.   I thought,   how sick would it be to be able to   have my own radio channel where I could share   the stuff I get excited about without having   to shove it in the faces of my friends   once again, talking about not   shoving it and not being too excited.   Now could be the time.   And then   he's got a little emoji looking sideways face.   I'm not a techie person though,   so I'm really hoping   there are some simple ways to do this right.  

I really would appreciate any suggestions for ELI5,   which is explain   like on five level learning material.   Thanks in advance. Piece of emoji sign.   So that's, you know,   part of what I'm doing for this episode. So   I really hope this is   an episode   that'll help you out a couple of days off and   I'm doing the extra effort   to put this on YouTube as well, to,   to be able to, to show people   and to be able to have an easy link   so that you can   actually have a visual   representation of what's going on as well.   So that is the gremlins.   Thank you, everyone, for   for sending a message in once again.  

You know, if you want to stream   stats to me and to the person   who I'll be giving 15% to this week and to   10% to other developers,   I really do appreciate that.   And yeah, it does help   to support this show, support me.   And you know, it's a value for value   show is not getting value for value support, then   I'm kind of doomed.   None of my shows will   just say, Yeah, thank you, thank you everyone   for for boosting that in.   And you'll see in the chapter art,   all the people are boosted in.   I put them in the   the chapter art for this section   so as a as a visual thanks as well.  

Okay let's get on to some tips.   And as I was saying, like just,   just please keep it above board.   If you're about uploading the music,   you probably shouldn't do it.   You know, don't put it in your normal podcast feed.   If you're not willing to have a band   come after you as well.   And I suppose this is   just getting to the the value for value ethos.   You can take this music and the thing with value   for value is it is this upfront thing.   There are no contractual obligations.   You know,   when you upload something   to Spotify,   I'm sure that there is a   big long thing that they say which says,   you know,   we can do this with your music   and this is what can and can't be done.  

And you know, there's no expectation.   There's expectations of,   you know,   we won't put an ad midway through your song.   You know,   what is probably going to happen   is as people are creating these DJ shows   and I'll explain some of them in a second,   there's probably going to be some things   where it's like,   Oh, I don't like this person,   but they're playing my music and it's what   you just have to acknowledge is   if you're going down this route as a musician,   as a creator, as an artist,   you're giving this   music up for the wider people   to just appreciate and enjoy   and how they do that, how they create an experience   around that music you might not like.  

And so if you kind of come after someone   for for doing that,   like I said, it's   probably going to be in this reputational and   and relationships phase if you don't like someone   and what they've done to your music in terms of   perhaps they put a cut in it,   perhaps they   spoke over a section as they were fading   or fading out,   or perhaps   they put it on a show where you didn't   think it should be   or you didn't like being associated that   it's better to reach out directly to them.   It's better to   be compassionate, be understanding   and just recognise   this is the value for value model.  

If you're putting something out there,   people are going to value it in different ways   and they're going to chop it   and they're going to create it   and they're going to do different things to it   and that   the important point to recognise also is   that there is some expectations.   If you put value for valuing music up   as a deejay and you're creating things,   you should put that in as the values split   in your in your own feed.   And this is where some like, you know,   kind of negotiation type things might happen.   Adam Curry, for example, he puts in 95%.   So when he's   playing a song, 95% of it goes to the artist, 5%   goes to him and I think that's   he does that kind of just to be able   to see   the messages that are coming in   and to be able   to have some telling and perhaps,   you know,   a little bit for his own effort during that time,   If you feel that's not acceptable,   if you feel it should be 100%,   you know, reach out to him   and he might say, no, I'm not going to do that.  

So I probably won't play   my music on your show or your music on my show.   There's all these sorts of things.   So so I just want to I just want to reiterate   the my tip is don't come in guns blazing,   be compassionate.   And if you have a problem   with what someone is doing   with your music, if you have a problem with   how your music is being presented,   if you have a problem with any of this stuff,   just be compassionate, be calm, be rational,   and not not cause issues   that could be solved with a simple email   or a simple message or something like that.   So that's just just my little tip here.  

I do want to give a   this is the normal Apple Service highlight section.   Look,   if you want to keep up to date   with a lot of this stuff, what's going on?   I would just recommend   checking out the podcast index.   Mastodon.   So if you go to podcast index dot social,   you'll be able to see that   you'll be able to create an account   relatively easy to use.   Has a kind of Twitter like feed but is or X,   but it's I actually prefer it much more because   it's chronological.   So yeah, you don't get   blasted with actual all of these updates   details and crazy crazy different things. So   there's that one there   and I just want to list out   some of the shows which are actually already   starting to do these kind of radio DJ sets.  

So I talked about the Boostagram ball   with Adam Curry beforehand.   So there's a website you can go to there.   He's got some details about how you can tweet   that out   and also just   some of the apps that you can use   which sort of support   the show, supporting the music.   So basically   all of the ones   I listed podcast Addict as well is on there.   And you know, he's   got a list of music on today's shows   and he's got links out to those shows   which will take you to the wave like album.   So that's one definitely just there.   There's another show which is called   James's Random Music Show Thing.  

So this is from James   Cridland, the owner, host of Pub News.   He's got that that one there.   So it's very much an experimental type thing.   There's a couple that I found out   just today in preparation for for this show.   So there's one called the Black   Cat Music Project, a black, black music   podcast by Riley, and he plays some definitely   some songs here.   He's only got one   episode out at the moment,   but that was released just today.   So very, very cool.   Another one here by   our called It's A Mood, and this is by Mike   Newman, I believe,   and he's got four episodes out at this very moment.  

And you can just see   if you go on to somewhere like pop verse,   it's pretty cool.   So you can kind of see the chapters   and the different songs that are popping up   in here.   It's got to, you know,   bridge the different songs that he's got   so very, very cool.   His own value for value section in there,   most of these are typically   about half an hour to an hour   long at the moment.   But you can imagine   the it's getting longer in the future.   Now behind the schemes is a podcast,   but I can see that they have   and this is by Burberry   who was pushing in just before.  

So definitely   check out behind this games   if you there's is probably one of the   most unique podcasts I've ever seen.   They are absolutely wild in there.   It's super super cool.   They, they   they are on the cutting edge   of all of these things.   And they had an episode here   called before This Games,   which was on the 21st of August.   So that was two days ago.   And if you go on   to to here now for them, they   he didn't put any   deejay type things in there   so this is more of a   playlist of things that he enjoyed.   And there's just a whole bunch of songs here.   So if you go in through that, that's pretty cool.  

I heard this one Dope.   Let's see if I can click on it   and they'll give me   more information So as dope by the   hurling pixels, I think   if I go to the show notes here, it'll   give me some more details.   Hurling pixels dope.   That was a pretty cool song.   I quite enjoyed that.   So, you know, it's a great way   to discover new music, to find new things.   So there's that one there as well.   There's another show called The Fairly   Fun Show, and now you'll notice all of these.   They only have like two   or three episodes or four because all of this stuff   was invented like two weeks ago.  

It's crazy.   So that was by Silas Voigt.   And once again, he's got a mix of kind of show   the shows songs.   He I didn't actually play this one,   so this could just be another another   a straight up just you know, this is the songs   playing them one after the other.   Although I do see some pretty big breaks.   So he might just not   have his own sections in there as well.   So if you want to experience   what it is like to have a DJ set of this   value for value music,   there's a few suggestions right there for you.   So we're coming into the end section here   and who am I going to give a mad shout out   to for for all of this 15% for this episode?  

I can't get past Steven B This dude is created in   five different components   that are all somewhat essential to do this.   You know, the split kit is super, super critical.   Ellen beats just as a usual thing to use.   Kiera Costa   So you can appreciate the music   and send in things and participate in this.   The, you know, he's, he's   basically like at all ends of the spectrum,   he is creating things he's helping now with   what was it the music side project he's, helping   people upload like he's just doing so much so 50%.   Steven Bell   What an absolute mad   lab Chad for doing and creating all of this.  

So, so appreciated.   So yeah, I'm going to leave it there for today.   Thank you everyone for, for helping   do this once again,   I would just recommend checking out the D   podcast index Mastodon if you want to get in   contact with people.   And just for me, you know,   this is a value for value show.   I do all of this   free of charge,   you know, just put it all out there.   All I want to do is help people   create things to connect deeper   with their audience.   And, you know,   if you can get paid for that as well,   that is just absolutely sublime and perfect.   So I would just recommend, you know,   if you want to help participate in that,   send in something for me.  

And once again, value is very subjective.   It doesn't have to be a boost.   You can send in a suggestion,   you know, participating in the live chat   like Blueberry has done or in the live experience.   You can also   participate by giving me recommendations for music   that you've found that   you really enjoyed or other DJ sets   that you want me to call out, please,   You know, send those   in through to me if you want to.   I don't know.   Recommend some better audio for me.   I actually have put up   my sound panels all around the room,   so hopefully my audio is sounding   a little bit better than   a couple of the previous episodes and.  

There's just so many things.   But you know, what is valuable is   is very subjective.   So all of this is just super cool,   super exciting, super new.   And I do just recommend, you know,   if you if you want to send this out as well.   So I have done a video of this.   So if you want to   be able to   recommend this in an easy link to someone,   I will put a link   down in the show notes of the video   that I've created for this too,   to be able to upload   and to   to be able to send that so that they can   kind of visually see what's going on as well.   So I just recommend that as well.  

And yeah, other than that,   I hope you're having a fantastic day   wherever you are in the world.   I hope   you're excited about music,   excited about the future in the next episode.   I'm probably going   to do it a little bit different cause   I've got a friend's wedding this weekend,   so not going to have as much time to prep.   So I will be doing   an episode on the Common V4V misconceptions   for the next episode, so get excited for that.   And yet until the next time, chao for now Kyrin out.