V4V Music is awesome, but there are some complex things under the surface. In Ep#46 we're going to have a look at the current V4V Music apps/services, the social & tech hurdles to hosting/playing music and the big elephant in the room.
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15% of this episode is going to StevenB for creating so many building blocks to help kick start this revolution. Go V4V Music!
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The FAQ ofthe new music revolution. Welcome everyoneto another episode of the Valuefor Value Podcast. This is the podcast for those digital contentcreators. For those listeners who want to supporttheir favourite creators about how they can do that, using the valuefor value model and avoid thingslike paywalls, like ads and sponsorshipsand things like that. Whhhooooof, this is going to bea big episode because we are talkingabout the music revolution and this is really continuing on from the last episodewhere I was highlighting what is valuefor value music and how musicians and artists are finding a new wayto connect deeper with their audienceand also get paid at the same time and avoid all of the crazyshenanigans that are going on with Spotifyand kind of just the broken music industrythat it is. So.
This episode titled How to Access V4VMusic the hurdles to supportingmusicians and Artists. So basicallywhat I'm going to do is I'll give a rundownof the services, the apps that you can use,both as a creator, as a deejay, as a musician,and as a listener. It's going fromeasiest to hardest. I'm then going to go over the kind of hurdlesthat is we're seeing forfor V, for the music, because it's not going to be super easy,at least at this stage. And then there's onebig elephant in the room before we finally getting on to some boostagrams,some tips, some other apps andservices and highlights.
So let's just dive into the showand I'm going to also be doing this visually. So if you want to seethis on YouTube, there'll be a video there. Let's start off with probablythe easiest one, which anyone can come into,and this is Wavelike. And so Wavelike isa service that is popped up, which is reallygreat for a listener because if you go to wavelike icon and this is wave without the E,so a V like e dot com, you can go up there and basicallyone of the good things is you can really just startfor easily listening an easyhosting of your music. So if you're a listeneryou can just go there.
There's got a wave like radio,there's got a party mode, there's a trending pageof this new releases. It's very easily clickable and you can kind ofclick it and it will play even when you're going toother tabs. So that really niceexperience of being ableto continually listen to music, even whilstusing a website. Now the other cool thingfor this is for musicians. So let's say you'rea musician, but perhaps you're notsuper tech savvy,perhaps you don't really know, youknow, what is an RSS feed, How do podcasts workthings like this? Well, what you can go doonto here is just go onto the this studio tabthat they have.
They've got a thing. Are you an artist bandrecord label, a podcaster interested in uploading audioto wave like you say? Yes. And then basicallyyou just start going through the process of adding a new name,a band, you know, social linksthat you can use. Once you go through that, you can then go on to the audio taband stop uploading things. So very, very easyservice service for to use some of the thingsthat they have is instantly playable with the click, the point,the upload abilities, there's charts,there's leaderboards commentsfor the listener as well.
So if you go on to a songand you just want to to check it out,you want to see what's what's happening on it, you can go thereand they've got a message board,they've got all sorts of different thingsgoing on with that. So very, very coolservice to be able to use some limitations with it. It's not as smooth for somethinglike boosting or for, I guess like lackinga bit of deeper options for splits and some of the real technical thingswhich we've seen happening with podcasting. As I mentionedin the Brewster Gramps and the streaming episodes, two or threeepisodes before this, they don't haveall of those technical capabilitiesas of yet, but they are gettingcloser and closer.
So for those who are just interestedin value for value music, the probablythe easiest place to go to at this currentmoment is wavelength. Now let's sayyou are a listener and you want to starthaving a bit more functionalitywith what you're doing, or at leastjust being able to to search for the musicbecause it is kind of hard to know, okay,what is music that is value for valueenabled? Where can I find this? Probably the easiest place to go forthis is Ellen Beats. So this is Lema. I'm not sure what the usefor end is for nunchucks Beats Tor.com.
And this is a a website hosted by Stephen Bellow,created by Stephen Bell. And that'san important name because he is goingto pop up quite regularly for this. And essentiallyit is a website where you can just go and see all the differenttypes of music so you can searchby album. They've got a just a big page herelisting things down and you can supportyour favourite artist within this websiteas well. It's got a a wallet functionality here which connects with your Albi account,so you will probably need one of those if you want to support people as wellbecause that is very useful.
So Albi is a extensionthat you add onto your browserwhich allows you to send micropaymentsto people directly. So that'sjust a good place. You know,it's really simple. It's probablymore of a proof of concept and a testing groundfor how music will show up in a feed and it's ratherthan a pure music app. And so for thosewho are a listener and they're wondering,okay, where can I go to get the best experience, a Spotifyor a YouTube like YouTube music,like experience for listeningto V for V music where, you know,I can click on the button, I can search it allhave functionalities.
And tell me more aboutthe artist it will be. It'll have that musicfirst experience. Well, unfortunately we don't really havethose at the moment. This is also brand new that we're probably goingto be waiting for a little whileuntil a really smooth application comes along. Now what I can say is thatthere are some places where you can search formusic quite nicely. So for example, if you go onto Fountain Dot FM, so Fountain, use the Fountainapp on your phone. This will give youthere is a tab there where you can searchfor music. If you go to the podcastindex website, there is a little button herewhich has music, so you can dothat as well.
If you go on to Cairo. Costa They have a musictab as well where you canclick on that and it will populate somesome of the music musiciansup on the site here. So that's very helpfulas well. The POD fans hasa search function and play functions, but the thing withall of these is that they're more suitedfor other things. They're more suitedas a podcast app. And so we're really yetto have one, which is a pure music firstapplication experience, particularlyon the mobile. There's there's none that are really,really suited for that. But as I said, it's, it's relatively newso we'll, we'lljust stay with there.
Now let's get on to some ofthe more technical things. So we talked about wavelike we talked about Ellen Beats. Now the next one is musicSide Project. Once again, Steven Bellhas created this and this is justbasically a way for you to be able to constructyour own RSS feed. So this is forthe musician, the artist who has a bitof technical capabilities that can probably useWordPress, for example. They know roughly,you know, what a website is,how to upload audio to places,how to, you know, do a couple of things onthe Internet. It's not too crazy.
And basicallythis is a way where it gives youa lot more functionality than something like Wave like to be ableto host your own music. So I did a little testalbum here for myself and started along thethe process. So the good thing isthat with this is he's got a great tutorial, so if you goto the tutorial, it's basicallylike easily build the RSS feedneeded to value, enable your musicand make it available in a modern podcastapp or music player. Choose your hostingsolution. And he's got WordPress. And so then he has justgot from A to B how you, you set this up.
And so it's got pictures. It's got real easy steps for you to be ableto just go through bam, bam, bam,This is how you put it onto your WordPresswebsite. Okay, Now come backto Music Side project. Start addingthe details needed for the album,the cover art where bios, things like thisand he's basically got thisfrom all the way along. How you do thisand it's it's it's really good It'sI even me with my relativelylack of technical skills I went okayI could definitely do this because it's just so laidout in a really, really easy manner.
So the Music Side projectis definitely for those. It's kind of like thatintermediate stage and is what isis really, really helpful. Now we'll get onto the rather technicalone once again. Steven B with a thingcalled the split kit dot com and this is used utilisessomething called the value time split. I didn't talk about this specificallyin the latest episode because it israther technical. It is rather hardto get your head around. But basicallythe value time split means as someone is listeningto your show, the value block. So this is whereyou put your information for where you want moneyto be sent to you.
So in this case, you know,I've got in my value. BLOCK So this show, 50% comes to me. 15% is going to goto a developer that I choose of. I've got some othermultiple wallets which have somefunctionalities, like allowing me to see boostin different ways and just split up for other things. And then I sendanother 10% to developers. Now what this means is I can have all of thatinformation. So if you think ofthat as as my album or as my as meas the producer here, this is where I could thengo, okay, but what if I would loveto play some music but have their informationduring that section when the song is playing?
And so this is whatthe value time split does. It means that portion, that sectionwhere the money is coming to me, I can then change it so that whilethe song is playing, anyone who's listening,anyone who's boosting that goes directlyto the artist. Now there's a lot ofthings under the hood here which allow thisall to happen. And so this iswhere the split kit Dcoms website comes inand allows you to kind of do this real timeor after the fact. So if I was doing a liveDJ sets, for example, so this is this is where it gets tricky because you want todo this in a I suppose in an, in a method where you can do this as,as your, as a, as a DJ.
So most of the use cases I'm talking about rightnow, a DJ comes in, they have a list of songsthat they want to play and they're going to come in and say, All right,I want to be able to put this particularmusician in as the as the person who's going to receive the money,and then that that will actually go to them. So I'm just logging inas we speak to Split Kit Gqom and I'm going to tryand show you like a little demonstrationhere, live hand ofof how you might do this. And so basically what you do is you go on to thiswebsite and you say, create a new event.
So this would be okay, my,my podcast episode. So in particular, this is for someonewho wants to do a DJ set or create a playlist,for example, using Value for value music. And so I wouldcome onto here and I would say, okay,I've got my default thing. So this is when wheneverI'm speaking, this is when I wantsomeone else. I want the moneyto be coming to me and then I've got a song. So let's just I've picked a cherryon top by anti Costello when and this alreadypopulates her information. So when I play this song,when I click the button, it will go to her.
And so when that's active, all the moneyis now going to her and you can kind of see,okay, if I just keep adding extraand extra songs into this, you will create a big listthat will come down. And if you look at somethinglike behind the schemes, they've got a big just list here showing,okay, this is how many songsthey've got and as they're playingtheir episode, they can justclick buttons. So it's very muchas if you could imagine how a radio station doeswhere they know they've got a liveradio station, they've gotsome songs queued up when they're supposed to stop speaking thatpress the button, the song startsplaying immediately, and then you can havethose, you know, fade in and fade outeffects at the same time song plays, They can goto the bathroom, they can do whateverin that time period, when the song is comingback and finishing, they then click the button to go back to themselves.
So as as they are the thethe top person. So now it's, you know,it's like the microphone isis going to them again and this is when we gookay cool suite now we'll be able to have have not just my microphone onbut also the money coming to mewhile my microphone is on. So very,very cool thing here. The split kit become very,very useful. And Steven has createdsomething that is yeah, it'sa really powerful thing and you wouldprobably want to use this in can in connectionwith another thing he's got which is calledsovereign feeds. But now that is getting into the really,really technical RSS, be able to manually edityour feed writing in code and things like this.
So we'll, we'll leave itas that for the moment. So it's basicallya switchboard. The cool thing is a lot of apps are starting to supportthis functionality. So if you look at all theI was meant to list, I think I listedmost of them. So the Fountain podcastindex here, Costa Pod fanshave those available shows to filter for music,but they also support the value time split. So if you're listening on one of those, as a listenerwanting to give back to the musicians tothe artist and to the DJ, they support this functionalitywhere it does all the switchingbehind the scenes.
And then there's someothers like podcast Guru, Pod Vers and Costa Matic also supporting this or will be supportingthis in the near future. So this is super,super cool and I guess getting overone of the hurdles that I will be shortand talking about in in a second,which is the technology. The technologyis really hard. So what I'm trying to do with this episode in particularis just say, Hey, there is some easyservices you can use. There's some harder onesif you want. The more in-depth,the juicy, the real meat ofof what's going to go on, this is goingto completely revelation revolutionise music.
But it is hardat this stage it's still still requiressome some working it still requiresa bit of playing around. You definitely need to be playing aroundwith these things because it's not super,super easy as of yet. But I'm surprisedby how quickly this is allstarting to move. It's it's very,very cool in that aspect. So let's jump onto,I suppose, some of the hurdlesthat I think value forvalue music is going to start encountering. There'sthere's quite a few things which are, I suppose just just going to crop upand which will need to be addressed.
The first one I've already somewhat mentionedis technology. So using the value timesplit is really hard for you,producing it, creating it, and then also for the applicationssuch as all of these podcast players and any futuremusic players to, to do that kind of coding in the background,to really acknowledge all of these things, to use micropayments,you know, there's the Internet'sbeen around forever and we still haven'thad that ability as until really recently withI think podcasting, like I mentioned,podcasting 2.0 is kind ofone of the first use caseswhere you see, okay, micropayments really do seem to actually bedoing something, they doseem to be working. So the skillsto be a great musician do not necessarily overlapwith being a good user of technology.
It doesn't it doesn't equate in my mind that the best musiciansare going to be able to jump onto these thingsearly. They're probably goingto have to wait until the tools are available or they're really,really motivated. Now, the good thing is that money is apretty good motivation. And so as we talked aboutin the last episode, you know, if you're only getting $2 per CPMand you can bump this up into something closer to like 20 or like,you know, ten X the amount as Ainsley Costello did and as some othermusicians are having somesome hit songs, as youcan see on the wave like and you can see the amountsthat they're earning on.
There you go. Okay. The forthe amount of plays that they're getting, they're probablygetting close to that, you know,like at a hundred CPM or certainly more than the $2which Spotify says and which is probablya lot lower considering just some of the thingsthat I've heard from musiciansover the years. So it's going to take timefor someone to build that one perfect app or that oneperfect thing, which is super easy uploading musicput in your thing. It's going to rely on somemore Bitcoin adoption. It's going to relyon a fair few things. But there's there's a,there's a there's a lotbehind the surface here and it's really,really going to kick off.
Another thingthat I see popping up, which is not technologyrelated, is or it's kind ofin that middle ground which is not honouringthe splits. So things, things can juststraight up change. So for example, in my feed, in my own RSS feed,the value for value show, I've switched itacross multiple times. So you would have heard inseason two, I was saying, you know,for this episode, 30% or 50%, I can't remember how muchI put is going to this podcast because I use clipsfrom their episode. I was doing these thingswhen I changed. Host All of that got wiped outor it's in the background and soI need to get to it.
But you know, that's going to takelike 4 hours of effort to really reconstructall of that. And you know,no one's boosting those episodesas of this moment. So I don't feel badbecause it's not going to there.But you can kind of see when when thingschange, when things break and there's moneyon the line, people can get upsetabout that. They can getyou know, like you told me, you were going to put this in orthere was an expectation this would happen. And all of this is builton the the promise of thefor video and the premise of Vfor V, which is, you know, I providesomething of value and you provide itback to me voluntarily.
It's all ofthis is voluntarily. And I thinkthat can be some things which will happenwhere people will will not not recognise thatthis is really voluntary and there is expectations, but they're notcontractual expectations. You know, if you sign onto Spotifyand you give them your bankand bank details, for them to be ableto send you the money that they have generatedfrom playing your music and they accidentally,you know, forget it or like, woops, we deletedyour bank details and we'll get around to it in like three months time. You know, that's that's probably notacceptable in this case.
It is kind of acceptable because I've gotso much on I've got tons of thingsto do. I don't have time to check my feed all the timeand make sure are your details correct. And if you know, if you updateyour details, if you change your your value details,that's going to require me to change things as well. So a lot ofthis is going to be on reputation'son relationships kind of in this phase, and it is probablyjust worth noting that if you're coming inexpecting, you know, realpolished, real I put something here and it's going to staylike this forever. Like, don't expect thatit's it's going to change.
Things will happen both technologicallyspeaking and on the people side of thingswhere there is, you know,the money might not go where you thinkit will go. Let's let's just put itthat way and we can see. So wave like, for example, they don't honourthe splits that are alreadyin episode. So Abel and the Wolf,for example, for eachof their different tracks, they have, you know, separate things. Going to this personcreated episode art to thisyou know, track. They've got, you know, this personalso collaborated. They provided some drumsor they provided some tunes or some vocals.
They get a splitand they organised all of that freehand. So, you know, this ishow much you'll get. The thing is,you know, wavelike doesn't acknowledgethat at the moment. So if you send the money through wavelike to them at the moment it, itdoesn't capture that. So just one of thosethings where it's like, okay, you know,just, just, just be careful,just, just acknowledge this stuff is not goingto be super, super on the pointas of this moment. The last little hurdlethat I had here was, I suppose,just the explaining evangelising learning.
I saw some discussions on the podcastindex, Mastodon talking about, you know, everyone'sexcited about this. There's a there's excitementis palpable in the air. But we just have toacknowledge and be careful about,okay, you don'twant to come across as a scammy,I suppose in a way. And when it'sinvolving money, when it's involving, you know, Bitcoin,which is Internet money, there'sthere's a lot of radars which can get pinged off. And I experienced this sometimeswhen I was trying to explain this conceptto people and I was tryingto explain it to it was kindof a crypto guy and I was tryingto explain all of this to him.
But because there's like five, eightdifferent moving pieces, it's so,so hard to get it across. So what I wouldjust say is I found it'sbest to ask questions, to listen more, to ask,you know what? How is somethinglike Spotify serving you? How is the music industryserving you? And I'm pretty suremost of them will say like, it's not serving methat well. It's theseare the problems. And then I would justkind of go, you know, his here, here'ssome things that might interest you. There's this way to do itin a decentralised manner where, yeah, as long as you retainthe rights to your music, you can put this online and you can have people kind of voluntarilypaying you and you know you'll earn aboutthe same, if not more.
You still need to createa really good song, you still need to havegood music, but is there's ways to do this which are not throughthe traditional manner and then just kind ofleave it at that. Don't get too caught upin the excitement and being like pushing itin people's faces because that that just generally doesn'ttend to work so well. So yeah, that's the,the other small hurdle now, the big one, the big elephantin the room is that we're dealingwith money here. And history has shown that the music industry gets pretty pissed off when you starteating into their lunch.
And so not justpretty pissed off, but like big timepissed off. Let's just look at Napsterin the early days of the Internet or,you know, the early 2000. They revolutionised musicby being able to have, you know, peer to peersharing of digital audio done through torrenting. And all you would have to dois, you know, go online and you could accessall of this music. You wouldn'thave to pay for it, and it's just availableat your fingertips. You know,there was some tech things happeningthere at the moment. You had to knowhow to use something like LimeWire or PirateBay or things like this, or go to Napster.
It was a little bitbefore my time, so I don't have the experienceof actually using it. But youcould see, you know, what did the musicindustry do from that? Well, they started suing and so they wentafter Napster. They went off toto individual people. I'm pretty surethat was a story of a kid who, look, he probablywent a bit overboard and I think downloaded,you know, 13,000 100,000 songsor something from there. And they you know, justto make an example of him, they went after him. But you can see there's there's a lot of thingsthat are going to be behind the surface.
And there'sa lot of people with really big moneyand with lawyers who if they feelthat you are circumventing the industry, if they feel like you're cheating themout of money, they're going to comefor you, they will come for you. And so let's let's just alltake a moment here to to be sensible. If you are, and we'll go fromthe most egregious to the to the least, if you are straight up ripping offa song of Metallica and putting itas your own music on on Wavelike or onone of these places and, you know, puttingin your own personal Bitcoin lightning address and getting moneyfor someone else's work, that's wrong.
That's a plain bad thing. You should not be doingthat. And that's unfortunately, some people are goingto do this because everyone always does this. But that's the kind ofbehaviour which is just straight upnot acceptable. That's not value for valuebecause you didn't create the value,you stole that off from someone else. What if you want todo a cover of a song? Okay, well, this is where it'sgetting into murky area. And you would probably say if you're accepting moneyfrom this at the moment, that's not a great ideato do because there are all sorts of IPcopyright laws and they can getpretty nasty.
And if these people find out that'swhat you're doing, you'regetting money from a cover that you've doneof someone else. You don't own the rights to that musicbecause you have used a you know, you're stealing someone else'scopyright or IP. I personally gotsome issues with that, but this is the waythe system set up at the moment that that'sthat's a bad thing. And if you are if, if you're going to beputting that up online, it's and getting moneyfor that once again, you're probably goingto get some questions and people knocking on your doorif it turns out to be, you know, substantialportions of money.
What if you want toinclude a sample? I mean, there's going to be a lot of questionscoming up regarding what is rightand what is fair and what is actuallyyours. And at justat these small days, let's let's all kind ofbe sensible and just say you needto have created the song and from kind of likestart to finish and the higher you go up, if you're questioningyourself, should I do this? The answer is probably no. Should I steal Metallica'smusic and put it up? No. Should I doa cover of this? A bit iffy, probably no. Should I use a sample? Yeah, maybe,but probably. Nah.
So all of thiswill get sorted out and it look,it sounds a bit gloomy and people are likelyto get hurt in this and it, it, it will becomea big thing. So I would just sayas an individual, if you are especially for the musician,for the creator, just, just, just bea little bit careful. Just at least have itput a little thought into if you're uploading somethingand you're iffy about it, have a real hardthink about if you want to do that. So, you know,sounds a bit gloomy. It sounds like sucks, but I think this isreally going to be a foundational switchto an industry that does haveso many problems.
So this is where it is like super excitingbecause you can see there'sso much stuff going on. There is so many peopleexcited about this, both on the listener side and on the on the creatoron the musician side. So I think this is going to really, really changea lot of things and it's going to be very,very cool. So I'm going to jumpnow onto the Boostagram Lounge.
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Welcome to the valuefor Value Boostagram Lounge.
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This has beena pretty good week for me and I've just got some interesting thingsto show up and so I'm going to show up on my screenhere at the moment. So we had Cole McCormick coming in red hot five, four, ninetwo, his favourite number of percent using found. He says music and podcasts is a legit culture change. Excited to seewhat happens when bigger hosting sites integrateSplit Kit and other tech so people can just clickand go yes, bang on call. I 100% agree. We also have another little section here from Guy Smileyand he says V for V and then he justputs in a link.
And I was like,okay, what's this? And it's wave like dotcom slash track. And then it's got a whole string of digitsand numerals. And I was like, okay,what's what's this thing? Let me go check it out. And what it actually wasis he is the musician or an artistand he has a song which has been prettypopular. It's called Heads Up from Incomingfrom the Airwaves by the band. Rightin Progress. I believe so. Or I might have. Yeah. Yeah,I believe that's right. And you can just see herethey've earned 159,000 sets, got 17 supporters onwave like I've heard that songplayed a couple of times on other on some of these DJ setswhich I will be talking about soon and you can really seeokay, there's some, there's some really excitingcool stuff coming on and you know, I would just recommend checking outthat song in particular, you know, check up,heads up and and just rock out to it.
So we've got another onehere. Now, this was fromAnonymous, but I might it might be Gene Banebecause I know Cosmetic was having this sorry,this was from pod verse. I will just leave itas anonymous might needto look at the time split. And so they sent in 807 sets. I thinkthat's probably wrong. So I'm guessing that'sprobably a boob boost. I'm guessingthat's 8008 sets because my linkages toto these messages kind of got brokenfor a little bit. So I'm just trying to doas best as I can here. Then they also sayyea RSS woo. So that was also sentthrough using POD voice and that was 1614 which yeah,I think was ten set amount,so probably 16,000.
So Wolf, thank you.Thank you, my friend. Very cool. And I can alsosee I've had one couple come inhere, Burberry and he says Beautiful life17,776 Moyal sentusing the Berkeley and then he asks, is there a chat roomwith an 8888 now? There isn'tat the moment, mate. I'm it's on my to do list. I've got so many things toto do. But I will I will be creating thisand I want to do it so I can do thisacross the various shows. So not not at thisparticular moment unfortunately,but it is coming I will spend the time toto make that happen and to to yeah,do that kind of properly.
So thank you everyonefor sending in a boost. You might be asking,you know, what is a boost well a boost is a messagethat you send within the podcastingapp of your choice, or you can even do it on the desktop usingsomething like I'll be the I'll be extensionthat I was talking about and you can sendin a message directly to the showto help support me in my in my effortsto to do this. It said I can also see hereon the podcast index Macedonia saysif you add the boost bot to the splitboost will appear as replies in the thread.Okay. Also another thing that I,I need to get onto, there was one extra little bit that I wantedto put in here and this was fromcardboard giraffe, and I saw this on on the fenceand it wasn't a boost that was sent in per se,but it did just get me, I thinkshows the excitement.
And so I'm just goingto read this here. EVERSONEver since I was a kid, I got way more excited about finding new musicthan anyone around me. I thought, how sickwould it be to be able to have my own radio channelwhere I could share the stuff I get excitedabout without having to shove itin the faces of my friends once again,talking about not shoving itand not being too excited. Now could be the time. And then he's got a little emojilooking sideways face. I'm not a techieperson though, so I'm really hoping there are some simple waysto do this right. I really would appreciateany suggestions for ELI5, which is explain like on five levellearning material.
Thanks in advance.Piece of emoji sign. So that's, you know, part of what I'mdoing for this episode. So I really hope this is an episode that'll help you outa couple of days off and I'm doing the extra effort to put this on YouTubeas well, to, to be able to,to show people and to be ableto have an easy link so that you can actually have a visual representation of what'sgoing on as well. So that is the gremlins. Thank you, everyone, for for sending a messagein once again. You know,if you want to stream stats to meand to the person who I'll be giving 15%to this week and to 10% to other developers, I really doappreciate that.
And yeah, it does help to supportthis show, support me. And you know, it'sa value for value show is not getting valuefor value support, then I'm kind of doomed. None of my shows will just say, Yeah, thank you,thank you everyone for for boosting that in. And you'll seein the chapter art, all the people areboosted in. I put them in the the chapter artfor this section so as a as a visualthanks as well. Okay let'sget on to some tips. And as I was saying,like just, just please keep itabove board. If you're about uploadingthe music, you probably shouldn'tdo it.
You know, don't put it inyour normal podcast feed. If you're not willingto have a band come after you as well. And I suppose this is just getting to thethe value for value ethos. You can take this musicand the thing with value for value is itis this upfront thing. There are no contractualobligations. You know, when you upload something to Spotify, I'm sure that there is a big long thingthat they say which says, you know, we can do thiswith your music and this is what canand can't be done. And you know, there'sno expectation. There's expectations of, you know, we won't put an ad midwaythrough your song.
You know, what is probably going tohappen is as people are creatingthese DJ shows and I'll explainsome of them in a second, there's probablygoing to be some things where it's like, Oh, I don't likethis person, but they're playingmy music and it's what you just have toacknowledge is if you're going downthis route as a musician, as a creator,as an artist, you're giving this music upfor the wider people to just appreciateand enjoy and how they do that, howthey create an experience around that musicyou might not like. And so if you kind of comeafter someone for for doing that, like I said, it's probably going to bein this reputational and and relationships phaseif you don't like someone and what they've doneto your music in terms of perhapsthey put a cut in it, perhaps they spoke over a sectionas they were fading or fading out, or perhaps they put it on a showwhere you didn't think it should be or you didn'tlike being associated that it's better to reach outdirectly to them.
It's better to be compassionate,be understanding and just recognise this is the valuefor value model. If you're puttingsomething out there, people are going tovalue it in different ways and they're goingto chop it and they're going tocreate it and they're going todo different things to it and that the importantpoint to recognise also is that there issome expectations. If you put valuefor valuing music up as a deejay and you'recreating things, you should put that inas the values split in your in your own feed. And this is wheresome like, you know, kind of negotiation typethings might happen.
Adam Curry, for example,he puts in 95%. So when he's playing a song, 95% ofit goes to the artist, 5% goes to himand I think that's he does that kind ofjust to be able to see the messagesthat are coming in and to be able to have some tellingand perhaps, you know, a little bit for his owneffort during that time, If you feelthat's not acceptable, if you feelit should be 100%, you know, reach out to him and he might say, no,I'm not going to do that. So I probably won't play my music on your showor your music on my show. There'sall these sorts of things.
So so I just want toI just want to reiterate the my tip is don'tcome in guns blazing, be compassionate. And if you have a problem with what someone is doing with your music,if you have a problem with how your musicis being presented, if you have a problemwith any of this stuff, just be compassionate,be calm, be rational, and not not cause issues that could be solvedwith a simple email or a simple messageor something like that. So that's justjust my little tip here. I do want to give a this is the normal AppleService highlight section. Look, if you want to keep upto date with a lot of this stuff,what's going on?
I would just recommend checking out the podcastindex. Mastodon. So if you go to podcastindex dot social, you'll be able to see that you'll be ableto create an account relatively easy to use. Has a kind of Twitterlike feed but is or X, but it's I actually preferit much more because it's chronological. So yeah, you don't get blasted with actualall of these updates details and crazycrazy different things. So there's that one there and Ijust want to list out some of the showswhich are actually already starting to do thesekind of radio DJ sets. So I talked aboutthe Boostagram ball with Adam Currybeforehand.
So there's a websiteyou can go to there. He's got some detailsabout how you can tweet that out and also just some of the appsthat you can use which sort of support the show,supporting the music. So basically all of the ones I listed podcast Addictas well is on there. And you know, he's got a list of musicon today's shows and he's got links outto those shows which will take you tothe wave like album. So that's one definitelyjust there. There's another showwhich is called James's Random MusicShow Thing. So this is from James Cridland, the owner,host of Pub News.
He's got thatthat one there. So it's very much anexperimental type thing. There's a couplethat I found out just today in preparationfor for this show. So there's one calledthe Black Cat Music Project,a black, black music podcast by Riley, andhe plays some definitely some songs here. He's only got one episode out at the moment, but that was releasedjust today. So very, very cool. Another one here by our called It's A Mood,and this is by Mike Newman, I believe, and he's got four episodesout at this very moment. And you can just see if you go on to somewherelike pop verse, it's pretty cool.
So you can kind of seethe chapters and the different songsthat are popping up in here. It's got to, you know, bridge the different songsthat he's got so very, very cool. His own value for valuesection in there, most of theseare typically about half an hourto an hour long at the moment. But you can imagine the it's getting longerin the future. Now behindthe schemes is a podcast, but I can see thatthey have and this is by Burberry who was pushing injust before. So definitely check outbehind this games if you there'sis probably one of the most unique podcastsI've ever seen.
They are absolutely wildin there. It's super super cool. They, they they areon the cutting edge of all of these things. And they hadan episode here called before This Games, which was on the 21stof August. So that was two days ago. And if you go on to to here nowfor them, they he didn't put any deejay typethings in there so this is more of a playlist of thingsthat he enjoyed. And there's just a wholebunch of songs here. So if you go in throughthat, that's pretty cool. I heard this one Dope. Let'ssee if I can click on it and they'll give me more informationSo as dope by the hurling pixels, I think if I go to the show noteshere, it'll give me some more details.
Hurling pixels dope. That was a pretty coolsong. I quite enjoyed that. So, you know,it's a great way to discover new music,to find new things. So there's that onethere as well. There's another showcalled The Fairly Fun Show, and now you'llnotice all of these. They only have like two or three episodes or fourbecause all of this stuff was inventedlike two weeks ago. It's crazy. So that was by SilasVoigt. And once again, he'sgot a mix of kind of show the shows songs. He I didn'tactually play this one, so this could just beanother another a straight up just youknow, this is the songs playing themone after the other.
Although I do see somepretty big breaks. So he might just not have his own sectionsin there as well. So if you want toexperience what it is liketo have a DJ set of this value for value music, there's a few suggestionsright there for you. So we're coming intothe end section here and who am I going to givea mad shout out to for for all of this 15%for this episode? I can't get past Steven BThis dude is created in five different components that are all somewhatessential to do this. You know, the split kitis super, super critical. Ellen beats just as ausual thing to use.
Kiera Costa So you can appreciatethe music and send in thingsand participate in this. The, you know, he's, he's basically like at allends of the spectrum, he is creating thingshe's helping now with what was it the music sideproject he's, helping people upload like he'sjust doing so much so 50%. Steven Bell What an absolute mad lab Chad for doingand creating all of this. So, so appreciated. So yeah, I'm going toleave it there for today. Thank youeveryone for, for helping do this once again, I would just recommendchecking out the D podcast index Mastodonif you want to get in contact with people.
And just for me, you know, this is a value for valueshow. I do all of this free of charge, you know,just put it all out there. All I want to dois help people create thingsto connect deeper with their audience. And, you know, if you can get paidfor that as well, that is just absolutelysublime and perfect. So I would just recommend,you know, if you want to helpparticipate in that, send in something for me. And once again,value is very subjective. It doesn'thave to be a boost. You can sendin a suggestion, you know, participatingin the live chat like Blueberry has doneor in the live experience.
You can also participate by giving merecommendations for music that you've found that you really enjoyedor other DJ sets that you want me tocall out, please, You know, send those in through to meif you want to. I don't know. Recommendsome better audio for me. I actually have put up my sound panelsall around the room, so hopefully my audiois sounding a little bit better than a couple of the previousepisodes and. There'sjust so many things. But you know, what isvaluable is is very subjective. So all of this isjust super cool, super exciting, super new.
And I do just recommend,you know, if you if you wantto send this out as well. So I have done a videoof this. So if you want to be able to recommend this in an easylink to someone, I will put a link down in the shownotes of the video that I've createdfor this too, to be able to upload and to to be able to send thatso that they can kind of visually seewhat's going on as well. So I just recommend thatas well. And yeah, other than that, I hope you're havinga fantastic day wherever you arein the world. I hope you're excitedabout music, excited about the futurein the next episode.
I'm probably going to do it a little bitdifferent cause I've got a friend'swedding this weekend, so not going to haveas much time to prep. So I will be doing an episode on the Common V4Vmisconceptions for the next episode,so get excited for that. And yet until the nexttime, chao for now Kyrin out.
The FAQ ofthe new music revolution. Welcome everyoneto another episode of the Valuefor Value Podcast. This is the podcast for those digital contentcreators. For those listeners who want to supporttheir favourite creators about how they can do that, using the valuefor value model and avoid thingslike paywalls, like ads and sponsorshipsand things like that. Whhhooooof, this is going to bea big episode because we are talkingabout the music revolution and this is really continuing on from the last episodewhere I was highlighting what is valuefor value music and how musicians and artists are finding a new wayto connect deeper with their audienceand also get paid at the same time and avoid all of the crazyshenanigans that are going on with Spotifyand kind of just the broken music industrythat it is. So.
This episode titled How to Access V4VMusic the hurdles to supportingmusicians and Artists. So basicallywhat I'm going to do is I'll give a rundownof the services, the apps that you can use,both as a creator, as a deejay, as a musician,and as a listener. It's going fromeasiest to hardest. I'm then going to go over the kind of hurdlesthat is we're seeing forfor V, for the music, because it's not going to be super easy,at least at this stage. And then there's onebig elephant in the room before we finally getting on to some boostagrams,some tips, some other apps andservices and highlights.
So let's just dive into the showand I'm going to also be doing this visually. So if you want to seethis on YouTube, there'll be a video there. Let's start off with probablythe easiest one, which anyone can come into,and this is Wavelike. And so Wavelike isa service that is popped up, which is reallygreat for a listener because if you go to wavelike icon and this is wave without the E,so a V like e dot com, you can go up there and basicallyone of the good things is you can really just startfor easily listening an easyhosting of your music. So if you're a listeneryou can just go there.
There's got a wave like radio,there's got a party mode, there's a trending pageof this new releases. It's very easily clickable and you can kind ofclick it and it will play even when you're going toother tabs. So that really niceexperience of being ableto continually listen to music, even whilstusing a website. Now the other cool thingfor this is for musicians. So let's say you'rea musician, but perhaps you're notsuper tech savvy,perhaps you don't really know, youknow, what is an RSS feed, How do podcasts workthings like this? Well, what you can go doonto here is just go onto the this studio tabthat they have.
They've got a thing. Are you an artist bandrecord label, a podcaster interested in uploading audioto wave like you say? Yes. And then basicallyyou just start going through the process of adding a new name,a band, you know, social linksthat you can use. Once you go through that, you can then go on to the audio taband stop uploading things. So very, very easyservice service for to use some of the thingsthat they have is instantly playable with the click, the point,the upload abilities, there's charts,there's leaderboards commentsfor the listener as well.
So if you go on to a songand you just want to to check it out,you want to see what's what's happening on it, you can go thereand they've got a message board,they've got all sorts of different thingsgoing on with that. So very, very coolservice to be able to use some limitations with it. It's not as smooth for somethinglike boosting or for, I guess like lackinga bit of deeper options for splits and some of the real technical thingswhich we've seen happening with podcasting. As I mentionedin the Brewster Gramps and the streaming episodes, two or threeepisodes before this, they don't haveall of those technical capabilitiesas of yet, but they are gettingcloser and closer.
So for those who are just interestedin value for value music, the probablythe easiest place to go to at this currentmoment is wavelength. Now let's sayyou are a listener and you want to starthaving a bit more functionalitywith what you're doing, or at leastjust being able to to search for the musicbecause it is kind of hard to know, okay,what is music that is value for valueenabled? Where can I find this? Probably the easiest place to go forthis is Ellen Beats. So this is Lema. I'm not sure what the usefor end is for nunchucks Beats Tor.com.
And this is a a website hosted by Stephen Bellow,created by Stephen Bell. And that'san important name because he is goingto pop up quite regularly for this. And essentiallyit is a website where you can just go and see all the differenttypes of music so you can searchby album. They've got a just a big page herelisting things down and you can supportyour favourite artist within this websiteas well. It's got a a wallet functionality here which connects with your Albi account,so you will probably need one of those if you want to support people as wellbecause that is very useful.
So Albi is a extensionthat you add onto your browserwhich allows you to send micropaymentsto people directly. So that'sjust a good place. You know,it's really simple. It's probablymore of a proof of concept and a testing groundfor how music will show up in a feed and it's ratherthan a pure music app. And so for thosewho are a listener and they're wondering,okay, where can I go to get the best experience, a Spotifyor a YouTube like YouTube music,like experience for listeningto V for V music where, you know,I can click on the button, I can search it allhave functionalities.
And tell me more aboutthe artist it will be. It'll have that musicfirst experience. Well, unfortunately we don't really havethose at the moment. This is also brand new that we're probably goingto be waiting for a little whileuntil a really smooth application comes along. Now what I can say is thatthere are some places where you can search formusic quite nicely. So for example, if you go onto Fountain Dot FM, so Fountain, use the Fountainapp on your phone. This will give youthere is a tab there where you can searchfor music. If you go to the podcastindex website, there is a little button herewhich has music, so you can dothat as well.
If you go on to Cairo. Costa They have a musictab as well where you canclick on that and it will populate somesome of the music musiciansup on the site here. So that's very helpfulas well. The POD fans hasa search function and play functions, but the thing withall of these is that they're more suitedfor other things. They're more suitedas a podcast app. And so we're really yetto have one, which is a pure music firstapplication experience, particularlyon the mobile. There's there's none that are really,really suited for that. But as I said, it's, it's relatively newso we'll, we'lljust stay with there.
Now let's get on to some ofthe more technical things. So we talked about wavelike we talked about Ellen Beats. Now the next one is musicSide Project. Once again, Steven Bellhas created this and this is justbasically a way for you to be able to constructyour own RSS feed. So this is forthe musician, the artist who has a bitof technical capabilities that can probably useWordPress, for example. They know roughly,you know, what a website is,how to upload audio to places,how to, you know, do a couple of things onthe Internet. It's not too crazy.
And basicallythis is a way where it gives youa lot more functionality than something like Wave like to be ableto host your own music. So I did a little testalbum here for myself and started along thethe process. So the good thing isthat with this is he's got a great tutorial, so if you goto the tutorial, it's basicallylike easily build the RSS feedneeded to value, enable your musicand make it available in a modern podcastapp or music player. Choose your hostingsolution. And he's got WordPress. And so then he has justgot from A to B how you, you set this up.
And so it's got pictures. It's got real easy steps for you to be ableto just go through bam, bam, bam,This is how you put it onto your WordPresswebsite. Okay, Now come backto Music Side project. Start addingthe details needed for the album,the cover art where bios, things like thisand he's basically got thisfrom all the way along. How you do thisand it's it's it's really good It'sI even me with my relativelylack of technical skills I went okayI could definitely do this because it's just so laidout in a really, really easy manner.
So the Music Side projectis definitely for those. It's kind of like thatintermediate stage and is what isis really, really helpful. Now we'll get onto the rather technicalone once again. Steven B with a thingcalled the split kit dot com and this is used utilisessomething called the value time split. I didn't talk about this specificallyin the latest episode because it israther technical. It is rather hardto get your head around. But basicallythe value time split means as someone is listeningto your show, the value block. So this is whereyou put your information for where you want moneyto be sent to you.
So in this case, you know,I've got in my value. BLOCK So this show, 50% comes to me. 15% is going to goto a developer that I choose of. I've got some othermultiple wallets which have somefunctionalities, like allowing me to see boostin different ways and just split up for other things. And then I sendanother 10% to developers. Now what this means is I can have all of thatinformation. So if you think ofthat as as my album or as my as meas the producer here, this is where I could thengo, okay, but what if I would loveto play some music but have their informationduring that section when the song is playing?
And so this is whatthe value time split does. It means that portion, that sectionwhere the money is coming to me, I can then change it so that whilethe song is playing, anyone who's listening,anyone who's boosting that goes directlyto the artist. Now there's a lot ofthings under the hood here which allow thisall to happen. And so this iswhere the split kit Dcoms website comes inand allows you to kind of do this real timeor after the fact. So if I was doing a liveDJ sets, for example, so this is this is where it gets tricky because you want todo this in a I suppose in an, in a method where you can do this as,as your, as a, as a DJ.
So most of the use cases I'm talking about rightnow, a DJ comes in, they have a list of songsthat they want to play and they're going to come in and say, All right,I want to be able to put this particularmusician in as the as the person who's going to receive the money,and then that that will actually go to them. So I'm just logging inas we speak to Split Kit Gqom and I'm going to tryand show you like a little demonstrationhere, live hand ofof how you might do this. And so basically what you do is you go on to thiswebsite and you say, create a new event.
So this would be okay, my,my podcast episode. So in particular, this is for someonewho wants to do a DJ set or create a playlist,for example, using Value for value music. And so I wouldcome onto here and I would say, okay,I've got my default thing. So this is when wheneverI'm speaking, this is when I wantsomeone else. I want the moneyto be coming to me and then I've got a song. So let's just I've picked a cherryon top by anti Costello when and this alreadypopulates her information. So when I play this song,when I click the button, it will go to her.
And so when that's active, all the moneyis now going to her and you can kind of see,okay, if I just keep adding extraand extra songs into this, you will create a big listthat will come down. And if you look at somethinglike behind the schemes, they've got a big just list here showing,okay, this is how many songsthey've got and as they're playingtheir episode, they can justclick buttons. So it's very muchas if you could imagine how a radio station doeswhere they know they've got a liveradio station, they've gotsome songs queued up when they're supposed to stop speaking thatpress the button, the song startsplaying immediately, and then you can havethose, you know, fade in and fade outeffects at the same time song plays, They can goto the bathroom, they can do whateverin that time period, when the song is comingback and finishing, they then click the button to go back to themselves.
So as as they are the thethe top person. So now it's, you know,it's like the microphone isis going to them again and this is when we gookay cool suite now we'll be able to have have not just my microphone onbut also the money coming to mewhile my microphone is on. So very,very cool thing here. The split kit become very,very useful. And Steven has createdsomething that is yeah, it'sa really powerful thing and you wouldprobably want to use this in can in connectionwith another thing he's got which is calledsovereign feeds. But now that is getting into the really,really technical RSS, be able to manually edityour feed writing in code and things like this.
So we'll, we'll leave itas that for the moment. So it's basicallya switchboard. The cool thing is a lot of apps are starting to supportthis functionality. So if you look at all theI was meant to list, I think I listedmost of them. So the Fountain podcastindex here, Costa Pod fanshave those available shows to filter for music,but they also support the value time split. So if you're listening on one of those, as a listenerwanting to give back to the musicians tothe artist and to the DJ, they support this functionalitywhere it does all the switchingbehind the scenes.
And then there's someothers like podcast Guru, Pod Vers and Costa Matic also supporting this or will be supportingthis in the near future. So this is super,super cool and I guess getting overone of the hurdles that I will be shortand talking about in in a second,which is the technology. The technologyis really hard. So what I'm trying to do with this episode in particularis just say, Hey, there is some easyservices you can use. There's some harder onesif you want. The more in-depth,the juicy, the real meat ofof what's going to go on, this is goingto completely revelation revolutionise music.
But it is hardat this stage it's still still requiressome some working it still requiresa bit of playing around. You definitely need to be playing aroundwith these things because it's not super,super easy as of yet. But I'm surprisedby how quickly this is allstarting to move. It's it's very,very cool in that aspect. So let's jump onto,I suppose, some of the hurdlesthat I think value forvalue music is going to start encountering. There'sthere's quite a few things which are, I suppose just just going to crop upand which will need to be addressed.
The first one I've already somewhat mentionedis technology. So using the value timesplit is really hard for you,producing it, creating it, and then also for the applicationssuch as all of these podcast players and any futuremusic players to, to do that kind of coding in the background,to really acknowledge all of these things, to use micropayments,you know, there's the Internet'sbeen around forever and we still haven'thad that ability as until really recently withI think podcasting, like I mentioned,podcasting 2.0 is kind ofone of the first use caseswhere you see, okay, micropayments really do seem to actually bedoing something, they doseem to be working. So the skillsto be a great musician do not necessarily overlapwith being a good user of technology.
It doesn't it doesn't equate in my mind that the best musiciansare going to be able to jump onto these thingsearly. They're probably goingto have to wait until the tools are available or they're really,really motivated. Now, the good thing is that money is apretty good motivation. And so as we talked aboutin the last episode, you know, if you're only getting $2 per CPMand you can bump this up into something closer to like 20 or like,you know, ten X the amount as Ainsley Costello did and as some othermusicians are having somesome hit songs, as youcan see on the wave like and you can see the amountsthat they're earning on.
There you go. Okay. The forthe amount of plays that they're getting, they're probablygetting close to that, you know,like at a hundred CPM or certainly more than the $2which Spotify says and which is probablya lot lower considering just some of the thingsthat I've heard from musiciansover the years. So it's going to take timefor someone to build that one perfect app or that oneperfect thing, which is super easy uploading musicput in your thing. It's going to rely on somemore Bitcoin adoption. It's going to relyon a fair few things. But there's there's a,there's a there's a lotbehind the surface here and it's really,really going to kick off.
Another thingthat I see popping up, which is not technologyrelated, is or it's kind ofin that middle ground which is not honouringthe splits. So things, things can juststraight up change. So for example, in my feed, in my own RSS feed,the value for value show, I've switched itacross multiple times. So you would have heard inseason two, I was saying, you know,for this episode, 30% or 50%, I can't remember how muchI put is going to this podcast because I use clipsfrom their episode. I was doing these thingswhen I changed. Host All of that got wiped outor it's in the background and soI need to get to it.
But you know, that's going to takelike 4 hours of effort to really reconstructall of that. And you know,no one's boosting those episodesas of this moment. So I don't feel badbecause it's not going to there.But you can kind of see when when thingschange, when things break and there's moneyon the line, people can get upsetabout that. They can getyou know, like you told me, you were going to put this in orthere was an expectation this would happen. And all of this is builton the the promise of thefor video and the premise of Vfor V, which is, you know, I providesomething of value and you provide itback to me voluntarily.
It's all ofthis is voluntarily. And I thinkthat can be some things which will happenwhere people will will not not recognise thatthis is really voluntary and there is expectations, but they're notcontractual expectations. You know, if you sign onto Spotifyand you give them your bankand bank details, for them to be ableto send you the money that they have generatedfrom playing your music and they accidentally,you know, forget it or like, woops, we deletedyour bank details and we'll get around to it in like three months time. You know, that's that's probably notacceptable in this case.
It is kind of acceptable because I've gotso much on I've got tons of thingsto do. I don't have time to check my feed all the timeand make sure are your details correct. And if you know, if you updateyour details, if you change your your value details,that's going to require me to change things as well. So a lot ofthis is going to be on reputation'son relationships kind of in this phase, and it is probablyjust worth noting that if you're coming inexpecting, you know, realpolished, real I put something here and it's going to staylike this forever. Like, don't expect thatit's it's going to change.
Things will happen both technologicallyspeaking and on the people side of thingswhere there is, you know,the money might not go where you thinkit will go. Let's let's just put itthat way and we can see. So wave like, for example, they don't honourthe splits that are alreadyin episode. So Abel and the Wolf,for example, for eachof their different tracks, they have, you know, separate things. Going to this personcreated episode art to thisyou know, track. They've got, you know, this personalso collaborated. They provided some drumsor they provided some tunes or some vocals.
They get a splitand they organised all of that freehand. So, you know, this ishow much you'll get. The thing is,you know, wavelike doesn't acknowledgethat at the moment. So if you send the money through wavelike to them at the moment it, itdoesn't capture that. So just one of thosethings where it's like, okay, you know,just, just, just be careful,just, just acknowledge this stuff is not goingto be super, super on the pointas of this moment. The last little hurdlethat I had here was, I suppose,just the explaining evangelising learning.
I saw some discussions on the podcastindex, Mastodon talking about, you know, everyone'sexcited about this. There's a there's excitementis palpable in the air. But we just have toacknowledge and be careful about,okay, you don'twant to come across as a scammy,I suppose in a way. And when it'sinvolving money, when it's involving, you know, Bitcoin,which is Internet money, there'sthere's a lot of radars which can get pinged off. And I experienced this sometimeswhen I was trying to explain this conceptto people and I was tryingto explain it to it was kindof a crypto guy and I was tryingto explain all of this to him.
But because there's like five, eightdifferent moving pieces, it's so,so hard to get it across. So what I wouldjust say is I found it'sbest to ask questions, to listen more, to ask,you know what? How is somethinglike Spotify serving you? How is the music industryserving you? And I'm pretty suremost of them will say like, it's not serving methat well. It's theseare the problems. And then I would justkind of go, you know, his here, here'ssome things that might interest you. There's this way to do itin a decentralised manner where, yeah, as long as you retainthe rights to your music, you can put this online and you can have people kind of voluntarilypaying you and you know you'll earn aboutthe same, if not more.
You still need to createa really good song, you still need to havegood music, but is there's ways to do this which are not throughthe traditional manner and then just kind ofleave it at that. Don't get too caught upin the excitement and being like pushing itin people's faces because that that just generally doesn'ttend to work so well. So yeah, that's the,the other small hurdle now, the big one, the big elephantin the room is that we're dealingwith money here. And history has shown that the music industry gets pretty pissed off when you starteating into their lunch.
And so not justpretty pissed off, but like big timepissed off. Let's just look at Napsterin the early days of the Internet or,you know, the early 2000. They revolutionised musicby being able to have, you know, peer to peersharing of digital audio done through torrenting. And all you would have to dois, you know, go online and you could accessall of this music. You wouldn'thave to pay for it, and it's just availableat your fingertips. You know,there was some tech things happeningthere at the moment. You had to knowhow to use something like LimeWire or PirateBay or things like this, or go to Napster.
It was a little bitbefore my time, so I don't have the experienceof actually using it. But youcould see, you know, what did the musicindustry do from that? Well, they started suing and so they wentafter Napster. They went off toto individual people. I'm pretty surethat was a story of a kid who, look, he probablywent a bit overboard and I think downloaded,you know, 13,000 100,000 songsor something from there. And they you know, justto make an example of him, they went after him. But you can see there's there's a lot of thingsthat are going to be behind the surface.
And there'sa lot of people with really big moneyand with lawyers who if they feelthat you are circumventing the industry, if they feel like you're cheating themout of money, they're going to comefor you, they will come for you. And so let's let's just alltake a moment here to to be sensible. If you are, and we'll go fromthe most egregious to the to the least, if you are straight up ripping offa song of Metallica and putting itas your own music on on Wavelike or onone of these places and, you know, puttingin your own personal Bitcoin lightning address and getting moneyfor someone else's work, that's wrong.
That's a plain bad thing. You should not be doingthat. And that's unfortunately, some people are goingto do this because everyone always does this. But that's the kind ofbehaviour which is just straight upnot acceptable. That's not value for valuebecause you didn't create the value,you stole that off from someone else. What if you want todo a cover of a song? Okay, well, this is where it'sgetting into murky area. And you would probably say if you're accepting moneyfrom this at the moment, that's not a great ideato do because there are all sorts of IPcopyright laws and they can getpretty nasty.
And if these people find out that'swhat you're doing, you'regetting money from a cover that you've doneof someone else. You don't own the rights to that musicbecause you have used a you know, you're stealing someone else'scopyright or IP. I personally gotsome issues with that, but this is the waythe system set up at the moment that that'sthat's a bad thing. And if you are if, if you're going to beputting that up online, it's and getting moneyfor that once again, you're probably goingto get some questions and people knocking on your doorif it turns out to be, you know, substantialportions of money.
What if you want toinclude a sample? I mean, there's going to be a lot of questionscoming up regarding what is rightand what is fair and what is actuallyyours. And at justat these small days, let's let's all kind ofbe sensible and just say you needto have created the song and from kind of likestart to finish and the higher you go up, if you're questioningyourself, should I do this? The answer is probably no. Should I steal Metallica'smusic and put it up? No. Should I doa cover of this? A bit iffy, probably no. Should I use a sample? Yeah, maybe,but probably. Nah.
So all of thiswill get sorted out and it look,it sounds a bit gloomy and people are likelyto get hurt in this and it, it, it will becomea big thing. So I would just sayas an individual, if you are especially for the musician,for the creator, just, just, just bea little bit careful. Just at least have itput a little thought into if you're uploading somethingand you're iffy about it, have a real hardthink about if you want to do that. So, you know,sounds a bit gloomy. It sounds like sucks, but I think this isreally going to be a foundational switchto an industry that does haveso many problems.
So this is where it is like super excitingbecause you can see there'sso much stuff going on. There is so many peopleexcited about this, both on the listener side and on the on the creatoron the musician side. So I think this is going to really, really changea lot of things and it's going to be very,very cool. So I'm going to jumpnow onto the Boostagram Lounge.
[00:29:11] Unknown:
Welcome to the valuefor Value Boostagram Lounge.
[00:29:19] Unknown:
This has beena pretty good week for me and I've just got some interesting thingsto show up and so I'm going to show up on my screenhere at the moment. So we had Cole McCormick coming in red hot five, four, ninetwo, his favourite number of percent using found. He says music and podcasts is a legit culture change. Excited to seewhat happens when bigger hosting sites integrateSplit Kit and other tech so people can just clickand go yes, bang on call. I 100% agree. We also have another little section here from Guy Smileyand he says V for V and then he justputs in a link.
And I was like,okay, what's this? And it's wave like dotcom slash track. And then it's got a whole string of digitsand numerals. And I was like, okay,what's what's this thing? Let me go check it out. And what it actually wasis he is the musician or an artistand he has a song which has been prettypopular. It's called Heads Up from Incomingfrom the Airwaves by the band. Rightin Progress. I believe so. Or I might have. Yeah. Yeah,I believe that's right. And you can just see herethey've earned 159,000 sets, got 17 supporters onwave like I've heard that songplayed a couple of times on other on some of these DJ setswhich I will be talking about soon and you can really seeokay, there's some, there's some really excitingcool stuff coming on and you know, I would just recommend checking outthat song in particular, you know, check up,heads up and and just rock out to it.
So we've got another onehere. Now, this was fromAnonymous, but I might it might be Gene Banebecause I know Cosmetic was having this sorry,this was from pod verse. I will just leave itas anonymous might needto look at the time split. And so they sent in 807 sets. I thinkthat's probably wrong. So I'm guessing that'sprobably a boob boost. I'm guessingthat's 8008 sets because my linkages toto these messages kind of got brokenfor a little bit. So I'm just trying to doas best as I can here. Then they also sayyea RSS woo. So that was also sentthrough using POD voice and that was 1614 which yeah,I think was ten set amount,so probably 16,000.
So Wolf, thank you.Thank you, my friend. Very cool. And I can alsosee I've had one couple come inhere, Burberry and he says Beautiful life17,776 Moyal sentusing the Berkeley and then he asks, is there a chat roomwith an 8888 now? There isn'tat the moment, mate. I'm it's on my to do list. I've got so many things toto do. But I will I will be creating thisand I want to do it so I can do thisacross the various shows. So not not at thisparticular moment unfortunately,but it is coming I will spend the time toto make that happen and to to yeah,do that kind of properly.
So thank you everyonefor sending in a boost. You might be asking,you know, what is a boost well a boost is a messagethat you send within the podcastingapp of your choice, or you can even do it on the desktop usingsomething like I'll be the I'll be extensionthat I was talking about and you can sendin a message directly to the showto help support me in my in my effortsto to do this. It said I can also see hereon the podcast index Macedonia saysif you add the boost bot to the splitboost will appear as replies in the thread.Okay. Also another thing that I,I need to get onto, there was one extra little bit that I wantedto put in here and this was fromcardboard giraffe, and I saw this on on the fenceand it wasn't a boost that was sent in per se,but it did just get me, I thinkshows the excitement.
And so I'm just goingto read this here. EVERSONEver since I was a kid, I got way more excited about finding new musicthan anyone around me. I thought, how sickwould it be to be able to have my own radio channelwhere I could share the stuff I get excitedabout without having to shove itin the faces of my friends once again,talking about not shoving itand not being too excited. Now could be the time. And then he's got a little emojilooking sideways face. I'm not a techieperson though, so I'm really hoping there are some simple waysto do this right. I really would appreciateany suggestions for ELI5, which is explain like on five levellearning material.
Thanks in advance.Piece of emoji sign. So that's, you know, part of what I'mdoing for this episode. So I really hope this is an episode that'll help you outa couple of days off and I'm doing the extra effort to put this on YouTubeas well, to, to be able to,to show people and to be ableto have an easy link so that you can actually have a visual representation of what'sgoing on as well. So that is the gremlins. Thank you, everyone, for for sending a messagein once again. You know,if you want to stream stats to meand to the person who I'll be giving 15%to this week and to 10% to other developers, I really doappreciate that.
And yeah, it does help to supportthis show, support me. And you know, it'sa value for value show is not getting valuefor value support, then I'm kind of doomed. None of my shows will just say, Yeah, thank you,thank you everyone for for boosting that in. And you'll seein the chapter art, all the people areboosted in. I put them in the the chapter artfor this section so as a as a visualthanks as well. Okay let'sget on to some tips. And as I was saying,like just, just please keep itabove board. If you're about uploadingthe music, you probably shouldn'tdo it.
You know, don't put it inyour normal podcast feed. If you're not willingto have a band come after you as well. And I suppose this is just getting to thethe value for value ethos. You can take this musicand the thing with value for value is itis this upfront thing. There are no contractualobligations. You know, when you upload something to Spotify, I'm sure that there is a big long thingthat they say which says, you know, we can do thiswith your music and this is what canand can't be done. And you know, there'sno expectation. There's expectations of, you know, we won't put an ad midwaythrough your song.
You know, what is probably going tohappen is as people are creatingthese DJ shows and I'll explainsome of them in a second, there's probablygoing to be some things where it's like, Oh, I don't likethis person, but they're playingmy music and it's what you just have toacknowledge is if you're going downthis route as a musician, as a creator,as an artist, you're giving this music upfor the wider people to just appreciateand enjoy and how they do that, howthey create an experience around that musicyou might not like. And so if you kind of comeafter someone for for doing that, like I said, it's probably going to bein this reputational and and relationships phaseif you don't like someone and what they've doneto your music in terms of perhapsthey put a cut in it, perhaps they spoke over a sectionas they were fading or fading out, or perhaps they put it on a showwhere you didn't think it should be or you didn'tlike being associated that it's better to reach outdirectly to them.
It's better to be compassionate,be understanding and just recognise this is the valuefor value model. If you're puttingsomething out there, people are going tovalue it in different ways and they're goingto chop it and they're going tocreate it and they're going todo different things to it and that the importantpoint to recognise also is that there issome expectations. If you put valuefor valuing music up as a deejay and you'recreating things, you should put that inas the values split in your in your own feed. And this is wheresome like, you know, kind of negotiation typethings might happen.
Adam Curry, for example,he puts in 95%. So when he's playing a song, 95% ofit goes to the artist, 5% goes to himand I think that's he does that kind ofjust to be able to see the messagesthat are coming in and to be able to have some tellingand perhaps, you know, a little bit for his owneffort during that time, If you feelthat's not acceptable, if you feelit should be 100%, you know, reach out to him and he might say, no,I'm not going to do that. So I probably won't play my music on your showor your music on my show. There'sall these sorts of things.
So so I just want toI just want to reiterate the my tip is don'tcome in guns blazing, be compassionate. And if you have a problem with what someone is doing with your music,if you have a problem with how your musicis being presented, if you have a problemwith any of this stuff, just be compassionate,be calm, be rational, and not not cause issues that could be solvedwith a simple email or a simple messageor something like that. So that's justjust my little tip here. I do want to give a this is the normal AppleService highlight section. Look, if you want to keep upto date with a lot of this stuff,what's going on?
I would just recommend checking out the podcastindex. Mastodon. So if you go to podcastindex dot social, you'll be able to see that you'll be ableto create an account relatively easy to use. Has a kind of Twitterlike feed but is or X, but it's I actually preferit much more because it's chronological. So yeah, you don't get blasted with actualall of these updates details and crazycrazy different things. So there's that one there and Ijust want to list out some of the showswhich are actually already starting to do thesekind of radio DJ sets. So I talked aboutthe Boostagram ball with Adam Currybeforehand.
So there's a websiteyou can go to there. He's got some detailsabout how you can tweet that out and also just some of the appsthat you can use which sort of support the show,supporting the music. So basically all of the ones I listed podcast Addictas well is on there. And you know, he's got a list of musicon today's shows and he's got links outto those shows which will take you tothe wave like album. So that's one definitelyjust there. There's another showwhich is called James's Random MusicShow Thing. So this is from James Cridland, the owner,host of Pub News.
He's got thatthat one there. So it's very much anexperimental type thing. There's a couplethat I found out just today in preparationfor for this show. So there's one calledthe Black Cat Music Project,a black, black music podcast by Riley, andhe plays some definitely some songs here. He's only got one episode out at the moment, but that was releasedjust today. So very, very cool. Another one here by our called It's A Mood,and this is by Mike Newman, I believe, and he's got four episodesout at this very moment. And you can just see if you go on to somewherelike pop verse, it's pretty cool.
So you can kind of seethe chapters and the different songsthat are popping up in here. It's got to, you know, bridge the different songsthat he's got so very, very cool. His own value for valuesection in there, most of theseare typically about half an hourto an hour long at the moment. But you can imagine the it's getting longerin the future. Now behindthe schemes is a podcast, but I can see thatthey have and this is by Burberry who was pushing injust before. So definitely check outbehind this games if you there'sis probably one of the most unique podcastsI've ever seen.
They are absolutely wildin there. It's super super cool. They, they they areon the cutting edge of all of these things. And they hadan episode here called before This Games, which was on the 21stof August. So that was two days ago. And if you go on to to here nowfor them, they he didn't put any deejay typethings in there so this is more of a playlist of thingsthat he enjoyed. And there's just a wholebunch of songs here. So if you go in throughthat, that's pretty cool. I heard this one Dope. Let'ssee if I can click on it and they'll give me more informationSo as dope by the hurling pixels, I think if I go to the show noteshere, it'll give me some more details.
Hurling pixels dope. That was a pretty coolsong. I quite enjoyed that. So, you know,it's a great way to discover new music,to find new things. So there's that onethere as well. There's another showcalled The Fairly Fun Show, and now you'llnotice all of these. They only have like two or three episodes or fourbecause all of this stuff was inventedlike two weeks ago. It's crazy. So that was by SilasVoigt. And once again, he'sgot a mix of kind of show the shows songs. He I didn'tactually play this one, so this could just beanother another a straight up just youknow, this is the songs playing themone after the other.
Although I do see somepretty big breaks. So he might just not have his own sectionsin there as well. So if you want toexperience what it is liketo have a DJ set of this value for value music, there's a few suggestionsright there for you. So we're coming intothe end section here and who am I going to givea mad shout out to for for all of this 15%for this episode? I can't get past Steven BThis dude is created in five different components that are all somewhatessential to do this. You know, the split kitis super, super critical. Ellen beats just as ausual thing to use.
Kiera Costa So you can appreciatethe music and send in thingsand participate in this. The, you know, he's, he's basically like at allends of the spectrum, he is creating thingshe's helping now with what was it the music sideproject he's, helping people upload like he'sjust doing so much so 50%. Steven Bell What an absolute mad lab Chad for doingand creating all of this. So, so appreciated. So yeah, I'm going toleave it there for today. Thank youeveryone for, for helping do this once again, I would just recommendchecking out the D podcast index Mastodonif you want to get in contact with people.
And just for me, you know, this is a value for valueshow. I do all of this free of charge, you know,just put it all out there. All I want to dois help people create thingsto connect deeper with their audience. And, you know, if you can get paidfor that as well, that is just absolutelysublime and perfect. So I would just recommend,you know, if you want to helpparticipate in that, send in something for me. And once again,value is very subjective. It doesn'thave to be a boost. You can sendin a suggestion, you know, participatingin the live chat like Blueberry has doneor in the live experience.
You can also participate by giving merecommendations for music that you've found that you really enjoyedor other DJ sets that you want me tocall out, please, You know, send those in through to meif you want to. I don't know. Recommendsome better audio for me. I actually have put up my sound panelsall around the room, so hopefully my audiois sounding a little bit better than a couple of the previousepisodes and. There'sjust so many things. But you know, what isvaluable is is very subjective. So all of this isjust super cool, super exciting, super new.
And I do just recommend,you know, if you if you wantto send this out as well. So I have done a videoof this. So if you want to be able to recommend this in an easylink to someone, I will put a link down in the shownotes of the video that I've createdfor this too, to be able to upload and to to be able to send thatso that they can kind of visually seewhat's going on as well. So I just recommend thatas well. And yeah, other than that, I hope you're havinga fantastic day wherever you arein the world. I hope you're excitedabout music, excited about the futurein the next episode.
I'm probably going to do it a little bitdifferent cause I've got a friend'swedding this weekend, so not going to haveas much time to prep. So I will be doing an episode on the Common V4Vmisconceptions for the next episode,so get excited for that. And yet until the nexttime, chao for now Kyrin out.
