In Ep #2 we take a look from this side of the mic. What does it feel like talking into the void as a new podcaster? The answer is a mix of relief and sadness. Relief because your crappy show is not being judged by the whole world, and sadness in that you’re not sure if what you are doing is worth anything at all. I’ve taken a snippet from a recent convo I had with Pete Smissen from the Aussie English podcast and he helps explain why a simple email can actually make a huge difference.
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Welcome you beautiful, beautifulsoul to episode two of the value for value podcast, we've doneit, we've broken through the number two barrier, episode two,the bane of every podcaster. This is when you know thatyou're legit. My name is Kyrin, and I'm the host of the MereMortals podcast. And I am also diving into the world of thevalue for value model here. And today, I wanted to talk to youabout more some of the things that occur on this side of themicrophone. And so I'm really going to focus today on thefeeling of talking to the void, and in particular connectionsthat leave you saying dot dot, dot Damn. Now, this relates todelayed feedback and gratification. So one of thethings with podcasting and I suppose creating anything andputting it out there into the world, it's very unlike a worksituation, or sports or family, or a barbecue, or reallyanything social media, for the most part, you're going to betrapped in a room working and editing on your computer. Andthere is a necessary delay between these things between thecreation, the proliferation, the consumption, and then thefeedback. And unless you are doing it live, of course, thatis a totally different ballgame.
Because then you as thelistener, get to give that feedback, give that value backin a live sort of setting in the chat and whatnot. But today,we're going to be talking about the more standard practice ofpodcasting in particular. So, one of the things that happensis a podcast, especially when you're starting fresh for thefirst time. So I'm talking about the true independent creator,the true small guy, who, you know, they think, oh, you knowwhat, I'm gonna start a podcast, I've got something to say, orthis could be interesting, or for whatever reason, there's somany reasons that people start podcast. But when you do stuffthe first time and you don't have any following at all, itreally does feel like a void.
And this can be both anexhilarating and great thing and an absolutely soul crushing,disappointing thing. The first thing is, once you start yourealize all those fears you have of man, I need to make thispurchase because everyone's going to be listening, becauseyou know, this is going out to the whole world, you realize, ohcrap is really not going out to the whole world, this doesn'tmatter too much. Because no one is actually listening apart fromyour mom and your dad, and you know, the standard jokes that goon. The other thing, though, is no one's listening. So for along time you are unless you hit it off real big, real quick,which is really, really unlikely, you're going to bestruggling there. And this is where the delay gratificationand even I guess motivation sort of comes in, you have to be havean alternate source as the independent as the Creator asthe podcaster. To keep going because you're gonna get onemonth in, you're gonna get six months in, you could even getlike one and I a year in a year and a half, before you reallystart gaining a little bit of traction, you might have acouple of consistent viewers and ways to connect with them. Andso that connection is what really, really matters in thisstage of it. Because you can't rely on your own internalmotivation for forever, you do need some external motivation.Because just doing something because it really pleases you,is beautiful and great. But if you're really taking itseriously, and if you're really looking to, you know, make thisa lifestyle, and in particular a lifestyle, which you do all ofthe time, then it's where you need to actually, you know, becreating something that is a value to other people. There's,I'm sure there's many, many podcasts out there, which arebeautiful, they're wonderful for the person who's doing it, maybeit's a form of therapy, maybe it's getting their own thoughtsout and ordering them and all that which is beautiful. But isthat super helpful for other people? Maybe not. And maybethey're content with that. But this is for those people who arereally trying to push on a little bit and get into the nextlevel. So today, I'm going to play a clip for you from arecent conversation I had with Pete from the Aussie Englishpodcast. And I really wanted to highlight this because he had areally good answer to a question I posed him. And so the questionwas, what's one of the most valuable interactions thatyou've had? What are some of the things that people have said toand that have given you an internal satisfaction thatmeaning that that value, I guess you would say, and so I'm gonnaplay the clip now. And yeah, we'll discuss more about what hesaid in the aftermath.
A lot of them end up I just endup developing friendships with because they'll email me they'llcomment on things or chat to me on Instagram or on videos. Andsometimes you just click and so some of our closest familyfriends now, Brazilians have moved to Australia, and they'vemessaged me on my wife, and we've got to know them. And thenthey're just like, can we hang out and do something you want tocome over for a barbecue? And, yeah, those kinds ofinteractions are really special. Other ones where, you know,you'll hear about people, they'll send you emails, andthey'll tell you, you know, I'm trying to come to Australia, andthen a few years later, they'll be like, I'm here. Like, I didit, you know, those kinds of things. And you know, thanks foryour podcast. It's really helped those kinds of things. reallytouching and you just like, shit, you don't really have anunderstanding of, of all of this going on in the background rightof all these people doing their things their daily life, theyyou know, their wins their failures. And then sometimesthey'll just email you and tell you about the wins, and you'rejust like, damn, there's two things that reallyjumped out at me from what Pete said just then. The first isnotice that he said, the winds and the failures. And for me, Ithink this really indicates that it doesn't really matter whereyou as the audience member, the listener, the fan, have what youwant to describe yourself, what sort of state you're in, doesn'tmatter so much more the fact that you're giving that valueback, and that you're being able to tell the person, hey, this issomething that I really got from your podcast. So it really canbe saying, you know, I was in a really deep, dark place. Andthis helped me out from that, hey, that's fantastic. Or man,I'm doing really well. And this was a important note for me, etcetera, or, man, I'm experiencing this exact samething that you're going through.
And, you know, I'm not reallysure what to do. I'm in a similar place of loneliness, etcetera, et cetera. The most important thing is, I guess,being able to know that, hey, there is someone on the otherside, because when you just receive silence, in return, whenthere's nothing going on, you automatically either assume noone's listening, or what you're saying doesn't matter. And it'snot worth of anything to anyone. The second was the medium. So hementioned two examples there one, which is a crazy story ofhow he randomly came across two Brazilians while in Canberra,and they'd been listening to him for years and years, and it wastheir first couple of days in Australia, and he was basicallythe first Australian they'd met.
Wow, that's incredible. That's asort of once in a lifetime occurrence. But the other one isas simple as an email, you know, it's rather impersonal, youcan't hear the person's voice or see them or that sort of thing.But you still can get these amazing connections of, ofhearing of someone going through something as crazy as completelymoving a country and whatnot. So I think both are really, reallygood. And I would just say, an add to that, you know, withinreason, if you're in a really bad state, and maybe dumpingyour whole life story on to someone isn't the best idea. Andthen also, on the other end, if you're super excited, andemotional, and just sending a barrage of of communicationwithout really thinking about it a real one way communication,that's not so great, either. But I think both of those wereimportant points that should be gained from this. I'll talk alittle bit later about how I like to connect with podcasters,and maybe even my most favored and cherished interaction thatI've got so far. But I just want to leave with an encouragementto write a message, send an audio or maybe even do somethinga little bit beyond the pale, to reach out to one of yourfavorite podcasters, whether they're big or small. In thesmallest case, it does seem to matter a lot more because whenit's your first thing coming in, or you know, one that you onlyreceive once a month, or once a year, hey, that's a fantasticmessage. But even the big people like Pete, who gets numerous,numerous messages and emails a day, he still has the time andthe appreciation for these sorts of things. So that's just mylittle bit of such a suggestion and advice for today. Andsomething that I can ask for you from the listener, if you'vegotten to this point, to do that, reach out to someone andsay, Hey, I really enjoyed this, or, Hey, I didn't enjoy this,maybe even some constructive feedback is always nice as well.So that's it for today on the value for value podcast. Thankyou for joining me to this point. Once again, if you'relistening on a podcasting 2.0 app, that's probably the bestplace as you get some of the things like the chapters andwhatnot in there. And one I can just suggest to you is fountainI've really jumped onto that recently and the clippingfeature, combined with the ability to sensitize us to myfavorite podcasters has been really, really great. I'vereally enjoyed that. And in terms of just slickness of theapp is just been really nice. So if you're looking for one,there's a suggestion fountain.
Other than that, I hope you'rehaving a fantastic day wherever you are in the world. Kyrin out
Welcome you beautiful, beautifulsoul to episode two of the value for value podcast, we've doneit, we've broken through the number two barrier, episode two,the bane of every podcaster. This is when you know thatyou're legit. My name is Kyrin, and I'm the host of the MereMortals podcast. And I am also diving into the world of thevalue for value model here. And today, I wanted to talk to youabout more some of the things that occur on this side of themicrophone. And so I'm really going to focus today on thefeeling of talking to the void, and in particular connectionsthat leave you saying dot dot, dot Damn. Now, this relates todelayed feedback and gratification. So one of thethings with podcasting and I suppose creating anything andputting it out there into the world, it's very unlike a worksituation, or sports or family, or a barbecue, or reallyanything social media, for the most part, you're going to betrapped in a room working and editing on your computer. Andthere is a necessary delay between these things between thecreation, the proliferation, the consumption, and then thefeedback. And unless you are doing it live, of course, thatis a totally different ballgame.
Because then you as thelistener, get to give that feedback, give that value backin a live sort of setting in the chat and whatnot. But today,we're going to be talking about the more standard practice ofpodcasting in particular. So, one of the things that happensis a podcast, especially when you're starting fresh for thefirst time. So I'm talking about the true independent creator,the true small guy, who, you know, they think, oh, you knowwhat, I'm gonna start a podcast, I've got something to say, orthis could be interesting, or for whatever reason, there's somany reasons that people start podcast. But when you do stuffthe first time and you don't have any following at all, itreally does feel like a void.
And this can be both anexhilarating and great thing and an absolutely soul crushing,disappointing thing. The first thing is, once you start yourealize all those fears you have of man, I need to make thispurchase because everyone's going to be listening, becauseyou know, this is going out to the whole world, you realize, ohcrap is really not going out to the whole world, this doesn'tmatter too much. Because no one is actually listening apart fromyour mom and your dad, and you know, the standard jokes that goon. The other thing, though, is no one's listening. So for along time you are unless you hit it off real big, real quick,which is really, really unlikely, you're going to bestruggling there. And this is where the delay gratificationand even I guess motivation sort of comes in, you have to be havean alternate source as the independent as the Creator asthe podcaster. To keep going because you're gonna get onemonth in, you're gonna get six months in, you could even getlike one and I a year in a year and a half, before you reallystart gaining a little bit of traction, you might have acouple of consistent viewers and ways to connect with them. Andso that connection is what really, really matters in thisstage of it. Because you can't rely on your own internalmotivation for forever, you do need some external motivation.Because just doing something because it really pleases you,is beautiful and great. But if you're really taking itseriously, and if you're really looking to, you know, make thisa lifestyle, and in particular a lifestyle, which you do all ofthe time, then it's where you need to actually, you know, becreating something that is a value to other people. There's,I'm sure there's many, many podcasts out there, which arebeautiful, they're wonderful for the person who's doing it, maybeit's a form of therapy, maybe it's getting their own thoughtsout and ordering them and all that which is beautiful. But isthat super helpful for other people? Maybe not. And maybethey're content with that. But this is for those people who arereally trying to push on a little bit and get into the nextlevel. So today, I'm going to play a clip for you from arecent conversation I had with Pete from the Aussie Englishpodcast. And I really wanted to highlight this because he had areally good answer to a question I posed him. And so the questionwas, what's one of the most valuable interactions thatyou've had? What are some of the things that people have said toand that have given you an internal satisfaction thatmeaning that that value, I guess you would say, and so I'm gonnaplay the clip now. And yeah, we'll discuss more about what hesaid in the aftermath.
A lot of them end up I just endup developing friendships with because they'll email me they'llcomment on things or chat to me on Instagram or on videos. Andsometimes you just click and so some of our closest familyfriends now, Brazilians have moved to Australia, and they'vemessaged me on my wife, and we've got to know them. And thenthey're just like, can we hang out and do something you want tocome over for a barbecue? And, yeah, those kinds ofinteractions are really special. Other ones where, you know,you'll hear about people, they'll send you emails, andthey'll tell you, you know, I'm trying to come to Australia, andthen a few years later, they'll be like, I'm here. Like, I didit, you know, those kinds of things. And you know, thanks foryour podcast. It's really helped those kinds of things. reallytouching and you just like, shit, you don't really have anunderstanding of, of all of this going on in the background rightof all these people doing their things their daily life, theyyou know, their wins their failures. And then sometimesthey'll just email you and tell you about the wins, and you'rejust like, damn, there's two things that reallyjumped out at me from what Pete said just then. The first isnotice that he said, the winds and the failures. And for me, Ithink this really indicates that it doesn't really matter whereyou as the audience member, the listener, the fan, have what youwant to describe yourself, what sort of state you're in, doesn'tmatter so much more the fact that you're giving that valueback, and that you're being able to tell the person, hey, this issomething that I really got from your podcast. So it really canbe saying, you know, I was in a really deep, dark place. Andthis helped me out from that, hey, that's fantastic. Or man,I'm doing really well. And this was a important note for me, etcetera, or, man, I'm experiencing this exact samething that you're going through.
And, you know, I'm not reallysure what to do. I'm in a similar place of loneliness, etcetera, et cetera. The most important thing is, I guess,being able to know that, hey, there is someone on the otherside, because when you just receive silence, in return, whenthere's nothing going on, you automatically either assume noone's listening, or what you're saying doesn't matter. And it'snot worth of anything to anyone. The second was the medium. So hementioned two examples there one, which is a crazy story ofhow he randomly came across two Brazilians while in Canberra,and they'd been listening to him for years and years, and it wastheir first couple of days in Australia, and he was basicallythe first Australian they'd met.
Wow, that's incredible. That's asort of once in a lifetime occurrence. But the other one isas simple as an email, you know, it's rather impersonal, youcan't hear the person's voice or see them or that sort of thing.But you still can get these amazing connections of, ofhearing of someone going through something as crazy as completelymoving a country and whatnot. So I think both are really, reallygood. And I would just say, an add to that, you know, withinreason, if you're in a really bad state, and maybe dumpingyour whole life story on to someone isn't the best idea. Andthen also, on the other end, if you're super excited, andemotional, and just sending a barrage of of communicationwithout really thinking about it a real one way communication,that's not so great, either. But I think both of those wereimportant points that should be gained from this. I'll talk alittle bit later about how I like to connect with podcasters,and maybe even my most favored and cherished interaction thatI've got so far. But I just want to leave with an encouragementto write a message, send an audio or maybe even do somethinga little bit beyond the pale, to reach out to one of yourfavorite podcasters, whether they're big or small. In thesmallest case, it does seem to matter a lot more because whenit's your first thing coming in, or you know, one that you onlyreceive once a month, or once a year, hey, that's a fantasticmessage. But even the big people like Pete, who gets numerous,numerous messages and emails a day, he still has the time andthe appreciation for these sorts of things. So that's just mylittle bit of such a suggestion and advice for today. Andsomething that I can ask for you from the listener, if you'vegotten to this point, to do that, reach out to someone andsay, Hey, I really enjoyed this, or, Hey, I didn't enjoy this,maybe even some constructive feedback is always nice as well.So that's it for today on the value for value podcast. Thankyou for joining me to this point. Once again, if you'relistening on a podcasting 2.0 app, that's probably the bestplace as you get some of the things like the chapters andwhatnot in there. And one I can just suggest to you is fountainI've really jumped onto that recently and the clippingfeature, combined with the ability to sensitize us to myfavorite podcasters has been really, really great. I'vereally enjoyed that. And in terms of just slickness of theapp is just been really nice. So if you're looking for one,there's a suggestion fountain.
Other than that, I hope you'rehaving a fantastic day wherever you are in the world. Kyrin out
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