Not just content with revolutionising podcasting, how about music as well?
In Ep #36 I am covering how Sir Spencer and Able Kirby implement v4v on their show ‘AbleKraft’. The unique aspect they bring is a way of using this as a feeder show to link to their main project, an album they released as a value for value podcast called ‘Stay Awhile’ by Able and The Wolf. A creative way of keeping the feedback loop whilst not messing with the format of how a music album is normally structured.
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Not just content withrevolutionising podcasting. How about we domusic as well? Welcome, dear friends, to another episodeof the Value for Value Show My name is Kyrin, host of The Mere Mortals and the Mere Mortals Bookreviews podcasts. But I also do this onewhere I examine other people's podcastand how they are implementing the valuefor value model. So perhaps some things that they are doing uniquelythat we could take, steal, borrowfor our own shows, and then also maybe howthey're revolutionising the music industryat the same time. So yes, today we have AbleKraft by SirSpencer and Able Kirby.
Those two nameswill be familiar to you because Spencer was one of the hosts of the Bowl after Bowl and AbleKirby of Rare Encounter. Now, this is going to be slightly different because not only will I belooking at this podcast, AbleKraft, but also I guess technically it is a podcastthat they released called Stay a While by Ableand The Wolf. But this was moreof a music band formation. And basically to to explainthat, I'll have to explain what this show is. So the what they've writtendown for this show in the in the kind of descriptionis music production with avant gardedistribution.
So basically, this was a showwhere they examine the process of howthey were creating an album. So Spencer played drums,Able Kirby sang and also played guitar and perhapssome other instruments. I'm not a musician,so I can't tell of all the different thingsthat were going on in this actual album, but they were in the processof creating this album and they wantedto release it in a different way rather than having to gothrough Spotify and through, you know, the kind ofstandard music production. And I'll be reading outa kind of manifesto that they released,which explains why they why they did this in ain a short while.
So thethey started this, geez, if I goto the very first episode, it looks like this started onthe 16th of the seven 2021 and they released that albumon December 25th of 2021. So about nine months ago. And leading up to that,they had weekly episodes and that was, I guess,what you could call season one to the releaseof their album. And then since thenthey've been roughly, yeah, every fortnight, every monthreleasing another episode. And I guess season two,if you want to call it that, is more focusedaround the many projects that they'reworking on, how the album actually went.
So kindof like deconstruction of the processand yeah, more I know. So Spence is workingon a music app, so you know, thoughts around that basically still relatedto kind of the intersection between music distributionand, and podcasting. So the length of the show is typically 30 to 45 minutes,sometimes get up to an hour and format wiseit's mostly those two and usually they're remote. Both of them are locatedin the US. So I think for a couple of episodesthey did get together because they were by happenstance,kind of in the same location, but mostly remoteand every now and then with a guest.
But it's very free flowing and they'll explore all sorts of side topicsand whatnot sections wise for,for how the actual podcast was structured is usually they would start offwith the work on the album. So how the music process was going,the recording of tracks, MIDI complications,the, you know, sound stuff every now and then a little bit of what'sgoing on in their lives and kind of the miniprojects. They also would havea large section talking about podcasting 2.0because that was very particularand very interesting to them and which was part of the reasonwhy they kind of formed the bandwas because they wanted to try releasing musicin a totally new way, which had never been donebefore.
It wasso they would explore, you know, kind of the tags,how this would maybe be useful for themor not useful for them. And then afterwards,now they've they talk moreabout kind of the hackathon that's comingup, general gossip and just the overall newsthat's going on in podcasting 2.0that have a value for value section,not necessarily at the end, usually just somewherewithin and then I've just written here miscellaneous, So just other other things that wouldrandomly, randomly come up and this is reflectedin their show titles. So they've got thingslike no go, no girlfriends were harmed.
We are the chickens, my dude Erotica sisterto cyber buskers steering the collectivetakes a lot of spoons there. Their titlesreflect somewhat what what they're going on within the episodeand funny things. Now I did want to before I playa little section of them, just so you can get a feelfor their voices, read out the manifestothat they've got, or at least part of itfor the Valley for Value section of Ableand the Wolf. So this was the bandthey created. And the album that they released was calledStay a While. So says Staya While is a value for Value rock album that is published digitallyusing the podcasting to point or valueinfrastructure in the current period.
Paradigmof music publication out to submit to streaming services to monetise,and that's in equities. Their music and the paymentand the payout amounts to fractions of a centper stream. Their music is purposefullyundervalued by these corporationsso that they can pay artists as little as possible. It was our view that throughthe power of the internet, they smalland independent artist. Finally has accessto terrible one sided airplay deals which used to be reservedfor superstars. Woohoo!Yay! Go technology. And then if the streaming corporations have their way,nothing will change.
Then they basically talkabout the podcasting index, why that they chose to use this and why thatthey think this value system is much more accessible and isis more fair in a way. And how the overlap betweenperhaps the split payments works just as well for splitting payments between the different artistsinvolved with their album. So they would typically have someone who created aand chapter art, I guessyou could call it that, but also an album coveror a a single cover for each individual trackthat was released. And then they could putthat as part of a split.
And if I go to the actualfeed, the source of truth for for this, you can actually seethat they have all sorts of thingsgoing off to Burberry, to Lauren Roseto cotton gin, to people who have created the albumart that they created. So I'll playa little section here and this is fromabout 9 minutes in of the title called My NudeErotic Sister. And this was just beforethe release of the album, which would be happeningthe next day. And you can get a tastefor their voices. As far as we know,this is the first attempt to from scratchfrom the start, make an album geared exclusivelyfor podcasting 2.0 protocol, and it's a revolutionaryconcept.
It's a totally different wayto think about owning the production,owning the publishing, and choosing who tocollaborate with, you know? Yeah, And without anymiddleman or without any, you know,without getting stuck, we didn't ask permissionto do this, which correctthe first thing that I'm that's my number onetakeaway from podcasting 2.0 and the LightningNetwork in general. Yeah, I never asked anyoneif it was okay for me to open a node. I never had to makean account anywhere. I never had to ask anyoneif, you know, if I could host my well,like, you know, it's, it's, it's just we just did it,you know, just go outside and you sing a songin front of people.
You know,you don't have to submit to Spotify or ask, you know,you know, all these other like if you were tryingto get an agent or something like that to pedalling awayor somewhere, right? Yeah, She didn't have to doany of that. It's all completelyautonomous. You can do it yourself. Yeah. So you can see the ethosthere and the overlap between kind of valuefor value and podcasting to point outand what they want to do. So, you know, they didn't want anyoneto be telling them what they can and can't do. And this is why it's fantastic to have a systemsuch as Bitcoin where it's permissionlessand peer to peer.
You can just, you know, send moneywhichever way you want. And there'sno gatekeepers and whatnot. And, you know,releasing the music how they want to did not have to askfor permission for any labelsor for anyone to do this. And we'll get into shortlyabout how this has actually worked out to be quite more successfulfor them. But that's in the coming upsomething unique section. So for the valuefor value of implementation for this show, I'll say it'srelatively simple, and this is because I wouldI would say AbleKraft itself. The podcast is kind of a it's a it's a feederin a way.
It's not it'snot their main objective. The you know, this isn't the main podcastthat they're doing. Both of themhave two other podcasts, and this is almost like abehind the scenes group meeting for a band discussionif you want. And they just happened torecord it and put it online. So in terms of the valuefor value pitch, you know, it's not the biggest partof their show because this iskind of an incidental thing. So they still do BoostaGrams and they still do usually explainwhat value for value is. But I don't have reallyanything more to add to this book because like I said, it's kind of the it'snot it's not their main gig.
It's not the main thingthey're focusing on. The main thingwas, was the album. But for the album it was obviouslya lot more complex. So this is where they didhave multiple people coming in and, and, you know,contributing to the process. So this is where. Okay,All right. I'm going to have to addsome splits and or, you know, it's not I have toI want to I want to add splits into the peoplewho have helped me out. They also did spenda lot of time in, like I've said before,kind of the main areas of of where people understandvalue for value. So the sort ofno agenda area, but also on podcasting2.0 are talking about their albumsomewhat hyping it up and whatnot and, and I guessgenerating the interest and also talkingwith other artists and kind of onboarding them,implementing them, showing them, Hey,this is how you can actually do this.
So I will play a boostagram sectionjust so you get a feel for, for what they do there. And then after that we'llget onto something unique. So the boostagram saidthey're reading out from here or from an episodecalled Recycling the Planet. So this is one of thelatest episodes. So this was in, I believethat September of of sorry,that'll be July 9th, and this was about 46 minutes into an hourlong show.
[00:11:44] Unknown:
Well,I get some boostagrams pulled up I was gonnaI was just opening up very nice Why did youhit words you knock us off. We're starting from two weeks agoI think two weeks ago. I have a21212 sets toa2a2 from boobs. Booburry who says, Oh, fuck, yeah. You're going to make mewant to do it. Yeah. Thank you. Those for Borg acquisition for that episode,it looks like. Yes. At a fountain. There I see 11111 SATs from Harvhatfrom our hot or not episode. Luckyfor an after the fact boost. Oh, I see it. I see it right there. Very nice. Six Harvard. That'swhy he's on the leaderboard.
Harvard now,I think blueberries still at the topbecause I read that Hart had made itto the second place. Now the unknownboosting maniac, I don't think countsas a second place because it's a it's an aggregateof many unknown people. So Harvard, I think is isis the bananas Legion is a non his legion maybe we should have maybe we should have some kind of collective identity that everyone could settheir name to and boost. Oh yeah, that'sthe Kilroy booster. So I burst. Yes. All the people who don'twant to be named, you know, we had 2,222 satsfrom Mere Mortals podcast.
Yes, a little rolodex therefor ducks at a fountain. Yeah. And yeah, he says. Nice to hear you two backat the mic again. Any chancewe can get a sneak peek at the draftversion of the logo? My curiosity is peaking. I think he justwants to know if we got the EMUlook right. I've had it in my at the top of my show notes page for the last threeepisodes, so I've been looking at itall the time. I see it. Yeah. And it's in my it's the little icon for,for AbleKraft 32. So I think we can find a wayto add to that out. Maybe. Yeah.You're okay with it? I'm fine with it. Yeah.It still needs colouring it.
And I haven't since we discussed iton the show, I haven't doneany work on it at all. So yeah, it still looks likeit did when you said Yeah, change the blue. Change the blue.Oh I forgot about that. I completelyforgot about that. Yeah. I've seenthat's the last one you see. That's the least. That's, that'sthe last for me as well. All right. Well thank you KyrinMere Mortals podcast. I've been listening to thattoo, a little more than I. I do, by the way. Yeah. He's been cranking up somegood stuff lately. For sure. He's been. I never noticehow often he published.
Yeah, a every other day. I was like, Look at it. Oh,there's a lot. Then check that out.
[00:14:23] Unknown:
Blushing over here. So very kind offor them to say that. But you could see they also hadsome little hints there related to other stuffthey were doing. So they did have a kind ofleaderboard, too, to kind of,you know, show, oh, yeah, these are the people who have beencontributing the most and we really appreciate itof that, which is a a I don't knowif I stole it from them or if I'd stole that from other people, but that's a big predominant thing on our websitethat my my co-host one and I like to show the Mere Mortals podcastand the supporters page meremortalspodcast.com slash supporter forthose who are interested. So that was their main valuefor value implementation.
And you know, asking and thank you people for contributingand also for, you know,being able to share stuff related to the cover art and imagesand things like that. What's something uniquethat these guys do? Well, I mean, to be honest,I feel like the whole the whole project ispretty unique. But I would say it's mostlythe idea of having a feed, a show that goesinto your main project. And this is particularlyimportant for, I would say, someone who is creating somethingas complex as an album. Obviouslyyou're going to have to put a lot of time into, you know, not only recordingbut then tweaking it and then rerecordingcertain parts, which they had to do multiple times to, you know,getting everyone together, getting the, the, the, the titles, the images,how the lyrics.
There's a lot of workthat needs to go into that. And you could, you know,somewhat relate this to how some people dopodcast episodes. Now for me and for this,you know I can crank this out and roughly I'd say all up,it's probably about 3 hours, including the timespent listening and whatnot to that, to the shows andthen recording and editing. But that probably tookhundreds of hours for them to create an albumand put that out. And if you're doing thatin a value for value way and just going,okay, here it is. And with an album, you know, it's kind of notstandard practice to hear.
At the end of a song. People say, Oh, by the way, you know, I createdall this value for you. I'd really appreciate itif you could send it back. So you probably need to geta little bit more creative rather than just doing a big releaseand just hoping that people will come to it. So I'd sort of say the ideaof a brooding artist working in the in the darkness,making a masterpiece is kind of a riskyas hell strategy and probablydisheartening for them because they're not getting that continuous feedbackfrom their audience. Now, maybe this works niceif you're a somewhat Batman Bruce Wayne characterand you're already sitting on a couple of cool billion and you know, then you canjust be the Batman, do an amazing thing,save all these people.
And then it's like,Oh my God, Batman, now we value you. But if you're releasing an albumlike Stay a While, you probably do needa show like this. And this is getting us to that ideaof having a small side gig that maybe isn't youryour big kind of pay off. But it's generatingthe interest, generating the the feedbackthat if you do have people who are interested, much like I waswhen I first started listening in, I was like,What are these two crazy guys doing and whythey creating this album? And it was funny because I didn't really know what they're up to,but I still kind of and I didn't understanda lot of it.
So we're talking about tags and technicalthings and music, but I reallyjust did enjoy having that, I suppose ability to listenand see what they're up to. And it didgenerate hype for myself. And on Christmas Day, which is, you know, it's the kind of important dayfor me and my family, I still took the time out of that dayto listen to their album and send them a boost and,you know, appreciatewhat they had done and why they were doing it,that that's a you know,if you'd asked me a year ago, would I haverandomly taken out GS How much half an hourout of a Christmas Day to listento something like that, to random guys onthe Internet have produced?
I would have said how? No, there's nochance that it's happening. And yet because they had this AbleKraft podcast,because they had this little feedback mechanism,which wasn't their main thing, you know,I would if I had to guess and I'll play a clip ina section in a second of the kind of success or whatwhat they gained after it in terms of, you know,not only the, the feedback, but monetary monetarily fromthe release of the album. I would say that the albumprobably has garnered more, you know, incomecoming in for them than the actual AbleKraft themselves.
Maybe I I'm actually nottoo 100% sure of that, but certainly there was a periodwhere they had this big releaseand that was when, you know, they got this instantaneousof huge amount of value rushing in because they had kind of built up the hypeand built up the. Mm. The that already kind of preloaded it all this valuein the AbleKraft podcast so that when theythen dropped another huge section ofof value i.e. probably the first dependshow technical you get they were you know, even though that was the secondI guess people to release an album on as a as in the kind ofthe podcasting medium but they did a lot of thingsuniquely for themselves and in particularthe splits and in particular the chapter artand images and whatnot. The that that kind ofbig release of value I think would have onlybeen successful and they've only been a success, successfulas they have been because they had this kind of smaller fee to show,which was keeping the audience interestedand updated for it.
So if you think you'vedoing something similar, perhaps you have a podcastwhich is, you know, takes 40 hoursto produce a single episode. Maybe you do want a smallerone, a behind the scenes one, which could have kind of keepthat ticking along, keep that feedbackloop going so that when you dodrop a big one, it's not like it'sjust out of nowhere. There was an actual build upand hype to it. So with that being said,I'll play a clip here from the episode calledWe Are the Chickens, which was a monthafter the release of their 2021, December 25th,Christmas Day album release, and this is about 8 minutesin other artists.
[00:21:26] Unknown:
The light bulb comes onwhere they're like, Wait, I could be putting musicon this thing too. And that was sort of for me,like a secondary to just havinga use case out there. Like the primary goalof having the use case to me was just to kind ofopen the gates or, you know,be a beacon of like, Hey, everybodycan be publishing this way and just trying to getartists inspired to do it. Also, you know,you could be streaming sets to albums also. And I mean, I don't knowfrom where I'm sitting, I think that we easily beat bandsof higher calibre, what they would pull infrom a Spotify deal.
Absolutely. Already. Did I tell youthe numbers on that on mean Spotify? Yeah I rememberyou telling me, but you have to run it by meagain. It's been a while. I'm trying to rememberthe exact number, but yeah, but I did that calculationwhere I looked at the number of plays versus what we were getting in stats and it was somethinglike a factor of ten. It was ridiculous. It's muchmore efficient. Yes. So if we put our if we hadput our music on Spotify now at the scale we're at, no one knows about ablein the wolf unless we tell themto go to ableandthewolf.com It's a very nicheand we even have the extra hurdle of you could only give us moneyif you stream stats, which is hardcompared to a fire which every JoeBlow on the street.
You know, if I if I goand look at the parking lot through my window,I bet about half of the cars there will play Spotifythrough them. Somebody upduring the next week. And so even with that extracrutch, we still blew it. The model out of the water. Yeah it's incredible The ease with which weoutperformed. You know what I'm talking about? Just like what a what? Like a b tier mainstream band would make on Spotify,which is next to nothing, you know? And next and we're talking about nextto nothing for hundredsof thousands of plays. Yeah.
And then we're coming inin we're getting like I'm looking at we getI see all the 508 boost from cotton gin rightat the beach December 24. You know, people werepumping a thousand sets. All Yeah, thousands.That's for this. Sometimes they have messageson them. Yeah. Well, we got Merry. Oscar's is having a coffeeon Christmas morning. Enjoying this. Yeah. And just look at skinand for I don't know if you wantedto start at the 28th and do the boostagrams now. Yeah.Let's just walk through it. Let's see whatwe might have to say. We might as well take a look because I know we had ourlast show on December 27th.
Yeah. So the 28 starts with5000 sats from Sir Elma, who boosted stay a while likewine, the track like wine saying this songkicked so much ass. Thank youfor your courage. Wow. I and then I don't see thatmy thing Interesting. Oh, interesting indeed. I'll have topull the record, see if it got split. Right. The first oneI see is from envy. And for VIX like wine,which is for you 204 Vex. Oh, well, I've got a fewbetween there and two. I've got to lead Boost 1337from Chip 98. Yep, I got those. Nice. That's at a fountain. I got 100 sets from blankfor like wine. Yep.
4200 sets from and for vex for like winestreaming music to my ears. Streamingv4v sets back up the pipe this is how musicwas intended to be produced, delivered andenjoyed. Boost that wave. You better be streaming sat. That's right. We got a stack of ducksfor the artwork. Beautiful v4x2. So that's anotherto do to Yelp and that's first to staywell track while to point out againeven though people who have been followingthis are well aware but those stats are divideddue to the artwork artists. So when people boost and they're excitedabout the artwork, the artists are directlyrewarded out of their split.
With that.
[00:25:33] Unknown:
BAM just highlightedeverything. I was basicallytalking about. And I'm just going to doa little quick math here. From what they said,just from that section, which funnily enoughwasn't the total amount because they did have moreafterwards and the amounts were much higher. But the amount of setsthat they just talked about there was just we'll justsay roughly $10 us. So nothing,nothing super crazy. But if I go and look athow much Spotify pays, it's about 0.003 or to 0.005per stream on average. And so just doinga little bit of quick math ten divided by and I'll just gofor the middle .004 that need about 2500 playsto get the equivalent.
And that is not how much they wouldhave been getting. If you're telling individual peopleto check out your music, they don't know 2500 people. And so I think that'sjust a perfect example. Like they said, it was ten X and I would probably even say it'smaybe even more than that then even just even justmonetarily was what they got. Let alone all the otheradditional benefits you get from being ableto have all the music directly under your control,to have the royalties going to everyone,to not having tons of middlementaking it in and sort of diluting the pie for Spotify.
It says about 70% tothe artists, 30% to Spotify. There's just randomlylooking on Google as well. So who knows how truethat is. I would be inclinedto think it's maybe more to Spotify as a favour,but who knows? Who knows? And I heard all of that I think just goes to showthat these guys created a very cool,unique experience, not only with the album themselves, but also the way that they wentabout kind of promoting it and highlighting thatwith their show AbleKraft. So very, very cool. And I suggest that you gocheck out either of the showsso the podcast AbleKraft or the album itself calledStay a While by Able and The Wolf.
So with all of thatbeing said and all those Instagramsand whatnot, I'm going to go on to my veryown Boostagram lounge. Welcome tothe Value for Value Boosta agram Lounge. Okay. Well, the sad puppy worksbecause it got me an extra couple of boostcome in and woohoo. So we've got a big one here, a huge one here from Petarand that's 25,000 SATs. And he says boostagramsare still very new. So don't get too discouraged if it takes some timeto catch on. But as an self-appointed experton being an early adopter of amazing ideas, Bitcoinplus podcasting is a winner, exclamation mark, 100%.
That was out ofFountain as well. Thank you, first of all,Petar, very much for that. And I also have to saythat I might have been wrong about the demasiado bueno. I've never heardabout that before, but apparently you could saythat in Spanish. And so I'm willing to retract mymy previous comments on his on his boostagram from from last week. So yeah 100% man um I'm look I'm not too discouraged by itIt's just every now and then you look and go,oh man, am I doing something crap? Am I not making thisexciting enough? Which is true.
You do needthat kind of self-reflection sometimesto, to really dive in. But now I do appreciate it,man and comments like that, you know, keep me encouraged. Although with that being said, there's some newscoming up that might not be as encouraging. But stay tunedfor the next section. I've got the 3750 SATsfrom Merry Oscar, also the known as OscarMerry, the creator of Fountainor co-creator. And he says a podcastabout a podcast about podcasting, another greatepisode Kyrin in particular. I think Podland isa great example where they hada few episodes without Boosts but kept at itand are now receiving more regular support.
Yeah, 100%, man. So you just got tokeep at it sometimes just in success and good thingsdon't come without hard work and doing that hard workupfront as well. You can't get the success. And then do the hard workafterwards. It doesn't,it doesn't work like that. So yeah, I, I remember that sectionwhere, where James was, was gettinga little bit discouraged, but they've pushed throughand now they, they definitely have come out the better,better on the other side and are receivinga lot more support and as you knowboostagramming and bitcoin and podcasting continueto grow and continue to catch on.
It's just going to happenmore and more. The last one was 833sets from myself, and that was becauseI wanted to do a test boost to make sure that James andand Sam both got it because I was experimenting with a new splitwith Sam to a node kind of set upI hadn't used before. So I wanted to make surethat actually went through and that it was happeningin the right way. So that is my boostagram section. Thank you very muchfor the two. Well, three people, I guess, if you count myself, who contributed and I verymuch do appreciate that. And it yeah that that sort of feedback isessential for me to to know how I'm doing.
If you're enjoying the showsand if it just additional commentsthat can be put in. So with all of thatbeing said, I'll get on to my valuefor value section and the big call outfor today is I would just encourage you to check out the chatI actually had with Sir Spenceron the Mere Mortals podcast. So this was on episode 75. You'll see the link clickable in thein the chapter art if you're in or in thein the chapters, if you've got a decentpodcasting app. And I would actuallyrecommend checking out the breez appbecause they, they highlight itvery clearly on the screen and when you click on it, you stay within the appas well to wherever the link goes.So very, very cool.
I actually do likethat functionality a lot. So this section now is also going to be a little bitof housekeeping. So there's two pointsI wanted to come up with. The first is the news, maybe some sad newsfor those, which is that I'm thinking ofwinding down the value for value season two. I'm noticingand you might have noticed that this episodewas released a day later. One reason forthat was because my Saturday got a very busy then,so I decided to move it on to the Sunday. But also kind of my motivation for itis starting to wane a little bit.
I'm feeling I'mfinding it harder and harder to really pick outunique aspects that shows are doing. And I'm also just wanting to createa bit more time to focus on some other things. So I feel like I've hada pretty good run so far. And the first seasonwas about 18, 17 episodes and this is goingto probably be about equal to that. So not to worry,I'll still do. I'm planning ontwo more episodes. I think, and then I'll,I'll wind up for this season and yeah, probablytake another last time. I had a four month break beforeI really kicked it off. And yeah, I'm probably thinkingabout roughly the same thing and I'd maybe come backwith a new format.
One of the things I wasthinking of was also starting to explainhow you could use the tags a bit more. So the podcasting 2.0 tags, probably still doingreviews of other shows, but maybe not make it the the core aspect likeit has been in season two. I'm willing I'm willing toto play around. But the idea for season two actually came from Oscar Merry and from a couple ofother people who recommended the same thing. So that was a you know, if you I'll stillbe checking out the the boostagram and theand the value for value section on this podcastwill still stay up.
So if you're interested and want to reach outand give a suggestion and whatnot, alwaysfeel free to hit me up in whatever way you want. But you know, the boost agram is alwaysthe most appreciated. I really like them. The other one is you might noticethat in the split set I've actually bumped upthe splits for Mr. Sir Spencerand for Mr. Able Kirby. And that's becausethey I'd actually done a kind of DJ setwith them with that music for one of my episodes, but I didn't actually havethe split functionality created in on my mainshow, Mere Mortals. And so I wasn't ableto really thank them in the adequate way.
So basically I bumped up the splits and I've also includedright here for those of you,a little bonus for those who got all the wayto the end. My favourite songfrom the album called Making Beans. I haven't actuallyasked them prehand if I, if I'm allowed to do this. They havelet me in the past. Let me let me play thatmusic and I should say now, but I'm putting itright at the end. So if I need to,I'll cut it out if theyif they want me to. But just as a reward for thosewho have been playing to the endand as a big thanks to so Spencer and Able Kirbyfor doing this, for creating this kindof completely new methodof releasing music and and having a successright out of the gate.
I think that's really,really cool. So to take us away today,we have making beans by the band Ableand The Wolf from that Able from their albumStay Awhile.
[00:35:41] Unknown:
I Can't Sit Still I Can’t sit still well, they're talking to me, but I can't know what itmeans. It's hard to pay attentionwhen you're busy making beans. Cuz upstairs. I'm busy making beans. And I'm still. Preoccupied,you know what I mean? And all these people come to see that. Shout out some. More, or that's a better. Way to be. How to live in a home. In a tree scalp of millions on screen. I mean, all these peoplesure were nice to me when they dragged me downdrawn me up ran me out of steam I don’t wear no underwear And nothing calls me. Cuz upstairs I’m busy making beans and I'm still preoccupied You know what I mean?
And, oh, these people come to see. Can’t sit still x 7
Not just content withrevolutionising podcasting. How about we domusic as well? Welcome, dear friends, to another episodeof the Value for Value Show My name is Kyrin, host of The Mere Mortals and the Mere Mortals Bookreviews podcasts. But I also do this onewhere I examine other people's podcastand how they are implementing the valuefor value model. So perhaps some things that they are doing uniquelythat we could take, steal, borrowfor our own shows, and then also maybe howthey're revolutionising the music industryat the same time. So yes, today we have AbleKraft by SirSpencer and Able Kirby.
Those two nameswill be familiar to you because Spencer was one of the hosts of the Bowl after Bowl and AbleKirby of Rare Encounter. Now, this is going to be slightly different because not only will I belooking at this podcast, AbleKraft, but also I guess technically it is a podcastthat they released called Stay a While by Ableand The Wolf. But this was moreof a music band formation. And basically to to explainthat, I'll have to explain what this show is. So the what they've writtendown for this show in the in the kind of descriptionis music production with avant gardedistribution.
So basically, this was a showwhere they examine the process of howthey were creating an album. So Spencer played drums,Able Kirby sang and also played guitar and perhapssome other instruments. I'm not a musician,so I can't tell of all the different thingsthat were going on in this actual album, but they were in the processof creating this album and they wantedto release it in a different way rather than having to gothrough Spotify and through, you know, the kind ofstandard music production. And I'll be reading outa kind of manifesto that they released,which explains why they why they did this in ain a short while.
So thethey started this, geez, if I goto the very first episode, it looks like this started onthe 16th of the seven 2021 and they released that albumon December 25th of 2021. So about nine months ago. And leading up to that,they had weekly episodes and that was, I guess,what you could call season one to the releaseof their album. And then since thenthey've been roughly, yeah, every fortnight, every monthreleasing another episode. And I guess season two,if you want to call it that, is more focusedaround the many projects that they'reworking on, how the album actually went.
So kindof like deconstruction of the processand yeah, more I know. So Spence is workingon a music app, so you know, thoughts around that basically still relatedto kind of the intersection between music distributionand, and podcasting. So the length of the show is typically 30 to 45 minutes,sometimes get up to an hour and format wiseit's mostly those two and usually they're remote. Both of them are locatedin the US. So I think for a couple of episodesthey did get together because they were by happenstance,kind of in the same location, but mostly remoteand every now and then with a guest.
But it's very free flowing and they'll explore all sorts of side topicsand whatnot sections wise for,for how the actual podcast was structured is usually they would start offwith the work on the album. So how the music process was going,the recording of tracks, MIDI complications,the, you know, sound stuff every now and then a little bit of what'sgoing on in their lives and kind of the miniprojects. They also would havea large section talking about podcasting 2.0because that was very particularand very interesting to them and which was part of the reasonwhy they kind of formed the bandwas because they wanted to try releasing musicin a totally new way, which had never been donebefore.
It wasso they would explore, you know, kind of the tags,how this would maybe be useful for themor not useful for them. And then afterwards,now they've they talk moreabout kind of the hackathon that's comingup, general gossip and just the overall newsthat's going on in podcasting 2.0that have a value for value section,not necessarily at the end, usually just somewherewithin and then I've just written here miscellaneous, So just other other things that wouldrandomly, randomly come up and this is reflectedin their show titles. So they've got thingslike no go, no girlfriends were harmed.
We are the chickens, my dude Erotica sisterto cyber buskers steering the collectivetakes a lot of spoons there. Their titlesreflect somewhat what what they're going on within the episodeand funny things. Now I did want to before I playa little section of them, just so you can get a feelfor their voices, read out the manifestothat they've got, or at least part of itfor the Valley for Value section of Ableand the Wolf. So this was the bandthey created. And the album that they released was calledStay a While. So says Staya While is a value for Value rock album that is published digitallyusing the podcasting to point or valueinfrastructure in the current period.
Paradigmof music publication out to submit to streaming services to monetise,and that's in equities. Their music and the paymentand the payout amounts to fractions of a centper stream. Their music is purposefullyundervalued by these corporationsso that they can pay artists as little as possible. It was our view that throughthe power of the internet, they smalland independent artist. Finally has accessto terrible one sided airplay deals which used to be reservedfor superstars. Woohoo!Yay! Go technology. And then if the streaming corporations have their way,nothing will change.
Then they basically talkabout the podcasting index, why that they chose to use this and why thatthey think this value system is much more accessible and isis more fair in a way. And how the overlap betweenperhaps the split payments works just as well for splitting payments between the different artistsinvolved with their album. So they would typically have someone who created aand chapter art, I guessyou could call it that, but also an album coveror a a single cover for each individual trackthat was released. And then they could putthat as part of a split.
And if I go to the actualfeed, the source of truth for for this, you can actually seethat they have all sorts of thingsgoing off to Burberry, to Lauren Roseto cotton gin, to people who have created the albumart that they created. So I'll playa little section here and this is fromabout 9 minutes in of the title called My NudeErotic Sister. And this was just beforethe release of the album, which would be happeningthe next day. And you can get a tastefor their voices. As far as we know,this is the first attempt to from scratchfrom the start, make an album geared exclusivelyfor podcasting 2.0 protocol, and it's a revolutionaryconcept.
It's a totally different wayto think about owning the production,owning the publishing, and choosing who tocollaborate with, you know? Yeah, And without anymiddleman or without any, you know,without getting stuck, we didn't ask permissionto do this, which correctthe first thing that I'm that's my number onetakeaway from podcasting 2.0 and the LightningNetwork in general. Yeah, I never asked anyoneif it was okay for me to open a node. I never had to makean account anywhere. I never had to ask anyoneif, you know, if I could host my well,like, you know, it's, it's, it's just we just did it,you know, just go outside and you sing a songin front of people.
You know,you don't have to submit to Spotify or ask, you know,you know, all these other like if you were tryingto get an agent or something like that to pedalling awayor somewhere, right? Yeah, She didn't have to doany of that. It's all completelyautonomous. You can do it yourself. Yeah. So you can see the ethosthere and the overlap between kind of valuefor value and podcasting to point outand what they want to do. So, you know, they didn't want anyoneto be telling them what they can and can't do. And this is why it's fantastic to have a systemsuch as Bitcoin where it's permissionlessand peer to peer.
You can just, you know, send moneywhichever way you want. And there'sno gatekeepers and whatnot. And, you know,releasing the music how they want to did not have to askfor permission for any labelsor for anyone to do this. And we'll get into shortlyabout how this has actually worked out to be quite more successfulfor them. But that's in the coming upsomething unique section. So for the valuefor value of implementation for this show, I'll say it'srelatively simple, and this is because I wouldI would say AbleKraft itself. The podcast is kind of a it's a it's a feederin a way.
It's not it'snot their main objective. The you know, this isn't the main podcastthat they're doing. Both of themhave two other podcasts, and this is almost like abehind the scenes group meeting for a band discussionif you want. And they just happened torecord it and put it online. So in terms of the valuefor value pitch, you know, it's not the biggest partof their show because this iskind of an incidental thing. So they still do BoostaGrams and they still do usually explainwhat value for value is. But I don't have reallyanything more to add to this book because like I said, it's kind of the it'snot it's not their main gig.
It's not the main thingthey're focusing on. The main thingwas, was the album. But for the album it was obviouslya lot more complex. So this is where they didhave multiple people coming in and, and, you know,contributing to the process. So this is where. Okay,All right. I'm going to have to addsome splits and or, you know, it's not I have toI want to I want to add splits into the peoplewho have helped me out. They also did spenda lot of time in, like I've said before,kind of the main areas of of where people understandvalue for value. So the sort ofno agenda area, but also on podcasting2.0 are talking about their albumsomewhat hyping it up and whatnot and, and I guessgenerating the interest and also talkingwith other artists and kind of onboarding them,implementing them, showing them, Hey,this is how you can actually do this.
So I will play a boostagram sectionjust so you get a feel for, for what they do there. And then after that we'llget onto something unique. So the boostagram saidthey're reading out from here or from an episodecalled Recycling the Planet. So this is one of thelatest episodes. So this was in, I believethat September of of sorry,that'll be July 9th, and this was about 46 minutes into an hourlong show.
[00:11:44] Unknown:
Well,I get some boostagrams pulled up I was gonnaI was just opening up very nice Why did youhit words you knock us off. We're starting from two weeks agoI think two weeks ago. I have a21212 sets toa2a2 from boobs. Booburry who says, Oh, fuck, yeah. You're going to make mewant to do it. Yeah. Thank you. Those for Borg acquisition for that episode,it looks like. Yes. At a fountain. There I see 11111 SATs from Harvhatfrom our hot or not episode. Luckyfor an after the fact boost. Oh, I see it. I see it right there. Very nice. Six Harvard. That'swhy he's on the leaderboard.
Harvard now,I think blueberries still at the topbecause I read that Hart had made itto the second place. Now the unknownboosting maniac, I don't think countsas a second place because it's a it's an aggregateof many unknown people. So Harvard, I think is isis the bananas Legion is a non his legion maybe we should have maybe we should have some kind of collective identity that everyone could settheir name to and boost. Oh yeah, that'sthe Kilroy booster. So I burst. Yes. All the people who don'twant to be named, you know, we had 2,222 satsfrom Mere Mortals podcast.
Yes, a little rolodex therefor ducks at a fountain. Yeah. And yeah, he says. Nice to hear you two backat the mic again. Any chancewe can get a sneak peek at the draftversion of the logo? My curiosity is peaking. I think he justwants to know if we got the EMUlook right. I've had it in my at the top of my show notes page for the last threeepisodes, so I've been looking at itall the time. I see it. Yeah. And it's in my it's the little icon for,for AbleKraft 32. So I think we can find a wayto add to that out. Maybe. Yeah.You're okay with it? I'm fine with it. Yeah.It still needs colouring it.
And I haven't since we discussed iton the show, I haven't doneany work on it at all. So yeah, it still looks likeit did when you said Yeah, change the blue. Change the blue.Oh I forgot about that. I completelyforgot about that. Yeah. I've seenthat's the last one you see. That's the least. That's, that'sthe last for me as well. All right. Well thank you KyrinMere Mortals podcast. I've been listening to thattoo, a little more than I. I do, by the way. Yeah. He's been cranking up somegood stuff lately. For sure. He's been. I never noticehow often he published.
Yeah, a every other day. I was like, Look at it. Oh,there's a lot. Then check that out.
[00:14:23] Unknown:
Blushing over here. So very kind offor them to say that. But you could see they also hadsome little hints there related to other stuffthey were doing. So they did have a kind ofleaderboard, too, to kind of,you know, show, oh, yeah, these are the people who have beencontributing the most and we really appreciate itof that, which is a a I don't knowif I stole it from them or if I'd stole that from other people, but that's a big predominant thing on our websitethat my my co-host one and I like to show the Mere Mortals podcastand the supporters page meremortalspodcast.com slash supporter forthose who are interested. So that was their main valuefor value implementation.
And you know, asking and thank you people for contributingand also for, you know,being able to share stuff related to the cover art and imagesand things like that. What's something uniquethat these guys do? Well, I mean, to be honest,I feel like the whole the whole project ispretty unique. But I would say it's mostlythe idea of having a feed, a show that goesinto your main project. And this is particularlyimportant for, I would say, someone who is creating somethingas complex as an album. Obviouslyyou're going to have to put a lot of time into, you know, not only recordingbut then tweaking it and then rerecordingcertain parts, which they had to do multiple times to, you know,getting everyone together, getting the, the, the, the titles, the images,how the lyrics.
There's a lot of workthat needs to go into that. And you could, you know,somewhat relate this to how some people dopodcast episodes. Now for me and for this,you know I can crank this out and roughly I'd say all up,it's probably about 3 hours, including the timespent listening and whatnot to that, to the shows andthen recording and editing. But that probably tookhundreds of hours for them to create an albumand put that out. And if you're doing thatin a value for value way and just going,okay, here it is. And with an album, you know, it's kind of notstandard practice to hear.
At the end of a song. People say, Oh, by the way, you know, I createdall this value for you. I'd really appreciate itif you could send it back. So you probably need to geta little bit more creative rather than just doing a big releaseand just hoping that people will come to it. So I'd sort of say the ideaof a brooding artist working in the in the darkness,making a masterpiece is kind of a riskyas hell strategy and probablydisheartening for them because they're not getting that continuous feedbackfrom their audience. Now, maybe this works niceif you're a somewhat Batman Bruce Wayne characterand you're already sitting on a couple of cool billion and you know, then you canjust be the Batman, do an amazing thing,save all these people.
And then it's like,Oh my God, Batman, now we value you. But if you're releasing an albumlike Stay a While, you probably do needa show like this. And this is getting us to that ideaof having a small side gig that maybe isn't youryour big kind of pay off. But it's generatingthe interest, generating the the feedbackthat if you do have people who are interested, much like I waswhen I first started listening in, I was like,What are these two crazy guys doing and whythey creating this album? And it was funny because I didn't really know what they're up to,but I still kind of and I didn't understanda lot of it.
So we're talking about tags and technicalthings and music, but I reallyjust did enjoy having that, I suppose ability to listenand see what they're up to. And it didgenerate hype for myself. And on Christmas Day, which is, you know, it's the kind of important dayfor me and my family, I still took the time out of that dayto listen to their album and send them a boost and,you know, appreciatewhat they had done and why they were doing it,that that's a you know,if you'd asked me a year ago, would I haverandomly taken out GS How much half an hourout of a Christmas Day to listento something like that, to random guys onthe Internet have produced?
I would have said how? No, there's nochance that it's happening. And yet because they had this AbleKraft podcast,because they had this little feedback mechanism,which wasn't their main thing, you know,I would if I had to guess and I'll play a clip ina section in a second of the kind of success or whatwhat they gained after it in terms of, you know,not only the, the feedback, but monetary monetarily fromthe release of the album. I would say that the albumprobably has garnered more, you know, incomecoming in for them than the actual AbleKraft themselves.
Maybe I I'm actually nottoo 100% sure of that, but certainly there was a periodwhere they had this big releaseand that was when, you know, they got this instantaneousof huge amount of value rushing in because they had kind of built up the hypeand built up the. Mm. The that already kind of preloaded it all this valuein the AbleKraft podcast so that when theythen dropped another huge section ofof value i.e. probably the first dependshow technical you get they were you know, even though that was the secondI guess people to release an album on as a as in the kind ofthe podcasting medium but they did a lot of thingsuniquely for themselves and in particularthe splits and in particular the chapter artand images and whatnot. The that that kind ofbig release of value I think would have onlybeen successful and they've only been a success, successfulas they have been because they had this kind of smaller fee to show,which was keeping the audience interestedand updated for it.
So if you think you'vedoing something similar, perhaps you have a podcastwhich is, you know, takes 40 hoursto produce a single episode. Maybe you do want a smallerone, a behind the scenes one, which could have kind of keepthat ticking along, keep that feedbackloop going so that when you dodrop a big one, it's not like it'sjust out of nowhere. There was an actual build upand hype to it. So with that being said,I'll play a clip here from the episode calledWe Are the Chickens, which was a monthafter the release of their 2021, December 25th,Christmas Day album release, and this is about 8 minutesin other artists.
[00:21:26] Unknown:
The light bulb comes onwhere they're like, Wait, I could be putting musicon this thing too. And that was sort of for me,like a secondary to just havinga use case out there. Like the primary goalof having the use case to me was just to kind ofopen the gates or, you know,be a beacon of like, Hey, everybodycan be publishing this way and just trying to getartists inspired to do it. Also, you know,you could be streaming sets to albums also. And I mean, I don't knowfrom where I'm sitting, I think that we easily beat bandsof higher calibre, what they would pull infrom a Spotify deal.
Absolutely. Already. Did I tell youthe numbers on that on mean Spotify? Yeah I rememberyou telling me, but you have to run it by meagain. It's been a while. I'm trying to rememberthe exact number, but yeah, but I did that calculationwhere I looked at the number of plays versus what we were getting in stats and it was somethinglike a factor of ten. It was ridiculous. It's muchmore efficient. Yes. So if we put our if we hadput our music on Spotify now at the scale we're at, no one knows about ablein the wolf unless we tell themto go to ableandthewolf.com It's a very nicheand we even have the extra hurdle of you could only give us moneyif you stream stats, which is hardcompared to a fire which every JoeBlow on the street.
You know, if I if I goand look at the parking lot through my window,I bet about half of the cars there will play Spotifythrough them. Somebody upduring the next week. And so even with that extracrutch, we still blew it. The model out of the water. Yeah it's incredible The ease with which weoutperformed. You know what I'm talking about? Just like what a what? Like a b tier mainstream band would make on Spotify,which is next to nothing, you know? And next and we're talking about nextto nothing for hundredsof thousands of plays. Yeah.
And then we're coming inin we're getting like I'm looking at we getI see all the 508 boost from cotton gin rightat the beach December 24. You know, people werepumping a thousand sets. All Yeah, thousands.That's for this. Sometimes they have messageson them. Yeah. Well, we got Merry. Oscar's is having a coffeeon Christmas morning. Enjoying this. Yeah. And just look at skinand for I don't know if you wantedto start at the 28th and do the boostagrams now. Yeah.Let's just walk through it. Let's see whatwe might have to say. We might as well take a look because I know we had ourlast show on December 27th.
Yeah. So the 28 starts with5000 sats from Sir Elma, who boosted stay a while likewine, the track like wine saying this songkicked so much ass. Thank youfor your courage. Wow. I and then I don't see thatmy thing Interesting. Oh, interesting indeed. I'll have topull the record, see if it got split. Right. The first oneI see is from envy. And for VIX like wine,which is for you 204 Vex. Oh, well, I've got a fewbetween there and two. I've got to lead Boost 1337from Chip 98. Yep, I got those. Nice. That's at a fountain. I got 100 sets from blankfor like wine. Yep.
4200 sets from and for vex for like winestreaming music to my ears. Streamingv4v sets back up the pipe this is how musicwas intended to be produced, delivered andenjoyed. Boost that wave. You better be streaming sat. That's right. We got a stack of ducksfor the artwork. Beautiful v4x2. So that's anotherto do to Yelp and that's first to staywell track while to point out againeven though people who have been followingthis are well aware but those stats are divideddue to the artwork artists. So when people boost and they're excitedabout the artwork, the artists are directlyrewarded out of their split.
With that.
[00:25:33] Unknown:
BAM just highlightedeverything. I was basicallytalking about. And I'm just going to doa little quick math here. From what they said,just from that section, which funnily enoughwasn't the total amount because they did have moreafterwards and the amounts were much higher. But the amount of setsthat they just talked about there was just we'll justsay roughly $10 us. So nothing,nothing super crazy. But if I go and look athow much Spotify pays, it's about 0.003 or to 0.005per stream on average. And so just doinga little bit of quick math ten divided by and I'll just gofor the middle .004 that need about 2500 playsto get the equivalent.
And that is not how much they wouldhave been getting. If you're telling individual peopleto check out your music, they don't know 2500 people. And so I think that'sjust a perfect example. Like they said, it was ten X and I would probably even say it'smaybe even more than that then even just even justmonetarily was what they got. Let alone all the otheradditional benefits you get from being ableto have all the music directly under your control,to have the royalties going to everyone,to not having tons of middlementaking it in and sort of diluting the pie for Spotify.
It says about 70% tothe artists, 30% to Spotify. There's just randomlylooking on Google as well. So who knows how truethat is. I would be inclinedto think it's maybe more to Spotify as a favour,but who knows? Who knows? And I heard all of that I think just goes to showthat these guys created a very cool,unique experience, not only with the album themselves, but also the way that they wentabout kind of promoting it and highlighting thatwith their show AbleKraft. So very, very cool. And I suggest that you gocheck out either of the showsso the podcast AbleKraft or the album itself calledStay a While by Able and The Wolf.
So with all of thatbeing said and all those Instagramsand whatnot, I'm going to go on to my veryown Boostagram lounge. Welcome tothe Value for Value Boosta agram Lounge. Okay. Well, the sad puppy worksbecause it got me an extra couple of boostcome in and woohoo. So we've got a big one here, a huge one here from Petarand that's 25,000 SATs. And he says boostagramsare still very new. So don't get too discouraged if it takes some timeto catch on. But as an self-appointed experton being an early adopter of amazing ideas, Bitcoinplus podcasting is a winner, exclamation mark, 100%.
That was out ofFountain as well. Thank you, first of all,Petar, very much for that. And I also have to saythat I might have been wrong about the demasiado bueno. I've never heardabout that before, but apparently you could saythat in Spanish. And so I'm willing to retract mymy previous comments on his on his boostagram from from last week. So yeah 100% man um I'm look I'm not too discouraged by itIt's just every now and then you look and go,oh man, am I doing something crap? Am I not making thisexciting enough? Which is true.
You do needthat kind of self-reflection sometimesto, to really dive in. But now I do appreciate it,man and comments like that, you know, keep me encouraged. Although with that being said, there's some newscoming up that might not be as encouraging. But stay tunedfor the next section. I've got the 3750 SATsfrom Merry Oscar, also the known as OscarMerry, the creator of Fountainor co-creator. And he says a podcastabout a podcast about podcasting, another greatepisode Kyrin in particular. I think Podland isa great example where they hada few episodes without Boosts but kept at itand are now receiving more regular support.
Yeah, 100%, man. So you just got tokeep at it sometimes just in success and good thingsdon't come without hard work and doing that hard workupfront as well. You can't get the success. And then do the hard workafterwards. It doesn't,it doesn't work like that. So yeah, I, I remember that sectionwhere, where James was, was gettinga little bit discouraged, but they've pushed throughand now they, they definitely have come out the better,better on the other side and are receivinga lot more support and as you knowboostagramming and bitcoin and podcasting continueto grow and continue to catch on.
It's just going to happenmore and more. The last one was 833sets from myself, and that was becauseI wanted to do a test boost to make sure that James andand Sam both got it because I was experimenting with a new splitwith Sam to a node kind of set upI hadn't used before. So I wanted to make surethat actually went through and that it was happeningin the right way. So that is my boostagram section. Thank you very muchfor the two. Well, three people, I guess, if you count myself, who contributed and I verymuch do appreciate that. And it yeah that that sort of feedback isessential for me to to know how I'm doing.
If you're enjoying the showsand if it just additional commentsthat can be put in. So with all of thatbeing said, I'll get on to my valuefor value section and the big call outfor today is I would just encourage you to check out the chatI actually had with Sir Spenceron the Mere Mortals podcast. So this was on episode 75. You'll see the link clickable in thein the chapter art if you're in or in thein the chapters, if you've got a decentpodcasting app. And I would actuallyrecommend checking out the breez appbecause they, they highlight itvery clearly on the screen and when you click on it, you stay within the appas well to wherever the link goes.So very, very cool.
I actually do likethat functionality a lot. So this section now is also going to be a little bitof housekeeping. So there's two pointsI wanted to come up with. The first is the news, maybe some sad newsfor those, which is that I'm thinking ofwinding down the value for value season two. I'm noticingand you might have noticed that this episodewas released a day later. One reason forthat was because my Saturday got a very busy then,so I decided to move it on to the Sunday. But also kind of my motivation for itis starting to wane a little bit.
I'm feeling I'mfinding it harder and harder to really pick outunique aspects that shows are doing. And I'm also just wanting to createa bit more time to focus on some other things. So I feel like I've hada pretty good run so far. And the first seasonwas about 18, 17 episodes and this is goingto probably be about equal to that. So not to worry,I'll still do. I'm planning ontwo more episodes. I think, and then I'll,I'll wind up for this season and yeah, probablytake another last time. I had a four month break beforeI really kicked it off. And yeah, I'm probably thinkingabout roughly the same thing and I'd maybe come backwith a new format.
One of the things I wasthinking of was also starting to explainhow you could use the tags a bit more. So the podcasting 2.0 tags, probably still doingreviews of other shows, but maybe not make it the the core aspect likeit has been in season two. I'm willing I'm willing toto play around. But the idea for season two actually came from Oscar Merry and from a couple ofother people who recommended the same thing. So that was a you know, if you I'll stillbe checking out the the boostagram and theand the value for value section on this podcastwill still stay up.
So if you're interested and want to reach outand give a suggestion and whatnot, alwaysfeel free to hit me up in whatever way you want. But you know, the boost agram is alwaysthe most appreciated. I really like them. The other one is you might noticethat in the split set I've actually bumped upthe splits for Mr. Sir Spencerand for Mr. Able Kirby. And that's becausethey I'd actually done a kind of DJ setwith them with that music for one of my episodes, but I didn't actually havethe split functionality created in on my mainshow, Mere Mortals. And so I wasn't ableto really thank them in the adequate way.
So basically I bumped up the splits and I've also includedright here for those of you,a little bonus for those who got all the wayto the end. My favourite songfrom the album called Making Beans. I haven't actuallyasked them prehand if I, if I'm allowed to do this. They havelet me in the past. Let me let me play thatmusic and I should say now, but I'm putting itright at the end. So if I need to,I'll cut it out if theyif they want me to. But just as a reward for thosewho have been playing to the endand as a big thanks to so Spencer and Able Kirbyfor doing this, for creating this kindof completely new methodof releasing music and and having a successright out of the gate.
I think that's really,really cool. So to take us away today,we have making beans by the band Ableand The Wolf from that Able from their albumStay Awhile.
[00:35:41] Unknown:
I Can't Sit Still I Can’t sit still well, they're talking to me, but I can't know what itmeans. It's hard to pay attentionwhen you're busy making beans. Cuz upstairs. I'm busy making beans. And I'm still. Preoccupied,you know what I mean? And all these people come to see that. Shout out some. More, or that's a better. Way to be. How to live in a home. In a tree scalp of millions on screen. I mean, all these peoplesure were nice to me when they dragged me downdrawn me up ran me out of steam I don’t wear no underwear And nothing calls me. Cuz upstairs I’m busy making beans and I'm still preoccupied You know what I mean?
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