What will digital content look like in 5 years time? In Ep#56 we're going to rehash everything we've learned this season, lay out my predictions for what is ahead of us and learn how you can help shape the future direction of this very podcast.
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What will digital content look like in five yearstime? Welcome everyone to the final episodeof season three of the valuefor Value podcast. You've got your host here, Kyrinfrom the Mere Mortals, Mere Mortals bookreviews as well. But this is the valuefor value show where we helpdigital content creators connectwith their audience and be able to monetiseat the same time, avoiding the corrupting influence that I believeof advertising and not even justcorrupting. I thinkit's actually going to die and that'swhy I'm going to lay out my ideas here for seasonthree of the Value for Value podcast.
My my vision of the future vs the visionof the future. So what we're going to doof this is have a look backat what we've learned in these last episodesof of season three. I think we did about 18 or 19,which is about as usual. That's, that's typically how many I doin the season. We're going to watch meget hyped up about the possibilitieson what I think is going to happenin the future and then even worktogether to shape this very showfor us. Season four and what's going tocome up with that. Before we do that, though,let's go over what we've learnedfrom season three.
So just as a quick reminder as well, Seasonone was all about the philosophy of valuefor value, the first learning of it,how it interacts, how it's differentfrom advertising or paywalls or sponsorshipsand things like that. Season two was really looking at particular podcastsand how they were interactingand using value for value and making this workthat shows. And then season three,well, boy, did I go offcourse a bit. So my original plan was to followthe eight chapters that I had set upwhen I made the episode 394 of the models,which was all about yet kind of Bitcoin value for valueand podcasting, RSS.
However, I didn't stickto the letter of that. I think I didkind of reasonably well, probably stuckto about half of them. But other cool topics that came up andI just had to cover them. So I'd say what, whatwe most learnt from, from this was the, the foundationof everything that we're doing hereis the most critical. So if you go backto episodes 39 to roughly 44 of,of this very podcast, so these had titles like the four Properties,what is a podcast, The Emergenceof Podcasting, two Pono micropaymentsactually work based around messages,things like this.
These werethe kind of philosophy of the underpinnings. So we learned aboutthe four properties. These were decentralisation, selfsovereignty being permissionlessand value transfer and how these worktogether to create these abilities,to have micropayments, to have splits and why a podcastis valuable, for example. So this was reallyfocusing on on those three three letteracronyms, RSS, V4 V and BTC. So this was I suppose the main thingthat I tried I wanted to get acrossfor this season. Season three what, whatthese three things were and and whythat was so important.
So that was reallyat the start of it. Then when we gotinto the later episodes, this was said,this is 45 to 55. Even this one I guess 256 these werea mixture of philosophy. So this iswhen we're talking about open source and valuefor value concepts, such as in episode 51,the open source revolution is upon us 47 Common v4v Misconceptions 54 How to ask for supportthings like this. We then got on to more of the implementationso these were the podcasting 2.0 appsand the valued time split. So this was when I didepisode 53, the run throughof the podcasting 2.0 apps and some of the kindof like statistics and things like this,the V for V music, how to access V for Vmusic and 45 and 46.
And then finallywhere we are at this momentwith V for V music, with video,with podcasting to produce statistics and with text. And so that kind of filled out the rest of this and, and some other little bitssuch as like the incentives of hosting and mini case examplesthat I've done. So those quitea few things. This was just to sayas a reminder, all of this only worksbecause of RSS. Bitcoinand values for value and how they interactand merge together. So that the interestingthing about this is I suppose I didn'tget too deep into it, but you know,these are not affected by external things.
So the whimsof technology. So I for example,that's not going to make RSS obsolete. If anything, I creationsare going to make their wayinto the mechanism, the, the distribution mechanismthat is RSS are the economic decisionsof anyone government. So this is where,you know, money printed go brr In some countriesthis is where, you know, fiscalthings are happening, money is getting debased. You know, peopleare feeling inflation costs are risingand things like this. None of thatreally matters to Bitcoin. So which is why, okay,we're layering this in on top of the distribution and then we have the kindof cultural sways of what is hot or not and who is oppressedand cancel culture and what's going to goto happen here.
And you know this person. So the bad thing onceagain, value for value is a isa countermeasure to that because you're not relyingon one sponsor, which is very much influencedby the whims of the crowd or the mob or a advertiseor even a suite of of of social appswhich will kick you off if you do or don't saya certain thing. So that's pretty muchwhat we covered in in all of this. Why? Why it's important to have RSS, why it's importantto have Bitcoin on top of this, and then why valuefor value is the kind of trifecta and the merging of thesethree three things.
So that's,I suppose, what I tried to convey here in seasonthree, my value for value vision of the future. So that that's very muchI kind of, I guess like the pastleading up to the present. What, what do I thinkis coming for the future? So I kind of want to paint a picture here of a combiningof all digital mediums. So the, the ability to createis only ever expanding. And so creating an amazing image, which a lot of peopleare now able to do through thingslike Mid Journey and then just posting it on Instagram, I just don't thinkis going to cut it. So what do I kind of seehappening for the fur for the future?
Well, RSS, for example, all of the current platformsI believe, are so limiting for collaboration. So sure, you can have somepeople where it's like, I put my music on Tik Tokand then a girl can dance to this music and create aan interesting thing. But all of these kindof platforms that exist for distributionof, of digital content. So I'm really thinking of the social platformshere. I just they don't playnicely with each other. And I was talking about this recently in one of the recent episodesabout how if I wantedto have a short video, I had to go individually and post iton each platform.
And that's because, once again, advertising is this kind of thing that just lays downand creates all of these weird incentives. So I think RSS actually allows fora lot more collaboration. And I think we're goingto really see this with a merging ofof these digital mediums where people who are moreexpertise in text can combine with someone who is more expertisein audio. And how is this goingto work? Well,I think the incentives to work together areactually going to align. So this is where it comesto, to Bitcoin and all of these old onesthat there was there was no incentive to work together becausehow can you get paid and then how can you know, there'sgoing to get a split?
So, sure, you can geta little token on on tik-tok of an ice creamemoji or things like this. Same thing on on YouTubewhere sure, you can get some money,but you know, it's only go into one account, you're not ableto split it up even if you've got another person on your showand things like this. This is where we really getting into the nutsand bolts of, okay, if it's direct,peer to peer, and if you can createsplits, it just takes awayso much bullshit, takes away the middleman, and it has theseincentives where, Oh, okay, I'm actuallyputting my work out here and I don't have to.
I can focus completelyand solely on the art of what I'm creating for an amazing experiencefor my audience. And then I can just get distribute, I can get paidfor that via that by my audience. It's a it's so much moreof a direct interaction. I think the incentivesmake it so that you are goingto create better art, you're going to create. And when I say art, I'm really encompassingeverything here. I'm including podcasts,I'm including text, I'm including videos, I'mincluding, you know, music, I'mincluding pictures. I'm includingwhatever it is that you can imaginethat you want to create.
It's it'sjust being able to do that and then having peopledirectly be able to reward you for that without having to do all this bullshitwith advertising, which once againis getting onto the value for value portion. I really just thinkadvertising is going to shrivelwith direct peer to peer payments. It just everything linesup and makes it so that there's there'sno incentives to have advertising or well,like the incentives, advertising for me alwaysseems like a workaround. It always seems like a indirect way of monetising your audience,which is what it is.
You know, it's it's not like advertisingadvertisers are paying you just because they reallywant to put this thing on your show. It's like,Oh yeah, it's going to make a better showif I have a if if I have an adfor mattresses in there. This is this is what I reallythink is going to happen. No, they're doing itso that their audience can pay themand then they can pay you. So what would happenif you can your audiencecan just pay you. It justmakes so much more sense. So this is where I reallythink my my V4 vision of the future is. It's it'sjust going to take away.
People are getting sickof dealing with what one hearing advertiseson the podcast. I'm absolutelycertain of that. But once again,I think this is moving beyond just podcastingand is going to a value for value expanding out into all ofthese digital mediums. And so you might say like.CORIN, you know what? What would you smokeand you smoking crack. Yeah, And no, no, becauseit's already happening. So let me list offa couple examples. We have McCormack, who is the host of the AmericaPlus podcast. He is creating his he'svery much a visual person by natureand a videographer who just happensto have created a podcast, and he's creating a film called Magic MushroomFun Time.
And what he's going to do is he's going to put valuefor value music in and his selectedthree songs, and these are going to be core to,I guess, the experience that he's creating. He's using a mixture of,I believe, like in real lifefilming of, of him and his girlfriendand visuals created through mid Journeyto create a video. And then he's goingto blend this all together and hopefully he'll maybewith my help, be able to figure outhow to create this into a into a video podcastto then enable payments to be ableto go out to the value for value musicianswho are used, and that to himself and his girlfriend who acted in it,maybe into me if I help him outwith all of this.
So it's like, okay, well this is where videois starting to emerge. And withaudio and voice of music, we havethe behind the schemes. I've talked about thispodcast a couple of times. They are the most wacky,craziest podcast experienceyou will ever see. And that was this one timewhere I remember they were creatingGIFs or GIFs. How have you pronouncedthat, to put itin the chapter Art. So essentiallywhen you are listening to the podcast, you are kind of actuallygetting a video experience in a much smallercompressed format becausethey were using GIFs and when one chapterfinished, the next one would startand then the next gif would start.
So they were ableto kind of create a little video here. Once again, it's it'sdifferent. It's not. It's a different medium. What they're doing overthere was once again they're putting music and value for value ableand the wolf, the first V for V musiciansto create a full album dedicated to and utilisingall the the technology that was availableat the time. So this was roughly twoyears ago and Christmas, the album was created by peoplewho enjoyed their music or who wanted to helpcontribute to what they were doingand they got a split. So once again,okay, now we're seeing people who are much betterat more the visual art, being able to interactwith the musician and once againkind of get paid for it.
We see Dred Scott, someonewho maybe doesn't have particular skillsin videography or audio or who is not particularlya creative themself. He he's creating chaptersfor multiple shows in the post-productionstage, and he's adding his ownspin into the art to be able to createsomething that is different,that is new, that is valuable,and he is also getting rewarded for it. Okay, Well,now we're seeing people who maybe onon the highest end of the creativity spectrum. And I very much put myselfon that as well, being ableto help contribute and participatein in a digital medium.
Let's look at the doleful so into the doleful verse. This is a a familyof of ten brothers and one sisteror nine brothers and one sister of ten of ten kidswho are musicians. It's like the epitomeof what I imagine like the rural SouthAmerica to be. And they've createda podcast together to showcase the music,to talk about what they were doingwith their music. They play live musicon this podcast. I can boost into it, and it's a way for themto hike, highlight, to showcase what is going on with all of their old catalogue and bring it into this new medium,into this new world, because they're sick of Spotifyand they're sick of the what they would call the exploitivenature of it, whereyou put your music up and you get nothingin reward or you get a pittancelike a tool from Spotify.
Here is somemoney in my spit. Take it. We have textcommenting of listeners. Once again it's peopleproduce as of a show appearing as chaptersfor crowdsourced info. I participatedin this myself where Adam and Dave on podcasting 2.3 were saying somethingabout one of my shows and I was like, Oh,it's not exactly right. I sent in a boost in at that time so that when people are listening in, if they happento check out their app, they will see, Oh, COD can't actually senda message here clarifyingwhat they were saying. And then we had who wasI think it was Chad.
If being able to then boostand after that and see say kind of like,oh, I see your message. Thank you for that kind. There'sso much kind of cool stuff going on whereeveryone can participate. Once again, this this ability for digital mediumsto all merge and together. And I very much imaginethat in five years time there is going to be a word for whateverthe hell is going on here. I don't know what it isgoing to be, but very much in the samethat podcasting was a completely new wayto access audio in a different formatthat was on demand that was not througha radio station.
I very much think thatwe're creating something herewhich will be of a similar magnitude,maybe even bigger. Who knows where in five, ten years timeit's going to be like, What the hell is thisthing? This is completelydifferent. V for the musicis an example of this. Maybe it will be that. But now Ihad this recent chat on the models with this guycalled Alexander Watson up and he's an artist. He creates things, but he creates itthrough code and so he puts this codeonto a blockchain. And then this interactswith how with people, when they interactwith the art, they can actuallyparticipate in it.
And he had this examplewhere it was, you know, imagine if youhad a Picasso painting and you were able to add astroke to it yourself whilstit still retained the appearanceand the recognition of everyone ofbeing a Picasso painting. So you addingit has not defaced it, you've actually addedto the art yourself that is a extremely hugedraw. And in this contextwe were talking about being able to do this via blockchain and,and you know, as you are participatingwith the art, you get to choose what is actually being created and this will affect the kind of whole setof of the code that is.
And thecode allows for this. And I think there's a very similar parallelto what's going on here with, with everythingthat we're doing value for value,podcasting and music and and text and videoand things like this. It's addingthat interactive element from the audiencewhere, you know, I'm kind of doing it nowvia Boostagrams. I read out your boost agramsand I very much thank you for those messagesthat you coming in. What if you can do it withI suppose my guidance I don't want you just coming in and rushing and completelytaking over the show. But what if you havethe creativity to add to the show,much like Drebb has done?
Much like the Doerfels aredoing with their music, much like Ableand the Wolf did with the the artists coming in and creating chapter art,much like Cole is doing with valuefor value music. There's just so many ways to collaborate,to participate. And it's it's not limited. We're taking downthe barriers and it's it's amazing. It's so, so cool. Which gets onto the final portion ofthis is I'm my, I suppose, value for valuevision of the future. I it's I thinkit's an adding to the pie. It's not necessarily going to take awayfrom advertising or paywallsor things like that.
Those certainlystill will exist. But I do want to givea reminder. Okay, let's look at what's happenedto completely new radical distribution methodsof digital content. And we'll just takeradio here, digital newspapers and even TV. I believe that advertisinghas made them all trash. They are listening to the radionow is impossible for me. Newspapers,if you want to look at something online,you know, try looking at a Forbesarticle and you will get hit witha paywall immediately. TV is just a cesspool ofwhat is it? Probably like 12 minutesto every for every 30 minutesof programming.
12 minutes of it is ads. And it's like, how can we get more of thisinto their they kind of proudof being able to put12 minutes of ads in. It's like,are you kidding this? I've heard advertisers talking abouthow it's it's amazing job that they've been ableto do that. And in this case it'susually like a digital marketing showtalking about monetisation or somebullshit. And it's just look, I think we'reat the dawn of a new age. I'm not the typefor hyperbolic. I'm very much a calm,rational person, but value for value. There's a reason I createdthe value for value show and I truly believe we're going to seean unbelievable explosion of creativitybrought about by the combination of RSS Bitcoinand value for value. And I, I don't know what'sgoing to come from this, but I'm excited.
I think it's just even just value for valuemusic is not my socks off and is consuminglarge portions of my time. Literally just now. Before this, I was listening to a new show calledUpbeat by Salty Crayon and it's another additionto this twist of creativity, of peoplesharing, collaborating and just creatinga new medium. I Yeah, I'll leave itat that. It's just so slow down.Cool. And I love it. So I do want to thanksome people on this lastepisode of Season four. Welcome to the Value for Value Instagram and we've got a couple ofboosts in. I saw Sam Sethi is listening into the live.
Thank you very muchfor that, Sam. I was going to mentionI am live with all of these. There will be a new timingfor this coming up in the future, which should beon a monday instead of a Wednesdayfor myself. So just a little highlightfor that, but a couple of booststhat we come in here and there from someclassic supporters. We have Macintoshand he says, Sorry, it's been a bitI'm overwhelmed. I overwhelmedmy Fountain app and couldn'tget in it for over a week. Great episode 40 to 4242Sat-Sun using Fountain. So that's a double boost from him because he normally sendsin a 2121 because he is the host of the Generation Bitcoin podcastand 21 is a very special number for them.
So thank you verymuch for that. Macintosh fountain was coming outwith the it's 1.0 release and so any issues that you've been having with that, I know I've been having some of myselfjust with them crashingshould be resolved very soon, so just stickwith it, my friend. We have another one herefrom who else? Michael McCormack,host of America Plus. And he saysvideo is necessary because we are visualcreatures. There has to bea different way to host distribute video.I'm sure there is a new solutionaround the corner. 3333 sets itusing fountain as well. Very muchthank you call for the the lucky threes thereonce again he'll be distributingmagic mushroom fun time on Christmas of this year so I know he's definitelygoing to put it up on Twitter and expand Maybeas a as a podcast itself.
We'll just have to seewith that. But very much worthchecking in and tuning into his podcast as well to to hear more about that. And then the finalone here we had from a column owner and he says,I love your podcast a thousand sets once againsent using Fountain column owner once again. So Libra, host of the LightningThrashers podcast, I should just make sure. Yes. LightningThrashers podcast, which is a metal Vfor the music podcast. So if you feel likeyou know this VP of music, they're just playingpop songs or they're not playinganything that I specifically love,well, there's a metal podcastfor you to tune into.
You know, we're starting to getinto the neat stuff here, so this is so cool,so gratifying, so appreciating. Thank you ever and forfor really joining in and helpingto support the show. It it does make a big,big difference to to myself to be able to host thisto receive these messages. That's the most importantthing to know that people are listeningand it's helpful. And we even gota live on here so slowly vis a visthe future of all payments,lightning, thrashers, lightning emoji,I don't know what that is. The emojiwhere it's like the pinky and the point of finger pointed up Rock on 3333sent using pod.
Thank you, Coleman. Very,very much appreciated. Go check outlightning crashes is my recommendation. Okay. We're going to get into my tip section hereand I eat my own dog food. So everything that I've talked about on here,you send me everything that I've highlighted. It's it's it'ssomething that I've used. I've tuned into all of these shows. I've played aroundwith all of these apps. And I very much appreciate when I'm this isan educational show. I'm doing thisto try and help newcomers to perhaps even peoplewho are already well aware of whatvalue for value is to unlock a new niche, to think about somethingdifferent, to highlight what I think isis really happening here and what's importantabout it.
And allI just want to know is coming up to this next seasonto season four is how can I make this showbetter? What do you want to hear? What things that you thinkI'm missing about or not talking about valuefor value related and my current plan atthe moment is that I will I've got I've been reading quite a few books about technologyand how they change the world,especially digital stuff. So when I'm thinking of this, I'mthinking of things like Common is Air by LouisHeid, which is all about IP and how it's it'snot actually that helpful and stifles creativity.
I'm thinking of like booksabout Neil Postman Amusing Ourselvesto Death, where he was talking aboutwhy he believes that TV is is actually a kind of trash, and helinks this to advertising. Funnily enough,which is very relevant to this show. I'm thinking about books like The Long Tailby Chris Anderson, and he was really focusing on what happenedwith Napster and music and that explosionof creativity that was unlocked,of people being able to access musicin this long tail. So what I was thinking offor season four was highlighting some particular pointson these.
I wouldn't call itphilosophical. It's more it'smore technological, I guess is whatI was roughly thinking. So the episodewould be based around a particulartopic on, okay, what happenswhen distribution mediums get unlockedand what happens when collaboration is madeeasier? What happens when the abilityto send micropayments or to have direct peerto peer payments occurs? So that is generallywhat I'm thinking. But once again, I want toto hear your thoughts. And I mightadd, might if blueberry is got it sorted by then. I know Todd isis working on it.
I might even be ableto start highlighting something too,being playing around with value for value musicand putting in a split and being able to do itlive and things like this. So that's,that's kind of what I'm planning forfor season four. But once again, tips,please give me your tips on on howI can improve the show. So season four,I think I'll start in about a month or so. Yeah, I've been undera bit of stress recently, so I would have likedto have started it soon, but I definitely thinkI need a break. So that will I'll be backfor sure and I'll be back soonerrather than later.
And I'm not going to takeanother huge break like I did between seasonone and season two and seasontwo and season three. So yeah, that'sthat's very much what I am planning for that. My app and servicehighlight, if you haven't done it, I really,really do recommend going on to podcastindex dot org slash apps. So this is the place where you'll have heardall of this many times beforebecause people are saying go to new podcast appsor podcast app WSJ.com. This is where you'reactually going, this is where it'sgetting linked to and if you haven't doneit, it's worth just checking outeverything that is on here.
So, you know,it says supporting apps, directoriesand hosting companies. And we've got POD fansright at the top that Sam is talking about and it's it's orderedby the amount of tags and thingsthat each one supports. But it's worthjust going in here and going,okay, look, we've got POD fans,a completely new progressive web appslash hosting thing hosting for or abilityfor podcasts to add extra bits to their feed,which is because their hosts arenot particularly playing. The hosts arenot at the cutting edge of technology,let's put it that way. So we've got that.
We've got sovereign feeds,which is semi hosting and allows you to createyour own feed blueberry. Just beneath that,once again, another hosting a hosting companythat is well on board and at the topof this list and hence whyI am using it for this very showand why I'm moving one of my other showsover to their Got Podcast Guru,another app. We've gotjust so many things. RSS Bluejust added the ability for value for valuemusic and musicians. Sorry,this is more for people who want to play value for value music to be able to create time splitsand I'm sure they do hosting as wellfor for music.
We've got pitches by talksabout that in one ofthe recent episodes. So this is being ableto do value for value paymentsin a video platform. A host of apps,we've got Standard FM, This is where you cancreate transcripts kind of withinthe app and be able to create things like that. We've got land beats,which is where you can play all this valuefor value music. So it's a music app. The split kittransistor dystopia, there's just podcastchapters. It's just hard,many things going on here. It's absolutely insanehow much interconnected weaving of specificstuff is on here.
It truly is mind blowing. So if you think I'm,you know, I'm I'm kind of hyping it up. TIME Where is value for why isn't valuefor value on Spotify? Why aren't thesebig companies doing it? They're going to takea while. It's it's just the natureof the beast. But there's so much stuffhere now where it's like, you don't even need those. Like, I haven't used Spotifyfor a long, long time because all of these appsthat I'm using are just better. They arejust truly better. And it takes a whilefor people to find out just how much betterthey are. So that is my appand service highlight.
Please check outpodcast apps dot comand you'll see some very, very cool, very interestingthings there which you can play aroundwith not just for the a podcasting app but for all of these other abilities to createand do interesting things with transcripts,with the services, with all sorts of stuff.Incredible. So I'm going towrap it up here and with my valuefor value section as usual, I'm going to give 15%to someone and I'm going to give it to the podcastindex themselves. So the visionarieswho started this project to combine RSS Bitcoinand value for value, you know, Adam and Dave that look, Adam's a visionary for helpingto create podcasting, so he's already, he'salready got the chops.
Dave is just a wonderfulhuman being. And these two guys whojust started this thing, what, three years agoroughly, and look where we arenow, there's so much creativity, so much awesome,amazing things going on. And they deserveall the recognition they, you know, as muchas podcasting to an hour it probably will be andvalue for value as well. Adam came up with the term John C Dvorak on his showon the recent models episode whereI had a chat with him. He was already sayinglike, you know, people are saying valuefor value of the TV without realising the origin of the term, which is showcasingjust how broad scale and how far outit's going.
So it's super amazingand they really do deserve all the props and, and for what they're doing and what they're creating,it's so amazing. So I'm going to end ithere once again. Time, talent and treasure. This is the valuefor Value podcast. These are the three things that help this podcasttick along. Pleasejust share an episode with a digital creator. That's that'swhat all I ask for you for, for this episode. If you know a musicianwho is struggling and not enjoying Spotify, send them to the Valuefor Value podcast or to somewhere where you believethat it will help them to to understandwhat is going on.
And that's all I ask. And if you know someone who is interestedin these things, it's going to it has tostart with the creators and letting their audienceknow, Hey, you can come support mehere. So if you know someonewho is like that, please share the showwith them or or even any of the other resourcesI've talked about. Once again,this is educational. I want you to just create the best thing, do the best thing forfor someone who is showing an interestin wanting to learn so very muchwould be appreciate if you could do that talentI've already listed off.
How can I make the showbetter? What do you want to hear?What is missing? Any bookrecommendations for? I was talking aboutwith those ideas about technologyand how that's going, how that has changed andaltered altered things. Please send them to me. I want to hear them. And thenfinally, treasure. We've seen quitea few people bursting into this show,listening in live, and you can do thison the new podcast app. I just listed it offbefore the age that I covered in my highlighting sectionwere Let's see if I can do this offthe top of my head. Fountain pod vers curacosta pod fanscosta matic breeze podcast guru.
And there's one more. I'll bring it up quicklyright now so I don't leave that last one out and the last one there,while you can do it on the podcastindex website as well. And then pod friendof course almost, almost missedMartin's app at the end. You can also do this on the podcastindex website or you can do thisdirectly to me if you go to me and modelspodcast dot com. I've got a video thereshowcasing how to use the new apps. I've got an explanationof a text, explanation of everythingthat's going on. I've even got a little lightning addressthere for someone who's absolutely new, has no ideawhat Bitcoin lightning is.
All those things. If you copy that in link,it'll give you a, a highlight ofof how to do that. And I think I put 2000stats on there if you want to trythat out as well. So lots of thingsyou can do lots of stuff to play around with and I very much doappreciate it when you burst into the show and not only show your support, but give me some contentfor the the next episodes,the next season. And yeah,well, I'll be back soon to read those out. Thank you everyone,for joining me to to the end of the season. It was another fantastic learning experiencefor me, going live, trying out all these things, and I really do hopethat I've have helped to enlightenand to to help some people out.
That's that'swhy I'm doing this. So we'll leave it therefor today. And until shortly. Chao for now, Kyrin out.
What will digital content look like in five yearstime? Welcome everyone to the final episodeof season three of the valuefor Value podcast. You've got your host here, Kyrinfrom the Mere Mortals, Mere Mortals bookreviews as well. But this is the valuefor value show where we helpdigital content creators connectwith their audience and be able to monetiseat the same time, avoiding the corrupting influence that I believeof advertising and not even justcorrupting. I thinkit's actually going to die and that'swhy I'm going to lay out my ideas here for seasonthree of the Value for Value podcast.
My my vision of the future vs the visionof the future. So what we're going to doof this is have a look backat what we've learned in these last episodesof of season three. I think we did about 18 or 19,which is about as usual. That's, that's typically how many I doin the season. We're going to watch meget hyped up about the possibilitieson what I think is going to happenin the future and then even worktogether to shape this very showfor us. Season four and what's going tocome up with that. Before we do that, though,let's go over what we've learnedfrom season three.
So just as a quick reminder as well, Seasonone was all about the philosophy of valuefor value, the first learning of it,how it interacts, how it's differentfrom advertising or paywalls or sponsorshipsand things like that. Season two was really looking at particular podcastsand how they were interactingand using value for value and making this workthat shows. And then season three,well, boy, did I go offcourse a bit. So my original plan was to followthe eight chapters that I had set upwhen I made the episode 394 of the models,which was all about yet kind of Bitcoin value for valueand podcasting, RSS.
However, I didn't stickto the letter of that. I think I didkind of reasonably well, probably stuckto about half of them. But other cool topics that came up andI just had to cover them. So I'd say what, whatwe most learnt from, from this was the, the foundationof everything that we're doing hereis the most critical. So if you go backto episodes 39 to roughly 44 of,of this very podcast, so these had titles like the four Properties,what is a podcast, The Emergenceof Podcasting, two Pono micropaymentsactually work based around messages,things like this.
These werethe kind of philosophy of the underpinnings. So we learned aboutthe four properties. These were decentralisation, selfsovereignty being permissionlessand value transfer and how these worktogether to create these abilities,to have micropayments, to have splits and why a podcastis valuable, for example. So this was reallyfocusing on on those three three letteracronyms, RSS, V4 V and BTC. So this was I suppose the main thingthat I tried I wanted to get acrossfor this season. Season three what, whatthese three things were and and whythat was so important.
So that was reallyat the start of it. Then when we gotinto the later episodes, this was said,this is 45 to 55. Even this one I guess 256 these werea mixture of philosophy. So this iswhen we're talking about open source and valuefor value concepts, such as in episode 51,the open source revolution is upon us 47 Common v4v Misconceptions 54 How to ask for supportthings like this. We then got on to more of the implementationso these were the podcasting 2.0 appsand the valued time split. So this was when I didepisode 53, the run throughof the podcasting 2.0 apps and some of the kindof like statistics and things like this,the V for V music, how to access V for Vmusic and 45 and 46.
And then finallywhere we are at this momentwith V for V music, with video,with podcasting to produce statistics and with text. And so that kind of filled out the rest of this and, and some other little bitssuch as like the incentives of hosting and mini case examplesthat I've done. So those quitea few things. This was just to sayas a reminder, all of this only worksbecause of RSS. Bitcoinand values for value and how they interactand merge together. So that the interestingthing about this is I suppose I didn'tget too deep into it, but you know,these are not affected by external things.
So the whimsof technology. So I for example,that's not going to make RSS obsolete. If anything, I creationsare going to make their wayinto the mechanism, the, the distribution mechanismthat is RSS are the economic decisionsof anyone government. So this is where,you know, money printed go brr In some countriesthis is where, you know, fiscalthings are happening, money is getting debased. You know, peopleare feeling inflation costs are risingand things like this. None of thatreally matters to Bitcoin. So which is why, okay,we're layering this in on top of the distribution and then we have the kindof cultural sways of what is hot or not and who is oppressedand cancel culture and what's going to goto happen here.
And you know this person. So the bad thing onceagain, value for value is a isa countermeasure to that because you're not relyingon one sponsor, which is very much influencedby the whims of the crowd or the mob or a advertiseor even a suite of of of social appswhich will kick you off if you do or don't saya certain thing. So that's pretty muchwhat we covered in in all of this. Why? Why it's important to have RSS, why it's importantto have Bitcoin on top of this, and then why valuefor value is the kind of trifecta and the merging of thesethree three things.
So that's,I suppose, what I tried to convey here in seasonthree, my value for value vision of the future. So that that's very muchI kind of, I guess like the pastleading up to the present. What, what do I thinkis coming for the future? So I kind of want to paint a picture here of a combiningof all digital mediums. So the, the ability to createis only ever expanding. And so creating an amazing image, which a lot of peopleare now able to do through thingslike Mid Journey and then just posting it on Instagram, I just don't thinkis going to cut it. So what do I kind of seehappening for the fur for the future?
Well, RSS, for example, all of the current platformsI believe, are so limiting for collaboration. So sure, you can have somepeople where it's like, I put my music on Tik Tokand then a girl can dance to this music and create aan interesting thing. But all of these kindof platforms that exist for distributionof, of digital content. So I'm really thinking of the social platformshere. I just they don't playnicely with each other. And I was talking about this recently in one of the recent episodesabout how if I wantedto have a short video, I had to go individually and post iton each platform.
And that's because, once again, advertising is this kind of thing that just lays downand creates all of these weird incentives. So I think RSS actually allows fora lot more collaboration. And I think we're goingto really see this with a merging ofof these digital mediums where people who are moreexpertise in text can combine with someone who is more expertisein audio. And how is this goingto work? Well,I think the incentives to work together areactually going to align. So this is where it comesto, to Bitcoin and all of these old onesthat there was there was no incentive to work together becausehow can you get paid and then how can you know, there'sgoing to get a split?
So, sure, you can geta little token on on tik-tok of an ice creamemoji or things like this. Same thing on on YouTubewhere sure, you can get some money,but you know, it's only go into one account, you're not ableto split it up even if you've got another person on your showand things like this. This is where we really getting into the nutsand bolts of, okay, if it's direct,peer to peer, and if you can createsplits, it just takes awayso much bullshit, takes away the middleman, and it has theseincentives where, Oh, okay, I'm actuallyputting my work out here and I don't have to.
I can focus completelyand solely on the art of what I'm creating for an amazing experiencefor my audience. And then I can just get distribute, I can get paidfor that via that by my audience. It's a it's so much moreof a direct interaction. I think the incentivesmake it so that you are goingto create better art, you're going to create. And when I say art, I'm really encompassingeverything here. I'm including podcasts,I'm including text, I'm including videos, I'mincluding, you know, music, I'mincluding pictures. I'm includingwhatever it is that you can imaginethat you want to create.
It's it'sjust being able to do that and then having peopledirectly be able to reward you for that without having to do all this bullshitwith advertising, which once againis getting onto the value for value portion. I really just thinkadvertising is going to shrivelwith direct peer to peer payments. It just everything linesup and makes it so that there's there'sno incentives to have advertising or well,like the incentives, advertising for me alwaysseems like a workaround. It always seems like a indirect way of monetising your audience,which is what it is.
You know, it's it's not like advertisingadvertisers are paying you just because they reallywant to put this thing on your show. It's like,Oh yeah, it's going to make a better showif I have a if if I have an adfor mattresses in there. This is this is what I reallythink is going to happen. No, they're doing itso that their audience can pay themand then they can pay you. So what would happenif you can your audiencecan just pay you. It justmakes so much more sense. So this is where I reallythink my my V4 vision of the future is. It's it'sjust going to take away.
People are getting sickof dealing with what one hearing advertiseson the podcast. I'm absolutelycertain of that. But once again,I think this is moving beyond just podcastingand is going to a value for value expanding out into all ofthese digital mediums. And so you might say like.CORIN, you know what? What would you smokeand you smoking crack. Yeah, And no, no, becauseit's already happening. So let me list offa couple examples. We have McCormack, who is the host of the AmericaPlus podcast. He is creating his he'svery much a visual person by natureand a videographer who just happensto have created a podcast, and he's creating a film called Magic MushroomFun Time.
And what he's going to do is he's going to put valuefor value music in and his selectedthree songs, and these are going to be core to,I guess, the experience that he's creating. He's using a mixture of,I believe, like in real lifefilming of, of him and his girlfriendand visuals created through mid Journeyto create a video. And then he's goingto blend this all together and hopefully he'll maybewith my help, be able to figure outhow to create this into a into a video podcastto then enable payments to be ableto go out to the value for value musicianswho are used, and that to himself and his girlfriend who acted in it,maybe into me if I help him outwith all of this.
So it's like, okay, well this is where videois starting to emerge. And withaudio and voice of music, we havethe behind the schemes. I've talked about thispodcast a couple of times. They are the most wacky,craziest podcast experienceyou will ever see. And that was this one timewhere I remember they were creatingGIFs or GIFs. How have you pronouncedthat, to put itin the chapter Art. So essentiallywhen you are listening to the podcast, you are kind of actuallygetting a video experience in a much smallercompressed format becausethey were using GIFs and when one chapterfinished, the next one would startand then the next gif would start.
So they were ableto kind of create a little video here. Once again, it's it'sdifferent. It's not. It's a different medium. What they're doing overthere was once again they're putting music and value for value ableand the wolf, the first V for V musiciansto create a full album dedicated to and utilisingall the the technology that was availableat the time. So this was roughly twoyears ago and Christmas, the album was created by peoplewho enjoyed their music or who wanted to helpcontribute to what they were doingand they got a split. So once again,okay, now we're seeing people who are much betterat more the visual art, being able to interactwith the musician and once againkind of get paid for it.
We see Dred Scott, someonewho maybe doesn't have particular skillsin videography or audio or who is not particularlya creative themself. He he's creating chaptersfor multiple shows in the post-productionstage, and he's adding his ownspin into the art to be able to createsomething that is different,that is new, that is valuable,and he is also getting rewarded for it. Okay, Well,now we're seeing people who maybe onon the highest end of the creativity spectrum. And I very much put myselfon that as well, being ableto help contribute and participatein in a digital medium.
Let's look at the doleful so into the doleful verse. This is a a familyof of ten brothers and one sisteror nine brothers and one sister of ten of ten kidswho are musicians. It's like the epitomeof what I imagine like the rural SouthAmerica to be. And they've createda podcast together to showcase the music,to talk about what they were doingwith their music. They play live musicon this podcast. I can boost into it, and it's a way for themto hike, highlight, to showcase what is going on with all of their old catalogue and bring it into this new medium,into this new world, because they're sick of Spotifyand they're sick of the what they would call the exploitivenature of it, whereyou put your music up and you get nothingin reward or you get a pittancelike a tool from Spotify.
Here is somemoney in my spit. Take it. We have textcommenting of listeners. Once again it's peopleproduce as of a show appearing as chaptersfor crowdsourced info. I participatedin this myself where Adam and Dave on podcasting 2.3 were saying somethingabout one of my shows and I was like, Oh,it's not exactly right. I sent in a boost in at that time so that when people are listening in, if they happento check out their app, they will see, Oh, COD can't actually senda message here clarifyingwhat they were saying. And then we had who wasI think it was Chad.
If being able to then boostand after that and see say kind of like,oh, I see your message. Thank you for that kind. There'sso much kind of cool stuff going on whereeveryone can participate. Once again, this this ability for digital mediumsto all merge and together. And I very much imaginethat in five years time there is going to be a word for whateverthe hell is going on here. I don't know what it isgoing to be, but very much in the samethat podcasting was a completely new wayto access audio in a different formatthat was on demand that was not througha radio station.
I very much think thatwe're creating something herewhich will be of a similar magnitude,maybe even bigger. Who knows where in five, ten years timeit's going to be like, What the hell is thisthing? This is completelydifferent. V for the musicis an example of this. Maybe it will be that. But now Ihad this recent chat on the models with this guycalled Alexander Watson up and he's an artist. He creates things, but he creates itthrough code and so he puts this codeonto a blockchain. And then this interactswith how with people, when they interactwith the art, they can actuallyparticipate in it.
And he had this examplewhere it was, you know, imagine if youhad a Picasso painting and you were able to add astroke to it yourself whilstit still retained the appearanceand the recognition of everyone ofbeing a Picasso painting. So you addingit has not defaced it, you've actually addedto the art yourself that is a extremely hugedraw. And in this contextwe were talking about being able to do this via blockchain and,and you know, as you are participatingwith the art, you get to choose what is actually being created and this will affect the kind of whole setof of the code that is.
And thecode allows for this. And I think there's a very similar parallelto what's going on here with, with everythingthat we're doing value for value,podcasting and music and and text and videoand things like this. It's addingthat interactive element from the audiencewhere, you know, I'm kind of doing it nowvia Boostagrams. I read out your boost agramsand I very much thank you for those messagesthat you coming in. What if you can do it withI suppose my guidance I don't want you just coming in and rushing and completelytaking over the show. But what if you havethe creativity to add to the show,much like Drebb has done?
Much like the Doerfels aredoing with their music, much like Ableand the Wolf did with the the artists coming in and creating chapter art,much like Cole is doing with valuefor value music. There's just so many ways to collaborate,to participate. And it's it's not limited. We're taking downthe barriers and it's it's amazing. It's so, so cool. Which gets onto the final portion ofthis is I'm my, I suppose, value for valuevision of the future. I it's I thinkit's an adding to the pie. It's not necessarily going to take awayfrom advertising or paywallsor things like that.
Those certainlystill will exist. But I do want to givea reminder. Okay, let's look at what's happenedto completely new radical distribution methodsof digital content. And we'll just takeradio here, digital newspapers and even TV. I believe that advertisinghas made them all trash. They are listening to the radionow is impossible for me. Newspapers,if you want to look at something online,you know, try looking at a Forbesarticle and you will get hit witha paywall immediately. TV is just a cesspool ofwhat is it? Probably like 12 minutesto every for every 30 minutesof programming.
12 minutes of it is ads. And it's like, how can we get more of thisinto their they kind of proudof being able to put12 minutes of ads in. It's like,are you kidding this? I've heard advertisers talking abouthow it's it's amazing job that they've been ableto do that. And in this case it'susually like a digital marketing showtalking about monetisation or somebullshit. And it's just look, I think we'reat the dawn of a new age. I'm not the typefor hyperbolic. I'm very much a calm,rational person, but value for value. There's a reason I createdthe value for value show and I truly believe we're going to seean unbelievable explosion of creativitybrought about by the combination of RSS Bitcoinand value for value. And I, I don't know what'sgoing to come from this, but I'm excited.
I think it's just even just value for valuemusic is not my socks off and is consuminglarge portions of my time. Literally just now. Before this, I was listening to a new show calledUpbeat by Salty Crayon and it's another additionto this twist of creativity, of peoplesharing, collaborating and just creatinga new medium. I Yeah, I'll leave itat that. It's just so slow down.Cool. And I love it. So I do want to thanksome people on this lastepisode of Season four. Welcome to the Value for Value Instagram and we've got a couple ofboosts in. I saw Sam Sethi is listening into the live.
Thank you very muchfor that, Sam. I was going to mentionI am live with all of these. There will be a new timingfor this coming up in the future, which should beon a monday instead of a Wednesdayfor myself. So just a little highlightfor that, but a couple of booststhat we come in here and there from someclassic supporters. We have Macintoshand he says, Sorry, it's been a bitI'm overwhelmed. I overwhelmedmy Fountain app and couldn'tget in it for over a week. Great episode 40 to 4242Sat-Sun using Fountain. So that's a double boost from him because he normally sendsin a 2121 because he is the host of the Generation Bitcoin podcastand 21 is a very special number for them.
So thank you verymuch for that. Macintosh fountain was coming outwith the it's 1.0 release and so any issues that you've been having with that, I know I've been having some of myselfjust with them crashingshould be resolved very soon, so just stickwith it, my friend. We have another one herefrom who else? Michael McCormack,host of America Plus. And he saysvideo is necessary because we are visualcreatures. There has to bea different way to host distribute video.I'm sure there is a new solutionaround the corner. 3333 sets itusing fountain as well. Very muchthank you call for the the lucky threes thereonce again he'll be distributingmagic mushroom fun time on Christmas of this year so I know he's definitelygoing to put it up on Twitter and expand Maybeas a as a podcast itself.
We'll just have to seewith that. But very much worthchecking in and tuning into his podcast as well to to hear more about that. And then the finalone here we had from a column owner and he says,I love your podcast a thousand sets once againsent using Fountain column owner once again. So Libra, host of the LightningThrashers podcast, I should just make sure. Yes. LightningThrashers podcast, which is a metal Vfor the music podcast. So if you feel likeyou know this VP of music, they're just playingpop songs or they're not playinganything that I specifically love,well, there's a metal podcastfor you to tune into.
You know, we're starting to getinto the neat stuff here, so this is so cool,so gratifying, so appreciating. Thank you ever and forfor really joining in and helpingto support the show. It it does make a big,big difference to to myself to be able to host thisto receive these messages. That's the most importantthing to know that people are listeningand it's helpful. And we even gota live on here so slowly vis a visthe future of all payments,lightning, thrashers, lightning emoji,I don't know what that is. The emojiwhere it's like the pinky and the point of finger pointed up Rock on 3333sent using pod.
Thank you, Coleman. Very,very much appreciated. Go check outlightning crashes is my recommendation. Okay. We're going to get into my tip section hereand I eat my own dog food. So everything that I've talked about on here,you send me everything that I've highlighted. It's it's it'ssomething that I've used. I've tuned into all of these shows. I've played aroundwith all of these apps. And I very much appreciate when I'm this isan educational show. I'm doing thisto try and help newcomers to perhaps even peoplewho are already well aware of whatvalue for value is to unlock a new niche, to think about somethingdifferent, to highlight what I think isis really happening here and what's importantabout it.
And allI just want to know is coming up to this next seasonto season four is how can I make this showbetter? What do you want to hear? What things that you thinkI'm missing about or not talking about valuefor value related and my current plan atthe moment is that I will I've got I've been reading quite a few books about technologyand how they change the world,especially digital stuff. So when I'm thinking of this, I'mthinking of things like Common is Air by LouisHeid, which is all about IP and how it's it'snot actually that helpful and stifles creativity.
I'm thinking of like booksabout Neil Postman Amusing Ourselvesto Death, where he was talking aboutwhy he believes that TV is is actually a kind of trash, and helinks this to advertising. Funnily enough,which is very relevant to this show. I'm thinking about books like The Long Tailby Chris Anderson, and he was really focusing on what happenedwith Napster and music and that explosionof creativity that was unlocked,of people being able to access musicin this long tail. So what I was thinking offor season four was highlighting some particular pointson these.
I wouldn't call itphilosophical. It's more it'smore technological, I guess is whatI was roughly thinking. So the episodewould be based around a particulartopic on, okay, what happenswhen distribution mediums get unlockedand what happens when collaboration is madeeasier? What happens when the abilityto send micropayments or to have direct peerto peer payments occurs? So that is generallywhat I'm thinking. But once again, I want toto hear your thoughts. And I mightadd, might if blueberry is got it sorted by then. I know Todd isis working on it.
I might even be ableto start highlighting something too,being playing around with value for value musicand putting in a split and being able to do itlive and things like this. So that's,that's kind of what I'm planning forfor season four. But once again, tips,please give me your tips on on howI can improve the show. So season four,I think I'll start in about a month or so. Yeah, I've been undera bit of stress recently, so I would have likedto have started it soon, but I definitely thinkI need a break. So that will I'll be backfor sure and I'll be back soonerrather than later.
And I'm not going to takeanother huge break like I did between seasonone and season two and seasontwo and season three. So yeah, that'sthat's very much what I am planning for that. My app and servicehighlight, if you haven't done it, I really,really do recommend going on to podcastindex dot org slash apps. So this is the place where you'll have heardall of this many times beforebecause people are saying go to new podcast appsor podcast app WSJ.com. This is where you'reactually going, this is where it'sgetting linked to and if you haven't doneit, it's worth just checking outeverything that is on here.
So, you know,it says supporting apps, directoriesand hosting companies. And we've got POD fansright at the top that Sam is talking about and it's it's orderedby the amount of tags and thingsthat each one supports. But it's worthjust going in here and going,okay, look, we've got POD fans,a completely new progressive web appslash hosting thing hosting for or abilityfor podcasts to add extra bits to their feed,which is because their hosts arenot particularly playing. The hosts arenot at the cutting edge of technology,let's put it that way. So we've got that.
We've got sovereign feeds,which is semi hosting and allows you to createyour own feed blueberry. Just beneath that,once again, another hosting a hosting companythat is well on board and at the topof this list and hence whyI am using it for this very showand why I'm moving one of my other showsover to their Got Podcast Guru,another app. We've gotjust so many things. RSS Bluejust added the ability for value for valuemusic and musicians. Sorry,this is more for people who want to play value for value music to be able to create time splitsand I'm sure they do hosting as wellfor for music.
We've got pitches by talksabout that in one ofthe recent episodes. So this is being ableto do value for value paymentsin a video platform. A host of apps,we've got Standard FM, This is where you cancreate transcripts kind of withinthe app and be able to create things like that. We've got land beats,which is where you can play all this valuefor value music. So it's a music app. The split kittransistor dystopia, there's just podcastchapters. It's just hard,many things going on here. It's absolutely insanehow much interconnected weaving of specificstuff is on here.
It truly is mind blowing. So if you think I'm,you know, I'm I'm kind of hyping it up. TIME Where is value for why isn't valuefor value on Spotify? Why aren't thesebig companies doing it? They're going to takea while. It's it's just the natureof the beast. But there's so much stuffhere now where it's like, you don't even need those. Like, I haven't used Spotifyfor a long, long time because all of these appsthat I'm using are just better. They arejust truly better. And it takes a whilefor people to find out just how much betterthey are. So that is my appand service highlight.
Please check outpodcast apps dot comand you'll see some very, very cool, very interestingthings there which you can play aroundwith not just for the a podcasting app but for all of these other abilities to createand do interesting things with transcripts,with the services, with all sorts of stuff.Incredible. So I'm going towrap it up here and with my valuefor value section as usual, I'm going to give 15%to someone and I'm going to give it to the podcastindex themselves. So the visionarieswho started this project to combine RSS Bitcoinand value for value, you know, Adam and Dave that look, Adam's a visionary for helpingto create podcasting, so he's already, he'salready got the chops.
Dave is just a wonderfulhuman being. And these two guys whojust started this thing, what, three years agoroughly, and look where we arenow, there's so much creativity, so much awesome,amazing things going on. And they deserveall the recognition they, you know, as muchas podcasting to an hour it probably will be andvalue for value as well. Adam came up with the term John C Dvorak on his showon the recent models episode whereI had a chat with him. He was already sayinglike, you know, people are saying valuefor value of the TV without realising the origin of the term, which is showcasingjust how broad scale and how far outit's going.
So it's super amazingand they really do deserve all the props and, and for what they're doing and what they're creating,it's so amazing. So I'm going to end ithere once again. Time, talent and treasure. This is the valuefor Value podcast. These are the three things that help this podcasttick along. Pleasejust share an episode with a digital creator. That's that'swhat all I ask for you for, for this episode. If you know a musicianwho is struggling and not enjoying Spotify, send them to the Valuefor Value podcast or to somewhere where you believethat it will help them to to understandwhat is going on.
And that's all I ask. And if you know someone who is interestedin these things, it's going to it has tostart with the creators and letting their audienceknow, Hey, you can come support mehere. So if you know someonewho is like that, please share the showwith them or or even any of the other resourcesI've talked about. Once again,this is educational. I want you to just create the best thing, do the best thing forfor someone who is showing an interestin wanting to learn so very muchwould be appreciate if you could do that talentI've already listed off.
How can I make the showbetter? What do you want to hear?What is missing? Any bookrecommendations for? I was talking aboutwith those ideas about technologyand how that's going, how that has changed andaltered altered things. Please send them to me. I want to hear them. And thenfinally, treasure. We've seen quitea few people bursting into this show,listening in live, and you can do thison the new podcast app. I just listed it offbefore the age that I covered in my highlighting sectionwere Let's see if I can do this offthe top of my head. Fountain pod vers curacosta pod fanscosta matic breeze podcast guru.
And there's one more. I'll bring it up quicklyright now so I don't leave that last one out and the last one there,while you can do it on the podcastindex website as well. And then pod friendof course almost, almost missedMartin's app at the end. You can also do this on the podcastindex website or you can do thisdirectly to me if you go to me and modelspodcast dot com. I've got a video thereshowcasing how to use the new apps. I've got an explanationof a text, explanation of everythingthat's going on. I've even got a little lightning addressthere for someone who's absolutely new, has no ideawhat Bitcoin lightning is.
All those things. If you copy that in link,it'll give you a, a highlight ofof how to do that. And I think I put 2000stats on there if you want to trythat out as well. So lots of thingsyou can do lots of stuff to play around with and I very much doappreciate it when you burst into the show and not only show your support, but give me some contentfor the the next episodes,the next season. And yeah,well, I'll be back soon to read those out. Thank you everyone,for joining me to to the end of the season. It was another fantastic learning experiencefor me, going live, trying out all these things, and I really do hopethat I've have helped to enlightenand to to help some people out.
That's that'swhy I'm doing this. So we'll leave it therefor today. And until shortly. Chao for now, Kyrin out.
