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AOB

• Freedom Tech Friday plug
• Q heading on another stag
• Prime/Core shipping updates
• Beach retreat soon
• Treasury company hype a bubble?

NEWS

• Ledger seed backup
• Ledger discontinuing support for Ledger nano S
  • Zach's take
• Ashigaru terminal on Start9
• Bitcoin as mortgage collateral in the US
  • Seen some pushback
• Bitcoin tax exemption bill in US
• YouTube warpath

UPDATES/RELEASES

• Envoy 2.0 beta
• Zeus v0.11.2-beta1
• Wallet of Satoshi back in the US with a 'self custody' option
• Cake Wallet 5.1.0
• Robosats v0.7.9
• BTCPay v2.1.6

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Bitcoin   is close to becoming worthless.  

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Bitcoin.   Now what's the Bitcoin?  

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Bitcoin's like rat poison.  

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Yeah.   Oh. The greatest scam in history.   Let's get it.  

[00:00:27] Unknown:

Bitcoin will go to fucking zero.  

[00:00:42] Unknown:

Welcome back to The Bitcoin Brief, the show where me and q and a catch up every two weeks to talk about Bitcoin,   privacy,   open source,   keeping your Bitcoin secure,   and the news and software updates that matter.   I just wanted say a massive thank you to everyone who's been supporting Ungovernable Misfits   and a big thank you to Foundation Devices   for supporting the show. If you haven't already checked them out, go to foundation.x,xyz.   They make cypherpunk tools for fuckwits, and anyone can use this, even me. If you have any questions or you want to reach out, feel free, and I'll be happy to go through things with you. For anything super technical, I'll pass you on to q. If you wanna buy one of these incredible passports,   use the code ungovernable.  

It will get you a discount, and it will let them know that I'm shilling.   I'd also like to say a huge thank you to the k Wallet team.   Not only are they supporting this show, but they're also bringing out some incredible features.   For those of you who actually use Bitcoin   and actually care about their privacy and security,   Cake Wallet make it incredibly simple for you to live outside of the traditional financial system.   You can use Cake Pay within the app to buy gift cards   for food, petrol, and whatever else you might need day to day. You can use silent payments,   and, of course, you can use Monero.  

You can connect both Bitcoin and Monero nodes,   use coin control,   and this team are constantly innovating.   And I'm really excited to be working with them. If you have any questions, you can reach out to me, but check them out at cakewallet.com.   Download the APK   or start using this today   on Mac, Windows,   Linux,   iPhone,   or of course, your Android device.   Enjoy the show.   Back again. Look at this. We can't stay away from each other, can we? Twice in three days.   I know.  

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Not sure who's the lucky one. I think we're both lucky. We've got each other. And the listeners. Luck all round, isn't it? It is. Yeah. Yeah.   For context, we're talking about the fact that we are recorded on Monday, July,   mid afternoon in the in The UK and god knows what time in Antarctica. But we also recorded the inaugural   Freedom Tech Friday, ironically,   last Friday with our good friend, Seth, which was our first ever live show. I think it went alright. What do you think? I think it went exceptionally well.  

[00:03:20] Unknown:

I thought it could have ended up being an absolute clusterfuck, but I lost my, audio   towards the end. And then we lost the last two or three minutes, which were great two or three minutes as well. You should have been there live to catch that. Just as I started to berate you for your audio, my Internet completely dropped out.   And then I had, like, two minutes of abusing you, but you missed that unless they were live. So there are reasons to join the live even though it's gonna go on the feed afterwards. No. I think it went really well. I think, you know, there was a few bits where it was live, and I was like, didn't explain a couple of things very well. Where afterwards, I was like, that's what live's about, baby. You gotta be on your game. But other than that, it was good. Yeah. Absolutely. I like that we've got the tight one hour time scale for various different reasons. I think that kinda keeps us honest and trying to keep us as on track as we can be. But I'm really, really bullish on how much audience participation we got even for the first one. Oh, it was amazing. So if you were there, if you were around asking questions, boosting,  

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zapping on Nosta, Thank you so much. It really, really, really does help a lot. We've even been getting   questions coming in from people that have listened back on Fountain afterwards to the recording. Mhmm. So we'll make sure that those people are not forgotten about as well. Obviously, we'd love you to be able to join live, but we understand that two PM GMT or 9AM eastern on a Friday, people have lives. They can't always join live, so that's why we record it as well. But I'm really happy with how it went considering how many moving parts there were with OBS and Zencastr   and Restream and Noster and Twitter and YouTube. It all seemed to go fairly swimmingly, luckily, until the last couple of minutes. So, yeah, it was good fun. Yeah. I'm I'm looking forward to doing it every single week with you boys. Yeah. It was actually really fun, and I didn't have the dread that I would normally have afterwards where I go, oh god. Now it's gotta be edited.  



[00:05:11] Unknown:

Oh, no. That's how it normally ends, and it was like, oh, it's done. This is it. It's finished. So, some of those initial fears I think it wasn't even, like, fears. It was, like, control.   I obsess over the control of the quality of what we put out Yeah. To, like, a proper artist level where John and everyone's just like, mate, you need to sort your fucking life out. And so letting go of the reins a little bit was actually, yeah, quite a nice feeling. And just having that amount of like, I was sat no. Obviously, I snows, but I was just sat in my boxes in my living room, like, doing the recording. And then I suddenly looked down. We've got over a thousand people joining us live here just on Twitter. That was wild. And I'm just sat in my boxes talking about freedom. Yeah. This is weird.  

[00:05:55] Unknown:

Incredibly validated to see those sorts of numbers for the very, very first one as well. So, hopefully, we can continue to pump that and reach even more people. Yeah. I think to your point around letting go of control, and I would push back a little bit and just say the ungovernable   listener base is already very, very well catered for for, in my opinion and I know I'm kind of talking my own jam here a bit a little bit because I'm a part of the crew, but the best produced show, Bitcoin or cryptocurrency related, there is. Like, the amount of time you put into editing to make it slick, the amount of time that Jordan puts into the chapters and Crown puts into the art and John puts into the research and same for Seth. We've already got the most well polished products for the three different core shows, shall we say. Yeah. So I think it's fine to have, like, a bit more of a unpolished product because as long as people understand that, you know, this is live. It's unfiltered.   Shit's gonna go wrong in truly an ungovernable style,   and we're just there to have a bit of fun with the listener base and get them involved. Yeah. Have them comment and ask questions and, you know, we don't just wanna just talk at you or try to like the usual shows where we're just talking about the latest stuff. Like, we there is an aspect of that, but the biggest and best part for me is when we get people getting involved and asking questions and and feeling like Yeah. Even more a part of the community, which is one of the strongest pieces of the whole ungovernable misfits kind of empire. Yeah. It's really cool. And the questions we got the quality of the questions we got was incredible, which I I kinda was expecting because of the type of listener base we have. But, yeah, I was pretty blown away with the type of questions. And, hopefully, it also brings in some newer listeners who are maybe newer to Bitcoin and cryptocurrency and FreedomTech  

[00:07:35] Unknown:

that they feel like, okay. These are some people that I can ask and get involved and, I guess, lead them down the right path rather than some of the more finance   y and stuff to actually use this stuff and not be afraid to try it. So very excited. Very much looking forward to   next Friday. Although,   one   show in   and already I was gonna wait for this. The workload is obviously too much for you. Like, oh, I need a break. Yeah. I've I've done one day of work. That's too much. One hour of work. That's too much for me now. I took all the glory for the inaugural show, and I'm just like, you know what? You boys can handle it next Friday.   Yeah.  



[00:08:13] Unknown:

It occurred to me   after last Friday being our our very first show and it being a weekly show that I actually can't make the second one because I'm going on yet another fucking stag do.   This time in,   Magaluf in Spain. Oh, quality. Just so many mates. Yeah. Too many mates getting married is the problem. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm heading out there on Friday to drink lots of beer with the boys and will be absent from Freedom Tech Friday number two. Mhmm. So it remains to be seen who's gonna host and run all the OBS stuff. That's a problem that you and I have gotta fix this week. I'm happy to give you some, scheduling  

[00:08:49] Unknown:

if Jordan's unable to make it and take the reins. I have a feeling he is gonna be unable because I know his workload is pretty crazy.   I'll rise to the challenge, but just know   that,   it's gonna be potentially an issue. So we'll see how the live   show next Friday goes. And join regardless because at least worst case if I fuck it up, you can yell abuse at me live. I'll see if I can slip away from the boys for a little bit just to join the show and troll you in the comments. You'll be absolutely   battered. Was it you last time where you're like, oh, yeah. I was like, oh, how did the stack go? Yeah. Yeah. Pretty good. Like, one bloke got their jaw broken. Someone got Yeah. That was me. I was like, oh, that sounds sounds great.  

[00:09:32] Unknown:

In fairness, he he's one of them lads that probably had it coming for quite a number of years. Yeah. Seth, come on. You need to watch your neck in, mate.  

[00:09:39] Unknown:

Oh, he's so mouthy. Seth's like the least punctual person I know. The least punctual. I thought you said least punctual.   I was like, he's always on time. No. Punchable.  

[00:09:49] Unknown:

Yeah. No. I wouldn't wanna punch Seth. He's too nice. Oh, speaking of Seth, while we're on the subject as well, and very timely because you've just released a very funny tweet with a lovely little video attached to it. I, just finished listening to Monero monthly this morning while I was at the gym   and, was chuckling at you guys reliving my dressing down of their prior UI, should we put it politely? Yeah.  

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I would call it abuse.  

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I did find that very funny, and the video that followed was very funny. So check out the was it on your feed, or is it is it on the ungovernable feed? I forget. On the ungovernable misfits. Oh, we'll maybe put a link in the notes so you can abuse them as well. Yeah. Let's do that. For a bit of context, people don't know what we're talking about. I believe it's probably a Bitcoin brief many months ago where   I've somehow we got onto the subject of k Wallet probably because it has a the software release during that week.   And, I decided to give them a dressing down over their default   user   interface choices.  

I won't spoil and give you all the details. Let's just say I expressed my displeasure. And I'm very, very happy to say that in the one of their most recent I don't know whether it was the most recent update, but they absolutely knocked it out the park, and it's a beautiful, beautiful app to be inside of nowadays.  

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Bullying works, mate. Sometimes you have to do a bit of bullying, and then people go, oh, fuck. Okay. We need to change. Apparently, that clip is played often by the team, so   it's made its mark. If they ever come in, they're like, oh, I don't know if I can be arsed. No. Just leave things as they are. Put that on, and they go, no. We can't because Q is gonna abuse us again. So well done. I'm probably, like, public enemy number one for the design team at Cake.   Yeah. Probably.  

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But they've done a great job. It looks wonderful now. I'm a big fan of the darker, like, deep blue theme they've got. I think it works really well with some mild gradients, and they've also got a light mode for the psychopaths. I think Seth also said that they're bringing back some of the more optional themes. Am I right? Yeah. Like the Monero y type, you know, the orange on black kind of thing. I quite like that one, actually. That is quite nice. I think they are gonna come back. They've done away with the pinks and the purples and all that kind of stuff. Music to my ears, to my eyes more specifically.   Couple of other bits of AOB, if you're listening to this, it's probably too late, but I wanted to raise awareness once again that the Bitcoin Beach Retreat is on this weekend in The UK. Ah, this weekend. Once again, very jealous that I can't make it out there because it's not a million miles away from me. It's within driving distance at least. But, unfortunately, as I said, I did Magaloo for a stag do, so I can't make it out there to North Wales to sit on the beach and drink beers with Bitcoiners because there's always a good crowd that heads out to that one. There is. Yeah. I have to say, I think that was my first ever  

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experience   meeting other people in the Bitcoin world. In fact, it was the first experience. I'd gone to, like, one   horrible   fucking shit fest event in London previously, like, in maybe early twenty eighteen, and it was disgusting. It was like a crypto event. Absolutely horrible. Yeah. I went to the Petri Tree, and it was, like, in the depths of COVID.   No one was allowed to be out. Everyone was supposed to be masked and all that kind of stuff. And just like a group of proper ungovernables   turned up. Small group. It must have only been sort of   15 people, 10 people, something like that. And I think it was the first time I met Ben Gunn. First time meeting Dragon, who puts the event on. Absolute legend.  

Really, really lovely guy. Openoms, I think.   Who else? Self Banked. A good bunch to say the least. Just a, yeah, incredible group of people, and I know it's grown a lot since then. So I think you're probably more like a 100 or a 150 people, I'd imagine. But amazing setting,   absolutely beautiful, great proper group of people who aren't just there, shilling numbers. They really care about this stuff and barbecues,  

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and it's just incredible. I would say, like, if you're in The UK, you really, really shouldn't miss that one. Yeah. Absolutely. Hope it all goes down without a hitch in the weather holes for you guys because it's been a bit hit and miss over here at the moment.  

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Yeah. Good luck.  

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Yep. Absolutely.   Final bit of AOB. Just a quick update. We posted a prime slash core shipping update late last week. Give you the quick TLDR so you don't have to click the link in the show notes if you don't want to. Passport Prime, we've now got all the mechanical components and packaging materials at the factory in The US. We've got a date for assembly scheduled to begin July 17, which is ten days away.   And device provisioning is set for July 24 shipping following   the week after. So   once again, within touching distance, just ironing out, you know, some of the final hurdles have meant that we've kind of lost our slots in the the factory space floor space, should I say. So we're we tried to bring things forward as quickly as we can, but clearly, we can't just kick other people off the factory floor as well. So, yeah, end of the month should be shipping. Passport Core,   remanufactured   internal parts. We mentioned in the previous update are also now at the factory.  

We've already built all of the PCB assemblies, which means that we are now ready to move ahead with full unit assembly   this week. Nice.   Packaging is also scheduled to arrive. That's the the remaining piece for Passport Core. That's due to arrive seven days from today, July 14, by which time all of the units will already be ready to ship. They're just thrown in a we're not gonna throw them in a box. We need to put them in a box. Carefully place them in a box. Exactly. With a kiss. Yeah.   Yeah. Yes.   So Passport Core all being well. If the packaging arrives week to day, we will be shipping the very same day. So within touching distance now, appreciate some people are getting frustrated for multiple extended   extended timelines, but, unfortunately, that's just the way it goes with global supply chain sometimes in building elegant hardware. So we appreciate everybody's patience, and we are light is very much at the end of the tunnel now. Has SPA got in contact with you about the winner of Freedom Tech Friday  

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first episode  

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prize? He hasn't yet. No. I've I've been waiting for that DM on, and I've not seen it come through yet. So perhaps he just hasn't got around to listening to the live stream yet. Okay. Well, if you're listening, mate, make sure to claim that. What an incredible prize. Thank you to Foundation for putting that prize up for the first episode.   Yeah. Absolutely.   Well, before we hit the list, I just wanted your thoughts on the latest thing   in the Bitcoin   craziness world.   Oh, yeah. I probably already know what you're gonna say here, but I'm keen to hear it from the horse's mouth here because   it seems like every man and his dog has forgotten that BTC   is unsentrable   digital cash designed for you to transact freely outside of the realms of trusted third parties.  

And I've shifted focus to buying penny stocks of   companies that now have Bitcoin treasuries.   What's your take? Have you jumped on the bandwagon? Is this an attack on Bitcoin? What's the risks? Should people ape into the next micro strategy?  

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Definitely not micro strategy. I think when you're choosing one of these companies, you have to do your research.   We've not been happy with what we've seen out there. There's been, I think, too much risk   when raising debt.   When you're buying into one of these things, it has to be a profitable   company. That's why Ungovernable   are gonna be having the ticker   UNGV,   and you're gonna be able to buy stock at the end of this month. We are going public. We suggest that you APN with all of your savings,   sell all of your actual corn. Yeah. Sell all that Bitcoin and buy the stock. Yeah. Ticket you and GV.   Okay. And which stock exchange is that gonna be listed on? None of them because I'm talking shit, and we would never do that. No. Obviously not.  

To be honest, I don't know. I think there's a part of me that's like, it feels like there's gonna be a problem here. It feels like this could be the next bubbly   problem.   Mhmm. Yeah. But I'm not gonna, like, go out of my wheelhouse and pretend that I understand the inner workings of this stuff. I just don't.   I used to be a lot more into the finance side, and I probably would have dug into this a lot more and cared, but I've kinda taken the view. It's like, well, it's not me. I just hold my Bitcoin, and that's what I do. And nothing's gonna convince me otherwise,   even if somehow it's gonna give me some leverage or whatever. If I wanted leverage, I'd just fucking leverage myself. I think it's just not for me, so I don't care enough to understand it. Mhmm. So I'm not gonna shit on it any more than that because some of these companies might know what they're doing. They might be alright. But it just seems like at the end of the day, they're raising debt to buy   more Bitcoin. And my understanding is once then the value goes up, if the value goes up, they then   create more shares.  

And then there's this whole stuff about sets per share or, you know, it's like Yeah.   I don't know. I I think if you want leverage,   you should probably   consider doing it yourself and still holding your keys because I don't know what happens if, you know, what if things go wrong   and these companies are massively leveraged even though they probably get favorable rates,   then what? Like, they've still got to pay to borrow the money   and then suddenly the value of the Bitcoin   goes down 80%   and then suddenly they've got to liquidate a load, are you then in a worse position than you would have been if you just held? I'm not smart enough to know. That's a question for, like, fundamentals or one of these, like, proper mathsy guys. Yeah. To dig into. So if you're listening, mate, maybe you can, send us a message and let us know your thoughts, but I don't know. It's just not for me. What about you? You, stacking MSTR?  

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Absolutely not. No. I mean, I pretty much echo everything that you've just said. Right? I don't pretend to understand, like,   m now days to cover and all of this buzzword jargon shit that you're seeing floated around when people are comparing all of these different what are essentially MSTR   copycats. Right? Yeah. I only have two main beliefs, and that is this play of, oh, we hold Bitcoin, and we're gonna purchase more. So buy our stock and the price goes up.   That is almost certainly gonna fall prey to the law of diminishing returns where it it works   for, like, the first however many people or companies that do it, and then people are just gonna be like, well, I've already allocated to whichever company it is. What makes you any different? I'm just not gonna buy your stock or something like that. Mhmm. I think like any hype bubble, I guess, it's, you know, the gains, quote, unquote, are there to be had if you're there at the right time. Is it a game that I wanna get involved in long term? No. Absolutely not. I'm just gonna stacks out and just hold them in self custody.  

However, the only caveat that I can see and the allure   potentially is   having Bitcoin exposure   in   a tax advantaged   account.   If   you already have enough Bitcoin in self custody and you're comfortable with that process,   I can see the allure of having some pension exposure to a company who has a Bitcoin strategy or maybe not even a pension. But, you know, I'm looking at this through a UK lens, but we have things in The UK called ISA accounts, basically, which you can invest up to currently, invest up to, like, £20,000   a year. Yeah. Yeah. And any gains that you make, you can do investments through that account. Any gains that you make are completely   tax free.  

Mhmm. So I can understand why people would wanna do that because currently, if you buy Bitcoin   on a KYC exchange and you sell it two years later and you've made a 100%,   you've gotta give Kia Starman his cronies, like, 25%   of that when you sell it of your gains, like, to be clear. Yes. Disgusting. Now if you could and, again, it's a big if, but if you make those same sorts of gains and you've done it through a tax advantage account,   then that would feel very good selling that and giving Kierstarm a fuck all. Yeah. So just to cap it off, there's a whole load of risk within that. You're not buying the asset. You're buying a leveraged company who's also buying the asset. So it's I don't wanna look at this as if it's just like, oh, it's a tax advantage account. Win, win, win. Because it's like there's so many trade offs to it  

[00:21:54] Unknown:

and mainly why I'm just I don't really wanna touch it. Yeah. I literally was in that position the other day because   my mom very kindly   said for one of my kids, oh, I've put some money aside, and we're gonna put it into an ISA for them. We need you to sign up   for fucking Vanguard or one of the I can't remember which one it was we went with, one of them.   And I was like, I really appreciate it, but can we just in fact, I asked my missus because my family just don't wanna deal with me. It looked too annoying. So I was like, can you just   fucking can you just say to them, can we just buy Bitcoin? And so, anyway, they were like, no. You gotta do the ISA because, you know, it's the stuff and they're, like, all this fucking jargon around why it was a good idea. And I was like, but it's dumb. Just buy Bitcoin. And then, anyway, they were like, no. It's gotta be in the ISA because whatever.  

Some fairy tale reason.   So I was like, okay. So we got a thousand quid in there. And I was like, alright. So I was like, can you just fucking just see if you can buy Bitcoin on there? She's like, you can't buy Bitcoin on there. I'm like,   fine. Just buy fucking MSTR then. And she's like,   looking around, she's like, you can't buy MSTR on here. I was like, okay. Just leave it in there as cash then. I don't fucking know. I have no idea what to do with the stock market or anything like that. So in that particular   situation,   if that platform or whatever you would call it would have allowed us,   I would have just said go and buy MSTR,   but we couldn't even do that. So I I, you know, for some   things, I would rather have MSTR   and some exposure to Bitcoin   than   FTSE or whatever.  



[00:23:28] Unknown:

Yeah. Like, if there's no other avenues to buy native Bitcoin, you still want Bitcoin exposure, then, yeah, I agree. I I see why people will potentially do that. But when it comes to the point of selling actual SATs to buy shares in a company who are buying SATs, I'm just like, that is next level   ridiculousness.  

[00:23:46] Unknown:

Yeah. It seems really silly to me, but we could be totally wrong. And I know loads of people who bought MSTR and did really well out of it. So you can't scoff at it. And maybe some of these people do know what they're doing. I think you have to accept. I accept. I don't fucking know. And I'm happy enough with what Bitcoin does anyway. It's not like,   oh, you know, it's like a safe investment. At least you own it. You know, you do, like, an average of two or 3% a year. It does pretty fucking well.   If you hold it for a decent amount of time, you're not, like, going, oh, yeah. It's a bit slow. Like, this thing's fucking amazing. I don't think you need to, like, turbocharge it and add risk onto it. Just fucking hold it.   Shut up. Yeah. Absolutely.  



[00:24:28] Unknown:

Just before we jump across to the news and releases,   you know, we were talking about k quality and their theme. Yes.   Their designer was on whether it's one of their designers bought goes by j a I m three. He's just commented underneath   the, video we were talking about earlier. And so we've heard the feedback loud and clear, and we're bringing back our most beloved theme, shipping exclusively on Passport Prime.   Very good.  

[00:24:55] Unknown:

Shout out, j a I m three. Thank you for taking our advice. It all looks lovely now. Very funny. What come say? What absolute come say? They sponsor the show,   and then we shit on them from a great height. How rude. Well, the app's better for it now. Exactly. Exactly. Oh, before we jump into the list, I just wanted to say a big thank you to MyNimBox,   who is a new sponsor of the show. Oh. I'm quite excited about this one because, you know, we talk about this stuff a lot. It's like,   how do you find   companies   that can sponsor a show that cares about freedom?  

It's really, really hard because the majority of them have   huge, huge flaws. And my inbox   fits in perfectly.   Awesome to hear. Wasn't aware of that one. Very cool. Yeah. Only just joined. We're moving all of our stuff over. So hosting of nodes,   hosting of BTCPay,   lightning stuff,   domain stuff, all of that. And, for anyone who hasn't checked them out, go and have a look. But,   for all of your hosting needs, you can do it completely anonymously. You can pay with Bitcoin. You can pay with Monero.   They ask for absolutely   zero personal details.  

No information   whatsoever.  

[00:26:16] Unknown:

Awesome. Sounds like a great addition to, the ungovernable crew. I think so. Onto the list. Alright. First on the list, new product   from our friends over at Ledger. The Ledger Recovery Key. Pin protected   physical card enabling storage and recovery of your 24 words with just a few taps. So this is, for all intents and purposes. Somebody internally at Foundation dubbed this a hardware wallet for your hardware wallet.  

[00:26:43] Unknown:

Okay.  

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Well, Ledger Recovery Key is a private encrypted PIN protected spare key to access your assets.   It uses a secure element and a secure NFC communication with a LedgerFlex or a LedgerStax   to back up and restore your 24 words in just a few taps. So it uses hardware wallet architecture   to back up your hardware wallet, which, I don't know, just seems a bit strange to me. Like, most people when you're backing up a seed, you want it in a different medium that generally isn't digital   or doesn't require you to remember anything else. And what I mean by that is you stamp your plain text seed words into a piece of metal,   or you tap an NFC card or a multitude of NFC cards Mhmm. Such that, again, you don't need to remember anything else other than where those cards are. This one, it just seems like a strange   place to fit within their product lineup. It just seems like a copy of what they've already got, but, like, without a screen sort of thing. It just seems very strange. There's no details on cost or anything like that yet, but it's essentially just a PIN protected NFC card   that you put your 12 words or 24 words on. It's fully digital. It has a secure element, and it's basically just like a a Java card PIN on it.  



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It's basically then doing what a backup onto a micro SD  

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would be doing. I don't know. It doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, to be honest. I don't know why you would Yeah. They haven't released the pricing or anything like that yet. But if I was a betting man, it's probably gonna be looking at the kind of physical shape of it, it's probably gonna be at least, like, I don't know, $30 maybe, something like that looking at it. So, again, it just doesn't seem like a cheap way to multiply your backups or anything like that. I don't know. It just seems strange.   And also wanted to call them out where they're calling it open source, and it clearly isn't. I called out the guy on Twitter for it being source viewable.  



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That's the first time we've had someone do that sort of dishonesty. I don't like to see that. It is.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   Gross. So we'll see when it comes out how much they're gonna charge for it, but, you know, I'm probably gonna guess it's, like, gonna be in the $30 range, which I don't know. Just when you compare it to the other forms of backup and the trade offs that you have with it, you know, it's it's digital at the end of the day. It's gonna be a bit of a strange   position within their lineup, but who knows? Maybe I'm just completely missing the mark. We'll see. Sticking on the Ledger subject,   they announced last week that they are going to discontinue   all form of firmware updates for their Ledger Nano s, which I believe   they stopped selling in 02/2022.  

So if you have a Ledger Nano s now, you know, as time goes on, you're gonna become more and more vulnerable because there are no further   updates or improvements to that firmware. Mhmm. So they kind of depending on how you look at it, in my opinion, kind of strong arming a large proportion of their user base   to force them to upgrade. And some of these customers, if they bought in 2022, like, they've only had that device three years, and they're now, like, just being left high and dry   in terms of no more support.   So if something goes wrong, it's like there's no patches or or anything. You have to just buy a new device, which is a bit disappointing,   if I'm being honest.  



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Yeah. It has been around for fucking ages, though. And I I would like to think that anyone who's   relatively serious about this stuff   would probably   strongly consider not using that device anyway. But there will be people out there because it's still, like, the multi currency   one. Like, it still supports more of these coins and stuff than pretty much anyone else, I think. So there might be some of those people who are like, what the fuck do I do now then?  

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Yeah. Absolutely. Zach from the foundation had a a quite a long tweet about the reasons that he thinks for this. I'm not gonna go through it now because it'll take us for the rest of the show, but it will be linked in the show notes. But Mhmm. He's got some great points that he thinks that they're doing it because it's kind of like, basically, they wanna push users to upgrade to their newer devices. A good call at money grab. Mhmm. I I don't know whether I'd go that far, but it's just seems kind of a shame for those users that have only had their devices for three years that they're now forced to just buy a new device.  

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Yeah. But it's it's not shocking, and it's not the worst   thing that they've done or suggested.  

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It's you know what I mean? Like, if you're using Ledger and you're listening to this show and you're part of the Ungovernable Misfits crew, just stop it. Oh, and, also, I can mention this bit because I've just seen it at the bottom of Zach's tweet in a kind of cloaked way. But if you are a a legend on OS user and you're looking for an update, consider Passport Prime, and I'll quote Zach word for word so that I don't get myself into trouble. But we will soon be announcing an easy way for Ledger users to seamlessly switch the Passport Prime and maintain all functionality.   Stay tuned. Oh, okay.  

Yes. That's all I can say for now. But, if you do find yourself in that position and you wanna move away from a closed source device now no longer getting any updates, then, yeah, consider taking a look at Passport Prime. Nice. We might be making things very easy for you pretty soon. Very nice. I wanted to poke at you a little bit here to see if you have any Oh, yeah. On this one. I saw a tweet from our beloved   producer, Jordan,   that it's just a little screenshot on Twitter that shows Ashigaru terminal   in something that looks very much like a start nine   user interface.  



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Yep. Oh.   Yep. This was talked about literally I think it talks about it when we recorded that emergency   show, the emergency, like, Whirlpool is back show. And we were saying, oh, it would be nice to have it   in a start nine because then it can run   constantly. Whereas, like, if you've got it on your laptop, it's not gonna constantly be running with Whirlpool.   And I think he was like, oh, yeah. That could work because it's like a fork of Sparrow, I think, which  

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you have Sparrow on there. You can sort of hear the cogs turning, and he was like, yeah. I'll look into it. And I think I think they've got it working by the sounds of it. Interesting. So what will that mean? That will mean basically that once it's set up and you start a mix with the Ashigaru terminal that because your start line is a node that is Always on. And always on node,  

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that you're just constantly available for remixes essentially without having to do anything or leave any, you know, your normal computer open, logged in, running, yada yada yada. Yeah. That that's my understanding of it. You would get a lot more mixes in theory. You'd always be available. I like it also from, like, a privacy   aspect. Like, I don't really want a terminal running on my laptop if I'm sat in a coffee shop and I open the wrong window and someone sees it or, you know, just like having it open like that. I'd rather have it on a dedicated bit of hardware somewhere else.   So, yeah, really exciting. Someone would, in theory, just be able to install that onto their start nine, start a mix  

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really simply in that terminal. I almost don't wanna call it terminal. It's like it makes it sound scary, but it's actually so simple. And then you start the mix, and you just leave it, and you're done. Yeah. We need a new word for it because, technically, it is in the terminal, but it's like a terminal GUI, isn't it? Because when I first heard that Whirlpool was back and it was in the terminal, my first reaction was to just to scoff at it because as everybody knows, I despise being in the terminal. But, yeah, with this user interface, just up, down, space bar, like, it's   even group brains like Max and I can figure it out. It's true. And so do we have any timeline on when this will make it into the, presumably, the community version  

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of Start Line? I don't I I haven't spoken to Jordan in ages. He avoids my calls. He doesn't write back. He ignores my love letters.   I don't know what's going on with that guy. He's too busy for his own good. So as soon as I hear from him, I will find out, and I'll update people. But I just know he's working  

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on constantly many, many projects all the time, and, he'll be doing everything he can to make it easy for people. Man of many talents. Yeah. Cool. Next on the list, a bit of positive news coming out of The US for a change. The US Federal Housing Finance Agency has issued an order that to count Bitcoin and crypto as an asset for a mortgage.   So this is pretty promising for people who have a vast proportion of their wealth held in Bitcoin. Essentially, it just means that now it's recognized as   a form of wealth or capital or what's the word I'm looking for here? It would be considered against, like Collateral? As as one of your assets. Yeah. Collateral. Thank you. So that when you're trying to get a mortgage, you can lean on your Bitcoin holdings. So it seems like a pretty promising move. Whether it'll last throughout the next presidency, who knows? Most of these things   could easily be reversed.  

Seems to be a bit of a positive. However, I did see a tweet from Ben Kaufman of Bitcoin Keeper that was very quick to highlight that you have to actually   deposit the funds to a US regulated   centralized   exchange   for it to be considered.   Now   that is clearly not great.   No. But what is not clear to me yet is whether or not you can deposit them in there to prove that they're yours, so to speak. Mhmm. I appreciate that there's other ways to do that as well, by the way, before anybody out to me in the comments. Yeah. And then you get the mortgage, and then you can just withdraw them again. That's self custody once the mortgage is in place. Mhmm. If that is the case, then maybe that seems like it could be an okay trade off. There's less risk. Yeah. Wants to go through the KYC rails and use it as a mortgage and, you know, just use it to better their life, which is what Bitcoin is for at the end of the day. Yep. If that's the case, and I don't know whether it is, then that could be a worthwhile I wouldn't say worthwhile, but an acceptable trade off to some people.   However, if it's gotta sit there   for the duration of the mortgage, which for most people is most of their lives, then that is clearly not great because, well, you're giving up custody at the end of the day, and we all know the risks that come with that. This is gonna sound so dumb, and someone's gonna abuse me for this. But  

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I don't understand why you're having   collateral held   so that you can take out a mortgage   on a property   that is the collateral   in the loan. That's a good question. Unless you're doing, like, 0%   down payment on mortgages or something like that. Like,   historically, or or what I've seen is, like, you know, you put ten, twenty, 30%   down,   and then you're taking out a mortgage.   And then   if you don't pay your mortgage, they'll take your fucking house   because   that's the collateral.   That is the collateral. Right. Yeah. The asset that you're borrowing on is the collateral. So I don't understand what this is doing unless they're allowing you to do effectively, like, 0% down or 2% or 5% down or something  

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like that. I think this is prompted misunderstanding   from our UK brains as to how the mortgage systems might work in The US, potentially. Mhmm. But, yeah, I had a similar sort of question,   because like you say that usually the asset itself is the collateral.   The only thing I can think of maybe is if it's somebody with a shit credit rating.   If they've shown that you might have a shit credit rating for whatever reason, but you've got couple of Bitcoin, then   they know that you've got some wealth behind you and might be more willing to lend you x amount of dollars for thirty, forty years. I don't know. Or earnings. The other one is earnings. You know, it might be like, well, we'll lend  

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four times earnings or five times earnings.   And then someone's like, well, I work at McDonald's, but I've got a 150,000   Fartcoin,   so I can definitely afford this. Like, do you know what I mean? So it might be that. It might be like, okay. Well, you've got a million dollars worth of this asset, but you're earning $20,000   a year. So in a normal situation, we, yeah, we wouldn't lend. But because we have the house as collateral and we have the Fartcoin as collateral,  

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now we'll consider you. Yeah. Who knows? If you're American, hit us up in the comments. Tell us why we're wrong or what we don't understand.  

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Yeah. Let us know.  

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More potential   positive news and emphasis on the word potential here coming out of The US. Senator Lummis has introduced the new bill that enables   tax exempt Bitcoin spending.   Okay. So she has released or published a bill that allows citizens to spend up to a whopping $300   worth of Bitcoin on goods and services with a yearly cap of $5,000   without having to pay capital gains taxes on the transactions.   Now this has been met with understandable criticism on how stupidly low the limits are because you're quickly gonna burn through $5,000   if you wanna try and live on Bitcoin.  

Mhmm. But for me, at least a step in the right direction to try and fix the biggest problem, in my opinion, of kind of The spending. I don't wanna use the cliche term mass adoption, but the main reason that most people don't spend Bitcoin in the West, other than the fact that fiat currencies in the West are generally a bit stronger so people have less of an incentive to look elsewhere is   capital gains taxes. Yeah. So if we can remove that, even if it starts off at a lower limit in one of the biggest countries in the world, then it could remove a significant barrier to moving Bitcoin adoption   or spending habits to the next level. So  

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who knows whether it'll get passed, but it seems to be a step in the right direction, at least. Yeah. Definitely. I think it is probably the biggest reason why people don't spend because people are like, oh, yeah. We'll spend and replace.   And it's like, okay.   But it's still gonna cost you 25 percent more to buy your shopping if you do everything the way you're supposed to and blah blah blah. But why would you do that? It just doesn't make sense.   It would make sense to use the pounds or dollars and not have that risk. Even if someone's like, oh, I'm not gonna pay the taxes. It's like, okay. Well, you still have that risk that something   could come back and bite you, especially if people are using KYC exchanges and that kind of stuff. So if it's,   well, you can spend 5,000   and there's no capital gains, it's a hell of a lot better than nothing.  



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Yeah. Absolutely. Step in our direction. Let's hope it gets passed. Yeah. You know, as always, we have no idea whether that's the No. Gonna be the case or not. No. Finally, YouTube seems to have been on the warpath again. BTC sessions got a a bit of a ban. Oh, yeah. Saw that. Thankfully, it's now been reverted. But can't imagine what he was going through with those I think it was, like, thirty six hours or so that he got banned for, apparently, for no reason. I think he's been on YouTube for, he said, like, nine years. So it's basically his Bitcoin career was on there. Yeah. Now it would be easy to criticize and say, well, you kind of essentially had it coming because you've   put all your eggs into a centralized basket. Again, we all know what the risks with those are, but must have been tough for him to go through, and I'm glad that it's back now.  

But the reason I put it on the list is just to open a conversation around, like, with video and content, stuff like that, like, it's so difficult to do it in a way where   you can,   first and foremost,   reach the main tranche of your audience or potential audience, but also do that in a way where you can't get rug pulled overnight and have your life's work just disappear off the Internet. It's it's a difficult one. I'm sure it's probably something that's close to your heart, Max, because this type of thing is albeit it's not video, it is kind of your bread and butter, so to speak. Yeah. I mean, we've never really we have YouTube.  

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We've never managed to really get it off the ground. Listener base is good everywhere else. You know, everything else grows. But YouTube, I   I don't know what it is, but we struggle to get hardly any views or anything on YouTube YouTube no matter what we do, making little video clips, doing whatever.   So if YouTube went away for me personally tomorrow,   I wouldn't care at all. Like, it would make absolutely no fucking difference to me at all. But for someone like him, especially with video content, it's like, oh, you could just do it all on Nostra. It's like, yeah, maybe. And then, like, five people are gonna fucking watch it. If that's how he's making his living, there isn't anything that really competes with YouTube. And so, unfortunately, you have to kind of play that game to some extent. I don't know where else you would go. So, yeah, easy to criticize,   easy to say, oh, don't use a centralized thing that's known for censoring. It's like, okay. Well, what else do you do? Where else do you go? Yeah. Agreed. I actually got a bit of pushback on Nosta when we were pumping,  

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Freedom Tech Friday last week leading up to it. People were I say people. One person was a bit disgruntled that we were doing it.   Half of Nosta was really, really upset. One person. I forget whether it was Twitter or I think it was Twitter they were upset about that we were doing on, even though we were live streaming on Nosta as well. It's just such a difficult one. I mean, I I tried to see this person's viewpoint. I'm like, yeah. It would be great if we could do everything on decentralized social media and, you know, not feed the algorithms and the the big tech conglomerates and stuff like that. But if you want to make it in business or in media or something like that, then you've gotta meet your audience where they're at. And, unfortunately, at the moment, that just isn't it well, it is YouTube or Twitter, isn't it, essentially? They are the main event. Yeah. Exactly. And it's like, how are you gonna grow otherwise? Because you you know, you could have a show and say, well, I'm not yielding to any of this. I'm not using any social media. I'm not using any of these platforms.  

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Fuck them all. I'm going nostril only.   And you could do that, but you're not gonna get any sponsors.   Certainly not any that are gonna be happy because you're gonna have, like, five people interacting with you. And so you're not gonna be able to grow the show. You're not gonna be able to put out the same level and quality of content.   You're not gonna get so many people involved and grow a community around it, which is really valuable because it creates better shows.   So you lose out on this whole ecosystem,   but you can say to people,   oh, I didn't yield. And it's like,   okay. If that's what you want, that's fine. But it's all trade offs, and so I think there's, like, a middle ground. And someone like Ben, like, he makes incredible content. Like, it's really fucking useful for people, especially people who don't like reading through guides and aren't super technical. They can just go on to YouTube. They can click on, and he just walks them through and holds their hand. That has huge value. I think much more value than saying fuck you to YouTube.  



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Yeah. And the bit that perplexes me is it's not exactly controversial content, is it? It's not like he's Alex Jones, and he's talking about these files or anything like that. No.  

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No. It's like the least controversial  

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Bitcoin show I've ever seen, I think. Indeed. Anyway, glad he's back. Well, clearly, the underlying problem has not been fixed here, so we'll Yeah. Have to see how that unfolds.   Onto software updates.   Big one for Team Foundation. Envoy two point zero   is now available as a beta for public testing.   So two point o is is our big release that is gonna be shipping alongside   Passport Prime being in customer's hands just a couple of short weeks away. So to be clear, this is still a beta. So if you don't wanna find some bugs and have a bit of a headache of a time, potentially, then just wait for the main release for this one book. Envoy two point o, so many changes. Again, I could fill the rest of the show with it. But the headlines, we've obviously got a new onboarding flow that is streamlined and adds support for Passport Prime. We've also got Quantum Link Bluetooth in there for Passport Prime users.   We have   unified the Taproot and Segwit accounts now so that you don't have separate account cards if you, wanted to see Taproot addresses and Segwit addresses. It's all within one now. So it just cleans up that kind of home screen so that you don't have more accounts to look at than you need to when strictly speaking under the hood they are from the same wallet. So that was something I've been looking forward to as well. You can now export all of your wallet metadata in bit three two nine, which is the universal notes format that Craig from Spiro pioneered. So we are now abiding by that standard so that you can transfer or import your notes and tags one way or the other. We now also allow   manual users to switch to magic automatic encrypted cloud backups for their mobile wallet and vice versa. So if you started off with a magic wallet and you wanna progress to not having Apple store your encrypted mobile wallet seed, you wanna take it off there and do it manually, then you can switch your user status   and add or remove that relationship with your chosen cloud provider as well. We've got a new currency selector. We now support up to a 160   different fiat pairs. Previously, we only had about 20, so we're covering most of the world now. Oh, new Electrum back end options.  

So we   now, again, take a a little bit of a similar approach to Sparrow.   If you don't have your own node and you don't wanna use the default foundation node, which we default to for transaction relay and checking your balances, etcetera,   then we've now got a list of preselected   well established nodes just like Spiro does. So that again, if you wanna use Envoy, but you don't have your own node and you don't wanna trust Foundation with giving you your balances,   you can go and pick from I think we've got four or five well known ones. That's nice. I think they're identical to the ones that I found with Inspiro as well.   Finally,   we now have upgraded to Testnet four and also upgraded, excuse me, to Global Signet rather than Mutiny Net, which is being wound down pretty soon. And then there's like a million and one different tiny improvements and bug fixes, which you can go and read on our GitHub   if you so wish.  

So once again, it is in beta. The main release will be in a couple of weeks as soon as we start shipping Passport Prime.   So, yeah, excited about that one. The team have put one hell of a lot of work in. It's been a gargantuan effort from the dev side and from the QA side as well. So hats off to all involved. We're now under the hood using BDK two point o, which has kind of powered a lot of those improvements on the Envoy side as well. So once again, free and open source software is winning. And will continue to win. And to all you Ledger users, you know where to go.   The Zeus version zero point eleven point two beta one is now available for testing. In this build, they've got Zeus Pay plus subscriber,   exclusive web store,   extended message signing with on chain addresses.  

They've got Casu lock tokens to PUB key with optional timeouts.   For Casu custodial users, they've also got token animated QR codes. And then you can also set your tax rates if you use the Zeus point of sale system as well.   So lots of cool but incremental   improvements   there as well from team Zeus.   Some of that merch, by the way, have you seen this? It's very cool. I actually haven't seen it. Is it on their website?   It'll be linked in the the show notes, so you'll be able to see it now, Max. If you just click on that link, it will take you to a the tweet announcing the beta and just scroll down. It's like in the third tweet. Let me have a look. They got some, like, cool little tie dye t shirts with the Zeus logo on and some hats, some beanie hats. Pretty cool. I like it. It just takes me to a tweet. That's all it does. Yep. Scroll down. Can't. I'll go on that Twitter, shall I?   Yeah. Do that. While you're doing that, I'll move on with the list.  

I think we might have spoken about this one briefly   on Friday, but,   Wallet of Satoshi is coming back to The US with a, air quotes,   fully self custodial   lightning wallet   powered by   Spark. Did we speak about this on Friday, or am I imagining it? I feel like we did.  

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I think I snuck off for a quick piss when we were going through it, though. So   nobody knew.  

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I think Seth was going through the details. But, basically, they are the reason that I said,   quote, unquote, fully self custodial is that the way in which they're achieving this is by using Spark, which is a state chain built by David Marcus   LightSpark.   Mhmm. Basically, it's a state chain where they've ripped out some of the privacy. And the way in which they, achieve the scaling is that the state chain is basically passing private keys around in a semi trusted   way. Basically, what it boils down to is if the Spark operator that's powering this is malicious,   then they can't steal your funds,   which means that you've got to be actively targeted.  

But it does very much blur and cast doubt on the quotes of fully self custodial.   I don't know where I fully land on this at the moment. I understand why they're saying it's self custodial because by rights, Spark isn't kind of holding private keys   for users in the traditional   sense of the word. But there is scenarios   where if they are malicious that they can steal funds.   So I'm leaning towards   it's a bit disingenuous   to call this fully self custodial, but is it better than the old Wallet of Satoshi where they just had unilateral control and they could rug you whenever they wanted?   Yes, of course, it's a step in the right direction. So I'm gonna withhold   my full judgment on this until I fully understand the inner workings of Spark. But based on conversations with Seth that we had on Friday,   I am leaning towards the fact that we probably shouldn't be calling this full self custodial because there is a risk here that you can still get rogue, albeit it is diminished   compared to Yeah. The way in which Wallace and Associates used to work, which is   traditional custody where we hold your keys and you have a database entry. Yep. Agreed. KWallet release version   5.1   o. The reason I brought this one in is they now have native Tor integration,   which is very cool. Finally. Yeah. I believe correct me if I'm wrong because Seth might have mentioned this on the Monero show. I don't know when you recorded it, though. It's only on Android. Is that right? Oh, actually, I didn't know that. Maybe  

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he did say it, and I didn't listen properly.   Is it? Only on why is that then? IOS is great at killing background  

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processes, isn't it? But don't you manage it? We do. Yes. Oh, here we go. Yeah. Android only for now. The initial implementation is available exclusively on Android devices with iOS still in development.  

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How do you manage it?  

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This is way above my technical head.   We have a I think we built our own tool library that interacts with Flutter, which is like a a common framework for building mobile apps. I'm not sure whether Cake Wallet uses Flutter or not, so maybe they can't leverage that and they've had to do their own implementation,   one for Android and one for iOS. If that is the case, then clearly they probably do it twice. And if the Android one's ready, then why not release it while they're working on the iOS one? Because if I was a betting man, I'd say most cake users are probably gonna be Android because it's a bit more of a privacy focused wallet. So great to see, and hopefully they pull it off on iOS as well. Alright. Last two things on the list. Robosats version zero point seven point nine is now out. Orders can now be created   with a password. These orders won't appear in the public orders view and can be taken only if the robot inputs the same password. So I think this could be pretty useful. Like, let's say you've built up a bit of a rapport with particular seller, and they might be a minor or something like that, and you wanted to purchase more frequently from them because, you know, you've built up a little bit of trust. But you still wanna do that from within the kind of escrow ecosystem so that you still got some assurances that just because you've done three trades with this person that you are now comfortable just sending them a bank transfer and hoping that they send you the sats.  

If you've got that rapport but you still want the assurances that the escrow system within Robosats offers,   then the seller could create an offer that's password protected and then send it to you and say, here's the offer, enter the password, and then you'll be able to see the order and you can go through the usual trade flow. So that's very cool in my opinion. You know, would be useful, like I say, if you've built up a bit of a rapport with somebody, you know that you're gonna buy off them x amount of times per month or something like that, and you didn't   want or the seller didn't wanna have to put a public order up and risk the wrong person taking the order. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Orders can now be fetched by URL in book view. There is a new coordinator available called FreedomSats.  

And get this, peach Bitcoin orders are now also available   to view in the global orders book.  

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Oh, very nice.  

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Yeah. I like that. And then finally, there's a chat fix for the start nine slash Umbrel implementation of Robosats front end as well. I've said it a million times. Robosats is one of the most important   open source projects in the entire Bitcoin ecosystem.   If you haven't tried it yet, I urge you, you know, the next time you wanna buy a small amount of sats, go and give it a whirl because it's fucking wonderful if you ask me. I feel kind of ashamed to say I've never tried it. Oh my god. We've talked about it obviously for years,  

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years and years. Yeah. I've never try I just like I'm never in a position where I can buy   anyway. And then when I do sell,   it's always like cash   or gift cards.   Because I already have a group slash network of people who wanna buy or, you know, whatever, and I'm never buying. So it's just I haven't got the actual need to use it personally. Fair enough. That makes sense.   But I feel like I really should have because it's such an important project, and it's so fucking useful for people.   And when we'd like, oh, don't buy KYC, and, you know, we'd like, tell people how stupid that is to do   without projects like   Robosats out there,   people can't really. It makes it very, very difficult. I mean, there are other projects, but Robosat seems to be the one where it's kind of like the least flawed, I would say. Yeah. It's excellent. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. It's exclusively on the Lightning Network. Yeah.  



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So is it gonna be anywhere near as easy as going and smash buying on Kin Swan Bitcoin? No. Of course not. But if you want privacy   and you wanna buy smaller amounts with the assurances of the escrow system, etcetera,   it's a wonderful place to get started. Mhmm. There's a guide on my website if you wanna see what our trade looks like. It's a very important piece of software for the ecosystem and for people's privacy and to get onboarded. I'm a huge, huge fan, and I just can't spell out enough how important it is for the space because I think there is gonna come a time where on ramps either start being more discriminating   against people or they just start to close down or they're gonna want more and more information off people. The importance of something like Robosats is only gonna grow in my opinion. Alright. Finally, speaking of important projects to the Bitcoin ecosystem,   BTC pay server version two point one point six is now out and available.  

Couple of new features. First one with the wallet, you now got the ability to browse the addresses generated through the receive tab. Secondly, you're now allowed to update payment requests as settled. So you can do that manually if maybe you've decided that you wanna do cash in person, a conference or something like that, but previously, you couldn't go in and mark that as settled, and that's something I heard   hit up against before now at Foundation. So, yeah, very happy to hear that one. And then they've got a number of bug fixes as well, mainly to do with PSBT signing   and emails as well. So once again, very, very important project. Thankful that it exists,   and it's something that I use every day. Right. Shall we hit the boosts?  



[00:57:36] Unknown:

Let's do it. Okay.  

[00:57:38] Unknown:

First boost comes from HugeJizzy   Loads.   35,000   sats. And they just had free samurai. Great message. Thank you. Great message. Great boost. Thank you, huge jizzy loads.  

[00:57:51] Unknown:

I think that might be Karen because that's what he was on about with his ZMA recommendations.   I figured it might be somebody Yeah. That's that's who I reckon is behind that one. Huge, jizzy loads.   Late stage huddle with 10,000   sats.   Did I really forget to boost the last episode?   I'm such a dick dot dot   dot hashtag   free samurai.   You are not a dick. You are the furthest thing from it. Definitely not. Yeah. We love you. Thank you for the 10,000 stats and your boost and, yeah, free samurai.  

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Eight Mythron Deere with 7,777   sats   also said hashtag free samurai.  

[00:58:32] Unknown:

What a great group of people we have.   Yes. Listen to this sort of message that we've got here. Things that actually matter. Indeed.   Snick   Toshi, 4,200   sats with no comment.   G s with a thousand sats, no comment.   Silas   Thornbrook,   500 sats.   Thank you both.   Let's fucking go.  

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We are back. Turkey with 500 SATs left no comment. Poopsicle with 500 SATs asks, were you ever really gone?   Well, we weren't, but Whirlpool was.  

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Yes.  

[00:59:08] Unknown:

Pies.  

[00:59:09] Unknown:

420.  

[00:59:13] Unknown:

Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you, Pies. Time,tym,@fountain.fm,   250   sats.   Abel, a I b l e, 200 sats.   Switching to Envoy slash Passport from the Trezor ecosystem helps me sleep at night. I know this sounds like hyperbole, but the air gap signing makes it much more secure, plus it's way more fun to use.   Well, I completely and wholeheartedly  

[00:59:38] Unknown:

agree. Nice to hear that you're a passport user, Abel. Yeah. Thank you. And a I b l e, I really hope you used my code, my own governable code so that, Q knows that I'm shilling. Because sometimes he has a little bit of a gurt me for not shilling hard enough. He can be quite rude, quite abusive. So I hope you did use it, and I'm glad to hear you're enjoying it. And Pies  

[01:00:00] Unknown:

Hey. How you doing? With a 100 sets  

[01:00:03] Unknown:

just for reminiscing   throwback. Here we go. I   almost missed this one because it was at the bottom of my screen. I couldn't quite see it, and then I just   scrolled down. I wish I hadn't.   Just for reminiscing,   throwback,   dot dot dot dot dot.   America   equals gold.   The UK   equals shit.   I don't think he's wrong, though. I will give him that. Maybe it's just because I've left where I can really lean into this and accept it. I do think America is a better country.   I think they're better. I think that they are fatter.   That sort of almost goes without saying they are fatter and more disgusting, and their jokes and their banter are quite poor, But they are more free.  

They do have more cool shit, and I think it's a better country.  

[01:00:52] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean,   hard to disagree. I mean, guns,   jurisdictional arbitrage is much easier. And for that alone, I think, yeah, they they probably did. But, mom, we taught them everything they knew, mate. Don't let them take all their glory. We'd they'd be fucked all of us. That's true. We'd be fuck later.   Yeah. Exactly. Hope you had a nice fourth of July, by the way, Americans.   Oh, yeah. Yeah. We already recorded on the July 4, didn't we? We did. We did. We, we got Seth, the resident yank,   on to work on a public holiday.  

[01:01:22] Unknown:

Yeah. That was good of him. Well, it was a good time to launch it as well. Launching   Freedom Tech Friday on the July 4 is kind of fitting, isn't it? It's almost poetic.   It is. Yeah.  

[01:01:34] Unknown:

Anything else to cover? I think we sort of covered everything, didn't we? I think we're good. I think we fit the list. Yeah. And I will   speak to you next. Well, it'll be a week on Friday. I hope please don't fuck up FreedomTech Friday this week too much. Listeners,   if   it's shit, then it's not my fault. Well, it is your fault. And normal service will be resumed the following Friday.  

[01:01:56] Unknown:

Okay. Alright.   Alright, mate. I'll speak to you, well, I'll speak to you before then anyway because you need to teach me how to,  

[01:02:03] Unknown:

do all of this stuff before Friday. Yeah. Let's schedule a time in for that one. I might think we might need a full day.  

[01:02:10] Unknown:

Alright, mate. I'll speak to you later. See you, dude. Bye.  

[01:02:14] Unknown:

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