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• Winter is here
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• 10101 winding down
• Nayuta wallet shutting down
• Alby hub tutorial by BTC sessions
• Tor project responds to reports of deanonymization
  
  

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• Ashigaru wallet has been released
• Robosats v0.7.0-alpha
• Live wallet 0.7
• Passport v2.3.2 now out of beta
• LNnbits v0.12.11
• BlueWallet v7.0.4 
• Dana Wallet Released
• Keeper desktop released
• Sparrow Wallet 2.0
  
  

 
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(00:00:00) INTRO

(00:01:02) THANK YOU FOUNDATION

(00:02:05) "Sounding Like A Weasel"

(00:06:21) The Call Out

(00:10:01) Chain Analysis Monero Video

(00:15:54) #FREESAMOURAI Update

(00:21:50) 10101 Finances Closes Down Shop

(00:22:32) Nayuta Gives Up On the Custodial Lightning Network

(00:23:09) Alby Hub Tutorial By BTC Sessions

(00:25:00) Nothing Burger Tor Report

(00:25:54) BOOSTS

(00:31:43) ASHIGARU

(00:38:19) Robosats Releases v0.7.0-alpha

(00:43:06) New Live Wallet 0.7.0

(00:43:56) Passport 2.3.2 Out Of Beta

(00:44:57) Big Fixes Release from LNBits

(00:47:08) LN to Liquid to Onchain to XMR Swap to Liquid....

(00:55:51) Blue Wallet Unleashed

(00:57:46) Dana Wallet for Silent Payments

(00:58:59) Keeper Desktop Adds Cross Platform Support

(00:59:34) Sparrow Reaches Milestone with Version 2

(01:01:54) Storing Nostr Keys on a Passport

(01:05:53) No Copping Out!

(01:10:18) What's the Deal with BitcoinOS?

(01:13:42) MORE BOOSTS

(01:17:35) Monerotes or WHISSSSPERS?

(01:23:10) See You Later & #FREESAMOURAI

[00:00:04] Unknown:

Bitcoin   is close to becoming worthless.  

[00:00:11] Unknown:

Bitcoin.   Now what's the Bitcoin?  

[00:00:19] Unknown:

Bitcoin's like rat poison.   Yeah.   Oh. The greatest scam in history.   Let's get it.  

[00:00:27] Unknown:

Bitcoin will go to fucking   0.   Welcome back to The Bitcoin Brief. I'm gonna keep this brief because Jordan and mister Crown are on my case   working as fast as I can here, but editing out this robot,   this robot on this episode.   You won't hear most of it. You'll hear some of it. But fuck me. Is he annoying?   I just wanted to say a massive thank you to everyone who's been supporting Ungovernable   Misfits   and a big thank you to Foundation Devices   for supporting the show. If you haven't already checked them out, go to foundation.xyzed.   They make the best hardware in the space.  

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[00:02:06] Unknown:

Howdy.  

[00:02:07] Unknown:

How are we getting on? Better than you, mate. You sound fucked.  

[00:02:10] Unknown:

Yes. I have been very much not a 100% for the past   it's been sticking around actually. It's like almost a week now since   last Wednesday just been, full of cold and sounding   just generally like a bit of a weasel. So two apologies to make at the at the outset of the show. Number 1, to you for the editing to have to get rid of all my sniffles and coughs and mouse clicks when I have to mute off to go and cough my guts up.   And number 2, to the listeners for sounding again just like a bit of a weasel. Hopefully, normal service will be resumed in 2 weeks' time when bought off,   whatever it is this is, and, I'm feeling 100% again. Quite nasally. Are you training, or are you sort of just covered up with a limp set? I haven't touched a a weight or gone for a run-in,   well, since last Tuesday.  



[00:03:01] Unknown:

Oh, I was gonna say you were sounding small.  

[00:03:05] Unknown:

Yeah.   And and do you know what? Like, I I I hate not being able to, like, train and exercise because it's, like, one of my   like, how I de stress, how I kind of step away from, you know, the relentless onslaught of nonstop notifications and work stuff. Yeah. It's just nice to have a quick hour to yourself where you just put some tunes on and decompress a little bit. And to not have that, I can definitely tell kind of,   without getting too deep mentally that, you know, I need a bit of a of a de stress and to stretch my legs a little bit. But, yeah, I'm not quite there yet, unfortunately.  

[00:03:37] Unknown:

Talking about, like, the relentless onslaught,   I feel it and   you must get   it way more than I do. I need to sort a way to, when I'm training, actually not have my phone. I feel like I get pulled back into it. You know, there's that Dunbar number thing, and it's like you can't interact with that many people. But we do.   It's too much for your brain to take all the time, and that time where you step away, If you're listening to music or like what I do, I just have, like, my Spotify on, my phone will be ding ding ding ding. Do you find a way of, like, putting it away   or having, like, a different device?  



[00:04:16] Unknown:

I used to be much better at this. I'm I'm terrible for it now, to be honest. Like, unless I'm going for a run where, obviously, you know, I'm not gonna be on Telecom when I'm running. If I'm in the gym, then I'll take my laptop with me, and my laptop will be playing like a podcast or some tunes. But then, obviously, I've still got all my notifications coming through as well. Yes. I know I could just put it on do not disturb blah blah blah, but the temptation's just just too great, unfortunately.   When I used to be much better at it, and this will make you laugh this because it's it's only in recent years that I used to do this,   iPod shuffle.  

Ah. No screen. Just preload it with some tracks.  

[00:04:50] Unknown:

Okay. Leave the phone away. I should get back to that really because it's That's a good idea. Yeah. So and you could probably get one for, like, I don't know, 20, 30 quid because they're Yeah. Yeah. They're very old now. That's actually a very good idea. I might do that because, yeah, the temptation is there. I find that I get distracted. I'll finish a set, and then it will be   like, whatever. It's like we need to sort something with the printing of shirts or it's a message from John asking me a million questions, you know, like, how was your day? I miss you.  

[00:05:22] Unknown:

I really hope we can see each other soon. You know, that kind of stuff. And you just get pulled in very quickly. Yeah. Indeed. Because I go through the same process because I try to, like, time my rest periods. They know what I'm doing, like, no more than 2 minutes. And it's like, oh, it's fine. Yeah. I'll just get to some notifications.   I can do that in 2 minutes and I'll be ready to go again. Like, I'm not losing anything.   And then you get sucked in and then you look at your watch and you've had, like, a 6 minute rest and you're like, oh, for fuck's sake.  

[00:05:49] Unknown:

Actionable advice there. There you go.  

[00:05:52] Unknown:

Winter's definitely here, mate. I don't know. I'm only speaking from the UK, but weather's been fucking atrocious, which is probably part of the reason that, I feel the way that I do. I don't know what it's been like in your neck of the woods. I can tell you that cycling to and from the gym in the pissing rain  

[00:06:08] Unknown:

is not fun.   It's not fun. Turn up back at home and just, like, wring my clothes out.  

[00:06:16] Unknown:

It hurts even more because we literally have not had a summer either. That's been quite shit. In other news, did you hear,   mister O'Dell's call out in last Friday's,   RHR?  

[00:06:28] Unknown:

I did. Yeah. Challenge not accepted.  

[00:06:31] Unknown:

Do you wanna give some context for for the listeners that don't listen to RHR? Is it Ape Mirth Randir who It was Ape. Yeah. Legend. Yeah. Love Ape. Ape had messaged in  

[00:06:41] Unknown:

something like   Matt had mentioned   that he might stop if someone else picks up the mantle or I can't remember how it was worded, something like that. Yeah. That's right. But not that he wanted him to stop, but just saying that, hopefully, everyone appreciates what we're doing.   And,   both Matt and Marty had said, yeah. They appreciate what we're doing, but called us out and said, oh, I challenge you to do a   live. I think they said a a weekly live show or something like that. Yes. So or or unedited or yeah. I think it was both. An unedited weekly live show. Yeah. Challenge not accepted.   Unless there's, like, serious sats on the on the line.  

It's just not for me. Don't have time for a weekly show at this point.   The way that we put our shows out, I like to have the control of   crafting and creating something.   When it goes out, I I know, okay. I've had the time to put this out in the exact way that we wanna do it. When it goes out, I'm like, okay. I'm proud of that. I did with samurai   maybe, like,   5 or 6   live episodes.   Yeah. I remember those. They were good, but in all honesty, just I don't enjoy them as much. It's like there's too much going on for my head and I get all stressed out. So I just, like, enjoy how we do. What about you? You kinda like the the live stuff, do you? I I   fuck. Oh, no. I lost connection. You.  

Have you muted yourself? Can you hear me? No. Yeah. I can hear you now. I can hear you now. Yeah. My VPN keeps dropping out. Hopefully, that's not gonna be an issue, but apologies.  

[00:08:16] Unknown:

Okay. Forgot what you asked me now. My brain is scattered. Oh, live shows. I like listening to them. Hate participating in them just because   our listeners will have   no idea how much of a complete drongo I actually sound like when we record these.   Max makes me sound like I actually know what I'm talking about. Plus, when I feel like shit like this, he has the opportunity to edit out all my coughs and sniffles so that you guys don't have to be put through that. In terms of the yeah. Yeah. Frequency in the live shows, I I like the format. It would be great to do a weekly show, but we're not quite there yet. Maybe one day. Maybe one day for now, RHR, you you guys can keep the crown. We'll let you keep it for now. Yeah. But, also, we're a different type of show. So That's true. If you want a really good  

[00:09:02] Unknown:

live weekly show,   listen to RHL.   That's what you do. And if you want the best   biweekly show in the world,  

[00:09:12] Unknown:

come to us. There you go. One of my biggest fears of going   more frequently than what we are now is finding   enough relevant stuff to talk about to make, like, a worthwhile hour long show. The last thing I ever wanna do is start dipping into talking about Sailor buying some Bitcoin or, you know, an exchange adding lightning or something like that Yeah. Just to just to fill some air space. Like, I'm just not about that life. And if that means that we stay biweekly, then, you know, I'm absolutely fine with that. Not that there's anything wrong with that per se. It's just I have zero interest in talking about that sort of crap. Yeah. Yeah. Plus 1. Anyway, appreciate you, Matt and Marty. Likewise.  

[00:09:50] Unknown:

It's,   UK versus US.  

[00:09:53] Unknown:

Yeah. Knives versus guns. Yeah. Guns win. That's the problem. Yeah. As I said, I don't think we're gonna fare very well there.  

[00:10:01] Unknown:

Anyway,   what else have we got on AOB?  

[00:10:05] Unknown:

You've been watching some video about Monero?  

[00:10:08] Unknown:

Ah, yeah. Okay. I didn't get the whole way through it because we have   a 1000000000 different Telegram groups and channels that are, like, subdivided   into different shows and all this kind of stuff. By the way. Yeah. Thanks, Jordan. But, also, I'm gonna whinge about it because it took me   fucking, like, 30 minutes  

[00:10:28] Unknown:

to actually find the video that he'd sent. But, anyway, he sent it. I finally found it. I got 30 minutes through a 40 minute video. The context, by the way, listeners, sorry to cut you off. As Max said, this is a 40 minute video that Max sent me 10 minutes ago saying that he wanted to talk about it on the show.   So I was like, it's gonna have to be just you, mate, because there's nowhere to grab in a 40 minute video in the next 10 minutes.   So that's why I've got not much to say about this following topic.  

[00:10:56] Unknown:

It is a leaked   video or presentation   from Chainalysis   speaking to a government agency.   I won't say which one because I don't know why it should and shouldn't say. But, anyway, we've got hold of this video. I think it's been pulled from most places, but I've got it. So if anyone desperately wants it, ask me, and I can send it on. What I took away from it without finishing it is   chain analysis   or chain analysis are a lot more sophisticated   than maybe sometimes we give them credit for. I often hear people   say like, oh, they're not that advanced yet, or I wouldn't worry about that, or, like, you're being hyper paranoid.  

Even with Monero,   they are quite advanced   in the tools that they're using. I actually got to see the tools   as they're doing the walk through, and it's pretty impressive.   The main things that they went through that I got to anyway was IP tracking through services and swaps.   They're monitoring fee structures,   fee rates, and building   profiles of behavior.   So   if someone's using   2 times the standard fee rate because they wanna get something through faster   or they have, like, a a slightly different   fee rate choice through the wallet they're using.   They can create a profile of that user and and make it more likely that, oh, okay. This is the same person.  

They use heuristics to rule out certain decoys,   and they also divulge that they are which we can all kind of guess anyway, but they are running nodes   that people are connecting to to gather information.   So,   yeah,   pretty sophisticated stuff.   I guess the suggestion would be I mean, we can probably get some info from Seth on this, but I guess and it's kind of obvious, but you should probably be running your own node if you're using Monero.   And I think probably the easiest way to do that is if you're, like, running start 9 or something like that. You can actually run it on there. That might be the easiest way. Again, someone might correct me. But the reason I wanted to bring this up is there's been more   use of Monero   in the groups of people that I associate with and talk too often.  

I just don't want people to be lax and think,   okay. I'm using Monero. All the stuff that I cared about with Bitcoin, I don't really need to worry about because it's just private by default. I just don't want people to have that   thought and then be lax and then get themselves into some sort of trouble or problems.   Still   run a node,   still be thoughtful of the software that you use. You still wanna be connecting over to, if possible, or at absolute minimum to be running a VPN.  

[00:13:52] Unknown:

Just stay safe. Yeah. You you've kind of here, I'm purely responding on what you just said. I haven't watched the video. Mhmm. But you you kind of ticked off most of the stuff I was gonna say in terms of mitigations of to protect your IP address. Fee rates, like, as long as your wallet allows custom fee selection, then, you know, just be mindful of varying that, I suppose, to kind of thwart this type of analysis. And then the final piece that you haven't covered was that you mentioned   that they were using heuristics to denonymize   decoys and stuff like that.  

Isn't   the the big update coming soon where instead of it being, like, 1 of 16, you're one of all possible Yeah. An arrow output. So   that seems to me like a bit of a nonissue if and when that does become live. If I, again, very uneducated,   especially compared to somebody like Seth. But it seems like that would   be, you know, a quick fix for that type of   heuristic to be applied or to be thwarted. I think so,  

[00:14:50] Unknown:

but it's not in yet. People are using this now,   and they are actively monitoring swapping services. They're running nodes. They are gathering information,   and they are sophisticated.   The guy who's speaking   and giving the presentation,   to be fair, he actually although he's a cunt, what he's doing, he sounds like one of us. Like, he has an appreciation for the technology.   He's really nerding out and building tools, and   Seth will probably go into this at some point with us, but,   it sounds like they're on the bleeding edge. So it's just it's just a warning. It's just like a be careful.   Use tool. Use all the tools.  

Don't do anything that's too weird or out the ordinary. Be careful using swapping services if you're not covering your own back.   And just yeah. Don't underestimate the enemy. Yeah. Exactly that. Don't underestimate them because I hear that all the time. Like, oh, I don't think they're that advanced. I wouldn't worry about that. It's like, no. You probably actually should. Because if they're doing that for Monero, they are certainly doing it for Bitcoin. Oh, yeah. Good PSA. While we're on the topic, moving into the news section, by the way, while we're on the topic of privacy,  

[00:16:01] Unknown:

there was another hearing for the samurai wallet guys last week in New York. There has been 8 terabytes worth of data,   in this discovery that's been shared. Lots of, headlines here to talk about. I'm gonna read some from   no bullshit Bitcoin article, but also 2 massive shout outs. 1 to Frank Korver from Bitcoin Mag. He's done a wonderful job of covering this case. Follow him on Twitter. And also the guys at The Rage, which is an online blog, which focuses on pretty much this sort of stuff, also has a great, coverage of it as well.   So the defense has planned to argue that even if all of the claims made in the initial indictment were true, they would still not meet the bar for charge and that this is not how congress intended the money lottery statutes to be used. So I think, one of the guys is actually trying to say that this this shouldn't even be a trial in the first place based on the claims made in the in initial indictment.  

Not not sure how successful that's gonna be, but it's definitely a a bold move.   All in all, prosecutors have communicated that they managed to extract data from 15 out of 44 devices for one of the individuals, and 25   out of a 27 devices discovered from another of the individuals,   which   is quite an eye opening number, especially the second one. They've basically   been able to extract data from 99%   of all of those devices.  

[00:17:22] Unknown:

I find that unreasonable.   When I read that, I thought,  

[00:17:26] Unknown:

really? Yeah. It that was quite surprising to me, if I'm being honest. Knowing the little I do about these 2 individuals,   you would think that,   I don't know, that they'd have up to date devices   with good levels of encryption on, but maybe that's not the case, or maybe there's vulnerabilities   with newer devices that are not being communicated yet that have allowed them to access these. But That's my question because as you say, knowing the little I know about them,  

[00:17:52] Unknown:

that sounds quite shocking to me. That   sounds unrealistic   to me. So my initial thought was, is that bullshit,   or   have they got some sort of clever way to   get into things we would not think possible? Because   if I was gonna think of anyone who would have, as you say, everything up to date, doing everything in the correct way, and be like an impenetrable   fortress, it would be them.  

[00:18:19] Unknown:

Yeah. But when you look at the numbers, right, 44 devices from 1 guy and 27 devices from another guy, like, they're not all gonna be the latest cutting edge with the latest, you know, security patches, are they? Some of them are gonna be old phones and shit like that that with the best will in the world, even if you're somebody in their position, people just get complacent with in terms of, like, updating your security periodically, especially when you're talking about these amounts of devices. Like, that's almost a full time job in itself. So I can I can completely sympathize with the situation that they found myself in purely looking at these devices?   And in terms of your comment about it it being a lie, like, I I don't think that's possible because they you know, part of this discovery is that they have to share it with the defense attorneys anyway. So I doubt that very much. But,   another attorney has argued that setting a trial date is premature since the defense has not yet reviewed all of the discovery materials, which was provided in mid August, so less than a month ago.  

Another attorney has highlighted that they received 8 terabytes of data,   which, listen to this, is the equivalent to 75%   of the Library of Congress' total information.   Wow. Crazy. Lots more to cover off on you know, I'm gonna go into detail because I think it's important to especially to us.   One of the chaps   has requested 2 changes to their bail conditions,   namely removing home detention and modifying restrictions on his ability to transact with cryptocurrency   for obvious reasons. You know? This was their guy's   sole income. So, presumably,   99% of their wealth is gonna be in cryptocurrency, so they need to use that to live and to fund this defense.  

The defense has contended that restrictions are warranted because this guy was willing to face trial as he did not believe he had committed any crime. I think both of those were refused.   I know for a fact that the home detention was refused. I'm not sure about the ability to transact.   Oh, yes. Sorry. Judge Richard Berman has denied these requests and urged both the prosecution and the defense to, quote, get moving on the case.   The prosecution countered by referencing handwritten pages in 1 gentleman's home that outlined how he would flee the country   during a, quote, general emergency.  

These planned reportedly include using multiple passports, $10,000 in cash, a burner phone, an unused SIM card, and various mnemonic phrases.   So I think they're trying to insinuate that this   is,   this guy's,   you know, get up and run away from law enforcement plan when they've said themselves that it's called a general emergency plan. But,   yeah, they're gonna try to twist anything they can, I guess? Yeah. Of course. So, that's the the main kind of highlights. We'll once again signpost you to Frank Corver and The Rage   for any further details. 2 great publications on this. The next hearing has been   set for   December 17th   at 10 o'clock Eastern US time. It will include a defense motion to dismiss criminal charges on the grounds of what one gentleman's lawyer described as extraordinarily   unusual   and a misapplication of money laundering statutes.  

Very,   inspired by how hard they're fighting this just to say that there is no case in the first place.   And once again, hope it all goes well.   And,   yeah, I hope they get through all of that discovery information as quickly as they can to build the solid case as they can because it sounds like there's a shit ton of information that they need to go through. Yeah. And  

[00:21:42] Unknown:

a lot riding on this. Yeah. Definitely.  

[00:21:45] Unknown:

The the the most important news story in the whole ecosystem,   bar none. Mhmm.   We have 2 other services   winding down operations this year, both fairly   lesser known. First one is 101,   which is   a DLC wallet that enables   trustless trade execution. I think we talked about DLCs in a a little more detail last time. So if you're Mhmm. Interested in what the hell those are, maybe listen to the last show. Here's a quote from the owner or the producer. We've done a lot of reflective. We know that what we have built is not receiving the traction and growth we wanted to have. We also know it won't scale easily to the masses.   So due to technical limitations,   we are taking a tough decision to wind down 101.  

So it sounds like they just haven't found product market fit. So sad to see, but, you know, that's business at the end of the day. The second,   wall this one's a wallet that's closing down is Nayuta Wallet. It's a Japan based self custodial Bitcoin and lightning wallet, which   cites personal health reasons from the CEO and also   being a bit disenfranchised with the way that the Lightning Network is heading. And I quote, the Lightning Network was initially developed for real time payments of decentralized money, and it's currently evolved into a business landscape where currently custodial solutions are taking center stage. Definitely,   share that thought process. So sad to see that one closed down, but, I hope that the health issues work themselves out at least.  

Also wanted to signpost a cool tutorial, speaking of lightning network by mister BTC Sessions about using the new Alpi Hub. TLDR here will go to too much detail because obviously Ben does that very well in his video.   You can have a hosted lightning node to take all the headaches away. Clearly, there's lots of trade offs with that that we've covered many times before, namely privacy, cost, and trusting, you know, whoever's running that server. Or you can also install this LP hub onto your own node as well. The benefits there is, obviously, running on your own node, but you still have all the the nice Hope UI and the hosted channels and all that sort of stuff. So worth checking out if you wanna kind of remove some of the headaches of lightning, but you wanna do so by running your own node versus kind of, you know, taking the the Zeus LSP or the Phoenix approach. The option of running it on your own node,  

[00:23:56] Unknown:

obviously, people can go to, sessions'   video to go into full detail. But what's the likelihood that you would have similar uptime   as just having them run it? Because to me,   that's kind of the reason you'd run it. It's like, you run a lightning node. You go, okay. Great. I run my own lightning node, and then you need to use it for, like, your part or your store or whatever it is you're doing.   Then it falls over.   You fix it, and then it falls over another 10 times and you have problems and you go, fuck this.   I'm gonna have someone else do it for me. So why would you then bring it back onto your own node  

[00:24:32] Unknown:

and pay for it? It seems like a weird model to me. There's no, subscription fee if you host it yourself. Ah, okay. Yeah. So if I said that, apologies. But, yeah. Sorry. May maybe you didn't. You'll just have, like, the LSP. If you go down the LSP route, there's just fees for those channels as there would be with any other LSP based wallet. But, yeah, the only subscription fee is if you do the hosted node.  

[00:24:54] Unknown:

Fine. Got you. Okay. You probably didn't say that. I probably just made that up with my own weird little head.  

[00:25:01] Unknown:

Next up, we have some feedback from the Tor Project that have responded to reports of German police de anonymizing users.   Wanted to mention this one because it sounds like a little bit more of a nothing burger.   The   report is   from people using an outdated version of a retired   ricochet   application that the tour projects used to use, which I've never heard of, if if I'm being honest. They have since released updates to this project, the ricochet project that counters timing analysis   that older versions were susceptible to. So, yeah, I won't go into any further details, but it's kind of just a heads up that if you're kind of running the latest version, then you're already protected about against what this law enforcement was saying that they they could use to deanonymize their their users.   So very much still remains, like, one of the best options to keep yourself,   protected   online.  

Okay. Big news, this one.   Very happy. Oh, no. We're doing boosts. Yeah. We were talking about brains not working properly. Yeah. Let's do this. Teaser. Stay tuned to find out more.  

[00:26:07] Unknown:

So into boost. Yeah? Let's hit it. Late stage Huddl with 33,133   sats.   Q and a,   autocorrect   did what to me?   Exclamation mark, question mark, exclamation mark, 3 laughing sideways faces.  

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So, okay, that's fine. Yeah. So I think I mentioned that autocorrect had stuck a finger up his bum and screwed him. Because I think he did he try to write sats in one of his recent That's cool. Boosts?   Think he tried to write sats that it converted to days or something like that.   All those I say late stage Huddl is,   don't knock it till you tried it. Solex,  

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thanks once again.   Praying or high five hands.  

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Bardminer, 21,000   stats via Podverse.   He said, I listen at 1.13x   on mute and then boot out pity.  

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And then 3 little goats with olive oil hooves.  

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Banana man, 21,000   sats. Love the show name. Max can use these sats to get some more toilet roll for the kids.  

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Actually, fully out today. I used kitchen roll today. How savage is that? Oh,   the tough stuff. Late stage huddle. Completely agree about the doorknobs.   Even had a roommate in college who took it to the next level. He would open doors loudly   by twisting the doorknob   all the way and then letting it go loudly,   then closing the door.   What a fucking   That's the most passive aggressive thing I've ever heard. Yeah. That's not on at all. Do you know what? I can't see the whole, the whole boosts on this for some reason.  

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He said, didn't matter what time of day it was, always loud. Walking loudly with his boots   back. Why can you see the whole thing? Have you opened it in Excel?  

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No. I've opened it in numbers.  

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Should just be able to widen the column.  

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Right.   Late stage Huddl again. Alliances.   Y'all's American   accents.   Just kidding. They're great. Please continue talking in American, but seriously,   noises.   Dude, Max, we're on the same page with this. People coughing in a weird way. My wife is so sick of me critiquing people's coughs.  

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Well, hopefully, if Max does, his editing correctly later stage Huddl, you won't need to critique mine. I might leave them in just to wind them up.   8 Myth Roundir, 10,077   sats. Jeez. So many boosters these days. I've gotta up my amount to try and get read out earlier in the post. Great work on the new format and name.   Fundamentals with 10,000 sats. Can't stand people on airplanes who play sound through their phones and pretend they don't know how fucking awful they are.   I prefer a colicky baby screaming or a dipshit entrepreneur who won't shut the fuck up about his business or even 2 bitchy broads complaining about how unfair their lives are the whole flight to these terrible phone speaker cretins.  

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Phone speaker cretins.   I agree. You get them always on, like, trains and buses and stuff as well. Like, playing loud music or having conversations on loudspeaker.   Yeah. What the fuck is wrong with people?   I   see that. Swallow. To me. Yep. Black coffee. Go fuck yourself. Thanks, mate. Wow. Very sweet.   Nathan Day. What a whiny  

[00:29:32] Unknown:

little bitch. Is that about me or you? Gotta be It would be about you. No. It's gotta be you. I think it was you because you were saying about, No. No. Lost her. It's gotta be. Unlikely.   Now waste   no waste BTC signs. 5,000 sat.   I listen at 2.25   speed.   Too many podcasts, so little time. The I fucking hate you song sounds better at 2 times speed too.   2.25.  

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How are you keeping up? That's mental. That's proper rain man stuff. Jesus.  

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I'm quite, like, intrigued to hear what I sound like on 2.25 speed now, though. Yeah. I might have a listen. It's it's gonna be horrific.   Yeah. Fair play. Very efficient man. Bubba, 5,000 sats. Minor annoyances. People in general, especially the breathing people.   Wow.   What a ray of sunshine.  

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Love you, Bubba. Late stage huddle. I listen to most podcasts at 1.25   speed,   but then I've moved y'alls back down to 1   simply because John shamed me into how much time you put into it. So it's fine. I'll fucking listen to it at 1 x.   I appreciate you taking the time, mate.   Bon,   1.25   speed is the perfect podcast playback speed.   At this point, you all sound super weird when I hear you say anything at 1 x.  

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Well, Bon, I want you to, very quickly when you hear this, put your, podcast player back to 1 x.   Thank   you,   Bon.  

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Listening.   Listening.   We love   you pun.  

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Okay. You can go back to 1.25   now. Thanks. War time with 3,333   sats.   1.5 x gang, orange heart, beers. It depends on the content. Bitcoin, OpTech, I can only do 1 to 1.25.   So what you're saying there, Max, is that   because we're stupid and we talk about nontechnical   stuff that's easy to listen to, you can speed us up. We appreciate that, mate. Thanks. Thanks for your  

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time. Should we do the rest of the boost at the back end of the show? Jump into some updates?  

[00:31:49] Unknown:

Yes, sir. Let's do it. Starting with,   the most exciting one at the top of the updates and releases section.   I hope I don't butcher this name because it's a very cool name.   Ashigaru   version 1.0.0,   a privacy first mobile Bitcoin wallet, has been released. And for those that have not been on social media this weekend when it was released,   this is a samurai wallet fork that has been released called Ashigaru   that builds upon the most recent samurai wallet release, which I believe was 0.99.98ii.   Still makes me laugh, those those version numbers.   And, yeah, it's essentially a fork of samurai wallet with some minor changes. The changes are minor at the moment. A couple of UI improvements.  

The main headlines aside from the UI stuff are Soroban is back online via a a hosted server that this team is using, which means that you can now continue to do   collaborative transactions like Stonewall 2 x x 2, excuse me, and Stowaways.   A new PayNim   server and also a new PayNim algorithm   that produces these awesome looking samurai pepees.   Very similar looking names. However, it is a different algorithm to the non deterministic   one that the original samurai wallet team used to use. But the general principle of how they work is based on bit 47. All of that yada yada is all the same. The other big important change here is that this wallet will only work if you connect it to a Dojo that you specify. Hopefully, it's your own. So there's no default server. You can't use this wallet on easy mode. Like, you have to be running a dojo or Mhmm. Connecting to somebody's dojo that you know to be able to even get into the wallet, which in my opinion is a good move. Yes.   Problem is it's gonna raise the barrier to entry significantly,   but it is what it is. And clearly, the whoever is behind this team, by the way, I have no idea who it is, and I hope it stays that way. Clearly, they wanna continue this project in such a way that they are running as little of the infrastructure as possible. And, obviously, the main one that can be used to compromise users, I guess, in a leak environment   is to be running the default back end. So here, there is no default back end. All of the other wonderful samurai wallet features that you come to know a lot of, like post make spending, batch spending,   ricochet,   samurai backup files,   stealth mode, blah blah blah. All of that is all rolled in because this is a a carbon copy with some changes.  

And, obviously, stating the obvious here, but I'm sure somebody would ask me if I didn't mention it. There is no Whirlpool in this app, and there is, from what they're saying, no plans to do so at this current time.  

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Well,   I was very excited to wake up and see this   all over Twitter and   very brave   and very cool to see.  

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Yeah. Absolutely. So, again, just wanna reiterate, I have no idea who's behind this. But if you are listening to this, thank you for picking up the mantle Yeah. And,   making this happen. So, we'll be watching this one with a close eye. All of the code, of course, is, open sourced under the GPL v three license, so you can go and vet it. I would say that if you can't do that, then maybe don't jump in and start sending all of your funds and using it as your default wallet straight away. This is a an anonymous developer in a brand new project, so just, you know, tread carefully with it and just see how it develops. You know? There's no need for you to jump head over heels, you know, as cool cool as it is. Just be careful. Like, it's a new project.   The codes,   you know, is days old at this point. It's it's specifically in the public domain. So just bear that in mind. Yeah. Good advice. Be interesting to see  

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what comes up in terms of people being able to run their own Dojos.   It makes it slightly more difficult for people to do. There is no easy mode.   But I wonder   what we see in terms of making it as simple as possible for people.  

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Yeah. I mean, well, over and above what's already out there, you mean, in terms of, like, plug and play notes?  

[00:35:55] Unknown:

Yeah. Like,   will we see it available in some of the plug and play nodes   where it works? Like, if someone's running   an umbral or a start 9 or something like that, will they be able to run it on there and it actually work?   Will there be other solutions coming out to make it more simple?   What will happen with, Ronan Dojo?   What will they come up with?   Will the x   86 options   be workable and good? Like,   how will someone approach this if they're like, okay. You know, maybe we're a month down the line. This has been vetted a little bit more. People are more confident, and people are, okay. Well, is what I wanna start using. Okay. Now I need to set up a Dojo, and I haven't got one. What will be the   most simple and most robust   option for someone?  



[00:36:46] Unknown:

Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. I'd love to see personally, a start line implementation. I think that'd be great. Mhmm. Obviously, I,   I had a lot of other people run that onto proper hardware. So if it was packaged properly, I believe the the Dojo software would work very well on there. I don't actually know the the status of the   Ronujo project at the moment. Have you got any updates on that? Well,  

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they stopped   selling hardware,   so   you can't buy Tantos   from them.   I don't know what direction they're going. I think that they were talking about   making it available for x86.   And I think there was a way that you could do that, but I don't think it was directly through the Run and Dojo team.   So   I'm guessing that's the way they're going, and I'm not sure I'm not sure where they're gonna go. I mean, I have to get Zelco on to talk about it now that it's kind of gonna be relevant, hopefully, going forward again. But whatever they do is gonna be exciting to see, and,   hopefully,   this gets some use. And,   as you said before, very, very happy to see this, and whoever's done it, thank you. Yeah. It's it looks like it's not just a quick slapdash,  

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you know, kind of fork it and start serving an APK. Like, the website and the blog, all really professionally written. So it seems like a, you know, somewhat of a serious outfit that's behind this. Some great design on the the website and things like that. It's not just been cobbled together. Somebody clearly spent a lot of time and effort to do this properly. So,   Ashigaru team, whoever you are, hats off. Yeah. Thank you.   Robosat's   v 0.7.0   alpha,   has now been released,   and they have a desktop application   available for Windows, Mac, and Linux.  

Now I don't know if this is   new to 0.7. I think it is, but it's the first time I've ever heard of a desktop app for Robosats, which is very cool to see. And there's also some Torified   notifications   for the Android application as well. So, hopefully, that means what I think it means in the fact that you can get trade notifications   that come to you over the Tor network, you know, so that you know when you need to take the next   portion of action to complete the next step of the trade.   The order book has now also been Nosta enabled and shared with Mosta.   So I believe   Mosta is like a a competitor to Robosats, but it sounds like there's there's some synergy there and they've linked up. But I'm not sure under what,   kind of guys that they've got linked up. But,   yeah, seems that,  

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everybody's integrating Kynosten in some way, shape, or form into their Bitcoin or lightning related application at the moment. It does feel like that. We had a lot of, people whinging about the, the Fountain integration. A lot of people messaging me, and it does seem like it would make sense for a lot of stuff to integrate it. What was the what were people whinging about in terms of the Nostra integration?   Well, just like   the fact that they had to now   have Nostra to be able to comment and respond to comments.   So they had something that they could use. You know, they could go on Fountain. They could send us SATs, and they could write a comment, and I could comment back. And then suddenly that was taken away from them unless they   joined Nosta and linked their Nosta and fucked around and do all that stuff. So there was a few people who were just like, fuck this. I don't wanna deal with Nosta. It's gay. I don't wanna do it. And   they were frustrated that they couldn't send messages and they couldn't interact with us.  

I get it. But   I then set up my Noster,   and   I don't know. It took me, like, 10 minutes.   It's not the biggest hurdle, but I can understand   Yeah. Someone may be getting frustrated.  

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Two things to that where you just said that. Number 1, around, like,   people   not wanting to go through the regular role of, like, having a Nostra account. Like, I I feel like the Fatwing guys could have alleviated that a little bit by a simple yes or no button of, okay. Do you want to link your Nostra account? Are you interested in this stuff? Yes or no? If you say no, like, just do it for them in the background. Don't tell them about it. Don't communicate anything to them. And then whenever they comment to them, it looks like they're just commenting on their shows just like they used to. But then it makes it under the hood visible to some random pub key on Nosta so that everybody gets the best of both worlds. The Nosta people could still see your comment, but you don't have to deal with any of the headaches or the overhead of having to deal with and manage an NSEK blah blah blah. That seemed like it could have been a quick win. Obviously, I'm oversimplifying that, and I'm sure there's a lot more to it than that, but just something I thought. And then around the emphasis of why NOS is important, like, yes. I I understand that it's a bit more of a headache, but we've just moved from a place of when you're in fountain,   all of your comments are within a walled garden, the fountain walled garden. Yeah. Then they've openly   knocked down that walled garden and said, okay. Yeah. We're gonna allow comments from anywhere now. You can take those comments with you, and you can have your own ID. It's very much more aligned   with   the way that most kind of Bitcoiners   kind of see the or how how they would like to see this sort of stuff. Like, it's the anti Apple approach or the anti Spotify approach, and, you know, I commend them for that, albeit,   yes, there's been some teething problems, but it's definitely a step in the right direction in my opinion. I agree. And I spoke to Oscar  

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whenever it was a week or 2 ago about all this, and he took a lot of the feedback on board. He was very responsive with things. He said that they agree they definitely could have done things in maybe   a slightly different way. And,   it was always   a frustration with us that people from other apps who were sending messages and boost, we couldn't see and   people couldn't interact. And as you say, like,   moving to Nosta does open that up. And if other podcasting   2.0,   apps   and players start doing the same,   then it would be a nice thing to see. So I understand it, and I appreciate how open he was. And we're gonna have a conversation. We're gonna do a confab soon. So people who have questions or frustrations   or suggestions   can,   can then comment, and,  

[00:43:04] Unknown:

we can see what we can do. Nice. Look forward to that one. Live Wallet version 0.7.0   has now been released. So these guys are whoever is behind it are shipping pretty quickly. We gave an intro to this one on the last Bitcoin brief where it's kind of a a fee estimator where you give it your xpubs, you can connect it to your own node, and then it will give you various different fee scenarios and Bitcoin prices and spending scenarios so that you could estimate   when any of your, UTXOs   on this any given circumstances will become unspendable.   They've now added a in version set 0.7, they've added a consolidation mode that helps you do all of what I've just said. But when you're consolidating,   let's say, 10 UTXOs into a a new one, you can see kind of how beneficial that could be, how much it's gonna cost you, when the would be the right time to do it, etcetera. So, yeah, pretty cool. This one, I'm I'm,   definitely gonna be testing this one out. Passport release to version 2.3.2   with ephemeral seed support has now been released.  

We spoke about this 2 weeks ago where it was in, public beta. All of the details can be found there, but the headline here now is that this is public and that you can now use   your passport in ephemeral mode or in hybrid mode where you have a master seed and then you load temporarily load in ephemeral seed as in when you you would like. So you can kind of have the best of both worlds. And   I use Max's favorite terminology, seed signer functionality is very much arrived with passport.   And you can also now sign messages with QR code as well. So if you like to use,   particularly European based exchanges, regulated ones, centralized ones, KYC ones, that require you to sign a message as quote, unquote proof that you own an address, then you can do that as part of, the typical Bitcoin message signing protocol over QR codes with passport. And the the final one we've added fully noted as to the wallet connection list as well. Nice.  

Lnbits   version 0.12.11   has been released,   and the main headline here is that there are 3 more different types of funding sources. So LNbits is kinda like a front end or a wrapper or,   one of the the cool ways to describe LNbits,   that I've heard is it's like WordPress   but for your lightning node. So there's loads of different plugins and features and functionalities that you can use.   They have, initially, added 3 extra funding sources. That is Boltz, Breeze, and Nosta WalletConnect. There's that Nosta word again. The one here that is very confusing to me, and I need to do a bit of   homework on how or how this is gonna work is Bolts.  

Mhmm. Because as you all probably know, Max, Bolts is a atomic swap exchange where you can go from   Bitcoin to Monero or Monero to Lightning or Bitcoin to Lightning and back and blah blah blah.   How can you use that as a back end for LNBits? That's very intriguing to me.   Oh, okay. I've just answered my own question. So Benarc also released the tutorial for running LNBits on liquid via trustless Bolt Swaps on a Lunanode server. So it looks like you   hold the balance in liquid somewhere, and then you use   bolts as a swap to receive via lightning or something like that. Again, I butchering that, but very intriguing to me as to how that actually works. Your funds in liquid  

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and then you swap out. Sounds quite private,   but obviously custodial.  

[00:46:26] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. But if that's the case, like, if you are holding your funds in liquid,   then do you see a liquid balance in Ellen Bits? Like, that seems a bit weird. When you're talking about bulks, you said  

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you can do Bitcoin, Lightning, Monero swaps.   I don't think you can.  

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What? You can't go from Monero to Lightning?  

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I don't think so.  

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I'm gonna fact check you right now. Pretty sure.   Yeah. I'm getting confused. So with Bolt, it's just,   liquid Bitcoin and lightning. My apologies.   I'm getting confused with one of the many other swaps that there are swaps out there that let you go from lightning to narrow back. There there's many out there, but my apologies. Bolt is lightning Bitcoin and liquid only. Just before we move on from this,  

[00:47:11] Unknown:

what are your thoughts on just privacy? Like, I know, obviously,   you have your issues with liquid in terms of, like, custody.   Yeah. But if someone,   for example, was to go   lightning   into liquid,   liquid   back into lightning,   and then send,   Presumably,   that is quite   good   in terms of privacy.   And the second part of the question is   part of that Monero   de anonymizing   talk that I was watching.   They were actually talking quite heavily about Liquid. And I haven't quite understood   how much information they can get from Liquid.   Can the Liquid Federation   see transactions   within Liquid, or   they couldn't actually report any information outside of   this is the Lightning   send in,   and this is what we've   pegged out to. They can't see anything within there   if they were to be asked.  



[00:48:16] Unknown:

Yeah. Correct. My understanding is they've got confidential transaction to its high to send the recipient   and amount,   I believe.   But in your scenario where you went liquid to lightning   sorry. Lightning to liquid to to lightning to then spend   Yeah.   Would be,   like, lightning go if you're running your own nodes and you have your own channels, lightning already has very good sender level privacy. So I'm just not sure what adding that custodial liquid hop is really gaining you.   That's the bit I would kind of draw issue with, I guess.   Okay. Like, it doesn't seem to be additive. Like, you're only kind of just adding in custodial risk.  



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Maybe the way that it could be used would be   Bitcoin   into liquid,   liquid   to lightning, and then spend   from there.   I'm thinking in terms of, like, for those of us who have had the option of using   Whirlpool   and have Postmates,   we're in quite a nice situation where if we want to open a Lightning channel,   we can do that with Postmates.   And that's   an ideal   situation.   But for people who don't have that option,   if they had   Bitcoin   that they could send into   liquid   and then peg out to Lightning,   that would presumably   be better   than just opening a channel   with   their Bitcoin that could potentially be traced back to them.  

Because that's already then you know, once it's in lightning, then when they spend, they're in a good situation. But by opening the channel, they're causing themselves issues.  

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Yeah. I think I see where you're heading.   Just one quick fact check correction on myself. It does Liquid has confidential amounts, not confident it doesn't hide the sender in the shipping. You can still see all those addresses, so apologies for that slip up.   Again, I it would be a simple way that you could because you you've got these wallets now like Aqua and all that sort of stuff where   they make interacting with liquid fairly easy. So what do is something like that be easier than go through Joy Market or something? Then yes.   In terms of, like, the privacy comparison, it's really difficult   to   be able to kind of quantify that for a couple of reasons. Number 1, I don't know whether you can run your own liquid node. Presumably, you can to gain, like, network level privacy.  

There's very, very few people   using liquid. Like, I'm looking at the last 10 blocks. One transaction, 2 transaction, 4, 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 5, 3.   Although it has confidential amounts, you're not hiding amongst a very big crowd. So if you're just gonna hop in and then hop back out, whilst the transactions on the Liquid network   have   confidential amounts, like the peg outs clearly don't because you're coming back on chain.   So who or where you're doing that peg out, like, if it's the same place, obviously, that's gonna be fairly trivial for them to,   so all the same stuff applies that we've talked about with, you know, swapping to Monero back essentially because it's, like, timing analysis, blah blah blah, all that sort of stuff. Okay. I'd say there's probably some merit to it from a privacy perspective if you did it correctly and you took your time and you were okay with the custodial risk. But it's always that peg out. That's where   you can't do that trustlessly. So you're always kind of  

[00:51:35] Unknown:

at the risk of not being able to peg out. Now clearly, the liquid that network's been up for a long time and Yeah. There hasn't been that many reports, if any, of anybody being refused a peg out, but it is still a trusted process. The yeah. There is still risk. I think what what had me thinking about this is and the person who I was having this conversation with is probably listening. And if you are and you want to give me more info or, like, ask a question or or give us some info for next episode,   that would be appreciated. But they were running through sort of, like, what they've been doing   post Whirlpool and some of the things and tricks that they're using. And one of the things that they were saying to me is when they   ask for a payment in Bitcoin,   what they do is they post an address   that's a standard looking Bitcoin address. It just looks, you know, b c one, whatever.  

But when someone pays that, they're actually paying for a swap in to liquid.   But the sender doesn't know that,   And then they'll peg out in separate smaller amounts   out to lightning   and then use that for their spending.   They create a break between   the person who's sending them the Bitcoin   and anything then going forward,   which I thought was quite an interesting   option. And no one would ever know when paying that or most people maybe there is a way that you could work it out if you looked through a block explorer, but most people would just pay it and never know. And I thought that was quite interesting.  

[00:53:03] Unknown:

Yeah. I   for for that use case where you don't want the sender to know anything about your addresses or your lightning node or anything like that, like, that seems like a fairly compelling use case. But then as with everything, there's trade offs. Like, he's you you mentioned that this person is then holding a balance in liquid.   So they have, you know, 3rd party risk. They have custody risk, and then they're spending from that in smaller amounts. Clearly, they're okay with that, and that's fine. That's cool. You know, they they've won on the on the privacy side of things, and they're okay with the the 3rd party trade off. It's it's, you know, fine if that works for you. Great. And and for for achieving the use case of my primary goal is I don't want the person that's paying me to know anything about my Bitcoin addresses or anything about my likely node, where it is, how much funds I've got, which UTXO has opened it, blah blah blah. Then, yeah, they've achieved their goal. Great. And just to to flip it on the other side, you can say, okay. Well, why not just send them a Monero address. Right? The sender still wouldn't learn anything about your balance or anything like that. Yes. They'd see a Monero address, but they can't see where you spend it thereafter. Yeah. Most people trade offs. Most people won't. Within our Bitcoin ecosystem  

[00:54:08] Unknown:

and, like, people I have conversations with and transact with, a very small percentage of those people   would   send me Monero.   There are some, but not that many. Whereas on chain Bitcoin is everyone,   And then Lightning is, like,   half of that, 3 quarters of that. If I sent someone a Bitcoin address,   which automatically   on the back end is actually swapping out to liquid, and they never know, I'm never gonna have a problem. No one's ever gonna question it. They'll just pay it, and done. If there was a way of doing it, so I send them a Bitcoin address that automatically swaps into Monero   and they don't know,   the same thing applies. And in my opinion, that would be better for me because then I can swap back out to Lightning from Monero,   and I don't have the custody risk even though it's small, potentially. Yeah. That would be preferable. So maybe there's a service that does that as well.  

And in that case, maybe that's better. But I just think it's kind of an interesting  

[00:55:06] Unknown:

Yeah. And you could you could do that with Monero with something like Trokadore. Of course. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Like, you could achieve it that way. But, again, just to cap off what I was saying about trade offs, like, yes, with the Monero approach, you wouldn't have the 3rd party risk because it's fully self custodial on a decentralized network, but then you've got   the price exposure risk versus Bitcoin that you don't have with liquid because it's a one to one peg. So it's like it's not all there's there's just trade offs everywhere, which ironically,   the financial slippage between the two is actually been favorable on the Monero side. So you actually would've done well about out of it recently I'm talking about. Can confirm. I just the pit I'm trying to drive home is that there are no perfect solutions. There are just an acceptable set of trade offs for your situation,   what privacy you wanna gain, and the headache that you're willing to go through to get to that goal.  

Blue Wallet version 7.0.4.   This one is titled advanced mode unleashed.   So one of the this is a quote from their Twitter.   One of the biggest takeaways of a recent thread is that people are not finding the most features that exist on the advanced mode. So we are killing the advanced mode and bringing all the features to the in view options.   So, yeah, they're bringing to the surface things like,   address type, selection,   providing entropy via dice rolls, all that sort of stuff is kind of much more in the forefront.   And I don't know how I feel about this because   BlueWallet has long since been renowned as one of the best kind of beginner wallets for all of your on chain ship. Mhmm. They did quite a good job of that probably because they had a lot of the advanced stuff hidden away.  

Now, obviously, again, talking about trade offs, a lot of users weren't finding those advanced features, so they brought them to the forefront.   Mhmm. Now that's gonna be a fine line to walk between it being detrimental to, in my opinion, their primary use case   versus just, like, throwing   all of this advances at users, and they're gonna be, like, looking at a button that says HD segue brackets bit 49p2sh   and be like, what the fuck is this?   I haven't seen how they've done the implementation.   Also, I'll say is that that's a fine line to work to get right, and, you know, it's something that we go back and forth on when we're developing Envoy foundation   literally every single day. So, you know, I I get that they're listening to the users because, that was the, you know, the the reason they did this was from feedback from a Twitter thread. But, again, implementing all user feedback is not always a good thing either. So, I'll have to test that one out and see how they've implemented it. But, I thought it was an interesting, you know, bit of background to the the development choice that they've got over there at, at BlueWallet. Well, let's see. As you say, they've always had a very good simple user experience up to this point, so hopefully that continues.  

Okay.   Dana Wallet or Dana Wallet   has been released.   This is a mobile silent payments wallet for Bitcoin donations.   So Dana I'm gonna stick with Dana. Dana Wallet is a Flutter app for accepting occasional payments such as Bitcoin donations.   It uses the silent payments protocol to receive transactions while preserving on chain privacy.   Pretty cool. I'm looking at the no bullshit Bitcoin snapshot of the images, and it looks like a very,   very simple kind of wallet, you know, with minimal kind of focus on fancy design or anything like that. It's very   functional rather than, you know, trying to take things to the edge of the what's possible with design, I'll say that. Another,   silent payment wallet, pretty cool to to have another one. Amongst the ranks, this one clearly very simple to use because there's not that many options. So it could be, you know, a great one to shove under somebody's nose in the let's say we have another trucker protest or something like that. This UI looks simple enough that I could hand it to a a trucker and just say, look. Follow the instructions and then just share this silent payment address. People will send you Bitcoin. Very nice. Oh, only available on Android as well. So apologies to you Apple fanboys, but, you'll have to look elsewhere.  

Keeper desktop version 0.1.1   has been released, and it has cross platform support. So another new desktop application   available for well, it says cross platform, so I'm going to assume it's Mac, Windows, and Linux because it doesn't specify otherwise. Yes. It does. Windows, Mac, and Linux.   Not tested this one out, but, I'm sure if they keep the same design language that they had from the mobile wallet, it'll be a a great start. So if you're a a desktop app user,   and you, for some bizarre reason, have the need or want to stray away from Spiro Wallet, then head over and check out Keeper Desktop.   Speaking of Spiro Wallet,   version 2.0   has now been released, which is a big milestone.  

Once again, hats off to mister Craig Groff. Thank you for all your hard work and efforts.   Lots of updates here, but the the highlights are there's now support for Trezor Safe 5, Ledger Stacks, and Flex, and they also now support recovering   Slip 39   mnemonic   shares, which is a share of secret sharing. So Spiral Wallet now allows you to import your shares and reconstitute your wallet, let's say, from one of your Trezor backups or something like that. So that's cool to see as well.   There's a big long laundry list of, what's new here, but, I won't go through it all. Obviously, it'll be linked into,  

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in the show notes. But, yeah. Congrats on version 2, Greg. Yeah. Thank you, mate. Alright. Should we hit some more boosts? Let's get into it. Should we, before we hit the boost, just jump into voice mails? Oh, we've got a voice mail, have we? Well, I don't know. Let's check.   Hold on.   This is Max and Q from The Bitcoin Brief.   Sorry we can't answer right now. I'm busy editing, and Q is in the gym training his calves. So please leave us a message after the tone.  

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Okay.   No questions.  

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Who is that? Did they not leave a name?  

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Jordan, I think. He does a lot of the stuff for Ungovernable Misfits behind the scenes.   Great guy. Can't confirm. The robot with monstrous calves.  

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Did make me chuckle out.  

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But no questions.   Next time. Yeah. Leave us a voice mail, guys. Any other questions that have come in on any other platforms?  

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We do have some questions.   We have one from this morning. Sorry. This was from last week.   Agrarian Contrarian, or Nosta, asked me, could we get an overview of Nosta key storage using Passport?   I got an inquiry from Dan, I don't know who Dan is, about how I manage and create my Gnoster keys. It's so simple, easy, awesome, yet he had no idea. Maybe a presenter could incorporate some of this content into Gnoster Valley, wherever Gnoster Valley is. Fucking hell. Yeah. So on passport, you can generate   a Nosta key deterministically   very similar to the way you would generate   some child keys using the BIP 80 5 protocol, which is essentially what our key manager is an implementation of. So the way it works is when you set up your passport, you'll be shown 12 or 24 words. That's your master backup for your Bitcoin. That's kind of the standard stuff. From there, there are multiple different applications or calculations that you can do to that seed to deterministically   derive multiple other secrets. Now that could be a password. It could be a Gnostic key. It could be a Bitcoin child key. And these are done in such a way that it's repeatable. So if you take the same steps and generate the same index number, you'll get the same Bitcoin private key. My goddamn connection's gone again. I'm gonna throw this computer out the window in a minute. Yeah. Terrific. We'll have it fixed by next week. I'll have to do some troubleshooting with the cabling.  

Where the fuck was I? So, yeah, so if you apply the same operation to the same key and the same index number, then you'll end up at the same child key or the same doster key over and over again. So the whole point here is that you don't have to make manual backups if you don't want to of any of those derived keys because they are able to be deterministically   regenerated at any point in the future. So to apply this to Nostra, you can apply the same operation to your   master passport   private key, and it will give you, a Gnostic key for any given index that you want that you can then go and import via QR code or via text   to any of your favorite Gnostic clients and then have that backed up by your passport without needing to make any additional backups.  

So that's the cool part about it. We've had a couple of questions about, can I import my Gnoste key to Passport so that Passport can look after it? Not yet at the moment. The key manager implementation   is purely like a deterministic generator and then storage functionality. So it's a one way thing where you get given, a new NTEC for any given index based on your, initial private key.  

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Okay. You said a lot there and cut out a few times.   What you're saying is you can create   a key for Nostra within the passport,   but you can't import 1 into the passport that you've created within an app or somewhere else. Is that right? Right now, that is absolutely correct. Yes. Okay.   Is   there still a point   to doing that   and if you're not using something like Amber   because   you're creating a   private   key effectively, but then you're sharing it on a load of Internet connected devices and loads of different apps   all over the place.  

Therefore,  

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it doesn't really matter where you've generated it. Yeah. The point here is not to keep your noster Nsec   permanently cold. Like, we just don't have the functionality for that right now because   the way that most of the work is that you paste it into an extension like Alby. You paste it into an app like Amber for then Mhmm. Other apps to access it, or you just go and paste it straight into Dalmas or to Amethyst. Yeah. Yeah. The point here is not to maintain cold storage.   It's just to generate   it deterministically   such that, you know, if you make a paper backup of it and that goes up in smoke and then somebody steals your phone and you've got no backup of your NSEC, then still got it. Yeah. You've still got it. There's another copy in your encrypted backup with passport. Right. You can regenerate it from your passport seed words, or you can just go and recover it from the passport itself if you still got access to the device. That makes sense. Fast Lion 21 on Twitter asks, and I feel like this might be bait, but I'm gonna answer it anyway. Thoughts on call card. No cop out answers.  

Also, why doesn't passport use standard double a's instead of the Nokia battery thing?   I'm gonna let you answer this one first, and no. I'm not copping out because I will give my answer after Max.   Okay. I'll, obviously, I'll answer the I'll answer the passport bit. I think, obviously, that's well within my my remit.   Oh, what am I doing? Just answering the Nokia bit. The cold card bit. Thoughts on cold card was the initial question.  

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Thoughts on cold card?   I just wish it was open source.   I've used them. I still have them.   Before Passport was available, it used to be my go to.   It's alright. I just yeah. I wish it was properly open source,   and   I wish the UX   and design was slightly better,   but there are certainly worse devices out there. I'll put it that way. Yeah. So my thoughts are pretty much the same.  

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My entire   assessment of this is based on the mark 3. Don't have mark 4. Haven't bought Q. But on the whole, yeah, I think it's a pretty cool device. If you're an advanced user that likes to do hacky shit, like Seedexor and all that crap, then, yeah, it's a cool device. Like, I think, there's definitely a lot of people that could get value in it. But I think the form factor and the UX, especially   after dealing with Passport day to day for my job. When I have to go if I ever go back to CallCard to, I don't know, do some multisig stuff or whatever,   it's it really is. Like, I hate using the CallCard now because the screen's tiny. The buttons are just not very clicky, and it just takes   me an age to find what I need to on the tiny screen in the the convoluted menu system. Mhmm. You know, there's a lot of people that love it, but that's my my personal opinion. I just think the UX is just   very much hackamond. And clearly, they're leaning into that. Like, I'm pretty sure confident that that's their intention, but, yeah, it just means I don't enjoy using the device.  



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Last time I used one was probably   a month ago or something like that, just fucking around with something. The one thing I will say for them is I did feel kind of, like, cool and, like, as if as if I was a bit hackery.   Like, I did feel like, oh, I'm doing something really cool here. It took me   2 or 3 times longer than it did on the passport,   And I was, like, a little bit worried a couple of times and a bit like, oh, am I doing the right thing and going back through the menu and stuff like that? And I had my little thing connected   with, like, a battery pack that would disconnect like a magnetic one. Don't Don't get me   started on that. I caught, like, most of the way through doing what I needed to do, and then it disconnected because I'd moved. And I was like, for fuck's sake. So that annoyed me, but I did feel kind of cool. Whereas on the passport, I feel like I could almost do it in my sleep. It's so easy. I don't have any stress and whatever, but I just feel maybe slightly less cool. So I'll throw them there. Fair enough. And also, Yale, he also asked why doesn't passport use standard double a's instead of a Nokia battery thing? 2 main re well, 3 main reasons. Number 1, double a batteries are big. Fucking connection.  

You come.  

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Sorry, mate. This is driving me fucking insane. Let me start again. They also asked why doesn't Passport use standard double a's instead of a Nokia battery thing?   There's 3 main reasons. Number 1, double a's are fucking massive, which would make the device massive.   Number 2,   whilst, like we did with the founder's edition, we can supply you with the appropriate batteries, like lithium ion ones that actually last and have a regular discharge.   We know that most customers will replace them with cheap shit, which makes the device   unstable when the batteries are anything less than 50% charged, and it just exhibits weird behavior that the device wouldn't be optimized for. And number 3, the Nokia Battery thing   is   rechargeable. It's cheaper for the user. You can just recharge it. You don't need to keep buying double a's. You don't have to go out and buy rechargeable double a's that we supply it with. It's got a good shelf life, and it's a commodity item. Like, if you use your passport every single day and the battery starts to to wear down and be less reliable, you can pick these up on Alibaba for, like, $10. Yeah. And they're everywhere.  

Not your phones are everywhere. That was intentional why we chose this battery was because we know it's a commodity item and it's easily that you don't need to come to us to get a replacement. Fair enough. Last one, RCB on Twitter. This was just this morning when I asked for some last minute questions. Sometimes I question why I do this because it get sometimes it gets some this is a great question. Don't get me wrong. But being asked it 1 hour before we record when I'm still prepping the show is probably not ideal.   Bitcoin OS claims first zero knowledge proof verified on Bitcoin main net. Bitcoin OS can enable roll up through a limited scaling of functionality on functionality on Bitcoin while keeping the base layer decentralized secure and, quote, boring as the devs say. What's the deal?  

Short answer is I don't know. This is the first I've heard of this. You know, clearly, I've heard of 0 knowledge proofs and roll ups and stuff, and that they're kind of one of the hot topics at the moment, and they show a lot of promise for scaling.   How they achieve it, what the trade offs are of it, of which I'm sure there are lots of trade offs, would be the first things that I would go out to look for.   I went on to   the the website very quickly just before we recorded just to see what information that I could kind of glean from it, and   it was very little. It seems like it's a scaler solution   using 0 knowledge proofs, but and that it, unleashes BTC,   and it allows you to do, like, smart contracts and things like that. And   if I'm being honest, it triggered my   bullshit bingo detector quite a lot.  

I did have a poke around to see if there's any token with it. It appears that there isn't. So that's a good start.   But other than that, it just seems like a standard roll ups   kind of approach to scaling Bitcoin   that I'm I'm if I'm being honest, not very knowledgeable about.   So to anybody listening to this, if you have a complex topic like this that you want me to cover in any great detail, please comment below,   on Fountain or your podcast app. Do it nice and early so I've got lots of time to do some research because, stuff like this takes much more than 10 minutes before the show. So, yeah, please please please get in touch ahead of time.  

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Yeah. Okay. So I know probably less than I did before the question was asked there, but, appreciate it nonetheless.  

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See, this is this is the high level. Like, this is the depth of my knowledge. With the Bitcoin prod with the project Bitcoin OS, you'll be able to use Bitcoin near trustlessly without relying on federated or economically secured pegs.   We're introducing cryptographically trust minimized Bitcoin, eliminating the need for intermediaries.   Developers will have the freedom to build anything permissionless   permissionlessly,   ensuring interoperability   and scalability.   Like, again, that just gets my backup straight away because it's all positives. So I liked unleashing Bitcoin. Yeah. It unleashes it, mate. Trade earn. Oh, it's got an earn section. What's this? Oh,  

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risk free yield.  

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Earn interest on my Bitcoin. And this is so to be clear, this is not Bitcoin OS. This is the website of the people that are building Bitcoin OS, and it's called Sovereign,   stake,   lend, liquidity pools. Like yeah. I'm I'm I'm   less impressed. And, again, I know I'm not necessarily saying these things are tied, but it tells you a little bit about who's behind the Bitcoin OS thing that you get with the times. Risk free yield. You gotta do it. You'd be stupid not to. You're leaving money on the table at the end of the day. Stakers earn RBTC,   borrowing fees in zed USD.  



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Yeah. I'm already triggered. Okay. Now you're finished. Bye bye.   Okay. Should we jump into the boosts? Let's do it. So where do we finish? War time is the last one.   Listening on breeze, boosting on fountain freedom. Boyaka, boyaka. Loads of guns, loads of American flags, loads of mushrooms, strong arms, and punches in the face   from Pies. Thank you, mate.  

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FOMO Metronic on fountain boosted with a 1,000 sats, and they just sent a smiley face. I think it's a winky smiley, isn't it?   Nope. It's well Just a smiley face? It's a it's a smiley face, but in between the eyes and the mouth, there is an asterisk. Yeah. That's what I was thinking. Winky smiley. Maybe it's like a special needs smiley.   You came to the right place.  

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Limon   Schlang  

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Breeze with just a rocket. Thank you. Brother Abel, terrific recap on the latest news. Brother Max is right.   He's not right about everything. That's not that's too Arceline. Arceline.  

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What? Are you gonna read the rest of it or what? That's it. Oh, it's in it's across to  

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oh, what's going on here? It's across to,   columns. So let me start again. Terrific recap on the latest news. Brother Max is right. When the children are too quiet, there's almost certainly some mischief going on. Laughing face.   Can't George screwed me there. Yeah. Yeah. He separated the the comment into 2 columns. And he does that to keep you on your toes. Expatriotic.  

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I guess I'm just a g because I bring my kids to random ass countries.   Got lucky that 0 COVID was repealed before I arrived though. Expatriotic  

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again. Indodax   is an exchange in Indonesia.   I used to I used to use, and they lost 20,000,000 worth of crypto, including 15 Bitcoin. Oh. Expatriotic,   I thought better of you. Why on earth would you use an exchange called Indodax?   Like, is that not enough to tell you not to use it?   He boosted again with Primal or Bust.   Oh, god. He's one of them. I know Primal cross platform, but I'm pretty sure he's a iOS maxi. Yeah. Yeah. He is. Definitely. And I don't know Noster, but if I did, Primal works. Well, you clearly do know, Noster, sir, if you're on primal. Yeah. He loves it. Everything else is just dog shit. Changed my mind. Damas literally just did not function.   Yeah. I've got quite a few reports to the contrary, but, again, can't speak from, experience.  



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Expose your   opinion.  

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I'm at this one. I'm at 1.5  

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speed.   RHR   1.75   or 2.0.   Odell at 1 speed is like watching paint dry. I could listen to Ungovernable Misfits on one speed, but I'm addicted to efficiency.  

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Bitcoin Boomer 12 boosted, with 500 sats. Didn't realize you read these out. Just heard you make my day, my week, my month, my life, fame at last.   Nathan Day calls me the destroyer of tech because I make all easy software go wrong, then eventually right. That sound familiar.   My type of guy. Wasn't you, was it? Are you a bit quick boomer? It's very fitting. It is. Pies are the pleb.  

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Max, you fucking cunt.   What a way to start our message.   What?   So disrespectful.   Don't disrespect   rev huddle by announcing his meetup after the fact.   And love from the swamps of dirty Jersey, boyaka boyaka,  

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and then all the guns in American and strong arms and things. He he likes an emoji, does our pies? He does. Yeah. Yeah. Love your pies. Turda boosted with a 150 sats. Listening at anything slower than 1.5x, and you sound drunk at this point since you asked  

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who says we aren't. Chad Farrow from Podverse. Just streaming a 100 sats a minute. What a a fucking guy. Yeah. What a legend.   We've also got a lot of Monero   boosts or XMR chat boosts.   2 things. What do you call them? I think we might have said this last time, but what are we actually gonna call them? Because they're not boosts. And the second thing is, what is Monero's version of sats? Is it, like, is it picos they call them? Yeah. I think it's pic picaneros or something like that. Picaneros. And and how many shorten it for picos. And how many picos are there in a Monero? Is it the same? Is it a 100,000,000?  

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Nobody knows. It's too private.   Okay.   That was my flippant way of telling you. I have no idea. Okay.  

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Okay.  

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So we've had some are we gonna say the amounts or not? Because it's so private. I don't think we should, but I will say I would I would start with the top 2 and highlight them first, but just say that it's a significant amount. Okay. So  

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we've   had some   extremely   generous,   XMR chat messages.   It's like, really, really generous. And I just wanna say thank you so much to all of you who've been sending these in. I think   out of respect for Monero's privacy, we're not gonna say the amounts.   But   doctor   Zivago   sent in a message,   finally,   you far gets   our supporting   XMR, the true freedom money. Good luck with focusing on the program.   Incredibly generous   message and,   picots.   It really helps us to push this thing forward and help us with everything we're doing. So we really, really do appreciate that. And another one from Seth for privacy.   Loving the new biweekly format and especially love that y'all are fellow listen at one x speed podcast people.  

Keep up the amazing work. Yours is the only Bitcoin centric pod in the space I listen to on the regular, and then a little salute. Well, salute to you too, mate. And,   again,   very, very generous.   I keep wanna call it boost. What are we calling it?  

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I think we should ask the audience. What are we gonna call a Monero boost? Let's let's Yeah.  

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We can be the ones to dub, give it its name. Can I just suggest something that's come to me? Oh, gosh. What about a whisper? Because it's all, like, private and secretive.   Sounds a bit gay. It's a bit creepy as well, which I quite like. Yeah. There might be a better one. To everyone,   a massive thanks, but especially to you 2 who sent in just,   yeah, very, very, very generous   amounts. Thank you so much.  

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Absolutely.   Let's round these off. The privacy designer, congrats on taking the leap of faith. Wishing you the best, and thank you for the podcast. I listened to all the episodes since 2022 while solo hiking in the Alps.   I love hearing shit like that.   That's so cool, ain't it? The fact that somebody would be hiking in such a beautiful part of the world and then listening to me and you rabbit on about things. Rambling.   Yeah. Yeah.  

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Wild. So jams a lot. Is Max actually Ricky Gervais? Question mark.  

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I'm curious   what prompted this question.  

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Just probably because we're both so good looking. Really funny.   Yeah. I love Ricky Gervais. I've seen him live a couple of times. I do like him. Never seen him live, though. It's very good. Liked his,  

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he didn't   did go to the Oscars and tore everybody everyone apart. Oh my god. And he never asked to come back. Yeah. I've seen that's yeah. I've seen that one. He's fucking a beaut there were some faces in the audience that were really not impressed.  

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Yeah. If anyone hasn't seen that, it is well worth 10 minutes of your time.  

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Anon has,   XMR boosted.   Name TBC. Hope you guys can cover some Monero content occasionally. Stay ungovernable.  

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Well, hopefully, we have in this episode.   Indeed. Carter,   free samurai.   Cheers to the misfits,   and shout out to the dads.   Thank you, Carter. Again, all, like, all of these have been   unbelievably generous.  

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We really, really do appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah. Last one from Smoke. At the bottom of every rabbit hole, you'll find Monero.   A dual coin approach to living in a techno   kleptocracy   is the cheat code. This is something the laser eyes will never understand.   Shout out to Dredd and ArkaType.   Props   as always to Max and Q. Thank you, Smoke. Yeah. Thank you, May. Big supporter of the show.  

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Wow. Amazing to see all the messages and boosts and   whispers.  

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Oh god. Please please comment below so that we don't have to call them whispers.  

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But, yeah, seriously, it's been   pretty incredible ever since leaving Fiat and, trying to do this full time to see the support. It it really is, amazing to see. What about I just had a name come to me. Go on. What about if somebody leaves as a Monero?   A Monero?   Oh.  

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It's like a multiple multilayer play on words there. They wrote to us, Monetrote.   It's rhymes with notes. They left us a note. And they Monetrote it to us? Yeah. So I'll see if you can beat that, guys. That's the smartest thing you've ever said. There you go. I can go to my grave, a happy man. And I might actually be on my way to my grave, so it's a good time.  

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Well,   I'm gonna let you die in peace, mate. I'm gonna start editing out the   100 times that your VPN has dropped.  

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And coughs and sniffles. Yeah. It's gonna be this this one might be out by 2026,   guys. Yeah. So apologies for the wait. Thanks again to everyone,  

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and we will catch you in 2 weeks. Love you all. Free samurai. Free samurai.