A monthly show where Max and Seth take a trip down memory lane to see what happened in the last 4 weeks of Monero.
General
Obscura VPN adds Monero support
Monerokon folks release XMRpos
Monero v0.18.4.3 released
General
Obscura VPN adds Monero support
- https://x.com/obscuravpn/status/1985363499208368134
- Absolutely fantastic VPN with a novel, dual-entity model
- https://monero.observer/mymonero-to-shut-down-january-6-2026/
- Jan 6 2026: MyMonero service completely offline
- Feb 6 2026: All MyMonero data permanently destroyed
Monerokon folks release XMRpos
- https://github.com/MoneroKon/XMRpos
- A new PoS-focused Monero app, making it easier for in-person merchants to accept Monero payments
- Android-only for now
- With printer support for receipts!
- https://skylight.magicgrants.org/
- No default LWS server, have to use your own
- Built on Flutter, using Cake's library for Monero, vtnerd's LWS library, and Cypher Stack's Arti/Tor library
- https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/620
- Preview: https://getmonero-redesign-impl.vercel.app/
- Still early, not clear if it will be approved by the community or deployed over the existing website
Monero v0.18.4.3 released
- https://monero.observer/monero-v0.18.4.3-fluorine-fermi-released/
- Important upgrade to further combat malicious spy nodes on the Monero network
- Makes it much harder for a bad actor to spin up many spy nodes in a single subnet and be effective
- Run your own node!
- https://blog.cakewallet.com/your-cake-wallet-just-got-a-serious-upgrade-trezor-bitbox-base-the-look-youve-been-asking-for/
- MONERO ORANGE IS BACK!!!
- Initial Trezor support, Monero support via Trezor coming later
- https://codeberg.org/acx/monfluo
- Fork of a fork of a fork, originally based off of Monerujo
- Android-only, Monero-only wallet
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(00:00) INTRO
(01:13) Daylight Savings Woes
(02:51) Plan B Forum Recap
(08:14) Obscura Adds Native Monero Payments
(14:57) MAGIC Releases Skylight
(18:09) MoneroTopia Returns to Mexico City
(22:30) Point of Sale in Monero: XMR POS
(27:29) Getmonero.org Redesign via CCS
(30:06) Monero 0.18.4.3 is Dealing With Spy Nodes
(34:01) New Expatriotic Monero Node Guide
(34:32) Different Options for Node Running
(41:41) Cake Making Node Hardware??
(44:06) Cake Wallet v5.5: Monero Orange Returns
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Unknown:
The business will fall victim to a ransomware attack every last seconds, eleven seconds. I am investigator investigator investigator. And I work supporting Our agenda for today, we're gonna start with just the basics of Monero. What it is, what it is, how it works, how it works. Monero is considered a privacy token.
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The world's most private
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privacy. Which means that in high, virtually all transaction details are exchanged. The world's most private
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privacy. Good morning, Seth. An hour later, my mistake.
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Daylight savings time is the devil. When will we be rid of this? Overthrow our surveillance overlords, and with them, we'll get rid of daylight savings time. Oh, that'd be nice, wouldn't it? It fucked us up on Friday as well. Yeah. I I got to do it twice too because I was in Lugano for the plan b forum conference. Mhmm. They did daylight savings time while I was there, and then I got back home. And then we did daylight savings time a week later. Because why would everyone change at the same time? Why not do it at different times? Make it even more confusing.
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So Make life harder. Let's do that.
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Exactly. What are governments for if not making life harder and more inefficient?
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So Yeah. It's literally that. It's funny actually because where I am in the world, it's a little bit behind if you look at it in a government way, but then, actually, it makes it a little bit better. And someone was saying to me the other day, I was like, yeah. You know, I might think about doing, like, a small buy to let or something like that. I might do, like, something because my missus wants to, like, do some type of work. And I was like, okay. Maybe we could do this. They're like, yeah. Yeah. Well, they're bringing out these new guidelines and regulations for holiday let. So, you know, it'd be good because there'll be some there's all the words that you hate, like clarity, like, things like that. And I was like, yeah. You know what? Fuck that.
They get involved. They ruin everything.
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Uh-huh. Sometimes their advantages to, like, smaller, more backwards is kind of a too negative a term, but less, progressive governments. Oh, for sure. They can be nice, but they can also be a pain in the ass. So you can do both sides. Yeah. That's right. When you were in Logano, was there any Monero talk, or was it all
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Bitcoin
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only stuff? I expected it to be all Bitcoin only, but it's same thing as last year. People immediately wanted to talk about Monero. Last year, I had Jameson Lop front row, ask him an arrow question, and spent most of the q and a time in my keynote talking about Monero. And then this year, had a panel on privacy with a bunch of guys, some I get along with, some I don't get along with in the the Bitcoin space. Who was it? Was it Odell and that Italian bloke? Giacomo.
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Giacomo.
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Who else was on there? It was Max Hillebrand from, I guess, x Wasabi. Now he's doing Yeah. White noise, the new kinda chat app, but ex wasabi. And then rockstar dev as well. Two terrible projects. I I think white noise is interesting. Like, the cryptography is really cool. I know we're going on a tangent here, but the the use of Gnoster for all of the server side stuff, I think, is very odd. Like, Nostra is notoriously bad for privacy and reliability and discoverability.
[00:03:55] Unknown:
Three things that you want. I don't think it's odd at all. If you look at the VC funding, I bet it ties back to some Nostra heavy investment. Yeah. So you just throw a nostril in there. You're like, oh, well, you know, you gotta keep the VCs happy. Well, let let's throw some nostril in there. That will keep them happy. Even if it's a bad decision, we'll just do that. That'll be my guess. Until you get the Jack money. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's all the rage. Jack, if you're listening, I fucking love Nostra. We'll Nostra it up over here. Just just throw some stats our way. Some picos our way. Sorry. It's the Monero show. Nostra monthly is replacing Monero monthly.
Never. Well, there's probably a number, Jack. Just hit me up. But unless it's a big number, it it will never happen. We have principles up until a certain limit. Right? Yeah. Everyone does. Yeah.
[00:04:45] Unknown:
So there was some talk. What was the general vibe then? Was it, like, more than last year or, like, again, just like a I always think Jameson's never been, like, a maxi maxi type, has he? He's he's always No. No. That doesn't surprise me too much. Yeah. He's always been pretty chill. I mean, that one was surprising just because, like, I knew he was a Monero fan and had used it, but I didn't expect him to, like, take the time to ask him an arrow focused question when I wasn't talking about more. That was really cool that last year. I mean, this year like, at those kinds of things, I'd I'm not a Monero Maxi. I'm not a Monero evangelist. I'm not trying to convince people to use Monero, but I do love having conversations about it. And especially when I'm invited to speak at a, like, Bitcoin only thing, I'm not gonna push the envelope too much. But yeah. I mean, like, two minutes into the panel, Giacomo brought up that I'm a Monero guy. And, basically, that Monero is not bad, and they overlook my Monero side to let me in on the on the Bitcoin side. That's really good of them. That's so sweet.
It is. It is. It's gracious. It's gracious. Well, Giacomo is one of the few people that actually calls Monero shitcoin, but he thinks it's a good shitcoin because he has a weird expansive view of what the term shitcoin means to basically include anything that's not Bitcoin even if it's good, which don't Okay. Ask me how that makes sense. But Yeah. That's a random It was a good little discussion. They ragged on cake wallet for supporting other stuff too, but good Monero stuff that we talked about on stage. And then afterwards, talked to a bunch of people about Monero, some closet Bitcoiners who man, I wanna name names, but I'll I'll be kind. Love Monero, use Monero all the time, and want to see it more heavily used by Bitcoiners with ideas on how to do that. Like, what a type of cake wallet would look like that was focused on Monero, Bitcoin, and lightning all in one. Like Ugh. Yeah. Lots of good discussions around that. So as always, there is a heavy emphasis need and usage of Monero by Bitcoiners even when you're at these, like, hardcore Bitcoin only things. So it's encouraging, annoying, of course, that more people won't talk about that publicly, but I understand for some of them for OPSEC reasons. They wanna keep things close to the chest. But for others, I think they just don't wanna be crucified by the the Bitcoin only cabal. I think it's for most people, it's that. It's just, like, fear of
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you know, like, it's like they're in with their little cool set, and, you know, they don't wanna disrupt that. It's like if you really like a film and you're, like, at school and you're in with the cool kids and they're like, oh, yeah. That film is really shit. Oh, yeah. We don't like that. You'd be like, oh, I don't really wanna say I like it then. It's like that kind of thing. It's like, I don't wanna, like, step out of line here. And, also, like, a lot of the people just don't actually use cryptocurrency. I think, genuinely, I don't think that the majority of the people that squawk on Twitter actually use it. They're not people who are, like, spending every day and making payments every day and tinkering every day. They're just they've bought some. They hold it. They have a fear that there's something else. And rather than seeing it as, like, this is additive and it's useful to work with it, They just kind of, like, fearfully just shout into the void, and I think people just get scared of that, which is fair enough.
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For sure. And, I mean, I think those people that do actually use it use crypto generally, like Bitcoin and other things. Yeah. Almost all of them have used Monero or do use Monero. Because it's just I mean, it's ubiquitous for a reason. It's fantastically useful, and most merchants that accept Bitcoin or Lightning accept Monero. So why not dabble in it and and play with it a bit? I've been using it so much more, like, pretty much every day now. And I've seen that there's now
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the option for obscure VPN to make payments with that. I think you mentioned it, like, maybe a couple of shows ago with me and Q. Oh, yeah. It was. It was when we were doing the Freedom Tech Friday, and we were saying, oh, can you pay for it using cryptocurrency? And you said, yeah. But it's just lightning only at the moment or something like that, but I'm working on them. You obviously schmoozed them well. They
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have understood the desire for it for a long time. I've been talking to Carl, the the founder, since before he launched the service, a long time user myself, again, since before the service actually publicly launched. And so, like, he he's been aware of that for a while, but as soon as they launched a way for people to ask for features, as soon as they launched it and said, hey. What else would you like to see? They just got overwhelmed with Monero requests, which is not surprising. I mean, it's a privacy preserving service that accepts crypto. Like, Monero just seems like the no brainer next step. So it's been planned for a while, but, obviously, they're a small team, very engineering focused on the VPN side. So it took them some time to add it. But, yeah, they added it and not in, like, hacky sketchy way that Proton did where they pretended that they added accepting Monero, but they just accepted Monero through gift cards that someone else sells, which was, an annoying turn of events on the Proton side. But Obscura did it, like, really well. It seems like a bespoke implementation that's a native part of their UI and everything Really nicely done. Just lets you just like with Bitcoin or Lightning, you just choose the amount of months or years you wanna top up for your account. Choose Monero as the option. You get a pop up with a QR with the amount and everything. You move along with your life. It's dead simple. It looks really nice. Very nice. And they're a a fantastic, like, novel dual entity model VPN that that, like I said, I've been using for a long time now, a year and a half, maybe, something like that. It's your preference, isn't it? It is. Yeah. It is. I mean, they're still a little bit Apple centric on the client side. I know that they've been rolling out more and more client support, and that's, like, their main thing that they're working on right now is adding support for Android and more desktop operating systems. But they have a a WireGuard config generator. So if you're willing to use the WireGuard apps, you can use it on any platform quite easily. That's yeah. That just that works beautifully. Their client, specifically, it works really well with Tailscale, which is another, like, constant usage thing for me on the self hosting side.
And they're just also really based, really awesome guys. So it's a it's a good team behind it. I'm gonna have to,
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move over from Mullvad at some point. I think that the snag was just the usability when you have multiple devices. And if you're not that technical, I think it was like, maybe wait. So as soon as they do make it, like, simple or a little bit more simple for me, and I compare Monero, that would be my go to. I do like, now I just look for if I compare Monero, it is a no brainer. I will always use that as a preference, and then it's lightning after that, but it's, just so much better.
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Yeah. It was really no brainer that it would be added, and it's just just so smooth. So I'm definitely excited for them to add more client support. They already are my go to and recommendation for those who are willing to do the WireGuard configurator or have a native app that they can use. But once they have support on all the other platforms, I just I don't really see why anyone would use anything else on the VPN side. It's that good. Well, shout out Obscura. That is very nice to hear. Yeah. Glad to see that come out, and the Monera community, obviously, pleased with that on Twitter as well. Let's get rolling into some more general updates. That's a good segue into the obscure one there, Max. You're a speed operator over there. The rest of the general updates. So we actually have a good few today. Not as many software updates, but general updates, a lot has happened over the last month. We are recording this a little bit later than normal, so it's November 4, but I'm trying to keep things October centric when possible. But the first thing is something that people probably had noticed. It went live or the announcement went live at the October.
But my Monero, one of the, like, OG Monero wallets from the very early days, is shutting down. They're handing the reins over actually two k wallet. We bought them and and their assets as part of this, but they were already sunsetting their service. They hadn't pushed app updates in two years. This was always the plan for them to shut down, but wanted to smooth that transition. The main things to keep in mind so my Monero was a light wallet, which in the Monero world, that means that if you used my Monero, your wallet would send your view key over to My Monero servers, and all of the sync would happen on My Monero side. So they would get visibility into all your transactions, but you would get that kind of instant Bitcoin like sync experience, which I understand some people are okay with that trade off. You still have good privacy from third party observers even if you don't from my Monero. But, obviously, there are some some major downsides to that. I mean, one is that it provides a kind of honeypot is not the right word, but it provides a a useful amount of data if someone were to steal those view keys or someone were to law enforcement or others were to request that and get insight into all of the usage on those view keys, especially if that became, like, an overwhelmingly common use case or usage of Monero. If the vast majority of Monero users were using it and a single entity got access to those view keys, it could be detrimental for those users' privacy, but also generally for other Monero users' privacy. So they were wanting to wind things down. Cake Wallet, obviously, were doing things all as a we don't have, like, clear terminology. I guess, just we're, like, a full wallet where you're gonna connect to a node. You're gonna download the parts of the blocks that you need to download and check for your transactions, and then you do all that locally. So it's maximally privacy preserving. The main things for those who have used My Monero in the past, one, those view keys are never being handed over to k Wallet. They're not leaving My Monero servers. We don't want them. We never wanted them. So we won't get access to any of that user data very intentionally.
And then My Minerals themselves are going to delete all of that data a month after the My Minerals service goes offline. So they're slated to shut down the service on January 6. So your My Minerals will stop syncing, but you can still get your seed freeze out of the My Minerals apps on January 6, and then they'll delete all of that data on February 6. So you, again, still be able to open the app and get your seed phrase out, but it won't synchronize after that January 6 date. Okay. Sounds good. Do you know how many uses they have? It's a little hard to tell exactly. It seems like they were somewhere in the order of 50 to a 100,000 users. Okay. That's pretty big. Yeah. So not small, and that's even with them. Like I said, not really doing a whole lot on the app side over the last few years. So Mhmm. It seems like they still had a reasonable user base. Those users, obviously, they're being recommended to move to Cake Wallet, but they can move to Monero Show or another option that we'll actually talk about a little bit later in the that's a good transition. Another option that's just being announced from the Magic Grant's people, which is a light wallet server or a light wallet wallet that doesn't work.
[00:15:06] Unknown:
Light wallet wallet.
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I'm not gonna butcher it that bad. A light wallet app. There we go. A light wallet app that kind of can act as a replacement for my Monero. So magic grants are a man, I keep wanting to say open source. The financial version of open source, a nonprofit. Okay. Yeah. A nonprofit who have collected and and handle donations to help fund things within the Monero ecosystem. They wanted to launch their own light wallet as kind of a replacement or transition for My Monero. It's called Skylight. It does not have a default LWS server, so you would have to connect it to your own server, and you'd have to run it yourself, which right now is not super easy. But we're gonna also implement light wallet support at k Qualit. And when we do, we'll have docs on how to actually run the server side yourself. But they've launched this initial app. It's very early, but they're on Android right now planning to be on iOS down the line just in public beta at the moment. But that could be an option for people that wanna transition to that. Obviously, alongside cake, alongside Monero show, alongside
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desktop apps like Feather or the main GUI. If you are my Monero user, lots of good options there. Yeah. Feather's desktop, is it desktop only though, isn't it? It is. Yep. Yeah. And that's the one way you I remember having to use that when I was setting up BTCPay. Jordan helped me with this, so I might get the terminology wrong, but I had to, like, get a view key or something, and I couldn't get that from the wallet that I was using. And then I had to use feather to be able to export that and put that into BTCPay. Pay. Was that a view key? So it's a kind of similar. It's view only wallet files, so it's like everything you need for a view only wallet, including the actual wallet cache. In theory, you could just do it with a view key, but the way the actual underlying
[00:16:50] Unknown:
Monero and BDC pay software works, you can't just paste in a view key for it to function properly. That would be a good improvement. But, yeah, right now, you need those view only wallet files, which Mhmm. As far as I know, only feather can generate. Maybe the Monero GUI can. You can't in cake wallet, but that's, like, such an advanced and non mobile use case. We haven't focused on that, but we'd like to add that down the line. But, yeah, Feather works well for that. That's what I've always recommended. Yeah. Because I'd generated or created a wallet using Cake.
[00:17:17] Unknown:
And then when I was setting up, I was like, I can't see how to do this thing. And then Jordan was like, oh, yeah. You've gotta use Feather. And I was like, why have you gotta use Feather? He's like, oh, it's just the only one you can use. So I guess maybe it's a bit like desktop wallet wise the same with Sparrow. It's just like you don't have the same functionality in I don't think any mobile wallet as you do with Sparrow.
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Yeah. I mean, there's just there's no mobile users who would need to export view only files that you can't use on mobile in any way. So it's just one of those things that's gonna be a little bit more on the advanced side and not as important to have there. Like, obviously, you can get out your view keys and stuff in Cake Wallet, but it's a a feather only thing. They have a lot of more advanced functionality that we do wanna add in as well. Yeah. If you're a MyAdmin user, make sure to migrate ASAP. January 6, your app will stop working, but you can still get the seed out. So definitely do that promptly. But try to give people plenty of time to to migrate over. Yeah. Do that in January before packing your bags and getting ready for Monero Topia
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back in Mexico City. Is that what, the third in a row now?
[00:18:19] Unknown:
At least second in Mexico City. Moneritopia, I think this might be the fourth Moneritopia overall. It was in Mexico City last year, but I hadn't been for the couple years before that. So, yeah, it's it's back in the exact same venue, same location as last year for anybody who is there in Mexico City. Last year, it's gonna be the February 12 through the fifteenth. So multiple days. Expect there to be great Monero accepting vendors there again. All the food and drinks will be able to be paid in Monero. Great speakers all throughout. Doug does a good job of curating who goes and speaks and attends. I'm sure we'll be there at s cake, I'm sure, because we are we're sponsoring and everything like we always do. Excited for that. Definitely make it out there. It's a very different type of conference. Like, they do have the normal, like, conference, hear people speak on stage thing, but there's always a bit of an unconference feel to it with, like, workshops on the side with those vendors that accept Monero. It just it has kind of a a different feel than most of your crypto Bitcoin Monero conferences and a little less technical than MoneroCon. So it's a fun one. Yeah. Good. The whole I know you've just been on the panel, so I don't have to shit the panels too much. But, like I know. Watch yourself. Going to just sit and listen to people talk that you can kind of catch up on a podcast anyway,
[00:19:30] Unknown:
I think you're missing the most important bit, which is connecting with other people. Yep. Having those one on one or small group conversations that you just can't have on stage, getting some good food and drinks and bits and pieces. Like, you know, I haven't been to many conferences, but that's the bit that I really love. Like, I never find myself wanting to go and sit for, like, an hour listening to people speak, particularly.
[00:19:54] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, I even tell people that when I'm at conferences. Prioritize the conversations with people. That's the most valuable piece of it. I'll definitely go to, like, panels or presentations by friends or by people I wanna support. Mhmm. But the vast majority of the time that stuff is recorded, and you can just watch it later. The more important thing would be grab time even grabbing time with the speakers. Like, maybe go to their presentation if you're interested, but focus on grabbing time with the speaker to chat with them if you have more specific questions. Like, that's definitely the value in these things. So I think that's the thing to focus on if you are gonna go to any conferences.
[00:20:26] Unknown:
One of the best conferences I went to was, like, it's called Bitcoin Beach Retreat in Wales. Like, it was the first conference they've done their conference. Like, everyone camps out and everyone's, like, there by the fire and stuff. And, it was, like, me, open arms, and, like, four others, like, sat just looking out at the sea, and he was just, like, teaching us how to do coin control and do something in the command line and do all this, like, technical stuff. We were just sat there just having a beer going through it with him. Nice. And I was like, that was the best. That was that was perfection.
[00:21:01] Unknown:
Yeah. We need more of that, honestly. Yeah. These these smaller conferences, more personal, more focused on community, more focused on circular economy. Those are the value add for people for sure. Like, they get too big, and they they get out of hand. They get a little more corporate and more tradify and a little bit less, less Cypherpunk, less interesting. So I definitely agree. You're saying they have to, like, street food vendors there.
[00:21:22] Unknown:
Obviously, all can pay in Monero. Is it like little stands and stuff like that? Yeah. So last year, they had
[00:21:28] Unknown:
four or five different food or drink stands all with kind of within the the so the venue's weird. It's, like, it's open air. It's like a garden almost. Maybe garden's not the right word, but, like, farm type of garden. Like, one for, like, actually growing vegetables and stuff with, like, a dome area where all the presentations are, and then the rest is just open air. All the food vendors were on kind of one side in the open air next to some seating. And then they had all of the, like, shop vendors in another open air area beside that. You could just walk through and get your food and then walk directly through all the vendors and see what they were selling directly from Monero. But, yeah, they had a few different stalls. Best one last year for sure was, like, a steak stall, basically, with a bunch of different kinds of steak, chorizo sausage, like, really, really good stuff that you could get made into tacos or or get straight with good sauces on top. It was yeah. It was badass. And, of course, you're paying with Manero, so it's even more satisfying. And now they could pay with the point of sale thing that I was reading through somewhere in the notes. Yeah. I'm curious if we'll end up using that this year at Monero Topia. So the the folks behind Monero Con, which is more technical Monero conference that normally happens every year. So I think we talked about it on the last Monero monthly. If we didn't, then this will serve as your PSA. But MoneroCon twenty twenty six is canceled, but they'll be back in 2027.
Yeah. I think I'm pretty sure we touched on that. But Yeah. But the people behind that conference have wanted a better point of sale system to use with Monero. And so they built out XMR POS, which is a a new point of sale focused Monero app. It's solely aimed at merchants who want to accept Monero in person. The goal being it to be something that you install on one of the, like, Android phone POS systems that are really common. Like, BTC pay guys use these kinds of things all the time, but it's basically like an Android phone with a printer attached. And this is designed to be used in the same way. It is Android only for now. It has that printer support, so you can actually print out receipts and QR codes for payments. And looks pretty sweet. I I haven't actually used it yet, but it looks nice. They built out a whole back end with it as well for you to do vendor management and everything. But it's looking pretty good. So I'm curious if if they'll use that. Last year, we just used kWallet. I mean, these spinners don't don't need anything fancy. So they just use the receive screen where you can type in the fiat amount, and it automatically adds the crypto amount into the QR.
So we might just stick with that, but I'm definitely curious to try out the XMR POS thing, especially if you have a more, like, a little bit more complex usage. It has a lot of good functionality in there. So it's pretty sweet. The alternate that people can use too, and I got a lot of shit for pushing back on the initial idea of the XMR POS thing because of this. But PTC pay already has Monero support and has its own POS interface that you can just reach from a link. You can set up the POS to list specific items and everything. And, of course, since BTC pay supports Monero, you can use it as well. That's another option for people, especially if you don't want it to be Monero only. You would have to use BTC pay instead of this. But But if you do want it to be Monero only and want it to be a little bit more focused on that, XMR POS is a an awesome new option. So it seems like it's making really good progress and growing, so I'm excited to see it. Very nice. Well, that's good to hear. That's nice. Because, yeah, otherwise, it is BTCPay
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or I'm sure there's one other, isn't there? I think it was Jordan talking about another one. Bitcart.cc? Hold on. It could be that. He really doesn't like BTCPay, so he was talking about something else. He's like, oh, fucking hell. I'm having a nightmare with this. There's this other one that's better, and I can't remember what it was. So there's bitkart.ai.
[00:24:56] Unknown:
I thought it was .cc. I don't know if this is the same thing. Let Let me see. If it has some Manera support, it should be it. Yeah. I think it's this BitCart. It's like it's supposed to be a simplified, like, slimmed down version of BTCPay that I've I've heard good things about. I haven't actually used it yet, but I've heard good things. It does have Manera support. It's obviously all open source as well and has Bitcoin and Lightning and other things supported. So that seems like a good option.
[00:25:21] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, BCP, I've always found it a little bit clunky and frustrating to use, but then I'm not that technical, obviously. But then I have appreciated that they added the Monero support, and I know you said they'd done a load of work that needed doing and throwing their resources at that. So I was like, that's kind of cool. But I don't know. It it still feels to me if you're saying like, oh, we're gonna have everyone be able to use Bitcoin and Monero and these cryptocurrencies and just tell someone to run BTCPay and, like, accept payments. It's like you know, it's it's why that when Square came out and was like, oh, yeah. We're gonna do, merchant payments. It's like, well, that is something that you can get behind. You genuinely can't tell a normal person go and run BTC pay server and run your own node and do this stuff. It's not like a one click install simple thing. I wish it was. Maybe it could be one day. Maybe some one of the other options that we've mentioned can be.
[00:26:20] Unknown:
There are a lot of good options for it being one click if you don't accept Monero or some other cryptocurrencies that require a little bit more advanced usage. That's the main downside, but there are ways you can spin up BTCPay in one click on, like, Luna node and a couple other of those kind of hosting providers that their goal is letting you one click install certain software. Yeah. But it's the Monero piece right now that makes a little bit complex. But, hopefully, the the ongoing work from Monero community people like Devrick will improve the Monero side on BTC pay to make it possible on those. I'm not sure. Not sure how feasible that is, but it'd be good. Okay. Yeah. It would be nice. Because you're right. I mean, it's it's very much, like, all of these POS system approaches for Bitcoin, Monero, etcetera. They're very much targeted at, like, the more hardcore person. Like, as much as we they have gotten much better. They're greatly improved, but most merchants, a, don't want to actually have the crypto at the end of the day. Like, they want fiat. Then you can't really do that simply with any of these solutions, But they also just don't have the technical acumen to do this. So these are fantastic options for the more hardcore people, for these in person conferences, that sort of thing. The square thing on the Bitcoin side is pretty badass. I'm hoping that picks up steam.
Yeah. So last general update, and this one's just I wanted to keep an eye on. There's been a few of these proposed over the years that I've been in Monero, and none of them have stuck. But there's another redesign proposed for the getmonero.org website. Someone's posted a a CCS request trying to raise funding to build out every design for getmonero.org. It seems promising. Pretty good pretty good look overall. We'll have the link to preview it and the link to the the CCS request itself in the the show notes, but I'm curious if this will make any progress. Like many things in the Monero and crypto community in general, I just kinda don't believe it until I see it actually happen. But if you are interested to see how that goes, if you have feedback, things specifically that you can't stand or think need to be improved on the current getmonero.org website, there's a chance to get some feedback in for that CCS, and and we'll see if it actually ends up going live. But it's looking pretty promising so far. Stupid question.
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What is CCS?
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Have you been listening to our Monero monthlies?
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That's Max. Clearly clearly not. I was like, is he saying CSS? What's CCS?
[00:28:36] Unknown:
I can understand the confusion. I'm not afraid to sound stupid. I mean, it definitely also sounds like a web dev thing. So Yeah. CCS is the community crowdfunding system, which is the the way that people can raise Monero from the Monero community. Right. Okay. Make a proposal, ask for a certain amount of Monero. There's a discussion time where everybody gets a chance to chime in on, like, should this thing actually be put forward for funding? And then if it is, it it goes forward into needs funding, and people can donate Monero directly to that cause. It's been a good system over the years. It's not not flawless, but it's been a good system over the years. So, yeah, CCS community crowdfunding system.
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I slapped my hand. I'll, I'll write that on my arm so I remember for next month. Clearly, you haven't been doing your forty hours per week. I know. Pathetic.
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Plus, rolling software updates. Just three for y'all today. There are some other smaller ones. I know we kinda started out Monero monthly where I was going over, like, literally every software update in the Monero space, but I was boring myself. So I can't imagine that I was not boring the audience. So we've slimmed down a little bit. I'm trying to only do the either ones that we haven't talked about in a while or ones that actually have a significant update. Yeah. So we'll keep this section slimmed down a little bit. But Yeah. For those of you listening, if you wanted to know about that dot one point release of obscure software, I'm happy to do it if the people want it. Send a boost in and ask us. We'll do it on the next one. There you go. Again, for enough money, we'll do anything.
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Oh, yeah.
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On that note, biggest update for this month, Monero version zero dot 18 dot four dot three was released. So this one, no major, like, user facing changes. This isn't FCMP. This isn't some huge upgrade, but what it is is, another important step towards combating malicious spy nodes on the network. So we've talked about this a little bit over past Monero monthlies, but there have been entities for years and years now, essentially, running malicious nodes on the Monero peer to peer network, trying to learn information about Monero users. Some of this seems like it's been done by chain surveillance companies, Chainalysis, in particular, in the leaked video that came out maybe, like, a year ago or something.
Talked about how their primary and most useful way to gather information about Monero transactions was these malicious nodes that users had connected to. So we know that they've been doing it. There's some reasons to suspect that nation states or at least a very advanced actor called Linking Lion has been running malicious Monero nodes as well as malicious Bitcoin nodes. That's something that came out, I think, probably about two years ago now where this entity was running malicious nodes trying to find the source of transactions in the Bitcoin and Monero networks, and it's the same entity running both. So those are just two of the known entities that are doing this. It's very likely there are others, but the goal of these spy nodes is twofold. Either that you would connect to them and try to actually sync your wallet with them, which can reveal things like the last time you synced, what wallet height you were at. If you're restoring a wallet, it could leak the birthday, like, the the Genesis date roughly of that wallet. Then when you're transmitting a transaction and you're not using VPN or Tor, if you're connected to one of these malicious nodes, you could be obviously revealing your source IP address with that transaction ID. Now, thankfully, in Monero, you are still keeping the sender, receiver, and amount hidden. All of that is computed and created on your, your local device that's not done with the nodes. So so all that stays private, but it still reveals more information than, obviously, you want. So that's one thing where they try to get you to connect to them directly. But the other one is that they try to spin up a ton of Monero Nodes throughout the Monero peer to peer network and try to become the vast majority so that when a transaction is being propagated across the Monero network through the the Dandelion plus plus protocol that I'm sure we've also talked about before. If they're the vast majority of the nodes or, like, 90% of the nodes or something, they could make reasonable guesses as to what the source node of that transaction ID is or at least the first node that was used to broadcast it. So So those are the two things they try to do. Both of those are possible because the Monero peer to peer network, just like Bitcoins, just like any good cryptocurrency, is permissionless, decentralized, and doesn't require anything to be able to join it. And you can just spin up a new node. But, obviously, there are some protections to try to stop someone from just spinning up a thousand nodes behind a single IP address or something like that. This update specifically makes it harder for a single entity to spin up a lot of nodes within the same subnet and add some better protection to catch when that's happening and to essentially just automatically ban those nodes and not allow your node or the node that you're using. Like, let's say you use Cake Wallet and you use our default node. We're running eighteen dot four dot three already, so that means that our nodes are gonna be automatically banning and preventing these nodes from connecting to our node and thus learning any information about your transaction. So those are a long way to say this is something you as a user should not notice, but it just means that you have even better privacy from a network level privacy perspective than you had before, and it's just kind of an an ongoing battle to harden and improve Monero. And on top of that, just a reminder to run your own node. That's the winner for everybody.
It is. Absolutely. Yeah. That solves the first of those things that these nodes are trying to do, which is get you to connect directly to them. If you're running your own node, you're connecting to your own node. You don't have to worry about that at all. You have much better protection. So definitely recommend that we have a an extra more chat that we'll read about this later, but I'll go ahead and chill x patriotic. He's got a great guide that he just launched at xpatriotic.me/monero that helps you to run a Monero node in a little bit more advanced of a way. And then I have a node on my my website, seth privacy dot com. I have a node. I have a guide on my website. So many words. I have two, one that does a little a little more advanced way similar to Expatriotic, and then one that uses Docker to simplify the setup a little bit. But there's also a lot of other ways to run a note at this point too. There's a GUI that you can run on your computer if you wanna run it on a desktop or laptop. There's a lot of good options now, but definitely run a node. It's not maybe as necessary as it is in Bitcoin from a privacy perspective, but it is still good and helps to protect you against a lot of the potential attacks that are out there by malicious entities trying to run nodes. Yeah. And I'm also not generally one for, like, protect the network. It's your job to run a node for that reason. Like, you should do it in a selfish way,
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but it does also help the network. It does help prevent these type of attacks and things like that. It is better to do it. So it's not that difficult. And I'm guilty of it myself. Like, since moving, I'm not running one. I kept having a load of problems on start nine. I was like, I kept running one on there and then it would sync and then it would just completely fucking destroy everything on that computer. And I never really got to the bottom of why it had happened, but I put it down. So I was like, oh, it's obviously just me, like, being an idiot. I've done something wrong. And then Black Coffee was like, oh, yes. Done the same to me twice. And I'm like, okay. He's not an idiot. Like, there's obviously something wrong here. So I don't know if that's something that's been fixed, but, you know, for people who listen to this show, a lot of them are gonna be Bitcoin and Monero users. And, like, if they are maybe on the less technical side like me, which I know a lot of the listeners are, what would be the go to for you? Like, I know you've written your guide, ex patriots. It's got his guide. Is there, like, a node in a box or a one click kind of simple that they can put on a start nine or a not really umbrella, but, you know, one of these kind of prepackaged things?
[00:36:14] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, the note in the box should be a good solution. Like you said, it seems like there's been some issues with that. That is the end goal that all of these node in the box systems allow you to run a Monero node on them. Some have been more open to that than others. Some are a little bit more, like, Bitcoin only or not as open source and and easy to build around. So, unfortunately, it's not as straightforward as we'd like it to be. Definitely, we'll continue to work on improving that. I mean, for many users, you could get by with just running it on your desktop or laptop and forwarding that one port so that you can connect to it remotely. That works pretty well. It's really not that complex to spin up a VPS and run it on someone else's server. It's not crazy once you just get over that initial hurdle, and these guides will walk you through every piece of it. The updates themselves can be automatic depending on how you set it up, or you don't even have to go in and and manually update the version of Monero either. So it can be quite straight. It really should be the note in a box. It seems like we're not quite there yet in those being as stable or having as broad of reach. We need to keep improving that. I guess the one other one that I should mention is Monero Nodo. Okay. Yeah. Moneronodo.com, n0do.
And it's basically a note in a box that is a Monero note. Like, that's the one thing that it does. Monero and some other Monero specific things. It has a touch screen and lets you, like, see news feeds about Monero, and it's pretty well done. So that could be an option as well. It does say that they're still only open for preorder. I thought they were generally available, but potentially not. But that is a solution if you're just wanting a Monero node and not the rest of the software you can run on those node in a box solutions. Is there any benefit
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or would you say there's more benefit to running this on a VPS rather than something at home in terms of privacy or potential chance to shoot yourself in the foot? Like, is there anything where you'd in some ways be more protected? Because this is something I was speaking to a random Nim about. I don't know if you caught that episode, but we went into all this kind of whether it's better to have things at home running or whether it's actually better to farm that out and use a service where you can pay in Monero to do that and not give any of your details. Do you have any thoughts on that? Is there any sort
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of benefit to doing that, or do you prefer to run things at home if possible? I mean, I think for the vast majority of people, there's not a, like, a security or privacy reason not to run it at home. The exception would be if you're in a jurisdiction where, like, Monero itself is illegal or running a Monero node could get you into hot water. Mhmm. Those are very few and far between, and they generally are, like, all crypto, like China, for instance. Yeah. Yeah. In theory, you're not allowed to run any crypto related software is my understanding. So those kinds of places would probably be the only ones where, like, you definitely shouldn't run it from home unless you really know what you're doing or run it only behind tour. Yeah. But in those places, normally, tour is also outlawed. So you may still get in hot water. But for the vast majority of people, I don't think it really matters which one you wanna do. I would say, like, if you're already hosting stuff at home, you should just run the Monero node as well at home. It's not that resource intensive, especially if you do it in pruned mode. It's like a 100 gigs of storage required. I think that should probably be your go to if you're already self hosting.
But if you're not hosting anything at home, it's probably gonna be easier to just spin up a a node in the cloud and use that. And you do have, in some ways, the, like, improved privacy kind of because you're not revealing your home IP address to the rest of the Monero network as someone who runs a node. That doesn't reveal anything about you, and thanks to TenderLine plus plus, even running at home doesn't ever link your home IP with your, like, transactions that are broadcast to the network or anything like that, unlike Bitcoin. I think a lot of people don't understand that about Bitcoin is right now, if you run your node at home and you don't run it only over Tor and you broadcast transactions, you're probably revealing your home IP address and linking it with the transactions that you're broadcasting because Bitcoin doesn't do very much to prevent that. And showing your ISP, obviously,
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that you are running Bitcoin. It would be trivial for them to know that, I think, unless you're doing which is the whole reason that I got my Flint two router in the first place is because I didn't want to because I you have to set it up first. It's like you have to download it, and then you choose. So I'm gonna run this over tool with most of these setups. It isn't like, can I download the can I set this up, and then I'm gonna download it all over Tor? And if you did, it'd be really, really slow. So then you did the router level VPN so that you don't have that problem. Then I guess maybe it's not as bad, but I don't know. I think there's something to be said for having these VPSs because, also, especially if you're somebody who travels or you don't know quite how physically secure your property is or you have downtime because of power outages.
I know you can have these backups and stuff like that. But Or children that press the power button on your name. Yeah. Or children who press the power button. There's things like that, and I just think with some of these things, maybe it is better actually to have it separate. I don't know. Yeah. It it's one of those things where you're not entrusting any data to the VPS.
[00:41:18] Unknown:
So, like, for a lot of people, it's just a fantastic solution. And there's, like, there's great hosting providers that accept Monero, like my Nimbox. So you can do it in a way that is extremely privacy preserving in the sense that you're not even linking a credit card with one of these providers or anything like that. So I think for for many people, it's a great option. And they prefer Monero. Yeah. That is their preference. A badass. Yeah. They are. Yeah. Really, really cool.
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Alright. Also then, since you guys at Cake haven't really been doing anything at all, you never never do any releases or anything Messing around. Sat around on your hands. Have you ever thought about doing a really nice I know you probably don't wanna do hardware because it's a fucking nightmare, but would you ever consider doing, like, a Monero node package where maybe people could just get them from the conferences from you or something, and it's like an easy setup because you guys make everything easy and nice and just get a really nice, like, milled box. Remember what Ronan Dojo did with their Tantos?
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Yes.
[00:42:19] Unknown:
They were So nice. They were so nice. Like, if Cake did a nice, simple one click install note box, you guys, like, sponsor everything, and you're everywhere. And people would just come and buy them at the counter in Monero without giving any of their personal details.
[00:42:38] Unknown:
I don't know. I'd buy one of you. Yeah. I mean, it's it's definitely an interesting idea. Like you said, hardware and all the logistics around it add, like, a whole another layer of operational complexity to what we do, but it it would be really interesting. I mean, like, we've already worked closely with the Monero Nodo guys so that you scan the QR that it gives you and instantly add your node to cake and that sort of thing. So, like, it would be nice to have an even tighter integration between node and phone, especially maybe letting you do things like connect to it and use it to store your cake backups. So you could automatically sync backups of cake wallet to your node or using I mean, like, I would I would want it, honestly, not just to be a Monero node, but let you also do Bitcoin and Fulcrum and maybe a Litecoin node for those people who use Litecoin, especially with Mweb, within cake wallet, a Solana node.
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That's a joke. That's a joke. You could have your cake and eat it.
[00:43:30] Unknown:
You could, I think. It would be a lot. So it's definitely one of those things that's, like, a stretch goal as the cake team grows. But we are trying to grow very aggressively because users and revenue are growing very, very, very quickly. So it's definitely something I would want to do. I would love to have more of, like, a a hardware branch and do do Freedom Tech on the hardware side long term. But it is a lot of complexity, so I certainly won't guarantee it or give any deadlines or anything. Monero monthly, but it's the seed is planted and No. You know, there's a chance. Yes. Okay. I'll buy one. The seed is planted. I'll buy two. The seed is planted. Well, there you go. It's worth it now.
It's all I needed to hear. On that cake wallet note, that is our next software update for today. Oh, you have something for me. Yeah. We did actually do something. Just one release. Well, it's multiple, but I'll summarize it to just be five dot five. But, yeah, we launched five dot five this month. It has a lot in it. The most pertinent for Monero are the Monero orange theme is finally back to k quality. I know that was a lot of people's favorite. It was my favorite before we we mercilessly yanked all of the themes out to improve them and simplify how they're actually implemented. And we brought back the dark mode with Monero orange accents. It looks better than ever. So that is back. That's by far the most important thing we've ever released. So that's honestly the highlight.
There is a ton of other stuff in there. Most of it is not Monero related. The only little thing that kind of is is that we launched initial Trezor support for Android and iOS. Now that their new Trezor device is Bluetooth, we can finally do that on iOS as well. So we have initial support for Trezor. Unfortunately, that does not include Monero right now because the way that they implemented support for the new device only supports the coins that they support within Trezor, within their own desktop app, which is a little frustrating.
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They don't have Monero.
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They have Monero supported on the devices, but they don't have it in their what is it called? Trezor connect? Trezor It's suite. Yeah. Trezor suite. They don't have it in that, and so they don't have any of the functionality in their SDK that we used to What do they have on there? I thought they had all the coins and stuff. It's all the main ones, but, like, normal in wood debt, that doesn't include Monero. All the main ones? As far as I know, it's never been on the the Trezor suite. Yep. But Trezor has had support for Monero for a long time through the Monero GUI and through feather. Okay. That's weird. We will add it. It's annoying that it's not out of the box, but, basically, what that means is we will write our own implementation of Trezor connecting with Cake Wallet from scratch. And that'll let us do some improvements as well, like, not requiring you to have the Trezor app installed on your phone to be able to use it, plus other things that that we think we can improve on, and then, obviously, Monero support as well. So that definitely is still a focus for us. It's not in this release even though we do have broader Trezor support, but we will be adding that down the line. Okay. Last software update for y'all, Monfluo, which is a fork of a fork of a fork.
I'm not gonna lie. I'm completely lost as to the chain of heritage for this app at this point. I believe it started as Monero Joe, and then it was forked into something like My Monero or not My Monero, My Nero to be even more confusing. And then, it had another name. And now, it's Monfluo. Monfluo. It's supposed to be basically just a super simple Android only, Monero only wallet. It's been around for a while, but they released version zero dot nine dot two with some good improvements. Nothing crazy, but I just wanted to highlight it because I don't think I'd talked about it at all yet on Monero monthly. But they keep chugging away on updates, And it's always nice to have other options in the space. And I know the dozen of you that are actually Monero only, you can have your Monero only wallet there. Or you can use monero.com wallet, which is, without a doubt, the worst name of for a wallet of all time, but it exists. It is not good. Yeah. The name's not good. The wallet's good.
[00:47:15] Unknown:
The name's not good on Monfluo. When you were saying it, I was like, what man flu? Yeah. It's like I'm feeling a bit under the what is it? Us. That Monfluo.
[00:47:27] Unknown:
Classic. It only strikes Monero users. Uh-huh. Oh, well. Yeah. It's the insatiable urge within the Monero community to use Esperanto Yes. Even though no one uses
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Esperanto. Oh, Bitcoiners do it as well. It's terrible names. Most of Bitcoin is just fucking awful names.
[00:47:46] Unknown:
They don't have the excuse of Esperanto, though. No. They just are bad at naming. Like, Monero people just don't try, so they're like they Google, how do I say something Monero related in Esperanto? And I think they they pick the first thing on the list that the the AI provides them. But Bitcoiners just I don't even know where they get their names from. I have no idea. If I see another wallet or service with the word moon in it, I'm gonna lose my mind.
[00:48:09] Unknown:
I've been using moon, though. I asked Which moon? Moon. What is the moon? Which moon? Is there?
[00:48:16] Unknown:
Moon with with two n's?
[00:48:17] Unknown:
Moon with two u's. Two u's. Sorry. Yes. As you would spell moon. Mink, you have been talking about it a bit, like, especially now with the fees being so low for swaps. It's moon season. It's pretty good, but I couldn't work out whether they had an APK or not. I was searching around, and I'm always a bit stressed about being a fake or, like, shoot myself in the foot somehow. So I was actually asking in the group earlier about that, but Moon's maybe making a bit of resurgence. But you can't do a send all, which is really annoying, and there's no coin control, which is also really annoying. So other than that, it's good. Which I guess the coin control, I guess, makes sense because they're pretending to be a lightning wallet. Yeah. But the other part doesn't really make sense. Because you wanna send a UTXO in, swap it, and then send it out as lightning, but you don't wanna merge the UTXOs.
[00:49:06] Unknown:
So you wanna do in send all, but then trying to send all, you can't do send all. So you've gotta, like, fuck around and attempt it over and over again until you get the right amount. Yeah. Very annoying. Yeah. Yeah. That's odd. Honestly, I've had forgotten all about Moon, and then someone, like, maybe a month ago had mentioned that they're still using it heavily, which I I thought it kinda died when the fees went crazy, and everyone finally realized that it wasn't a lightning wallet. Yes. But, no, it still exists.
[00:49:30] Unknown:
Still out there. Any boosts and chats? Have we had any love from listeners or abuse? We do. We have a few. Finally, your time to read off the abuse. Here we go. Oh, Jordan. This is gonna be abuse then, isn't it? Jordan with 0.015 XMR. Testing chat, e cache is cope scaling. There we go. That was from last week, was it? The, ecash is cope scaling. I agree, mate. I agree. Jordan, again, with zero point zero one six XMR, Didn't turn the toggle on dot dot dot dot. Don't know what that's for. Didn't turn the toggle on. Oh, I think this was when we were XMR chats are supposed to flash up in Rumble now, but I don't think it worked on the last one. I'm hoping it'll work next time around. Jordan again, 0.015 XMR.
Trying out new features from XMR chat. Each of these XMR chats now comes in as a signal message. The fuck?
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I think you can get now XMR chat can do notifications
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through signal for new chats, which is pretty cool. That's cool. I love XMR chat. I love how simple it is, and now it's starting to get some extra features as well. Expatriotic 0.101010101.
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Very good. You you missed it, though. Check. 0.01.
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There's a reason I wanna annoy him. It's not because I'm dyslexic. Check out my new guide for getting a Monero node running at expatriotic.me/monero. We've already shouted you out on that, mate. So, yeah, definitely go and check out his guides. You know, he's writing a cake wallet set up a new skied with me at the moment. Oh, I like it. Yeah. We're gonna bring it to some of the meetups. I'd done, like, a first draft, and he's now gonna refine it, and he'll be with us soon, hopefully.
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Badass. I'm excited to see that. Yeah. Vegan Bitcoin,
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0.003 XMR. Great podcast. Lots of interesting shows. Great quality. Keep it up. I swear I'm not vegan. Alright? In case anyone's wondering. Great podcast. Lots of interesting shows. Great quality. Keep it up. Thank you, mate.
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Is it legal to be a Bitcoiner and a vegan? I thought that was, like, against the code or something.
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I think it's almost better to be vegan than it would be just to be a normal human being that has a normal human diet because you've gotta be on the extreme always. So you've either gotta be carnivore or vegan. And if it's vegan, it's gotta be, like, raw vegan. Like, you can't even cook the vegetables and fruit in case you cause them harm or something like that. Can we call that herbivore? It feels like that should be herbivore then. Yeah. We call carnivore the meat eating one. That's true. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We'll go with that. So thank you very much, you herbivore. Shaping society. Fountain boosts.
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You are dyslexic.
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Oh, man. 35.
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35.
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You have no idea the extent of my dyslexia.
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Get the man's name right. Come on.
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It's it's bad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, user. Number number number number. And thank you for streaming 900 sats. Topota boosted 500 sats and asked, what are the pros and cons of swapping using cake versus using a swap service directly? Do I lose some privacy
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by using cake? That's one for you, mate. It's a good question. So you definitely do not lose privacy. At worst, you're gonna have the same network level privacy from the swap provider that you would have if you just open your browser and use one of the swap services. I would say, in some ways, it could be a little bit easier to have better privacy since instead of having to deal with Tor browser and download it if you don't use it already, you can just click the toggle on to connect over Tor within Cake Wallet now that we have native Tor integration. So for those with a little bit more advanced threat model, that's a a really nice option for the swap side of things. So, yeah, I mean, on the privacy perspective, it's pretty equal to your two normal options for swapping of using just a regular browser or using Tor. But on the other pros and cons, I mean, really, it's just gonna be way easier within Cake Wallet, especially if you have both the wallets you wanna swap to and from in Cake.
You never even have to copy and paste an address. Like, you just choose the wallets, say the amount you wanna swap. We generate the transaction for you automatically. You hit send once you review the details, and you move on with your life. So it's gonna be way simpler to do that rather than having to figure out how to send the address back and forth between the phone and your desktop or whatever for the swap service. So, yeah, the the main thing is really gonna be ease of use. It will be a little bit more expensive to do cake. Not much, but, obviously, we have to make money somehow, and that that's how we fund all the wonderful things that we do at cake. But it will be way easier, and you'll have similar privacy with easy tour usage. If you wanna just flip on that toggle in the the network settings in cake, you can do it all over tour too. If you want these, you've gotta pay the fees. That's a good one. Yeah. Do you like that? I do. The other thing is, like you said, it does fund the development.
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I really don't have a problem unless fees are outrageous. Like, if you're looking at something, you're like, oh, this is, like, fucking 10 times more. I'm not doing that. That's, like, just doesn't make any sense. Then, obviously, it's a piss type. But I look at it as, like, this is so much easier. I've gotta pay a tiny bit more, not a lot. And then where does that money go? Oh, okay. It goes to develop a lot of cool stuff. So,
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like, for me, I I like the easy easy route a lot of the time. Yeah. It's not going to fund a faceless corporation, and a lot of the money that we earn flows back into the Mirror community through CCS funding, through sponsorships of events and podcasts. It's definitely something where we try to give back very freely. Vic is incredibly generous, and that's one of the things that that drew me to cake. But you can help us keep building cool shit if you use cake for swaps.
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Definitely. Just do the tour toggle. VMVD boosted 220 sats with no note, and Samorat boosted a 100 sats and said thank you for the education. You are most welcome, Samorat.
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Man, no one even abused you or me. That was just, like, kind messages and a good question.
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It's weird, isn't it? It's very weird. Well, if you do have some abuse, do you like to, send our way? Please do. We'd love to hear it. And if you have any other kind messages, we'd like them too. Questions, etcetera. Until then, unless we've got anything else to cover, we will catch you on the Freedom Tech Friday. We should be live maybe a day or two after this goes live, and it will just be me and you, Seth, I think. It will. More of our beautiful voices in your ears. You're welcome, guys. And I think now I've gotta jump on with q, and he's gonna talk me through how to host it and all that kind of stuff. Nice. Depending on this time change stuff.
I I think it's gonna be now, so I'll jump on that, and apologies in advance if there's any problems.
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See you all Friday.
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Yeah. Cheers, mate. Speak soon. Yep. If you have any questions, please reach out and ask probably Seth, but you can try and ask me as well. And we'll catch you on the next episode a month from now. Before you go, I wanna say thank you for all the support from all the Ungovernable Misfits and the Ungovernable Misfits crew. Also, a big thank you to Cake Wallet and Foundation, not only for supporting this show and everything that Ungovernable Misfits do, but also for the general freedom and open source movement. We hinted to it in this episode, but Foundation have released a new device.
I'm very excited about this. If you haven't already listened to my episode, go back and have a listen. You can check them out at foundation.xyz. You can use my code Ungovernable for a discount. I think just for the passport, not for the Passport Prime as it stands, but either way, give it a go. It's just ungovernable, or you can click the link in the show notes, and it will take you to our own cool page that Mr. Crown's made all beautiful. Check that out. And also a big thank you to Cake Wallet. If you haven't already tried Cake Wallet, give it a go. You can use this on Mac, Linux, Windows, iPhone, and Android. I've been using it now for probably about six months, and I really like it. It's got some great Bitcoin features, great Monero features. You can link this to your own node on both.
It's got swap services, payment services, all sorts of things in there that help people who actually use Bitcoin and Monero. And if you have any questions while using it, you can just send in to our own little tech support here, and me and Seth will go through it in the next episode. Thanks for listening, and stay ungovernable.
The business will fall victim to a ransomware attack every last seconds, eleven seconds. I am investigator investigator investigator. And I work supporting Our agenda for today, we're gonna start with just the basics of Monero. What it is, what it is, how it works, how it works. Monero is considered a privacy token.
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The world's most private
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privacy. Which means that in high, virtually all transaction details are exchanged. The world's most private
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privacy. Good morning, Seth. An hour later, my mistake.
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Daylight savings time is the devil. When will we be rid of this? Overthrow our surveillance overlords, and with them, we'll get rid of daylight savings time. Oh, that'd be nice, wouldn't it? It fucked us up on Friday as well. Yeah. I I got to do it twice too because I was in Lugano for the plan b forum conference. Mhmm. They did daylight savings time while I was there, and then I got back home. And then we did daylight savings time a week later. Because why would everyone change at the same time? Why not do it at different times? Make it even more confusing.
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So Make life harder. Let's do that.
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Exactly. What are governments for if not making life harder and more inefficient?
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So Yeah. It's literally that. It's funny actually because where I am in the world, it's a little bit behind if you look at it in a government way, but then, actually, it makes it a little bit better. And someone was saying to me the other day, I was like, yeah. You know, I might think about doing, like, a small buy to let or something like that. I might do, like, something because my missus wants to, like, do some type of work. And I was like, okay. Maybe we could do this. They're like, yeah. Yeah. Well, they're bringing out these new guidelines and regulations for holiday let. So, you know, it'd be good because there'll be some there's all the words that you hate, like clarity, like, things like that. And I was like, yeah. You know what? Fuck that.
They get involved. They ruin everything.
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Uh-huh. Sometimes their advantages to, like, smaller, more backwards is kind of a too negative a term, but less, progressive governments. Oh, for sure. They can be nice, but they can also be a pain in the ass. So you can do both sides. Yeah. That's right. When you were in Logano, was there any Monero talk, or was it all
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Bitcoin
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only stuff? I expected it to be all Bitcoin only, but it's same thing as last year. People immediately wanted to talk about Monero. Last year, I had Jameson Lop front row, ask him an arrow question, and spent most of the q and a time in my keynote talking about Monero. And then this year, had a panel on privacy with a bunch of guys, some I get along with, some I don't get along with in the the Bitcoin space. Who was it? Was it Odell and that Italian bloke? Giacomo.
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Giacomo.
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Who else was on there? It was Max Hillebrand from, I guess, x Wasabi. Now he's doing Yeah. White noise, the new kinda chat app, but ex wasabi. And then rockstar dev as well. Two terrible projects. I I think white noise is interesting. Like, the cryptography is really cool. I know we're going on a tangent here, but the the use of Gnoster for all of the server side stuff, I think, is very odd. Like, Nostra is notoriously bad for privacy and reliability and discoverability.
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Three things that you want. I don't think it's odd at all. If you look at the VC funding, I bet it ties back to some Nostra heavy investment. Yeah. So you just throw a nostril in there. You're like, oh, well, you know, you gotta keep the VCs happy. Well, let let's throw some nostril in there. That will keep them happy. Even if it's a bad decision, we'll just do that. That'll be my guess. Until you get the Jack money. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's all the rage. Jack, if you're listening, I fucking love Nostra. We'll Nostra it up over here. Just just throw some stats our way. Some picos our way. Sorry. It's the Monero show. Nostra monthly is replacing Monero monthly.
Never. Well, there's probably a number, Jack. Just hit me up. But unless it's a big number, it it will never happen. We have principles up until a certain limit. Right? Yeah. Everyone does. Yeah.
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So there was some talk. What was the general vibe then? Was it, like, more than last year or, like, again, just like a I always think Jameson's never been, like, a maxi maxi type, has he? He's he's always No. No. That doesn't surprise me too much. Yeah. He's always been pretty chill. I mean, that one was surprising just because, like, I knew he was a Monero fan and had used it, but I didn't expect him to, like, take the time to ask him an arrow focused question when I wasn't talking about more. That was really cool that last year. I mean, this year like, at those kinds of things, I'd I'm not a Monero Maxi. I'm not a Monero evangelist. I'm not trying to convince people to use Monero, but I do love having conversations about it. And especially when I'm invited to speak at a, like, Bitcoin only thing, I'm not gonna push the envelope too much. But yeah. I mean, like, two minutes into the panel, Giacomo brought up that I'm a Monero guy. And, basically, that Monero is not bad, and they overlook my Monero side to let me in on the on the Bitcoin side. That's really good of them. That's so sweet.
It is. It is. It's gracious. It's gracious. Well, Giacomo is one of the few people that actually calls Monero shitcoin, but he thinks it's a good shitcoin because he has a weird expansive view of what the term shitcoin means to basically include anything that's not Bitcoin even if it's good, which don't Okay. Ask me how that makes sense. But Yeah. That's a random It was a good little discussion. They ragged on cake wallet for supporting other stuff too, but good Monero stuff that we talked about on stage. And then afterwards, talked to a bunch of people about Monero, some closet Bitcoiners who man, I wanna name names, but I'll I'll be kind. Love Monero, use Monero all the time, and want to see it more heavily used by Bitcoiners with ideas on how to do that. Like, what a type of cake wallet would look like that was focused on Monero, Bitcoin, and lightning all in one. Like Ugh. Yeah. Lots of good discussions around that. So as always, there is a heavy emphasis need and usage of Monero by Bitcoiners even when you're at these, like, hardcore Bitcoin only things. So it's encouraging, annoying, of course, that more people won't talk about that publicly, but I understand for some of them for OPSEC reasons. They wanna keep things close to the chest. But for others, I think they just don't wanna be crucified by the the Bitcoin only cabal. I think it's for most people, it's that. It's just, like, fear of
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you know, like, it's like they're in with their little cool set, and, you know, they don't wanna disrupt that. It's like if you really like a film and you're, like, at school and you're in with the cool kids and they're like, oh, yeah. That film is really shit. Oh, yeah. We don't like that. You'd be like, oh, I don't really wanna say I like it then. It's like that kind of thing. It's like, I don't wanna, like, step out of line here. And, also, like, a lot of the people just don't actually use cryptocurrency. I think, genuinely, I don't think that the majority of the people that squawk on Twitter actually use it. They're not people who are, like, spending every day and making payments every day and tinkering every day. They're just they've bought some. They hold it. They have a fear that there's something else. And rather than seeing it as, like, this is additive and it's useful to work with it, They just kind of, like, fearfully just shout into the void, and I think people just get scared of that, which is fair enough.
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For sure. And, I mean, I think those people that do actually use it use crypto generally, like Bitcoin and other things. Yeah. Almost all of them have used Monero or do use Monero. Because it's just I mean, it's ubiquitous for a reason. It's fantastically useful, and most merchants that accept Bitcoin or Lightning accept Monero. So why not dabble in it and and play with it a bit? I've been using it so much more, like, pretty much every day now. And I've seen that there's now
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the option for obscure VPN to make payments with that. I think you mentioned it, like, maybe a couple of shows ago with me and Q. Oh, yeah. It was. It was when we were doing the Freedom Tech Friday, and we were saying, oh, can you pay for it using cryptocurrency? And you said, yeah. But it's just lightning only at the moment or something like that, but I'm working on them. You obviously schmoozed them well. They
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have understood the desire for it for a long time. I've been talking to Carl, the the founder, since before he launched the service, a long time user myself, again, since before the service actually publicly launched. And so, like, he he's been aware of that for a while, but as soon as they launched a way for people to ask for features, as soon as they launched it and said, hey. What else would you like to see? They just got overwhelmed with Monero requests, which is not surprising. I mean, it's a privacy preserving service that accepts crypto. Like, Monero just seems like the no brainer next step. So it's been planned for a while, but, obviously, they're a small team, very engineering focused on the VPN side. So it took them some time to add it. But, yeah, they added it and not in, like, hacky sketchy way that Proton did where they pretended that they added accepting Monero, but they just accepted Monero through gift cards that someone else sells, which was, an annoying turn of events on the Proton side. But Obscura did it, like, really well. It seems like a bespoke implementation that's a native part of their UI and everything Really nicely done. Just lets you just like with Bitcoin or Lightning, you just choose the amount of months or years you wanna top up for your account. Choose Monero as the option. You get a pop up with a QR with the amount and everything. You move along with your life. It's dead simple. It looks really nice. Very nice. And they're a a fantastic, like, novel dual entity model VPN that that, like I said, I've been using for a long time now, a year and a half, maybe, something like that. It's your preference, isn't it? It is. Yeah. It is. I mean, they're still a little bit Apple centric on the client side. I know that they've been rolling out more and more client support, and that's, like, their main thing that they're working on right now is adding support for Android and more desktop operating systems. But they have a a WireGuard config generator. So if you're willing to use the WireGuard apps, you can use it on any platform quite easily. That's yeah. That just that works beautifully. Their client, specifically, it works really well with Tailscale, which is another, like, constant usage thing for me on the self hosting side.
And they're just also really based, really awesome guys. So it's a it's a good team behind it. I'm gonna have to,
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move over from Mullvad at some point. I think that the snag was just the usability when you have multiple devices. And if you're not that technical, I think it was like, maybe wait. So as soon as they do make it, like, simple or a little bit more simple for me, and I compare Monero, that would be my go to. I do like, now I just look for if I compare Monero, it is a no brainer. I will always use that as a preference, and then it's lightning after that, but it's, just so much better.
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Yeah. It was really no brainer that it would be added, and it's just just so smooth. So I'm definitely excited for them to add more client support. They already are my go to and recommendation for those who are willing to do the WireGuard configurator or have a native app that they can use. But once they have support on all the other platforms, I just I don't really see why anyone would use anything else on the VPN side. It's that good. Well, shout out Obscura. That is very nice to hear. Yeah. Glad to see that come out, and the Monera community, obviously, pleased with that on Twitter as well. Let's get rolling into some more general updates. That's a good segue into the obscure one there, Max. You're a speed operator over there. The rest of the general updates. So we actually have a good few today. Not as many software updates, but general updates, a lot has happened over the last month. We are recording this a little bit later than normal, so it's November 4, but I'm trying to keep things October centric when possible. But the first thing is something that people probably had noticed. It went live or the announcement went live at the October.
But my Monero, one of the, like, OG Monero wallets from the very early days, is shutting down. They're handing the reins over actually two k wallet. We bought them and and their assets as part of this, but they were already sunsetting their service. They hadn't pushed app updates in two years. This was always the plan for them to shut down, but wanted to smooth that transition. The main things to keep in mind so my Monero was a light wallet, which in the Monero world, that means that if you used my Monero, your wallet would send your view key over to My Monero servers, and all of the sync would happen on My Monero side. So they would get visibility into all your transactions, but you would get that kind of instant Bitcoin like sync experience, which I understand some people are okay with that trade off. You still have good privacy from third party observers even if you don't from my Monero. But, obviously, there are some some major downsides to that. I mean, one is that it provides a kind of honeypot is not the right word, but it provides a a useful amount of data if someone were to steal those view keys or someone were to law enforcement or others were to request that and get insight into all of the usage on those view keys, especially if that became, like, an overwhelmingly common use case or usage of Monero. If the vast majority of Monero users were using it and a single entity got access to those view keys, it could be detrimental for those users' privacy, but also generally for other Monero users' privacy. So they were wanting to wind things down. Cake Wallet, obviously, were doing things all as a we don't have, like, clear terminology. I guess, just we're, like, a full wallet where you're gonna connect to a node. You're gonna download the parts of the blocks that you need to download and check for your transactions, and then you do all that locally. So it's maximally privacy preserving. The main things for those who have used My Monero in the past, one, those view keys are never being handed over to k Wallet. They're not leaving My Monero servers. We don't want them. We never wanted them. So we won't get access to any of that user data very intentionally.
And then My Minerals themselves are going to delete all of that data a month after the My Minerals service goes offline. So they're slated to shut down the service on January 6. So your My Minerals will stop syncing, but you can still get your seed freeze out of the My Minerals apps on January 6, and then they'll delete all of that data on February 6. So you, again, still be able to open the app and get your seed phrase out, but it won't synchronize after that January 6 date. Okay. Sounds good. Do you know how many uses they have? It's a little hard to tell exactly. It seems like they were somewhere in the order of 50 to a 100,000 users. Okay. That's pretty big. Yeah. So not small, and that's even with them. Like I said, not really doing a whole lot on the app side over the last few years. So Mhmm. It seems like they still had a reasonable user base. Those users, obviously, they're being recommended to move to Cake Wallet, but they can move to Monero Show or another option that we'll actually talk about a little bit later in the that's a good transition. Another option that's just being announced from the Magic Grant's people, which is a light wallet server or a light wallet wallet that doesn't work.
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Light wallet wallet.
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I'm not gonna butcher it that bad. A light wallet app. There we go. A light wallet app that kind of can act as a replacement for my Monero. So magic grants are a man, I keep wanting to say open source. The financial version of open source, a nonprofit. Okay. Yeah. A nonprofit who have collected and and handle donations to help fund things within the Monero ecosystem. They wanted to launch their own light wallet as kind of a replacement or transition for My Monero. It's called Skylight. It does not have a default LWS server, so you would have to connect it to your own server, and you'd have to run it yourself, which right now is not super easy. But we're gonna also implement light wallet support at k Qualit. And when we do, we'll have docs on how to actually run the server side yourself. But they've launched this initial app. It's very early, but they're on Android right now planning to be on iOS down the line just in public beta at the moment. But that could be an option for people that wanna transition to that. Obviously, alongside cake, alongside Monero show, alongside
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desktop apps like Feather or the main GUI. If you are my Monero user, lots of good options there. Yeah. Feather's desktop, is it desktop only though, isn't it? It is. Yep. Yeah. And that's the one way you I remember having to use that when I was setting up BTCPay. Jordan helped me with this, so I might get the terminology wrong, but I had to, like, get a view key or something, and I couldn't get that from the wallet that I was using. And then I had to use feather to be able to export that and put that into BTCPay. Pay. Was that a view key? So it's a kind of similar. It's view only wallet files, so it's like everything you need for a view only wallet, including the actual wallet cache. In theory, you could just do it with a view key, but the way the actual underlying
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Monero and BDC pay software works, you can't just paste in a view key for it to function properly. That would be a good improvement. But, yeah, right now, you need those view only wallet files, which Mhmm. As far as I know, only feather can generate. Maybe the Monero GUI can. You can't in cake wallet, but that's, like, such an advanced and non mobile use case. We haven't focused on that, but we'd like to add that down the line. But, yeah, Feather works well for that. That's what I've always recommended. Yeah. Because I'd generated or created a wallet using Cake.
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And then when I was setting up, I was like, I can't see how to do this thing. And then Jordan was like, oh, yeah. You've gotta use Feather. And I was like, why have you gotta use Feather? He's like, oh, it's just the only one you can use. So I guess maybe it's a bit like desktop wallet wise the same with Sparrow. It's just like you don't have the same functionality in I don't think any mobile wallet as you do with Sparrow.
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Yeah. I mean, there's just there's no mobile users who would need to export view only files that you can't use on mobile in any way. So it's just one of those things that's gonna be a little bit more on the advanced side and not as important to have there. Like, obviously, you can get out your view keys and stuff in Cake Wallet, but it's a a feather only thing. They have a lot of more advanced functionality that we do wanna add in as well. Yeah. If you're a MyAdmin user, make sure to migrate ASAP. January 6, your app will stop working, but you can still get the seed out. So definitely do that promptly. But try to give people plenty of time to to migrate over. Yeah. Do that in January before packing your bags and getting ready for Monero Topia
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back in Mexico City. Is that what, the third in a row now?
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At least second in Mexico City. Moneritopia, I think this might be the fourth Moneritopia overall. It was in Mexico City last year, but I hadn't been for the couple years before that. So, yeah, it's it's back in the exact same venue, same location as last year for anybody who is there in Mexico City. Last year, it's gonna be the February 12 through the fifteenth. So multiple days. Expect there to be great Monero accepting vendors there again. All the food and drinks will be able to be paid in Monero. Great speakers all throughout. Doug does a good job of curating who goes and speaks and attends. I'm sure we'll be there at s cake, I'm sure, because we are we're sponsoring and everything like we always do. Excited for that. Definitely make it out there. It's a very different type of conference. Like, they do have the normal, like, conference, hear people speak on stage thing, but there's always a bit of an unconference feel to it with, like, workshops on the side with those vendors that accept Monero. It just it has kind of a a different feel than most of your crypto Bitcoin Monero conferences and a little less technical than MoneroCon. So it's a fun one. Yeah. Good. The whole I know you've just been on the panel, so I don't have to shit the panels too much. But, like I know. Watch yourself. Going to just sit and listen to people talk that you can kind of catch up on a podcast anyway,
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I think you're missing the most important bit, which is connecting with other people. Yep. Having those one on one or small group conversations that you just can't have on stage, getting some good food and drinks and bits and pieces. Like, you know, I haven't been to many conferences, but that's the bit that I really love. Like, I never find myself wanting to go and sit for, like, an hour listening to people speak, particularly.
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Yeah. I mean, I even tell people that when I'm at conferences. Prioritize the conversations with people. That's the most valuable piece of it. I'll definitely go to, like, panels or presentations by friends or by people I wanna support. Mhmm. But the vast majority of the time that stuff is recorded, and you can just watch it later. The more important thing would be grab time even grabbing time with the speakers. Like, maybe go to their presentation if you're interested, but focus on grabbing time with the speaker to chat with them if you have more specific questions. Like, that's definitely the value in these things. So I think that's the thing to focus on if you are gonna go to any conferences.
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One of the best conferences I went to was, like, it's called Bitcoin Beach Retreat in Wales. Like, it was the first conference they've done their conference. Like, everyone camps out and everyone's, like, there by the fire and stuff. And, it was, like, me, open arms, and, like, four others, like, sat just looking out at the sea, and he was just, like, teaching us how to do coin control and do something in the command line and do all this, like, technical stuff. We were just sat there just having a beer going through it with him. Nice. And I was like, that was the best. That was that was perfection.
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Yeah. We need more of that, honestly. Yeah. These these smaller conferences, more personal, more focused on community, more focused on circular economy. Those are the value add for people for sure. Like, they get too big, and they they get out of hand. They get a little more corporate and more tradify and a little bit less, less Cypherpunk, less interesting. So I definitely agree. You're saying they have to, like, street food vendors there.
[00:21:22] Unknown:
Obviously, all can pay in Monero. Is it like little stands and stuff like that? Yeah. So last year, they had
[00:21:28] Unknown:
four or five different food or drink stands all with kind of within the the so the venue's weird. It's, like, it's open air. It's like a garden almost. Maybe garden's not the right word, but, like, farm type of garden. Like, one for, like, actually growing vegetables and stuff with, like, a dome area where all the presentations are, and then the rest is just open air. All the food vendors were on kind of one side in the open air next to some seating. And then they had all of the, like, shop vendors in another open air area beside that. You could just walk through and get your food and then walk directly through all the vendors and see what they were selling directly from Monero. But, yeah, they had a few different stalls. Best one last year for sure was, like, a steak stall, basically, with a bunch of different kinds of steak, chorizo sausage, like, really, really good stuff that you could get made into tacos or or get straight with good sauces on top. It was yeah. It was badass. And, of course, you're paying with Manero, so it's even more satisfying. And now they could pay with the point of sale thing that I was reading through somewhere in the notes. Yeah. I'm curious if we'll end up using that this year at Monero Topia. So the the folks behind Monero Con, which is more technical Monero conference that normally happens every year. So I think we talked about it on the last Monero monthly. If we didn't, then this will serve as your PSA. But MoneroCon twenty twenty six is canceled, but they'll be back in 2027.
Yeah. I think I'm pretty sure we touched on that. But Yeah. But the people behind that conference have wanted a better point of sale system to use with Monero. And so they built out XMR POS, which is a a new point of sale focused Monero app. It's solely aimed at merchants who want to accept Monero in person. The goal being it to be something that you install on one of the, like, Android phone POS systems that are really common. Like, BTC pay guys use these kinds of things all the time, but it's basically like an Android phone with a printer attached. And this is designed to be used in the same way. It is Android only for now. It has that printer support, so you can actually print out receipts and QR codes for payments. And looks pretty sweet. I I haven't actually used it yet, but it looks nice. They built out a whole back end with it as well for you to do vendor management and everything. But it's looking pretty good. So I'm curious if if they'll use that. Last year, we just used kWallet. I mean, these spinners don't don't need anything fancy. So they just use the receive screen where you can type in the fiat amount, and it automatically adds the crypto amount into the QR.
So we might just stick with that, but I'm definitely curious to try out the XMR POS thing, especially if you have a more, like, a little bit more complex usage. It has a lot of good functionality in there. So it's pretty sweet. The alternate that people can use too, and I got a lot of shit for pushing back on the initial idea of the XMR POS thing because of this. But PTC pay already has Monero support and has its own POS interface that you can just reach from a link. You can set up the POS to list specific items and everything. And, of course, since BTC pay supports Monero, you can use it as well. That's another option for people, especially if you don't want it to be Monero only. You would have to use BTC pay instead of this. But But if you do want it to be Monero only and want it to be a little bit more focused on that, XMR POS is a an awesome new option. So it seems like it's making really good progress and growing, so I'm excited to see it. Very nice. Well, that's good to hear. That's nice. Because, yeah, otherwise, it is BTCPay
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or I'm sure there's one other, isn't there? I think it was Jordan talking about another one. Bitcart.cc? Hold on. It could be that. He really doesn't like BTCPay, so he was talking about something else. He's like, oh, fucking hell. I'm having a nightmare with this. There's this other one that's better, and I can't remember what it was. So there's bitkart.ai.
[00:24:56] Unknown:
I thought it was .cc. I don't know if this is the same thing. Let Let me see. If it has some Manera support, it should be it. Yeah. I think it's this BitCart. It's like it's supposed to be a simplified, like, slimmed down version of BTCPay that I've I've heard good things about. I haven't actually used it yet, but I've heard good things. It does have Manera support. It's obviously all open source as well and has Bitcoin and Lightning and other things supported. So that seems like a good option.
[00:25:21] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, BCP, I've always found it a little bit clunky and frustrating to use, but then I'm not that technical, obviously. But then I have appreciated that they added the Monero support, and I know you said they'd done a load of work that needed doing and throwing their resources at that. So I was like, that's kind of cool. But I don't know. It it still feels to me if you're saying like, oh, we're gonna have everyone be able to use Bitcoin and Monero and these cryptocurrencies and just tell someone to run BTCPay and, like, accept payments. It's like you know, it's it's why that when Square came out and was like, oh, yeah. We're gonna do, merchant payments. It's like, well, that is something that you can get behind. You genuinely can't tell a normal person go and run BTC pay server and run your own node and do this stuff. It's not like a one click install simple thing. I wish it was. Maybe it could be one day. Maybe some one of the other options that we've mentioned can be.
[00:26:20] Unknown:
There are a lot of good options for it being one click if you don't accept Monero or some other cryptocurrencies that require a little bit more advanced usage. That's the main downside, but there are ways you can spin up BTCPay in one click on, like, Luna node and a couple other of those kind of hosting providers that their goal is letting you one click install certain software. Yeah. But it's the Monero piece right now that makes a little bit complex. But, hopefully, the the ongoing work from Monero community people like Devrick will improve the Monero side on BTC pay to make it possible on those. I'm not sure. Not sure how feasible that is, but it'd be good. Okay. Yeah. It would be nice. Because you're right. I mean, it's it's very much, like, all of these POS system approaches for Bitcoin, Monero, etcetera. They're very much targeted at, like, the more hardcore person. Like, as much as we they have gotten much better. They're greatly improved, but most merchants, a, don't want to actually have the crypto at the end of the day. Like, they want fiat. Then you can't really do that simply with any of these solutions, But they also just don't have the technical acumen to do this. So these are fantastic options for the more hardcore people, for these in person conferences, that sort of thing. The square thing on the Bitcoin side is pretty badass. I'm hoping that picks up steam.
Yeah. So last general update, and this one's just I wanted to keep an eye on. There's been a few of these proposed over the years that I've been in Monero, and none of them have stuck. But there's another redesign proposed for the getmonero.org website. Someone's posted a a CCS request trying to raise funding to build out every design for getmonero.org. It seems promising. Pretty good pretty good look overall. We'll have the link to preview it and the link to the the CCS request itself in the the show notes, but I'm curious if this will make any progress. Like many things in the Monero and crypto community in general, I just kinda don't believe it until I see it actually happen. But if you are interested to see how that goes, if you have feedback, things specifically that you can't stand or think need to be improved on the current getmonero.org website, there's a chance to get some feedback in for that CCS, and and we'll see if it actually ends up going live. But it's looking pretty promising so far. Stupid question.
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What is CCS?
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Have you been listening to our Monero monthlies?
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That's Max. Clearly clearly not. I was like, is he saying CSS? What's CCS?
[00:28:36] Unknown:
I can understand the confusion. I'm not afraid to sound stupid. I mean, it definitely also sounds like a web dev thing. So Yeah. CCS is the community crowdfunding system, which is the the way that people can raise Monero from the Monero community. Right. Okay. Make a proposal, ask for a certain amount of Monero. There's a discussion time where everybody gets a chance to chime in on, like, should this thing actually be put forward for funding? And then if it is, it it goes forward into needs funding, and people can donate Monero directly to that cause. It's been a good system over the years. It's not not flawless, but it's been a good system over the years. So, yeah, CCS community crowdfunding system.
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I slapped my hand. I'll, I'll write that on my arm so I remember for next month. Clearly, you haven't been doing your forty hours per week. I know. Pathetic.
[00:29:22] Unknown:
Plus, rolling software updates. Just three for y'all today. There are some other smaller ones. I know we kinda started out Monero monthly where I was going over, like, literally every software update in the Monero space, but I was boring myself. So I can't imagine that I was not boring the audience. So we've slimmed down a little bit. I'm trying to only do the either ones that we haven't talked about in a while or ones that actually have a significant update. Yeah. So we'll keep this section slimmed down a little bit. But Yeah. For those of you listening, if you wanted to know about that dot one point release of obscure software, I'm happy to do it if the people want it. Send a boost in and ask us. We'll do it on the next one. There you go. Again, for enough money, we'll do anything.
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Oh, yeah.
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On that note, biggest update for this month, Monero version zero dot 18 dot four dot three was released. So this one, no major, like, user facing changes. This isn't FCMP. This isn't some huge upgrade, but what it is is, another important step towards combating malicious spy nodes on the network. So we've talked about this a little bit over past Monero monthlies, but there have been entities for years and years now, essentially, running malicious nodes on the Monero peer to peer network, trying to learn information about Monero users. Some of this seems like it's been done by chain surveillance companies, Chainalysis, in particular, in the leaked video that came out maybe, like, a year ago or something.
Talked about how their primary and most useful way to gather information about Monero transactions was these malicious nodes that users had connected to. So we know that they've been doing it. There's some reasons to suspect that nation states or at least a very advanced actor called Linking Lion has been running malicious Monero nodes as well as malicious Bitcoin nodes. That's something that came out, I think, probably about two years ago now where this entity was running malicious nodes trying to find the source of transactions in the Bitcoin and Monero networks, and it's the same entity running both. So those are just two of the known entities that are doing this. It's very likely there are others, but the goal of these spy nodes is twofold. Either that you would connect to them and try to actually sync your wallet with them, which can reveal things like the last time you synced, what wallet height you were at. If you're restoring a wallet, it could leak the birthday, like, the the Genesis date roughly of that wallet. Then when you're transmitting a transaction and you're not using VPN or Tor, if you're connected to one of these malicious nodes, you could be obviously revealing your source IP address with that transaction ID. Now, thankfully, in Monero, you are still keeping the sender, receiver, and amount hidden. All of that is computed and created on your, your local device that's not done with the nodes. So so all that stays private, but it still reveals more information than, obviously, you want. So that's one thing where they try to get you to connect to them directly. But the other one is that they try to spin up a ton of Monero Nodes throughout the Monero peer to peer network and try to become the vast majority so that when a transaction is being propagated across the Monero network through the the Dandelion plus plus protocol that I'm sure we've also talked about before. If they're the vast majority of the nodes or, like, 90% of the nodes or something, they could make reasonable guesses as to what the source node of that transaction ID is or at least the first node that was used to broadcast it. So So those are the two things they try to do. Both of those are possible because the Monero peer to peer network, just like Bitcoins, just like any good cryptocurrency, is permissionless, decentralized, and doesn't require anything to be able to join it. And you can just spin up a new node. But, obviously, there are some protections to try to stop someone from just spinning up a thousand nodes behind a single IP address or something like that. This update specifically makes it harder for a single entity to spin up a lot of nodes within the same subnet and add some better protection to catch when that's happening and to essentially just automatically ban those nodes and not allow your node or the node that you're using. Like, let's say you use Cake Wallet and you use our default node. We're running eighteen dot four dot three already, so that means that our nodes are gonna be automatically banning and preventing these nodes from connecting to our node and thus learning any information about your transaction. So those are a long way to say this is something you as a user should not notice, but it just means that you have even better privacy from a network level privacy perspective than you had before, and it's just kind of an an ongoing battle to harden and improve Monero. And on top of that, just a reminder to run your own node. That's the winner for everybody.
It is. Absolutely. Yeah. That solves the first of those things that these nodes are trying to do, which is get you to connect directly to them. If you're running your own node, you're connecting to your own node. You don't have to worry about that at all. You have much better protection. So definitely recommend that we have a an extra more chat that we'll read about this later, but I'll go ahead and chill x patriotic. He's got a great guide that he just launched at xpatriotic.me/monero that helps you to run a Monero node in a little bit more advanced of a way. And then I have a node on my my website, seth privacy dot com. I have a node. I have a guide on my website. So many words. I have two, one that does a little a little more advanced way similar to Expatriotic, and then one that uses Docker to simplify the setup a little bit. But there's also a lot of other ways to run a note at this point too. There's a GUI that you can run on your computer if you wanna run it on a desktop or laptop. There's a lot of good options now, but definitely run a node. It's not maybe as necessary as it is in Bitcoin from a privacy perspective, but it is still good and helps to protect you against a lot of the potential attacks that are out there by malicious entities trying to run nodes. Yeah. And I'm also not generally one for, like, protect the network. It's your job to run a node for that reason. Like, you should do it in a selfish way,
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but it does also help the network. It does help prevent these type of attacks and things like that. It is better to do it. So it's not that difficult. And I'm guilty of it myself. Like, since moving, I'm not running one. I kept having a load of problems on start nine. I was like, I kept running one on there and then it would sync and then it would just completely fucking destroy everything on that computer. And I never really got to the bottom of why it had happened, but I put it down. So I was like, oh, it's obviously just me, like, being an idiot. I've done something wrong. And then Black Coffee was like, oh, yes. Done the same to me twice. And I'm like, okay. He's not an idiot. Like, there's obviously something wrong here. So I don't know if that's something that's been fixed, but, you know, for people who listen to this show, a lot of them are gonna be Bitcoin and Monero users. And, like, if they are maybe on the less technical side like me, which I know a lot of the listeners are, what would be the go to for you? Like, I know you've written your guide, ex patriots. It's got his guide. Is there, like, a node in a box or a one click kind of simple that they can put on a start nine or a not really umbrella, but, you know, one of these kind of prepackaged things?
[00:36:14] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, the note in the box should be a good solution. Like you said, it seems like there's been some issues with that. That is the end goal that all of these node in the box systems allow you to run a Monero node on them. Some have been more open to that than others. Some are a little bit more, like, Bitcoin only or not as open source and and easy to build around. So, unfortunately, it's not as straightforward as we'd like it to be. Definitely, we'll continue to work on improving that. I mean, for many users, you could get by with just running it on your desktop or laptop and forwarding that one port so that you can connect to it remotely. That works pretty well. It's really not that complex to spin up a VPS and run it on someone else's server. It's not crazy once you just get over that initial hurdle, and these guides will walk you through every piece of it. The updates themselves can be automatic depending on how you set it up, or you don't even have to go in and and manually update the version of Monero either. So it can be quite straight. It really should be the note in a box. It seems like we're not quite there yet in those being as stable or having as broad of reach. We need to keep improving that. I guess the one other one that I should mention is Monero Nodo. Okay. Yeah. Moneronodo.com, n0do.
And it's basically a note in a box that is a Monero note. Like, that's the one thing that it does. Monero and some other Monero specific things. It has a touch screen and lets you, like, see news feeds about Monero, and it's pretty well done. So that could be an option as well. It does say that they're still only open for preorder. I thought they were generally available, but potentially not. But that is a solution if you're just wanting a Monero node and not the rest of the software you can run on those node in a box solutions. Is there any benefit
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or would you say there's more benefit to running this on a VPS rather than something at home in terms of privacy or potential chance to shoot yourself in the foot? Like, is there anything where you'd in some ways be more protected? Because this is something I was speaking to a random Nim about. I don't know if you caught that episode, but we went into all this kind of whether it's better to have things at home running or whether it's actually better to farm that out and use a service where you can pay in Monero to do that and not give any of your details. Do you have any thoughts on that? Is there any sort
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of benefit to doing that, or do you prefer to run things at home if possible? I mean, I think for the vast majority of people, there's not a, like, a security or privacy reason not to run it at home. The exception would be if you're in a jurisdiction where, like, Monero itself is illegal or running a Monero node could get you into hot water. Mhmm. Those are very few and far between, and they generally are, like, all crypto, like China, for instance. Yeah. Yeah. In theory, you're not allowed to run any crypto related software is my understanding. So those kinds of places would probably be the only ones where, like, you definitely shouldn't run it from home unless you really know what you're doing or run it only behind tour. Yeah. But in those places, normally, tour is also outlawed. So you may still get in hot water. But for the vast majority of people, I don't think it really matters which one you wanna do. I would say, like, if you're already hosting stuff at home, you should just run the Monero node as well at home. It's not that resource intensive, especially if you do it in pruned mode. It's like a 100 gigs of storage required. I think that should probably be your go to if you're already self hosting.
But if you're not hosting anything at home, it's probably gonna be easier to just spin up a a node in the cloud and use that. And you do have, in some ways, the, like, improved privacy kind of because you're not revealing your home IP address to the rest of the Monero network as someone who runs a node. That doesn't reveal anything about you, and thanks to TenderLine plus plus, even running at home doesn't ever link your home IP with your, like, transactions that are broadcast to the network or anything like that, unlike Bitcoin. I think a lot of people don't understand that about Bitcoin is right now, if you run your node at home and you don't run it only over Tor and you broadcast transactions, you're probably revealing your home IP address and linking it with the transactions that you're broadcasting because Bitcoin doesn't do very much to prevent that. And showing your ISP, obviously,
[00:40:09] Unknown:
that you are running Bitcoin. It would be trivial for them to know that, I think, unless you're doing which is the whole reason that I got my Flint two router in the first place is because I didn't want to because I you have to set it up first. It's like you have to download it, and then you choose. So I'm gonna run this over tool with most of these setups. It isn't like, can I download the can I set this up, and then I'm gonna download it all over Tor? And if you did, it'd be really, really slow. So then you did the router level VPN so that you don't have that problem. Then I guess maybe it's not as bad, but I don't know. I think there's something to be said for having these VPSs because, also, especially if you're somebody who travels or you don't know quite how physically secure your property is or you have downtime because of power outages.
I know you can have these backups and stuff like that. But Or children that press the power button on your name. Yeah. Or children who press the power button. There's things like that, and I just think with some of these things, maybe it is better actually to have it separate. I don't know. Yeah. It it's one of those things where you're not entrusting any data to the VPS.
[00:41:18] Unknown:
So, like, for a lot of people, it's just a fantastic solution. And there's, like, there's great hosting providers that accept Monero, like my Nimbox. So you can do it in a way that is extremely privacy preserving in the sense that you're not even linking a credit card with one of these providers or anything like that. So I think for for many people, it's a great option. And they prefer Monero. Yeah. That is their preference. A badass. Yeah. They are. Yeah. Really, really cool.
[00:41:41] Unknown:
Alright. Also then, since you guys at Cake haven't really been doing anything at all, you never never do any releases or anything Messing around. Sat around on your hands. Have you ever thought about doing a really nice I know you probably don't wanna do hardware because it's a fucking nightmare, but would you ever consider doing, like, a Monero node package where maybe people could just get them from the conferences from you or something, and it's like an easy setup because you guys make everything easy and nice and just get a really nice, like, milled box. Remember what Ronan Dojo did with their Tantos?
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Yes.
[00:42:19] Unknown:
They were So nice. They were so nice. Like, if Cake did a nice, simple one click install note box, you guys, like, sponsor everything, and you're everywhere. And people would just come and buy them at the counter in Monero without giving any of their personal details.
[00:42:38] Unknown:
I don't know. I'd buy one of you. Yeah. I mean, it's it's definitely an interesting idea. Like you said, hardware and all the logistics around it add, like, a whole another layer of operational complexity to what we do, but it it would be really interesting. I mean, like, we've already worked closely with the Monero Nodo guys so that you scan the QR that it gives you and instantly add your node to cake and that sort of thing. So, like, it would be nice to have an even tighter integration between node and phone, especially maybe letting you do things like connect to it and use it to store your cake backups. So you could automatically sync backups of cake wallet to your node or using I mean, like, I would I would want it, honestly, not just to be a Monero node, but let you also do Bitcoin and Fulcrum and maybe a Litecoin node for those people who use Litecoin, especially with Mweb, within cake wallet, a Solana node.
[00:43:26] Unknown:
That's a joke. That's a joke. You could have your cake and eat it.
[00:43:30] Unknown:
You could, I think. It would be a lot. So it's definitely one of those things that's, like, a stretch goal as the cake team grows. But we are trying to grow very aggressively because users and revenue are growing very, very, very quickly. So it's definitely something I would want to do. I would love to have more of, like, a a hardware branch and do do Freedom Tech on the hardware side long term. But it is a lot of complexity, so I certainly won't guarantee it or give any deadlines or anything. Monero monthly, but it's the seed is planted and No. You know, there's a chance. Yes. Okay. I'll buy one. The seed is planted. I'll buy two. The seed is planted. Well, there you go. It's worth it now.
It's all I needed to hear. On that cake wallet note, that is our next software update for today. Oh, you have something for me. Yeah. We did actually do something. Just one release. Well, it's multiple, but I'll summarize it to just be five dot five. But, yeah, we launched five dot five this month. It has a lot in it. The most pertinent for Monero are the Monero orange theme is finally back to k quality. I know that was a lot of people's favorite. It was my favorite before we we mercilessly yanked all of the themes out to improve them and simplify how they're actually implemented. And we brought back the dark mode with Monero orange accents. It looks better than ever. So that is back. That's by far the most important thing we've ever released. So that's honestly the highlight.
There is a ton of other stuff in there. Most of it is not Monero related. The only little thing that kind of is is that we launched initial Trezor support for Android and iOS. Now that their new Trezor device is Bluetooth, we can finally do that on iOS as well. So we have initial support for Trezor. Unfortunately, that does not include Monero right now because the way that they implemented support for the new device only supports the coins that they support within Trezor, within their own desktop app, which is a little frustrating.
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They don't have Monero.
[00:45:16] Unknown:
They have Monero supported on the devices, but they don't have it in their what is it called? Trezor connect? Trezor It's suite. Yeah. Trezor suite. They don't have it in that, and so they don't have any of the functionality in their SDK that we used to What do they have on there? I thought they had all the coins and stuff. It's all the main ones, but, like, normal in wood debt, that doesn't include Monero. All the main ones? As far as I know, it's never been on the the Trezor suite. Yep. But Trezor has had support for Monero for a long time through the Monero GUI and through feather. Okay. That's weird. We will add it. It's annoying that it's not out of the box, but, basically, what that means is we will write our own implementation of Trezor connecting with Cake Wallet from scratch. And that'll let us do some improvements as well, like, not requiring you to have the Trezor app installed on your phone to be able to use it, plus other things that that we think we can improve on, and then, obviously, Monero support as well. So that definitely is still a focus for us. It's not in this release even though we do have broader Trezor support, but we will be adding that down the line. Okay. Last software update for y'all, Monfluo, which is a fork of a fork of a fork.
I'm not gonna lie. I'm completely lost as to the chain of heritage for this app at this point. I believe it started as Monero Joe, and then it was forked into something like My Monero or not My Monero, My Nero to be even more confusing. And then, it had another name. And now, it's Monfluo. Monfluo. It's supposed to be basically just a super simple Android only, Monero only wallet. It's been around for a while, but they released version zero dot nine dot two with some good improvements. Nothing crazy, but I just wanted to highlight it because I don't think I'd talked about it at all yet on Monero monthly. But they keep chugging away on updates, And it's always nice to have other options in the space. And I know the dozen of you that are actually Monero only, you can have your Monero only wallet there. Or you can use monero.com wallet, which is, without a doubt, the worst name of for a wallet of all time, but it exists. It is not good. Yeah. The name's not good. The wallet's good.
[00:47:15] Unknown:
The name's not good on Monfluo. When you were saying it, I was like, what man flu? Yeah. It's like I'm feeling a bit under the what is it? Us. That Monfluo.
[00:47:27] Unknown:
Classic. It only strikes Monero users. Uh-huh. Oh, well. Yeah. It's the insatiable urge within the Monero community to use Esperanto Yes. Even though no one uses
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Esperanto. Oh, Bitcoiners do it as well. It's terrible names. Most of Bitcoin is just fucking awful names.
[00:47:46] Unknown:
They don't have the excuse of Esperanto, though. No. They just are bad at naming. Like, Monero people just don't try, so they're like they Google, how do I say something Monero related in Esperanto? And I think they they pick the first thing on the list that the the AI provides them. But Bitcoiners just I don't even know where they get their names from. I have no idea. If I see another wallet or service with the word moon in it, I'm gonna lose my mind.
[00:48:09] Unknown:
I've been using moon, though. I asked Which moon? Moon. What is the moon? Which moon? Is there?
[00:48:16] Unknown:
Moon with with two n's?
[00:48:17] Unknown:
Moon with two u's. Two u's. Sorry. Yes. As you would spell moon. Mink, you have been talking about it a bit, like, especially now with the fees being so low for swaps. It's moon season. It's pretty good, but I couldn't work out whether they had an APK or not. I was searching around, and I'm always a bit stressed about being a fake or, like, shoot myself in the foot somehow. So I was actually asking in the group earlier about that, but Moon's maybe making a bit of resurgence. But you can't do a send all, which is really annoying, and there's no coin control, which is also really annoying. So other than that, it's good. Which I guess the coin control, I guess, makes sense because they're pretending to be a lightning wallet. Yeah. But the other part doesn't really make sense. Because you wanna send a UTXO in, swap it, and then send it out as lightning, but you don't wanna merge the UTXOs.
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So you wanna do in send all, but then trying to send all, you can't do send all. So you've gotta, like, fuck around and attempt it over and over again until you get the right amount. Yeah. Very annoying. Yeah. Yeah. That's odd. Honestly, I've had forgotten all about Moon, and then someone, like, maybe a month ago had mentioned that they're still using it heavily, which I I thought it kinda died when the fees went crazy, and everyone finally realized that it wasn't a lightning wallet. Yes. But, no, it still exists.
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Still out there. Any boosts and chats? Have we had any love from listeners or abuse? We do. We have a few. Finally, your time to read off the abuse. Here we go. Oh, Jordan. This is gonna be abuse then, isn't it? Jordan with 0.015 XMR. Testing chat, e cache is cope scaling. There we go. That was from last week, was it? The, ecash is cope scaling. I agree, mate. I agree. Jordan, again, with zero point zero one six XMR, Didn't turn the toggle on dot dot dot dot. Don't know what that's for. Didn't turn the toggle on. Oh, I think this was when we were XMR chats are supposed to flash up in Rumble now, but I don't think it worked on the last one. I'm hoping it'll work next time around. Jordan again, 0.015 XMR.
Trying out new features from XMR chat. Each of these XMR chats now comes in as a signal message. The fuck?
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I think you can get now XMR chat can do notifications
[00:50:37] Unknown:
through signal for new chats, which is pretty cool. That's cool. I love XMR chat. I love how simple it is, and now it's starting to get some extra features as well. Expatriotic 0.101010101.
[00:50:52] Unknown:
Very good. You you missed it, though. Check. 0.01.
[00:50:57] Unknown:
There's a reason I wanna annoy him. It's not because I'm dyslexic. Check out my new guide for getting a Monero node running at expatriotic.me/monero. We've already shouted you out on that, mate. So, yeah, definitely go and check out his guides. You know, he's writing a cake wallet set up a new skied with me at the moment. Oh, I like it. Yeah. We're gonna bring it to some of the meetups. I'd done, like, a first draft, and he's now gonna refine it, and he'll be with us soon, hopefully.
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Badass. I'm excited to see that. Yeah. Vegan Bitcoin,
[00:51:34] Unknown:
0.003 XMR. Great podcast. Lots of interesting shows. Great quality. Keep it up. I swear I'm not vegan. Alright? In case anyone's wondering. Great podcast. Lots of interesting shows. Great quality. Keep it up. Thank you, mate.
[00:51:54] Unknown:
Is it legal to be a Bitcoiner and a vegan? I thought that was, like, against the code or something.
[00:52:00] Unknown:
I think it's almost better to be vegan than it would be just to be a normal human being that has a normal human diet because you've gotta be on the extreme always. So you've either gotta be carnivore or vegan. And if it's vegan, it's gotta be, like, raw vegan. Like, you can't even cook the vegetables and fruit in case you cause them harm or something like that. Can we call that herbivore? It feels like that should be herbivore then. Yeah. We call carnivore the meat eating one. That's true. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We'll go with that. So thank you very much, you herbivore. Shaping society. Fountain boosts.
User 5331777.
[00:52:41] Unknown:
You are dyslexic.
[00:52:42] Unknown:
Oh, man. 35.
[00:52:44] Unknown:
35.
[00:52:45] Unknown:
You have no idea the extent of my dyslexia.
[00:52:49] Unknown:
Get the man's name right. Come on.
[00:52:51] Unknown:
It's it's bad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, user. Number number number number. And thank you for streaming 900 sats. Topota boosted 500 sats and asked, what are the pros and cons of swapping using cake versus using a swap service directly? Do I lose some privacy
[00:53:12] Unknown:
by using cake? That's one for you, mate. It's a good question. So you definitely do not lose privacy. At worst, you're gonna have the same network level privacy from the swap provider that you would have if you just open your browser and use one of the swap services. I would say, in some ways, it could be a little bit easier to have better privacy since instead of having to deal with Tor browser and download it if you don't use it already, you can just click the toggle on to connect over Tor within Cake Wallet now that we have native Tor integration. So for those with a little bit more advanced threat model, that's a a really nice option for the swap side of things. So, yeah, I mean, on the privacy perspective, it's pretty equal to your two normal options for swapping of using just a regular browser or using Tor. But on the other pros and cons, I mean, really, it's just gonna be way easier within Cake Wallet, especially if you have both the wallets you wanna swap to and from in Cake.
You never even have to copy and paste an address. Like, you just choose the wallets, say the amount you wanna swap. We generate the transaction for you automatically. You hit send once you review the details, and you move on with your life. So it's gonna be way simpler to do that rather than having to figure out how to send the address back and forth between the phone and your desktop or whatever for the swap service. So, yeah, the the main thing is really gonna be ease of use. It will be a little bit more expensive to do cake. Not much, but, obviously, we have to make money somehow, and that that's how we fund all the wonderful things that we do at cake. But it will be way easier, and you'll have similar privacy with easy tour usage. If you wanna just flip on that toggle in the the network settings in cake, you can do it all over tour too. If you want these, you've gotta pay the fees. That's a good one. Yeah. Do you like that? I do. The other thing is, like you said, it does fund the development.
[00:54:50] Unknown:
I really don't have a problem unless fees are outrageous. Like, if you're looking at something, you're like, oh, this is, like, fucking 10 times more. I'm not doing that. That's, like, just doesn't make any sense. Then, obviously, it's a piss type. But I look at it as, like, this is so much easier. I've gotta pay a tiny bit more, not a lot. And then where does that money go? Oh, okay. It goes to develop a lot of cool stuff. So,
[00:55:12] Unknown:
like, for me, I I like the easy easy route a lot of the time. Yeah. It's not going to fund a faceless corporation, and a lot of the money that we earn flows back into the Mirror community through CCS funding, through sponsorships of events and podcasts. It's definitely something where we try to give back very freely. Vic is incredibly generous, and that's one of the things that that drew me to cake. But you can help us keep building cool shit if you use cake for swaps.
[00:55:36] Unknown:
Definitely. Just do the tour toggle. VMVD boosted 220 sats with no note, and Samorat boosted a 100 sats and said thank you for the education. You are most welcome, Samorat.
[00:55:53] Unknown:
Man, no one even abused you or me. That was just, like, kind messages and a good question.
[00:55:59] Unknown:
It's weird, isn't it? It's very weird. Well, if you do have some abuse, do you like to, send our way? Please do. We'd love to hear it. And if you have any other kind messages, we'd like them too. Questions, etcetera. Until then, unless we've got anything else to cover, we will catch you on the Freedom Tech Friday. We should be live maybe a day or two after this goes live, and it will just be me and you, Seth, I think. It will. More of our beautiful voices in your ears. You're welcome, guys. And I think now I've gotta jump on with q, and he's gonna talk me through how to host it and all that kind of stuff. Nice. Depending on this time change stuff.
I I think it's gonna be now, so I'll jump on that, and apologies in advance if there's any problems.
[00:56:47] Unknown:
See you all Friday.
[00:56:49] Unknown:
Yeah. Cheers, mate. Speak soon. Yep. If you have any questions, please reach out and ask probably Seth, but you can try and ask me as well. And we'll catch you on the next episode a month from now. Before you go, I wanna say thank you for all the support from all the Ungovernable Misfits and the Ungovernable Misfits crew. Also, a big thank you to Cake Wallet and Foundation, not only for supporting this show and everything that Ungovernable Misfits do, but also for the general freedom and open source movement. We hinted to it in this episode, but Foundation have released a new device.
I'm very excited about this. If you haven't already listened to my episode, go back and have a listen. You can check them out at foundation.xyz. You can use my code Ungovernable for a discount. I think just for the passport, not for the Passport Prime as it stands, but either way, give it a go. It's just ungovernable, or you can click the link in the show notes, and it will take you to our own cool page that Mr. Crown's made all beautiful. Check that out. And also a big thank you to Cake Wallet. If you haven't already tried Cake Wallet, give it a go. You can use this on Mac, Linux, Windows, iPhone, and Android. I've been using it now for probably about six months, and I really like it. It's got some great Bitcoin features, great Monero features. You can link this to your own node on both.
It's got swap services, payment services, all sorts of things in there that help people who actually use Bitcoin and Monero. And if you have any questions while using it, you can just send in to our own little tech support here, and me and Seth will go through it in the next episode. Thanks for listening, and stay ungovernable.
