Max sits down for a proper chat with Business Cat—cohost of Rock Paper Bitcoin and founder of the Central PA Bitcoin Meetup—to unpack his big thesis: cyclical pole shifts and what that could mean for human survival. We explore physical evidence claims (from Arctic fossil layers and flash-frozen mammoths to wave erosion on ancient structures), the mechanics of geomagnetic excursions and potential crustal movement, and why some modern elites might be digging underground or racing to space.
Business Cat outlines a pragmatic, hopeful preparedness mindset: focus on high ground, redundancy (including floating platforms), skills, community, and sovereignty—while noting why Bitcoiners, with their self-reliance and antifragile tech instincts, are unusually well placed for turbulent decades ahead.
We also touch homeschooling, meetups, and practical steps for resilience: food, water, tools, fitness, neighbourly collaboration, and measured use of sats to build capability. Whether or not you buy the full pole-shift model, it’s an engaging framework for long-term thinking, with pointers to dig deeper. A glass-half-full take on uncomfortable possibilities—and a call to prepare without becoming paralysed.
Business Cat outlines a pragmatic, hopeful preparedness mindset: focus on high ground, redundancy (including floating platforms), skills, community, and sovereignty—while noting why Bitcoiners, with their self-reliance and antifragile tech instincts, are unusually well placed for turbulent decades ahead.
We also touch homeschooling, meetups, and practical steps for resilience: food, water, tools, fitness, neighbourly collaboration, and measured use of sats to build capability. Whether or not you buy the full pole-shift model, it’s an engaging framework for long-term thinking, with pointers to dig deeper. A glass-half-full take on uncomfortable possibilities—and a call to prepare without becoming paralysed.
- BUSINESS CAT: https://x.com/_business_cat
- ROCK PAPER BITCOIN: https://x.com/RokPaperBitcoin
- WORLD IN PERIL BY KEN WHITE: https://annas-archive.org/md5/e49d21b4d4df3529a351dd0ce0454e0a
- CENTRAL PA MEETUP: https://www.meetup.com/central-pa-bitcoiners/
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(00:07:16) Kicking off with the Cat
(00:12:42) Homeschooling
(00:22:30) Encountering the Pole Shift
(00:24:44) Momentarily Talking Meetups
(00:31:47) Discovering Pole Shift
(00:53:29) What Happens When the Poles Shift?
(00:58:49) Survival Scenarios: Famine, Winds, Tsunamis
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(01:10:56) Mapping The Hidden World
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(01:19:29) Plan, Prepare, Preform
(01:28:34) Thanks Again Mate
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Unknown:
Bitcoin is close to becoming worthless. Bitcoin.
[00:00:16] Unknown:
Now what's the Bitcoin? Bitcoin's like rat poison.
[00:00:20] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:00:22] Unknown:
Oh. The greatest scam in history. Let's get it.
[00:00:27] Unknown:
Bitcoin will go to fucking zero. Welcome back to another Confab episode. Today is a bit of a rush, so I'm gonna do this intro as quick as I can and in one take. Today's episode is with Business Cat. Business Cat is the cohost of Rock Paper Bitcoin with our good friend, Fundamentals. He's the founder of the Central PA Bitcoin Meetup, and he's the world leading pole shift influencer. It was the first time we've had a proper conversation. He had some really interesting points. We talked about all things, but the main topic was pole shift, what could be coming, what has previously happened, and how you can prepare. Before we start, I wanna say a big thank you to everyone who's been sending in boosts, XMR chats, questions, and generally getting involved with the Ungovernable Misfits crew. I have some boosts to read from the last episode with random Nim from my Nimbox.
If you haven't already listened to that episode, definitely go back and have a listen. It's made me rethink my setup, and there's some really good advice, not just around hosting, but on business, flag theory, and a lot of other things that people might wanna start considering. First up is late stage HODL with 5,000 sats. Great conversation. I appreciate listening to Yarl's perspective. But, Max, I think you are actually speaking to John McAfee. I hate to dox him, but it appears he needs to use something to disguise his voice or people are going to figure it out.
Maybe. Maybe. Chad Farrow streamed seventeen thirty sats. A I B L E sent a 100 and a prayer emoji. Riven Stokes. Interesting. Always wondered if these companies are using Insta background swapping services when accepting cryptos. Turkey sent 500 sats. Pie said, I used to like using Cake Wallet until they added Dogecoin. That was crossing the line with me. Can you guys please explain why your sponsor added Doge and still wants people to take them seriously? Yeah. Fair enough. I mean, if it's not for you, it's not for you. It doesn't bother me personally. There are much worse options out there than Doge. It's not something I have any interest in at all, but you don't have to use it.
Pies again with a salute. Henry said, great interview, but I don't understand why you all insist on using Monero when there is lightning. For example, I boosted the last episode 5,678 sat and only I seem to know about it. It really is hard to beat that for privacy, so I do have some more information for Kerim. I hope he might find interesting. However, I will email you about it as I bet this boost doesn't bloody well work either. Hello, Henry. Tam tam bam with 210 sats. Boss show, Max, my nim box is right in line with my thinking at the moment, and the finer details of your discussion, very revealing.
Put a donk on it. Big love. I don't know what that means. Put a donk on it. But thanks to the big love and the sats. Business cat also streamed 280 sats. There we go. Full circle. Right. Before we start, I also just wanna say thank you to our amazing sponsors. As they were just mentioned, MyNimBox. They've been sponsoring the show for coming up to three months now. It's been really good getting to know random Nim a little bit more and having conversations behind the scenes as well. I get a very, very clear picture that he is aligned and doing things properly.
If you haven't already reached out to them, if you're considering using their services, or if you have any questions, you can reach out to me, and we can go through them. But I very strongly suggest at least reaching out and speaking, seeing if there's something they can do for you. So it's my NIM box dot where's the dot? Let me just check. I was gonna do this in one take as well. My Nimbox my nimbox.net, apparently. Okay. So, yeah, check out my nimbox.net. Thank you also to Foundation. Foundation have been our longest sponsor. It's something that I use every single day. My passport, I absolutely love it. It's so simple to use.
It is beautifully designed. Obviously, an incredible team. You know the score, Zach, Q, and many others in the ungovernable sphere work in and around it. It's just nice to have something that works with a team that cares, that's fully open source. And if you haven't already used one, go to foundation.xyz, and you can use the code Ungovernable for, I think, dollars 10 off. It also lets them know that I'm shilling. So many times people reach out to me and they're like, oh, yeah. I just bought a passport or I just suggested to a friend to buy a passport. And do they use the code? No. You're leaving sets on the table here, guys. Foundation.xyz.
Finally, a big thank you to Cake Wallet. Even if Pai's doesn't like it because of Doge, it is still my preferred wallet, certainly for anything to do with Monero. I love that they have swaps, cake pay, features like connecting to your own node and fallback nodes. Things are very granular with them. The design is nice. They're constantly iterating. They're constantly supporting other projects in the space. They're supporting us. If you haven't already checked them out, go to cakewallet. I've gotta check this one as well. Tell them rusty. Cake wallet.
Cakewallet.com. A classic. I likea.com. Simple classic. Beautiful. Cakewallet.com. Check them out and enjoy the show. Business cat. The man, the myth, the legend. We finally get to speak. How are you, man? I'm very excited. Everything is good about today. The sun is shining.
[00:07:28] Unknown:
I'm speaking to you. The only thing I can complain about is the coffee order was fucked up, and I've got milk in my coffee, but we'll survive. Other than that, everything else is golden. How about you? I can't complain. It's it's kinda cloudy here. It's raining, but it's, you know, my, mother-in-law is watching my son right now too. I've got two kids, and, yes, they're being watched. And I'm here on a podcast. Everything's great.
[00:07:52] Unknown:
It's the dream.
[00:07:53] Unknown:
It is. It really is. Like, podcasters are important now. Like, we're we're helping presidents get elected.
[00:07:59] Unknown:
Yeah. We need more podcasters.
[00:08:01] Unknown:
Agreed.
[00:08:04] Unknown:
Well, I had your cohost fundamentals on few months ago. We were chatting about what you guys do and your interests and stuff, and he brought up, obviously, poll shift and all that kind of stuff. And I've I've been saying ever since that, I was like, I really need to speak to business cat, and I don't think we've ever spoken. You're in loads of the same groups as me and all that kind of stuff, but I don't think we've ever had a conversation, have we? No. I don't think we have. Our Venn diagrams cross in a lot of places, but, no, we've never connected. It's lovely to be here. Lovely to connect. Yeah. So I really wanna know about this pole shift stuff. And I said to Karim yesterday, because he's, like, our chief editor, our master editor now. I was chatting to him about a few things yesterday, and I said that I was gonna have you on. And he was like, oh, fucking can't wait for this one. I'm actually looking forward to edit it. We've got so many things in common that we think about, and his pole shift stuff's really interesting.
[00:08:55] Unknown:
Blah blah blah blah. Yeah. He and I connected offline. I mean, we we just called each other and had a chat, and, yeah, he and I agree like, so I listened to your episode with him, Ragnarok, and he is down a very similar rabbit hole to the one that I started going down in late November. But, yeah, we'll we'll get into all that. We will. We will. Karim, seems like he I think he and I should probably record something together at some point. Do it. Do it. Feel like we would be well suited to do that. Definitely. He's such a fucking weird guy, but I love him to bits. He's the perfect mix of very capable and smart,
[00:09:30] Unknown:
but fucking weird. So he comes out with, like, outrageous stuff, but it's still grounded in fact. So he's he's always interesting to speak to. Yeah. A lot of love for him, and he's been doing all our editing and stuff for the last, maybe, like, four months or something like that. So, a, taking off loads of pressure, and, b, like, the quality of what he's putting out is so much better than any professional editor that I've tried hiring previously. Like, honestly, me and John had given up. We tried and paid for, I don't know, at least four or five different people who are like, that's their job. And they were so bad,
[00:10:10] Unknown:
horribly bad. And then I was, like, at my wit's end, and I was like, who do I know who's just capable and can just do shit? I was like, right. Kareem. Yeah. It took, like, two or three times, then he just fucking nailed it. So shout out to you, Kerim. He's a man of many hats. He is. Yeah. He is. It's never occurred to me to look at hiring somebody to edit our show. So I'm dear listeners, one of the many hats I wear is I'm one of the cohosts of the Rock Paper Bitcoin podcast. I'm the producer of it. I do all the editing myself. I'm sure we could get to a point where I could outsource that to a third party, but I just I can't imagine leaving that, like, get letting that outside my vest at this point.
[00:10:44] Unknown:
Yeah. It's tough because you want the control, and you know how you want things to be. And, also, it took, like, seven years before I could get to a stage where we could just about manage to pay an editor and still sort of ish break even. Like, I did, like, seven years of normal seven till seven work and then driving home and then putting kids to bed and then fucking editing all the way through the night and then getting up just feeling like death until we could get to this point. So it is nice, but it was hard to let go of. And the same with, like I don't think you guys do live stuff yet, do you? You just do the recorded stuff. We do not. Yeah. That's another one that took a lot of convincing. Jordan was in my ear about it. Q and a was in my ear about it. And, like, after about a year of them in my ear, I finally was like, okay. Let's give it a go. And then weirdly, I'm quite happy with it being live. Like, I thought, oh, I'm not gonna have the control over things, not be able to edit things. What if the sound quality is not right? What if there are problems?
[00:11:48] Unknown:
Actually, it's quite fun. So I don't know. Sometimes these things that you think you could never let go of control of is actually quite nice. Yeah. I agree. This is getting pretty meta. We could definitely get into a whole conversation just about podcasts and, production of that. But all that's to say, yeah, podcasters are saving the world. We are shining the light on the important topics We are. That other places are not shining the light on. And, yeah, do your forty hours, folks.
[00:12:11] Unknown:
You have to. And, obviously, rock paper Bitcoin is part of that kind of is it intellectual silk road it's being called? I've heard us put in that group. I'm not going to claim participation in that group. I have heard that we are part of that. Yes. Yes. There's very few of these incredibly high signal
[00:12:27] Unknown:
zero noise, like, world saving podcasts, and rock paper Bitcoin is one of them. So if anyone's listening and hasn't yet checked it out, you and fundamentals are on. Is it every week or, like, how often are you doing these things? We record every other week. Every other week? That may change at some point. I'm starting to have a little bit more time. That was my constraint because time is I don't have enough of it. And but I think a little bit is starting to free up my four year old daughter. She just started a homeschool co op that she's going a couple times a week now. So Oh, nice. My schedule
[00:12:56] Unknown:
might be allowing me to get some more content production out there. We'll see. Homeschooling, that's, I wanna say, quite brave, although I know a few people who do it. Me and John have talked about this a lot. I liked the idea of it, and then I had kids, and then my idea changed very quickly. It sounds like it's quite full on even if it is great. Is it hard work? Yes. I mean, we're Bitcoiners. Hard work is par for the course for us. Yeah. Where do you wanna spend your CPU cycles? I know what state education did to me. Oh, yeah. I don't want that to happen to my children. Yeah. It's very true. And, like, a lot of the kids that I've met who are homeschooled
[00:13:37] Unknown:
are crazy smart, like, so much more. I was a state education kid, and I used to remember, like, every time I would interact with a homeschooled kid, I mean, boy, they're weird. Because, like, if they could talk and have conversations and ask follow-up questions and it's like they weren't like kids. They were like adults. And, like, now as as a parent, it's like, oh, okay. So in the world of automation and AI we're moving into, like, what areas are safe? What areas can I, like, push my children at Mhmm? With any sort of certainty that, okay, there's a future here, and it's content production. I like to say, what the matrix got wrong is that humans are not batteries. We're the seeds for your random number generator. AI can never be as perfectly random as humans because they're digital. And, like, as Bitcoiners know how difficult Mhmm. True entropy is in a digital system. And so that's a massive hobbling point for artificial intelligence. So what's a simple solution to that? Let's keep some humans as pets and let them be our seeds. And so okay. So podcasts seem to me to be very safe place for, like, direction of a child. Like, okay. You need to be an interesting enough person that people would wanna listen to you. This kind of goes separate from the rest of the conversation where we're going because kind of my viewpoint of where the world is going does not necessarily include podcast. Podcasts are going to exist for a bit longer, but I think they may be going away as a lot of other things that we think of are maybe going away as well. So there's a lot of considerations in raising children with what we're aware of now. Yeah. But that being said, like, this is why we're here. We have been put in this dimension to be fruitful and multiply. And if you're not having children, you're spinning your wheels. Like, what are you even doing here? Yeah. I agree with all of that. Like, especially as a lot of these kids who are going into state schools and the kids that I've interacted with, especially in, like, the British state schools and a lot of those types.
[00:15:17] Unknown:
I think, like, a massive part that is missing is the conversational skills. Yes. Like, conversational skills and what would you call it, like, critical thinking, almost like confidence with a lot of stuff as well. Like, I'm not that old. I'm not like John Old, but I'm old enough that if I wanted to go and put a shelf up or do something that's like, do a bit of plumbing or something and I couldn't do it, my mates would be like, oh, fucking hell. Come on, woman. Like, what are you doing? Why can't you get why can't you do that? Whereas now, like, a lot of the kids, if you said, like, oh, I've got a leak. We need to fix it. They'd be like, well, I need to call the man. Like, I need to call the man because the man knows, and I don't know how to do this. And there's a real, like, disconnection from the ability to, a, do things that are practical and physical and actually useful, and, b, conversational skills are not great. Like, storytelling is not great. And I put myself in that group as well. Like, if I look back at, like, say, my dad and his group of friends who were, like, very good conversationally, but their skills at storytelling are tenfold better than my skills at storytelling.
And the kids that I see coming up now compared to what I might be capable of doing are way worse again. So those are skills that are or seem to be, like, dying out, basically.
[00:16:40] Unknown:
Soft skills. You can't teach soft skills, really. You just have to throw kids out in the world and let them develop them.
[00:16:46] Unknown:
Yeah. You're right. You can't, like, go to a class and be like, make me interesting. Make me practically capable. My my missus laughs at me all the time because whatever it is, I'm like, yeah. I can probably work that out. You know, like, oh, the floor's fucked or there's a leak or the roof needs fixing or there's whatever the issue is. I'm like, yeah. I'll probably work that out. And she's like, fucking hell. Yeah. You can work everything out, can you? And I'm like, kind of, because I've just tried and failed so many times, billions of times at everything that all of those failures mean that I know kind of what not to do, and I have a very, very long list of what not to do and then a shorter list of what to do. And when I combine the two of them, I can kind of tick through
[00:17:26] Unknown:
and work things out. Yeah. I think Bitcoin is the ultimate tool for this because it really encourages people to just go do things. Mhmm. That's what it was for me. Let me start by, giving the audience my background. So if you're not familiar with who I am, let me let me walk you through my quick synopsis of my life to where I am now, and then we can get into where I'm going and where I think we're going from there. Do you know what? That's my poor podcasting skills. When I do these, I just jump on with a coffee and just as if I'm sat chatting to someone, and I haven't done an intro properly. So I apologize, audience, and I I apologize, business cat. Let's have a little bit of a backstory about who you are. No. I'm I'm the same way. I like to have conversations, and I'm realizing that we've been chatting for a while now. And I have a couple people who've called and find a follow me around and listen to everything I do, kind of like a small dedicated audience. And I've gotten that feedback from them before that I wanna hear you talk about x, but you're just having a conversation. Mhmm. So let's about me. So I was born in Central Pennsylvania up in the Appalachian Mountains of Central Pennsylvania. I went to the air force. I was in the US Air Force signals intelligence from 02/2006, 02/2012. While I was there, that was the first time when I heard about Bitcoin. Although, like, that was the Chuck Schumer speech in 02/2011. He's like, there's people buying drugs on the Internet with magic Internet money, and it's like, I can remember that was the first time I ever heard the term Bitcoin.
I got out in 02/2012, went to college, met my wife, and while I was in college, I had the time to learn about Bitcoin. I went to Penn State Penn State Harrisburg. Interesting. Like, it feels like a lot of the things about a lot of things about my path made me well positioned to see Bitcoin earlier than other people, and I feel the same way about Pullshaft. Just a lot of the things about the path that I've walked just have put me in a position to see this earlier than other people have seen it. This is the same thing as Bitcoin in my opinion now that, like, Bitcoin is obvious. Once you see it as obvious, oh, okay. And then everybody's gonna get this eventually, but, like, no government will ever hand a tool that conquers them down to their citizens. So, like, this is gonna be a bottom up solution. It's like we're all gonna figure it out for ourselves. And the same thing, like, I'm really, really feeling is pull shift. Pull shift answers too many questions for it to be ignored for me personally. And so back to Bitcoin. So I I got out of the air force. I was in college. I wanted to buy weed. So I'm a vet, you know, like, ten years older than everybody else at college, and I had to go to college kids at a dorm room to buy weed from them. Oh. And And it was not a fun experience for me as, like, an adult veteran being like, hey, fellow kids. Do you want you wanna sell me some marijuana? That's fine. It's like, here's here's me trying to deal with, like, the I don't wanna call it PTSD. Everybody has PTSD, but deal with my issues from my service time. And put in this situation or like, alright. Chuck Schumer has told me that if I have the technical know how, I can have weed delivered to my room, to my to my mailbox. Yes. So I was like, alright, mister Schumer. Let's look into this. The government trusted me with signals intelligence. I'm probably smart to figure this out. And it was just encryption. There were resources online to figure it out and it was just asymmetric encryption learning how to send a encrypted message to protect yourself from third party actors.
Mhmm. And and to do that, like, okay. So I wanna buy what? Okay. I'm gonna need some Bitcoin. I had to go get some Bitcoin. And then at some point, I'm in college. I have all the time in the world, and I had the moment of realization like, oh, this Bitcoin is significant. There's a reason that this marketplace is using this technology. This is world conquering technology. Mhmm. And so this would have been this was 2014 when I started buying my first Bitcoin, but I didn't get serious about it until 2018. I got out of college, went and worked for Deloitte. Deloitte and Touche is, like, one of the big professional services companies around the planet. I don't know if people have heard of them, but, you know, they they are one of the big four. Oh, yeah. I've got a few mates working there. Yeah. So I love that Pierre Ochart used to work for Deloitte, and that was one of my big badges of honors. Like, oh, yeah. I worked at I I started my career and really ended my career at the same place that Pierre Richard ended his career. I went to Deloitte. I was doing cybersecurity work for Deloitte for one of their contracts. They would have these giant contracts, government level contracts where, like, we would get all just a list of IP addresses. And it's like, okay. Break into these, write a report on how you did it, and then they can harden it so that the bad guys can't do it. So, like, essentially, I was a white hat hacker with a salary, which is not very common in that world. Most people do that freelance No. Or contractually.
I was doing it for a salary and for dental insurance, which was nice for a while, but at the same point, like, I I had already had my bell rung about Bitcoin technology. I wasn't a Bitcoin maximalist at that point. I was still loading up on everything and thinking I was intelligent about it. Mhmm. And at some point, I I realized, okay. What am I doing? That would have been the 2038 to, like, push to 20 k around then is when I kind of had my eyes opened about what I was doing and went full in on Bitcoin. And several years later, our first daughter was born, and my wife and I had a conversation about we're not gonna put our kids in daycare and have mom and dad working all the time. Like, who wants to stay home?
And my wife was much further along in her career, and she had much more desire to stay with her career. My wife is a CPA, very intelligent lady. Mhmm. She outclasses me in in a lot of areas. But so she she very grace leads. So I I'll say you you can be a stay at home. You got your Bitcoin stuff going. You be a stay at home dad. You can spin up all of the stuff you're doing with Bitcoin. And yeah. So I got started a podcast, all these different things. And, yeah, that's where I'm now. But in 2023, late twenty twenty three is when I encountered this concept known as pole shift, a geomagnetic excursions. Mhmm. And it similarly to Bitcoin, I dismissed it at first. I kept not being able to dismiss it. Like, the the claims being made were not dismissible based on my personal history, like, being an air force intelligence person, my history with Bitcoin. Everything lined up, and I couldn't disprove it. So I kept having to go further into it to try to find, like, where is this wrong? Very Bitcoin either.
[00:23:03] Unknown:
Where is this wrong? Yeah. Where's the floor? Mhmm.
[00:23:07] Unknown:
So March '24 last year was when I was like, alright. This is now to the point I have to talk about it publicly. And so I put out an episode of a rock paper Bitcoin. We did what was it was episode 34, I think. 34, 35. Apocalyptic equine. And that is when I presented it's not it's in hindsight, it's not really that great of an intro to the topic because I sound kind of crazy in my own ears even then because I was I was terrified. It's a terrifying topic, but there is hope. Once you get over the terror, it's like this is a new focusing point for humanity. Like, it's worth being scared to get to that point. But yeah. And then earlier this year, I heard Ragnarok and Ocarim is going down a one of the avenues of this from as I understand it. And so that that was I saw people were commenting on on that episode. Like, you gotta have business cat on to talk about this. And, yeah, so that's that brings us to this conversation we're having right now. Yeah. Yeah. Well, even before the Ragnarok
[00:24:02] Unknown:
episode, when I've spoken to fundamentals, he was mentioning that you were really interested in pole shift. And I'd listened to a couple of pods. I think Elon was talking about it and someone else was talking. This is maybe, like, a year ago or a year and a half ago or something like that. I was like, oh, who is the other one? What's the guy twelve thousand eight hundred years ago, blah blah blah blah, has his own series coming Graham Hancock? Graham Hancock. That's it. He was talking about it as well. And Randy Carlson. And I was like, you know, these guys are all pretty on the money with a lot of stuff. There's obviously gonna be something to this, but I didn't really give it any more thought. And then, obviously, fundamentals brought it up. Then I was speaking to Karim, and then he brought it up. And I was like, okay. Yeah. I really, really need to have this conversation. So before we do that, I just wanna also mention you founded the Central PA Bitcoin and Meetup. Is that right? That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. Because I I really like to try and promote as much as I can these meetups, and I really, really wanna start doing some not promotional material, but, like, educational material from ungovernable misfits and, like, the surrounding pods and people to try and get out to these meetups. Because I find a lot of these meetups, the ones that I've gone to previously, were either, like, a bit shit coiny or they were kind of just about number go up or they just weren't for me. And then there's other ones that have been really stand out and, like, they're doing the Ashigaru, walk throughs or they're working on helping people set up nodes or there there's just, like, stuff where I'm like, that's really fucking cool. What made you decide to make your own? Was there nothing around, or was there something around, but it wasn't your scene? Or, like, how did that go? Because it's quite a big step to actually set up a meetup.
[00:25:43] Unknown:
I believe it was 2021. There was nothing around. I came back from the, Bitcoin Miami where they had had announced the El Salvador Bitcoin thing Yeah. And was just amped up on Bitcoin. And I was like, alright. You know what? I'm starting a meetup. Yeah. So I started and had a couple, like, virtual screen share lessons, and then, yeah, we'd run from there. We have events, like, about once a month. Okay. A small amount of pretty dedicated people that come out, but, yeah, we're still getting new people at almost every event, and it's still growing. That's for sure. Nice. And do you have, like, a specific focus there, or is it more, like, just so that people can catch up and have a beer and, like, chat one on one? We do both. At some point, I realized there was another group of people in my area that they didn't have a meetup, but they were starting a meetup esque group of Bitcoiners trying to get together and have conversations.
So I just I reached out to their leader and was like, hey. Do you wanna be the admin be my co admin of the meetup? He was very excited about that. We just kind of merged groups together. Okay. And so I've been really stepping back and kind of dragging my feet on Bitcoin meetups to be quite frank about it. Okay. But I'm very thankful that Lonely Pumpkins has stepped up, and he's been doing a lot of things. So we have, like, a monthly, coffee. We get together and just chat, like, a coffee meetup on Sundays. And then he also has been doing get together, and he puts on a, like, a PowerPoint presentation on various topics. We had buying shares versus buying stats was the last one that we did. Okay. Really, the conversations that we have a lot, though, is, like, new people coming in asking, like, what is this thing? Like, they've had their bell rung, and they're like, where does the path start? Like and so, like, we're setting them up with, okay. Well, you need to install a self custodial wallet and get on River and buy some stats and then self custody them. That whole thing is mainly where we're focusing on lately. Once you're in the weeds enough and you've been around enough, it's sort of difficult to remember what your thoughts were right at the beginning.
[00:27:24] Unknown:
But if you're all honest with ourselves, it's like, okay. This is a valuable thing. It has value. I wanna accumulate it. How do I store it? That's kind of, like, the start of it. And then everything past that, like, you have to go through that first tip of, like, why does this have that? Does it actually have value, and why does it have value? And then it's more like, how can I start using it? But if you guys want, like, we've got expatriotic helped make an Ashigaru presentation, like, setting up and using that. We're gonna be working on a k quality one for people to be able to work out how to use that. I plan to do more and more of this sort of stuff. So maybe we should talk, like, more offline and, like, see if there's something that Ungovernable can help with because we wanna kind of make these ready to go. My plan was make a ready to go walk through on something, like, relatively technical that's gonna help people with their privacy and how to use Bitcoin that someone can stand up, do the presentation.
Whoever does the presentation at that meetup gets a free T shirt and hoodie from us. And then we have, like, a little quiz or, like, questions at the end for people, and whoever wins that gets gets a T shirt or a hoodie or a hat or something like that. That's a great little idea. I love that. Yeah. I just thought it'd be, like, a cool way to have some influence in what people are learning about because not all meetups are focusing on the Bitcoin that we might care about. You know, it can be quite different. So I wanna try and have some influence there and have, like, ready to go stuff. And once we have one ready for one meetup, it can go out to as many as people are interested in taking it. So, anyway, we'll we'll talk about that offer. I think standardized content would be very useful, but, yeah, to your point of I've been in this so long that people seem to enjoy listening to me talk, but I really don't feel like I'm the best person to be presenting this to the newbies at this point. I sound like a crazy person to some people.
[00:29:14] Unknown:
It's like it's like I just don't care anymore. Like, yeah, I work for myself. I've been in Bitcoin for, like, ten years at this point. I'm more interested on focusing on truth and freedom Mhmm. Than having a polite conversation. Yes. Our most recent meetup, I feel like I was kind of mean to one of the boomers that was there just because he was a boomer. I kinda regret that. It's fine. Like, you know, when you first start, it's like, certainly for me,
[00:29:34] Unknown:
my main focus in a conversation was to convince the other person, a, that I'm right about Bitcoin, b, that they should probably buy it. And then I would have, like, a defensiveness where, like, if they're questioning things or being like, oh, that's dumb. I'd get, like, a little bit upset and, like, oh, you're questioning my thoughts. And at this stage, like, I just don't even fucking talk about it to people, normal people. And and if they have anything, like, oh, yeah. Well, I think that's dumb because the whatever. I'm like, good. Just don't buy it. I don't care. What you're describing is largely to the point I'm getting to with Polls Chef now. Right. Like, I don't care. Like, pretty much everybody
[00:30:11] Unknown:
I talk to, Bitcoiners included, don't take this seriously. I can count on one hand the number of people that I know personally or not not even personally, the number of people in the world that I know are really taking this seriously. Mhmm. Ben Davidson is, like, he is the tip of the spear of this on weatherman on x. Okay. He is, like if you're interested in getting into like, he is the person to follow. Right. Agrarian Contrarian, he's a local Bitcoiner here in my area. He's taking this very, very seriously, and, like, I am taking this very seriously. And that's about like, I've heard other people will pay at lip service, but I find myself very frequently in conversations just having the comment, oh, that's gonna be underwater. And, like, it's rough to to to get anyway.
[00:30:52] Unknown:
You can count on on your fingers how many people take it seriously in the world. Can you make me take it seriously? Give me a a rundown of because I honestly like, you know this probably from listening to, like, me talk to Karen. I'm not very good with science. I'm not particularly knowledgeable about any of this kind of stuff at all, but I I like to think that I am somewhat open minded and think that there are things that maybe are not talked about enough and maybe could be actually a major problem. And I've also seen that things that do matter and are very important can be ignored like Bitcoin by the majority of the world. So I'm I'm at least open minded enough to say, like, convince me. Tell me about it. And, like, if it is a problem, I wanna be prepared because, you know, I've got kids to look after and a missus to look after and yeah. Like, it matters. The safety matters.
[00:31:47] Unknown:
Bitcoiners are well placed for this. Like, don't take anything I say on faith. Like, go look into this yourself. Like, I didn't take any like, I I looked into like, there is a massive amount of physical evidence for this on our planet, all over our solar system. This is the thing that like, it answers too many questions. Like, why does the world look the way it does? Why do we have ancient sites that appear the way they do? Why do our elites seem to be, like, why are they tunneling underground and trying to get off the planet at a desperate rate? Like, there's just this answers so many questions. And then the circumstantial evidence is not evidence, but, like, just look at the direct physical evidence. To start there, like, my journey started with the book World in Peril.
Mhmm. This is a book that was published in 1994 by the author Ken White. Ken White is a guy that, as far as I can tell, is still alive. I can't find much information about him. He attended the Air Force Academy. He was born in the late forties on Ladd Air Force Base. The Air Force Base that this project Nanook was taking place from, like, he was born in that Air Force Base. And his father was major Maynard White, the commander of the forty sixth reconnaissance squadron who was tasked. At the end of World War two, the allied powers realized that, okay. Well, our next enemy is going to be the Soviet Union or our next I I I got something that enemy it's always been enemy. Like, this is not just competitor. Our next enemy is gonna be the Soviet Union. Okay. If they're gonna attack us, it's gonna be over the poles. At the this point, like, we were still operating and, like, doing navigation with magnetic compasses. Mhmm. We need to learn how to do war in a polar region. Project Nanook in 1946 retasked a bunch of these b 20 nines. Like I said, the b 29 was the Super Fortress. It was the airplane platform that dropped the atomic bombs on Japan.
And not a lot of people know this, but, like, people realize that, oh, yeah. The atomic program. Why is the name of the atomic program? The Manhattan Project. Mhmm. It was massively expensive, but it was only the second most expensive line item of World War two. The most expensive project in World War two was the b 29 Super Fortress. The b 29 Super Fortress is a marvel of engineering. It's it's I could do a whole podcast just about the b 29 Super Fortress. It's such a cool piece of technology. But end of World War two. Alright. We now we now have new enemies. Like, the old enemies that we needed these b 20 nines for are gone. What are we gonna do with them? Alright. Well, they tasked a bunch of them to go up to Alaska. They renamed them b 20 nines to f thirteens because they were no longer combat aircraft. They were now, like, reconnaissance aircraft. Mhmm. Although they still did have guns on them occasionally. They sent a bunch of these f thirteens up to Ladd Air Force Base in Alaska for project Nanook with their mission being go learn how to operate closer to the magnetic poles where the compasses don't work. Mhmm. So they were using grid positioning to learn how like, let's figure out where the pole is because the last time the magnetic pole had been surveyed was, like, the late eighteen hundreds. It was at one point up in Northern Canada. So they flew their b 20 nines out and mapped it out. Like, alright. Where is it now? It's not in the same place as it was where forty years ago when we mapped it last. Mhmm. And it's not just one. There's actually three magnetic north poles. Like, as we're flying around, like, this like, as you get closer to one, the other one, your your compass flips one eighty because there's not just one pole that it's always pointing to. No. There's three up there. Yeah. And we just down here at the lower latitudes, it's generally pointing to the same direction. We use the weighted average of these three as what we call the magnetic north. Mhmm. There's not just one magnetic north. There's three up there. They were discovering things like this. They mapped out, like, okay. Here's where we're gonna put our forward reconnaissance bases so that if they launch ICBMs, this is where we will, like, have sensors, all that kind of stuff. This was like they had several mission objectives. This was us learning how to operate as a military organization up there.
And so somebody had the idea. So, okay. So this thing's moving. What happens whenever the magnetic pole hits the actual like, it's it's headed towards the access point of our planet. What happens when it gets there? That question was asked. I was like, I don't know. Where is it now? Alright. Let's let's go there and excavate. Let's go down. Let's excavate down below, like, where it is. This is like a project that only governments could do even, like, now. Like, thinking, like, how could a billionaire fund this? Like, yeah. Like, somebody like Elon Musk or, like, a Jeff Bezos or maybe even, like, a, a Rogan or somebody, a Joe Rogan. Somebody with enough probably a Bitcoiner. Mhmm. If we have enough time, we'll confirm this. Like, as Bitcoin sneaks in, like, the thief in the night and completely turns the, plans of these elites upside down. Somebody's gonna do this again. Project Unhook, they went up and took a bunch of excavation material, heavy machinery up into the wastelands of Alaska and started digging down under one of the magnetic poles was. And what did they find? They found smashed trees that were not petrified trees. There was a layer of sand. Under that, there was a layer of smashed and destroyed trees and vegetation and animal remains.
Below that was another layer of sand. It's like so basically it alternated from tropical to arctic to tropical to arctic to tropical. There were nine layers. The fuck? As far as they dug down, they like, they only dug down nine layers, but they discovered nine layers that alternated. And this is just the first discovery. They realized, like, they're what is this? Alright. Well, we need to this discovery changed how where like, looking at, like, what was our nation doing at this time? Okay. Okay. Well, we had expeditions down to the South Pole. We had project Nanook going at the North Pole. We had, there was Nanook ended in in the fifties, so it wasn't we had projects going on the North Pole. We had operation ice worm going up in, in in Greenland. We were learning how to dig under the ice to thick the we'll drop ICBM silos into ice and then power them with a nuclear reactor. It's like we're we're trying all these crazy projects. And then this event happened where we discover this alternating fossils of tropical and Arctic, and pretty much all of these other expeditions end, and all of the focus goes to the North Pole. So Admiral Byrd, who is a person that people will have heard of if they're into certain conspiracies, like, he was retasked, and he he had to come up to work on this project up in the North. And when he was up there, this is when he wrote his book. There's definitely evident like, psyops exist. We know this. Mhmm. Then, like, how far back do psyops go? It definitely seems that there are some ideas and theories that have more effort and power behind them than they should. I'm sure there are people out there that actually believe in flat earth and that the birds are drones. But, like, it seems like a lot of people that are into some of these conspiracy theories are doing it just to, like, rib and, like, just to be trolls. Mhmm. And so, like, the idea it has been floated that, oh, at at the, South Pole, there's a hole at the South Pole that goes into the Hollow Earth. And Admiral Byrd wrote there there's some interesting entries in Admiral Byrd's journals and diaries about about this stuff that he was discovering at South Pole. From my understanding, those journals and diaries were written while he was up working at Ladd Air Force Base being retasked. My read on a lot of these things is that they discovered this horrible secret that the planet turns over with some repeatable frequency, and this cannot get out. Like, this this is society ending information. We need to, like, salt the field essentially with that with other competing theories so that whenever this one inevitably gets out, even though it has way more physical evidence for it than any of the other ones, like, people will dismiss it. It. Had I not had my mind kind of altered from Bitcoin, I I would have dismissed it. Just so I follow, when you say the Earth flips,
[00:39:02] Unknown:
do you mean if you're looking at it like it's a football floating in the air and the north is the north and the south is the south, that it literally turns
[00:39:13] Unknown:
a 180 degrees, like, downwards. Is that what you're saying when you say flip? As if, like, one pole that it was north now becomes south and south becomes north kinda thing. It's not exactly as clean as that, but yes. So people have heard of the magnetic shift. The the magnetic flip of the poles were like, oh, well well, who really cares? The south magnetic pole come to the north? North magnetic pole go to the south? Mhmm. It's like, no. There's a physical component to that as well. The planet flips with it. It's not exactly one eighty. Karim was getting into the, mechanics of this electromagnetic how the electromagnetic solar system works. Universe.
Electric universe or something. Yeah. Yeah. The electromagnetic universe. And, like, that's a big part of it. Mhmm. We have an approaching wavefront of the galactic magnetic field. It is spiraling out from the center of our galaxy and, like, the next wave front is approaching our solar system. And it brings with it a lot of dust and debris and things. When it arrives, things are going to be bad. He has gone I I I don't wanna, like, dismiss his theory because, like, he he and I agree, like, with 97, 98 other than, like, he he's worried about October 31 Yeah. The Perseid meteors. He's worried about them acting as a bit of a, like, a circuit breaker or something. Mhmm. That is something to be worried about, but my understanding is that it's the next solar cycle when this stuff arrives, this, solar but, like, people can get it. Like, I don't want it. Like, I am not I have not drilled down into, like, the mechanics of this, specifically. Like, I have tried to stay, like, as high level and just focusing on the physical evidence that we have access to. Dear listeners, like, the big asterisk, like, I'm get like, as I'm going through all of this evidence, like, I will get that. Like, there's definitely things that I have misunderstood and have gotten wrong. But, like, that being said, like, I am giving you my best effort as I understand it currently. It's like, I've only been in this for, like, coming up on two years at this point. Mhmm.
[00:40:59] Unknown:
Can I just ask another question then? So if that happens, when they dug down and you're saying, like, there's, like, ice, then there's sand, like, tropical stuff, there's, like, a repeatable, there's this, and there's that, and there's this, and there's that. Two questions, really. How long are these timelines of these poll shifts where you go from tropical to ice? And two, how do we know that it's not just that we had a whole ice age across the entire planet, and then we had a warming up of the planet and everything was tropical.
[00:41:34] Unknown:
And so that it's not that it's actually to do with where that pole is is moving, but actually just the the entire surface of the Earth looked completely different at that point, and then it changes again? No. This is a great question. This is an absolutely valid question. I mean, like, the natural state of our planet is a glacial period. Like, we're we currently exist in an interglacial period. It's like we we think of, like, a we're we're worried about the planet getting warmer. It's like, no. The planet is natural state is way colder than this, and it's way worse if it gets colder. So the idea of, like, the entire planet could have been covered and then it just alternates like that and that would be there. Like, that's okay. Fair.
So Admiral Byrd, while he was in Antarctica, found fossilized leaf stem imprints and fossilized wood under the ice. Shackleton, the guy who got to the South Pole, he found coal beds within 200 miles of the South Pole. Coal beds come from ancient forests and forestation does not occur when there's darkness for six months. Also found near the South Pole were fossilized footprints of prehistoric reptiles, cold blooded creatures that do not exist, need an external source of energy needed to be somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's way more evidence than this. Like, there's Spitsbergen Island is an island in the Arctic Circle, and it shows ample evidence of tropical corals around it. Contains considerable amounts, coal deposits. It has, water lily fossils showing evidence of a warm, marshy environment.
And the real kicker here is that prehistoric frozen, not petrified trees on Spitsbergen Island have no rings. So, like, where do trees have no rings? Trees have no rings where there's no seasons at the Equator. Everywhere else, their only two answers there are either mass amount of trees with no rings were swept from the Equator all the way up to Spitsberg And Island where they were interned and not petrified, but frozen in in a mass, or the Equator once went through Spitsberg And Island. Those are the two options.
[00:43:17] Unknown:
All the whole Earth was tropical everywhere, meaning those water lilies and the trees and everything were tropical
[00:43:26] Unknown:
for a certain period of time and that you had these cold blooded creatures that could live because it was hot. You're not, yeah, you're not wrong. This is a a valid you still have, like, massive forestation does not occur in areas where there's darkness for six months. Why is there darkness for six months? At the pole so because of the tilt of the axial tilt of our planet. Oh, right. I get you. Yeah. So, like, it's like the vampires would love to live in in Alaska because they get a bunch of time to be outside hunting.
[00:43:52] Unknown:
You're right. Yeah. And in parts of Norway, up high north in Norway, it's like six months of no sunshine. It's just darkness all the time. So is that like, some of these questions are gonna be stupid just because I don't understand this kind of stuff very well. But, like, is there any way that that could have ever been different, or is it always the same because the sun's always in the same position and we're rotating around? There's no way that without a pole shift or a movement of the actual Earth
[00:44:22] Unknown:
that that could be different. Do you know what I'm sort of trying to get at? Like, that's always constant. Yeah. I'm definitely open to hearing another hypothesis for how these trees could have gotten there. Mhmm. But my understanding of orbital mechanics is, like, the sun is a is a flashlight. Our planet is, like, just a ball of dirt that goes around it. There's Yeah. Really not that much mechanics or things to play with other than kinda, like, moving the surface. And that ball
[00:44:45] Unknown:
of dirt goes around it, but flat. It's rotating it's not rotating north goes to south and south goes to north. It's rotating the other way and always has done and always will do, presume. When you're saying about, like, the mechanics of it, it's not that it's on a slight tilt, no, for a certain amount of time that happens.
[00:45:06] Unknown:
If you look at other masses in, like, rotating in microgravity, You may have heard of the the tennis racket theorem. It's also known as the Dzhanibikov effect. Right. And it's if you, like, spin a tennis racket in microgravity, it spins correctly for a bit and then it flips around the other way and spins that way Right. And it flips back. And it's just back and forth and back and forth. Like, it slowly gets sloppier and then it goes flips to its orientation. That's not the exact process or mechanic that is happening on our planet, but it's close enough that it's a useful metaphor to use. Okay. Back to World Imperils. Like World World Imperil was written by Ken who was the son of the commander of the squadron who did all of this research. And all of it for whatever reason, all of this information was classified top secret. All of the math was processed by the human computers at the Rand Corporation back in the day as they were trying to figure out, okay, when is this next shift going to happen. But the reason this book seems to have slipped between the sensors cracks is that Major White kept all of the scientific results, kept a copy of them, and gave them to his son. Right. So his son went up to the attic and then used this to write this book all about, like, the entire history of the squadron. And it's like, this is I feel like my experience with the air force. Like, I read through this looking for like, okay. Where is he full of crap? It's like, okay. None of this part's full of crap. Like, there's lies in this. It's just lies in the scientific results, and I don't have any reason
[00:46:26] Unknown:
to see that. An interesting thing to see because, obviously, if you were trying to debunk it to some degree, you could say, okay. Well, the son could say that the father has passed him down this stuff, and it could be full of shit and so that he could release a book and blah blah blah. But a good way to know whether it's bullshit or not would be, okay. Can we see or can we dig in that site to see if there is tropical then nontropical then tropical then nontropical? Because if the mechanics of the way that the earth turns are confirmed as in that's how it turns and always has done and that there's the six months without the light and all of that, then you're right. I can't see a way that you would have forests like that or you would have tropical climates like that. It's I can't see how that could possibly be. And then it's like, well, then we have to think of another way that they could be there. And then like you said, it could be the it's been swept up there maybe from floods or some other issue, or it could be a pole shift like you're talking about. So but it's something. You can't just look at that after digging and go, oh, yeah. That's fine.
[00:47:30] Unknown:
There's something weird there. There's definitely something weird. Have you followed the Alaskan boneyard?
[00:47:36] Unknown:
No. I haven't. You're aware of him and, like, his he he goes on Rogan and stuff? No. I've heard Rogan talk about going to someone who's very wealthy's property and that they had a load of mammoth bones and stuff like maybe going through, like, a river or something like that or, like, that might be the same guy? Yeah. It might be the same thing. So the the boneyard in Alaska is a it's a gold mining operation in Alaska,
[00:47:59] Unknown:
and they're just using high pressurized streams of hot water jets to cut through all of the the muck to get down to the bedrock. Right. And because, like, that's where the gold's heavy. It ends up down the bedrock. Yeah. So, like, as they're cutting through this muck, this company has existed for over a hundred years. This company was where a lot of the, bones and that ended up in the Smithsonian were from this company. Because as they're cutting through all of this muck and stuff, they're they're finding prehistoric mammoth, saber tooth, cats, all kinds of, like, giant beavers Nice. Everything. It's just a essentially, all of the topsoil, everything above the ground rock in Alaska is just a massive viscera of shattered trees, destroyed animals. This is not the only this is just like, we know of this because it's, like, happening in Alaska, and it's in popular culture because the owner the new owner is now going on Rogan talking about, like, he's got a beef with the Smithsonian because he says, like, the Smithsonian is covering up a lot of the stuff they've sent to them, and, like, he wants it back. Anyway, there that's a whole other story. But, like, this is just one aspect of popular culture that kind of dips into this. But, like, the idea that the ground is just made of smashed bones. Like, that's all of Alaska, essentially. Right. You get up near Fairbanks, it's just like during the winter, the ground is super usable because it's frozen. But then during the summer months, it's just everything is a swamp. Right. And that is elsewhere too. Like, in, the archipelago of the New Siberian Islands. If this is real, this has been covered up. And it's not just been covered up by our government, but it's also like, our government isn't the only source of information in the world. So, like, other governments like Moscow, like the Soviet Union, why weren't they more vocal about this? I mean, like, why hasn't Russia now been more vocal about this? They also have their own evidence. Like, the Siberian Islands are almost literally composed of the bones remains of millions of animals. Flash frozen, mammoths, saber tooth giant cats, rhinoceros, buffalo deer. And they were flash frozen so quickly that in 1930, the Moscow Academy of Sciences served mammoth steaks at their banquet.
What? Yeah. Like, you you've heard that mammoths were, like, frozen so quickly that, like, it's like, there's the day after tomorrow. So I get the idea that air from the upper atmosphere is, like, sucked down and it freezes things and, like, so quickly that, like because there's a famous case of we found ancient, mammoths that were frozen so quickly they have undigested food in their stomachs. Woah. So it's like, okay. How does that happen? Okay. Well, a pole shift will will explain it. Like, mammoths like, we always we always think of mammoths existing. Like, if you picture one in your brain, you're probably picture it in, like, an Arctic tundra, but that's not where mammoths live. Mammoths lived in, like, the the tundra, the like, where there was things for them to eat. Mhmm. Mammoths, you're not gonna support a mammoth frame in in the, in the Arctic. Yeah. But that's where we found them. So that's where we just assumed that that's where they were. But, like, now they they were frozen so quickly that 6,000 oh, I I that was a question you had, the frequency of this. It seems to be a six thousand year cycle with inflection on the twelve thousand year events. So every other one is a really bad one. It's like a clock, six and twelve, and there's these changes and rotations and stuff. It's weird. I'm looking through a list of my evidence here. It's like the the only other earth earth based evidence I have on my list here is that, yeah, mountains of Italy have beaches of sand formed by wave action that are at 1,500 feet. It's like, okay. There's many you you could maybe those maybe those mountains were formed elsewhere and then they pushed up to 1,500 feet.
Okay. Maybe. But they also, meanwhile, have beaches of sand formed by wave action. The Pyramids At Giza look an awful lot like they have wave erosion, karst erosion on them. Mhmm. Indicating were the Pyramids, like, partially underwater at some point for a period of time, like, long enough to erode them? Maybe. Like, there's they're definitely covered in salt. Why was Gobekli Tepe intentionally buried? It's like they buried it to protect it. Like, what were they gonna protect it from? I don't know. Something you'd protect from Derinkuyu. Derinkuyu in in Turkey is a massive underground city that could hold, like, up to 20,000 humans and animals. Mhmm. What what were they hiding from? Like, why go underground? Everything seems to lead back to the it's like there's a micronova event that puffs out a lot of plasma that really messes up our solar system about every six thousand years. Yeah. There's definitely, like,
[00:52:07] Unknown:
something, like you're saying, with these underground cities and and the amount of attention that was paid to the sky's timing of everything. It definitely seems like humans were monitoring things, and they were preparing for something, whether that's massive floods, whether it's meteors, or whether it's pole shift or what whatever it is. I don't fucking know. I have no idea. But there was definitely something that they were watching for. And the amount of effort like, I saw clips of that city, the underground city. It's fucking amazing. It's not like someone's gone, just dig a hole just in case, like, something happens. It's like, that is unimaginable
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how much work has gone into that. Like, it's not for nothing. Right? Imagine, like, the kind of and so a society that saw this issue coming is going to be a society that is looking up. Graham Hancock's series ancient apocalypse is incredible. It goes through all of this evidence for this ancient civilization that was wiped out by some kind of catastrophe. He puts it at the the feet of the Perseids. There's zero chance that he hasn't heard of the pole shift hypothesis, and yet he keeps coming back to to the Perseid meteor shower, the same with Randall Carlson. Mhmm. I don't know how to read that on them other than it's I can understand why pole shift is a spicy topic to get into. And once you wrap your mind around it, it's like, okay. Well, what would happen if the planet physically turned? It's like, well Massive flooding. All of the water would slosh around. Yeah. The atmosphere is not tied down. So, like, okay. Our this planet's spinning at roughly a thousand miles an hour. It's like if it changed okay. So you're you're telling me that we're gonna have thousand mile per hour winds at certain point points on the planet as it shifts in about a day. Like, it it takes like a day or two to shift. This is a rapid thing. This is not like a slow event. Mhmm. This this happens rapidly. The sun puffs out of micronova which potentially ignited because of the approaching magnetic wave front of our galactic center. Like, all that dust arrives, all that dust is deposited onto our sun. This episode of our, rocket bit Bitcoin I labeled apocalyptic equine because it this disaster theory kind of maps pretty good onto the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Right. First one is the white horse.
Our sun is white right now if you look at it. Mhmm. But, like, I remember when our sun was yellow. Like, our sun was yellow in my childhood and it's now white. That's an interesting thing. So I read that as the first horseman. The second horseman is red, the red horseman. That is okay. A bunch of dust is gonna get deposited over a period of years onto our sun. Our planet depends a lot on solar output so things are gonna get really difficult whenever the solar output decreases to the point that food gets scarce. Mhmm. The next one is the black horse. The black horse is alright. The full dust is blacking out our sun. The questionable how long this lasts potentially up to eight months to a year before all of that is puffed off. There's only certain ways we know how to create a stellar nova dumping a bunch of dust onto it, an accretion disk. That's one way. Another way is a magnetic kick. And we have both of those things approaching our local sun. And so, like, the, black horse okay. So the sun goes black for a period of time. Things get really dark. And then the last one, the the pale horse and death comes with him. That's the micronova. All of that dust is dumped into our sun. Our sun puffs it out and messes up everything in our solar system. Like, we see evidence all across our solar system of some kind of massive violent thing occurring could be a micronova. That micronova event will cause so much magnetic action.
Dear listeners, I I encourage you to look into this. I'm speaking as I understand it, but, like, the this, will allow the crust of our planet to unlock from the mantle. And this is the real kicker of, like, where the shift happens. Basically, like, under our crust between our crust and mantle is kind of a, like, plasticky, mushy, lava y mixture. It's sticky. It holds us there. But whenever we have this amount of magnetic energy dumped into our planet, what is normally a sticky mass gets much more viscous, and that allows our planet, the crust, to turn to where it wants to be. Where does anything want to be if it rotating in a microgravity? It wants to have its heaviest points at its at the end of its orbits. So, like, our planet is desperately trying to right now get Greenland and Antarctica to the Equator because that's where they want to orbit naturally. Those are the two heaviest points on our planet. So they naturally they want to get to the Equator. And whenever this micronova puffs out enough energy to detach our crust from the mantle, in rapid short order, they will reposition themselves. And that's, like, that's like the the and then it came a pale horse and death came with them. So, yeah, like, we're going to live through ten years of, call it, difficulty from our local star. And then on top of that, it's gonna end with worldwide tsunamis and worldwide,
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like, thousand mile per hour winds. So you're saying that if you think of, like, the Earth as a ping pong ball, the crust is like the outside of the ping pong ball. You're saying that that the crust would rotate, but everything underneath it kind of stays as is, and it moves the heaviest point of the crust is what's moving downwards. It's not the the entire
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if you think of it like a a solid ball, it's not that the entire ball is flipping a 180 degrees or or whatever amount it would flip. It was actually that the outside layer would be moving. That is as I understand it. And so it's like our local magnetic field is is driven by our nickel iron core that is rotating inside of, another metal. And, like, you rotate metals magnetic fields opposite each other. That's how an electric current and electric field is generated. Mhmm. So, like, if you could view our planet's electric field as the planet's surface was slipping like, the the magnetic field will stay stay just where it is. Mhmm. Our crust will slip over it. The magnetic field is moving in and of itself, but, like, just in that moment is one way you could visualize it. And so if that happened,
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I sort of, like, went through this with Karen with with his you're both talking about an event that would wipe out presumably most of, if not, a lot of the planet. Is there anything in your scenario if we have a pole shift and if this happens, thousand mile an hour winds, massive tsunamis? Like, I can only try and roughly visualize what that might look like, but it's fucking mental. Is there anything that you can do on the planet to survive, or must you leave and go to Mars or whatever some of the elites are like? I don't like calling them elites, actually. You're right. Elite's not the correct term for them, but it's it's fine to call them Fucking parasites.
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Like, they just were aware of this problem earlier. So, like, they spent all of our tax money digging a massive deep underground base network all across the country. They're still dependent on our money. All of this is, like, like, the craziest, most perverse, like, the Bible predicted Bitcoin kind of thing of, like, the meek shall inherit the earth. These elites have put all of their cards on them being able to pay their bills with dollars, with whatever their national currency is. Bitcoin comes in and takes that away. Like, okay. Sure. I imagine that deep underground, they have their own energy sources, but right now they're not. They're pulling energy from the surface. A known tunnel that is publicly known is from DC to the Harrisburg area where like, I I live outside the Harrisburg area. And I went to Penn State Harrisburg on what used to be Olmsted Air Force Base. Why was Olmsted Air Force Base built in Harrisburg?
If DC is nuked, we need a place that is far enough outside the nuke zone to base our fast reaction squadron. Olmsted Air Force Base in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, the whole reason for existence was to house the fast reaction fighters that would be punching back after we were attacked. And so, like, we know that there is a high speed electric tram that goes from DC up closer to to to Philly, and then it goes right right through York and right up to Harrisburg. And, like, it it's known there. If you drive along the, the turnpike that that bisects Pennsylvania, like, left to right, east to west, regularly, you will see high voltage three phase power just going into the ground Mhmm. Near the highway in the middle of nowhere. It's like, okay. That's Mhmm. That's being used for something. It's Like, I like, I don't have evidence for this. There's loads of evidence for the deep underground military base network that, like, nuclear threat is a threat, but, like, you don't need the level of base probably been built just for nuclear. There's there's more to it than that. Elon and Bezos are trying to get off the planet. Like, Bezos is in the Sierra Madres. He has he has he's digging into the mountain right across the road from his spaceport.
So he has this century clock that that he's building into this underground Mhmm. Fortress that he's building. This happens with regularity. And, like, humans have survived this a thousand times before. Like, our our we will survive at this time. How can you protect yourself from this? High ground for one is obviously imagine a globe in your head or, like, I bought a globe just so I could kind of look at it physically. Put your finger on Greenland and put your finger in Antarctica and then rotate those to the Equator and then just picture how the water will slosh in your brain. Not not everybody has a has like the visual brain but like I can picture it in my brain. So without doing a computer model, I can it's like so last time it happened, we went the other way. So it just goes back and forth and back and forth. And so last time, we rotated the other way to the current to our current orientation. And if you look around the planet, there seems to be loads of evidence that the ocean washed over something. The Rishot structure was all washed out to sea. That was, like, potentially the where Atlantis was, the last the peak civilization that came before, like, they were wiped out by the pole ship. And that's Africa, isn't it? That's, like, West Africa? It's Mauritania in West Africa. Yeah. So high ground is Anybody can build a boat. There's a reason that Noah built an arc.
You can build a floatable platform. Depending on where you are will be the prescription for the preparations that you should take. When the tilt starts happening, when the shift starts happening, I mean, we we already will have had to have survived years of famine level conditions worldwide at this point. So, like, that's the first thing to get ready for. But after that, okay, after you survive that, okay, now, like, where are you in the world? Like, if if you're in an area where the water is gonna come inland, what you're gonna face is essentially the tide is gonna start coming in rapidly and it's not gonna stop. The tide's just gonna keep coming in until it's a thousand feet high. If you have a boat, a platform that you can hop on, there's gonna be a lot of debris in the water, but you could you could potentially float inland until it starts receding out and then you dear God, you don't wanna get sucked back out in the middle in the middle of the Atlantic. But I mean, like, that is an option. If you're high enough in the mountains, Ben Davidson is the I I mentioned Ben Ben at the beginning of this. He is basing his his citadel. I mean, he doesn't call it a citadel, but, like, this is essentially the concept of Bitcoin citadel. Like, Bitcoiners were already kind of thinking along these lines, like, oh, I I need to build a citadel. It's like, oh, well, it's just you're gonna be protecting from the planet physical effects, not from the world's economic effects.
And so, like, Ben Davidson, he's based in Colorado. He's based in the he calls it the Valley Of The Sun. You can look it up on Google Maps. It's he he has a a campground now that he that he just opened. Okay. Observer Ranch is the name of it. That's his play. He has planted his flag, and it's like this is where I am he thinks that this is high enough. The Rockies are going to absorb a lot of the the ocean from The United States if you look at the way it's gonna rotate. So, like, the tide is gonna go out here on the East Coast, and then it's gonna come in with it's once once it comes in, it's gonna come in with a massive amount of energy and go much further inland than it ever hasn't before. And so, like, I am in Pennsylvania, Central Pennsylvania at one of I'm I'm I'm fortunate that cosmically, like, my family has property at one of the highest points in the Appalachian Mountains in the state of Pennsylvania.
Like, that being said, like, I'm not super confident that the Appalachian Mountains are high enough to deal with this. I have to trust God with some amount of this. Like, God put me on this path for a reason. Please, God, protect my family. Like, like, you put me here. Like, this is where we're gonna make our stand. Even our property, like so a grand contrarian is he's also going to be and has been contributing to to our plan, our Citadel plans. We're gonna be underground, but we're also considering building some kind of floating platform. Just because we're near the top of a mountain doesn't like, it probably could be insurance to have that. There's just so many layers to like, it's like protection, like, first level. Like, hey. Well, you're gonna need guns to protect yourself from the other people as the society falls apart. There's just yeah. There's so many layers to this. And eventually, like, you get to the point where bit Bitcoin really becomes irrelevant. Yeah. Like, if there was any technology that could survive this, Bitcoin is the most anti fragile technology that humans have ever encountered, have ever messed with, ever created.
But you wipe out 99% of the species. The the satellites won't fall out of the sky immediately, but a lot of them are gonna get fried from the micronova. The the big question is how much industry survives on this planet. It's like the the Carrington event was I mean, you talked about the Carrington event with with Caram. It's like, if this is like a Carrington event and then multiply it by an order of magnitude up,
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it's like we've all we have a lot of electronic stuff on this planet, and it's, like, potentially all gonna go away. Yeah. Also, it's like in that disaster scenario, you're talking about, like, even before there is a pole shift, you're gonna go through famine. You're gonna go through those four horsemen, the stages. And so there's gonna be darkness. There's not gonna be food. You know, all this stuff. In those situations, it is just gonna be who has food, who has weapons, who has water. And outside of that, a lot of the other stuff that we worry about as Bitcoiners is kind of irrelevant and probably would be for a very long time. I think if anything, there's gonna be violence or barter or collaboration. Like, it's gonna be like either, look, you help me, I'll help you. I have eggs, you have this, or it's gonna be give me your shit. Otherwise, I'm gonna blow your head off. It's gonna be those because at the end of the day, like, we're all nice and peaceful and, collaborative until my kids can't eat, and then there's a problem. And I don't care who it is because they need to eat. And that's with everyone.
So I guess, you know, the same as the conclusion that we came to with with Karen, with with the exception of have high ground and have a floating platform is still try and be friendly with your neighbors. Try and have weapons. Try and have some self sufficiency where you can and be prepared, which is I guess it's kind of, like, just a generally a good thing anyway because even if nothing happens in our lifetime, whether it's a flood or it's well, whatever it is, like, even if nothing happens, it's not a bad thing to be self sufficient, and it's not a bad thing to have a few weapons, and it's not a bad thing to be friendly with neighbors and people.
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So it's not like the type of insurance you need to take out that's gonna cost you an arm and a leg. Like, this is actually useful stuff most the time. It really yeah. And it's we we do have a bit of time. The best evidence for when our local magnetic field is gonna be so weak that really just like a sneeze from the sun would be catastrophic. It is gonna be then in the next solar cycle. Which is what? Like? Late twenty thirties, early twenty forties is really when the target for this is gonna be really if this is accurate, we should start to see luminosity decreases in the sun by the mid twenty thirties, I would estimate. Like, the luminosity is this is interesting. There's there's a movie coming out. What's it called? The the new Andy Weir film. He's he's the guy who did the Martian Right. Project hail Mary. K. It's coming out next year. And the the whole like, I don't know if you've read it or anything like that. The entire premise of that movie is that the sun is decreasing in its luminosity, and all of the suns are decreasing in luminosity except for this one. So we're gonna send a mission there to this sun to figure out why it's not decreasing in luminosity. Okay. So it's not the pole shift. It's not it's not a magnetic field front approaching, but to to slightly spoil the the book, they have their own they have their own reason. It's interesting that this kind of idea is kind of getting out there now in the public eye, the public mind, that the scary thing is not a warmer planet. The really scary thing is a colder planet. And there's a lot of evidence that the planet's gonna get colder. Yeah. So
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and you said earlier about you remember the sun being yellow, and now it's white, and that that it would go orange and then dark. Is that something that is measurable or recorded in some way? And is there an explanation for why that's happening if it is measurable and recorded?
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I have not seen scientific results based on it. I've heard other people make the claim. Hearing other people make the claim that they remember the yellow sun reminds me that I remember the yellow sun too. I remember lying I I can picture it now because I thought about it so much. I remember lying on my back in our on our driveway and just, like, playing the game when you're located, like, seeing how long can I stare at the sun? And, like, it's a different I mean, who knows? Human human brain memory is what it is, fallible as it is. I remember it being yellower than it is now.
That alone in of itself proves nothing. It could entirely it it actually might be nothing, but it's just one of those things. Like, all of these things together is just like, this is an awful lot of circumstantial evidence. Yeah. And then it would presumably if if we have that problem, then all of this solar and stuff that that's being put everywhere is gonna be fucking useless.
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I was thinking when you were saying about the tunnels and, like, that there are more tunnels than we know about and all this kind of stuff. Is there not something that we can do with, like, lidar or some type of technology like that where people could fly drones and just map out actually where tunnels are, or or is there not technology that is readily available that can go that deep or or through maybe lead or whatever they've lined it with? Generally speaking, ground penetrating radar does not go that deep, and, yeah, lidar is laser based. So let's say you're you're mapping the surface of things, so, yeah, definitely lidar. Basically, there are technologies out there that you can map the interior of of the planet,
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but most of those things require, like, government level access. Mhmm. It's like you you need to put a sensor in a polar orbit so that you will map the entire surface of a planet and then put a magnetometer on there or something. Some some kind of magnetic map. Okay. Like, there there are definitely ways we could do it. There there's also, like, you you may have seen recent semi recently, there was a claim that some Italian company could see inside and under the Great Pyramid. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They were they were on a parallax. So, like, using publicly based low Earth orbit data available from, like, Planet Labs or somebody, they were measuring parallax. This is a real thing, but what they're claiming to do with it makes no sense to me with my understanding of physics. There's definitely something under the Great Pyramid, but, like, the what they're claiming is just ludicrous to me. Right. You could also like, if you had enough sensors, you could use the cosmic background radiation to map the interior. You could map the entire thing if you just had sensors in the right place because we're constantly being bombarded by electrons and neutrinos and, like, everything, like, radiation from extra solar places. Like, you could use those as an X-ray machine if you could just line up your film at the right point.
These are level at kind of, like, things like only a hyper Bitcoinized society where you had people that were so uber wealthy that they could move those kind of, like, nation level projects.
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Do you think when you were talking about a lot of the poll stuff and the expeditions and all that kind of stuff, it was making me think, like, another conspiracy theory that's out there and you hear a lot is Antarctica conspiracy theories and people thinking that all sorts of things are going on up there or had gone up there and that there's a reason people can't visit and blah blah blah. Do you think there could be any link between
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those two, or do you think that's something used to throw off the scent? I can't dismiss it. I'll say that. If this idea of full shift is true okay. Antarctica at one point was at the Equator, that it was not covered in ice. And one of the ways I've heard Atlantis described was it was an island at the end of all the oceans, which is a way that you can describe Antarctica. It's it's an island at the end of all the oceans. And so, like, it's it's possible that Antarctica was the center of this ancient civilization that was wiped out. And, like, the reason why nobody we don't incredibly difficult to go down there. So, like, I could finance my own expedition down there. No. But, like, somebody could. Like, I definitely question why we haven't been able to do more down there. And, like, there was recently a pilot that flew down there and went and landed on it because he wanted to get the checkbox of I've landed on on every continent, and they immediately arrested him. But, like, that was just the government of Peru because he didn't file a flight plan. So it's like like, there wasn't some, like, secret or, like, black van that drove up and, like, nabbed this guy. So Antarctica is a really, really inhospitable place. Mars is like Antarctica, and just Mars doesn't have oxygen. So it's like, think how hard it is to live in Antarctica and then remove the oxygen. That's how hard it's gonna be live on Mars. Mhmm. I think there's, like, a level of that. Okay. It's inhospitable.
There's no reason to go there. But then there's also, like it looks an awful lot like there's pyramids down there buried under snow and ice. Yeah. I've seen some of those pictures, and they do look
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interesting. And there's also some stuff on the moon on and on Mars that looks interesting. Yeah. Boy, the moon is an interesting topic too. Yeah. Like, as I say, like, I'm quite open minded on stuff, but I also know my limitations. Like, where you or Karen might say, oh, my understanding of physics says this isn't likely or this isn't I'm like, my understanding of physics is I wasn't allowed in the classroom because I was a fucking annoying little cunt that had to stand outside. I'll go a certain depth with conspiracy stuff, and then I'll just go, maybe. I don't know. Like, I'm not smart enough to know, so I don't know. But some of those pictures, if they haven't been edited, my brain can go, that's peculiar
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to say the least. There's something weird there. There's a lot of weird things all across our solar system too that to date, I don't see anybody really questioning. Yeah. It's so fascinating because it's like
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a lot of the stuff where it's like, oh, yeah. Well, that's being buried for a reason or the the information is being hidden because it would cause uproar between the people and all the kind of reasons that you can come up with of why something would be hidden. And at the same time, there's all these secret societies where secret information is passed down and all these kind of things. And it does make you question like, well, if there are secret societies with secret information that's held very, very close to their chest and protected by military and special organizations, and they can use as much money as they want because they can control the money and take it from us to fund these projects. It does make you question just how, like, crazy and weird the stuff gets, and my gut feeling is a lot of this stuff is right. There are serious dangers and threats to the planet. There are some really fucking weird things that have been hidden. There are lots of things that have been faked, and I don't know. I guess it's kind of, like, partly once you understand how fake the money is and fake a lot of the systems are and how, like, stupid some of the things that we chase. Like, if I look at people being like, oh, I wanna buy this $40,000 handbag and, like, that that's, like, what they're obsessing over. You're like, oh my god. You're so lost. You've been pushed in a certain thought pattern or you think that things are important that are so far from important while other things that actually are being covered up. Like, it definitely feels like there's a control of, like, keep the people busy, keep them thinking about things that don't matter so we can just carry on with what we're doing. You can't put your finger on it or I can't put my finger on it completely, but I'm open to what you're saying. I'm not listening to what you're saying and going like, oh, yeah. This guy's a fucking lunatic. I'm like, that could be totally reasonable.
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The question of, like, who the elites are is also, like, very valid. And they They? The elites. Like, they started getting ready for this seventy years ago. The people that are maintaining it now are not the same people that started it. Are they building a breakaway civilization? What happens, like, on the weekend? Like, the guards. Do the guards know, like, what they go down and they're like, do they have families? They go home to their families? Mhmm. Are they living down under these bunkers? Like, or or do they get to the see the sky as they're waiting for this apocalypse to happen? It's like there's real valid questions. Like, it doesn't really make sense unless there's some kind of other larger intelligence at play. Like, if this is just humans, I can't imagine just looking at the elites now, like, where are they building their bug out shelters? It's like they're not all the same. Look at Zuckerberg and, Oprah Winfrey, and, like, they're on the side of a volcano. They're digging into Hawaii, which is, like, one of the worst places I could think of being for this. Like, okay. When this happens, every volcano on the planet is going to erupt simultaneously. Yeah. I was just about to say, like, volcano sounds like an extremely
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retarded place to other than it's cool, like, you know, like Austin Powers Bad guy Larry. Kind of style thing. But outside of that, it's
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really fucking stupid. Yeah. That leads me to believe that there is some level of tears in the elite. Like, the Zuckerbergs, the the Oprahs, like, they were useful enough to get their foot in the door far enough that they knew that, okay. Well, there there's something that but they're obviously not being told the whole story, or else why would they have chosen that location? You guys are like the foot soldier peon levels of the of the elite. You're the fingernails they're willing to sacrifice whenever, like, the actual event happens. Like, they're not gonna let Zuckerberg into their real deep underground base. I wouldn't let Zuckerberg into my base. He's not someone I'd like to be stuck underground with. He's a bit creepy and weird and
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fake and just awkward. I could spend some time with Elon even though, like, maybe people don't agree with some of the stuff he does or says or whatever. Like, I think he'd at least be quite fun, whereas Zuckerberg, I feel like he's maybe a bit rapey. Like, I'd I'd maybe have my back to the wall.
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I feel like Elon is aware at least that they, the elites, aren't gonna let Elon into their bunkers either, which is why he's focusing so hard on the Starship program and the boring company. What's he trying to do? He's trying to get out of our gravity well, and he's trying to dig underground. Like, okay. Well, yeah, they're not gonna let me in there, so I need to save myself. I'll do my own. Which is, like, the the ultimate Bitcoin or thing. Like, nobody's coming to save us. We have to save ourselves.
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Would you not in an underground bunker be fucked anyway? Because, like, would water not find a way in? Would there not be cracks as the earth shifts and you're talking about the crust? Your entrance gets buried by mud? Yeah. Yeah. No. I've being underground, like It's not for me, the underground thing. A part of this apocalypse is gonna require being underground. Like, there's a reason that Darren Coulee was built.
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This micronova. If you're on the side of the planet facing the sun when it puffs off this, you're gonna have a really bad time. But it that's a very short amount of time. You're we're talking, like, under ten minutes of 700 to a thousand degree temperatures on one side of the planet. And, like so you need to be underground. You don't wanna be on the surface when that happens. Oh, it's the heat. But it's not like you need to live there. You just you need to be, like, just for, like, a very short amount of time. Like, you like, whenever it's coming, get in the shelter. And then, like, after that, you can get back out and get on with what you're doing. I didn't know it was heat. I thought it was for meteors, like, things dropping out the sky that you'd wanna be underground.
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I'll tell you what, though. A thousand degree heat, you're fucked.
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Sheet lightning, like the Thor's hammer of, like, sheet lightning. There's a reason that Valles Marineris on Mars looks the way it does. It looks like it was hit by an electrical discharge. Mhmm. That's another thing. Like, everybody on the planet is gonna get hit by whenever this discharge happens, like, yeah, there's going to be continent size lightning sheet lightning discharging into the planet. If you're under that, you're screwed. You're just fucked. Doesn't matter if you're underground or you had just screwed. There's no surviving that. There is some level of prayer that's required here. Like, dear god, put me in the right place place at the right time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You'd also like a thousand degree heat, one thing you could really sear an incredible steak. You know, like, you have these like, you don't wanna be anywhere near because you are dead. You now have these special cookers where you can do a steak in, like, thirty seconds or, like, fifty seconds. It's, like, fucking hot, like, a thousand degrees or whatever, and it, like, perfectly says it's done. That's the only upside of this. The same kind of thing. Like, there is a point up there in the upper atmosphere somewhere, like, out in space, there if you dropped a steak right there, it would fall through the atmosphere, cook itself perfectly, and land right here on my plate ready to eat. But I just I can't get the steak up there.
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It's a shame.
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That would be nice. I guess the takeaway is it's very easy to get really nihilistic really quickly with this topic. I think I'm just barely out of it. I've been nihilistic and just it's been this is a difficult thing for me to wrap my mind around, but I I'm in the camp of, like, I actively must prepare for this and teach my children to prepare for this. Going all the way back to, like, the homeschooling thing of, like, okay. Well, like, I've got young kids that are gonna be probably around, like, 18 when this happens. Like, they're gonna be young teenagers when the game starts. And, like, what level of preparation am I going to teach them? If I'm wrong, that that's that's cool. I'm I'm quite ready to be, like, the crazy old man. If I'm wrong, I think I'm wrong about the timing. I hope I'm wrong. Yeah. I'd love to be wrong. I'd love to find the the the smoking gun here where it's like, oh, actually, this whole time, I'm just crazy. You'd love to be wrong directionally as in it's probably gonna happen, but it's not to you or your kids or your grandkids or your great grandkids or their great because there's a level of, like, eventually, you're like, oh, fuck. If it's gonna happen, I want it to happen to me. Like, I don't like let's not wait. Like, let's pull this band aid off and get this train on the road. Like Fair enough. Not for me. Looking at the example that has been given to us by the boomers of, like Yeah. It's okay. Just kick the can down the road. Your descendant can deal with this. You don't have to worry about it. You just live your life, have some booskies, and you're just gonna have a good time. Don't worry about it. It's like, no. It's like we're done with that era of humanity. You're like, bring it on. Can you just if you are praying for it, like, if you're like, just bring it on now, can you just sort of give me
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five years or something just so I can just see my kids grow up a little bit, just have, like, that magical time, and then I can go and fight this and at least they've lived some sort of life. Because the idea of thousand foot waves coming famine and all that, I'm just it's been a hard couple of years. I could do with just, like, five nice years. So if you are praying for it like Karam is, like, bring it on kind of stuff, just give it a little break. You're gonna have five good years, Elite. You're a Bitcoiner. Like, Bitcoiners are the most well placed people to be prepared for this as anybody else on the planet. Because, like, what's gonna happen in the time between now and this d day? It's like, oh, Bitcoin's going to eat their money. That's not gonna change just because the planet's ending. Bitcoin's going to win because it's the best technology available. These people who have depended like Zuckerberg, like, Zuckerberg has to pay his electricity bill. What happens when he can't?
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Like, he's he's like, oh, well, I have somebody else is gonna get to use his awesome bunker. That feels like this was indicated in many religious texts of, like, at the last minute, the game board's gonna get turned over. Slipped. Yeah. Yeah. If you're stacking stats, if you're a person who is forward looking enough to realize that you need Bitcoin to protect yourself and your family, you have everything going for you that you could have going for you. You have the best starting point of anybody in the world right now other than the demon lizards who are hidden this from us. Yeah. The demon lizards. The Satan pedophiles. Mhmm. It's like, yeah. They're they're out there. Don't be them. We're better than that. Yeah. Definitely. God will protect us. Yeah. And if you are a Bitcoiner and you are well positioned and the value of your currency does go up, also, like, don't be afraid to spend it on the shit that you're gonna need. Like, don't be the huddler
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who's worrying about hitting a certain number, and you've got a certain number in your head, and I'm gonna be worth this if it hits that. Have some preparation, have some tools, have a home, have some skills, be physically fit, teach your children what they need to do. When we talk about Bitcoin as being well positioned, I see that in areas of the mesh to Dell. I see that in certain groups. But as a general term, in terms of Bitcoin, used to be, like, people who hold Bitcoin. That now is a lot more broad, and I do see a lot of Bitcoiners wouldn't survive a fucking cold. Like, genuinely. Like, I look at around at some of the people these days, like, compared to 2017, 1819, those sort of periods.
And they are soft as shit, couldn't build something if they need to and couldn't survive something if any. So so so if you are one of those people and you listen to the pod, I would just say, like, invest some of your
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sats in yourself and your family and tools and knowledge and everything else because the actual Bitcoin itself isn't gonna save you. It's what you can do with the Bitcoin. And so just just bear that in mind a little bit. Like, the worst thing that you can do is sit still. Yes. Like, the the ossification is death. Yes. It's like that's what the Fiat world wants of us. Get to the point when you're comfortable enough. You've got the house. You've got the car, and you can just sit back. You're right. You know, you were right. You've invested correctly. Just sit back. Just just relax, entertain yourself to death. That's a very real danger for Bitcoiners. Like, as all of us get exponentially wealthier, it's like, don't get comfortable.
Stop. Yeah. Don't stop.
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Yeah. I think so. I think, you know, you do see it. You get the the Bitcoin derangement syndrome, you know, with the people who are early early, and they've done really well. And then there's, like, other groups of us who are like, life's got a bit easier and, like, we have some hope. It's kind of more what it is and, like, not getting lost in that and not getting and thinking I'm never selling these precious hats and all that kind of stuff. Like, starting businesses, starting projects, and learning skills, and bettering yourself is really important. And I was guilty of the, like, oh, I just wanna stack as much as I can and not live life. And I do look at back at, like, parts of my life and being like, fuck. You missed out there, mate. Like, you should've yeah. Okay. You you stack some more sounds, but you missed out. You should've gone on that trip or, like, gone and seen your friends at this point, or you should've gone and done this or that. Or, like, there are things where, like, you can't buy back memories.
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You can't buy back time, and, like, that's something to be cognizant of. Yeah. If your goal is just stacking as much Bitcoin as possible, that sounds an awful lot to me. Like, why do you want that much Bitcoin? Oh, you want it so you can just you wanna get to a point where you can relax. Like, you're stepping so hard because you wanna be done. You wanna be just, alright. I'm done working. I'm I can just sit back. Yeah. I'm retired. Yeah. No. Do you wanna sit still and think that you've gotten to a point of success that alright. Like, now the people can come to me to get their their happiness hearkens back to, like, what we're try what I'm trying to get away from with, like, what what the boomers have done to us. Mhmm. What is your goal here? It's like, is your goal to just have a good life, or are we actively trying to make the world a better place? Feels an awful lot, like I mean, myself to to some extent, like, I mean, we're just trying to entertain myself to death. Real things are happening. Like, it's getting really difficult to live inside of, like, a little mental brain of, like, your mental world and, like, not have the actual world banging up against it. Mhmm. And it's, like, something like this of, like, you're not gonna get to my level of belief in it overnight, but just, like, one step at a time. Don't sit still on this. Why is Bitcoin an advantage? Bitcoin is advantage because once you figure it out, you have an asymmetric advantage over people who haven't figured it out yet. This is the same thing with pull shift. It's like this is a real thing. My belief is that this is a real thing, and the sooner that people add it to their processing stack, the sooner they can start making better decisions that will pay off better in the future. It's just the same kind of thing. Like, you don't have to sell all your stats by, like, a a citadel on top of mountain and, like, just, like, hunkering down and going, like, full tinfoil hat. But, like, one step in that direction is, like, when you're going through hell, keep walking. Don't stop here. Like, you're what are you working towards? Yeah. No. That's good advice. Well, I I will be looking more into this. None of it sounds crazy or unrealistic
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or any of that kind of stuff. So I am on board with the fact that something is coming at some point. I'm on board with the fact that there seems to be something around this 2030 date, which keeps coming up no matter what cataclysm, no matter what government PSIOP bullshit or, like, plan to have things done. 2030 seems to be a important date or year for some reason. They wanna have their system in place before the event. Yeah. That's my read of it. The the agenda 2030, like Exactly that. Whatever this new system is, it's gotta be in place before they do that. Yeah. Yeah. And so all of that does line up to something, and I do take it seriously to some degree. And we'll start thinking about I think, like, a boat is a pretty good shout. Like, if you can get boats are fucking expensive. Like, if if you can get to that in the right spot, it's not a bad shout. A little Noah's Ark. Yeah. There seems to be an awful lot of ancient stories about floods, global catastrophic floods, and somebody who was faithful surviving it. Yeah. Okay, mate. Well, it's actually been really good fun. I've really enjoyed going through it, and I'm definitely gonna look into some more stuff. Fun. That's very that's very kind of you to say it's fun. It has been fun. You know, like, it's quite technical and scary stuff.
Like, it could easily be quite, like, down topic to talk about. Like, hey. There's gonna be thousand mile an hour winds and floods and stuff, but it's been fun. Like, it's an interesting topic, and we've not gone about it in, like, a doomerish way. Like, I think, hopefully, we've talked about it in, like, a hopeful way and, like, some planning. So I think people are gonna enjoy it. I am a glass half full kind of person, and I fully intend to survive this. If I can survive it, other people can survive it. You've gotta develop your own map. Like, if you're not operating off your own map, you're operate. It's like you have to have your own Bitcoin node. If you're not operating on your own node, your own map, you're operating off somebody else's. So it's like this is an area of sovereignty. Yeah. Well, business cat, thank you so much for joining me, mate. It's good to finally have a conversation with you. I'd urge anyone who wants more information on this to reach out to business cat. We'll put the information in the show notes. Also, make sure to check out rock paper Bitcoin with business cat and fundamentals. Get yourself down to the, Central PA Bitcoin and meetups if you haven't already and if you're in the area.
And it's been fun, mate. I've enjoyed it. Thank you so much for having me, man. Alright. We'll speak soon. Thanks for listening. I hope you enjoyed that. I loved speaking to business cat. One interesting character. Definitely some food for thought. I don't know. I'm not smart enough to know if this, pole shift has happened, will happen. Don't know, but certainly some compelling arguments in there. If you haven't already checked out his podcast, go and have a listen. And I think we're probably gonna do another episode maybe with him and me and Karen. We might throw John in there as well just for some grumpy old man stuff.
Thanks again to everyone who's been supporting us. Questions, boosts, SATs, XMR chats, just sharing it with friends and family, it all helps and it is appreciated. Thanks also to the incredible Ungovernable team, and we'll catch you on the next one.
Bitcoin is close to becoming worthless. Bitcoin.
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Now what's the Bitcoin? Bitcoin's like rat poison.
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Yeah.
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Oh. The greatest scam in history. Let's get it.
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Bitcoin will go to fucking zero. Welcome back to another Confab episode. Today is a bit of a rush, so I'm gonna do this intro as quick as I can and in one take. Today's episode is with Business Cat. Business Cat is the cohost of Rock Paper Bitcoin with our good friend, Fundamentals. He's the founder of the Central PA Bitcoin Meetup, and he's the world leading pole shift influencer. It was the first time we've had a proper conversation. He had some really interesting points. We talked about all things, but the main topic was pole shift, what could be coming, what has previously happened, and how you can prepare. Before we start, I wanna say a big thank you to everyone who's been sending in boosts, XMR chats, questions, and generally getting involved with the Ungovernable Misfits crew. I have some boosts to read from the last episode with random Nim from my Nimbox.
If you haven't already listened to that episode, definitely go back and have a listen. It's made me rethink my setup, and there's some really good advice, not just around hosting, but on business, flag theory, and a lot of other things that people might wanna start considering. First up is late stage HODL with 5,000 sats. Great conversation. I appreciate listening to Yarl's perspective. But, Max, I think you are actually speaking to John McAfee. I hate to dox him, but it appears he needs to use something to disguise his voice or people are going to figure it out.
Maybe. Maybe. Chad Farrow streamed seventeen thirty sats. A I B L E sent a 100 and a prayer emoji. Riven Stokes. Interesting. Always wondered if these companies are using Insta background swapping services when accepting cryptos. Turkey sent 500 sats. Pie said, I used to like using Cake Wallet until they added Dogecoin. That was crossing the line with me. Can you guys please explain why your sponsor added Doge and still wants people to take them seriously? Yeah. Fair enough. I mean, if it's not for you, it's not for you. It doesn't bother me personally. There are much worse options out there than Doge. It's not something I have any interest in at all, but you don't have to use it.
Pies again with a salute. Henry said, great interview, but I don't understand why you all insist on using Monero when there is lightning. For example, I boosted the last episode 5,678 sat and only I seem to know about it. It really is hard to beat that for privacy, so I do have some more information for Kerim. I hope he might find interesting. However, I will email you about it as I bet this boost doesn't bloody well work either. Hello, Henry. Tam tam bam with 210 sats. Boss show, Max, my nim box is right in line with my thinking at the moment, and the finer details of your discussion, very revealing.
Put a donk on it. Big love. I don't know what that means. Put a donk on it. But thanks to the big love and the sats. Business cat also streamed 280 sats. There we go. Full circle. Right. Before we start, I also just wanna say thank you to our amazing sponsors. As they were just mentioned, MyNimBox. They've been sponsoring the show for coming up to three months now. It's been really good getting to know random Nim a little bit more and having conversations behind the scenes as well. I get a very, very clear picture that he is aligned and doing things properly.
If you haven't already reached out to them, if you're considering using their services, or if you have any questions, you can reach out to me, and we can go through them. But I very strongly suggest at least reaching out and speaking, seeing if there's something they can do for you. So it's my NIM box dot where's the dot? Let me just check. I was gonna do this in one take as well. My Nimbox my nimbox.net, apparently. Okay. So, yeah, check out my nimbox.net. Thank you also to Foundation. Foundation have been our longest sponsor. It's something that I use every single day. My passport, I absolutely love it. It's so simple to use.
It is beautifully designed. Obviously, an incredible team. You know the score, Zach, Q, and many others in the ungovernable sphere work in and around it. It's just nice to have something that works with a team that cares, that's fully open source. And if you haven't already used one, go to foundation.xyz, and you can use the code Ungovernable for, I think, dollars 10 off. It also lets them know that I'm shilling. So many times people reach out to me and they're like, oh, yeah. I just bought a passport or I just suggested to a friend to buy a passport. And do they use the code? No. You're leaving sets on the table here, guys. Foundation.xyz.
Finally, a big thank you to Cake Wallet. Even if Pai's doesn't like it because of Doge, it is still my preferred wallet, certainly for anything to do with Monero. I love that they have swaps, cake pay, features like connecting to your own node and fallback nodes. Things are very granular with them. The design is nice. They're constantly iterating. They're constantly supporting other projects in the space. They're supporting us. If you haven't already checked them out, go to cakewallet. I've gotta check this one as well. Tell them rusty. Cake wallet.
Cakewallet.com. A classic. I likea.com. Simple classic. Beautiful. Cakewallet.com. Check them out and enjoy the show. Business cat. The man, the myth, the legend. We finally get to speak. How are you, man? I'm very excited. Everything is good about today. The sun is shining.
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I'm speaking to you. The only thing I can complain about is the coffee order was fucked up, and I've got milk in my coffee, but we'll survive. Other than that, everything else is golden. How about you? I can't complain. It's it's kinda cloudy here. It's raining, but it's, you know, my, mother-in-law is watching my son right now too. I've got two kids, and, yes, they're being watched. And I'm here on a podcast. Everything's great.
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It's the dream.
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It is. It really is. Like, podcasters are important now. Like, we're we're helping presidents get elected.
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Yeah. We need more podcasters.
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Agreed.
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Well, I had your cohost fundamentals on few months ago. We were chatting about what you guys do and your interests and stuff, and he brought up, obviously, poll shift and all that kind of stuff. And I've I've been saying ever since that, I was like, I really need to speak to business cat, and I don't think we've ever spoken. You're in loads of the same groups as me and all that kind of stuff, but I don't think we've ever had a conversation, have we? No. I don't think we have. Our Venn diagrams cross in a lot of places, but, no, we've never connected. It's lovely to be here. Lovely to connect. Yeah. So I really wanna know about this pole shift stuff. And I said to Karim yesterday, because he's, like, our chief editor, our master editor now. I was chatting to him about a few things yesterday, and I said that I was gonna have you on. And he was like, oh, fucking can't wait for this one. I'm actually looking forward to edit it. We've got so many things in common that we think about, and his pole shift stuff's really interesting.
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Blah blah blah blah. Yeah. He and I connected offline. I mean, we we just called each other and had a chat, and, yeah, he and I agree like, so I listened to your episode with him, Ragnarok, and he is down a very similar rabbit hole to the one that I started going down in late November. But, yeah, we'll we'll get into all that. We will. We will. Karim, seems like he I think he and I should probably record something together at some point. Do it. Do it. Feel like we would be well suited to do that. Definitely. He's such a fucking weird guy, but I love him to bits. He's the perfect mix of very capable and smart,
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but fucking weird. So he comes out with, like, outrageous stuff, but it's still grounded in fact. So he's he's always interesting to speak to. Yeah. A lot of love for him, and he's been doing all our editing and stuff for the last, maybe, like, four months or something like that. So, a, taking off loads of pressure, and, b, like, the quality of what he's putting out is so much better than any professional editor that I've tried hiring previously. Like, honestly, me and John had given up. We tried and paid for, I don't know, at least four or five different people who are like, that's their job. And they were so bad,
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horribly bad. And then I was, like, at my wit's end, and I was like, who do I know who's just capable and can just do shit? I was like, right. Kareem. Yeah. It took, like, two or three times, then he just fucking nailed it. So shout out to you, Kerim. He's a man of many hats. He is. Yeah. He is. It's never occurred to me to look at hiring somebody to edit our show. So I'm dear listeners, one of the many hats I wear is I'm one of the cohosts of the Rock Paper Bitcoin podcast. I'm the producer of it. I do all the editing myself. I'm sure we could get to a point where I could outsource that to a third party, but I just I can't imagine leaving that, like, get letting that outside my vest at this point.
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Yeah. It's tough because you want the control, and you know how you want things to be. And, also, it took, like, seven years before I could get to a stage where we could just about manage to pay an editor and still sort of ish break even. Like, I did, like, seven years of normal seven till seven work and then driving home and then putting kids to bed and then fucking editing all the way through the night and then getting up just feeling like death until we could get to this point. So it is nice, but it was hard to let go of. And the same with, like I don't think you guys do live stuff yet, do you? You just do the recorded stuff. We do not. Yeah. That's another one that took a lot of convincing. Jordan was in my ear about it. Q and a was in my ear about it. And, like, after about a year of them in my ear, I finally was like, okay. Let's give it a go. And then weirdly, I'm quite happy with it being live. Like, I thought, oh, I'm not gonna have the control over things, not be able to edit things. What if the sound quality is not right? What if there are problems?
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Actually, it's quite fun. So I don't know. Sometimes these things that you think you could never let go of control of is actually quite nice. Yeah. I agree. This is getting pretty meta. We could definitely get into a whole conversation just about podcasts and, production of that. But all that's to say, yeah, podcasters are saving the world. We are shining the light on the important topics We are. That other places are not shining the light on. And, yeah, do your forty hours, folks.
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You have to. And, obviously, rock paper Bitcoin is part of that kind of is it intellectual silk road it's being called? I've heard us put in that group. I'm not going to claim participation in that group. I have heard that we are part of that. Yes. Yes. There's very few of these incredibly high signal
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zero noise, like, world saving podcasts, and rock paper Bitcoin is one of them. So if anyone's listening and hasn't yet checked it out, you and fundamentals are on. Is it every week or, like, how often are you doing these things? We record every other week. Every other week? That may change at some point. I'm starting to have a little bit more time. That was my constraint because time is I don't have enough of it. And but I think a little bit is starting to free up my four year old daughter. She just started a homeschool co op that she's going a couple times a week now. So Oh, nice. My schedule
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might be allowing me to get some more content production out there. We'll see. Homeschooling, that's, I wanna say, quite brave, although I know a few people who do it. Me and John have talked about this a lot. I liked the idea of it, and then I had kids, and then my idea changed very quickly. It sounds like it's quite full on even if it is great. Is it hard work? Yes. I mean, we're Bitcoiners. Hard work is par for the course for us. Yeah. Where do you wanna spend your CPU cycles? I know what state education did to me. Oh, yeah. I don't want that to happen to my children. Yeah. It's very true. And, like, a lot of the kids that I've met who are homeschooled
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are crazy smart, like, so much more. I was a state education kid, and I used to remember, like, every time I would interact with a homeschooled kid, I mean, boy, they're weird. Because, like, if they could talk and have conversations and ask follow-up questions and it's like they weren't like kids. They were like adults. And, like, now as as a parent, it's like, oh, okay. So in the world of automation and AI we're moving into, like, what areas are safe? What areas can I, like, push my children at Mhmm? With any sort of certainty that, okay, there's a future here, and it's content production. I like to say, what the matrix got wrong is that humans are not batteries. We're the seeds for your random number generator. AI can never be as perfectly random as humans because they're digital. And, like, as Bitcoiners know how difficult Mhmm. True entropy is in a digital system. And so that's a massive hobbling point for artificial intelligence. So what's a simple solution to that? Let's keep some humans as pets and let them be our seeds. And so okay. So podcasts seem to me to be very safe place for, like, direction of a child. Like, okay. You need to be an interesting enough person that people would wanna listen to you. This kind of goes separate from the rest of the conversation where we're going because kind of my viewpoint of where the world is going does not necessarily include podcast. Podcasts are going to exist for a bit longer, but I think they may be going away as a lot of other things that we think of are maybe going away as well. So there's a lot of considerations in raising children with what we're aware of now. Yeah. But that being said, like, this is why we're here. We have been put in this dimension to be fruitful and multiply. And if you're not having children, you're spinning your wheels. Like, what are you even doing here? Yeah. I agree with all of that. Like, especially as a lot of these kids who are going into state schools and the kids that I've interacted with, especially in, like, the British state schools and a lot of those types.
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I think, like, a massive part that is missing is the conversational skills. Yes. Like, conversational skills and what would you call it, like, critical thinking, almost like confidence with a lot of stuff as well. Like, I'm not that old. I'm not like John Old, but I'm old enough that if I wanted to go and put a shelf up or do something that's like, do a bit of plumbing or something and I couldn't do it, my mates would be like, oh, fucking hell. Come on, woman. Like, what are you doing? Why can't you get why can't you do that? Whereas now, like, a lot of the kids, if you said, like, oh, I've got a leak. We need to fix it. They'd be like, well, I need to call the man. Like, I need to call the man because the man knows, and I don't know how to do this. And there's a real, like, disconnection from the ability to, a, do things that are practical and physical and actually useful, and, b, conversational skills are not great. Like, storytelling is not great. And I put myself in that group as well. Like, if I look back at, like, say, my dad and his group of friends who were, like, very good conversationally, but their skills at storytelling are tenfold better than my skills at storytelling.
And the kids that I see coming up now compared to what I might be capable of doing are way worse again. So those are skills that are or seem to be, like, dying out, basically.
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Soft skills. You can't teach soft skills, really. You just have to throw kids out in the world and let them develop them.
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Yeah. You're right. You can't, like, go to a class and be like, make me interesting. Make me practically capable. My my missus laughs at me all the time because whatever it is, I'm like, yeah. I can probably work that out. You know, like, oh, the floor's fucked or there's a leak or the roof needs fixing or there's whatever the issue is. I'm like, yeah. I'll probably work that out. And she's like, fucking hell. Yeah. You can work everything out, can you? And I'm like, kind of, because I've just tried and failed so many times, billions of times at everything that all of those failures mean that I know kind of what not to do, and I have a very, very long list of what not to do and then a shorter list of what to do. And when I combine the two of them, I can kind of tick through
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and work things out. Yeah. I think Bitcoin is the ultimate tool for this because it really encourages people to just go do things. Mhmm. That's what it was for me. Let me start by, giving the audience my background. So if you're not familiar with who I am, let me let me walk you through my quick synopsis of my life to where I am now, and then we can get into where I'm going and where I think we're going from there. Do you know what? That's my poor podcasting skills. When I do these, I just jump on with a coffee and just as if I'm sat chatting to someone, and I haven't done an intro properly. So I apologize, audience, and I I apologize, business cat. Let's have a little bit of a backstory about who you are. No. I'm I'm the same way. I like to have conversations, and I'm realizing that we've been chatting for a while now. And I have a couple people who've called and find a follow me around and listen to everything I do, kind of like a small dedicated audience. And I've gotten that feedback from them before that I wanna hear you talk about x, but you're just having a conversation. Mhmm. So let's about me. So I was born in Central Pennsylvania up in the Appalachian Mountains of Central Pennsylvania. I went to the air force. I was in the US Air Force signals intelligence from 02/2006, 02/2012. While I was there, that was the first time when I heard about Bitcoin. Although, like, that was the Chuck Schumer speech in 02/2011. He's like, there's people buying drugs on the Internet with magic Internet money, and it's like, I can remember that was the first time I ever heard the term Bitcoin.
I got out in 02/2012, went to college, met my wife, and while I was in college, I had the time to learn about Bitcoin. I went to Penn State Penn State Harrisburg. Interesting. Like, it feels like a lot of the things about a lot of things about my path made me well positioned to see Bitcoin earlier than other people, and I feel the same way about Pullshaft. Just a lot of the things about the path that I've walked just have put me in a position to see this earlier than other people have seen it. This is the same thing as Bitcoin in my opinion now that, like, Bitcoin is obvious. Once you see it as obvious, oh, okay. And then everybody's gonna get this eventually, but, like, no government will ever hand a tool that conquers them down to their citizens. So, like, this is gonna be a bottom up solution. It's like we're all gonna figure it out for ourselves. And the same thing, like, I'm really, really feeling is pull shift. Pull shift answers too many questions for it to be ignored for me personally. And so back to Bitcoin. So I I got out of the air force. I was in college. I wanted to buy weed. So I'm a vet, you know, like, ten years older than everybody else at college, and I had to go to college kids at a dorm room to buy weed from them. Oh. And And it was not a fun experience for me as, like, an adult veteran being like, hey, fellow kids. Do you want you wanna sell me some marijuana? That's fine. It's like, here's here's me trying to deal with, like, the I don't wanna call it PTSD. Everybody has PTSD, but deal with my issues from my service time. And put in this situation or like, alright. Chuck Schumer has told me that if I have the technical know how, I can have weed delivered to my room, to my to my mailbox. Yes. So I was like, alright, mister Schumer. Let's look into this. The government trusted me with signals intelligence. I'm probably smart to figure this out. And it was just encryption. There were resources online to figure it out and it was just asymmetric encryption learning how to send a encrypted message to protect yourself from third party actors.
Mhmm. And and to do that, like, okay. So I wanna buy what? Okay. I'm gonna need some Bitcoin. I had to go get some Bitcoin. And then at some point, I'm in college. I have all the time in the world, and I had the moment of realization like, oh, this Bitcoin is significant. There's a reason that this marketplace is using this technology. This is world conquering technology. Mhmm. And so this would have been this was 2014 when I started buying my first Bitcoin, but I didn't get serious about it until 2018. I got out of college, went and worked for Deloitte. Deloitte and Touche is, like, one of the big professional services companies around the planet. I don't know if people have heard of them, but, you know, they they are one of the big four. Oh, yeah. I've got a few mates working there. Yeah. So I love that Pierre Ochart used to work for Deloitte, and that was one of my big badges of honors. Like, oh, yeah. I worked at I I started my career and really ended my career at the same place that Pierre Richard ended his career. I went to Deloitte. I was doing cybersecurity work for Deloitte for one of their contracts. They would have these giant contracts, government level contracts where, like, we would get all just a list of IP addresses. And it's like, okay. Break into these, write a report on how you did it, and then they can harden it so that the bad guys can't do it. So, like, essentially, I was a white hat hacker with a salary, which is not very common in that world. Most people do that freelance No. Or contractually.
I was doing it for a salary and for dental insurance, which was nice for a while, but at the same point, like, I I had already had my bell rung about Bitcoin technology. I wasn't a Bitcoin maximalist at that point. I was still loading up on everything and thinking I was intelligent about it. Mhmm. And at some point, I I realized, okay. What am I doing? That would have been the 2038 to, like, push to 20 k around then is when I kind of had my eyes opened about what I was doing and went full in on Bitcoin. And several years later, our first daughter was born, and my wife and I had a conversation about we're not gonna put our kids in daycare and have mom and dad working all the time. Like, who wants to stay home?
And my wife was much further along in her career, and she had much more desire to stay with her career. My wife is a CPA, very intelligent lady. Mhmm. She outclasses me in in a lot of areas. But so she she very grace leads. So I I'll say you you can be a stay at home. You got your Bitcoin stuff going. You be a stay at home dad. You can spin up all of the stuff you're doing with Bitcoin. And yeah. So I got started a podcast, all these different things. And, yeah, that's where I'm now. But in 2023, late twenty twenty three is when I encountered this concept known as pole shift, a geomagnetic excursions. Mhmm. And it similarly to Bitcoin, I dismissed it at first. I kept not being able to dismiss it. Like, the the claims being made were not dismissible based on my personal history, like, being an air force intelligence person, my history with Bitcoin. Everything lined up, and I couldn't disprove it. So I kept having to go further into it to try to find, like, where is this wrong? Very Bitcoin either.
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Where is this wrong? Yeah. Where's the floor? Mhmm.
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So March '24 last year was when I was like, alright. This is now to the point I have to talk about it publicly. And so I put out an episode of a rock paper Bitcoin. We did what was it was episode 34, I think. 34, 35. Apocalyptic equine. And that is when I presented it's not it's in hindsight, it's not really that great of an intro to the topic because I sound kind of crazy in my own ears even then because I was I was terrified. It's a terrifying topic, but there is hope. Once you get over the terror, it's like this is a new focusing point for humanity. Like, it's worth being scared to get to that point. But yeah. And then earlier this year, I heard Ragnarok and Ocarim is going down a one of the avenues of this from as I understand it. And so that that was I saw people were commenting on on that episode. Like, you gotta have business cat on to talk about this. And, yeah, so that's that brings us to this conversation we're having right now. Yeah. Yeah. Well, even before the Ragnarok
[00:24:02] Unknown:
episode, when I've spoken to fundamentals, he was mentioning that you were really interested in pole shift. And I'd listened to a couple of pods. I think Elon was talking about it and someone else was talking. This is maybe, like, a year ago or a year and a half ago or something like that. I was like, oh, who is the other one? What's the guy twelve thousand eight hundred years ago, blah blah blah blah, has his own series coming Graham Hancock? Graham Hancock. That's it. He was talking about it as well. And Randy Carlson. And I was like, you know, these guys are all pretty on the money with a lot of stuff. There's obviously gonna be something to this, but I didn't really give it any more thought. And then, obviously, fundamentals brought it up. Then I was speaking to Karim, and then he brought it up. And I was like, okay. Yeah. I really, really need to have this conversation. So before we do that, I just wanna also mention you founded the Central PA Bitcoin and Meetup. Is that right? That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. Because I I really like to try and promote as much as I can these meetups, and I really, really wanna start doing some not promotional material, but, like, educational material from ungovernable misfits and, like, the surrounding pods and people to try and get out to these meetups. Because I find a lot of these meetups, the ones that I've gone to previously, were either, like, a bit shit coiny or they were kind of just about number go up or they just weren't for me. And then there's other ones that have been really stand out and, like, they're doing the Ashigaru, walk throughs or they're working on helping people set up nodes or there there's just, like, stuff where I'm like, that's really fucking cool. What made you decide to make your own? Was there nothing around, or was there something around, but it wasn't your scene? Or, like, how did that go? Because it's quite a big step to actually set up a meetup.
[00:25:43] Unknown:
I believe it was 2021. There was nothing around. I came back from the, Bitcoin Miami where they had had announced the El Salvador Bitcoin thing Yeah. And was just amped up on Bitcoin. And I was like, alright. You know what? I'm starting a meetup. Yeah. So I started and had a couple, like, virtual screen share lessons, and then, yeah, we'd run from there. We have events, like, about once a month. Okay. A small amount of pretty dedicated people that come out, but, yeah, we're still getting new people at almost every event, and it's still growing. That's for sure. Nice. And do you have, like, a specific focus there, or is it more, like, just so that people can catch up and have a beer and, like, chat one on one? We do both. At some point, I realized there was another group of people in my area that they didn't have a meetup, but they were starting a meetup esque group of Bitcoiners trying to get together and have conversations.
So I just I reached out to their leader and was like, hey. Do you wanna be the admin be my co admin of the meetup? He was very excited about that. We just kind of merged groups together. Okay. And so I've been really stepping back and kind of dragging my feet on Bitcoin meetups to be quite frank about it. Okay. But I'm very thankful that Lonely Pumpkins has stepped up, and he's been doing a lot of things. So we have, like, a monthly, coffee. We get together and just chat, like, a coffee meetup on Sundays. And then he also has been doing get together, and he puts on a, like, a PowerPoint presentation on various topics. We had buying shares versus buying stats was the last one that we did. Okay. Really, the conversations that we have a lot, though, is, like, new people coming in asking, like, what is this thing? Like, they've had their bell rung, and they're like, where does the path start? Like and so, like, we're setting them up with, okay. Well, you need to install a self custodial wallet and get on River and buy some stats and then self custody them. That whole thing is mainly where we're focusing on lately. Once you're in the weeds enough and you've been around enough, it's sort of difficult to remember what your thoughts were right at the beginning.
[00:27:24] Unknown:
But if you're all honest with ourselves, it's like, okay. This is a valuable thing. It has value. I wanna accumulate it. How do I store it? That's kind of, like, the start of it. And then everything past that, like, you have to go through that first tip of, like, why does this have that? Does it actually have value, and why does it have value? And then it's more like, how can I start using it? But if you guys want, like, we've got expatriotic helped make an Ashigaru presentation, like, setting up and using that. We're gonna be working on a k quality one for people to be able to work out how to use that. I plan to do more and more of this sort of stuff. So maybe we should talk, like, more offline and, like, see if there's something that Ungovernable can help with because we wanna kind of make these ready to go. My plan was make a ready to go walk through on something, like, relatively technical that's gonna help people with their privacy and how to use Bitcoin that someone can stand up, do the presentation.
Whoever does the presentation at that meetup gets a free T shirt and hoodie from us. And then we have, like, a little quiz or, like, questions at the end for people, and whoever wins that gets gets a T shirt or a hoodie or a hat or something like that. That's a great little idea. I love that. Yeah. I just thought it'd be, like, a cool way to have some influence in what people are learning about because not all meetups are focusing on the Bitcoin that we might care about. You know, it can be quite different. So I wanna try and have some influence there and have, like, ready to go stuff. And once we have one ready for one meetup, it can go out to as many as people are interested in taking it. So, anyway, we'll we'll talk about that offer. I think standardized content would be very useful, but, yeah, to your point of I've been in this so long that people seem to enjoy listening to me talk, but I really don't feel like I'm the best person to be presenting this to the newbies at this point. I sound like a crazy person to some people.
[00:29:14] Unknown:
It's like it's like I just don't care anymore. Like, yeah, I work for myself. I've been in Bitcoin for, like, ten years at this point. I'm more interested on focusing on truth and freedom Mhmm. Than having a polite conversation. Yes. Our most recent meetup, I feel like I was kind of mean to one of the boomers that was there just because he was a boomer. I kinda regret that. It's fine. Like, you know, when you first start, it's like, certainly for me,
[00:29:34] Unknown:
my main focus in a conversation was to convince the other person, a, that I'm right about Bitcoin, b, that they should probably buy it. And then I would have, like, a defensiveness where, like, if they're questioning things or being like, oh, that's dumb. I'd get, like, a little bit upset and, like, oh, you're questioning my thoughts. And at this stage, like, I just don't even fucking talk about it to people, normal people. And and if they have anything, like, oh, yeah. Well, I think that's dumb because the whatever. I'm like, good. Just don't buy it. I don't care. What you're describing is largely to the point I'm getting to with Polls Chef now. Right. Like, I don't care. Like, pretty much everybody
[00:30:11] Unknown:
I talk to, Bitcoiners included, don't take this seriously. I can count on one hand the number of people that I know personally or not not even personally, the number of people in the world that I know are really taking this seriously. Mhmm. Ben Davidson is, like, he is the tip of the spear of this on weatherman on x. Okay. He is, like if you're interested in getting into like, he is the person to follow. Right. Agrarian Contrarian, he's a local Bitcoiner here in my area. He's taking this very, very seriously, and, like, I am taking this very seriously. And that's about like, I've heard other people will pay at lip service, but I find myself very frequently in conversations just having the comment, oh, that's gonna be underwater. And, like, it's rough to to to get anyway.
[00:30:52] Unknown:
You can count on on your fingers how many people take it seriously in the world. Can you make me take it seriously? Give me a a rundown of because I honestly like, you know this probably from listening to, like, me talk to Karen. I'm not very good with science. I'm not particularly knowledgeable about any of this kind of stuff at all, but I I like to think that I am somewhat open minded and think that there are things that maybe are not talked about enough and maybe could be actually a major problem. And I've also seen that things that do matter and are very important can be ignored like Bitcoin by the majority of the world. So I'm I'm at least open minded enough to say, like, convince me. Tell me about it. And, like, if it is a problem, I wanna be prepared because, you know, I've got kids to look after and a missus to look after and yeah. Like, it matters. The safety matters.
[00:31:47] Unknown:
Bitcoiners are well placed for this. Like, don't take anything I say on faith. Like, go look into this yourself. Like, I didn't take any like, I I looked into like, there is a massive amount of physical evidence for this on our planet, all over our solar system. This is the thing that like, it answers too many questions. Like, why does the world look the way it does? Why do we have ancient sites that appear the way they do? Why do our elites seem to be, like, why are they tunneling underground and trying to get off the planet at a desperate rate? Like, there's just this answers so many questions. And then the circumstantial evidence is not evidence, but, like, just look at the direct physical evidence. To start there, like, my journey started with the book World in Peril.
Mhmm. This is a book that was published in 1994 by the author Ken White. Ken White is a guy that, as far as I can tell, is still alive. I can't find much information about him. He attended the Air Force Academy. He was born in the late forties on Ladd Air Force Base. The Air Force Base that this project Nanook was taking place from, like, he was born in that Air Force Base. And his father was major Maynard White, the commander of the forty sixth reconnaissance squadron who was tasked. At the end of World War two, the allied powers realized that, okay. Well, our next enemy is going to be the Soviet Union or our next I I I got something that enemy it's always been enemy. Like, this is not just competitor. Our next enemy is gonna be the Soviet Union. Okay. If they're gonna attack us, it's gonna be over the poles. At the this point, like, we were still operating and, like, doing navigation with magnetic compasses. Mhmm. We need to learn how to do war in a polar region. Project Nanook in 1946 retasked a bunch of these b 20 nines. Like I said, the b 29 was the Super Fortress. It was the airplane platform that dropped the atomic bombs on Japan.
And not a lot of people know this, but, like, people realize that, oh, yeah. The atomic program. Why is the name of the atomic program? The Manhattan Project. Mhmm. It was massively expensive, but it was only the second most expensive line item of World War two. The most expensive project in World War two was the b 29 Super Fortress. The b 29 Super Fortress is a marvel of engineering. It's it's I could do a whole podcast just about the b 29 Super Fortress. It's such a cool piece of technology. But end of World War two. Alright. We now we now have new enemies. Like, the old enemies that we needed these b 20 nines for are gone. What are we gonna do with them? Alright. Well, they tasked a bunch of them to go up to Alaska. They renamed them b 20 nines to f thirteens because they were no longer combat aircraft. They were now, like, reconnaissance aircraft. Mhmm. Although they still did have guns on them occasionally. They sent a bunch of these f thirteens up to Ladd Air Force Base in Alaska for project Nanook with their mission being go learn how to operate closer to the magnetic poles where the compasses don't work. Mhmm. So they were using grid positioning to learn how like, let's figure out where the pole is because the last time the magnetic pole had been surveyed was, like, the late eighteen hundreds. It was at one point up in Northern Canada. So they flew their b 20 nines out and mapped it out. Like, alright. Where is it now? It's not in the same place as it was where forty years ago when we mapped it last. Mhmm. And it's not just one. There's actually three magnetic north poles. Like, as we're flying around, like, this like, as you get closer to one, the other one, your your compass flips one eighty because there's not just one pole that it's always pointing to. No. There's three up there. Yeah. And we just down here at the lower latitudes, it's generally pointing to the same direction. We use the weighted average of these three as what we call the magnetic north. Mhmm. There's not just one magnetic north. There's three up there. They were discovering things like this. They mapped out, like, okay. Here's where we're gonna put our forward reconnaissance bases so that if they launch ICBMs, this is where we will, like, have sensors, all that kind of stuff. This was like they had several mission objectives. This was us learning how to operate as a military organization up there.
And so somebody had the idea. So, okay. So this thing's moving. What happens whenever the magnetic pole hits the actual like, it's it's headed towards the access point of our planet. What happens when it gets there? That question was asked. I was like, I don't know. Where is it now? Alright. Let's let's go there and excavate. Let's go down. Let's excavate down below, like, where it is. This is like a project that only governments could do even, like, now. Like, thinking, like, how could a billionaire fund this? Like, yeah. Like, somebody like Elon Musk or, like, a Jeff Bezos or maybe even, like, a, a Rogan or somebody, a Joe Rogan. Somebody with enough probably a Bitcoiner. Mhmm. If we have enough time, we'll confirm this. Like, as Bitcoin sneaks in, like, the thief in the night and completely turns the, plans of these elites upside down. Somebody's gonna do this again. Project Unhook, they went up and took a bunch of excavation material, heavy machinery up into the wastelands of Alaska and started digging down under one of the magnetic poles was. And what did they find? They found smashed trees that were not petrified trees. There was a layer of sand. Under that, there was a layer of smashed and destroyed trees and vegetation and animal remains.
Below that was another layer of sand. It's like so basically it alternated from tropical to arctic to tropical to arctic to tropical. There were nine layers. The fuck? As far as they dug down, they like, they only dug down nine layers, but they discovered nine layers that alternated. And this is just the first discovery. They realized, like, they're what is this? Alright. Well, we need to this discovery changed how where like, looking at, like, what was our nation doing at this time? Okay. Okay. Well, we had expeditions down to the South Pole. We had project Nanook going at the North Pole. We had, there was Nanook ended in in the fifties, so it wasn't we had projects going on the North Pole. We had operation ice worm going up in, in in Greenland. We were learning how to dig under the ice to thick the we'll drop ICBM silos into ice and then power them with a nuclear reactor. It's like we're we're trying all these crazy projects. And then this event happened where we discover this alternating fossils of tropical and Arctic, and pretty much all of these other expeditions end, and all of the focus goes to the North Pole. So Admiral Byrd, who is a person that people will have heard of if they're into certain conspiracies, like, he was retasked, and he he had to come up to work on this project up in the North. And when he was up there, this is when he wrote his book. There's definitely evident like, psyops exist. We know this. Mhmm. Then, like, how far back do psyops go? It definitely seems that there are some ideas and theories that have more effort and power behind them than they should. I'm sure there are people out there that actually believe in flat earth and that the birds are drones. But, like, it seems like a lot of people that are into some of these conspiracy theories are doing it just to, like, rib and, like, just to be trolls. Mhmm. And so, like, the idea it has been floated that, oh, at at the, South Pole, there's a hole at the South Pole that goes into the Hollow Earth. And Admiral Byrd wrote there there's some interesting entries in Admiral Byrd's journals and diaries about about this stuff that he was discovering at South Pole. From my understanding, those journals and diaries were written while he was up working at Ladd Air Force Base being retasked. My read on a lot of these things is that they discovered this horrible secret that the planet turns over with some repeatable frequency, and this cannot get out. Like, this this is society ending information. We need to, like, salt the field essentially with that with other competing theories so that whenever this one inevitably gets out, even though it has way more physical evidence for it than any of the other ones, like, people will dismiss it. It. Had I not had my mind kind of altered from Bitcoin, I I would have dismissed it. Just so I follow, when you say the Earth flips,
[00:39:02] Unknown:
do you mean if you're looking at it like it's a football floating in the air and the north is the north and the south is the south, that it literally turns
[00:39:13] Unknown:
a 180 degrees, like, downwards. Is that what you're saying when you say flip? As if, like, one pole that it was north now becomes south and south becomes north kinda thing. It's not exactly as clean as that, but yes. So people have heard of the magnetic shift. The the magnetic flip of the poles were like, oh, well well, who really cares? The south magnetic pole come to the north? North magnetic pole go to the south? Mhmm. It's like, no. There's a physical component to that as well. The planet flips with it. It's not exactly one eighty. Karim was getting into the, mechanics of this electromagnetic how the electromagnetic solar system works. Universe.
Electric universe or something. Yeah. Yeah. The electromagnetic universe. And, like, that's a big part of it. Mhmm. We have an approaching wavefront of the galactic magnetic field. It is spiraling out from the center of our galaxy and, like, the next wave front is approaching our solar system. And it brings with it a lot of dust and debris and things. When it arrives, things are going to be bad. He has gone I I I don't wanna, like, dismiss his theory because, like, he he and I agree, like, with 97, 98 other than, like, he he's worried about October 31 Yeah. The Perseid meteors. He's worried about them acting as a bit of a, like, a circuit breaker or something. Mhmm. That is something to be worried about, but my understanding is that it's the next solar cycle when this stuff arrives, this, solar but, like, people can get it. Like, I don't want it. Like, I am not I have not drilled down into, like, the mechanics of this, specifically. Like, I have tried to stay, like, as high level and just focusing on the physical evidence that we have access to. Dear listeners, like, the big asterisk, like, I'm get like, as I'm going through all of this evidence, like, I will get that. Like, there's definitely things that I have misunderstood and have gotten wrong. But, like, that being said, like, I am giving you my best effort as I understand it currently. It's like, I've only been in this for, like, coming up on two years at this point. Mhmm.
[00:40:59] Unknown:
Can I just ask another question then? So if that happens, when they dug down and you're saying, like, there's, like, ice, then there's sand, like, tropical stuff, there's, like, a repeatable, there's this, and there's that, and there's this, and there's that. Two questions, really. How long are these timelines of these poll shifts where you go from tropical to ice? And two, how do we know that it's not just that we had a whole ice age across the entire planet, and then we had a warming up of the planet and everything was tropical.
[00:41:34] Unknown:
And so that it's not that it's actually to do with where that pole is is moving, but actually just the the entire surface of the Earth looked completely different at that point, and then it changes again? No. This is a great question. This is an absolutely valid question. I mean, like, the natural state of our planet is a glacial period. Like, we're we currently exist in an interglacial period. It's like we we think of, like, a we're we're worried about the planet getting warmer. It's like, no. The planet is natural state is way colder than this, and it's way worse if it gets colder. So the idea of, like, the entire planet could have been covered and then it just alternates like that and that would be there. Like, that's okay. Fair.
So Admiral Byrd, while he was in Antarctica, found fossilized leaf stem imprints and fossilized wood under the ice. Shackleton, the guy who got to the South Pole, he found coal beds within 200 miles of the South Pole. Coal beds come from ancient forests and forestation does not occur when there's darkness for six months. Also found near the South Pole were fossilized footprints of prehistoric reptiles, cold blooded creatures that do not exist, need an external source of energy needed to be somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's way more evidence than this. Like, there's Spitsbergen Island is an island in the Arctic Circle, and it shows ample evidence of tropical corals around it. Contains considerable amounts, coal deposits. It has, water lily fossils showing evidence of a warm, marshy environment.
And the real kicker here is that prehistoric frozen, not petrified trees on Spitsbergen Island have no rings. So, like, where do trees have no rings? Trees have no rings where there's no seasons at the Equator. Everywhere else, their only two answers there are either mass amount of trees with no rings were swept from the Equator all the way up to Spitsberg And Island where they were interned and not petrified, but frozen in in a mass, or the Equator once went through Spitsberg And Island. Those are the two options.
[00:43:17] Unknown:
All the whole Earth was tropical everywhere, meaning those water lilies and the trees and everything were tropical
[00:43:26] Unknown:
for a certain period of time and that you had these cold blooded creatures that could live because it was hot. You're not, yeah, you're not wrong. This is a a valid you still have, like, massive forestation does not occur in areas where there's darkness for six months. Why is there darkness for six months? At the pole so because of the tilt of the axial tilt of our planet. Oh, right. I get you. Yeah. So, like, it's like the vampires would love to live in in Alaska because they get a bunch of time to be outside hunting.
[00:43:52] Unknown:
You're right. Yeah. And in parts of Norway, up high north in Norway, it's like six months of no sunshine. It's just darkness all the time. So is that like, some of these questions are gonna be stupid just because I don't understand this kind of stuff very well. But, like, is there any way that that could have ever been different, or is it always the same because the sun's always in the same position and we're rotating around? There's no way that without a pole shift or a movement of the actual Earth
[00:44:22] Unknown:
that that could be different. Do you know what I'm sort of trying to get at? Like, that's always constant. Yeah. I'm definitely open to hearing another hypothesis for how these trees could have gotten there. Mhmm. But my understanding of orbital mechanics is, like, the sun is a is a flashlight. Our planet is, like, just a ball of dirt that goes around it. There's Yeah. Really not that much mechanics or things to play with other than kinda, like, moving the surface. And that ball
[00:44:45] Unknown:
of dirt goes around it, but flat. It's rotating it's not rotating north goes to south and south goes to north. It's rotating the other way and always has done and always will do, presume. When you're saying about, like, the mechanics of it, it's not that it's on a slight tilt, no, for a certain amount of time that happens.
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If you look at other masses in, like, rotating in microgravity, You may have heard of the the tennis racket theorem. It's also known as the Dzhanibikov effect. Right. And it's if you, like, spin a tennis racket in microgravity, it spins correctly for a bit and then it flips around the other way and spins that way Right. And it flips back. And it's just back and forth and back and forth. Like, it slowly gets sloppier and then it goes flips to its orientation. That's not the exact process or mechanic that is happening on our planet, but it's close enough that it's a useful metaphor to use. Okay. Back to World Imperils. Like World World Imperil was written by Ken who was the son of the commander of the squadron who did all of this research. And all of it for whatever reason, all of this information was classified top secret. All of the math was processed by the human computers at the Rand Corporation back in the day as they were trying to figure out, okay, when is this next shift going to happen. But the reason this book seems to have slipped between the sensors cracks is that Major White kept all of the scientific results, kept a copy of them, and gave them to his son. Right. So his son went up to the attic and then used this to write this book all about, like, the entire history of the squadron. And it's like, this is I feel like my experience with the air force. Like, I read through this looking for like, okay. Where is he full of crap? It's like, okay. None of this part's full of crap. Like, there's lies in this. It's just lies in the scientific results, and I don't have any reason
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to see that. An interesting thing to see because, obviously, if you were trying to debunk it to some degree, you could say, okay. Well, the son could say that the father has passed him down this stuff, and it could be full of shit and so that he could release a book and blah blah blah. But a good way to know whether it's bullshit or not would be, okay. Can we see or can we dig in that site to see if there is tropical then nontropical then tropical then nontropical? Because if the mechanics of the way that the earth turns are confirmed as in that's how it turns and always has done and that there's the six months without the light and all of that, then you're right. I can't see a way that you would have forests like that or you would have tropical climates like that. It's I can't see how that could possibly be. And then it's like, well, then we have to think of another way that they could be there. And then like you said, it could be the it's been swept up there maybe from floods or some other issue, or it could be a pole shift like you're talking about. So but it's something. You can't just look at that after digging and go, oh, yeah. That's fine.
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There's something weird there. There's definitely something weird. Have you followed the Alaskan boneyard?
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No. I haven't. You're aware of him and, like, his he he goes on Rogan and stuff? No. I've heard Rogan talk about going to someone who's very wealthy's property and that they had a load of mammoth bones and stuff like maybe going through, like, a river or something like that or, like, that might be the same guy? Yeah. It might be the same thing. So the the boneyard in Alaska is a it's a gold mining operation in Alaska,
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and they're just using high pressurized streams of hot water jets to cut through all of the the muck to get down to the bedrock. Right. And because, like, that's where the gold's heavy. It ends up down the bedrock. Yeah. So, like, as they're cutting through this muck, this company has existed for over a hundred years. This company was where a lot of the, bones and that ended up in the Smithsonian were from this company. Because as they're cutting through all of this muck and stuff, they're they're finding prehistoric mammoth, saber tooth, cats, all kinds of, like, giant beavers Nice. Everything. It's just a essentially, all of the topsoil, everything above the ground rock in Alaska is just a massive viscera of shattered trees, destroyed animals. This is not the only this is just like, we know of this because it's, like, happening in Alaska, and it's in popular culture because the owner the new owner is now going on Rogan talking about, like, he's got a beef with the Smithsonian because he says, like, the Smithsonian is covering up a lot of the stuff they've sent to them, and, like, he wants it back. Anyway, there that's a whole other story. But, like, this is just one aspect of popular culture that kind of dips into this. But, like, the idea that the ground is just made of smashed bones. Like, that's all of Alaska, essentially. Right. You get up near Fairbanks, it's just like during the winter, the ground is super usable because it's frozen. But then during the summer months, it's just everything is a swamp. Right. And that is elsewhere too. Like, in, the archipelago of the New Siberian Islands. If this is real, this has been covered up. And it's not just been covered up by our government, but it's also like, our government isn't the only source of information in the world. So, like, other governments like Moscow, like the Soviet Union, why weren't they more vocal about this? I mean, like, why hasn't Russia now been more vocal about this? They also have their own evidence. Like, the Siberian Islands are almost literally composed of the bones remains of millions of animals. Flash frozen, mammoths, saber tooth giant cats, rhinoceros, buffalo deer. And they were flash frozen so quickly that in 1930, the Moscow Academy of Sciences served mammoth steaks at their banquet.
What? Yeah. Like, you you've heard that mammoths were, like, frozen so quickly that, like, it's like, there's the day after tomorrow. So I get the idea that air from the upper atmosphere is, like, sucked down and it freezes things and, like, so quickly that, like because there's a famous case of we found ancient, mammoths that were frozen so quickly they have undigested food in their stomachs. Woah. So it's like, okay. How does that happen? Okay. Well, a pole shift will will explain it. Like, mammoths like, we always we always think of mammoths existing. Like, if you picture one in your brain, you're probably picture it in, like, an Arctic tundra, but that's not where mammoths live. Mammoths lived in, like, the the tundra, the like, where there was things for them to eat. Mhmm. Mammoths, you're not gonna support a mammoth frame in in the, in the Arctic. Yeah. But that's where we found them. So that's where we just assumed that that's where they were. But, like, now they they were frozen so quickly that 6,000 oh, I I that was a question you had, the frequency of this. It seems to be a six thousand year cycle with inflection on the twelve thousand year events. So every other one is a really bad one. It's like a clock, six and twelve, and there's these changes and rotations and stuff. It's weird. I'm looking through a list of my evidence here. It's like the the only other earth earth based evidence I have on my list here is that, yeah, mountains of Italy have beaches of sand formed by wave action that are at 1,500 feet. It's like, okay. There's many you you could maybe those maybe those mountains were formed elsewhere and then they pushed up to 1,500 feet.
Okay. Maybe. But they also, meanwhile, have beaches of sand formed by wave action. The Pyramids At Giza look an awful lot like they have wave erosion, karst erosion on them. Mhmm. Indicating were the Pyramids, like, partially underwater at some point for a period of time, like, long enough to erode them? Maybe. Like, there's they're definitely covered in salt. Why was Gobekli Tepe intentionally buried? It's like they buried it to protect it. Like, what were they gonna protect it from? I don't know. Something you'd protect from Derinkuyu. Derinkuyu in in Turkey is a massive underground city that could hold, like, up to 20,000 humans and animals. Mhmm. What what were they hiding from? Like, why go underground? Everything seems to lead back to the it's like there's a micronova event that puffs out a lot of plasma that really messes up our solar system about every six thousand years. Yeah. There's definitely, like,
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something, like you're saying, with these underground cities and and the amount of attention that was paid to the sky's timing of everything. It definitely seems like humans were monitoring things, and they were preparing for something, whether that's massive floods, whether it's meteors, or whether it's pole shift or what whatever it is. I don't fucking know. I have no idea. But there was definitely something that they were watching for. And the amount of effort like, I saw clips of that city, the underground city. It's fucking amazing. It's not like someone's gone, just dig a hole just in case, like, something happens. It's like, that is unimaginable
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how much work has gone into that. Like, it's not for nothing. Right? Imagine, like, the kind of and so a society that saw this issue coming is going to be a society that is looking up. Graham Hancock's series ancient apocalypse is incredible. It goes through all of this evidence for this ancient civilization that was wiped out by some kind of catastrophe. He puts it at the the feet of the Perseids. There's zero chance that he hasn't heard of the pole shift hypothesis, and yet he keeps coming back to to the Perseid meteor shower, the same with Randall Carlson. Mhmm. I don't know how to read that on them other than it's I can understand why pole shift is a spicy topic to get into. And once you wrap your mind around it, it's like, okay. Well, what would happen if the planet physically turned? It's like, well Massive flooding. All of the water would slosh around. Yeah. The atmosphere is not tied down. So, like, okay. Our this planet's spinning at roughly a thousand miles an hour. It's like if it changed okay. So you're you're telling me that we're gonna have thousand mile per hour winds at certain point points on the planet as it shifts in about a day. Like, it it takes like a day or two to shift. This is a rapid thing. This is not like a slow event. Mhmm. This this happens rapidly. The sun puffs out of micronova which potentially ignited because of the approaching magnetic wave front of our galactic center. Like, all that dust arrives, all that dust is deposited onto our sun. This episode of our, rocket bit Bitcoin I labeled apocalyptic equine because it this disaster theory kind of maps pretty good onto the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Right. First one is the white horse.
Our sun is white right now if you look at it. Mhmm. But, like, I remember when our sun was yellow. Like, our sun was yellow in my childhood and it's now white. That's an interesting thing. So I read that as the first horseman. The second horseman is red, the red horseman. That is okay. A bunch of dust is gonna get deposited over a period of years onto our sun. Our planet depends a lot on solar output so things are gonna get really difficult whenever the solar output decreases to the point that food gets scarce. Mhmm. The next one is the black horse. The black horse is alright. The full dust is blacking out our sun. The questionable how long this lasts potentially up to eight months to a year before all of that is puffed off. There's only certain ways we know how to create a stellar nova dumping a bunch of dust onto it, an accretion disk. That's one way. Another way is a magnetic kick. And we have both of those things approaching our local sun. And so, like, the, black horse okay. So the sun goes black for a period of time. Things get really dark. And then the last one, the the pale horse and death comes with him. That's the micronova. All of that dust is dumped into our sun. Our sun puffs it out and messes up everything in our solar system. Like, we see evidence all across our solar system of some kind of massive violent thing occurring could be a micronova. That micronova event will cause so much magnetic action.
Dear listeners, I I encourage you to look into this. I'm speaking as I understand it, but, like, the this, will allow the crust of our planet to unlock from the mantle. And this is the real kicker of, like, where the shift happens. Basically, like, under our crust between our crust and mantle is kind of a, like, plasticky, mushy, lava y mixture. It's sticky. It holds us there. But whenever we have this amount of magnetic energy dumped into our planet, what is normally a sticky mass gets much more viscous, and that allows our planet, the crust, to turn to where it wants to be. Where does anything want to be if it rotating in a microgravity? It wants to have its heaviest points at its at the end of its orbits. So, like, our planet is desperately trying to right now get Greenland and Antarctica to the Equator because that's where they want to orbit naturally. Those are the two heaviest points on our planet. So they naturally they want to get to the Equator. And whenever this micronova puffs out enough energy to detach our crust from the mantle, in rapid short order, they will reposition themselves. And that's, like, that's like the the and then it came a pale horse and death came with them. So, yeah, like, we're going to live through ten years of, call it, difficulty from our local star. And then on top of that, it's gonna end with worldwide tsunamis and worldwide,
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like, thousand mile per hour winds. So you're saying that if you think of, like, the Earth as a ping pong ball, the crust is like the outside of the ping pong ball. You're saying that that the crust would rotate, but everything underneath it kind of stays as is, and it moves the heaviest point of the crust is what's moving downwards. It's not the the entire
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if you think of it like a a solid ball, it's not that the entire ball is flipping a 180 degrees or or whatever amount it would flip. It was actually that the outside layer would be moving. That is as I understand it. And so it's like our local magnetic field is is driven by our nickel iron core that is rotating inside of, another metal. And, like, you rotate metals magnetic fields opposite each other. That's how an electric current and electric field is generated. Mhmm. So, like, if you could view our planet's electric field as the planet's surface was slipping like, the the magnetic field will stay stay just where it is. Mhmm. Our crust will slip over it. The magnetic field is moving in and of itself, but, like, just in that moment is one way you could visualize it. And so if that happened,
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I sort of, like, went through this with Karen with with his you're both talking about an event that would wipe out presumably most of, if not, a lot of the planet. Is there anything in your scenario if we have a pole shift and if this happens, thousand mile an hour winds, massive tsunamis? Like, I can only try and roughly visualize what that might look like, but it's fucking mental. Is there anything that you can do on the planet to survive, or must you leave and go to Mars or whatever some of the elites are like? I don't like calling them elites, actually. You're right. Elite's not the correct term for them, but it's it's fine to call them Fucking parasites.
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Like, they just were aware of this problem earlier. So, like, they spent all of our tax money digging a massive deep underground base network all across the country. They're still dependent on our money. All of this is, like, like, the craziest, most perverse, like, the Bible predicted Bitcoin kind of thing of, like, the meek shall inherit the earth. These elites have put all of their cards on them being able to pay their bills with dollars, with whatever their national currency is. Bitcoin comes in and takes that away. Like, okay. Sure. I imagine that deep underground, they have their own energy sources, but right now they're not. They're pulling energy from the surface. A known tunnel that is publicly known is from DC to the Harrisburg area where like, I I live outside the Harrisburg area. And I went to Penn State Harrisburg on what used to be Olmsted Air Force Base. Why was Olmsted Air Force Base built in Harrisburg?
If DC is nuked, we need a place that is far enough outside the nuke zone to base our fast reaction squadron. Olmsted Air Force Base in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, the whole reason for existence was to house the fast reaction fighters that would be punching back after we were attacked. And so, like, we know that there is a high speed electric tram that goes from DC up closer to to to Philly, and then it goes right right through York and right up to Harrisburg. And, like, it it's known there. If you drive along the, the turnpike that that bisects Pennsylvania, like, left to right, east to west, regularly, you will see high voltage three phase power just going into the ground Mhmm. Near the highway in the middle of nowhere. It's like, okay. That's Mhmm. That's being used for something. It's Like, I like, I don't have evidence for this. There's loads of evidence for the deep underground military base network that, like, nuclear threat is a threat, but, like, you don't need the level of base probably been built just for nuclear. There's there's more to it than that. Elon and Bezos are trying to get off the planet. Like, Bezos is in the Sierra Madres. He has he has he's digging into the mountain right across the road from his spaceport.
So he has this century clock that that he's building into this underground Mhmm. Fortress that he's building. This happens with regularity. And, like, humans have survived this a thousand times before. Like, our our we will survive at this time. How can you protect yourself from this? High ground for one is obviously imagine a globe in your head or, like, I bought a globe just so I could kind of look at it physically. Put your finger on Greenland and put your finger in Antarctica and then rotate those to the Equator and then just picture how the water will slosh in your brain. Not not everybody has a has like the visual brain but like I can picture it in my brain. So without doing a computer model, I can it's like so last time it happened, we went the other way. So it just goes back and forth and back and forth. And so last time, we rotated the other way to the current to our current orientation. And if you look around the planet, there seems to be loads of evidence that the ocean washed over something. The Rishot structure was all washed out to sea. That was, like, potentially the where Atlantis was, the last the peak civilization that came before, like, they were wiped out by the pole ship. And that's Africa, isn't it? That's, like, West Africa? It's Mauritania in West Africa. Yeah. So high ground is Anybody can build a boat. There's a reason that Noah built an arc.
You can build a floatable platform. Depending on where you are will be the prescription for the preparations that you should take. When the tilt starts happening, when the shift starts happening, I mean, we we already will have had to have survived years of famine level conditions worldwide at this point. So, like, that's the first thing to get ready for. But after that, okay, after you survive that, okay, now, like, where are you in the world? Like, if if you're in an area where the water is gonna come inland, what you're gonna face is essentially the tide is gonna start coming in rapidly and it's not gonna stop. The tide's just gonna keep coming in until it's a thousand feet high. If you have a boat, a platform that you can hop on, there's gonna be a lot of debris in the water, but you could you could potentially float inland until it starts receding out and then you dear God, you don't wanna get sucked back out in the middle in the middle of the Atlantic. But I mean, like, that is an option. If you're high enough in the mountains, Ben Davidson is the I I mentioned Ben Ben at the beginning of this. He is basing his his citadel. I mean, he doesn't call it a citadel, but, like, this is essentially the concept of Bitcoin citadel. Like, Bitcoiners were already kind of thinking along these lines, like, oh, I I need to build a citadel. It's like, oh, well, it's just you're gonna be protecting from the planet physical effects, not from the world's economic effects.
And so, like, Ben Davidson, he's based in Colorado. He's based in the he calls it the Valley Of The Sun. You can look it up on Google Maps. It's he he has a a campground now that he that he just opened. Okay. Observer Ranch is the name of it. That's his play. He has planted his flag, and it's like this is where I am he thinks that this is high enough. The Rockies are going to absorb a lot of the the ocean from The United States if you look at the way it's gonna rotate. So, like, the tide is gonna go out here on the East Coast, and then it's gonna come in with it's once once it comes in, it's gonna come in with a massive amount of energy and go much further inland than it ever hasn't before. And so, like, I am in Pennsylvania, Central Pennsylvania at one of I'm I'm I'm fortunate that cosmically, like, my family has property at one of the highest points in the Appalachian Mountains in the state of Pennsylvania.
Like, that being said, like, I'm not super confident that the Appalachian Mountains are high enough to deal with this. I have to trust God with some amount of this. Like, God put me on this path for a reason. Please, God, protect my family. Like, like, you put me here. Like, this is where we're gonna make our stand. Even our property, like so a grand contrarian is he's also going to be and has been contributing to to our plan, our Citadel plans. We're gonna be underground, but we're also considering building some kind of floating platform. Just because we're near the top of a mountain doesn't like, it probably could be insurance to have that. There's just so many layers to like, it's like protection, like, first level. Like, hey. Well, you're gonna need guns to protect yourself from the other people as the society falls apart. There's just yeah. There's so many layers to this. And eventually, like, you get to the point where bit Bitcoin really becomes irrelevant. Yeah. Like, if there was any technology that could survive this, Bitcoin is the most anti fragile technology that humans have ever encountered, have ever messed with, ever created.
But you wipe out 99% of the species. The the satellites won't fall out of the sky immediately, but a lot of them are gonna get fried from the micronova. The the big question is how much industry survives on this planet. It's like the the Carrington event was I mean, you talked about the Carrington event with with Caram. It's like, if this is like a Carrington event and then multiply it by an order of magnitude up,
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it's like we've all we have a lot of electronic stuff on this planet, and it's, like, potentially all gonna go away. Yeah. Also, it's like in that disaster scenario, you're talking about, like, even before there is a pole shift, you're gonna go through famine. You're gonna go through those four horsemen, the stages. And so there's gonna be darkness. There's not gonna be food. You know, all this stuff. In those situations, it is just gonna be who has food, who has weapons, who has water. And outside of that, a lot of the other stuff that we worry about as Bitcoiners is kind of irrelevant and probably would be for a very long time. I think if anything, there's gonna be violence or barter or collaboration. Like, it's gonna be like either, look, you help me, I'll help you. I have eggs, you have this, or it's gonna be give me your shit. Otherwise, I'm gonna blow your head off. It's gonna be those because at the end of the day, like, we're all nice and peaceful and, collaborative until my kids can't eat, and then there's a problem. And I don't care who it is because they need to eat. And that's with everyone.
So I guess, you know, the same as the conclusion that we came to with with Karen, with with the exception of have high ground and have a floating platform is still try and be friendly with your neighbors. Try and have weapons. Try and have some self sufficiency where you can and be prepared, which is I guess it's kind of, like, just a generally a good thing anyway because even if nothing happens in our lifetime, whether it's a flood or it's well, whatever it is, like, even if nothing happens, it's not a bad thing to be self sufficient, and it's not a bad thing to have a few weapons, and it's not a bad thing to be friendly with neighbors and people.
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So it's not like the type of insurance you need to take out that's gonna cost you an arm and a leg. Like, this is actually useful stuff most the time. It really yeah. And it's we we do have a bit of time. The best evidence for when our local magnetic field is gonna be so weak that really just like a sneeze from the sun would be catastrophic. It is gonna be then in the next solar cycle. Which is what? Like? Late twenty thirties, early twenty forties is really when the target for this is gonna be really if this is accurate, we should start to see luminosity decreases in the sun by the mid twenty thirties, I would estimate. Like, the luminosity is this is interesting. There's there's a movie coming out. What's it called? The the new Andy Weir film. He's he's the guy who did the Martian Right. Project hail Mary. K. It's coming out next year. And the the whole like, I don't know if you've read it or anything like that. The entire premise of that movie is that the sun is decreasing in its luminosity, and all of the suns are decreasing in luminosity except for this one. So we're gonna send a mission there to this sun to figure out why it's not decreasing in luminosity. Okay. So it's not the pole shift. It's not it's not a magnetic field front approaching, but to to slightly spoil the the book, they have their own they have their own reason. It's interesting that this kind of idea is kind of getting out there now in the public eye, the public mind, that the scary thing is not a warmer planet. The really scary thing is a colder planet. And there's a lot of evidence that the planet's gonna get colder. Yeah. So
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and you said earlier about you remember the sun being yellow, and now it's white, and that that it would go orange and then dark. Is that something that is measurable or recorded in some way? And is there an explanation for why that's happening if it is measurable and recorded?
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I have not seen scientific results based on it. I've heard other people make the claim. Hearing other people make the claim that they remember the yellow sun reminds me that I remember the yellow sun too. I remember lying I I can picture it now because I thought about it so much. I remember lying on my back in our on our driveway and just, like, playing the game when you're located, like, seeing how long can I stare at the sun? And, like, it's a different I mean, who knows? Human human brain memory is what it is, fallible as it is. I remember it being yellower than it is now.
That alone in of itself proves nothing. It could entirely it it actually might be nothing, but it's just one of those things. Like, all of these things together is just like, this is an awful lot of circumstantial evidence. Yeah. And then it would presumably if if we have that problem, then all of this solar and stuff that that's being put everywhere is gonna be fucking useless.
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I was thinking when you were saying about the tunnels and, like, that there are more tunnels than we know about and all this kind of stuff. Is there not something that we can do with, like, lidar or some type of technology like that where people could fly drones and just map out actually where tunnels are, or or is there not technology that is readily available that can go that deep or or through maybe lead or whatever they've lined it with? Generally speaking, ground penetrating radar does not go that deep, and, yeah, lidar is laser based. So let's say you're you're mapping the surface of things, so, yeah, definitely lidar. Basically, there are technologies out there that you can map the interior of of the planet,
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but most of those things require, like, government level access. Mhmm. It's like you you need to put a sensor in a polar orbit so that you will map the entire surface of a planet and then put a magnetometer on there or something. Some some kind of magnetic map. Okay. Like, there there are definitely ways we could do it. There there's also, like, you you may have seen recent semi recently, there was a claim that some Italian company could see inside and under the Great Pyramid. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They were they were on a parallax. So, like, using publicly based low Earth orbit data available from, like, Planet Labs or somebody, they were measuring parallax. This is a real thing, but what they're claiming to do with it makes no sense to me with my understanding of physics. There's definitely something under the Great Pyramid, but, like, the what they're claiming is just ludicrous to me. Right. You could also like, if you had enough sensors, you could use the cosmic background radiation to map the interior. You could map the entire thing if you just had sensors in the right place because we're constantly being bombarded by electrons and neutrinos and, like, everything, like, radiation from extra solar places. Like, you could use those as an X-ray machine if you could just line up your film at the right point.
These are level at kind of, like, things like only a hyper Bitcoinized society where you had people that were so uber wealthy that they could move those kind of, like, nation level projects.
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Do you think when you were talking about a lot of the poll stuff and the expeditions and all that kind of stuff, it was making me think, like, another conspiracy theory that's out there and you hear a lot is Antarctica conspiracy theories and people thinking that all sorts of things are going on up there or had gone up there and that there's a reason people can't visit and blah blah blah. Do you think there could be any link between
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those two, or do you think that's something used to throw off the scent? I can't dismiss it. I'll say that. If this idea of full shift is true okay. Antarctica at one point was at the Equator, that it was not covered in ice. And one of the ways I've heard Atlantis described was it was an island at the end of all the oceans, which is a way that you can describe Antarctica. It's it's an island at the end of all the oceans. And so, like, it's it's possible that Antarctica was the center of this ancient civilization that was wiped out. And, like, the reason why nobody we don't incredibly difficult to go down there. So, like, I could finance my own expedition down there. No. But, like, somebody could. Like, I definitely question why we haven't been able to do more down there. And, like, there was recently a pilot that flew down there and went and landed on it because he wanted to get the checkbox of I've landed on on every continent, and they immediately arrested him. But, like, that was just the government of Peru because he didn't file a flight plan. So it's like like, there wasn't some, like, secret or, like, black van that drove up and, like, nabbed this guy. So Antarctica is a really, really inhospitable place. Mars is like Antarctica, and just Mars doesn't have oxygen. So it's like, think how hard it is to live in Antarctica and then remove the oxygen. That's how hard it's gonna be live on Mars. Mhmm. I think there's, like, a level of that. Okay. It's inhospitable.
There's no reason to go there. But then there's also, like it looks an awful lot like there's pyramids down there buried under snow and ice. Yeah. I've seen some of those pictures, and they do look
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interesting. And there's also some stuff on the moon on and on Mars that looks interesting. Yeah. Boy, the moon is an interesting topic too. Yeah. Like, as I say, like, I'm quite open minded on stuff, but I also know my limitations. Like, where you or Karen might say, oh, my understanding of physics says this isn't likely or this isn't I'm like, my understanding of physics is I wasn't allowed in the classroom because I was a fucking annoying little cunt that had to stand outside. I'll go a certain depth with conspiracy stuff, and then I'll just go, maybe. I don't know. Like, I'm not smart enough to know, so I don't know. But some of those pictures, if they haven't been edited, my brain can go, that's peculiar
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to say the least. There's something weird there. There's a lot of weird things all across our solar system too that to date, I don't see anybody really questioning. Yeah. It's so fascinating because it's like
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a lot of the stuff where it's like, oh, yeah. Well, that's being buried for a reason or the the information is being hidden because it would cause uproar between the people and all the kind of reasons that you can come up with of why something would be hidden. And at the same time, there's all these secret societies where secret information is passed down and all these kind of things. And it does make you question like, well, if there are secret societies with secret information that's held very, very close to their chest and protected by military and special organizations, and they can use as much money as they want because they can control the money and take it from us to fund these projects. It does make you question just how, like, crazy and weird the stuff gets, and my gut feeling is a lot of this stuff is right. There are serious dangers and threats to the planet. There are some really fucking weird things that have been hidden. There are lots of things that have been faked, and I don't know. I guess it's kind of, like, partly once you understand how fake the money is and fake a lot of the systems are and how, like, stupid some of the things that we chase. Like, if I look at people being like, oh, I wanna buy this $40,000 handbag and, like, that that's, like, what they're obsessing over. You're like, oh my god. You're so lost. You've been pushed in a certain thought pattern or you think that things are important that are so far from important while other things that actually are being covered up. Like, it definitely feels like there's a control of, like, keep the people busy, keep them thinking about things that don't matter so we can just carry on with what we're doing. You can't put your finger on it or I can't put my finger on it completely, but I'm open to what you're saying. I'm not listening to what you're saying and going like, oh, yeah. This guy's a fucking lunatic. I'm like, that could be totally reasonable.
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The question of, like, who the elites are is also, like, very valid. And they They? The elites. Like, they started getting ready for this seventy years ago. The people that are maintaining it now are not the same people that started it. Are they building a breakaway civilization? What happens, like, on the weekend? Like, the guards. Do the guards know, like, what they go down and they're like, do they have families? They go home to their families? Mhmm. Are they living down under these bunkers? Like, or or do they get to the see the sky as they're waiting for this apocalypse to happen? It's like there's real valid questions. Like, it doesn't really make sense unless there's some kind of other larger intelligence at play. Like, if this is just humans, I can't imagine just looking at the elites now, like, where are they building their bug out shelters? It's like they're not all the same. Look at Zuckerberg and, Oprah Winfrey, and, like, they're on the side of a volcano. They're digging into Hawaii, which is, like, one of the worst places I could think of being for this. Like, okay. When this happens, every volcano on the planet is going to erupt simultaneously. Yeah. I was just about to say, like, volcano sounds like an extremely
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retarded place to other than it's cool, like, you know, like Austin Powers Bad guy Larry. Kind of style thing. But outside of that, it's
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really fucking stupid. Yeah. That leads me to believe that there is some level of tears in the elite. Like, the Zuckerbergs, the the Oprahs, like, they were useful enough to get their foot in the door far enough that they knew that, okay. Well, there there's something that but they're obviously not being told the whole story, or else why would they have chosen that location? You guys are like the foot soldier peon levels of the of the elite. You're the fingernails they're willing to sacrifice whenever, like, the actual event happens. Like, they're not gonna let Zuckerberg into their real deep underground base. I wouldn't let Zuckerberg into my base. He's not someone I'd like to be stuck underground with. He's a bit creepy and weird and
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fake and just awkward. I could spend some time with Elon even though, like, maybe people don't agree with some of the stuff he does or says or whatever. Like, I think he'd at least be quite fun, whereas Zuckerberg, I feel like he's maybe a bit rapey. Like, I'd I'd maybe have my back to the wall.
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I feel like Elon is aware at least that they, the elites, aren't gonna let Elon into their bunkers either, which is why he's focusing so hard on the Starship program and the boring company. What's he trying to do? He's trying to get out of our gravity well, and he's trying to dig underground. Like, okay. Well, yeah, they're not gonna let me in there, so I need to save myself. I'll do my own. Which is, like, the the ultimate Bitcoin or thing. Like, nobody's coming to save us. We have to save ourselves.
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Would you not in an underground bunker be fucked anyway? Because, like, would water not find a way in? Would there not be cracks as the earth shifts and you're talking about the crust? Your entrance gets buried by mud? Yeah. Yeah. No. I've being underground, like It's not for me, the underground thing. A part of this apocalypse is gonna require being underground. Like, there's a reason that Darren Coulee was built.
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This micronova. If you're on the side of the planet facing the sun when it puffs off this, you're gonna have a really bad time. But it that's a very short amount of time. You're we're talking, like, under ten minutes of 700 to a thousand degree temperatures on one side of the planet. And, like so you need to be underground. You don't wanna be on the surface when that happens. Oh, it's the heat. But it's not like you need to live there. You just you need to be, like, just for, like, a very short amount of time. Like, you like, whenever it's coming, get in the shelter. And then, like, after that, you can get back out and get on with what you're doing. I didn't know it was heat. I thought it was for meteors, like, things dropping out the sky that you'd wanna be underground.
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I'll tell you what, though. A thousand degree heat, you're fucked.
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Sheet lightning, like the Thor's hammer of, like, sheet lightning. There's a reason that Valles Marineris on Mars looks the way it does. It looks like it was hit by an electrical discharge. Mhmm. That's another thing. Like, everybody on the planet is gonna get hit by whenever this discharge happens, like, yeah, there's going to be continent size lightning sheet lightning discharging into the planet. If you're under that, you're screwed. You're just fucked. Doesn't matter if you're underground or you had just screwed. There's no surviving that. There is some level of prayer that's required here. Like, dear god, put me in the right place place at the right time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You'd also like a thousand degree heat, one thing you could really sear an incredible steak. You know, like, you have these like, you don't wanna be anywhere near because you are dead. You now have these special cookers where you can do a steak in, like, thirty seconds or, like, fifty seconds. It's, like, fucking hot, like, a thousand degrees or whatever, and it, like, perfectly says it's done. That's the only upside of this. The same kind of thing. Like, there is a point up there in the upper atmosphere somewhere, like, out in space, there if you dropped a steak right there, it would fall through the atmosphere, cook itself perfectly, and land right here on my plate ready to eat. But I just I can't get the steak up there.
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It's a shame.
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That would be nice. I guess the takeaway is it's very easy to get really nihilistic really quickly with this topic. I think I'm just barely out of it. I've been nihilistic and just it's been this is a difficult thing for me to wrap my mind around, but I I'm in the camp of, like, I actively must prepare for this and teach my children to prepare for this. Going all the way back to, like, the homeschooling thing of, like, okay. Well, like, I've got young kids that are gonna be probably around, like, 18 when this happens. Like, they're gonna be young teenagers when the game starts. And, like, what level of preparation am I going to teach them? If I'm wrong, that that's that's cool. I'm I'm quite ready to be, like, the crazy old man. If I'm wrong, I think I'm wrong about the timing. I hope I'm wrong. Yeah. I'd love to be wrong. I'd love to find the the the smoking gun here where it's like, oh, actually, this whole time, I'm just crazy. You'd love to be wrong directionally as in it's probably gonna happen, but it's not to you or your kids or your grandkids or your great grandkids or their great because there's a level of, like, eventually, you're like, oh, fuck. If it's gonna happen, I want it to happen to me. Like, I don't like let's not wait. Like, let's pull this band aid off and get this train on the road. Like Fair enough. Not for me. Looking at the example that has been given to us by the boomers of, like Yeah. It's okay. Just kick the can down the road. Your descendant can deal with this. You don't have to worry about it. You just live your life, have some booskies, and you're just gonna have a good time. Don't worry about it. It's like, no. It's like we're done with that era of humanity. You're like, bring it on. Can you just if you are praying for it, like, if you're like, just bring it on now, can you just sort of give me
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five years or something just so I can just see my kids grow up a little bit, just have, like, that magical time, and then I can go and fight this and at least they've lived some sort of life. Because the idea of thousand foot waves coming famine and all that, I'm just it's been a hard couple of years. I could do with just, like, five nice years. So if you are praying for it like Karam is, like, bring it on kind of stuff, just give it a little break. You're gonna have five good years, Elite. You're a Bitcoiner. Like, Bitcoiners are the most well placed people to be prepared for this as anybody else on the planet. Because, like, what's gonna happen in the time between now and this d day? It's like, oh, Bitcoin's going to eat their money. That's not gonna change just because the planet's ending. Bitcoin's going to win because it's the best technology available. These people who have depended like Zuckerberg, like, Zuckerberg has to pay his electricity bill. What happens when he can't?
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Like, he's he's like, oh, well, I have somebody else is gonna get to use his awesome bunker. That feels like this was indicated in many religious texts of, like, at the last minute, the game board's gonna get turned over. Slipped. Yeah. Yeah. If you're stacking stats, if you're a person who is forward looking enough to realize that you need Bitcoin to protect yourself and your family, you have everything going for you that you could have going for you. You have the best starting point of anybody in the world right now other than the demon lizards who are hidden this from us. Yeah. The demon lizards. The Satan pedophiles. Mhmm. It's like, yeah. They're they're out there. Don't be them. We're better than that. Yeah. Definitely. God will protect us. Yeah. And if you are a Bitcoiner and you are well positioned and the value of your currency does go up, also, like, don't be afraid to spend it on the shit that you're gonna need. Like, don't be the huddler
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who's worrying about hitting a certain number, and you've got a certain number in your head, and I'm gonna be worth this if it hits that. Have some preparation, have some tools, have a home, have some skills, be physically fit, teach your children what they need to do. When we talk about Bitcoin as being well positioned, I see that in areas of the mesh to Dell. I see that in certain groups. But as a general term, in terms of Bitcoin, used to be, like, people who hold Bitcoin. That now is a lot more broad, and I do see a lot of Bitcoiners wouldn't survive a fucking cold. Like, genuinely. Like, I look at around at some of the people these days, like, compared to 2017, 1819, those sort of periods.
And they are soft as shit, couldn't build something if they need to and couldn't survive something if any. So so so if you are one of those people and you listen to the pod, I would just say, like, invest some of your
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sats in yourself and your family and tools and knowledge and everything else because the actual Bitcoin itself isn't gonna save you. It's what you can do with the Bitcoin. And so just just bear that in mind a little bit. Like, the worst thing that you can do is sit still. Yes. Like, the the ossification is death. Yes. It's like that's what the Fiat world wants of us. Get to the point when you're comfortable enough. You've got the house. You've got the car, and you can just sit back. You're right. You know, you were right. You've invested correctly. Just sit back. Just just relax, entertain yourself to death. That's a very real danger for Bitcoiners. Like, as all of us get exponentially wealthier, it's like, don't get comfortable.
Stop. Yeah. Don't stop.
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Yeah. I think so. I think, you know, you do see it. You get the the Bitcoin derangement syndrome, you know, with the people who are early early, and they've done really well. And then there's, like, other groups of us who are like, life's got a bit easier and, like, we have some hope. It's kind of more what it is and, like, not getting lost in that and not getting and thinking I'm never selling these precious hats and all that kind of stuff. Like, starting businesses, starting projects, and learning skills, and bettering yourself is really important. And I was guilty of the, like, oh, I just wanna stack as much as I can and not live life. And I do look at back at, like, parts of my life and being like, fuck. You missed out there, mate. Like, you should've yeah. Okay. You you stack some more sounds, but you missed out. You should've gone on that trip or, like, gone and seen your friends at this point, or you should've gone and done this or that. Or, like, there are things where, like, you can't buy back memories.
[01:25:03] Unknown:
You can't buy back time, and, like, that's something to be cognizant of. Yeah. If your goal is just stacking as much Bitcoin as possible, that sounds an awful lot to me. Like, why do you want that much Bitcoin? Oh, you want it so you can just you wanna get to a point where you can relax. Like, you're stepping so hard because you wanna be done. You wanna be just, alright. I'm done working. I'm I can just sit back. Yeah. I'm retired. Yeah. No. Do you wanna sit still and think that you've gotten to a point of success that alright. Like, now the people can come to me to get their their happiness hearkens back to, like, what we're try what I'm trying to get away from with, like, what what the boomers have done to us. Mhmm. What is your goal here? It's like, is your goal to just have a good life, or are we actively trying to make the world a better place? Feels an awful lot, like I mean, myself to to some extent, like, I mean, we're just trying to entertain myself to death. Real things are happening. Like, it's getting really difficult to live inside of, like, a little mental brain of, like, your mental world and, like, not have the actual world banging up against it. Mhmm. And it's, like, something like this of, like, you're not gonna get to my level of belief in it overnight, but just, like, one step at a time. Don't sit still on this. Why is Bitcoin an advantage? Bitcoin is advantage because once you figure it out, you have an asymmetric advantage over people who haven't figured it out yet. This is the same thing with pull shift. It's like this is a real thing. My belief is that this is a real thing, and the sooner that people add it to their processing stack, the sooner they can start making better decisions that will pay off better in the future. It's just the same kind of thing. Like, you don't have to sell all your stats by, like, a a citadel on top of mountain and, like, just, like, hunkering down and going, like, full tinfoil hat. But, like, one step in that direction is, like, when you're going through hell, keep walking. Don't stop here. Like, you're what are you working towards? Yeah. No. That's good advice. Well, I I will be looking more into this. None of it sounds crazy or unrealistic
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or any of that kind of stuff. So I am on board with the fact that something is coming at some point. I'm on board with the fact that there seems to be something around this 2030 date, which keeps coming up no matter what cataclysm, no matter what government PSIOP bullshit or, like, plan to have things done. 2030 seems to be a important date or year for some reason. They wanna have their system in place before the event. Yeah. That's my read of it. The the agenda 2030, like Exactly that. Whatever this new system is, it's gotta be in place before they do that. Yeah. Yeah. And so all of that does line up to something, and I do take it seriously to some degree. And we'll start thinking about I think, like, a boat is a pretty good shout. Like, if you can get boats are fucking expensive. Like, if if you can get to that in the right spot, it's not a bad shout. A little Noah's Ark. Yeah. There seems to be an awful lot of ancient stories about floods, global catastrophic floods, and somebody who was faithful surviving it. Yeah. Okay, mate. Well, it's actually been really good fun. I've really enjoyed going through it, and I'm definitely gonna look into some more stuff. Fun. That's very that's very kind of you to say it's fun. It has been fun. You know, like, it's quite technical and scary stuff.
Like, it could easily be quite, like, down topic to talk about. Like, hey. There's gonna be thousand mile an hour winds and floods and stuff, but it's been fun. Like, it's an interesting topic, and we've not gone about it in, like, a doomerish way. Like, I think, hopefully, we've talked about it in, like, a hopeful way and, like, some planning. So I think people are gonna enjoy it. I am a glass half full kind of person, and I fully intend to survive this. If I can survive it, other people can survive it. You've gotta develop your own map. Like, if you're not operating off your own map, you're operate. It's like you have to have your own Bitcoin node. If you're not operating on your own node, your own map, you're operating off somebody else's. So it's like this is an area of sovereignty. Yeah. Well, business cat, thank you so much for joining me, mate. It's good to finally have a conversation with you. I'd urge anyone who wants more information on this to reach out to business cat. We'll put the information in the show notes. Also, make sure to check out rock paper Bitcoin with business cat and fundamentals. Get yourself down to the, Central PA Bitcoin and meetups if you haven't already and if you're in the area.
And it's been fun, mate. I've enjoyed it. Thank you so much for having me, man. Alright. We'll speak soon. Thanks for listening. I hope you enjoyed that. I loved speaking to business cat. One interesting character. Definitely some food for thought. I don't know. I'm not smart enough to know if this, pole shift has happened, will happen. Don't know, but certainly some compelling arguments in there. If you haven't already checked out his podcast, go and have a listen. And I think we're probably gonna do another episode maybe with him and me and Karen. We might throw John in there as well just for some grumpy old man stuff.
Thanks again to everyone who's been supporting us. Questions, boosts, SATs, XMR chats, just sharing it with friends and family, it all helps and it is appreciated. Thanks also to the incredible Ungovernable team, and we'll catch you on the next one.
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