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What does this episode of P.M.M. stand for?
Parallel-Economies Meshtadels and Micro-Communities
Picturesque vs Modern architectural Monstrosities.
Psychological Warfare, Maintaining Morale, and Mental Resilience.


What’s been going on with the Meshtadel?
Karl from Karl’s Korner posed the question in the Meshtadel, "What do you say to someone who claims they're happy to pay their fair share of taxes?" Is participating in the fiat system moral, especially considering taxes fund wars and are used punitively by the forces of evil to control and regulate? Is gaming the system moral while dismantling it, or should one opt out entirely? These same little tyrants who use taxes as a system of control also use religion used as a system of control, such as "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's."


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How did you spend the HalFinning? For me (Jon), it was with the Noderunners, Meshtadel, and the Pleb Miner Mafia groups. We watched as the transactions rolled in


Parallel-Economies Meshtadels and Micro-Communities (Bert and Gurtis conversation)

Bert and Gurtis discuss building parallel economies on Bitcoin and trading within Meshtadels as crucial strategies for establishing resilient, independent networks or intentiaonal communities. fostering strong, small communities centered on family values and emphasizes sourcing healthy, sustainable food all while trading on a Bitcoin standard. While countries like the Netherlands produce large quantities of food, the intensive farming cycle dependent on petro-chemicals is depleting the soil, highlighting the need for more permaculture and regenerative agriculture-based practices. Gurtis makes the point that during societal collapse, it's impractical to attempt to save everyone; instead, it's important to prepare for people arriving at these parallel economies, whether they bring positive or negative intentions.


Picturesque vs Modern architectural Monstrosities.

Urban Hacker examines modern architecture from the lens that it is demoralizing, lacking the engagement that video games and movies create as movies and video games must please their audiences to make a profit. Art should reflect the people, and both art and architecture should align with the area, rather than erecting edifices to the state or the designer, without considering the local context. The Dune movie, for instance, offers architecture that thoughtfully integrates into its setting. In contrast, Le Corbusier's designs were criticized as large, unattractive structures that disregard local nuances.


Psychological Warfare, Maintaining Morale, and Mental Resilience.
The People Aren't As Retarded As They Seem by Charles-François-Bienvenu Myriel

Continuing in the spirit of his previous articles on demoralization - Ungovernable Misfits staff writer Charles Myriel presents a compelling argument that Misfits as well as normies are engaged in a battle between good and evil. We must be aware of narratives controlled by global elite and facilitated by their lap-dog media goonie, religious cults of personality, and pseudo-intellectuals. These forces attempt to shape, control, or ‘nudge’ society's thinking, particularly in the context of mUhCoViDNaruTive, where censorship and manipulation were used to control dissent. Despite these challenges, there is a call to recognize the victories of resisting oppressive control and maintaining a positive outlook. Charles equips us with resolve to resist demoralization and offering alternatives that uplift our spirit. Our should inherently desire freedom. This article is a rallying cry to stay optimistic, find like-minded Meshtadelians, and avoid surrendering to despair, as each person has the potential to influence positive change in the resistance movement to global slavery.



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[00:00:01] Unknown:

For your safety.   Big Pharma.   Big banks.   Income tax.  

[00:00:07] Unknown:

Oh, income tax. The Illuminati elite. Cultural Marxism.   We all hate income tax. You are nothing.   You are nothing to me.   Your I'd say income tax is something to somebody, Max.   In the United States, it was something to everybody.   Here a few days ago.   Later on in the episode, we'll talk about the morality of taxes. How how are you, my friend? You feeling the burden?  

[00:00:35] Unknown:

Stacking taxes here, mate.  

[00:00:39] Unknown:

That's not what we're supposed to do as Bitcoiners. Supposed to be sats.  

[00:00:42] Unknown:

Yeah. I'm trying not to, but,   it's incredibly hard to get away from them. You makes me Follow you around like a bad smell, these taxes.   Mhmm. And you know what I've found as well? They don't like it   when you refuse to pay them.   Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Like, they're not as cuddly, these government employees, as you might think. Like, we all like to think that they're really sweet nice people. Aren't they? Yeah. Because at the end of the day, they're here to help us,   obviously.   But, yeah. They they turn pretty mean when you don't wanna pay them their protection money.  

[00:01:18] Unknown:

I'm starting to see that. I don't know. Ronald Reagan had a famous quote with something like, what's the scariest phrase you can hear? And it's, I'm I'm from the government and I'm here to help.  

[00:01:31] Unknown:

Very good. The scariest thing that you can receive here is a brown envelope.   Anytime you receive a brown envelope in the UK   and it has HMRC   written on there, your asshole Twitches. It's never  

[00:01:45] Unknown:

good. I'm sure it does more than Twitch. Twitch is just the beginning. It never goes, whee.  

[00:01:50] Unknown:

You've got a free holiday.  

[00:01:52] Unknown:

It's always pay us now. If you don't, we'll ruin your life. You open the envelope and it says pucker up, buttercup. Did they even send lube? No, nada. They'll send sand. Grit. We want you to feel this one.   Well everyone, what you're feeling is   PMM   episode 4. Welcome to it. On this episode, we're going to talk about   architecture.   I bet you didn't expect that one, did you? No. We're going to cover,   the node runners   or Bert de Groot.   This little organization   had a meeting, so we're going to talk about 1 of the meshtadelians that was there. Well, there's lots of meshtadelians that go to those kind of things, but one in particular,  Gurtis Blauw.   Like I said, this is gonna be a very Dutch episode,   so all of you node runners,   take heed. Listen to the whole thing. You'll be deeply involved. They don't fuck around. No. No, they don't. They're very official about things. Mhmm. Americans, we're not. We're loosey goosey.  

They get shit done, mate. They do. You know, like, hey, we're running out of land.   Just reclaim some from the sea. No big deal. Just the the greatest engineering projects ever known to man.   Sure. Why not? Yeah. I think that's done something to the Dutch. It's like heightened their level of efficiency.  

[00:03:04] Unknown:

Talking about height, they're also extremely tall. I think they're the tallest nation on the planet. Oh, my. Yeah. It's like walking around with a 1000 Godzilla's around you.  

[00:03:15] Unknown:

A 1000 Godzilla's?  

[00:03:17] Unknown:

Yeah. Everywhere you go, there's fucking Godzilla. Just scurrying around, getting their shopping and stuff. So it's not just Brinky who's who's a giant over there? No. They all are. Brinky's not the only giant. Mhmm.   I'm not the,   tallest bloke in the world. I'm not the shortest bloke in the world. But,   yeah. I feel like one of those little toy poodles or something like that when I'm walking around in Holland.   Do you know what I mean? Like, one of them just pick me up Come on, man. In the bag. Come on. Let's go.  

[00:03:45] Unknown:

So what's been happening in the meshtadel? What's what's been some of your favorite things that you've seen in the meshtadel telegram group? Well, I saw a picture of you and Sarah. That was my favorite thing. I've had that framed.   Did you have that frame? That was a nice picture.  

[00:03:58] Unknown:

It was a very nice picture. I could feel the love and joy as I looked at that picture, and then I saw your steak dinner pictures and nice bottle of wine, and I lived vicariously   through you. I thought, that's lovely. What a lovely day. My friend John's having a lovely time.   Mhmm. It made me happy.  

[00:04:17] Unknown:

It really was a lovely time.   Sarah's mother came over and watched the kids, so that was great. She even drove herself.   That's right. That's a that's a thing. That's a thing to have to worry about. Will she be okay with driving out   45 minutes to watch the kids? Like, I I don't drive. Yeah. Yeah. I don't drive that far. Yeah. Yeah. We're like, listen, bitch. Why have you got a car then? Oh, so I can go to the grocery store. That's okay to drive there then. Hey. Let's not look a gift horse in the mouth, though. She did come out Yeah. And watch the kids for a night. And we had a went to a Brazilian   steakhouse   kind of place,   you know, where they come by and they cut the meats off of the skewers. Oh. Excuse me. I'll take another one of those. Ex ex yes. You over there. Come on. Come on over here. Give me more. Give me more. That's something we always say. You know, I I don't know how sandwich shops, but, you know, Subway is probably one of the most popular sandwich shops here. And Sarah and I always make fun of all the big fat people that go there because Mhmm. You know, when they go to put the dressing on, they've got these plastic squeeze bottles with all these seed oil dressings in them. Mhmm. You know, give me ranch.  

I want ranch, and they'll squeeze like a line. They'll go, 1, 2, you know, real quick pass, left, right, and they go, no. Give me more. Give me more.  

[00:05:33] Unknown:

No. Give me more.   You're not gonna rip me off. I want all that sauce on there. Give me more.  

[00:05:42] Unknown:

Gussling straight out of it like a little baby in their bottle.  

[00:05:47] Unknown:

Ranch dressing. Give me the bottle. You're trying to be cheap and rip me  

[00:05:54] Unknown:

off. That's the way I felt at the Brazilian steakhouse.  

[00:05:57] Unknown:

Give me more. Yeah. But it's alright with steak, isn't   it? It's true. That's no problem. What did you have? Just literally steak and red wine?  

[00:06:06] Unknown:

Yep. That's correct. You you know they had a big salad bar to trick you. And, like, oh, yeah. Go ahead and fill up on this cheap ass salad bar shit. Yeah. Not me. I didn't fucking touch it, dude. Mm-mm.  

[00:06:17] Unknown:

I chewed for 2 hours. Wow. 2 hours of chewing. How's your jaw line? It's strong. I think it always has been, hasn't it? But Yeah. Yeah. That sort of thing does help.  

[00:06:29] Unknown:

You know, my my daughter, number 1, she always does the gigachad pose.   You know? She's real obsessed with that meme. Yeah.   We see her, like, taking selfies of her, you know, doing the gigachad pose with her thumb and forefinger, you know, on her chin and, like, a squinty eye and and trying to, like, puff out her jawline and everything.  

[00:06:52] Unknown:

Yeah. Waving around her glock.  

[00:06:54] Unknown:

No. I love it. That's number 2 with the glock. Okay. Number 1, she's got a sick shower.   Okay. That's not true. Anyway, after that, we went to a concert. So it's been a long time we had even seen live music,   and we saw some punk bands. Me First and the Gimme Gimme's was headlining.   That's, like, members of No Effects, and they do punk rock covers Mhmm. Of all kinds of different songs. Did you feel old? What was the demographic there?   Gen Xers for the most part. Mhmm. And then Gen Xers bringing their kids. There were a lot of kids at that show. Okay.   Nice family event. But you didn't. You didn't invite yours. You said, fuck off. No. No. Thanks. You're not coming. Send. As a matter of fact, we sent pictures to number 1 of Sarah and I doing the the gigachad pose.  

I'm like,   screw you. We're at a concert, and you're not. That's good parenting. I like it.  

[00:07:46] Unknown:

What were your favorite bits of the Mestre d'el? The taxes conversation. So this started out with  

[00:07:52] Unknown:

Carl's music. Welcome to Carl's Corner, where we talk about Carl,   the Pled Manor mafia, and Mestreidel, and all things Carl. We need to do a jingle for this. Carl's coiner. We do need to do a jingle. Alright. Let's work on that. I assign you to do it. Okay. I will get it done. Very well. Carl asked, what do you say to someone who says they're happy to pay their fair share? Let's talk about that a little bit. Their fair share of taxes. You don't say anything. You punch them directly in the face. Yeah.   After I swallow the puke in my mouth,   I say nothing.  

Where do these people get this word fair share? School, university.   Yeah. That's gotta be one of the greatest psyops ever is convincing people that there is some kind of fair share for taxes. It's particularly bad in the UK  

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because everywhere has, like,  

[00:08:46] Unknown:

my roads.  

[00:08:47] Unknown:

They have that argument. But here, we've got, like Mhmm. What what about the NHS?   Right? What that fucking shithole where you have to wait for, like, 6 months if you've got cancer and   you, like, can't get in. And when you go in, there's just a load of drunks and fucking junkies all sat there, and you can't get looked after. That NHS. And, like, yeah. Well, you know, it's better than nothing. Not really, mate. It's actually not really better than nothing. I would rather I'd rather just not give   a large percentage of my money away so that I can get a very, very small percentage of it back   from the NHS. It's terrible. I reckon it's even worse here, the cockage,   than it is in America.  

It's fucking gross.  

[00:09:29] Unknown:

You think we're getting there?   You know, we should've added to our Frank Carter and the Rattlesnakes,   Ungovernable Misfits I Hate You as medical industrial   complex.   Oh, yeah. Yeah. We'll have we'll have to do a revision here in in a few months. I'll speak to them if they wanna collab. Yeah. I mean, that was nice of them to to collaborate,   especially the rattlesnakes. Boy, they're a great group to work with. They let you know when they're ready to strike. There's always a warning. That's how they count off. They get them a rapier song.   Bang.  

1, 2, 3, 4.   I think he was probably in his late seventies by that point. And when he and I got to talking, he would talk about   natural health, and   vaccines are a scam Mhmm. And you don't have to pay your taxes. Where'd it goin'? And the the it's a surveillance state out there. It's like and Tony had been saying these things since the the sixties. He's super old school. And he's your neighbor. So when he he die he's dead now. I was gonna say, I'd love to get Tony on the show. What a fucking nightmare. Oh, man. I I really wish he was still alive.   You know, the last, couple years of his life, he had he had had a number of strokes. I'll tell you about Tony real quick. Tony had had type 1 diabetes,   you know, forever and lived to be 80, 85 years old.  

And that's very, very rare. Like, his son his son, Justin, is,   an orthopedic surgeon. And he's in medical school, and he's telling the one of his instructors about his dad. And he said, oh, yeah. My dad has has type 1 diabetes. And he's like, oh, oh, well, you know, how old is he? And he's like, you know,   76.   And and the, instructor was like, well, come on. That's that's kinda he he can't be that old. He would have to have passed away by now. And he's like, oh, no. My dad keeps himself alive, and Tony ate, like, twigs and berries kind kind of thing. Mhmm. Whatever he ate, he had everything planned out as as to what he ate. He completely ignored the medical industrial complex. He had had a heart attack and he's like, they're like, oh, we wanna do a bypass. And Tony said, nope. Goes home, starts crushing garlic.   And, and all he stunk of garlic for, for the last couple years of his life just trying to to stay alive. Bathing in it. Yeah. Pretty much. Tony was an absolutely fascinating guy. I I really wish he he were still alive, and and we could have him on the show. Well, shout out,   Tony. May you, rest in peace. You sound like a great guy. Yep. I I I really loved that man. When we moved here, you know, just to find a kindred spirit like that, he he and I bonded quite strongly. I miss him a lot.  

Anyway, Tony used to say, you don't have to pay your taxes. No. There's there's nothing in the constitution about taxes.   And he said, well, Tony, they're still coming to take you to jail.   You can make that argument all you want. You know? And you hear these stories like former IRS agents saying, oh, yeah. There's nothing really legally   in there about paying taxes. I've heard these clips all the time. Yep. But they still take people to jail.  

[00:12:34] Unknown:

Yes. Yeah. I can say I've tested this theory. I've gone head to head, and,  

[00:12:40] Unknown:

it's not fun. I don't wanna go to jail. Dude, what do I want to do? So the solution here is maybe structure your life in a way   where   you're just paying less taxes. You're just doing less things where you interact with the tax apparatus.  

[00:12:55] Unknown:

Mhmm.   And there are lots of clever way it depends where you live, obviously. I think America's slightly different in that. Unless you relinquish your citizenship, citizenship, they always want a peace even if you leave. I I believe that's that's how it works. But in Europe,   for example, a lot of friends here are moving. A lot of people will go to Portugal.   People talk about what's the other place.   The name escapes me now. A a Spanish owned island   closer to Africa. Can't remember the name now. But, anyway, there there are options where you can move and pay   very little to no tax,   but you have to move to do it. And so   there's that option, or there's all the sort of games that people   play, especially rich people can play where, like, you own this company over here, but not really because it's in a trust, And then the money moves through here and blah, blah, blah. There's all these different steps, and it's like, ta da, no taxes.  

So it's your moral duty to pay as debt as you can, whether that's moving,   whether it's,   playing some sort of games. And I think there's probably gonna be a bit of an opening   for anyone who has knowledge in these areas   to help others and get some stats for doing so. It's something that comes up more and more where people are just like, fuck this. Why am I going swimming against the tide? You know? You can earn more, but if you end up paying most of it away, is there is it really worth it kind of thing? Yeah. My big complaint  

[00:14:26] Unknown:

in that conversation was people will often quote the bible or quote Jesus   to justify paying taxes.   Oh, I've heard this one. You know, render under Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's. Yeah. That's So so that means Jesus said pay your taxes. It says it right there in the Bible.   And I can't fucking stand. That's one of my big pet peeves is when somebody, like, just pulls something out of the Bible to control somebody else. Yeah. Mhmm. Jesus, a revolutionary.   He rides into to Jerusalem   on Sunday on a donkey   to a parade of people, you know, claiming he is God, waving palm fronds, and the Pharisees come and and challenge him. Jesus knows that he's gonna die within a few days, and the Pharisees try to paint him into a corner   and say, you know, what do you say about paying taxes?  

And Jesus comes up with this this great answer, really. He doesn't say   directly pay taxes.   He doesn't directly say don't pay taxes. That's what the Pharisees were trying to do is is paint him in the corner. Well, let me let's get Jesus with a gotcha question.   This will get him. Right? But instead, he he   getting painted into a corner of that false dichotomy.   He takes the opportunity to point out   what is what is of man, money,   taxes, and and what is of god. I thought it was a pretty good out. I mean, can you imagine this this guy is going to die. He knows he's going to die in a few days. In his last words one of some of his last words like, oh, yeah. And pay your taxes real quick. Mhmm. By the way,   I just I just wanted y'all to know, pay your taxes.  



[00:16:04] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, even if Jesus did say it, which I'm sure he didn't, even if he did, it doesn't really matter. It still doesn't make it morally right. It doesn't. And it's to me, it's super immoral to try to use that as an argument   to extort people into paying taxes. Yeah. And if you don't like the things that your government does with your money, which unless you're absolutely fucking evil and retarded,   can't possibly do. Above. Yeah. Exactly.   Then it is literally your moral duty to pay as little as you possibly can without being imprisoned.   So,   you know, I don't like a lot of the shit that my government is doing with my money. There's very little that I like. They do a few things where I'm like, yeah. That's not bad. Like, you fix that little pothole over there that was still terrible, and it's gonna break in another month. But you did it. Well done. Good on you. But pretty much other than that, yeah, I don't like what they do. The UK spent more money on those little, pylons to force people in the 15 minute cities and cameras to ensure people don't run over the pylons in a surveillance state than actually fixing a pothole. Yeah. More roads.  

If you move, though, which a lot of people are doing, in some of these countries,   0 capital gains,   whereas here, I think it's 25%.   No. And, yeah, and income tax is extremely low. So   being for the Europeans,   you know, it's worth looking at and saying, as an example,   somewhere like Portugal, if you said, okay. I'm living in England, or I'm living in the Netherlands, or I'm living in Germany, wherever it is. Is it   that much   more difficult to see my family? Because that's normally the one of, like, oh, you know, I don't wanna move because I've got family or friends or whatever. And it's like, you know, it's a big thing to move. Well, in Europe, particularly, not really   because you can get flights for, you know, like, a $100 return quite often. Mhmm. You're talking about a couple of hours. Like, you know, I can fly to Amsterdam in 50 minutes. I could get to Portugal in, like, 2 and a half hours. I can get, like, to Spain in about 2.  

You're not talking about   half a day or whatever. You can get these things done for not a lot of money. And if that means that your income tax comes right down and your cap gains   tax comes right down and suddenly your family is in a way better position.   It's worth thinking about. Vote with your feet.  

[00:18:29] Unknown:

Mhmm. Other people who have not just voted with their feet, but in in the way that we can vote is vote with their sats, and they have supported this show through fountain boosts.   Oops.   Old Chad Farrow's not gonna like that. Oh.   Through   podcasting   2.0   boosts. There you go, Chad. I caught myself. That's best set. We encourage you to boost on whatever Podcasting   2.0   platform   tickles your little fancy.  

[00:18:58] Unknown:

You checked yourself before you fully wrecked yourself. I chiggedy checked myself, indeed.  

[00:19:03] Unknown:

Expatriotic,   for instance, has been boosting on Podverse.   Okay. I do believe, and I have been remiss   in not checking sat urn   for all of the boosts.   But   Linkin Park rules   encouraged me to look through everything. Look under every nook and cranny for every tiny little set, and I found them. I found all of ExPatriotic's   boosts.   I checked between the couch cushions and found ExPatriotic's   sats. What's he have to say for himself, this guy? He says, made some sats on Stacker News. Here you go.   Well, thank you very much for writing things on Stacker News and then transferring those sats to us. Yeah. Thank you. He's like a mercenary.  

[00:19:45] Unknown:

Yeah. He is. And he is someone who,   clue's in the name, mate, ex patriotic.  

[00:19:50] Unknown:

He fucked off for a better life. He did. He voted with his feet indeed. Yep. He also says, haven't gotten through them all of yours yet because I've added a few mining podcasts and now autistically going through all of their episodes start to finish. What a fucking crater. Yeah. I mean, just listen to ours twice. It's all in there. I was actually talking to q and a about this,  

[00:20:10] Unknown:

yesterday.   What a waste of time. You know what I mean? But what are you doing with your life that you go to another   mining podcast?  

[00:20:17] Unknown:

Pathetic. I've listened to them.  

[00:20:20] Unknown:

Really ain't much there. Awful people as well, everyone who runs them.  

[00:20:24] Unknown:

Jeez. What do you think? Now you've gone too far. He also says John is a nerd,   covering mouth laughing face.  

[00:20:31] Unknown:

Oh, okay. He also says boost Max now or I'll find you. Oh. And then there's a picture of a sword as if he's going to stab you. It might not stab. It might be more of like a sweep. What would you call that? Slice. Like a slice. Yeah. He might slice you. That's a good point. I appreciate that. I love it when there's, like, a kind threat. It's like, do something nice or I'll kill you. Yeah. That's okay. He also says, I literally almost never listen to music too. Also, he's a fucking weirdo like you, Max. Mhmm. Only pods. No music in car as well. Yes. Also, send Max Sats, or I will hunt you down and dox you, you larvae hunter. Don't dox. I don't agree with that, mate. Just you can kill them. You can stab them. You can hurt them. All that sort of stuff threaten them. That's all fine, but we don't like doxing around here. And, yeah, glad to hear that I'm not the only one who likes silence.  

[00:21:19] Unknown:

Before we move on to the ones you're going to read Mhmm. I wonder why nobody ever offers to send me sets.  

[00:21:28] Unknown:

Don't think about that too hard, mate, because you're not a bad guy.   Alright? Don't read too much into it. Anyway, go ahead, Max. Okay. These ones are in blue. That means it's me.   Hash Slutette.   Oh, I like the name. Hash Slutette.   That is sexy.   69,420   sats. That's a sexy boost as well. Indeed.   Don't usually do this type of thing   but,   spelled like butt like an arse,   I'm sitting on a rack of overclocked   m sixties as I listen to you.   I'm yours.   Hash Slutette,   and a kiss.  

[00:22:12] Unknown:

What?   Wow. Okay. Dang. Is it hot in  

[00:22:20] Unknown:

here? I don't wanna read too much into this, but what do you think she's doing sitting on a rack of overclocked m sixties?  

[00:22:27] Unknown:

What a weird place to sit. I wonder why she would do such a thing. Is she just painting a picture, or you think she's actually doing this? I think she's actually doing this. She's listening to us. Mhmm. She must have some noise cancelling headphones.  

[00:22:40] Unknown:

I'd imagine so. Yeah. Because those things make a lot of noise and vibrations.   You kinky kinky thing.   Thank you very much, Hash Slutette.   We really do appreciate that. And   wow.   Okay. Yeah. Got a super fan. You don't know what it's gonna be. It's gonna be like a £350   bloke with a beard. That's okay. I hope not, but I think it will be. Whatever you're into.   Late stage hodl   boosted 55,555   sats.  

[00:23:08] Unknown:

He just wrote boosted. He just wrote boosted. That is correct.   I did I did not   lay that out incorrectly. You know what? I guess he wasn't in the mood. Maybe. And also, he's probably the highest booster  

[00:23:21] Unknown:

letter for letter. Like, character for character, that's the biggest boost. Mhmm. It's kind of a baller mood. Sure. Okay. I I see that. Yeah. Thank you, LateStageHodl. He's a baller.  

[00:23:32] Unknown:

Thank you, sir.   Next one is fundamentals.   The Meshtadel will teach their kids math themselves,   whether they're in public, private, or homeschool. I will see to that.   That is fundamentals' mission. That is a fundamental mission of fundamentals.   Fundamentals also says, first mission, we're gonna take   math   back from the limies.   The pluralization   of math is a psyop.   Maths.   Have you learnt your maths?  

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I've always thought it sounds so fucking weird when you Yankee Doodle say math. And we feel the same way about maths. It just sounds so fucking wrong, but I'm not too worried about it. Fundamentals is.   Yeah. It seems like it. You can have it back, mate. I'm I'm not precious about it.   Ape Mithrandir,   top 5 show booster.   Feels good.   We appreciate you, mate. Always up there. Always supporting the show. Yeah. He is. He gets me up in the morning. Okay. So does Hash Slut X.   Yeah. She he gets me up anytime, mate.   Mister g 256.  

A word on the submarine cable outage in Ghana.   Apparently, there was a back and forth issue over the government and incumbent telecoms like MTN,   Vodafone, and Co.   Not getting their cut of the data transmission from the Starlink satellite connections,   a lot of the young tech people use Starlink.   The undersea cables being cut are an interesting coincidence.   Anyway,   this rings a bell about needing a redundant network connection with any applications that require   dedicated connection.   Smiley face with glasses, recycling emoji, truck emoji, a left hand strong-arm,   a green   apple, a   what's that statue you have? Isis,  

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Europa.   Statue. Oh, the Statue of Liberty. Statue of Liberty. I I thought you're talking any any feminine demonic spirit. That's what she represents.  

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Okay.  

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Is it? To me? Yeah. If if you wanna do a whole show on that, I'd be more than happy to.  

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Always goes to a dark place with you. I was just, oh, it's just a nice statue, but you're like, no. It's a demon.   Night sky   boot   cup lightning bolt. I was slower than usual there. It's alright.  

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We're we're used to it at this point. Why don't you come to New York with us? We'll all go to Pub Key.   Me,   you, q and a will come over to PubKey and do one of his presentations.   Mhmm. G man,   fundamentals will come, bassload. We can all go skateboarding through the streets in New York because because g man's like a celebrity there. Oh, really? Yeah. You got the you got the key to New York City with g man around. Okay. Sounds good to me, mate. You down? Yeah. I, I need to get myself shape, though. As I said to q and a yesterday, I've really, really fallen off. Really? Since a month ago that you were bulking for your vacation? Get the fuck out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Like, really fucking fallen off. I've gone  

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full body disrespector   the last month.  

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Just Bulked in a different way. Oh, yeah. Hideous.  

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0 training at all. Like, none. Not once. Not lifted   come. You know, it'd be like, oh, well, I've already had some bread, so, you know, I might as well have, like, 5 donuts and a milkshake. Piece of shit. Yeah. This is horrendous. Get your shit together. I know, mate. Nasty. I know. I'm a come I'm a go over there and and go marine corps drill instructor on your ass. Okay. Get up. Get up, you nasty pig.   Yeah. Well, I've got to be honest about these things, mate. You can't hide them. You have to own this shit. And I'm owning the fact that I am a lazy,   useless cunt at the moment. Change it. Yeah, I will. Business cat says powerful.  



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Not lately, right, Max? No.  

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Far from it. Chad f  

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says, I got my own chapter. Thanks, guys.   And it was 333 sats. Sorry, Chad. I forgot what all the, secret set things were. Wartime psychopath, fire, and some cheers. Cheers to you, my friend. And Bubba,   3 AM. I'm tired.   2 hours sleep, but you all kept me going.   Thanks.   Thanks, you. Thank you. Oh, sorry. Edumication in kids? Well, no kids. Didn't have the patience. But maybe in retirement, I will make some philosophy books for the homeschool kiddos. I'd like that. I'll call it   Bubbalonian thought, and oh, yes, I think I was a gifted child. I mean, hell, my parents were always trying to give me away, but I'm, you know, like gifted.   But even being as precious as I was, no takers.  

Hell,   I just don't get this world. Good show fellers. That's lovely.   Yeah. And I'm happy we're keeping Bubba from driving a big, big truck off the side of the road. Wake up. Me too. And I like Babylonian.  

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I think that's  

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nice. Yeah. Screw  

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Socrates and Plato, we have Bubbalonian.  

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Ghost of Shadrach.   Eyes and a fart.   Soul exporter.   Yes. PLEB   minor bot. I imagine a punk skull driving around, opening its mouth, and outshoots a harpoon   tongue.   Yeah. We didn't think of that one. We didn't. Yeah. Because it could have, like, a winch that then pulls its opponent in, gets in  

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close.  

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Once the prey   once the prey bot has been caught, it is dragged into the PM. Oh, it actually said what I was thinking. We did. We're so aligned. Once the prey bot has been caught, it is dragged into the PM skull's mouth to be chopped up.   Fire Robot   Fundamentals   Robot Wars is dogfighting for white people.  

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That's racist.   That's so racist and sexist as well, actually. Yes. Yeah. Because he know he means guys.  

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Fuck's sake. Fundamentals.  

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Sat Smith Misfit. Do you think they will make this battle bot in their garage,   Max?   He's very obsessed with you saying garage.  

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I think they will make it in their Imaginarium.   Mhmm. Is that specific? Indeed.   Mhmm.  

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He also says Yeah. To get a battle bot name,   mafia boss. Oh, I like that. I like that too. Hey, look who we got coming up to boost. Hey. Chingity Ching. It's   Piez the donkey.   He says, mad love for you fuckers.   Stop,   drop,   shut them down, open up shop, boost, fuckers.   And he also says 420   sats. I like all these people trying to get away with putting their sats amounts, but I I guess 4:20 is super important for everybody. Today.   It's 420 today. Yeah. Sure is.   And and the Hal Finning. So the Hal Finning happened for some people on 4:20. It happened for me on 4:20.   Wow. Aren't you cool? Very cool. It was about 8 PM here, and I was on on Node Runner's radio   with all of the, Node Runner's, and SoulEx was on there, and we were celebrating.  

Was on I was on Telegram doing show prep and Okay. Doing it very shittily because I was distracted by all this.   How fitting stuff.   Hey. Can you read this piez one for me, this next one? Because on my display, it I don't think it shows the icons as as well as it does yours, and you're so good with seeing those icons.  

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Okay.   Green gun, yellow strong-arm. Green gun, yellow strong-arm. Green gun, yellow strong-arm. Mushroom, beers, mushroom, beers, mushroom, beers. Salute, salute, salute, salute, salute, salute, salute, salute. America,   England flag. America, England flag. America, England flag. Well, actually, Great Britain flag, but whatever. I think that represents us. Do you reckon? Yeah. That's what he's going for. Guns and guns, isn't it? Guns and guns and guns  

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and guns. Guns and you can do, like, 50 pull ups. This is true. I'd love to see that. It's impressive. I eve even in in my day when I weighed next to nothing and did pull ups all the time, I think probably 30 in the clip was about all I could do. And that was 30. That was impressive impressive for that. I mean, I That's extremely   impressive.   Yeah. That's without kipping. Yeah. Yeah.   Yep. That's straight up. Because what what happened in the marine corps, like, before 96, you used to be able to kip. You know, like, kick your body kick your body and legs and and get up.  

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Oh.  

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A patch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's no. Yeah. I never had the coordination to kip.   It didn't matter. I would just crank them out.   And for your physical your physical fitness test, at that time, it was, like, 80 sit ups in 2 minutes, and then they changed it to a 100 crunches in in 2 minutes. And the 3 minute mile and your perfect score was,   3 minute mile in under 18 minutes, and your pull ups was 20. You get 20. That's a that's perfect score. And then all three of those things together, that was a 300. So you would say I'm a 300 PFTer.  

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Are you doing, like, the pussy pull ups where you've got   your   fingers facing yourself   and your arms locked in, and they're like a short shoulder width? Or are you doing proper what I would call a pull up, which is wide, wide, wide on the bar with your knuckles facing towards your face that way? Are you doing those, or are you doing the pussy ones? You can do either or. I mean, to me, if you don't do you do? Palm I do the palms away from you. Yeah. Yeah. The pussy ones. Oh, the palms away from you. Okay. Palms away from me. I was surprised.  

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I didn't have you down for that. No. I get a I get a back. That's what drives me. Back. Yeah. This is true. All back. Palms towards you is more biceps.  

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My baby   got  

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back.  

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Well, if you can do 30 of those, that's impressive. Well done. No. Not now. I'm talking   25 years ago. Yeah. If you ever could, that's impressive. But not not as impressive as Pies because he can do a 150. A week. Yeah. And I I think he I think he's, like, in his forties. So Amazing. Well,   thanks for making me feel like an even larger piece of shit.   I really I really appreciate that. It's not hard.   Nikki Jean,   thumbs up.   Revolution 77,   hydrogen, h, helium, h, e, lithium, l I, beryllium,  

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b e, boron, b That's the cut. You know What? You don't have to do this. This is this is asshole,   satsmisfit,   and some I think it's probably Barn Miner too. I I don't know. But everybody decided   to have you read   all of the elements.  

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And That's mean because I'm special.  

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Yeah. They know that you're dyslexic, and there's no fucking way that you would get through the whole thing. You  

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cunts.  

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I can't let I can't let them do this to you.   Okay. I appreciate that. Thanks, babe. Alright. So I I'm going to take this over   by doing it in a song. Oh.   Uh-huh. Almost there.   There's antimony,   arsenic, aluminum, selenium, and hydrogen, and oxygen, and nitrogen, and rhenium, nickel, neodymium,   neptunium, germanium, and iron, meryconium,   ruthenium, uranium,   europium, zirconium,  

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luthenium, vanadium, lanthanium, and osmium, and acetate, and radium, and go protect, vanadium,  

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and gallium, and iodine, and thorium, and   thallium.   Wow.   There's yttrium, urbidium, and actium, rubidium, and boron, galadinium,   new, bimium, iridium, sputum,  

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and silica, silver, sem, marium,   Bismuth, chromium, lithium, myrylium, and barium. There's holmium, and helium, and halphium, and erbium, and phosphorus, and frankium, and fluorium, and terbium, and manganese and mercury's, Maldenum, magnesium,   dysbromium and scandium and cerium and cesium and lead and protozanthesia   and plutonium and plutonium,   palladium, prothemium,   potassium, polonium,   metallium, technetium,   titanium,   talluvium, and cadmium, and calcium, and chromium, and curium.  

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I think   I think I'm off beat but that's okay. I'm gonna keep going.   Oh, there we go. Alright.  

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There's sulfur californium and fermium and berkelium and also mentovillium   instenium, no billium, and argon, crypton, neon, radon, xenon, zinc, and rhodium, and chlorine, carbon, cobalt, copper, tungsten, tin, and sodium.  

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And there's some new ones that if you've never fucking heard of these before, I guarantee.   Okay?  

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I don't know if I should start now, but I'm gonna see borgium,   mytenium,   nihonium,   peronium,   hasmium, lorentium,   dubnium,   livermorium,   tenaceum,   ogisium,   copper, nixium,   flavoreum,   rutherium,   4 diem,   Darmestadium,  

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Rowentgenium,   and Muscovium.   They're Wow. You fucking sons of bitches.  

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Knock that one out of the park, mate. Love it. That's really impressive.   You know, q and a was, singing your praises yesterday.   Oh, really? Genuinely, he was like, you know, John's got a really good voice. Oh, how nice. It's like, if if things ever go bad for him in his fiat life, he could probably join some sort of cover band or something. He'd probably make a living that way.  

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I was Yeah. I was very excited to see me first in the gimmee gimmee that excited me to, be in a cover band again. Were you in a cover band? Oh, yeah. I was in a cover band in in the late nineties.   Of course, you were. We did all the normal nineties hits of of that time, like   Matchbox   20,   we did that Flagpole Sitter song. Was it Harvey Danger? We did Red Hot Chili Peppers.   Okay. Stone Temple Pilots,   Alice in Chains,   stuff stuff like that. You know? Were you good?   Late nineties. Yeah. We're alright. We played in a couple bars. This was in in, when I was in the marine corps in North Carolina. So whatever local bars were around there, we played. I would love to see that. I'd love to go back in time and see you and a couple band playing in one of those bars. You know, I I play bass   and I sing,   but I can't play bass and sing at the same time.  

So we have to purposefully pick songs or dumb down the bass line so I could so I could sing   because I am not corded enough. I don't know how people do it. Mhmm. And, like, Phil Collins drums and sings at the same time. Yeah. That's mad.   Sting plays bass and sings at the same time. Like, you can stick somebody behind a rhythm guitar   and have them sing. Like, oh, I'll just strum a few of them. Mhmm. And I get another rhythm guitarist or lead guitarist to cover me. I can't fucking do it. Man, there's a lot of talented people out there, and I ain't one of them. There are. That is incredible. I don't know how the fuck people do that. Me either. I can barely text and walk. You got it or you don't? Yeah. Can't play piano either.   Like, how am I supposed to have 2 different hands doing different things Yeah. That don't make it look as if it's me.  



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That was beautiful.   What do you call that? A periodic table, or what what does it say to you? Table of elements. Yeah.   Okay. Well, it was really nice. Fuck you to all of you come to trying to trip me up. And thank you, John, for looking after me and knowing that I need help. So thank you very much.  

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I I just can't have people going after you like that. No. I mean, to I'd have your back to pick on somebody with a disability is wrong.  

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Yeah. Yeah. That really is sexist.   LinkinParkrulz.   Testing the value time split.  

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Okay. Well, you know that before because we played fun a fundamentals song Mhmm. Last last PMM episode. Okay. And while that song was playing,   fundamentals got the sat stream.  

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Ah,   it worked.   It worked. Yeah. Wow. We're so good at stuff. And when I say we, I mean Link and Park rules.  

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Yeah. Ex exactly. When it comes to all this podcasting 2 point o stuff, he's taken us to a whole   another  

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level. Can confirm.  

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Next up on PMM, we have Parallel Economies,   meshtadels,   and Micro Communities.   Our good friend, Bert de Groot,   hosts a talk and has Bitcoiners and people interested about Bitcoiners join together, and he does a little q and a session, an intimate q and a session, and we're going to talk about that. Renechap,  

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sing it forza.  

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I don't know what to say in Max. I don't speak Italian either.   That's Bonke Park  

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by Renee Froger. Okay. Probably saying that wrong. Really? You know the the the Dutch, they'll correct you real quick on shit. Oh, really? Yeah. You've gotta the trick to speak Dutch well is you gotta always be coughing up phlegm. So it's   with   everything.   That's it? Yeah. Exactly.  

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Yeah. Well, I've I've sang that song a lot. I really love it because in Node Runner's FM radio, the reason I played that, the,   Donnie,   the guy rapping in that song Mhmm. In that video,   there's, like, them dancing on stage like a big band, like, if if they're playing for a wedding or something like that. And that guy looks like Bert De Groot. So I often Insert GIF. Insert GIF. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's how we do things.   Sure.   It's a full experience here. Yeah. It's an immersive experience. If you look at your phone right now under chapters,   you'll notice there is a Renee, Frogger, and Donnie GIF of Donnie dancing up on stage with maybe balloons in the background.  

Mhmm. Just imagine that's Berte Groot. Because it is. They talk about all kinds of things   in this oh, I forgot to tell you who it's with. It is with Goethe Splaaugh. Goethe is a meshtadelian. He is over in Europe. He has, similar aspirations to untapped growth. He'd like to have a farm. He's planning something like that, a farm, an intentional community that will be on a Bitcoin standard, that will be on the we can have our own standard, the mesh to deli and standard, where it'd be small families interacting with one another, homeschooling the kids,   sourcing their own food,   and trading and interacting with other   citadels within the meshtadel community. So one of the purposes of this show is to strengthen the connection in between all of these these different citadels.  

There was a bit of an issue in in the meshtadel the other day. I think somebody didn't quite understand   who we were and and what we do, and there was some disagreement. And he left the group because of this disagreement.   Oh, really? I missed that. And I found it odd that, like, the meshtadel isn't about making sure that each one of these nodes is in compliance with one another. Mhmm. It's just about strengthening the connection between the nodes. That's that's what we do there. Mhmm. So it was good to hear Gurtis' view of things, and kudos to Bert   for strengthening   those connections in between nodes.  

I've got a clip here   of a couple clips of the interview. Now listen, Max. You're not going to like this first clip, not because of the content in it, because of the audio quality. They didn't have their mics on.  

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Yeah. Okay. Well Alright. I will   allow it anyway because I have such respect for Curtis. So   let it play.  

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Alright. I just wanna tell you this because I know your your your OCD is gonna be out of control.  

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Mhmm.  

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Prepare yourself.   Overproduce something physical which you would sell for Bitcoin. Yeah. Sure. So you can make sense in that map. Sell to another citadel  

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if possible. Right? To   the meshtadel. And all the idea of the meshtadel. And that was all kinds of these citadels,   decentralized   in geographically, and, they'll trade.   They'll be   friendly towards each other.   They'll trade. So if we produce a lot of timber   and those guys who produce the eggs, and will,   will trade. Right? Yeah. Maybe with this one as the unit. So that's the medium of exchange,   But we'll trade with each other. Are you okay, Max, after that?  

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Your mic is off.   I don't wanna speak to you right now. Alright. I understand. For those that didn't hear because of the poor audio quality, Gurtis was making the point that within individual citadels, you're going to have excess goods or things that you are good at, specializations.   Specializations like, you know, basically what brings us out of the stone age has propelled us from being simply subsistence   type farmers or subsistence living. So his intention, of course, is to do something and do it well and trade with other citadels. I like this clip because it doesn't have to be any more complex than that. This this new civilization that we're building, there's nothing new about it. We we just want to get back to first principles   interaction with, the different communities.  



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Do you have another clip that is,   of better quality?  

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Yes, I do.   Oh, good.  

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There's a there's a big social element around it of exiting the rat race,   not being stuck in your office job or in your factory job or whatever. Being outside,   being in nature, being with your peers.   In my opinion   my kids aren't going to school   and they never will if it's up to me.   Start living like this in a kind of a community like setting   that would be if there would be different families   back together, we could organize   schooling for the kids. If you really wanna be autonomous and sovereign   in in many aspects, you'll need a small crowd. Right? Like,  

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5, 10, 20 families to share in in the cost. It's the dream. It is the dream. It's a nice dream. Can I tell you a story about Curtis?   I'd love that. He's such a sweet man. I met Curtis   when I was in Amsterdam.   Wasn't doing very well at the time. I was a bit fucking high, and I was really cold. And I was sat outside I had my hoodie on and all that and I was shivering   and this sweet voice just came over  

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Hello   Would you like my jacket?   And then he put it around my shoulders.   There you go. You will be warm. And then sat there  

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without a jacket and had a conversation with me.  

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The man who would give the jacket off of his back to you,  

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Literally.   I actually met him out there, had a great conversation with him. And, you know, sometimes when   things just click with a certain person, you just feel like, okay. This is my type of guy.   Mhmm. He works with his hands.   He was very smart. He really you could tell cared about his family in this whole thing for the right reasons.   And I said to him, I was like, look. You'd really fit in well with a meshtadel. I think you'd have a lot to offer. I think this is your sort of place.   And ever since he's gone in there,   he's been incredible. It's been awesome to have him in there. And I think many people now consider him a good friend. So that little small act of kindness   blossoms into something beautiful.  



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Right.   That's the kind of character that you need to run an intentional community. If you're going to to gather up 5, 10, 20 families together   to be pointed towards the same goal of of self sovereignty,   you're gonna need somebody who who people look up to, and I think Curtis is or Gerdys is that kind of character.   I also like that your   Dutch impression is very similar to your Ukrainian impression.   Yes. No problem. You've got the baby hairs. No problem. You little boy hands.   Oh, I hope you tell that story someday, the one you told me the other day. I can't be telling Ukrainian stories   live, I'm afraid. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Anyway,   we have another clip. They don't like this. The kill is no problem. It's no problems. Poison is okay. No problem. It's only   money.  



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These questions come up when you think about how are we going to build a parallel economy.   For me, I think it's very important that we actually can have a full   Bitcoiner life, let's say, on   most locations on our planet. Some locations already have this,   but we don't really have this in the Netherlands yet. And there are some missing links like sourcing our food.   If that would be   possible, then we can actually build forward on that and grow the this economy this Bitcoin economy from there.  

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And maybe what also   fits is we are a very small niche right now. So maybe we are perceived as not dangerous   while we are to the existing   powers.   It's in that sense we should take up that role and just build what we feel   is necessary,   not for the whole country, but for us, And we're facing some,   pretty concerning   times.   There might be some serious societal collapse coming forward, and in that scenario   I wanna build and provide for the kids for the future but   in essence   for   us, for the not for the masses, the masses don't really matter.   They'll find us eventually.  

Right now we   need to make the start   and take care of building a fairer   economy maybe. Built on Bitcoin it probably isn't   stoppable, but it's up to us to,   to try it, to give it a go. We've got very little to lose in our current system, I would say. The most powerful part of that to me was  

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the acknowledgment that if it's going to be built, that we are the ones that are going to need to build it,   and that we can't build it with the masses   in mind. We just have to build it for us.   And whatever we're talking about, if we're talking about a farm, if we're talking about a Bitcoin mine, if we're just talking about an intentional community,   we build it for us.   And if you do it with those self serving   goals in mind, it will be good, and it will attract other people that you can choose to bring into your community. Mhmm. I wanted to add something else there, though, that if it's an attractive community,   not just the good people will be looking towards your community to join and try to be a part of. You have to build a moat.  

This   both virtually and physically.  

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Mhmm. Because you're always gonna you're gonna have someone like   Curtis   who is going to literally take the clothes off their back to keep a complete fucking stranger   warm. You know, people like that, kind, caring, giving   people. You also obviously have the complete   opposite   of that. You're gonna have people who will do anything   for themselves   and nothing for anyone else. And they'll try and insert themselves   into these groups and take and take and take. And how do you   prevent   that from happening?   How do you,   I guess, how do   you notice who these people are? How do you try and   keep them away? And I don't know really what the answer is because a lot of the sociopaths   or people who would come and take advantage   are pretty smart. They're pretty good at Mhmm. Yeah. Lying and cheating and stealing. And so, yeah, I I don't know the answer, but it's a fucking good question. From my knowledge of  

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people who build intentional communities within the Bitcoin world, untapped growth is doing it very well. I'm not sure he's ready to roll out exactly what his plan is for qualifying people and the levels of qualification within the organization.   But I have read some of the the documents there, and they're very advanced   and very well thought out. So I hope to have him back on the show or back on another meshtadel to describe their governance structure and their method of qualifying people in building an intentional community. That's definitely somebody to look up to in a in a standard   simply because of the experience,   really. Mhmm. And besides the fact that he's just a very thoughtful guy and and others within his organization are intelligent and thoughtful.  



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And I know they've probably spent 100 of hours around the kitchen table at night figuring this stuff out. Or what if this? Or what if that? Or what kind of people are we looking for? Yeah. Because you have to have some structure. Because if it's small numbers of people, if you know them really well and it's small numbers of people, you can kind of just go in going, you know, I know John's gonna have my back. And, like, if I'm putting up a load of fencing all day, he's not just gonna have, like, a nap. You know? He's not gonna just do fuck all while I work. You kind of know that. But as it gets bigger   and it gets more complex, it's very difficult to   really understand who's doing what and who's spending their time on what. And that's where it becomes more complicated. And you'd obviously want to just be like, look. Let's just all do shit that's useful from the moment we rise to the moment we sleep until we get somewhere. Yep. Cool. Let's do that. And you have no real necessary, like, structure. It's just you do what you're good at. I'll do what I'm good at, and we'll just build.  

That's fine. Okay. That's fine. Okay. That's fine.   But you can't really do that when   these groups get too big. But then if you have too much   rules and checks and everything else that you might need, then it's no longer fun or free. I don't know how you strike that balance   hands off versus, like, micromanaging the whole thing, and then you end up being effectively like a boss. Like, I don't know how you do that. You're going to have a tribal structure. You're gonna have a a family tribal structure. There's going to be governance.  

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You're gonna come up with rules. This is just the nature of of human beings. Listen, if we were all perfect angels,   then, of course,   communal living and sharing everything would work, but it doesn't. Every time it's tried, it falls apart. I think the the pilgrims, if people read my my Thanksgiving article, the pilgrims are a good example of that. They tried communal living, where they share the fruits of everyone's labor. And what do you get? You get 10 people that are working hard, 10 families that are working hard, and others,   whatever percentage,   are not working hard because they get to share in the spoils, and they sit sit on their ass. Why would I work hard as Jebediah does when I don't have to? Oh, we see that here. Yeah.  

You you see it everywhere where communism and socialism are expressed. Okay. But that's fine.   Ungodal misfits   features anarchy   a lot. The Ungovernable Misfits' anarchy a is heavily featured. Mhmm. Misfit rants, there's a lot of articles about anarchy, and I like that. I like the ideas of anarchy. But when you start getting into   a tribal intentional community, you're going to have rules. I don't have all the answers of how much anarchy and how much rule, but it is something that everybody needs to be considering as we want to get away from huge   international   ruling bodies and bring things closer to the family. You're gonna have to Isn't it still classed as anarchy, though? Like, for example,  

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if I'm entering into an agreement with Mhmm. You and 5 other neighbors that this is kind of how we do things,   we are freely   trading, and we're making agreements between each other without force.   Mhmm. And then if at any time,   suddenly, everyone's like, you know, I wanna do something that I don't agree with, then I can say, well, I don't wanna do that anymore. And they go, that's fine. Okay. That's fine. Okay. That's fine.   So it is still   I would still see it as anarchy. You don't have, like, a rule like a ruler. It's more just, I agree that this is how we should do things, and I agree that this is what I wanna do. And because you think the same as I do, we're going to trade, and   we're gonna look after each other. And as soon as that  

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stops and as soon as it's no longer in my interest to do Mhmm. Things this way or you want to change, then the deal's off, and I move on or you do or whatever. So it's not that it isn't anarchy. Again, as you as you enter in these covenants with other people, that they'd be defined and you keep your word. And I can just see in a scenario. So let's take a 5, and we're getting off topic here, so we'll have to rush through the end end of the show. But this is this is important   too. Mhmm. So let's take a community of, as Curtis   lays out,   5, 10, 20 families.  

And we've all agreed to steward the land   to take up different,   specializations.   I I think that's important. Somebody be the the cow guy, somebody be the lumberjack, somebody who did do this. I think specialization is important. It's obviously what what made the   the English   so successful. I mean, look at look at English last names, the the Miller,   Baker,   Butcher. You know? You know? Mhmm. Specialization   catapulted civilization.   And somebody within this group just doesn't want to participate anymore, but you can't exactly say, I'm gonna take my ball and go home. I'm the cow guy, and I now no longer want to participate. I mean, it get it gets complicated. Yeah. It does. So you have to really make these definitions and just say, well, I believe anarchy, so I can just do whatever the the fuck I I want to. Yeah. And and I'm gonna break my oath. It gets complicated. Well, you can, but there's consequences.   Point out the fact that that it it does get complicated.  



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I don't know. I don't really know where I'm gonna wanna go with that. Well, you you yeah. You you might you gotta define anarchy. Yeah. But but you can take your ball and go home. You can just say, fuck this. I'm not doing anymore. But there's consequences   for that.   So you can make that decision, but you will probably end up paying for it. And the best thing that you can do if you want to be healthy and live long and have a happy life is to look after the people around you because it gets noticed. You know? So those people only have so long in a community like that. And what happens with those types of people who take more than they give is usually they just move. They just keep moving   because people suss them eventually.  

And they get away with it in big cities. But you don't get away with it in smaller communities because everyone's like, hang on a minute. This guy does fuck all.   So do you know what I mean? So I don't think it's necessarily a long term   issue. You would slowly they would slowly be weeded out. Mhmm. And then you might also say, like, okay. We've had this community for the last 8 years.   And every day for the last 8 years,   John has been up at 5 o'clock in the morning, and he's been working hard, and he's been helpful, and he shares when he needs to share, and he's good to everyone, and he's kind with everyone. But   he's fucked this week, and he's doing nothing this week. And his track record is good enough that none of us care because   fuck it. He's not normally like this, so we we let it slide. But if it's someone who's doing it every other week, then you need to have that conversation. Be like, listen, bitch. Mhmm. You either actually help and be part of this or you don't. That's your decision. I think and a lot of times, if people were to pick up the slack, they're picking up the slack not because  

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they're thinking about somebody else's interest or they're or they're just being charitable, but it benefits them. You know, somebody's sick or can't do something for a week, don't worry. We'll harvest your grain this week. We'll pick up your chores. Why? Well, because we're all gonna need grain here,   And then sometime in the future, I might get sick. So there's there's self serving   motivations for for helping people out and picking up the slack and maintaining reputation within a community. The dream that untapped growth has and that Gerdas has in building intentional communities, they're usually very farming based. But no matter what, you're gonna be using some type of modern farming. You're gonna be using you're gonna stay within the modern era, I assume. Why not? Why wouldn't you? Untapped growth in particular has, like, automatic   gates   that raise and lower the electric fence so they can move animals through the paddock without having to be there. I know that drone technology   is getting pretty advanced where people are herding animals with drones. That's cool. And also using dogs as well. It isn't. I don't think, like, these drones are exactly replacing,   you know, the help of dogs. But, look, a lot of people ride quads now instead of riding horses. What I'm trying to make here is you're going to get more advanced   within within your farming community, within your central community. You're still gonna use modern things, and you're gonna source your own food, but you need to start thinking about sourcing your own means of production, and that's why I'm glad to have a sponsor like Bifrost Manufacturing.  

That's right. Bifrost Manufacturing.   Bifrost Manufacturing.com.   They have all kinds of means of production. They not only have, the material capital there, they have the intellectual capital as well. And recently, they had announced on LinkedIn that's right. I checked LinkedIn for Bifrost manufacturing updates because that's where Bifrost manufacturing,   exists. That's where Aaron Hall and his organization   are very active on LinkedIn.   So if you want,   updates on Bifrost Manufacturing   and you're a LinkedIn cuck, then go ahead and check back on your LinkedIn   and, see the updates. Recently, they just nailed an aerospace engineer, a very experienced   senior aerospace   engineer from a larger   aerospace organization.  

And the reason they did that, well, 1, because of somebody somebody of that caliber wants to come and work for your organization. You say, yep. I'll give you whatever your needs, whatever you need to, build whatever   you're dreaming of in our imaginarium.   So they just landed that guy, and I think Bifrost is going to become a real leader in aerospace engineering and and drone technology. Maybe something Bifrost   manufacturers will be shot into space or at least the high levels of the atmosphere someday. Do you not want them to build  

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in their imaginarium?   Have you seen those really cool drones that are like 1 man or 2 man drones that you actually fly with yourself in it? No, but I want 1   Oh my god, that's so fucking cool. Like, they don't have the the best flight times, but 30 mile radius, something like that. And you get into these things. They look like little stealth in it, like spaceships, little stealth spaceships.   And then they've got,   like, many, many rotors. So rather than just having, like, a quad that you'd have on most of the drones, you'd see there'll be, like, 10 rotors. And you can get into these things and fucking fly them. But you could just fly them with your phone or whatever like you would a normal one. They're incredible.   So if they could make some sort of stealth   plebminer,   1 man or 2 man   drone thing  

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Okay. So let let's,   let's make a checklist here for Bifrost.   Number 1, Robot Wars. Yes. Check. Number 2,   Manned  

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Drones. Yeah. I'm just searching it now.   Jetson make one.  

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Jetson as in Georgia. Jetson?   Yes.   Did he leave Spacely Sprockets   and start up his own his own organization? Good for him. That is correct.  

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Mantra yeah. The Jetson 1, it's called. And then they also I'm actually gonna   send you this.  

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No. Okay. That's fine. Hold on a second.  

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There we go. You see it in your little, telegram? I see it in my little telegram.  

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The Jetson 1,   human carrying drone.  

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Mhmm.  

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I think they could come up with a better name than human carrying. Okay, mate.   I'm sorry. I got stuck up on that.   Okay. Big fucking deal. It's a drone you can sit in. Why are you obsessed about the name?   Pretty cool. Battle wokeness wherever I see it. Pretty cool, isn't it? It is pretty cool. Get on it, Bifrost. And, like, the we you know, we're supposed to be advertising for Bifrost to get people to To make stuff. Get things manufactured  

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there. Mhmm. But all we do is just order them to make stuff for us. Well, I think that we wouldn't be the only people that if Bitcoin does what we think it might do over the coming years, and people have citadels and meshtadels, and they wanna get from place to place. You wanna go as the crow flies, you wanna do it in the easiest, stealthiest way, well, you know, I think people would want these. And so I think I should make them. And I think it should it should be all blacked out, and I think it should have a massive skull on the side of it. Alright. Fine. You do that. I'll still be in my Toyota Hilux.   Okay.  



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Thank you, Bifrost Manufacturing,   for   imagineerium   design   and imagining with us. Next up on PMM, we have   picturesque   versus   modern architectural   monstrosities.   Max, this was our meshtadel call. Mhmm. Urban Hacker came on a meshtadel call to give us a presentation of why he hates modern architecture   and why game designers   and movie designers often do architecture better than university   trained   architects.  

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Yes. I knew it would be Urban as soon as you mentioned that we might be talking about this. Right. He's been on a tear on Twitter recently. Yeah. For the most part, I agree with him. Well, let's hear right from the horse's mouth. Here is Urban Hacker introducing  

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what he is going to present to the meshtadel. I  

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always hated   modern architecture, most modern architecture. I think it's   it makes us depressed. It makes us sad. And   I I always wondered why why is that? Why can't we build   things like they did in the past?   And,   what I'm going to show you is how movie makers and game makers   can utilize architecture   in a in a in a way that that makes it   good.   So my second statement is beauty is not subjective.   If you need to go 10 years into a   postmodern   art degree at university to learn   that this big brutalist building is beautiful,   then   probably   you are getting indoctrinated.  

Right?   Throughout history, if we see at many different type of architecture,   most people will find beautiful a church, a mosque, a pagoda,   a palace,   a Chinese castle.   It doesn't really matter where it's from, but   as long as it's kind of in the traditional style,   people will find it beautiful.   And I think this is telling that people across culture, across countries,   across ethnicities,   they all have this thing in common that they like old  

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old type buildings no matter where they are. Interesting. He says you need to go and be indoctrinated to   see that thing as beautiful. I think that's probably true. I think the more   wanky types, the university types, who are more cultured,   will appreciate shit architecture Yeah. More than normal people. Culture  

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cultured equals indoctrination.   You are not a classically trained artist.   Aren't I? Aren't you? I don't know. You tell me.   Are you are Max,   are you a classically trained artist?   Yes.   Have you been indoctrinated?  

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Yes.   And I love paying taxes.   They're awesome.   I knew it. I don't   like a lot of the stuff that I see, but it doesn't mean I don't like all of it. Like, some of the modern architecture,   I do really like, and sometimes I do like a mix of   really beautiful old buildings, like barns, with then something that's really contrasting.   I sometimes quite like things like that. So I'm not on that train of nothing is ever built beautiful anymore and unless it's done classically, it's shit. Like, I'm not I'm not like that. And the same with modern art, you know,   it doesn't feel like that to me. So I'm I'm probably somewhere in the middle, but, yeah,   most modern architecture   that you see is   pretty terrible. I agree with them for the most part. And just from an an art perspective,  

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I don't know your style of art, what would it be called. It's it's to me, it's very,   Jackson Pollock.   The process and the person is the expression of art. I like your paintings.   Thank you, man. I find them beautiful. There's one in particular that you know that I really like with with the trees. Mhmm. I'm the same way too. Like, there's some Jackson Pollock paintings,   which I think are cool and look good. You know, Andy Warhol is from Pittsburgh. So some of the pop art stuff, I I think is good. I like going to the Warhol Museum with so much. That's that's her jam. So, yeah, I'm not against all modern art as well, but I think really what urban   hacker, Hurben,   he'll say it with an h. Hurben. People talk to me at work, and they say Hurben   with an h.  

Urban hacker is talking about, like, brutalist architecture.   Stuff that is just downright   ugly.   And   Le Corbusier Le Corbusier   is one architect that he mentions in particular.  

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The Le Corbusier   Le Corbusier. He made a city in India.   He went like   basically, it's a building that is like this one I'm showing you on the screen. It's different, but could be this one.   And he went there 2 days   and then designed this giant concrete   place   that in summer is so hot,   nobody can go there.   And he made, like, a swim pool with the idea that people would bat,   but because it's so hot,   the pumps and stuff, most of the time is broken and without water   or with, like, a a swamp,   and then it stink and you have mosquitoes.   So there was no consideration.  

There was no   research about the people that are there. And then there is, like, 1   like, 2   colors, 2 concrete   blocks of colors,   and it's like the color of India. And that's the people. It's just bullshit. You know? It's complete and utter bullshit.  

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I totally agree with him here   on that one. If a building isn't functional,   if it isn't beautiful, if it doesn't inspire,   if it's not a reflection of the people that live there, if it's not a reflection of the people of India, if you have some some Swiss guy, I think he was Swiss or French,   coming into designing a building, being there for 2 days, how can you reflect the people that live there? How do you reflect the land   that exists   there? So not only is it ugly,   but you come and just, like, plop your thoughts.   You know, as Soulex said in this meeting, and these are all, like, big dick projects,   all of these things.  

They're they're not functional. They're not beautiful. They're not a reflection of the people. That's demoralizing.  

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Yeah. It doesn't fit its environment.   Usually, things that are functional   are quite beautiful,   I find, anyway. So   when I see and I had to look through what this guy has built after you sent me that clip. And, yeah, I mean, I look at it, and I think that to me is awful. Like, I would not wanna live there. It certainly wouldn't be an inspiring place to be. You know, sometimes   you can be in a place, and it just makes you feel good. Like a building,   You just feel like, wow. This is an inspiring place to be. And Mhmm. Your day is instantly better because of it. Like you mentioned,   the right type of environment. Does it have shade?  

Does it have running water? Is it aesthetically pleasing? Is it functional? All the different things that you would need. And I think some of the wanky arty people   just think that, oh, okay. If I throw some straight lines and do something that's just different   Mhmm. That's our and it's like, no. That's different, and it's probably different because it's shit. And people have probably thought of it and thought, I won't do that because it's shit. So I think that's what a lot of the time it is. It's just I want to stand out. What really upsets me about modern architecture  

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is that you've taken the spirit of the people that live in a certain area away   when you design a modern architecture project that comes from, like, almost the same school of thought of of architecture.   Tourism, for instance, people like to go to different places so they can experience the food there,   the personality of the people. Art and architecture is the personality of the people living there. If I go to   Germany, I want to see German buildings. If I go to Southeast Asia, I want to see their architecture. If I go to Japan, I I want to see Japanese temples. I don't wanna see some modern architectural   monstrosity   just plopped in the middle of a Japanese village. I want to experience who these people are. And to me, you just can't do that with modern architecture.  

It's almost like you have somebody with a a lot of money, and they say, build me a building. But I don't want it to offend anybody.   You know? If if,   I think Western countries really suffer from this, that if you were to build something in Germany, oh, I want it to look gothic. I want it to be like traditional German architect. Well, why would you do that? German people, you know, this neighborhood, for instance, is made up of, you know, different ethnicities than German, so why would we shove that in their face? We have to to make something that's supposed to appeal to everyone. Mhmm. And when you make something that's supposed to appeal to everyone, it usually doesn't appeal to anyone.  

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Yeah. This is true. But I would push back on all modern architecture   being ugly. I don't think that's true at all. I do see a lot of architecture that   especially for residential,   there are some really incredible   designs   that are in no way you know, that they haven't been done before. It's I think it's the brutalist stuff that Sure. Is disliked.   You know, it's just like, here's a box.   It's got no texture.   It's got no shade. It's got nothing interesting about it. It's just a box with another box with another box, and it's harsh, and it's cold, and it's not functional.   Whereas some of the modern architecture   really is beautiful. I should have probably got some pictures.  

I'm a bit of a nerd. Like, I do like looking through   different properties and what people can do with different materials. And I think just because something is modern, don't mistake that for   brutalist.   You can have really beautiful lines. You can have nice materials, and someone can be really thoughtful about the way they design things without all the hard edges, and you can have, like Mhmm. A really nice living space.   I would probably just say separate those 2. Maybe I'll get some images.  

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It would have been really good if you had joined this conversation.   It went on   for, jeez, probably 2 hours Mhmm. Within the meshtadel. And a lot of those things were were brought up, and incentives were brought up. I think a lot of these architects, their incentive,   I'm not sure, but it isn't always to please   the people that live there or to please the people that are going to be working or living inside the building. Sure. Yeah. And Urban Hacker's point was   video game designers   and movie designers, they have to please the audience. Mhmm. You can't just have this unless you intended in some kind of arthouse film,   everything so brutalistic,   no personality,   not telling the story of the movie and the and the characters,   almost doing character development   with the scenery. He mentions Dune a lot. Mhmm. So Dune and, he brought this up for that very reason to say, like, well, not all modern architecture is ugly.  

Not even all brutalist   architecture is ugly.   You still have to have design   elements with within there. And so he brings up Dune and pictures from Dune. I'm not a big Dune nerd, but I know that they're on Arrakis, and it's a desert planet, and it's a harsh environment.   So a lot of the scenery in there is also harsh, but there's warm elements in there. There's a a big in   a big fresco   engraving on the wall in the background. And he showed all these pictures from Dune, and he made a great point. They were still beautiful. The lines were beautiful. The the big monolithic structures were still beautiful  

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because you have to please the audience. Yeah. It is, actually. I've seen the first film.  

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I didn't think it was the most interesting film, but the cinematography was pretty stunning. And lastly, one of the major points that he made was a comparison between this fountain in Vienna,   which I'm sure you've seen a lot of people were talking about it when it first came out, but it is about the ugliest thing that you've ever seen. I mean,   definitely, my 5 year old could do a better job at designing this fountain. It was, like, in a circle, all these,   deformed looking   Play Doh people   made out of clay. It was just absolutely awful. He contrasts   that to a fountain that he designed that was kind of steampunk looking, and you could pump water from one part of the fountain to another. So it involved the people physically getting involved in the fountain and it becoming a community park, and you become part of the art structures, functionality, and beauty at the same time. That dichotomy between those two pieces of art was a good example. Here's me, a video game designer,   and I want the element within the video game to be beautiful and captivating and functional. And then here's a modern art project that is absolutely hideous. Mhmm. Soulex made a great point. Look, and we're all kinda scrolling through the picture on the call, and he's like, jeez. It's like even nature has rejected this because there's bird shit everywhere and leaves all over the fountain. It wasn't even well kept. Teachers rejected this. Hello. Even nature has rejected this.  



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I'm currently scrolling through a load of architecture   that I'm going to send you. You ready for some? I'm ready. I haven't had time to crop them, so just accept that they're from Instagram.   I   literally just downloaded Instagram to go on there because I deleted it off my phone.   I send these things to my missus all the time on Instagram. Mhmm. So I'm like, one day we wanna build a house. So I just, like, take ones that I like, and then, like, oh, I like this bit. I like that bit, and then we just keep note of it. Here we are. I've just sent them to you on Telegram. I didn't have long to do this. I did this as we were saying. Beautiful. So this is my point. So if we look at the first image here, maybe we can add these into the show. Sure. Look at the first image here. Very harsh lines.   Nothing in that image you would say, oh, that's, like, traditional in any way. But because you have the textures there, you have, like, the rough wall on the left hand side. You have lots of natural light. It's very layered, so you have that mezzanine bit above, and the lighting's really beautiful.  

And you have the contrast of, like, the floor, which is very polished, and then the wall, which is very rustic. It just works. Like, it that's really beautiful, and you've got a lot of the outside inside kind of thing.   Someone would look at that and go, oh, harsh lines, and that's that's modern. I don't like it. Well, I would disagree with you. I don't think that was the I just would say I don't think that was the tone of of the talk, that all modern architecture is is ugly. I'm not talking about urban here. I'm talking about a lot of Bitcoin Twitter   who take this harsh line of all modern art is shit.  

Mhmm. You know, whatever it is, it's like it's such a harsh line of there's no understanding of actually these things can be beautiful. And just because something's new doesn't mean it's shit. What I like about this particular piece, and and this is is from somebody who is in Greece, is it looks Greek.  

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Mhmm. You have   urns   adorning the space.  

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You have, you know, that that white stucco Mhmm. That you see everywhere in Greece. It is very Greek. Yes. So it it is part of the people there, and they're modern people. They weren't frozen in time. Agreed. Yeah. It's lovely. And then the second one where you've got, again, outside in, you have the water flowing. Like, I can imagine sitting there and being extremely peaceful. Like, what a lovely place to sit. But at the same time, you've got very harsh lines, glass,   modern building techniques. There's nothing there that you would see traditionally.   Mhmm. And then this third one, again,   very modern, but   beautiful   courtyard.  

The materials are beautiful.   And the third one, the same. So, like, what I'm saying is a lot of the time, you can have these harsh lines. You can have everything being modern, but it's the textures   and the mix of materials, I think, that make the difference.   When you see just a everything is glass and everything is blocky and there's no character,   that's where it's cold and it's uninspiring.  

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And I can imagine you can actually get quite depressed living in those sort of areas. Nothing about these three pictures, and we'll we'll put do our best to put them up Yeah. Yeah. Either if you look at your phone right now or if you're using podcast 2 point o, go ahead and check out this chapter and see some of these beautiful And these might even do you know what? These might even be AI'd as well because I just very quickly did it as we were talking. But just to just to give an idea. There there's better examples, but it gives you That's something that Urban Hacker brought up on Twitter today. It was look at this AI. Even AI does it better Mhmm. Than a lot of modern architects as he compared Oh, for sure. An AI generated   building in the middle of a city, and I think he'd he'd put in, like, use wood elements and and natural   elements, so on and so forth, and then compared it to this, like, Soviet block looking kindergarten.  

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Oh, I like how you threaded that back.  

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That's why q and a likes me. Oh, and also,  

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I wanna say thank you to a listener who I don't know if I'm supposed to dox or not, so I won't be on the safe side. But they bought 2 of my original paintings,   one of 1 originals,   and they are   on their way   as of yesterday.   They are on their way to you, you special listener. So thank you, and I hope you love them. They're on their way.   I got really,   sad and autistic about packaging them. Did you really? Yeah. I went to a friend's workshop   to make sure that it was done properly, and   they were just laughing their head off at what I was doing. I used so much tape and so much packaging and then made specially made steel corners,   full on, like,   manufacturing stuff to make sure that everything would be safe. And then these paintings ended up weighing, like, probably half of me. So, yeah. Oh my god.  

Oh my god. What the fuck are you doing? Do you really need, like, reimbursed with sharing how much the shipping was? Yeah. I think he hasn't given me the invoice yet, but I think we sort of guess calculated it. It'd be about $700.   Yeah. Worth every penny. I probably could have done it a lot.  

[01:25:00] Unknown:

Custom max bit by bit art. Next question is, will you be listing more art on Ungovernable Misfits?  

[01:25:08] Unknown:

Yes. I will. I have 3 paintings that are gonna   go on there as soon as me and mister Crown have fiddled around   and done what we need to do on the website. But, yeah,   3 more paintings will be going live. One of 1 very well. Not doing prints. I've been told by every artist that I've spoken to, do prints. Do prints. It's the way you make money. Nope.   Only 1. They just don't do justice.   You can't see the depth of what I've painted. It annoys me. And as you know, if it isn't perfect, it it can just fuck off. So  

[01:25:41] Unknown:

Good thing the whole painting thing is just you in your own mind, and you can Yeah. Fiddle and, oh, I don't like that. I have to spend the next 4 hours on this one   microscopic little piece Yeah. Which is good. That's you. I mean, this this is really a representation. Back to to bring it back, it's a representation of who you are. Sad. You've described on the show a few times Sis.   No. You've described on the show a few times, I believe. So I sometimes I mix up whether you said it on the show or whether you said it to me personally   that the reason you got into art was there was something therapeutic about it. You know, you were you were depressed. You were at one of those stages in your life, and you were told to diary Mhmm. Write things down in a journal, and you decided that, well, art is going to be my journal. This is true. Yeah. And then it took over my life, and all I could think about was painting.  



[01:26:31] Unknown:

And as soon as I finished work, I would get straight home, and I would start painting. And I would paint all night until my alarm went off, and then I'd go to work again. And it just became a problem.   Work, I mean, became a problem because I was, like, you're fucking getting in the way of this shit. Mhmm. As we've spoken about recently, I am working really hard to get myself back in the studio. It feels good. I like it. It makes me feel,  

[01:26:57] Unknown:

much better, much happier. So there you go. You wanna support this team by some of Max's art. Inspire him to get back into it.   Max expresses himself through art. I express myself through labor and and work. I really enjoy that. Building things makes me happy. That's how I express myself. That's my outlet. Some of you, especially those in the Plebminer Mafia, your outlet is mining and fiddling with miners,   building special creations, making HVAC inventions.  

[01:27:26] Unknown:

Especially   Hashletter.  

[01:27:28] Unknown:

Especially Hashslut x? Hashslut   ette? Wow. Way to get me off track thinking about her. Sorry, mate.   Get your mind out of the gutter. Mine is big and small. Everybody likes to tinker and improve things. And it could be something as simple as   adjusting   frequency profiles   on aftermarket firmware, building specialty builds like like bitaxes,   building   HVAC builds to figure out how to heat your garage or your home or the like. Well, our sponsor,   Altair Technologies,   has all of the solutions   for expressing yourself   through mining.  

All tear   mining.   Altair mining.   I said Altair Mining. That works too.  

[01:28:27] Unknown:

Altair. Altair.  

[01:28:29] Unknown:

Nope. Nope. Not one time, motherfucker. Didn't say it one time.   Altair Bitcoin Mining Solutions.   They get everything you need, man. You wanna build a bit axe? They got it. You want to, a control board to tune frequencies because you're just that kind of nerd?   They got that too.   Hey. Also, you can just buy mining gear from them straight up. You don't even have to be creative. You can just buy 20 miners, throw them somewhere, crank them on, and hash away. Altair's got it all. I want to thank everyone who has been using our   coupon code,   Ungovernable,   when they order mining equipment from Altair. It is significant, and it actually helps the show quite a bit. It does. Altair has a great referral program. So we win Paid for the editing last month. It certainly did pay for the editing last month. That's how good the referral program is. So continue to use it. If you need a mining gear of any sort, check out Altair. And if you do hit that order button, be sure to look for the coupon code section and enter coupon code Ungovernable.  



[01:29:33] Unknown:

John, I heard that a lot of these,   mining suppliers are pretty racist,   and they will not supply to anywhere outside of America.   Is this the same for Altair?  

[01:29:46] Unknown:

That is not the same   for Altair. He is not a racist fuck. He will Oh, really? Yeah. He'll deliver to subhumans like those from the UK. He doesn't care.   The roaches in the UK. That's right. You want a miner? He got you. That's good to hear.   Altair,   Bitcoin mining solutions.   He will ship to subhumans.   Not like all you racist fucks. Yeah. We have the best ad reads in the biz.  

[01:30:17] Unknown:

Mhmm. And people are gonna need some more hash now after we've seen   this halving thing that everyone keeps talking about. Presumably, people are gonna wanna stack some hash, maybe upgrade some machines. There's gonna be some changes, I'd imagine. There's gonna be changes, but right now, it is pretty damn lucrative post having. I will tell you that. I will tell you that as well. I've been watching. Things are looking good. Yep. And then there's all these crime The reason that you aren't hearing a PMM episode  

[01:30:44] Unknown:

as opposed to an action news episode is because we really wanna bring you all of the post having info, and this is just too fresh it is to record an action news right now. Can I just say to any of the crying little bitches who are going, yeah, if he's so high,  

[01:31:01] Unknown:

we we need to censor, we need to censor,  

[01:31:05] Unknown:

Stack some hash?  

[01:31:07] Unknown:

You'll be fine. Stack it, baby. Mhmm. With Altair,   Bitcoin Mining Solutions,   Explosions.   Sound effects.   Alright. We did it. We somehow pivoted from art and architecture to Bitcoin mining Yes. Seamlessly As it was. And to wrap up this episode of PMM as we have since we started, we have a very special article by Charles   Francois   Bienvenu Myriel,   titled,   the people aren't as retarded as they seem.   This before I read this, when he told me this is what he's writing, I was like, well, please write that because I I think I need that in my life.   Bit of hope. Strong sense that everyone is retarded, but maybe he can convince us otherwise. Maybe. Individuals today need to understand that they find themselves in a war. Many either refuse to acknowledge it or have been unable to acknowledge the intensity and urgency.  

The Bible describes a war between good and evil, with a battle coming to a crescendo in the last days. As our society continues to break down with the breakdown of fiat money, it becomes hard not to see the world in the context of the book of Revelation.   We do not know when the world will end, and should not focus too much on that.   Our time on this world comes to an end when we die. We do not have the ability to choose that time. Instead, we are left to decide what to do between now and then.   One of the most effective tools used by individuals that want to control others is to break down their morale.   There is an entire industrial complex created in order to do this. The clergy, the intellectuals, and the media band together to shape society's minds and create an ironclad narrative.  

It is much easier to see when looking from the outside in   than to initially identify it in your own life.   Not all clergy are bad, nor teachers, or journalists,   though all of those three types of individuals are highly incentivized to represent themes that fit into the ruling classes' agendas.   It is incredibly important to deeply understand where your view of the world is coming from. Most people are impaired by getting their information from sources that are incentivized to control.   These sources lie, manipulate, and cheat.   They get exposed for it over and over, and yet the communication channels remain heavily controlled.  

Twitter, Facebook, and just about any platform that allows you to interact with other people will be manipulated and controlled in order to limit your ability to view the world.   During the lockdowns of 2020, 2021,   censorship on the social media was incredibly effective at controlling the narrative, yet 20 to 30% of the population in the US did not get vaccinated, and the lockdowns ultimately were ended because the narrative eventually fell apart. For many, the lockdowns was the first experience people had with waking up to the idea that all the world governments were controlled by people above the politicians.   The citizens had no self determination in the political process, and the extent certain individuals would go to to lie in order to retain control. One of the unfortunate aspects of human nature is that many people refuse to act or to change until they themselves are impacted negatively about something.  

Many people lack the courage to stand up to tyrants,   unless the tyrants are directly going after them.   The censorship of information surrounding the lockdowns was incredibly effective, because it isolated individuals resisting their policies and limited their reach.   Many individuals never got the chance to hear any criticisms of the lockdown, because their dissenting voices were banned,   harassed, fired, or ridiculed.   Despite having a limited reach, the dissenters had an asymmetric advantage over the people seeking to silence them, because often, they had truth on their side.   The people attempting to shut down society were not remotely close to the truth.  

Many thought that compliance was the easier road to take, but fortunately, a small minority of people had the courage to resist   and prevent the rollout of digital IDs,   severe travel restrictions,   government digital currencies, and social credit scores,   at least for the time being.   Compliance would not have been easier road to take because it would have meant a permanent departure from any semblance of sanity to a world completely rooted in totalitarian control.   In the same way, today, it's the same people are still in control of the world. Compliance with their evil decrees is not the easier way out.   It is important to celebrate major victories when we have them.  

The fact that we have Bitcoin   are still not locked down for the time being,   and the world has not ended due to global war are major victories.   The larger war is still being fought, and it is vital not to rest on our laurels despite the current lower level of intensity.   It is easy to get discouraged to lose faith in the people around you. The reality is that most of them still need to see and hear consistent differing opinions in order to be changed.   A good portion of the population has decided to not have a will for themselves   and will shift depending on what appears to be the most opportune to follow.  

It can be easy to dismiss them as weak or cowardly,   which many of them are.   The reality is that all place different values in different things, and many people choose perceived safety and survival above all else.   It's part of the default settings in the human brain that the controllers know how to effectively take advantage of.   This default setting does not mean that things are hopeless,   or that those people are retarded.   All throughout human history, intolerant minorities have determined the outcomes of history.   We find ourselves in a position of incredible privilege for living during a time where things have the ability to dramatically change, meaning, we can have an outsized impact on human history.  

My hope is that you will be invigorated by this and be filled with a sense of urgency to follow a higher calling.   Causing individuals to lose faith in humanity   is one of the most effective ways to get them to stop resisting effectively.   The reality is that humanity was never lost.   There's always been a battle between individuals trying to control and individuals seeking freedom.   The individuals seeking control are the ones incentivized to start conflict, and the individuals seeking freedom tend to be passive until they can't be anymore.   If humanity were lost, the true proper response would be hedonism   and nihilism,   because nothing ever mattered anyways.  

While it is tempting to lose faith in humanity, there is no time or room for self pity.   The reality is that inside all of us, there is a deep desire to be free.   That is why the controllers work so hard to break that desire with public education,   dopamine   raising, social media products,   soul crushing news media, lifeless movies, and other forms of media.   What we are dealing with is what Alec Jones famously refers to as an information war.   Individuals cannot respond effectively to the world around them, unless they are adequately informed of what's happening.   Circulating helpful information, finding ways to improve morale, shifting perceptions of who is actually winning is important.  

If our perception of the people around us   is that they are retarded,   it will likely come true, and we will only feed into that reality.   If we are optimistic and open minded, we will find ourselves meeting like minded people who will encourage us in these trying times.   Roger Ver is a great example of this.   He claims that Bitcoin is hijacked because it did not change the way he had hoped it would, after his cabal of businesses sought to institute changes to the protocol.   Now him and the individuals he was close to, such as Jeffrey Tucker, think that Bitcoin is hopeless,   and only about number go up.  

The reality is that Bitcoin has grown much bigger than the small echo chamber it was before 2017.   Individuals around the world are experiencing immense freedom that is not possible without it.   Yet, there is a large segment of Bitcoin users that do not value freedom,   separation of money and state. But that is not necessarily the overarching   reality of what is happening here.   What we are seeing is that different people have entirely different experiences because of the decisions that they are making or how to view the world.   The reality has always been that if Bitcoin were to do something meaningful of a global scale outside of being magic Internet money for hobbyists and ideologues like us, it would grow and change in ways we might not appreciate or agree with.  

But we, as individuals, have the ability to choose how to use technology without it being a reflection on the technology itself.   When a top population chooses not to listen to the authorities,   there is little they can do. Defeating lockdown and vaccine mandate policies was a major victory.   Now it's time to turn our attention to slaying the larger beast instead of just seeking to influence the beast's policies.   This is a very important distinction in tactics.   Civil dose obedience is starting from a place of believing that the government is legitimate,   but they may be participating in illegitimate behavior that needs to be corrected through defiance.  

Being ungovernable   is starting from the assumption that idiot pedophiles in Washington or elsewhere do not have a legitimate claim to tell you how to live.   Market incentives are an incredibly important concept to understand.   If things are profitable, people will do it.   People do not successfully mine Bitcoin because it makes sense ideologically.   No. They mine Bitcoin because they are selfish, and it is profitable.   Relying on ideology   as a security feature for a monetary system would be retarded. And fortunately, Satoshi   was not retarded in the way he built the economics of Bitcoin.  

All over the world, in the largest companies, there are individuals dodging taxes,   avoiding sanctions, defrauding customs, and laundering money.   There is only an illusion of government control over the economy. The reality is that there are clear incentives not to cooperate with the pillagers, who believe that they have the moral authority to steal from you.   The only thing the pillagers have on their side is the perception of cooperation,   authority, and general compliance, in the same way a bank cannot stay solvent if the customers believe it to be insolvent. A government cannot maintain control of the people lose faith in its ability to maintain order. The market incentives for compliance are crumbling.   There are 700,000   full time law enforcers living in the United States, which has a   334,000,000   people.  

Supposedly, if you have faith in the government can act the account.   That is point 2% of the population set to enforce rules on the entire population.   The only way they can be successful is that the people comply.   Even the slightest bist of disregard for their authority renders them pretty useless to stop anything.   This is why perception is everything.   All around us, people are coming to the same or similar conclusions about the world that we are. They are finding their way to a place of frustration,   disillusionment,   and action.  

We have the ability to take advantage of the market demand for freedom.   We can either become frustrated and decry the woes of the world, or we can build products and services that cater to uplifting the human spirit and rehabilitating   people's sense of self worth.   The controllers want you to fail.   The controllers want you to fall into despair.   They seek to break you down and to demoralize you. The reality is as though that we have the ability to do the same to them.   We can undermine their perceived authority by telling truth about what they're doing, but also by providing legitimate alternatives.   There will be a tax strike, because people cannot afford to pay them anymore,   and no longer feel obligated to because they can clearly see how illegitimate the US government is.  

Supposedly, 60% of eligible people voted in the 2020 election,   l o l.   A good portion of the 40% that did not vote, did not vote because they did not believe in the election.   These are likely made up numbers anyway, just like the rest of the government numbers.   Never in my life have I encountered so many people organically that realized that voting is not a solution.   The white pill, after realizing the horrors and evil in the world, is the idea   state of man is free.   Slavery is unnatural.   People were born free and are meant to be free.   It's okay to be bearish for the average person who does not have the courage to do anything about their situation.  

But to become bearish on yourself,   when you have a working brain and the ability to take action to respond to a changing world is silly.   To give up on humanity,   declaring the people retarded is ultimately to give up on yourself.   It can feel isolating at times, and you will become discouraged in the future.   We are in a war   and in wars.   Momentum or perceived momentum will switch back and   forth. If you remove demoralizing   influences and allow yourself to see the good in the world,   your whole perspective   will change.  

[01:44:00] Unknown:

Wow.   So basically,   it's not me, it's them, and everybody's retarded.  

[01:44:09] Unknown:

Should I read it again?   Yeah. Why not? It's a quick one, isn't it? Yeah. Just a just a hop, skip, and a jump. No problem. So everyone  

[01:44:19] Unknown:

isn't retarded,   and we should Yeah.   We should think positively   because otherwise, they've effectively won by letting us think that we've lost. That puts us in the wrong frame of mind. So we need to be we need to think differently. That's what I get from that. I would tend to agree with you. That feels weird.   I would tend to agree with you. I'm like, hang on a minute. Aren't you supposed to attack me somewhere? Expecting a little bit more pushback, but that's fine. Okay. That's fine. That's fine.   I'm gonna have to clip that little That's fine. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we need that on the soundboard. Well, I have it, but I I don't think I can, like, go to the specific Okay. That's fine. Have to play the whole thing. Oh, that's fine.  

[01:45:06] Unknown:

Well, Ungovernable Misfits, meshtadelians,   pleb minor mafioso,   or just plain old plebs,   we know for sure that you are not retarded.   And thank you for once again tuning in to PMM   on Ungovernable Misfits.   Maximilian   von Bittenstein,   it has been a pleasure recording with you today. Do you like how I just left that empty and didn't reciprocate?  

[01:45:29] Unknown:

Okay. That's fine. It's nothing. Okay. That's fine. Always lovely speaking to you, John. I really appreciate you coming on the show every month, dealing with me,   putting these show notes together,   reading all the things that I can't read,   just generally being a stand up guy. So thank you, and thank you to your parents for creating something so wonderful.  

[01:45:50] Unknown:

Okay, friend. Alright, you cunt. I'll speak to you later. Bye. That's fine. Okay. Goodbye. Palladium, Promethium, Potassium, Polonium, Tantalum, Technicium, Titanium, Talodiium,   and Cadmium, and Calcium, and Chromium, and Curium.   There is sulfur californium and fermium, berykelium and also mandolivium, iStannium, and nobelium, and argon, tungsten,   and sodium.   These are the only ones of which the news has come to Harvard.   And there may be many others, but they haven't been discovered.