In this episode of Ungovernable Misfits: PMM, Max & Jon discuss the world of raw milk, exploring its history, benefits, and the controversies surrounding its consumption. Max & Jon begin by discussing the Yamnaya people and their influence on European lactose tolerance, highlighting how pastoral societies have historically consumed raw milk. The conversation shifts to the industrial revolution and the introduction of pasteurization, driven by public health concerns and industrial interests. Max & Jon explore the arguments for and against raw milk, considering the nutritional benefits and potential risks such as E. coli and Listeria. The episode also touches on the cultural and economic implications of choosing raw milk over pasteurized options, encouraging listeners to connect with local farmers and consider the broader impact of their food choices. Throughout the discussion, Max & Jon reflect on the balance between tradition and modernity in our dietary habits, questioning the necessity of sterile food environments and advocating for a return to more natural, community-based food systems.
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(00:00:00) We're Square Body Guys
(00:04:28) Thanking the Big Ballers
(00:29:49) Raw Milk Talk Commences
(00:31:55) The History of Lactose Tolerance and Pastoral Cultures
(00:39:26) The Rise of Pasteurization and Industrial Dairy
(00:45:44) Fear and Propaganda in the Crossroads
(00:49:33) Potential Fears of Raw Milk
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(01:12:40) Raw Milk > Pasteurized Milk DYOR
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Unknown:
Sending you something that Americans I don't think you've actually built this because it'd be too cool for you to build, but if you did, I'd probably buy one. Okay. Just sent it to you on Telegram. Hey. I want to insult you real quick. No. It's kind of nice. You see it?
[00:00:18] Unknown:
Woah. Oh, that's, yeah. You know, my buddy, Andy, he's a square body guy. He's got a square body, 70, 79 square body, a 10 Blazer. He'd love that. I give a 17. Cool. I used to have a 77 f 150 high boy, you know, which is very similar to that, very square. And, my favorite iteration of that is the freewheeling edition, which has that like, it's it's like that brown and yellow that burnt orange very sound easy booking style. I didn't get that sent you pictures. Yeah. Like when I wanted to get a, since we're recording I'll not reveal this, but I wanted to get a logo for my my company. And, Crown said he'd he'd help me out with that. So I sent him these pictures of freewheeling stuff, and he couldn't land with
[00:01:07] Unknown:
it. Well, anyway, they're not gonna make that truck. I don't think. I think it's just like a concept, but it's fucking cool. It's too cool to make. Too cool to make. You always look at concept vehicles, and you're like, that is sick. I would buy that. And they're like, okay. Cool. We'll make something much shitter than that. Yeah.
[00:01:25] Unknown:
You can see over the years, like, with the new Ford Bronco, they took it from concept to production and didn't make it lame.
[00:01:34] Unknown:
You get them every once in a while. Yeah. That looked pretty cool, actually. I've been looking at vans, and I've been looking at because I always had transporters, and I was looking again. I was like, because I had a t 5. I was like, oh, maybe I'll get a t 6. I was reading through all the reviews and stuff. I like to go on PistonHeads. I don't know if you have that in America, but it's like a forum proper gear heavy type people, and they, like, really nerd out. They're like Bitcoiners, but when it comes to, like, cars. And so I was reading through all the forums of, like, what engines would be more reliable and everything. And, basically, the general consensus on there was go for a t 5, not a t 6.
If you go for a t 6, you're gonna have to undo all the electric and eco fuckery that causes all these problems. It's like list of problems like EGR valve going AdBlue causing all these issues. So then people are, like, taking them to garages to have this AdBlue delete and then have them shipped in a certain way that, like, deletes all of this fucking eco gay shit that you have to have to get into the cities without getting raped on all the fines and taxes and shit. Mhmm. And I was like, I'll just buy an old one then because why would I wanna buy a newer one to then go and spend, like, 100 or 1,000 of pounds to delete a load of shit? It baffles the mind. Buy the older one because the older one's more reliable than the new one. Yeah. You know, like my truck for instance, it probably has about 4 or $5,000
[00:03:04] Unknown:
worth of exhaust doodads on it. Or I could just delete that, get more power, get better fuel economy, you know, have a little fancy computer on there that deleted the def system and and bypassed it. And I can go faster, get better fuel mileage, and roll coal. Just black smoke rolling out everywhere. There's nothing more badass than that.
[00:03:27] Unknown:
Fuck you, environment. Rolling coal. Should we rebrand and have, like, a a motor show?
[00:03:37] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. Fuck all this Bitcoin bullshit.
[00:03:41] Unknown:
What's the point in there if you can't buy cars anyway? Yeah.
[00:03:45] Unknown:
That's hey. We're all for n g u. Right? So we're just gonna go to full on PodConf and just talk about cars
[00:03:53] Unknown:
and n g u. We're not doing PodConf properly though because we're talking about trucks and vans. I know. That's not proper PodCon. They're not like, oh, yeah. I wanna get a Volkswagen Transporter or a dirty old diesel van for lugging shit up and downhills. There'd be more about, like, something, like, sexy and sleek and cool that they can pull up outside of nightclubs and, like, pay hookers to jump in with them. That kind of stuff. Yeah. PodConf is purely Lambo.
[00:04:25] Unknown:
Mhmm. That's what we're all in it for, the Lambos. Mhmm. Hey. I wanna start this episode of PMM off by thanking all of the boulder boosts. You had a specific episode that thanked all of the boulder boosts, but I wanted to give a chance to thank them as well and to remind everybody as who our Baldr boosts are. It's, apemath reindeer, Chet, we all eat.
[00:04:49] Unknown:
Venemaner. My little hurricane torn barn miner. His little Billy Groot's gruff beard is all blown away in the wind. Is he holding on with his hooves? I can't imagine he has much traction with those things.
[00:05:03] Unknown:
Sure. Remain the only one. Seen those those, what are they called In Iran.
[00:05:07] Unknown:
The Ibis, is what they're called? Yeah. That's a different type of skill because they're stopping themselves from falling vertically. Oh. They're, like, going up the side of a mountain. This is a gust of wind that would take you up. We'll have to ask him about that. Yeah. The the physics of a goat's hooves in the wind.
[00:05:27] Unknown:
Another baller boost is Kaboomrax Alex, late stage huddle Sollex, and our beautiful blue boobed, blonde haired Smurf Hashlaudette. Whoever you are, my sweet dear. I've got such a crush on you. It's it's embarrassing.
[00:05:44] Unknown:
Zara is very jealous. I bet she is. I'm lucky because my missus doesn't listen to the show, so she doesn't get to hear me swooning over the the blue boobs.
[00:05:54] Unknown:
Each one of these people has contributed to the privacy and self sovereignty community, the mining community, the Ungovernable Misfits team for a really long time. Vapemithra Undir has to be one of the OG boosters on Ungovernable Misfits, for sure. Definitely. And when you see the things that he does within the community, helping people on Sparrow Wallet channel, always answering questions there, he's a very giving person. The personality of all of these people, they're all very giving. Chet, of course, has contributed to ungovernable misfits in the Pleb minor space since the very beginning, Brian Minor.
That goes without saying, Alex, if people don't remember, he was one of the original sponsors of our Pleb minor monthly show. Out of his own pockets as well. Mhmm. Yeah. Helped us give away machines.
[00:06:42] Unknown:
He's, I would say he's the second best miner gear salesman.
[00:06:47] Unknown:
Very well. We won't mention who number 1 is. Won't we? Yeah. We probably will later on in the show. We'll get that over with. Late stage Huddl, he's more anonymous on fountain, but he's around under other names. And if I were to tell you his name, then you realize that he was he's been a part of this for a long time as well. Souleks, the father of the meshdadel, has given me so much inspiration in life, giving me deeper meaning in life, so much so that I named a cow after him. And now that I've eaten that entire cow, I feel like SolEx is a part of me. Is that weird? It's quite nice.
Alright. I thought you're gonna chalk that up to being really weird. When we have these PMM shows, we mention a lot of people. A big part of the PMM show is the social group that we're building around, these people that are in the Ungovernable Misfits periphery. So it's important for new listeners to understand that these cast of characters aren't just, like, personalities. They're they're actual friends and other mesh to delians. They're they're nodes within the mesh to del. So we not only thank all of the baller boosts that are nodes within the mesh to del, but all of our other extended mesh to del nodes. And you too can be a baller boost if you're willing to donate in some form or another 1,000,000 sats or more. So there's there's hope for others to add their names to this list.
[00:08:11] Unknown:
Oh, we got a few who, we've got our eye on who are very close. I hope to get there one day. Someone was asking me, because obviously, we accept Lightning, On Chain, Pay NIM, Monero. What's the new one? Motherfucker.
[00:08:29] Unknown:
Oh, Ethereum.
[00:08:35] Unknown:
There's so many different names. I'm gonna have to look it up now, and it's thrown me off now.
[00:08:42] Unknown:
Oh, I wish I had my are you a shitcoiner theme
[00:08:45] Unknown:
queued up. Why does my brain not function properly anymore, mate? I suppose it doesn't matter.
[00:08:54] Unknown:
There was probably a shitcoin anyhow. It it actually wasn't. Cash, silver, gold? Perhaps people are gonna pay you in meat or raw milk.
[00:09:05] Unknown:
I would know. I was get I was getting somewhere with this. We take all these different types of donation, but someone sent a new request asking, do I have a PO box? Because they wanted to send me cash and hobnob biscuit supplies.
[00:09:20] Unknown:
What the fuck does that mean?
[00:09:23] Unknown:
Should I know what a hobnob is? I would consider hobnobbing being, associating with people. Like schmoozing or Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a type of biscuit.
[00:09:34] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. And so you would have tea with somebody and and eat these biscuits?
[00:09:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Generally. You'd have like a do you do that in America? You have you you I have, like, cookies, you probably call them. I love when you do American cookies. It's true though. That's I bet that's what you call them. Cookies. Do you want a cookie with your tea? Do you? I don't even have tea. Yeah. I have a cookie with your hat. Melty. Drink with sugar in it. Coffee. You'd have coffee and donuts. Coffee and donuts. Oh, that's quite nice. It's quite a nice combo. You're always trying to fag us up, and you're gonna lose every time, pal. No. You are more fagggy. The only cool thing you guys have is you used to make proper cars. They were shit, but they were, like, quite manly. Mhmm. And you can, in most places, carry guns and, like, defend your family, and that's cool. And, like, the police won't come and arrest you for, like, sending a tweet. So, like, all of those things are pretty cool, but generally, you are more faggot than the British.
Less tough. Yeah. Right.
[00:10:32] Unknown:
First first person that's ever tried to cast that dispersion upon us. Whatever you gotta do to cope, pal. How how about we get on with this show? Yeah. Go ahead, dear. Alright.
[00:10:46] Unknown:
For your safety. Big pharma, big banks, income tax, VAT, the Illuminati elite, cultural Marxism, critical theory.
[00:11:03] Unknown:
As all of these news stories come about about Diddy parties and Epstein client lists finally getting released if, elections go a certain way in the United States. Mhmm. I think our song really, really holds up well in all of the, enemies that we've named. Hollywood pedophiles. The Hollywood pedophiles. It does hold up. They're shining a light on the Hollywood pedophiles. They won't. They shine just enough light to get rid of the the low level people, and then the high level people continue to do whatever the hell they want to do. Yeah. I wonder what's gonna happen with the I do see that rumor that that who's the fucking retard who blew up that exchange
[00:11:55] Unknown:
a year, a year and a half ago? Sam Bankman. Sam Bankman Fried. Sam Bankman Fried. It's probably just people fucking around, but they're like, oh, Diddy's sharing a jail cell with him. Yeah. I was thinking, surely not. Surely, they have their own cell. But then I was thinking, oh my god. Poor guy.
[00:12:14] Unknown:
Yeah. They they wanna be in, but They save money on bed sheets. They can probably hang them both with the same bedsheet. That's true. That's the only thing the government's efficient at. Mhmm. Suiciding people. Suiciding. Yeah. They're very good at that. Not so good at covering it up well, though. No. Trail of breadcrumbs everywhere they go. And then sometimes they place the breadcrumbs so you can go into cookie crumbs. You can go into the little dark corners and get distracted by arguing with people on the Internet, and then they get to do whatever they are going to do. Good point. In this episode of PMM, we have pasteurized milk is malnutrition.
We're going to talk about raw milk, the history of milk in general. We're gonna get deep into some bronze age and iron age history. Are you super excited about that? Yeah. The listeners are gonna lap it up. Yeah. Oh, like little kittens. Preserving marinated meat. Our little bang miner and his jerky side gig. We're gonna find out why and how he does it, and that the fact that he's he donates a portion of those proceeds to causes he believes in.
[00:13:27] Unknown:
Did you know that? I did not know that, actually. It doesn't surprise me, though. No. Such a caring little goat. He sure is. He just cuddle right up to you with his little weird keyhole eyes.
[00:13:40] Unknown:
What? Keyhole eyes? Yeah. The goats have those little strange eyes.
[00:13:46] Unknown:
I've not really I've not really paid enough attention to them. You've never stared a goat in the eye. I don't think I have.
[00:13:53] Unknown:
We're going to talk about producers, mesh to del marketing, and potential strategies for plebs who are attempting to sell things like barn jerky and Otis Coffee or one off productions of things. How the hell can they get around the fact that they don't know how much to produce, how much inventory to hold? We've hinted at this. We're gonna go deeper into that conversation. Our friend Bubba is gonna have a philosopher's pit stop, a minstrel's musings. We're going to cover one of Bubba's sayings every PMM episode. I think you could have one of Bubba's sayings, and we can have an entire hour long conversation about that saying. It's not vaginal blood fat, is it? No. It's not. It's actually relatively clean.
I listened back to that episode and was, like, just a little skeeved out that we said it so much, but you said it was such vigor. I do things properly, mate. You've made that a part of your vernacular? Yes. Very much so. Congratulations. Thanks, Bubba. We're gonna have permaculture practitioners mastering more than the material. We'll have a very brief review of the 8 forms of capital, which we've spoken about before that we were turned on to that concept But Carl from Carl's Corner. Crazy Carl from Carl's Corner likes to talk about the eight forms of capital. But we're gonna focus on social capital because that's what I think the PMM show does very well.
And we're gonna end the show with a, the PMM mission to build meaningful relationships
[00:15:21] Unknown:
like the one we have, Max. It means a lot. Yeah.
[00:15:27] Unknown:
You you had to think of something. What can I say about John claiming we have a meaningful relationship? But first, we will review our podcasting 2.0 boosts, and let everybody know what kind of meaningful relationship we have with our boosters. First up is with 100,000 sats. This is what a banger this episode. Thank you both for the excellent job. I'm with Max on the COVID experience. You truly opened my eyes and made my belief in Bitcoin solidified. Unfortunately, I lost my dad right at the beginning of it, and it wasn't able to fly to his funeral. That's fucked up. Yeah. That's fucking And right at that moment, everything changed for me. I was blessed with a child, took the responsibility of a mortgage, and protected my family. First test was to convince my wife not to take the vaccine in order to go back to work.
Luckily, she did listen. Thanks to podcasts like yours, no agenda show, and a few others that my path is not uncertain anymore. Much love and appreciate from chop shop chop show chop shop, I think he meant to say, from the chop shop in Miami. And he says, fuck fountain app. I've been hearing a lot of this lately. Force me to split the boosts into 2. Is there a limit after 100,000 sats? Anyway, lovely episode. Thanks again for your efforts.
[00:16:43] Unknown:
That's cool when you've touched someone's life like that. That's a nice thing to hear. Yeah. Ray's a really good guy. Very, very happy that, you've convinced your wife not to have the vaccine. You fought against it. It's good to hear. It wasn't easy.
[00:17:00] Unknown:
Yeah. I hear a lot of these stories that that, I didn't take it, but my wife did because of work. It's one thing for people to have these personas, you know, the the real hard asses. But if you can't apply that to your own family, then you're just a keyboard warrior.
[00:17:14] Unknown:
My missus is working at the time. I went to talk to what industry, but she was asked every single day, like, literally every single day because it wasn't just the people that she was working for. It's everyone else that she's working with. I think she was the only person who didn't, and everyone else would ask and stuff and, like, not not necessarily be, like, horrible about it, but, like, there was definitely an undertone of, like Well, that's good. She has somebody to come home to and and lean on. Yeah. She could depend on you for support in that. Exactly. But at the same time, like, I wanted to go in and just, like, call everyone a company and be like, you fuck off, but you can't always behave like that.
[00:17:55] Unknown:
Oh, you don't say. It's like,
[00:17:59] Unknown:
you know, we might, but it doesn't always, work for other people's careers particularly well. So I think a lot of people went through it and, like, pressure from families and if you're having kids around the same sort of time as it was going on, all the pressure from moms. Every time we went into a hospital, family members, and, like, basically saying, like, if you don't do it, you're putting your your child at risk, and that's a terrible thing. You know, all this kind of stuff, and it's just like getting through that with conviction and then also not completely destroying the friendships and relationships with the people around you who are otherwise good people is, challenging. So, well, don't forget him through it, mate.
Rod Palmer. Still feeling FOMO from missing Lake Satoshi. Good. You should feel the FOMO, pal. Yeah. You should. You fucking bitch. Don't mess it up next time. You didn't turn up. How dare you. Black coffee. The Charles Muriel article is a flipping banger. It was. That article touched a lot of people. That was a really good one. That was that was my favorite one, I think. Mhmm. There was a build up to it. There's quality. Like Satoshi, I would like all of my sats go towards Chet's boosting being read in a fat fuck subway guy voice. From now on, the resemblance is uncanny. What? Is he saying the resemblance of Chet and the fat fuck guys is fucking funny? Yeah.
[00:19:27] Unknown:
Mhmm. Oh. Very rude. Like, Satoshi. Very rude as well. Mhmm.
[00:19:34] Unknown:
Is it true, though? Is it fair? No. Is it reasonable? Chet's quite fit. Well, he quite often says that he's a fat fuck. Oh, he's just saying that. Mhmm. Okay. Late stage huddle. Hashtag who is Hash Latette.
[00:19:50] Unknown:
Wish I knew. Wouldn't he like to know? Yeah. Wouldn't we all like to know? Well, Chet knows that fat fuck. He knows. Mhmm.
[00:19:58] Unknown:
Soulex, sunshine up, and an atom.
[00:20:04] Unknown:
Mhmm. Alright. We're up. Okay.
[00:20:07] Unknown:
Fundamentals. I've been asking what a gander is for a very long time. A decade of gander equality and gander reveal parties got me nowhere on my quest. Powerful. He's a weird guy. Yeah. Yeah. Jumped on a call with him yesterday. It was good fun. Yeah. And then that episode will air before this one does. So hope everybody enjoyed getting to fundamentals a little better. Yeah. Actually won't. This one's gonna go out first. Oh, okay. Oscar Mary is gonna go out. Oh, yeah. Then it's gonna be this one, then it's gonna be that one. Okay.
[00:20:43] Unknown:
Thanks for letting me know the schedule of the show because I can't keep track.
[00:20:48] Unknown:
Not a good eye. John answered a long held question I've had, and I can finally pursue more productive quests. Oh, I'm sure it's gonna be very productive
[00:20:59] Unknown:
fundamentals
[00:21:00] Unknown:
Yeah. With the quests. Like he says, he's gone to all these gander reveal parties, and it hasn't got him anywhere. Just, feathers come out.
[00:21:07] Unknown:
Next up on fountain boosts is Chet We All Eat. And since we were paid to read this boost in the fat fuck subway guy voice, I am going to do just that.
[00:21:21] Unknown:
Bitcoin is a way of life. Great episode, fellas. Nothing will ever compare to the Mastodon community cult that's been curated. Raw milk with 5 whiskeys, y'all, will be docking up fags. Good article. And, John, you read it so homo. Erotically, I feel the tears rolling down Max's face, LMFAO.
[00:21:50] Unknown:
It's actually quite fitting. I think Lake Satoshi's really come on to something. He's so ahead of the game. That was brilliant. Thank you, Chet, and thank you Lake Satoshi for setting that up. Next up is Shadrach. He says pray and love. We do just that and pray and love to you too, Shadrach. Bubba, think of Lake Satoshi event and having many types of events around the world. Selling your wares at these events like Mesh Dadel Farmers Market or a Flea Market or something like that. Lovely show chaps, cigarette, whiskey, fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. So, Max, now you're getting healthy. That's great. But now you wake up on a pool of piss. So I'd say you're breaking even. It keeps happening as well.
I still do nothing except getting closer to death. I wake up dry as a bone. So I think I'm breaking even, cowboy, cigarette, whiskey, cactus, skull, and crossbones. Is he saying because he doesn't wake up in a pool of piss that he's good to go now even though he's old? Yeah. He's doing better than me, isn't he, really? He's having the whiskeys and cigarettes, and he's enjoying life.
[00:22:54] Unknown:
But he's still evading, waking up in a pool of piss. And I'm trying to be healthy even though I haven't gone to the gym this week at all. I've just literally edited and fixed notes. I'm trying to be healthy, but I still wake up in a pool of piss every morning. Not your own. Not your own, everybody. Not my own. Not yet. That's a few years away. 8 Mithrandir. Charles Muriel is pretty based. Yeah. Not pretty based. He's very based. Wartime. Orange heart, orange heart, orange heart, orange heart. Not to be confused with warm orange tart.
[00:23:32] Unknown:
Very good. Wow. Yeah. What a wordsmith.
[00:23:35] Unknown:
Mister mister, same question again. Yeah. Hashtag who is hashtag air. Mhmm. Bon. That country list is quite exclusive. What country list? You don't remember. I was trying to think. That country list is quite exclusive. People who you consider cuntty? Consider most people cuntty. Not a lot. Yeah. Including myself. Yeah. Rev Huddl. Bitcoin meetups are the seed from seed that from which mesh todels put down roots and grow flowers, cross pollinating with other meetups nearby. Go to your local meetup, bring something to sell, stack KYC free sats, and provide value to the Bitcoin community, all while building powerful relationships.
[00:24:26] Unknown:
That's lovely. That's very good advice. Yeah. We don't even need to record the rest of the show. He so succinctly put in Yeah. Pretty much everything that we're going to talk about on the rest of the show. So let's wrap it up. Cross pollinating,
[00:24:41] Unknown:
seeds from which meshchezels grow roots. I love it. Yeah. It's all there. And it is the best way if you can go and, sell some goods or services for some sats. Nothing better than that. That's the best. Circular pleb economy. It's like being in the room with SolEx.
[00:24:58] Unknown:
Brother Abel, basic instructions before leaving Earth. Now we know, and I'm gonna say it like that every time. Another excellent episode. Charles Muriel's writing was excellent, and his caution that the media is dishonest is sage advice. Well, you don't say. A rule that served me well is to only believe credentialed journalists who report for the bugle in a thermodynamic manner. It hasn't steered me wrong yet. I agree. Palmer and Greaser, they're credentialed. So everything they say is legit. The low point of COVID for me was seeing followers of Christ snitching on pastors and priests, having police arrest and shut down churches. Gay. Being so brainwashed, they actually thought what they were doing was right. I've forgiven, but I will never forget. That's so godly and nice to forgive that kind of behavior.
I like to keep the hatred in my heart for individuals like that. Yeah. Sure. I understand, but it's it is not very Christ like. So I understand what brother Abel is is trying to do. Did you hear there's a story recently, and I I can't recall what jurisdiction it was in. It might be Minnesota under, governor tampon Tim. They had a a a call center set up. Or they had a a see something, say something hotline set up from the government. Like, if you see people, you know, gathering in groups of 5 people or more or doing church Fuck. Activities, please call this number up. Well, because it was a government sanctioned thing, it's, susceptible to FOIA requests, the freedom of information act requests. So people FOIA'd this hotline number, and they got all of the information of all the snitches.
[00:26:36] Unknown:
Oh, that's nice. Snitches get stitches.
[00:26:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Or they they should at least be publicly shamed.
[00:26:44] Unknown:
At very least. I tried to, send you a little video of tampontim because I didn't know who he was, and then it came up in my feed. And I was like, oh, this is the guy. But for some reason, you couldn't see it. It was it was him It was a tweet with the leader. Well, I'm not surprised because it was him in, like, a little latex thing, like dancing with his belly hanging out, dancing to Beyonce in a hallway somewhere. I'm sure it's It was like Tim Waltz. I was like, this is the guy John was talking about that loves tampons in men's bathrooms. This is very fitting. This looks like this would be the guy Something that liters. Yeah. It's very weird. They've quite a good belly as well. It probably wasn't him, but you could you could assume that he would do something like that, and that's good enough.
FOMO Metronic. He's on, like, a bullet point list of different smileys, it looks like? That's how I'm reading it. I do the bullet points. The bullet points mean just means that there were multiple fountain boosts spread out, and I just put them in one place for your convenience. Oh, thank you. That's very good of you. Mhmm. 1 is a smiley face. Next one is a smiley face. And one I'm guessing is a winky smiley face. Yeah. That that are a tear.
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It's a crying. Like a tear drop? FOMOmitronic?
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Did we make you cry? Well, don't you Americans like to have, like, the tear drop for each kill you have under your tear duct? Maybe he's, like, hinting at a kill. Oh, man. Wow. What a badass. Or that the show was killer. Sure. That's what it means. We'll set it as that. Thanks, mate. Blizzard. V four v, if everyone pitches in even a 100 sats, the v four v model is unbeatable. But We love Yeah. I'd prefer they pitch in more more than a 100 sats. I'm just saying. Yeah. But because he's because he's saying all the millions of listeners that we have, a 100 sats. Oh, sure. Right. Mhmm. With each of them. Millions and millions of listeners.
Pies. I think I'm finally back on my g's. App seems to be working now, and I created a new account. Boyaka boyaka, beers, mushroom, strong-arm, punch you in the face. Yeah. Thanks, Pies. B, went dark for now on Telegram a little bit ago, and I didn't have a way to express my gratitude for Charles Muriel article. So finally draining my fountain wallet, his words came right as I needed to hear them. Really had some impact, Charles Mariel.
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I think this is gonna make Charles Mariel very happy. I'm I'm sure he's read through the boosts. Right? I at least hope that he's read through the boosts to understand how how impactful that last article was. And and as I mentioned before, it's a buildup. I think I would consider that a series of articles, and I may maybe I'll record me reading all of the articles in order. It builds up to that. It starts with the demoralization techniques, and then it wraps up with, you know, how can you make a connection with other human beings to heal your soul. Great writer.
He sure is. Next on On Governmental Misfits PMM, we are going to talk about milk. This could be an absolutely fascinating conversation. Can't it, Max? Yeah. And I'm mainly thinking about the GIF, if I'm honest. Is this the GIF where the girl is, having her hair pulled back and another girl is
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making her drink milk? No. That's not a bad one. It's the one that I send you quite often. It's the one where there's that, like, Latina girl and, like, cowboy stuff, and then she's, like, milking a cow. There's, like, a money shot sort of thing. I've said it to you so many times. Yeah. You have. I'm sure there'll be a gift now. Yeah. Lincoln Park rules is on it. Yes.
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He loves it. I recently got a raw milk dealer, as we've mentioned in a in a show before. I'm gonna share some of those details of of how I came about that dealer and the relationship that I have with them. It's something that I've been pursuing for a long time, and I forget who asked me. Maybe my dad asked me, like, you know, what are you what are you drinking raw milk for? What's that for? What's wrong with pasteurized milk? You're gonna get sick. You're drinking raw milk. You're already coming up with something stupid to do. He wishes he never fucking asked, didn't he? Oh, you know, he'll ask me just to troll me. He said, well, dad, here's a PowerPoint presentation I made earlier. Yeah. And then he then he trails off. I mean, I could go off for half an hour why I think raw milk is is a good thing to consume. He he spaced out somewhere. He trolled me. He insulted me. He's done. He he gets to let space out now. Mhmm. That's all he's really going for. Yeah. I like it. To me, raw milk, there's a there's a sovereignty play there as well as the health benefits.
You know? Being ungovernable, you tell me I can't do something. Okay. Why? First of all, and then I'm going to do it anyway.
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Do not send me your largest UTXO, John. Ain't gonna be much, pal. 12 sats. Do not send it to me. Alright.
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I'm a show you. You son of a bitch. Humans have been drinking milk for a very long time. Those of us who are of European descent, it is said that we tend to be more lactose tolerant than other genetic groups of people. And the reason being is the Yamnaya people. Have you heard of the Yamnaya? Did you know we were all related because of the Yamnaya?
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No. What's the Yamnaya?
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The Yamnaya people came from the Russian Ukrainian steppe, and they're the ones that spread throughout Europe and Asia. And, as far as Europe is concerned, they're the ones that displaced or melded with the proto European people at the time. So, most likely, that scenario is they came into the your village on horseback. They're the ones with the tamed horses Oh. And brought them into the proto European area, and they were just, you know, an agrarian culture. So these giant people were drinking lots of milk with their light features and light hair and blue eyes just come rolling through your neighborhood and probably kill all the men and capture and rape all the women. Mhmm. Well, if you have blue eyes, you're got that from the Yamnaya. So like you and I with our beautiful blue eyes, Max, we are descended from the Yamnaya.
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Yours are so light like that of a wolf. It just draws the eye. It just pulls you in. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yes. Thank you. It's like diving into the Mediterranean Sea.
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Well, not only would do we get our blue eyes from the Yamnaya, but it's quite possible that we got our lactose tolerance from them as well. Do you do milk well, Max?
[00:33:35] Unknown:
I get involved a little bit. I only really have it in a protein shake occasionally. It's always just around the house, and sometimes we haven't got any food. I'm like, I just have protein shake with some milk. But I I don't have cereal or I don't have it in coffee or I don't have any of that sort of stuff. So and it's not something I just, like, drink. I can never go, oh, I'm thirsty. I'm gonna have a glass of milk. That's never happened. Do you do that?
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Yes. Yes. I do. When I get up in the morning, I have a couple big glasses of raw milk. And then when I get home, I have some more big glasses of raw milk just tangles down. Yeah. That's why you're so muscular. I think that's it. It must be the raw milk is doing it for me. After we review all this stuff, I I'm hoping that you will make a great effort to, acquire some raw milk for your family as well. Yeah. I don't think it's that hard here. It probably isn't. I think you just do it. We're much less governed than the yanks. Well, it you know, we're 50 states, buddy, so it just depends on your jurisdiction. That's all. Show me raw milk then, mate. Well, we're not done with the history.
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Okay. I'm sorry. Unfortunately. Yeah.
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So at at that time, we're going from bronze age into iron age Europe. And bronze age is like 32100 BC to 2000 BC. And then iron age for Europe, especially, is 800 to about 50 when the Romans came in. During the bronze age, it's estimated that 50% of Europeans were lactose tolerant. But by the end of the iron age, about 75 percent were lactose intolerant. So that leads me to believe, at least in doing the research here, is that lactose tolerant people in Europe tended to breed more if the growth went from 50 to 75% within within a 1000 years there.
Drink that raw milk, you're ready to get down. So what exactly is lactose intolerant? It's us having lactase persistence. That's an enzyme that breaks down lactose. We'll go further on in this later on in the episode, but, essentially, all the elements are there in raw milk to break down the lactose. It's the perfect food. It's given to babies. It's made for babies, of course, because it has all of the enzymes and bacteria to break itself down, which is why if left out, it will spoil very quickly after it's extracted from the cow or whatever mammalian is producing the the milk. Doesn't have to be cows. Milk, of course. Yes. Of course.
Although, if you get goat milk from barn miner Yeah. Don't do that. But don't do that. It's a bad idea. So as I'm doing my research for, you know, where lactose tolerance comes from, I'm looking at pastoral type cultures. The Amnaya were pastoral cultures. A lot of the Celtic tribes were pastoral cultures. The Mongolians, of course, for a time, Egyptians were. The Somalis drank camel's milk. The Maasai people of today, you know, they're the tall, slender Africans that just, you know, roam around with with with their cows. Yeah. Blood and milk. There's a certain culture to pastoral societies where they're more sovereign.
They have their cows. They have their herds, and they go wherever the herds are going to eat. There's a certain freedom there. Whereas if you're a grain based society and an agrarian society, well, you have to take your grain to market. You have to store your grain in store houses, and usually the rich and powerful are going to be the ones to control those store houses. So being an agrarian grain based society, you're used to those, like, governance structures or systems of control. Whereas a pastoral society, your culture is centered on family, on brotherhood and sisterhood, and connection with the animals.
So already, like, in the development of human beings, you can see that the Aquarian grain based societies are more governable. A lot of what we know about pre Roman Europe was written by Caesar and he would depict like the Celts and the Picts, those type of, northern Britain cultures. They were very pastoral And he was almost disgusted by them because they wore animal skins, and they ate meat, and they drank milk. And he looked down upon them because they didn't eat grain. It was something that he wrote specifically. So thanks to the Yamnaya people and then the pastoral Celts, a lot of people of European descent are lactose tolerant.
But as I mentioned before, a lot of different cultures become lactose tolerant over time. If you're living with these animals, if you're consuming this milk that has all of the enzymes, is perfectly digestible to most people, whether you're lact lactase persistent or not, over time being with these animals, you are going to make milk a part of your life. So for 1,000 and 1,000 of years, we have been drinking milk in this form, this raw form.
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So if you are lactose intolerant, could you in theory go to becoming lactose tolerant within your own lifetime? Or is that something that happens over generations?
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I think, probably genetically reliable lactose tolerance may take time, but since all of the necessary elements to break down milk are already contained in the milk, I think just over, you know, a period of time of conditioning yourself to drinking raw milk. If you're terribly lactose intolerant, give raw milk a try for a period of time and see if you can adjust to it.
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I think everyone's a little bit lactose intolerant with, like, pasteurized milk.
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Yeah. Sure. And we'll go over the science behind that. So we're living with with sheep, cows, camels. We're consuming their milk, especially if you live in a in a, a pastoral culture. And fast forward a few 1000 years, now the industrial revolution happens. And humans are getting used to environments, and animals are getting used to environments or being exposed to environments that we were never exposed to before. So in the late 1800s, and this is just as far as the United States is concerned. I did not research the UK, but I have to imagine it was pretty similar at the time. You have something called Swill Dairies.
And Swill Dairies were cattle dairy operations, industrial dairy operations next to whiskey distilleries. So what were people drinking at the time? They weren't drinking water as we know, because a lot of these Mhmm. Large cities would have cholera outbreaks. It was very common for them to drink beer, for them to drink whiskey, for them to drink milk. So it made sense to some of these industrialists to say, hey. I've got a whiskey factory where I'm, you know, got all this silage. I have all this swill from the corn, from the wheat. I can feed that to cows. So they would line up cows in these pens, very disgusting dirty conditions.
They would starve them and feed them salt. So they they were almost left no choice but to eat this swill. And so they would feed them to it cold they would get them used to that and then we'd give it to them they'd be give them hot slop you know right off of the the whiskey line they would just feed it to them hot so as a result the animals were weak they were sick the milk that came out of them was thin it was pus filled some of it was blue in color they would fortify this this disgusting milk with chalk flour plaster of Paris, anything to get it to look like real milk. Yeah.
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That's disgusting.
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Sure. So in a lot of these, you know, larger impoverished industrial cities, you know, New York specifically, people were feeding their children this fortified milk. And child death rates went way up during this time. So because of children dying, they said, well, we we must do something about this disgusting milk that everybody is eating. And so pasteurization had already existed. You know, Louis Pasteur invented pasteurization. And they said, well, why don't we pasteurize the milk? Which is essentially bringing the milk up to about 160 degrees Fahrenheit.
Fuck all you people that believe in the, metric system. You'll just have to figure out how much 160 degrees is. Believe in it like it's a fairy tale.
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Yes. Exactly. If you believe in this. I stopped believing in that when I was 5. Celsius is like Santa Claus. Yeah.
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It wasn't a reaction to people getting sick from raw milk. It was a reaction to people getting sick from sick, disgusting, swill fed cows. Mhmm. So there were 2 responses to this. One of them was for a like, a team of doctors to go around and inspect different dairy operations and make sure that they were producing healthy raw milk, which that seems like a good thing. Like, a lot of these doctors volunteered to do this, to go around and inspect different dairies and say, okay. Well, you need to abide by these cleanliness standards so we can have, safe, healthy raw milk. And there was another thought process there and that being, well, why don't we respond to it in an, in another industrial process and that's mass pasteurization.
So the 2 people that were responsible for this, the pasteurization side of things, it was a guy named Nathan Nathan Strauss, and he actually co owned Macy's. So he's an industrialist. He's a rich guy. They do things a certain way. The certified milk commission was led by a guy named Henry Coit, actually called the medical milk condition. I have, I have this written down. That was an unpaid team of physicians that went around and and inspected these operations. Who do you think eventually won the day? The money. Yeah. The money. Always. Not only was he he backed with Macy's money, this Nathan Strauss, but we're going to talk about the Rockefellers again.
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They're gonna fucking snout and everything.
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They sure do. The Rockefellers patented pasteurization equipment. So they have a patent on this equipment. They produce a lot of this equipment. This is going to be the way it is done. So it's a tale as as old as time, can a small dairy farm afford pasteurization equipment. So as with anything, once the big guys get involved, they want to pass laws. And they're the only ones that can afford to abide by those laws. The only ones that can afford to run these big industrial dairy operations. I thought to myself while writing these notes, one of the first interviews that we did, Max, where I talked about the Whiskey Rebellion and to refresh everybody's memory. That's, you know, part of the history of of Western Pennsylvania. It's the Whiskey Rebellion. They, post establishment of of the United States of America. They created the Whiskey tax. The Hamilton administration created the Whiskey tax to try to raise money to pay for the the war that we just fought over here against you cocksuckers.
Well, of course, rural Western Pennsylvania, which was frontier, could not afford to pay a whiskey tax. These are guys that said that grew corn, grew wheat, and the excess corn and wheat, they turned into whiskey. A very simple process. Grow corn. Make whiskey. Have cow. Milk cow. No. You can't do those two things. We have to go the industrial way of things, the big rich guy way of things. We have to pass laws. We have to pass extra taxes that you guys can't pay. Processes that you guys can't follow because it's too expensive. So this argument goes on for about another 40, 50 years or so where you have these 2 camps. You have this industrial dairy camp and they're they're winning the day. And then you have, like, the medical milk people that just want to make sure that dairy farms abide by cleanliness standards. And you don't, feed your cows whiskey silage and slop and put them in a a giant barn where they're so weak you have to tie them up to stand up. Jesus.
Well, in yeah. In in 1944, an article in Ladies Home Journal featured something called undulant fever.
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You heard of this undulant fever? I don't think I have actually.
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No. I I don't either because I'm pretty sure that they made it up. Where they said tens of thousands are suffering from raw milk disease. Tens of thousands. Tens of thousands of people in 1944 in the Ladies Home Journal was suffering from undulant fever I'm sure they were. Where 1 quarter of people who had undulant fever died. They actually made up a fake town called Crossroads where they said they had an epidemic of undulant fever because of raw milk.
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I love how shit the propaganda and lies always are, especially, like, in that time before the Internet. They're like Mhmm. Just say tens of 1,000. Okay. But how how dangerous is it? Well, I don't know. A quarter of people die. Yeah. Where is it worse? Crossroads.
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Well, this this story is coming along nicely. Keep feeding me.
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Just make shit up. No one will know.
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No one will check. They'll believe us. We're credentialed. Fake news. It reminded me of COVID for us. Do you remember seeing the videos from Italy? It's like, okay. The Chinese people are falling, you know, face down in in the, sidewalk and people are in the club country. Everyone
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knows
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that. But once I saw the Italians dying, hey, paisins are dying here. So they get everybody ratcheted up about undulant fever. They get everybody ratcheted up about COVID. Once you're scared and you realize people are dying, here comes the systems of control. So after that time, that's when the real push started where now it's legislation in in different jurisdictions and states and in areas to ban raw milk because of the undulant fever.
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Same old move every time. Yeah. Do you ever used to play the game Tekken?
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Sure. Yeah. I'd like to be that,
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kung fu guy. You know, like, if you get good at Tekken, you sort of realize there's a couple of moves, like a few kicks and different things where you can be far enough away from the person and you can just repeat the same fucking move Spend it. There's nothing that they can do constantly forever and you just win. That's what they do. Let's make some shit up, make everyone scared, have a way that we can profit and control people, which is the solution, and they'll be very happy about it because they're so scared. Done. Tie up with a bow. Any inconvenient truths? Crossroads.
Throw some shit in. Italy. Always the same move.
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Instead of calling it crossroads, we're gonna call it, crossroadio. Keep spamming me with that low kick, globalists.
[00:48:37] Unknown:
I used to fight as, there was a guy called Eddie, I think he was called, and he was, like, capoeira or whatever it was called. You know, like, they're, like, dance fighting. Mhmm. He'd basically, like, just be spinning and kicking their shins and ankles and just sweeping them constantly.
[00:48:54] Unknown:
You always win. What an asshole. Same thing with Mortal Kombat. Just that that Sonya low kick.
[00:48:59] Unknown:
Oh, I never really played that. Wow. That's because you're not old enough. Nope. I was speaking to, fundamentals about this. He reckons he's even older than you. I was shocked. He is old. He's, like, 3 years older than I am. Fuck you now. You're surrounded by us. Managed to get on and put sentences together very well. Yeah. Amazing. He's 4 years older than me. It's impressive. He's 3 years old. He's, like, 2 and a half years older than me. He's just amazing. What a guy. Yeah? At his age.
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He's a good dude. I talk to him often. He is. Alright. I'm getting us off track. Do you know we're gonna have this whole big beginning to end conversation about Milk, and then everybody in the booth is gonna boost who they played in Tekken? I was that guy with the wrestler with the tiger mask on. I was the old He was old guy with the clogs, the Japanese wooden clog things. Oh, yeah. He was good, wasn't he? He could, like does he couldn't he, like, throw, lightning or do some sort of crazy stuff? Did he do something with lightning? Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Yep. All the boosts will be about cars and Tekken, but that's okay. So what are the big fears, legitimate fears of raw milk, not crossroads, not undulate fever.
There are some legitimate fears. I mean, if you're if you're raising your cows in a in filthy conditions, you could get e coli. You could get listeria. There could be e coli in the milk. And they're not fun, I presume.
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Yeah. Not fun. Nobody wants food poisoning type of things. E coli and listeria. Like, what's gonna happen? So I get I drink some raw milk. I get some E coli and listeria in my glass of milk. Mhmm. Am I just gonna, like, shit myself for a few days and feel horrible? Am I gonna die? Am I gonna, like, lose a leg?
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Yep. Grow a third arm? I believe those that's that's what I'm hearing for the people in Crossroads that they all, lost a leg. If you didn't die, you lost a leg. Oh, shit.
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Yeah. Any sort of idea on percentage?
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Oh, 1 fourth. Wow. Hitting that low kick button. 1 fourth. 25% die. 2,500 people just Uh-huh. Like, gone. It yeah. Wow. It it depends on if it's 1,000 or tens of thousands of people. But seriously, what's gonna happen to me? Like, I go and start doing this. I'm not so even so worried about me. Like, I go and start doing this. I give it to my kids. I convince the missus and the kids, like, right. This is what we're doing now. I start drinking it as well. What's the worst that's gonna happen? Probably nothing. You you know, the the one of the bigger things there is is if you are in you you have a dairy that's not super, super clean, there could be some bacteria in it. And for the people living on that farm, that wouldn't be a big deal because they're being exposed to that bacteria all of the time. So they're probably used to that bacterial environment. But if you're not used to that bacterial environment, then, yeah, then you could get a little sick if you're consuming milk from a a dirty dairy. But it shouldn't be dirty, but it just just say is
[00:52:00] Unknown:
I get unlucky. It happens. I'm just gonna shit myself violently for a couple of days and vomiting. I I I'm I'm not gonna underscore,
[00:52:10] Unknown:
food poisoning. E coli and listeria can kill people.
[00:52:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. People die from that thing. Poisoning can proper fuck you up. But, like, if you're relatively healthy and strong and stuff, like, it's just gonna fuck your week up. You probably won't die.
[00:52:25] Unknown:
You we're we're not giving medical advice here on the show. Yeah.
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All John's saying is that you won't die from raw milk, and he can guarantee that. And he's willing to put his stats on the line and cover any medical costs that you or your family might incur. That's what he said. All 50,000 of them.
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But this is why it's important, you know, as far as the E. Coli and listeria fears that your dairy cows are grass fed. In large scale commercial dairies, cows are fed grain. The grain diet increases the acidity of the cow's rumen, and that's, you know, the part they're putting in the stomach, and chewing the back up, and chewing the cud, and going into another's stomach. If it's grain fed, the acidity is higher. A grain based acidic rumen environment that actually allows E. Coli to adapt and survive. But, normally, E coli would be killed by the stomach acid in the human anyway, especially if if it's grass fed. You need to find somewhere that is grass fed Yeah. That's like a very good quality place,
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build a relationship with them, and then you should be okay
[00:53:33] Unknown:
yeah if you got grass fed cows they're healthier less chance of producing bacteria harmful bacteria like e coli that's what you do so why don't we want to pasteurize our milk well because it destroys those natural digestive enzymes. It destroys the bacteria, the probiotics. Our bodies aren't meant to be sterile. We're not meant to constantly consume sterile industrial foods. We're meant to live amongst nature. So those those nutrients, those pathogens, those enzymes, those bacterias, those are those are part of how our body functions. So when you cook everything out of the milk, you're just drinking sterile slop essentially.
Raw milk has more iron, more zinc, calcium, vitamins a c, and e. Raw milk contains immunoglobins, immunoglobulins, immunoglobulins, immunoglobulins. Say that 5 times fast. Immunoglobulins,
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immunocollins,
[00:54:31] Unknown:
immunocollins. I fucked it up even on the second line. I knew you'd fuck it up. I knew you'd fail. Yeah. That's why I set you up. Digestive enzymes, and as we talked about lactose intolerance before, that natural lactase enzymes are already in there. It's ready to digest. So much so that a baby can digest it, and they don't really have any ability to digest anything else but milk. It's it's ready to go. So are you sold? I'm unsure,
[00:54:59] Unknown:
to be honest. My one concern is I'd like to know how likely this listeria and all that other stuff is. Mhmm. Because I'm pretty confident if I get food poisoning, I'll be alright. But it's like when you're feeding it to kids and, like, mine drink fucking gallons of the stuff Mhmm. It's different, isn't it? It's to be like like, if if I made their meal, I'd never forgive myself. I'd be like, oh, you come. They were fine. They would have been fine just having pasteurized. Yeah. Okay. It doesn't have quite as much vitamin c and whatever globulin thing and whatever.
But, like, they're growing fine and they're healthy and they're getting their protein and, like, getting some nutrition through this. And now I've gone and changed things, and now they're ill. I think that would be my concern. So I'd I would like to know and it's difficult as well because it's like with things like this, you're in between a rock and a hard place because you've got the Bitcoiners who are so fucking sure that they're right on everything.
[00:56:03] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[00:56:04] Unknown:
And, usually, they're a lot more right than the average person. And, usually, they're more right than doctors and bankers and politicians and, like, all the people that most people listen to. They're usually right, and those people are usually wrong. But then because they're right on a few things, they think they're right about fucking everything. Oh, sure. Yeah. When there's such a push for, like, everyone needs to be absolutely carnivore and only raw milk and all this stuff. And then on the other side, you've got, like, the doctors and stuff who'd say that's really dangerous. My guess is it's, like, somewhere in the middle, and it'd just be nice to know actually how likely is this, what is the danger, And then what are the benefits? Because it's like, if you're not lactose intolerant anyway, so you can drink milk anyway, and you're having organic milk from a good source, like, how much better are you gonna be with raw milk? Is it like you're gonna drink this and it's like one glass gives you 5 times more nutrients? Or is it like One glass have some Yeah. No. It it will give you
[00:57:08] Unknown:
much more, nutrients. You know, they save You you already have More than much.
[00:57:13] Unknown:
Like, I I don't like
[00:57:15] Unknown:
much. Much much more. Like, an extreme amount more nutrients. Like, 100 of percent? I didn't look that part up, Max.
[00:57:24] Unknown:
Yeah. This is the things that I would like to know. My gut feeling tells me that because it has been the natural way for such a long time, and humans have done this for such a long time, it is most likely that it is more healthy. Mhmm. I'm on that side. I just like to know numbers and stuff so that I can make a decision on it. Because when you make a decision for yourself, it's different to making it for a family, and you don't wanna be the cunt that which is why with all the vaccine stuff and all that, I spent disgusting amount of times going going into it all and learning it all. Well, like, at the beginning, I was like, I'm just not fucking doing it. And that would have been enough for me. But then you have to do it for everyone else, and that's a completely different ballpark.
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Mhmm. If I were to tell you so so let's take some numbers here and say vitamins a, c, and e. And raw milk has I'm gonna make up these numbers. Okay? A 1000 micrograms of a, c, and e. And pasteurized milk has 100 micrograms of a c and e. So we had, you know, 10 times. What if we took the pasteurized milk and just crumbled up a Flintstones vitamin in it? Would it be just as good as the raw milk? Probably not. Normally, natural things are better. Yeah. So we but but you're you're not accounting for things that are in the raw milk besides vitamins and minerals. You know? That's how we're so conditioned to see food is calories, vitamins, and minerals, but you can't see probiotics.
You can't see digestive enzymes. You can't see that that the profile of the proteins is different. The profile of the calcium is different. It actually hardens the calcium, and you're not able to digest the calcium. So you think you're getting stronger bones from milk because you've been told that by the milk board forever. Well, not so much if you are drinking pasteurized milk because the calcium is now hardened because of the heating process. So it's the bioavailability of all these vitamins and nutrients and enzymes and probiotics that your body can easily digest it, and it's ready to go and be metabolized.
Does freezing kill off the probiotics? That's a good question. Yeah. I would say I would say no. You know, freezing tends to suspend things and heat tends to kill things. I just wondered if it might be that it doesn't necessarily damage the probiotics
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and stuff, but it might kill the listeria.
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You know, let's go back to the, like, fact that grass fed cows have more natural rumen environment in their stomachs and the the acidity levels there. So since they're not as acidic, the grass fed cows tend to just carry less E coli to begin with. Okay. So if it's it's in a clean environment, the E. Coli risk is is a lot less, and the E. Coli that it produces, the strains are not as powerful. So your body is capable of dealing with E. Coli because of the the stomach acid environment that you have. Mhmm. Since we're omnivores and able to digest proteins because of a relatively high stomach acid content, you're probably okay versus a cow who's got pretty low stomach acid content, especially a grass fed cow. So, you know, I think in this, you're like siding with the industrialists or you're not thinking about the history that we reviewed. That's why I wanted to go over it so much to let people know that, hey, you know, we have been living with these animals in the in these environments and consuming their milk for 1,000 and 1,000 of years and nobody thought this a particular health risk.
But now that we are expected that everything has to be so sterile as if we've existed in a sterile environment throughout all of our evolution, and and we have not. We're capable of dealing with E. Coli. But when it's been, like, supercharged with industrial processes, with processes that we have not evolved with, we haven't evolved with We haven't evolved with cows on grass fed diets and industrial dairy operations. So because we haven't, now you have to introduce another industrial process and that being of pasteurization.
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Yeah. I mean, you know, like I say, I'm I'm certainly not. I'm certainly more on the side of it sounds logical that you would have it. I would just like to see some sort of numbers. Like, I I know people who have had raw milk for years years years years years years, and they're absolutely fine. There's no problems. So, like, just looking at it that way, I'd be like, yeah, I'd be fine. But it would just be interesting. There are still listeria, you know, recorded listeria and E coli outbreaks within pasteurized milk. Okay. So that process doesn't always kill it. I would say it would always kill it, but there might be something else in the,
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dairy process where it can be reintroduced
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back into it. Okay. Can you get it from cheese?
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Can you get e coli and listeria from cheese? I imagine you can get it from just about anywhere. Okay. I didn't look into raw cheese, but I do I do get raw cheese from from the Amish. We go to Sugar Creek, Ohio and go to the cheese chalet and load up on cheese. Raw cheese. Nice. Have
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you ever had a raclette? No. What's that? So good. It's, it's like a Swiss cheese, and they're like they have a huge half wheel of cheese, and they bring it over to your table. And you've got, like, new potatoes, and you've got, like, ham and all different things. And then they have this, like, heater, which heats up, like, this whole massive thing of cheese, and they just get a scraper and just scrape this massive thing of, like, melting cheese onto your plate. It's It's a bit like a fondue, but it's kind of like, bit different, and it's delicious.
Fondue will do.
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Well, you may not be convinced, but I was convinced that raw milk is right for me and, right for my family. Actually, the only one that that drinks it is,
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the youngest one. She's the only one that's down with it. The other ones don't like milk. Oh, they don't like milk at all? Not really. In cereal, that's about it. I think I'll try it. I I like I think a lot of it comes down to a trust thing. I think if I knew a farmer, like, for example, like, if Joel was knocking about in England and he was like, hey, mate. Yeah. Come around. Come see the cows, whatever. Let's see the place. This is what we do with the milk. This is how it works. I see it's all clean and good and nice. And I'll be like, oh, I can just buy it off you and you'd be like, yeah. Cool. Then I would be like, okay. I kind of understand what this is. But, like, going on some little website in the UK and then going to some little farm and then chucking some notes to a farmer, and then he gives me some milk. I'm just like, I don't know the fuck you are. I'm not sure any any farmer there. You know, do you want you want to get closer to your food source?
Why is Aldi's any better? You get milk at Aldi's, but where does that milk come from? Who's that for? You don't. We go high end for the milk. Oh, okay. Because it's my boy drinking it. Like, I go for the most expensive organic. Like Mhmm. We proper
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ball out when it comes to milk. It it so let's go back. I mean, this is probably just gonna be an episode on raw milk, I think. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Well well, it opens up a lot a lot of other conversational topics. What is organic? Who certifies organic?
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The organic mafia. Yeah.
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Exactly. And and can they be grain fed organic? Is that okay? Is that part of the organic requirements? Good question. Probably. Because grain fed cows have a different stomach acid environment, and E. Coli is more able to grow in their guts and adapt and survive in their guts than grass fed. So is it organic and grass fed milk? And then if it's organic and grass fed milk, well, then that's a pretty good environment. So why wouldn't you trust that? Probably everything else is on the up and up, and now you get the benefit of, you know, more enzymes. It's more digestible, it's more bioavailable to your child to break down the calcium and the proteins and, and, you know, nourish their little bodies with it.
Let me ask you this. When you eat a steak, do you cook the living shit out of it? Yes. No. You don't. You fucking liar.
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No. I go for I go for medium rare, usually. Alright. I have rare sometimes, but it depends on the steak.
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Does well done steak taste good to you? That tastes like shit. And I would say that's because all of the tastiness and why are things tasty to us? Well, they're supposed to be tasty to us because they provide us with nutrition.
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And so you don't wanna cook out all of the nutrition from from a steak. Does that happen when you do it well done? Do you cook out the nutrition? Yeah. I think so. Okay. I just sent you raclette, by the way. A little image. Alright. Saw the best image. It'll give you an idea.
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Oh, woah. Yeah. Why don't we have this? It's fucking epic. Oh, I need this in my life. It's such a nice cheese as well.
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Like, it's just it is delicious. And so, like, if you go to a restaurant where they do it, they just they bring that huge block of cheese and just scrape it onto the plate, and you just nice new potatoes and ham and things. It's fucking amazing. Anyway Thanks a lot. I'm hungry now as well. Yeah.
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Quite. My recommendation to you, Max, is to do what I did. And I know you're pressed for time. And on the weekends, you're trying to do all this dad family stuff. And during the weekdays, you're editing and working on the show and Mhmm. And trying to work out and such. But I think it could be a good family weekend for you guys is to see if you can find a local farmer. Those kind of people love to do show and tell. They're very proud of what they do, especially, you know, some of the regen ag permaculture people around here. The one that I work with, if she's got time, she'll talk all day about rotationally grazing the cows or grass fed, what chickens they're getting, what turkeys are coming in, the hogs are coming in. They love talking about that stuff. Just open up a dialogue with somebody at the farmer's market and find somebody you can build a relationship with to not only get milk, but to get other sources of food for the home. And And I know this stuff tends to be expensive, and this is something I want to talk about when we do our Pleb Merchant Minute is while sometimes Barnes beef jerky is expensive compared to a bag of beef jerky that you can get at the gas station.
Otis Bittmeyer's coffee might be a little bit more expensive than the coffee you get at Aldi's. But is there a portion of your family food budget where you're willing to purchase high end things because you know the producer of them or you know the quality of the food itself. You know, in my opinion, I overpay for for the raw milk, but I'm perfectly okay with overpaying for the raw milk because I think it helps build a permaculture and regenerative agriculture community where I live. I don't want that to die. I'm okay with overpaying for some of this stuff. If I were rich, I would probably get all of our chicken and turkeys and pork products from this farm.
Mhmm. Raw milk. You know, I I've got the meat and eggs thing secured myself, but I would probably do more of it. Milk's not an expensive item. It's
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even if you pay double, you know, like, it's like if I go to, like, Waitrose, which is posh, we're all, like, the boomers that don't work, who have got, like, cushions. Yeah. And they're just, like, fucking around in the way. Those ones who are, like, spending the money, that's where they go. Waitrose. Or Marks and Spencer, one of the 2. And if you go there and you buy the most expensive option, you get, like, I don't know, like, 2 liters of milk. It's, like, 3 quid or something. Okay. 2 quid. It's not quite so if someone was like, oh, you know, that'll feed your kid for the next 3 days, and it's it's an extra 50% or a 100% more. I'm like, well, it's not. We'll survive. Like, we can do that. Mhmm. But if it's like 10 x, then maybe it'd be like, oh, not sure about that. I pay $7 a gallon for this raw milk. Gallons what? 5 liters. Gallons 5 liters.
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That's about what I pay. Okay. Yeah. That's about what I pay. I think milk must be cheaper here than if I were to get that's, you know, just the Aldi's milk, I think you're probably talking about $2.53 a gallon. I don't do the shopping, obviously. Okay. And then I used to get this milk from a local dairy that was pasteurized, but it wasn't homogenized. It was just really good. They call it cream lined milk. And maybe the maybe the name of it was really good. Here we get the unhomogenized
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thing different, isn't it? Yeah. And that was
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about $4 a gallon. A little bit more expensive, but it was a it was a local dairy, and they seemed like good people, and the milk was really good. And then when I got the price for this raw milk and by the way, there's only two choices here. I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna eat it. That's gonna be one of my luxury items. I don't smoke. Don't really have any vices. These extra things that I spend money, you know, that normal people spend money on, I don't go to McDonald's. I don't do any of that. I mean you see what I eat every day. I eat eggs and steak and milk, you know, so this is a big part of my food budget is that and since I live that kind of simple lifestyle where I don't really have too many vices, I I feel it's okay to splurge on that treat yourself. Yeah. I don't think that's expensive either. I'm just looking now.
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Dutchy organic, unhomogenized whole milk. That's what we buy, and that is 99 p a liter. So 5 quid is 5 quid a gallon, which is about $7. It's about the same. Oh, wow. I think your milk prices are expensive over there then. Well, no. I mean, this is this is what I'm saying. It's like the most wine pee expensive. Yeah. If you're like, I was just like, what what can I get the boy that's, like, good? And I'm like, I'll just give him the best milk that I can get in the shops, and that's the one. And so you're not paying, like, ridiculous money. I'd be interested to see if you couldn't get a hold of somebody local that produces raw milk and have a conversation with them. And I think if you I'm sure I can. You would get over this hump. I think if it weren't if it weren't for the kids, if I just said to you, hey, you should probably switch you'd be like, oh, yeah. Okay. Whatever. Yeah. Well, I'd also have time to go and do that as well. I'd go, yeah. Okay. And you'd say, well, you just have to go to a farm and speak to a human being and shake their hand and do these things and pass them slave notes. And I'd go, yeah. Okay. I'll just do that tomorrow then. Yeah.
But it's time.
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You're you're also a a very, very protective dad. Like, you you consider a lot a lot of these things, and I do too. And I'd I'd say, most people do. Just needs to be, like, a extra level of caution for you. Yes. Well, get out get over it. Yeah. You little bitch.
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They're replaceable anyway. You just make more of them. Just make more of them. You learn that by now.
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Before we move on to basically wrap up the show, because we talked about raw milk for an hour, it's fine. Listen. If if if people are used to listening to these PMM shows, you know, it's just gonna be more free thought, and we're gonna go down different rabbit holes if we want to go down that because we're under no obligation to talk about anything else besides what we want to talk about. Mhmm. I I wouldn't I'm just thinking about this this hesitancy. You're really better off looking for grass fed raw milk than grain fed pasteurized milk. Just from the true. The stomach acid thing, like where e coli and listeria can grow in what environment, And it's more likely to grow in a grain fed cow, and most of your your dairy cows are probably more grain fed than they are anything else. So I I'm just curious as to why that that doesn't trip you up more than anything else. Like, oh, shit. I can't believe my kids have been drinking grain fed cow milk.
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Because everybody has it, and their kids aren't, like, shitting themselves to death.
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Neither are raw milk neither are raw milk consumers.
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You don't have to defend raw milk with me. I'm not, I'm not, like, coming for raw milk or it's, enjoyers. I'm just making sure. Do my due diligence. Like Yeah. I've spent enough time where I've had food poisoning and fucked myself up from traveling and stuff, and I'm like, it's fine. I just shit myself for 3, 4 days. It's fine. I've got a really good technique for it, which is that you actually lie because you know if you get bad food, you're, like, sweating, you're too hot, you're too cold Yeah. And then you're vomiting and shitting. Sure. So what I like to do is just lie in the bath, and then I'll just vomit and shit myself and then just shower myself down. When it's really bad, that's the way to go. Okay. Yeah. I What I'm saying is I'm I'm not concerned. Like, I can deal with that stuff.
It's just different with kids. Sure. But you know what's, happened after this discussion? I've gone and poured myself a, a glass of unhomogenized organic wanky dutchy milk. And I I I don't think I've drank a glass of milk for I think I've ever drank it. I I would never do this, but I'm doing it now sort of in your honor for the show. So I'm gonna try some now. Cheers.
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Yeah.
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Instant food poisoning. Yeah. It's average. I don't know that I like the unhomogenized thing. This is a bit lumpy, isn't it? Well, you're supposed to shake it up. Yeah. I did do that. It's a little bit that's not bad. See, you know how they homogenize something. Shake it up? They actually
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spray the milk high pressure through these nozzles, and it shatters the fat globules. That's how homogenization works. Shattering
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fat globules. Someone needs to homogenize me. Hey, you. Hey.
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I think you're onto something. Any other questions or doubts before we move on?
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No. I think, you shield it quite well. I think it's good. I'd I would like some numbers from you one day. Yeah. I I can get those I can get those for you. I I just thought the generalization
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of its, nutrient rich in iron, zinc, calcium, vitamins a, c, and e Mhmm. Immunoglobulins, digestive enzymes, and that the, bioavailability of the proteins and calcium is is much better. Mhmm. You can break it down. What are you gonna do with this sterile the sterile milk? Well, I'm gonna drink it and then
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piss it out later, I guess. Alright.
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I I just think it it's it's so strange how, I don't know, post medical revolution where we, you know, in, invented the microscope and we saw the germ. And we said oh shit we can't have that we must sterilize absolutely everything and I guess that was good for surgical hospitals once they realized that they needed a sterile environment when they're they're Sandy. They're busting open your natural barriers to the outside world. It helps. But as far as consuming foods goes, I I think we lost our way by by thinking that all of our food has to be sterile. Well, it's not just that. I think the bigger
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issue I would have is, like, when you lived in smaller communities and you you literally knew your farmer because you drink with him down the pub. Yep. Or, you know, you'd see him knocking about or at church or whatever. You would know him and you go either, I trust that bloke. He'd do a good job because I, like, buy his milk and, you know, he's gonna have a hard time down the pub if we're all shitting ourselves because of his milk. So he's gonna do a good job. But because we're so disconnected from it, and that's just what we're used to, I think, you know, that trust of, like, well, you're doing something here that, like, isn't suggested. You've gotta sort of go out of your way to do it. You've gotta just it's just the time of, like you know, if I knew if I knew a farmer, like I said with Joel, it's totally different. I'd just bell them. I'd just go, look, mate. Can you just hook me out with some milk? I said, use some sass. And they go, yeah. Cool. Done. Right. That's it. End of. Like, I wouldn't have any more issues.
But I don't have that. So I've now got to go out of my way to fuck around to do it, which might be worth it. It sounds like it is.
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So the you know, you have your certified organic system. And like we mentioned previously, you know, those two camps of that Nathan Strauss guy from Macy's versus the Henry Coit people from the medical milk commission. Is there some sort of group of people that are willing to go out and inspect these things and give their like industry or trade union stamp on the raw milk? Like do you trust that group of people? Probably not. Alright. Well, then as far as The set of food drives milk, do you do you still trust in England,
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Wales, and Northern Ireland? It can only be sold directly to the consumer by registered milk production farms, opens in a new window at the farm gate, a farmhouse catering operation, farmers, blah blah blah blah blah. Food standards agency. BBC.
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Is raw milk a superfood or a dangerous fad? Let's see what the whatever the BBC is wrong. Yeah. Sure. You do the exact opposite. Raw milk. Back to The Ladies Home Journal.
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Does drinking is raw milk safe? Salmonella, E coli, Listeria, and campylobacteria. Pasteurized milk was the cause of 12 outbreaks during the same 25 year time. 12. Nothing. Representative FSA. Doesn't really doesn't really say they're a bit on the fence, to be fair. The BBC here. Oh, in England and Wales, raw milk is sampled and tested 4 times a year by hygiene inspectors. The farms were inspected twice a year, and the herd must be healthy and free from wrong pulosis and tuberculosis. Yeah. We have a bit of problem with tuberculosis around here. It's the badgers, apparently.
Yeah. Apparently, they carry it. I don't know if it's true. Who's that guy? Fucking with them. I like badgers. My, my dog made friend with the badger. Adorable. Yeah. We went out, and my dog's not he's like hench, but he's not that big. Badgers are fucking hard animals. Sure. Like, really tough. I went out one night. I was just, like, calling him and calling him. He wasn't coming in. And then I went out with a torch. I was, like, looking. I was like, where the fuck is he? And then I, like, shine the torch. Oh, there he is. I was like, come on. In, mate. And then I was like, hang on a second. I was a fucking badger. And then I did the torch slightly to the left, and they were just nose to nose, just like staring into each other's eyes, just like completely calmly, and then they just came in. Wow. Yeah. It was really nice. Got a photo somewhere. I have a very similar story. When we had a dog here, I had a boxer
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named Jack. Great dog. Great dog. I I love him. I think about him every day. That's how much I I love and and miss that dog. But we would just let him out. He just kind of roamed around with chase deer, disappear for an hour, come back all lathered up, sleep for a day. So one time he's doing his thing out back, and he sees a groundhog. And he chases the groundhog, backs it up against a tree, pisses on it, and then just trots his way back up the hill and into the house. And that groundhog was just sitting there like, what the fuck just happened to me?
Oh, that's class. That's my boy, Jack. I love boxers. They're such sweet dogs. What do you how do you feel about clipping their ears?
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I don't really know. It's we've never had any of our dogs clipped or anything. I don't know. I haven't looked into it. Alright. Frenchies don't need their ears clipped. They just Yeah. They're just naturally up there. Yeah. Did you have yours done, the boxer? I did. Yes. Because I they look like they have Down syndrome if you don't clip their ears.
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I didn't want a down syndrome dog. Match with you, mate.
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Bugdog. What is it they say? You look like your dogs. Yeah. That's why I had to have them. I look exactly like a a small
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stocky little thing that shits on the kitchen floor and snores. That's you. That's how I imagine you. That's exactly how I am. Let's wrap the show up. Let's, talk about our sponsors and and get the hell out of here. Yeah. Let's get them out of the way. I'm not even I'm just get them out of the way. I'm not even gonna play their, their intro theme songs. It doesn't fit the tone of the show that we just recorded. Bifrost Manufacturing. I love them. That's it. That's the ad read. I bet they drink raw milk. I would say that they probably would drink raw milk and eat grass fed beef from a farmer that they know. As a matter of fact, Aaron, the owner of Bifrost Manufacturing, has a buffalo hookup.
Oh. That motherfucking sasquatch is eating buffalo meat. Tell me that isn't some badass shit. That is cool. Can you get buffalo milk? I don't know. That's a great question. Or do they have buffalo cheese, but that's that's like buffalo. That's not, that's not from buffalo. Different. Yeah. Yeah. We'll ask him. Nobody from the United States is gonna pronounce anything. Buffalo. That's that's especially from Pittsburgh. That's buffalo cheese. Buffalo cheese is good.
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Good. What do they do up there other than just eating buffalo? They do any work? They certainly do work.
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3 d printing and printing in general is a big feature because they're willing to go out and buy all these crazy machines that nobody else can afford. Mhmm. They're like, yep. We'll buy that. We're not doing normal 3 d printing on, things that require high precision. We can go beyond normally be plenty of ability to do 3 d printing they even can even make their own filament, but when you need some kind of high precision components perhaps for the aerospace industry which is very robust, they can do that. They have the ability to print in what's it called? Let's see if you remember this from the last episode. What's that printing printing method called?
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Yeah. I remember we talked about it, but I can't remember. Was it like p e v or p
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I can't remember now. There were letters in it, so I'm I'm glad you you remember that. So I I will go over all of their 3 d printing capabilities. They have DMLS and that is the the metal powder printer. So when they say they have a metal printer and they're one of the few manufacturing organizations around that have this metal printer or the ability to do that, that is called DMLS. They also have SAF and SLS printers. That's polymer powder. Mhmm. And SLA, that's the one that we talked about last week. Yeah. That's the the resin printer where as it prints, it sprays something else on top of the resin. It hardens it. It's got a very high-tech camera that constantly examines the print to make sure that it's, homogenized.
Yeah. Maybe they'll get into the homogenization
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Oh, one more time, buddy. One more time. Bifrost
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Also a raw milk enjoyer? Yes. Is that so? Yeah. And when they're not drinking raw milk, the shipping miners Indeed. Is one of the 2. Mhmm.
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Especially miners that can heat your home. Winter is coming. We already have a chill in the air. I think our low tonight is going to be just a few degrees above freezing. So I'm actually worried about my tobacco plants if I have to cover them or not. After I get off of this recording, I'm gonna look that up to see if I have to cover my tobacco plants. You've got tobacco plants. Who do you smoke? Why is this tobacco plants? I don't smoke. I just wanted to grow them. You know, I was inspired by, Dick Reeser and all of his cigarette smoking. And he was always talking about KYC cigarettes and KYC free cigarettes, and I said shit, I'll grow my own fucking KYC free cigarettes.
Ungovernable motherfucker. Will you consider just having, like, making one cigar or doing something? Just having a I don't think I have the skill set to make a cigar. But I can probably, like, shred it up. They're supposed to use, like, a pasta shredder. This is true. This is what people do. You know, they dry it out and they use a little cheap, you know, spinny pasta shredder, and that's how you shred up the tobacco. Or you could, like, roll a blunt, like, use the the tobacco leaves. Yeah. I'm gonna roll a really shitty blunt. I don't smoke weed either. What am I supposed to do with all this stuff? I haven't. The process goes a greaser had said to me, he said, oh, I think it's a really long process to dry tobacco. And I'm like, why?
It's just a fucking leaf. I think you should probably take about 6 weeks. Which it does take 6 weeks, but then you have to ferment the tobacco to really bring out all the flavors and to bring down the tannins and let the the carbohydrates break down into sugars and let the proteins break down into amino acids. And it's a whole science to it so that you have to ferment it for additional bioavailability of nutrients from the tobacco.
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Okay. It's natural. No chemicals. Their,
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cigars don't Let me ask you something. Is it dangerous for me to smoke this KYC free tobacco because there isn't some FDA approved inspecting team seeing if if the the health and safety that there's no mold in my tobacco.
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I would say no because you said you're gonna put it through the mixer, the coin join pasta shredder. Pasta shredder, and that's gonna do it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's gonna be no trace to know if it was or KYC or non KYC. They're not gonna know. Alright. So I think this should be covered. I just wanna make sure it's safe, and I have a government inspector who's who's letting me know whether I can come. You'd love it if I just went, oh, yes, John. Oh, if you say that raw milk is good, I won't ask any questions. Oh, no. I don't want any stats. Oh, no. Thank you. Just your word is is all I need. Wait a minute. I had tons of fucking stats. I just didn't have the percentages of of,
[01:29:17] Unknown:
vitamins and minerals in it Yeah. Versus versus, cooked milk. We won't cover that for granted yet. Milk cooked, please, daddy government? Cook my milk. Make it safe. I'm scared. People have been drinking milk for 1000 of years. I don't care about Yamnaya.
[01:29:36] Unknown:
If you're smoking non k y c, either cigarettes or blunts with your milk, it's gonna cook it anyway. You're gonna have enough heat there that it's gonna get the listeria right out of there. So Fuck. That's the middle ground. It's just when you are having some raw milk, if you are worried, smoke a blonde with it.
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Alright. You know what you could do is heat up your milk with 1 of altertech. Io's Oh. Lokey rigs, which are the bit chimney space heater and the or lacquer build. I'm a big fan of this new Bit Chimney space heater because he designed it last year and it was 3 d printed. And I think a lot of this 3 d printed stuff looks goofy and shitty. And we talked about that a lot when we first got Bifrost Manufacturing as a sponsor To say that you have a ton of ideas in your head and hopefully now that you are full time that you'll be able to bring these ideas to fruition. And it's pretty cool you've got somebody like Bifrost Manufacturing that can make that Altair with this bit chimney.
Altair. Fuck. I'm still doing it. I'm still doing it, Max. It's that raw milk, mate. It is. Altair. Raw milk. Altair came out with that bit chimney last year. Great design. You know, the whole the whole Loki thing, what Zap Bombsta did, enabling us to take a lot of these miners and converting them over to 120. He did that. It's real slick. It stands upright, brings the cool air from the bottom, spits out some hot air at the top. It was 3 d printing, and he thought to himself, this looks 3 d printed, and I don't want that. I want super high quality coming out of everything from Altair Tech. So he said, taking it off of there. I'm redoing it. Now he has, what do they call it, an aluminum extruded case. Mhmm. So it it feels like a real manufactured
[01:31:32] Unknown:
product, not just some and this is no insult to anybody that does the 3 d printing stuff, but it's not just some pleb product. Yeah. I have to say I'm I'm not a massive fan of all the plasticky stuff. If you have this in your home, it's nice to have it looking and feeling quality, like a like a something that you'd go into a shop and buy, and that's what this is. It looks like a proper appliance.
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Mhmm. Currently, they're on sale at alteratech. Io anywhere from 13.99 to 19.99. The 13.99 model is the Bitchimney s 19 k pro. If you want a little bit better efficiency there, you can get a Bitchimney s 21, and these are these are single board builds here, and that is $2,000 If you go on to alteritech.io/products/bitchimney, be sure to use when you check out our promo code which is Ungovernable. Alteritech.io. The bit chimney, use promo code Ungovernable.
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Also worth saying that everything that they sell is grass fed and organic.
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Indeed. There you go. It's got the right rumen acid environment. Mhmm. Not doing any grain fed or lacquers. And finally, to Ryan round out our sponsors, we have the Lake Satoshi Beach Retreat. And, no, I'm not playing a Bob Seger song. I could sing one for you. In Lansingburg, Michigan next year, August 2, 2025. This will probably be the same deal where most everything happens on the Saturday. The normal flow is a lot of people are getting there on Fridays, spending the night talking to people, hanging out, maybe not getting too partied up that Friday night because Saturday is a full day of events.
You have the event space that's at the beginning of Lake Satoshi. You have different vendors there. You have all kinds of educational talks. It's neat because super plebby people come. People really, really deep into Bitcoin. And then a lot of the local Michigan meetup scene people who are are just, you know, on the periphery of Bitcoin come. So it it's a good place to interact with people that, you know, may have questions about Bitcoin and are afraid to ask. Well, now you've got about 50 plebs who are dying to talk to you about Bitcoin, who are dying to talk to somebody that wants to hear them talk about about freedom and sovereignty and and sound money. And that creates a a great environment because it isn't just super plebby people, it's open to people who are just generally curious about Bitcoin and freedom and sovereignty and being a part of this community.
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The best event you could get yourself to. It's certainly the most
[01:34:10] Unknown:
mesh to Dell type event, and the more and more we talk about it, it just seems like there'll be one more person that says, you know what? I gotta come to this thing. You guys have been talking about it for 2 years. So many of the the the people that are involved in the mesh to del and involved in ungovernable misfits are part of this core Michigan meetup scene. There's some of the the most active ungovernable misfits in our little crew. Mhmm. And there people are starting to be convinced that this is the real event. Fuck the Bitcoin conference and Bitcoin Magazine and any of these other events in Las Vegas or Miami or Pacific Bitcoin.
Anything like Lake Satoshi is the real deal. And guess what? It's only $21.
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I think Pacific Bitcoin was quite a good one, wasn't it? Had a wave machine there. Was that right? Super plebby. Well, of course, super pleb, Corey Klieppenstein,
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is there. And as the bugle told us, he is the plebiest of all plebs. Did you like my artwork with, my swan that had a, tattoo of pleb on it? I saw that. It's very thoughtful. Yeah. It's a nice touch, wasn't it? It was indeed. Well, Max, that wraps up our raw milk episode.
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2 hours of raw milk talk.
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We had, we had so much on the list, but, yeah, there we are. You people wouldn't fucking believe it if I told you. Hey. You want you know what? I'm gonna go back in the show notes, and I'm gonna tell everybody all of the show prep that I did for just this one show. We did one thing, and it's now midnight where you are.
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Lovely Jubbly.
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That's it, sir. Thanks everybody for listening to this episode of PMM where we talk about milk. You didn't think it could be done. 2 hours of milk talk? Uh-uh. We already milked that one.
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One?
Sending you something that Americans I don't think you've actually built this because it'd be too cool for you to build, but if you did, I'd probably buy one. Okay. Just sent it to you on Telegram. Hey. I want to insult you real quick. No. It's kind of nice. You see it?
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Woah. Oh, that's, yeah. You know, my buddy, Andy, he's a square body guy. He's got a square body, 70, 79 square body, a 10 Blazer. He'd love that. I give a 17. Cool. I used to have a 77 f 150 high boy, you know, which is very similar to that, very square. And, my favorite iteration of that is the freewheeling edition, which has that like, it's it's like that brown and yellow that burnt orange very sound easy booking style. I didn't get that sent you pictures. Yeah. Like when I wanted to get a, since we're recording I'll not reveal this, but I wanted to get a logo for my my company. And, Crown said he'd he'd help me out with that. So I sent him these pictures of freewheeling stuff, and he couldn't land with
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it. Well, anyway, they're not gonna make that truck. I don't think. I think it's just like a concept, but it's fucking cool. It's too cool to make. Too cool to make. You always look at concept vehicles, and you're like, that is sick. I would buy that. And they're like, okay. Cool. We'll make something much shitter than that. Yeah.
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You can see over the years, like, with the new Ford Bronco, they took it from concept to production and didn't make it lame.
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You get them every once in a while. Yeah. That looked pretty cool, actually. I've been looking at vans, and I've been looking at because I always had transporters, and I was looking again. I was like, because I had a t 5. I was like, oh, maybe I'll get a t 6. I was reading through all the reviews and stuff. I like to go on PistonHeads. I don't know if you have that in America, but it's like a forum proper gear heavy type people, and they, like, really nerd out. They're like Bitcoiners, but when it comes to, like, cars. And so I was reading through all the forums of, like, what engines would be more reliable and everything. And, basically, the general consensus on there was go for a t 5, not a t 6.
If you go for a t 6, you're gonna have to undo all the electric and eco fuckery that causes all these problems. It's like list of problems like EGR valve going AdBlue causing all these issues. So then people are, like, taking them to garages to have this AdBlue delete and then have them shipped in a certain way that, like, deletes all of this fucking eco gay shit that you have to have to get into the cities without getting raped on all the fines and taxes and shit. Mhmm. And I was like, I'll just buy an old one then because why would I wanna buy a newer one to then go and spend, like, 100 or 1,000 of pounds to delete a load of shit? It baffles the mind. Buy the older one because the older one's more reliable than the new one. Yeah. You know, like my truck for instance, it probably has about 4 or $5,000
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worth of exhaust doodads on it. Or I could just delete that, get more power, get better fuel economy, you know, have a little fancy computer on there that deleted the def system and and bypassed it. And I can go faster, get better fuel mileage, and roll coal. Just black smoke rolling out everywhere. There's nothing more badass than that.
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Fuck you, environment. Rolling coal. Should we rebrand and have, like, a a motor show?
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Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. Fuck all this Bitcoin bullshit.
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What's the point in there if you can't buy cars anyway? Yeah.
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That's hey. We're all for n g u. Right? So we're just gonna go to full on PodConf and just talk about cars
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and n g u. We're not doing PodConf properly though because we're talking about trucks and vans. I know. That's not proper PodCon. They're not like, oh, yeah. I wanna get a Volkswagen Transporter or a dirty old diesel van for lugging shit up and downhills. There'd be more about, like, something, like, sexy and sleek and cool that they can pull up outside of nightclubs and, like, pay hookers to jump in with them. That kind of stuff. Yeah. PodConf is purely Lambo.
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Mhmm. That's what we're all in it for, the Lambos. Mhmm. Hey. I wanna start this episode of PMM off by thanking all of the boulder boosts. You had a specific episode that thanked all of the boulder boosts, but I wanted to give a chance to thank them as well and to remind everybody as who our Baldr boosts are. It's, apemath reindeer, Chet, we all eat.
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Venemaner. My little hurricane torn barn miner. His little Billy Groot's gruff beard is all blown away in the wind. Is he holding on with his hooves? I can't imagine he has much traction with those things.
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Sure. Remain the only one. Seen those those, what are they called In Iran.
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The Ibis, is what they're called? Yeah. That's a different type of skill because they're stopping themselves from falling vertically. Oh. They're, like, going up the side of a mountain. This is a gust of wind that would take you up. We'll have to ask him about that. Yeah. The the physics of a goat's hooves in the wind.
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Another baller boost is Kaboomrax Alex, late stage huddle Sollex, and our beautiful blue boobed, blonde haired Smurf Hashlaudette. Whoever you are, my sweet dear. I've got such a crush on you. It's it's embarrassing.
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Zara is very jealous. I bet she is. I'm lucky because my missus doesn't listen to the show, so she doesn't get to hear me swooning over the the blue boobs.
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Each one of these people has contributed to the privacy and self sovereignty community, the mining community, the Ungovernable Misfits team for a really long time. Vapemithra Undir has to be one of the OG boosters on Ungovernable Misfits, for sure. Definitely. And when you see the things that he does within the community, helping people on Sparrow Wallet channel, always answering questions there, he's a very giving person. The personality of all of these people, they're all very giving. Chet, of course, has contributed to ungovernable misfits in the Pleb minor space since the very beginning, Brian Minor.
That goes without saying, Alex, if people don't remember, he was one of the original sponsors of our Pleb minor monthly show. Out of his own pockets as well. Mhmm. Yeah. Helped us give away machines.
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He's, I would say he's the second best miner gear salesman.
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Very well. We won't mention who number 1 is. Won't we? Yeah. We probably will later on in the show. We'll get that over with. Late stage Huddl, he's more anonymous on fountain, but he's around under other names. And if I were to tell you his name, then you realize that he was he's been a part of this for a long time as well. Souleks, the father of the meshdadel, has given me so much inspiration in life, giving me deeper meaning in life, so much so that I named a cow after him. And now that I've eaten that entire cow, I feel like SolEx is a part of me. Is that weird? It's quite nice.
Alright. I thought you're gonna chalk that up to being really weird. When we have these PMM shows, we mention a lot of people. A big part of the PMM show is the social group that we're building around, these people that are in the Ungovernable Misfits periphery. So it's important for new listeners to understand that these cast of characters aren't just, like, personalities. They're they're actual friends and other mesh to delians. They're they're nodes within the mesh to del. So we not only thank all of the baller boosts that are nodes within the mesh to del, but all of our other extended mesh to del nodes. And you too can be a baller boost if you're willing to donate in some form or another 1,000,000 sats or more. So there's there's hope for others to add their names to this list.
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Oh, we got a few who, we've got our eye on who are very close. I hope to get there one day. Someone was asking me, because obviously, we accept Lightning, On Chain, Pay NIM, Monero. What's the new one? Motherfucker.
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Oh, Ethereum.
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There's so many different names. I'm gonna have to look it up now, and it's thrown me off now.
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Oh, I wish I had my are you a shitcoiner theme
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queued up. Why does my brain not function properly anymore, mate? I suppose it doesn't matter.
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There was probably a shitcoin anyhow. It it actually wasn't. Cash, silver, gold? Perhaps people are gonna pay you in meat or raw milk.
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I would know. I was get I was getting somewhere with this. We take all these different types of donation, but someone sent a new request asking, do I have a PO box? Because they wanted to send me cash and hobnob biscuit supplies.
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What the fuck does that mean?
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Should I know what a hobnob is? I would consider hobnobbing being, associating with people. Like schmoozing or Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a type of biscuit.
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Okay. Yeah. And so you would have tea with somebody and and eat these biscuits?
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Yeah. Generally. You'd have like a do you do that in America? You have you you I have, like, cookies, you probably call them. I love when you do American cookies. It's true though. That's I bet that's what you call them. Cookies. Do you want a cookie with your tea? Do you? I don't even have tea. Yeah. I have a cookie with your hat. Melty. Drink with sugar in it. Coffee. You'd have coffee and donuts. Coffee and donuts. Oh, that's quite nice. It's quite a nice combo. You're always trying to fag us up, and you're gonna lose every time, pal. No. You are more fagggy. The only cool thing you guys have is you used to make proper cars. They were shit, but they were, like, quite manly. Mhmm. And you can, in most places, carry guns and, like, defend your family, and that's cool. And, like, the police won't come and arrest you for, like, sending a tweet. So, like, all of those things are pretty cool, but generally, you are more faggot than the British.
Less tough. Yeah. Right.
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First first person that's ever tried to cast that dispersion upon us. Whatever you gotta do to cope, pal. How how about we get on with this show? Yeah. Go ahead, dear. Alright.
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For your safety. Big pharma, big banks, income tax, VAT, the Illuminati elite, cultural Marxism, critical theory.
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As all of these news stories come about about Diddy parties and Epstein client lists finally getting released if, elections go a certain way in the United States. Mhmm. I think our song really, really holds up well in all of the, enemies that we've named. Hollywood pedophiles. The Hollywood pedophiles. It does hold up. They're shining a light on the Hollywood pedophiles. They won't. They shine just enough light to get rid of the the low level people, and then the high level people continue to do whatever the hell they want to do. Yeah. I wonder what's gonna happen with the I do see that rumor that that who's the fucking retard who blew up that exchange
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a year, a year and a half ago? Sam Bankman. Sam Bankman Fried. Sam Bankman Fried. It's probably just people fucking around, but they're like, oh, Diddy's sharing a jail cell with him. Yeah. I was thinking, surely not. Surely, they have their own cell. But then I was thinking, oh my god. Poor guy.
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Yeah. They they wanna be in, but They save money on bed sheets. They can probably hang them both with the same bedsheet. That's true. That's the only thing the government's efficient at. Mhmm. Suiciding people. Suiciding. Yeah. They're very good at that. Not so good at covering it up well, though. No. Trail of breadcrumbs everywhere they go. And then sometimes they place the breadcrumbs so you can go into cookie crumbs. You can go into the little dark corners and get distracted by arguing with people on the Internet, and then they get to do whatever they are going to do. Good point. In this episode of PMM, we have pasteurized milk is malnutrition.
We're going to talk about raw milk, the history of milk in general. We're gonna get deep into some bronze age and iron age history. Are you super excited about that? Yeah. The listeners are gonna lap it up. Yeah. Oh, like little kittens. Preserving marinated meat. Our little bang miner and his jerky side gig. We're gonna find out why and how he does it, and that the fact that he's he donates a portion of those proceeds to causes he believes in.
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Did you know that? I did not know that, actually. It doesn't surprise me, though. No. Such a caring little goat. He sure is. He just cuddle right up to you with his little weird keyhole eyes.
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What? Keyhole eyes? Yeah. The goats have those little strange eyes.
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I've not really I've not really paid enough attention to them. You've never stared a goat in the eye. I don't think I have.
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We're going to talk about producers, mesh to del marketing, and potential strategies for plebs who are attempting to sell things like barn jerky and Otis Coffee or one off productions of things. How the hell can they get around the fact that they don't know how much to produce, how much inventory to hold? We've hinted at this. We're gonna go deeper into that conversation. Our friend Bubba is gonna have a philosopher's pit stop, a minstrel's musings. We're going to cover one of Bubba's sayings every PMM episode. I think you could have one of Bubba's sayings, and we can have an entire hour long conversation about that saying. It's not vaginal blood fat, is it? No. It's not. It's actually relatively clean.
I listened back to that episode and was, like, just a little skeeved out that we said it so much, but you said it was such vigor. I do things properly, mate. You've made that a part of your vernacular? Yes. Very much so. Congratulations. Thanks, Bubba. We're gonna have permaculture practitioners mastering more than the material. We'll have a very brief review of the 8 forms of capital, which we've spoken about before that we were turned on to that concept But Carl from Carl's Corner. Crazy Carl from Carl's Corner likes to talk about the eight forms of capital. But we're gonna focus on social capital because that's what I think the PMM show does very well.
And we're gonna end the show with a, the PMM mission to build meaningful relationships
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like the one we have, Max. It means a lot. Yeah.
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You you had to think of something. What can I say about John claiming we have a meaningful relationship? But first, we will review our podcasting 2.0 boosts, and let everybody know what kind of meaningful relationship we have with our boosters. First up is with 100,000 sats. This is what a banger this episode. Thank you both for the excellent job. I'm with Max on the COVID experience. You truly opened my eyes and made my belief in Bitcoin solidified. Unfortunately, I lost my dad right at the beginning of it, and it wasn't able to fly to his funeral. That's fucked up. Yeah. That's fucking And right at that moment, everything changed for me. I was blessed with a child, took the responsibility of a mortgage, and protected my family. First test was to convince my wife not to take the vaccine in order to go back to work.
Luckily, she did listen. Thanks to podcasts like yours, no agenda show, and a few others that my path is not uncertain anymore. Much love and appreciate from chop shop chop show chop shop, I think he meant to say, from the chop shop in Miami. And he says, fuck fountain app. I've been hearing a lot of this lately. Force me to split the boosts into 2. Is there a limit after 100,000 sats? Anyway, lovely episode. Thanks again for your efforts.
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That's cool when you've touched someone's life like that. That's a nice thing to hear. Yeah. Ray's a really good guy. Very, very happy that, you've convinced your wife not to have the vaccine. You fought against it. It's good to hear. It wasn't easy.
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Yeah. I hear a lot of these stories that that, I didn't take it, but my wife did because of work. It's one thing for people to have these personas, you know, the the real hard asses. But if you can't apply that to your own family, then you're just a keyboard warrior.
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My missus is working at the time. I went to talk to what industry, but she was asked every single day, like, literally every single day because it wasn't just the people that she was working for. It's everyone else that she's working with. I think she was the only person who didn't, and everyone else would ask and stuff and, like, not not necessarily be, like, horrible about it, but, like, there was definitely an undertone of, like Well, that's good. She has somebody to come home to and and lean on. Yeah. She could depend on you for support in that. Exactly. But at the same time, like, I wanted to go in and just, like, call everyone a company and be like, you fuck off, but you can't always behave like that.
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Oh, you don't say. It's like,
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you know, we might, but it doesn't always, work for other people's careers particularly well. So I think a lot of people went through it and, like, pressure from families and if you're having kids around the same sort of time as it was going on, all the pressure from moms. Every time we went into a hospital, family members, and, like, basically saying, like, if you don't do it, you're putting your your child at risk, and that's a terrible thing. You know, all this kind of stuff, and it's just like getting through that with conviction and then also not completely destroying the friendships and relationships with the people around you who are otherwise good people is, challenging. So, well, don't forget him through it, mate.
Rod Palmer. Still feeling FOMO from missing Lake Satoshi. Good. You should feel the FOMO, pal. Yeah. You should. You fucking bitch. Don't mess it up next time. You didn't turn up. How dare you. Black coffee. The Charles Muriel article is a flipping banger. It was. That article touched a lot of people. That was a really good one. That was that was my favorite one, I think. Mhmm. There was a build up to it. There's quality. Like Satoshi, I would like all of my sats go towards Chet's boosting being read in a fat fuck subway guy voice. From now on, the resemblance is uncanny. What? Is he saying the resemblance of Chet and the fat fuck guys is fucking funny? Yeah.
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Mhmm. Oh. Very rude. Like, Satoshi. Very rude as well. Mhmm.
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Is it true, though? Is it fair? No. Is it reasonable? Chet's quite fit. Well, he quite often says that he's a fat fuck. Oh, he's just saying that. Mhmm. Okay. Late stage huddle. Hashtag who is Hash Latette.
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Wish I knew. Wouldn't he like to know? Yeah. Wouldn't we all like to know? Well, Chet knows that fat fuck. He knows. Mhmm.
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Soulex, sunshine up, and an atom.
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Mhmm. Alright. We're up. Okay.
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Fundamentals. I've been asking what a gander is for a very long time. A decade of gander equality and gander reveal parties got me nowhere on my quest. Powerful. He's a weird guy. Yeah. Yeah. Jumped on a call with him yesterday. It was good fun. Yeah. And then that episode will air before this one does. So hope everybody enjoyed getting to fundamentals a little better. Yeah. Actually won't. This one's gonna go out first. Oh, okay. Oscar Mary is gonna go out. Oh, yeah. Then it's gonna be this one, then it's gonna be that one. Okay.
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Thanks for letting me know the schedule of the show because I can't keep track.
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Not a good eye. John answered a long held question I've had, and I can finally pursue more productive quests. Oh, I'm sure it's gonna be very productive
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fundamentals
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Yeah. With the quests. Like he says, he's gone to all these gander reveal parties, and it hasn't got him anywhere. Just, feathers come out.
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Next up on fountain boosts is Chet We All Eat. And since we were paid to read this boost in the fat fuck subway guy voice, I am going to do just that.
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Bitcoin is a way of life. Great episode, fellas. Nothing will ever compare to the Mastodon community cult that's been curated. Raw milk with 5 whiskeys, y'all, will be docking up fags. Good article. And, John, you read it so homo. Erotically, I feel the tears rolling down Max's face, LMFAO.
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It's actually quite fitting. I think Lake Satoshi's really come on to something. He's so ahead of the game. That was brilliant. Thank you, Chet, and thank you Lake Satoshi for setting that up. Next up is Shadrach. He says pray and love. We do just that and pray and love to you too, Shadrach. Bubba, think of Lake Satoshi event and having many types of events around the world. Selling your wares at these events like Mesh Dadel Farmers Market or a Flea Market or something like that. Lovely show chaps, cigarette, whiskey, fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. So, Max, now you're getting healthy. That's great. But now you wake up on a pool of piss. So I'd say you're breaking even. It keeps happening as well.
I still do nothing except getting closer to death. I wake up dry as a bone. So I think I'm breaking even, cowboy, cigarette, whiskey, cactus, skull, and crossbones. Is he saying because he doesn't wake up in a pool of piss that he's good to go now even though he's old? Yeah. He's doing better than me, isn't he, really? He's having the whiskeys and cigarettes, and he's enjoying life.
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But he's still evading, waking up in a pool of piss. And I'm trying to be healthy even though I haven't gone to the gym this week at all. I've just literally edited and fixed notes. I'm trying to be healthy, but I still wake up in a pool of piss every morning. Not your own. Not your own, everybody. Not my own. Not yet. That's a few years away. 8 Mithrandir. Charles Muriel is pretty based. Yeah. Not pretty based. He's very based. Wartime. Orange heart, orange heart, orange heart, orange heart. Not to be confused with warm orange tart.
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Very good. Wow. Yeah. What a wordsmith.
[00:23:35] Unknown:
Mister mister, same question again. Yeah. Hashtag who is hashtag air. Mhmm. Bon. That country list is quite exclusive. What country list? You don't remember. I was trying to think. That country list is quite exclusive. People who you consider cuntty? Consider most people cuntty. Not a lot. Yeah. Including myself. Yeah. Rev Huddl. Bitcoin meetups are the seed from seed that from which mesh todels put down roots and grow flowers, cross pollinating with other meetups nearby. Go to your local meetup, bring something to sell, stack KYC free sats, and provide value to the Bitcoin community, all while building powerful relationships.
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That's lovely. That's very good advice. Yeah. We don't even need to record the rest of the show. He so succinctly put in Yeah. Pretty much everything that we're going to talk about on the rest of the show. So let's wrap it up. Cross pollinating,
[00:24:41] Unknown:
seeds from which meshchezels grow roots. I love it. Yeah. It's all there. And it is the best way if you can go and, sell some goods or services for some sats. Nothing better than that. That's the best. Circular pleb economy. It's like being in the room with SolEx.
[00:24:58] Unknown:
Brother Abel, basic instructions before leaving Earth. Now we know, and I'm gonna say it like that every time. Another excellent episode. Charles Muriel's writing was excellent, and his caution that the media is dishonest is sage advice. Well, you don't say. A rule that served me well is to only believe credentialed journalists who report for the bugle in a thermodynamic manner. It hasn't steered me wrong yet. I agree. Palmer and Greaser, they're credentialed. So everything they say is legit. The low point of COVID for me was seeing followers of Christ snitching on pastors and priests, having police arrest and shut down churches. Gay. Being so brainwashed, they actually thought what they were doing was right. I've forgiven, but I will never forget. That's so godly and nice to forgive that kind of behavior.
I like to keep the hatred in my heart for individuals like that. Yeah. Sure. I understand, but it's it is not very Christ like. So I understand what brother Abel is is trying to do. Did you hear there's a story recently, and I I can't recall what jurisdiction it was in. It might be Minnesota under, governor tampon Tim. They had a a a call center set up. Or they had a a see something, say something hotline set up from the government. Like, if you see people, you know, gathering in groups of 5 people or more or doing church Fuck. Activities, please call this number up. Well, because it was a government sanctioned thing, it's, susceptible to FOIA requests, the freedom of information act requests. So people FOIA'd this hotline number, and they got all of the information of all the snitches.
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Oh, that's nice. Snitches get stitches.
[00:26:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Or they they should at least be publicly shamed.
[00:26:44] Unknown:
At very least. I tried to, send you a little video of tampontim because I didn't know who he was, and then it came up in my feed. And I was like, oh, this is the guy. But for some reason, you couldn't see it. It was it was him It was a tweet with the leader. Well, I'm not surprised because it was him in, like, a little latex thing, like dancing with his belly hanging out, dancing to Beyonce in a hallway somewhere. I'm sure it's It was like Tim Waltz. I was like, this is the guy John was talking about that loves tampons in men's bathrooms. This is very fitting. This looks like this would be the guy Something that liters. Yeah. It's very weird. They've quite a good belly as well. It probably wasn't him, but you could you could assume that he would do something like that, and that's good enough.
FOMO Metronic. He's on, like, a bullet point list of different smileys, it looks like? That's how I'm reading it. I do the bullet points. The bullet points mean just means that there were multiple fountain boosts spread out, and I just put them in one place for your convenience. Oh, thank you. That's very good of you. Mhmm. 1 is a smiley face. Next one is a smiley face. And one I'm guessing is a winky smiley face. Yeah. That that are a tear.
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It's a crying. Like a tear drop? FOMOmitronic?
[00:27:56] Unknown:
Did we make you cry? Well, don't you Americans like to have, like, the tear drop for each kill you have under your tear duct? Maybe he's, like, hinting at a kill. Oh, man. Wow. What a badass. Or that the show was killer. Sure. That's what it means. We'll set it as that. Thanks, mate. Blizzard. V four v, if everyone pitches in even a 100 sats, the v four v model is unbeatable. But We love Yeah. I'd prefer they pitch in more more than a 100 sats. I'm just saying. Yeah. But because he's because he's saying all the millions of listeners that we have, a 100 sats. Oh, sure. Right. Mhmm. With each of them. Millions and millions of listeners.
Pies. I think I'm finally back on my g's. App seems to be working now, and I created a new account. Boyaka boyaka, beers, mushroom, strong-arm, punch you in the face. Yeah. Thanks, Pies. B, went dark for now on Telegram a little bit ago, and I didn't have a way to express my gratitude for Charles Muriel article. So finally draining my fountain wallet, his words came right as I needed to hear them. Really had some impact, Charles Mariel.
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I think this is gonna make Charles Mariel very happy. I'm I'm sure he's read through the boosts. Right? I at least hope that he's read through the boosts to understand how how impactful that last article was. And and as I mentioned before, it's a buildup. I think I would consider that a series of articles, and I may maybe I'll record me reading all of the articles in order. It builds up to that. It starts with the demoralization techniques, and then it wraps up with, you know, how can you make a connection with other human beings to heal your soul. Great writer.
He sure is. Next on On Governmental Misfits PMM, we are going to talk about milk. This could be an absolutely fascinating conversation. Can't it, Max? Yeah. And I'm mainly thinking about the GIF, if I'm honest. Is this the GIF where the girl is, having her hair pulled back and another girl is
[00:30:09] Unknown:
making her drink milk? No. That's not a bad one. It's the one that I send you quite often. It's the one where there's that, like, Latina girl and, like, cowboy stuff, and then she's, like, milking a cow. There's, like, a money shot sort of thing. I've said it to you so many times. Yeah. You have. I'm sure there'll be a gift now. Yeah. Lincoln Park rules is on it. Yes.
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He loves it. I recently got a raw milk dealer, as we've mentioned in a in a show before. I'm gonna share some of those details of of how I came about that dealer and the relationship that I have with them. It's something that I've been pursuing for a long time, and I forget who asked me. Maybe my dad asked me, like, you know, what are you what are you drinking raw milk for? What's that for? What's wrong with pasteurized milk? You're gonna get sick. You're drinking raw milk. You're already coming up with something stupid to do. He wishes he never fucking asked, didn't he? Oh, you know, he'll ask me just to troll me. He said, well, dad, here's a PowerPoint presentation I made earlier. Yeah. And then he then he trails off. I mean, I could go off for half an hour why I think raw milk is is a good thing to consume. He he spaced out somewhere. He trolled me. He insulted me. He's done. He he gets to let space out now. Mhmm. That's all he's really going for. Yeah. I like it. To me, raw milk, there's a there's a sovereignty play there as well as the health benefits.
You know? Being ungovernable, you tell me I can't do something. Okay. Why? First of all, and then I'm going to do it anyway.
[00:31:41] Unknown:
Do not send me your largest UTXO, John. Ain't gonna be much, pal. 12 sats. Do not send it to me. Alright.
[00:31:51] Unknown:
I'm a show you. You son of a bitch. Humans have been drinking milk for a very long time. Those of us who are of European descent, it is said that we tend to be more lactose tolerant than other genetic groups of people. And the reason being is the Yamnaya people. Have you heard of the Yamnaya? Did you know we were all related because of the Yamnaya?
[00:32:15] Unknown:
No. What's the Yamnaya?
[00:32:17] Unknown:
The Yamnaya people came from the Russian Ukrainian steppe, and they're the ones that spread throughout Europe and Asia. And, as far as Europe is concerned, they're the ones that displaced or melded with the proto European people at the time. So, most likely, that scenario is they came into the your village on horseback. They're the ones with the tamed horses Oh. And brought them into the proto European area, and they were just, you know, an agrarian culture. So these giant people were drinking lots of milk with their light features and light hair and blue eyes just come rolling through your neighborhood and probably kill all the men and capture and rape all the women. Mhmm. Well, if you have blue eyes, you're got that from the Yamnaya. So like you and I with our beautiful blue eyes, Max, we are descended from the Yamnaya.
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Yours are so light like that of a wolf. It just draws the eye. It just pulls you in. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yes. Thank you. It's like diving into the Mediterranean Sea.
[00:33:23] Unknown:
Well, not only would do we get our blue eyes from the Yamnaya, but it's quite possible that we got our lactose tolerance from them as well. Do you do milk well, Max?
[00:33:35] Unknown:
I get involved a little bit. I only really have it in a protein shake occasionally. It's always just around the house, and sometimes we haven't got any food. I'm like, I just have protein shake with some milk. But I I don't have cereal or I don't have it in coffee or I don't have any of that sort of stuff. So and it's not something I just, like, drink. I can never go, oh, I'm thirsty. I'm gonna have a glass of milk. That's never happened. Do you do that?
[00:34:00] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. I do. When I get up in the morning, I have a couple big glasses of raw milk. And then when I get home, I have some more big glasses of raw milk just tangles down. Yeah. That's why you're so muscular. I think that's it. It must be the raw milk is doing it for me. After we review all this stuff, I I'm hoping that you will make a great effort to, acquire some raw milk for your family as well. Yeah. I don't think it's that hard here. It probably isn't. I think you just do it. We're much less governed than the yanks. Well, it you know, we're 50 states, buddy, so it just depends on your jurisdiction. That's all. Show me raw milk then, mate. Well, we're not done with the history.
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Okay. I'm sorry. Unfortunately. Yeah.
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So at at that time, we're going from bronze age into iron age Europe. And bronze age is like 32100 BC to 2000 BC. And then iron age for Europe, especially, is 800 to about 50 when the Romans came in. During the bronze age, it's estimated that 50% of Europeans were lactose tolerant. But by the end of the iron age, about 75 percent were lactose intolerant. So that leads me to believe, at least in doing the research here, is that lactose tolerant people in Europe tended to breed more if the growth went from 50 to 75% within within a 1000 years there.
Drink that raw milk, you're ready to get down. So what exactly is lactose intolerant? It's us having lactase persistence. That's an enzyme that breaks down lactose. We'll go further on in this later on in the episode, but, essentially, all the elements are there in raw milk to break down the lactose. It's the perfect food. It's given to babies. It's made for babies, of course, because it has all of the enzymes and bacteria to break itself down, which is why if left out, it will spoil very quickly after it's extracted from the cow or whatever mammalian is producing the the milk. Doesn't have to be cows. Milk, of course. Yes. Of course.
Although, if you get goat milk from barn miner Yeah. Don't do that. But don't do that. It's a bad idea. So as I'm doing my research for, you know, where lactose tolerance comes from, I'm looking at pastoral type cultures. The Amnaya were pastoral cultures. A lot of the Celtic tribes were pastoral cultures. The Mongolians, of course, for a time, Egyptians were. The Somalis drank camel's milk. The Maasai people of today, you know, they're the tall, slender Africans that just, you know, roam around with with with their cows. Yeah. Blood and milk. There's a certain culture to pastoral societies where they're more sovereign.
They have their cows. They have their herds, and they go wherever the herds are going to eat. There's a certain freedom there. Whereas if you're a grain based society and an agrarian society, well, you have to take your grain to market. You have to store your grain in store houses, and usually the rich and powerful are going to be the ones to control those store houses. So being an agrarian grain based society, you're used to those, like, governance structures or systems of control. Whereas a pastoral society, your culture is centered on family, on brotherhood and sisterhood, and connection with the animals.
So already, like, in the development of human beings, you can see that the Aquarian grain based societies are more governable. A lot of what we know about pre Roman Europe was written by Caesar and he would depict like the Celts and the Picts, those type of, northern Britain cultures. They were very pastoral And he was almost disgusted by them because they wore animal skins, and they ate meat, and they drank milk. And he looked down upon them because they didn't eat grain. It was something that he wrote specifically. So thanks to the Yamnaya people and then the pastoral Celts, a lot of people of European descent are lactose tolerant.
But as I mentioned before, a lot of different cultures become lactose tolerant over time. If you're living with these animals, if you're consuming this milk that has all of the enzymes, is perfectly digestible to most people, whether you're lact lactase persistent or not, over time being with these animals, you are going to make milk a part of your life. So for 1,000 and 1,000 of years, we have been drinking milk in this form, this raw form.
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So if you are lactose intolerant, could you in theory go to becoming lactose tolerant within your own lifetime? Or is that something that happens over generations?
[00:38:53] Unknown:
I think, probably genetically reliable lactose tolerance may take time, but since all of the necessary elements to break down milk are already contained in the milk, I think just over, you know, a period of time of conditioning yourself to drinking raw milk. If you're terribly lactose intolerant, give raw milk a try for a period of time and see if you can adjust to it.
[00:39:17] Unknown:
I think everyone's a little bit lactose intolerant with, like, pasteurized milk.
[00:39:23] Unknown:
Yeah. Sure. And we'll go over the science behind that. So we're living with with sheep, cows, camels. We're consuming their milk, especially if you live in a in a, a pastoral culture. And fast forward a few 1000 years, now the industrial revolution happens. And humans are getting used to environments, and animals are getting used to environments or being exposed to environments that we were never exposed to before. So in the late 1800s, and this is just as far as the United States is concerned. I did not research the UK, but I have to imagine it was pretty similar at the time. You have something called Swill Dairies.
And Swill Dairies were cattle dairy operations, industrial dairy operations next to whiskey distilleries. So what were people drinking at the time? They weren't drinking water as we know, because a lot of these Mhmm. Large cities would have cholera outbreaks. It was very common for them to drink beer, for them to drink whiskey, for them to drink milk. So it made sense to some of these industrialists to say, hey. I've got a whiskey factory where I'm, you know, got all this silage. I have all this swill from the corn, from the wheat. I can feed that to cows. So they would line up cows in these pens, very disgusting dirty conditions.
They would starve them and feed them salt. So they they were almost left no choice but to eat this swill. And so they would feed them to it cold they would get them used to that and then we'd give it to them they'd be give them hot slop you know right off of the the whiskey line they would just feed it to them hot so as a result the animals were weak they were sick the milk that came out of them was thin it was pus filled some of it was blue in color they would fortify this this disgusting milk with chalk flour plaster of Paris, anything to get it to look like real milk. Yeah.
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That's disgusting.
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Sure. So in a lot of these, you know, larger impoverished industrial cities, you know, New York specifically, people were feeding their children this fortified milk. And child death rates went way up during this time. So because of children dying, they said, well, we we must do something about this disgusting milk that everybody is eating. And so pasteurization had already existed. You know, Louis Pasteur invented pasteurization. And they said, well, why don't we pasteurize the milk? Which is essentially bringing the milk up to about 160 degrees Fahrenheit.
Fuck all you people that believe in the, metric system. You'll just have to figure out how much 160 degrees is. Believe in it like it's a fairy tale.
[00:42:07] Unknown:
Yes. Exactly. If you believe in this. I stopped believing in that when I was 5. Celsius is like Santa Claus. Yeah.
[00:42:19] Unknown:
It wasn't a reaction to people getting sick from raw milk. It was a reaction to people getting sick from sick, disgusting, swill fed cows. Mhmm. So there were 2 responses to this. One of them was for a like, a team of doctors to go around and inspect different dairy operations and make sure that they were producing healthy raw milk, which that seems like a good thing. Like, a lot of these doctors volunteered to do this, to go around and inspect different dairies and say, okay. Well, you need to abide by these cleanliness standards so we can have, safe, healthy raw milk. And there was another thought process there and that being, well, why don't we respond to it in an, in another industrial process and that's mass pasteurization.
So the 2 people that were responsible for this, the pasteurization side of things, it was a guy named Nathan Nathan Strauss, and he actually co owned Macy's. So he's an industrialist. He's a rich guy. They do things a certain way. The certified milk commission was led by a guy named Henry Coit, actually called the medical milk condition. I have, I have this written down. That was an unpaid team of physicians that went around and and inspected these operations. Who do you think eventually won the day? The money. Yeah. The money. Always. Not only was he he backed with Macy's money, this Nathan Strauss, but we're going to talk about the Rockefellers again.
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They're gonna fucking snout and everything.
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They sure do. The Rockefellers patented pasteurization equipment. So they have a patent on this equipment. They produce a lot of this equipment. This is going to be the way it is done. So it's a tale as as old as time, can a small dairy farm afford pasteurization equipment. So as with anything, once the big guys get involved, they want to pass laws. And they're the only ones that can afford to abide by those laws. The only ones that can afford to run these big industrial dairy operations. I thought to myself while writing these notes, one of the first interviews that we did, Max, where I talked about the Whiskey Rebellion and to refresh everybody's memory. That's, you know, part of the history of of Western Pennsylvania. It's the Whiskey Rebellion. They, post establishment of of the United States of America. They created the Whiskey tax. The Hamilton administration created the Whiskey tax to try to raise money to pay for the the war that we just fought over here against you cocksuckers.
Well, of course, rural Western Pennsylvania, which was frontier, could not afford to pay a whiskey tax. These are guys that said that grew corn, grew wheat, and the excess corn and wheat, they turned into whiskey. A very simple process. Grow corn. Make whiskey. Have cow. Milk cow. No. You can't do those two things. We have to go the industrial way of things, the big rich guy way of things. We have to pass laws. We have to pass extra taxes that you guys can't pay. Processes that you guys can't follow because it's too expensive. So this argument goes on for about another 40, 50 years or so where you have these 2 camps. You have this industrial dairy camp and they're they're winning the day. And then you have, like, the medical milk people that just want to make sure that dairy farms abide by cleanliness standards. And you don't, feed your cows whiskey silage and slop and put them in a a giant barn where they're so weak you have to tie them up to stand up. Jesus.
Well, in yeah. In in 1944, an article in Ladies Home Journal featured something called undulant fever.
[00:45:52] Unknown:
You heard of this undulant fever? I don't think I have actually.
[00:45:56] Unknown:
No. I I don't either because I'm pretty sure that they made it up. Where they said tens of thousands are suffering from raw milk disease. Tens of thousands. Tens of thousands of people in 1944 in the Ladies Home Journal was suffering from undulant fever I'm sure they were. Where 1 quarter of people who had undulant fever died. They actually made up a fake town called Crossroads where they said they had an epidemic of undulant fever because of raw milk.
[00:46:27] Unknown:
I love how shit the propaganda and lies always are, especially, like, in that time before the Internet. They're like Mhmm. Just say tens of 1,000. Okay. But how how dangerous is it? Well, I don't know. A quarter of people die. Yeah. Where is it worse? Crossroads.
[00:46:45] Unknown:
Well, this this story is coming along nicely. Keep feeding me.
[00:46:50] Unknown:
Just make shit up. No one will know.
[00:46:54] Unknown:
No one will check. They'll believe us. We're credentialed. Fake news. It reminded me of COVID for us. Do you remember seeing the videos from Italy? It's like, okay. The Chinese people are falling, you know, face down in in the, sidewalk and people are in the club country. Everyone
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knows
[00:47:13] Unknown:
that. But once I saw the Italians dying, hey, paisins are dying here. So they get everybody ratcheted up about undulant fever. They get everybody ratcheted up about COVID. Once you're scared and you realize people are dying, here comes the systems of control. So after that time, that's when the real push started where now it's legislation in in different jurisdictions and states and in areas to ban raw milk because of the undulant fever.
[00:47:41] Unknown:
Same old move every time. Yeah. Do you ever used to play the game Tekken?
[00:47:45] Unknown:
Sure. Yeah. I'd like to be that,
[00:47:47] Unknown:
kung fu guy. You know, like, if you get good at Tekken, you sort of realize there's a couple of moves, like a few kicks and different things where you can be far enough away from the person and you can just repeat the same fucking move Spend it. There's nothing that they can do constantly forever and you just win. That's what they do. Let's make some shit up, make everyone scared, have a way that we can profit and control people, which is the solution, and they'll be very happy about it because they're so scared. Done. Tie up with a bow. Any inconvenient truths? Crossroads.
Throw some shit in. Italy. Always the same move.
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Instead of calling it crossroads, we're gonna call it, crossroadio. Keep spamming me with that low kick, globalists.
[00:48:37] Unknown:
I used to fight as, there was a guy called Eddie, I think he was called, and he was, like, capoeira or whatever it was called. You know, like, they're, like, dance fighting. Mhmm. He'd basically, like, just be spinning and kicking their shins and ankles and just sweeping them constantly.
[00:48:54] Unknown:
You always win. What an asshole. Same thing with Mortal Kombat. Just that that Sonya low kick.
[00:48:59] Unknown:
Oh, I never really played that. Wow. That's because you're not old enough. Nope. I was speaking to, fundamentals about this. He reckons he's even older than you. I was shocked. He is old. He's, like, 3 years older than I am. Fuck you now. You're surrounded by us. Managed to get on and put sentences together very well. Yeah. Amazing. He's 4 years older than me. It's impressive. He's 3 years old. He's, like, 2 and a half years older than me. He's just amazing. What a guy. Yeah? At his age.
[00:49:31] Unknown:
He's a good dude. I talk to him often. He is. Alright. I'm getting us off track. Do you know we're gonna have this whole big beginning to end conversation about Milk, and then everybody in the booth is gonna boost who they played in Tekken? I was that guy with the wrestler with the tiger mask on. I was the old He was old guy with the clogs, the Japanese wooden clog things. Oh, yeah. He was good, wasn't he? He could, like does he couldn't he, like, throw, lightning or do some sort of crazy stuff? Did he do something with lightning? Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Yep. All the boosts will be about cars and Tekken, but that's okay. So what are the big fears, legitimate fears of raw milk, not crossroads, not undulate fever.
There are some legitimate fears. I mean, if you're if you're raising your cows in a in filthy conditions, you could get e coli. You could get listeria. There could be e coli in the milk. And they're not fun, I presume.
[00:50:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Not fun. Nobody wants food poisoning type of things. E coli and listeria. Like, what's gonna happen? So I get I drink some raw milk. I get some E coli and listeria in my glass of milk. Mhmm. Am I just gonna, like, shit myself for a few days and feel horrible? Am I gonna die? Am I gonna, like, lose a leg?
[00:50:49] Unknown:
Yep. Grow a third arm? I believe those that's that's what I'm hearing for the people in Crossroads that they all, lost a leg. If you didn't die, you lost a leg. Oh, shit.
[00:51:01] Unknown:
Yeah. Any sort of idea on percentage?
[00:51:03] Unknown:
Oh, 1 fourth. Wow. Hitting that low kick button. 1 fourth. 25% die. 2,500 people just Uh-huh. Like, gone. It yeah. Wow. It it depends on if it's 1,000 or tens of thousands of people. But seriously, what's gonna happen to me? Like, I go and start doing this. I'm not so even so worried about me. Like, I go and start doing this. I give it to my kids. I convince the missus and the kids, like, right. This is what we're doing now. I start drinking it as well. What's the worst that's gonna happen? Probably nothing. You you know, the the one of the bigger things there is is if you are in you you have a dairy that's not super, super clean, there could be some bacteria in it. And for the people living on that farm, that wouldn't be a big deal because they're being exposed to that bacteria all of the time. So they're probably used to that bacterial environment. But if you're not used to that bacterial environment, then, yeah, then you could get a little sick if you're consuming milk from a a dirty dairy. But it shouldn't be dirty, but it just just say is
[00:52:00] Unknown:
I get unlucky. It happens. I'm just gonna shit myself violently for a couple of days and vomiting. I I I'm I'm not gonna underscore,
[00:52:10] Unknown:
food poisoning. E coli and listeria can kill people.
[00:52:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Okay. People die from that thing. Poisoning can proper fuck you up. But, like, if you're relatively healthy and strong and stuff, like, it's just gonna fuck your week up. You probably won't die.
[00:52:25] Unknown:
You we're we're not giving medical advice here on the show. Yeah.
[00:52:32] Unknown:
All John's saying is that you won't die from raw milk, and he can guarantee that. And he's willing to put his stats on the line and cover any medical costs that you or your family might incur. That's what he said. All 50,000 of them.
[00:52:46] Unknown:
But this is why it's important, you know, as far as the E. Coli and listeria fears that your dairy cows are grass fed. In large scale commercial dairies, cows are fed grain. The grain diet increases the acidity of the cow's rumen, and that's, you know, the part they're putting in the stomach, and chewing the back up, and chewing the cud, and going into another's stomach. If it's grain fed, the acidity is higher. A grain based acidic rumen environment that actually allows E. Coli to adapt and survive. But, normally, E coli would be killed by the stomach acid in the human anyway, especially if if it's grass fed. You need to find somewhere that is grass fed Yeah. That's like a very good quality place,
[00:53:30] Unknown:
build a relationship with them, and then you should be okay
[00:53:33] Unknown:
yeah if you got grass fed cows they're healthier less chance of producing bacteria harmful bacteria like e coli that's what you do so why don't we want to pasteurize our milk well because it destroys those natural digestive enzymes. It destroys the bacteria, the probiotics. Our bodies aren't meant to be sterile. We're not meant to constantly consume sterile industrial foods. We're meant to live amongst nature. So those those nutrients, those pathogens, those enzymes, those bacterias, those are those are part of how our body functions. So when you cook everything out of the milk, you're just drinking sterile slop essentially.
Raw milk has more iron, more zinc, calcium, vitamins a c, and e. Raw milk contains immunoglobins, immunoglobulins, immunoglobulins, immunoglobulins. Say that 5 times fast. Immunoglobulins,
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immunocollins,
[00:54:31] Unknown:
immunocollins. I fucked it up even on the second line. I knew you'd fuck it up. I knew you'd fail. Yeah. That's why I set you up. Digestive enzymes, and as we talked about lactose intolerance before, that natural lactase enzymes are already in there. It's ready to digest. So much so that a baby can digest it, and they don't really have any ability to digest anything else but milk. It's it's ready to go. So are you sold? I'm unsure,
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to be honest. My one concern is I'd like to know how likely this listeria and all that other stuff is. Mhmm. Because I'm pretty confident if I get food poisoning, I'll be alright. But it's like when you're feeding it to kids and, like, mine drink fucking gallons of the stuff Mhmm. It's different, isn't it? It's to be like like, if if I made their meal, I'd never forgive myself. I'd be like, oh, you come. They were fine. They would have been fine just having pasteurized. Yeah. Okay. It doesn't have quite as much vitamin c and whatever globulin thing and whatever.
But, like, they're growing fine and they're healthy and they're getting their protein and, like, getting some nutrition through this. And now I've gone and changed things, and now they're ill. I think that would be my concern. So I'd I would like to know and it's difficult as well because it's like with things like this, you're in between a rock and a hard place because you've got the Bitcoiners who are so fucking sure that they're right on everything.
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Mhmm.
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And, usually, they're a lot more right than the average person. And, usually, they're more right than doctors and bankers and politicians and, like, all the people that most people listen to. They're usually right, and those people are usually wrong. But then because they're right on a few things, they think they're right about fucking everything. Oh, sure. Yeah. When there's such a push for, like, everyone needs to be absolutely carnivore and only raw milk and all this stuff. And then on the other side, you've got, like, the doctors and stuff who'd say that's really dangerous. My guess is it's, like, somewhere in the middle, and it'd just be nice to know actually how likely is this, what is the danger, And then what are the benefits? Because it's like, if you're not lactose intolerant anyway, so you can drink milk anyway, and you're having organic milk from a good source, like, how much better are you gonna be with raw milk? Is it like you're gonna drink this and it's like one glass gives you 5 times more nutrients? Or is it like One glass have some Yeah. No. It it will give you
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much more, nutrients. You know, they save You you already have More than much.
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Like, I I don't like
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much. Much much more. Like, an extreme amount more nutrients. Like, 100 of percent? I didn't look that part up, Max.
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Yeah. This is the things that I would like to know. My gut feeling tells me that because it has been the natural way for such a long time, and humans have done this for such a long time, it is most likely that it is more healthy. Mhmm. I'm on that side. I just like to know numbers and stuff so that I can make a decision on it. Because when you make a decision for yourself, it's different to making it for a family, and you don't wanna be the cunt that which is why with all the vaccine stuff and all that, I spent disgusting amount of times going going into it all and learning it all. Well, like, at the beginning, I was like, I'm just not fucking doing it. And that would have been enough for me. But then you have to do it for everyone else, and that's a completely different ballpark.
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Mhmm. If I were to tell you so so let's take some numbers here and say vitamins a, c, and e. And raw milk has I'm gonna make up these numbers. Okay? A 1000 micrograms of a, c, and e. And pasteurized milk has 100 micrograms of a c and e. So we had, you know, 10 times. What if we took the pasteurized milk and just crumbled up a Flintstones vitamin in it? Would it be just as good as the raw milk? Probably not. Normally, natural things are better. Yeah. So we but but you're you're not accounting for things that are in the raw milk besides vitamins and minerals. You know? That's how we're so conditioned to see food is calories, vitamins, and minerals, but you can't see probiotics.
You can't see digestive enzymes. You can't see that that the profile of the proteins is different. The profile of the calcium is different. It actually hardens the calcium, and you're not able to digest the calcium. So you think you're getting stronger bones from milk because you've been told that by the milk board forever. Well, not so much if you are drinking pasteurized milk because the calcium is now hardened because of the heating process. So it's the bioavailability of all these vitamins and nutrients and enzymes and probiotics that your body can easily digest it, and it's ready to go and be metabolized.
Does freezing kill off the probiotics? That's a good question. Yeah. I would say I would say no. You know, freezing tends to suspend things and heat tends to kill things. I just wondered if it might be that it doesn't necessarily damage the probiotics
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and stuff, but it might kill the listeria.
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You know, let's go back to the, like, fact that grass fed cows have more natural rumen environment in their stomachs and the the acidity levels there. So since they're not as acidic, the grass fed cows tend to just carry less E coli to begin with. Okay. So if it's it's in a clean environment, the E. Coli risk is is a lot less, and the E. Coli that it produces, the strains are not as powerful. So your body is capable of dealing with E. Coli because of the the stomach acid environment that you have. Mhmm. Since we're omnivores and able to digest proteins because of a relatively high stomach acid content, you're probably okay versus a cow who's got pretty low stomach acid content, especially a grass fed cow. So, you know, I think in this, you're like siding with the industrialists or you're not thinking about the history that we reviewed. That's why I wanted to go over it so much to let people know that, hey, you know, we have been living with these animals in the in these environments and consuming their milk for 1,000 and 1,000 of years and nobody thought this a particular health risk.
But now that we are expected that everything has to be so sterile as if we've existed in a sterile environment throughout all of our evolution, and and we have not. We're capable of dealing with E. Coli. But when it's been, like, supercharged with industrial processes, with processes that we have not evolved with, we haven't evolved with We haven't evolved with cows on grass fed diets and industrial dairy operations. So because we haven't, now you have to introduce another industrial process and that being of pasteurization.
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Yeah. I mean, you know, like I say, I'm I'm certainly not. I'm certainly more on the side of it sounds logical that you would have it. I would just like to see some sort of numbers. Like, I I know people who have had raw milk for years years years years years years, and they're absolutely fine. There's no problems. So, like, just looking at it that way, I'd be like, yeah, I'd be fine. But it would just be interesting. There are still listeria, you know, recorded listeria and E coli outbreaks within pasteurized milk. Okay. So that process doesn't always kill it. I would say it would always kill it, but there might be something else in the,
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dairy process where it can be reintroduced
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back into it. Okay. Can you get it from cheese?
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Can you get e coli and listeria from cheese? I imagine you can get it from just about anywhere. Okay. I didn't look into raw cheese, but I do I do get raw cheese from from the Amish. We go to Sugar Creek, Ohio and go to the cheese chalet and load up on cheese. Raw cheese. Nice. Have
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you ever had a raclette? No. What's that? So good. It's, it's like a Swiss cheese, and they're like they have a huge half wheel of cheese, and they bring it over to your table. And you've got, like, new potatoes, and you've got, like, ham and all different things. And then they have this, like, heater, which heats up, like, this whole massive thing of cheese, and they just get a scraper and just scrape this massive thing of, like, melting cheese onto your plate. It's It's a bit like a fondue, but it's kind of like, bit different, and it's delicious.
Fondue will do.
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Well, you may not be convinced, but I was convinced that raw milk is right for me and, right for my family. Actually, the only one that that drinks it is,
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the youngest one. She's the only one that's down with it. The other ones don't like milk. Oh, they don't like milk at all? Not really. In cereal, that's about it. I think I'll try it. I I like I think a lot of it comes down to a trust thing. I think if I knew a farmer, like, for example, like, if Joel was knocking about in England and he was like, hey, mate. Yeah. Come around. Come see the cows, whatever. Let's see the place. This is what we do with the milk. This is how it works. I see it's all clean and good and nice. And I'll be like, oh, I can just buy it off you and you'd be like, yeah. Cool. Then I would be like, okay. I kind of understand what this is. But, like, going on some little website in the UK and then going to some little farm and then chucking some notes to a farmer, and then he gives me some milk. I'm just like, I don't know the fuck you are. I'm not sure any any farmer there. You know, do you want you want to get closer to your food source?
Why is Aldi's any better? You get milk at Aldi's, but where does that milk come from? Who's that for? You don't. We go high end for the milk. Oh, okay. Because it's my boy drinking it. Like, I go for the most expensive organic. Like Mhmm. We proper
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ball out when it comes to milk. It it so let's go back. I mean, this is probably just gonna be an episode on raw milk, I think. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Well well, it opens up a lot a lot of other conversational topics. What is organic? Who certifies organic?
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The organic mafia. Yeah.
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Exactly. And and can they be grain fed organic? Is that okay? Is that part of the organic requirements? Good question. Probably. Because grain fed cows have a different stomach acid environment, and E. Coli is more able to grow in their guts and adapt and survive in their guts than grass fed. So is it organic and grass fed milk? And then if it's organic and grass fed milk, well, then that's a pretty good environment. So why wouldn't you trust that? Probably everything else is on the up and up, and now you get the benefit of, you know, more enzymes. It's more digestible, it's more bioavailable to your child to break down the calcium and the proteins and, and, you know, nourish their little bodies with it.
Let me ask you this. When you eat a steak, do you cook the living shit out of it? Yes. No. You don't. You fucking liar.
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No. I go for I go for medium rare, usually. Alright. I have rare sometimes, but it depends on the steak.
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Does well done steak taste good to you? That tastes like shit. And I would say that's because all of the tastiness and why are things tasty to us? Well, they're supposed to be tasty to us because they provide us with nutrition.
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And so you don't wanna cook out all of the nutrition from from a steak. Does that happen when you do it well done? Do you cook out the nutrition? Yeah. I think so. Okay. I just sent you raclette, by the way. A little image. Alright. Saw the best image. It'll give you an idea.
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Oh, woah. Yeah. Why don't we have this? It's fucking epic. Oh, I need this in my life. It's such a nice cheese as well.
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Like, it's just it is delicious. And so, like, if you go to a restaurant where they do it, they just they bring that huge block of cheese and just scrape it onto the plate, and you just nice new potatoes and ham and things. It's fucking amazing. Anyway Thanks a lot. I'm hungry now as well. Yeah.
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Quite. My recommendation to you, Max, is to do what I did. And I know you're pressed for time. And on the weekends, you're trying to do all this dad family stuff. And during the weekdays, you're editing and working on the show and Mhmm. And trying to work out and such. But I think it could be a good family weekend for you guys is to see if you can find a local farmer. Those kind of people love to do show and tell. They're very proud of what they do, especially, you know, some of the regen ag permaculture people around here. The one that I work with, if she's got time, she'll talk all day about rotationally grazing the cows or grass fed, what chickens they're getting, what turkeys are coming in, the hogs are coming in. They love talking about that stuff. Just open up a dialogue with somebody at the farmer's market and find somebody you can build a relationship with to not only get milk, but to get other sources of food for the home. And And I know this stuff tends to be expensive, and this is something I want to talk about when we do our Pleb Merchant Minute is while sometimes Barnes beef jerky is expensive compared to a bag of beef jerky that you can get at the gas station.
Otis Bittmeyer's coffee might be a little bit more expensive than the coffee you get at Aldi's. But is there a portion of your family food budget where you're willing to purchase high end things because you know the producer of them or you know the quality of the food itself. You know, in my opinion, I overpay for for the raw milk, but I'm perfectly okay with overpaying for the raw milk because I think it helps build a permaculture and regenerative agriculture community where I live. I don't want that to die. I'm okay with overpaying for some of this stuff. If I were rich, I would probably get all of our chicken and turkeys and pork products from this farm.
Mhmm. Raw milk. You know, I I've got the meat and eggs thing secured myself, but I would probably do more of it. Milk's not an expensive item. It's
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even if you pay double, you know, like, it's like if I go to, like, Waitrose, which is posh, we're all, like, the boomers that don't work, who have got, like, cushions. Yeah. And they're just, like, fucking around in the way. Those ones who are, like, spending the money, that's where they go. Waitrose. Or Marks and Spencer, one of the 2. And if you go there and you buy the most expensive option, you get, like, I don't know, like, 2 liters of milk. It's, like, 3 quid or something. Okay. 2 quid. It's not quite so if someone was like, oh, you know, that'll feed your kid for the next 3 days, and it's it's an extra 50% or a 100% more. I'm like, well, it's not. We'll survive. Like, we can do that. Mhmm. But if it's like 10 x, then maybe it'd be like, oh, not sure about that. I pay $7 a gallon for this raw milk. Gallons what? 5 liters. Gallons 5 liters.
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That's about what I pay. Okay. Yeah. That's about what I pay. I think milk must be cheaper here than if I were to get that's, you know, just the Aldi's milk, I think you're probably talking about $2.53 a gallon. I don't do the shopping, obviously. Okay. And then I used to get this milk from a local dairy that was pasteurized, but it wasn't homogenized. It was just really good. They call it cream lined milk. And maybe the maybe the name of it was really good. Here we get the unhomogenized
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thing different, isn't it? Yeah. And that was
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about $4 a gallon. A little bit more expensive, but it was a it was a local dairy, and they seemed like good people, and the milk was really good. And then when I got the price for this raw milk and by the way, there's only two choices here. I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna eat it. That's gonna be one of my luxury items. I don't smoke. Don't really have any vices. These extra things that I spend money, you know, that normal people spend money on, I don't go to McDonald's. I don't do any of that. I mean you see what I eat every day. I eat eggs and steak and milk, you know, so this is a big part of my food budget is that and since I live that kind of simple lifestyle where I don't really have too many vices, I I feel it's okay to splurge on that treat yourself. Yeah. I don't think that's expensive either. I'm just looking now.
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Dutchy organic, unhomogenized whole milk. That's what we buy, and that is 99 p a liter. So 5 quid is 5 quid a gallon, which is about $7. It's about the same. Oh, wow. I think your milk prices are expensive over there then. Well, no. I mean, this is this is what I'm saying. It's like the most wine pee expensive. Yeah. If you're like, I was just like, what what can I get the boy that's, like, good? And I'm like, I'll just give him the best milk that I can get in the shops, and that's the one. And so you're not paying, like, ridiculous money. I'd be interested to see if you couldn't get a hold of somebody local that produces raw milk and have a conversation with them. And I think if you I'm sure I can. You would get over this hump. I think if it weren't if it weren't for the kids, if I just said to you, hey, you should probably switch you'd be like, oh, yeah. Okay. Whatever. Yeah. Well, I'd also have time to go and do that as well. I'd go, yeah. Okay. And you'd say, well, you just have to go to a farm and speak to a human being and shake their hand and do these things and pass them slave notes. And I'd go, yeah. Okay. I'll just do that tomorrow then. Yeah.
But it's time.
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You're you're also a a very, very protective dad. Like, you you consider a lot a lot of these things, and I do too. And I'd I'd say, most people do. Just needs to be, like, a extra level of caution for you. Yes. Well, get out get over it. Yeah. You little bitch.
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They're replaceable anyway. You just make more of them. Just make more of them. You learn that by now.
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Before we move on to basically wrap up the show, because we talked about raw milk for an hour, it's fine. Listen. If if if people are used to listening to these PMM shows, you know, it's just gonna be more free thought, and we're gonna go down different rabbit holes if we want to go down that because we're under no obligation to talk about anything else besides what we want to talk about. Mhmm. I I wouldn't I'm just thinking about this this hesitancy. You're really better off looking for grass fed raw milk than grain fed pasteurized milk. Just from the true. The stomach acid thing, like where e coli and listeria can grow in what environment, And it's more likely to grow in a grain fed cow, and most of your your dairy cows are probably more grain fed than they are anything else. So I I'm just curious as to why that that doesn't trip you up more than anything else. Like, oh, shit. I can't believe my kids have been drinking grain fed cow milk.
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Because everybody has it, and their kids aren't, like, shitting themselves to death.
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Neither are raw milk neither are raw milk consumers.
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You don't have to defend raw milk with me. I'm not, I'm not, like, coming for raw milk or it's, enjoyers. I'm just making sure. Do my due diligence. Like Yeah. I've spent enough time where I've had food poisoning and fucked myself up from traveling and stuff, and I'm like, it's fine. I just shit myself for 3, 4 days. It's fine. I've got a really good technique for it, which is that you actually lie because you know if you get bad food, you're, like, sweating, you're too hot, you're too cold Yeah. And then you're vomiting and shitting. Sure. So what I like to do is just lie in the bath, and then I'll just vomit and shit myself and then just shower myself down. When it's really bad, that's the way to go. Okay. Yeah. I What I'm saying is I'm I'm not concerned. Like, I can deal with that stuff.
It's just different with kids. Sure. But you know what's, happened after this discussion? I've gone and poured myself a, a glass of unhomogenized organic wanky dutchy milk. And I I I don't think I've drank a glass of milk for I think I've ever drank it. I I would never do this, but I'm doing it now sort of in your honor for the show. So I'm gonna try some now. Cheers.
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Yeah.
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Instant food poisoning. Yeah. It's average. I don't know that I like the unhomogenized thing. This is a bit lumpy, isn't it? Well, you're supposed to shake it up. Yeah. I did do that. It's a little bit that's not bad. See, you know how they homogenize something. Shake it up? They actually
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spray the milk high pressure through these nozzles, and it shatters the fat globules. That's how homogenization works. Shattering
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fat globules. Someone needs to homogenize me. Hey, you. Hey.
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I think you're onto something. Any other questions or doubts before we move on?
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No. I think, you shield it quite well. I think it's good. I'd I would like some numbers from you one day. Yeah. I I can get those I can get those for you. I I just thought the generalization
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of its, nutrient rich in iron, zinc, calcium, vitamins a, c, and e Mhmm. Immunoglobulins, digestive enzymes, and that the, bioavailability of the proteins and calcium is is much better. Mhmm. You can break it down. What are you gonna do with this sterile the sterile milk? Well, I'm gonna drink it and then
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piss it out later, I guess. Alright.
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I I just think it it's it's so strange how, I don't know, post medical revolution where we, you know, in, invented the microscope and we saw the germ. And we said oh shit we can't have that we must sterilize absolutely everything and I guess that was good for surgical hospitals once they realized that they needed a sterile environment when they're they're Sandy. They're busting open your natural barriers to the outside world. It helps. But as far as consuming foods goes, I I think we lost our way by by thinking that all of our food has to be sterile. Well, it's not just that. I think the bigger
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issue I would have is, like, when you lived in smaller communities and you you literally knew your farmer because you drink with him down the pub. Yep. Or, you know, you'd see him knocking about or at church or whatever. You would know him and you go either, I trust that bloke. He'd do a good job because I, like, buy his milk and, you know, he's gonna have a hard time down the pub if we're all shitting ourselves because of his milk. So he's gonna do a good job. But because we're so disconnected from it, and that's just what we're used to, I think, you know, that trust of, like, well, you're doing something here that, like, isn't suggested. You've gotta sort of go out of your way to do it. You've gotta just it's just the time of, like you know, if I knew if I knew a farmer, like I said with Joel, it's totally different. I'd just bell them. I'd just go, look, mate. Can you just hook me out with some milk? I said, use some sass. And they go, yeah. Cool. Done. Right. That's it. End of. Like, I wouldn't have any more issues.
But I don't have that. So I've now got to go out of my way to fuck around to do it, which might be worth it. It sounds like it is.
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So the you know, you have your certified organic system. And like we mentioned previously, you know, those two camps of that Nathan Strauss guy from Macy's versus the Henry Coit people from the medical milk commission. Is there some sort of group of people that are willing to go out and inspect these things and give their like industry or trade union stamp on the raw milk? Like do you trust that group of people? Probably not. Alright. Well, then as far as The set of food drives milk, do you do you still trust in England,
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Wales, and Northern Ireland? It can only be sold directly to the consumer by registered milk production farms, opens in a new window at the farm gate, a farmhouse catering operation, farmers, blah blah blah blah blah. Food standards agency. BBC.
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Is raw milk a superfood or a dangerous fad? Let's see what the whatever the BBC is wrong. Yeah. Sure. You do the exact opposite. Raw milk. Back to The Ladies Home Journal.
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Does drinking is raw milk safe? Salmonella, E coli, Listeria, and campylobacteria. Pasteurized milk was the cause of 12 outbreaks during the same 25 year time. 12. Nothing. Representative FSA. Doesn't really doesn't really say they're a bit on the fence, to be fair. The BBC here. Oh, in England and Wales, raw milk is sampled and tested 4 times a year by hygiene inspectors. The farms were inspected twice a year, and the herd must be healthy and free from wrong pulosis and tuberculosis. Yeah. We have a bit of problem with tuberculosis around here. It's the badgers, apparently.
Yeah. Apparently, they carry it. I don't know if it's true. Who's that guy? Fucking with them. I like badgers. My, my dog made friend with the badger. Adorable. Yeah. We went out, and my dog's not he's like hench, but he's not that big. Badgers are fucking hard animals. Sure. Like, really tough. I went out one night. I was just, like, calling him and calling him. He wasn't coming in. And then I went out with a torch. I was, like, looking. I was like, where the fuck is he? And then I, like, shine the torch. Oh, there he is. I was like, come on. In, mate. And then I was like, hang on a second. I was a fucking badger. And then I did the torch slightly to the left, and they were just nose to nose, just like staring into each other's eyes, just like completely calmly, and then they just came in. Wow. Yeah. It was really nice. Got a photo somewhere. I have a very similar story. When we had a dog here, I had a boxer
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named Jack. Great dog. Great dog. I I love him. I think about him every day. That's how much I I love and and miss that dog. But we would just let him out. He just kind of roamed around with chase deer, disappear for an hour, come back all lathered up, sleep for a day. So one time he's doing his thing out back, and he sees a groundhog. And he chases the groundhog, backs it up against a tree, pisses on it, and then just trots his way back up the hill and into the house. And that groundhog was just sitting there like, what the fuck just happened to me?
Oh, that's class. That's my boy, Jack. I love boxers. They're such sweet dogs. What do you how do you feel about clipping their ears?
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I don't really know. It's we've never had any of our dogs clipped or anything. I don't know. I haven't looked into it. Alright. Frenchies don't need their ears clipped. They just Yeah. They're just naturally up there. Yeah. Did you have yours done, the boxer? I did. Yes. Because I they look like they have Down syndrome if you don't clip their ears.
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I didn't want a down syndrome dog. Match with you, mate.
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Bugdog. What is it they say? You look like your dogs. Yeah. That's why I had to have them. I look exactly like a a small
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stocky little thing that shits on the kitchen floor and snores. That's you. That's how I imagine you. That's exactly how I am. Let's wrap the show up. Let's, talk about our sponsors and and get the hell out of here. Yeah. Let's get them out of the way. I'm not even I'm just get them out of the way. I'm not even gonna play their, their intro theme songs. It doesn't fit the tone of the show that we just recorded. Bifrost Manufacturing. I love them. That's it. That's the ad read. I bet they drink raw milk. I would say that they probably would drink raw milk and eat grass fed beef from a farmer that they know. As a matter of fact, Aaron, the owner of Bifrost Manufacturing, has a buffalo hookup.
Oh. That motherfucking sasquatch is eating buffalo meat. Tell me that isn't some badass shit. That is cool. Can you get buffalo milk? I don't know. That's a great question. Or do they have buffalo cheese, but that's that's like buffalo. That's not, that's not from buffalo. Different. Yeah. Yeah. We'll ask him. Nobody from the United States is gonna pronounce anything. Buffalo. That's that's especially from Pittsburgh. That's buffalo cheese. Buffalo cheese is good.
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Good. What do they do up there other than just eating buffalo? They do any work? They certainly do work.
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3 d printing and printing in general is a big feature because they're willing to go out and buy all these crazy machines that nobody else can afford. Mhmm. They're like, yep. We'll buy that. We're not doing normal 3 d printing on, things that require high precision. We can go beyond normally be plenty of ability to do 3 d printing they even can even make their own filament, but when you need some kind of high precision components perhaps for the aerospace industry which is very robust, they can do that. They have the ability to print in what's it called? Let's see if you remember this from the last episode. What's that printing printing method called?
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Yeah. I remember we talked about it, but I can't remember. Was it like p e v or p
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I can't remember now. There were letters in it, so I'm I'm glad you you remember that. So I I will go over all of their 3 d printing capabilities. They have DMLS and that is the the metal powder printer. So when they say they have a metal printer and they're one of the few manufacturing organizations around that have this metal printer or the ability to do that, that is called DMLS. They also have SAF and SLS printers. That's polymer powder. Mhmm. And SLA, that's the one that we talked about last week. Yeah. That's the the resin printer where as it prints, it sprays something else on top of the resin. It hardens it. It's got a very high-tech camera that constantly examines the print to make sure that it's, homogenized.
Yeah. Maybe they'll get into the homogenization
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industry. I don't know. If you want anything building and you want it done properly and you want people who accept Bitcoin and think like us Yeah. And aren't can't,
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They fix stuffs. They create stuffs. That works. They'll do it all for sats. Yeah. They'll do it all for sats. You can reach them at their website bifrost manufacturing.com.
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Oh, one more time, buddy. One more time. Bifrost
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manufacturing.com.
[01:26:08] Unknown:
Doesn't get any better than that. It does not. Here at Ungovertable Misfits PMM, we are also sponsored by altairtech.io.
[01:26:20] Unknown:
Also a raw milk enjoyer? Yes. Is that so? Yeah. And when they're not drinking raw milk, the shipping miners Indeed. Is one of the 2. Mhmm.
[01:26:31] Unknown:
Especially miners that can heat your home. Winter is coming. We already have a chill in the air. I think our low tonight is going to be just a few degrees above freezing. So I'm actually worried about my tobacco plants if I have to cover them or not. After I get off of this recording, I'm gonna look that up to see if I have to cover my tobacco plants. You've got tobacco plants. Who do you smoke? Why is this tobacco plants? I don't smoke. I just wanted to grow them. You know, I was inspired by, Dick Reeser and all of his cigarette smoking. And he was always talking about KYC cigarettes and KYC free cigarettes, and I said shit, I'll grow my own fucking KYC free cigarettes.
Ungovernable motherfucker. Will you consider just having, like, making one cigar or doing something? Just having a I don't think I have the skill set to make a cigar. But I can probably, like, shred it up. They're supposed to use, like, a pasta shredder. This is true. This is what people do. You know, they dry it out and they use a little cheap, you know, spinny pasta shredder, and that's how you shred up the tobacco. Or you could, like, roll a blunt, like, use the the tobacco leaves. Yeah. I'm gonna roll a really shitty blunt. I don't smoke weed either. What am I supposed to do with all this stuff? I haven't. The process goes a greaser had said to me, he said, oh, I think it's a really long process to dry tobacco. And I'm like, why?
It's just a fucking leaf. I think you should probably take about 6 weeks. Which it does take 6 weeks, but then you have to ferment the tobacco to really bring out all the flavors and to bring down the tannins and let the the carbohydrates break down into sugars and let the proteins break down into amino acids. And it's a whole science to it so that you have to ferment it for additional bioavailability of nutrients from the tobacco.
[01:28:19] Unknown:
Okay. It's natural. No chemicals. Their,
[01:28:23] Unknown:
cigars don't Let me ask you something. Is it dangerous for me to smoke this KYC free tobacco because there isn't some FDA approved inspecting team seeing if if the the health and safety that there's no mold in my tobacco.
[01:28:38] Unknown:
I would say no because you said you're gonna put it through the mixer, the coin join pasta shredder. Pasta shredder, and that's gonna do it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's gonna be no trace to know if it was or KYC or non KYC. They're not gonna know. Alright. So I think this should be covered. I just wanna make sure it's safe, and I have a government inspector who's who's letting me know whether I can come. You'd love it if I just went, oh, yes, John. Oh, if you say that raw milk is good, I won't ask any questions. Oh, no. I don't want any stats. Oh, no. Thank you. Just your word is is all I need. Wait a minute. I had tons of fucking stats. I just didn't have the percentages of of,
[01:29:17] Unknown:
vitamins and minerals in it Yeah. Versus versus, cooked milk. We won't cover that for granted yet. Milk cooked, please, daddy government? Cook my milk. Make it safe. I'm scared. People have been drinking milk for 1000 of years. I don't care about Yamnaya.
[01:29:36] Unknown:
If you're smoking non k y c, either cigarettes or blunts with your milk, it's gonna cook it anyway. You're gonna have enough heat there that it's gonna get the listeria right out of there. So Fuck. That's the middle ground. It's just when you are having some raw milk, if you are worried, smoke a blonde with it.
[01:29:58] Unknown:
Alright. You know what you could do is heat up your milk with 1 of altertech. Io's Oh. Lokey rigs, which are the bit chimney space heater and the or lacquer build. I'm a big fan of this new Bit Chimney space heater because he designed it last year and it was 3 d printed. And I think a lot of this 3 d printed stuff looks goofy and shitty. And we talked about that a lot when we first got Bifrost Manufacturing as a sponsor To say that you have a ton of ideas in your head and hopefully now that you are full time that you'll be able to bring these ideas to fruition. And it's pretty cool you've got somebody like Bifrost Manufacturing that can make that Altair with this bit chimney.
Altair. Fuck. I'm still doing it. I'm still doing it, Max. It's that raw milk, mate. It is. Altair. Raw milk. Altair came out with that bit chimney last year. Great design. You know, the whole the whole Loki thing, what Zap Bombsta did, enabling us to take a lot of these miners and converting them over to 120. He did that. It's real slick. It stands upright, brings the cool air from the bottom, spits out some hot air at the top. It was 3 d printing, and he thought to himself, this looks 3 d printed, and I don't want that. I want super high quality coming out of everything from Altair Tech. So he said, taking it off of there. I'm redoing it. Now he has, what do they call it, an aluminum extruded case. Mhmm. So it it feels like a real manufactured
[01:31:32] Unknown:
product, not just some and this is no insult to anybody that does the 3 d printing stuff, but it's not just some pleb product. Yeah. I have to say I'm I'm not a massive fan of all the plasticky stuff. If you have this in your home, it's nice to have it looking and feeling quality, like a like a something that you'd go into a shop and buy, and that's what this is. It looks like a proper appliance.
[01:31:54] Unknown:
Mhmm. Currently, they're on sale at alteratech. Io anywhere from 13.99 to 19.99. The 13.99 model is the Bitchimney s 19 k pro. If you want a little bit better efficiency there, you can get a Bitchimney s 21, and these are these are single board builds here, and that is $2,000 If you go on to alteritech.io/products/bitchimney, be sure to use when you check out our promo code which is Ungovernable. Alteritech.io. The bit chimney, use promo code Ungovernable.
[01:32:29] Unknown:
Also worth saying that everything that they sell is grass fed and organic.
[01:32:33] Unknown:
Indeed. There you go. It's got the right rumen acid environment. Mhmm. Not doing any grain fed or lacquers. And finally, to Ryan round out our sponsors, we have the Lake Satoshi Beach Retreat. And, no, I'm not playing a Bob Seger song. I could sing one for you. In Lansingburg, Michigan next year, August 2, 2025. This will probably be the same deal where most everything happens on the Saturday. The normal flow is a lot of people are getting there on Fridays, spending the night talking to people, hanging out, maybe not getting too partied up that Friday night because Saturday is a full day of events.
You have the event space that's at the beginning of Lake Satoshi. You have different vendors there. You have all kinds of educational talks. It's neat because super plebby people come. People really, really deep into Bitcoin. And then a lot of the local Michigan meetup scene people who are are just, you know, on the periphery of Bitcoin come. So it it's a good place to interact with people that, you know, may have questions about Bitcoin and are afraid to ask. Well, now you've got about 50 plebs who are dying to talk to you about Bitcoin, who are dying to talk to somebody that wants to hear them talk about about freedom and sovereignty and and sound money. And that creates a a great environment because it isn't just super plebby people, it's open to people who are just generally curious about Bitcoin and freedom and sovereignty and being a part of this community.
[01:34:05] Unknown:
The best event you could get yourself to. It's certainly the most
[01:34:10] Unknown:
mesh to Dell type event, and the more and more we talk about it, it just seems like there'll be one more person that says, you know what? I gotta come to this thing. You guys have been talking about it for 2 years. So many of the the the people that are involved in the mesh to del and involved in ungovernable misfits are part of this core Michigan meetup scene. There's some of the the most active ungovernable misfits in our little crew. Mhmm. And there people are starting to be convinced that this is the real event. Fuck the Bitcoin conference and Bitcoin Magazine and any of these other events in Las Vegas or Miami or Pacific Bitcoin.
Anything like Lake Satoshi is the real deal. And guess what? It's only $21.
[01:34:56] Unknown:
I think Pacific Bitcoin was quite a good one, wasn't it? Had a wave machine there. Was that right? Super plebby. Well, of course, super pleb, Corey Klieppenstein,
[01:35:05] Unknown:
is there. And as the bugle told us, he is the plebiest of all plebs. Did you like my artwork with, my swan that had a, tattoo of pleb on it? I saw that. It's very thoughtful. Yeah. It's a nice touch, wasn't it? It was indeed. Well, Max, that wraps up our raw milk episode.
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2 hours of raw milk talk.
[01:35:28] Unknown:
We had, we had so much on the list, but, yeah, there we are. You people wouldn't fucking believe it if I told you. Hey. You want you know what? I'm gonna go back in the show notes, and I'm gonna tell everybody all of the show prep that I did for just this one show. We did one thing, and it's now midnight where you are.
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Lovely Jubbly.
[01:35:54] Unknown:
That's it, sir. Thanks everybody for listening to this episode of PMM where we talk about milk. You didn't think it could be done. 2 hours of milk talk? Uh-uh. We already milked that one.
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One?
