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Did you look at what I planned on talking about? Nope. Alright. I'm just gonna raw dog it. And, look, I'm what I'm doing now is I'm actually pressing
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one hour Okay. On the timer. Three Oh, man. Two, one. Start.
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One hour. We've never done this in our entire lives. What? Getting under an hour? Never. No fucking way. No. We did an episode called waste an hour with John and Max. Mhmm. I'm curious as to what how long that one was. Probably, like, three hours. Waste an hour or or abouts. Well, let's do it. Let's stop the jaw jack, and let's just go right into the fucking show.
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We will say Big banks. Banks. Income tax, VAT.
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The Illuminati elite, cultural Marxism, critical theory. You are nothing. You are nothing to me.
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Oh, nothing. You are nothing to me. Oh, do you think so? You're right. You say sponges. Useless, fudge. You are nothing to
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me. Potty language. Don't hang up. We're not gonna say cunt on your show anymore. Nope. You're not. Ever If you sense it, I get a little button.
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Every time I feel,
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no, you fuck it.
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Apple. Yeah.
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Good luck. As nothing crashes, you're less likely to say the c word. Can't you guys do something about the curse? People ask that. All the time. Yeah. They want a clean show. Not gonna happen. There's a lot of other clean shows out there. That is true. A lot of goody goody shows. Listen, look who we're up against. Big Pharma, Big Banks, the Illuminati elite. You're not gonna win with kind words with those folks.
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No. And they're descriptive. It's descriptive words. They are cunts.
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Mhmm. Mhmm. Call it as you say it. What else? Disgusting
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pedophilic Yeah. Leeches Mhmm. Burden on society. Should have been a wank.
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Oh, man. That's really good. I have never used that one of them. Well, they were all made in a in a lab somewhere. Lizard people or, Ben Gunn always calls me. A a lizard person? No. No. He he often texts me going, are you dead yet, you fucking abortion survivor? And I'm like, oh, charming. He's got a way with words. Yeah. Or crayon eater is the other one. Well, yeah. As as a as a former marine, I get that one a lot. Yeah. That's a pejorative amongst the rest of the US military to call marines crayon eaters, and we wear it proudly. Thank you very much. Yeah. Well, we may be crayon eaters, but we're all joined together in this fight against those who wish to oppress us. And this show is another tool in your toolbox to fight your oppressors.
It is PMM. Welcome to it. On this episode of PMM, we're gonna talk about our mesh economy idea a little bit more because it is starting to get fleshed out. Mhmm. The mesh is flesh.
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Write that one down. Write that one down. That's excellent.
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Solexporter. Oh, shit. I didn't do the alright. We're gonna have to figure something out for Solex's part because he recorded something for me. Can you believe that? I said, hey. I can't believe that. He went on a trip, a very plebe y, mesh to del type trip Mhmm. Up, up north, Northern Europe. I'm not gonna say where it was because I I don't know. I never fucking know. Up north, Arctic Circle, cold. So you figure it out. It could be, like, one of three countries up there. Went on a wonderful trip, and he wanted to share his experiences with me. And I said, hey. Hey, buddy.
Why don't you write that down? Oh, okay. I'll write that down. So he wrote that down, and I said, man, you know what would be really good? If you've recorded that because everybody loves your voice. You have such a great way of reading and acting and a fantastic accent that's so melodic and and beautiful, especially to us native English speakers. And he said, okay. I'll do it. And he did.
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Suckered that motherfucker right into doing something for us. How do you like that? Well, he's a man of his word as well. There aren't many of them out there, but you know when he says, yes. I will do it. You know it's gonna get done. A %. A problem. Coming right up.
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He did. He he, like, banged banged out the the writing, and I said, you should record this. Boom. An hour later. Here you go.
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I've got a little box at my feet for Soluxe.
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You do? Of stuffs. What's in the fucking box? What's in the fucking box?
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It's not a head. Oh, good. There's some good stuff for him, but, he's gonna have to probably come and pick it up. Oh, I don't see that happening.
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Yeah. This is gonna stay there.
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At my feet. Yeah.
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Forever. What else were you talking about? Oh, I went to to New York City. Hey. It's me. I'm it's John and Sarah. We're in New York. Let's go to a Broadway show. At Pub Key. At the Pub Key. Hey. I got a gun. Let's go to a Broadway show. We did that. Just whatever you do, you always go to a Broadway show. Yeah. With a gun. Okay. Don't say that kind of stuff. You'll scare people. They don't like that. They don't like gun talk. Anyway, I guess we gotta move on to this. Yep. Went to Pub Key, met some, meshadelians that we know, gave lots of hugs and shoulder shrugs because it's all because.
Having a great time with the bum bum bum bass load. First time at Pub Key. Pretty neat experience. I'll just talk about the the mesh Dell community side of things, not the John and baseload energy talk because we'll do that on our action news show. Okay. And, what else do I have on here? Oh, we'll talk about social capital. Okay. Alright. And let's get right into boosts. First boost up, we've got bugle.news hashtag forty hours per week headphones.
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We have established here, we're gonna interrupt this, that if you're recording a podcast, it's worth double. No. No. It's not double. We said that if you record one hour of podcast, that's forty hours per week. Oh, did we say that? Right? Forty to one. I'm pretty sure someone can go back. We said it a few weeks ago, and I was speaking to Q about it. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's that because that means I get my forty hours a weekend. Right. I heard you and Q talking about it. That's good enough for me. I mean, you know exchange. Right? So, in a month, you and I usually do about four to five hours of recording.
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Mhmm. And then to plan these shows, usually, not this show because, brother, it this show has been punted Mhmm. Right up in there. But, usually, I spend a whole day prepping the shows, writing stuff. So you get your forty hours per week right here, pal.
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You're doing at least eighty hours a week. You've already stepped things up. Well, why not? Well, thank you, Bugle News. They boosted us 21,212
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sats. It's a great episode. Thank you very much. Keep writing, John. Thank you very much, Bugle News. I I will keep writing. It means a lot coming from them as well. It does because they're good writers. Mhmm.
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I think it and say it, but it means nothing. It's like No. Who are you? No. You don't know how to fucking spell your name, you cunt. There's the first one. Beep. Oh. Mhmm. Gotcha.
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Rod Palma from Bugle News. Forty hours per week. Twenty one thousand sets. Set reminder to get Lake Satoshi tickets. Check mark. Do it. Everybody do it now. Just, get into a little bit of Lake Satoshi ad read. 08/02/2025, Lake Satoshi is on and popping. It's the mesh to del event of all mesh to del events. Let's let's just admit it. You got an international group of people coming there to hang out. So very good on you, Rod Palmer. Hope you did buy those Lake Satoshi tickets. Only $21. Only $21. How much does it cost for you to go to your cut freaking Bitcoin conference piece of shit Las Vegas show? 400, 5 hundred, something like that. Fuck you. Not happening. Ridiculous.
Up next, fundamentals with 21000¢. Sometimes I just boost because I like you. Aw. Aw. That's very sweet. Shucks. This time, it's because I want as many people as possible to get to hear you read your piece. I believe that was the,
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don't forget the struggle. Don't forget the streets. That was a good one. Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you for sharing that. It's really great work. Everybody has a price. Being ungovernable means making your price unreasonably high, and most people just can't do it. I, also really liked the song, the outro song that you sent. Oh, you did? Yeah. You were like, you know, it's just like an acousticky thing. You probably won't really like it, whatever, but it fits. And I was like, I actually really like it. I listened to it, like, 30 times in a row. Yeah. I really like it. Cool. Okay.
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One, you know, we played Neon Rust by Frank Carter and the Rattlesnakes. And you've told me before that that song means a lot to you for things that are going you know, that were happening in your life. And, I don't know. For some reason, it it just spoke to me too. Like, I I've really, attached myself to it as well. Great song. Yeah. Sharing is caring.
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I'll cover this one. I'll cover the cunts. Unpronounceable cunt. 20,000 sats. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for the explanation of the emojis. I must be stupid if I
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understand it any other way. I wish I could remember what the emojis were. Yeah. Me too. Me too. Thanks, Pohjanmes. Yeah. Thanks, mate. Pohjanmes. I will never not say Pohjanmes, Pohjanmes. You may have called yourself unpronounceable cunt. We know who you are, pal. We know who you are. Yeah. We know who you love. Thing. We do Alright, mister Shadrach. Shadrach, who I got to give give a big strong hug to, my man Shadrach, a pubkey, came for the event. It was great. I love that guy. He says great show, love, and smoking the cigarettes forty hours per week podcast. Thank you, mate. Chet,
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we must not become jaded. Love you, cunts.
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Alright. Wise words. Man, we've covered the cunts. Yeah. If there are any if I notice any more cunts in here, I will make sure that, we have you read it. Alright. Thanks. Gotta hit the sour mark. Late stage huddle, John, if I promise not to comment on what is a zine, can I please join your Star Wars nerd club? Yes. You can join my Star Wars nerd club. And now there were two. There are four of us in there. Thank you very much. Fucking hell. Next up is anonymous, ungovernable, choking, coughing, dying
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Cunts.
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Motherfuck. Show name is escalating. Max, I have a suggestion. Stop dying. Not to tell you what to do, but fuck me. Stop dying. Otherwise, great show, fellas. Keep punk rock unfashionable. Like the late sixties folks sold out to corporate America, so did most punk rockers, at least the ones that didn't die. You ever noticed how punk rockers all dressed alike? Not very independent, really. Universal independent thought? What the fuck is that? After the age of 35, the cell becomes tasty. Mhmm. It's a good boost. That's a great boost. It is a great boost. What you know, you know, you didn't start the show off coughing. We get a lot we get a lot of complaints about your fucking coughing. I could tell you that. Jeez. I wish I was sorry about it. Stop dying. Doing my best, mate. I'm
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I'm trying to get through things without dying. I write this line. It's like a bit of a knife edge constantly at the moment. Hey, man. Aren't we all? It's a metaphor for life.
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Oh. Anonymous says, love. Bit of hard. Thank you, anonymous. Bitpunk.fm. Hell, yeah. Stay punk. Very nice thoughts. The sellout spirit is alive and well in Bitcoin, sadly, but cheers to those running their own nodes. Cheers to those building communities and not followers. And cheers to those exploring ungovernable
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ideas. Cheers to That's fine. That is fine. Thank you, Peter. Selling out. That's fine. I don't sell out to anyone. As far as I wanna sponsor me.
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Chill out now says Booyah. The last John monologue on punk nails it. Fucking cipher cut cunts everywhere. Stay strong. Oh. Stay soft. Stay free. Yeah. Shit. I did I'm just the cunt just rolls off your tongue. Stay free. Make everything punk again. Yes, sir. We will. Dan, Fiat sucks. Dirty Jersey. Put these funds towards a cough button. There's no doubt. Just kidding. Y'all be good. Thanks. We'd be good. The funny thing is is that this motherfucker spends five, eight hours editing a podcast, leaves every fucking coffin there just to piss you guys off. Mhmm. I do. You're an asshole. Yeah. Next up, we got a Pis.
I'm a fucking retard. I've figured out how to use Nostr. Use twos. We'll get it eventually, laughing face. Very much laughing face. Yeah. Next, he says, I may just break my strict fuck New York City rule to come and see John at Pub Key. That's right. Badass Americans. Let's fucking go. He did not. Somebody else was supposed to come too, and he also did not. Miss, mister mister g, wants us to drive his car. From New York. His name, mister mister g? Yeah. Yeah. He's from New York. So we we were texting, and I said, we're here. And then it was, like, 10:00, and I said, I'm leaving now because I'm gonna go to sleep. I'm not a partier. But he's, like, up all night driving around New York City collecting recycling. So he's a night owl. I'm not my early bird.
Next up from pies is, I work outside in the freezing fucking cold and come home and work out and eat healthy. No excuses, motherfuckers. No pussy shit. Alright? I won't use the cold as an excuse. No more. That one's shit canned. I'm just gonna have to get over myself. Fomochronic boosted 1,000 in one set. And last, we have oh, not last. There's more. Oh, boy. Got, Montani. I forgot existed. Now I'm figuring how to do one. Talking to a good friend of ours, and, hopefully, he's gonna do, like, a limited edition zine here soon. Cool. That'd be cool. Boost from anonymous, somebody boosted forty hours per week. That's cool. Gene Everett.
There's still some real punks out there, but, yeah, many sold out. I think, Jordan had sent me that boost and said, Gene Everett actually said something nice to somebody. That's high praise. Alright. I'll take it. Thank you, sir. And, it was out of place pies one. Damn me. Max, you better fall back on Jordan. This is a threat. This is a threat that's threatening you right now. Alright? Yeah. Only a cunty fuck. There's another cunt. Only a cunt a cunt a Brit would say they would kick another man in the nuts. Mhmm. That's true. That's true. That is the
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an American's not gonna say that. Dirty move, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. The thing is, if I did try, Jordan's would be so far up and unaccessible because it's so cold in Canada that you're not actually gonna win. Do you know what I mean? It's like almost like wearing a box. They actually go investment. They actually go, like, up and inside because it's that cold, so they're protected. Oh, yeah. You you don't let them move. Kick. I would never actually kick Jordan in the balls. Even if I could, even if he wasn't in such cold climate, I would never do that. Yeah. I jest. I joke. So metaphorically
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kick him in the nuts. Yeah. No. I'd give him a cuddle. You know, I I when you want somebody to do something for you, I noticed that you're, like, sometimes overly nice. Hey, mate. You know, if you've got time, can you do this? It's like, well, yeah. No rush. All the time. All the time. You don't do it with me, but I've I've seen I've seen you do it with others. No. Because I just Two of them. Talk. I'm nice to you. Fuck off. I'm nice to you. And let's say you weren't nice, but you don't you don't need to, like, add this extra schmoozing in there. No. Hey. Listen, cunt. I need some help. And you go Yeah. Yes, sir. Right away. Yeah. No problem. Let's fucking do it. Okay. Moving on.
Let's talk about the trip to Pub Key. I've been traveling a lot lately, you know, and I don't like to travel. This is not my fucking thing. I had to go I had to go. Oh. I went to I went to North Dakota, you know, with the Bifrost manufacturing boys. Had to go fishing. I had to go fishing, and then I had to go pick up some gear in in West Virginia and go up a fucking mountain side and pick up a bunch of gear and come down the fucking mountain side with all this gear. You've seen the video there. Goat. It was it was a goat path. I saw a barn up there. Did you? Yeah. Was he helping you carry some things down? Hey. Well, I'll carry that. Put it on my back. Shrap it to me.
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Seth, the privacy's got a big problem with barn. Does he? The the Monero problem. Yeah. Well, no. No. He messaged me saying it's it's a major problem because he's doing some sort of keto or whatever, some sort of, like, diet thing. And then he's discovered Barnes Jerky, and he's like, fuck. I'm gonna have to spend all my money on this stuff. Yeah. I did see Seth for privacy.
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Kudos to Barnes Jerky. You said it's amazing. It is good. Yeah. I I took some to work, a a few months ago on one of my batches, and everybody's trying to tear into it. When are you getting that jerky again? I said, get the fuck out of here. When I picked up gear in West Virginia, then I went to New York. I got my gun. I went to a Broadway show. And then yesterday, I drove sixteen hours total to retrieve all of our clothing.
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You took one for the team in there, mate. You did take one for the team. You really took one for the team. That is a serious drive.
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You know, I didn't care until people started DMing me about, like, hey, what's up with the clothing? Ugh. My people are bothering me. Just kidding. Just kidding. I love everybody. We'll get you we'll get you your clothes. Don't worry about it. Did you,
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have some pods to listen to? How did you get through the sixteen hours alone? Oh, that's a that's a good question. Really just had my thoughts with me.
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No. I I watch, I just put Netflix on and just let it play. I get a zone out. I can't I can't if I think too much, it it becomes a problem. Netflix on? What are you Yeah. You're not watching The Road then? Well, yeah. I'm not I'm like, the phone's not in front of me. It's, like, in the the holder. I just listen. It's true. That's extremely retarded. Oh, yeah. I just put the show on. I just put the show on. I don't really give a fuck. I have to turn my brain off. You see? If it stays engaged the whole time, I'll I'll flip out. Okay. Like, if I don't if I don't have something to write, I, like, I can't write anything down. So listening to a book on if I listen to a book on tape, quite often book on tape.
An audiobook. If I listen to a a book on tape, like, I I tend to want to write things down about it. Yeah. Like, what do you want me to give you a tip? I I wanna look I wanna look that up. Yeah. Give me a tip. You've you've done a lot of top tier tip because I did a lot of driving. Tip. I would keep a voice recorder with me. And whenever I had thoughts that were important but I couldn't actually write them down because I was driving, I'd voice record it. And then at the end of the day, I'd make notes. Back, like, early two thousands, I had a a road I was on the road three hundred days out of the year. Mhmm. And, I would drive our territory oh, man. This can be bad.
I'm not used to recording this time of day. Our territory was, like Mid Atlantic Northeast. So sometimes I would drive from Ohio to to North Carolina, you know, and then jet back up to Maryland or something like that. And, I had a whole mess of books on tape in in my in my front seat. Like, you know, you would open up this plastic thing like an old, VCR case, and then have, you know, three or four tapes in it. I had a bunch of those. Back then, I could do it. But now I I don't really drive anymore. So Mhmm. Just let let me I don't have to work on self improvement all the time. We already perfect.
Boy, I wasn't there than I am now, so I don't have I don't need books on TV. How to win friends and influence people. Yeah. We'll crush that, you know, twenty something years ago. Now I'm just trying to zone out. I'm just trying to go pick the fucking stuff up. I don't have to stack functions all the time. Leave me alone. Okay. Like that. Okay. Off my ass. Alright. Motherfucker with your fucking life tips and shit. Showing up your ass.
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Touchy.
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A different guy when I worked all day long. Yeah. No. No. I'm good. I I love you. Thanks for the tip. You know what? If I ever get back on on the road, Max, I'm definitely gonna crush some books on tape and and, carry a recorder around with me.
[00:21:39] Unknown:
I'm sure you are.
[00:21:41] Unknown:
Really I really love that you've enlightened me with that idea. Okay. Alright. Alright. Anyway, is it enough that we can say, hey. We got some clothing back. We haven't done an inventory yet, but it was it filled up my truck. That's a that's a eight foot bed. A lot of shit. We've got some clothing back.
[00:22:04] Unknown:
So everyone who's been DM ing John and me and everyone else, like, it's coming. It's coming. And then I am in the background trying to make something work to get some more printing done. We just you know, it's gotta be done right. We're not doing shitty quality stuff. It's gotta be done right or not at all, so it's coming. We'll have it all on the site again very, very
[00:22:26] Unknown:
soon. There you go. It's official. Mhmm. We got some stuff. Good enough. Stuffs. Mhmm. But, anyway, I I believe I was talking about going to PubKey. You were. Yeah. For that. Twenty minutes ago. This is what happens when we try to to riff. Hey. We gotta get together real quick and do a fucking podcast. I know everybody's video. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let
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just on the phone. There's that man. Those are really some good fucking pods that came out of that stuff. Would. Especially when I have the trailer and I was doing, like, 50 miles an hour. Yeah. If I was doing, like, higher speed, the sound quality would be too shit. If I had the old trailer on oh, yeah. You had that one you had that one van with no air conditioning. So you'd be like, oh, it's so fucking hot in here, mate. I have to get off the phone. I have to roll the fucking window down. Well, yeah, it was it was windows down, can't hear anything, or windows up and literally fucking boiling.
Just die. It was it was just during that time where it was, like, 30 degrees in The UK, and I was bringing bottles of water that I'd put into the freezer the night before and then travel with them, and I'll just put them down my back or whatever just to try and cool down. It's fucking disgusting. Hey. If you have, more tips on how to stay cool in a hot vehicle, go ahead and boost us right now, everybody.
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I wanna do more radio show stuff like that. Anyway, Pupkeep was super cool. Sarah and I this has to be, Sarah goes with me kind of trip. You you know what I mean? Like, she doesn't wanna go to mining disrupt. Although she would love to go to Miami, she got nobody to hang out with. You're gonna be hanging out in this convention center with all your fucking nerdy ass friends, and then I'm just gonna go to the beach. Yeah. She probably would do that. If, actually, if we could get a babysitter, she would she would do that for sure. But a trip like this, just a a short jet over to New York City, which she really likes, and, go to more of a a hangout place like Pub Key is. She was down for that. This was a good Sarah trip. We fly in on Saturday, mill about town. We're, like, in Greenwich Village kind of area, which was cool for me because I wanted to see CBGBs and see what kind of you know, CBGBs is not there anymore, but just to see the place where it was was was kinda cool for me. There was a big Bad Brains mural next to it. I love Bad Brains.
Went into a couple shops, some punk shop, which wasn't very punk. It was like I don't know if you have these, Hot Topic or Spencer's. They used to be in malls. I don't know how they are. Yeah. I Spencer's in Hot Topic. I they would have, like, I don't know, wannabe goth kids in middle school. My child wants to be a goth. I don't fucking know. Yeah. But that that's what this shop reminded me of. It's just like going in, you know, to a mall or something like that. It it wasn't very it wasn't very authentic, but went around to a couple restaurants, got some sushi, got some pastries from this cool place.
Sarah liked this this hot pot thing, you know, where they've got some kind of boiling broth, and then you put your foods in there and then eat it out. Well, she's addicted to MSG. Like, she gets a high from it. When Sarah was a kid, you know, and and, her mom would give ramen noodles, she'd freak out. She'd, like, threaten to kill people, go on, you know, have a a whole shit fit. That's how you two met, isn't it? Yeah. She was high on MSG. Trying to kill people. You're like, this is the one for me. So there you know, I don't know how old she I think she's, like, three or four years old at the time. And, her grandmother saw an episode of Oprah that said, oh, MSG and allergies and kids, and your kids might be acting like this. And they were like, holy shit. Sarah's allergic to MSG.
And so they got MSG, and then she grew up to be a sort of, you know, well rounded adult. But we're at this hot pot place, and and she's eating it. And she's like, hi. I could see your eyes are, like, buzzing like she was all cracked out. It's like, that's the best fucking food I've ever had. Isn't it MSG that's in all the Chinese food? Yes. Yeah. So this is the hot pot place. It was like like an Asian hot pot kinda thing. And when I ordered the steak, and it was about the thinnest Steakums steak you've ever seen in your life. Mhmm. And they would give you as much as you wanted with the other stuff, but apparently steak wasn't they wouldn't replenish my steak. I only really want this, please.
Had a good night. Had some drinks at the hotel. Got up the next day, went to Pub Key, late morning, and, just hung out there. They have a recording studio right next door and upstairs. So Bass Lobos recording with his energy grandma, Meredith Angwin, who wrote the book Shorting the Grid, and they've got a really cute relationship. We'll talk more about the substance of what they talked about, but I just thought it was special for him. He had a huge smile on his face the whole time interviewing Meredith Angwin, calls her his energy grandma.
I just thought that was really sweet. You know, they they raft about the the energy industry and everything, but I I think they developed a a little sweet relationship. So that was nice. I got to meet Daniel from PubKey. They're trying to spin up more media stuff, and I think Daniel is is heading that kind of stuff up. So Mhmm. They have a podcast. You can listen to it. They've they've recorded our event on on Rumble. So if you wanna see what I look like and see what Baseload looks like, see what his energy grandma looks like,
[00:27:54] Unknown:
you can do that. We recorded it and streamed it live on Rumble, but you can still go back and watch it again. Correct.
[00:28:01] Unknown:
Nice. And, oh, I met fundamentals for the first time in person. I mean, we spent a lot of time talking on the phone, but that was the first time I actually gotta gotta get ahold of him. So that was nice. Met fundamentals and his daughter and a bunch of the Central PA people and, like, people from the Philly John. That's fun one of fundamentals meetups came. So Central And Eastern Pennsylvania were represented, and Sarah and I from Western Pennsylvania. So all of PA came to New York. Got to meet everybody, speak to everyone, and then fundamentals and bass load played some music for a while, jam band kind of stuff. Fundamentals told a joke or two. He used to do stand up.
So that was nice to see him on stage. He, like, looked like he really belonged there up on stage. He loves stand up. He's always talking about stand up. Yeah. He he's just he's naturally funny, and and, he he can capture the crowd very well. The event went well. The interview with Baseload went well. We'll talk about some of the the details of that when we do a Baseload Energy update on the action news. And then afterwards, Sarah and I just sat at the bar. It really felt like home. It it's like when when we were younger and the the just the dive bars in Pittsburgh. It just felt like that. Tin ceiling, low tin ceiling, kind of, confined, go into the bathroom, lots of stickers on the wall. Of course, I got it tagged up with a lot of Ungovernable Misfits stickers. And by the way, if you'd like some stickers, go ahead and visit it, ungovernablemisfits.com under the shop, and you can view, Crown's sticker collection.
It was just really nice. It it was a nice little trip in a in a nice homey place to do an event. It's like when you see Trump at Pub Key or you see, what's that? Demis O'Leary, you know, or Lara Trump or should I call it? Fucking
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out. The Shark Tank guy or whatever his name is. Yeah.
[00:29:49] Unknown:
That Laura Lloyd. Yeah. And then Laura Trump there, you're like, man, these fucking pub key cuck motherfuckers having a fucking politicians there. You dog and pony show. Fuck you. You know, that that that's my my natural instinct when I see stuff like that. But when you get there listen. It's a homey inner city bar. I mean, really, you you could have plucked that out of 20 different bars in Pittsburgh, and and I would have felt right if not that I'm some kind of barfly or something like that. But you know what I mean? And then in the back, they've got stage, and they got really good food, burgers and hot dogs, stuff like that. So it it really has that feel of, like, a a a mesh jadell kind of experience when it's all of your your people there. Nice. I liked it a lot.
Good time. It's not a commercial for Pubkey.
[00:30:33] Unknown:
We have to do something with, Hashluts and Pubkey. Yeah. To do, like, a HashSluts night there or something to ship them in. Okay.
[00:30:42] Unknown:
Who's gonna strip?
[00:30:45] Unknown:
Fundamentals.
[00:30:48] Unknown:
Yeah. That sounds really good. I like that. Moving on, our friend, Sol Exporter, went to a Scandinavian country. I could say that. Yeah. Okay. Went to a Scandinavian country with a a a few Mechdel members and then some other people, and I believe he took his son. And it was a really cool experience. It it it was very different than our North Dakota fishing trip. Mhmm. They did a bunch of adventurous stuff. It it it seems to me they did a lot of stuff that you would do if you were going to bend guns. You know, they did ice fishing. They were snowboarding. They were snowmobiling. They did a, like, a cold plunge, camping. It was very rugged. Whereas us for the North Dakota trip, it's like, oh, we flew in, got picked up from the airport, checked into a house.
You know? Got up got up the next day and went into a heated snow bear and had somebody else drill holes for us and try to fuck out fish and then go get the steak dinner afterwards. You know? It's not exactly, roughing it, but they did do the roughing it thing, the whole, like, mail bonding experience.
[00:32:00] Unknown:
Was this a specifically Bitcoin event, or is it just SolEx and his son meeting another individual or two? Like, how how did it come about? I actually don't know because,
[00:32:12] Unknown:
this person that hosted the event is a long, long time, like, one of the original, Meshedale members. Okay. And I didn't see him post in the Meshedale probably because the Meshedale has grown so big now Yeah. It's hard to find. Really want want to post those kind of kinds of things. So you'll have to ask Solex personally how he found out about this. But Okay. You know, this this guy, this Scandinavian guy and Solex have known each other a long time through through the mesh to del. And, I don't know. I I I I can't really say anymore, but it was some Meshedale people. It was some, like, European, Bitcoiner type folks and, SolEx boy. So I I I assume oh, and and another Meshedale member came from South America.
Oh. So this was this was very meshy. Yeah. I like it. I don't know if I'm at liberty to say who that guy is, but, you know, a mesh Dell member from South America. What what we're trying to convey here is it was a very meshed Dell kind of event. And like I said, I I asked Soles, well, can you can you write down your thoughts? Or he I think he said he was gonna write down his thoughts. Like, good. Can we post it up on a Go Real Misfits and send us pictures and please record it. Always ask for more. Yes. Always be closing. And, so he recorded it up, and here it is. The Arctic Bitcoiner experience.
[00:33:38] Unknown:
We are on the last flight home, tired but satisfied. Mister Green organized an unforgettable experience. As I reflect on past week's impressions, I begin to doze off. Subconsciously, I feel the plane tilting slightly to the left, and my newfound conditioning just takes over. I'm dreaming that I'm still driving a snowmobile until I wake up. Realizing where I am, I carefully lift my ass cheek off the unfortunate passenger I landed on during my involuntary jerk. He stares at me in disbelief. Writing about last week is both easy and hard.
I could list all incredible activities we did, the new experiences and the fun we had, but I don't want to end with a mere travel report. Even if it would sound amazing or even close to bragging, it still wouldn't capture the full picture. The participants, that was mister Green, mister Rebel, mister Cat, mister Fighter, mister Heart, mister Hope, mister House Sparrow, mister Jaguar, mister Singularity, mister Honey Badger and I. The activities alone could be packaged into an expensive Instagram influencer's dream, curated photo moments sold as a part of a high end travel itinerary.
But no commercial business could ever replicate the raw authenticity mister Green brought to the experience with the expert help of mister Abel. Together, they kept us so immersed in the moment that we often had to remind ourselves to take pictures. And I can assure you, the most fun moments are, perhaps regretfully for memory's sake, not captured. What made this special was how everything unfolded naturally. It's something that doesn't scale to the commercial realm, simply because mister Green managed to bring together a perfectly balanced group of 11 individuals. This mix allowed for rich discussions ranging from deep philosophical debates to heated political discourse, while also creating the space for profound monologues that commanded silent respect.
Silence too had its own spectrum. Some would slip away in smaller groups to complete a chore. Others would take a rest or take a walk. Occasionally, a one on one conversation would deepen a topic the group had already exhausted. The group float effortlessly, splitting into smaller clusters or embracing solitude before seamlessly rejoining? Without a single burp, are you? Asked. For my part, I cherished a solo hour long Rene immersed in nature. I believe everyone found their own moments of solitude in their own way. I'm not sure why this group dynamic worked so well. It wasn't just that we were all Bitcoiners, though we certainly shared common grounds on principles like freedom, but we also deeply yet respectfully disagreed on many topics.
Our days were shaped by the elements, sun, snow, and biting wind. Some learned new skills, while others pushed their limits, sometimes even crossing them. For those curious, we snowboarded, learned about setting ptarmigan traps, ice fished, walked, snowmobiled, and engaged in a unique form of arts and crafts, which mostly involved fixing broken gear, meteorite, or rescuing snow mobiles from a tricky situation. These activities, excluding the impromptu tinkering, might be found in an Arctic adventure package, but what set them apart was how mister Green and mister Rebel approached them. We learned with an open mind fostering self responsibility while understanding how to stay safe.
A feared excursion would probably have been wrapped in paperwork, disclaimers, and a long list of just don'ts. Perhaps the setting acted as a natural filter for the group since half the trip took place at an undisclosed off grid location, appealing only to those with a particular mindset. Not many NGO only proponents would willingly embrace the trade offs of such an environment. This self reinforcing dynamic turned optional chores into enjoyable team efforts. For example, cutting an ice hole. Mister Green expertly laid out the cutting grid, and under his guidance, mister Honey Badger, mister Hope, and I helped extract and haul ice blocks by slat to the ice cellar. The resulting ice hole later became the perfect cold plunge spot after sauna sessions in the evening.
Evenings were just as dynamic. Beyond cooking meals together and cleaning up, each participant was invited to give a talk or presentation. The topics spanned Zen, psychedelics, electricity, contracts, running a BDC pay server, Sami culture and history, the influence of national politics on Sami identity, private messaging on, mobility, and societal structures. Each sparked further discussions and deep dives. For my own presentation, I gained more insights from the feedback in one hour than I would have from pondering the topic alone for a week. The deep talks, the nature, the group dynamics, it all came together in a way that cannot be replicated.
The names I've used in this article are the ones each participant chose months before the trip. Upon my request, they each selected the word they felt best represented them. Yet, I never gave them one for myself. Now sitting here on the plane home, I finally have a name to share with the group and with you, dear reader. After this week, you may call me, mister Smiles.
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Thank you, mister Smiles.
[00:39:32] Unknown:
It's like something out of Reservoir Dogs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Who wants to be mister Pink? Mister Pink. Yeah. I don't wanna be mister pink. What a experience. That feels like not quite the same because it sounds like so much adventure and, like, kind of fun stuff, like active stuff they're doing as well, but it kinda reminds me of that first Bitcoin Beach retreat, which was kind of my first time meeting other people
[00:40:00] Unknown:
in, like, 2020. Last episode with Q.
[00:40:04] Unknown:
Yeah. It just it just brings me back to that because it's like meeting other like minded people. It's not really about Bitcoin or price or anything like that. It's just about meeting people who maybe think a little bit the same and going and sharing experiences with them, and that's what it's about. Like, it's it's so much more interesting than going and listening to someone on the stage. Just these one on one you know, when you're saying, like Mhmm. The topics ranging from BTC pay to this and that, and, like, you have all these conversations that go all over the place, and it's, like, real. It's not like a structured fake thing. That sounds amazing.
[00:40:42] Unknown:
I was kind of jealous about the whole thing. You know, I just really thought about that ice fishing trip for myself. Like, man, why didn't we do something more spiritual like that?
[00:40:54] Unknown:
I I don't know what it to Ayahuasca while ice fishing.
[00:40:58] Unknown:
Right. Right. We didn't, I don't know. We we talked we talked a lot. And Mhmm. You know, for me to be able to look somebody in the eye who I've known for a long time and speak to virtually is very important. And even recently, like, one of the people, you know, who ah, shit. And
[00:41:21] Unknown:
damn it. Always the problem.
[00:41:23] Unknown:
It it is always the problem. There's so many things that that I wanna talk about on the show, personal things. Because, you know, like, I like to open up to people. I I I don't mind so much, but then I can't reveal what somebody else has opened up to me.
[00:41:38] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:41:39] Unknown:
I'll put it this way. For our trip and it just being, you know, social capital building, it wasn't wasn't a lot of intellectual capital building there. It wasn't very spiritual, which you know, Sollex is a great writer. Mhmm. And he's a very spiritual person. You know, just when you when you get to know him and you interact with him, he's on a different plane than most people that you interact with. Yeah. He's very spiritual. He's he's very open. There's something extremely special about that guy. So could it be how he's conveying the trip? Because he experiences the world in in a a more visceral way than I do. Seen through SolEx tinted glasses.
Yeah. That's a really great way of saying it. But I I bet you there there is does seem to be a lot more to that trip than to our ice fishing trip. But I've I guarantee you, if I brought that up to any of those guys that go on that ice fishing trip, be like, what the fuck is this fake ass shit are you talking about? You wanna talk about zen Buddhism? I wanna fucking crack a beer and shut the fuck up and fish. So it culturally, is is that an American difference to
[00:42:50] Unknown:
to European different? I I don't know. Yeah. I think there is definitely a difference there. Like, I think, there's an insecurity that comes from being American where you want to suppress your fagginess. Masculinity. You wanna suppress your fagginess? Yeah. At least in The UK, we're a bit more open to talking about sort of more, I don't know, that kind of, like, spiritual stuff or Yeah. Or things that are a little bit more different because we aren't insecure. You know what I mean?
[00:43:21] Unknown:
So you you're really chalking that up to insecurity.
[00:43:24] Unknown:
I think so. I think so. Like Interesting. Most British people that I speak to, it might just be the type of people that I speak to, we're very comfortable talking about, like, pretty much anything as long as we trust each other. You abuse each other more as mates.
[00:43:38] Unknown:
I don't know. I I your your Hmong recording,
[00:43:42] Unknown:
Ben's pretty abusive to all of you. So Yeah. Yeah. This is what I mean. Like, the conversations that we have is very abusive. Oh, okay. Nothing's taken seriously. We talk about anything that doesn't seem to be that kinda like, oh, I'm worried that they might think less of me. It's like they already think less of you. Don't worry about it.
[00:44:00] Unknown:
I don't They couldn't think less. Okay. I don't I don't know if that's it. But I'd no. I can't think American guys just don't feel like opening up to each other. They're just not interested. Yeah. Yeah. Gay. Did you say gay?
[00:44:14] Unknown:
Now you're hearing things, mate. That's your insecurity.
[00:44:19] Unknown:
What a what a mental manipulator you are. I'm a Yeah.
[00:44:28] Unknown:
Very well then.
[00:44:30] Unknown:
Listen. Listen, pal. How fucking secure did you feel when the Germans were bombing the shit out of your boats of fucking Dunkirk? How, pal? Do you feel secure then? American masculinity came in, saved your freaking limey ass. You'd be speaking fucking German, asshole. Wasn't there, mate? Don't know what you're talking about. Sorry. The the pick the Pittsburgh came out of me. You're talking about fucking America. Yeah. I just, I I love the topics, though. I'd love to to to give a see a presentation, you know, about Zen Buddhism or contracts or electricity or but not the Noster one.
[00:45:08] Unknown:
I knew you were gonna bring that up. Set up the Noster one. Yeah.
[00:45:13] Unknown:
I was listening to to you and Q show the other day, and you're talking about, you know, like, John hates Nostra. I don't hate Nostra. I didn't say that. Strongly dislike. Nostra. No. You know you know what I meant. You even you represented my opinion well. You know? I did. Yeah. I'm very into the the the physical side of things, the the real social capital thing, doing things like what Solix did, you know, go up there and do this event, do the ice cream event, go to Pub Key, you know, meet up with people, go to Lake Satoshi. That's very important to me. So I think this is the the way I wanna say that is we only have so much time in this world. We only have so much energy.
And when you so you have to choose. And and QSITA vessel, why not both? Okay. I agree. But in your day, when you're picking out where you want to put your energy Mhmm. I'm of the mind that it should be put in in the physical. Mhmm. And that nothing nothing on Nostr
[00:46:13] Unknown:
can replace that. We're all like little batteries. Use your energy wisely. Yeah. Indeed.
[00:46:20] Unknown:
Great event. Thank you, Soulex, for, sharing that with us in in your artistic and and beautiful way, deeply spiritual.
[00:46:30] Unknown:
I removed my ass cheek from the passenger next to me. Yeah. Who likes that there? He's such a great writer. It it it's really poetic.
[00:46:39] Unknown:
Thank you very much, buddy. I I love you very much. You know, the the European experience is different than the experience, but, you know, one's not right, one's not wrong. But I don't know. I don't wanna I don't wanna sound like I'm pro this or that or anything else. I was gonna do some kind of, you know, like, obnoxious American kind of thing to to roll into the Lake Satoshi ad read, but not really. I think this is pretty universal. Everybody loves Bob Seger. Europeans, Americans, South Americans, Sammies, it doesn't matter. You're all invited to Lake Satoshi in Lansingburg, Michigan, August Second, to come and hang out, and you can have some deeply spiritual experiences with somebody around a campfire, or you could just go tear it up in the lake on a jet ski.
Either one. You bring in your dirt bike, you go up on the hills, launch about 20 feet in air, you can do it. If you want to have a spiritual experience with someone and meditate under a tree, you can do that too. Either one. Why not both? Just like nostril and the physical. Why not both? Indeed. Yeah. How fast can you pivot from taking a jet ski at 60 miles an hour to transcendental meditation where you go infinite miles an hour? Oh,
[00:48:23] Unknown:
can you do 60 miles an hour on a jet ski? They are fast. Yeah. You can. Yeah. Can you? Yeah.
[00:48:30] Unknown:
Or maybe only on a lake. You don't wanna try that on the sea. I don't think so unless you were, like, you know look at the Gulf Of Mexico. The Gulf Of oh, almost caught me. In the Gulf Of America, it can be pretty classic.
[00:48:44] Unknown:
I like jet skis. They're fun. I like jet skis too. Yeah.
[00:48:48] Unknown:
They're so fun. Yeah. I've got one up to 70 something. Awesome. Wave run wave runner, not jet ski. The wave runner. You know, the old school jet skis used to have that, like, arm that came up and shit. You need to stand on them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about a a wave runner. I said jet ski. Where where you sit on it? Yeah.
[00:49:07] Unknown:
Yeah. It's kind of like they're like you know, if you own a boat, everyone always says, like, if you own a boat, the best time is the day you buy it and the day you sell it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's always the same. Or or if it floats, fucks, or flies, it's cheaper to hire. Yeah. A boat stands for bust out another thousand. Yeah. But jet skis aren't that bad. Jet skis are like they're like little they're like dipping your toe in. It's like Yeah. It's not quite a boat. It's sort of like it's like an expensive motorbike sort of thing. I agree. What the coolest thing there at Lake Stoshi is one of the guys brings this
[00:49:42] Unknown:
jet ski boat combination thing. Oh, a jet boat? It's not a jet boat. It the boat is propelled by the wave runner. Like, it has a little hull inside of it that you can pull that up into, and that's how the boat around. And then you could take the wave runner out, go do stuff, and then everybody hangs out on the boat. It's really, really cool. And he he says they they only made them for a few years. I mean, he's got one of these rare jet ski boat things.
[00:50:11] Unknown:
Have you ever seen a quad jet ski? A jet a quad ski, I think they're called. No.
[00:50:16] Unknown:
It's it sounds Polish. It does, actually. It's me quattker.
[00:50:22] Unknown:
I'm pretty sure they're called quad skis. A quad ski. I'll send you an image, but it's like you can ride it like a quad bike, and then you take it up to the water. As you go into the water, you press a button. The wheels fold into it, and then you can ride it like a jet ski. That's gonna break.
[00:50:41] Unknown:
Probably. Yeah. Probably. You're gonna be fixing that fucking piece of shit all the time. Just get a quad and jet ski.
[00:50:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Actually, I'm looking at it now. I'm like, maybe maybe maybe it is breaking up. Send that to me? Let's see. I haven't. No. I said, hold on, mate. Fucking hell. Quadski. I'm just trying to find, like, jet drift. What's this? Actually, that looks quite shit there. I've seen good ones. I'm trying to find a good one.
[00:51:07] Unknown:
In the meantime, my youngest just walked in, and I haven't seen her since Saturday. So hello. Come here, dear. No. I have teeth growing back here. You have teeth growing back there. Uh-huh. You're like a shark. How about this wiggly tooth? It's really wiggly. It's really wiggly. Disgusting. Let me yank it out of your face. Come here. Let me yank it out.
[00:51:29] Unknown:
No? The the If you yank it out, the tooth fairy will come, and she'll give you some stats. Scared.
[00:51:35] Unknown:
She's a shit corner. She's a shit corner. Give give it to me. Here. We're we're gonna pull out my daughter's tooth. I have her hair. Are you ready? Oh my god. Don't don't edit this out. Alright. You ready? Take your hands away. Don't you trust me?
[00:51:54] Unknown:
I wouldn't trust me either.
[00:51:56] Unknown:
I'm not a licensed dentist. I'm not a credential dentist. Yes, ma'am. A credentist.
[00:52:05] Unknown:
She's run away.
[00:52:07] Unknown:
Alright. Yeah. Wimp. Yeah. Wimpy kids. What's this generation of kids? Yank that tooth right out of her head.
[00:52:19] Unknown:
You wanna tie it, as a piece of string to it and then tie that to a quadsky.
[00:52:24] Unknown:
There you go. That makes perfect sense. And, yeah, this quadsky is a total piece of shit that's gonna break. Yeah. It does look shit. Don't ever mind. You're right. But the idea is cool, isn't it? The idea is is great. Yeah. I'm a more make a good one. Keep it simple. Keep it simple, stupid. That's gonna break. Okay. Very well. If you have a Quadsky, if you have Peter Peter can come to Lake Satoshi. Who's a Polak that showed up? It's me, Peter. I've come to your Lake Satoshi meetup. I can't. You go on. What?
[00:53:01] Unknown:
I don't know. You do the voices, mate. I do the commas. Yeah. Oh, it's not true. You your your,
[00:53:07] Unknown:
Slavo voice is top notch.
[00:53:11] Unknown:
Tip top.
[00:53:12] Unknown:
You know it is. Holy shit. This child is back in here. Okay. You're ready. Come on. Come on. Let's do it. Let's do. Slippery. You brush your teeth today? No. I should not. What? Go brush your teeth. Oh, no. Get the hell out of here. Close that door. Didn't brush your teeth. Like father What's wrong with this child? Nasty. Nasty kids we're raising here. Because we're too busy in New York getting drunk in dive bars. You know? Just left them at home. Just left them at home. A couple of a
[00:53:48] Unknown:
couple of Snickers bars. Sort yourself out.
[00:53:53] Unknown:
Teeth are falling out. We're gonna get another set. Drunk in New York, taking guns to a Broadway show. Fucking hell. They get two sets. Don't worry about it. They do. Alright, Max.
[00:54:04] Unknown:
Coming up on an hour. Oh, shit. We got twenty nine seconds.
[00:54:08] Unknown:
Okay. Lake Satoshi. You should go to Lake Satoshi. Do you like bid access and stuff and mining equipment and whatnot? Get it from altertech.io. That's altertech.io. Yeah. Use promo code. Use the code ungovernable. That's right. Altertech.io.
[00:54:24] Unknown:
There you go. We did it. We did. Really? We've never done that before in our whole entire long legged lives. Are you gonna edit this?
[00:54:32] Unknown:
I'm gonna bother editing it. Oh. There it is. Don't bother editing it. Hit it a hard fucking hour. Cures. I might not, actually. Press for release. Yeah. Oh, you're gonna have to put in the sound bites.
[00:54:48] Unknown:
Mhmm. That's it. Oh, yeah. I've gotta do that. Okay. I'm gonna turn this alarm off. Alright, mate. Well, before I go, I just wanna say thank you for that long drive. That's a real commitment. I appreciate it. Sat there in silence alone.
[00:55:04] Unknown:
Terrible company. Listening to crappy Netflix shows. Yeah. Yeah. Fair play. Nice work. You're welcome. You know, do it for do it for our peeps. They want to represent, and They do. We gotta help them. We're bringing it back. And thank you to Solex as well for that lovely bit of writing. Very much so. Hey. Sorry for the short show. Hope you had some fun. I'm gonna go yank out a tooth. Speak soon, mate. Later.
Did you look at what I planned on talking about? Nope. Alright. I'm just gonna raw dog it. And, look, I'm what I'm doing now is I'm actually pressing
[00:00:08] Unknown:
one hour Okay. On the timer. Three Oh, man. Two, one. Start.
[00:00:14] Unknown:
One hour. We've never done this in our entire lives. What? Getting under an hour? Never. No fucking way. No. We did an episode called waste an hour with John and Max. Mhmm. I'm curious as to what how long that one was. Probably, like, three hours. Waste an hour or or abouts. Well, let's do it. Let's stop the jaw jack, and let's just go right into the fucking show.
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We will say Big banks. Banks. Income tax, VAT.
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The Illuminati elite, cultural Marxism, critical theory. You are nothing. You are nothing to me.
[00:00:49] Unknown:
Oh, nothing. You are nothing to me. Oh, do you think so? You're right. You say sponges. Useless, fudge. You are nothing to
[00:00:59] Unknown:
me. Potty language. Don't hang up. We're not gonna say cunt on your show anymore. Nope. You're not. Ever If you sense it, I get a little button.
[00:01:09] Unknown:
Every time I feel,
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no, you fuck it.
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Apple. Yeah.
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Good luck. As nothing crashes, you're less likely to say the c word. Can't you guys do something about the curse? People ask that. All the time. Yeah. They want a clean show. Not gonna happen. There's a lot of other clean shows out there. That is true. A lot of goody goody shows. Listen, look who we're up against. Big Pharma, Big Banks, the Illuminati elite. You're not gonna win with kind words with those folks.
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No. And they're descriptive. It's descriptive words. They are cunts.
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Mhmm. Mhmm. Call it as you say it. What else? Disgusting
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pedophilic Yeah. Leeches Mhmm. Burden on society. Should have been a wank.
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Oh, man. That's really good. I have never used that one of them. Well, they were all made in a in a lab somewhere. Lizard people or, Ben Gunn always calls me. A a lizard person? No. No. He he often texts me going, are you dead yet, you fucking abortion survivor? And I'm like, oh, charming. He's got a way with words. Yeah. Or crayon eater is the other one. Well, yeah. As as a as a former marine, I get that one a lot. Yeah. That's a pejorative amongst the rest of the US military to call marines crayon eaters, and we wear it proudly. Thank you very much. Yeah. Well, we may be crayon eaters, but we're all joined together in this fight against those who wish to oppress us. And this show is another tool in your toolbox to fight your oppressors.
It is PMM. Welcome to it. On this episode of PMM, we're gonna talk about our mesh economy idea a little bit more because it is starting to get fleshed out. Mhmm. The mesh is flesh.
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Write that one down. Write that one down. That's excellent.
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Solexporter. Oh, shit. I didn't do the alright. We're gonna have to figure something out for Solex's part because he recorded something for me. Can you believe that? I said, hey. I can't believe that. He went on a trip, a very plebe y, mesh to del type trip Mhmm. Up, up north, Northern Europe. I'm not gonna say where it was because I I don't know. I never fucking know. Up north, Arctic Circle, cold. So you figure it out. It could be, like, one of three countries up there. Went on a wonderful trip, and he wanted to share his experiences with me. And I said, hey. Hey, buddy.
Why don't you write that down? Oh, okay. I'll write that down. So he wrote that down, and I said, man, you know what would be really good? If you've recorded that because everybody loves your voice. You have such a great way of reading and acting and a fantastic accent that's so melodic and and beautiful, especially to us native English speakers. And he said, okay. I'll do it. And he did.
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Suckered that motherfucker right into doing something for us. How do you like that? Well, he's a man of his word as well. There aren't many of them out there, but you know when he says, yes. I will do it. You know it's gonna get done. A %. A problem. Coming right up.
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He did. He he, like, banged banged out the the writing, and I said, you should record this. Boom. An hour later. Here you go.
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I've got a little box at my feet for Soluxe.
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You do? Of stuffs. What's in the fucking box? What's in the fucking box?
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It's not a head. Oh, good. There's some good stuff for him, but, he's gonna have to probably come and pick it up. Oh, I don't see that happening.
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Yeah. This is gonna stay there.
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At my feet. Yeah.
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Forever. What else were you talking about? Oh, I went to to New York City. Hey. It's me. I'm it's John and Sarah. We're in New York. Let's go to a Broadway show. At Pub Key. At the Pub Key. Hey. I got a gun. Let's go to a Broadway show. We did that. Just whatever you do, you always go to a Broadway show. Yeah. With a gun. Okay. Don't say that kind of stuff. You'll scare people. They don't like that. They don't like gun talk. Anyway, I guess we gotta move on to this. Yep. Went to Pub Key, met some, meshadelians that we know, gave lots of hugs and shoulder shrugs because it's all because.
Having a great time with the bum bum bum bass load. First time at Pub Key. Pretty neat experience. I'll just talk about the the mesh Dell community side of things, not the John and baseload energy talk because we'll do that on our action news show. Okay. And, what else do I have on here? Oh, we'll talk about social capital. Okay. Alright. And let's get right into boosts. First boost up, we've got bugle.news hashtag forty hours per week headphones.
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We have established here, we're gonna interrupt this, that if you're recording a podcast, it's worth double. No. No. It's not double. We said that if you record one hour of podcast, that's forty hours per week. Oh, did we say that? Right? Forty to one. I'm pretty sure someone can go back. We said it a few weeks ago, and I was speaking to Q about it. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's that because that means I get my forty hours a weekend. Right. I heard you and Q talking about it. That's good enough for me. I mean, you know exchange. Right? So, in a month, you and I usually do about four to five hours of recording.
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Mhmm. And then to plan these shows, usually, not this show because, brother, it this show has been punted Mhmm. Right up in there. But, usually, I spend a whole day prepping the shows, writing stuff. So you get your forty hours per week right here, pal.
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You're doing at least eighty hours a week. You've already stepped things up. Well, why not? Well, thank you, Bugle News. They boosted us 21,212
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sats. It's a great episode. Thank you very much. Keep writing, John. Thank you very much, Bugle News. I I will keep writing. It means a lot coming from them as well. It does because they're good writers. Mhmm.
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I think it and say it, but it means nothing. It's like No. Who are you? No. You don't know how to fucking spell your name, you cunt. There's the first one. Beep. Oh. Mhmm. Gotcha.
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Rod Palma from Bugle News. Forty hours per week. Twenty one thousand sets. Set reminder to get Lake Satoshi tickets. Check mark. Do it. Everybody do it now. Just, get into a little bit of Lake Satoshi ad read. 08/02/2025, Lake Satoshi is on and popping. It's the mesh to del event of all mesh to del events. Let's let's just admit it. You got an international group of people coming there to hang out. So very good on you, Rod Palmer. Hope you did buy those Lake Satoshi tickets. Only $21. Only $21. How much does it cost for you to go to your cut freaking Bitcoin conference piece of shit Las Vegas show? 400, 5 hundred, something like that. Fuck you. Not happening. Ridiculous.
Up next, fundamentals with 21000¢. Sometimes I just boost because I like you. Aw. Aw. That's very sweet. Shucks. This time, it's because I want as many people as possible to get to hear you read your piece. I believe that was the,
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don't forget the struggle. Don't forget the streets. That was a good one. Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you for sharing that. It's really great work. Everybody has a price. Being ungovernable means making your price unreasonably high, and most people just can't do it. I, also really liked the song, the outro song that you sent. Oh, you did? Yeah. You were like, you know, it's just like an acousticky thing. You probably won't really like it, whatever, but it fits. And I was like, I actually really like it. I listened to it, like, 30 times in a row. Yeah. I really like it. Cool. Okay.
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One, you know, we played Neon Rust by Frank Carter and the Rattlesnakes. And you've told me before that that song means a lot to you for things that are going you know, that were happening in your life. And, I don't know. For some reason, it it just spoke to me too. Like, I I've really, attached myself to it as well. Great song. Yeah. Sharing is caring.
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I'll cover this one. I'll cover the cunts. Unpronounceable cunt. 20,000 sats. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for the explanation of the emojis. I must be stupid if I
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understand it any other way. I wish I could remember what the emojis were. Yeah. Me too. Me too. Thanks, Pohjanmes. Yeah. Thanks, mate. Pohjanmes. I will never not say Pohjanmes, Pohjanmes. You may have called yourself unpronounceable cunt. We know who you are, pal. We know who you are. Yeah. We know who you love. Thing. We do Alright, mister Shadrach. Shadrach, who I got to give give a big strong hug to, my man Shadrach, a pubkey, came for the event. It was great. I love that guy. He says great show, love, and smoking the cigarettes forty hours per week podcast. Thank you, mate. Chet,
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we must not become jaded. Love you, cunts.
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Alright. Wise words. Man, we've covered the cunts. Yeah. If there are any if I notice any more cunts in here, I will make sure that, we have you read it. Alright. Thanks. Gotta hit the sour mark. Late stage huddle, John, if I promise not to comment on what is a zine, can I please join your Star Wars nerd club? Yes. You can join my Star Wars nerd club. And now there were two. There are four of us in there. Thank you very much. Fucking hell. Next up is anonymous, ungovernable, choking, coughing, dying
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Cunts.
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Motherfuck. Show name is escalating. Max, I have a suggestion. Stop dying. Not to tell you what to do, but fuck me. Stop dying. Otherwise, great show, fellas. Keep punk rock unfashionable. Like the late sixties folks sold out to corporate America, so did most punk rockers, at least the ones that didn't die. You ever noticed how punk rockers all dressed alike? Not very independent, really. Universal independent thought? What the fuck is that? After the age of 35, the cell becomes tasty. Mhmm. It's a good boost. That's a great boost. It is a great boost. What you know, you know, you didn't start the show off coughing. We get a lot we get a lot of complaints about your fucking coughing. I could tell you that. Jeez. I wish I was sorry about it. Stop dying. Doing my best, mate. I'm
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I'm trying to get through things without dying. I write this line. It's like a bit of a knife edge constantly at the moment. Hey, man. Aren't we all? It's a metaphor for life.
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Oh. Anonymous says, love. Bit of hard. Thank you, anonymous. Bitpunk.fm. Hell, yeah. Stay punk. Very nice thoughts. The sellout spirit is alive and well in Bitcoin, sadly, but cheers to those running their own nodes. Cheers to those building communities and not followers. And cheers to those exploring ungovernable
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ideas. Cheers to That's fine. That is fine. Thank you, Peter. Selling out. That's fine. I don't sell out to anyone. As far as I wanna sponsor me.
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Chill out now says Booyah. The last John monologue on punk nails it. Fucking cipher cut cunts everywhere. Stay strong. Oh. Stay soft. Stay free. Yeah. Shit. I did I'm just the cunt just rolls off your tongue. Stay free. Make everything punk again. Yes, sir. We will. Dan, Fiat sucks. Dirty Jersey. Put these funds towards a cough button. There's no doubt. Just kidding. Y'all be good. Thanks. We'd be good. The funny thing is is that this motherfucker spends five, eight hours editing a podcast, leaves every fucking coffin there just to piss you guys off. Mhmm. I do. You're an asshole. Yeah. Next up, we got a Pis.
I'm a fucking retard. I've figured out how to use Nostr. Use twos. We'll get it eventually, laughing face. Very much laughing face. Yeah. Next, he says, I may just break my strict fuck New York City rule to come and see John at Pub Key. That's right. Badass Americans. Let's fucking go. He did not. Somebody else was supposed to come too, and he also did not. Miss, mister mister g, wants us to drive his car. From New York. His name, mister mister g? Yeah. Yeah. He's from New York. So we we were texting, and I said, we're here. And then it was, like, 10:00, and I said, I'm leaving now because I'm gonna go to sleep. I'm not a partier. But he's, like, up all night driving around New York City collecting recycling. So he's a night owl. I'm not my early bird.
Next up from pies is, I work outside in the freezing fucking cold and come home and work out and eat healthy. No excuses, motherfuckers. No pussy shit. Alright? I won't use the cold as an excuse. No more. That one's shit canned. I'm just gonna have to get over myself. Fomochronic boosted 1,000 in one set. And last, we have oh, not last. There's more. Oh, boy. Got, Montani. I forgot existed. Now I'm figuring how to do one. Talking to a good friend of ours, and, hopefully, he's gonna do, like, a limited edition zine here soon. Cool. That'd be cool. Boost from anonymous, somebody boosted forty hours per week. That's cool. Gene Everett.
There's still some real punks out there, but, yeah, many sold out. I think, Jordan had sent me that boost and said, Gene Everett actually said something nice to somebody. That's high praise. Alright. I'll take it. Thank you, sir. And, it was out of place pies one. Damn me. Max, you better fall back on Jordan. This is a threat. This is a threat that's threatening you right now. Alright? Yeah. Only a cunty fuck. There's another cunt. Only a cunt a cunt a Brit would say they would kick another man in the nuts. Mhmm. That's true. That's true. That is the
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an American's not gonna say that. Dirty move, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. The thing is, if I did try, Jordan's would be so far up and unaccessible because it's so cold in Canada that you're not actually gonna win. Do you know what I mean? It's like almost like wearing a box. They actually go investment. They actually go, like, up and inside because it's that cold, so they're protected. Oh, yeah. You you don't let them move. Kick. I would never actually kick Jordan in the balls. Even if I could, even if he wasn't in such cold climate, I would never do that. Yeah. I jest. I joke. So metaphorically
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kick him in the nuts. Yeah. No. I'd give him a cuddle. You know, I I when you want somebody to do something for you, I noticed that you're, like, sometimes overly nice. Hey, mate. You know, if you've got time, can you do this? It's like, well, yeah. No rush. All the time. All the time. You don't do it with me, but I've I've seen I've seen you do it with others. No. Because I just Two of them. Talk. I'm nice to you. Fuck off. I'm nice to you. And let's say you weren't nice, but you don't you don't need to, like, add this extra schmoozing in there. No. Hey. Listen, cunt. I need some help. And you go Yeah. Yes, sir. Right away. Yeah. No problem. Let's fucking do it. Okay. Moving on.
Let's talk about the trip to Pub Key. I've been traveling a lot lately, you know, and I don't like to travel. This is not my fucking thing. I had to go I had to go. Oh. I went to I went to North Dakota, you know, with the Bifrost manufacturing boys. Had to go fishing. I had to go fishing, and then I had to go pick up some gear in in West Virginia and go up a fucking mountain side and pick up a bunch of gear and come down the fucking mountain side with all this gear. You've seen the video there. Goat. It was it was a goat path. I saw a barn up there. Did you? Yeah. Was he helping you carry some things down? Hey. Well, I'll carry that. Put it on my back. Shrap it to me.
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Seth, the privacy's got a big problem with barn. Does he? The the Monero problem. Yeah. Well, no. No. He messaged me saying it's it's a major problem because he's doing some sort of keto or whatever, some sort of, like, diet thing. And then he's discovered Barnes Jerky, and he's like, fuck. I'm gonna have to spend all my money on this stuff. Yeah. I did see Seth for privacy.
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Kudos to Barnes Jerky. You said it's amazing. It is good. Yeah. I I took some to work, a a few months ago on one of my batches, and everybody's trying to tear into it. When are you getting that jerky again? I said, get the fuck out of here. When I picked up gear in West Virginia, then I went to New York. I got my gun. I went to a Broadway show. And then yesterday, I drove sixteen hours total to retrieve all of our clothing.
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You took one for the team in there, mate. You did take one for the team. You really took one for the team. That is a serious drive.
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You know, I didn't care until people started DMing me about, like, hey, what's up with the clothing? Ugh. My people are bothering me. Just kidding. Just kidding. I love everybody. We'll get you we'll get you your clothes. Don't worry about it. Did you,
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have some pods to listen to? How did you get through the sixteen hours alone? Oh, that's a that's a good question. Really just had my thoughts with me.
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No. I I watch, I just put Netflix on and just let it play. I get a zone out. I can't I can't if I think too much, it it becomes a problem. Netflix on? What are you Yeah. You're not watching The Road then? Well, yeah. I'm not I'm like, the phone's not in front of me. It's, like, in the the holder. I just listen. It's true. That's extremely retarded. Oh, yeah. I just put the show on. I just put the show on. I don't really give a fuck. I have to turn my brain off. You see? If it stays engaged the whole time, I'll I'll flip out. Okay. Like, if I don't if I don't have something to write, I, like, I can't write anything down. So listening to a book on if I listen to a book on tape, quite often book on tape.
An audiobook. If I listen to a a book on tape, like, I I tend to want to write things down about it. Yeah. Like, what do you want me to give you a tip? I I wanna look I wanna look that up. Yeah. Give me a tip. You've you've done a lot of top tier tip because I did a lot of driving. Tip. I would keep a voice recorder with me. And whenever I had thoughts that were important but I couldn't actually write them down because I was driving, I'd voice record it. And then at the end of the day, I'd make notes. Back, like, early two thousands, I had a a road I was on the road three hundred days out of the year. Mhmm. And, I would drive our territory oh, man. This can be bad.
I'm not used to recording this time of day. Our territory was, like Mid Atlantic Northeast. So sometimes I would drive from Ohio to to North Carolina, you know, and then jet back up to Maryland or something like that. And, I had a whole mess of books on tape in in my in my front seat. Like, you know, you would open up this plastic thing like an old, VCR case, and then have, you know, three or four tapes in it. I had a bunch of those. Back then, I could do it. But now I I don't really drive anymore. So Mhmm. Just let let me I don't have to work on self improvement all the time. We already perfect.
Boy, I wasn't there than I am now, so I don't have I don't need books on TV. How to win friends and influence people. Yeah. We'll crush that, you know, twenty something years ago. Now I'm just trying to zone out. I'm just trying to go pick the fucking stuff up. I don't have to stack functions all the time. Leave me alone. Okay. Like that. Okay. Off my ass. Alright. Motherfucker with your fucking life tips and shit. Showing up your ass.
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Touchy.
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A different guy when I worked all day long. Yeah. No. No. I'm good. I I love you. Thanks for the tip. You know what? If I ever get back on on the road, Max, I'm definitely gonna crush some books on tape and and, carry a recorder around with me.
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I'm sure you are.
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Really I really love that you've enlightened me with that idea. Okay. Alright. Alright. Anyway, is it enough that we can say, hey. We got some clothing back. We haven't done an inventory yet, but it was it filled up my truck. That's a that's a eight foot bed. A lot of shit. We've got some clothing back.
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So everyone who's been DM ing John and me and everyone else, like, it's coming. It's coming. And then I am in the background trying to make something work to get some more printing done. We just you know, it's gotta be done right. We're not doing shitty quality stuff. It's gotta be done right or not at all, so it's coming. We'll have it all on the site again very, very
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soon. There you go. It's official. Mhmm. We got some stuff. Good enough. Stuffs. Mhmm. But, anyway, I I believe I was talking about going to PubKey. You were. Yeah. For that. Twenty minutes ago. This is what happens when we try to to riff. Hey. We gotta get together real quick and do a fucking podcast. I know everybody's video. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let
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just on the phone. There's that man. Those are really some good fucking pods that came out of that stuff. Would. Especially when I have the trailer and I was doing, like, 50 miles an hour. Yeah. If I was doing, like, higher speed, the sound quality would be too shit. If I had the old trailer on oh, yeah. You had that one you had that one van with no air conditioning. So you'd be like, oh, it's so fucking hot in here, mate. I have to get off the phone. I have to roll the fucking window down. Well, yeah, it was it was windows down, can't hear anything, or windows up and literally fucking boiling.
Just die. It was it was just during that time where it was, like, 30 degrees in The UK, and I was bringing bottles of water that I'd put into the freezer the night before and then travel with them, and I'll just put them down my back or whatever just to try and cool down. It's fucking disgusting. Hey. If you have, more tips on how to stay cool in a hot vehicle, go ahead and boost us right now, everybody.
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I wanna do more radio show stuff like that. Anyway, Pupkeep was super cool. Sarah and I this has to be, Sarah goes with me kind of trip. You you know what I mean? Like, she doesn't wanna go to mining disrupt. Although she would love to go to Miami, she got nobody to hang out with. You're gonna be hanging out in this convention center with all your fucking nerdy ass friends, and then I'm just gonna go to the beach. Yeah. She probably would do that. If, actually, if we could get a babysitter, she would she would do that for sure. But a trip like this, just a a short jet over to New York City, which she really likes, and, go to more of a a hangout place like Pub Key is. She was down for that. This was a good Sarah trip. We fly in on Saturday, mill about town. We're, like, in Greenwich Village kind of area, which was cool for me because I wanted to see CBGBs and see what kind of you know, CBGBs is not there anymore, but just to see the place where it was was was kinda cool for me. There was a big Bad Brains mural next to it. I love Bad Brains.
Went into a couple shops, some punk shop, which wasn't very punk. It was like I don't know if you have these, Hot Topic or Spencer's. They used to be in malls. I don't know how they are. Yeah. I Spencer's in Hot Topic. I they would have, like, I don't know, wannabe goth kids in middle school. My child wants to be a goth. I don't fucking know. Yeah. But that that's what this shop reminded me of. It's just like going in, you know, to a mall or something like that. It it wasn't very it wasn't very authentic, but went around to a couple restaurants, got some sushi, got some pastries from this cool place.
Sarah liked this this hot pot thing, you know, where they've got some kind of boiling broth, and then you put your foods in there and then eat it out. Well, she's addicted to MSG. Like, she gets a high from it. When Sarah was a kid, you know, and and, her mom would give ramen noodles, she'd freak out. She'd, like, threaten to kill people, go on, you know, have a a whole shit fit. That's how you two met, isn't it? Yeah. She was high on MSG. Trying to kill people. You're like, this is the one for me. So there you know, I don't know how old she I think she's, like, three or four years old at the time. And, her grandmother saw an episode of Oprah that said, oh, MSG and allergies and kids, and your kids might be acting like this. And they were like, holy shit. Sarah's allergic to MSG.
And so they got MSG, and then she grew up to be a sort of, you know, well rounded adult. But we're at this hot pot place, and and she's eating it. And she's like, hi. I could see your eyes are, like, buzzing like she was all cracked out. It's like, that's the best fucking food I've ever had. Isn't it MSG that's in all the Chinese food? Yes. Yeah. So this is the hot pot place. It was like like an Asian hot pot kinda thing. And when I ordered the steak, and it was about the thinnest Steakums steak you've ever seen in your life. Mhmm. And they would give you as much as you wanted with the other stuff, but apparently steak wasn't they wouldn't replenish my steak. I only really want this, please.
Had a good night. Had some drinks at the hotel. Got up the next day, went to Pub Key, late morning, and, just hung out there. They have a recording studio right next door and upstairs. So Bass Lobos recording with his energy grandma, Meredith Angwin, who wrote the book Shorting the Grid, and they've got a really cute relationship. We'll talk more about the substance of what they talked about, but I just thought it was special for him. He had a huge smile on his face the whole time interviewing Meredith Angwin, calls her his energy grandma.
I just thought that was really sweet. You know, they they raft about the the energy industry and everything, but I I think they developed a a little sweet relationship. So that was nice. I got to meet Daniel from PubKey. They're trying to spin up more media stuff, and I think Daniel is is heading that kind of stuff up. So Mhmm. They have a podcast. You can listen to it. They've they've recorded our event on on Rumble. So if you wanna see what I look like and see what Baseload looks like, see what his energy grandma looks like,
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you can do that. We recorded it and streamed it live on Rumble, but you can still go back and watch it again. Correct.
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Nice. And, oh, I met fundamentals for the first time in person. I mean, we spent a lot of time talking on the phone, but that was the first time I actually gotta gotta get ahold of him. So that was nice. Met fundamentals and his daughter and a bunch of the Central PA people and, like, people from the Philly John. That's fun one of fundamentals meetups came. So Central And Eastern Pennsylvania were represented, and Sarah and I from Western Pennsylvania. So all of PA came to New York. Got to meet everybody, speak to everyone, and then fundamentals and bass load played some music for a while, jam band kind of stuff. Fundamentals told a joke or two. He used to do stand up.
So that was nice to see him on stage. He, like, looked like he really belonged there up on stage. He loves stand up. He's always talking about stand up. Yeah. He he's just he's naturally funny, and and, he he can capture the crowd very well. The event went well. The interview with Baseload went well. We'll talk about some of the the details of that when we do a Baseload Energy update on the action news. And then afterwards, Sarah and I just sat at the bar. It really felt like home. It it's like when when we were younger and the the just the dive bars in Pittsburgh. It just felt like that. Tin ceiling, low tin ceiling, kind of, confined, go into the bathroom, lots of stickers on the wall. Of course, I got it tagged up with a lot of Ungovernable Misfits stickers. And by the way, if you'd like some stickers, go ahead and visit it, ungovernablemisfits.com under the shop, and you can view, Crown's sticker collection.
It was just really nice. It it was a nice little trip in a in a nice homey place to do an event. It's like when you see Trump at Pub Key or you see, what's that? Demis O'Leary, you know, or Lara Trump or should I call it? Fucking
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out. The Shark Tank guy or whatever his name is. Yeah.
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That Laura Lloyd. Yeah. And then Laura Trump there, you're like, man, these fucking pub key cuck motherfuckers having a fucking politicians there. You dog and pony show. Fuck you. You know, that that that's my my natural instinct when I see stuff like that. But when you get there listen. It's a homey inner city bar. I mean, really, you you could have plucked that out of 20 different bars in Pittsburgh, and and I would have felt right if not that I'm some kind of barfly or something like that. But you know what I mean? And then in the back, they've got stage, and they got really good food, burgers and hot dogs, stuff like that. So it it really has that feel of, like, a a a mesh jadell kind of experience when it's all of your your people there. Nice. I liked it a lot.
Good time. It's not a commercial for Pubkey.
[00:30:33] Unknown:
We have to do something with, Hashluts and Pubkey. Yeah. To do, like, a HashSluts night there or something to ship them in. Okay.
[00:30:42] Unknown:
Who's gonna strip?
[00:30:45] Unknown:
Fundamentals.
[00:30:48] Unknown:
Yeah. That sounds really good. I like that. Moving on, our friend, Sol Exporter, went to a Scandinavian country. I could say that. Yeah. Okay. Went to a Scandinavian country with a a a few Mechdel members and then some other people, and I believe he took his son. And it was a really cool experience. It it it was very different than our North Dakota fishing trip. Mhmm. They did a bunch of adventurous stuff. It it it seems to me they did a lot of stuff that you would do if you were going to bend guns. You know, they did ice fishing. They were snowboarding. They were snowmobiling. They did a, like, a cold plunge, camping. It was very rugged. Whereas us for the North Dakota trip, it's like, oh, we flew in, got picked up from the airport, checked into a house.
You know? Got up got up the next day and went into a heated snow bear and had somebody else drill holes for us and try to fuck out fish and then go get the steak dinner afterwards. You know? It's not exactly, roughing it, but they did do the roughing it thing, the whole, like, mail bonding experience.
[00:32:00] Unknown:
Was this a specifically Bitcoin event, or is it just SolEx and his son meeting another individual or two? Like, how how did it come about? I actually don't know because,
[00:32:12] Unknown:
this person that hosted the event is a long, long time, like, one of the original, Meshedale members. Okay. And I didn't see him post in the Meshedale probably because the Meshedale has grown so big now Yeah. It's hard to find. Really want want to post those kind of kinds of things. So you'll have to ask Solex personally how he found out about this. But Okay. You know, this this guy, this Scandinavian guy and Solex have known each other a long time through through the mesh to del. And, I don't know. I I I I can't really say anymore, but it was some Meshedale people. It was some, like, European, Bitcoiner type folks and, SolEx boy. So I I I assume oh, and and another Meshedale member came from South America.
Oh. So this was this was very meshy. Yeah. I like it. I don't know if I'm at liberty to say who that guy is, but, you know, a mesh Dell member from South America. What what we're trying to convey here is it was a very meshed Dell kind of event. And like I said, I I asked Soles, well, can you can you write down your thoughts? Or he I think he said he was gonna write down his thoughts. Like, good. Can we post it up on a Go Real Misfits and send us pictures and please record it. Always ask for more. Yes. Always be closing. And, so he recorded it up, and here it is. The Arctic Bitcoiner experience.
[00:33:38] Unknown:
We are on the last flight home, tired but satisfied. Mister Green organized an unforgettable experience. As I reflect on past week's impressions, I begin to doze off. Subconsciously, I feel the plane tilting slightly to the left, and my newfound conditioning just takes over. I'm dreaming that I'm still driving a snowmobile until I wake up. Realizing where I am, I carefully lift my ass cheek off the unfortunate passenger I landed on during my involuntary jerk. He stares at me in disbelief. Writing about last week is both easy and hard.
I could list all incredible activities we did, the new experiences and the fun we had, but I don't want to end with a mere travel report. Even if it would sound amazing or even close to bragging, it still wouldn't capture the full picture. The participants, that was mister Green, mister Rebel, mister Cat, mister Fighter, mister Heart, mister Hope, mister House Sparrow, mister Jaguar, mister Singularity, mister Honey Badger and I. The activities alone could be packaged into an expensive Instagram influencer's dream, curated photo moments sold as a part of a high end travel itinerary.
But no commercial business could ever replicate the raw authenticity mister Green brought to the experience with the expert help of mister Abel. Together, they kept us so immersed in the moment that we often had to remind ourselves to take pictures. And I can assure you, the most fun moments are, perhaps regretfully for memory's sake, not captured. What made this special was how everything unfolded naturally. It's something that doesn't scale to the commercial realm, simply because mister Green managed to bring together a perfectly balanced group of 11 individuals. This mix allowed for rich discussions ranging from deep philosophical debates to heated political discourse, while also creating the space for profound monologues that commanded silent respect.
Silence too had its own spectrum. Some would slip away in smaller groups to complete a chore. Others would take a rest or take a walk. Occasionally, a one on one conversation would deepen a topic the group had already exhausted. The group float effortlessly, splitting into smaller clusters or embracing solitude before seamlessly rejoining? Without a single burp, are you? Asked. For my part, I cherished a solo hour long Rene immersed in nature. I believe everyone found their own moments of solitude in their own way. I'm not sure why this group dynamic worked so well. It wasn't just that we were all Bitcoiners, though we certainly shared common grounds on principles like freedom, but we also deeply yet respectfully disagreed on many topics.
Our days were shaped by the elements, sun, snow, and biting wind. Some learned new skills, while others pushed their limits, sometimes even crossing them. For those curious, we snowboarded, learned about setting ptarmigan traps, ice fished, walked, snowmobiled, and engaged in a unique form of arts and crafts, which mostly involved fixing broken gear, meteorite, or rescuing snow mobiles from a tricky situation. These activities, excluding the impromptu tinkering, might be found in an Arctic adventure package, but what set them apart was how mister Green and mister Rebel approached them. We learned with an open mind fostering self responsibility while understanding how to stay safe.
A feared excursion would probably have been wrapped in paperwork, disclaimers, and a long list of just don'ts. Perhaps the setting acted as a natural filter for the group since half the trip took place at an undisclosed off grid location, appealing only to those with a particular mindset. Not many NGO only proponents would willingly embrace the trade offs of such an environment. This self reinforcing dynamic turned optional chores into enjoyable team efforts. For example, cutting an ice hole. Mister Green expertly laid out the cutting grid, and under his guidance, mister Honey Badger, mister Hope, and I helped extract and haul ice blocks by slat to the ice cellar. The resulting ice hole later became the perfect cold plunge spot after sauna sessions in the evening.
Evenings were just as dynamic. Beyond cooking meals together and cleaning up, each participant was invited to give a talk or presentation. The topics spanned Zen, psychedelics, electricity, contracts, running a BDC pay server, Sami culture and history, the influence of national politics on Sami identity, private messaging on, mobility, and societal structures. Each sparked further discussions and deep dives. For my own presentation, I gained more insights from the feedback in one hour than I would have from pondering the topic alone for a week. The deep talks, the nature, the group dynamics, it all came together in a way that cannot be replicated.
The names I've used in this article are the ones each participant chose months before the trip. Upon my request, they each selected the word they felt best represented them. Yet, I never gave them one for myself. Now sitting here on the plane home, I finally have a name to share with the group and with you, dear reader. After this week, you may call me, mister Smiles.
[00:39:30] Unknown:
Thank you, mister Smiles.
[00:39:32] Unknown:
It's like something out of Reservoir Dogs. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Who wants to be mister Pink? Mister Pink. Yeah. I don't wanna be mister pink. What a experience. That feels like not quite the same because it sounds like so much adventure and, like, kind of fun stuff, like active stuff they're doing as well, but it kinda reminds me of that first Bitcoin Beach retreat, which was kind of my first time meeting other people
[00:40:00] Unknown:
in, like, 2020. Last episode with Q.
[00:40:04] Unknown:
Yeah. It just it just brings me back to that because it's like meeting other like minded people. It's not really about Bitcoin or price or anything like that. It's just about meeting people who maybe think a little bit the same and going and sharing experiences with them, and that's what it's about. Like, it's it's so much more interesting than going and listening to someone on the stage. Just these one on one you know, when you're saying, like Mhmm. The topics ranging from BTC pay to this and that, and, like, you have all these conversations that go all over the place, and it's, like, real. It's not like a structured fake thing. That sounds amazing.
[00:40:42] Unknown:
I was kind of jealous about the whole thing. You know, I just really thought about that ice fishing trip for myself. Like, man, why didn't we do something more spiritual like that?
[00:40:54] Unknown:
I I don't know what it to Ayahuasca while ice fishing.
[00:40:58] Unknown:
Right. Right. We didn't, I don't know. We we talked we talked a lot. And Mhmm. You know, for me to be able to look somebody in the eye who I've known for a long time and speak to virtually is very important. And even recently, like, one of the people, you know, who ah, shit. And
[00:41:21] Unknown:
damn it. Always the problem.
[00:41:23] Unknown:
It it is always the problem. There's so many things that that I wanna talk about on the show, personal things. Because, you know, like, I like to open up to people. I I I don't mind so much, but then I can't reveal what somebody else has opened up to me.
[00:41:38] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:41:39] Unknown:
I'll put it this way. For our trip and it just being, you know, social capital building, it wasn't wasn't a lot of intellectual capital building there. It wasn't very spiritual, which you know, Sollex is a great writer. Mhmm. And he's a very spiritual person. You know, just when you when you get to know him and you interact with him, he's on a different plane than most people that you interact with. Yeah. He's very spiritual. He's he's very open. There's something extremely special about that guy. So could it be how he's conveying the trip? Because he experiences the world in in a a more visceral way than I do. Seen through SolEx tinted glasses.
Yeah. That's a really great way of saying it. But I I bet you there there is does seem to be a lot more to that trip than to our ice fishing trip. But I've I guarantee you, if I brought that up to any of those guys that go on that ice fishing trip, be like, what the fuck is this fake ass shit are you talking about? You wanna talk about zen Buddhism? I wanna fucking crack a beer and shut the fuck up and fish. So it culturally, is is that an American difference to
[00:42:50] Unknown:
to European different? I I don't know. Yeah. I think there is definitely a difference there. Like, I think, there's an insecurity that comes from being American where you want to suppress your fagginess. Masculinity. You wanna suppress your fagginess? Yeah. At least in The UK, we're a bit more open to talking about sort of more, I don't know, that kind of, like, spiritual stuff or Yeah. Or things that are a little bit more different because we aren't insecure. You know what I mean?
[00:43:21] Unknown:
So you you're really chalking that up to insecurity.
[00:43:24] Unknown:
I think so. I think so. Like Interesting. Most British people that I speak to, it might just be the type of people that I speak to, we're very comfortable talking about, like, pretty much anything as long as we trust each other. You abuse each other more as mates.
[00:43:38] Unknown:
I don't know. I I your your Hmong recording,
[00:43:42] Unknown:
Ben's pretty abusive to all of you. So Yeah. Yeah. This is what I mean. Like, the conversations that we have is very abusive. Oh, okay. Nothing's taken seriously. We talk about anything that doesn't seem to be that kinda like, oh, I'm worried that they might think less of me. It's like they already think less of you. Don't worry about it.
[00:44:00] Unknown:
I don't They couldn't think less. Okay. I don't I don't know if that's it. But I'd no. I can't think American guys just don't feel like opening up to each other. They're just not interested. Yeah. Yeah. Gay. Did you say gay?
[00:44:14] Unknown:
Now you're hearing things, mate. That's your insecurity.
[00:44:19] Unknown:
What a what a mental manipulator you are. I'm a Yeah.
[00:44:28] Unknown:
Very well then.
[00:44:30] Unknown:
Listen. Listen, pal. How fucking secure did you feel when the Germans were bombing the shit out of your boats of fucking Dunkirk? How, pal? Do you feel secure then? American masculinity came in, saved your freaking limey ass. You'd be speaking fucking German, asshole. Wasn't there, mate? Don't know what you're talking about. Sorry. The the pick the Pittsburgh came out of me. You're talking about fucking America. Yeah. I just, I I love the topics, though. I'd love to to to give a see a presentation, you know, about Zen Buddhism or contracts or electricity or but not the Noster one.
[00:45:08] Unknown:
I knew you were gonna bring that up. Set up the Noster one. Yeah.
[00:45:13] Unknown:
I was listening to to you and Q show the other day, and you're talking about, you know, like, John hates Nostra. I don't hate Nostra. I didn't say that. Strongly dislike. Nostra. No. You know you know what I meant. You even you represented my opinion well. You know? I did. Yeah. I'm very into the the the physical side of things, the the real social capital thing, doing things like what Solix did, you know, go up there and do this event, do the ice cream event, go to Pub Key, you know, meet up with people, go to Lake Satoshi. That's very important to me. So I think this is the the way I wanna say that is we only have so much time in this world. We only have so much energy.
And when you so you have to choose. And and QSITA vessel, why not both? Okay. I agree. But in your day, when you're picking out where you want to put your energy Mhmm. I'm of the mind that it should be put in in the physical. Mhmm. And that nothing nothing on Nostr
[00:46:13] Unknown:
can replace that. We're all like little batteries. Use your energy wisely. Yeah. Indeed.
[00:46:20] Unknown:
Great event. Thank you, Soulex, for, sharing that with us in in your artistic and and beautiful way, deeply spiritual.
[00:46:30] Unknown:
I removed my ass cheek from the passenger next to me. Yeah. Who likes that there? He's such a great writer. It it it's really poetic.
[00:46:39] Unknown:
Thank you very much, buddy. I I love you very much. You know, the the European experience is different than the experience, but, you know, one's not right, one's not wrong. But I don't know. I don't wanna I don't wanna sound like I'm pro this or that or anything else. I was gonna do some kind of, you know, like, obnoxious American kind of thing to to roll into the Lake Satoshi ad read, but not really. I think this is pretty universal. Everybody loves Bob Seger. Europeans, Americans, South Americans, Sammies, it doesn't matter. You're all invited to Lake Satoshi in Lansingburg, Michigan, August Second, to come and hang out, and you can have some deeply spiritual experiences with somebody around a campfire, or you could just go tear it up in the lake on a jet ski.
Either one. You bring in your dirt bike, you go up on the hills, launch about 20 feet in air, you can do it. If you want to have a spiritual experience with someone and meditate under a tree, you can do that too. Either one. Why not both? Just like nostril and the physical. Why not both? Indeed. Yeah. How fast can you pivot from taking a jet ski at 60 miles an hour to transcendental meditation where you go infinite miles an hour? Oh,
[00:48:23] Unknown:
can you do 60 miles an hour on a jet ski? They are fast. Yeah. You can. Yeah. Can you? Yeah.
[00:48:30] Unknown:
Or maybe only on a lake. You don't wanna try that on the sea. I don't think so unless you were, like, you know look at the Gulf Of Mexico. The Gulf Of oh, almost caught me. In the Gulf Of America, it can be pretty classic.
[00:48:44] Unknown:
I like jet skis. They're fun. I like jet skis too. Yeah.
[00:48:48] Unknown:
They're so fun. Yeah. I've got one up to 70 something. Awesome. Wave run wave runner, not jet ski. The wave runner. You know, the old school jet skis used to have that, like, arm that came up and shit. You need to stand on them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm talking about a a wave runner. I said jet ski. Where where you sit on it? Yeah.
[00:49:07] Unknown:
Yeah. It's kind of like they're like you know, if you own a boat, everyone always says, like, if you own a boat, the best time is the day you buy it and the day you sell it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's always the same. Or or if it floats, fucks, or flies, it's cheaper to hire. Yeah. A boat stands for bust out another thousand. Yeah. But jet skis aren't that bad. Jet skis are like they're like little they're like dipping your toe in. It's like Yeah. It's not quite a boat. It's sort of like it's like an expensive motorbike sort of thing. I agree. What the coolest thing there at Lake Stoshi is one of the guys brings this
[00:49:42] Unknown:
jet ski boat combination thing. Oh, a jet boat? It's not a jet boat. It the boat is propelled by the wave runner. Like, it has a little hull inside of it that you can pull that up into, and that's how the boat around. And then you could take the wave runner out, go do stuff, and then everybody hangs out on the boat. It's really, really cool. And he he says they they only made them for a few years. I mean, he's got one of these rare jet ski boat things.
[00:50:11] Unknown:
Have you ever seen a quad jet ski? A jet a quad ski, I think they're called. No.
[00:50:16] Unknown:
It's it sounds Polish. It does, actually. It's me quattker.
[00:50:22] Unknown:
I'm pretty sure they're called quad skis. A quad ski. I'll send you an image, but it's like you can ride it like a quad bike, and then you take it up to the water. As you go into the water, you press a button. The wheels fold into it, and then you can ride it like a jet ski. That's gonna break.
[00:50:41] Unknown:
Probably. Yeah. Probably. You're gonna be fixing that fucking piece of shit all the time. Just get a quad and jet ski.
[00:50:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Actually, I'm looking at it now. I'm like, maybe maybe maybe it is breaking up. Send that to me? Let's see. I haven't. No. I said, hold on, mate. Fucking hell. Quadski. I'm just trying to find, like, jet drift. What's this? Actually, that looks quite shit there. I've seen good ones. I'm trying to find a good one.
[00:51:07] Unknown:
In the meantime, my youngest just walked in, and I haven't seen her since Saturday. So hello. Come here, dear. No. I have teeth growing back here. You have teeth growing back there. Uh-huh. You're like a shark. How about this wiggly tooth? It's really wiggly. It's really wiggly. Disgusting. Let me yank it out of your face. Come here. Let me yank it out.
[00:51:29] Unknown:
No? The the If you yank it out, the tooth fairy will come, and she'll give you some stats. Scared.
[00:51:35] Unknown:
She's a shit corner. She's a shit corner. Give give it to me. Here. We're we're gonna pull out my daughter's tooth. I have her hair. Are you ready? Oh my god. Don't don't edit this out. Alright. You ready? Take your hands away. Don't you trust me?
[00:51:54] Unknown:
I wouldn't trust me either.
[00:51:56] Unknown:
I'm not a licensed dentist. I'm not a credential dentist. Yes, ma'am. A credentist.
[00:52:05] Unknown:
She's run away.
[00:52:07] Unknown:
Alright. Yeah. Wimp. Yeah. Wimpy kids. What's this generation of kids? Yank that tooth right out of her head.
[00:52:19] Unknown:
You wanna tie it, as a piece of string to it and then tie that to a quadsky.
[00:52:24] Unknown:
There you go. That makes perfect sense. And, yeah, this quadsky is a total piece of shit that's gonna break. Yeah. It does look shit. Don't ever mind. You're right. But the idea is cool, isn't it? The idea is is great. Yeah. I'm a more make a good one. Keep it simple. Keep it simple, stupid. That's gonna break. Okay. Very well. If you have a Quadsky, if you have Peter Peter can come to Lake Satoshi. Who's a Polak that showed up? It's me, Peter. I've come to your Lake Satoshi meetup. I can't. You go on. What?
[00:53:01] Unknown:
I don't know. You do the voices, mate. I do the commas. Yeah. Oh, it's not true. You your your,
[00:53:07] Unknown:
Slavo voice is top notch.
[00:53:11] Unknown:
Tip top.
[00:53:12] Unknown:
You know it is. Holy shit. This child is back in here. Okay. You're ready. Come on. Come on. Let's do it. Let's do. Slippery. You brush your teeth today? No. I should not. What? Go brush your teeth. Oh, no. Get the hell out of here. Close that door. Didn't brush your teeth. Like father What's wrong with this child? Nasty. Nasty kids we're raising here. Because we're too busy in New York getting drunk in dive bars. You know? Just left them at home. Just left them at home. A couple of a
[00:53:48] Unknown:
couple of Snickers bars. Sort yourself out.
[00:53:53] Unknown:
Teeth are falling out. We're gonna get another set. Drunk in New York, taking guns to a Broadway show. Fucking hell. They get two sets. Don't worry about it. They do. Alright, Max.
[00:54:04] Unknown:
Coming up on an hour. Oh, shit. We got twenty nine seconds.
[00:54:08] Unknown:
Okay. Lake Satoshi. You should go to Lake Satoshi. Do you like bid access and stuff and mining equipment and whatnot? Get it from altertech.io. That's altertech.io. Yeah. Use promo code. Use the code ungovernable. That's right. Altertech.io.
[00:54:24] Unknown:
There you go. We did it. We did. Really? We've never done that before in our whole entire long legged lives. Are you gonna edit this?
[00:54:32] Unknown:
I'm gonna bother editing it. Oh. There it is. Don't bother editing it. Hit it a hard fucking hour. Cures. I might not, actually. Press for release. Yeah. Oh, you're gonna have to put in the sound bites.
[00:54:48] Unknown:
Mhmm. That's it. Oh, yeah. I've gotta do that. Okay. I'm gonna turn this alarm off. Alright, mate. Well, before I go, I just wanna say thank you for that long drive. That's a real commitment. I appreciate it. Sat there in silence alone.
[00:55:04] Unknown:
Terrible company. Listening to crappy Netflix shows. Yeah. Yeah. Fair play. Nice work. You're welcome. You know, do it for do it for our peeps. They want to represent, and They do. We gotta help them. We're bringing it back. And thank you to Solex as well for that lovely bit of writing. Very much so. Hey. Sorry for the short show. Hope you had some fun. I'm gonna go yank out a tooth. Speak soon, mate. Later.
