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In part 2 of the 2024 Year In Review, we check into the ever-changing landscape of Bitcoin mining statistics. Over the past year, the hash value has seen a significant drop, impacting miners' earnings. We discuss the challenges and opportunities in the mining industry, including the timing of buying mining gear and the innovative projects undertaken by the community, such as solar mining builds, Solo Sundays and yes.. shitaxes.

It was the first year of a show dedicated to Meshtadel meanderings titled PMM, which stands for whatever you want it to stand for. Pastuerized Milk is Malnutrition, Pleb Made Mechandise, Personal Meshtadel Meetings...the list goes on. Anyways, it was  a great year for PMM, exploring many broad topics and creating a show that adds to the pulse of a cicrular economy. In 2025, we hope to add to that pulse.

Lastly, we go over our specials that ended 2024 breaking down the Ashigaru episode and it's significance. Also, Foundation has a new device. Not sure if you knew! So check that out.

It's been a wild ride of a year and we hope to keep the pace up for you guys in 2025. A lot of big things on the way and we hope you'll continue to support this grassroots initiative as much as you can.

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(00:00:00) Hope You Had A White Christmas

(00:00:30) ACTION NEWS! - YEAR IN REVIEW

(00:23:18) P.M.M. - YEAR IN REVIEW

(00:37:53) We Wish You an Ungovernable Christmas

(00:41:32) The Ashigaru Interview

(00:47:54) Top Secret Preview

(00:50:07) The Passport Prime Release Show

(01:01:09) #FREESAMOURAI

(01:06:56) Sick Of This Mate

(01:10:55) Love You Mr. Crown!

(01:11:52) Slaggin' Eachother Off

(01:12:53) Starting and Ending the Year w/ Frank Carter

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Alright. Dreaming   of a white.  

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Statistics.  

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I'm a tell you the basics for hashing with basics.   Bitcoin mining statistics.  

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Statistics. Statistics.  

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I'm a tell you the basics for hashing with ASICs,   Bitcoin mining statistics.   Statistics.  

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Statistics.   Welcome to action news review and our statistics   segment. It's been a year. It doesn't surprise me that statistics have changed from January of last year to today. Our hash value has gone from   202,254   sats per petahash per day to   a 70¢   reduction 70 percent reduction.   Now, if you've got a petahash mining per day, you're gonna get a measly   59,757   sats   To go from   200,000 SATS a day to just 60,000   SATS per day is pretty depressing, isn't it, Jordan?  

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Yeah. It is. And,   just a quick little notes. So after the last action news, I contacted Barn Miner, and I said,   hey, I'd like to buy a miner. And he's just, like, you're 6 months late, man.  

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And then he hung up on you. So I didn't buy a miner. And he was on an old phone, so he physically hung up the receiver.   Yeah.   He asked to because he can't use the cell phone on a kind of the hooves.   It's an up and down market. You gotta time it. You gotta listen to Ungovernable Misfits action news. And when we're the most blackpilled   and miserable and complaining,   you should say to yourself,   I think I'm gonna buy some miners right now. And I do recall on our updates from Alex   and from Avril   that they had said at times this was a good time to buy mining gear. And did you listen, Jordan? No. Nope. You got FOMO'd like the rest of them. Oh, yeah.   So now what's the option? You're going to buy a bidax. You can get a bidax, dude. It's all I can afford, man.  

Barn Miner called me after the last action news episode where I was ripping on bidaxes. And my opinion is this. So we have been doing   small scale pleb mining podcasts   for 3 fucking years now. And I have tried to give everybody   access to the community and connect you up with people that know how to do things and encourage you to do things on your own. And this is a time that you could have been building infrastructure.   I know people that have taken things from   just concept to a bitcoin mining water heater, who have done solar mining builds, who have bought entire   gas plants and are building up a gas mining operation. I know people that have gone from 0 megawatts to 15 megawatts over this time. So we have been giving you the tools that you need and encouraging you to build out your mining operations and go with the flow of the ups and downs of the mining industry. And now you're all FOMO ed out to the point where you think running a bit ax and changing it to Noctua fans and, putting a heat sink on it and doing a hydronic loop is, like, the most amazing thing in the world. Guys,   you went from   building from 15,   13 terahash to a100   to half a petahash to I got a lot of friends that are well over 2, 3, 4, 5 petahash now   to 1.5 Terahash.  

Go ahead. Yeah. Do your bidax thing. It's fucking really neat.   It fulfills the promise that, you know, like, Michael Schmidt made when he did an interview with Max saying that we will get mining into refrigerators. We will get mining into tea kettles someday. And the BitX platform is how you're going to do that open source platform is how you're going to do that. It's super, super neat, but don't forget on the Plebminer side that we were building   big things, and you only have so much time, money, and energy. And don't forget that side of it. That's all I'm saying. Don't get mad at me, Barn. He was quite upset. I think he wrote to me as well. Yeah. Dude, you're shitting on shit axis, dude. Oh, he's becoming like a shit ax maxi man.  

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So, like, the more I've talked to him, like, over the course of the year, like, at the beginning of the year, he's like, I hate these things, man. And then now it's like, you'll talk to him, and he's like, these are the best things since sliced bread. Yeah. He donated money to the OS   m u project for bid x. See, like, that is a cool project, though. Right? Like, it's Totally agree. Woah. They got a lot of tinkering going on there. Yeah. I want you to hear something.  

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ASMR.   That is a Christmas gift from Barn that I he wrote in the card that I have to wait till Christmas day to open this. But you're opening it now? No. I would never. He said to do I'm not gonna defy him. You'd never disrespect him like that. Tissue paper he wrapped it in. Oh, it's a bit ax. Yeah. I spelt the surprise.   Yep.   Guaranteed. Soon to be shit axing.   On with our statistics, hash price has gone from $90 per petahash per day, and then we had some shitty times during the having. I think the low was $38   per petahash per day, but we're coming back up $58 per petahash per day. And, a lot of people expected that number to ramp up, you know, about 6 months after the having. And I think we at Ungoverable Misfits Action News   had advised that maybe this particular   run might not look like that just because mining is so prevalent and so sophisticated   compared to where it was at the previous having that we might not just   jump up in hash price. And   6 months later,   we predicted that correctly. Actually, we're more than 6 months later since the having, aren't we? What was the having date? Late April?  

I can't remember. Yeah, sounds about right. Sure. Yeah. So we're a ways away, and we have yet to recover   back up to reasonable hash price. So for the year, we're at a 35.6%   drop.   Difficulty   difficulty is going to match the hash rate increase. We went from 72,000,000,000,000 to   108,000,000,000,000,000,   a 50% increase. And the 30 day moving having moving average hash rate went from 510 exahash to 762,   which was a 49.4%.   So we're almost   exactly on the same pace of hash rate increase to difficulty increase.   Did you understand that mom? How I explained that? Hope so. She's going to do an episode with me. She is. That's what I heard. She's very excited to talk to you about difficulty. Oh, Max. That's difficult to understand.   This is a year   over our time in doing these shows. We've gone from,   machines that were in the high twenties to low thirties in inefficiency joules per terahash. And this year there's been a number of machine releases. The S21,   17.5   joules per terahash. The S21 Pro, 15 joules per terahash. The S21 XP, 13.5 joules per terahash. And the 13.5   joules per terra hash. And the most recently released miner with decent efficiency,  

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the Canon Avaron   A15   Pro, 200 10 dash. Cold face. Oh, stretch it right into the next year of mining. It's got to be big time, baby.   16.8joule  

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per tera hash. They don't like to say jeweler.   Right.   Did before say what? Don't once say jeweler.   Wat patehas.   I think that should be something that the Chinese manufacturers really push for is to eliminate the jewels per terra hash and change it to rot. Wacism.  

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What do you guys like better? Asian people listen to this podcast.  

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And they think our Asian aggression is hilarious.  

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Yeah. He werias.  

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They're so funny.   Look at these 2, guilo or tok.  

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Rot, Jewel. What do you prefer? Rot or Jewel? You decide.   I like Jewel. Me too. Thought she was a great artist. Who will  

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save your soul from the lies that you told, boy. Before your time,  

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other stories that we've covered   on Ungovernable Misfits action news.   It's been, it's been a number. One of our favorite we brought up a lot of characters on the action news show. David Scalzo.  

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They remember him. I think miners need the huddlers need to pay miners a ransom to keep running their operations.  

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Subway guy. Oh, you like all that   sea oil sauce on your Subway   sandwich?   Give me more.   You're not gonna rip me off, buddy. No way. I'm savvy for fast food.  

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We have a representative   from the   Energy Information   Agency, Lester Sinclair.   It's me, Max. How are you, honey?   I know you love filling out my surveys.   First question,   how big is it?  

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How big is it, honey?  

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Your mining operation, what did you think I was talking about?  

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Nasty.  

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You're nasty.   Then, of course,   our representatives from Canaan with their product,  

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Was my favorite video of the year, making that for all terror. Was that you that made that? Yeah.  

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Okay. I saw the the ungoverned misfits podcast account and had reposted that video. I was like, oh, fuck. I forgot about that. That was a good one. Like, zoo zoomed in at the right time. Yeah.   I did a couple transitions that were fantastic.  

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You didn't align that. That was perfect. No. It just it was like it was meant to be, like, honestly. I love it.  

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One of the biggest standouts to me, maybe you guys can think of some action news stuff, was our solo Sundays project with Urban Hacker. I pushed it a lot, and I think nobody actually,   did the node integration   thing.   I was really hoping that was gonna take off. Urban Hacker and I were very excited at the prospects of the the solo node build project that we did. You spent entire weekends just slaving away in the command line. That's true.   Actually, Urban Hacker built that in, like, 6 hours. That's crazy. He's an incredible human being. Yeah. We started off, got an idea from Alejandro at Demandpool   that he and his CTO, I guess,   I don't know how corporate structures work, CTO, CFO, CEO, bunch of c's and o's,   was working on a node implementation where they were doing actual solo mining, and this was in response well before DATM to the mining centralization   thing. And, we liked that. Like, boy, they're really doing some SV 2 make your own, template stuff over there at Demandpool. So what we did was have them come on a, Zoom call with the Pleb Miner mafia where Filippo   explained how you can install this node implementation on your node. Once again to recap that it requires you to download Sures Provost's   version of Bitcoin Core because that reinstalls or reimplements   the, get block template command   and all of that tomfoolery that was taken out of regular node builds. And then do a couple other command line things, and I recorded the Zoom call, and I made a video of it, and I released it to everybody in the Pleb minor mafia. And they were like, I have no fucking idea what this guy is talking about or how to do this whatsoever. I'm not fucking doing it. And then Urban Hacker had some free time basically enough. And I said, hey, man. I'll give you a bounty if you can create this project for us just to make nice and and clickable   and, you know, don't have to trust you or do any kind of verification. There's don't worry. There's 2 versions of it if you want to do the the hackers way, but there's also the simple way. You just do a brand new node build. You get it up. You get it running. You point your miner to that. Boom. You're doing your own stratum v 2 block template creation. This was before   anything else. I thought we made it pretty easy.  

So if you're not into Datum and don't have a FART 9   and want to do this from scratch,   Urban Hacker, Filippo from Demandpool, Demandpool have done all of the hard work for you. All I have done basically is talk about it. Give it a shot. You might even like it better. I I I don't know. But we were out there for the decentralization thing. Just nobody  

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else. And, I I did some testing on that, obviously. Right? Because I remember there's one day you're just like, we just need some people to, like, test this out and say that it works.  

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Yeah. So,  

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besides me. Yeah. It was super easy, like, with the script that Urban made because you guys have, like, 2 options. Like, you can either run Urban script or you can, like, do a little bit more heavy lifting.   And I think people, maybe they're a little bit mistaken, like, when you talk about, like, that, version of Bitcoin Core, they're like, oh, do I have to download a whole blockchain? It's like, no. It's you could just prune it. Yep. It actually, like, goes up really quickly.   Well, I'm I'm glad. Did did you get a chance to mine with it as well? I didn't get a chance to mine with it, and that's just because I don't have any, I gotta plug in my s 9. So Oh, you could do dude, you could do it with a shit axe, dude. Just point your shit axe out at me. Oh, yeah. I should just buy one of those. But, yeah, that's definitely something I want to, get started on too because especially with, like, doing the Monero mining right now too, getting solo mining would be great. Maybe you guys are just before your time then. Maybe.  

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Everyone will catch up. Well, I feel like we've been we've been,   hopped over with the ocean and Datum thing. You think so? Yeah. It's become very popular since since the data since the data runs. I mean, Ocean's hash rate has increased like 1 and a half x a hash.   That really sent them flying because they came out in in our little forgiveness bit that we did.   You know when when to re examine your opinions on certain things. They made a lot of promises at the beginning about decentralization running your own node and then they got so embroiled with the block template thing and Luke's goofiness  

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that they lost track of it. And then when they circle back and said, okay. Now we're gonna rededicate ourselves to this decentralization thing. People like, alright. Well, you fulfilled those promises that you made at the beginning, and now we're cool. So a lot of Hashrate kicked over to those guys. Yeah. And you were really ahead of the curve on the forgiveness part too, John. You know, obviously, because, like, Luke, Luke Dash, Junior reaches out, and he's just like, what can we do for samurai? Right? And they have that, like, you can point your mining there now. And so I think they've done a lot of, like, image rehabilitation,   and that's probably a lot that's contributing to their hash rate as well. Yeah. So good for them. So are you saying we're just too far ahead of the curve? Yeah. I I'm saying that you're, like, a fortune teller and yeah. No. It hasn't paid off.  



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Some lottery numbers here.   One thing we're gonna get back to on, on government most of its action is next year is more baseload energy market updates.   Baseload has been very hard work,  

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very hard. Baseload has been very hard work. He is hard work.  

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He sure   is, has been working very hard in Fiat land and he's achieved a lot of fiat land milestones.   And now he wants to rededicate himself to education.   So I expect to see a lot more out of Baseload in the next year as far as his writings go. Somebody I want to,   take note of in the, pleb minor mafia is Body Mcbodface.   We talked about it earlier, but his transition into a stone cold fucking gangster over the past year is pretty impressive.   And his rapping skills are on point. He really is top g. Yeah. Yeah. Take that, Tate. Yeah. Little bitch. We did a very large and extended article on a guy named Agent P   who did a direct DC   mining build. That was a long, very technical article.  

And I was happy that we published that article on Ungovernable Misfits because it wasn't just talk anymore about direct DC mining. It was somebody doing it and explaining to others how to do   it, how it works, your your actual ROI numbers, your actual efficiency,   and the steps that can be taken to improve that ecosystem.   So it was pretty neat to publish that article.   Did either of you read it?  

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I guess not.  

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Yes.  

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Max was searching hard for that.   I didn't read it, mate. I'm sorry. Oh, I didn't I didn't suspect you did.   But I would have been rude to say, Jordan, did you read that one? So I I just posed the question to both of you. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. Another highlight of action news was,   the Node Runner solo pool. So we weren't the only ones with demand trying to, increase decentralization.  

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The node runners   also got things going.  

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Didn't Crown do the the leaflets for that as well? I don't know. They're like orange and black ones. Oh, is that was that Crown? Yeah. I'm pretty sure. I should have recognized his style. It is so unique. I'm pretty sure that was him.   On Un Government Misfits action news and before we even were action news,   we were we were ringing that bell on decentralization.   And,   I do believe we were we were quite early in identifying who was part of the Antpool family.   But months later, as it became more popular to identify who the Antpool family is, we did it in a song.  

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Max inserts   song here.  

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You can snap along.   Shady and they're scheming. The blocks aren't what they're seeming.   Block templates are streaming,   the Antpool family,   the templates are all mirrored, stratum works the bearer,   the miracle tree chivalera,   the Antpool family,  

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Luxor,   Gulen.  

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Binance.   They're taking over mining with every block of mining. Their central power is rising   to Antfool's   family.   Brains, they mine with foundry, while Anvil minds profoundly.   And what we are a finding's the Anvil family.   Ultimus.   BTC.com.  

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Raw pool.  

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I apologize that my, timing wasn't great on that song, but believe me, it is a it is a product of Zencastr   and the fact that we are so   decentralized from each other that this this timing just doesn't doesn't quite work out. Yeah. There was a lag. It wasn't you, was it? No.  

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No. No, sir.  

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I can nail that in one take.   Boys, got any highlights from, ungoverned woman besides action news over the past year? For me, it's been the, Kanan voice is,  

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my favorite impression   or accent, whatever you want to call it. The solo Sundays, I thought was a really cool grassroots project   and then the Node Runners solo pool in doing the work for that episode where it was first mentioned, just seeing their website, their kind of like dashboard that they had for it was it was really nice and it's like, holy crap, I want to be in this pool.   So those are definitely my highlights at the beginning, too. I remember in the first couple of action news episodes, like,   you know, putting body in the Impala.  

Yeah.   Obviously, this is where, like, you started coming out with, like, the jingles Oh. DMX one for, like, stop, drop, and boost.  

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Flick on the trigger. That's right. Jordan mentioned it. It's time to stop, drop, and boost one last time in 2024   without those phones, those podcasting 2 point o apps, whether you're using Fountain,   using Podcast Guru.   Give me another one, Jordan. Give me 2 more. You said Podverse?  

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Nope. But you did. Okay.   Here's another one. CurioCaster.   CurioCaster.  

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Set it up Shout out, chat f. Custodial or noncustodial   wallet? I don't know. But send them SATS over to us before somebody closes your lightning channels. You don't want that. Do you   make use of them SATS and give it to us your last chance to boost in 2024.   If you appreciate the show, send us some lightning stats, get on the XMR chats,   send some real Bitcoin over to our Pay NIMs. Yes. They still work. Or as Jordan always says, donates time, talent, and treasure.   If you've got some talent, write us an article,   record us a voice mail, and ask a question of q and a that he can just   rattle off. No problem because he's smart. Not like us.  

Not smart. That's why we need your money. We can't make our own.  

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That's a very good point. Go ahead, Jordan. Sorry. I cut you off. Sorry. DMX cut you off. That was his fault. Oh, yeah. I've completely lost my train of thought now. From the grave. I'm in the boost zone now. So Welcome to Max's world. Yeah. Okay. Fine. I enjoyed the fact that I managed to finally get my petters and zetas and kilo hashes all correct. And I got a pat on the back from   the, Pleb Miner community. I was, quite proud about that.   I   like our little   short sharp series,   being able to phone you throughout the night. I particularly enjoyed that.   Making the intros, that was fun.  

And probably a highlight for me,   slagging off Compass   consistently   Mhmm. And then retracting the olive branch just as we were about to put it out. We went, oh, tease, tease. No. You can't have the olive branch, cunts.  

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Ocean's cool. You're not. Yeah. My favorite part in total of action news   is spending time with you, Max.  

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Oh,   So savvy.  

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That's let that sink in everybody.  

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So nice.   I quite enjoy it as well. The homo. Yeah.  

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And now onto the show that we introduce with Max, John,   and Frank Carter, and the rattlesnakes,   we hate you, but we don't hate you, we love you. Is PMM?   What does PMM stand for? Well,   it stands for Plebminer   and MESH Tadell, or does it stand for Pleb Miner Mafia, Privacy and Mining Mavericks, Permaculture Mechanics Mycelium, Parent Led Motivation and Mentorship,   Positive Meaningful Motivation, Pure Bread Managed Mooing,   professional maple syrup manufacturing, p2p mesh messaging,   psychological mouse metropolis, positive masculinity mindset, parallel economies, mesh Jadels, and micro communities, picturesque versus modern architecture monstrosities,   psychological warfare, maintaining morale and mental resilience,   preserving marinated meat, producers, meshdel marketing,   pursuing   wellness, Max's guide to managing health and family, permaculture practitioners, mastering more than the material, disaster preparedness, plebs mobilizing and mitigating mismanagement,   pasteurized milk is malnutrition,   my favorite episodes.  

Pleb made merchandise, pernicious money, Palantir's, middle earth, and Mordor.   Parenting, mentorship, and memory, petulant, moody man child,   perturbed, and maddened misfits,   frequency   mode of molecules.   That was a good one. It was an excellent one.   Phonotherapy,   megahertz and meditation,   plebs mentally malfunctioning   and the proper pleb mental   mindset.   Jordan, what were some of your favorite episodes from PMM   or segments?  

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The one that I   took the most knowledge from, I'd say, was the pasteurized milk is,   malnutrition episode. Like, that was when we had a bunch of talking points,   and, I would actually, like, bring it up with my friends or my wife. I think I told this to the both of you in separate conversations,   right, or even the historical aspect.   I talked to my, my wife's father about that, so that was a really good episode. And then also, like, when Max brought up the frequency bit there, that was I remember that one coming out and then finding, like, the GIF for, what was it for? The sand table? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then, what was it, John? It would have been, like, 2 or 3 weeks later. Wasn't it, like, on Rogan?   We're, like, Mhmm.  

Yeah. Terrence Howard. Yep. Yes. And they're, like, talking about the exact same thing. Yeah. And it's just, like, once again, just John ahead of the curve there. Big listeners of the show. That's the thing.  

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Yeah. I don't know if we featured this well enough, but then afterwards,   he has Terrence Howard back on, and Terrence Howard identifies   elements by the sound. Jamie, can you can you play can you play that sound? And then he go, oh, that's cadmium.   I was like, you motherfuckers.   You copycat motherfuckers. I couldn't believe it. It's wild.  

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I gotta clip those and make those links. Like, I put them, like, side by side   because  

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it's so weird. That was crazy, actually. Yeah. Then he has, what's that guy's name? Barry Weinstein,  

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Wernberg.  

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Eric Weinstein. Yeah. Super Juju kind of name.   Has him on to debunk Terrence Howard. Well, there's nobody that can debunk Max. This is the real deal. Mhmm. We didn't even bother. We didn't even bother, like, having fundamentals on to debunk Max. There's no debunking to be had. We got our own that can debunk things with maths.  

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The other episode that so I don't know if it's just, like, recency bias, but so, I had mentioned the raw milk is malnutrition, but also Club Made merchandise.   So those 2 were, like, my favorite PMMs, and I don't know if that's just because you guys are coming more into that,   show as the episodes go on, but to me, those are kind of, like, that's, like, PMM staples. It's, like, talking about,   like, with the milk, it's, you know, getting rid of these old concepts, like, oh, you need to pasteurize   and showing people, like, oh, yeah. This is a product that's good for you. And then there's the Club Made merchandise side where it's, like, we're trying to grow, like, these circular economies and and the importance of that and highlighting people such as Barn Miner or Carl that are, actually doing these sorts of things. Yeah. You know, and I and I can think of future episodes where we talk about the coffee industry  

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and, you know, how fair trade got started   and the abuse of the environment from coffee growers   and, you know, the farmers that actually pick the beans and and how they're treated in the marketplace. And the fact that by the time you get your coffee and it's been roasted somewhere else, that there's already fungus growing inside the coffee, that it's lost a lot of its nutritional value and its flavor. And then tie that in with our Plaid Maid merchandise   of, okay, well, here's Otis Bittmeyer's coffee, and here's his supply chain, how he gets a chip from Guatemala to his home and roasts it right there and doesn't over roast it and ships it directly to you. That not just bitch about things,   but give you the actual solutions. Not just say, hey. Go and find somebody at the farmers market. Nope. We got somebody. Otis Spitmeyer. Order his coffee. How much do you spend on coffee a month? Don't know. But maybe you could budget some of that coffee budget to this particular coffee. I'm actually looking through all the shows. I'm surprised how many we've done. We've done so many shows. Well, those are just the topics. Those aren't the individual shows. No. They are. They're the individual shows.  



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No. No. They're not.  

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It's not true. We only did 11 shows. No. I'm looking on the website. Oh, for the oh, total shows this year, 56. Yeah. Yeah. It's unbelievable. I thought you meant PMM   shows because that's what we were talking about right now. Oh, you thought I would actually, yeah, continue a conversation in that. Yeah. In a linear way.   Big mistake.  

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You forget who you're dealing with here, mate? Never. Never forget.  

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People don't realize that, alright. So now we've been recording for 2 hours. We'll probably go, you know, 2 and a half, 3 hours on this.   This is not uncommon for our shows for some of these to be 3 hour recordings. But then by the time you get to hear it, well, Max has cut out all the fluff, the personal conversations,   talking about our hemorrhoids. Going for pisses. Yeah. Going for pisses. He's gotten rid of a lot of that. Mhmm. Not only do I spend an entire day preparing these shows,   Max spends, you know, half a day recording them, and then he spends that night editing them. And then the next 2 days editing them, Then they are handed over to Jordan, and Jordan does the transcripts,   breaks it down into chapters, does the chapter art, gets everything uploaded,   make sure that the release date is on time so we don't have to release 2 different shows or call up Barry or Oscar Mary and have them fix   our mistakes.  

Crown does all the art, make sure that it's custom artwork or that the number is proper on there. Then Crown takes that file and uploads it to YouTube. Yes. We have a YouTube channel that   you can watch, and you can watch little advertisements in between. And there's some beautiful graphics on the screen, and and everything is very high quality. That's the usual workflow for shows from Ungovernable Misfits. A lot going on behind the scenes here. I got, one more thought about, PMM for 20, 24.  

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The the one episode where I was just like, what the heck's going on here was,   wasting 1 hour of your life.  

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Oh, yeah. I didn't even have that on the list. Yeah.  

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Wasting 1 hour of your life with John and Max. As in that episode, like, if there is a lot of, like, conversation and if you look at all the boosts and, like, people going back and forth, especially Pies Pies, like, absolutely   bombed that episode with, with boosts. But I remember getting the audio on that and just being like, guys, what the fuck?  

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I don't know. What do we talk about? I don't even remember. I don't even remember. What were we talking about?  

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I didn't even do show notes.   Oh, that's another part of the workflow, show notes. Yep. If you'll notice, you know, unlike a lot of other podcasts, you can go to our website and   view our show notes as if it's its own article on a lot of the shows. Sometimes, you know, from my little ending pieces that I'll do on PMM   or Action News, I'll have an excerpt of that in the show notes. So check them out. There's a lot of good links in there for our sponsors. And, no. No. We take the time to do them. So look at them. Damn it.   My   thank you. My favorite episodes   of and that was a good burp, by the way. Thanks, man. To be mostly all out.  



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Yeah. I've, today, I've eaten nothing but sausages just by themselves, just individually just smashing sausages in my face, and then coffee. I've had, like, 4   sausages in my face, and then coffee. I've had, like, 4 cafetiers of coffee. Black. There there it is. Drink Yeah. Rube Goldberg  

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and cafetiere.  

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Yeah. So it's it's a special brew. Hey, Jordan. Can we  

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do something   Can we search our entire catalog of transcripts or do you have to go into each episode to search transcripts? Go into each episode.   How do we make it so our entire   catalog is searchable?   That's Oh, man. Something that's gotta happen. Who who can we outsource that to? How would you even structure that though? I don't know. It would be like all be in one file I guess or something that's able to go into separate files and search for keywords.   Like   I'm thinking of   an Ungovertible Misfits drinking game.   Oh,   where   Cafetiere   or Rube Goldberg, that was a very popular one for Max for a couple of months.  

Or I say moi   or body says, hey, boys,  

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you know, things  

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things like that. So then then we can have, you know, see how many instances that body has said, hey, boys, and then then have the list released, you know, for different episodes. Obviously, different episodes are gonna have more instances of a particular drinking game keyboard.   Like, it is, hey, boys worth it. You know, are you gonna get that many drinks out of it and search the entire thing? And sometimes I know we've talked about something   and I'm like, fuck. What episode is that? I have absolutely no idea. And I try to search through my word docs and and look through show notes, and I I cannot find it. But I know damn well that we talked about that thing. I think that would be a terribly useful function. I would like that. It's easy enough for me to just, like, copy every transcript  

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and put it into a text file. Well, I guess so. Yeah.  

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But I want AI   AI dudes.  

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No. Yeah. Like, you can just feed it. You got enough shit to do. Oh, what you could do is you could actually throw it all in a text file and then upload it to AI and then ask it questions about the document.  

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Alright.  

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Like, Grok does that. You just, yeah, upload the document, and then you could ask it, like, oh, is this word in those documents? How many times does it appear? You love grok. Love grok. Yeah. See, this is a a little inside baseball for everybody. This is the power of Jordan's mind  

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because you throw these things out, and he's like, oh, you could do this. And he's also excited   about it too.   You throw ideas out to me. I'm like, oh, there's no way we're gonna have time for that. Yep. But Jordan's like, oh. Oh, what you could do is Yes. Yeah. You you get a lot of that with him. What you could do is put that in your bio.  

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But, yeah, if anyone else has other ideas,   you know, boost it. Let us know. Yeah. Maybe you can tell me that, like, I'm using Shitcoin AI by using Grok,   and I should be running a massive data center with my own LLM and all that stuff.  

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Well, that's that ship has sailed. Ungovitable Misfits   are shitcoiners.   Oh, gotcha. And if you if in case anybody missed my announcement   the other day on the Twitters, I have partnered with PodConf.   And, I'm   this episode, I'm officially out of the ungovernable misfits ecosystem because they are rampant shitcoiners.   Yeah. That's fair enough. Filled out my Real Plebs paperwork.   I have been accepted.   So I'm I'm already on the board. I received some airdropped compliance tokens   as part of the compensation   arrangement   and being a Real Plebs influencer.  



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So thanks, PodCom, for having me. You and Lubbka are, like, best friends now? Pretty much. Yeah.  

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You'll fit right in, mate. I I can't I can't abide by the shit coinery.   I like here's my favorite part about the slight   dust up, slight fallout, is anybody that has been listening to Bit by Bit and Ungovertible Misfits   knows   that privacy   and sovereignty and freedom   are the number one aspects of this organization.   And then how whatever you do to attain privacy,   sovereignty,   freedom,   you do that thing.  

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Most people who are doing any,   dusting up with me at the moment   are probably not listeners. They can't be. There's no fucking way. Yeah. Listening on 3 x speed. They're one of those fucking weirdos.  

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Just to say that you you get your 40 hours of podcasting in. Well, that's it. Yeah. It's fraud. I tried not to get get mad and just be nasty at everybody, so I thought comedy was the best way to to approach this situation.   2 of my favorite PMM episodes   were the purebred managed mooing, where we had Joel   from untapped growth or Joel untapped growth. I don't know if he's from there, if he is it. He is it. He is it. Yeah. To explain   what he's been doing at his farm and his breeding program   and, why management intensive grazing is important and his herd share program. And then at the same time, I shared my own little small cow journey and how, me and and my partner,   Andy, have gotten started on our own little cattle operations.  

And as we scale up, as I scale up my mining operations and the project that I'm working on, I'm at the same time thinking of how I scale up my cattle operations.   This mesh sale journey, this action news journey, this regenerative agriculture and mining thing, they are coming up together for me. I never separate the 2. I'm always thinking about 1 or the other. And Joel has been deeply,   inspirational to me on that journey. I owe him a lot. So that was a very important episode to me. And I I don't want I don't want to have recency bias, so I I went right back to the beginning.   And, also,   SolEx. We explained what the mesh to del was in the initial episode. We played clips from SolEx and SolEx boys recording that they did,   explaining a bit of the mesh to del and, you know, why it exists.  

And, I thought that was a very important episode as well. So those are my PMM highlights.  

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Nice. Way to take it all back. Hey. Yeah. Thanks.  

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It is the Christmas season here at Ungovernal Moose. It's Max. Will this show go out before, Christmas? That is the plan. Yes. Okay. Well, at 2 hours and 19 minutes, I'm sure you're gonna get this edited right up.   So let's throw it. Let's throw something else in the mix,   from the Young Guppable Misfits crew. We wish you all a merry Christmas.  

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Snowflakes   tears fall   because we are still here.   Unger vulnerable spirits have no fear.   The listener streaming   does not cease.   Podcasting,   2 point, old masterpiece.   Crazy misfits   trading   peer to peer,   You are the parasite's   biggest fear.   Your value   keeps our fire bright.   Every download   feels just right.   We wish you an ungovernable   Christmas   with every wild and crazy twist.   Thank you, cunts,   for your love and cheer,   for sticking with us year by year.   No bankers   telling us to hush.   Your support is enough to make a hat hat   blush. Through the highs and through   the lows,   you've made an og over and over. Oh, come on.  



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No. I had nothing to do with it.   This is  

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is  

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Oh,  

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that's a guitar solo if I've ever heard one.  

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Wow.   They are exactly fast.  

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We wish you an ungovernable   Christmas.  

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With web and web and web and web and create  

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a twist   like your cunts.   Love and cheer.   Sticking with a year by year.   For sticking with a year by   here.   For sticking with us here by here.  

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Thank you, Kuntz.   Wrote that this morning, mate, with my first cafeteria.   Come on, boy.  

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I like, were you ever a musician?  

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Can't confirm.  

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Okay.   Because it just seems like the timing and stuff like that. Like, there's just the melody and   Yeah. Yeah. Seems like you have some intuition.  

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Yeah.  

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The AUI writes it for you, you know.  

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No. It didn't.   I wrote that.   Did you put in there, like, guitar solo begins? No. I didn't do that bit. Wow. But I chose, like, types of music and kind of, like, mood of music.   And then   I tried to get AI to write something, but it was fucking woeful, so I just wrote the thing myself. Incredible.   Thank you, mate.   We got some skills between us all. You know that? Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Is wait. Is is the show over? Are we just riffing now?  

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No. It's not over. I'd like to talk about our special episodes.   Oh, yeah. These are non confab episodes. The last 2 recorded   were, one with Ashigaru   and the announcement   of Foundation Devices,   super crazy awesome passport   kind of thing. Actually, forget what it's called. Passport Prime, like an Optimus Prime.   Max, everybody's been asking   me, you know, this is privately behind the scenes. I was talking to,   somebody kind of important in Bitcoin mining. Kind of a big deal? They are kind of a big deal in the Bitcoin mining world. Yes.   Barn miner. No. Not him.  

Low level.  

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Goat.  

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Low level goat boy. They were asking about Ashigaru.   Okay. Is it real? Are they feds? I don't trust it. And I said, I think the best thing for you to do is to go and listen to the episode that Max did with them. Yeah. Well, that was kind of the idea is to get them on so that people can start to  

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understand that there are human beings behind this. You know, it's really difficult when   they don't have a social media presence.   Obviously, their privacy is paramount.   They can't be taking any risks. So to be honest, I was actually surprised they even decided to trust us with the interview,   and that is something that Jordan put a huge amount of effort into, and then a huge amount of effort went into   us actually   making sure that we keep them as private as possible by,   well, Jordan, you explained the,   process of that, but it was not a simple process.  

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Yeah. So, alluding to what Max said there. Because, like, on the brief, we were getting questions like, oh, like, should I trust Ashigaru? Like, who are these guys? In Sovereign Bitcoin or in the Telegram chat, there'd be some people that were just like, I don't know about this. And even guys like Otto, shout out Otto, had, like, audited the code, kind of posted on Twitter like, hey, this stuff looks good. So, I obviously have a lot of trust in Otto there. But,   it was just kind of, you know, throwing it out there. We reached out to them via email and just said, like, hey, this is our proposal. These are the tools we can use. So, when it came to, like, 11 Labs using a voice changer   and, you know, being able to edit the transcript, we can take things out, you know. So we worked like it was like emailing back and forth all the time. And they were very,   they were very down with the idea of doing the podcast because they had kind of felt like the same thing. They don't want to have a Twitter presence or social media presence because they see that as,   you know, a part of that samurai indictment as well. You can see, like, there's certain tweets that, the DOJ points to, right? So, having that as a weak point   is not something that seems appealing to them. And so, I think we were able to put out an episode with a lot of work and a lot of back and forth that can, you know, help push this project forward. This is, like, really grassroots.  

Right? And we got to put in all the effort around the whole space to kind of get it going and, get people to trust it, get the downloads going.   And even the projects surrounding it too. Right? Like, Ashigaru Dev mentions in the episode. Right? So we're talking about Dojo, talking about Sentinel,   OXT.   People kind of need to saddle up and get these, other projects that kind of make up the whole ecosystem and get those off the ground. So, yeah, shout out to Pavel, the coder. Right? Keeping Dojo going, getting that updated with, you know, Bitcoin Core and and making sure that, it's a stable release. So   people go and donate to Pavo as well. Yeah. I have to say,  

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in preparation   for the interview,   just setting Ashigaru up and transacting with it, It really is an incredible wallet. I'm very, very happy to see that it's around and that there's a dedicated team working on this. There's, like, nostalgia there. Like, it brought me back to the early days in Bitcoin because, you know, I was a very heavy user of Samurais.   The updates that they'd made,   in all honesty, like, kind of thought, oh, Ashigarou is just kind of like samurai rebranded.   In some ways, it is, but also there's a huge amount of work that's gone into   making it slicker,   the post mix spending tools   and connectivity and, like, how fast things are working. It's just, it's a real pleasure to use. So I hope that more people   will at least try and run this thing now. People can go through the code and make sure that everything is as it should be. And with a little bit of time and more communication from them, whether it's through this pod or other sources,   I think that will help. And they gave me a cool Pay NIM, which was very nice of  

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them. But they're feds though. Right? You can tell me. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Okay. Cool.  

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I knew it. Yeah. I mean, the great thing about open source is that people can check that. They can check what information they would have and if there's any problems. It's all out there. Has anybody done a write up on their experience  

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examining the software? Yeah. Like I had mentioned earlier, I could probably put in the show notes, but pretty much right away, like, Otto in Sovereign Bitcoin, or he did a, an audit of the code. And there's also an AI audit of the code, I think, as well.   Yeah. They mentioned that. Yeah. But, yeah, it checked out, from Auto's perspective. But, yeah, I'll link that in the show notes. What does one need to get an awesome   customized Pay NIM? Oh, Ashigaru dev,   kind of outlined that in the episode. So it's just about contributing to the community. You know, so he had mentioned Catan   and BTC Sessions because they had done videos on Dojo and Ashigaru   that they got,   custom painted.  



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There you go. That's donating your talents. 100%.  

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So what's mine now? It's just plus misfit, isn't it? Yes. It is.   Yeah. And it's cool with our little ungovernable logo, the anarchist symbol on the glasses.   Very, very cool. So thank you, Ashigaru  

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dev, if you're listening. If somebody wanted to donate money to the Ashigaru,   platform, how would they go about doing that? You gotta get,  

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a pain in respecting wallet so that, you know, obviously, that could be, like, Stack Wallet or Ashigaro itself. Yeah. And, you just donate to the Ashigaro Pay NIM.  

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And finally,   to wrap up all of the offerings, the 56   offerings before this show was recorded actually, before the most recent Bitcoin brief was recorded, which was last night. No. You have. That's Monday. That's Monday. What did you record last night?  

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Oh, something on our stat. Secret and special.  

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Out.  

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Talk about it. Yeah. Do it. Do it. Let's play the intro   that I worked very hard on. I don't know why it's not playing.  

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Motherfucker.  

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Oh, hold on. Hold on. That was my fault. Will fall victim to a ransomware attack every last second 11 seconds.  

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I am investigator   investigator  

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investigator.   Investigator.  

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And I work supporting   it, IRSCI  

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ACD.   DCP. DCP. DCP. DCP. DCP. DCP. DCP. DCP.  

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Our agenda for today,   we're gonna start with just the basics of Monero.   What it is, what how it works, how it works.  

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Monero is considered a privacy token.  

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The world's   most private  

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privacy. Which means that in high, virtually all transaction details.  

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The world's   most private   privacy.  

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Which allows cyber for criminals.  

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Now it's now definitely the most well known as the brain of the world's  

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most private   privacy. Regulated,  

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regulated, and regulated, and not listed, not regulated. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?  

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I'm losing our own. Okay. You're losing our own rage.  

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The most mysterious   teaser ever.  

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Something   new is coming.  

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Oh, we're doing the foundation thing,  

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No.   What?   Could you not just hear the sound board going,   You're in the same room as us, aren't you? Oh, no. I mean, like, with the teasing. No. But he's on a different planet.   He's so many light years ahead that sometimes he goes around twice and he's slightly behind.   What are you guys talking about?  

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That particular   teaser was teasing   something new on Ungovertable Misfits,   and we're just following in the footsteps of Foundation   and their longest   tease   ever for their Passport Prime.   Yes. One of the most recent episodes of Ungovertible Misfits was Zach and Q   with Max talking about the Passport Prime and all of its new features.   What did you think? I think I didn't listen to it, but I did watch come. I did I'm I'm behind on some things. I did watch,   Zack's   release.  

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Pretty neat. Yeah. It's pretty cool. I've been having teasers for a very long time   and little bits of information passed to me. It is above and beyond what I even thought it was gonna be. Obviously,   it's gonna ruffle a lot of feathers. It always was going to, but it's a really incredible device. Like, the things that it's gonna unlock   over the coming years, I think,   gonna be mind blowing. So I'm very proud of that team and very proud to be associated with them. Can I ask a question? Go for it.  

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People are a little weary   about   getting a device like this   because they're worried about the complexity of it. Mhmm. And putting   new things into your life that are complex   could potentially   risk your Bitcoin savings setup.   Agree. What do you have to say to people like that?  

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I would say to people like that, firstly, listen to the episode because we do kind of go through some of this, but this is a device   not to replace the passport.   This is something   that can do other stuff as well. So   for me personally,   I'm not going to just jump into using this device, get rid of my previous passports, my cold storage setup, and just go, oh, I'm gonna just do this new thing. I'm gonna be using this in replacement of YubiKeys. I'm gonna be using this   to store files on encrypted files on there that you couldn't otherwise do. I'm gonna be using this to   import all my current   phone wallets that I'm using   and store all of those on there, and then back them up in a secure way rather than having them on random bits of paper because I test so many different things.  

It's something that just adds more functionality.   And then the fact that this has   a new operating system that other teams can build on top of, Cake being the first,   means that people who are using Monero or other things can actually have something that is secure   with a nice UX   rather than just having everything on a phone. So I personally   wouldn't be   changing my setup,   but it is also very good for people who are new coming into Bitcoin   who   want to have some hardware, and   this makes it very, very easy   to be secure. So, like, yeah, there are trade offs with everything. I do think the way that they've handled things and the decisions they've made are very smart. But,   like with anything new, I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket. I just don't think that's ever a good idea. No matter how much I trust Zac and Kyu and the team, I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket. Well, I I'm convinced I'm gonna go out and buy a cold card right now.  

It has been amusing seeing   the groupies come out to play.   Guys,   NVK is not gonna fuck you.   You no matter how much you try and fud something that you don't understand,   he's not gonna tip your balls. And all of the stupid tweets that I've seen come out just fundamentally do not understand what this device   does and why it's been built. All the attacks and, things, calling them shitcoiners and everything else is like, no. They've built an operating system and people   choose to use whatever applications they want. It's no different to something like Start9 as we've talked about before, having this community   application.  

So someone like me who wants to run a Monero node as well can do that. They're just being attacked in an unreasonable way, I think, because they are seen as a threat.   I always thought they would be. Ever since the first day I spoke to Zach, I understood that this is someone who can build a team and build a product that is gonna be outside of the   circle jerking   bullshit and bring a real product to market that normal human beings can use. This is why I think the confab episodes are so important  

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because you get to know Zac as a person too, not just this character on Twitter who's battling this, you know, other guy and defending himself all the time. And Mhmm. You get to know who he is. I mean, listen. That that's a big, hurdle to get over. I find out this guy really wants to orange pill the Amish so he can buy, you know, grass fed beef and and,   raw milk with Bitcoin.   That's a big deal. And once you get to know these people as another human being, I mean, somebody you would go out and you'd hang out with, that you would play racketball with perhaps,   or have a martini.  

Pickleball.   Pickleball.   Would you like to play squash and have a martini?   Squash's a great game. I'd play squash with Zach. Yeah. I'm sure you would. You lower your guard a little bit, and you're more open to understanding their point of view. You also understand that you've got Zach  

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and Q and Seth who have all worked on this,   especially Q. Like, he's one of my close friends. Like, anything that Q works on, I know that there aren't silly compromises being made.   Everything that he does   is to make people more private, more secure, and more free. That's what he cares about more than anything else. So you can see by who's behind this where it's going. People that are in the Ungovertible Misfits, you know, close inner circle, the Ungovertible Misfits family, they're they're really well qualified  

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to be in this group. We just don't we're just not taking open applications   Yeah. To be a part of this family. Definitely not. So if you haven't listened to a second of Ungovernable Misfits and you're casting shitcoin or dispersions   on the family.  

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You're casting dispersions on my family.  

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I don't like it. Make me mad.  

[00:56:30] Unknown:

You're probably a piece of shit and gay. Yeah. Totally. Well, I mean, most of our listenership is gay. So Why are you gay?   Yeah. It's like gays and Asians that listen to Ungovernable Misfits. So Geishins. Geishins.  

[00:56:43] Unknown:

Hey.   Yo.   Oh, we are in sync. We came up with the Asians at the same time.   Thoughts, Jordan?  

[00:56:52] Unknown:

On just foundation? Or   Yeah.   Yeah, like I, I had had some conversations with people and, you know, there's people that say that, like, they complain about, like, the   price point, but, you know, obviously,   in my opinion, for what you get in there, and I think Zach did a pretty good job of saying, like, you know, you could have, like, 5 YubiKeys   or you could have one of these, you know what I mean?   So there was that point of it. And then, you know, from a technological   standpoint,   the 3 ways to back up and especially including, like, the NFC part, and the NFCs don't, like, look like hotel keys. They look like, you know, crafted, and they look like they're a part of the product.   So you take the backup part of it. As a power user or a noob, there's a way to backup your stuff.  

So that's cool.   There's the Bluetooth part that I think is,   another   great way to, you know, expand your product to more people and make it, like, more noob friendly   because, you know, I think,   as all of us know, there's a lot of things that we do   that are very complicated and very time consuming   that people just won't bother with. When you make those ease of use things like, the Bluetooth thing that Foundation has done with Quantum Link, I think that's a very cool thing. Once again, open source, right? Not black box tech.   And then with KeyOS being an open source app ecosystem   that people can build upon major plus   and then also the team, like, you're also, like, voting with, your dollars for the team that you like as well, right? So   when I think about Q, I mean, Q's already a teammate of mine in Ungovernal Misfits,   and he also works at Foundation.  



[00:58:33] Unknown:

So anyone that's my teammates and, you know, those kind of crew members, I'm gonna vouch for them, and, that's just just being honest about it. Yeah. The other thing that I I don't think I've brought it up in the episode, but I was speaking to Q and Zach about it off air is I think this device is really useful for random things that people haven't thought of even. Like I was saying to them, you know, they've got this, like, file storage part. Yeah. A big problem that a lot of people have as Bitcoin is just like, what happens if you get hit by a bus? A lot of our setups are very, very complicated,   and there's a lot of moving parts.  

Family members,   you don't wanna just share exactly everything because that could potentially be an issue.   But you don't want if you were to get hit by a bus for your family not to get your Bitcoin.   So I was saying, like, it might be quite nice to use this device   to store a very clear instruction manual   on an encrypted device   where if anything is to happen to you, the PIN code and the backups   are sent from other individuals to your   family.   And now they can calmly and quietly go through   and make sure that they actually can recover all the Bitcoin that you have hidden wherever in the world in whatever clever way. And it stops it from being, like, in a book or in a will, which can just be accessed by anyone. It's on a secure encrypted device.   So even just for that, I think this is really powerful.  



[01:00:05] Unknown:

Yeah. And, like, to further your point there, and I've been talking with, there's this one company where I'm at here, and they've been they've been mining for a bit, and then they also wanna get into holding Bitcoin as well, like, not, like, not sailor style, like, it's more of, like, a liquidity   play for them. So getting in and out of dollars and all that stuff. And with this device coming out, like, it just makes it easier for them, right, like, especially with those 3 keys, like, if you if you use the NFC style part, right, so, you know, you have 3 trusted members at that,   company,   right, they handle it, they go through, like, a vault concierge kind of setup with q   and bing, bang, boom, you're done and you don't need any more middlemen or anything like that because I think, like, a lot of people   say from, like, the normie angle, like, they really like to hold something,   so,   you know, devices such as these that can hold, like, even, like, other important company stuff as well, right? You were talking about the file system. There's big advantages to that.  



[01:01:06] Unknown:

Yeah. Fucking shit, go on us.  

[01:01:10] Unknown:

In April of this year, we touched on it a little bit earlier when we were going through all the episodes.   But, obviously, with the samurai arrests,   I just thought it would be something that, you know, it's still T Dev and samurai are still not free.   So it's something we should for sure touch on and direct people to. So, you know, go and donate   to,   Samurais. The link will be a clickable chapter here, or you can go into our show notes   and,   go and do the thing there. Also mentioning it as well, damn cool wrote a great article   about, the injustice,   and it was titled hashtag freesamurai.  

And,   it was awesome putting that together. We had a couple emergency episodes there. One was with you and Q, right, which was right after I remember getting that out on the Friday,   on the side of the road  

[01:01:59] Unknown:

just so people knew what was going on. And then with the freeze I guess, if you want to, kind of, talk about that process on that one, Max. The one with me and Q? Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was just, you know, like, it it all happened, and me and Q were just talking about it just generally on the phone, like, shocked and, like, what the fuck? Like, this is   this is crazy.   We just decided it was important to make a short episode   to explain what had happened   and to make sure that people understood   the importance of this and   how ridiculous   and unjust   it is.  

For a long time now, pretty much since the beginning of me getting involved in Bitcoin,   the samurai   team   and group of individuals around it have been a massive part of this show and Uncoverable Misfits and,   a lot of them had become good friends. And so   it was pretty shocking   when it happened.   I don't think there's any other team in Bitcoin   that got close to allowing as much freedom and who put themselves   in harm's way to further the freedom of other individuals   as that team. We just wanted to make sure that it was explained to people   that   way and that,   that we,   we have a huge amount of respect for them and,   Yeah. That everyone else should as well if they care about freedom and privacy in Bitcoin at all. You have to respect that team and and that you should be supporting them in any way you can, whether it's talking about the case and and making other people aware or whether it's supporting them financially.  

If you care about this movement at all and you actually understand it, this is the biggest thing going on right now. It's not a fucking strategic preserve or what sailor is stacking or   whatever other nonsense is going on in the news. MSTR,   baby.  

[01:03:53] Unknown:

Yes. Yeah. Yes.   Anyway, we put that together just a short episode for those reasons and, got it out as quick as we could. And then going on to the free samurai article, that was a cool one as well. Because as soon as I looked at it, I was like, man, we should totally get this in the feed. And then John was, kind enough to to read it in his smooth and sultry voice. Oh, yeah. Yeah, baby.  

[01:04:19] Unknown:

That was an honor to be able to do,   to read Dan Kool's article.   Great writer, extremely thorough, well organized article, and,   you know, even translated into Spanish. I don't know if anybody read it in in Spanish,   but,   I understand a lot of people don't have time to read these long articles. Or if you're like Max and you're dyslexic and you you physically cannot read an article that long, I was glad that we we were able to get that episode out so people could listen to it and and get a better understanding of what a crock of horseshit   this arrest in this severely delayed case is.  

Yeah.  

[01:04:58] Unknown:

Yeah.   I was just going to do a little bit of a sidebar   for the listeners out there. You'll know what I'm talking about if you listen to him. But, anytime that Tucker Carlson talks about Bitcoin, he always brings up the issue that,   he can't spend privately. So what's the point? And he's, like, I thought this was, like, the whole point of cryptocurrency   was for me to, you know, protect my spends from surveillance.   And recently had Roger Veron, and it was really disappointing that Roger, while he's being persecuted himself, he didn't mention the samurai case and especially because he knew those guys. It's a shame that he didn't mention them. It feels like we're, you know, the Overton window is shifting, and I and I think it's gonna be shifting in the favor of this unlawful case against samurai as well. So, hopefully, we can keep putting it out there, and maybe Tucker will grab on to the case at some point. That would be good. We need a normie to say samurai,  

[01:05:48] Unknown:

unfortunately.   Totally. We can keep,   screaming at each other in in our little echo chamber, but I feel even Bitcoin,   Twitter as a whole has kinda moved on from it. I'm I'm really glad, you know, there's certain people out there, the Sovereign Bitcoin accrue, the more visible people like Econo Alchemist, constantly   still harps on it. There are a number of free samurai accounts on Twitter that harp on it every day. Diverter has done a great job of keeping it out there, but it needs to it needs to break out of the sovereign Bitcoiner   umbrella. Yeah. Get into normie land, and, hopefully, we can just keep beating that drum.  



[01:06:24] Unknown:

Yeah. Oh, and and on that note,   one of those free samurai accounts had, recently posted   that, there's there's a new website called the Dojo Bay, and they are doing a public dojo. So, this is one of these things that Ashigaru talked about in their in their episode with us, you know, having accessible public dojos   and having many of them and community run and all that stuff. Right? So there's main net and a test net one available,   for people. And, you know, this is how you kind of get the word out there and go grassroots,   with this sort of stuff.  



[01:06:57] Unknown:

Even before the the samurai arrest, Ungovernable Misfits was ahead of the curve. Q and Max did a great job of covering the tornado cache case. And, Max, you even you've made a cute little song. Sick of this shit. Oh, yeah. That was a cute song. That was a cute song. Wish we had a queued up. That was a good one. I'll insert that. Insert now.  

[01:07:17] Unknown:

Yeah. My name is Tore Acland. I am a,   federal criminal defense lawyer.   We're representing   Roman Sterlingoff, who   has been unjustly accused by the United States government of running a custodial   Bitcoin mixer called Bitcoin Fog. But the main problem that they have is that there's not a single piece of evidence anywhere   that he   ever operated   Bitcoin Fog.   What, quote, unquote, evidence that they have is all based on this   really shoddy   blockchain forensics   conducted   mainly by a company that I've since found that the Sick of the shit. Big community really, really loves called Chainalysis.   Yeah.  



[01:08:00] Unknown:

Sick of the shit. Fucking sick of the shit.  

[01:08:05] Unknown:

What's got you getting sanctioned and arrested?  

[01:08:07] Unknown:

It's a really good question. Sick of this shit.   We work with a surveillance firm. Basically, a private investigator,  

[01:08:13] Unknown:

one of those chain analysis clones. Sick of this shit. So, okay. That's fine.  

[01:08:19] Unknown:

Sick of these fakes Sick of these low last necks I don't rate Sick of comparisons I don't relate I'm the one I hate but for goodness sake Sick of these hipsters Sick of these tricks that's dueling the mix I'm sick of it, mate Sick of these breads I'm sick of these jakes What's it gonna take? Are you awake? Sick this government, look at the state. Same old debate, just give me a break. I'm sick of this shit. What's threatening to the government is you can move $1,000,000,000  

[01:08:42] Unknown:

to a private wallet in sub Saharan Africa without KYC   AML.   So you can expect that they'll have rags around the ladder   and that's totally fine.  

[01:08:55] Unknown:

We work with a surveillance front, basically a private investigator. So,  

[01:09:01] Unknown:

okay.  

[01:09:04] Unknown:

That's fine. And that's totally fine.  

[01:09:10] Unknown:

So, okay. That's  

[01:09:14] Unknown:

fine. And that's totally fine.  

[01:09:17] Unknown:

We work with a surveillance firm, basically a private investigator.  

[01:09:22] Unknown:

So, okay. That's fine.  

[01:09:26] Unknown:

There was a lot of foreshadowing   when you guys were discussing   the tornado cache case that this could happen to samurai. This could happen to Whirlpool. And unfortunately, it didn't. Oh, yeah. And especially like in, the tornado cache, case. Right? The 2 individuals,  

[01:09:41] Unknown:

Roman storm and Roman Semenov, you know, and it's it's an Ethereum. So then people just kind of if you're in, like, Bitcoin land, you're just like, those are just shitcoiners. Like, who cares? Ridiculous take. Yeah, exactly. And meanwhile, it was like a it was a very functioning, you know, smart contract system that,   did as advertised.   But at the same time, there's been some really good,   rulings coming out recently regarding Tornado Cash,   not so much the Bitcoin Fog case at this point, but hopefully Roman Sterlingoff gets the same kind of treatment.   Obviously, Tornado   Cash on the Roman storm side of it, they've put together a dismissal of the case altogether, so that's being tabled. So we'll see how that goes.  



[01:10:22] Unknown:

There seems to be a slight change   in the perception of these things at least. I mean, 2024 has been great in many ways. It's also been   terrible   in others and,   the samurai case and these other cases,   and all the sort of locking down of freedoms has been pretty shitty to see, but I'm hoping that 2025,   things turn around.  

[01:10:47] Unknown:

There we go. End 2024 with a reverse burp. Do you like that? Yeah.  

[01:10:53] Unknown:

I sure did. Anything else to cover?  

[01:10:56] Unknown:

I don't have anything else on my list. One last person I want to take the time to thank is mister Crown.   Invited him on this episode, but he's he's too shy. He just sent a little zipper face emoji, didn't he?  

[01:11:10] Unknown:

Yeah.   A little BDSM   looking  

[01:11:14] Unknown:

emoji. You're just going to have to appreciate artwork and the way the website is set up and the YouTube channel and his innumerable   number   numbers   of   fucking hell. It's been a long recording, guys.   The number of ways that he contributes to Ungovernable Misfits. Yeah. Big thank you to mister Crown. So if we didn't take enough time to shout out to Crown, we love you, buddy. Yeah. We do. Love you so much. Yeah. We love you long time. Love you, Crown.   You now say it in an Asian voice.  

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Love a long time. Mhmm.  

[01:11:52] Unknown:

Well, I think that about rounds out the show. I now need to get to, my little editing station. But it's been a pleasure working as closely as I've been able to with you guys most of the time. Sometimes it's fucking frustrating, and I wanna jump off a bridge, but I appreciate you both.   What? You know you're fucking winding me right up, you cunts.  

[01:12:14] Unknown:

But I still love you, and, yeah, I appreciate you. Still love you too. I love you, Jordan. Thank you for turning ungovernable misfits into,   into what we are today. We owe a lot. We do. Of course, number 1, Max Max not being a sugar baby anymore. Yes. Yeah. But a close second is,   your participation   in not just producing the show, but running the household.   Yeah. Chasing us down with a wooden spoon.  

[01:12:40] Unknown:

Yeah. We love you, mom. Well, it wouldn't happen without the talent. It's all about you guys. That's true. It is all about us.   What a circle jerk. What a circle jerk. Oh, yeah. We are totally circle jerking right now. So Jeez.  

[01:12:53] Unknown:

Alright. Fuck off you cunts. Fucking let's tear the band aid off. Fuck. Hey. You're amazing, guys.  

[01:13:00] Unknown:

Have an average Christmas and a shitty New Year, you fucking pricks.  

[01:13:06] Unknown:

Oh, that was really good.   Yeah. I think so. Jordan, this is the part in the show where we kinda just chat a little bit and then Max fades out. Oh my god. This is like the green room.   Yeah. It   is. Sometimes we have some really good conversations in this part, but nobody ever gets to Europe.   It would just be garbled. Frank Carter.   What was good about it? Let's review that too. So the best of flowers.  

[01:13:37] Unknown:

Oh, dry up. Just an empty show.   We are the wind being blown