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Unknown:
Dear ungovernable misfits, John here. I apologize if you tuned in to listen to this episode live and had to endure fifteen painful minutes of Max trying to run OBS and stream live across all platforms. I've taken the liberty of hacking the ungovernable misfit server and editing fifteen minutes down to five. The show was great despite Max's failings as a host, producer, and just generally as a human being. Thanks to all of the listeners keeping the ungovernable spirit alive, alive, Seth for his patience, and two, foundation for last week's giveaway.
Enjoy the show.
[00:00:48] Unknown:
Just a heads up. I'm getting audio from you in the livestream, but not in Zencastr. I just wanna make sure you knew that.
[00:00:56] Unknown:
You can't hear me in Zencastr.
[00:00:57] Unknown:
You were muted there. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang
[00:01:16] Unknown:
Okay. There's so many maxes. Can you hear me now? This is horrible. One's a month. Just a minute. Muted the mic in here. So Sounds alright. I think I'm gonna capture. Fine. Yeah. It's fine. Okay. Well, we are actually live in that case. Welcome, everyone, to Freedom Tech Friday episode two. We're gonna be talking about AI today, whether it is a tool for good or a tool for bad. Is it a freedom tech? Can it be? And we're also gonna cover a load of the questions that we didn't manage to cover on the last episode as well as people's top three favorite tools for freedom tech privacy and freedom.
And the winner this episode is gonna get a free samurai hat, hoodie, and t shirt. And, a big thank you to Foundation for giving away a passport prime last week that went to Super Fat Arrow. So congratulations to you, May. And, yeah, very excited for this show. I can't believe how well the last one went. I'm a little bit nervous because I'm at the helm here with all the tech stuff, which is fucking dangerous if we're all honest with ourselves. But,
[00:02:30] Unknown:
yeah, Q had a Hindu and couldn't make it. My first question is, what the hell is a Hindu?
[00:02:36] Unknown:
A Hindu? It's, where a bride to be goes out with all her mates, like a stag do, but for for women
[00:02:45] Unknown:
like you. You people in your your bastardization of the English language. We made this. Stag do, hit do.
[00:02:53] Unknown:
I think you call it a bachelorette party.
[00:02:55] Unknown:
Yeah. Bachelor party and bachelorette party. Yeah. That's it. We'll keep things simple. You gotta use your animal terminology.
[00:03:06] Unknown:
So he's swanning off somewhere for his hen too with a sash and all that kind of stuff. Left me with all the tech stuff. Luckily, Jordan jumped in and went through with me for about four hours testing and setting everything up. So, let me know if you can hear or not. Oh, we've got vibrant subtleties. Seth may be muted. Can't hear him. I only hear Max, by the way. Oh, no.
[00:03:32] Unknown:
Oh, no. Yeah. It depends on when they tuned in, but I think Jordan or, yeah, Jordan was saying the same thing in Telegram. I'm definitely coming through on Zencastr.
[00:03:42] Unknown:
But Yeah. Okay. Fucking hell. This is Left me with all the tech stuff. Yeah. I just hear myself. Horrible. Yeah. I don't hear you either.
[00:03:53] Unknown:
Yep.
[00:03:55] Unknown:
Oh, god. Right. Right. Sorry, everyone, because you all came for Seth. So I think the delay. I'm not going to talk to her. Please hear Seth's lovely voice.
[00:04:20] Unknown:
I'm still not coming through. Yeah. Okay. Should I just unplug the same headphones off or something like that? I don't think that'll do it. I think it's just being piped to the wrong place.
[00:04:36] Unknown:
Damn it. Like sorry, everyone. Yeah. Audio output capture. Yeah. I can add it. I create a new one. Device. And it gives me the drop menu. No options. Just says enable downloading, but no devices. Sorry, everyone. This is we did do testing as well. I'm gonna just try doing it without headphones. That's the only thing I can think because I just don't know what else to do at this point. But
[00:05:35] Unknown:
you can try it.
[00:05:39] Unknown:
I've taken those off. Going now into Zencastr to see if that's just changed now. Can you hear me still, Seth? Yep. Yep. Okay. I can also hear myself echoing through your mic. But
[00:05:50] Unknown:
Fuck's sake. Yeah. I mean, I'm not really sure. Let's give it four or five more minutes. And if we can if we can get it sorted, let's just call it and maybe do a makeup one on Tuesday or something. Oh, oh, Jordan said I can hear him now. I can't hear you right now, Max, but Jordan said he can hear me now less than a minute ago. Can you hear me now? Yeah. I hear you.
[00:06:11] Unknown:
Do you know what? I think we've actually fixed it just by taking the headphones off. What? Okay. Well, I don't hear myself echoing either, so I think we're good. Okay. Alright. Well, look. I'm sorry to everyone who has just gone through that fifteen minutes of pain. It it was sort of expected. I thought this is going a bit too smoothly, and I was all proud of myself, and maybe that's what brought on the pain. So apologies. You've heard me waffle. I've done the intro. We know what we're talking about. You all wanna hear Seth's beautiful voice.
[00:06:44] Unknown:
Seth, what are we covering today, mate? Oh, we got a a good on point topic, AI. We've got a ton of good questions for everybody. Man, they're they're piling in. Definitely keep them coming throughout this live show. Throughout the week in between shows, we're gonna keep just kind of a a running list and pull out the best questions. So thankful to all the people who've submitted questions so far, and some really good ones we got to cover last week. I know we're gonna be a little shorter on time this week, so we definitely will not get to all of them. But we'll get to all the ones that we can.
But I think first, probably, let's jump into the the seminal topic of today. What did you wanna what did you wanna chat about with AI, Max?
[00:07:22] Unknown:
Yeah. I I want us to talk about AI. You know, we're talking about Freedom Tech and leaving on all these different tools to make our lives better and safer for our families and take back control. There's always that, like, trade off between the privacy and the ease of use and all the security and ease of use. And what I found personally is I'm leaning on AI more and more just because there's so much to get done with ungovernable misfits, creating artwork, like doing the the voices that we do, the AI stuff, doing, show notes, doing research, doing whatever it is, like, more and more all of us are starting to use it.
And I was saying to Q the other day, actually, I was like, because, yeah, we shouldn't probably be using this stuff. I was like, I know. But if you don't, at this stage, it's hard to keep up. You kind of start to get left behind. And my assumption is there's gonna be ways to use this without giving all of your details. I know there are some services that do it already. There's gonna be ways to run this stuff locally, and that kind of thing. So I wanted to talk about it because it seems like more and more people are using it, and it kind of seems like antithetical to the whole privacy movement that we talk about all the time.
[00:08:53] Unknown:
Yeah. AI is one of those weird things where it's like it's kind of antithetical to privacy in two different ways. Like, first on the training side, basically, how AI models work is they hoover up all the data they possibly can and then use that to build these AI models on top of. So there's been a ton of stuff where they're they're collecting data. They're not legally allowed to. They're collecting data that's supposed to be private. There's there's been lots of issues already so far on, like, the data collection side for for what you need to build good AI models. And that that I think is the more concerning part of AI from, like, a a sovereignty perspective is outside like, this is the first new incentive for data collection outside of the ad. The, like, the broken ad system Mhmm. That had become previously, like, the main driver for collecting personal data. It's like people wanted to know more about you so that they could target ads at you and then sell that ad space for more money, which is bad and has caused a lot of problems, in the Internet over the last fifteen, twenty years.
The AI is the first thing that actually brings a new incentive where instead of just to sell you ads, companies creating AI models now want to collect more data than ever because it helps them to create a better model itself to then sell, to then monetize all the different things that they have that they have in the works for how they're actually gonna make money off of AI. So I think that's, like, the more concerning one, and that's the one where just, like, general personal privacy is really important. But I don't know if we wanna dive in too deeply on that. I I think, like, on the other side, like like you mentioned, there's some really good use cases for AI for the sovereign individual.
And, thankfully, there's some good ways to do that right now. But a lot of, like, the best ways to use AI sovereignly are still really tricky. So, like, the to jump straight to self hosting AI. Like, this is something I've played around with a reasonable amount. Unfortunately, right now, to get, like, a really good user experience self hosting AI, you need some pretty high end hardware. You can do it on, like, your your laptop or regular desktop or something, but you you you gotta prepare yourself for it to be very slow in response, for it to be very slow in the the reasoning or thinking stage depending on the model you're using and or the results to be not quite as good because you're having to use, like, a quantized smaller model to be able to fit within the amount of brand that you have. Mhmm.
And that's the main pain point right now on the self hosting side is, like, the AI models themselves are well ahead of where consumer hardware is at the moment. So self hosting is possible, but tricky to get in, like, a I actually wanna use this stage. It's definitely something that's growing very rapidly. And, like, someone shared in the in our Telegram chat before we jumped in a a new AI model from Google that's built to run on your phone, like, on device. And I'm really curious to try that out more and and, like, see how functional that is. Because run on is very different from usable.
And a lot of these things people say, oh, you can run this on your laptop or you can run this on a Raspberry Pi or you can run this here. And it's like, yes. Technically, it does run, but I also don't wanna wait ten minutes for an answer to a simple question. Like, there's there's definitely a spectrum there. So that self hosting side, I think, is is going to be the most interesting and the most useful from a self sovereign perspective. But that one still has a long ways to go for, like, the average person to be able to host it.
[00:12:16] Unknown:
Yeah. But it would be, you know, be nice to have. I know there's, like, a middle ground where there's, services where you can pay with either Bitcoin or Monero, and you, like, pay per query or whatever you'd call it. And they're supposed to have sort of models that they have access to, and then they pipe it all into one place. It's kind of how how I understand that. But from my experience of using these, at least for, like, image generation and things like that, it's been nowhere near like, I use Midjourney, and nothing else I've tried comes anywhere close to producing the type of images that I want.
Part of that might be just because I've got used to leaning on that system, but, there does seem to be a massive gap, whereas I think maybe for, like, helping writing emails and articles and stuff like that, maybe it's slightly different. Maybe you can sort of, have something like that run locally, and it's slightly less painful. I guess it it kind of depends what you're doing.
[00:13:26] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, the the simpler the use case, the better that's gonna be, for self hosting. So you're gonna need a lot less complex things. Like, simple writing help is something that you could probably do relatively easily with a a light lightweight model self hosted. But I think that that is where, like, the the things like Maple AI, the things like, Venice AI is another one that offers more privacy preserving, but you're not self hosting it. Services. Those are of, like I think they fit the usage of the vast majority of people. Like, I don't do any image generation, so I know that I'm I have a different use case than you, but I have had good success with those types of services. Right now, I'm using Kagi's, AI where I am uploading it to them, but they don't know anything about me. I use VPN all the time. They destroy chats after a day by default.
There's some good basic privacy practices involved. But the I think the the hard thing right now is that most of the, like, quote, unquote privacy preserving AI solutions are really just like the VPN trust model where Yeah. They it's basically just a commitment not to log. But they're passing all of your queries to a third party who doesn't necessarily share that commitment. Theoretically, they're doing things like making sure that they're they're not connected back to the same entity and, like, they're doing some some anonymization of that. But they they are shipping essentially just proxying your chats and your queries, your prompts to a third party. And so they kind of act as a an AI VPN of sorts for you, which is a fine model for most use cases, but isn't a there's no guarantee of privacy. There's a promise of privacy, which is reasonable. But I think, understandably, many people are not happy with that set of compromises. And that's where something like Maple AI is really, really cool.
The team behind it are fantastic. They've been Bitcoiners for years. Really good guys focused on on personal privacy. And, like, their their bigger project is, more privacy preserving data compute, like, generally. They have, like, a really broad set of ambitions for what they wanna do. But the the first product that they launched out of that is Maple AI, which actually uses, like, cryptographic proof that you are, chatting in a privacy preserving way with an AI model, where the actual chats and responses, etcetera, are done within, like, secure compute enclave. Like, really good cryptographic approaches to making sure that you are actually getting privacy. There is still a trust assumption that basically NVIDIA's private compute approach is sound and not back towered, which is a trust assumption. But they have billions of dollars riding on that trust assumption holding. So they have good incentive to do that. But that, I think, is, like, the best model there. And I'll be honest, they're like, Maple is quite limited compared to something like Venice, where you have tons of models and you have a lot more functionality or something like Coggy.
But they are rapidly adding features, and I really like that they're actually doing things with privacy at the core of what they do, not just as a promise, but actually as, like, a cryptographic guarantee.
[00:16:28] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think, that kind of covers as much as we need to get into this one. Maybe it's something we we cover a little bit more on the next episode. But because we're so behind, I think we should jump into these questions because we have so many questions. It was incredible the response we got. And then we also have, the next prize giveaway to go through as well. So would you reckon should we do that? And then if we have any time at the end, we can jump into our other topics.
[00:17:00] Unknown:
Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I think let's let's skip it for right now. What point we'll cover?
[00:17:04] Unknown:
So, questions from s x six. Why is FOSS important for freedom? Do non free licenses restrict freedom? My own stance has always been that MIT and GPL v three are the only licenses that count. I'm seeing more frequently use of licenses that restrict commercial use or enforce other restrictions. That's from sx6.store. Check them out for your seed plates. I think they've got the cheapest and best ones I've ever come across. So, yeah, shout out to them.
[00:17:46] Unknown:
This is a this is a good one. This is one that I have thought and written and battled on Twitter, or ex formerly known as Twitter. Sorry. Sorry, Elon. One that I've, like, done a lot of thinking about because this is a hot topic in the Bitcoin space specifically, in the the broader open source space as well. But I feel like in Bitcoin, there's like a lot of other incentives that come into play that cause people to make licensing choices that sometimes are good, sometimes are bad. So I mean, I definitely it it all comes down to specifically what you need out of something.
I absolutely always would recommend that whatever you're using the MIT or GPL v three whenever possible. Because the the main protection there is that it means that you are going to be able to do whatever you want with that code or that software down the line no matter what. And the other people can build on top of those things effectively, in the future as well. So if that, like, if that company, that product goes under, that is something that you'll always have access to. But I think the specific requirements of, like, what license you need or does it have to be a truly free and open source license, depending on specifically what you're talking about. Like, when it comes to, like, a a Bitcoin hardware wallet or something, I think the the software, especially being actually free and open source, not just source viewable, is really, really vital because it means that there's going to be good incentives for other people to build on top of that software, to do more code review, to do more just kind of, as they go audits because they can actually build and publish the thing that they they want out of that. They don't have these, like, owners restrictions on them. So that's where I think, like, it's absolutely vital.
When you get to, like, a software wallet, I I think the same thing stands. I think when you're dealing with money, like, you really need the license itself to be free and open source, not just source viewable, so that you can ensure that there's not gonna be restrictions down the line and that other people are building on top of that software to bring better security along the line as well. There are some other like, there are some other licenses specifically for, like, libraries and stuff that can be can be fine, that are different than MIT or GPLP three. But, generally, those are gonna be the best. The the two kinda quick caveats I'll say is in some communities, there's this, like, hardcore love for MIT over a GPL v three or anything else because it MIT basically says, do whatever you want.
That's pretty much it. It's a very, very, very loose license, which is good in the sense of it ensures that there's there's no real restrictions at all on its usage. But I think something like MIT works much better when you're talking about a, like, a a protocol that you want people to build other things around. Something like Bitcoin, the protocol, not the actual token, but the protocol. Something like Monero, the actual protocol, not the cryptocurrency, but the actual, like, software that creates the protocol. Because you want the least possible restrictions on a protocol itself. You won't be able to to be able to build around that freely and have no restrictions at all. But when it comes to actual, like, software that an end user will run, I actually much prefer GPL v three.
This is what's called a copy left license, and I won't get too in the weeds here. I'm probably already too in the weeds here. But That's alright. It's good. Yeah. Just real quick. GPL v three is my preference for something like, like, Cake Wallet, like Envoy from Foundation. I would prefer that they be GPL v three for the sole reason that, essentially, GPL v three gives you the end user the ability to do whatever you want. There's there's no restrictions on how you use the software, how you publish the software, anything like that. But, basically, the the main difference between GPL v three and MIT is that GPL v three says that if you're going to build and sell a product on this, that product also has to be open source.
Whereas with MIT, I could build, let's say, a a closed source version of Envoy by Foundation. And I could ship it. If it was MIT, I could ship it and charge for it and not publish the source code at all. So the the changes that I make wouldn't be available to to Foundation or anyone else who wanted to incorporate those changes. Whereas if it's GPL v three, which, like, Envoy is specifically, if I, as a business, wanted to create a product built around that, I have to open source that code in order to legally use the Envoy source code. And that's a very good protection to me, and that's my personal preference for things that a user will actually use. But for protocols, stuff like Bitcoin, Monero, that sort of thing, MIT is definitely my my preference.
[00:22:23] Unknown:
Yep. Makes sense. I hope that, answers your question, s x six. Rotten Will asks, given Ashigaru has effectively brought Whirlpool's 0 link coin joined back to the plate, do any of you think someone else or Ashigaru themselves will bring back Samurais XMR to BTC atomic swap implementation as well for Doxic change and bad banks. Could you it doesn't have to be within Ashigaru, does it? Like, there are other services where you could do that. So presumably, you know, it's not like you can't do it now. It just means that you can't do it within Ashigaru now.
[00:23:09] Unknown:
Yeah. It's this is one of the things where I don't think it's at all necessary for it to be like, the samurai wallet atomic swap implementation was fine, but you could implement like, let's say, Ashigara wanted to implement this. They could implement this using something that already exists. Unstoppable swap is the primary example of that. They're just about to rebrand to Eigen Wallet. I think that's how you pronounce it. So if depending on when you listen to this, it may be called unstoppable swap or maybe called Eigen Wallet. But there's already an existing, like, broadly used atomic swap protocol and set of wallets and Yeah. Libraries and everything that's out there. So it's not like this is something that has to be within a wallet like that. The nice thing is these these tools are generally usable with whatever Bitcoin wallet you want on the Bitcoin side.
So you can use unstoppable swap when you need to swap between Bitcoin and Monero, but use Ashigaro on the Bitcoin side and use something like Cake Wallet on the Monero side and not be locked into one specific wallet. But that doesn't mean that, like, if someone like Ashigaru or someone like Cake Wallet wanted to implement atomic swaps in the app. Like, obviously, there's some user experience benefits of that and that it can be all in one place. The main problem is that atomic swaps are really hard to do from a user friendly perspective, especially on mobile. You have to be online the entire time. You gotta wait for confirmations on both the Bitcoin and Monero chains. There's a lot of complications that come in into play there. I personally would prefer to do atomic swaps on the desktop.
Okay. No matter what. But it is something that, like, could come back to Ashigaro. But it already exists. Unstoppable Swap is great. Last time I saw, they had, like, 7 Bitcoin and open offers. So quite a bit of liquidity at least for a for a peasant like me. I don't know. Maybe maybe a wealthier person out there is swapping more than 7 Bitcoin at a time to Monero. That's a decent Yeah. I don't have that privilege yet.
[00:25:05] Unknown:
Shout out quickly to DieselDad. Thank you for letting me know. Yeah. You're right. We're piping Seth through my speakers into my mic, and I had it low because I thought it would be giving more reverb. But I've now turned it up, and you've said better. So, hopefully, the audio is better for everyone. And I promise next week when the robot's back, this is all gonna be much slicker. Okay. Yeah. I think that's that sort of covers that one. Rotten Will again, Wen Monero q and a. Come on, mate. Keep up. We've already got Monero monthly. That's basically Q and A.
[00:25:41] Unknown:
I don't know. This this is this is for Bitcoin q and a to answer. I think we gotta save this one for next week. It's when is he gonna convert over? Oh. For Bitcoin q and a. Oh, I see. I don't I don't think he will. I don't think he will. I think he's, he's very much cemented in,
[00:25:58] Unknown:
being Bitcoin q and a. I think well, we'll see. We'll keep chipping away at him, but I think he's he's happy where he is. I've been working on him for years.
[00:26:09] Unknown:
So maybe maybe one day, he'll be the the, flows right off the tongue, Bitcoin plus Monero q and a. Bless you. We'll get him with both, but we'll see. We'll see. Yeah. Well, we're the we're the resident Monero shells as we get called. So,
[00:26:23] Unknown:
I don't know. Maybe that'll just stay that way. We'll see. Satoshi tree, is Bitcoin fully captured never to upgrade and become a privacy coin? I've seen Seth, reconsider his stance on spy corn. It's hijacked, ain't it? In inability to add covenants proves this to me personally. Would love to hear the panels take. I don't know. I think that's a bit my personal view is that's maybe a bit far. Like, I view Bitcoin as like, it depends how you use it. You can be private and do things well. It's just you have to be a lot more careful. It's not that you can't, and so it's down it's down to the individual where you have to be much more of a mong to fuck up sending privately on Monero. That's kinda my stance on it. What about you?
[00:27:26] Unknown:
Yeah. It's I don't know. I'm always going back and forth on this. Like, I I think the the important thing to keep in mind is that Bitcoin is still incredibly useful as long as you can take self custody, and no one can prevent that. As long as you can buy and sell it without KYC, and no one can prevent that. And as long as there is some ability to gain, quote, unquote, good enough privacy Mhmm. On layer one. I think as long as those things hold, Bitcoin remains a useful tool. Like, no matter how suit coin or it gets, how many companies launch treasuries built on Bitcoin. Like, as long as the the core fundamental sovereign usage and access remains, it's still an incredibly useful tool. And one of the main reasons why I decided that I wanted to make sure that I was working on both Bitcoin and Monero long term was that I, like, I see Bitcoin's use not going anywhere. Now that doesn't mean we don't need to fight for it to become more useful, especially from a privacy perspective.
Covenants are a huge part of that that I would I would love to see and then continuing to to fight for within Bitcoin. But I think it's just something we have to be constantly assessing. If if something changes, let's say, Bitcoin centralization Bitcoin mining centralization gets really bad and miners start censoring transactions that don't comply with specific requirements, like, then, yes, we're we're talking about something that is technically hijacked and can't be used in the same way about the sovereign Bitcoiner. But right now, that's not true. And right now, it is still an immensely useful tool. And like I talk about in many places, if, let's say, you love Monero, Bitcoin is a fantastic symbiotic tool with Monero, especially when it comes to actually acquiring Monero. Because if you can get Bitcoin, especially non KYC, you can get Monero, and that that bridge is absolutely unstoppable like we just talked about. So I think it's something where we have to continue to keep evaluating. Obviously, keep pushing for improvements and changes.
Love seeing Ashigara bring back Whirlpool as that that's gonna be a a vital piece of things, as we kinda keep keep an eye on that. But it's not not captured, hijacked. Like, all these, hyperbolic terms are not yeah. They're not they're not helpful in, like, just generally throwing them out there. But we need to keep keep asking ourselves, is this actually true? What would it take for that to become true? How do we fight that? Yeah.
[00:29:50] Unknown:
Hunder Hoosen, I I think, is passport prime shipping to The EU simultaneously to The US? I believe so. Q isn't with us today, but, I'm pretty sure yes. And if I'm wrong, he'll correct me, and I'll let everyone know. But I'm I'm pretty sure it's simultaneous, unless you know, Seth.
[00:30:15] Unknown:
I'd I also don't have a 100% answer. My understanding is, like, I know that they got a a European distributor basically set up already so that they can distribute directly from the EU, and that was partially done to get that set up ahead of Prime. Like, that was already in progress before I before I jumped over to k Wallet. So I'm assuming that that's still holding and that they will be shipping simultaneously. But like you said, q and a is the the expert there. So Yeah. Definitely double check with him. Okay.
[00:30:43] Unknown:
Vibrant subtlety. If all if all charges against samurai and T Dev was dropped tomorrow, what's the first question you would ask them? Freedom tech Friday. Oh, I don't know. I wouldn't ask them anything. I'd leave them alone. They they've had enough stress. If anything, I'd say, do you want a cup of tea, mate? Or just like, you know, do you want a drink? So that'd probably be my question. What about you?
[00:31:08] Unknown:
You wouldn't immediately attack them with questions about when they're gonna join your podcast. That's not what what we did as podcasters. We just assault anyone who's set free to force them to come on our podcast immediately.
[00:31:23] Unknown:
I think if you're a professional cunt, that's what you would do. But, that's not how I like to operate. Yeah. At at most, I would say, would you like a drink, mate? And that's it. But I think people who have gone through that level of stress, I think, I've had some near misses and problems in my life, but not to that level. And I don't think anybody who isn't personally dealing with it or hasn't dealt with it has any fucking idea how stressful this type of situation can be for you and your family and everyone around you. So I would say whenever someone's released and anything, like that, just fucking leave them alone. Let them live their life. They need to recover.
[00:32:07] Unknown:
That's my answer. Actually, I actually have a really funny story about that that I haven't haven't shared publicly. But when Yeah. When I was in Vegas for Bitcoin Vegas, I went downstairs to work out one of the mornings before the conference, and this was in the workout room. Looked over to my right, and lo and behold, Ross Ulrich. Not Wednesday. Working out, which was, like, not only the most surreal and cool thing ever, but but was also a fantastic test of how hardcore of a podcaster am I. Because I I I was like it's like Galadriel and Lord of the Rings kinda style test of, like, he was right there, and I could've just I could've taken it and harassed him about coming on option on ungovernable misfits, but I I had the same thought you had of, like, that dude just needs some peace and quiet. Oh my god. The fact that he can just go downstairs out of his hotel room and work out just like I can. Yeah. His wife was there. They're working out together. Like, that that was one of the coolest, like for me, that was, like, the confirmation of, like, he's actually free. Like, this is is absolutely so wild. And I can't imagine from him, like, from his perspective, what that's like to just wake up, go downstairs, and work out in the hotel weight room. Like, that was just awesome to see. And it was just kinda that reinforcing moment of, like, these guys, they just need to leave them alone. Like, those little things must be so satisfying for them and so, like, life giving. It was really cool to see that. But it also was a good a good test, and I I passed the test. I was surprised.
[00:33:32] Unknown:
Well done. I'm I'm proud of you. I knew you would. I knew you'd leave him alone and let him get on with his with his workout. It's, it's I thought about tying the door shut with a towel and not letting him leave until he until he did the podcast on the spot. But Yeah. Shout out to Ross, and shout out to his mom. Years ago, when we were we did a load of giveaways, and we're raising money for free Ross. We did, like, a load of clothing and stuff. And she wrote me a really sweet, email not email, Twitter message just, like, thanking young goblin misfits, and it was, like, really nice and personal thing. And I know, like, through the years, she'd put so much effort into getting her boy back, and, she just sounds like an incredible woman. So shout out to you as well.
Ross's mom. What else we got here? We've got what are the, Crash Neon? What are the options for someone to acquire a real dojo? A real deal dojo.
[00:34:33] Unknown:
Don't know what that means to acquire a real deal dojo. Like an actual dojo for training samurai? I don't know. Or like a dojo, like, the the actual dojo
[00:34:46] Unknown:
node hardware. Yeah. Well, the dojo node order. Oh, like the Ronin dojo, like the tanto or whatever.
[00:34:53] Unknown:
I assume that's what he's asking. Yeah. Well, they don't make those anymore.
[00:34:58] Unknown:
They don't make them anymore. I think probably there's a lot of people who would, like, did a load of cool three d printing ones of, like, actual little dojo buildings and stuff like that that were quite cool. I don't know. Maybe someone from the the Dojo crew can jump in and let us know, but I don't think so is the answer if that's if that's the question. Jimmy's Jimmy Speddon with zero point zero one XMR. He asked, you can add virtual cards to curve pay and use contactless on GrapheneOS. Check the Graphene forum hashtag free samurai. Maybe that's because we were talking about that the other day, whether you needed, Apple Pay or, and I I think we said you couldn't use it on graphene OS. Obviously, not Apple Pay but Google Pay.
[00:35:53] Unknown:
Yeah. This is something that I thought I remembered not being an option for me. I don't know if it was maybe just not a US thing.
[00:36:02] Unknown:
Oh, okay.
[00:36:04] Unknown:
They also haven't posted anything on their social media in literally a year. Oh. Doesn't give me the best. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe that's I don't know. Maybe something else happened. But, I thought this was an like, an EU only thing, but I very much maybe misspeaking. I just remember looking into this when it was first mentioned, like, a year ago ish and it not being an option for me. But it's definitely something I'll have to look into more. So thanks for the the prompt, Jimmy. They'll check-in that again.
[00:36:34] Unknown:
Right. And, last question from Fen Fenir Lokeson. Is Seth related to Keith Knight from the Libertarian Institute? They look and sound the same. Also, if you put them together in a room, would they switch to speaking in bin art of Vindic? I have no idea what that is.
[00:37:00] Unknown:
Literally no no clue what those things are, which I do. Maybe tells you that I'm not related to Keith Knight, or maybe I'm just really hiding it. I I don't know.
[00:37:08] Unknown:
I still haven't Googled what he looks like, but I can't imagine you guys look the same.
[00:37:13] Unknown:
He's he's white. He has hair. Okay. And he has a beard. Okay. So if those are if that's how you define Seth for privacy, then, yeah, he's basically he's basically me. He does he does wear, like, a fancy shirt and tie, though, so I could never ring myself to that. So that's how you know that we're not related. I had to do that for a job You have to say that. About hung myself with the tie. So Oh, really? I did
[00:37:38] Unknown:
I did years of it proper suited and booted for years, and it was horrendous. Horrendous.
[00:37:45] Unknown:
No. I cannot stand that. I would never be on a podcast wearing a tie. If if I'm ever on a here's here's my my cry for help. You know that someone's gotten me if I ever join a podcast, and I have a full button up shirt and tie on. Oh. That's that's your that's your signal. Yeah. You'll know that I am as you help urgently. Yeah. It's I guess if I tell you my signal publicly, it's probably not the best signal. But That's true. Maybe I'm playing, like, five d chess here. I don't know.
[00:38:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, the same here. I'm recording in my boxes again, but no one knows that because no one can see me. So that's how I that's how I roll. It's not even hoodies for me. It's boxes.
[00:38:26] Unknown:
It's a bold move. I Yeah. Won't comment on what I'm wearing right now, but it's definitely not it's definitely not a tie. I can leave that. It's definitely also not just a tie. So I'll just clarify that too. Okay. Yeah. Nice.
[00:38:39] Unknown:
Alright. Well, that's all the questions. So thank you everyone who, who asked all the questions. If we missed any, I'm really sorry, and they'll be in the next episode. Congratulations again to Super Fat Arrow, for winning the passport prime, and, thank you again to Foundation for supplying that as a prize. We really appreciate it. This week, we are giving away some free samurai clothing. So Ungodful Misfits has now made a free samurai hat, hoodie, and t shirt. Pretty awesome if I do say so myself. You can check it out on the Ungovernable Misfits store, but we're gonna be giving them away. And, we've run a competition. The question was, can you please tell us your three favorite freedom tech or freedom tools, and why? And so we had actually quite a lot of messages come through.
I didn't manage to add them in a normal and clever way, so I have to now scroll through our Telegram to see. Should we read through them, or should we just do, like, the top three and pick a winner? Because we are
[00:39:58] Unknown:
approaching time. Should we try and get through them all? Yeah. Let's see if we can see if we can read through them quickly. Come on, Dyslexia. What's your disability?
[00:40:07] Unknown:
Alright. Mister Crown asks or mister Crown says, torrent downloads Genesys USB archive with books, scientific papers, and Samizdat? Samiz what's a Samizdat?
[00:40:26] Unknown:
That's a great question that I don't know. I will Google that while you speed read the rest of them. Okay. And Nosta.
[00:40:34] Unknown:
Thoughtcrime boss says, Monero, because freedom won't exist without private, fungible, digital cash. Mulvad because I don't want every website knowing my location, plus they take XMR payments. And signal because I need private messaging, and I don't see my family using Simplex anytime soon. That's a good one. I like that's very clean and clear, isn't it?
[00:41:04] Unknown:
Honestly, I love this one because it's, like, it's also very practical for pretty much anyone. Yeah. Like, using Monero, MOLVOT, and signal is actually really straightforward. So I I really like that one because of that.
[00:41:16] Unknown:
Yeah. I like that. Katie, from plan b passports, she says a gun, a second passport, and a hardware wallet. And, obviously, she means a passport when she says that as well. I like that as well because all the tech stuff is good, but in a crisis situation, a gun and a passport, they're pretty fucking useful.
[00:41:42] Unknown:
Yeah. Those are I feel like those are when you can get them. Like, second passport can be a lot more difficult for certain jurisdictions. But Yes. Those are some really good, like, shit hits the fan. You have more protection than just, like, a Bitcoin wallet can give you. Like, it's I think that's one of the things that gets forgotten sometimes in the Bitcoin space is, like, just having sats stacked does not guarantee you anything in a lot of specific scenarios, specifically, like, really bad scenarios. Your those stats aren't gonna help you at all until you get somewhere safe where you can actually
[00:42:12] Unknown:
use them for goods and services. So Agreed. Yeah. A gun and a second passport's useful. I've been working hard on second passports and third passports and all this kind of stuff recently and, getting the fuck out of the EU and all the rest of it. So, I'm going through it, and, it's not the easiest thing in the world, but I would say well worth doing, if you can. John, just sends a picture of, like, some sort of 50 caliber massive gun, land mines, and then one of those, like I don't know what you call them, but, like, the suits that makes you look like photo shoot. A ghillie suit. That's it.
Very good, John. Very good. I'd like he's someone you don't wanna fuck within a crisis situation. You wanna leave that guy alone. He's Yeah. Don't go to John's house. That's what I'm that's what I'm learning. Yeah. Yeah. Don't go anywhere near that man's house. It's, it's just not a good idea, unless you're invited. Apparently, they make very good pasta. Atari, Graphene, Monero, and Tor. Very nice. Monero, three d printer for making untraceable weapons and tools, Monero for payments, and a Raspberry Pi as a digital Swiss army knife. I like that. I don't like the Raspberry Pi as they are shit, but I'd say a laptop is a better shout, but I like the rest of it.
BTC wrestler, many good options have already been said, but I'll try to be original. Firearm, physical protection, can you be free if you can't protect yourself from physical harm? Molvad VPN, services that accepts BTC and XMR, and Zeus, Swiss army knife of Bitcoin wallets and a great way to interact with your Bitcoin and lightning node. Just to emphasize ah, it's a screenshot. I'm clicking see more, but it's a screenshot. I can't do it. What are you clicking in the background. Yeah. It's definitely it's definitely good whatever you said, though. You per HODL, hashtag freedom tech Friday, meshtastic, ungovernable communication, rifle, ungovernable meat harvest and protection, and solar array with storage ungovernable energy.
Very good.
[00:44:48] Unknown:
I like this. I like this.
[00:44:53] Unknown:
Get safe box, a well a well for water, a garden for veggies, a chicken for eggs.
[00:45:04] Unknown:
Oh, fucking. I can't pronounce this. I wanna see this I wanna hear this pronunciation. Let's see it. Nixendoyeg
[00:45:15] Unknown:
I don't
[00:45:16] Unknown:
fucking know it. It was beautiful. I think that was perfect, honestly. Really? I haven't done it better myself.
[00:45:26] Unknown:
Arch, to pick to pick three tools, there's a method to my madness here. Arch Linux, we're gonna have the same C more problem. Customizable, configurable packages galore, scriptability, and potentially scalable build if a proper script is made. Reason, everyone at this point needs to use an operating system that won't betray anybody and the GNU Linux operating something something something something. Again, I'm sure that's a really good message. People can go and check it out. It's on Nosta. Read the rest of it. But, yeah, I can't because it's a screenshot, and I'm retarded, and we're short on time. But thank you for your, thank you for your suggestions.
Chad Farrow, foundation passport for my sats, k wallet for my Monero, my Nimbox for host stuff in the cloud. Chad Farrow. You're doing my ad reads for me. That's my three sponsors there. Either either I'm so influential to you that you've just gone, yep. Whatever he says, I'm just gonna choose them, or you're the best shill ever, and I'll send you a percentage. Thank you, mate. What's he saying? Oh, trolling. Not and not an ad low trolling. Love it. Then we've got
[00:46:57] Unknown:
I think we might skip the rest and jump straight to the winners. Just make sure we get them out before we get get hard cut off here. Yeah. We do have a hard cut off.
[00:47:07] Unknown:
Can't believe how much reading I'm doing. I'm doing quite well as well. Maybe the pressure's doing me well. Right. From Ghost. And I and I think, for me, this has to be the winner. Just the amount of effort that's gone into this is incredible. The amount of detail. And although I would say it's not the most user friendly for everyone, I think there are some good points made here. So I think, for this for this episode, the winner is Ghost. And Ghost says, challenge accepted. No fluff, no distractions, no corporate strings. Each of these freedom tools exist outside outside the surveillance surveillance economy.
They aren't just privacy preserving. They are sovereignty tools. Number one, Tails OS. Live amnesic anonymous boots from USB leaves no trace. Why? Because when shit hits the fan, you need something that doesn't remember. Tels turns any computer into a temporary safe house. Built in Tor, no logs, no disk rights unless you say so. Ideal for whistleblowers, journalists, or anyone who wants to vanish. Now all hanging on your key ring. Access hostile neck networks without touching internal drives, publish sensitive material, create disposable sessions that can't be traced.
Hashtag use case crisis mode, Dropbox pickups, burner sessions, very detailed. I think that's a great shout. Tails OS is not something I've really played around with much, but, pretty incredible tool.
[00:48:59] Unknown:
Yeah. It's one of those things you should just try, get comfortable with, and keep around just in case. It's not one of those things, like, most people should use every day or even often at all, but just something that you need to have in your in your toolkit for sure. Yeah.
[00:49:13] Unknown:
Simplex chat, no phone numbers, no metadata, no central servers. Why? Because signal still requires a phone number, and most private messages are tried to tied to identity or metadata in some way with simplex. No fixed IDs, messages rooted over random relays, no way to link sender and recipient. You share temporary invite, not a static handle. We're we're gonna run out of time. So I'll leave that one there. I think that's good. Simplex is a bit glitchy for me, but I get the I get the point. And in theory, it is very good. But I just find not that many people wanna use it, and it is a bit glitchy for me. So I lean on signal harder, but I agree. I think, Seth, any any comment on that?
[00:50:01] Unknown:
No. I mean, the same. I I think it's one of those things, like, you have to have around, but I I too don't think it's quite there. I'm still a signal maxi once they added usernames and removed the requirement for showing your phone number to others.
[00:50:13] Unknown:
Okay. And, key pass x c offline only, local password manager with zero cloud sync built for power users. Why? Because password reuse is digital suicide and cloud based password managers are centralized honey pots. KeePassXC keeps secrets local, lets you sync manually over trusted channels like encrypted USB or syncing, manage multiple aliases and log in store crypto seed phrases, use case, alias control, OPSEC vault, no cloud credentials stored. Okay. Makes sense. I I feel quite happy with my password manager at the moment, but any comments there, mate?
[00:51:03] Unknown:
It's pretty much in the same boat for me. I don't think it's I think it's too hardcore for most people, but it's a good option to try. For me, password managers and encryption and open source is enough. I don't. It doesn't have to be offline only, but it is a great option for sure in open source.
[00:51:20] Unknown:
Okay. Well, congratulations to Ghost. I really appreciate the amount of effort that you've gone into there and definitely for the more more hardcore users, people who take this stuff really seriously. These are all great tools by the sounds of it. Well worth reading that whole thing. It's I think that one was on Twitter. But, yeah, congratulations to you. If you just reach out to me, by any of the channels, I'll make sure you get looked after. Make sure you get a, hashtag free samurai hat, hoodie, and t shirt. And, we'll also be donating, the normal amount for each of those products to Free Samurai.
There were also a couple of other good ones there. Should I just be really generous and just give something else away?
[00:52:15] Unknown:
Would you reckon? Sure. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if we're still live because we are after the top of the hour. We're still live. I did it to 10:30. So we do we do have an extra minute. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it.
[00:52:27] Unknown:
I will say thoughtcrime boss, you get a free samurai hat. I like yours. And Katie from plan b passports, you get a free hat on the condition you use your platform, wear the hat, and tweet it with hashtag free samurai just to get some, attention on that and hopefully more people, support them. So if you agree to that, Katie, you get one as well. Does that sound fair?
[00:52:59] Unknown:
I like it. I like it. Okay. Generous Max. Santa Claus Max.
[00:53:03] Unknown:
So For everyone. Hats. You get a hat. You get a hat. You get a hat. You get a hat. And samurai gets some extra, sats with each of those as well. So alright. Well, it, it definitely didn't go off without a glitch, but we did a pretty okay job there considering. Thank you to everyone who sent in the questions. Thank you for all the answers. Thanks for everyone who's been sharing. I really appreciate it. Thank you to Seth for sticking with me for the first fifteen minutes of that. Just painful, painful time. And we will catch you on the next one. Any last final closing words?
[00:53:44] Unknown:
No. I don't think so. I think you nailed it. We'll, we'll have things fine tuned a little bit more next week. Have the robot back. It'll be fun. Get some questions in. That'd be the main thing. Between now and then, drop questions. We'd love to answer answer all of them. It's my favorite part of this. So Yeah. We'll see you all next Friday. Yeah. And we'll we'll run another, prize giveaway as well. I'll work out what we're gonna give away this time, but, yeah, we'll keep doing these. So thanks, everyone. We pull the plug in 54321.
[00:54:13] Unknown:
Stay ungovernable.
Dear ungovernable misfits, John here. I apologize if you tuned in to listen to this episode live and had to endure fifteen painful minutes of Max trying to run OBS and stream live across all platforms. I've taken the liberty of hacking the ungovernable misfit server and editing fifteen minutes down to five. The show was great despite Max's failings as a host, producer, and just generally as a human being. Thanks to all of the listeners keeping the ungovernable spirit alive, alive, Seth for his patience, and two, foundation for last week's giveaway.
Enjoy the show.
[00:00:48] Unknown:
Just a heads up. I'm getting audio from you in the livestream, but not in Zencastr. I just wanna make sure you knew that.
[00:00:56] Unknown:
You can't hear me in Zencastr.
[00:00:57] Unknown:
You were muted there. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang
[00:01:16] Unknown:
Okay. There's so many maxes. Can you hear me now? This is horrible. One's a month. Just a minute. Muted the mic in here. So Sounds alright. I think I'm gonna capture. Fine. Yeah. It's fine. Okay. Well, we are actually live in that case. Welcome, everyone, to Freedom Tech Friday episode two. We're gonna be talking about AI today, whether it is a tool for good or a tool for bad. Is it a freedom tech? Can it be? And we're also gonna cover a load of the questions that we didn't manage to cover on the last episode as well as people's top three favorite tools for freedom tech privacy and freedom.
And the winner this episode is gonna get a free samurai hat, hoodie, and t shirt. And, a big thank you to Foundation for giving away a passport prime last week that went to Super Fat Arrow. So congratulations to you, May. And, yeah, very excited for this show. I can't believe how well the last one went. I'm a little bit nervous because I'm at the helm here with all the tech stuff, which is fucking dangerous if we're all honest with ourselves. But,
[00:02:30] Unknown:
yeah, Q had a Hindu and couldn't make it. My first question is, what the hell is a Hindu?
[00:02:36] Unknown:
A Hindu? It's, where a bride to be goes out with all her mates, like a stag do, but for for women
[00:02:45] Unknown:
like you. You people in your your bastardization of the English language. We made this. Stag do, hit do.
[00:02:53] Unknown:
I think you call it a bachelorette party.
[00:02:55] Unknown:
Yeah. Bachelor party and bachelorette party. Yeah. That's it. We'll keep things simple. You gotta use your animal terminology.
[00:03:06] Unknown:
So he's swanning off somewhere for his hen too with a sash and all that kind of stuff. Left me with all the tech stuff. Luckily, Jordan jumped in and went through with me for about four hours testing and setting everything up. So, let me know if you can hear or not. Oh, we've got vibrant subtleties. Seth may be muted. Can't hear him. I only hear Max, by the way. Oh, no.
[00:03:32] Unknown:
Oh, no. Yeah. It depends on when they tuned in, but I think Jordan or, yeah, Jordan was saying the same thing in Telegram. I'm definitely coming through on Zencastr.
[00:03:42] Unknown:
But Yeah. Okay. Fucking hell. This is Left me with all the tech stuff. Yeah. I just hear myself. Horrible. Yeah. I don't hear you either.
[00:03:53] Unknown:
Yep.
[00:03:55] Unknown:
Oh, god. Right. Right. Sorry, everyone, because you all came for Seth. So I think the delay. I'm not going to talk to her. Please hear Seth's lovely voice.
[00:04:20] Unknown:
I'm still not coming through. Yeah. Okay. Should I just unplug the same headphones off or something like that? I don't think that'll do it. I think it's just being piped to the wrong place.
[00:04:36] Unknown:
Damn it. Like sorry, everyone. Yeah. Audio output capture. Yeah. I can add it. I create a new one. Device. And it gives me the drop menu. No options. Just says enable downloading, but no devices. Sorry, everyone. This is we did do testing as well. I'm gonna just try doing it without headphones. That's the only thing I can think because I just don't know what else to do at this point. But
[00:05:35] Unknown:
you can try it.
[00:05:39] Unknown:
I've taken those off. Going now into Zencastr to see if that's just changed now. Can you hear me still, Seth? Yep. Yep. Okay. I can also hear myself echoing through your mic. But
[00:05:50] Unknown:
Fuck's sake. Yeah. I mean, I'm not really sure. Let's give it four or five more minutes. And if we can if we can get it sorted, let's just call it and maybe do a makeup one on Tuesday or something. Oh, oh, Jordan said I can hear him now. I can't hear you right now, Max, but Jordan said he can hear me now less than a minute ago. Can you hear me now? Yeah. I hear you.
[00:06:11] Unknown:
Do you know what? I think we've actually fixed it just by taking the headphones off. What? Okay. Well, I don't hear myself echoing either, so I think we're good. Okay. Alright. Well, look. I'm sorry to everyone who has just gone through that fifteen minutes of pain. It it was sort of expected. I thought this is going a bit too smoothly, and I was all proud of myself, and maybe that's what brought on the pain. So apologies. You've heard me waffle. I've done the intro. We know what we're talking about. You all wanna hear Seth's beautiful voice.
[00:06:44] Unknown:
Seth, what are we covering today, mate? Oh, we got a a good on point topic, AI. We've got a ton of good questions for everybody. Man, they're they're piling in. Definitely keep them coming throughout this live show. Throughout the week in between shows, we're gonna keep just kind of a a running list and pull out the best questions. So thankful to all the people who've submitted questions so far, and some really good ones we got to cover last week. I know we're gonna be a little shorter on time this week, so we definitely will not get to all of them. But we'll get to all the ones that we can.
But I think first, probably, let's jump into the the seminal topic of today. What did you wanna what did you wanna chat about with AI, Max?
[00:07:22] Unknown:
Yeah. I I want us to talk about AI. You know, we're talking about Freedom Tech and leaving on all these different tools to make our lives better and safer for our families and take back control. There's always that, like, trade off between the privacy and the ease of use and all the security and ease of use. And what I found personally is I'm leaning on AI more and more just because there's so much to get done with ungovernable misfits, creating artwork, like doing the the voices that we do, the AI stuff, doing, show notes, doing research, doing whatever it is, like, more and more all of us are starting to use it.
And I was saying to Q the other day, actually, I was like, because, yeah, we shouldn't probably be using this stuff. I was like, I know. But if you don't, at this stage, it's hard to keep up. You kind of start to get left behind. And my assumption is there's gonna be ways to use this without giving all of your details. I know there are some services that do it already. There's gonna be ways to run this stuff locally, and that kind of thing. So I wanted to talk about it because it seems like more and more people are using it, and it kind of seems like antithetical to the whole privacy movement that we talk about all the time.
[00:08:53] Unknown:
Yeah. AI is one of those weird things where it's like it's kind of antithetical to privacy in two different ways. Like, first on the training side, basically, how AI models work is they hoover up all the data they possibly can and then use that to build these AI models on top of. So there's been a ton of stuff where they're they're collecting data. They're not legally allowed to. They're collecting data that's supposed to be private. There's there's been lots of issues already so far on, like, the data collection side for for what you need to build good AI models. And that that I think is the more concerning part of AI from, like, a a sovereignty perspective is outside like, this is the first new incentive for data collection outside of the ad. The, like, the broken ad system Mhmm. That had become previously, like, the main driver for collecting personal data. It's like people wanted to know more about you so that they could target ads at you and then sell that ad space for more money, which is bad and has caused a lot of problems, in the Internet over the last fifteen, twenty years.
The AI is the first thing that actually brings a new incentive where instead of just to sell you ads, companies creating AI models now want to collect more data than ever because it helps them to create a better model itself to then sell, to then monetize all the different things that they have that they have in the works for how they're actually gonna make money off of AI. So I think that's, like, the more concerning one, and that's the one where just, like, general personal privacy is really important. But I don't know if we wanna dive in too deeply on that. I I think, like, on the other side, like like you mentioned, there's some really good use cases for AI for the sovereign individual.
And, thankfully, there's some good ways to do that right now. But a lot of, like, the best ways to use AI sovereignly are still really tricky. So, like, the to jump straight to self hosting AI. Like, this is something I've played around with a reasonable amount. Unfortunately, right now, to get, like, a really good user experience self hosting AI, you need some pretty high end hardware. You can do it on, like, your your laptop or regular desktop or something, but you you you gotta prepare yourself for it to be very slow in response, for it to be very slow in the the reasoning or thinking stage depending on the model you're using and or the results to be not quite as good because you're having to use, like, a quantized smaller model to be able to fit within the amount of brand that you have. Mhmm.
And that's the main pain point right now on the self hosting side is, like, the AI models themselves are well ahead of where consumer hardware is at the moment. So self hosting is possible, but tricky to get in, like, a I actually wanna use this stage. It's definitely something that's growing very rapidly. And, like, someone shared in the in our Telegram chat before we jumped in a a new AI model from Google that's built to run on your phone, like, on device. And I'm really curious to try that out more and and, like, see how functional that is. Because run on is very different from usable.
And a lot of these things people say, oh, you can run this on your laptop or you can run this on a Raspberry Pi or you can run this here. And it's like, yes. Technically, it does run, but I also don't wanna wait ten minutes for an answer to a simple question. Like, there's there's definitely a spectrum there. So that self hosting side, I think, is is going to be the most interesting and the most useful from a self sovereign perspective. But that one still has a long ways to go for, like, the average person to be able to host it.
[00:12:16] Unknown:
Yeah. But it would be, you know, be nice to have. I know there's, like, a middle ground where there's, services where you can pay with either Bitcoin or Monero, and you, like, pay per query or whatever you'd call it. And they're supposed to have sort of models that they have access to, and then they pipe it all into one place. It's kind of how how I understand that. But from my experience of using these, at least for, like, image generation and things like that, it's been nowhere near like, I use Midjourney, and nothing else I've tried comes anywhere close to producing the type of images that I want.
Part of that might be just because I've got used to leaning on that system, but, there does seem to be a massive gap, whereas I think maybe for, like, helping writing emails and articles and stuff like that, maybe it's slightly different. Maybe you can sort of, have something like that run locally, and it's slightly less painful. I guess it it kind of depends what you're doing.
[00:13:26] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, the the simpler the use case, the better that's gonna be, for self hosting. So you're gonna need a lot less complex things. Like, simple writing help is something that you could probably do relatively easily with a a light lightweight model self hosted. But I think that that is where, like, the the things like Maple AI, the things like, Venice AI is another one that offers more privacy preserving, but you're not self hosting it. Services. Those are of, like I think they fit the usage of the vast majority of people. Like, I don't do any image generation, so I know that I'm I have a different use case than you, but I have had good success with those types of services. Right now, I'm using Kagi's, AI where I am uploading it to them, but they don't know anything about me. I use VPN all the time. They destroy chats after a day by default.
There's some good basic privacy practices involved. But the I think the the hard thing right now is that most of the, like, quote, unquote privacy preserving AI solutions are really just like the VPN trust model where Yeah. They it's basically just a commitment not to log. But they're passing all of your queries to a third party who doesn't necessarily share that commitment. Theoretically, they're doing things like making sure that they're they're not connected back to the same entity and, like, they're doing some some anonymization of that. But they they are shipping essentially just proxying your chats and your queries, your prompts to a third party. And so they kind of act as a an AI VPN of sorts for you, which is a fine model for most use cases, but isn't a there's no guarantee of privacy. There's a promise of privacy, which is reasonable. But I think, understandably, many people are not happy with that set of compromises. And that's where something like Maple AI is really, really cool.
The team behind it are fantastic. They've been Bitcoiners for years. Really good guys focused on on personal privacy. And, like, their their bigger project is, more privacy preserving data compute, like, generally. They have, like, a really broad set of ambitions for what they wanna do. But the the first product that they launched out of that is Maple AI, which actually uses, like, cryptographic proof that you are, chatting in a privacy preserving way with an AI model, where the actual chats and responses, etcetera, are done within, like, secure compute enclave. Like, really good cryptographic approaches to making sure that you are actually getting privacy. There is still a trust assumption that basically NVIDIA's private compute approach is sound and not back towered, which is a trust assumption. But they have billions of dollars riding on that trust assumption holding. So they have good incentive to do that. But that, I think, is, like, the best model there. And I'll be honest, they're like, Maple is quite limited compared to something like Venice, where you have tons of models and you have a lot more functionality or something like Coggy.
But they are rapidly adding features, and I really like that they're actually doing things with privacy at the core of what they do, not just as a promise, but actually as, like, a cryptographic guarantee.
[00:16:28] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think, that kind of covers as much as we need to get into this one. Maybe it's something we we cover a little bit more on the next episode. But because we're so behind, I think we should jump into these questions because we have so many questions. It was incredible the response we got. And then we also have, the next prize giveaway to go through as well. So would you reckon should we do that? And then if we have any time at the end, we can jump into our other topics.
[00:17:00] Unknown:
Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I think let's let's skip it for right now. What point we'll cover?
[00:17:04] Unknown:
So, questions from s x six. Why is FOSS important for freedom? Do non free licenses restrict freedom? My own stance has always been that MIT and GPL v three are the only licenses that count. I'm seeing more frequently use of licenses that restrict commercial use or enforce other restrictions. That's from sx6.store. Check them out for your seed plates. I think they've got the cheapest and best ones I've ever come across. So, yeah, shout out to them.
[00:17:46] Unknown:
This is a this is a good one. This is one that I have thought and written and battled on Twitter, or ex formerly known as Twitter. Sorry. Sorry, Elon. One that I've, like, done a lot of thinking about because this is a hot topic in the Bitcoin space specifically, in the the broader open source space as well. But I feel like in Bitcoin, there's like a lot of other incentives that come into play that cause people to make licensing choices that sometimes are good, sometimes are bad. So I mean, I definitely it it all comes down to specifically what you need out of something.
I absolutely always would recommend that whatever you're using the MIT or GPL v three whenever possible. Because the the main protection there is that it means that you are going to be able to do whatever you want with that code or that software down the line no matter what. And the other people can build on top of those things effectively, in the future as well. So if that, like, if that company, that product goes under, that is something that you'll always have access to. But I think the specific requirements of, like, what license you need or does it have to be a truly free and open source license, depending on specifically what you're talking about. Like, when it comes to, like, a a Bitcoin hardware wallet or something, I think the the software, especially being actually free and open source, not just source viewable, is really, really vital because it means that there's going to be good incentives for other people to build on top of that software, to do more code review, to do more just kind of, as they go audits because they can actually build and publish the thing that they they want out of that. They don't have these, like, owners restrictions on them. So that's where I think, like, it's absolutely vital.
When you get to, like, a software wallet, I I think the same thing stands. I think when you're dealing with money, like, you really need the license itself to be free and open source, not just source viewable, so that you can ensure that there's not gonna be restrictions down the line and that other people are building on top of that software to bring better security along the line as well. There are some other like, there are some other licenses specifically for, like, libraries and stuff that can be can be fine, that are different than MIT or GPLP three. But, generally, those are gonna be the best. The the two kinda quick caveats I'll say is in some communities, there's this, like, hardcore love for MIT over a GPL v three or anything else because it MIT basically says, do whatever you want.
That's pretty much it. It's a very, very, very loose license, which is good in the sense of it ensures that there's there's no real restrictions at all on its usage. But I think something like MIT works much better when you're talking about a, like, a a protocol that you want people to build other things around. Something like Bitcoin, the protocol, not the actual token, but the protocol. Something like Monero, the actual protocol, not the cryptocurrency, but the actual, like, software that creates the protocol. Because you want the least possible restrictions on a protocol itself. You won't be able to to be able to build around that freely and have no restrictions at all. But when it comes to actual, like, software that an end user will run, I actually much prefer GPL v three.
This is what's called a copy left license, and I won't get too in the weeds here. I'm probably already too in the weeds here. But That's alright. It's good. Yeah. Just real quick. GPL v three is my preference for something like, like, Cake Wallet, like Envoy from Foundation. I would prefer that they be GPL v three for the sole reason that, essentially, GPL v three gives you the end user the ability to do whatever you want. There's there's no restrictions on how you use the software, how you publish the software, anything like that. But, basically, the the main difference between GPL v three and MIT is that GPL v three says that if you're going to build and sell a product on this, that product also has to be open source.
Whereas with MIT, I could build, let's say, a a closed source version of Envoy by Foundation. And I could ship it. If it was MIT, I could ship it and charge for it and not publish the source code at all. So the the changes that I make wouldn't be available to to Foundation or anyone else who wanted to incorporate those changes. Whereas if it's GPL v three, which, like, Envoy is specifically, if I, as a business, wanted to create a product built around that, I have to open source that code in order to legally use the Envoy source code. And that's a very good protection to me, and that's my personal preference for things that a user will actually use. But for protocols, stuff like Bitcoin, Monero, that sort of thing, MIT is definitely my my preference.
[00:22:23] Unknown:
Yep. Makes sense. I hope that, answers your question, s x six. Rotten Will asks, given Ashigaru has effectively brought Whirlpool's 0 link coin joined back to the plate, do any of you think someone else or Ashigaru themselves will bring back Samurais XMR to BTC atomic swap implementation as well for Doxic change and bad banks. Could you it doesn't have to be within Ashigaru, does it? Like, there are other services where you could do that. So presumably, you know, it's not like you can't do it now. It just means that you can't do it within Ashigaru now.
[00:23:09] Unknown:
Yeah. It's this is one of the things where I don't think it's at all necessary for it to be like, the samurai wallet atomic swap implementation was fine, but you could implement like, let's say, Ashigara wanted to implement this. They could implement this using something that already exists. Unstoppable swap is the primary example of that. They're just about to rebrand to Eigen Wallet. I think that's how you pronounce it. So if depending on when you listen to this, it may be called unstoppable swap or maybe called Eigen Wallet. But there's already an existing, like, broadly used atomic swap protocol and set of wallets and Yeah. Libraries and everything that's out there. So it's not like this is something that has to be within a wallet like that. The nice thing is these these tools are generally usable with whatever Bitcoin wallet you want on the Bitcoin side.
So you can use unstoppable swap when you need to swap between Bitcoin and Monero, but use Ashigaro on the Bitcoin side and use something like Cake Wallet on the Monero side and not be locked into one specific wallet. But that doesn't mean that, like, if someone like Ashigaru or someone like Cake Wallet wanted to implement atomic swaps in the app. Like, obviously, there's some user experience benefits of that and that it can be all in one place. The main problem is that atomic swaps are really hard to do from a user friendly perspective, especially on mobile. You have to be online the entire time. You gotta wait for confirmations on both the Bitcoin and Monero chains. There's a lot of complications that come in into play there. I personally would prefer to do atomic swaps on the desktop.
Okay. No matter what. But it is something that, like, could come back to Ashigaro. But it already exists. Unstoppable Swap is great. Last time I saw, they had, like, 7 Bitcoin and open offers. So quite a bit of liquidity at least for a for a peasant like me. I don't know. Maybe maybe a wealthier person out there is swapping more than 7 Bitcoin at a time to Monero. That's a decent Yeah. I don't have that privilege yet.
[00:25:05] Unknown:
Shout out quickly to DieselDad. Thank you for letting me know. Yeah. You're right. We're piping Seth through my speakers into my mic, and I had it low because I thought it would be giving more reverb. But I've now turned it up, and you've said better. So, hopefully, the audio is better for everyone. And I promise next week when the robot's back, this is all gonna be much slicker. Okay. Yeah. I think that's that sort of covers that one. Rotten Will again, Wen Monero q and a. Come on, mate. Keep up. We've already got Monero monthly. That's basically Q and A.
[00:25:41] Unknown:
I don't know. This this is this is for Bitcoin q and a to answer. I think we gotta save this one for next week. It's when is he gonna convert over? Oh. For Bitcoin q and a. Oh, I see. I don't I don't think he will. I don't think he will. I think he's, he's very much cemented in,
[00:25:58] Unknown:
being Bitcoin q and a. I think well, we'll see. We'll keep chipping away at him, but I think he's he's happy where he is. I've been working on him for years.
[00:26:09] Unknown:
So maybe maybe one day, he'll be the the, flows right off the tongue, Bitcoin plus Monero q and a. Bless you. We'll get him with both, but we'll see. We'll see. Yeah. Well, we're the we're the resident Monero shells as we get called. So,
[00:26:23] Unknown:
I don't know. Maybe that'll just stay that way. We'll see. Satoshi tree, is Bitcoin fully captured never to upgrade and become a privacy coin? I've seen Seth, reconsider his stance on spy corn. It's hijacked, ain't it? In inability to add covenants proves this to me personally. Would love to hear the panels take. I don't know. I think that's a bit my personal view is that's maybe a bit far. Like, I view Bitcoin as like, it depends how you use it. You can be private and do things well. It's just you have to be a lot more careful. It's not that you can't, and so it's down it's down to the individual where you have to be much more of a mong to fuck up sending privately on Monero. That's kinda my stance on it. What about you?
[00:27:26] Unknown:
Yeah. It's I don't know. I'm always going back and forth on this. Like, I I think the the important thing to keep in mind is that Bitcoin is still incredibly useful as long as you can take self custody, and no one can prevent that. As long as you can buy and sell it without KYC, and no one can prevent that. And as long as there is some ability to gain, quote, unquote, good enough privacy Mhmm. On layer one. I think as long as those things hold, Bitcoin remains a useful tool. Like, no matter how suit coin or it gets, how many companies launch treasuries built on Bitcoin. Like, as long as the the core fundamental sovereign usage and access remains, it's still an incredibly useful tool. And one of the main reasons why I decided that I wanted to make sure that I was working on both Bitcoin and Monero long term was that I, like, I see Bitcoin's use not going anywhere. Now that doesn't mean we don't need to fight for it to become more useful, especially from a privacy perspective.
Covenants are a huge part of that that I would I would love to see and then continuing to to fight for within Bitcoin. But I think it's just something we have to be constantly assessing. If if something changes, let's say, Bitcoin centralization Bitcoin mining centralization gets really bad and miners start censoring transactions that don't comply with specific requirements, like, then, yes, we're we're talking about something that is technically hijacked and can't be used in the same way about the sovereign Bitcoiner. But right now, that's not true. And right now, it is still an immensely useful tool. And like I talk about in many places, if, let's say, you love Monero, Bitcoin is a fantastic symbiotic tool with Monero, especially when it comes to actually acquiring Monero. Because if you can get Bitcoin, especially non KYC, you can get Monero, and that that bridge is absolutely unstoppable like we just talked about. So I think it's something where we have to continue to keep evaluating. Obviously, keep pushing for improvements and changes.
Love seeing Ashigara bring back Whirlpool as that that's gonna be a a vital piece of things, as we kinda keep keep an eye on that. But it's not not captured, hijacked. Like, all these, hyperbolic terms are not yeah. They're not they're not helpful in, like, just generally throwing them out there. But we need to keep keep asking ourselves, is this actually true? What would it take for that to become true? How do we fight that? Yeah.
[00:29:50] Unknown:
Hunder Hoosen, I I think, is passport prime shipping to The EU simultaneously to The US? I believe so. Q isn't with us today, but, I'm pretty sure yes. And if I'm wrong, he'll correct me, and I'll let everyone know. But I'm I'm pretty sure it's simultaneous, unless you know, Seth.
[00:30:15] Unknown:
I'd I also don't have a 100% answer. My understanding is, like, I know that they got a a European distributor basically set up already so that they can distribute directly from the EU, and that was partially done to get that set up ahead of Prime. Like, that was already in progress before I before I jumped over to k Wallet. So I'm assuming that that's still holding and that they will be shipping simultaneously. But like you said, q and a is the the expert there. So Yeah. Definitely double check with him. Okay.
[00:30:43] Unknown:
Vibrant subtlety. If all if all charges against samurai and T Dev was dropped tomorrow, what's the first question you would ask them? Freedom tech Friday. Oh, I don't know. I wouldn't ask them anything. I'd leave them alone. They they've had enough stress. If anything, I'd say, do you want a cup of tea, mate? Or just like, you know, do you want a drink? So that'd probably be my question. What about you?
[00:31:08] Unknown:
You wouldn't immediately attack them with questions about when they're gonna join your podcast. That's not what what we did as podcasters. We just assault anyone who's set free to force them to come on our podcast immediately.
[00:31:23] Unknown:
I think if you're a professional cunt, that's what you would do. But, that's not how I like to operate. Yeah. At at most, I would say, would you like a drink, mate? And that's it. But I think people who have gone through that level of stress, I think, I've had some near misses and problems in my life, but not to that level. And I don't think anybody who isn't personally dealing with it or hasn't dealt with it has any fucking idea how stressful this type of situation can be for you and your family and everyone around you. So I would say whenever someone's released and anything, like that, just fucking leave them alone. Let them live their life. They need to recover.
[00:32:07] Unknown:
That's my answer. Actually, I actually have a really funny story about that that I haven't haven't shared publicly. But when Yeah. When I was in Vegas for Bitcoin Vegas, I went downstairs to work out one of the mornings before the conference, and this was in the workout room. Looked over to my right, and lo and behold, Ross Ulrich. Not Wednesday. Working out, which was, like, not only the most surreal and cool thing ever, but but was also a fantastic test of how hardcore of a podcaster am I. Because I I I was like it's like Galadriel and Lord of the Rings kinda style test of, like, he was right there, and I could've just I could've taken it and harassed him about coming on option on ungovernable misfits, but I I had the same thought you had of, like, that dude just needs some peace and quiet. Oh my god. The fact that he can just go downstairs out of his hotel room and work out just like I can. Yeah. His wife was there. They're working out together. Like, that that was one of the coolest, like for me, that was, like, the confirmation of, like, he's actually free. Like, this is is absolutely so wild. And I can't imagine from him, like, from his perspective, what that's like to just wake up, go downstairs, and work out in the hotel weight room. Like, that was just awesome to see. And it was just kinda that reinforcing moment of, like, these guys, they just need to leave them alone. Like, those little things must be so satisfying for them and so, like, life giving. It was really cool to see that. But it also was a good a good test, and I I passed the test. I was surprised.
[00:33:32] Unknown:
Well done. I'm I'm proud of you. I knew you would. I knew you'd leave him alone and let him get on with his with his workout. It's, it's I thought about tying the door shut with a towel and not letting him leave until he until he did the podcast on the spot. But Yeah. Shout out to Ross, and shout out to his mom. Years ago, when we were we did a load of giveaways, and we're raising money for free Ross. We did, like, a load of clothing and stuff. And she wrote me a really sweet, email not email, Twitter message just, like, thanking young goblin misfits, and it was, like, really nice and personal thing. And I know, like, through the years, she'd put so much effort into getting her boy back, and, she just sounds like an incredible woman. So shout out to you as well.
Ross's mom. What else we got here? We've got what are the, Crash Neon? What are the options for someone to acquire a real dojo? A real deal dojo.
[00:34:33] Unknown:
Don't know what that means to acquire a real deal dojo. Like an actual dojo for training samurai? I don't know. Or like a dojo, like, the the actual dojo
[00:34:46] Unknown:
node hardware. Yeah. Well, the dojo node order. Oh, like the Ronin dojo, like the tanto or whatever.
[00:34:53] Unknown:
I assume that's what he's asking. Yeah. Well, they don't make those anymore.
[00:34:58] Unknown:
They don't make them anymore. I think probably there's a lot of people who would, like, did a load of cool three d printing ones of, like, actual little dojo buildings and stuff like that that were quite cool. I don't know. Maybe someone from the the Dojo crew can jump in and let us know, but I don't think so is the answer if that's if that's the question. Jimmy's Jimmy Speddon with zero point zero one XMR. He asked, you can add virtual cards to curve pay and use contactless on GrapheneOS. Check the Graphene forum hashtag free samurai. Maybe that's because we were talking about that the other day, whether you needed, Apple Pay or, and I I think we said you couldn't use it on graphene OS. Obviously, not Apple Pay but Google Pay.
[00:35:53] Unknown:
Yeah. This is something that I thought I remembered not being an option for me. I don't know if it was maybe just not a US thing.
[00:36:02] Unknown:
Oh, okay.
[00:36:04] Unknown:
They also haven't posted anything on their social media in literally a year. Oh. Doesn't give me the best. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe that's I don't know. Maybe something else happened. But, I thought this was an like, an EU only thing, but I very much maybe misspeaking. I just remember looking into this when it was first mentioned, like, a year ago ish and it not being an option for me. But it's definitely something I'll have to look into more. So thanks for the the prompt, Jimmy. They'll check-in that again.
[00:36:34] Unknown:
Right. And, last question from Fen Fenir Lokeson. Is Seth related to Keith Knight from the Libertarian Institute? They look and sound the same. Also, if you put them together in a room, would they switch to speaking in bin art of Vindic? I have no idea what that is.
[00:37:00] Unknown:
Literally no no clue what those things are, which I do. Maybe tells you that I'm not related to Keith Knight, or maybe I'm just really hiding it. I I don't know.
[00:37:08] Unknown:
I still haven't Googled what he looks like, but I can't imagine you guys look the same.
[00:37:13] Unknown:
He's he's white. He has hair. Okay. And he has a beard. Okay. So if those are if that's how you define Seth for privacy, then, yeah, he's basically he's basically me. He does he does wear, like, a fancy shirt and tie, though, so I could never ring myself to that. So that's how you know that we're not related. I had to do that for a job You have to say that. About hung myself with the tie. So Oh, really? I did
[00:37:38] Unknown:
I did years of it proper suited and booted for years, and it was horrendous. Horrendous.
[00:37:45] Unknown:
No. I cannot stand that. I would never be on a podcast wearing a tie. If if I'm ever on a here's here's my my cry for help. You know that someone's gotten me if I ever join a podcast, and I have a full button up shirt and tie on. Oh. That's that's your that's your signal. Yeah. You'll know that I am as you help urgently. Yeah. It's I guess if I tell you my signal publicly, it's probably not the best signal. But That's true. Maybe I'm playing, like, five d chess here. I don't know.
[00:38:14] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, the same here. I'm recording in my boxes again, but no one knows that because no one can see me. So that's how I that's how I roll. It's not even hoodies for me. It's boxes.
[00:38:26] Unknown:
It's a bold move. I Yeah. Won't comment on what I'm wearing right now, but it's definitely not it's definitely not a tie. I can leave that. It's definitely also not just a tie. So I'll just clarify that too. Okay. Yeah. Nice.
[00:38:39] Unknown:
Alright. Well, that's all the questions. So thank you everyone who, who asked all the questions. If we missed any, I'm really sorry, and they'll be in the next episode. Congratulations again to Super Fat Arrow, for winning the passport prime, and, thank you again to Foundation for supplying that as a prize. We really appreciate it. This week, we are giving away some free samurai clothing. So Ungodful Misfits has now made a free samurai hat, hoodie, and t shirt. Pretty awesome if I do say so myself. You can check it out on the Ungovernable Misfits store, but we're gonna be giving them away. And, we've run a competition. The question was, can you please tell us your three favorite freedom tech or freedom tools, and why? And so we had actually quite a lot of messages come through.
I didn't manage to add them in a normal and clever way, so I have to now scroll through our Telegram to see. Should we read through them, or should we just do, like, the top three and pick a winner? Because we are
[00:39:58] Unknown:
approaching time. Should we try and get through them all? Yeah. Let's see if we can see if we can read through them quickly. Come on, Dyslexia. What's your disability?
[00:40:07] Unknown:
Alright. Mister Crown asks or mister Crown says, torrent downloads Genesys USB archive with books, scientific papers, and Samizdat? Samiz what's a Samizdat?
[00:40:26] Unknown:
That's a great question that I don't know. I will Google that while you speed read the rest of them. Okay. And Nosta.
[00:40:34] Unknown:
Thoughtcrime boss says, Monero, because freedom won't exist without private, fungible, digital cash. Mulvad because I don't want every website knowing my location, plus they take XMR payments. And signal because I need private messaging, and I don't see my family using Simplex anytime soon. That's a good one. I like that's very clean and clear, isn't it?
[00:41:04] Unknown:
Honestly, I love this one because it's, like, it's also very practical for pretty much anyone. Yeah. Like, using Monero, MOLVOT, and signal is actually really straightforward. So I I really like that one because of that.
[00:41:16] Unknown:
Yeah. I like that. Katie, from plan b passports, she says a gun, a second passport, and a hardware wallet. And, obviously, she means a passport when she says that as well. I like that as well because all the tech stuff is good, but in a crisis situation, a gun and a passport, they're pretty fucking useful.
[00:41:42] Unknown:
Yeah. Those are I feel like those are when you can get them. Like, second passport can be a lot more difficult for certain jurisdictions. But Yes. Those are some really good, like, shit hits the fan. You have more protection than just, like, a Bitcoin wallet can give you. Like, it's I think that's one of the things that gets forgotten sometimes in the Bitcoin space is, like, just having sats stacked does not guarantee you anything in a lot of specific scenarios, specifically, like, really bad scenarios. Your those stats aren't gonna help you at all until you get somewhere safe where you can actually
[00:42:12] Unknown:
use them for goods and services. So Agreed. Yeah. A gun and a second passport's useful. I've been working hard on second passports and third passports and all this kind of stuff recently and, getting the fuck out of the EU and all the rest of it. So, I'm going through it, and, it's not the easiest thing in the world, but I would say well worth doing, if you can. John, just sends a picture of, like, some sort of 50 caliber massive gun, land mines, and then one of those, like I don't know what you call them, but, like, the suits that makes you look like photo shoot. A ghillie suit. That's it.
Very good, John. Very good. I'd like he's someone you don't wanna fuck within a crisis situation. You wanna leave that guy alone. He's Yeah. Don't go to John's house. That's what I'm that's what I'm learning. Yeah. Yeah. Don't go anywhere near that man's house. It's, it's just not a good idea, unless you're invited. Apparently, they make very good pasta. Atari, Graphene, Monero, and Tor. Very nice. Monero, three d printer for making untraceable weapons and tools, Monero for payments, and a Raspberry Pi as a digital Swiss army knife. I like that. I don't like the Raspberry Pi as they are shit, but I'd say a laptop is a better shout, but I like the rest of it.
BTC wrestler, many good options have already been said, but I'll try to be original. Firearm, physical protection, can you be free if you can't protect yourself from physical harm? Molvad VPN, services that accepts BTC and XMR, and Zeus, Swiss army knife of Bitcoin wallets and a great way to interact with your Bitcoin and lightning node. Just to emphasize ah, it's a screenshot. I'm clicking see more, but it's a screenshot. I can't do it. What are you clicking in the background. Yeah. It's definitely it's definitely good whatever you said, though. You per HODL, hashtag freedom tech Friday, meshtastic, ungovernable communication, rifle, ungovernable meat harvest and protection, and solar array with storage ungovernable energy.
Very good.
[00:44:48] Unknown:
I like this. I like this.
[00:44:53] Unknown:
Get safe box, a well a well for water, a garden for veggies, a chicken for eggs.
[00:45:04] Unknown:
Oh, fucking. I can't pronounce this. I wanna see this I wanna hear this pronunciation. Let's see it. Nixendoyeg
[00:45:15] Unknown:
I don't
[00:45:16] Unknown:
fucking know it. It was beautiful. I think that was perfect, honestly. Really? I haven't done it better myself.
[00:45:26] Unknown:
Arch, to pick to pick three tools, there's a method to my madness here. Arch Linux, we're gonna have the same C more problem. Customizable, configurable packages galore, scriptability, and potentially scalable build if a proper script is made. Reason, everyone at this point needs to use an operating system that won't betray anybody and the GNU Linux operating something something something something. Again, I'm sure that's a really good message. People can go and check it out. It's on Nosta. Read the rest of it. But, yeah, I can't because it's a screenshot, and I'm retarded, and we're short on time. But thank you for your, thank you for your suggestions.
Chad Farrow, foundation passport for my sats, k wallet for my Monero, my Nimbox for host stuff in the cloud. Chad Farrow. You're doing my ad reads for me. That's my three sponsors there. Either either I'm so influential to you that you've just gone, yep. Whatever he says, I'm just gonna choose them, or you're the best shill ever, and I'll send you a percentage. Thank you, mate. What's he saying? Oh, trolling. Not and not an ad low trolling. Love it. Then we've got
[00:46:57] Unknown:
I think we might skip the rest and jump straight to the winners. Just make sure we get them out before we get get hard cut off here. Yeah. We do have a hard cut off.
[00:47:07] Unknown:
Can't believe how much reading I'm doing. I'm doing quite well as well. Maybe the pressure's doing me well. Right. From Ghost. And I and I think, for me, this has to be the winner. Just the amount of effort that's gone into this is incredible. The amount of detail. And although I would say it's not the most user friendly for everyone, I think there are some good points made here. So I think, for this for this episode, the winner is Ghost. And Ghost says, challenge accepted. No fluff, no distractions, no corporate strings. Each of these freedom tools exist outside outside the surveillance surveillance economy.
They aren't just privacy preserving. They are sovereignty tools. Number one, Tails OS. Live amnesic anonymous boots from USB leaves no trace. Why? Because when shit hits the fan, you need something that doesn't remember. Tels turns any computer into a temporary safe house. Built in Tor, no logs, no disk rights unless you say so. Ideal for whistleblowers, journalists, or anyone who wants to vanish. Now all hanging on your key ring. Access hostile neck networks without touching internal drives, publish sensitive material, create disposable sessions that can't be traced.
Hashtag use case crisis mode, Dropbox pickups, burner sessions, very detailed. I think that's a great shout. Tails OS is not something I've really played around with much, but, pretty incredible tool.
[00:48:59] Unknown:
Yeah. It's one of those things you should just try, get comfortable with, and keep around just in case. It's not one of those things, like, most people should use every day or even often at all, but just something that you need to have in your in your toolkit for sure. Yeah.
[00:49:13] Unknown:
Simplex chat, no phone numbers, no metadata, no central servers. Why? Because signal still requires a phone number, and most private messages are tried to tied to identity or metadata in some way with simplex. No fixed IDs, messages rooted over random relays, no way to link sender and recipient. You share temporary invite, not a static handle. We're we're gonna run out of time. So I'll leave that one there. I think that's good. Simplex is a bit glitchy for me, but I get the I get the point. And in theory, it is very good. But I just find not that many people wanna use it, and it is a bit glitchy for me. So I lean on signal harder, but I agree. I think, Seth, any any comment on that?
[00:50:01] Unknown:
No. I mean, the same. I I think it's one of those things, like, you have to have around, but I I too don't think it's quite there. I'm still a signal maxi once they added usernames and removed the requirement for showing your phone number to others.
[00:50:13] Unknown:
Okay. And, key pass x c offline only, local password manager with zero cloud sync built for power users. Why? Because password reuse is digital suicide and cloud based password managers are centralized honey pots. KeePassXC keeps secrets local, lets you sync manually over trusted channels like encrypted USB or syncing, manage multiple aliases and log in store crypto seed phrases, use case, alias control, OPSEC vault, no cloud credentials stored. Okay. Makes sense. I I feel quite happy with my password manager at the moment, but any comments there, mate?
[00:51:03] Unknown:
It's pretty much in the same boat for me. I don't think it's I think it's too hardcore for most people, but it's a good option to try. For me, password managers and encryption and open source is enough. I don't. It doesn't have to be offline only, but it is a great option for sure in open source.
[00:51:20] Unknown:
Okay. Well, congratulations to Ghost. I really appreciate the amount of effort that you've gone into there and definitely for the more more hardcore users, people who take this stuff really seriously. These are all great tools by the sounds of it. Well worth reading that whole thing. It's I think that one was on Twitter. But, yeah, congratulations to you. If you just reach out to me, by any of the channels, I'll make sure you get looked after. Make sure you get a, hashtag free samurai hat, hoodie, and t shirt. And, we'll also be donating, the normal amount for each of those products to Free Samurai.
There were also a couple of other good ones there. Should I just be really generous and just give something else away?
[00:52:15] Unknown:
Would you reckon? Sure. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if we're still live because we are after the top of the hour. We're still live. I did it to 10:30. So we do we do have an extra minute. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it.
[00:52:27] Unknown:
I will say thoughtcrime boss, you get a free samurai hat. I like yours. And Katie from plan b passports, you get a free hat on the condition you use your platform, wear the hat, and tweet it with hashtag free samurai just to get some, attention on that and hopefully more people, support them. So if you agree to that, Katie, you get one as well. Does that sound fair?
[00:52:59] Unknown:
I like it. I like it. Okay. Generous Max. Santa Claus Max.
[00:53:03] Unknown:
So For everyone. Hats. You get a hat. You get a hat. You get a hat. You get a hat. And samurai gets some extra, sats with each of those as well. So alright. Well, it, it definitely didn't go off without a glitch, but we did a pretty okay job there considering. Thank you to everyone who sent in the questions. Thank you for all the answers. Thanks for everyone who's been sharing. I really appreciate it. Thank you to Seth for sticking with me for the first fifteen minutes of that. Just painful, painful time. And we will catch you on the next one. Any last final closing words?
[00:53:44] Unknown:
No. I don't think so. I think you nailed it. We'll, we'll have things fine tuned a little bit more next week. Have the robot back. It'll be fun. Get some questions in. That'd be the main thing. Between now and then, drop questions. We'd love to answer answer all of them. It's my favorite part of this. So Yeah. We'll see you all next Friday. Yeah. And we'll we'll run another, prize giveaway as well. I'll work out what we're gonna give away this time, but, yeah, we'll keep doing these. So thanks, everyone. We pull the plug in 54321.
[00:54:13] Unknown:
Stay ungovernable.
