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Unknown:
Hello, and welcome to Freedom Tech Friday. For those of you that are new here, allow me to briefly explain what this is all about and why the hell we are here. Freedom Tech Friday is a weekly live and interactive show hosted on the Ungovernable Misfits, ex, Nosta, YouTube, Rumble, and Twitch feeds. We go live for one hour every Friday at 9AM Eastern or 2PM UK time. But you can, of course, catch up later on the Ungovernable Misfits podcast feed. On Freedom Tech Friday, we like to cover the latest news and trends for anything relating to Freedom Technologies. That could be anything from Bitcoin or Monero, encrypted messengers, privacy tools, and everything in between.
Essentially, if there's a news item tool or topic that can help you take back some control in today's digital panopticon, we wanna talk about it. My name is Q and A and I'm head of customer experience here at Foundation, where we build Bitcoin focused sovereignty tools. And as always, I'm joined by my good friends, Max, the head honcho at the Ungovernable Misfits Empire, and Seth, who is VP over at K Wallet. As I mentioned, this show is live and interactive, and we rely on you guys to steer us towards the topics you want us to cover and to send them send us your Freedom Tech related questions that you want answering. There's loads of ways you can get involved, all of which really help spread awareness for the show. Commenting or asking questions in the live chat, submitting your topics ahead of time, boosting the show on fountain, sending questions or tips via, XMR chat, or just sharing the show on X or Nostra with your friends.
Top support for last week's show, about spending your SATs comes from Rev Huddl, who sent 721 SATs. It wasn't about spending your Sats. I'm talking rubbish. I haven't updated my notes. We were talking about layer twos, weren't we? Rev Huddl said that discussions like this remind me of how fast everything is really moving. In the present moment, there's so much that could be greatly improved, and the future seems like it will never arrive. All in all, the difference between what's available and what's possible now versus a few years ago is massive. Staying on the cutting edge seemingly offers the opportunity to live slightly in the future. I like that. Very eloquently, Paul. Well, thank you for your support, Rev Huddl.
And without further ado, let's dive into the show. Matt, Seth. How are you doing, gents?
[00:02:13] Unknown:
I'm not too bad, mate. A little bit, down, obviously, with everything that, the news that dropped yesterday. Our, our friends being attacked for giving freedom and privacy to people is, pretty sad to see, and thoughts go out to them and the families. And, it's just a stark reminder of why we do what we do, why we keep going with the show. And, you gotta keep standing up even if they keep attacking because these disgusting parasites do not want you to have freedom, and, people who stood up for it are now being put in a cage. So, somber way to start the show, but just thoughts go out to those guys. We'll cover it, in more detail on the Bitcoin brief.
But, yeah, love, to them and their families.
[00:03:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Likewise. Heavy heavy news to to speak out of. Obviously, we've got some some different stuff to cover today, but definitely gonna be, praying for the samurai wallet, guys. The second sentencing is on the nineteenth. It just got moved.
[00:03:23] Unknown:
So we'll we'll keep an eye out to see how that goes. Hopefully, that one will go slightly better, but, also, we can keep pushing for a a pardon for both of them that is is still possible.
[00:03:33] Unknown:
Mhmm. Obviously, I don't know if I could say I'm hopeful, but it's still possible. So we can keep pushing on that. Keep pushing on the tornado cache. What's that called?
[00:03:46] Unknown:
Man, I'm just The, the the the donations?
[00:03:49] Unknown:
Well, the donations and then that they're, appealing. Yeah. Appealing their their case and their sentence so far. So we can quickly keep pushing on that as well on a related
[00:03:58] Unknown:
related note. Do we have a date for the Roman storm stuff for the next hearing or or whatever it is?
[00:04:06] Unknown:
Not that I know of. I think it may be too early in the appeal process to have an actual date for, like, when they'll have a decision. But I know that the process has been started. I just I I don't know what kind of timeline that's on, though. Okay. Alright. Well, yeah. I mean, echo your thoughts, guys.
[00:04:21] Unknown:
Very sad day yesterday. It was, feeling pretty pretty dejected. Somebody who's, you know, been quite literally a freedom fighter for for years and helped shape many, ungovernables Bitcoin journeys. It's really sad to see how it's all kind of gone down. I guess you could say, you know, it could have been worse maybe, but I still doesn't feel good to say that given the the circumstances. So, yeah, Max and I will probably go a bit deeper on the, on the brief on Monday. Well, when we record on Monday, I should be out next Wednesday or Thursday. But, it would be, you know, we can't not mention it. So, anybody that's kind of affected and involved, obviously, you know, we we, you know, just feel a tiny degree of of your pain and, you know, we're with you as well.
[00:05:09] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:05:10] Unknown:
Okay. This week, we're gonna talk about something, quite literally close to home. That is FreedomTech for families and for kids. Today's kids are growing up basically online all the time, fully digital native. The you know, that range from, being at school, talking to their friends, gaming, basically, their entire lives, all kind of digitally connected. And while the Internet, I guess, opens up a lot of learning and creativity possibilities, it also brings a lot of risks that parents, maybe twenty years ago and before have never had to navigate. So it is kind of a a new, era that parenting is is walking through and how to to deal with this and how to protect our kids. So, yeah, basically, it's like an open question. How do we protect our kids without becoming kind of digital dictator?
Like, how can you balance that safety with them and privacy and, you know, just giving your kids some autonomy and some, you know, trusting in them as well. As always, we'll we're gonna dive into some tools, habits, maybe some mindsets, and educational pieces that we can do to to help families stay connected, informed, and, I guess, in control without kind of wrapping them in common while unlocking them out of the digit digital world. And I would say, you know, it's public knowledge that all three of us are are parents here. And we probably won't go into details of any more details than that. But, speaking personally, like, my my little one is not at an age where I've had to tackle this yet. I'm kind of just about getting into into this kind of field where it's starting to become, something that I'm thinking about.
We certainly absolutely not an expert. I haven't gone through this, but, I thought it was a very timely one, given our current circumstances to kind of shoot the share share some ideas, get some, topics from, from the the live chat as well. Welcome to to you guys. I thanks for stopping by. But I guess, yeah, to kind of open, open the the show and kind of frame the challenge, like, we we all we're we're all roughly a similar age, give or take. And, you know, we grew in a weird time really, I guess. It was, we probably remember pre Internet, but, you know, we we pretty much grew up with a computer in our home, I guess, would it would probably be be safe to say. And our kids are growing up in a very different, a different kind of era, I guess, where everything is much more connected.
So, like, how do you guys see this at a high level, guys? Like, you know, is this something you've gone through before? And do you have anything you can share? Or what, you know, what are your kind of opening thoughts on the topic of, like, kids, the Internet, and technology?
[00:08:02] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, I feel like I grew up kind of on the tail end of, like, the the free chill Internet side of things. So, there's definitely some some adjustment, but I don't think it's maybe as harsh as those people who are maybe a little bit older and have older kids who maybe you grew up before things kinda got insane. So for me, I think a lot of it a lot of it is figuring out, like, how do you actually teach them the why rather than just enforce technical restrictions? Because, like, I I I think about this a lot. Likewise, I have little ones that it's not it's not time yet to be thinking about this, but it's gonna happen a lot sooner than I would like, especially because they're they're gonna get exposed through friends and others to smartphones and other things that have just wide open network access.
And I've I know from experience that technical restrictions and not teaching the why does not does not work. It doesn't last. A lot of my early hacking and technical, expertise comes from my parents trying to enforce technical restrictions and me not being bought into the the idea of why they were there and finding ways around them. So I I I think a lot of it, like, a lot of it comes down to the philosophical and to the the culture of your family, making sure that everyone's on board of the why, not just being this, like, strict top down. We don't do that. Just you just need to accept that and and deal with it. But but rather kind of talking through the why, helping to find good ways to use Internet, and and onboarding them into a culture that is safe, but also, like, enjoys the the good things that we have thanks to technology, thanks to the Internet these days.
[00:09:48] Unknown:
Yeah. I think that's a good point. It's, like, teaching them the why because cutting kids off from anything just makes them wanna do it more. Like, the same with alcohol or things like that. Like, the Europeans who give their kids a little bit of wine with a family meal when they're younger, they're much less likely to once they hit, like, 16, 17, 18, go out and get absolutely battered with their friends because it's no longer, like, something they can't do. So I think that's the approach we're gonna take in our home is, like, they have access to technology, but trying to teach them how. And then a big, concern from day one has always been as well, like, with security, with cameras, with baby monitors, things like that, making sure that the only people that have access is us. And, you hear the sort of horror stories around things like that. So, yeah, lots to cover in this one. I think it's gonna be good.
[00:10:47] Unknown:
Yeah. I think just, like, one more quick thing to add to. Like, I think a lot of it comes down to principles that you can teach long before they're actually on the Internet using smartphones, etcetera. Like, just teaching about trust, who you can trust, who you can't trust, helping them to understand why you're careful with strangers. Like, it it all sounds like very rudimentary parenting stuff that everyone knows is a thing, but all those same concepts are really helpful to get, again, ingrained in the culture of your family really young so that when you get to the Internet, when you get to smartphones, when you get to your kids spending time with other kids who probably won't have the same restrictions if you do put any restrictions on digital access, they need to understand why, and then they need to to understand those safeguards. And that that stuff just starts really early. So I I think it just just calling out that this even if your kids aren't this age or even if you don't have kids yet, but you you think you will have kids to start thinking about this early so you have a clear have a clear game plan, and you don't kinda panic when suddenly your kids are Internet age and all their friends have smartphones, and you're like, oh, no. Like, what am I gonna do now? Start thinking about it and getting started.
[00:11:50] Unknown:
And you're sleep deprived and stressed and making bad decisions as a parent. It's better to do it do it before you have them.
[00:11:58] Unknown:
True. True.
[00:11:59] Unknown:
Yeah. I I think you both make great points there, and and education is one thing that I really wanna, kick us off with to to kind of deep dive into. But, before we do that, like, a personal experience of mine, like like and you said it really well, Max. Like, when you're you're sleep deprived and stressed, it can just feel like the really easy thing to do to be like, oh, you know, I don't go and watch YouTube or here's an iPad. You know, just give me an hour to sort myself out. And, like, I I something that I've done as a parent is is to really try and not fall into that trap because it is an easy trap to fall into and to kind of take the easy way out. And another thing that I've been very cognizant of is just, like, when I'm just going around the house and and I'm not working and we're just spending some family time together is to make sure that my phone's not in reach, and it's not or even if it's kind of the the other side of the room, it's not pinging. And I'm not demonstrating that I am as much of a slave to that device as I really truly am. So I try and kind of distance myself from it so that, you know, my kid doesn't grow up thinking it's the norm that somebody's got a they glued to a device all the time. And hopefully, I'm thinking that that's gonna pay dividend in when when they get a bit older to be, you know, not expect the exact same thing themselves as well to be like, well, you know, you and mommy, are always glued to your phone. So why can't I have one? Like, that's a very difficult question to to to kind of come back from and to kind of be able to to explain, really. So I don't know whether you guys in your whether you're able to share anything, whether you do anything similar, or whether you've got friends and family who've who've deployed stuff like that that you think has worked really well, or or maybe the opposite end of the spectrum where you think it's gone disastrously and you're like, oh, shit. I'll make sure I don't do that.
[00:13:45] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, a key one for us, like you said, is that, like, not sitting on your your screens the whole time your kids are around. It is really, really hard. I will not I will not say that that is easy. It's especially difficult when you have a job you love and you have social media platforms that you love and you you're actually, like, using for good things. It's very hard to to put those down. But kids, especially when they're young, they learn by mimicking you. And if they see you on your phone all the time, they will wanna be on your phone all the time. They'll wanna have their phone immediately. It really does, again, just kinda set the culture and set the standard for your family. So, like, I mean, again, it sounds really rudimentary, but, like, for us, a a strict rule is our time around the table is really important family time for us. Like, I'm privileged enough to to work from home and be able to do all three meals with my family. So we have a very simple no phones at the table rule, and, our our oldest will help us enforce it. So if he sees that that any of us are on our phone or I'm trying to keep up with with messages or something and I forget the rule, he'll he'll walk around the table, grab my phone, set it on the kitchen counter, and say, no phones at the table, dad. He'll he'll keep me honest. So sometimes your kids are are better at this than, than you are.
[00:14:57] Unknown:
How about that? What about you, Max? Any any friends or family members or stuff that you've seen kind of go disastrously in this field or stuff that's worked really well?
[00:15:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I've definitely seen people who, to your first point, rely on, like, TV, YouTube, stuff like that way too much. And we were definitely worse for it, back in The UK just because the weather is always so disgustingly miserable, and you can't go outside. You're out of getting mud Can't confirm. Wet and and even if you do go outside, you might get stabbed. So we spent more time inside, and, that was something that, yeah, we've we've pretty much cut out, but you sometimes have to revert to it. But it's it's also, like, what are they watching? Like, half the stuff, you know, half of it is just like crack for kids. Like, this, what's it called? The coco melon thing. Have you seen that thing? Yeah. I was gonna mention. Yep.
It's fucking hideous, and I see so many people who just their kids are glued to it for hours on end, and I'm like, this cannot be good. So, we get the, you know, the sort of like Scarface and things like that on for us. It's it's much, much more wholesome content.
[00:16:14] Unknown:
Nice. I I only hope you're joking there. That's yeah. That that makes me think of it. Yeah. Bitcoin veterans have said, CocaMelon is demonic. Yeah. Some of the noises that come out of that thing are quite literally demonic. I'm glad you mentioned that actually because, like, I'm thinking that we've talked briefly about education and and Sanit kind of touched on the aspect of, like, content moderation. And do you think there's a, like, a tipping point of where I think content moderation and just prevention of using, like, an iPad or, you know, not giving a four year old a phone or not letting them watch TV for six hours a day? I think prevention for me is is, like, easier when the kids are younger because they don't have all of those social pressures and they don't, you know, they're not as, advanced mentally to want us to go on the Internet and, I don't know, go on, you know, do Snapchat and things like that because they they don't have those social networks built up yet.
So what what do you think there's, like well, do you agree with me first and foremost? And then follow-up question would be, do you think there's, like, a tipping point as to when it then needs to become an educational piece because they're just being exposed to to much more, and they're being you know, they wanna kinda spread their wings.
[00:17:31] Unknown:
Yeah. For me, I'm, like you said, when they're young, it's easier to, like, withhold certain things that you know will just be damaging. But it's also really essential to do so. Like, when we're talking kids, like, three, four, five, six, they don't have impulse control. Like, biologically, they don't they don't have that yet. They they don't have fully developed the ability to actually, like, stop doing something because they know that they should. And so you you have to essentially act as that safeguard and keep them from things like coco melon that are are literally designed to keep their attention no matter what and to make it impossible for them to look away. Like, they spend many, many dollars, a lot of time, tons of research, making sure that these things, Cocomelon and and there are many other examples of this, are, like, unable to be turned away from by your kids.
And and at the age that most kids are watching that, they just they literally have no control over that. So that's where you step in as the parent. But I I think also, like, this this comes back to helping them understand, like, TV and movies and shows. Like, those will always be there. Like, those don't go away, especially because we're out of the age of live TV where if you don't catch it at that moment, you'll never see it again. Like, this stuff is always accessible. The things that aren't accessible are like that time with your friends in person, the your neighbor down the street who's playing on the playground that you can go play with right then. Like, those are the things that you can't get back. Those immediate, like, in person moments of joy and experiences, those are the things that can never happen again. Whereas whatever your favorite TV show is, Bluey or something like that, it's always there. Later on, when everyone's in bed or when, when it's too cold to play outside or something, you can always have that as something you can enjoy, but just kinda, like, teaching me. Like, that is it's not a bad thing necessarily, but it's not the best thing most of the time. And, like, helping them to understand, like, you should value those in person relationship. You should value value that neighbor down the street. Like, those things are way more important and starting to teach that early, but especially when they're really on. Like, you you have to kind of you have to be their safety net because they they biologically and psychologically can't do that in the same way that you can as an adult.
[00:19:40] Unknown:
Busyness as well is my last point on this is, like, it's hard to to keep your kids busy if you are busy yourself. You've got work. You've got other responsibilities in cleaning and do all the shit that you gotta do as an adult. But if you can keep them busy physically, especially, in, like, sports clubs and, like, going and doing active stuff, like, after school, whether that's, you know, playing football or, like, whatever it is, that, I think, helps quite a lot because when they're just bored and sitting around is when they're gonna sort of, like, cause trouble and mess around just because they're bored and they've got all this extra energy. That's when a lot of people would just turn on the TV or give them an iPad or something like that. So just, like, somehow finding a way, even if it's, like, working with other parents who they can be friends with to go and do stuff and share the responsibility of, like, keeping them active, I think is a massive one. At least we found that.
[00:20:39] Unknown:
Yeah. I do I know we're kinda going on a tangent here, but I I do wanna to touch on that a little bit. I think two things that that we found are really helpful are, one, like, put them to work a lot younger than you think. Like, having them help around the house, helping them do little chores. It's really, really good. It wears them out. It challenges them. It teaches them good work ethic really young. Like, obviously, you're not working on, like, slaves or something. Like, it's just little things here and there, but that's a really useful tool to help them to, like, get out extra energy and get out extra mental energy as well. But, also, like, something I think that's important to teach that used to just be the norm is, like, boredom is good. Like, having times where you're bored and you don't have something occupying your attention is actually really, really important for your brain. It's really important for creativity.
It's really important for so much of, like, what used to be the norm in society. Like, you used to have a lot of boredom, and that was when a lot of things got created. That was when a lot of inventions happened. That was when a lot of, fun experiences happened. Like, you were bored, and so you figured out something to do, and you you made new things. You came up with new ideas. You made new friends. And so, like, that's another thing you can teach is, like, this age is an age where people don't ever want to be bored. Like, if their attention isn't grabbed by something, it's like, what the hell am I gonna do? But, no, it's actually that's really good for you to be bored sometimes.
[00:22:02] Unknown:
Absolutely. Cosign all of that sort of stuff, guys, and, very well well said. I've taken a few tidbits away from that as well. That's, very useful, namely, child slave labor. So thanks for that, Seth.
[00:22:16] Unknown:
And to clip it.
[00:22:17] Unknown:
Yeah. That's that's the clip show sorted. Seth is a slave, child slave labor driver. Education. We we you know, it goes without saying that educating your kids around, like, safe usage of the Internet and social media and things like that is is an obvious thing that most parents are gonna wanna do, but it feels like a very, very tricky one to navigate. And, again, I'm gonna hold my hands and say I haven't gone through this yet. My my kid's too young, but it's something that I'm wrestling with to be like, how how do you teach somebody so young and so innocent that they're you know, this Internet thing, whilst it can very much enrich your life and provide you with untold amounts of, freedom and, education, and you can learn so much from it, but also, like, there's very, very distaste for people out there that will try and manipulate you for their own gain, etcetera. Like, that feels like a scary conversation to have with, you know, a a young child that's never been exposed to that. I don't know whether you guys have kind of wrestled with that or had to go through that. And and, you know, if you've got any tips or tricks that would be kind of useful to not only me, but to the audience to be like, you know, how do you think about this sort of stuff? Because it's not a conversation that I'm kind of, looking forward to having and and doing in such a way that, you know, a four, five, six year old can can understand and actually think that I'm not just talking complete bullshit.
[00:23:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm not there yet personally either.
[00:23:48] Unknown:
I mean, I'm not really there yet either. Like, obviously, we all have only younger kids. It's it's clear. But I think, again, this, unfortunately, starts a lot earlier than you think it would. Like, just the the broken world that we live in. Like, there are a lot of a lot of sketchy people out there. And as people get online and as there's more avenues for kids to get online earlier than you think, Like, it is something that needs to happen earlier. And and, like, again, very simply, like, the way we think about it and talk about it is, like, we we should be kind to everyone, but we shouldn't trust anyone immediately.
So, like, teaching them you should you should never be close enough for a stranger to touch you. Just, like, generally touch. I'm not talking anything more than that, but just generally touch. You only you only get close to adults that that are trusted adults. Talking to them about, like, you can say hi, that sort of thing, but you don't talk to to strangers, especially adults when they're not with you. Like, it it's all kind of the it starts with the normal stranger danger stuff, but like I'm like I'm saying, that starts before the digital. You first talk about the physical and you talk about that kind of safety. And then I think when you kind of have that established, you can expand that into the digital of, like, hey. There's gonna be crazy people online.
You're gonna have to deal with it and learn to deal with that. Here's some some good things you can do. And I think just, like, trying to have a culture of of openness and honesty and your kids being able to come to you and say, hey. Like, there was something really weird today. I wanna talk about it even if maybe I feel a little bit weird about it or maybe your your kid feels a little bit ashamed about something that someone else said or, like, having that culture of openness, I think, is really, really, important. It's
[00:25:33] Unknown:
John, I've just seen your, message in the chat. Check your Telegram. There's a link there if you wanna join us. You're more than welcome to. I know you got some awesome takes on this that we've been talking about in the background. So please, feel free to join if you're not, you know, in the middle of nowhere doing awesome shit as always.
[00:25:49] Unknown:
He will be. He'll be in the middle of nowhere, but he might just he might just join, trim up some telegraph poll or something.
[00:25:57] Unknown:
That would be, yeah, FreedomTech Friday live from a telegraph poll. That would be pretty cool. What about you, Max? I I know you you mentioned that, you know, it's you're probably in a similar position to me really where, you haven't kind of had to go through the educational piece just yet. Is that fair to say?
[00:26:13] Unknown:
Yeah. I I haven't, but I I've spoken to John. If he does join, he'll be answering things in detail, but I've spoken a lot to him. He has older kids and, battles with this. But, the synopsis of what he'll kind of say is you have to just be a hard ass. Like, when the kids get older and they can speak for themselves and they have their own ideas and their friends are doing things, like, sometimes you just have to be the hard headed, like, uncool parent and not allow the kind of, like, social pressure that, oh, well, every other kid is allowed to have an iPhone when they're nine or whatever. And, like, you have to say, well, you're not we don't do that in this family, and it's for your safety. And if they throw a wobbly about it or, like, you know, have a go at you about it, it's not your job just to be their friend.
You're there to protect them as number one and and guide them. So I I think, like, from speaking to him, that's something that I'm preparing myself for is, like, having times where my kids are annoyed with me and and just accept that because it's for their own good.
[00:27:30] Unknown:
It's gonna be something that I'm gonna find very difficult. Like, I I have I have absolutely no qualms in just saying no and being the bad guy because I know it's for for their their good. But, like, when they're you know, if they ever come back and I I think John used an example of, you know, he was he was playing hardball and, you know, didn't give him a phone or or weren't they weren't allowed certain apps or something like that. I can't remember the specifics, but he was it was it was a prevention kind of, that he was taking, or angle that he was taking. And, it gonna become difficult for me. I just know that when my little one says, look, you know, all my friends have this this phone or all my friends have this app, and this is where we coordinate all of our friendship stuff, and I'm now missing out. That's gonna be very difficult for me. And I, again, I don't know how I'm gonna tackle that because I still may feel that they're not at the kind of right age to interact with that app or have that phone or something like that. So I guess, yeah, there ultimately is no right or wrong answer. You can either kind of, I guess Get them back to work is what Seth does. Yeah. If he says, listen. Exactly.
[00:28:37] Unknown:
Where's that dinner? I told you I wanted it on the table at 06:00. Work now.
[00:28:43] Unknown:
You can have a phone once you earn your freedom.
[00:28:45] Unknown:
Exactly. Yeah. That's the best way. Well, may maybe John would join us on this, but, yeah. We're I think that that's the sort of the basics of it. And then, past past that, like, past the, like, social stuff and, like, how we conduct ourselves as parents, I think, it's like, well, how do we give some access to tech? And you don't wanna cut it completely out of their lives because it's so powerful, but, like, how do we use it in the best way to give them as much freedom as we possibly can without without exposing them to the risks. And there are massive risks now. Like, it's it genuinely scares the shit out of me. Like, it is really, really terrifying if you just go, here you are. Here's a device. Here's Internet access. Go wild.
[00:29:39] Unknown:
It's a tough one, isn't it? And I think as they get older and more headstrong, and that kind of I don't know about you guys, but, like, when I was in my teens and things like that, like, being, obviously, it wasn't Snapchat or anything like that way back when it was more like s m MSN Messenger and things like that. But it felt like the most important thing in the world for me to be connected with my friends at all times, like, and be in in the in groups and to be up to speed with the latest goings on. And now, like, my phone rings and I'm just like, oh, fuck off. Like, another Telegram chat goes off or another signal chat goes off. It's like such a such a, I guess, a flip reverse. But, like, when you're that age and you're going through high school, particularly where you're kind of finding your feet as a young adult, like, that can feel like the most important thing in the world. And, yeah, I just know there's gonna be some difficult conversations to to be had to, you know, get the find that balance really between, you know, having your kid not glued to a phone, or or a device or something like that, but also not kind of excluding them from the the kind of social circles. Because, like, if all of their friends have x, y, or zed, like, it's it's difficult to just to you know what I mean? To just be so no, basically.
I don't know if there is a middle ground or whether you just have to kind of pick a side and be happy with it. I guess that could be a good segue actually in terms of finding a middle ground. Like, particularly as your kids get older and they get more headstrong and they get more tech savvy, like physical controls, maybe like a built in app controls. Like, I know Apple and Google have their own version of kind of parental controls that, again, I've never, kind of had any dealings with just yet. My kids are too young, but I know that these platforms allow you to basically control most of what your kids can do, be it at a very high level in terms of what apps they're gonna store, preventing, you know, app store purchases, or limiting specific time spent on certain apps? Like, how do you guys feel about that when you get to that position to, like, do you think that that's something that you're gonna gonna leverage? Or do you think that that's kind of not the the way forward, and and why would that be?
[00:31:57] Unknown:
Before Seth jumps into this, because he'll have the sort of good info on this, I just thought as you said it, I'm planning this for a fair few years ahead. And one thing that we can't really be sure of is where things go. Like, things have evolved so quickly with the Internet and with connectivity and everything else. You know, four, five, six, seven years from now where it, like, becomes really important for me is, like, fuck knows. I don't know what's what things are gonna look like. I don't know what, like, kids all doing their Snapchats and all this kind of stuff. Like, where is it in ten years? So to some degree, you can sort of do the planning, but maybe not that far ahead.
Like, how are they gonna get around all this stuff?
[00:32:43] Unknown:
Yeah. I think a lot of that is where it does come down to these, like, these more generic solutions. Like, not thinking specific on, like, okay. TikTok is the plague right now. How do I block them from using TikTok only? But, like, the the more broad controls Apple and Google have, I think, are are quite useful. I I think this is yet another arena where, like, Apple is gonna be way better for many reasons than Google would. Like, I would never wanna hand my kid a stock Google OS phone, but that would be the only way I'd have the same controls as I could have on Apple to set usage limits to to schedule downtime.
Because you you as far as I understand it, you couldn't do that on something like graphene OS where you could on an iPhone. And, honestly, iPhones aren't aren't that bad for privacy these days either. Obviously, an open source, so there are downsides. But I think that is where these, like, general restrictions come in, but it's also another really good place where we can model this for our kids. Like, I use screen time app usage limits on my my phone, and having that, like, maybe showing our kids, like, hey. This is how I have this set up because, like, I I really struggle. Twitter can really absorb me. I can get sucked into it and get sucked into debates. So I have to set really strict limits so that I don't spend all my time doom scrolling or all my time yelling at people about spam on the blockchain. Like, you can model this for your kids too and use all the same tools.
So I I think that's a lot of the the place where this starts, especially again when they're younger, teaching them the the why so they see, like, okay. Dad does this. Like, it's not just him, like, having full access and doing whatever he wants and then me having all the restrictions. It's like dad actually does this too because he understands these downsides. So I think that's another another way that we can really model this for our kids. But those, like, the the restrictions that you can do both with Apple and Google depending on exactly this what setup you have are really, really useful. And on mobile, it's gonna be much, much, much harder to to work around, any restrictions that you put in place than it would be on a on a laptop or desktop.
[00:34:56] Unknown:
Yeah. I I'm, I agree with you there, Seth. I think the Apple kind of implementation of that, I'm sure is probably gonna be be much slicker. And I I think, you know, maybe that might be the the route I take when the when the time is right, perhaps. But it's funny you mentioned GrapheneOS actually that when I kind of opened the floor there for you two to to answer some questions, I was just thinking I can literally just imagine my little one being like, when she gets tech savvy enough to be like, well, Doug, why have you got a Grafino s phone that's nice and private, but I've gotta have this one so that you can control what I'm doing on it? And I'm like, yeah. It'd be a difficult question to answer. But again, it comes full circle again to what you just said, Seth, around, like, education piece and setting a good example, basically. It's kind of I don't know. It's just that seems to be, for me, the best way to to set to lay, like, a really strong foundation so that you don't need to lean as much on all of these prevention tactics.
They just, on their own, make the right decisions. And, you know, I I think that that would be quite well intentioned, but I think when the allure, as particular as you get older, the allure of, like you know, we we all get sucked into Twitter doomscall holes or, you know, if you if you're an Instagram user, I'm sure that it's the same. Like, I'm sure as a as a young developing mind, like, that pull and that dopamine rush is even stronger. So not saying it's gonna be gonna be easy, but, yeah, setting a good example seems to be the the kind of obvious one, really. Max, kind of wanna bring you in here. You got any any thoughts or anything to add here?
[00:36:29] Unknown:
Not really. I don't think so.
[00:36:32] Unknown:
So we talked about, like, operating system level kind of prevention or monitoring. I what about a network level? Like, most of the time, the kids are gonna be on, their devices at home, particularly if they're younger. Like, do you think there's any merit to having, like, router level blockages where you can cut off a certain device at a certain time? I guess on the surface of it, you could probably achieve that from what we've just talked about with, the operating system level maybe. But is there any, like, additional stuff where, I guess, maybe you could block certain websites perhaps? Restriction.
[00:37:12] Unknown:
Go on, man. Yeah. I would what I would say if you I'm sure you can do this. It's like do, like, age restriction for content, do, certain website blocks, and things like that, would probably be a good idea. But then, you know, it depends what device they have because if they've got a three g enabled device and it's not on the device, but it is on router level, then it's like, okay. Well, that's fine. It's only when it's at home. That's doesn't really fix the issue. So if it the device level stuff would be best and then router level on top maybe.
[00:37:47] Unknown:
For, somewhat of a or the most networking savvy amongst the three of us, what's, what's your take here? Any any benefits to kind of doing stuff at a root level that you can't achieve elsewhere?
[00:37:59] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, I would also kind of expand it past router level. Like, router level is the easy way well, let me take a step back. So DNS, like, specifically DNS where you're able to block specific things, is an incredibly useful tool. Like, kids or no kids is just something everyone should be using, because using a better DNS provider that lets you block ads, that lets you block tracking, is just kind of like a it's an absolute win win. So you should be using this no matter what. Like, even if you're not gonna have kids, it it doesn't matter. They're they're really good solutions here. Next DNS is my favorite.
You can self host your own with Pi Hole. There's some other options as well. But, essentially, what this lets you do is that when a device that's on that network or a device that is using that DNS provider, like something like NextDNS, you can use on all your devices even when you're out and about. It doesn't it doesn't have to be basically, well, any DNS that is reachable from the Internet, you can use on any device. It doesn't have to be at home or on your on your router or anything like that. It essentially, when your device says, hey. I want to go to, let's say, pornhub.com, the DNS will just say, oh, there's no IP address for that, and it'll sync all it and basically tell your device there's nowhere you can go to to reach that d that domain name, and make it so that there's basically no way to reach that unless you change the DNS.
So it's a really vital tool. It's super simple to deploy and use. You just set DNS, and you move on with your life. And, the the one callout I'll make, though, is that at least without tighter device controls, DNS is one of the easier things to change and work around. That will depend on the platform. Like on iOS, they would have to have, higher privileges to be able to remove the profile that you would set DNS in. But, on, like, laptops or desktops, a lot of times there's no way to restrict someone from changing the DNS. So it can be quite easy to to get around.
But it's a really good, like, just low hanging fruit way to improve your online experience no matter what. Again, you should be using this whether you have kids or not, if only for the ad blocking and the, the tracker blocking aspect of this. Like, NextDNS has prebuilt list that'll even, like, block smart home device analytics. They know the the domains that they're reaching out to, and they'll automatically block those as well. So there's a lot of benefits here, but it it is it is something where it's not just your home network. You can deploy it on your home network, on your router so that any device that connects automatically gets that DNS. But you can also put it on devices themselves so that even when you're out and about using a VPN, whatever, you're using that DNS and getting those, those block lists as a part of that. So it's it's kind of like a first step. You'll probably need more controls beyond that, but it's a a first step that's really, really useful and gives you a lot of other advantages rather than just blocking, bad sites or blocking specific apps, that sort of thing.
[00:40:50] Unknown:
Yeah. On on this, Bonnie is asking, is self hosted AdGuard home as good as the others? I can't answer that one, unfortunately.
[00:41:00] Unknown:
It can be. As with anything with self hosting, it depends. Would you rather pay with your time or pay with your money? Setting it up and using it isn't that difficult, but a lot of the, like, list management and knowing what list to use, that sort of thing, just can be a little bit, like, irksome. Plus, if it's not if it's not necessarily easy to reach or, like, when you're not at home or if it goes down and if your wife is trying to reach something to buy something that gets blocked by it because of tracker links, which can easily happen with these things. It can just be a lot more painful. So I lean towards not self hosting this.
And so I've used Next DNS for many years and and really appreciate it. It's much more plug and play, much more simple, easier to deploy on lots of different devices because they have clients that you can install, like, directly on most routers, that will set it as well, and will do things like DNS over HTTPS so that you have encrypted DNS. There it makes a lot of the setup easier, but that's not to say you can't do the same things with the self hosted options. It can be really good if you're gonna spend the time to set it up.
[00:42:07] Unknown:
Yeah. As with all, all things self hosted. Alright. Okay. We've, we've talked about education. Very important. We've talked about various different ways that you can, you know, again, essentially, essentially, it boils down to prevention. You know, could be OS level, could be router level, could be simply, no. You're not having a phone because you're five years old. But the the Internet for all its faults is a very, or can be a wonderful place in terms of boosting creativity, you know, getting a very strong education in a specific topic. Like, have you guys, used anything? Might be an app. It might be a website with your younger kids that you think is is worth a mention here to be like, well, actually, I don't mind if they spend some time on this app or website because the benefits far outweigh the fact that they might be looking at a screen for an hour.
I'm trying to think, you know, YouTube, I I guess, for me personally, like, in in used in the in a supervised environment, particularly for younger kids, can be a great educational tool. Not only for my little kid, but for me personally. Like, I've learned loads of shit from YouTube. Could be, like, DIY stuff. Could be, you know, how to change a wheel on a car or something like that. Like and there's been very similar kind of, albeit different topics, but applicable things that my little one has learned. And she comes out, she'll watch the video, and she'll, like, say something to me that I know I haven't taught her. And and I'll be like, holy shit. Like, where did you hear that? She's like, oh, yeah. I saw it on a YouTube video. And it might be, like, something to do with farming or something like that. And I'm like, do you know what? Actually, like, she's learned something there. Like, that's a really thing. So have you guys got any any apps or websites where you found have actually been really beneficial?
[00:43:52] Unknown:
Only two things. One is we've got this little, like, laptop thing. It's like a kid's laptop where it teaches them about letters and numbers, but it's like games that they play with the keyboard to, like, learn about them. And because I just has nothing else than these couple of programs that it runs. That's quite good. And then she really fucking winds me up, but I don't mind miss Rachel, if you know who that is. Like, she does all these, like, she wears these stupid dungarees, and she does, like, songs and stuff. But generally, like, they're learning about, again, like, letters and numbers and, like, words and, like, things like that. So I don't mind that one. Like, if if they have to sit in front of that for half an hour or something, I'm I'm not too bothered by it. Someone's gonna reach out and be like, oh, yeah. She's a demon or something, but she seems alright to me. She doesn't seem like a demon.
[00:44:48] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, yet again, it it comes down to balance. But there are fantastic tools, I think, especially for those that that plan on homeschooling. Like, there's fantastic stuff online that you can use for teaching your kids. Like, just like always, the Internet can be an absolutely amazing tool. Like, it can be so so useful and so good, and teaching people teaching your kids about the good on the Internet is also, like, really useful. Like, if we're constantly railing, it's the Internet and Internet bad, like, guess what your kids are gonna do? Like, they're gonna wanna explore the Internet, figure out, like, why does why does my dad hate the Internet so much? It's the same thing that always happens when we are constantly talking about how evil something is, but we don't again explain, like, that there's there is good that like, what the balance is, like, what using it responsibly can look like. There are really good things. I mean, like, specifics, I don't really have any past, like you said, good educational YouTube videos, like, documentaries. I think some someones that, my kids love are the the planet Earth and blue planet, movies.
They're just fantastic. Doesn't look beautiful. They're really well done. Like, that sort of thing, like, I I have no problems with that and doing that a little bit extra than we would normally do screen time for sure. But yeah.
[00:46:06] Unknown:
John, I see you joined the green room, but your camera's on, and I can't figure out how to turn off. So if you wanna flick that off, and then I'll add you in. Unless you're happy to come in on camera.
[00:46:19] Unknown:
Don't do that. Don't do that for the audience's sake.
[00:46:22] Unknown:
There's probably gonna be a bit of a delay for him to pick up our audio as well, so let's give him a a a few, few moments. But, before we bring him in, guys, anything else that we haven't talked about regarding, like, freedom tech families and and kids and stuff that we haven't covered off? For me, it's just it's just a a tricky one to kind of, to navigate. But go on, Max.
[00:46:45] Unknown:
I was just gonna say the the big one and one that we put into practice is, for the child monitors. I think that's a really important one, especially Like like baby monitor, you mean? Yeah. Baby monitors. Like, you know, the last thing you want is a baby monitor being accessed or, like, open to the Internet. And so I think it was UQ who who said to me, well, just don't have a Wi Fi enabled one. That's, like, the most simple, fix for this. And that's something that we implemented, and it it put my mind at ease quite a lot, because that is obviously not something you want someone to have access to.
[00:47:25] Unknown:
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[00:47:28] Unknown:
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[00:47:30] Unknown:
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[00:47:48] Unknown:
the You should you can come over it.
[00:47:50] Unknown:
Samurai and Ronin Dojo. Yeah. That's right. Old school. That was one of our first ones. Seth is saying a a a lot of great things like the family time stuff, the the talking with your kids. For the Freedom Tech thing, and and I said this in our private chat when when you guys asked about it, is it's like no matter what FreedomTech you put in front of these kids, they're gonna figure out a way around it. Like, they're so dogged about getting on these things and bypassing your your your, your roadblocks that you have on there for them. For instance, the phone. So our oldest one is the only one with a phone. And I've got a lot of protocols on there, screen time, you know, nothing after 08:00, nothing before they, like, get on the bus in the morning.
You can have music anytime. You can have notes anytime. That kind of stuff. But what they end up doing ever so often is just going to another device in the house. So I told them, alright. Your YouTube limits are this. And then there they are on the the the family TV watching YouTube. There they are on the computer in in the office, which is really just dedicated just to the jukebox in in the PlebMiner group. They're so savvy about figuring out workarounds, screen times. So they'll do a screen time request, and then they'll steal Sarah's, iPad and approve the request on her iPad.
So you'll see the request come across and you go, oh, already approved. Wait a minute. Sarah's not at home. How how did that get approved? So I I I think, like, depending on these depending on these apps to be foolproof is is kind of a fool's errand. You really have to stay on top of it. And and the biggest thing, like Seth was saying, is is that family time because that gives you the opportunity to bring up the things that that that you want to to speak with them about. And the personalities are so different. So I can tell, you know, my oldest kid who's who's almost 14 now anything because she really she's like a dad fan.
You know, what what I say is so important to her, and she internalizes it. She thinks about it. So when we we talk about predators on the Internet and and why she can't have TikTok and why her Snapchat is so limited and why she can't have a lot of these things. And it's really because of of the predators that not everybody is a nice guy. This community that you lived in, this social group that your family has created for you to exist around is not necessarily a representation of the real world. So you have to have these constant conversations with them. And and the biggest thing that I I wanted to to mention to you guys is so you can say, alright. Snapchat's evil.
TikTok is evil. Just just pick pick, pick an app that you guys hate, and you say, well, my kid's never gonna have access to it. Or YouTube, for instance. Yeah. There's a lot of great, educational resources on YouTube. So I'm gonna give them access to YouTube. But then they'll tune their algorithm to some stupid ass shit. So now the power of YouTube and and the resources the great resources that you have on there aren't available to them simply because it's not being suggested to them. They have they have to actively go out and find it. So I I just wanna tell the Snapchat story because I I think that's that's really gonna be indicative of everybody's experience as they start to release different apps to your child for utility's sake.
The oldest one was only allowed to communicate with her friends via Messenger, Facebook Messenger, and that's something that Sarah could check-in because it was through her account so she could see all of the kids' messages. And and that was very, very tame. But the oldest was being cut out of a lot of social aspects in life because these kids don't call each other. You know, it's like you you say you wanted them to touch grass. You want them to go over each other's houses. You want them to call each other on the phone, FaceTime each other, have real relationships, not just do a Snapchat of this.
This is this is exactly that's how they communicate with each other. You're you're you're not even you know, it isn't even a snap. Hey. What are you doing today? I was working on my homework, but I have got some free time today. Do you wanna go out? Do you wanna come over and and play basketball or something like that? Their their their communication isn't even that complex. It literally is, like, packed seven, man. It it's a lot of six, seven. You know, I fucking hate the brain rot shit, but it's like visual it's visual brain rot. They're out somewhere. I could take a picture. This is it. This is this is this is 90% of the pictures on my oldest daughter's phone. It's her going, I I have bands sticking out the tongue because that's a thing that all these these kids wanna do is is that one. So you're not allowed to stick out your tongue.
But anyway, in fact, she she was being cut out of a lot of social aspects in in in her her little clique. Not getting invited to sleepovers, not getting invited to parties. Oh, we were gonna all go to this football game. Well, the number one child, whatever her name is, wasn't invited to a lot of these things because she didn't have Snap. So it's now we're opening up this door to Snap, and it takes a lot of fucking work Because the parental controls are good. Parental controls on iOS, they they they do function, but these kids are so savvy about getting around it. So it takes that active just at any time. That same thing we had in the marine corps. Somebody would bust into your your, your barracks room and say, open up your foot locker, open up your wall locker, let's see what you have inside.
So it's almost these these, snap inspections. Yo. Hand over your phone. Let's see what's going on. What are you talking about with your friends? And, you you know, often they have this expectation of privacy, but there is no expectation of privacy. You can have some privacy. And it's funny. He's like, why can't I have a graphene phone? You know, you you guys are all about privacy. Why can't I have that? And it's it's it's this dynamic of, well, it's it's, a benevolent dictatorship in our home, and as the older you get and further away from your home, the more freedom that you have. So it it's these these snap inspections on them discussing things. Hey. As stupid as when you stick your tongue out in a picture, that is is sexual, and I don't want you to stick your tongue out. Okay. Well, everyone else is well, here's here's my rationale for that. And if you and if you have that personality type of a child who can understand those kind of things and go, okay. I see what you're saying. You can believe them, but that doesn't necessarily that mean that the snap inspections go away just because they understand and believe because the social pull is so strong from their friends, and the desire to fit in is so strong from their friends.
So the parental controls are great, and I think they work work really well till you get to that age level where they're just as smart as you and way more savvy on how to use these apps. It it it it's like because we all come from a a community of very thoughtful people and mindful people and and intelligent folks, you know, more so than than the the the standard human being. So your kids are that smart too, and they're that savvy too. So that's that's really my recommendation is is you can have a lot of the mechanical freedom tech, a lot of the protocol freedom tech level, but it takes, active parenting and being the dick sometimes.
And you can't be afraid to be an asshole.
[00:55:47] Unknown:
That's where it's
[00:55:49] Unknown:
That was great. Yeah. Very very wise words. And I, I I thought I was feeling quietly confident about how I was gonna tackle managing a teenager, but now I feel like I've just been knocked down about five pegs.
[00:56:02] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. And and they'll knock you down about 50 pegs, q. Oh, yeah. You You know, it it's a constant
[00:56:09] Unknown:
challenge. I I am curious as as to how it was how did you how was it met when you first, like there must have been a tipping point where you're like, okay. You're old enough and responsible enough now that you can have a phone, but you're only having it with these restrictions in. Like, was was that enough for them to be like, okay. Well, I've got a phone at something, or was the you know, how did you navigate that?
[00:56:28] Unknown:
The the phone thing didn't happen until she was 13, and she was way behind the times as far as her peers went. You know, they were they may have been nine, 10 before they all had their own phones. So so she knew that there was a big barrier to entry, and that barrier to entry was our our judgment of on how mature she was and how long we've been preaching these messages about personal responsibility on you know, with that powerful tool. So it it's just a judgment call on on your part in in judging their maturity level and their understanding of why it was restricted in the first place. The Snapchat thing only happened about two months ago, and and remind her, she's almost the oldest one's almost 14.
She had to give a presentation. She gave a power and I'll send you guys this PowerPoint presentation in our private chat because you'll you'll get a kick out of it. She she put a lot of work into it. Justification for why I would like to have Snapchat for social reasons, and what I'm going to do to be responsible on on Snap. And this PowerPoint presentation was very well thought out and, you know, at at at one point, she's a pretty good public speaker. But at one point, she she got, like, a little a little misty in inside because we know that this is she knows that this is coming from a place of love.
So so she really hammered home the point that I'm going to be respectful of you guys, that I'm going to be respectful of myself and my family, and this is you know, I'm like a represent this is a representation of me and my family in in public. So I'll send I'll send you guys privately the the PowerPoint presentation. But it it she showed a lot of effort on her part and and a level of responsibility and understanding as to the the tool the power of the tool that she has been given to to wield for both good and bad. So after that presentation, my wife looked at each other, and we're like, okay. Alright. You you can have it. But we're still gonna be assholes.
[00:58:34] Unknown:
Nice. Okay. Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing that one. But, John, yeah, thanks so much for stopping by. You were, as as expected, an awesome addition. Provided, untold amounts of, wisdom even in the the brief ten minutes you're with us. So thank you for stopping by. I wish we could go on for for at least another thirty minutes, but I know, we've got a place to stay. Yeah. Thanks, John. And, yeah. Just wanna close out the show really with, hope you guys all enjoyed that. And, yeah, clearly, we don't have all the answers. I know I don't. And, although it seems like John does, which that was that was truly epic. I'm definitely gonna watch that back, prep maybe a few times over just to drive home some of the some of the points. But, yeah, that was a fun one. Something a little bit different, something, you know, every everybody's kinda navigating at their own their own pace and on their own time scale. But, I've definitely learned a few things particularly from John.
Max, Seth, any any final thoughts before we, before we close out?
[00:59:31] Unknown:
No. Just, thanks, dad. And, thanks everyone in the chat. That was a good one. And, again, this this is another one where I think, we could do another few hours on this, revisit this, because I think there was still some other stuff we could have covered, and, we'll continue this discussion. So anyone who, has any questions, reach out, and it might be a topic we go back into.
[00:59:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Likewise. Just, really, really good to hear from somebody who's further ahead of life and with than you, like, with kids that are older than you who's been through this. Like, absolutely love it. I need to have John back on, chat more family stuff in the future. If if you as a listener wanna hear more family topics, I think it's something that isn't as common in in at least our space. So definitely let us know if you wanna hear more of that, and, I think we could definitely tag in John for some more of those down the line.
[01:00:23] Unknown:
1000000%. Thanks everybody for stopping by. If you're catching up or after the fact on the podcast, thanks for listening. If you're a a nostrarian or whatever they call these days, apologies to stream Nostril. Yeah. Nostril. The, stream wasn't working on there for reasons I have no idea about, but, maybe we'll try and fix it next week along with the rumble. But, thanks for stopping by, guys, and we'll see you same time next week.
[01:00:47] Unknown:
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Hello, and welcome to Freedom Tech Friday. For those of you that are new here, allow me to briefly explain what this is all about and why the hell we are here. Freedom Tech Friday is a weekly live and interactive show hosted on the Ungovernable Misfits, ex, Nosta, YouTube, Rumble, and Twitch feeds. We go live for one hour every Friday at 9AM Eastern or 2PM UK time. But you can, of course, catch up later on the Ungovernable Misfits podcast feed. On Freedom Tech Friday, we like to cover the latest news and trends for anything relating to Freedom Technologies. That could be anything from Bitcoin or Monero, encrypted messengers, privacy tools, and everything in between.
Essentially, if there's a news item tool or topic that can help you take back some control in today's digital panopticon, we wanna talk about it. My name is Q and A and I'm head of customer experience here at Foundation, where we build Bitcoin focused sovereignty tools. And as always, I'm joined by my good friends, Max, the head honcho at the Ungovernable Misfits Empire, and Seth, who is VP over at K Wallet. As I mentioned, this show is live and interactive, and we rely on you guys to steer us towards the topics you want us to cover and to send them send us your Freedom Tech related questions that you want answering. There's loads of ways you can get involved, all of which really help spread awareness for the show. Commenting or asking questions in the live chat, submitting your topics ahead of time, boosting the show on fountain, sending questions or tips via, XMR chat, or just sharing the show on X or Nostra with your friends.
Top support for last week's show, about spending your SATs comes from Rev Huddl, who sent 721 SATs. It wasn't about spending your Sats. I'm talking rubbish. I haven't updated my notes. We were talking about layer twos, weren't we? Rev Huddl said that discussions like this remind me of how fast everything is really moving. In the present moment, there's so much that could be greatly improved, and the future seems like it will never arrive. All in all, the difference between what's available and what's possible now versus a few years ago is massive. Staying on the cutting edge seemingly offers the opportunity to live slightly in the future. I like that. Very eloquently, Paul. Well, thank you for your support, Rev Huddl.
And without further ado, let's dive into the show. Matt, Seth. How are you doing, gents?
[00:02:13] Unknown:
I'm not too bad, mate. A little bit, down, obviously, with everything that, the news that dropped yesterday. Our, our friends being attacked for giving freedom and privacy to people is, pretty sad to see, and thoughts go out to them and the families. And, it's just a stark reminder of why we do what we do, why we keep going with the show. And, you gotta keep standing up even if they keep attacking because these disgusting parasites do not want you to have freedom, and, people who stood up for it are now being put in a cage. So, somber way to start the show, but just thoughts go out to those guys. We'll cover it, in more detail on the Bitcoin brief.
But, yeah, love, to them and their families.
[00:03:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Likewise. Heavy heavy news to to speak out of. Obviously, we've got some some different stuff to cover today, but definitely gonna be, praying for the samurai wallet, guys. The second sentencing is on the nineteenth. It just got moved.
[00:03:23] Unknown:
So we'll we'll keep an eye out to see how that goes. Hopefully, that one will go slightly better, but, also, we can keep pushing for a a pardon for both of them that is is still possible.
[00:03:33] Unknown:
Mhmm. Obviously, I don't know if I could say I'm hopeful, but it's still possible. So we can keep pushing on that. Keep pushing on the tornado cache. What's that called?
[00:03:46] Unknown:
Man, I'm just The, the the the donations?
[00:03:49] Unknown:
Well, the donations and then that they're, appealing. Yeah. Appealing their their case and their sentence so far. So we can quickly keep pushing on that as well on a related
[00:03:58] Unknown:
related note. Do we have a date for the Roman storm stuff for the next hearing or or whatever it is?
[00:04:06] Unknown:
Not that I know of. I think it may be too early in the appeal process to have an actual date for, like, when they'll have a decision. But I know that the process has been started. I just I I don't know what kind of timeline that's on, though. Okay. Alright. Well, yeah. I mean, echo your thoughts, guys.
[00:04:21] Unknown:
Very sad day yesterday. It was, feeling pretty pretty dejected. Somebody who's, you know, been quite literally a freedom fighter for for years and helped shape many, ungovernables Bitcoin journeys. It's really sad to see how it's all kind of gone down. I guess you could say, you know, it could have been worse maybe, but I still doesn't feel good to say that given the the circumstances. So, yeah, Max and I will probably go a bit deeper on the, on the brief on Monday. Well, when we record on Monday, I should be out next Wednesday or Thursday. But, it would be, you know, we can't not mention it. So, anybody that's kind of affected and involved, obviously, you know, we we, you know, just feel a tiny degree of of your pain and, you know, we're with you as well.
[00:05:09] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:05:10] Unknown:
Okay. This week, we're gonna talk about something, quite literally close to home. That is FreedomTech for families and for kids. Today's kids are growing up basically online all the time, fully digital native. The you know, that range from, being at school, talking to their friends, gaming, basically, their entire lives, all kind of digitally connected. And while the Internet, I guess, opens up a lot of learning and creativity possibilities, it also brings a lot of risks that parents, maybe twenty years ago and before have never had to navigate. So it is kind of a a new, era that parenting is is walking through and how to to deal with this and how to protect our kids. So, yeah, basically, it's like an open question. How do we protect our kids without becoming kind of digital dictator?
Like, how can you balance that safety with them and privacy and, you know, just giving your kids some autonomy and some, you know, trusting in them as well. As always, we'll we're gonna dive into some tools, habits, maybe some mindsets, and educational pieces that we can do to to help families stay connected, informed, and, I guess, in control without kind of wrapping them in common while unlocking them out of the digit digital world. And I would say, you know, it's public knowledge that all three of us are are parents here. And we probably won't go into details of any more details than that. But, speaking personally, like, my my little one is not at an age where I've had to tackle this yet. I'm kind of just about getting into into this kind of field where it's starting to become, something that I'm thinking about.
We certainly absolutely not an expert. I haven't gone through this, but, I thought it was a very timely one, given our current circumstances to kind of shoot the share share some ideas, get some, topics from, from the the live chat as well. Welcome to to you guys. I thanks for stopping by. But I guess, yeah, to kind of open, open the the show and kind of frame the challenge, like, we we all we're we're all roughly a similar age, give or take. And, you know, we grew in a weird time really, I guess. It was, we probably remember pre Internet, but, you know, we we pretty much grew up with a computer in our home, I guess, would it would probably be be safe to say. And our kids are growing up in a very different, a different kind of era, I guess, where everything is much more connected.
So, like, how do you guys see this at a high level, guys? Like, you know, is this something you've gone through before? And do you have anything you can share? Or what, you know, what are your kind of opening thoughts on the topic of, like, kids, the Internet, and technology?
[00:08:02] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, I feel like I grew up kind of on the tail end of, like, the the free chill Internet side of things. So, there's definitely some some adjustment, but I don't think it's maybe as harsh as those people who are maybe a little bit older and have older kids who maybe you grew up before things kinda got insane. So for me, I think a lot of it a lot of it is figuring out, like, how do you actually teach them the why rather than just enforce technical restrictions? Because, like, I I I think about this a lot. Likewise, I have little ones that it's not it's not time yet to be thinking about this, but it's gonna happen a lot sooner than I would like, especially because they're they're gonna get exposed through friends and others to smartphones and other things that have just wide open network access.
And I've I know from experience that technical restrictions and not teaching the why does not does not work. It doesn't last. A lot of my early hacking and technical, expertise comes from my parents trying to enforce technical restrictions and me not being bought into the the idea of why they were there and finding ways around them. So I I I think a lot of it, like, a lot of it comes down to the philosophical and to the the culture of your family, making sure that everyone's on board of the why, not just being this, like, strict top down. We don't do that. Just you just need to accept that and and deal with it. But but rather kind of talking through the why, helping to find good ways to use Internet, and and onboarding them into a culture that is safe, but also, like, enjoys the the good things that we have thanks to technology, thanks to the Internet these days.
[00:09:48] Unknown:
Yeah. I think that's a good point. It's, like, teaching them the why because cutting kids off from anything just makes them wanna do it more. Like, the same with alcohol or things like that. Like, the Europeans who give their kids a little bit of wine with a family meal when they're younger, they're much less likely to once they hit, like, 16, 17, 18, go out and get absolutely battered with their friends because it's no longer, like, something they can't do. So I think that's the approach we're gonna take in our home is, like, they have access to technology, but trying to teach them how. And then a big, concern from day one has always been as well, like, with security, with cameras, with baby monitors, things like that, making sure that the only people that have access is us. And, you hear the sort of horror stories around things like that. So, yeah, lots to cover in this one. I think it's gonna be good.
[00:10:47] Unknown:
Yeah. I think just, like, one more quick thing to add to. Like, I think a lot of it comes down to principles that you can teach long before they're actually on the Internet using smartphones, etcetera. Like, just teaching about trust, who you can trust, who you can't trust, helping them to understand why you're careful with strangers. Like, it it all sounds like very rudimentary parenting stuff that everyone knows is a thing, but all those same concepts are really helpful to get, again, ingrained in the culture of your family really young so that when you get to the Internet, when you get to smartphones, when you get to your kids spending time with other kids who probably won't have the same restrictions if you do put any restrictions on digital access, they need to understand why, and then they need to to understand those safeguards. And that that stuff just starts really early. So I I think it just just calling out that this even if your kids aren't this age or even if you don't have kids yet, but you you think you will have kids to start thinking about this early so you have a clear have a clear game plan, and you don't kinda panic when suddenly your kids are Internet age and all their friends have smartphones, and you're like, oh, no. Like, what am I gonna do now? Start thinking about it and getting started.
[00:11:50] Unknown:
And you're sleep deprived and stressed and making bad decisions as a parent. It's better to do it do it before you have them.
[00:11:58] Unknown:
True. True.
[00:11:59] Unknown:
Yeah. I I think you both make great points there, and and education is one thing that I really wanna, kick us off with to to kind of deep dive into. But, before we do that, like, a personal experience of mine, like like and you said it really well, Max. Like, when you're you're sleep deprived and stressed, it can just feel like the really easy thing to do to be like, oh, you know, I don't go and watch YouTube or here's an iPad. You know, just give me an hour to sort myself out. And, like, I I something that I've done as a parent is is to really try and not fall into that trap because it is an easy trap to fall into and to kind of take the easy way out. And another thing that I've been very cognizant of is just, like, when I'm just going around the house and and I'm not working and we're just spending some family time together is to make sure that my phone's not in reach, and it's not or even if it's kind of the the other side of the room, it's not pinging. And I'm not demonstrating that I am as much of a slave to that device as I really truly am. So I try and kind of distance myself from it so that, you know, my kid doesn't grow up thinking it's the norm that somebody's got a they glued to a device all the time. And hopefully, I'm thinking that that's gonna pay dividend in when when they get a bit older to be, you know, not expect the exact same thing themselves as well to be like, well, you know, you and mommy, are always glued to your phone. So why can't I have one? Like, that's a very difficult question to to to kind of come back from and to kind of be able to to explain, really. So I don't know whether you guys in your whether you're able to share anything, whether you do anything similar, or whether you've got friends and family who've who've deployed stuff like that that you think has worked really well, or or maybe the opposite end of the spectrum where you think it's gone disastrously and you're like, oh, shit. I'll make sure I don't do that.
[00:13:45] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, a key one for us, like you said, is that, like, not sitting on your your screens the whole time your kids are around. It is really, really hard. I will not I will not say that that is easy. It's especially difficult when you have a job you love and you have social media platforms that you love and you you're actually, like, using for good things. It's very hard to to put those down. But kids, especially when they're young, they learn by mimicking you. And if they see you on your phone all the time, they will wanna be on your phone all the time. They'll wanna have their phone immediately. It really does, again, just kinda set the culture and set the standard for your family. So, like, I mean, again, it sounds really rudimentary, but, like, for us, a a strict rule is our time around the table is really important family time for us. Like, I'm privileged enough to to work from home and be able to do all three meals with my family. So we have a very simple no phones at the table rule, and, our our oldest will help us enforce it. So if he sees that that any of us are on our phone or I'm trying to keep up with with messages or something and I forget the rule, he'll he'll walk around the table, grab my phone, set it on the kitchen counter, and say, no phones at the table, dad. He'll he'll keep me honest. So sometimes your kids are are better at this than, than you are.
[00:14:57] Unknown:
How about that? What about you, Max? Any any friends or family members or stuff that you've seen kind of go disastrously in this field or stuff that's worked really well?
[00:15:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I've definitely seen people who, to your first point, rely on, like, TV, YouTube, stuff like that way too much. And we were definitely worse for it, back in The UK just because the weather is always so disgustingly miserable, and you can't go outside. You're out of getting mud Can't confirm. Wet and and even if you do go outside, you might get stabbed. So we spent more time inside, and, that was something that, yeah, we've we've pretty much cut out, but you sometimes have to revert to it. But it's it's also, like, what are they watching? Like, half the stuff, you know, half of it is just like crack for kids. Like, this, what's it called? The coco melon thing. Have you seen that thing? Yeah. I was gonna mention. Yep.
It's fucking hideous, and I see so many people who just their kids are glued to it for hours on end, and I'm like, this cannot be good. So, we get the, you know, the sort of like Scarface and things like that on for us. It's it's much, much more wholesome content.
[00:16:14] Unknown:
Nice. I I only hope you're joking there. That's yeah. That that makes me think of it. Yeah. Bitcoin veterans have said, CocaMelon is demonic. Yeah. Some of the noises that come out of that thing are quite literally demonic. I'm glad you mentioned that actually because, like, I'm thinking that we've talked briefly about education and and Sanit kind of touched on the aspect of, like, content moderation. And do you think there's a, like, a tipping point of where I think content moderation and just prevention of using, like, an iPad or, you know, not giving a four year old a phone or not letting them watch TV for six hours a day? I think prevention for me is is, like, easier when the kids are younger because they don't have all of those social pressures and they don't, you know, they're not as, advanced mentally to want us to go on the Internet and, I don't know, go on, you know, do Snapchat and things like that because they they don't have those social networks built up yet.
So what what do you think there's, like well, do you agree with me first and foremost? And then follow-up question would be, do you think there's, like, a tipping point as to when it then needs to become an educational piece because they're just being exposed to to much more, and they're being you know, they wanna kinda spread their wings.
[00:17:31] Unknown:
Yeah. For me, I'm, like you said, when they're young, it's easier to, like, withhold certain things that you know will just be damaging. But it's also really essential to do so. Like, when we're talking kids, like, three, four, five, six, they don't have impulse control. Like, biologically, they don't they don't have that yet. They they don't have fully developed the ability to actually, like, stop doing something because they know that they should. And so you you have to essentially act as that safeguard and keep them from things like coco melon that are are literally designed to keep their attention no matter what and to make it impossible for them to look away. Like, they spend many, many dollars, a lot of time, tons of research, making sure that these things, Cocomelon and and there are many other examples of this, are, like, unable to be turned away from by your kids.
And and at the age that most kids are watching that, they just they literally have no control over that. So that's where you step in as the parent. But I I think also, like, this this comes back to helping them understand, like, TV and movies and shows. Like, those will always be there. Like, those don't go away, especially because we're out of the age of live TV where if you don't catch it at that moment, you'll never see it again. Like, this stuff is always accessible. The things that aren't accessible are like that time with your friends in person, the your neighbor down the street who's playing on the playground that you can go play with right then. Like, those are the things that you can't get back. Those immediate, like, in person moments of joy and experiences, those are the things that can never happen again. Whereas whatever your favorite TV show is, Bluey or something like that, it's always there. Later on, when everyone's in bed or when, when it's too cold to play outside or something, you can always have that as something you can enjoy, but just kinda, like, teaching me. Like, that is it's not a bad thing necessarily, but it's not the best thing most of the time. And, like, helping them to understand, like, you should value those in person relationship. You should value value that neighbor down the street. Like, those things are way more important and starting to teach that early, but especially when they're really on. Like, you you have to kind of you have to be their safety net because they they biologically and psychologically can't do that in the same way that you can as an adult.
[00:19:40] Unknown:
Busyness as well is my last point on this is, like, it's hard to to keep your kids busy if you are busy yourself. You've got work. You've got other responsibilities in cleaning and do all the shit that you gotta do as an adult. But if you can keep them busy physically, especially, in, like, sports clubs and, like, going and doing active stuff, like, after school, whether that's, you know, playing football or, like, whatever it is, that, I think, helps quite a lot because when they're just bored and sitting around is when they're gonna sort of, like, cause trouble and mess around just because they're bored and they've got all this extra energy. That's when a lot of people would just turn on the TV or give them an iPad or something like that. So just, like, somehow finding a way, even if it's, like, working with other parents who they can be friends with to go and do stuff and share the responsibility of, like, keeping them active, I think is a massive one. At least we found that.
[00:20:39] Unknown:
Yeah. I do I know we're kinda going on a tangent here, but I I do wanna to touch on that a little bit. I think two things that that we found are really helpful are, one, like, put them to work a lot younger than you think. Like, having them help around the house, helping them do little chores. It's really, really good. It wears them out. It challenges them. It teaches them good work ethic really young. Like, obviously, you're not working on, like, slaves or something. Like, it's just little things here and there, but that's a really useful tool to help them to, like, get out extra energy and get out extra mental energy as well. But, also, like, something I think that's important to teach that used to just be the norm is, like, boredom is good. Like, having times where you're bored and you don't have something occupying your attention is actually really, really important for your brain. It's really important for creativity.
It's really important for so much of, like, what used to be the norm in society. Like, you used to have a lot of boredom, and that was when a lot of things got created. That was when a lot of inventions happened. That was when a lot of, fun experiences happened. Like, you were bored, and so you figured out something to do, and you you made new things. You came up with new ideas. You made new friends. And so, like, that's another thing you can teach is, like, this age is an age where people don't ever want to be bored. Like, if their attention isn't grabbed by something, it's like, what the hell am I gonna do? But, no, it's actually that's really good for you to be bored sometimes.
[00:22:02] Unknown:
Absolutely. Cosign all of that sort of stuff, guys, and, very well well said. I've taken a few tidbits away from that as well. That's, very useful, namely, child slave labor. So thanks for that, Seth.
[00:22:16] Unknown:
And to clip it.
[00:22:17] Unknown:
Yeah. That's that's the clip show sorted. Seth is a slave, child slave labor driver. Education. We we you know, it goes without saying that educating your kids around, like, safe usage of the Internet and social media and things like that is is an obvious thing that most parents are gonna wanna do, but it feels like a very, very tricky one to navigate. And, again, I'm gonna hold my hands and say I haven't gone through this yet. My my kid's too young, but it's something that I'm wrestling with to be like, how how do you teach somebody so young and so innocent that they're you know, this Internet thing, whilst it can very much enrich your life and provide you with untold amounts of, freedom and, education, and you can learn so much from it, but also, like, there's very, very distaste for people out there that will try and manipulate you for their own gain, etcetera. Like, that feels like a scary conversation to have with, you know, a a young child that's never been exposed to that. I don't know whether you guys have kind of wrestled with that or had to go through that. And and, you know, if you've got any tips or tricks that would be kind of useful to not only me, but to the audience to be like, you know, how do you think about this sort of stuff? Because it's not a conversation that I'm kind of, looking forward to having and and doing in such a way that, you know, a four, five, six year old can can understand and actually think that I'm not just talking complete bullshit.
[00:23:44] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm not there yet personally either.
[00:23:48] Unknown:
I mean, I'm not really there yet either. Like, obviously, we all have only younger kids. It's it's clear. But I think, again, this, unfortunately, starts a lot earlier than you think it would. Like, just the the broken world that we live in. Like, there are a lot of a lot of sketchy people out there. And as people get online and as there's more avenues for kids to get online earlier than you think, Like, it is something that needs to happen earlier. And and, like, again, very simply, like, the way we think about it and talk about it is, like, we we should be kind to everyone, but we shouldn't trust anyone immediately.
So, like, teaching them you should you should never be close enough for a stranger to touch you. Just, like, generally touch. I'm not talking anything more than that, but just generally touch. You only you only get close to adults that that are trusted adults. Talking to them about, like, you can say hi, that sort of thing, but you don't talk to to strangers, especially adults when they're not with you. Like, it it's all kind of the it starts with the normal stranger danger stuff, but like I'm like I'm saying, that starts before the digital. You first talk about the physical and you talk about that kind of safety. And then I think when you kind of have that established, you can expand that into the digital of, like, hey. There's gonna be crazy people online.
You're gonna have to deal with it and learn to deal with that. Here's some some good things you can do. And I think just, like, trying to have a culture of of openness and honesty and your kids being able to come to you and say, hey. Like, there was something really weird today. I wanna talk about it even if maybe I feel a little bit weird about it or maybe your your kid feels a little bit ashamed about something that someone else said or, like, having that culture of openness, I think, is really, really, important. It's
[00:25:33] Unknown:
John, I've just seen your, message in the chat. Check your Telegram. There's a link there if you wanna join us. You're more than welcome to. I know you got some awesome takes on this that we've been talking about in the background. So please, feel free to join if you're not, you know, in the middle of nowhere doing awesome shit as always.
[00:25:49] Unknown:
He will be. He'll be in the middle of nowhere, but he might just he might just join, trim up some telegraph poll or something.
[00:25:57] Unknown:
That would be, yeah, FreedomTech Friday live from a telegraph poll. That would be pretty cool. What about you, Max? I I know you you mentioned that, you know, it's you're probably in a similar position to me really where, you haven't kind of had to go through the educational piece just yet. Is that fair to say?
[00:26:13] Unknown:
Yeah. I I haven't, but I I've spoken to John. If he does join, he'll be answering things in detail, but I've spoken a lot to him. He has older kids and, battles with this. But, the synopsis of what he'll kind of say is you have to just be a hard ass. Like, when the kids get older and they can speak for themselves and they have their own ideas and their friends are doing things, like, sometimes you just have to be the hard headed, like, uncool parent and not allow the kind of, like, social pressure that, oh, well, every other kid is allowed to have an iPhone when they're nine or whatever. And, like, you have to say, well, you're not we don't do that in this family, and it's for your safety. And if they throw a wobbly about it or, like, you know, have a go at you about it, it's not your job just to be their friend.
You're there to protect them as number one and and guide them. So I I think, like, from speaking to him, that's something that I'm preparing myself for is, like, having times where my kids are annoyed with me and and just accept that because it's for their own good.
[00:27:30] Unknown:
It's gonna be something that I'm gonna find very difficult. Like, I I have I have absolutely no qualms in just saying no and being the bad guy because I know it's for for their their good. But, like, when they're you know, if they ever come back and I I think John used an example of, you know, he was he was playing hardball and, you know, didn't give him a phone or or weren't they weren't allowed certain apps or something like that. I can't remember the specifics, but he was it was it was a prevention kind of, that he was taking, or angle that he was taking. And, it gonna become difficult for me. I just know that when my little one says, look, you know, all my friends have this this phone or all my friends have this app, and this is where we coordinate all of our friendship stuff, and I'm now missing out. That's gonna be very difficult for me. And I, again, I don't know how I'm gonna tackle that because I still may feel that they're not at the kind of right age to interact with that app or have that phone or something like that. So I guess, yeah, there ultimately is no right or wrong answer. You can either kind of, I guess Get them back to work is what Seth does. Yeah. If he says, listen. Exactly.
[00:28:37] Unknown:
Where's that dinner? I told you I wanted it on the table at 06:00. Work now.
[00:28:43] Unknown:
You can have a phone once you earn your freedom.
[00:28:45] Unknown:
Exactly. Yeah. That's the best way. Well, may maybe John would join us on this, but, yeah. We're I think that that's the sort of the basics of it. And then, past past that, like, past the, like, social stuff and, like, how we conduct ourselves as parents, I think, it's like, well, how do we give some access to tech? And you don't wanna cut it completely out of their lives because it's so powerful, but, like, how do we use it in the best way to give them as much freedom as we possibly can without without exposing them to the risks. And there are massive risks now. Like, it's it genuinely scares the shit out of me. Like, it is really, really terrifying if you just go, here you are. Here's a device. Here's Internet access. Go wild.
[00:29:39] Unknown:
It's a tough one, isn't it? And I think as they get older and more headstrong, and that kind of I don't know about you guys, but, like, when I was in my teens and things like that, like, being, obviously, it wasn't Snapchat or anything like that way back when it was more like s m MSN Messenger and things like that. But it felt like the most important thing in the world for me to be connected with my friends at all times, like, and be in in the in groups and to be up to speed with the latest goings on. And now, like, my phone rings and I'm just like, oh, fuck off. Like, another Telegram chat goes off or another signal chat goes off. It's like such a such a, I guess, a flip reverse. But, like, when you're that age and you're going through high school, particularly where you're kind of finding your feet as a young adult, like, that can feel like the most important thing in the world. And, yeah, I just know there's gonna be some difficult conversations to to be had to, you know, get the find that balance really between, you know, having your kid not glued to a phone, or or a device or something like that, but also not kind of excluding them from the the kind of social circles. Because, like, if all of their friends have x, y, or zed, like, it's it's difficult to just to you know what I mean? To just be so no, basically.
I don't know if there is a middle ground or whether you just have to kind of pick a side and be happy with it. I guess that could be a good segue actually in terms of finding a middle ground. Like, particularly as your kids get older and they get more headstrong and they get more tech savvy, like physical controls, maybe like a built in app controls. Like, I know Apple and Google have their own version of kind of parental controls that, again, I've never, kind of had any dealings with just yet. My kids are too young, but I know that these platforms allow you to basically control most of what your kids can do, be it at a very high level in terms of what apps they're gonna store, preventing, you know, app store purchases, or limiting specific time spent on certain apps? Like, how do you guys feel about that when you get to that position to, like, do you think that that's something that you're gonna gonna leverage? Or do you think that that's kind of not the the way forward, and and why would that be?
[00:31:57] Unknown:
Before Seth jumps into this, because he'll have the sort of good info on this, I just thought as you said it, I'm planning this for a fair few years ahead. And one thing that we can't really be sure of is where things go. Like, things have evolved so quickly with the Internet and with connectivity and everything else. You know, four, five, six, seven years from now where it, like, becomes really important for me is, like, fuck knows. I don't know what's what things are gonna look like. I don't know what, like, kids all doing their Snapchats and all this kind of stuff. Like, where is it in ten years? So to some degree, you can sort of do the planning, but maybe not that far ahead.
Like, how are they gonna get around all this stuff?
[00:32:43] Unknown:
Yeah. I think a lot of that is where it does come down to these, like, these more generic solutions. Like, not thinking specific on, like, okay. TikTok is the plague right now. How do I block them from using TikTok only? But, like, the the more broad controls Apple and Google have, I think, are are quite useful. I I think this is yet another arena where, like, Apple is gonna be way better for many reasons than Google would. Like, I would never wanna hand my kid a stock Google OS phone, but that would be the only way I'd have the same controls as I could have on Apple to set usage limits to to schedule downtime.
Because you you as far as I understand it, you couldn't do that on something like graphene OS where you could on an iPhone. And, honestly, iPhones aren't aren't that bad for privacy these days either. Obviously, an open source, so there are downsides. But I think that is where these, like, general restrictions come in, but it's also another really good place where we can model this for our kids. Like, I use screen time app usage limits on my my phone, and having that, like, maybe showing our kids, like, hey. This is how I have this set up because, like, I I really struggle. Twitter can really absorb me. I can get sucked into it and get sucked into debates. So I have to set really strict limits so that I don't spend all my time doom scrolling or all my time yelling at people about spam on the blockchain. Like, you can model this for your kids too and use all the same tools.
So I I think that's a lot of the the place where this starts, especially again when they're younger, teaching them the the why so they see, like, okay. Dad does this. Like, it's not just him, like, having full access and doing whatever he wants and then me having all the restrictions. It's like dad actually does this too because he understands these downsides. So I think that's another another way that we can really model this for our kids. But those, like, the the restrictions that you can do both with Apple and Google depending on exactly this what setup you have are really, really useful. And on mobile, it's gonna be much, much, much harder to to work around, any restrictions that you put in place than it would be on a on a laptop or desktop.
[00:34:56] Unknown:
Yeah. I I'm, I agree with you there, Seth. I think the Apple kind of implementation of that, I'm sure is probably gonna be be much slicker. And I I think, you know, maybe that might be the the route I take when the when the time is right, perhaps. But it's funny you mentioned GrapheneOS actually that when I kind of opened the floor there for you two to to answer some questions, I was just thinking I can literally just imagine my little one being like, when she gets tech savvy enough to be like, well, Doug, why have you got a Grafino s phone that's nice and private, but I've gotta have this one so that you can control what I'm doing on it? And I'm like, yeah. It'd be a difficult question to answer. But again, it comes full circle again to what you just said, Seth, around, like, education piece and setting a good example, basically. It's kind of I don't know. It's just that seems to be, for me, the best way to to set to lay, like, a really strong foundation so that you don't need to lean as much on all of these prevention tactics.
They just, on their own, make the right decisions. And, you know, I I think that that would be quite well intentioned, but I think when the allure, as particular as you get older, the allure of, like you know, we we all get sucked into Twitter doomscall holes or, you know, if you if you're an Instagram user, I'm sure that it's the same. Like, I'm sure as a as a young developing mind, like, that pull and that dopamine rush is even stronger. So not saying it's gonna be gonna be easy, but, yeah, setting a good example seems to be the the kind of obvious one, really. Max, kind of wanna bring you in here. You got any any thoughts or anything to add here?
[00:36:29] Unknown:
Not really. I don't think so.
[00:36:32] Unknown:
So we talked about, like, operating system level kind of prevention or monitoring. I what about a network level? Like, most of the time, the kids are gonna be on, their devices at home, particularly if they're younger. Like, do you think there's any merit to having, like, router level blockages where you can cut off a certain device at a certain time? I guess on the surface of it, you could probably achieve that from what we've just talked about with, the operating system level maybe. But is there any, like, additional stuff where, I guess, maybe you could block certain websites perhaps? Restriction.
[00:37:12] Unknown:
Go on, man. Yeah. I would what I would say if you I'm sure you can do this. It's like do, like, age restriction for content, do, certain website blocks, and things like that, would probably be a good idea. But then, you know, it depends what device they have because if they've got a three g enabled device and it's not on the device, but it is on router level, then it's like, okay. Well, that's fine. It's only when it's at home. That's doesn't really fix the issue. So if it the device level stuff would be best and then router level on top maybe.
[00:37:47] Unknown:
For, somewhat of a or the most networking savvy amongst the three of us, what's, what's your take here? Any any benefits to kind of doing stuff at a root level that you can't achieve elsewhere?
[00:37:59] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, I would also kind of expand it past router level. Like, router level is the easy way well, let me take a step back. So DNS, like, specifically DNS where you're able to block specific things, is an incredibly useful tool. Like, kids or no kids is just something everyone should be using, because using a better DNS provider that lets you block ads, that lets you block tracking, is just kind of like a it's an absolute win win. So you should be using this no matter what. Like, even if you're not gonna have kids, it it doesn't matter. They're they're really good solutions here. Next DNS is my favorite.
You can self host your own with Pi Hole. There's some other options as well. But, essentially, what this lets you do is that when a device that's on that network or a device that is using that DNS provider, like something like NextDNS, you can use on all your devices even when you're out and about. It doesn't it doesn't have to be basically, well, any DNS that is reachable from the Internet, you can use on any device. It doesn't have to be at home or on your on your router or anything like that. It essentially, when your device says, hey. I want to go to, let's say, pornhub.com, the DNS will just say, oh, there's no IP address for that, and it'll sync all it and basically tell your device there's nowhere you can go to to reach that d that domain name, and make it so that there's basically no way to reach that unless you change the DNS.
So it's a really vital tool. It's super simple to deploy and use. You just set DNS, and you move on with your life. And, the the one callout I'll make, though, is that at least without tighter device controls, DNS is one of the easier things to change and work around. That will depend on the platform. Like on iOS, they would have to have, higher privileges to be able to remove the profile that you would set DNS in. But, on, like, laptops or desktops, a lot of times there's no way to restrict someone from changing the DNS. So it can be quite easy to to get around.
But it's a really good, like, just low hanging fruit way to improve your online experience no matter what. Again, you should be using this whether you have kids or not, if only for the ad blocking and the, the tracker blocking aspect of this. Like, NextDNS has prebuilt list that'll even, like, block smart home device analytics. They know the the domains that they're reaching out to, and they'll automatically block those as well. So there's a lot of benefits here, but it it is it is something where it's not just your home network. You can deploy it on your home network, on your router so that any device that connects automatically gets that DNS. But you can also put it on devices themselves so that even when you're out and about using a VPN, whatever, you're using that DNS and getting those, those block lists as a part of that. So it's it's kind of like a first step. You'll probably need more controls beyond that, but it's a a first step that's really, really useful and gives you a lot of other advantages rather than just blocking, bad sites or blocking specific apps, that sort of thing.
[00:40:50] Unknown:
Yeah. On on this, Bonnie is asking, is self hosted AdGuard home as good as the others? I can't answer that one, unfortunately.
[00:41:00] Unknown:
It can be. As with anything with self hosting, it depends. Would you rather pay with your time or pay with your money? Setting it up and using it isn't that difficult, but a lot of the, like, list management and knowing what list to use, that sort of thing, just can be a little bit, like, irksome. Plus, if it's not if it's not necessarily easy to reach or, like, when you're not at home or if it goes down and if your wife is trying to reach something to buy something that gets blocked by it because of tracker links, which can easily happen with these things. It can just be a lot more painful. So I lean towards not self hosting this.
And so I've used Next DNS for many years and and really appreciate it. It's much more plug and play, much more simple, easier to deploy on lots of different devices because they have clients that you can install, like, directly on most routers, that will set it as well, and will do things like DNS over HTTPS so that you have encrypted DNS. There it makes a lot of the setup easier, but that's not to say you can't do the same things with the self hosted options. It can be really good if you're gonna spend the time to set it up.
[00:42:07] Unknown:
Yeah. As with all, all things self hosted. Alright. Okay. We've, we've talked about education. Very important. We've talked about various different ways that you can, you know, again, essentially, essentially, it boils down to prevention. You know, could be OS level, could be router level, could be simply, no. You're not having a phone because you're five years old. But the the Internet for all its faults is a very, or can be a wonderful place in terms of boosting creativity, you know, getting a very strong education in a specific topic. Like, have you guys, used anything? Might be an app. It might be a website with your younger kids that you think is is worth a mention here to be like, well, actually, I don't mind if they spend some time on this app or website because the benefits far outweigh the fact that they might be looking at a screen for an hour.
I'm trying to think, you know, YouTube, I I guess, for me personally, like, in in used in the in a supervised environment, particularly for younger kids, can be a great educational tool. Not only for my little kid, but for me personally. Like, I've learned loads of shit from YouTube. Could be, like, DIY stuff. Could be, you know, how to change a wheel on a car or something like that. Like and there's been very similar kind of, albeit different topics, but applicable things that my little one has learned. And she comes out, she'll watch the video, and she'll, like, say something to me that I know I haven't taught her. And and I'll be like, holy shit. Like, where did you hear that? She's like, oh, yeah. I saw it on a YouTube video. And it might be, like, something to do with farming or something like that. And I'm like, do you know what? Actually, like, she's learned something there. Like, that's a really thing. So have you guys got any any apps or websites where you found have actually been really beneficial?
[00:43:52] Unknown:
Only two things. One is we've got this little, like, laptop thing. It's like a kid's laptop where it teaches them about letters and numbers, but it's like games that they play with the keyboard to, like, learn about them. And because I just has nothing else than these couple of programs that it runs. That's quite good. And then she really fucking winds me up, but I don't mind miss Rachel, if you know who that is. Like, she does all these, like, she wears these stupid dungarees, and she does, like, songs and stuff. But generally, like, they're learning about, again, like, letters and numbers and, like, words and, like, things like that. So I don't mind that one. Like, if if they have to sit in front of that for half an hour or something, I'm I'm not too bothered by it. Someone's gonna reach out and be like, oh, yeah. She's a demon or something, but she seems alright to me. She doesn't seem like a demon.
[00:44:48] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, yet again, it it comes down to balance. But there are fantastic tools, I think, especially for those that that plan on homeschooling. Like, there's fantastic stuff online that you can use for teaching your kids. Like, just like always, the Internet can be an absolutely amazing tool. Like, it can be so so useful and so good, and teaching people teaching your kids about the good on the Internet is also, like, really useful. Like, if we're constantly railing, it's the Internet and Internet bad, like, guess what your kids are gonna do? Like, they're gonna wanna explore the Internet, figure out, like, why does why does my dad hate the Internet so much? It's the same thing that always happens when we are constantly talking about how evil something is, but we don't again explain, like, that there's there is good that like, what the balance is, like, what using it responsibly can look like. There are really good things. I mean, like, specifics, I don't really have any past, like you said, good educational YouTube videos, like, documentaries. I think some someones that, my kids love are the the planet Earth and blue planet, movies.
They're just fantastic. Doesn't look beautiful. They're really well done. Like, that sort of thing, like, I I have no problems with that and doing that a little bit extra than we would normally do screen time for sure. But yeah.
[00:46:06] Unknown:
John, I see you joined the green room, but your camera's on, and I can't figure out how to turn off. So if you wanna flick that off, and then I'll add you in. Unless you're happy to come in on camera.
[00:46:19] Unknown:
Don't do that. Don't do that for the audience's sake.
[00:46:22] Unknown:
There's probably gonna be a bit of a delay for him to pick up our audio as well, so let's give him a a a few, few moments. But, before we bring him in, guys, anything else that we haven't talked about regarding, like, freedom tech families and and kids and stuff that we haven't covered off? For me, it's just it's just a a tricky one to kind of, to navigate. But go on, Max.
[00:46:45] Unknown:
I was just gonna say the the big one and one that we put into practice is, for the child monitors. I think that's a really important one, especially Like like baby monitor, you mean? Yeah. Baby monitors. Like, you know, the last thing you want is a baby monitor being accessed or, like, open to the Internet. And so I think it was UQ who who said to me, well, just don't have a Wi Fi enabled one. That's, like, the most simple, fix for this. And that's something that we implemented, and it it put my mind at ease quite a lot, because that is obviously not something you want someone to have access to.
[00:47:25] Unknown:
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[00:47:28] Unknown:
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[00:47:30] Unknown:
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[00:47:48] Unknown:
the You should you can come over it.
[00:47:50] Unknown:
Samurai and Ronin Dojo. Yeah. That's right. Old school. That was one of our first ones. Seth is saying a a a lot of great things like the family time stuff, the the talking with your kids. For the Freedom Tech thing, and and I said this in our private chat when when you guys asked about it, is it's like no matter what FreedomTech you put in front of these kids, they're gonna figure out a way around it. Like, they're so dogged about getting on these things and bypassing your your your, your roadblocks that you have on there for them. For instance, the phone. So our oldest one is the only one with a phone. And I've got a lot of protocols on there, screen time, you know, nothing after 08:00, nothing before they, like, get on the bus in the morning.
You can have music anytime. You can have notes anytime. That kind of stuff. But what they end up doing ever so often is just going to another device in the house. So I told them, alright. Your YouTube limits are this. And then there they are on the the the family TV watching YouTube. There they are on the computer in in the office, which is really just dedicated just to the jukebox in in the PlebMiner group. They're so savvy about figuring out workarounds, screen times. So they'll do a screen time request, and then they'll steal Sarah's, iPad and approve the request on her iPad.
So you'll see the request come across and you go, oh, already approved. Wait a minute. Sarah's not at home. How how did that get approved? So I I I think, like, depending on these depending on these apps to be foolproof is is kind of a fool's errand. You really have to stay on top of it. And and the biggest thing, like Seth was saying, is is that family time because that gives you the opportunity to bring up the things that that that you want to to speak with them about. And the personalities are so different. So I can tell, you know, my oldest kid who's who's almost 14 now anything because she really she's like a dad fan.
You know, what what I say is so important to her, and she internalizes it. She thinks about it. So when we we talk about predators on the Internet and and why she can't have TikTok and why her Snapchat is so limited and why she can't have a lot of these things. And it's really because of of the predators that not everybody is a nice guy. This community that you lived in, this social group that your family has created for you to exist around is not necessarily a representation of the real world. So you have to have these constant conversations with them. And and the biggest thing that I I wanted to to mention to you guys is so you can say, alright. Snapchat's evil.
TikTok is evil. Just just pick pick, pick an app that you guys hate, and you say, well, my kid's never gonna have access to it. Or YouTube, for instance. Yeah. There's a lot of great, educational resources on YouTube. So I'm gonna give them access to YouTube. But then they'll tune their algorithm to some stupid ass shit. So now the power of YouTube and and the resources the great resources that you have on there aren't available to them simply because it's not being suggested to them. They have they have to actively go out and find it. So I I just wanna tell the Snapchat story because I I think that's that's really gonna be indicative of everybody's experience as they start to release different apps to your child for utility's sake.
The oldest one was only allowed to communicate with her friends via Messenger, Facebook Messenger, and that's something that Sarah could check-in because it was through her account so she could see all of the kids' messages. And and that was very, very tame. But the oldest was being cut out of a lot of social aspects in life because these kids don't call each other. You know, it's like you you say you wanted them to touch grass. You want them to go over each other's houses. You want them to call each other on the phone, FaceTime each other, have real relationships, not just do a Snapchat of this.
This is this is exactly that's how they communicate with each other. You're you're you're not even you know, it isn't even a snap. Hey. What are you doing today? I was working on my homework, but I have got some free time today. Do you wanna go out? Do you wanna come over and and play basketball or something like that? Their their their communication isn't even that complex. It literally is, like, packed seven, man. It it's a lot of six, seven. You know, I fucking hate the brain rot shit, but it's like visual it's visual brain rot. They're out somewhere. I could take a picture. This is it. This is this is this is 90% of the pictures on my oldest daughter's phone. It's her going, I I have bands sticking out the tongue because that's a thing that all these these kids wanna do is is that one. So you're not allowed to stick out your tongue.
But anyway, in fact, she she was being cut out of a lot of social aspects in in in her her little clique. Not getting invited to sleepovers, not getting invited to parties. Oh, we were gonna all go to this football game. Well, the number one child, whatever her name is, wasn't invited to a lot of these things because she didn't have Snap. So it's now we're opening up this door to Snap, and it takes a lot of fucking work Because the parental controls are good. Parental controls on iOS, they they they do function, but these kids are so savvy about getting around it. So it takes that active just at any time. That same thing we had in the marine corps. Somebody would bust into your your, your barracks room and say, open up your foot locker, open up your wall locker, let's see what you have inside.
So it's almost these these, snap inspections. Yo. Hand over your phone. Let's see what's going on. What are you talking about with your friends? And, you you know, often they have this expectation of privacy, but there is no expectation of privacy. You can have some privacy. And it's funny. He's like, why can't I have a graphene phone? You know, you you guys are all about privacy. Why can't I have that? And it's it's it's this dynamic of, well, it's it's, a benevolent dictatorship in our home, and as the older you get and further away from your home, the more freedom that you have. So it it's these these snap inspections on them discussing things. Hey. As stupid as when you stick your tongue out in a picture, that is is sexual, and I don't want you to stick your tongue out. Okay. Well, everyone else is well, here's here's my rationale for that. And if you and if you have that personality type of a child who can understand those kind of things and go, okay. I see what you're saying. You can believe them, but that doesn't necessarily that mean that the snap inspections go away just because they understand and believe because the social pull is so strong from their friends, and the desire to fit in is so strong from their friends.
So the parental controls are great, and I think they work work really well till you get to that age level where they're just as smart as you and way more savvy on how to use these apps. It it it it's like because we all come from a a community of very thoughtful people and mindful people and and intelligent folks, you know, more so than than the the the standard human being. So your kids are that smart too, and they're that savvy too. So that's that's really my recommendation is is you can have a lot of the mechanical freedom tech, a lot of the protocol freedom tech level, but it takes, active parenting and being the dick sometimes.
And you can't be afraid to be an asshole.
[00:55:47] Unknown:
That's where it's
[00:55:49] Unknown:
That was great. Yeah. Very very wise words. And I, I I thought I was feeling quietly confident about how I was gonna tackle managing a teenager, but now I feel like I've just been knocked down about five pegs.
[00:56:02] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. And and they'll knock you down about 50 pegs, q. Oh, yeah. You You know, it it's a constant
[00:56:09] Unknown:
challenge. I I am curious as as to how it was how did you how was it met when you first, like there must have been a tipping point where you're like, okay. You're old enough and responsible enough now that you can have a phone, but you're only having it with these restrictions in. Like, was was that enough for them to be like, okay. Well, I've got a phone at something, or was the you know, how did you navigate that?
[00:56:28] Unknown:
The the phone thing didn't happen until she was 13, and she was way behind the times as far as her peers went. You know, they were they may have been nine, 10 before they all had their own phones. So so she knew that there was a big barrier to entry, and that barrier to entry was our our judgment of on how mature she was and how long we've been preaching these messages about personal responsibility on you know, with that powerful tool. So it it's just a judgment call on on your part in in judging their maturity level and their understanding of why it was restricted in the first place. The Snapchat thing only happened about two months ago, and and remind her, she's almost the oldest one's almost 14.
She had to give a presentation. She gave a power and I'll send you guys this PowerPoint presentation in our private chat because you'll you'll get a kick out of it. She she put a lot of work into it. Justification for why I would like to have Snapchat for social reasons, and what I'm going to do to be responsible on on Snap. And this PowerPoint presentation was very well thought out and, you know, at at at one point, she's a pretty good public speaker. But at one point, she she got, like, a little a little misty in inside because we know that this is she knows that this is coming from a place of love.
So so she really hammered home the point that I'm going to be respectful of you guys, that I'm going to be respectful of myself and my family, and this is you know, I'm like a represent this is a representation of me and my family in in public. So I'll send I'll send you guys privately the the PowerPoint presentation. But it it she showed a lot of effort on her part and and a level of responsibility and understanding as to the the tool the power of the tool that she has been given to to wield for both good and bad. So after that presentation, my wife looked at each other, and we're like, okay. Alright. You you can have it. But we're still gonna be assholes.
[00:58:34] Unknown:
Nice. Okay. Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing that one. But, John, yeah, thanks so much for stopping by. You were, as as expected, an awesome addition. Provided, untold amounts of, wisdom even in the the brief ten minutes you're with us. So thank you for stopping by. I wish we could go on for for at least another thirty minutes, but I know, we've got a place to stay. Yeah. Thanks, John. And, yeah. Just wanna close out the show really with, hope you guys all enjoyed that. And, yeah, clearly, we don't have all the answers. I know I don't. And, although it seems like John does, which that was that was truly epic. I'm definitely gonna watch that back, prep maybe a few times over just to drive home some of the some of the points. But, yeah, that was a fun one. Something a little bit different, something, you know, every everybody's kinda navigating at their own their own pace and on their own time scale. But, I've definitely learned a few things particularly from John.
Max, Seth, any any final thoughts before we, before we close out?
[00:59:31] Unknown:
No. Just, thanks, dad. And, thanks everyone in the chat. That was a good one. And, again, this this is another one where I think, we could do another few hours on this, revisit this, because I think there was still some other stuff we could have covered, and, we'll continue this discussion. So anyone who, has any questions, reach out, and it might be a topic we go back into.
[00:59:56] Unknown:
Yeah. Likewise. Just, really, really good to hear from somebody who's further ahead of life and with than you, like, with kids that are older than you who's been through this. Like, absolutely love it. I need to have John back on, chat more family stuff in the future. If if you as a listener wanna hear more family topics, I think it's something that isn't as common in in at least our space. So definitely let us know if you wanna hear more of that, and, I think we could definitely tag in John for some more of those down the line.
[01:00:23] Unknown:
1000000%. Thanks everybody for stopping by. If you're catching up or after the fact on the podcast, thanks for listening. If you're a a nostrarian or whatever they call these days, apologies to stream Nostril. Yeah. Nostril. The, stream wasn't working on there for reasons I have no idea about, but, maybe we'll try and fix it next week along with the rumble. But, thanks for stopping by, guys, and we'll see you same time next week.
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Thanks to Expatriotic for keeping us up to date with Boost's XMR chats, and sending in topics. John, great name and great guy, never change and never stop keeping us up to date with mining news or continuing to grow the mesh to Dell. Finally, a big thanks to the unsung hero, our Canadian overlord short, for trying to keep the ungovernable in check and for the endless work he puts in behind the scenes. We love you all. Stay ungovernable.
INTRO
FREESAMOURAI
Freedom Tech for families and kids
Teaching the why over technical locks
Modelling healthy device habits at home
Content quality, coco melon, and attention traps
Boredom, chores, and valuing offline moments
Stranger danger foundations before digital safety
Being the uncool parent and resisting social pressure
Parental controls on phones: Apple, Google, and limits
Network safeguards: DNS, router rules, and NextDNS
Using the Internet for learning: balancing the good
Baby monitors and avoiding Wi‑Fi cameras
Guest Jon joins: real‑world teen phone management
When to grant a phone or Snapchat: maturity and terms
Wrap‑up, takeaways, and future family topics
