In this episode of PMM, hosts Jon and Max discuss Jon and Bassload's upcoming energy Q+A at Pubkey in New York.
They DELVE into the Meshtadel Super Nodes: Ben Gunn's forestry and manufacturing ventures in the UK, and Untapped Growth's cattle ranching in Oklahoma, both seen as fostering community and self-sufficiency. The discussion touches on the challenges of finding reliable human capital for these initiatives, drawing parallels to the flaky nature of modern society.
The episode also includes a philosophical musing from Bubba on simplicity versus complexity in intelligence. Jon shares his written piece on preserving punk culture through modern means, advocating for self-reliance, community building, and maintaining punk's rebellious spirit in today's context.
They talk about maintaining emotional capital amidst the struggles of community building, the importance of not selling out, and encourage listeners to engage in activities like homesteading, learning new skills, and contributing to local communities as a new form of punk resistance. The episode concludes with an invitation to Lake Satoshi and a call to stay true to the punk ethos within the Ungovernable Misfits' community.
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(00:08:17) Bassload & Jon @ The Pubkey on March 10th
(00:11:05) On the Docket
(00:13:14) BOOSTS
(00:26:34) Ben Gunn | Productive Millwrights and Meadow Keepers
(00:45:04) Untapped Growth | Productive Millwrights and Meadow Keepers
(00:58:30) Finding and Fostering Human Capital
(01:19:29) Philosopher's Pit Stop: A Minstrel's Musings
(01:26:36) Don't Forget the Struggle, Don't Forget The Streets
(01:39:58) Open Letter To The Scene
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P m m. A number of p's and m's in this episode.
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There's the perfect amount, you could say. You could say perfect. I'm glad you mentioned that. The only thing I would like is if it was more perfectly balanced. Like, if the p was somehow in the middle of the 2 m's, the balance would be nicer.
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Oh, this this is your o OCD autism speaking.
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Yeah. You know what I mean, though. I do know what you mean. Yeah. Mhmm. And then I'd wanna turn the p 90 degrees as well. Okay. So have a a sideways
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p buttressed by these masculine m's.
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Yeah. I think that'd be nice.
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Okay. Well, you're the artist, so I default to you on these things. Thanks, mate. Hey. Before we get started on this show, I would like to mention another podcast. We often mention other podcasts, and some some people might think that that's a bad idea, but it's not. This is a a community here that we're building, a a mesh todell and other podcasts are nodes in that mesh todell. Our good friends, Otis Bittmeyer and Mister Fundamentals have created their own new, podcast on coffee. Have they named it yet? They have named it. It is called Sound Coffee.
Sound Coffee. Mhmm. So unlike black coffee, we get a lot of coffees in our sphere. We all drink coffee. I wonder why. Adrenal fatigue. Sound coffee. I like that. Yeah. I'm I'm really looking forward to listening. They just dropped an episode last night, but, of course, I am in PMM mode, and I can't consume anything else while that's happening. But once we're done recording, I'll do some chores, and I will be sure to tune in to Sound Coffee. They call it a metaphysical
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cafe. Okay. And so they'll be talking about coffee and what how to make it, how to roast it, and different types and all that kind of stuff, will it be? I imagine so. Yeah. The first episode looks like it's, them telling
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people, their listeners, their coffee origin stories. Mhmm. Tune in. I will. Also, before we start this episode of PMM, episode 10, I'd like to once again mention our Otis Bittmeyer coffee giveaway with some grinders. By the time this episode releases, it'll be almost ready for me to pick the winners, which I said I will do February 1st. One thing interesting that I noticed is early January, I put out this tweet letting everybody know about how wonderful Otis Bittmeyer's coffee is. And if you're a member of the Meschdel, you get, like, these early notices as to when he's brew not not brewing. When he is roasting. Like, he doesn't just put it out there. He doesn't have a website.
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You you gotta know. You know what I mean? Invite only.
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That's right. They'll let you know. And so I I put that out on Twitter, and then we got you know, did some numbers there and reminded people on the last action news, so on and so forth. But on the Noster, which still not 100% sold on the content that's on Nostr, but the community is great. And so it still has legs. Like, even people that I haven't heard from in years that are super Nostr people or that were deeply involved in the mesh to del, like, Shishi reposted it the other day on Nostril. I was like, wow. Shishi. I haven't heard from him in forever. No. I mean So it it's neat to see the action over on Nostril.
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There's more of a vibe of how it felt sort of 5, 6 years ago, maybe on Bitcoin, Twitter. Some of it might be algorithm or whatever, but I definitely felt like it used to be more fun. Like it was funny. I'd be amused with what I would see and it, it felt like we were the underdogs fighting against the globalist elites and it was all a bit silly and like, are we crazy? I'm not really sure. And then it started to get a bit serious and culty and salery and licking his asshole and all the Ew. Kind of that kind of stuff. Nasty. What's our little guy's name? Nasty. What's his name? Lester Sinclair
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from the Energy Information Agency.
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Yeah. And Nosta feels a bit more fun and vibrant. I just still I don't know if you find this, but, like, I just can't really use it very well still. Mhmm. I go there and then someone's written. I'm like, oh, someone's, like, replied to me, and I'm like, oh, I'll I'll look at their response. Oh, hold on. How do I see their message? Like, I can never see what I want to see, and I'm not sure why. I've got a problem with,
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replies. I have Danus telling me that it's come up, but I don't have Danus set up to where I can zap people so I can jump back on the primal so I can zap somebody. And then I have found out, and I'm not even sure if this is the case or not, but I want to zap people's replies to me, and then it sends a notification that To yourself. Somebody's to myself. Yeah. I don't know what the hell is going on. I, like, can't wait for all the boosts here to everybody to insult us about how we can't figure out Noster. Hey. Hey, buddy. I got a lot of shit going on in my life. It's really weird. Who was it who reached her? Because I said something like,
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why the fuck am I trying to boost someone else or, like, noster, whatever. I'm trying to zap someone else, and then I'm zapping myself. I was just like, this is so stupid. Like, why does this not make any sense? And then someone smart responded saying they were having the same problem, and I was like, oh, good. Makes you feel good, doesn't it, when the smart people respond? Yeah. Who was it? Was it 8th mirthrand dear? He's a smarty. Someone said it, and I was like, okay. It's not just me. Anyway, I'm glad to hear that your post did well there. We're giving a little, hat tip to Nostar. So there you are. That's the cross. There there you are, Nostar, from, 2 guys that have done nothing but bitch about it forever. Yeah.
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Kudos to the community there. I look forward to giving people and sharing some coffee with everybody. Looking forward to that. Whether you're smart, stupid, regular coffee, or decaf Mhmm. PMM is the show for you.
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For your safety. Big pharma, big banks, income tax, VAT. The Illuminati Elite, cultural Marxism, critical theory.
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You are nothing. You are nothing to me. You're a useless fucking cunt. You are nothing to me.
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Listeners of BM, Umesh Dadelians, webminers, you are everything to us. We love you. We appreciate you. And welcome to this episode of man m. M. M. I fuck you. Hello, man.
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Hello, John. I don't fucking hate you. No. I love you. Pedophile. I love you too. I love you as much as a Hollywood pedophile loves no. No. Don't go there. That joke is too Don't go there. It's too dark.
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It was too dark. We try to be a little lighter on the PMM episodes. You know, I the action news is so frantic and wild and goofy and silly. And then I I I try to be more sincere on the PMM episodes. You're a sincere guy. Mhmm. We tend not to curse as much. Really? I tend not to curse as much on the PMM shows. Yeah. Okay. It's intentional.
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Mhmm. We've had so many requests to not curse as much. Yeah. We do get a lot of those. I start to get them a couple of times now in my fiat life as well, just like from having kids. I'm so used to I only speak to people that I are not really involved in fiat life. I think I'm just so used to just speaking without even thinking that fucks and cunts and shits just come out of my mouth even when I'm, like, going to nursery or something like that. Do you know what? Because I don't think about it. Or missus would be like, do you do you maybe not say cunt at nursery? I'm like, yes.
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Sorry about that.
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Yeah. That's that bloke with a dirty mouth. Yeah. Just like disgusting mouth. So I'm starting. I'm trying. I'm trying to reel it in a little bit. But just know that when I say it, it's sincere.
[00:08:13] Unknown:
I know. I know that. Comes from a place of love. Yeah. Well, what do we have up on this episode of PMM? Looks like we got, oh, I wanna make an announcement. Here here. Announcement. Baseload. Bam. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Base load.
[00:08:31] Unknown:
I was trying to do one of these. I was using plastic on glass. Listen to this. That's better. That's metal glass. That's that's the it's getting everybody's attention.
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Attention, everyone. Sorry. Your ears hurt now. Yep. Baseload is doing an event at the PubKey. So now we're really starting to have a relationship with PubKey, with our gay little robot, man, being there with foundation devices and and Zach and teaching everybody how to use their foundation passport
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and the other product. What's the other product called? Passport Prime. Passport Prime. Yeah. How creative. I know. I've not got my hands on one yet. I'm looking forward to that. I bet you are. March.
[00:09:11] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, Baseload is going to be doing an energy summit, micro energy summit at the Pub Key. And if anybody has tuned in recently to another podcast, the Pubkey podcast, he was on there rapping about energy. Mhmm. He will be doing an event at Pubkey on March 10th March 10th. And guess who will be there? The Gay Little Robot? No. Me, the badass American. Oh, you can't call yourself that just because one person says it in the comments. Yes. I can. Yeah. I can. Yeah. Pie said it though. So it means a lot more. One person. Yeah. Okay. But he's he's as much as he, stopped drops and boosts, he's, like, 10 people. That's true. He has his own section of the show. He sure does. Yeah. If you are able to and want to learn about energy, this won't be, necessarily bitcoin mining energy usage. This will be just be the energy industry in general.
You want to do some deep dives. You want to hear a baseload rap about energy and have me go back and forth with him in that kind of blue collar regular guy questions that I I tend to ask people. Mhmm. I think you're gonna have a good time. You're gonna really get to understand the energy markets in a unique and personal way. So if you're around, March 10th, Pub Key, New York City,
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come on down. I presume if you're not in New York City, you could tune into it as well. Is there some sort of, like, live stream? Or Don't know yet. We're we're still working that out. If there's not and they don't put it anywhere, maybe we could host it here as well. Of course. I would expect nothing less. The Ungovertible Misfits family is growing. Our reach is growing. We're creeping into all corners of different communities,
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sovereign community, permaculture community, Bitcoin community, privacy community, Cypherpunk. We're all over the place. We are. Also up on this episode of PMM, we have productive mill rights and meadow keepers, mesh to del supernodes. I'm actually not gonna tease that anymore because if you don't know who the productive millwright is or the meadow keeper is in our Ungovernable Misfits community, I feel bad for you by this point, but we'll update you. Also on this episode of PMM, we have producers promising mentorship and mastery, but they are met with mediocrasy and mistrust, finding and fostering human capital.
We did have a article from Charles Francois Bienvenue Muriel, but it looks as though he hasn't completed it yet. So we will shelve that, but you will hear from him very soon. He fell asleep on his quill. I imagine he writes it with a quill. Oh, I would expect nothing less. Mhmm. Yeah. Actually, that is what happens. He I I don't have to guess. He scans it over to me. Mhmm. He is that technically adept. It's not a letter. He sends a PDF of a handwritten quill ink That's correct. Yeah. On parchment. Mhmm. Coffee stained. Mhmm. May have spilled his ink well.
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A face print where he's fallen asleep on it.
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Also up on this episode of PMM. We have a philosopher's pit stop, a minstrel's musing. Our friend Bubba, Cool Beans Ranch, shares some more Babylonian philosophy. This wise old man and his musings are going to be played live for you on this show. Actually, Called him up, made him buy a microphone. Wow. Forced him to record things. Shook him awake. I poked him with a stick. He's asleep with his feet up out by the fire in the desert with his dog, Waylon Jennings. I poked him with a stick that I found. That sounds nice. Mhmm. Bubba, wake up. Say some interesting things.
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Bubba, wake up. Buy a mic. Say some interesting things so that we can use it for our show. That's correct. Yeah.
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Users. And finally, we'll finish the show with the preservation of punk and hardcore through modern mesh todels in a piece I wrote called don't forget the struggle, don't forget the streets. A group of people that never forget the struggle, never forget the streets is our supporters, broadcasting 2.0 supporters. Our last episode of PMM, which was in November, actually. I'm not counting our 2 Christmas episodes as anything but specials. So, technically, PMM episode 9, the previous one was in November. And from that, we received 180,000 SATs worth of podcasting 2.0 support.
Thank you, everyone. Very much so. As a side note, both of those Christmas episodes of ours where we, had a guest host are wonderful, but very mean and nasty and hurtful and bullying, really. Mhmm. Producer Jordan was on with us. And he's doing his, like, oh, I'm nice. I'm a nice Canadian guy and and everything.
[00:14:07] Unknown:
Straight actor. Fucking phony. Can I just tell you before you continue with all of that is me and Jordan have had a real fallout?
[00:14:15] Unknown:
He's really he's really fucked me off in a big way. What did you do? What did you do wrong? Because I know it's your fault. I was I can't give too much away. I was
[00:14:25] Unknown:
testing a thing that's being built because I'm considered to be the final boss in terms of if it gets through my testing, my rigorous testing, we're all good. We aren't all good. And the thing that I was testing managed to completely destroy my laptop, which runs all my hosting. That's great. My nodes, lightning channels, fucking everything, completely fucked. Like, won't turn on, won't cooperate with me at all after doing some testing. I've told Jordan that when I next see him or when I see him properly in person, he's gonna get a swift kick in the nuts. I'll cuddle him afterwards, maybe 10, 15 minutes after when I've cooled down, but Mhmm. It's coming. I'm really I'm really, really gonna kick him hard. While we are going ice fishing together, do you want me to, like, throw him in a lake or something? It could be nice. Okay. Do something. Okay. I wanna be the person that really administers the pain. Oh, okay. You know what I mean? I don't want I don't wanna sort of water down in any way or anyone else to get the pleasure of doing that. Yeah. But yeah. Something. You know, like, put, like, a frozen fish down his boxes while he sleeps or something like that. Out of that. Out of that.
Campy. Just a couple of frat boys. Anyway, back to, slagging him off, that fucking Canadian. Mhmm.
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On our wonderful, Christmas episodes where our our sweet, cute, wonderful Canadian friend was on with us, those episodes garnered almost 300,000 sets worth of support to the show. That was a buzz buzz. You very much. Alright. We have some, podcasting 2.0 boosts to read, and we are gonna hard cap these things at 10 minutes. Also, we are only allowed to comment on one of these each. So, Max, if you come across one, that's awesome. You may, you may read it. Okay. 1 in the whole thing. Yeah? Yeah. Just one. Okay. Otherwise, you gotta shut your mouth. Yeah. And me me too. And did we
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because I said about never mind the buzzcocks and taking their thingy. Did you find a thing for the soundboard, or should I do an actual timer on my phone? I would I have my phone out. I'm just gonna do a timer. I'm gonna do one as well. I don't have a sound. I have a sound. Oh, okay. Alright.
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You're up first. Solex
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with 50,000 sats. Nice. What a guy. Just for the intro, fucking want to burn it all down. Thanks for being out there, you fuckers. A bright burning fart ignition light in the darkness. Gross, childish, and utterly hilarious. How other people take offense. Making the world a bit brighter, 1 fart at a time.
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1 fart at a time. Late stage hobble,
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31,113 sats. What a great coughing start to the show. This one too. Oh, this one too. I'm always sick. The movie you were thinking of was Zombieland. It was Zombieland. Yeah. Some bitch. I I actually quite enjoy that. Yeah. It's a good one. 28 days later, zombies are too fast, but World War z zombies are the most terrifying. That scene of the climbing the wall, if that's what we got, then fuck it all. I'm dead. If Brad Pitt can barely run fast enough, then my fat ass ain't gonna make it.
[00:18:05] Unknown:
You just gotta be savvy. You can make it. Next up is unpronounceable cunt. Pohjanmes, pohanmes. I'm still gonna continue to to pronounce whatever pohjanmes is wrong just because it's fun. 10 years ago, I was a strong bear
[00:18:21] Unknown:
work oh, is that right? Gay thing. Yeah. That's a gay thing. Hey, high loop of Janmies. Yes, please. You don't get to see all the emojis, but it's 10 years ago, I was a fisting fingering bear. Woah. That's what it says.
[00:18:38] Unknown:
Alright. That's what it says. Sorry. After I just said we're not as raunchy on PMM. Okay. So working on the construction site, working out after fiat grinding, and my bonus exercise running cross country. But now I'm an office bitch. I get laid and have to follow stupid orders to get paid in fiat. Although, there is a gym in the office for us retarded office workers, I barely manage to go once a week. In that sense, I'm the cunt and Max is the lord, But it's still me who drinks the raw woman raw milk. So who is the real cunt? Always Max. That's the answer.
It's a deep question, but, yeah, probably as a general rule, it is me. I hope Pajammi's in in hearing this. He hears his own words being read back to himself and goes, you know what? I'm gonna go down to that gay little office gym and do something. Yeah. Get in there, mate. Do it. Even if it's just one extra day, even if it's just 10 press ups.
[00:19:32] Unknown:
Just it's about getting the ball rolling. That's the thing. Bugle news. Jolly good episode chaps. Chet, love you cunts. Love you too. Hashlatette, hashtag free samurai.
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Indeed. Fomochronic,
[00:19:51] Unknown:
a little love heart thing. Thank you, Fomochronic. Savvy Gringo, great episode. Rev Huddle, structured water is one of the most worthwhile
[00:20:03] Unknown:
woo woo rabbit holes to fall down. I don't even know what the fuck that means, but okay. We're gonna do it. We're we're gonna get a structured water in here. I just want to talk to somebody who's really learned on the subject. I don't even know what is a structured water? Structured water is the water that actually comes from the earth. Okay. It it isn't filtered water. It isn't, you know, industrial municipal water. Mhmm. Its its molecules are pointed a certain way. It isn't simply to say h two o equals h two o from whatever its sources are. Like, from a spring or something. Yeah. There's a whole thing to it, and it isn't just the trace minerals that are in it too. It's like molecular structure. Okay.
As a matter of fact, when I go see Chet, he goes to this place called Climax Springs and gets all of this water from there. It is called Climax. Yeah. Climax. He he really likes like, he's always yeah. I brought some Climax water for you. You know, he carries it wherever he goes, refuses to drink anything else. It's a woo woo rabbit hole that that we'll we'll get down there someday, just not in existence. Alright. Next up, we have Bubba. The 2 funniest and useful cunts on the inner tube. I really, really like you guys. Until we fuck, I can't get to love. It's generational. Don't worry about it. No. The wife is sleeping when I listen, but I told her about the lactose intolerant smell. She laughed. My training is complete. John, I have to ask why she's with me. She says she's racist and likes only fat white boys who forget to bathe regularly, but make her either cry or laugh.
I can do both. Multitalented. Max, get whacked out and angry and work out. That's my motto also. And by workout, I mean pour a stiff drink and smoke a fag. Works for me. I really enjoy a good fag. Cowboy desert smoking and a bunch of emojis. Next up is brother a I b l e, ASIC instructions before leaving earth. Great workout advice from brother Max. In brother John's case, the biggest piece of advice I have is start where you're at. You may not have the hours to crush it in the gym. You may be tired from work, but not training will make you a weak man like the Pharisees. When you get home, start with one set of pull ups, set of dips, then grab that spare tire and hurl it towards the heavens with righteous fury. Your spare tire or the one in the yard? Ayoo.
I can say that as mine's gone. Oh, oh, congratulations to you, mister carnivore man. No more bulking. After, you will start to feel good, and you may want to do more. But even if you don't, at least you did something. When it comes to training month over month, you're far better off to do a half ass workout than no workout at all. When things kick off, you'll need that strength to protect your family. Strength I still got. Never lost that. That gorilla back. It's the flexibility and cardiovascular that I think that I've probably lost over the years. I'm not cranking out 300 pound bench anymore. Those days are long gone, but I can still lift heavy things. But, man, the flexibility is like,
[00:23:00] Unknown:
that's bad. Mine's terrible as well. Just having enough to, like, be able to run a 100 meters without dying is quite useful. Like, I've thought about that a lot. I'm like, yeah, things really kick off, like, 20, 30 seconds of fighting. I'll be on my ass because I'm so unfit or, like Yeah. Yeah. You know, a a 100 meter sprint. You can be as strong as you want. Like, I can lift this. It's like, okay. Go and fight someone for 30 seconds. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Fucking puffing.
[00:23:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Alright. That was your comment. You got it. Yeah. Sure. You got it in. You're done now. Okay. Here we go to pies. What? You were gonna say something? No. It's just zip. That was me zipping my mouth. Zip it up. Alright. Here's our pies section. Hey. Jingity, Jing. Get on get on. Alright, Pies. What do you got to tell us? He tells you, Max, don't be a bitch. I'm always on my David Goggins. Like my idol, mister Goggins, I've worked out with ligament damage and fractured bones. Do I regret these things? Absolutely not. Am I in constant pain doing construction work with an unhealed lingering injuries and arthritis throughout my body? Yes. Do I cry like a bitch? Hell no.
No crybaby bitch shit, Max. Man up, homie. What would you do if you're about to get jumped in the prison yard? I I guess you'd be huffing and puffing out of breath. Would you curl up like a baby, get beaten without fighting back? Man up, soldier. Let's fucking go. Come out the dirty jersey and work out with the pies. He also says, USA as hard as fuck, son. Get them, John. Max, you cunt. US at number 1. Great thing I'm doing on that shit. Y'all 2 make me laugh every week. I think you still should do a daily comedy hour skip. Maybe we could. No. I always thought Max was short for Maxine.
Is it not? This boost is for John, and we all eat. Thank you both for your service, gentlemen. Salute to you. Thank you, sir. Yo, booyaka, booyaka, gun, gun, gun, gun, gun, rocket, cookie, drinking, all the stuff he puts on the great brand of shit. Max sucks. Let's fucking go, stop, drop, and boost. I do pull ups, weights, runs, all types of cardio, and even yoga. That's cool. And I meditate. And if anyone got something to say about that, we can knuckle up on my construction site in Jersey. Booyaka, booyaka. 45 seconds. Let's
[00:25:12] Unknown:
go. Wartime. Good to hear from Chet. The beast warrior. Fire. Fire. Fire. Cyborg. Glasses emoji. Mhmm. Eric f j. Okay. At Ungovernal Misfits, you're my new favorite show. How the fuck did I not listen to you guys sooner? I don't know, mate. I'm not allowed to come out, actually. It's your fault. Well, welcome. Nosta gang. Vaginal blood farts can be used as a form of ink. Blot art. You're welcome.
[00:25:45] Unknown:
Man, nailed it. Oh, listen.
[00:25:48] Unknown:
Woah. Listen to that timing.
[00:25:51] Unknown:
Wicked. Wicked. Didn't know what I did. What about you, everyone? Ridiculous coughing. Oh, fuck off.
[00:26:03] Unknown:
I coughed so much last night that I actually threw up. Lot of throw up in that house. Lot of throws. Yeah. It's not good. Well, thank you for all the boost. We appreciate them. It really does keep the show going. So to the new listeners, Eric, FJ, and anyone else out there, thank you for joining. Absolutely.
[00:26:20] Unknown:
Max, I gotta go get some water. My throat's a little parched. K.
[00:26:25] Unknown:
I'm gonna go do away anyway. Alright. See you.
[00:26:29] Unknown:
There he is. Are you ready?
[00:26:33] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[00:26:34] Unknown:
Up next on this episode of PMM, we have our productive millwrights and meadow keepers, our mesh to del supernodes. Who do you think those mesh to del supernodes are? You asking me? Yeah. Yeah.
[00:26:48] Unknown:
2 spring to mind at the moment. There's possibly a third in the works. Oh, no. But Mhmm. I would say one is that disgusting little gremlin, that little wood dwelling creature, Ben Gunn. Mhmm. The second would be the cool American cattleman, untapped growth.
[00:27:10] Unknown:
Yeah. And am I am I allowed to call him an American badass? Because I'm not referring to myself.
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Yeah. I would say he's he definitely is 1. You're a stretch.
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You know what's funny about Ben Gunn and the untapped growth organization, I I should say, they call themselves Smoke River Ranch. That's a new Twitter account that they Sounds like a whiskey. Smoke smoke it does sound like they should make a whiskey. They should. Is is, you know, they're they're these these two groups of people, 2 guys doing amazing things, and then they have their American and British counterparts that just talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're little buddies that go and ask them questions and shit. Yes. Of course. We're talking about Ben Gunn and untapped growth, and they are big parts of the mesh Jadel, and they are sort of mesh Jadel supernotes. So in in that Mhmm. That Citadel
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theory that everybody had that they like to talk about, oh, man. When Bitcoin goes up, I'm gonna build the biggest thing, and there you all can come, and we're gonna do all this stuff. Well, these guys these guys actually built it. And it isn't quite as glorious
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as as you may think. It's a lot of hard work. It's a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, and money, and effort. Mhmm. They're doing it, and we're here to talk about it. Max, I guess we can go over Ben Gunn first, what he's up to. You recently did a, went there into the woods, into the madness with him. Almost, probably almost died a couple times, it sounds like. Mhmm. That was a great episode. I had, a lot of back and forth with SolEx over the weekend, and I told him as I and I said this to you and Jordan. As I listened to the episode, I happened to be kind of down that day. I don't know why. I think because I was stuck in the house, like, doing administrative stuff, cleaning, laundry. And that kind of tends to make me depressed if I'm not outside in in the sun or in the cold or heat or whatever and doing physical labor. That's as I've said many times on the show, that's where I'm comfortable.
And I said, I'm gonna go shovel snow outside. And I put that episode on, and it was just fitting. I was on the tractor. It was shoveling snow. It was freezing freaking cold listening to that episode, and I felt great again. I felt revived, rejuvenated. I knew that, you know, there were people out there really getting the work done, doing great things, and I felt great again. A lot of the time, I thought of SolEx because you guys on that episode mentioned Mesheddell many times. And even in a lot of SolEx's earlier writings, in the Citadel 21 article that he did describing the Mesh Jadel, he's you know, what are we gonna do? I'll go to Ben Gunn's? You know? So that one that was years ago. It was 2021, I think.
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Yeah. Well, that first call, I think, that we did with the Mesh Jadel that you jumped on to, I think Ben was on that as well, wasn't he? Mhmm. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. I believe so. So the these things have been in the works for a long time, and, well, that's what it takes.
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It isn't just become rich and all of a sudden you have a citadel. But also, I a lot there was a lot of feedback that people didn't quite understand what was going on, so I thought maybe you could put it into layman's terms Mhmm. As to what he has going on there. And a lot of Americans who just couldn't actually understand what he was saying. Yeah. I've watched a lot of Guy Ritchie movies, so I didn't have a problem. People saying that he sounded like the Pike out of, who was it? He played Brad Pitt. Yeah. The Brad Pitt one. You like bags? Or, or just that they couldn't understand him at all. I told him that, and, he said to a fuck him, was basically his response. So exactly what he should say. It's, yep, it's really not that hard. I mean, it's No. It's not. Blowing it. People are just being assholes.
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It was actually a lot more civilized this time around than the first time I visited. I don't think people maybe fully appreciate like, it was good that you were in the snow, shoveling snow and cold on your tractor going around because that's basically how Ben Gunn has lived most of his time for the last sort of 5 years is up in the woods in the middle of nowhere, sleeping in a fucking shed on the floor with his dog, doing dangerous shit to make this vision possible. And the first episode to now, whatever it's been 4 years, 5 years, he's come a long, long way. You know, he's got a massive load of woodlands, which is the, like, the timber business. And since I first saw him, not only does he now have the land and the whole crew working on it, but he also has, all the milling and everything that he's bought. So he has his own mill. He has a load more equipment.
Now another piece of land with a big warehouse and places for people to stay, shared workspaces, and an area where you can actually build whatever it is, whether it's something in the tech world or something in the physical world. It's somewhere you could go. So it's been pretty cool to see how far he's come. And he's a fucking crazy individual that puts himself through it. I think he's one of these guys. He'd sort of needs to test himself all the time and needs to put himself through some pain. Otherwise, he doesn't feel like he's going forward. Basically, the exact opposite to a lot of what I see on Bitcoin Twitter. Like, people have made a few quid.
Yeah. Got all comfy, giving advice from their armchair, and, not really putting in the work. Like, he's he's really been, suffering along, but it now means that we do have this super node. And it's, it's accelerating now. Like, I think the next 6 months, a year, we're gonna see some really big things. Having black coffee on board as well is good. Someone being able to, like, pull him in where he needs to be pulled in, make some of the more technical stuff that he has ideas on possible. And just like a trusted individual Mhmm. When you're putting everything on the line to build these things, you need someone that you can just really trust. And that's what he's got with coffee. It's just like Oh, yeah. You can you can trust me, mate. No problem.
Seeing those 2 work together was, was really, really cool. It gave me a real buzz to see, okay, 2 of my friends who I really have a lot of respect for are now working closely together and building something I think is gonna be incredible for people who really want to, not just talk to actually do the things that we talk about.
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Sick of the talk, which is why that made me feel so good to tune into that episode. I even text Black Coffee afterwards. I said, boy, Ben Gunn's impression, he was pretty fucking hilarious. Oh, what a cunt, mate.
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Ben was telling me he was something like, he had some, like, clever security system to, like, track people on the land and, like, that linked to his cameras and did all this special stuff. And it was like a Chinese manufacturer. It's like, oh, fucking paid all these different people to try and fix it, and no one can fix it. And absolute nightmare. And everyone's giving me these, like, detailed reports with all these costings, and it might be this and it might be that. It's just a fucking nightmare. Koffe came along. I was like, yeah. Can I have a cup of tea, mate? He's like, yeah. Yeah. I'll I'll whack one on. Yeah. So, do you think you can get into this today? And he's like, oh, no. I finished it, mate. I've just updated this and I've done that. And he's like, well, you've done it. He's like, yeah.
I'm excited to see those 2 together, and, they are both just very understated, and I really like that. Like, they just get down. They grind. There's no flashy nonsense.
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There's no massive chat. It's just they get shit done. K. I I have some questions, and feel free to just tell me, no. You're not gonna those or not because I never know what is what is consumable for the the public, or you have to be kind of our inner circle type of deal. So this is the same place that he's been the whole time where he No. He buy this is not the same place? No. It's it's near, but it's a second second site. Does he still have the old place? Yes. Okay. So my my understanding, you know, and and I'm gonna recap people if if they, haven't been back to listen to those episodes. He he buys this, like, hillside of land. It's, it's totally overgrown. It was a working, working forest at one time.
Nobody really wanted to come in and do the work because of his difficult terrain. He's like, fuck it. He comes from Thailand, comes back from his scuba diving lifestyle and decides, I wanna be this this monk in the forest. But he does it. He figures it out. He figures out how to how to, you know, get these overgrown trees that are kinda laying on each other, cut them up, get them out, make this a working forest. He does well there, then moves on. Now he's moving on to another
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project or something close by and doing something similar. Yeah. It's it's basically he wanted the whole vertical. So, like, from getting the wood out the ground to actually whether it's firewood or milling for whatever, fence posts or Mhmm. Or as far as, like, actually making furniture or making, like, finished products. He wants that whole vertical. So everything is possible through him and, the two sites. As an example, him and Koffi were testing. They'd made these, like, little oak blocks that were like Genesis block laser engraved into a, like, a beautiful oak block that he had sat as a paperweight.
And it's like, I grew that. My guys cut it down. It went through the mill. It came to coffee. He did some stuff on the computer, made the design. He banged it out. There's a finished product. And because he then owns all of the equipment the whole way through, it means that he can offer that to trusted people. So he can say, you've got this idea for a piece of art. Do you want some timber to create this totem pole or whatever it is you wanna make and speak to coffee, and he can then take your design and put that into CAD, and he can help tweak it and make it how you want it. And rather than me having to go to, I don't know, where I'd even start really to do some of the stuff that I have ideas for. Like, find someone who has the machinery and then hire it and hire their expertise. Like, suddenly something that's probably gonna take 30, 40 minutes to actually mill or make is costing you 1,000 and 1,000 of pounds.
He already has the equipment there. And when it's not actually being used, he's happy to, for a small fee Mhmm. Have other trusted people come and build some cool stuff if they're the right types. Because as he was explaining in the pod, if you open yourself up to the general public, it's a fucking nightmare, and it becomes very expensive because people wanna sue you or they don't turn up and then you know, just the bullshit that comes with it. So if he knows, okay. This person's solid. They're not gonna fuck around. We already know them. We trust them. Suddenly, the cost of production comes
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way, way down. Keep that in mind because as we speak to the next mesh well, supernode and the problems that he's dealing with, they're gonna run into the same thing. And it's something that I think us as, you know, the community organizing side of things, the social capital strong side of things that maybe we can help in this, because it's definitely a struggle that they're all having. So he owns the he owns the resources. He owns the land. He owns the ability to produce things on it. And the key thing that he's going to be missing is the human capital side of things. You encourage people to visit there.
What could they experience while they're visiting, sleeping on the floor of a a shack and running around the woods or something more nuanced than that? At the moment,
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I would say it's still rough. You're not gonna be comfortable there. That's good. That's a qualifier. You might sleep in a static, or you might sleep in a shed, or in a tent, or whatever. You're gonna be out in the cold in a very much like a working environment. If you're sort of, like, thinking, oh, I've got a final product that I wanna make right this second and, you know, I I want, like, a polished experience. It's not that yet. Mhmm. But it will very quickly get there. I mean, they can literally take timber and, like, start making buildings and sheds and shacks and stuff like Mhmm. The press of a button. It's one of those things that's gonna accelerate very quickly. But, yeah, it's it's not quite there yet, but I feel confident and comfortable to give a vision of where it goes.
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I know Ben, and I know coffee, and Mhmm. I know they're not bullshitters. And I've seen it. I can smell where it's going. You know, I I remember when ONTAP Growth was doing their their big push to buy the land and move everything down to Oklahoma. And there was a lot of talk about maybe Ben going over there and starting a forestry program in Oklahoma or, you know, bringing things over from the UK. Oh, that's impractical. I I remember these these mesh to Dell conversations from back then. And recently, Joel shared with me some tiny homes that they were interested in purchasing.
And they're sort of like the trailer sized, you know, the American, single wide. That's what I mean. That's what I mean by trailer or or single wide. It's not not an Airstream, type size. But they were pretty reasonably priced. And they were like $100,000 each. And when he sent me that, I looked through. I was like, man, even from the UK, I wonder if Ben could do better than $100,000 in shipping them over. I don't know. That's the whole mesh economy thing that that we all need to work on. There's so many moving parts here, and we're not importer exporter types. We're just guys that know how to do stuff. Well, I think,
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depending on the import and export, that's where, like, the money gets lost, like the taxes and the bullshit and the stuff in between where you have to touch Fiatland. But when it comes to, like, sourcing the raw materials, there's no middleman. And then when it comes to creating, building some things, like, there's many people that I'm not mentioning because I don't know whether I can or not. Yeah. I I always struggle with that too. Yeah. But there are very, very good builders, welders. There are people from, to how much I can say, all the way through the construction industry who are very closely linked to, like, me and Ben and and Coffey and others who are trusted and very, very good at what they do. And then there's all the technology that's going in there. So you've got really competent, capable people that can source all the materials at very, very low prices. You won't get them lower. And then they have the tech capabilities to make things much more efficient. So it's not someone building with a chisel. It's Mhmm. With a CNC machine. Yeah. Yeah. In theory, things should be much better built and much cheaper.
I would think it's possible. It's just that maybe we know someone who, like, can operate in that shitty import export taxi bullshit. We might we might know somebody. Yeah. There's a few people that come to mind that I think actually know a lot about shipping. Mhmm. Maybe that's where some help will be needed. But in terms of, like, can they produce really high quality buildings with the best types of insulation and everything else for low cost? And when someone orders it, they know they're not gonna be fucked around because they're part of this group. Yeah. I think so. I think we're not long away from that at all, being able to produce buildings and structures and things to the exact spec that someone wants and completely sidestepping all the fiat fuckery Mhmm. With the exception of the shipping and the bullshit. Yeah. I think we're there. Just to recap on Ben's history
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with Ungovital Misfits. You can go back into our library and search for you can't live in a Bitcoin. I believe that was was it the first one? Or you can't eat sats? Think it's you can't eat sats. Max is probably having a coughing fit here. I was. That that was a that was a few years ago. You can't eat sats. Then they recorded again in Amsterdam, and I do believe that one was called you can't live in a Bitcoin. And then this most recent episode, which was, what, 2 episodes ago, what's that one called, Max? The most recent one? Yeah. That was called
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Building with Bitcoin, Unimogs, and Ubermongs.
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Mhmm. Mhmm. Yes. Of course. Also, if, pretty soon, the Ungovernables website will be updated and revamped, and I've seen a lot of the early, working models of that. And it's incredible. The work that mister Crown can produce
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as far as website stuff is He's been on fire. He really has been on fire. Week or 10 days. He's been absolutely on fire. I don't know what's going on with him, but I like it. Well, his work ethic is infectious. Yeah. New website, new designs, new functionality. We love to see it, Crown. You absolute monster. Improved functionality on the website will
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include improved functionality for our articles section, our writings section. So not only the Ben Gunn 3 episodes, you can listen back to, but read his articles where he wrote a series of articles about his journey, buying the forest there and what he had to do to rehab it. And he has another article on the 5th of November, the, Gunpowder Treason and plot that Max can't seem to grasp historically because he refuses to read that article. But it's there for those who can read. It is there. So lots of lots of Ben Gunn material on on Goverable Misfits.
Just to give an update on the American side of our mesh to Dell super nodes, somebody that is having problems with developing that human capital side of things on Tap Growth. Much like Ben Gunn, he's been a, mesh to Dell character for a very long time. As a matter of fact, when you firstly relaunching the mesh to Dell monthly show in summer of 21. Chino, Sol X were were off to guests on there, but you also had an episode with Chino and, Joel. I listened to that episode a few months ago, and it was very interesting to hear his take on things. Talked a lot. He
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he's really not the kind of character that should be on the show with 2 other people because the 2 other people don't get to talk a lot. Him and Ben have that in common. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. They're like those little wind up toys. You know? You, like, wind them up and they just go.
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They sure do. So on that episode, Chino and and you didn't say very much. It was there's a lot of Joel. But he's got he's got that energy, and that's Mhmm. These are the type of personality traits that are necessary to build these supernodes. You just gotta be an energizer bunny as as, you know, we would say over here. And they just keep going and keep going and going and going. Well, that's what makes them those a type super successful personalities. Mhmm. To update everybody on what untapped growth is doing, you know, they bought this large farm cattle ranch in Oklahoma. It's, it's a few guys down there doing their best to incorporate management intensive grazing, herd share program, breeding program down there. You know, his initial vision was just to do management intensive grazing and have a citadel and have a community for people and be able to provide healthy fresh beef and control the you know, all the inputs and outputs to make sure that beef is healthy for people. And that is a source of food that can't be destroyed by the machine.
Their breeding program down there, they've got the African Mashona, you know, and that's, like, from Zimbabwe kinda area of Africa, I think. And and, you know, the Mashona people, that's the ones that are, like, walking with the cows. They live with the cows. They you know, they're really fertile animals. They're heat tolerant. They're really efficient grazers. He also has the Piney Woods cattle down there, and those were the ones who were Spanish to drop them off in Mississippi and just said, you know, like, the 1500 and said, well, we're gonna let these cows roam about, and then we're gonna go conquer the rest of, Central and South America. And we'll come back and eat these cows. And then eventually, they just abandoned them in the woods of Louisiana. So he has the ancestors of these cattle that were dropped off by the Spanish in the 1500.
And he has a really interesting breeding program down there to do. You know, hardy breeds cattle that are resistant to ticks, resistant to disease, very tolerant for cold and heat, not just in the landscape there in Oklahoma but pretty much anywhere. I I think that's what he's trying to do is just have this
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general breed of cow that can exist in a lot of different areas. I remember when he was first talking to me about, like, how cattle are raised in most of America and, like, UK and everywhere else and, like, the differences between them. And I was like, oh my god. I never knew like, these things can't really survive without Mhmm. Vets and drugs and Yeah. Load of other bullshit. And I was just like, I never knew that. I never really thought about it that way. And once once it was explained, I was like, we're crazy. Crazy to be doing things like we are. This is more of a return to nature and, like, logic.
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Yeah. A lot a lot of these breeds can't even breed because the bulls are so ridiculously large that they they can't mount. Some of the cattle breeds, they were made bred just to be in, you know, factory farming. Their legs are really long. They're not great at grazing because they're too far up from the ground. They're they're just being fed kind of at, like, head height. So he's he's trying to break that that cycle, and he's doing it. The breeding program is really taking off. The management intensive grazing program is taking off. So for those who don't know, he does, like, the high density management intensive grazing. I didn't even find out about that that acronym until a few months ago. Like, I have been studying, you know, John Zitzman and the Great Judy, you know, Joel Salatin, these rotational grazing type people. And, of course, we talked about in different episodes of PMM, you know, the mentor that my partner and I have kind of grasped onto, John Lindley here, has done, you know, rotational grazing for many years. He's he's 86 years old, so he's he's been in that game for a very long time. But that Joel does it at an even higher level. It's called high density management intensive grazing. You know, it's the same thing where you move ruminants around in in different paddocks frequently.
You know? What you wanna do is bunch them all together as if they had predator pressure on them. And that affects the land a lot more effectively than just kind of letting them roam about. So he has a lot of these overhead shots of these his fields right next to his neighbor's fields. And even though through the summer they had a drought there in Oklahoma, to a degree, it seems like that part of America always has some kind of drought. His fields look fantastic compared to his neighbors. So it is effective. He's really doing he's really building the soil.
His ruminants are trampling, or matter down, and little puddles where the rain can sit, and the microbes can feed on that, the insects can feed on that, the dung beetles can come in. Increasing the carbon, nutrient content, all the stuff, and nematodes and mycelium and biodiversity.
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It makes so much sense. I don't know if anyone's watched Clarkson's Farm.
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Sure. Yeah. I have. Yeah. It's a good one. It's good because it's like It's like top gear on a farm. Yeah. Top gear on a farm.
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It's fun, but it also, like, breaks down and shows just how crazy farming in the UK and and elsewhere is and how you basically just got, like, dead lifeless soil that's just fucked. And then you just have to pour a load of chemicals and stuff to sort of trick the soil into thinking it has nutrients so that you can grow some shit, and then you have to use more of that. And when you, like, think about that, it just it doesn't make any sense. Whereas the alternative is, like what Joel is doing, is actually to have, like, the circle of life. Like, you have the cows, You move them in a certain way. You have them eat in a certain way, then they shit. And then once that shit goes onto the floor, then you have, like, say, the mycelium and blah blah blah, and that replenishes the soil, and then you grow things. And it's better for the cattle. It's better for the meat. It's better for the ground. It's better for the plants.
There's less chemicals and bullshit. And it's like what all the woke people are talking about is like, oh, we wanna make the world healthier and safer planet and do this and treat animals well and stop using chemicals and we're raping the soil. And it's like, yeah. Okay. Well, here's someone who's actually doing it. Why aren't we doing it everywhere else? It's like such an obvious thing when you see it, a bit like Bitcoin. It's like, why the fuck would I have a money that's not Bitcoin? Why the fuck would I use the dollar or the pound? That would be stupid. It's the same with this. Why the fuck would you farm like people are on Clarkson's Farm and everything else? It's stupid.
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I'm happy that everybody's into the Clarkson Farm thing now, and that message is is really penetrating into the the normie world. But it's exciting to have somebody like that be a part of of our community who saw this long ago and had already implemented is already implementing solutions. And not just doing it with the financial capital part of things, materials and the living capital of the animals, but they are building a community down there. They're building a new cultural community in Oklahoma, where it isn't just about people coming down there and and moving cows and growing healthy beef. That is a huge section of it, but they're building I don't wanna say this because it it sounds like pie in the sky silly in a way, but they're trying to build, like, the new foundation of a different civilization that's built on work, trust, spiritual capital, integrity.
It isn't just, like, a TV show. Here we are. We're getting out of, like, the the petrochemical fertilizer loop Mhmm. And doing this biodiversity system here, which they are, but they're also doing that with people and culture. And this is something that I think and I'd like to move on to the next the next section. This is probably gonna be one of my worst segues into an advertisement. Now now that I'm looking at it and and thinking about it. But we'll go ahead and do it. We'll just pull the Band Aid off because I don't wanna go too far without having an ad read in here. But everything that Ben wants to do at his shop there, Bifrost Manufacturing is already doing it as far as milling, CNC machines, 3 d printers, designers, engineers, manufacturing space, they got it all.
Bifrost Manufacturing in Grand Forks, North Dakota. Attention. Attention. This will be our last Bifrost manufacturing ad read. Their sponsorship is over, but I will say this for the past year, they have been fun ad reads to do, and I feel we've, definitely grown a lot closer on Governmental Misfits and our audience and Bifrost Manufacturing, and, really looking forward to the fishing trip this year to spend time with all of them and even a lot of the pleb miner crew is going to be there this year. So thank you very much, Bifrost Manufacturing.
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You've been a great sponsor. Appreciate it. Yep. Sure. In the future. I'm sure. As we've just gone through with all the Ben Gunn stuff, people are gonna need to start building things. And even if they're not a need, there's gonna be a want. There's gonna be a desire for people to have certain things made. The things that Bifrost can do have blown me away. Just to have, like, a one stop shop where you can go in and speak to people who really know what they're doing and can build pretty much anything you want is, very, very valuable. Yeah. Valuable indeed, to the point where they're
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they're redoing their convention or event space there, in Grand Forster, North Dakota called the Alaris Center. And they were trying to do a turf covering, you know, where where if they're gonna have a concert, they're gonna put a bunch of coverings on top of the turf so it doesn't mess it up. And the concert's over. Boom. You wanna go back to football. You can do that easily by disassembling the turf cover. So they recently put a bid on doing a turf cover, like, 3 d printing the turf cover there at Bifrost. Like, that's how large they've become. And the other people in the bidding process, Bifrost Manufacturing was, like, 5 to $700,000 less than these other bids. No joke. 5 to $700,000
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less? That's correct. They could have saved numbers than boys per month.
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I don't know what kind of fiat fuckery is going on there, but they didn't choose Bifrost Manufacturing to produce the turf covering for them. And to me, that really you know? And and I was kind of upset for them, you know, in in reading the article and and talking to Aaron and how much work they put into this bid and how this is a a civic funded thing. This isn't like some corporation sponsoring the center. This is owned by by the county or the city. So the taxpayers are gonna foot this bill. They've gone, what? Save us half a $1,000,000. No. Thank you. No worries. No. Thanks.
So whatever fiat fuckery is going on, and and I really think that shows why we need to build out our mesh economies and our mesh del. So we don't have to deal with these fiat fucks. We sell directly to each other. Honesty and integrity with fundamental mathematics. Yes. Fundamentals has a math show. You can listen to that too. Fundamental mathematics and economics. That's the world that we we want to live in. That's the world that we're trying to build. And here is Bifrost manufacturing, building great things, designing great things, building out their ability to manufacture things, CNC machines, resin 3 d printers, regular 3 d printers. They have all the stuff. They have all the engineers, the designers, the equipment, and they've got the budget and they still don't get this big deal. So if you've got something going on in the United States that you need manufactured, this is your this is your last chance to hear about it from Ungovernable Misfits for a little bit. Visit them at their website.
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Bifrost manufacturing.com.
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One more time.
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Bifrost fucking hell. Bifrost manufacturing.com.
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Thank you very much, Max. That was absolutely perfect. You didn't cough one time in that. That's right. Any job, big or small, preferably big, save more money if you do a big job, reach out to Bifrost Manufacturing. They can really do just about anything. Speaking of our own manufacturers, our own producers, Ben Gunn, Untapped Growth. In listening to Joel talk a lot lately and speaking to friends of mine that are there, working, their biggest issue they have is people. They need people to come and work there. You just need human beings to do all this stuff, which leads us to our next topic here on PMM. Producers promising mentorship and mastery are met with mediocrity and mistrust. Is it mediocrity? I wrote down mediocrity, but as I say it, it's mediocrity.
Yeah.
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Oh, I don't know why autocorrect didn't autocorrect that then. That's interesting. I think maybe that is a word, but not fitting for what you're trying to say. Mediocre.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna do a real real pixpergy. Hey. These guys say you can work. You can't miss the mediocre shit. All fucked up. 2 of you are 8 forms of capital, social capital, cultural capital, spiritual, material, intellectual, financial living. Let's see animals, eminals, Experiential. Our friend Carl crazy Carl Koerner. He's got 2 additional forms of capital, vital and time capital. Those make sense. Here's another one though, human. I think human can encompass a lot of those things. From what I'm understanding, and I think Ben Gunn is gonna run into this too as he starts to scale, is the most difficult thing is human capital. You guys spoke about it on the show Yeah. To a degree. These people show up. Those retards, hobos, drug addicts, whoever the fuck show up, and they just don't got it. They promise a lot of things. I mean, you even have a lot of things. I know this with untapped growth being in the sphere is all these people are excited. I wanna come down there. I wanna do stuff. I wanna do stuff. And then when it comes down to it and you're on the farm, they flake out. There's so many flakes.
Sarah runs into this all the time in her business. Not so much now, but it used to be a really bad problem where people had an appointment to get their hair done, and they totally flake out. Yep. You know, you go to meet somebody. Oh, I want to buy this thing on Facebook Marketplace. And you go there and they meet them, and they totally flake out. We've become a nation of or a community of flakes here in in Western civilization and are running into that on the farm there. People are hard to find. They're hard to keep. They break their promises. You can't trust them. They come down there and say, I can do all these things, but it turns out they have nothing in their skill set toolbox at all. They don't have any work ethic. They don't really the symphony is living in a fucking fantasy land on their keyboard. And then when they go somewhere to put the work in or promise that they're gonna put the work in, they absolutely flake out.
[01:01:03] Unknown:
Yeah. But that's quickly seen, especially in, like, the physical type of work that both Joel and Ben are doing. You only really need, like, a day with someone you're like, oh, you're fucking useless or you're really good. Whereas, like, in the corporatey, bullshitty world, like, people can hide for years. People can definitely do they do nothing.
[01:01:27] Unknown:
Where I work, people can hide for 35 fucking years and leave with a, you know, a $1,000,000 pension. Yeah. See it all the time. They do nothing. But you can't you can't really hide in these type of businesses. So, at least they get found out quickly. They do get found out quickly, but think about all of the time and energy that you invested into that person to get them there in the 1st place. Then they show up for a week, turn out their shit, and they flake out. That's true. You know, it isn't it isn't just saying, oh, you you, you answered my advertisement in the classifieds of the newspaper, and they show up and say, oh, you know what? Thanks for showing up for the day. I'm gonna cut you loose. It's much worse than that. Even to convince somebody to come down there and work and experience things, and then they flake out. It's like, dude, I put all this fucking time and energy and something that we're going to talk about in our next episode of PM, an additional form of capital, is emotional capital. I've I've put all this out to you, and I've got nothing in return.
Mhmm. And having this conversation with everybody in the mesh Jadel because I was having this conversation with Joel personally, and then we sort of brought it into the mesh And everybody else is saying the saying the same thing in their operations. Alright. Once again, what the hell can we say about people? Husband and wife, friend of ours, Mejdell people, Michigan folks, they just bought a large working Amish farm. And it's just the 2 of them. So, of course, they need help. I I know they travel abroad certain times of the year. So the conversation came up in the mesh adels, like, well, we need help too. And somebody brought up something called w w o o f, the worldwide opportunities on organic farms.
Have you ever heard of this? I don't know anything about it. Alright. Well, I'm going to inform the audience as to what it is because I just learned about it. It's a, I'm gonna read this. It's a global network that connects volunteers with organic farms in exchange for helping with tasks like planting, harvesting, or animal care. Volunteers called WOOFers, that's cute, receive food accommodations and hand on experience in sustainable agriculture. It's all learning, shared knowledge, and fostering communications. No money involved. WOOF promotes organic farming, permaculture, and eco friendly practices, making it a great way to immerse yourself in local cultures while supporting sustainability.
So one of our members did the WOLF thing about 10 years ago. And she says she spent 8 months on a variety of farms, big and small, commercial and private. Most setups had livestock, gardens, or specialty projects. And the best experiences were farmsteads with lots of animals, gardens, and other woofers around. Oh, so cute. The hosts loved sharing their knowledge. And there was always something new to try and learn. The wolf database helped connects volunteers with hosts, offering reviews and detailed profiles to match skills and expectations. She loved it so much that some hosts even invited her back outside of the wolf program. While things have changed in her life, she says, she said it was a great system for exchanging help, knowledge, and experiences.
And even if it doesn't work out with a volunteer, it's only temporary. So there's little risk. Another member of the chimed in and said that he did a stint in Spain a long, long time ago. So this is a working thing. We do have, people experienced with Wolf in the mesh channel, but then somebody else said, yeah, I I got into that and, says it's mostly now. Maybe it wasn't 10 years ago. And this this is experience of people 10 years ago or the other person. I'm I'm not gonna reveal how long he said it was ago. I don't think he wants that share. He's kind of a privacy guy. But it was a long time ago. And now everyone that shows up is mostly drug addicts and thieves if they do actually show up. So our our culture is is degrading.
[01:05:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, I guess that's kind of, normal, though, isn't it? It's like when something's a good thing, people are always gonna try and find a way to take advantage of it. Oh, yeah. So there are some interesting things that potentially can be done there in terms of, like, web of trust. Mhmm. That's something that is missing from these traditional fiat world things. They're missing a Noster badge. Yeah. And Noster badge or, or, you know, just even more simple than that is like, if I a 100% vouch for someone with Ben, if I go, I'm telling you solid. Just trust me on that. Mhmm. Because we're close enough, Ben will take that as a solid, like yeah. That's basically an extension of Max because if they turn out to be a complete cunt, then we're gonna have a problem. Do you know what I mean? Because I've I've a 100% vouched for them. And I'm sure the same with you and Joel and, you know, you have these kind of connections. And the further you go out, the less trust you have. But most of these other communities don't have that. So, like, I'm not gonna completely I'll go, oh, look, mate. I absolutely a 100% vouch for this person if I've exchanged a message or 2 with them. That's not gonna happen. It's only gonna be someone who I really know and trust myself. So Mhmm. We do have an advantage there. We do have an advantage. But even in our own community, people flake out. It's even hard to vet people who you've known online for many years
[01:06:32] Unknown:
and think and I and I can say this from experience of people that I know that they've spent now 2 years working on building relationships with people, and then they've completely flaked out when the time came. It is absolutely wild, and it it's a big problem in our society as a whole, people's lack of integrity. I don't think we have any solution for that. You know? And I and I'd say you're you're absolutely right. Yeah. If you vouch for somebody, that sure that sure does make things a lot easier. But even in doing that, people flake out. I think it's
[01:07:03] Unknown:
culturally changed. There's been a shift. Some of it is like if you lived in a village and you said you're gonna do a thing and you didn't do that thing, you'd go to the local pub or church on a Sunday and oh, look who it is. It's the lawyer. Yeah. You'd get all that. It's like, oh, fucking hell. There he is. And very quickly, your reputation would be burned all the other way around where very quickly everyone go, oh, if he says he's gonna do something, he's gonna do something. Will I trust him with and suddenly all these opportunities start to come your way. For these people to flake out, there's no risk. There's no bullying at the pub. Yeah. There's no cost. And the other thing is, I think, partly not just because people aren't living closely to each other, but also there seems to be a cultural shift where people are saying, I just need to look after myself or I need to do what's best for myself. Oh, yeah, buddy. And I think Great point. Part of that is just because, well, actually, things are pretty fucking hard for most people rather than having a sense of pride and going, well, I'm gonna do what I said I'm going to do. It's almost like this fight or flight mode that people are in where they're, like, scurrying around with their heads down. They're not really thinking about the future. They're just going, oh, just pick up the crumbs. Pick up the crumbs. And so if if someone has said, yeah. I'm gonna go and cover for you at your work because you're going on holiday. If they get an offer and it's someone's gonna pay 50% more, oh, pick up the crumbs. Pick up the crumbs. That's that's how they're thinking. So I do think some of it is broken money, broken society, broken promises.
[01:08:38] Unknown:
We'll get there. We'll get there. So when you extend all of this time and effort to try to recruit people to to your citadel I almost feel like cheesy saying citadel just thinking years ago and everybody talking about the citadel stuff. It is true. To your working operations, whether it be a farm, forest, some sort of manufacturing operation, and you invest all this time. So you have that time capital. You invested part of your life. That's vital capital. But you invested emotional capital. It's that pendulum swing, that up and down, the highs and lows of, oh, man. Maybe I finally have somebody. This person seems right. We're aligned on so many things spiritually and culturally. They seem like they're a good person. I've spent a few weeks talking to them. I've qualified them through conversations with other people in my organization. You know? Like, hey. Can you call this guy and get a read on him? I'm not really sure, you know, what kind of person they are. And then you spend all this time. They turn out to be a flake. You're exhausted emotionally.
You're frustrated. You're upset. You don't know if you wanna go through this process again. So on the next episode of PMM, we're gonna break down emotional capital, and it's it's something that I have struggled with for a long time is, you know, how I get, Max. Like, I get excited about Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. I know. I put a lot of myself out there, and a lot of times I don't get that same thing back and that tends to exhaust me, you know. But I think I've learned a few lessons over the years and how to deal with that. And it isn't just saying, as Max likes to say, throw my toys out of the pram and, you know, go home. I don't do that. I think I've developed a couple techniques to deal with these highs and lows and not just saying, fuck it. I'm taking my ball and going home. I don't wanna do this anymore with people. I'm done. And, you know, I you know, over these past couple years in Bitcoin, a community that I never fucking had to participate in, but felt, you know, felt almost a calling to Mhmm. That I've wanted to, like, say, fuck it. Fuck these people.
Fuck this overemotional asshole. This fucking person. I'm I'm done. I don't wanna do this anymore. And a lot of times, to be honest with you, Max, it's like you were the only thing that kept me in. It's nice today, mate. Yeah. It's true. It's absolutely a 100% true. So I think I've developed a couple things to preserve my emotional capital.
[01:11:08] Unknown:
That way it's there it's there for me when I do need to use it again. It's important because otherwise you just get burnt out. I've had similar feelings many times and I know. Yeah. It's always that little core group of people you can count on your fingers who you go, well, it's not all fucked. It's not all shit because I can rely on these people. But you do start to close yourself off. And I guess sometimes maybe you miss out on some opportunities, but otherwise, the cost of being open all the time and on all the time is
[01:11:39] Unknown:
you just get burnt out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, one place I I feel like I'll never leave the PMM group. Mhmm. I'll never leave the mesh to Dell. I'll never leave ungovernable misfits. And I certainly have my core group of of dudes, you know who you are, who I talk with every day, who will now be my lifelong friends. Yeah. But I could totally give up Twitter, Nostril, all the other all the other stuff without question. I only stay in because you have to stay connected to do these these shows.
[01:12:10] Unknown:
And also, like, the in person stuff, like, when you start seeing these super nodes building out and stuff. It's like when you spend your time typing away on your little keyboard arguing about whatever it is, or do you wanna actually, like, go and learn about cattle or go and build some cool stuff and, like, it's pretty obvious where you wanna spend your time. No, man. I'm just gonna run a bit and talk about decentralization. Did you see, cat muncher, pussy muncher on, Twitter arguing about with Brinky how anyone who's running a solo pool is attacking the network?
[01:12:41] Unknown:
Are you kidding? No. I didn't because he blocked me a while ago when they were hitting empty blocks, and I asked him legitimate questions like, hey. Are you sure there's nothing, like, on an IT level that you could do to stop hitting empty blocks? He's like, no. It's actually healthy. And I noticed they really haven't hit the empty blocks since, so I guess they did fix something. And then I got suggestions from people that run pretty large pools and at the time was 3 times the size of their pool. And he says, yes. There is things you can do. And I just relayed that back to him, and they said I was dishonest, and they blocked me. Yeah. He said,
[01:13:12] Unknown:
Brinkie put out his flyer that I think mister Crown designed, and then That's correct. Luke said, solo pools are false advertising and harmful. They should not exist at all. And, Brink, he said, please enlighten us with your supreme knowledge, oh master Luke. You might also consider the 350 ish terahash total hash rate of the pool and especially the usage of bit taxes for fun and learning purposes.
[01:13:43] Unknown:
And please don't forget to acknowledge we did it all without money from Jack. Boom. Oh, man. I wish I would've saw that. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Oh, great. I love it. God bless you, Brinkie. I know you listen to every single episode. I love you, you big old monstrous beautiful man. Wonderful.
[01:14:00] Unknown:
And then that was kicking off, and then Luke's coming out with a load of more stuff. I haven't given it any more attention. That was enough. I sent a little stupid GIF of a of a cat saying how rather than meow and then hiding again so it didn't get eaten. That's my input.
[01:14:14] Unknown:
That's that's usually your input. Yeah. That's that's what I'm best at. Well, you didn't spend, a lot of emotional capital in doing that. No.
[01:14:23] Unknown:
Oh, there's a funny cat. That works. Yeah. That's me. That's it. That's it. Little investment of emotional capital.
[01:14:31] Unknown:
Well, if you want to grab yourself a bit, ax, and get to playing on the node runner's pool, I know the place that you can go. Be like Ricky. My dinner runner's pool. Luke, come on. Get over yourselves. It's just a bunch of people going to altairtech.i0, getting themselves a cute little bit ax, little thing. Look at me. I'm a little miner man. Like it? It's it's a mining of bitcoins. Get 1, 2, stick them under your strap right to the bottom of your seat and warm your nuts. You can do that. You can get those on altairtech.i0. Supra, gamma, giga, gigachad.
I believe they got a model named gigachad. How you sure? Yeah. You could do your mewing. Get your little chin to find out the this is what the kids do. You know about this mewing? Have I talked to you about this before? Yeah. I've been mewing for ages. For real? Strong jawline.
[01:15:51] Unknown:
Gotta do the mew.
[01:15:53] Unknown:
Gotta do the mew. You too can do the mew with the new gigachad bitx mineronaltaretech.i0. One thing I like about him is he doesn't get emotional. He doesn't expend a lot of emotional capital. The guy's just doing stuff, reviewing shit, getting new stuff in, hard to get miners. He's got them there in stock. The new s 21 plus just came out. Let me make sure that I'm getting that right. If you'll excuse me for just one quick second, I'm gonna go to altair tech, altair_tex Excuse me as well. Twitter account. Mate. Yep. You just carry on. Mhmm. I will carry on indeed. Where he reviewed the s 21 plus. We, of course, will break this down on the next episode of action news.
But this is just an example of the things that alter tech dot io does. So he gets this S21 plus which is a little bit less efficient than the the Pro and the XP as far as its efficiency rating goes. But it's value priced and it's pretty powerful too. They come in 216, 225, 235 Terahash models. Got some pretty neat stuff in there. It looks like a pretty good machine, and he has those available to order if you go to alteratech. Io. When you check out, you get a 1% discount if you use the promo code. I don't know if Max is back. If you use the promo code Ungovernable. That's right. Promo code Ungovernable for altairtech.io.
I got a project that I'm working on. I really could use some new miners. I have my eye on this new, s 21 plus. Too much with the pros and pluses and XPs and whatnot. But I do have my eye on this s 21 plus, especially if it's value priced. I could upgrade some older machines, and I don't know who else I would go to besides altertech.io. Well, I do know another place, but not gonna advertise for him. You know who he is. Cute guy, little hat and glasses. We all love him. But in the meantime, altartech.io. Really appreciate your sponsorship of Ungovernable Misfits, Action News, and our PMM shows. There have been some really, really low temperatures across the United States, and I know a lot of miners in the south who previously had their stuff turned on off have cranked back up. And I know that they were glad to have alter tech dot io there for when when you've had a miner off for a long time, you don't realize, oh, shit. The control board went bad. This fan went bad. Altartech. Io always has a lot of accessories, control boards, fans, fan guards, even screws, connectors, whatever the hell you want. You get an epic UMC board and you want to use your old fans, this is a different type of connector. He has the adapter connectors for you. It's a it's a unique mining website, because he isn't just one of these guys that orders a bunch of gear from China and pays the the duties and things might get complicated there and ships them somewhere and then reships them to you. That's a very simple business model. He's got a lot more stuff going on, builds things, reviews things, tears things apart, tells you all about them, lets you know if they're right for you. Nobody is like alteratech.
Io. Just the best. What a guy. Yeah. And I, you know, I I said the promo code, but I think it'd be best if you told everybody the promo code that they can use when they check out with alteratech. Io to get 1% off.
[01:19:18] Unknown:
Use the code ungovernable at checkout. Much better than I did. Yeah. I agree. I could hear you while I was taking your piss. Oh, good. Okay. Great. Yeah.
[01:19:29] Unknown:
Moving on and wrapping up with this episode of PMM, we have a philosopher's pit stop, a minstrel's musing. Our friend, Bubba Cool Beans Ranch, has stopped by to share some Babylonian philosophy. Are you ready to hear it, Max? I actually recorded it. Born ready. Right? Okay. Here we go. Born ready, Max. Go about the noise. You sound like Bubba.
[01:19:53] Unknown:
What's the difference between a genius and an idiot? It's complicated. That's the difference. A genius is simple. An idiot is complicated as fuck. You can never understand what they're saying. They can't explain shit. He's a wise man.
[01:20:11] Unknown:
He is wise. That is very wise. The smartest people are very good at just explaining something, and you go, oh, I know what you mean. Yeah. That makes sense.
[01:20:20] Unknown:
It doesn't take them 45 minutes to talk about 2 citadels.
[01:20:25] Unknown:
Yeah. And a fucking PowerPoint presentation, and you walk out going, am I dumb? I don't know what's going on here. I must be. No. They they can't be dumb. They use big words.
[01:20:37] Unknown:
It must be me. I'm dumb. Use the kiss method. Keep it simple, stupid. Good method. Indeed. Well, that's why we have Bubba on the show to share these things. I hope I hope you everybody leaves listening to, on government's foot's PMM thinking, I'm gonna be more simple because
[01:20:56] Unknown:
I don't wanna be an idiot. You certainly don't wanna be called an idiot by Bubba. No. No. No.
[01:21:02] Unknown:
Fucking idiot. I'm looking forward to the summer to spend some time with people like Bubba and other very good friends so we can sit around the campfire, play some guitar, sing some songs, and, spout a little philosophy of our own at our beloved Lake Satoshi. Hopefully, this time, Max puts in the right song. Just choosing his own Bob Seger songs and plugging them in there, it was better. Take away my inhibition. No better than
[01:21:45] Unknown:
Take away my solitude.
[01:21:47] Unknown:
You can take away your solitude at Lakes Toshi this summer, August 2nd Put me in the mood. 2025. Put yourself in the mood. The mood to do what? The mood to swim, play, jet ski, boat, camp, eat, sing, hug, love one another, be there with Bitcoin plebs, freedom sovereignty folks. Maybe just some strange weird hobos from Wolf would show up there to talk about farming and permaculture. Some train hobos might get dropped off at lake Satoshi. You can have a good time with them. Sounds magical. It is magical. I'm very much looking forward to it. I'm I've live a, a wonderful life. I'm so happy. I get to do things like go to North Dakota and go ice fishing, go to New York to Pub Key, and, have a meeting with with all the energy folks there and and learn from baseload about the energy markets. And, of course, I'm very fortunate to attend Lake Satoshi.
I'm sure that, I better take Sarah and the girls on a wonderful vacation this summer because I've gotten to do a lot of travel, and I'm gonna start getting shit about it. But hopefully, Sarah is gonna come with me to New York. So she'll be at Pub Key as well. And I intend on taking the entire family to Lake Satoshi. So it'll be like a little miniature family vacation. And you too could take your family to Lake Satoshi. If you're bringing an RV, please let them know so they have a plug for you. If they're not able to get a plug, you might need to bring a genset. So you have to coordinate that with the Lake Satoshi crew. But you can always show up with a, something to sleep in, tent Mhmm. Something thrown on the ground, couple sleeping bags. Bag. Yeah. Bring your own food, but they also have food there. A really cheap price. I assume it's gonna be $21. Again, that is just a donation. Mhmm. It isn't like they take the $21. This is really this is the Lake Satoshi people doing this out of their own pocket. Very, very special special event.
Once again, that's August 2nd, 2025. I just feel like I I typed this a lot. When are you Lake Satoshi again? August 2nd. 2nd. August 2nd. Put it in your calendars and diaries and things. Write it on your fridge. That's a good idea. Just write it on your fridge. Mhmm. And you go feed your fat ass or Mhmm. But you want you wanna have the good beach body there. So hopefully you're doing carnivore. I'm working on it, mate. You proud of me? Spare tire. I'm I'm oh, man. You know what? I'm proud of you in so many different ways. So if if you weren't losing weight by, you know, smashing out the weights at the gym and starving yourself with no carbs and going into ketosis and all this stuff, I'd still be proud of you. Oh, that's nice. Yeah.
I heard door close,
[01:24:30] Unknown:
so we might be in trouble here. Yeah. Similar thing going on here. Yeah. 11 kilos now I've done. That's nearly £25.
[01:24:39] Unknown:
Thank you very much. 25 pound man, if I could lose £25, I think I'd feel pretty fucking good. I'm feeling sick at the moment, so not Oh. As good as I could do. But I'm almost never sick as you know, and maybe that's the
[01:24:53] Unknown:
fat. I think fat helps. Test me. I think that certainly helps. You I think, like, having that layer of fat, you're a bit stronger as well as a general rule. Interesting. But, yeah, I do feel lighter on my feet. That's for sure. I'm gonna try and go for, like, I'm gonna try and go for about £30 in time. Wow. Wow. That'd be awesome. I don't know whether I'm gonna continue with Carnival Pass this month. I might just, like, come off a little bit because it's just so fucking boring.
[01:25:20] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yep. I don't like to try to do any kind of dieting in the wintertime. Mhmm. You know, you know, I work outside, so I I don't I don't need that shit. You need some blubber as well. It's true. I mean, it it's true. If you don't work outside, you don't fucking know. I mean, just because you you you, like, you go skiing or you do some kind of fun activity. When you're outside all day and the grind and it's fucking cold, it's like you just wanna get in and eat some food. Yeah. And you want a specific type of food. No one understands until until you felt the cold
[01:25:52] Unknown:
in your bones and your hands Yeah. And your joints. You've been outside in the freezing cold for an entire day. All you wanna do is come home and eat something that is hot, high fat. You wanna come home and just have, like, mashed potatoes with, like, a hot stew and meat. Yeah. If someone's like, oh, well, you know, you have a little chai seed and, you know, a bit of smoked salmon and Eat shit. Fuck off. Fuck you. No chance. Fucking no. Yeah. No. Do it do it it's it's the everyday thing.
[01:26:25] Unknown:
Sorry. You went skiing for the weekend. You were cold and shit. Do it every day. There's no fun to be had. You're just grinding. Anyway, I won't be losing any weight till till spring. Not doing it. Not doing it. Moving on and wrapping up the show. We have a piece that I wrote that will be available on ungovernablemisfits.com under writings. It is titled The Preservation of Punk and Hardcore Through Modern Mesh Taddells. Don't forget the struggle. Don't forget the streets. I was inspired by the Walter Shrefel song, an open letter to the scene and the life and death of former war zone front man, Ray Beasley. Now these these are people that actually, you probably don't know. Ray Beasley is from a band called Warzone. This is a New York hardcore scene in the late 80s early 90s.
Walter Treffels was part of those bands. He moved on to be in another band called Quicksand, which is a fantastic, like, alternative band. I think this isn't even, like, New York hardcore stuff. Quicksand is a really, really solid band, especially their first two albums. Great. But he did a little acoustic song after the death of Warzone frontman, Ray Beaz. And, so in listening to that song, it caused me to reflect on my own experience in the punk and hardcore scene in the late eighties and up to mid nineties. That song, it's kinda boring. You'll hear it at the end here. You you might not get it. It's just an acoustic song. But it sparked something in me.
What follows in this article is my story, my observations, and my take on what it means to keep the spirit alive in a world that's always trying to snuff it out. I grew up in the punk hardcore scene. Skater, surfer, played in a shitty punk band. Wore x's on my hands to signify I was nailed to the x as I was dedicated to it. But as time passed and that's that straight edge thing. I think you probably know that, Max. But as time passed and people grew, as they inevitably do, I watched the hardcore scene fall apart, sell out, cuck itself. The alternative music craze took over MTV, and the culture of my youth was swallowed whole. I watched straight edge kids abandon their ethos for drugs, alcohol and vice, or join Harry Krishna movements, which I'm not sure which is worse. Working class skinheads morphed into long haired Rastafarian wannabes singing Peter Tosh's legalize it, even though I think pick myself up is a far superior song. Liberty spiked and safety pin pierced gutter punks went to college and eventually became professors of gender studies or whatever worthless progressive philosophy they teach today. Back then, I had a zine.
It was just a few pages folded and stapled together. Nothing fancy. The only contributors were me and my friend Brian Blackburn, a guy who walked around the neighborhood with a 2 foot Knox gelatin mohawk. With that zine, we were trying to get noticed, trying to be cool enough to have something featured in maximum rock and roll. For those not familiar, maximum rock and roll was a DIY volunteer run zine that embodied the worldwide punk underground. It documented the music, the scene, and the politics that made punk more than music. Punk was smashing authority, rejecting corporate control, building something real.
And maximum rock and roll, it was the pinnacle for any punk who wanted their voice heard beyond a microphone.
[01:29:32] Unknown:
I have a question. Yeah. Is a zine a magazine for people who are too cool for the MAGA?
[01:29:40] Unknown:
No. Because usually it's just, like, some photocopied paper that, you know, you did, like, in flyer. Not not much different than a bunch of flyers stapled together Oh, okay. With some quick blurbs of of articles that would have been a zine. Yeah. Like, so you weren't big enough for the MAGA. Okay. MAGA. Got you.
[01:30:00] Unknown:
So it's not a magazine. It's like it's like a a a shit magazine. Yeah. Like a it's more of a brochure. Couple flyers stabled together.
[01:30:09] Unknown:
2nd question, your friend with the 2 foot mohawk? Brian Blackburn. Yeah. What color? Red. He was a ginger. Oh, okay. Very nice. A natural red or any diet? No. He he was a natural he was the natural ginger. So that orange ish, you know, ugly ginger bullshit. Sorry, gingers. Shout out to you, Brian. I remember one article I wrote for our little zine, not MAGA zine, that I was convinced would get published in maximum rock and roll. I ranted about the founding fathers of the United States, their masonic origins, their empire building, their land theft, their slave trading, blah blah blah blah. I was 15 at the time, so cut me some slack for being shallow, but my heart was in the right place. I don't feel like my writing today is is that much different now that I read that out.
I felt punk writing it, though. You get the sentiment. Fuck the government. Fuck the man. Fuck their systems of control. As the band Crass put it, big a, little a, bouncing b. The system might have got you, but it won't get me. But it did. They got me too. Even I sold out in a big way, I guess you could say, by signing up to kill for the man. So there it was. The skin sold out. Straight Edge Kids sold out. The gutter punks sold out. The members of the punk and hardcore scene I grew up with became crunchy granola liberals, progressive college professors, and some of the biggest proponents of the nanny state and political correctness.
The anti system, DIY ethos gave way to the Seattle grunge scene and corporate copycat posers like Blink 182, Green Day, Offspring, and Rancid. Yeah. They had punk roots, but they sold out harder than George Lucas to Disney. You already have a problem with that. Disney Star Wars? Yeah. Yeah. I do. You're very upset. And you recently found out that 2 people that you know and are close to are in a little secret Star Wars nerd group with me. I won't reveal who they are. Still gay. And here we are today. I'm getting those same vibes from the cypherpunk privacy and sovereign pleb communities we exist in. But the overall libertarian sound money community right now, The DIY in your face ethos is still there, but it's fraying at the edges.
Meetups like Lake Satoshi and Pub Key are keeping the spirit alive, providing spaces to connect and share ideas. Our mode of communication and expression has shifted. It's now Twitter, Telegram, and Nostra instead of zines printed at school or at the public library. Maybe you would have known what the what the zine was once I told you that I printed it at school or the public library where you had to put quarters in the the copy machine at the library. High qual. Yeah. The sellouts in our scene, they're everywhere. Some are taking Jack Dorsey money. That's interesting from our last conversation about Luke and Brinky. Others are kissing Elon's ass, and still more are begging Trump to save them while throwing tantrums when he doesn't deliver in the way they expect.
There are wannabe celebrities attending yacht parties, snapping open mouth selfies with famous influencers, looking like a nest of baby birds begging for the half digested food of engagement.
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I like that. Thank you.
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All the while, our oppressors continue grinding us underfoot just as they've done for 1000 of years. Enjoy your yacht party, But remember, those deck chairs aren't suitable flotation devices. My advice? Don't forget yourself. Don't forget the struggle. Don't forget the scene. What is the scene? What is the struggle? To me, the scene is still the DIY community. It's the sovereign plebian who looks to god, himself, his family, and his friends as a source of his thriving. The most punk thing you can be today is a homesteader. The most punk thing you can be today is someone who works tirelessly to build your 8 forms of capital, seeing financial capital as just one part of the ecosystem of sovereignty.
To me, the worldwide scene is the mesh jedel and the Ungovernable Misfits is a node within that mesh jadell. For the sovereign pleb, the stronger his node, the stronger the link between us all. And the stronger we all are, the closer we are to breaking free of their chains. To me, this is Ungovernable Misfits. This is the new punk movement built on hard work, community, integrity, love, family, and friendship. It's made up of people who were who will never sell out. Hopefully. The remnant who never lose sight of what brought them together in the first place. Ungovernable misfits will always be the remnant of that punk hardcore scene to me. The ones who never sold out.
Max and I talked to all of you about this on our first pod together over 3 years ago. We've been together for three and a half years, baby. Oh. I think that's why you and I are friends today. We find each other. We create these gigabit links between the mesh to Dell nodes. These bonds transcend culture and age. Hell, the hardcore scene was just a continuation of the seventies punk scene in London. And often, you'd see a 14 year old skanking in the pit with a 40 year old at an all ages show. Skanking is a dance. Nothing perverted there. That's what you were gonna say, Max. Could just I could just see it well enough in your brain. Yeah.
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You knew.
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I have this bond with so many of you in our Ungovernable Misfits community. And through this show, I hope we can build that community even more, supporting each other, encouraging one another, and trading goods and services outside of a system that treat us like chattel. Point being, we're an ungovernable punk scene in our own way, meeting at an all ages show, band practice in the basement, writing articles for a zine no one reads. So write those articles. Your zine is noster even, or your late night ramblings on a Telegram post. It can even be ungovernablemisfits.com or bugle.news.
Perhaps they are the new maximum rock and roll. Express yourself through music. Doesn't have to be the AI music everyone is so excited about nowadays. Bust out a guitar. Four power chords, intro verse, chorus verse, chorus. Take that shit to the bridge, chorus and outro, and you got yourself a song. Just need 4 chords and some lyrics. That's it. Plant a garden. Raise some chickens. Or better get cows, sheeps, and pigs. Teach your kids everything you know and don't know. Lift something heavy. Eat healthy. Build big resilient families.
Run a Bitcoin node and mine to that node. Get involved in your local. That's right. I said local community. Take a hard look at the skills you've lost or never learned and start working on them. Not now. Just after the outro music on this episode. Learn how to fix things, how to cook from scratch, how to build with your hands, learn basic first aid and emergency preparedness to handle injuries, power outages, or natural disasters without relying on external systems, Acquire backup means of communication, like a meshtastic or a VHF UHF handheld radio. Start preserving food by learning canning, fermenting, and dehydrating, which reminds me I need to order some barn jerky on the next next run.
Write code. Write code. I can't write code, but maybe you can. Write code and build something. Or have black coffee do it. Mhmm. Help someone secure their privacy. Share your knowledge freely and collaborate to create solutions that empower the individual over the system. Start a compost pile. Upcycle or whatever the fuck they call it. And start repairing instead of throwing things away and buying new. Of course, do all that without becoming a complete hoarder. I know that's easier said than done, and I say this from experience. Develop your own source of energy.
Be it natural gas generator, gas solar panels, or biodiesel, or a black diesel generator. Hell, hook up a tube to a cow's ass and mine Bitcoin off of that fart wind. Create a barter network or meshconomy, and trade goods and services with like minded people in your community with a larger mesh todell to build mutual aid and bypass the conventional cucked economy. This is the new hardcore punk DIY dissident scene. These are now the most punk activities you can participate in.
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Isn't that weird that a return to, like, nature relying on families, and yourself is the new punk.
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Mhmm. Maybe it's good we all sold out. Maybe. It it allowed us to see the other side of things and come around full circle. That's true. You being a sellout has made the change, specifically you. We wouldn't be here otherwise.
[01:38:48] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Good thing I sold out. Well, I'm back. Yeah. Well done.
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For all of you on Goverable Misfits, stay punk. Never sell out. And be an inspiration to others, or else they'll sell out or never even be punk in the first place. I hope this message lights a fire in all of your collective asses to never forget the struggle that brought you here. Remember the blood, sweat, and raw determination that shaped who you are and why you got involved in Ungovernable Misfits in the first place. Never forget the streets that led you here. The cracked pavement, the make shift venues, the late night conversations, the frustrations, hopes, and dreams you shared with loved ones around the fire, the bonds formed in rebellion and hope. Carry that spirit forward and let it guide you to build something greater, something real, something that cannot be bought or broken.
Stay true. Stay punk. Stay a misfit. Stay
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Ungovernable? Yeah. Stay ungovernable.
[01:39:59] Unknown:
I that's a standing order. You say ungovernable whenever I pause, and it's time to say ungovernable.
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I could tell it was, and I I had to unmute myself from coughing.
[01:40:08] Unknown:
We we can try that over again if you want. That's fine. Alright. We'll leave it there. Comfortable. Yeah. And thank you everybody for listening to this episode of PMM.
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Oh, that was a nicely written zine, mate. Thanks. So going back to my roots.
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I'd have loved to have seen you Oh, man.
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In your Oh, my god. Hotcakes.
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I'd love to have seen you in your household toys. Now he just looked like a skater. Had long hair.
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Straight edge your skin, head off both of the same time. Don't forget the struggle. Don't Don't forget the struggle. Don't forget the streets. Don't sell out an open letter to the scene.
P m m. A number of p's and m's in this episode.
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There's the perfect amount, you could say. You could say perfect. I'm glad you mentioned that. The only thing I would like is if it was more perfectly balanced. Like, if the p was somehow in the middle of the 2 m's, the balance would be nicer.
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Oh, this this is your o OCD autism speaking.
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Yeah. You know what I mean, though. I do know what you mean. Yeah. Mhmm. And then I'd wanna turn the p 90 degrees as well. Okay. So have a a sideways
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p buttressed by these masculine m's.
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Yeah. I think that'd be nice.
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Okay. Well, you're the artist, so I default to you on these things. Thanks, mate. Hey. Before we get started on this show, I would like to mention another podcast. We often mention other podcasts, and some some people might think that that's a bad idea, but it's not. This is a a community here that we're building, a a mesh todell and other podcasts are nodes in that mesh todell. Our good friends, Otis Bittmeyer and Mister Fundamentals have created their own new, podcast on coffee. Have they named it yet? They have named it. It is called Sound Coffee.
Sound Coffee. Mhmm. So unlike black coffee, we get a lot of coffees in our sphere. We all drink coffee. I wonder why. Adrenal fatigue. Sound coffee. I like that. Yeah. I'm I'm really looking forward to listening. They just dropped an episode last night, but, of course, I am in PMM mode, and I can't consume anything else while that's happening. But once we're done recording, I'll do some chores, and I will be sure to tune in to Sound Coffee. They call it a metaphysical
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cafe. Okay. And so they'll be talking about coffee and what how to make it, how to roast it, and different types and all that kind of stuff, will it be? I imagine so. Yeah. The first episode looks like it's, them telling
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people, their listeners, their coffee origin stories. Mhmm. Tune in. I will. Also, before we start this episode of PMM, episode 10, I'd like to once again mention our Otis Bittmeyer coffee giveaway with some grinders. By the time this episode releases, it'll be almost ready for me to pick the winners, which I said I will do February 1st. One thing interesting that I noticed is early January, I put out this tweet letting everybody know about how wonderful Otis Bittmeyer's coffee is. And if you're a member of the Meschdel, you get, like, these early notices as to when he's brew not not brewing. When he is roasting. Like, he doesn't just put it out there. He doesn't have a website.
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You you gotta know. You know what I mean? Invite only.
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That's right. They'll let you know. And so I I put that out on Twitter, and then we got you know, did some numbers there and reminded people on the last action news, so on and so forth. But on the Noster, which still not 100% sold on the content that's on Nostr, but the community is great. And so it still has legs. Like, even people that I haven't heard from in years that are super Nostr people or that were deeply involved in the mesh to del, like, Shishi reposted it the other day on Nostril. I was like, wow. Shishi. I haven't heard from him in forever. No. I mean So it it's neat to see the action over on Nostril.
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There's more of a vibe of how it felt sort of 5, 6 years ago, maybe on Bitcoin, Twitter. Some of it might be algorithm or whatever, but I definitely felt like it used to be more fun. Like it was funny. I'd be amused with what I would see and it, it felt like we were the underdogs fighting against the globalist elites and it was all a bit silly and like, are we crazy? I'm not really sure. And then it started to get a bit serious and culty and salery and licking his asshole and all the Ew. Kind of that kind of stuff. Nasty. What's our little guy's name? Nasty. What's his name? Lester Sinclair
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from the Energy Information Agency.
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Yeah. And Nosta feels a bit more fun and vibrant. I just still I don't know if you find this, but, like, I just can't really use it very well still. Mhmm. I go there and then someone's written. I'm like, oh, someone's, like, replied to me, and I'm like, oh, I'll I'll look at their response. Oh, hold on. How do I see their message? Like, I can never see what I want to see, and I'm not sure why. I've got a problem with,
[00:04:36] Unknown:
replies. I have Danus telling me that it's come up, but I don't have Danus set up to where I can zap people so I can jump back on the primal so I can zap somebody. And then I have found out, and I'm not even sure if this is the case or not, but I want to zap people's replies to me, and then it sends a notification that To yourself. Somebody's to myself. Yeah. I don't know what the hell is going on. I, like, can't wait for all the boosts here to everybody to insult us about how we can't figure out Noster. Hey. Hey, buddy. I got a lot of shit going on in my life. It's really weird. Who was it who reached her? Because I said something like,
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why the fuck am I trying to boost someone else or, like, noster, whatever. I'm trying to zap someone else, and then I'm zapping myself. I was just like, this is so stupid. Like, why does this not make any sense? And then someone smart responded saying they were having the same problem, and I was like, oh, good. Makes you feel good, doesn't it, when the smart people respond? Yeah. Who was it? Was it 8th mirthrand dear? He's a smarty. Someone said it, and I was like, okay. It's not just me. Anyway, I'm glad to hear that your post did well there. We're giving a little, hat tip to Nostar. So there you are. That's the cross. There there you are, Nostar, from, 2 guys that have done nothing but bitch about it forever. Yeah.
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Kudos to the community there. I look forward to giving people and sharing some coffee with everybody. Looking forward to that. Whether you're smart, stupid, regular coffee, or decaf Mhmm. PMM is the show for you.
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For your safety. Big pharma, big banks, income tax, VAT. The Illuminati Elite, cultural Marxism, critical theory.
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You are nothing. You are nothing to me. You're a useless fucking cunt. You are nothing to me.
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Listeners of BM, Umesh Dadelians, webminers, you are everything to us. We love you. We appreciate you. And welcome to this episode of man m. M. M. I fuck you. Hello, man.
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Hello, John. I don't fucking hate you. No. I love you. Pedophile. I love you too. I love you as much as a Hollywood pedophile loves no. No. Don't go there. That joke is too Don't go there. It's too dark.
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It was too dark. We try to be a little lighter on the PMM episodes. You know, I the action news is so frantic and wild and goofy and silly. And then I I I try to be more sincere on the PMM episodes. You're a sincere guy. Mhmm. We tend not to curse as much. Really? I tend not to curse as much on the PMM shows. Yeah. Okay. It's intentional.
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Mhmm. We've had so many requests to not curse as much. Yeah. We do get a lot of those. I start to get them a couple of times now in my fiat life as well, just like from having kids. I'm so used to I only speak to people that I are not really involved in fiat life. I think I'm just so used to just speaking without even thinking that fucks and cunts and shits just come out of my mouth even when I'm, like, going to nursery or something like that. Do you know what? Because I don't think about it. Or missus would be like, do you do you maybe not say cunt at nursery? I'm like, yes.
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Sorry about that.
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Yeah. That's that bloke with a dirty mouth. Yeah. Just like disgusting mouth. So I'm starting. I'm trying. I'm trying to reel it in a little bit. But just know that when I say it, it's sincere.
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I know. I know that. Comes from a place of love. Yeah. Well, what do we have up on this episode of PMM? Looks like we got, oh, I wanna make an announcement. Here here. Announcement. Baseload. Bam. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Base load.
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I was trying to do one of these. I was using plastic on glass. Listen to this. That's better. That's metal glass. That's that's the it's getting everybody's attention.
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Attention, everyone. Sorry. Your ears hurt now. Yep. Baseload is doing an event at the PubKey. So now we're really starting to have a relationship with PubKey, with our gay little robot, man, being there with foundation devices and and Zach and teaching everybody how to use their foundation passport
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and the other product. What's the other product called? Passport Prime. Passport Prime. Yeah. How creative. I know. I've not got my hands on one yet. I'm looking forward to that. I bet you are. March.
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Yeah. Well, Baseload is going to be doing an energy summit, micro energy summit at the Pub Key. And if anybody has tuned in recently to another podcast, the Pubkey podcast, he was on there rapping about energy. Mhmm. He will be doing an event at Pubkey on March 10th March 10th. And guess who will be there? The Gay Little Robot? No. Me, the badass American. Oh, you can't call yourself that just because one person says it in the comments. Yes. I can. Yeah. I can. Yeah. Pie said it though. So it means a lot more. One person. Yeah. Okay. But he's he's as much as he, stopped drops and boosts, he's, like, 10 people. That's true. He has his own section of the show. He sure does. Yeah. If you are able to and want to learn about energy, this won't be, necessarily bitcoin mining energy usage. This will be just be the energy industry in general.
You want to do some deep dives. You want to hear a baseload rap about energy and have me go back and forth with him in that kind of blue collar regular guy questions that I I tend to ask people. Mhmm. I think you're gonna have a good time. You're gonna really get to understand the energy markets in a unique and personal way. So if you're around, March 10th, Pub Key, New York City,
[00:10:33] Unknown:
come on down. I presume if you're not in New York City, you could tune into it as well. Is there some sort of, like, live stream? Or Don't know yet. We're we're still working that out. If there's not and they don't put it anywhere, maybe we could host it here as well. Of course. I would expect nothing less. The Ungovertible Misfits family is growing. Our reach is growing. We're creeping into all corners of different communities,
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sovereign community, permaculture community, Bitcoin community, privacy community, Cypherpunk. We're all over the place. We are. Also up on this episode of PMM, we have productive mill rights and meadow keepers, mesh to del supernodes. I'm actually not gonna tease that anymore because if you don't know who the productive millwright is or the meadow keeper is in our Ungovernable Misfits community, I feel bad for you by this point, but we'll update you. Also on this episode of PMM, we have producers promising mentorship and mastery, but they are met with mediocrasy and mistrust, finding and fostering human capital.
We did have a article from Charles Francois Bienvenue Muriel, but it looks as though he hasn't completed it yet. So we will shelve that, but you will hear from him very soon. He fell asleep on his quill. I imagine he writes it with a quill. Oh, I would expect nothing less. Mhmm. Yeah. Actually, that is what happens. He I I don't have to guess. He scans it over to me. Mhmm. He is that technically adept. It's not a letter. He sends a PDF of a handwritten quill ink That's correct. Yeah. On parchment. Mhmm. Coffee stained. Mhmm. May have spilled his ink well.
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A face print where he's fallen asleep on it.
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Also up on this episode of PMM. We have a philosopher's pit stop, a minstrel's musing. Our friend Bubba, Cool Beans Ranch, shares some more Babylonian philosophy. This wise old man and his musings are going to be played live for you on this show. Actually, Called him up, made him buy a microphone. Wow. Forced him to record things. Shook him awake. I poked him with a stick. He's asleep with his feet up out by the fire in the desert with his dog, Waylon Jennings. I poked him with a stick that I found. That sounds nice. Mhmm. Bubba, wake up. Say some interesting things.
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Bubba, wake up. Buy a mic. Say some interesting things so that we can use it for our show. That's correct. Yeah.
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Users. And finally, we'll finish the show with the preservation of punk and hardcore through modern mesh todels in a piece I wrote called don't forget the struggle, don't forget the streets. A group of people that never forget the struggle, never forget the streets is our supporters, broadcasting 2.0 supporters. Our last episode of PMM, which was in November, actually. I'm not counting our 2 Christmas episodes as anything but specials. So, technically, PMM episode 9, the previous one was in November. And from that, we received 180,000 SATs worth of podcasting 2.0 support.
Thank you, everyone. Very much so. As a side note, both of those Christmas episodes of ours where we, had a guest host are wonderful, but very mean and nasty and hurtful and bullying, really. Mhmm. Producer Jordan was on with us. And he's doing his, like, oh, I'm nice. I'm a nice Canadian guy and and everything.
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Straight actor. Fucking phony. Can I just tell you before you continue with all of that is me and Jordan have had a real fallout?
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He's really he's really fucked me off in a big way. What did you do? What did you do wrong? Because I know it's your fault. I was I can't give too much away. I was
[00:14:25] Unknown:
testing a thing that's being built because I'm considered to be the final boss in terms of if it gets through my testing, my rigorous testing, we're all good. We aren't all good. And the thing that I was testing managed to completely destroy my laptop, which runs all my hosting. That's great. My nodes, lightning channels, fucking everything, completely fucked. Like, won't turn on, won't cooperate with me at all after doing some testing. I've told Jordan that when I next see him or when I see him properly in person, he's gonna get a swift kick in the nuts. I'll cuddle him afterwards, maybe 10, 15 minutes after when I've cooled down, but Mhmm. It's coming. I'm really I'm really, really gonna kick him hard. While we are going ice fishing together, do you want me to, like, throw him in a lake or something? It could be nice. Okay. Do something. Okay. I wanna be the person that really administers the pain. Oh, okay. You know what I mean? I don't want I don't wanna sort of water down in any way or anyone else to get the pleasure of doing that. Yeah. But yeah. Something. You know, like, put, like, a frozen fish down his boxes while he sleeps or something like that. Out of that. Out of that.
Campy. Just a couple of frat boys. Anyway, back to, slagging him off, that fucking Canadian. Mhmm.
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On our wonderful, Christmas episodes where our our sweet, cute, wonderful Canadian friend was on with us, those episodes garnered almost 300,000 sets worth of support to the show. That was a buzz buzz. You very much. Alright. We have some, podcasting 2.0 boosts to read, and we are gonna hard cap these things at 10 minutes. Also, we are only allowed to comment on one of these each. So, Max, if you come across one, that's awesome. You may, you may read it. Okay. 1 in the whole thing. Yeah? Yeah. Just one. Okay. Otherwise, you gotta shut your mouth. Yeah. And me me too. And did we
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because I said about never mind the buzzcocks and taking their thingy. Did you find a thing for the soundboard, or should I do an actual timer on my phone? I would I have my phone out. I'm just gonna do a timer. I'm gonna do one as well. I don't have a sound. I have a sound. Oh, okay. Alright.
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You're up first. Solex
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with 50,000 sats. Nice. What a guy. Just for the intro, fucking want to burn it all down. Thanks for being out there, you fuckers. A bright burning fart ignition light in the darkness. Gross, childish, and utterly hilarious. How other people take offense. Making the world a bit brighter, 1 fart at a time.
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1 fart at a time. Late stage hobble,
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31,113 sats. What a great coughing start to the show. This one too. Oh, this one too. I'm always sick. The movie you were thinking of was Zombieland. It was Zombieland. Yeah. Some bitch. I I actually quite enjoy that. Yeah. It's a good one. 28 days later, zombies are too fast, but World War z zombies are the most terrifying. That scene of the climbing the wall, if that's what we got, then fuck it all. I'm dead. If Brad Pitt can barely run fast enough, then my fat ass ain't gonna make it.
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You just gotta be savvy. You can make it. Next up is unpronounceable cunt. Pohjanmes, pohanmes. I'm still gonna continue to to pronounce whatever pohjanmes is wrong just because it's fun. 10 years ago, I was a strong bear
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work oh, is that right? Gay thing. Yeah. That's a gay thing. Hey, high loop of Janmies. Yes, please. You don't get to see all the emojis, but it's 10 years ago, I was a fisting fingering bear. Woah. That's what it says.
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Alright. That's what it says. Sorry. After I just said we're not as raunchy on PMM. Okay. So working on the construction site, working out after fiat grinding, and my bonus exercise running cross country. But now I'm an office bitch. I get laid and have to follow stupid orders to get paid in fiat. Although, there is a gym in the office for us retarded office workers, I barely manage to go once a week. In that sense, I'm the cunt and Max is the lord, But it's still me who drinks the raw woman raw milk. So who is the real cunt? Always Max. That's the answer.
It's a deep question, but, yeah, probably as a general rule, it is me. I hope Pajammi's in in hearing this. He hears his own words being read back to himself and goes, you know what? I'm gonna go down to that gay little office gym and do something. Yeah. Get in there, mate. Do it. Even if it's just one extra day, even if it's just 10 press ups.
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Just it's about getting the ball rolling. That's the thing. Bugle news. Jolly good episode chaps. Chet, love you cunts. Love you too. Hashlatette, hashtag free samurai.
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Indeed. Fomochronic,
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a little love heart thing. Thank you, Fomochronic. Savvy Gringo, great episode. Rev Huddle, structured water is one of the most worthwhile
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woo woo rabbit holes to fall down. I don't even know what the fuck that means, but okay. We're gonna do it. We're we're gonna get a structured water in here. I just want to talk to somebody who's really learned on the subject. I don't even know what is a structured water? Structured water is the water that actually comes from the earth. Okay. It it isn't filtered water. It isn't, you know, industrial municipal water. Mhmm. Its its molecules are pointed a certain way. It isn't simply to say h two o equals h two o from whatever its sources are. Like, from a spring or something. Yeah. There's a whole thing to it, and it isn't just the trace minerals that are in it too. It's like molecular structure. Okay.
As a matter of fact, when I go see Chet, he goes to this place called Climax Springs and gets all of this water from there. It is called Climax. Yeah. Climax. He he really likes like, he's always yeah. I brought some Climax water for you. You know, he carries it wherever he goes, refuses to drink anything else. It's a woo woo rabbit hole that that we'll we'll get down there someday, just not in existence. Alright. Next up, we have Bubba. The 2 funniest and useful cunts on the inner tube. I really, really like you guys. Until we fuck, I can't get to love. It's generational. Don't worry about it. No. The wife is sleeping when I listen, but I told her about the lactose intolerant smell. She laughed. My training is complete. John, I have to ask why she's with me. She says she's racist and likes only fat white boys who forget to bathe regularly, but make her either cry or laugh.
I can do both. Multitalented. Max, get whacked out and angry and work out. That's my motto also. And by workout, I mean pour a stiff drink and smoke a fag. Works for me. I really enjoy a good fag. Cowboy desert smoking and a bunch of emojis. Next up is brother a I b l e, ASIC instructions before leaving earth. Great workout advice from brother Max. In brother John's case, the biggest piece of advice I have is start where you're at. You may not have the hours to crush it in the gym. You may be tired from work, but not training will make you a weak man like the Pharisees. When you get home, start with one set of pull ups, set of dips, then grab that spare tire and hurl it towards the heavens with righteous fury. Your spare tire or the one in the yard? Ayoo.
I can say that as mine's gone. Oh, oh, congratulations to you, mister carnivore man. No more bulking. After, you will start to feel good, and you may want to do more. But even if you don't, at least you did something. When it comes to training month over month, you're far better off to do a half ass workout than no workout at all. When things kick off, you'll need that strength to protect your family. Strength I still got. Never lost that. That gorilla back. It's the flexibility and cardiovascular that I think that I've probably lost over the years. I'm not cranking out 300 pound bench anymore. Those days are long gone, but I can still lift heavy things. But, man, the flexibility is like,
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that's bad. Mine's terrible as well. Just having enough to, like, be able to run a 100 meters without dying is quite useful. Like, I've thought about that a lot. I'm like, yeah, things really kick off, like, 20, 30 seconds of fighting. I'll be on my ass because I'm so unfit or, like Yeah. Yeah. You know, a a 100 meter sprint. You can be as strong as you want. Like, I can lift this. It's like, okay. Go and fight someone for 30 seconds. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Fucking puffing.
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Yeah. Alright. That was your comment. You got it. Yeah. Sure. You got it in. You're done now. Okay. Here we go to pies. What? You were gonna say something? No. It's just zip. That was me zipping my mouth. Zip it up. Alright. Here's our pies section. Hey. Jingity, Jing. Get on get on. Alright, Pies. What do you got to tell us? He tells you, Max, don't be a bitch. I'm always on my David Goggins. Like my idol, mister Goggins, I've worked out with ligament damage and fractured bones. Do I regret these things? Absolutely not. Am I in constant pain doing construction work with an unhealed lingering injuries and arthritis throughout my body? Yes. Do I cry like a bitch? Hell no.
No crybaby bitch shit, Max. Man up, homie. What would you do if you're about to get jumped in the prison yard? I I guess you'd be huffing and puffing out of breath. Would you curl up like a baby, get beaten without fighting back? Man up, soldier. Let's fucking go. Come out the dirty jersey and work out with the pies. He also says, USA as hard as fuck, son. Get them, John. Max, you cunt. US at number 1. Great thing I'm doing on that shit. Y'all 2 make me laugh every week. I think you still should do a daily comedy hour skip. Maybe we could. No. I always thought Max was short for Maxine.
Is it not? This boost is for John, and we all eat. Thank you both for your service, gentlemen. Salute to you. Thank you, sir. Yo, booyaka, booyaka, gun, gun, gun, gun, gun, rocket, cookie, drinking, all the stuff he puts on the great brand of shit. Max sucks. Let's fucking go, stop, drop, and boost. I do pull ups, weights, runs, all types of cardio, and even yoga. That's cool. And I meditate. And if anyone got something to say about that, we can knuckle up on my construction site in Jersey. Booyaka, booyaka. 45 seconds. Let's
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go. Wartime. Good to hear from Chet. The beast warrior. Fire. Fire. Fire. Cyborg. Glasses emoji. Mhmm. Eric f j. Okay. At Ungovernal Misfits, you're my new favorite show. How the fuck did I not listen to you guys sooner? I don't know, mate. I'm not allowed to come out, actually. It's your fault. Well, welcome. Nosta gang. Vaginal blood farts can be used as a form of ink. Blot art. You're welcome.
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Man, nailed it. Oh, listen.
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Woah. Listen to that timing.
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Wicked. Wicked. Didn't know what I did. What about you, everyone? Ridiculous coughing. Oh, fuck off.
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I coughed so much last night that I actually threw up. Lot of throw up in that house. Lot of throws. Yeah. It's not good. Well, thank you for all the boost. We appreciate them. It really does keep the show going. So to the new listeners, Eric, FJ, and anyone else out there, thank you for joining. Absolutely.
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Max, I gotta go get some water. My throat's a little parched. K.
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I'm gonna go do away anyway. Alright. See you.
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There he is. Are you ready?
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Mhmm.
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Up next on this episode of PMM, we have our productive millwrights and meadow keepers, our mesh to del supernodes. Who do you think those mesh to del supernodes are? You asking me? Yeah. Yeah.
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2 spring to mind at the moment. There's possibly a third in the works. Oh, no. But Mhmm. I would say one is that disgusting little gremlin, that little wood dwelling creature, Ben Gunn. Mhmm. The second would be the cool American cattleman, untapped growth.
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Yeah. And am I am I allowed to call him an American badass? Because I'm not referring to myself.
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Yeah. I would say he's he definitely is 1. You're a stretch.
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You know what's funny about Ben Gunn and the untapped growth organization, I I should say, they call themselves Smoke River Ranch. That's a new Twitter account that they Sounds like a whiskey. Smoke smoke it does sound like they should make a whiskey. They should. Is is, you know, they're they're these these two groups of people, 2 guys doing amazing things, and then they have their American and British counterparts that just talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're little buddies that go and ask them questions and shit. Yes. Of course. We're talking about Ben Gunn and untapped growth, and they are big parts of the mesh Jadel, and they are sort of mesh Jadel supernotes. So in in that Mhmm. That Citadel
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theory that everybody had that they like to talk about, oh, man. When Bitcoin goes up, I'm gonna build the biggest thing, and there you all can come, and we're gonna do all this stuff. Well, these guys these guys actually built it. And it isn't quite as glorious
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as as you may think. It's a lot of hard work. It's a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, and money, and effort. Mhmm. They're doing it, and we're here to talk about it. Max, I guess we can go over Ben Gunn first, what he's up to. You recently did a, went there into the woods, into the madness with him. Almost, probably almost died a couple times, it sounds like. Mhmm. That was a great episode. I had, a lot of back and forth with SolEx over the weekend, and I told him as I and I said this to you and Jordan. As I listened to the episode, I happened to be kind of down that day. I don't know why. I think because I was stuck in the house, like, doing administrative stuff, cleaning, laundry. And that kind of tends to make me depressed if I'm not outside in in the sun or in the cold or heat or whatever and doing physical labor. That's as I've said many times on the show, that's where I'm comfortable.
And I said, I'm gonna go shovel snow outside. And I put that episode on, and it was just fitting. I was on the tractor. It was shoveling snow. It was freezing freaking cold listening to that episode, and I felt great again. I felt revived, rejuvenated. I knew that, you know, there were people out there really getting the work done, doing great things, and I felt great again. A lot of the time, I thought of SolEx because you guys on that episode mentioned Mesheddell many times. And even in a lot of SolEx's earlier writings, in the Citadel 21 article that he did describing the Mesh Jadel, he's you know, what are we gonna do? I'll go to Ben Gunn's? You know? So that one that was years ago. It was 2021, I think.
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Yeah. Well, that first call, I think, that we did with the Mesh Jadel that you jumped on to, I think Ben was on that as well, wasn't he? Mhmm. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. I believe so. So the these things have been in the works for a long time, and, well, that's what it takes.
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It isn't just become rich and all of a sudden you have a citadel. But also, I a lot there was a lot of feedback that people didn't quite understand what was going on, so I thought maybe you could put it into layman's terms Mhmm. As to what he has going on there. And a lot of Americans who just couldn't actually understand what he was saying. Yeah. I've watched a lot of Guy Ritchie movies, so I didn't have a problem. People saying that he sounded like the Pike out of, who was it? He played Brad Pitt. Yeah. The Brad Pitt one. You like bags? Or, or just that they couldn't understand him at all. I told him that, and, he said to a fuck him, was basically his response. So exactly what he should say. It's, yep, it's really not that hard. I mean, it's No. It's not. Blowing it. People are just being assholes.
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It was actually a lot more civilized this time around than the first time I visited. I don't think people maybe fully appreciate like, it was good that you were in the snow, shoveling snow and cold on your tractor going around because that's basically how Ben Gunn has lived most of his time for the last sort of 5 years is up in the woods in the middle of nowhere, sleeping in a fucking shed on the floor with his dog, doing dangerous shit to make this vision possible. And the first episode to now, whatever it's been 4 years, 5 years, he's come a long, long way. You know, he's got a massive load of woodlands, which is the, like, the timber business. And since I first saw him, not only does he now have the land and the whole crew working on it, but he also has, all the milling and everything that he's bought. So he has his own mill. He has a load more equipment.
Now another piece of land with a big warehouse and places for people to stay, shared workspaces, and an area where you can actually build whatever it is, whether it's something in the tech world or something in the physical world. It's somewhere you could go. So it's been pretty cool to see how far he's come. And he's a fucking crazy individual that puts himself through it. I think he's one of these guys. He'd sort of needs to test himself all the time and needs to put himself through some pain. Otherwise, he doesn't feel like he's going forward. Basically, the exact opposite to a lot of what I see on Bitcoin Twitter. Like, people have made a few quid.
Yeah. Got all comfy, giving advice from their armchair, and, not really putting in the work. Like, he's he's really been, suffering along, but it now means that we do have this super node. And it's, it's accelerating now. Like, I think the next 6 months, a year, we're gonna see some really big things. Having black coffee on board as well is good. Someone being able to, like, pull him in where he needs to be pulled in, make some of the more technical stuff that he has ideas on possible. And just like a trusted individual Mhmm. When you're putting everything on the line to build these things, you need someone that you can just really trust. And that's what he's got with coffee. It's just like Oh, yeah. You can you can trust me, mate. No problem.
Seeing those 2 work together was, was really, really cool. It gave me a real buzz to see, okay, 2 of my friends who I really have a lot of respect for are now working closely together and building something I think is gonna be incredible for people who really want to, not just talk to actually do the things that we talk about.
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Sick of the talk, which is why that made me feel so good to tune into that episode. I even text Black Coffee afterwards. I said, boy, Ben Gunn's impression, he was pretty fucking hilarious. Oh, what a cunt, mate.
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Ben was telling me he was something like, he had some, like, clever security system to, like, track people on the land and, like, that linked to his cameras and did all this special stuff. And it was like a Chinese manufacturer. It's like, oh, fucking paid all these different people to try and fix it, and no one can fix it. And absolute nightmare. And everyone's giving me these, like, detailed reports with all these costings, and it might be this and it might be that. It's just a fucking nightmare. Koffe came along. I was like, yeah. Can I have a cup of tea, mate? He's like, yeah. Yeah. I'll I'll whack one on. Yeah. So, do you think you can get into this today? And he's like, oh, no. I finished it, mate. I've just updated this and I've done that. And he's like, well, you've done it. He's like, yeah.
I'm excited to see those 2 together, and, they are both just very understated, and I really like that. Like, they just get down. They grind. There's no flashy nonsense.
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There's no massive chat. It's just they get shit done. K. I I have some questions, and feel free to just tell me, no. You're not gonna those or not because I never know what is what is consumable for the the public, or you have to be kind of our inner circle type of deal. So this is the same place that he's been the whole time where he No. He buy this is not the same place? No. It's it's near, but it's a second second site. Does he still have the old place? Yes. Okay. So my my understanding, you know, and and I'm gonna recap people if if they, haven't been back to listen to those episodes. He he buys this, like, hillside of land. It's, it's totally overgrown. It was a working, working forest at one time.
Nobody really wanted to come in and do the work because of his difficult terrain. He's like, fuck it. He comes from Thailand, comes back from his scuba diving lifestyle and decides, I wanna be this this monk in the forest. But he does it. He figures it out. He figures out how to how to, you know, get these overgrown trees that are kinda laying on each other, cut them up, get them out, make this a working forest. He does well there, then moves on. Now he's moving on to another
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project or something close by and doing something similar. Yeah. It's it's basically he wanted the whole vertical. So, like, from getting the wood out the ground to actually whether it's firewood or milling for whatever, fence posts or Mhmm. Or as far as, like, actually making furniture or making, like, finished products. He wants that whole vertical. So everything is possible through him and, the two sites. As an example, him and Koffi were testing. They'd made these, like, little oak blocks that were like Genesis block laser engraved into a, like, a beautiful oak block that he had sat as a paperweight.
And it's like, I grew that. My guys cut it down. It went through the mill. It came to coffee. He did some stuff on the computer, made the design. He banged it out. There's a finished product. And because he then owns all of the equipment the whole way through, it means that he can offer that to trusted people. So he can say, you've got this idea for a piece of art. Do you want some timber to create this totem pole or whatever it is you wanna make and speak to coffee, and he can then take your design and put that into CAD, and he can help tweak it and make it how you want it. And rather than me having to go to, I don't know, where I'd even start really to do some of the stuff that I have ideas for. Like, find someone who has the machinery and then hire it and hire their expertise. Like, suddenly something that's probably gonna take 30, 40 minutes to actually mill or make is costing you 1,000 and 1,000 of pounds.
He already has the equipment there. And when it's not actually being used, he's happy to, for a small fee Mhmm. Have other trusted people come and build some cool stuff if they're the right types. Because as he was explaining in the pod, if you open yourself up to the general public, it's a fucking nightmare, and it becomes very expensive because people wanna sue you or they don't turn up and then you know, just the bullshit that comes with it. So if he knows, okay. This person's solid. They're not gonna fuck around. We already know them. We trust them. Suddenly, the cost of production comes
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way, way down. Keep that in mind because as we speak to the next mesh well, supernode and the problems that he's dealing with, they're gonna run into the same thing. And it's something that I think us as, you know, the community organizing side of things, the social capital strong side of things that maybe we can help in this, because it's definitely a struggle that they're all having. So he owns the he owns the resources. He owns the land. He owns the ability to produce things on it. And the key thing that he's going to be missing is the human capital side of things. You encourage people to visit there.
What could they experience while they're visiting, sleeping on the floor of a a shack and running around the woods or something more nuanced than that? At the moment,
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I would say it's still rough. You're not gonna be comfortable there. That's good. That's a qualifier. You might sleep in a static, or you might sleep in a shed, or in a tent, or whatever. You're gonna be out in the cold in a very much like a working environment. If you're sort of, like, thinking, oh, I've got a final product that I wanna make right this second and, you know, I I want, like, a polished experience. It's not that yet. Mhmm. But it will very quickly get there. I mean, they can literally take timber and, like, start making buildings and sheds and shacks and stuff like Mhmm. The press of a button. It's one of those things that's gonna accelerate very quickly. But, yeah, it's it's not quite there yet, but I feel confident and comfortable to give a vision of where it goes.
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I know Ben, and I know coffee, and Mhmm. I know they're not bullshitters. And I've seen it. I can smell where it's going. You know, I I remember when ONTAP Growth was doing their their big push to buy the land and move everything down to Oklahoma. And there was a lot of talk about maybe Ben going over there and starting a forestry program in Oklahoma or, you know, bringing things over from the UK. Oh, that's impractical. I I remember these these mesh to Dell conversations from back then. And recently, Joel shared with me some tiny homes that they were interested in purchasing.
And they're sort of like the trailer sized, you know, the American, single wide. That's what I mean. That's what I mean by trailer or or single wide. It's not not an Airstream, type size. But they were pretty reasonably priced. And they were like $100,000 each. And when he sent me that, I looked through. I was like, man, even from the UK, I wonder if Ben could do better than $100,000 in shipping them over. I don't know. That's the whole mesh economy thing that that we all need to work on. There's so many moving parts here, and we're not importer exporter types. We're just guys that know how to do stuff. Well, I think,
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depending on the import and export, that's where, like, the money gets lost, like the taxes and the bullshit and the stuff in between where you have to touch Fiatland. But when it comes to, like, sourcing the raw materials, there's no middleman. And then when it comes to creating, building some things, like, there's many people that I'm not mentioning because I don't know whether I can or not. Yeah. I I always struggle with that too. Yeah. But there are very, very good builders, welders. There are people from, to how much I can say, all the way through the construction industry who are very closely linked to, like, me and Ben and and Coffey and others who are trusted and very, very good at what they do. And then there's all the technology that's going in there. So you've got really competent, capable people that can source all the materials at very, very low prices. You won't get them lower. And then they have the tech capabilities to make things much more efficient. So it's not someone building with a chisel. It's Mhmm. With a CNC machine. Yeah. Yeah. In theory, things should be much better built and much cheaper.
I would think it's possible. It's just that maybe we know someone who, like, can operate in that shitty import export taxi bullshit. We might we might know somebody. Yeah. There's a few people that come to mind that I think actually know a lot about shipping. Mhmm. Maybe that's where some help will be needed. But in terms of, like, can they produce really high quality buildings with the best types of insulation and everything else for low cost? And when someone orders it, they know they're not gonna be fucked around because they're part of this group. Yeah. I think so. I think we're not long away from that at all, being able to produce buildings and structures and things to the exact spec that someone wants and completely sidestepping all the fiat fuckery Mhmm. With the exception of the shipping and the bullshit. Yeah. I think we're there. Just to recap on Ben's history
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with Ungovital Misfits. You can go back into our library and search for you can't live in a Bitcoin. I believe that was was it the first one? Or you can't eat sats? Think it's you can't eat sats. Max is probably having a coughing fit here. I was. That that was a that was a few years ago. You can't eat sats. Then they recorded again in Amsterdam, and I do believe that one was called you can't live in a Bitcoin. And then this most recent episode, which was, what, 2 episodes ago, what's that one called, Max? The most recent one? Yeah. That was called
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Building with Bitcoin, Unimogs, and Ubermongs.
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Mhmm. Mhmm. Yes. Of course. Also, if, pretty soon, the Ungovernables website will be updated and revamped, and I've seen a lot of the early, working models of that. And it's incredible. The work that mister Crown can produce
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as far as website stuff is He's been on fire. He really has been on fire. Week or 10 days. He's been absolutely on fire. I don't know what's going on with him, but I like it. Well, his work ethic is infectious. Yeah. New website, new designs, new functionality. We love to see it, Crown. You absolute monster. Improved functionality on the website will
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include improved functionality for our articles section, our writings section. So not only the Ben Gunn 3 episodes, you can listen back to, but read his articles where he wrote a series of articles about his journey, buying the forest there and what he had to do to rehab it. And he has another article on the 5th of November, the, Gunpowder Treason and plot that Max can't seem to grasp historically because he refuses to read that article. But it's there for those who can read. It is there. So lots of lots of Ben Gunn material on on Goverable Misfits.
Just to give an update on the American side of our mesh to Dell super nodes, somebody that is having problems with developing that human capital side of things on Tap Growth. Much like Ben Gunn, he's been a, mesh to Dell character for a very long time. As a matter of fact, when you firstly relaunching the mesh to Dell monthly show in summer of 21. Chino, Sol X were were off to guests on there, but you also had an episode with Chino and, Joel. I listened to that episode a few months ago, and it was very interesting to hear his take on things. Talked a lot. He
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he's really not the kind of character that should be on the show with 2 other people because the 2 other people don't get to talk a lot. Him and Ben have that in common. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. They're like those little wind up toys. You know? You, like, wind them up and they just go.
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They sure do. So on that episode, Chino and and you didn't say very much. It was there's a lot of Joel. But he's got he's got that energy, and that's Mhmm. These are the type of personality traits that are necessary to build these supernodes. You just gotta be an energizer bunny as as, you know, we would say over here. And they just keep going and keep going and going and going. Well, that's what makes them those a type super successful personalities. Mhmm. To update everybody on what untapped growth is doing, you know, they bought this large farm cattle ranch in Oklahoma. It's, it's a few guys down there doing their best to incorporate management intensive grazing, herd share program, breeding program down there. You know, his initial vision was just to do management intensive grazing and have a citadel and have a community for people and be able to provide healthy fresh beef and control the you know, all the inputs and outputs to make sure that beef is healthy for people. And that is a source of food that can't be destroyed by the machine.
Their breeding program down there, they've got the African Mashona, you know, and that's, like, from Zimbabwe kinda area of Africa, I think. And and, you know, the Mashona people, that's the ones that are, like, walking with the cows. They live with the cows. They you know, they're really fertile animals. They're heat tolerant. They're really efficient grazers. He also has the Piney Woods cattle down there, and those were the ones who were Spanish to drop them off in Mississippi and just said, you know, like, the 1500 and said, well, we're gonna let these cows roam about, and then we're gonna go conquer the rest of, Central and South America. And we'll come back and eat these cows. And then eventually, they just abandoned them in the woods of Louisiana. So he has the ancestors of these cattle that were dropped off by the Spanish in the 1500.
And he has a really interesting breeding program down there to do. You know, hardy breeds cattle that are resistant to ticks, resistant to disease, very tolerant for cold and heat, not just in the landscape there in Oklahoma but pretty much anywhere. I I think that's what he's trying to do is just have this
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general breed of cow that can exist in a lot of different areas. I remember when he was first talking to me about, like, how cattle are raised in most of America and, like, UK and everywhere else and, like, the differences between them. And I was like, oh my god. I never knew like, these things can't really survive without Mhmm. Vets and drugs and Yeah. Load of other bullshit. And I was just like, I never knew that. I never really thought about it that way. And once once it was explained, I was like, we're crazy. Crazy to be doing things like we are. This is more of a return to nature and, like, logic.
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Yeah. A lot a lot of these breeds can't even breed because the bulls are so ridiculously large that they they can't mount. Some of the cattle breeds, they were made bred just to be in, you know, factory farming. Their legs are really long. They're not great at grazing because they're too far up from the ground. They're they're just being fed kind of at, like, head height. So he's he's trying to break that that cycle, and he's doing it. The breeding program is really taking off. The management intensive grazing program is taking off. So for those who don't know, he does, like, the high density management intensive grazing. I didn't even find out about that that acronym until a few months ago. Like, I have been studying, you know, John Zitzman and the Great Judy, you know, Joel Salatin, these rotational grazing type people. And, of course, we talked about in different episodes of PMM, you know, the mentor that my partner and I have kind of grasped onto, John Lindley here, has done, you know, rotational grazing for many years. He's he's 86 years old, so he's he's been in that game for a very long time. But that Joel does it at an even higher level. It's called high density management intensive grazing. You know, it's the same thing where you move ruminants around in in different paddocks frequently.
You know? What you wanna do is bunch them all together as if they had predator pressure on them. And that affects the land a lot more effectively than just kind of letting them roam about. So he has a lot of these overhead shots of these his fields right next to his neighbor's fields. And even though through the summer they had a drought there in Oklahoma, to a degree, it seems like that part of America always has some kind of drought. His fields look fantastic compared to his neighbors. So it is effective. He's really doing he's really building the soil.
His ruminants are trampling, or matter down, and little puddles where the rain can sit, and the microbes can feed on that, the insects can feed on that, the dung beetles can come in. Increasing the carbon, nutrient content, all the stuff, and nematodes and mycelium and biodiversity.
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It makes so much sense. I don't know if anyone's watched Clarkson's Farm.
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Sure. Yeah. I have. Yeah. It's a good one. It's good because it's like It's like top gear on a farm. Yeah. Top gear on a farm.
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It's fun, but it also, like, breaks down and shows just how crazy farming in the UK and and elsewhere is and how you basically just got, like, dead lifeless soil that's just fucked. And then you just have to pour a load of chemicals and stuff to sort of trick the soil into thinking it has nutrients so that you can grow some shit, and then you have to use more of that. And when you, like, think about that, it just it doesn't make any sense. Whereas the alternative is, like what Joel is doing, is actually to have, like, the circle of life. Like, you have the cows, You move them in a certain way. You have them eat in a certain way, then they shit. And then once that shit goes onto the floor, then you have, like, say, the mycelium and blah blah blah, and that replenishes the soil, and then you grow things. And it's better for the cattle. It's better for the meat. It's better for the ground. It's better for the plants.
There's less chemicals and bullshit. And it's like what all the woke people are talking about is like, oh, we wanna make the world healthier and safer planet and do this and treat animals well and stop using chemicals and we're raping the soil. And it's like, yeah. Okay. Well, here's someone who's actually doing it. Why aren't we doing it everywhere else? It's like such an obvious thing when you see it, a bit like Bitcoin. It's like, why the fuck would I have a money that's not Bitcoin? Why the fuck would I use the dollar or the pound? That would be stupid. It's the same with this. Why the fuck would you farm like people are on Clarkson's Farm and everything else? It's stupid.
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I'm happy that everybody's into the Clarkson Farm thing now, and that message is is really penetrating into the the normie world. But it's exciting to have somebody like that be a part of of our community who saw this long ago and had already implemented is already implementing solutions. And not just doing it with the financial capital part of things, materials and the living capital of the animals, but they are building a community down there. They're building a new cultural community in Oklahoma, where it isn't just about people coming down there and and moving cows and growing healthy beef. That is a huge section of it, but they're building I don't wanna say this because it it sounds like pie in the sky silly in a way, but they're trying to build, like, the new foundation of a different civilization that's built on work, trust, spiritual capital, integrity.
It isn't just, like, a TV show. Here we are. We're getting out of, like, the the petrochemical fertilizer loop Mhmm. And doing this biodiversity system here, which they are, but they're also doing that with people and culture. And this is something that I think and I'd like to move on to the next the next section. This is probably gonna be one of my worst segues into an advertisement. Now now that I'm looking at it and and thinking about it. But we'll go ahead and do it. We'll just pull the Band Aid off because I don't wanna go too far without having an ad read in here. But everything that Ben wants to do at his shop there, Bifrost Manufacturing is already doing it as far as milling, CNC machines, 3 d printers, designers, engineers, manufacturing space, they got it all.
Bifrost Manufacturing in Grand Forks, North Dakota. Attention. Attention. This will be our last Bifrost manufacturing ad read. Their sponsorship is over, but I will say this for the past year, they have been fun ad reads to do, and I feel we've, definitely grown a lot closer on Governmental Misfits and our audience and Bifrost Manufacturing, and, really looking forward to the fishing trip this year to spend time with all of them and even a lot of the pleb miner crew is going to be there this year. So thank you very much, Bifrost Manufacturing.
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You've been a great sponsor. Appreciate it. Yep. Sure. In the future. I'm sure. As we've just gone through with all the Ben Gunn stuff, people are gonna need to start building things. And even if they're not a need, there's gonna be a want. There's gonna be a desire for people to have certain things made. The things that Bifrost can do have blown me away. Just to have, like, a one stop shop where you can go in and speak to people who really know what they're doing and can build pretty much anything you want is, very, very valuable. Yeah. Valuable indeed, to the point where they're
[00:55:40] Unknown:
they're redoing their convention or event space there, in Grand Forster, North Dakota called the Alaris Center. And they were trying to do a turf covering, you know, where where if they're gonna have a concert, they're gonna put a bunch of coverings on top of the turf so it doesn't mess it up. And the concert's over. Boom. You wanna go back to football. You can do that easily by disassembling the turf cover. So they recently put a bid on doing a turf cover, like, 3 d printing the turf cover there at Bifrost. Like, that's how large they've become. And the other people in the bidding process, Bifrost Manufacturing was, like, 5 to $700,000 less than these other bids. No joke. 5 to $700,000
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less? That's correct. They could have saved numbers than boys per month.
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I don't know what kind of fiat fuckery is going on there, but they didn't choose Bifrost Manufacturing to produce the turf covering for them. And to me, that really you know? And and I was kind of upset for them, you know, in in reading the article and and talking to Aaron and how much work they put into this bid and how this is a a civic funded thing. This isn't like some corporation sponsoring the center. This is owned by by the county or the city. So the taxpayers are gonna foot this bill. They've gone, what? Save us half a $1,000,000. No. Thank you. No worries. No. Thanks.
So whatever fiat fuckery is going on, and and I really think that shows why we need to build out our mesh economies and our mesh del. So we don't have to deal with these fiat fucks. We sell directly to each other. Honesty and integrity with fundamental mathematics. Yes. Fundamentals has a math show. You can listen to that too. Fundamental mathematics and economics. That's the world that we we want to live in. That's the world that we're trying to build. And here is Bifrost manufacturing, building great things, designing great things, building out their ability to manufacture things, CNC machines, resin 3 d printers, regular 3 d printers. They have all the stuff. They have all the engineers, the designers, the equipment, and they've got the budget and they still don't get this big deal. So if you've got something going on in the United States that you need manufactured, this is your this is your last chance to hear about it from Ungovernable Misfits for a little bit. Visit them at their website.
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Bifrost manufacturing.com.
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One more time.
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Bifrost fucking hell. Bifrost manufacturing.com.
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Thank you very much, Max. That was absolutely perfect. You didn't cough one time in that. That's right. Any job, big or small, preferably big, save more money if you do a big job, reach out to Bifrost Manufacturing. They can really do just about anything. Speaking of our own manufacturers, our own producers, Ben Gunn, Untapped Growth. In listening to Joel talk a lot lately and speaking to friends of mine that are there, working, their biggest issue they have is people. They need people to come and work there. You just need human beings to do all this stuff, which leads us to our next topic here on PMM. Producers promising mentorship and mastery are met with mediocrity and mistrust. Is it mediocrity? I wrote down mediocrity, but as I say it, it's mediocrity.
Yeah.
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Oh, I don't know why autocorrect didn't autocorrect that then. That's interesting. I think maybe that is a word, but not fitting for what you're trying to say. Mediocre.
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I'm gonna I'm gonna do a real real pixpergy. Hey. These guys say you can work. You can't miss the mediocre shit. All fucked up. 2 of you are 8 forms of capital, social capital, cultural capital, spiritual, material, intellectual, financial living. Let's see animals, eminals, Experiential. Our friend Carl crazy Carl Koerner. He's got 2 additional forms of capital, vital and time capital. Those make sense. Here's another one though, human. I think human can encompass a lot of those things. From what I'm understanding, and I think Ben Gunn is gonna run into this too as he starts to scale, is the most difficult thing is human capital. You guys spoke about it on the show Yeah. To a degree. These people show up. Those retards, hobos, drug addicts, whoever the fuck show up, and they just don't got it. They promise a lot of things. I mean, you even have a lot of things. I know this with untapped growth being in the sphere is all these people are excited. I wanna come down there. I wanna do stuff. I wanna do stuff. And then when it comes down to it and you're on the farm, they flake out. There's so many flakes.
Sarah runs into this all the time in her business. Not so much now, but it used to be a really bad problem where people had an appointment to get their hair done, and they totally flake out. Yep. You know, you go to meet somebody. Oh, I want to buy this thing on Facebook Marketplace. And you go there and they meet them, and they totally flake out. We've become a nation of or a community of flakes here in in Western civilization and are running into that on the farm there. People are hard to find. They're hard to keep. They break their promises. You can't trust them. They come down there and say, I can do all these things, but it turns out they have nothing in their skill set toolbox at all. They don't have any work ethic. They don't really the symphony is living in a fucking fantasy land on their keyboard. And then when they go somewhere to put the work in or promise that they're gonna put the work in, they absolutely flake out.
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Yeah. But that's quickly seen, especially in, like, the physical type of work that both Joel and Ben are doing. You only really need, like, a day with someone you're like, oh, you're fucking useless or you're really good. Whereas, like, in the corporatey, bullshitty world, like, people can hide for years. People can definitely do they do nothing.
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Where I work, people can hide for 35 fucking years and leave with a, you know, a $1,000,000 pension. Yeah. See it all the time. They do nothing. But you can't you can't really hide in these type of businesses. So, at least they get found out quickly. They do get found out quickly, but think about all of the time and energy that you invested into that person to get them there in the 1st place. Then they show up for a week, turn out their shit, and they flake out. That's true. You know, it isn't it isn't just saying, oh, you you, you answered my advertisement in the classifieds of the newspaper, and they show up and say, oh, you know what? Thanks for showing up for the day. I'm gonna cut you loose. It's much worse than that. Even to convince somebody to come down there and work and experience things, and then they flake out. It's like, dude, I put all this fucking time and energy and something that we're going to talk about in our next episode of PM, an additional form of capital, is emotional capital. I've I've put all this out to you, and I've got nothing in return.
Mhmm. And having this conversation with everybody in the mesh Jadel because I was having this conversation with Joel personally, and then we sort of brought it into the mesh And everybody else is saying the saying the same thing in their operations. Alright. Once again, what the hell can we say about people? Husband and wife, friend of ours, Mejdell people, Michigan folks, they just bought a large working Amish farm. And it's just the 2 of them. So, of course, they need help. I I know they travel abroad certain times of the year. So the conversation came up in the mesh adels, like, well, we need help too. And somebody brought up something called w w o o f, the worldwide opportunities on organic farms.
Have you ever heard of this? I don't know anything about it. Alright. Well, I'm going to inform the audience as to what it is because I just learned about it. It's a, I'm gonna read this. It's a global network that connects volunteers with organic farms in exchange for helping with tasks like planting, harvesting, or animal care. Volunteers called WOOFers, that's cute, receive food accommodations and hand on experience in sustainable agriculture. It's all learning, shared knowledge, and fostering communications. No money involved. WOOF promotes organic farming, permaculture, and eco friendly practices, making it a great way to immerse yourself in local cultures while supporting sustainability.
So one of our members did the WOLF thing about 10 years ago. And she says she spent 8 months on a variety of farms, big and small, commercial and private. Most setups had livestock, gardens, or specialty projects. And the best experiences were farmsteads with lots of animals, gardens, and other woofers around. Oh, so cute. The hosts loved sharing their knowledge. And there was always something new to try and learn. The wolf database helped connects volunteers with hosts, offering reviews and detailed profiles to match skills and expectations. She loved it so much that some hosts even invited her back outside of the wolf program. While things have changed in her life, she says, she said it was a great system for exchanging help, knowledge, and experiences.
And even if it doesn't work out with a volunteer, it's only temporary. So there's little risk. Another member of the chimed in and said that he did a stint in Spain a long, long time ago. So this is a working thing. We do have, people experienced with Wolf in the mesh channel, but then somebody else said, yeah, I I got into that and, says it's mostly now. Maybe it wasn't 10 years ago. And this this is experience of people 10 years ago or the other person. I'm I'm not gonna reveal how long he said it was ago. I don't think he wants that share. He's kind of a privacy guy. But it was a long time ago. And now everyone that shows up is mostly drug addicts and thieves if they do actually show up. So our our culture is is degrading.
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Yeah. Well, I guess that's kind of, normal, though, isn't it? It's like when something's a good thing, people are always gonna try and find a way to take advantage of it. Oh, yeah. So there are some interesting things that potentially can be done there in terms of, like, web of trust. Mhmm. That's something that is missing from these traditional fiat world things. They're missing a Noster badge. Yeah. And Noster badge or, or, you know, just even more simple than that is like, if I a 100% vouch for someone with Ben, if I go, I'm telling you solid. Just trust me on that. Mhmm. Because we're close enough, Ben will take that as a solid, like yeah. That's basically an extension of Max because if they turn out to be a complete cunt, then we're gonna have a problem. Do you know what I mean? Because I've I've a 100% vouched for them. And I'm sure the same with you and Joel and, you know, you have these kind of connections. And the further you go out, the less trust you have. But most of these other communities don't have that. So, like, I'm not gonna completely I'll go, oh, look, mate. I absolutely a 100% vouch for this person if I've exchanged a message or 2 with them. That's not gonna happen. It's only gonna be someone who I really know and trust myself. So Mhmm. We do have an advantage there. We do have an advantage. But even in our own community, people flake out. It's even hard to vet people who you've known online for many years
[01:06:32] Unknown:
and think and I and I can say this from experience of people that I know that they've spent now 2 years working on building relationships with people, and then they've completely flaked out when the time came. It is absolutely wild, and it it's a big problem in our society as a whole, people's lack of integrity. I don't think we have any solution for that. You know? And I and I'd say you're you're absolutely right. Yeah. If you vouch for somebody, that sure that sure does make things a lot easier. But even in doing that, people flake out. I think it's
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culturally changed. There's been a shift. Some of it is like if you lived in a village and you said you're gonna do a thing and you didn't do that thing, you'd go to the local pub or church on a Sunday and oh, look who it is. It's the lawyer. Yeah. You'd get all that. It's like, oh, fucking hell. There he is. And very quickly, your reputation would be burned all the other way around where very quickly everyone go, oh, if he says he's gonna do something, he's gonna do something. Will I trust him with and suddenly all these opportunities start to come your way. For these people to flake out, there's no risk. There's no bullying at the pub. Yeah. There's no cost. And the other thing is, I think, partly not just because people aren't living closely to each other, but also there seems to be a cultural shift where people are saying, I just need to look after myself or I need to do what's best for myself. Oh, yeah, buddy. And I think Great point. Part of that is just because, well, actually, things are pretty fucking hard for most people rather than having a sense of pride and going, well, I'm gonna do what I said I'm going to do. It's almost like this fight or flight mode that people are in where they're, like, scurrying around with their heads down. They're not really thinking about the future. They're just going, oh, just pick up the crumbs. Pick up the crumbs. And so if if someone has said, yeah. I'm gonna go and cover for you at your work because you're going on holiday. If they get an offer and it's someone's gonna pay 50% more, oh, pick up the crumbs. Pick up the crumbs. That's that's how they're thinking. So I do think some of it is broken money, broken society, broken promises.
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We'll get there. We'll get there. So when you extend all of this time and effort to try to recruit people to to your citadel I almost feel like cheesy saying citadel just thinking years ago and everybody talking about the citadel stuff. It is true. To your working operations, whether it be a farm, forest, some sort of manufacturing operation, and you invest all this time. So you have that time capital. You invested part of your life. That's vital capital. But you invested emotional capital. It's that pendulum swing, that up and down, the highs and lows of, oh, man. Maybe I finally have somebody. This person seems right. We're aligned on so many things spiritually and culturally. They seem like they're a good person. I've spent a few weeks talking to them. I've qualified them through conversations with other people in my organization. You know? Like, hey. Can you call this guy and get a read on him? I'm not really sure, you know, what kind of person they are. And then you spend all this time. They turn out to be a flake. You're exhausted emotionally.
You're frustrated. You're upset. You don't know if you wanna go through this process again. So on the next episode of PMM, we're gonna break down emotional capital, and it's it's something that I have struggled with for a long time is, you know, how I get, Max. Like, I get excited about Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. I know. I put a lot of myself out there, and a lot of times I don't get that same thing back and that tends to exhaust me, you know. But I think I've learned a few lessons over the years and how to deal with that. And it isn't just saying, as Max likes to say, throw my toys out of the pram and, you know, go home. I don't do that. I think I've developed a couple techniques to deal with these highs and lows and not just saying, fuck it. I'm taking my ball and going home. I don't wanna do this anymore with people. I'm done. And, you know, I you know, over these past couple years in Bitcoin, a community that I never fucking had to participate in, but felt, you know, felt almost a calling to Mhmm. That I've wanted to, like, say, fuck it. Fuck these people.
Fuck this overemotional asshole. This fucking person. I'm I'm done. I don't wanna do this anymore. And a lot of times, to be honest with you, Max, it's like you were the only thing that kept me in. It's nice today, mate. Yeah. It's true. It's absolutely a 100% true. So I think I've developed a couple things to preserve my emotional capital.
[01:11:08] Unknown:
That way it's there it's there for me when I do need to use it again. It's important because otherwise you just get burnt out. I've had similar feelings many times and I know. Yeah. It's always that little core group of people you can count on your fingers who you go, well, it's not all fucked. It's not all shit because I can rely on these people. But you do start to close yourself off. And I guess sometimes maybe you miss out on some opportunities, but otherwise, the cost of being open all the time and on all the time is
[01:11:39] Unknown:
you just get burnt out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, one place I I feel like I'll never leave the PMM group. Mhmm. I'll never leave the mesh to Dell. I'll never leave ungovernable misfits. And I certainly have my core group of of dudes, you know who you are, who I talk with every day, who will now be my lifelong friends. Yeah. But I could totally give up Twitter, Nostril, all the other all the other stuff without question. I only stay in because you have to stay connected to do these these shows.
[01:12:10] Unknown:
And also, like, the in person stuff, like, when you start seeing these super nodes building out and stuff. It's like when you spend your time typing away on your little keyboard arguing about whatever it is, or do you wanna actually, like, go and learn about cattle or go and build some cool stuff and, like, it's pretty obvious where you wanna spend your time. No, man. I'm just gonna run a bit and talk about decentralization. Did you see, cat muncher, pussy muncher on, Twitter arguing about with Brinky how anyone who's running a solo pool is attacking the network?
[01:12:41] Unknown:
Are you kidding? No. I didn't because he blocked me a while ago when they were hitting empty blocks, and I asked him legitimate questions like, hey. Are you sure there's nothing, like, on an IT level that you could do to stop hitting empty blocks? He's like, no. It's actually healthy. And I noticed they really haven't hit the empty blocks since, so I guess they did fix something. And then I got suggestions from people that run pretty large pools and at the time was 3 times the size of their pool. And he says, yes. There is things you can do. And I just relayed that back to him, and they said I was dishonest, and they blocked me. Yeah. He said,
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Brinkie put out his flyer that I think mister Crown designed, and then That's correct. Luke said, solo pools are false advertising and harmful. They should not exist at all. And, Brink, he said, please enlighten us with your supreme knowledge, oh master Luke. You might also consider the 350 ish terahash total hash rate of the pool and especially the usage of bit taxes for fun and learning purposes.
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And please don't forget to acknowledge we did it all without money from Jack. Boom. Oh, man. I wish I would've saw that. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Oh, great. I love it. God bless you, Brinkie. I know you listen to every single episode. I love you, you big old monstrous beautiful man. Wonderful.
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And then that was kicking off, and then Luke's coming out with a load of more stuff. I haven't given it any more attention. That was enough. I sent a little stupid GIF of a of a cat saying how rather than meow and then hiding again so it didn't get eaten. That's my input.
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That's that's usually your input. Yeah. That's that's what I'm best at. Well, you didn't spend, a lot of emotional capital in doing that. No.
[01:14:23] Unknown:
Oh, there's a funny cat. That works. Yeah. That's me. That's it. That's it. Little investment of emotional capital.
[01:14:31] Unknown:
Well, if you want to grab yourself a bit, ax, and get to playing on the node runner's pool, I know the place that you can go. Be like Ricky. My dinner runner's pool. Luke, come on. Get over yourselves. It's just a bunch of people going to altairtech.i0, getting themselves a cute little bit ax, little thing. Look at me. I'm a little miner man. Like it? It's it's a mining of bitcoins. Get 1, 2, stick them under your strap right to the bottom of your seat and warm your nuts. You can do that. You can get those on altairtech.i0. Supra, gamma, giga, gigachad.
I believe they got a model named gigachad. How you sure? Yeah. You could do your mewing. Get your little chin to find out the this is what the kids do. You know about this mewing? Have I talked to you about this before? Yeah. I've been mewing for ages. For real? Strong jawline.
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Gotta do the mew.
[01:15:53] Unknown:
Gotta do the mew. You too can do the mew with the new gigachad bitx mineronaltaretech.i0. One thing I like about him is he doesn't get emotional. He doesn't expend a lot of emotional capital. The guy's just doing stuff, reviewing shit, getting new stuff in, hard to get miners. He's got them there in stock. The new s 21 plus just came out. Let me make sure that I'm getting that right. If you'll excuse me for just one quick second, I'm gonna go to altair tech, altair_tex Excuse me as well. Twitter account. Mate. Yep. You just carry on. Mhmm. I will carry on indeed. Where he reviewed the s 21 plus. We, of course, will break this down on the next episode of action news.
But this is just an example of the things that alter tech dot io does. So he gets this S21 plus which is a little bit less efficient than the the Pro and the XP as far as its efficiency rating goes. But it's value priced and it's pretty powerful too. They come in 216, 225, 235 Terahash models. Got some pretty neat stuff in there. It looks like a pretty good machine, and he has those available to order if you go to alteratech. Io. When you check out, you get a 1% discount if you use the promo code. I don't know if Max is back. If you use the promo code Ungovernable. That's right. Promo code Ungovernable for altairtech.io.
I got a project that I'm working on. I really could use some new miners. I have my eye on this new, s 21 plus. Too much with the pros and pluses and XPs and whatnot. But I do have my eye on this s 21 plus, especially if it's value priced. I could upgrade some older machines, and I don't know who else I would go to besides altertech.io. Well, I do know another place, but not gonna advertise for him. You know who he is. Cute guy, little hat and glasses. We all love him. But in the meantime, altartech.io. Really appreciate your sponsorship of Ungovernable Misfits, Action News, and our PMM shows. There have been some really, really low temperatures across the United States, and I know a lot of miners in the south who previously had their stuff turned on off have cranked back up. And I know that they were glad to have alter tech dot io there for when when you've had a miner off for a long time, you don't realize, oh, shit. The control board went bad. This fan went bad. Altartech. Io always has a lot of accessories, control boards, fans, fan guards, even screws, connectors, whatever the hell you want. You get an epic UMC board and you want to use your old fans, this is a different type of connector. He has the adapter connectors for you. It's a it's a unique mining website, because he isn't just one of these guys that orders a bunch of gear from China and pays the the duties and things might get complicated there and ships them somewhere and then reships them to you. That's a very simple business model. He's got a lot more stuff going on, builds things, reviews things, tears things apart, tells you all about them, lets you know if they're right for you. Nobody is like alteratech.
Io. Just the best. What a guy. Yeah. And I, you know, I I said the promo code, but I think it'd be best if you told everybody the promo code that they can use when they check out with alteratech. Io to get 1% off.
[01:19:18] Unknown:
Use the code ungovernable at checkout. Much better than I did. Yeah. I agree. I could hear you while I was taking your piss. Oh, good. Okay. Great. Yeah.
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Moving on and wrapping up with this episode of PMM, we have a philosopher's pit stop, a minstrel's musing. Our friend, Bubba Cool Beans Ranch, has stopped by to share some Babylonian philosophy. Are you ready to hear it, Max? I actually recorded it. Born ready. Right? Okay. Here we go. Born ready, Max. Go about the noise. You sound like Bubba.
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What's the difference between a genius and an idiot? It's complicated. That's the difference. A genius is simple. An idiot is complicated as fuck. You can never understand what they're saying. They can't explain shit. He's a wise man.
[01:20:11] Unknown:
He is wise. That is very wise. The smartest people are very good at just explaining something, and you go, oh, I know what you mean. Yeah. That makes sense.
[01:20:20] Unknown:
It doesn't take them 45 minutes to talk about 2 citadels.
[01:20:25] Unknown:
Yeah. And a fucking PowerPoint presentation, and you walk out going, am I dumb? I don't know what's going on here. I must be. No. They they can't be dumb. They use big words.
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It must be me. I'm dumb. Use the kiss method. Keep it simple, stupid. Good method. Indeed. Well, that's why we have Bubba on the show to share these things. I hope I hope you everybody leaves listening to, on government's foot's PMM thinking, I'm gonna be more simple because
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I don't wanna be an idiot. You certainly don't wanna be called an idiot by Bubba. No. No. No.
[01:21:02] Unknown:
Fucking idiot. I'm looking forward to the summer to spend some time with people like Bubba and other very good friends so we can sit around the campfire, play some guitar, sing some songs, and, spout a little philosophy of our own at our beloved Lake Satoshi. Hopefully, this time, Max puts in the right song. Just choosing his own Bob Seger songs and plugging them in there, it was better. Take away my inhibition. No better than
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Take away my solitude.
[01:21:47] Unknown:
You can take away your solitude at Lakes Toshi this summer, August 2nd Put me in the mood. 2025. Put yourself in the mood. The mood to do what? The mood to swim, play, jet ski, boat, camp, eat, sing, hug, love one another, be there with Bitcoin plebs, freedom sovereignty folks. Maybe just some strange weird hobos from Wolf would show up there to talk about farming and permaculture. Some train hobos might get dropped off at lake Satoshi. You can have a good time with them. Sounds magical. It is magical. I'm very much looking forward to it. I'm I've live a, a wonderful life. I'm so happy. I get to do things like go to North Dakota and go ice fishing, go to New York to Pub Key, and, have a meeting with with all the energy folks there and and learn from baseload about the energy markets. And, of course, I'm very fortunate to attend Lake Satoshi.
I'm sure that, I better take Sarah and the girls on a wonderful vacation this summer because I've gotten to do a lot of travel, and I'm gonna start getting shit about it. But hopefully, Sarah is gonna come with me to New York. So she'll be at Pub Key as well. And I intend on taking the entire family to Lake Satoshi. So it'll be like a little miniature family vacation. And you too could take your family to Lake Satoshi. If you're bringing an RV, please let them know so they have a plug for you. If they're not able to get a plug, you might need to bring a genset. So you have to coordinate that with the Lake Satoshi crew. But you can always show up with a, something to sleep in, tent Mhmm. Something thrown on the ground, couple sleeping bags. Bag. Yeah. Bring your own food, but they also have food there. A really cheap price. I assume it's gonna be $21. Again, that is just a donation. Mhmm. It isn't like they take the $21. This is really this is the Lake Satoshi people doing this out of their own pocket. Very, very special special event.
Once again, that's August 2nd, 2025. I just feel like I I typed this a lot. When are you Lake Satoshi again? August 2nd. 2nd. August 2nd. Put it in your calendars and diaries and things. Write it on your fridge. That's a good idea. Just write it on your fridge. Mhmm. And you go feed your fat ass or Mhmm. But you want you wanna have the good beach body there. So hopefully you're doing carnivore. I'm working on it, mate. You proud of me? Spare tire. I'm I'm oh, man. You know what? I'm proud of you in so many different ways. So if if you weren't losing weight by, you know, smashing out the weights at the gym and starving yourself with no carbs and going into ketosis and all this stuff, I'd still be proud of you. Oh, that's nice. Yeah.
I heard door close,
[01:24:30] Unknown:
so we might be in trouble here. Yeah. Similar thing going on here. Yeah. 11 kilos now I've done. That's nearly £25.
[01:24:39] Unknown:
Thank you very much. 25 pound man, if I could lose £25, I think I'd feel pretty fucking good. I'm feeling sick at the moment, so not Oh. As good as I could do. But I'm almost never sick as you know, and maybe that's the
[01:24:53] Unknown:
fat. I think fat helps. Test me. I think that certainly helps. You I think, like, having that layer of fat, you're a bit stronger as well as a general rule. Interesting. But, yeah, I do feel lighter on my feet. That's for sure. I'm gonna try and go for, like, I'm gonna try and go for about £30 in time. Wow. Wow. That'd be awesome. I don't know whether I'm gonna continue with Carnival Pass this month. I might just, like, come off a little bit because it's just so fucking boring.
[01:25:20] Unknown:
Mhmm. Yep. I don't like to try to do any kind of dieting in the wintertime. Mhmm. You know, you know, I work outside, so I I don't I don't need that shit. You need some blubber as well. It's true. I mean, it it's true. If you don't work outside, you don't fucking know. I mean, just because you you you, like, you go skiing or you do some kind of fun activity. When you're outside all day and the grind and it's fucking cold, it's like you just wanna get in and eat some food. Yeah. And you want a specific type of food. No one understands until until you felt the cold
[01:25:52] Unknown:
in your bones and your hands Yeah. And your joints. You've been outside in the freezing cold for an entire day. All you wanna do is come home and eat something that is hot, high fat. You wanna come home and just have, like, mashed potatoes with, like, a hot stew and meat. Yeah. If someone's like, oh, well, you know, you have a little chai seed and, you know, a bit of smoked salmon and Eat shit. Fuck off. Fuck you. No chance. Fucking no. Yeah. No. Do it do it it's it's the everyday thing.
[01:26:25] Unknown:
Sorry. You went skiing for the weekend. You were cold and shit. Do it every day. There's no fun to be had. You're just grinding. Anyway, I won't be losing any weight till till spring. Not doing it. Not doing it. Moving on and wrapping up the show. We have a piece that I wrote that will be available on ungovernablemisfits.com under writings. It is titled The Preservation of Punk and Hardcore Through Modern Mesh Taddells. Don't forget the struggle. Don't forget the streets. I was inspired by the Walter Shrefel song, an open letter to the scene and the life and death of former war zone front man, Ray Beasley. Now these these are people that actually, you probably don't know. Ray Beasley is from a band called Warzone. This is a New York hardcore scene in the late 80s early 90s.
Walter Treffels was part of those bands. He moved on to be in another band called Quicksand, which is a fantastic, like, alternative band. I think this isn't even, like, New York hardcore stuff. Quicksand is a really, really solid band, especially their first two albums. Great. But he did a little acoustic song after the death of Warzone frontman, Ray Beaz. And, so in listening to that song, it caused me to reflect on my own experience in the punk and hardcore scene in the late eighties and up to mid nineties. That song, it's kinda boring. You'll hear it at the end here. You you might not get it. It's just an acoustic song. But it sparked something in me.
What follows in this article is my story, my observations, and my take on what it means to keep the spirit alive in a world that's always trying to snuff it out. I grew up in the punk hardcore scene. Skater, surfer, played in a shitty punk band. Wore x's on my hands to signify I was nailed to the x as I was dedicated to it. But as time passed and that's that straight edge thing. I think you probably know that, Max. But as time passed and people grew, as they inevitably do, I watched the hardcore scene fall apart, sell out, cuck itself. The alternative music craze took over MTV, and the culture of my youth was swallowed whole. I watched straight edge kids abandon their ethos for drugs, alcohol and vice, or join Harry Krishna movements, which I'm not sure which is worse. Working class skinheads morphed into long haired Rastafarian wannabes singing Peter Tosh's legalize it, even though I think pick myself up is a far superior song. Liberty spiked and safety pin pierced gutter punks went to college and eventually became professors of gender studies or whatever worthless progressive philosophy they teach today. Back then, I had a zine.
It was just a few pages folded and stapled together. Nothing fancy. The only contributors were me and my friend Brian Blackburn, a guy who walked around the neighborhood with a 2 foot Knox gelatin mohawk. With that zine, we were trying to get noticed, trying to be cool enough to have something featured in maximum rock and roll. For those not familiar, maximum rock and roll was a DIY volunteer run zine that embodied the worldwide punk underground. It documented the music, the scene, and the politics that made punk more than music. Punk was smashing authority, rejecting corporate control, building something real.
And maximum rock and roll, it was the pinnacle for any punk who wanted their voice heard beyond a microphone.
[01:29:32] Unknown:
I have a question. Yeah. Is a zine a magazine for people who are too cool for the MAGA?
[01:29:40] Unknown:
No. Because usually it's just, like, some photocopied paper that, you know, you did, like, in flyer. Not not much different than a bunch of flyers stapled together Oh, okay. With some quick blurbs of of articles that would have been a zine. Yeah. Like, so you weren't big enough for the MAGA. Okay. MAGA. Got you.
[01:30:00] Unknown:
So it's not a magazine. It's like it's like a a a shit magazine. Yeah. Like a it's more of a brochure. Couple flyers stabled together.
[01:30:09] Unknown:
2nd question, your friend with the 2 foot mohawk? Brian Blackburn. Yeah. What color? Red. He was a ginger. Oh, okay. Very nice. A natural red or any diet? No. He he was a natural he was the natural ginger. So that orange ish, you know, ugly ginger bullshit. Sorry, gingers. Shout out to you, Brian. I remember one article I wrote for our little zine, not MAGA zine, that I was convinced would get published in maximum rock and roll. I ranted about the founding fathers of the United States, their masonic origins, their empire building, their land theft, their slave trading, blah blah blah blah. I was 15 at the time, so cut me some slack for being shallow, but my heart was in the right place. I don't feel like my writing today is is that much different now that I read that out.
I felt punk writing it, though. You get the sentiment. Fuck the government. Fuck the man. Fuck their systems of control. As the band Crass put it, big a, little a, bouncing b. The system might have got you, but it won't get me. But it did. They got me too. Even I sold out in a big way, I guess you could say, by signing up to kill for the man. So there it was. The skin sold out. Straight Edge Kids sold out. The gutter punks sold out. The members of the punk and hardcore scene I grew up with became crunchy granola liberals, progressive college professors, and some of the biggest proponents of the nanny state and political correctness.
The anti system, DIY ethos gave way to the Seattle grunge scene and corporate copycat posers like Blink 182, Green Day, Offspring, and Rancid. Yeah. They had punk roots, but they sold out harder than George Lucas to Disney. You already have a problem with that. Disney Star Wars? Yeah. Yeah. I do. You're very upset. And you recently found out that 2 people that you know and are close to are in a little secret Star Wars nerd group with me. I won't reveal who they are. Still gay. And here we are today. I'm getting those same vibes from the cypherpunk privacy and sovereign pleb communities we exist in. But the overall libertarian sound money community right now, The DIY in your face ethos is still there, but it's fraying at the edges.
Meetups like Lake Satoshi and Pub Key are keeping the spirit alive, providing spaces to connect and share ideas. Our mode of communication and expression has shifted. It's now Twitter, Telegram, and Nostra instead of zines printed at school or at the public library. Maybe you would have known what the what the zine was once I told you that I printed it at school or the public library where you had to put quarters in the the copy machine at the library. High qual. Yeah. The sellouts in our scene, they're everywhere. Some are taking Jack Dorsey money. That's interesting from our last conversation about Luke and Brinky. Others are kissing Elon's ass, and still more are begging Trump to save them while throwing tantrums when he doesn't deliver in the way they expect.
There are wannabe celebrities attending yacht parties, snapping open mouth selfies with famous influencers, looking like a nest of baby birds begging for the half digested food of engagement.
[01:33:15] Unknown:
I like that. Thank you.
[01:33:17] Unknown:
All the while, our oppressors continue grinding us underfoot just as they've done for 1000 of years. Enjoy your yacht party, But remember, those deck chairs aren't suitable flotation devices. My advice? Don't forget yourself. Don't forget the struggle. Don't forget the scene. What is the scene? What is the struggle? To me, the scene is still the DIY community. It's the sovereign plebian who looks to god, himself, his family, and his friends as a source of his thriving. The most punk thing you can be today is a homesteader. The most punk thing you can be today is someone who works tirelessly to build your 8 forms of capital, seeing financial capital as just one part of the ecosystem of sovereignty.
To me, the worldwide scene is the mesh jedel and the Ungovernable Misfits is a node within that mesh jadell. For the sovereign pleb, the stronger his node, the stronger the link between us all. And the stronger we all are, the closer we are to breaking free of their chains. To me, this is Ungovernable Misfits. This is the new punk movement built on hard work, community, integrity, love, family, and friendship. It's made up of people who were who will never sell out. Hopefully. The remnant who never lose sight of what brought them together in the first place. Ungovernable misfits will always be the remnant of that punk hardcore scene to me. The ones who never sold out.
Max and I talked to all of you about this on our first pod together over 3 years ago. We've been together for three and a half years, baby. Oh. I think that's why you and I are friends today. We find each other. We create these gigabit links between the mesh to Dell nodes. These bonds transcend culture and age. Hell, the hardcore scene was just a continuation of the seventies punk scene in London. And often, you'd see a 14 year old skanking in the pit with a 40 year old at an all ages show. Skanking is a dance. Nothing perverted there. That's what you were gonna say, Max. Could just I could just see it well enough in your brain. Yeah.
[01:35:21] Unknown:
You knew.
[01:35:23] Unknown:
I have this bond with so many of you in our Ungovernable Misfits community. And through this show, I hope we can build that community even more, supporting each other, encouraging one another, and trading goods and services outside of a system that treat us like chattel. Point being, we're an ungovernable punk scene in our own way, meeting at an all ages show, band practice in the basement, writing articles for a zine no one reads. So write those articles. Your zine is noster even, or your late night ramblings on a Telegram post. It can even be ungovernablemisfits.com or bugle.news.
Perhaps they are the new maximum rock and roll. Express yourself through music. Doesn't have to be the AI music everyone is so excited about nowadays. Bust out a guitar. Four power chords, intro verse, chorus verse, chorus. Take that shit to the bridge, chorus and outro, and you got yourself a song. Just need 4 chords and some lyrics. That's it. Plant a garden. Raise some chickens. Or better get cows, sheeps, and pigs. Teach your kids everything you know and don't know. Lift something heavy. Eat healthy. Build big resilient families.
Run a Bitcoin node and mine to that node. Get involved in your local. That's right. I said local community. Take a hard look at the skills you've lost or never learned and start working on them. Not now. Just after the outro music on this episode. Learn how to fix things, how to cook from scratch, how to build with your hands, learn basic first aid and emergency preparedness to handle injuries, power outages, or natural disasters without relying on external systems, Acquire backup means of communication, like a meshtastic or a VHF UHF handheld radio. Start preserving food by learning canning, fermenting, and dehydrating, which reminds me I need to order some barn jerky on the next next run.
Write code. Write code. I can't write code, but maybe you can. Write code and build something. Or have black coffee do it. Mhmm. Help someone secure their privacy. Share your knowledge freely and collaborate to create solutions that empower the individual over the system. Start a compost pile. Upcycle or whatever the fuck they call it. And start repairing instead of throwing things away and buying new. Of course, do all that without becoming a complete hoarder. I know that's easier said than done, and I say this from experience. Develop your own source of energy.
Be it natural gas generator, gas solar panels, or biodiesel, or a black diesel generator. Hell, hook up a tube to a cow's ass and mine Bitcoin off of that fart wind. Create a barter network or meshconomy, and trade goods and services with like minded people in your community with a larger mesh todell to build mutual aid and bypass the conventional cucked economy. This is the new hardcore punk DIY dissident scene. These are now the most punk activities you can participate in.
[01:38:24] Unknown:
Isn't that weird that a return to, like, nature relying on families, and yourself is the new punk.
[01:38:34] Unknown:
Mhmm. Maybe it's good we all sold out. Maybe. It it allowed us to see the other side of things and come around full circle. That's true. You being a sellout has made the change, specifically you. We wouldn't be here otherwise.
[01:38:48] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Good thing I sold out. Well, I'm back. Yeah. Well done.
[01:38:55] Unknown:
For all of you on Goverable Misfits, stay punk. Never sell out. And be an inspiration to others, or else they'll sell out or never even be punk in the first place. I hope this message lights a fire in all of your collective asses to never forget the struggle that brought you here. Remember the blood, sweat, and raw determination that shaped who you are and why you got involved in Ungovernable Misfits in the first place. Never forget the streets that led you here. The cracked pavement, the make shift venues, the late night conversations, the frustrations, hopes, and dreams you shared with loved ones around the fire, the bonds formed in rebellion and hope. Carry that spirit forward and let it guide you to build something greater, something real, something that cannot be bought or broken.
Stay true. Stay punk. Stay a misfit. Stay
[01:39:51] Unknown:
Ungovernable? Yeah. Stay ungovernable.
[01:39:59] Unknown:
I that's a standing order. You say ungovernable whenever I pause, and it's time to say ungovernable.
[01:40:04] Unknown:
I could tell it was, and I I had to unmute myself from coughing.
[01:40:08] Unknown:
We we can try that over again if you want. That's fine. Alright. We'll leave it there. Comfortable. Yeah. And thank you everybody for listening to this episode of PMM.
[01:40:21] Unknown:
Oh, that was a nicely written zine, mate. Thanks. So going back to my roots.
[01:40:29] Unknown:
I'd have loved to have seen you Oh, man.
[01:40:31] Unknown:
In your Oh, my god. Hotcakes.
[01:40:34] Unknown:
I'd love to have seen you in your household toys. Now he just looked like a skater. Had long hair.
[01:40:42] Unknown:
Straight edge your skin, head off both of the same time. Don't forget the struggle. Don't Don't forget the struggle. Don't forget the streets. Don't sell out an open letter to the scene.
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