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Bitcoin monthly is a show hosted by Max, Bitcoin QNA and Antomous. We cover important updates in the world of bitcoin and open source software.

We do this monthly to keep listeners informed without having to dedicate hours every day to keep on top of developments. We break things down in a simple and fun way and we welcome questions or topic suggestions via podcasting 2.0 boosts. 

In this episode of bitcoin monthly we talk about the importance of using bitcoin in a private and freedom focused way as well as covering the list of topics below.

- Max BBB

- Antomous

- Bitcoin QnA

• Nitter Is Shutting Down Following Changes to X Guest Accounts
• https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/nitter-is-shutting-down-following-x-changes-to-guest-accounts/
• Samourai Atomic Swaps to XMR Are Now In Public Beta
• https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/samourai-swaps-0-0-17-beta/
• Boltz Web App v1.3.0 & Backend v3.4.0: Taproot Swaps
• https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/boltz-web-app-v1-3-0-backend-v3-4-0/
• Mutiny Wallet v0.5.7: Payjoin Support, NWC Improvements
• https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/mutiny-wallet-v0-5-7/
• Zeus v0.8.1: Nostr Contact Import, Standalone PoS & More
• https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/zeus-v0-8-1/
• Nunchuk Updates: Byzantine Improvements, Cancel via RBF, Other Fixes
• https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/nunchuk-desktop-v1-9-28-android-v1-9-40-ios-v1-9-37/

News: 

• Bitcoin Developer Mailing List Migrates to Google Groups
• https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/bitcoin-developer-mailing-list-migrates-to-google-groups/
• Spiral Awards Grant to Plebhash (stratumV2)
• https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/spiral-plebhash-the-charlatan/
• European Bitcoin Energy Association (EBEA) Launched to Inform Policy Makers About Bitcoin Mining
• https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/european-bitcoin-energy-association-ebea-launched-to-inform-policy-makers-about-bitcoin-mining/
• Update: Trezor Warns of Unauthorized Email Impersonating Trezor Sent via Its Third-Party Email Provider
• https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/trezor-warns-of-emails-impersonating-trezor-sent-from-a-its-third-party-email-provider/
• Bitwise Becomes First U.S. Spot Bitcoin ETF to Disclose BTC Holding Addresses
• https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/bitwise-becomes-first-u-s-spot-bitcoin-etf-to-disclose-btc-holding-addresses/
• https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/bitwises-bitcoin-etf-addresses-updated-to-native-segwit-p2wpkh/

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(00:00:00) Intro

(00:02:06) SPONSOR: Foundation Devices (CODE: Ungovernable)

(00:03:11) Help the Show, Get a RoninDojo (CODE: Ungovernable)

(00:03:48) Ungovernable Misfits is LIVE 🔴

(00:05:08) 🎲 The Deep Dice Roll Discussion 🎲

(00:20:27) BOOSTS ⚡️: Who is Nick Hygeine?!?

(00:22:04) Samourai Swaps: BTC <---> XMR Public Beta

(00:23:40) Boltz Web App & Taproot Swaps

(00:24:27) Sorry mate, my node went down, I won't be able to pay for your pint.

(00:27:00) Mutiny Wallet Adds Payjoin Support

(00:27:31) Apple says "🖕 the EU"

(00:30:27) "Why can't someone make hardware that's good?"

(00:32:32) MAX'S APPLE VISION PRO REVIEW 2024 - UNBOXING!!!!

(00:35:29) Aussies are Good Cunts

(00:36:05) Zeus Gets a Standalone POS and Nostr Contact Import

(00:40:54) Nunchuk Has a Cool 'Cancel with RBF' Feature

(00:43:09) Bitcoin Dev Mailing List Moves to Google Groups

(00:45:17) Spiral Awards Grant to Plebhash for Work on StratumV2

(00:46:20) EBEA Launches to Inform EU Leeches about Bitcoin Mining

(00:47:00) 🎣 Another Day, Another Phishing Scam 🎣

(00:49:14) Bitwise Makes a Wise Decision

(00:50:16) 🌀 Whirlpool GUI: Mix to XPUB 🌀

(00:53:18) Why Do You Never Respond To Me Anymore?

(00:56:17) What About You Q?

(00:59:38) Antomous, the Jetsetter, is Madeira Bound ✈️

(01:01:44) Pubkey 🍺 Self-Custody Workshop w/ Foundation Devices

(01:02:04) It's Not Short, It's SUCCINCT

[00:00:04] Unknown:

Bitcoin   is close to becoming worthless.   Bitcoin.   Now what's the Bitcoin?  

[00:00:19] Unknown:

Bitcoin's like rat poison. Shit.  

[00:00:22] Unknown:

Oh.  

[00:00:23] Unknown:

The greatest scam in history.   Let's get it.  

[00:00:27] Unknown:

Bitcoin will go to fucking 0.   Yeah.  

[00:00:42] Unknown:

Alright, you ungovernable misfits.   I'm your host, Max.   Everybody knows that Bitcoin is useless, worthless and doomed to fail. But what if everyone's wrong?   What if it's the system that is doomed to fail?   Join me as I speak to some of the brightest people in the space and slither to the deepest, darkest depths of the Bitcoin rabbit hole.   Welcome back.   Today's episode of Bitcoin Monthly is recorded with Bitcoin Q and A and Antomous   We do it every month,   and we do this so that you don't have to spend hours every day   searching through all the updates   in the Bitcoin and open source world.  

We do our best to filter out all the noise and get to the signal.   But maybe there's a topic that you particularly want us to cover   or you have questions on something that we cover in this episode.   If you do, you can send us a boost on any of the podcasting 2 point o platforms,   and we will cover it on the next show.   Actually, we will probably cover it. If it's stupid or scammy   or just nonsense,   we won't cover it. And if you want your stats back, you can ask us. We might give them back. We might not. We might tell you to fuck off if it's scammy. Anyway, loads to cover in this episode, so we'll crack on.   Before we start, I wanna say thank you to Foundation   Devices for sponsoring this show. We wouldn't be able to make it without them,   And I appreciate that they sponsored this show despite knowing that I would show their product to friends and family and listeners anyway.  

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[00:03:55] Unknown:

I was gonna mention it. Shit. I feel like I've been waiting for this moment my whole life.  

[00:04:02] Unknown:

It's better, isn't it? I was like, is he taking it off Spotify? Like, what the fuck? I can't find it anymore. And then I was like, ah.  

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Yeah. The only downside with it is people can't really find us because we used to be right up at the top because it was b, and now we're u, so we're much further down. But people will find the signal eventually.  

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I think it's better. Good move. I, wanna commend mister Linkinparkrulz for,   all of the work he's been putting in behind the scenes with all of the, chapters and things like that. Really does add a really nice kind of professionalism   to to counteract   the   host.   Exactly.  

[00:04:44] Unknown:

Ying and yang. Perfect balance. No. He's been fucking unbelievable. I love the little chapter bits where you can see, like, he's put gifts in there and stuff like that. He's got that working somehow. There's, like, Medi with these, like, sunglasses   and smoking a blunt,   and he's got he's got the foundation devices thing spinning around and Altair tech. It's fucking cool. Nice work, gentlemen. Yeah. Very nice. I've seen you having a bitch and a moan queue. What's all this dice rolls thing? Every time I go on to Twitter, which is not that often now, it's every time I go for shit, and I open it up, and all I ever see is just you whinging about dice. What's going on? Yeah. Alright. So to set the scene, over the course of the last maybe  

[00:05:28] Unknown:

4 months, I've either had people coming directly to me or to people that I know who have either lost funds directly themselves   or no people in their Bitcoin circles that have lost funds directly. The common denominator between all of these people, and I'd say there's probably 5 or 6 now, unfortunately,   is that they have dice rolled   their seeds   using a specific hardware wallet that rhymes with bolt, bard.   The critique that I'm about to give is is fairly generic. Okay? So these people   have done dice rolls in a really shitty way, basically. They've done a handful of rolls, like less than 10. The seed that that they've generated,   is dog shit, basically. It's it's on a known list of low entropy seeds that attackers just monitor. And as soon as any funds get dropped into those, the addresses that are controlled by these crappy seeds, poof, see you later. Savings, all gone,   Which is a horrible, horrible situation. I don't wish it on anybody. Right? So there's a couple of things here. It's like, number 1, you know, the main gripe and what I've been moaning about is don't do dice rolls   to generate your seed unless you really know what's going on. If you don't fully understand it and you don't understand, like, the the impact of dice rolls on entropy and how they convert to a seed word and blah blah blah, then just don't do it. Hardware wallet manufacturers spend 1,000,000 of dollars every year researching and implementing the best forms of randomness they can.  

So don't try and be clever because somebody on a podcaster on Twitter said that you should do dice rolls if you don't fully understand what's going on. I will caveat that by saying, if you do them correctly   the exact way that they should be done, then there's nothing wrong with it. The problem is   most people don't know how to do it properly, and there's a concerted effort from some influencers in the space to make this standard practice.   And you get fucking uncle Joe listening to a podcast for the first time. And he hears an influencer saying, you should do this. You buy yourself a call card and do dice rolls. And the fallout, unfortunately, sometimes is that those people don't understand the implications, and they lose all their shit. And it's not a nice situation for that person for obvious reasons.   The main thing I'm moaning about is they shouldn't be pushed as normal standard practice.  

And then the other gripe, which unfortunately is directed to a specific hardware wallet, I'll let you guys read between the lines as to which one that is, is older versions of that firmware, which probably thousands of people are still running,   has no software protections at all to stop uneducated   people   entering, like, 2 or 3 dice rolls and using that seed. So they're basically just allowing people to just give their money to attackers.   I will caveat that by saying that later versions of the firmware in that specific hardware wallet have now patched this issue, and you have to put a minimum amount of roles   to generate a 12 or 24 word seat so that you've got sufficient entropy, which is great. Problem is 2 things.  

There's thousands of customers out there that don't know about this because it's gone largely unmentioned by that company in question and all of the influencers that are on the payroll of said company.   And the update is not available for the old the older device. They just don't provide updates for that anymore. So if you've got a mark 3 hardware wallet that runs with Bolbard, then you're shit out of luck. Make sure you know what you're doing.  

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Okay. Questions quickly. I'll get the stupid questions in before Antimus gets the smart ones. If   someone is doing this, even if they're   slightly retarded like me,   if they do it and they do,   say,   one roll,   Okay? So they get their seed   generated by the cold card mark 3 on this old firmware.   Then they do one dice roll, are you basically saying that whatever entropy   was generated   by the device,   which was probably initially quite good, is now   much worse because of the dice roll, because I was under the impression that it was adding entropy   and randomness  

[00:09:26] Unknown:

to something that was already random. Yeah. I I'm glad you brought this up, actually. So the answer to your question is no. It doesn't. That is additive dice rolls. So you're already using the very, very, very good entropy generation that the goal card or any hardware wallet has.   If you add dice rolls on top of that, you're fine. The issue that I'm describing earlier is where people go from 0 entropy, and they do 3 dice rolls, and they use that result as their seed. I didn't even know that that was a thing because Unfortunately, yes. So that was like an advanced  

[00:09:57] Unknown:

feature that is pushed by people. Because that doesn't make any sense to me. It's like well, firstly, the most simple thing and a pretty fucking good thing is just to have the randomness generated   by one of these devices, which as you say has spent 1,000,000 of dollars to make sure that it's very, very good. And then   just add a decent passphrase because then you're not trusting the randomness,   and you're not   trusting that hardware manufacturer   that even if there was some way that they backdoored it or the entry wasn't very good, you've still effectively added more because you've got a passphrase, and so they're not gonna get your funds as long as you've got the passphrase. And then if you're not doing that, which is, like, the most simple thing,   then why not just add the entropy   rather than  

[00:10:43] Unknown:

just roll dice? That doesn't make any sense to me. So the main reason that the talking heads have been pushing just the dice rolls is because they do that as a method so that you don't have to put any trust whatsoever   in the random number generation of the hardware wallet itself, which, again, if you wanna do that and you know how to do it properly, it's absolutely fine. I can see the value in that for advanced users. It's much easier to verify some dice rolls than it is to verify the 3 different random sources on a hardware wallet, which basically is impossible for most people. Right?   So that that's the narrative and that's the push, but the problem is that well, the problem is what I said earlier. Mhmm. Plus the fact that   most people doing this don't know how to verify the dice rolls, which is nontrivial. There there are ways that you can do it, and there's the ways that allow you to have less trust in the hardware wallet random number generation. You can achieve it. The problem is most people are doing it because a talking head told them to do it and rolling some dice and getting a result in seed makes them feel nice and safe and warm and cozy.  



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Mhmm. Antimus? Yeah. I definitely agree with the premise here that this should definitely be a a power user feature and not something that is pushed onto everyone who's just getting into this. And there should be pretty strict   guardrails   implemented   on the hardware, what or whatever software you're using to generate this.   There are 2 things. I mean, the one,   as Hugh just mentioned, I think that is a valid point that this is a method that is absolutely, like, deterministic from a user's perspective.   So if I have 3 different hardware wallets and a software just like a Python script running on my laptop, I can enter these dice rolls into all of these devices, and I'll get the exact same result, which is cool to verify that they're all, like, running the software as intended. Right? And I can do this a couple of times so I'm sure that this is happening, and then I can create my final seed that I'm using long term on one of the devices.   I think that is a valid use case, but obviously with the caveat that this is a power user feature, and you should definitely know what you're doing.  

The next issue with this method   is then even if you are doing everything correctly from a procedure standpoint of rolling enough times, you still have to have good dice. Right?   If you're only using, like, one and that one's not manufactured well, then you'll still have a bias in your rolls, so this will lower your entropy as well. If you do roll 50, 100, 150 times, whatever, it won't be as as easy to crack as if you only if you roll, like, 3, 4 times, but it there still will be a bias in your entropy. Good point. Also there, you'll have to check that you have the correct dice. Ideally, check for biases yourself beforehand. You use multiple dice, this kind of thing. So there are additional layers that you have to be aware of here, not just the fact that you have to roll a sufficient amount of times. Just to be very, very clear here, by the way, my issue is not with dice rolls per se. I've done this before for my own seats because I like to think that I know what I'm doing. Right? I reckon, isn't it? My issue is pushing this as standard practice for people that just enter in the space.  

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And the second issue is a lack of software protection to stop people doing stupid shit.   The latter has been partially fixed,  

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but you can't fix the first one because it's people's opinions, and I just don't think it should be pushed as widely and as commonly as it has been. It's dangerous. We've we've seen that, unfortunately, in the last 6 months. I've never heard, other than you on Twitter, I've never heard it mentioned once anywhere. And you know why that is? I speak to a fair amount of people in the industry, and I can imagine why that might be. But it's not good. You're fucking around with people's lives. And if that is the advice that's been given   to use just dice rolls, people really need to rethink that. If you're really skilled, then fine. Go for it. But I just it just makes no sense. I didn't know people were doing that. Yeah. What I'd like to see is and maybe I I just haven't found this or seen this shared  

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widely, but a comprehensive in-depth   article or tutorial or some kind of explainer   of all the different variables that go into a process like that and, like, what exactly to do if you wanna be sure that you're doing this correctly. Because I think it's very valuable   that like, you are doing, q, like, highlighting the issues, but I think there still will be a lot of people who who want to do this, who think they have enough knowledge to do so, but   still want or need a some kind of, like, a guideline of the steps to take to be sure that they're doing this correctly. I don't know. Maybe I've missed this, but it would be great to have that resource.  

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Yeah. I I agree. I mean, like I say, the bare minimum at the software level, wherever you're inputting these dice rolls, if they enforce a minimum number of rolls, even if you've got shitty dice, you could be fairly confident that you're fairly well protected because there's that much entropy that your seed is kind of being derived from, that you've got that buffer zone that even if you're crap at rolling dice or there's bias in your dice or whatever, the fact that there's so many in there will give you some protection anyway. If we don't have that enforcement,   that's where people will do stupid shit, unfortunately.  

So this is an isolated issue with a single manufacturer that's partially fixed it with their new devices.   The old one's no good,   in this respect. The the the fix is just not there. But if you use something like SeedSiner, I believe they enforce minimum roles on to miss. In fact, I'm almost certain they do. Yeah. There's 50 roles  

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for a 12 word seed and a 100 for a 24 word seed.  

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Exactly. So you've already got that protection. So even if you throw a complete noob into this, the software has that basic protection in to kind of cover them against being a complete doofus, a lot of people at least. Yeah. That's good. And then presumably,  

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the advice would be to also use a passphrase  

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on top. Yes. In the right application. Exactly the same as dashboards. They're a powerful tool if you know how to handle them properly, and and passphrases are no different. I think they are different. It's difficult to say. I think they are different. No. I I mean different in terms of I would never come out and say everyone should use a passphrase because I I don't think it's right for most people, but for a lot of people at least. What I mean is, like,  

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if I'm suggesting to a friend who's, like,   not that techie,   I'd still say use a passphrase. I just really hammer in that you keep this separate. You write it down. You have it in 2 separate locations. You   absolutely make sure that you have it right, and you understand that without this, you're fucked. Because they're already writing down 12 or 24   words. Mhmm. So, like, what's one extra phrase that it's just, like, one extra thing they've gotta keep. Like, I think for the extra protection of, like, them knowing,   okay. Even if somehow the device I'm using, however I'm generating my seed is compromised, I still have some extra security,   and it comes with lots of other added benefits and stuff. I think, like, the added benefit of doing that is massive.  

The added benefit of doing the dice rolls is more that you feel warm and and nice inside when you do it   more than actually real security, especially when you're using good quality hardware.   So   that's my point is, like, a, it's easier, and, b, it comes with more protections than dice rolls, so it's more important. Yeah. Definitely, more secure. Completely agree with that one. I think we'll agree to disagree on that everybody should use 1, but, yeah, I completely with you in terms of the comparison with dice rolls. Okay. Well, it's good to know. I'm sorry to anyone who's lost funds. That's shit. I hope it wasn't everything.   It's good that people know. And   if maybe someone's listening to this who's done that, and if you have and you haven't been swept yet, then   consider generating a new seed. And,  

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yeah, I hope it doesn't happen to you. Yeah. See, that's the sorry to drag this on a little bit, but that's the catch 22. Right? There's bound to be people listening to this now that are going,   I don't remember how many I did. And you can't go backwards from a seed phrase to work out how much entropy was used to generate that seed phrase. So it's like you're never gonna know for sure. So I apologize if this conversation for the last 20 minutes is gonna worry some people, but I guess it just has to be said because I don't want any more DMs that are like, you know, I did this, and now I've lost this amount.  

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It's horrible. Yeah. It's horrendous.   Well, it's better to on the side of caution. Just because you haven't been swept now doesn't mean it's not gonna happen  

[00:19:10] Unknown:

for the sake of, you know, an hour or 2 hours or whatever it takes you to generate something new. It's also not the worst thing to think about your security and change things up every now and again or at least refresh things. So Yeah. Yeah. And and please, nobody listen to this and start to panic and run out and go and do something stupid and start rushing with private key material and stuff like that because that's also when bad shit happens. If you need any advice, you know, I'm sure you can DM any of us. My DMs are open, but, like, don't start panicking and do irrational things because that's also when you can screw yourself out of funds. Definitely.  

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Closing question slash comment is just to   reiterate,   it isn't a problem if someone has generated   a seed on the device,   and then they've added entropy by doing dice rolls.   That's not the issue. The issue is if somebody has created a seed using just dice rolls. That is the concern. With not enough dice rolls is the crucial bit. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.   Well, thanks for bringing it to the attention. Now I actually know what you were talking about on Twitter, and I hope none of our listeners have been affected. Probably not because   we don't really show that product, and we've never talked about doing that. I don't think ever, but I hope it hasn't affected any of you.  

Lighter note, I've got a couple of boosts   that have come in. We've changed across to using Saturn   rather than Fountain because I still can't fucking use the thing. It's driving me mad. Lincoln Park Rules has set me up with this thing. So I'm now reading all boosts   from all different platforms that I can now do that I couldn't before. And from our last show, we have a few here.   Revolution   77,   fuck ledger.   That's very sweet. I'm sure they'll appreciate that.  

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I think that's the best beast I've ever heard. Yes. It is. Yeah. On point.   Yeah. So I'm not minceing these words there, is he?  

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John, these new fountain features are very slick. Lincoln, you really have brought so much value to the pod. You're awesome.   Can confirm.  

[00:21:12] Unknown:

Wait. Is that is that John boosting himself? No. It's John boosting our show. Oh, okay. Well, thanks, John. This is, this is from our last show. Oh, okay.  

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MCOT 3 d. Cheers with 2 beers. Nick Hygiene.   No. Not not Nick. Nicky Jean.   Nicky Jean. Nick Hygiene.   Nicky Jean.   Thumbs up.   Pies.   Mushroom, mushroom, mushroom, mushroom, mushroom, mushroom.   Chad Farrow, love the new podcasting 2 point o features you've added. I've been trying to get Marty Bent to add chapter to his podcast, and for some reason, I can't see the rest of the message.   8 Mithrandir,   high quality   as usual.   So thanks to everyone who is boosting.   And if anyone wants   to shout out and say fuck you to anyone else, we appreciate it.  

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And if anyone has any questions, you can also reach out. Cool. I love to hear this. We got anything in the list? Got a couple of things in the list. Yeah. It's been a been a bit of a busy month. Okay.   Yeah. So just, starting off with a couple of updates. We've got,   samurai atomic swaps to XMR.   So it's Monero   in public beta, and this is quite cool. So you've got, like, a a desktop   app that you can now use for atomic swaps.   So if you wanna   jump over to Monero   Houston. I haven't used the app yet. No. I've if I've gone down this route, I've used this Okay. Up to now, but this makes things quite a bit more   seamless.  

It's a standalone app at the moment, so and and still very, like, experimental.   But   there are I think there is a pretty large user base of people who do jump over to Monero for for payments. Yep. So, I think this could could grow in popularity, and and we'll see. Maybe maybe at some point, we'll have this integrated into Samurais. I'm not sure if that's on the road map or not, but at the moment, it's still stand alone. Yeah. We covered it a bit last month on sort of why you might use it. But, yeah, it's cool to see. I've not yet used it. I'm still using separate swap services, and I only use it for TX Zeros because it just seems to be the best option. It's good to see it growing. And there was also a massive drop in the,  

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price on Monero because they got delisted from one of the exchanges.   So it's quite nice timing to for people to do those swaps for their smaller amounts that they need to get out and   change across.  

[00:23:40] Unknown:

Then we've got Bolt's web app.   They've now got Taproot swaps   in there, which is quite nice. I haven't used that myself,   but if you wanna   it's it's just a nice way to to   rebalance your channels so you don't have to   it's a way that you can switch backwards and forwards between On Chain and Lightning to to refund your channels   without having to open up new channels. So you can use use Taproot there. Now now the last couple of days, there's been less high fees on the, in the mempool,   but a couple of weeks ago, that that was a completely different story. So, we'll see how that trend goes on, but it's nice to have these tools if if you wanna rebalance your your channels  

[00:24:24] Unknown:

without having to actually open up new ones. Yeah. Definitely. It's nice to see the mempool a bit clearer, cheaper transactions.   I went yesterday   to go and make use of this and move some things around,   and   my node went down. Oh. So,   yeah, this morning, I've been fucking around trying to fix it. I went actually to go and I have some issues on one of my wallets, so I wanted to go and sort that. That,   I couldn't do because   it wasn't connected to the node. Then I ended up fucking around with the nodes. Still haven't fixed that. So   I can't actually   make any payments at the moment, which is quite frustrating, but it is good to see these fees coming down. I think it's quite ironic  

[00:25:06] Unknown:

Max and I are going out tomorrow together, and all of a sudden, his wallet's broken. So he can't pay for anything.   I see you. I know your game.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. No. I can't. I can't do anything. All my bank cards have been frozen as well. So you're alright though, mate. You'll cover me, won't you? I got you. How low are we still going? How low are we going? What, on fees? Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I don't make predictions like that. I'm too dumb. Wait. What's the question? How how low the mempool's gonna get? Yeah.  

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I don't know. I we we we seem to be floating with that 10 sapper biting them low. We can never seem to break below it. So there seems to be a fairly steady demand at the moment to keep it above that. Yeah. Single digits would be nice. Mhmm. 10's not bad. Yeah. I mean, 10 feels like free after the last 6 months. Well, I had someone contacting me today,  

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a friend of mine who'd got locked out and couldn't get into their wallet and was panicking and all this sort of stuff. So I said, alright. Well, once they got in, just send the funds out to something else where you make sure you've you've written down your seed words and everything. And he was like, how much is it gonna cost? I heard it's really expensive. And I looked. I was like, about a dollar.   So that's not so bad. I don't know why we're whinging about a dollar or a dollar 50. There we go. Not bad for,  

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truly   uncensorable   money that it can send anywhere globally.  

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Yeah. I wrote to him. I said, look. You can do 2 or 3 transactions because you wanna keep it separate. You don't wanna merge all of these. So I said to him, just make the 3 transactions.   It's gonna cost you a dollar 50 each one. So, you know, you should be alright with that. He was like, yeah. I think I can afford this. This will be fine.   Like, it's   less of a panic. Because the way he said it at first was like, yeah. I've heard I'm not gonna be able to make the payment, and it's, like, pointless. And the whole thing's failing, and   I was like, oof. You used to turn Twitter off, mate.  



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I think that's good advice for most people, to be honest. Yeah. Myself included. I heard these wizards have taken it over.  

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No. We're fine. We're fine. Yeah. On that note, it's good to see more pay join support with Mutiny Wallet, the 0.5.7.   So this is a wallet for Android and also for Web Bitcoin on chain and also   Lightning, and they've implemented PayJoin.   So so this is cool. I don't use the wallet personally, but, I mean, this is something that we've been talking about for ages. Celebrating every whatever that implements these these tools.  

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So so it's nice to see one more added to the list. Very nice. On that note, did you see, speaking of munity and progressive web apps, did you see that Apple has basically   nuked them all in the EU? No.   What? How lovely. The ironic thing is, right, these PWAs were supposed to be like a workaround from Apple's walled garden and the the App Store. Right? And Apple   came out   yesterday with an update. I think it's yesterday or this week at some point with an update. IOS 17.4,   it basically disables progressive web apps for all users in the European Union. Fuck.  

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But why? Didn't they wasn't them that they are implementing   these alternative marketplaces  

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in the EU. Is that related? Yes. Well, they're being forced to do that. Right? Yeah. But there's lots of caveats to it. The main one being that you need to have at least $1,000,000   in capital to be able to publish an app through these third party app stores. It's not the utopia that everybody thought it was gonna be. There's still a shit ton of restrictions. You still have to give them a big cut of any in app payment. So, like, it ain't an Android replacement.   But, anyway, back to the the PWAs,   a quote from Mutiny about this yesterday that says, a foolish and malicious cop out by Apple. What does this mean for mutiny users?   If you've installed as a progressive web app, the data is segregated.  

With the new update, Apple will bounce you to Safari, which still works. However, it'll be completely blank.   Be sure to back up your seed phrase. Shit.  

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Quality.  

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Not good.   Hardly surprising, though. I mean, you know,   walled garden connoisseur doesn't like holes in their wall  

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shock. They do make a nice wall, though, Let's be honest. Absolutely.  

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The ecosystem they have is beautiful. You know, it it everything's just very slick. Well, you know, trade offs, man. Trade offs. Just works. But in this case, I mean, this is brutal. I mean, especially if you've got a hot wallet on there with your lightning wallet   and you can't get access to that anymore, and you don't have a backup.  

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The ironic thing here is that Apple is blaming the new EU regulations that roll in what we've just been talking about about about, like, all of the extra onerous requirements and additional app stores and things like that. Apple are blaming that as to why they've had to remove this,   PWA support for a safety feature.   Fuck.   So it's basically Apple sticking the middle finger up to the EU, which I can kind of, you know, appreciate as a private business. But just to be clear, the 1,000,000 that you need in reserves, was that for people wanting to list on alternative  

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marketplaces or if you wanna run an alternative marketplace?  

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I don't know. I think it's if you want to list.   And the other part of information I've just come back to me now is that every single app download   costs like €3. So if you publish   via one of these app stores, right, you have to pay Apple €3 for every single download that your app gets. I think it was €3. It's more than a couple of euros anyway. Shit. Wow.  

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Why can't someone make   hardware that's good   that isn't Apple? Why can't this like, do you know what I mean? There's gotta be a fucking way that this can happen. I thought that's what was happening with Starbuck. I was like, oh, yeah. This is really nice. This is quality. And it's not. It's like Apple's retarded fucking inbred  

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friend. It's shit. I don't think hardware's the issue, especially in the phone ecosystem. Right? The latest pixels are mind blowing. Right? Agree. It's the issue is is the software. And with Android, it's just an open source operating system. Right? Yeah. Because you don't have that walled garden where you can tightly control  

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every single user interaction, it's never gonna be a slick. It's just you're never gonna fix that. I don't know. I think Android is pretty okay. I prefer using iPhone. I think it's better in terms of just usability,   but it's pretty good. Like, I'd happily just use Android for phone. But when it comes to a laptop,   the difference between using my MacBook and anything else that I've used running Linux is   fucking night and day. They feel shit. They're plastic. They break all the time. Battery's fucking dark. Just they're shit.   And the whole ecosystem is shit, and nothing works. And I've tried   multiple different things   over the years, and it's like, you know, if you have, like, an iPhone compared to Android, maybe, like, the iPhone's   20%   easier to use or something like that. When it comes to   laptops,   it's like   tenfold.  



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Yeah. I mean, I I tend to agree, especially for   the average use case of people just doing run of the mill day to day stuff. And, yeah, I I would agree because it's just just more mainstream.   And I think the biggest selling point is all of the integrations.   If you're if you've got an iPhone, an Apple Watch, a MacBook,   all of that shit just works together. It all hands off from one to the other, and it all like you say, it just works, And that's what most people care about, isn't it?   Most people don't give a shit whether their operating system is open source and whether they can verify the fucking binaries and blah blah blah. Yep. Yeah. And then you throw in a few AirTags in there. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. Well, do we make the,   the Apple   I was gonna call them Apple Goggles then, the Apple Vision. They're really good, mate.  



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Continue. Well, they're fucking amazing. I got mine, like, 2, 3 weeks ago now,   and it's a game changer.   Have you got your Pornhub subscription yet? I don't subscribe because I'm quite tight. You can get most of it for free. Fair.   But, yeah, it's it's really good. Like, I can be doing my editing whilst having a wank, taking the shit, and   doing a bit of light reading on Twitter.   It's just a game changer. I just think, like,   I had too much time and bandwidth before. Now what I like to do with these things is do at least 10 things at once really badly.  

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It's just a better experience. Do you know what the best thing about the whole release for me was? Is that every single Internet meme   has been rebirthed,   but with people just wearing   Apple Vision. And it's just every single meme, even if I've seen it a 1000000 times with Apple Vision Pro on the people that are involved, it's just funny again.   So you haven't bought some then? No. Not yet. No. Can't see myself, doing so anytime soon.  

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Antimus?   Thoughts?  

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No fucking way. I mean, it was a pretty genius move to have, like, the screen recording and, like, so every anyone can just, like, record what they see. So it's, like, really easy to post videos about this. That was a pretty pretty nice move to have that because it's just Mhmm. The the amount of free marketing for that thing was is insane. Mhmm. This is true. But it's like, what, 5 k for something that's gonna be absolutely outdated in 2 years or, like, 1 year? Yeah. I I don't think it will have the same same stability,   as, like, a MacBook or something that's still usable in 5 years. No.  



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But you can, like, watch movies   if we go back a few years. Like, being honest, would I actually like this? If I went back sort of 4, 5 years when I smoked a lot of weed and, like, liked watching movies   and, like, fucking around,   I probably would have loved these. If you're at home alone, no one's around, you haven't got a family, and you just, like,   put these on and get immersed and get high, it probably would be quite cool  

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if we're on the I agree. Yeah. I I think one of the one of the main thing well, one of the only things I'm really keen to try with these things is watching a movie in them.   I think it will be awesome to just, like, you know, set the screen as big as you like and just, like you say, get immersed into it. But you see videos of, like, people using these on the train and and in public, and just looks so tragic. Oh, it's fucking retarded. I would never  

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I would never go in public like that. You just get mugged. We live in the UK. If you walked out in either of our cities   and you wore them, you're gonna get mugged immediately.  

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Immediately. Or someone's at least gonna spit on you or call you a come. Yeah. Completely right. Speaking of the of the c bomb, actually, Max, I was on a podcast yesterday with a with a chap from,   Discovering   Bitcoin, his his podcast is called, and, he wanted me to pass on his commendations   for your use of the c word. So here it is. Well done. Oh, he likes it? Oh, yeah. He loves it. Yeah. Yeah. Good laugh. He said that was the best part of the podcast. It's the only good part of any of my podcast.   He's an Aussie, though. So, I mean, they they kind of like that word as well, don't they? They do. He's a good cunt.   I thought that was bass load then.  



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What else we got? We've got,  

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Zeus v 0.8.1.   So they've got a noster contact   import   as well as stand alone POS, so point of sale. Yeah. The first Nostra contact import. So you can just, like, import your   your public key, and this will automatically import all of your contacts into Zeus   and so you can then directly   send payments,   via Zeus to anyone you have, added on in on Loster.   So this is   one more bridge between the ecosystems.  

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Is Nosta  

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is it fucking pointless, or is it good? I don't know. I've I've been, like, going backwards or forwards, like like, every, like, 6 months. I'm like, I'll give it another shot.   It takes, like, a week or 2, and then it kinda drains out again. And then, like, I'll I'll do another round in in a couple of months.  

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My gut tells me it's a bit shit. And then, like,   I keep getting people pop up and be like, oh, yeah. You gotta get an osteo and do this. Nosto stuff and nosto and zaps and   people were, like, hyped about it. And I'm like, every time we go on there, my experience is a bit like, it's a bit of shit. I   I don't really understand it enough to get, like, excited about the technical side, any of that. I just I just never find myself going, oh, I'm gonna go on Nosta today.   Is that just me being dumb, or is is there a point to all this queue? No.  

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I've,   gone back and forth on it. I go back and forth on on Nosta in the same way I do with Lightning, basically.   Some days, I think it's really cool, and it shows a lot of promise. And then other days, I think it's really shit, and then I won't touch it for, like, 3 weeks. So I think maybe the underlying tech has some potential.   But as a purely as a social media replacement, it just bores me, to be honest. Like, it's very much just an echo chamber at the moment. It's just Bitcoin Twitter with a bit less toxicity, so I don't need 2 of those in my life. Yeah. The issue is also that it's like a whole new  

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ecosystem. Right? It's not just a different, like, social media app. Like, you've got one app, and you just open it up, and every now and again, you've got improvements. Like, you gotta kind of stay stay on the ball and, like, check that there are loads of different ways to access it and then their new improvements on this app, but not on this app. And then if you're using Android, you gotta   do different things than on on iOS and all this kind of stuff. And it's just like the the amount of   stuff you got you can, like, kind of keep track of, is a lot higher than just having, like, one   social media app,   to access this. So   maybe this will, like, consolidate   over time, and there will just be, like,   more standard ways,   to do this. Now it will be more accessible.  



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But at the moment, I've still got the the feeling that, or at least this is, like, from a couple of months ago, the the end of last year, the last time I kind of dabbled there a bit. Okay. Well, I'm not alone then. I sometimes wonder, like, oh, am I really missing something? Should I really focus some more time on this? And then I every time I'm like, no. I haven't got time for it. I I while we've just been talking, I have just imported my Noster contacts into Zeus. And I will say that that is pretty fucking cool. Like, I just pasted in my NPUB, and now I've got hundreds of people in there that I don't need to, like, type anything in. I can just tap on their face and send them some sats. That's quite cool. I'm not saying you can't do that without Nosta. Mhmm. But, again, it it's about for me, the the benefit and the selling point is how   the underlying technology, like, basically, just a private public keypad,   it enables you to   interact with your contacts in a number of ways. You know, I've just described one where it's,   important number of contacts, and I can just send them some sats without interacting directly with them. Like, that's a very cool use case. I think it's stuff like that that is gonna be the selling point versus,   you know, just a Twitter replacement. Yeah. So  

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maybe it's that. Maybe it's just that it's early, and it's cool for people who are really techie and have time on their hands and get excited about it. But it's not that cool yet for   people   who can't really be asked to fuck around with it, but it could be.   There's definitely promise.  

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Yeah.   The other thing that Zeus implemented was the the   point of sale. Up till now, the only option you had there was basically a a BTC pay server, but here, you now have the the point of sale terminal,   within the Zeus app. So you can put in some products   and and have, like, a a nice little,   dashboard for   for customers to and or you can, like, use it yourself. But if you if you're selling something,   somewhere, then you can quickly select a product and whatever with taxes and all that kind of stuff and quickly   spin up a an invoice. Very nice. Next on the list is Nunchuk.  

So there's a bunch of different, updates for desktop and Android and iOS,   different version numbers, but at the end of the day, it's the same updates. They've updated,   their Byzantine   package   for collaborative custody.   But the one update that was pretty cool was,   like the cancel feature via RBF. So if you send a payment and then you want to cancel it before it's been confirmed,   you can do so with a cancel feature, which is just a lot more intuitive than using   RBF,   to send back to yourself again. So this, is just for for users. It's a it's a layer of obfuscation, but, yeah, it's it's a it's a large usability improvement in my view,   because   I think there are a lot of users who aren't quite sure exactly what all these abbreviations,   actually mean and how to use them. So   just knowing that there's a button to cancel your payment,   that's active for a certain amount of time is  

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a lot more intuitive to use. Yeah. Big fan of this feature. We've got the exact same thing coming into, the next version of Ombway as well. Massive usability.   Improvement for basic customers that if you use, like, a banking app or or something like that, you you always are used to having that ability to kind of cancel or go back on a payment if you did the wrong thing or something like that. So having the ability to do that within Bitcoin is is important in my opinion. So, yeah, hats off to the non choke guys. Yeah. And even for those who who do know what RBF is, I've been in a few situations  

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once myself and twice also,   via other people,   who contact me,   who had who either sent   a a payment to a wrong address or, in another case, there was actually someone who who had their funds swept,   and was trying to retrieve this. So, having a quick   solution,   to do this and not having to import into a wallet that has RBF capabilities   and then   getting the your own receive address and all that kind of stuff and punching it in,   all that hassle,   under a high stress situation.   It it's   great to have this this solution.   Alright. So that was it for the updates.  

We've now got a few, like, news points as well. So first of all, the Bitcoin developer mailing list has migrated   from   the   what was it? Before end of the lin Linux Foundation   hosted by them and has now been pushed to Google Groups.   So, obviously,   there was a bit of pushback there in the community,   going,   from from the the Linux Foundation to Google. But at the end of the day, there's not much   that relies on on Google there. There are I archives that you can host individually   to preserve all the data, and you can hook up to this,   via different,   feeds. So,   it doesn't look great on the surface, but I don't think this is a major issue. Just feels a bit dirty, doesn't it? But, yeah, from a technical standpoint, you're right. Not in a good way. Yeah.  



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So, presumably,   it doesn't matter because   all of what they're doing is out in the open anyway.   So you presume that it's seen by wherever it's hosted Right. Anyway.   I mean, it's open source. It's kind of like anyone can see it, so it doesn't matter,   I guess.  

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Is that the point? I presume the only downside is that you   I don't know if you can use Google Groups and actually post without having a Google account.   I don't know about that. Oh,  

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that's county if that's this case. I believe you can. Yeah. I think you can. Expect to get rug pulled on that in the future, though. Yeah. Because that's a that's a big one. I know you can definitely read, so you can get feeds  

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even outside,   the Google Groups. So you don't actually have to use their website to get get a feed,   but I don't know if you can post. Okay.  

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Well, for now, it doesn't bother me too much other than the name, but   we'll see. Let's see. I mean, GitHub's owned by Microsoft. Right? I mean Exactly. Which is worse? I don't know.  

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Yeah. So at the end of the day   yeah.   Spiral awards grant   to Plebhash.   So, Klephash is working on Straton v 2. So so that's nice to see a grant,   being pushed that way. Still hoping   that that will be more widely adopted  

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sooner rather than later, but I'm not holding holding my breath there. I'll pester John about that if he listens to this. Can we cover that on the next show, mate? Can we go into a bit more detail? He can do some mining, digging, and find out something interesting about it. Yeah. I mean, there was a bit of a push, like, at the end of the year, but that kind of subsided  

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pretty quickly again. What was the pool called again, the new one? Ocean. Ocean. There we go. That's who I use now, quality.  

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Exactly.  

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Yeah. Fucking coin. I'm all over Ocean. But, I mean, they will hype here, and then they're like, ah, yeah. But we're not actually gonna use it at the moment. But they are actually blocking transactions, so that's good. There we go. They are filtering spam, so I just like that about them. To each their own.   Yes. And we've got a European Bitcoin Energy Association.   It's pretty funny.   Yeah. Yeah. There's a here in there's a bunch of companies here from from Germany that have   come together.   I think it's under the lead of Terahash.   They're trying to to push   Bitcoin mining friendly   regulations here in the EU. Good luck. I'm not holding my breath.  

So it's like,   alright. Okay.   Yeah. Yeah. So   I don't think they'll we'll hear much from them in the future. No.   But, I mean, we've had this at least similar themed   topics over the last couple of, months already, but there's been another   phishing,   attempt this time coming from Trezza again.   So there's been unauthorized email   impersonating   via the Trezza   email provider.  

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That's a new one.  

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Nice.   This is actually pretty scary,   because they   managed to get access   via the email provider,   this the third party email provider that Trezor uses, and the hacker got access   to be able to send   emails via the Trezor   email server. So the emails actually came from Trezor, but we're phishing emails,   which, had a link in them, which directed also to a Trezor website and then redirected   further to a   site that that sweeps your funds if you enter your seed. So this was a pretty sophisticated  

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attack. Yeah. Pretty pretty scary. Pretty wild that, yeah, seemingly coming from a legit,  

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email address. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, I mean, there are obviously a lot of precautions that you should take if you get one of these emails, and they're, like, the first few precautions   to take or checks to make, this would have passed. So so that is scary. But at the end of the day,   this this same, like, best practice holds. Like, never click a link in an email.   And if you think this is legit, go to the official website and or check their Twitter page or whatever channels they use to to put out new,   information and,  

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double, triple, quadruple check your this information before doing anything. And whatever you do, don't put in your secrets with this standard top All all of these types of scams, be it originated from Telegram, email, phishing, whatever it is, all end up with the same solution for the scammers is that they want you to enter your seed words into a website, generally speaking, because it's easier for them to spin up, or an app that they will send you. If anybody is asking you to put your seed words anywhere other than your hardware wallet, it's a scam. Simple as. Just don't do it. This is the last point on the list for today. Bitwise,  

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this is so one of the ETFs.   I mean, usually, these aren't, topics that we highlight here, but it was actually quite cool to see that they   open sourced or published   their Bitcoin addresses.   So, you can actually   see the funds coming in, going out, and sitting there. I I think this is a good good move by them.   They they were using,   like, legacy addresses at the beginning, which is   pretty funny to see. And it's also a single sig, like, holding   1,000,000. Were they holding something like, I don't know, a couple of 1,000 Bitcoin? Yeah. But they've they've moved to Segway at least now. These are the ones that are pledging, like, a percentage of their profits  

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to fund open source  

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contributors. Right? Exactly. Cool. Yeah. And I think it's a it's a pretty large portion as well. I think it was something like 10, 20% or something of their profits. Oh. Pretty large. So, yeah, if you've   got some funds that you have to keep in the system,   this might be the best of the worst.  

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I, have just found a couple of points that we missed off,   that are worth raising.   First one is Whirlpool GUI latest update 10.4.   They have now added the,   mix to external XPUB feature. So the the feature that you've been able to do through the Sparo GUI for a while now is now also available in the the GUI of Whirlpool.   So if you're, you know, you're kind of a a fan of using that over Sparrow, then you can now have that same functionality.  

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Oh,  

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that's nice. Man, I've been waiting for this for years.   Nice.  

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The final piece is a follow-up from a bit of doom that we spoke about a few months ago around   the European people,   regulators,   wanting to   backdoor all encryption   and make encrypted chat, basically, outlawed and make it completely backdoored. The European Court of Human Rights have turned around and give them the middle finger and said, no chance on your fucking bike, which is awesome to see. Yeah. Very unexpected. Nice. So, yeah, it's been blown out. You, can carry on using your WhatsApps to talk about EastEnders   completely  

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privately. That is good to see, though. That's I'm I am surprised by that. You just never know what these guys are gonna do, but I wasn't expecting that. Can we just go back to this mix to x pub thing for a second before we move on? This, you're saying, is in the   GUI,   and you're gonna be able to access it on there? The desktop GUI, to be clear, not the mobile application. Okay.   As in the old GUI,   not the UI, not the Ronin UI?  

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Correct. The old standalone desktop application   called Whirlpool GUI. Yeah. That's where the MixToX pop is. I don't think it's in the Ronin UI yet. Really? Let me just log into my note and just double check. You can monitor all of all your mixing in the UI now. Yeah. I just don't think the mix to X Pub is there, if if I'm honest, in in Ronin yet. I will let you know in, like, 10 seconds. Okay. But the functionality  

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is in Dojo. Right? So Yep. Presumably, it's just a UI issue that they have to implement in in Ronin Dojo. Right? Yep. Exactly. Because it's nice now having,  

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having the mixing in the UI because I don't particularly like the GUI. I like to use the UI if possible. Yeah. It's just all in one place, and you just it's just another piece of software that, you know, end state, hopefully, you won't need to use because it's all in your beautiful Ronin dashboard. Which is beautiful. That is fucking nice. Mhmm. And as is typical, because you guys are waiting for an answer for me, it's been a little bit slow, and I cannot log in.   At least yours is still running. Here we go. It's it's thinking about it. You might have to fill for me for 30 seconds, guys. Okay. Alright. No. You can just stop mixes, monitor your mixes, and   receive  

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to your deposit wallet. Okay. Alright. Fine. Okeydokey.   Well, it's cool that it's in the GUI. I'm sure it will, at some point, come to the UI as well. But, yeah, good to see. Cool. 100%.  

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Anything else, Antimus? Well, that was it within the list.   I don't know if you guys wanna touch on anything.  

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Yeah. I do. Why do you never respond to any of my messages anymore?   You walked into that one. Every time I contact you, it's like, mate, I'm so busy. That's all I get, like, if anything.   What do you got going on over there? What's happening? What's new?  

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What's new? Well,   busy start to the year. The last couple of months has been a lot of private stuff getting that in order, shifting a bit, which has been nice.   From from Vulcan, we're just pushing out the shipping,   so that's all more efficient,   and, we can get those the shipping times up, getting everything on a on a more reliable basis.   So looking forward to getting all that sorted.  

[00:54:05] Unknown:

Cool.   Because you've got now all of these aluminum cases,   also the seed hammer. Is that right? You've got those now? Yeah. We've got the the well, the these  

[00:54:16] Unknown:

steel   seed signer cases,   they're from XMR Street. That's the guy who produces them. We have the v 2 now,   which is a bit more streamlined.   So we got them in large quantities now,   eventually. That was cool. Had to see. And Seedhammers, they'll be here in a couple of weeks. So for anyone   who doesn't wanna punch their their steel QR's by hand,   and wants to have a fully integrated   multi sig backup on on steel, This is the machine to get.   Yeah. So we'll have them in about 2, 3 weeks.  

[00:54:49] Unknown:

It's so unreasonable that I want one because because I I really don't need to.   I've got so many seed plates and that lovely stamp. What's it called? What was it you did before that you sent me? The seed mint, was it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The seed I've got one of those, which is fucking beautiful. But still,   even though I don't need one, I really, really want the seat hammer. It's just fucking cool. Yeah. I mean, and the and the the the value prop is pretty cool,  

[00:55:18] Unknown:

as it is the the only solution to to have, like, a fully integrated   multi sig backup with a descriptor on Steel. But, obviously, it's not for everyone,   at the moment with the price point. I I think the, yeah, the value prop is there, but you won't be using this for   storing a couple 100 quids worth of Bitcoin.  

[00:55:37] Unknown:

It's unreasonable   for that, but it's still fucking cool. How much are they? We sell them for  

[00:55:44] Unknown:

7.99.  

[00:55:45] Unknown:

€7.99.   That's not bad.  

[00:55:49] Unknown:

Plus shipping.   No. Actually, it's free shipping. Oh, no. But we don't actually well, there's one caveat to this whole thing. We only   ship to the EU. Well, I can't buy one then? Well, you can buy 1,   with seed hammer directly.   Okay. We only do EU Right. Supply for the seed hammers. So we're the importer   and,   distribute them within the EU, and that's free shipping. But,   outside the EU,   it's c damage directly.  

[00:56:17] Unknown:

Okay. What about you, q? Anything? You do actually respond to me. I've been annoying q all morning trying to get things sorted where I've got problems. And he does respond because he's a good friend like that. Anything else going on other than me bugging you?  

[00:56:29] Unknown:

Good segue actually from talking about,   the seed hammer to the next Passport release, which is not out as we record, but it probably will be by the time this is edited and released. So Probably. Passport's,   version 2 3 o is, coming out very soon, currently in public beta. And the reason I mentioned it in relation to the seed hammer is you can one of the features of 2 3 o is you can now export the master seed via seed QR. Oh. Woah.   So you can throw that straight into your seed hammer and have it as part of your beautiful metal backups.   Amongst,   other things, we also have   full top route support for receiving as well as sending now, a new address explorer so you can view all of your,   address types,   receive, change, Taproot, Segware, legacy, all that sort of stuff natively on device and show them as QR codes as well if you wanted to. Also give you the option to have a 12 word seed instead of just default into 24,   if you let the device generate a seed word for you. Oh, and you can also now if you're signing a message with an op return message in it, then you can view that natively on the passport as well. So if you wanted to do some spam transactions to please, Saint Luke and   send him a little message on your passport   before you, sign it off.  



[00:57:49] Unknown:

Nice. I have a question on this, being able to view all your addresses   on the device.   If you can do that and you can view all addresses   and view the QR,   would it be a stupid idea for somebody   to have one of these devices   and   then not use something like Sparrow, which is a   what's the correct term for it? Coordinator,  

[00:58:14] Unknown:

maybe. Coordinator.  

[00:58:15] Unknown:

That's what I meant. Yes. Coordinator. Would it be reasonable for somebody to do that if they're just using it for cold storage?   Because then they're not potentially fucking up and exposing their ex pubs   and linking it in some way to themselves?  

[00:58:33] Unknown:

So,   yeah, kind of. I mean, there's some caveats.   Can you do that and just show a QR code, scan it with BISCO, whatever, and use that to send your stats directly to? Yes. Absolutely.   The caveats are Passport doesn't know when you receive to any of them addresses, so you gotta be careful you don't reuse them. Ah.   And also that okay. Great. It's great for just receiving, but when you wanna come to spend, like, you have to have a coordinator so it can shorten that spend for you. So it'll only get you so far, and you've gotta be very careful how you do it because you you might reuse addresses. Because it'll just start from address number 0 every time, and then you just scroll to view which one you want. So unless you're logging that offline somewhere separately, then I wouldn't advise that behavior.  

[00:59:15] Unknown:

That makes total sense. Yeah. I hadn't thought about that, the the spending bit and also the reusing addresses. Because when I was thinking, like, I'm pretty sure in Envoy,   it doesn't reshow you an address. So, like Correct. You put receive. And then if you go off, it will show you a new one. It never shows you the same. But, obviously, that's using a coordinator   which knows, whereas the passport doesn't. So okay. Yeah. That makes sense. Are you guys gonna be in Madeira?  

[00:59:40] Unknown:

No.  

[00:59:42] Unknown:

Nope. Same here, unfortunately.  

[00:59:43] Unknown:

I don't even know when that is. That is now I think it starts on the 1st till 3rd  

[00:59:50] Unknown:

March. I think maybe it's a day before or after something. I can almost guarantee yeah. There we are. This guy lives the fucking high life, doesn't he? He's never not away.   How's the town?  

[01:00:02] Unknown:

It was a   pretty,   yeah. It was just a couple of days ago, We got the Okay. The opportunity.   So, we'll be having a a seed signer and seed hammer workshop there.  

[01:00:14] Unknown:

Oh, okay.   So it would have been cool to catch up with you guys. Are you halfway out the door already going to Madeira? Because you sound terrible.   Suddenly   suddenly sound like down a fucking well. Yeah. Yeah. It's better.   No. I'm still here. Okay. Alright. I just thought you're sort of on your way out to Madeira.  

[01:00:34] Unknown:

See you. No. Okay.  

[01:00:36] Unknown:

Well, I hope you have an amazing time there, mate. It looks pretty cool. A lot of people are going. Yeah. That island, I think, is is pretty pretty sweet, but I've never been so we'll see. Yeah. It does look good. I think there's a lot of art and things. I know a lot of people are sending some bits out there, and it looks pretty fun. Should be some sunshine, and, yeah, the island looks nice. And they've, like, rented a whole stadium, a football stadium or something. I don't know. Wow. Yep. So if if anyone,  

[01:01:03] Unknown:

listening is is there,   give us a shout and, come by. We'll probably  

[01:01:13] Unknown:

I I think, one of our designers is is actually heading out there, so I'll make sure he he heads over and says hey.  

[01:01:19] Unknown:

Oh, cool. Oh, yeah. And one thing I nearly forgot, we'll be having, like, a treasure hunt. So, if you wanna get some free sats, you can,   we'll be spreading out some seed hammer plates and, like,   a a 5 of 5 multisig   Okay. And spreading that around the the venue. So you have to find it all 4 or 5 shares. Yeah. And import them, and, then you can sweep the sats. Awesome.  

[01:01:44] Unknown:

Yeah. Foundation didn't wanna send you out, Kew?  

[01:01:48] Unknown:

No. I am,   head I am heading,   over the Atlantic early in March for some Bitcoin related activities, which I can't really talk about in great detail yet. But, 1st week in March, I'm gonna be over in the good old US of A. Okay. Nice.  

[01:02:03] Unknown:

Lovely.   Right, boys. Well, if that is everything,   I think Yeah. We're done. It's a short one. Yeah. It was good. It wasn't short. It was, synced.   That's it. Concise. Yeah. Concise. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That's what you get from us.   Quality   information.  

[01:02:22] Unknown:

20 minutes of it was me ranting about dice rolls, though. So  

[01:02:26] Unknown:

no. I mean, sometimes you can be a bit boring with these things, but, honestly, that is important. Like,   the fact that people have actually had funds swept   and it's not being talked about is a major problem. Half the time when I hear about security stuff, it's people moaning and bitching and whinging about things that are so theoretical and have never happened and probably never will. Yeah. And they get talked about, but people actually losing their savings isn't being talked about. That's a problem. So,  

[01:02:55] Unknown:

yeah, I'm glad you are whinging about it. Always a pleasure, gentlemen. Yep. As always. Speak to you soon. See you. Bye.