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Hello, and welcome everybody to Freedom Tech Friday. For those of you that are new here, allow me to quickly explain what this is all about and why the hell we are here. Freedom Tech Friday is a weekly live and interactive show hosted on the Ungovernable Misfits X, X, Nosta, and YouTube feeds. And we go live for one hour every Friday at 9AM eastern or 2PM in The UK. But you can, of course, catch up later on the Ungovernable Misfits podcast feed. On Freedom Tech Friday, we like to cover the latest news and trends for anything relating to Freedom Technologies. That could be anything from Bitcoin or Monero, encrypted messengers, privacy tools, and everything in between. Essentially, if there's a news item, tool, or topic that can help you take back some control in today's digital panopticon, we want to talk about it.
My name's q and a, and I'm head of customer experience at Foundation where we build Bitcoin focused sovereignty tools. And as always, I am joined by my good friends, Max, the head honcho of the Ungovern All Misfits Empire, and Seth, who is VP at kWallet. As I mentioned, this show is live and interactive, and we're allowing you guys to steer us towards the topics you want us to cover or to send us the Freedom Tech related questions that you want answering. There's loads of ways in which you can get involved, all of which really help spread awareness for the show. This includes commenting or getting your questions in a live chat, submitting your topics or questions ahead of time, on X or Nosta, boosting the show on Fountain or other podcasting two point o apps, sending in your questions or tips via Bitcoin or Monero at xmrchat dot com, and finally, just sharing the show with your friends on X or Nosta.
Top support for last week's show on home automation comes from our good friend, Late Stage Huddle, who sent 8,008 SATs and said I hope you're sitting down for this one, by the way, guys. How can we film an MTV Cribs style show with Bitcoin houses without dotting locations or faces? Can Home Assistant help with that? I also used to have these automated lights and quickly quickly realized that I didn't want to deal with it have or have it phoning home. For lights automation, it's much much easier to install an analog option, like a motion sensor switch, on the wall to replace the manual switch, like a bathroom occupancy switch, which turns on the lights for thirty minutes when you walk in.
So unless you take a really long shit, then the light and fan will turn off after you finish your business and leave. If you get stuck watching videos of doom scrolling, then just a simple wave of the hand will turn it back on. I'm sure we've all been in that situation before. I had this happen to me once in college where I was in a store when the light turned off in the bathroom while I was in there, and the sensor couldn't see me. It didn't turn back on until the next person walked in and was surprised that I was shitting in the dark. Or in my shed when I can't get fucking minors to work and I'm staring at the computer, then the lights turn off. So I typically use that as an indicator that I need another beer and walk over to trigger the lights again. Sorry for the long boost on your short one hour long show. I've sent some extra sats.
Thank you for your support, Late Stage Huddle. And, Max, Seth, welcome to the show. How's it going?
[00:03:10] Unknown:
Better now after hearing that story. That's a lovely
[00:03:14] Unknown:
thing. See, that that's kinda set the bar for, like, how the quality of boost I wanna see on Freedom Tech Friday because that was spectacular.
[00:03:21] Unknown:
That was lovely. Really like that. The, the idea about the MTV Cribs though, I think, I think that might need some more thought there, mate. We might have a few, $20 rancher tax.
[00:03:34] Unknown:
Seth, you're, you're back with us after your one week hiatus. How's it going? I am. I am. It is going well. I like that he got about a a word per set going there with that, that boost. So that was a that was a good one. I mean, we all have done that, though. I I don't know. That's how some bathrooms have been for, my jobs in the past where you're sitting in there and the lights go off and you just you just cry inside.
[00:03:56] Unknown:
Eventually, someone comes in now and saves you. But To be honest, though, at at this stage of life, like, especially being a dad, taking a shit is, like, the best part of my day. It's the it's the one part where it's peaceful, and I can just go, ah, I've got ten minutes here. Maybe not half an hour. We've got ten minutes here of just calm and peace. Is it is it peaceful? I feel like they can sense
[00:04:18] Unknown:
when you think it's gonna be peaceful. Yeah. All hell breaks loose right then. That is true. Maybe that maybe that's just me.
[00:04:27] Unknown:
I I always find, again, as a dad, that I've never been in more in demand than the exact moment that I need to use the bathroom.
[00:04:35] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:04:36] Unknown:
Always the way. You sit down, but you're you're ass such as a seat, and it's like, dad.
[00:04:40] Unknown:
The screaming and crying immediately. Yes. Yes. It's inevitable.
[00:04:44] Unknown:
All of a sudden there's 85 jobs that need doing.
[00:04:49] Unknown:
Too real. Too real. Indeed. Anyway,
[00:04:52] Unknown:
this week we don't have a specific topic to talk about. We are having, as the, title suggests, a big question bonanza. Thank you very much to everybody that got involved across X and Nosta submitting your questions ahead of time. As is always the case, we have way more than we can get through. And as is always the case as well is if you're in the live chat, you will take precedent if you wanna drop your questions in. Anything Freedom Tech related, there's no strict topic this week. So if you want the guys to, cover off anything specific, please let us know in the live chat. But with that said, oh, look. Dad's in the chat. Hi, John.
[00:05:29] Unknown:
Nice to see you. Hello, Dad.
[00:05:31] Unknown:
Oh, honorable mention as well to, the Nosta livestream. We have, some boosts coming. Bon, friend of the show, 2,345 sats already, and ex patriotic straight in there with the first boost with 5,000 sats. What a catch. Oh, thank you. Yeah. What a man. Alright. First question on our list. Let me bring it up. Where are we? Comes from mister Tux over at k Wallet. And he wants our thoughts on the Cashew quote Bitcoin for signal fork, which came about, I think it was yesterday. This is very, hot off the press news. I'll set the scene, I guess, first before handing it over to you guys. But from what I can see, basically, some Bitcoiners have forked, Signal, which is open source, and they have included Bitcoin payments, specifically, Cashew Bitcoin payments within that so that you can have, like, a what appears to be, I haven't tested it, quite kind of a nice experience where you can just fling some SATs around to various people within DMs or group chats, and also means that you don't have to use the, Shitcoin crap that I believe is still in signal. Is that right, Seth? Is that still there?
[00:06:49] Unknown:
It is shockingly in there. I've never seen or heard anyone ever use it, but it is not. Seen it.
[00:06:55] Unknown:
So so I'll have to kick it off, so what do I think of it? I I think as a, technical, from a tech perspective, I think it's interesting. I'd much rather see something like this than some, altcoin that has no kind of, underlying value prop. So I like that the fact that they've, you know, done it Bitcoin centric. Although, frequent listeners to the show won't be surprised to hear me say that it's a bit of a shame that it's done on Cashew. Although, I can see why the people behind it may have done it because they don't have to worry about all of the the technical hurdles of doing things the way I would prefer from a more of a purist view of doing it non custodially.
The obvious one would be, Lightning, but as we know, lots of hurdles with doing that in a non custodial way. Maybe in the future, there's a a way in which we can do something with ARC or Spark. We've got one of the the the industry's hottest, ARC slash Spark influencers in the chat that I'm sure will, be able to elaborate a little bit more. But, yeah, I think it's interesting. Would I rather they do this than what's already in there? Yeah. Absolutely. It's Bitcoin centric. So, yeah, we'll we'll see if it gains adoption. What about you guys?
[00:08:07] Unknown:
I answered, a tux on Twitter, I think. But, basically, it's not generally a fan of noncustodial stuff if we can avoid it. But it is better, as you say, than having some random token that's not tied to Bitcoin in any way. And it's also better than something like Wallet of Satoshi, which is what sort of half of the fucking Bitcoiners, so called Bitcoiners you see on Twitter and Shillfluencers and everything used. So, it could be much, much worse. I'm not I'm not upset about it, but I'm not also, as excited as I would be if it was self custodial like or something like
[00:08:48] Unknown:
that. Yeah. It's, I I'll try not to get too much on my soapbox. It's it's it's interesting. I I love the general idea of trying to bring Bitcoin to apps that are not wallets. Like, I think Breeze have done a really good job pushing on this. Roy for Breeze specifically has done a lot of writing on this concept of, like, we need to get out of this box of money only belongs in a wallet, and that there should there really should be ways that you can easily send and receive money in apps that you use, especially social apps. But, obviously, the downside here is it's using Cashew, which does provide your privacy, but, obviously, completely sacrifices custody to a single custodian as well. So it's not even, like, a sediment or something like that where there's a a set of guardians or set of custodians that share custody using a multisig, but it's just a single custodian doing this. So, like, the the privacy is very cool, and it's frustrating to me that in Bitcoin, a lot of the choices today are either do custodial but have good privacy or do self custodial but have poor privacy. But that is the way that a lot of things have kind of fallen in the the Bitcoin and light and lightning landscapes.
But I think we're getting better and better for a privacy perspective of the self custodial options. I mean, really, I would love to just see this be probably using Spark. Breeze, their new SDK, is is using Spark on the back end. It's quite straightforward to implement and would let people have their own keys. And the really nice thing about signal is users already have accounts, and they already have some account metadata that's backed up encrypted with signal. So, like, you're able to restore your account. It has your profile info, the picture that you set, that sort of thing. If you move to a new phone, you could very easily just back up your private keys as part of that too. It would be encrypted. It's not really a concern because, again, it's small amounts, so you're not giving up custody. You're you're retaining that custody for yourself, but you're using the existing phone number backup system that exists today, for signal.
And you could do that and have a really good user experience. You wouldn't have as good a privacy as if you were using Cashew, but you would still have quite good privacy, and that will hopefully get a lot better. Spark guys have promised a lot of good privacy improvements. The folks at Arc, especially Arc Labs, have been talking about privacy improvements as well. So I think, like, I would much rather it be built on that. But the the real honest truth about this is, like, it's really easy to buy into the hype of the the way that this has been tweeted about, but this has nothing to do with Signal, the actual project, or the apps that you can download on your phone. This is a fork where they've built this functionality, and they're just hoping that signal themselves will implement this.
I don't see that happening. The last thing that I'll quickly say, the main downside for signal themselves and why I think there's a lot of, like, broken thinking about this idea of Cashew. Like, there's so much hype around it and integrating it into lots of different things and pushing organizations like Blue Sky and Signal to adopt it. But no one ever talks about this, like, who's gonna run the Mints problem? Like Don't ask that question. Come on. I know. I got you're not allowed to ask that part. But, like, is is signal going to suddenly go through the regulatory hurdles of becoming a money services business and custody all the coins of their users, or do they not wanna do that as I assume they probably don't wanna do that like everyone else who you actually talk to behind the scenes doesn't wanna run a mint.
And then they want someone else to, but then are is are you gonna be trusting some random manon in his garage running a cashument with all of your signal users? No. You're not gonna do that either. So you just continue to get stuck in this, like, you need a Goldilocks solution for Cashew that I just think doesn't exist for, like, who will actually custody, who will either become a regulatory like, a regulated entity and thus a custodian or will avoid becoming that and have to live in a jurisdiction where signal can ever prosecute them if they wrote their users or something. There's just, like, there's so many, like, actual things when you peer behind the veil of how does this actually work.
It falls apart quickly. But the general idea of having Lightning specifically in signal is amazing and I think should happen, and is a great fit for something like Breeze's Spark SDK, I think, and would be yet another good push to the Spark guys to implement better and better privacy as they've promised.
[00:13:19] Unknown:
Yeah. Great, overview there. Appreciate that. A a quick, baited question here for for either of you from the Nostra chat, which you guys won't see unless you're monitoring it. Come from Remnant, and, he says, who gives a fuck about a $70 wallet in Casio that some guy can rug me on?
[00:13:35] Unknown:
What what would your answer to that be, guys? Someone whose life savings is $70 and they earn £3 a week. Or somebody, you know, somebody who doesn't have a $70 is, different to different people. I mean, it means absolutely nothing to, someone very wealthy, and it means a hell of a lot to someone who hasn't got a lot. And it's kind of also not really the point. It's how are we building and where are we focusing our time and energy. And if you're just building things to only be okay in theory for $70 but not more, and that have these potential regulatory problems and that someone has to be in the middle and can potentially be prosecuted for money laundering or whatever fucking bullshit they wanna throw at them.
I just feel like personally, I just think that there are potentially better uses of funds and time.
[00:14:35] Unknown:
Yeah. And I I think, like, for me, the bigger issue is not, like, will it ruin you to have your your Bitcoin, like, your your spending money stolen? Like, from most people who are gonna be listening to this, probably not. Like, you're gonna have $50 in there. It wouldn't be the end of the world. The bigger problem is all almost all of these solutions, like, where people want to put cashew is in places where people are not normally Bitcoiners. So, like, the goal with Cashew in signal would be suddenly you get a 100,000,000 people onboarded to Bitcoin or exposed to Bitcoin for the first time, or maybe it's the first time they've actually been able to sit and receive it with other people because they don't know other people who actually have wallets. And that's the the biggest problem here is not necessarily that they'd lose money, but that if these people's first exposure to Bitcoin ends in six months or a year with the money that they've sent and received to friends all going away and disappearing, what do you think their takeaway about Bitcoin is going to be?
Yes. If it goes perfectly, that's great. But if there's any issue and as a reminder, Cashew is a single custodian. It doesn't necessarily have to be malice. They could just screw up and, fuck over their server or have a fire in their data center or have some mistake where the data center decommissions the wrong server. And suddenly, everyone's money is gone. It's it's something where, like, I'm more worried about the the user experience for someone who who their only use of Bitcoin is this, or their first exposure to Bitcoin is this. And then if they get rugged and then go, okay. So my Bitcoin can just be stolen anytime. Like, I thought it was mine. I thought the whole point of this was self custody and sovereignty, and maybe they don't understand that they actually had to do something else to get that self custody. But, yeah, I'm I'm more concerned with what this would do to people's perception of using Bitcoin and crypto more generally if something were to happen. And it's quite easy for something bad to happen, even accidentally.
[00:16:27] Unknown:
Love it. Thank you very much, guys. Question from dad, in the chat. He's relaying question from a mesh todellian. Like, that's that's a nice word. Mesh to delian, named Sam. Are there any zapping experts in here? Max, I'm looking at you. Is it possible to connect a b two c pay server internal lightning node for zapping? I I installed the Nosta plugin for B2C pay, but I feel like I am missing something. I think you've already had the answer, Bon from Bon in the chat. He mentions that they need to get their Nosta wallet connect string from the B2C pay and paste that into their Nosta client. I believe in the settings of BTCPay, they should give you that required string, and then you can go and paste that into any compatible Gnostic client. I know for a fact Primal and Amethyst will will, you know, accommodate said string. So hope that helps, but, tell Sam, whoever Sam is, that that he can, send me a DM if he wants any, specific help with that one.
Alright, guys. Twenty minutes in, and we've got one question ticked off the list. So we're we're staying true to form here. Next one comes from Dune Messiah, over on Nosta, and they said, what's the most underrated part of Bitcoin's tech stack that most plebs overlook? I will answer this first because I get to see all the questions first. So I've had a little bit of time to think about it, and I'll give you guys a a a few minutes to conjure up, an answer. But, mine would be and it's I apologize if you see this as a boring one, but it would probably be Bit 39, the seed word standard, because everybody takes it for granted.
And it's just kind of the default way to use literally any Bitcoin wallet on the entire market. And people take it for granted of the power that it gives them. You know? It's essentially a universal backup that prevents any vendor lock in from any, wallet ever. You can take your Bitcoin wherever, whenever. And you it also has a nice benefit that you don't have to deal with individual private keys like, OGs that were far earlier into the space than all three of us would have had to deal with where they had literal kind of text files with individual private keys for all of their addresses, which as you can imagine is a bit of a headache to deal with and manage. So, I guess, yeah, underrated because of what it enables and overlooked because it's just part of the furniture now. It's just the default way that most people use Bitcoin and, is arguably the most powerful aspect of kind of self custody and or or the enablement that it provides self custody.
But, what about you, Max, sir?
[00:19:02] Unknown:
I like I underrated because I've underrated it for a long time is BIP 85. I actually think that that's like char like child seeds, especially when you're the Bitcoiner in a group or family, or you're testing loads of stuff all the time. I think that's really nice, and it's something that I
[00:19:23] Unknown:
massively overlooked for a long time. So give us give us the the TLDR for anybody who's not who has no idea what BIP 85 is.
[00:19:30] Unknown:
So if you were to say you're running a passport and you thought, I wanna spin up a new mobile wallet, for yourself or your sister or friend or someone, and you think like, okay. The person that I'm splitting this up for would probably gonna not back this up properly and could potentially lose it. You can, from within your passport, create as many of these, like, sub wallets as you want, and that will give you the ability to spin up for friends and family. And if anyone loses their wallet and they're like, oh my god. I had, you know, whatever amount of money on there, and I didn't I put this I wrote the things down, but I can't remember where or my dog ate the paper or whatever stupid shit they come up with. You know, okay. They're, number five in my list of VIP 85 child seeds, and then you can just restore it from there because you have as long as you have your master seed, your 24 word backup, you have all the other ones that you generate. You can generate, I believe, as many as you want. So it could be for all your friends and family, your kids, your mom, your dad, whatever, and, you wanna spin one you put a cake wallet. You wanna set that up. You can do it from there so you don't have a separate backup for that.
It's just I think it's really underrated.
[00:20:56] Unknown:
I'll, I'll double down on that too, and then I'll add my own. So a really nice thing, and I'll I'll shamelessly shill cake wallet here, is you could use a bit 55 seed, like a 12 word seed from passport, and you could use that to create, all of your wallets in cake wallet. It doesn't even have to be just why I did. Yeah. I'm not but it could be Monero. Yeah. It could be Ethereum. It could be whatever you use. Obviously, most people are probably gonna be doing Bitcoin, but it is it's pretty fantastic. But now you could do all of them, which has been a fun thing that we've added. It's not just Bitcoin like it used to be. And then as for mine, I think the most underrated part that I think some of those of us in the space use but isn't as common is accounts for Bitcoin.
So just the ability to have one wallet, one seed phrase, and have separate accounts for different purposes is really, really useful. Doing things like separating separating out KYC, no KYC Bitcoin, maybe having a separate account for accepting donations. It gives you a lot of flexibility in, like, how you split up your funds to make sure that different things for different purposes don't get all blended together, but without meaning that you have to have yet another backup to store is a really powerful feature that, I I would love to see people use more often and to see more wallets implement. It's something we don't have in k wallet right now, actually. So, you can rag on me and harass me on Twitter about that. But we do have some very exciting things that are account related that are in the works right now. And accounts will be a, a first class citizen of Kik Wallet. Hashtag soon.
[00:22:32] Unknown:
Two weeks, TM.
[00:22:34] Unknown:
Good question, Nava. But I wish.
[00:22:38] Unknown:
Yeah. Good question, Nava. Thank you, June Messias. Next one comes from Bitter twenty one over on Nosta. And they said, if I wanna spend Bitcoin obtained via KYC, could I use eCash, like Cashew, to spend it in a privacy preserving way? Short answer is yes. It would give you, a good base level of privacy in terms of forward privacy, should I say, like, when you enter the mint. Let's say the exchange, I don't know, pick a name, Coinbase. They wouldn't necessarily be easily able to see where you've spent those funds out of the mint. You know, it could be via lightning. It could be another on chain transaction back out of the mint afterwards after a short period of time or a long period of time. But as always, and many people will have heard me say this many times, it simply doesn't and cannot erase the KYC, record of you purchasing that Bitcoin off Coinbase in this scenario.
So, yes, you'll get a good kind of forward privacy or be it with the the custodial caveats that we've just talked about for the past ten minutes. So also worth bearing that in mind as well as the privacy aspect of this. But, yeah, you you still ain't getting rid of the fact that Coinbase knows you bought x amount of Bitcoin on this date for this exchange rate, yada yada yada. So my alternative advice would be, try to purchase via a NoCo SE option, because you're already starting 10 steps ahead of, the the, competition, essentially. You're making yourself not the lowest hanging fruit.
But I guess to to summarize and to answer your question, yes, it would give you a little bit of privacy. Well, it would give you good level of privacy. You know, I I think we're all aligned here that Cashew, and similar technologies do give good privacy, but with with some quite big caveats and trade offs in terms of custody. But, disagree with anything I've said there, guys, or anything to
[00:24:32] Unknown:
add? I'll just pull on one little thread. One thing to keep in mind is that, like, if you're sending on chain Bitcoin into the event, you should assume that that entity knows that you've sent it into that meant. Like, it's I'm sure that especially as e cash usage grows, the the wallet clustering for popular men's is 100% going to be done by channel assets, etcetera. And they're gonna know when funds flow into a mint. Now, obviously, the beauty of eCash is that within the mint, you have near perfect privacy. But entities will still know when you move into the mint because on chain Bitcoin reveals a lot of information about you, unfortunately.
And if you try to use it just as like this, like, pass through privacy layer and you withdraw immediately on chain or you withdraw the same amount, a while later on chain, and there's not a lot of other people withdrawing roughly the same amount. It can also be quite trivial to do, like timing and amount heuristics to trace that through. So it it I've I said they say this about every kind of, like, interim layer that people talk about using. People ask me all the time about, like, can I can I do this with Monero? Like, can I swap Bitcoin from Monero and then back to Bitcoin? And does that fix all my privacy problems? No. Unfortunately, unless you're a perfectly random human, which I am not, and you can do properly random amounts and random timing. So I wouldn't assume it gives you perfect privacy, but it's certainly better privacy than you would have otherwise. It would be best if you can do then your payments out via lightning.
But, unfortunately, again, in Cashew, you're not the one creating the routes, as far as I know in any Cashew wallet. So the Cashew Mint would know or, more specifically, the Lightning service provider, the gateway for that Cashew Mint would know where that payment is going within Lightning as well unless you're using bolt 12. So, short answer is it's a long answer because it's complex. Not perfect, but it is an okay way to gain some privacy.
[00:26:28] Unknown:
Alright. Next question comes from the Nosta live chat. It's Remnant again. And he said, where have the BTC gift cards gone? I can't find them anywhere these days. And as a follow-up, I had him clarify that he means gift cards containing Bitcoin, not kind of go into a cake pay or or to Bitrefill to exchange Bitcoin for an Amazon gift card per se. I would suggest I agree. I haven't seen them. I mean, they they weren't that many in The UK in the first place, but I would imagine that they probably just been regulated out of existence. However, I will caveat that biz by saying that I've seen something recently with Fold maybe doing something like this. I'm sure I've seen some tweets about this. I don't have any more context than oh, there you go. Seth has just dropped the link in the, in the Twitter chat.
Foldout.com/bitcoin gift card. Do we know any more information about that? Is it is it as good as it sounds, like you just walk in, hand over some cash, and get some Bitcoin?
[00:27:28] Unknown:
I wasn't sure as I started reading through the link that I just sent. And to redeem it, you have to have a full account registered and verified, which I Mhmm. Does that mean you have to KYC? I don't know. I have not ever used fold, but I think that they are KYC. So the fact that they say account registration and verification
[00:27:52] Unknown:
is a little concerning. So they get you on the way into redeem it, basically.
[00:27:56] Unknown:
I I guess so. But I I I don't wanna say that for sure because I haven't actually used these, but it is the only, like, Bitcoin containing gift card that I know of that exists today.
[00:28:07] Unknown:
I think you could do it yourself, to be honest. You could either do a paper wallet, or you could do something like, you know, write a card and have, like, a little QR scan or something that takes them to a download of a wallet and just say, download this, ping me, and I'll, and I'll send you some this amount of Bitcoin. Like, you could do it in a slightly more manual way and give them KYC free Bitcoin, which is a much better place for them to start and learn with. Yeah. Or I don't know if,
[00:28:40] Unknown:
maybe not our favorite person, but whether Rodolfo still does those, what are they called, OpenDime things? They were quite kind of quite cool. Yeah. I think doing it peer to peer is is achievable. Like, you can get things this b c pay has a similar functionality and stuff, but I think what Remnant was asking was, like, where can he go to a store and just exchange some cash or or for Oh. For Bitcoin? What about, Azteco?
[00:29:03] Unknown:
Are they still I was just literally about to say I was just about to say that. They were in The UK for about five minutes, weren't they, in Astra or something? Yeah. From Astor at all.
[00:29:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Check out azteco, azte.co, I believe, is the, is the URL. Quite popular or used to be quite popular in, South America. Used to have some vendors in Europe, but, I I don't know on the status of that project at the moment. It it seems to be, I I believe, maybe having some difficulties with, like, regulation and stuff.
[00:29:36] Unknown:
What's his name? Who was behind that? Was it b something b,
[00:29:39] Unknown:
Beaution, I think. Beaution. The one that wants to block everyone. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was it. Hey. Just check the check the Twitter chat, aztec.co. There you go. And, I I believe they've still got a map on there that, shows you where it's available. And judging by Seth's comment, big sad that there's zero in The US, unfortunately.
[00:30:00] Unknown:
And it seems like I can buy them digitally now.
[00:30:03] Unknown:
Right. But Which is? I've I've gone I haven't actually gone all the way, but any of those merchants will ask you for for ID when you do that. Oh, okay. Yeah. And, obviously, if it's online, you're gonna have to give your card details anyway. Yeah. The merchant seemed a little
[00:30:16] Unknown:
odd.
[00:30:18] Unknown:
So Yeah. BTS wrestle is, confirming as well, I believe. Azteca is KYC. Yeah. I I I believe it also was big in Africa. B2C wrestle. You're right. So, yeah. Just creeping regulations, unfortunately, seem to be, taking down all of those, awesome options that we used to have maybe, like, five four to five years ago. Okay. This one next question is is for you, Seth. Cortic on x was asking, when will pool in cake? We need one pool liquidity. The bigger the pools, easier to hide in it.
[00:30:58] Unknown:
I definitely want better privacy tools for Bitcoin and cake. Whirlpool is one that I don't foresee us doing anytime soon for two reasons. I mean, one is the obvious regulatory one. Samurai guys took a plea deal, and that's a conviction of this. I don't think I want to put our company on the line to run Whirlpool when people can access that through Ashigaru and and other solutions. So I from a regulatory perspective, it's just not something we can reasonably do right now. Hopefully, that will change, but that's the the primary reason. The secondary one is mainly that a Whirlpool or any type of coin join on mobile is really, really difficult. Specifically, on iOS is basically impossible.
But even on Android, it's quite difficult to do in a way that's user friendly just because of how long it takes between rounds and how complicated the the signing process in rounds is if your Internet isn't perfect. So it it's something that's difficult anyways, but it's just kind of a nonstarter right now thanks to our, our glorious, regulatory overlords.
[00:32:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Pragmatic approach, really, as much as I would love to see, yeah, many, Whirlpool clients, as we used to have. But, yeah, I I can completely understand how you or why you guys are are taking a a very cautious approach. Makes perfect sense. Yeah. Awesome question, actually. And I'm really glad you've, asked this one vibrant because I I wanted to quiz the guys on this one. And he says, have we tried out the Aqua Dolphin card? Now for those that aren't aware what Vibrant's talking about, this is a, virtual Visa debit card within the, Aqua app.
Aqua, for those of you that don't know, is, the liquid based app that also speaks, Lightning and Onchain Bitcoin, but I believe all of your funds are held on the Liquid Network in Aqua under the hood. So just take that, in mind as to if you wanna use this. I downloaded the app the other day because I saw about the, this. It's got 4,000 USD, monthly limit. From what I can see, I haven't used it yet. There's no KYC involved, which is obviously a good thing. Haven't tested it. I would love to hear if anybody has tested this out because it seems like if it if it is as good as it looks on the surface, that it could be a bit of a game changer in terms of spending Bitcoin. Specifically online, this is a virtual card only. You can't add it to Apple or Google Pay at the moment, so you can't just go in in into a physical brick and mortar store and start spending it. So you can only use it online. But as we all know, you can buy most of your shit online these days.
I believe also as well in the t's and c's, I saw that it's not available to US, customers. But that's the TLDR. My only open question here, and I'm and I I'd imagine Seth is best placed to answer this, is I've heard many, stories of people having these types of cards rejected online. Is there any, like, rhyme or reason as to why these things might get rejected, or is it kind of a bit random at the moment?
[00:34:13] Unknown:
So these reloadable cards are usually much better in terms of acceptance and not having issues with rejection. I've dug into this a lot because we've been trying to offer something similar in Cake Pay. And it's definitely doable and doable in a way that's that's good. I think that I mean, the main downside to the Dolphin card, like you mentioned, is that you can't use it in Google or Apple Pay. So you're limited to not using it in store. But there are solutions to that. Like, I'm I've been working with somebody on the Cake Pay side where we're hoping to offer essentially a similar offering, but with Google Pay and Apple Pay, accepted.
It just you can't do it in The US. There's a specific regulation that talks about how these open loop or closed loop cards can be done. And you're limited in how you do the the closed loop cards, which are the the prepaid ones where you get a card for a thousand dollars, for instance, and you just spend it to zero, and then you throw it away. But the reloadable ones just basically aren't possible in The US. So we're always gonna have that restriction. That's the same for the Dolphin card, like like you mentioned, queue. But, it it seems really cool. Like you said, surprisingly non KYC, and that is thankfully, again, something you can do outside The US with these reloadable cards. There's not a there's not a requirement to KYC, which is good. But I'm I'm excited to see more of this kind of become common, and I hope that this will become something that's possible to do in The US as well, but would require some some legal changes, unfortunately.
[00:35:41] Unknown:
Yeah. There's just two final things I wanna say about this. Number one, I I when I was, like, downloading it and looking at where it was available and the t's and c's and stuff, The fact that it's not available in The US, but it is available in The UK, like, normally, it's the flip reverse of that. That's a mental Yeah. Exactly. And, also, I believe that these are nonreversible. So once the funds are on there, you have to kind of spend them back off, so to speak. And if you do find yourself in a jurisdiction where it's difficult to spend them, again, I have no idea how what the what it works like in The UK, then you could find yourself kind of with the funds stuck on there. Although I'm sure you you'd eventually find a merchant that would online that would take it. So if you are gonna try this, maybe just try it out with some small purchase first so you don't get, like, $4,000 worth of Bitcoin, or liquid or whatever locked up on a card that you then can't spend for for whatever reason. So just just tread carefully, and it's something I'm interested in in testing out myself as well. Yeah. I'll make one quick call out to you. If you are in The US,
[00:36:41] Unknown:
don't. I would highly recommend not trying to circumvent this with VPNs or tours, something like that. You very likely will lose your money. These, these vendors are usually very, very strict about these geo restrictions and they they can like like you said, once you put money on the card, if it's clear that you're circumventing it and you're doing it from a jurisdiction they don't support, it's very likely you could lose your money. So please be cautious with that. Don't try to circumvent it if you're in The US. Just don't bother.
[00:37:09] Unknown:
Okay. Next question comes from Filthy Fiat Wallet over on Nosta. Great name. Haven't dug into sign up payments yet. I know I've been hearing about them. Can you please give a short summary? I would first signpost you to the Bitcoin brief, which I believe is being released tomorrow. Correct me if I'm wrong, Max, where you and I did a bit of a deep dive and a comparison on silent payments and Bit 47. So It might even be today. Yeah. I'll keep this brief because you, you know, you've gone to the question the the the trouble of asking us a question. I'll give a brief overview, and then Seth's gonna tell me where I got it wrong. So silent payments wrong. Totally wrong.
[00:37:45] Unknown:
Not even close.
[00:37:46] Unknown:
Yeah. So silent payments, essentially are a reusable static address that you can use to interact with Bitcoin. It's basically you can have it in QR code format or is a texturing that has the prefix SP one. And and anybody with a silent payment compatible wallet, which includes Spiro Wallet now for sending and Cake Wallet for sending and receiving, and some more wallets that Seth's gonna cover off afterwards. With any of those wallets, people don't need to interact directly with you to request an invoice or a or a an address. Presumably, you will have this, silent payment address or QR code posted somewhere on your Twitter account, your Nasr account, or in your bio, or on your website, wherever, YouTube account.
And that's it in terms of interactivity. Anybody with a compatible silent payment wallet can then just scan that QR code or paste in your silent payment address. That's when all the magic under the hood happens, which I won't go into because I said I was gonna keep it brief. But essentially, the two silent payment compatible wallets, or sorry, the sender's silent payment wallet will be able to derive a unique Bitcoin address, which I believe is Taproot only, and will, send Bitcoin to that Taproot address without needing to contact you, speak to you, or have any direct interaction with you in any way, shape, or form. And anybody who knows the the Taproot address cannot link it back to you as the the sign the original kind of silent payment address owner.
And that, that process is repeatable. So if the same person wanted to pay you again, I believe they would be able to generate a new address and so on and so forth. And what that means for you as the recipient then basically is that you're able to receive two brand new addresses from one or a million people or two separate addresses without having to interact with anybody or to have to run a server a la BTC pay server, which is the traditional way to kind of, be online and surface new addresses to each person that wants to interact with you. Seth, how did I do?
[00:39:53] Unknown:
You need it? Like, I don't really have anything else to add. Yeah. People can dig into your, your episode for more, but you have Yep. You have become the master.
[00:40:02] Unknown:
Did, did any did I miss any of the other any popular wallets that also have it? Spyro and and Cake are the big ones, obviously.
[00:40:08] Unknown:
Yeah. There's not really any other popular ones on the sending side. There's also a hardware wallet, the Bitbox o two, that does have the ability to send two silent payments wallets. That's the only one as far as I know on the hardware wallet side. But on the the software wallet side, there is a, like, a new wallet that's built to be silent payments only called Dana Wallet that's been around. I've been iterating and has just gone, to to supporting main net fairly recently, which you can definitely check out. People behind it are awesome. But that one is, like, it's very much built to be a silent payments only wallet, not even just a Bitcoin only wallet, but the only, address format that supports a silent payments, which is cool, especially if your use case is like just receiving donations. It's a bit simplified because you don't have to worry about generating new addresses or derivation pads or anything like that.
But they're they are doing good good work over there.
[00:40:59] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Next question on the list comes from friend of the show, BTC Russell, over on Nosta. And he wants to know what is each of our favorite mobile wallet and why? On chain and Lightning. So one of each. He personally likes Ashigaru and Zeus. They're the go tos. I'm gonna throw a spanner in the works here and say that I'm not allowed to say Envoy. Kate, Seth, you're not allowed to say cake. So, Max, I'll hand it to you first while Seth, frankly thinks of an alternative. And,
[00:41:28] Unknown:
Are there other wallets? Hold on. I thought they were only taken Envoy.
[00:41:34] Unknown:
So, yeah. Favorite Lightning wallet, favorite on chain wallet, Max. Over to you first. If I can't say Keiko or Envoy,
[00:41:41] Unknown:
I've gotta say Wallet of Satoshi. It's just so good. I like, the cyberpunk ethos. Ouch. And Ouch. No. Obviously, obviously, Ashigaru for me. If, if I'm using anything outside of cake for most things, it's Ashigaru. And lightning I do use Zeus. I I just generally have problems with with anything lightning, but if if I'm using, if I'm using something, I would use Zeus.
[00:42:19] Unknown:
Alright. Seth? Mhmm.
[00:42:22] Unknown:
I would say, generally, for I I don't even know what I would say for an on chain mobile wallet other than cake, honestly. But for lightning, I'd say Phoenix. It's just the best possible self custodial lightning wallet in terms of usability.
[00:42:40] Unknown:
Go ahead. Apply to both, couldn't you? Because it speaks both through swaps.
[00:42:45] Unknown:
You could. Yeah. You can you can technically use it for both. Like, you'll have some disadvantages in that any on chain payment is spliced out of your channel, so it reveals your channel to the person that you're paying. They're not yet using Taproot channels. Yeah. I think hashtag soon, they will, but so it does in some ways have some worse privacy for on chain than a normal on chain wallet, but you absolutely can use it for both. I mean, I know some people also still use Moon Wallet for that because it's just stupid simple. And in the current fee market, it works for, quote, unquote, Lightning as well. But, yeah, I'd probably say I'd probably say Phoenix generally.
[00:43:20] Unknown:
Alright. Awesome. Yeah. Good callouts for for both of those. Mine, personally, will be Zeus for for Lightning, because it connects to my node remotely or locally. I've also got an LSP connection there as well for as a fallback in case I'm, you know, at a conference and I wanna spend via Lightning and my nodes fell over. On chain, mobile, it's honestly I don't really you know, anytime I need to spend Bitcoin, generally it's with Lightning from my own node. So I don't use On Chain wallets all that often. And when I do interact On Chain, it's with a passport as my cold storage wallet with Sparrow.
So it's kind of, like, difficult to to to recommend one that I use regularly. But I guess if I was pushed, it'd probably say Ashigara just because it's so feature rich and, you know, has the the kind of samurai legacy there so that you've got all of the additional spending tools in there as well. Good question. I like that one. Okay, Seth, this one comes back over to you and it comes from Quidion on Nosta. And he said, can you walk through the privacy trade off of gift cards And additional to what's on chain in the show notes, visible only to me, there is some follow-up questions, but I'll let you hit the the first one first, just at a high level kind of what the loose trade offs are of gift cards. And, obviously, if you wanna apply this strictly to to Cape Pay, feel free to do so because, obviously, you're you're most well versed in that.
[00:44:41] Unknown:
Yeah. So it kinda depends on who you're caring about privacy from. Specifically, I know the question says, does a merchant know you bought this gift card with crypto? And the answer is no. The the merchant or the person who the gift card actually can be redeemed at doesn't learn anything about who purchased the card or where they purchased it. It's coming from an upstream supplier through cake through Cake Pay. We're the ones taking crypto. There's no kinda upstream relation of this info. So you do gain very good privacy from the merchant. They just know you're a gift card user. They don't they don't have any information about where specifically you come from. Now it's not like there's some cryptographic, like, privacy here. So in theory, like, you you could link back if you if all of the entities talk together, you could link back from gift card to crypto payment, because all that information did happen at some point. So, like, it is theoretically possible to link those things.
But normally, the merchant doesn't know anything, not even that you paid with crypto, much less who you are. So it does have good kind of, you can kind of say it's like VPN style privacy, where you're just trusting all the entities not to log. And thankfully, in this instance, you're also trusting them not to collude because you would need to collude between the upstream supplier, Cake Pay themselves, and the merchant to get any kind of idea of how the payment of how the gift card was purchased. And then, obviously, the icing on top is if you're paying with something like Lightning or Monero, we don't know anything about even your financial activity, much less your identity. So it does have very good privacy in general there.
[00:46:15] Unknown:
Yeah. A couple of follow-up questions. He said, does Cake Pay and Bitrefill work the same, or are there any differences?
[00:46:22] Unknown:
They're essentially the same. I would say Cake Pay, we generally have a much larger selection, but our redemption process isn't quite as smooth as bit refills. Obviously, we're working to improve that. And the bit refill have a much smaller selection, especially when it comes to debit cards. But they've really honed their redemption process. It's super, super slick. Like, kudos to them. They've done a really good job with that. But under the hood, it's essentially the same. And then I can quickly answer the last one too. Why does CakePay refuse torque connections? So, unfortunately, I don't know if it's because we're in the Monero ecosystem or just something that everyone experiences, but we we are basically always under massive DDoS attacks, usually via the Tor network. Not always, but usually via the Tor network.
So we have to implement some DDoS protection that blocks Tor exit nodes, most of the time. It's a it's an unfortunate downside of people using a really good tool like Tor to do bad things. And if we don't block Tor exit nodes, we have downtime for everybody else. So, unfortunately, there's not really a workaround for that. The other, like, main thing I'll say is that especially with the debit cards doing that over Tor or VPN, there are a lot of problems with it. And we'll we'll make people check boxes to say that they're not using VPN or Tor when they go to redeem them. Because, again, they're very strict from a regulatory perspective on where people actually are, and the cards actually only work in specific jurisdictions. So people circumventing those those geo restrictions with a VPN will just end up hurting themselves more than it will hurt anybody else. So that's like a side thing, but the main reason why sometimes you can't use Cake Pay at all over Tor is because it probably means it doesn't probably mean it definitely means that we're undergoing a major DDoS attack and having to limit to our access as a result of that.
[00:48:12] Unknown:
Alright. Appreciate that one. We've got a question in the Nostal Live chat from Remnant, and he said, do we need more smaller conferences focused on circular economy issues and growth? I would say yes. However, the problem is that those aren't very sexy topics, and they don't sell many tickets, which is why you don't see as many, of them around the globe as as maybe we would like. With that said, you know, there are there are a couple of good ones. I know, the one I've just been to in Madrid was a much smaller affair, and there was some great, sort of similar topics discussed, at that conference. And, you know, there's probably no more than a couple of thousand people at that conference. But, yeah, I'd I'd love to see more stuff like that, particularly talking about grassroots stuff. But, unfortunately, the the main demographic of Bitcoin is kind of likes to go and hear, you know, the usual, talking heads, give a presentation about how Bitcoin is, you know, a digital battery, or a mycelium or something like that. Unfortunately, that's what, that's what gets clicks and that's what, sells tickets. So, we we do find ourselves in the minority, but, guys, is there any, alternative, or similar conferences that cover this type of topic that you guys have are aware of or have been to that we could recommend?
[00:49:31] Unknown:
I would say, Lake Satoshi is one where they've always got people not necessarily doing the talks, but who will discuss this type of stuff. And they've got, like, real grassroots people who really actually use Bitcoin and trade and all that kind of stuff. And then, BTC, the what's the Bitcoin one in Wales? I'm blanking now. With Dragon
[00:49:55] Unknown:
The Bitcoin retreat. Doing the
[00:49:56] Unknown:
The Bitcoin retreat. That had some really good ones. Open Arms did a couple of talks at one of them. They've always they've always sort of leaned more towards privacy and security and stuff. So there are two that I've, I can say are very good for that kind of stuff. And then there are lots of other smaller meetups as well, that will focus on that. We have talked about doing some ungovernable material along with cake and foundation to, to actually have as presentations for some of the meetups. So if people are listening and you run a meetup, please reach out to us.
[00:50:36] Unknown:
Yeah. The only thing I'll just generally add is there's there are a lot of small conferences that are like this, especially if you aren't requiring it to be, like, strictly Bitcoin only. Dark Prague is a really good example. It used to be called it's kind of a reboot of hackers congress, in Prague as the name suggests. And they they've always, like, the the actual place that it's at called second culture, accepts Bitcoin, lightning, Monero, I think, Litecoin as well for everything. And they they heavily push circular economies there. They always have really good talks and discussions around that. Same for Monero Con and Monero Topia. I know it's not Bitcoin, but it's always, all done in Monero. Every merchant accepts Monero.
It's a big push there as well. So you generally have to go smaller if you want that type of thing, but there are some good more cypherpunk smaller conferences throughout the space that that do push this and prioritize people giving talks and workshops and that sort of thing on on actually accepting Bitcoin.
[00:51:34] Unknown:
I think, yeah, that the the to underline that basically is that they they exist. You just because they're much less funded, you just have to kinda keep your ear to the ground in the usual kind of communities to to hear about them because they don't have the the few million in marketing budget that say, you know, the Vegas conference has, which is, you know, everywhere that you look most of the times of the year. So, yeah, maybe, check out the Lake Satoshis is a great one. Get yourself in the mesh the Dell and, get involved there. That would be a a great starting point, and you'll probably hear about many other similar conferences, and get togethers from there as well.
Next question, if I can find it in my list. I don't know whether this was a bit of a loaded question, but I feel like it'll be a good discussion anyway. Some somebody that goes by Superlimina on Nosta, said thoughts on the make freedom profitable presentation from Odell. I hadn't seen this until ten minutes before the show. The quick TLDR about the presentation is basically, it's just Matt talking about what 10:31 does, what some of their, portfolio companies do, and the the need to make kind of profitable businesses that have a good, I guess, a good ethos or that are well aligned with what we would traditionally consider, like, you know, an open and an honest company, so to speak.
I didn't draw issue with anything that he said in there. I I completely aligned with it. And, I, you know, it's good to see some VC capital capital go into some companies that, you know, are about open source, and that are well principled. Because it is an age old difficult problem and that, you know, we all want things to be completely open source, but that sometimes can make monetization quite difficult, particularly if you're not well funded from from an early stage. It can make it difficult for you to compete. But, yeah, the the I completely agree with the principles and everything he talked about in there. And, if we can make profitable companies that are truly open source and that support, the ethos, then I'm I'm all for it. I I have no disagreement there. You know, clearly foundation are well, aligned with that. Everybody at the team is, and I know Cake, does exactly the same. Everything that they produce is is completely open source as well. So we're we're kind of, preaching to the choir here a little bit. But, hopefully that answers your question. Guys, I don't know whether you've seen the presentation or not. If you haven't and you've got nothing to add, just let me know.
[00:54:02] Unknown:
Nope.
[00:54:06] Unknown:
Nay. But I agree with I agree with your, your thoughts on it generally. We need to figure out a way to make these things profitable without ruining the ethos, which is a hard hard line to
[00:54:16] Unknown:
correct. Certainly is. Alright. I'm gonna make this the last question for the show. And it comes from Sage Empire, and they ask, what is the biggest privacy mistake people make when trying to protect their privacy online? I will go first here while you guys have a quick think. And the the the most common thing I see is that people just try and do too much too quickly, get burnt out and just think, oh, fuck it. It's not even worth trying. So they'll go for, you know, they'll switch to the Tor browser. They'll get they'll get a Graphene phone. They'll, try to go no KYC for all of their Bitcoin purchases and Monero purchases.
And, they'll quickly get bogged down because doing all of that in in one kind of fell swoop is quite a steep learning curve depending on where your you know, how your background looks. So I would say that would be the the most common pitfall. So what I would say is just take slow steps. Seek the advice of people who've kind of done this thing before, because, you can kind of take a little bit of a shortcut there and learn from the mistakes that that I'm sure we've all made on this call, very similar to to the one I've just mentioned. Pick one, maybe two topics or areas that you want to improve.
Maybe do like a bit of a prioritise it price prioritisation exercise first and foremost to deem, you know, where you might see your biggest privacy pitfalls. And just focus on one or two in the first instance. Get comfortable with those, make those, kind of your run of the mill thing so that it's not so much of a mental burden for you and then move on to the next thing. Because the truth of the matter is, like, it never ends. There's always new tools. There's always new hurdles to get over. So, trying to take on everything immediately is gonna lead to, a quick downfall and you getting very frustrated very, very quickly.
[00:56:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Agreed. I would also say email reuse is a big one, which, like, maybe people don't think about a lot. Like, you're signing up for newsletters, and you're signing up for services, and your email's all over the place. That that's, not ideal and it's an easy one to fix. And then what would you want, I guess? Sorry. Just to dive in. Quick quick advice then. What would you say as a as a quick fix? What would you recommend to people in that scenario? Well, the most simple one if you're running something, you know, you've got, like, a Mac or something like that and you're using their mail service, they actually have the, option to just generate, new emails for everything. Everything you sign up for, it will do I can't what it's called, Like, hide my email, I think it is.
So you can just create hide my emails and at least then it's not using the same one. That's the simple way, or you can do it in Proton. I think they limit you though, don't they, Proton, to like is it 20 emails you can make? Or
[00:57:05] Unknown:
I don't think it's, like addresses you can use, but they have, email aliases via SimpleLogin now. I think even the free plan has a reasonable amount.
[00:57:14] Unknown:
Okay. So, yeah, that would be a good one.
[00:57:17] Unknown:
Okay. Nice. Alright. So, just in the interest of time, just hand it over to Seth before we sign off.
[00:57:23] Unknown:
Yeah. I think, a big one for me, and this maybe isn't the main audience, but maybe something to keep in mind, is a lot of people in the privacy space are, like, very anti crypto, anti Bitcoin because they have, like, a broken conception of what it was back in the day and aren't willing to come around to it. And if you don't have the financial privacy piece or even just the financial pseudonymity piece that, like, basic Bitcoin usage can give you, a lot of the other stuff falls apart very quickly. So I think just remembering that that piece is important, but also just one piece of the whole.
[00:57:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Good point. It's easy to forget when Mhmm. You're in this space that a lot of people just don't use it or, yeah, just sort of, like, do all the other steps and VPNs and everything, and then you you give over your account details. And
[00:58:07] Unknown:
Yeah. And does it quickly.
[00:58:09] Unknown:
Yes. Indeed. Indeed. Alright, guys. That brings us to the end of the hour already flown by as always. Thank you to everybody in the live chat. Thank you to everybody that presubmitted your questions. Apologies to, those that did presubmit the questions and didn't get those answered. Your question will be added to the backlog. So keep your ear to the ground for future shows because, we will be pulling those from, from the backlog list, to answer and make sure that you do not get forgotten about. This has been fun. Thank you very much for stopping by, and, we will see you for more of the same at the same time next week. And don't forget to, stick around and watch Max's awesome outro video. Have a good one, guys.
[00:58:58] Unknown:
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My name's q and a, and I'm head of customer experience at Foundation where we build Bitcoin focused sovereignty tools. And as always, I am joined by my good friends, Max, the head honcho of the Ungovern All Misfits Empire, and Seth, who is VP at kWallet. As I mentioned, this show is live and interactive, and we're allowing you guys to steer us towards the topics you want us to cover or to send us the Freedom Tech related questions that you want answering. There's loads of ways in which you can get involved, all of which really help spread awareness for the show. This includes commenting or getting your questions in a live chat, submitting your topics or questions ahead of time, on X or Nosta, boosting the show on Fountain or other podcasting two point o apps, sending in your questions or tips via Bitcoin or Monero at xmrchat dot com, and finally, just sharing the show with your friends on X or Nosta.
Top support for last week's show on home automation comes from our good friend, Late Stage Huddle, who sent 8,008 SATs and said I hope you're sitting down for this one, by the way, guys. How can we film an MTV Cribs style show with Bitcoin houses without dotting locations or faces? Can Home Assistant help with that? I also used to have these automated lights and quickly quickly realized that I didn't want to deal with it have or have it phoning home. For lights automation, it's much much easier to install an analog option, like a motion sensor switch, on the wall to replace the manual switch, like a bathroom occupancy switch, which turns on the lights for thirty minutes when you walk in.
So unless you take a really long shit, then the light and fan will turn off after you finish your business and leave. If you get stuck watching videos of doom scrolling, then just a simple wave of the hand will turn it back on. I'm sure we've all been in that situation before. I had this happen to me once in college where I was in a store when the light turned off in the bathroom while I was in there, and the sensor couldn't see me. It didn't turn back on until the next person walked in and was surprised that I was shitting in the dark. Or in my shed when I can't get fucking minors to work and I'm staring at the computer, then the lights turn off. So I typically use that as an indicator that I need another beer and walk over to trigger the lights again. Sorry for the long boost on your short one hour long show. I've sent some extra sats.
Thank you for your support, Late Stage Huddle. And, Max, Seth, welcome to the show. How's it going?
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Better now after hearing that story. That's a lovely
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thing. See, that that's kinda set the bar for, like, how the quality of boost I wanna see on Freedom Tech Friday because that was spectacular.
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That was lovely. Really like that. The, the idea about the MTV Cribs though, I think, I think that might need some more thought there, mate. We might have a few, $20 rancher tax.
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Seth, you're, you're back with us after your one week hiatus. How's it going? I am. I am. It is going well. I like that he got about a a word per set going there with that, that boost. So that was a that was a good one. I mean, we all have done that, though. I I don't know. That's how some bathrooms have been for, my jobs in the past where you're sitting in there and the lights go off and you just you just cry inside.
[00:03:56] Unknown:
Eventually, someone comes in now and saves you. But To be honest, though, at at this stage of life, like, especially being a dad, taking a shit is, like, the best part of my day. It's the it's the one part where it's peaceful, and I can just go, ah, I've got ten minutes here. Maybe not half an hour. We've got ten minutes here of just calm and peace. Is it is it peaceful? I feel like they can sense
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when you think it's gonna be peaceful. Yeah. All hell breaks loose right then. That is true. Maybe that maybe that's just me.
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I I always find, again, as a dad, that I've never been in more in demand than the exact moment that I need to use the bathroom.
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Yeah.
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Always the way. You sit down, but you're you're ass such as a seat, and it's like, dad.
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The screaming and crying immediately. Yes. Yes. It's inevitable.
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All of a sudden there's 85 jobs that need doing.
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Too real. Too real. Indeed. Anyway,
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this week we don't have a specific topic to talk about. We are having, as the, title suggests, a big question bonanza. Thank you very much to everybody that got involved across X and Nosta submitting your questions ahead of time. As is always the case, we have way more than we can get through. And as is always the case as well is if you're in the live chat, you will take precedent if you wanna drop your questions in. Anything Freedom Tech related, there's no strict topic this week. So if you want the guys to, cover off anything specific, please let us know in the live chat. But with that said, oh, look. Dad's in the chat. Hi, John.
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Nice to see you. Hello, Dad.
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Oh, honorable mention as well to, the Nosta livestream. We have, some boosts coming. Bon, friend of the show, 2,345 sats already, and ex patriotic straight in there with the first boost with 5,000 sats. What a catch. Oh, thank you. Yeah. What a man. Alright. First question on our list. Let me bring it up. Where are we? Comes from mister Tux over at k Wallet. And he wants our thoughts on the Cashew quote Bitcoin for signal fork, which came about, I think it was yesterday. This is very, hot off the press news. I'll set the scene, I guess, first before handing it over to you guys. But from what I can see, basically, some Bitcoiners have forked, Signal, which is open source, and they have included Bitcoin payments, specifically, Cashew Bitcoin payments within that so that you can have, like, a what appears to be, I haven't tested it, quite kind of a nice experience where you can just fling some SATs around to various people within DMs or group chats, and also means that you don't have to use the, Shitcoin crap that I believe is still in signal. Is that right, Seth? Is that still there?
[00:06:49] Unknown:
It is shockingly in there. I've never seen or heard anyone ever use it, but it is not. Seen it.
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So so I'll have to kick it off, so what do I think of it? I I think as a, technical, from a tech perspective, I think it's interesting. I'd much rather see something like this than some, altcoin that has no kind of, underlying value prop. So I like that the fact that they've, you know, done it Bitcoin centric. Although, frequent listeners to the show won't be surprised to hear me say that it's a bit of a shame that it's done on Cashew. Although, I can see why the people behind it may have done it because they don't have to worry about all of the the technical hurdles of doing things the way I would prefer from a more of a purist view of doing it non custodially.
The obvious one would be, Lightning, but as we know, lots of hurdles with doing that in a non custodial way. Maybe in the future, there's a a way in which we can do something with ARC or Spark. We've got one of the the the industry's hottest, ARC slash Spark influencers in the chat that I'm sure will, be able to elaborate a little bit more. But, yeah, I think it's interesting. Would I rather they do this than what's already in there? Yeah. Absolutely. It's Bitcoin centric. So, yeah, we'll we'll see if it gains adoption. What about you guys?
[00:08:07] Unknown:
I answered, a tux on Twitter, I think. But, basically, it's not generally a fan of noncustodial stuff if we can avoid it. But it is better, as you say, than having some random token that's not tied to Bitcoin in any way. And it's also better than something like Wallet of Satoshi, which is what sort of half of the fucking Bitcoiners, so called Bitcoiners you see on Twitter and Shillfluencers and everything used. So, it could be much, much worse. I'm not I'm not upset about it, but I'm not also, as excited as I would be if it was self custodial like or something like
[00:08:48] Unknown:
that. Yeah. It's, I I'll try not to get too much on my soapbox. It's it's it's interesting. I I love the general idea of trying to bring Bitcoin to apps that are not wallets. Like, I think Breeze have done a really good job pushing on this. Roy for Breeze specifically has done a lot of writing on this concept of, like, we need to get out of this box of money only belongs in a wallet, and that there should there really should be ways that you can easily send and receive money in apps that you use, especially social apps. But, obviously, the downside here is it's using Cashew, which does provide your privacy, but, obviously, completely sacrifices custody to a single custodian as well. So it's not even, like, a sediment or something like that where there's a a set of guardians or set of custodians that share custody using a multisig, but it's just a single custodian doing this. So, like, the the privacy is very cool, and it's frustrating to me that in Bitcoin, a lot of the choices today are either do custodial but have good privacy or do self custodial but have poor privacy. But that is the way that a lot of things have kind of fallen in the the Bitcoin and light and lightning landscapes.
But I think we're getting better and better for a privacy perspective of the self custodial options. I mean, really, I would love to just see this be probably using Spark. Breeze, their new SDK, is is using Spark on the back end. It's quite straightforward to implement and would let people have their own keys. And the really nice thing about signal is users already have accounts, and they already have some account metadata that's backed up encrypted with signal. So, like, you're able to restore your account. It has your profile info, the picture that you set, that sort of thing. If you move to a new phone, you could very easily just back up your private keys as part of that too. It would be encrypted. It's not really a concern because, again, it's small amounts, so you're not giving up custody. You're you're retaining that custody for yourself, but you're using the existing phone number backup system that exists today, for signal.
And you could do that and have a really good user experience. You wouldn't have as good a privacy as if you were using Cashew, but you would still have quite good privacy, and that will hopefully get a lot better. Spark guys have promised a lot of good privacy improvements. The folks at Arc, especially Arc Labs, have been talking about privacy improvements as well. So I think, like, I would much rather it be built on that. But the the real honest truth about this is, like, it's really easy to buy into the hype of the the way that this has been tweeted about, but this has nothing to do with Signal, the actual project, or the apps that you can download on your phone. This is a fork where they've built this functionality, and they're just hoping that signal themselves will implement this.
I don't see that happening. The last thing that I'll quickly say, the main downside for signal themselves and why I think there's a lot of, like, broken thinking about this idea of Cashew. Like, there's so much hype around it and integrating it into lots of different things and pushing organizations like Blue Sky and Signal to adopt it. But no one ever talks about this, like, who's gonna run the Mints problem? Like Don't ask that question. Come on. I know. I got you're not allowed to ask that part. But, like, is is signal going to suddenly go through the regulatory hurdles of becoming a money services business and custody all the coins of their users, or do they not wanna do that as I assume they probably don't wanna do that like everyone else who you actually talk to behind the scenes doesn't wanna run a mint.
And then they want someone else to, but then are is are you gonna be trusting some random manon in his garage running a cashument with all of your signal users? No. You're not gonna do that either. So you just continue to get stuck in this, like, you need a Goldilocks solution for Cashew that I just think doesn't exist for, like, who will actually custody, who will either become a regulatory like, a regulated entity and thus a custodian or will avoid becoming that and have to live in a jurisdiction where signal can ever prosecute them if they wrote their users or something. There's just, like, there's so many, like, actual things when you peer behind the veil of how does this actually work.
It falls apart quickly. But the general idea of having Lightning specifically in signal is amazing and I think should happen, and is a great fit for something like Breeze's Spark SDK, I think, and would be yet another good push to the Spark guys to implement better and better privacy as they've promised.
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Yeah. Great, overview there. Appreciate that. A a quick, baited question here for for either of you from the Nostra chat, which you guys won't see unless you're monitoring it. Come from Remnant, and, he says, who gives a fuck about a $70 wallet in Casio that some guy can rug me on?
[00:13:35] Unknown:
What what would your answer to that be, guys? Someone whose life savings is $70 and they earn £3 a week. Or somebody, you know, somebody who doesn't have a $70 is, different to different people. I mean, it means absolutely nothing to, someone very wealthy, and it means a hell of a lot to someone who hasn't got a lot. And it's kind of also not really the point. It's how are we building and where are we focusing our time and energy. And if you're just building things to only be okay in theory for $70 but not more, and that have these potential regulatory problems and that someone has to be in the middle and can potentially be prosecuted for money laundering or whatever fucking bullshit they wanna throw at them.
I just feel like personally, I just think that there are potentially better uses of funds and time.
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Yeah. And I I think, like, for me, the bigger issue is not, like, will it ruin you to have your your Bitcoin, like, your your spending money stolen? Like, from most people who are gonna be listening to this, probably not. Like, you're gonna have $50 in there. It wouldn't be the end of the world. The bigger problem is all almost all of these solutions, like, where people want to put cashew is in places where people are not normally Bitcoiners. So, like, the goal with Cashew in signal would be suddenly you get a 100,000,000 people onboarded to Bitcoin or exposed to Bitcoin for the first time, or maybe it's the first time they've actually been able to sit and receive it with other people because they don't know other people who actually have wallets. And that's the the biggest problem here is not necessarily that they'd lose money, but that if these people's first exposure to Bitcoin ends in six months or a year with the money that they've sent and received to friends all going away and disappearing, what do you think their takeaway about Bitcoin is going to be?
Yes. If it goes perfectly, that's great. But if there's any issue and as a reminder, Cashew is a single custodian. It doesn't necessarily have to be malice. They could just screw up and, fuck over their server or have a fire in their data center or have some mistake where the data center decommissions the wrong server. And suddenly, everyone's money is gone. It's it's something where, like, I'm more worried about the the user experience for someone who who their only use of Bitcoin is this, or their first exposure to Bitcoin is this. And then if they get rugged and then go, okay. So my Bitcoin can just be stolen anytime. Like, I thought it was mine. I thought the whole point of this was self custody and sovereignty, and maybe they don't understand that they actually had to do something else to get that self custody. But, yeah, I'm I'm more concerned with what this would do to people's perception of using Bitcoin and crypto more generally if something were to happen. And it's quite easy for something bad to happen, even accidentally.
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Love it. Thank you very much, guys. Question from dad, in the chat. He's relaying question from a mesh todellian. Like, that's that's a nice word. Mesh to delian, named Sam. Are there any zapping experts in here? Max, I'm looking at you. Is it possible to connect a b two c pay server internal lightning node for zapping? I I installed the Nosta plugin for B2C pay, but I feel like I am missing something. I think you've already had the answer, Bon from Bon in the chat. He mentions that they need to get their Nosta wallet connect string from the B2C pay and paste that into their Nosta client. I believe in the settings of BTCPay, they should give you that required string, and then you can go and paste that into any compatible Gnostic client. I know for a fact Primal and Amethyst will will, you know, accommodate said string. So hope that helps, but, tell Sam, whoever Sam is, that that he can, send me a DM if he wants any, specific help with that one.
Alright, guys. Twenty minutes in, and we've got one question ticked off the list. So we're we're staying true to form here. Next one comes from Dune Messiah, over on Nosta, and they said, what's the most underrated part of Bitcoin's tech stack that most plebs overlook? I will answer this first because I get to see all the questions first. So I've had a little bit of time to think about it, and I'll give you guys a a a few minutes to conjure up, an answer. But, mine would be and it's I apologize if you see this as a boring one, but it would probably be Bit 39, the seed word standard, because everybody takes it for granted.
And it's just kind of the default way to use literally any Bitcoin wallet on the entire market. And people take it for granted of the power that it gives them. You know? It's essentially a universal backup that prevents any vendor lock in from any, wallet ever. You can take your Bitcoin wherever, whenever. And you it also has a nice benefit that you don't have to deal with individual private keys like, OGs that were far earlier into the space than all three of us would have had to deal with where they had literal kind of text files with individual private keys for all of their addresses, which as you can imagine is a bit of a headache to deal with and manage. So, I guess, yeah, underrated because of what it enables and overlooked because it's just part of the furniture now. It's just the default way that most people use Bitcoin and, is arguably the most powerful aspect of kind of self custody and or or the enablement that it provides self custody.
But, what about you, Max, sir?
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I like I underrated because I've underrated it for a long time is BIP 85. I actually think that that's like char like child seeds, especially when you're the Bitcoiner in a group or family, or you're testing loads of stuff all the time. I think that's really nice, and it's something that I
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massively overlooked for a long time. So give us give us the the TLDR for anybody who's not who has no idea what BIP 85 is.
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So if you were to say you're running a passport and you thought, I wanna spin up a new mobile wallet, for yourself or your sister or friend or someone, and you think like, okay. The person that I'm splitting this up for would probably gonna not back this up properly and could potentially lose it. You can, from within your passport, create as many of these, like, sub wallets as you want, and that will give you the ability to spin up for friends and family. And if anyone loses their wallet and they're like, oh my god. I had, you know, whatever amount of money on there, and I didn't I put this I wrote the things down, but I can't remember where or my dog ate the paper or whatever stupid shit they come up with. You know, okay. They're, number five in my list of VIP 85 child seeds, and then you can just restore it from there because you have as long as you have your master seed, your 24 word backup, you have all the other ones that you generate. You can generate, I believe, as many as you want. So it could be for all your friends and family, your kids, your mom, your dad, whatever, and, you wanna spin one you put a cake wallet. You wanna set that up. You can do it from there so you don't have a separate backup for that.
It's just I think it's really underrated.
[00:20:56] Unknown:
I'll, I'll double down on that too, and then I'll add my own. So a really nice thing, and I'll I'll shamelessly shill cake wallet here, is you could use a bit 55 seed, like a 12 word seed from passport, and you could use that to create, all of your wallets in cake wallet. It doesn't even have to be just why I did. Yeah. I'm not but it could be Monero. Yeah. It could be Ethereum. It could be whatever you use. Obviously, most people are probably gonna be doing Bitcoin, but it is it's pretty fantastic. But now you could do all of them, which has been a fun thing that we've added. It's not just Bitcoin like it used to be. And then as for mine, I think the most underrated part that I think some of those of us in the space use but isn't as common is accounts for Bitcoin.
So just the ability to have one wallet, one seed phrase, and have separate accounts for different purposes is really, really useful. Doing things like separating separating out KYC, no KYC Bitcoin, maybe having a separate account for accepting donations. It gives you a lot of flexibility in, like, how you split up your funds to make sure that different things for different purposes don't get all blended together, but without meaning that you have to have yet another backup to store is a really powerful feature that, I I would love to see people use more often and to see more wallets implement. It's something we don't have in k wallet right now, actually. So, you can rag on me and harass me on Twitter about that. But we do have some very exciting things that are account related that are in the works right now. And accounts will be a, a first class citizen of Kik Wallet. Hashtag soon.
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Two weeks, TM.
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Good question, Nava. But I wish.
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Yeah. Good question, Nava. Thank you, June Messias. Next one comes from Bitter twenty one over on Nosta. And they said, if I wanna spend Bitcoin obtained via KYC, could I use eCash, like Cashew, to spend it in a privacy preserving way? Short answer is yes. It would give you, a good base level of privacy in terms of forward privacy, should I say, like, when you enter the mint. Let's say the exchange, I don't know, pick a name, Coinbase. They wouldn't necessarily be easily able to see where you've spent those funds out of the mint. You know, it could be via lightning. It could be another on chain transaction back out of the mint afterwards after a short period of time or a long period of time. But as always, and many people will have heard me say this many times, it simply doesn't and cannot erase the KYC, record of you purchasing that Bitcoin off Coinbase in this scenario.
So, yes, you'll get a good kind of forward privacy or be it with the the custodial caveats that we've just talked about for the past ten minutes. So also worth bearing that in mind as well as the privacy aspect of this. But, yeah, you you still ain't getting rid of the fact that Coinbase knows you bought x amount of Bitcoin on this date for this exchange rate, yada yada yada. So my alternative advice would be, try to purchase via a NoCo SE option, because you're already starting 10 steps ahead of, the the, competition, essentially. You're making yourself not the lowest hanging fruit.
But I guess to to summarize and to answer your question, yes, it would give you a little bit of privacy. Well, it would give you good level of privacy. You know, I I think we're all aligned here that Cashew, and similar technologies do give good privacy, but with with some quite big caveats and trade offs in terms of custody. But, disagree with anything I've said there, guys, or anything to
[00:24:32] Unknown:
add? I'll just pull on one little thread. One thing to keep in mind is that, like, if you're sending on chain Bitcoin into the event, you should assume that that entity knows that you've sent it into that meant. Like, it's I'm sure that especially as e cash usage grows, the the wallet clustering for popular men's is 100% going to be done by channel assets, etcetera. And they're gonna know when funds flow into a mint. Now, obviously, the beauty of eCash is that within the mint, you have near perfect privacy. But entities will still know when you move into the mint because on chain Bitcoin reveals a lot of information about you, unfortunately.
And if you try to use it just as like this, like, pass through privacy layer and you withdraw immediately on chain or you withdraw the same amount, a while later on chain, and there's not a lot of other people withdrawing roughly the same amount. It can also be quite trivial to do, like timing and amount heuristics to trace that through. So it it I've I said they say this about every kind of, like, interim layer that people talk about using. People ask me all the time about, like, can I can I do this with Monero? Like, can I swap Bitcoin from Monero and then back to Bitcoin? And does that fix all my privacy problems? No. Unfortunately, unless you're a perfectly random human, which I am not, and you can do properly random amounts and random timing. So I wouldn't assume it gives you perfect privacy, but it's certainly better privacy than you would have otherwise. It would be best if you can do then your payments out via lightning.
But, unfortunately, again, in Cashew, you're not the one creating the routes, as far as I know in any Cashew wallet. So the Cashew Mint would know or, more specifically, the Lightning service provider, the gateway for that Cashew Mint would know where that payment is going within Lightning as well unless you're using bolt 12. So, short answer is it's a long answer because it's complex. Not perfect, but it is an okay way to gain some privacy.
[00:26:28] Unknown:
Alright. Next question comes from the Nosta live chat. It's Remnant again. And he said, where have the BTC gift cards gone? I can't find them anywhere these days. And as a follow-up, I had him clarify that he means gift cards containing Bitcoin, not kind of go into a cake pay or or to Bitrefill to exchange Bitcoin for an Amazon gift card per se. I would suggest I agree. I haven't seen them. I mean, they they weren't that many in The UK in the first place, but I would imagine that they probably just been regulated out of existence. However, I will caveat that biz by saying that I've seen something recently with Fold maybe doing something like this. I'm sure I've seen some tweets about this. I don't have any more context than oh, there you go. Seth has just dropped the link in the, in the Twitter chat.
Foldout.com/bitcoin gift card. Do we know any more information about that? Is it is it as good as it sounds, like you just walk in, hand over some cash, and get some Bitcoin?
[00:27:28] Unknown:
I wasn't sure as I started reading through the link that I just sent. And to redeem it, you have to have a full account registered and verified, which I Mhmm. Does that mean you have to KYC? I don't know. I have not ever used fold, but I think that they are KYC. So the fact that they say account registration and verification
[00:27:52] Unknown:
is a little concerning. So they get you on the way into redeem it, basically.
[00:27:56] Unknown:
I I guess so. But I I I don't wanna say that for sure because I haven't actually used these, but it is the only, like, Bitcoin containing gift card that I know of that exists today.
[00:28:07] Unknown:
I think you could do it yourself, to be honest. You could either do a paper wallet, or you could do something like, you know, write a card and have, like, a little QR scan or something that takes them to a download of a wallet and just say, download this, ping me, and I'll, and I'll send you some this amount of Bitcoin. Like, you could do it in a slightly more manual way and give them KYC free Bitcoin, which is a much better place for them to start and learn with. Yeah. Or I don't know if,
[00:28:40] Unknown:
maybe not our favorite person, but whether Rodolfo still does those, what are they called, OpenDime things? They were quite kind of quite cool. Yeah. I think doing it peer to peer is is achievable. Like, you can get things this b c pay has a similar functionality and stuff, but I think what Remnant was asking was, like, where can he go to a store and just exchange some cash or or for Oh. For Bitcoin? What about, Azteco?
[00:29:03] Unknown:
Are they still I was just literally about to say I was just about to say that. They were in The UK for about five minutes, weren't they, in Astra or something? Yeah. From Astor at all.
[00:29:13] Unknown:
Yeah. Check out azteco, azte.co, I believe, is the, is the URL. Quite popular or used to be quite popular in, South America. Used to have some vendors in Europe, but, I I don't know on the status of that project at the moment. It it seems to be, I I believe, maybe having some difficulties with, like, regulation and stuff.
[00:29:36] Unknown:
What's his name? Who was behind that? Was it b something b,
[00:29:39] Unknown:
Beaution, I think. Beaution. The one that wants to block everyone. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was it. Hey. Just check the check the Twitter chat, aztec.co. There you go. And, I I believe they've still got a map on there that, shows you where it's available. And judging by Seth's comment, big sad that there's zero in The US, unfortunately.
[00:30:00] Unknown:
And it seems like I can buy them digitally now.
[00:30:03] Unknown:
Right. But Which is? I've I've gone I haven't actually gone all the way, but any of those merchants will ask you for for ID when you do that. Oh, okay. Yeah. And, obviously, if it's online, you're gonna have to give your card details anyway. Yeah. The merchant seemed a little
[00:30:16] Unknown:
odd.
[00:30:18] Unknown:
So Yeah. BTS wrestle is, confirming as well, I believe. Azteca is KYC. Yeah. I I I believe it also was big in Africa. B2C wrestle. You're right. So, yeah. Just creeping regulations, unfortunately, seem to be, taking down all of those, awesome options that we used to have maybe, like, five four to five years ago. Okay. This one next question is is for you, Seth. Cortic on x was asking, when will pool in cake? We need one pool liquidity. The bigger the pools, easier to hide in it.
[00:30:58] Unknown:
I definitely want better privacy tools for Bitcoin and cake. Whirlpool is one that I don't foresee us doing anytime soon for two reasons. I mean, one is the obvious regulatory one. Samurai guys took a plea deal, and that's a conviction of this. I don't think I want to put our company on the line to run Whirlpool when people can access that through Ashigaru and and other solutions. So I from a regulatory perspective, it's just not something we can reasonably do right now. Hopefully, that will change, but that's the the primary reason. The secondary one is mainly that a Whirlpool or any type of coin join on mobile is really, really difficult. Specifically, on iOS is basically impossible.
But even on Android, it's quite difficult to do in a way that's user friendly just because of how long it takes between rounds and how complicated the the signing process in rounds is if your Internet isn't perfect. So it it's something that's difficult anyways, but it's just kind of a nonstarter right now thanks to our, our glorious, regulatory overlords.
[00:32:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Pragmatic approach, really, as much as I would love to see, yeah, many, Whirlpool clients, as we used to have. But, yeah, I I can completely understand how you or why you guys are are taking a a very cautious approach. Makes perfect sense. Yeah. Awesome question, actually. And I'm really glad you've, asked this one vibrant because I I wanted to quiz the guys on this one. And he says, have we tried out the Aqua Dolphin card? Now for those that aren't aware what Vibrant's talking about, this is a, virtual Visa debit card within the, Aqua app.
Aqua, for those of you that don't know, is, the liquid based app that also speaks, Lightning and Onchain Bitcoin, but I believe all of your funds are held on the Liquid Network in Aqua under the hood. So just take that, in mind as to if you wanna use this. I downloaded the app the other day because I saw about the, this. It's got 4,000 USD, monthly limit. From what I can see, I haven't used it yet. There's no KYC involved, which is obviously a good thing. Haven't tested it. I would love to hear if anybody has tested this out because it seems like if it if it is as good as it looks on the surface, that it could be a bit of a game changer in terms of spending Bitcoin. Specifically online, this is a virtual card only. You can't add it to Apple or Google Pay at the moment, so you can't just go in in into a physical brick and mortar store and start spending it. So you can only use it online. But as we all know, you can buy most of your shit online these days.
I believe also as well in the t's and c's, I saw that it's not available to US, customers. But that's the TLDR. My only open question here, and I'm and I I'd imagine Seth is best placed to answer this, is I've heard many, stories of people having these types of cards rejected online. Is there any, like, rhyme or reason as to why these things might get rejected, or is it kind of a bit random at the moment?
[00:34:13] Unknown:
So these reloadable cards are usually much better in terms of acceptance and not having issues with rejection. I've dug into this a lot because we've been trying to offer something similar in Cake Pay. And it's definitely doable and doable in a way that's that's good. I think that I mean, the main downside to the Dolphin card, like you mentioned, is that you can't use it in Google or Apple Pay. So you're limited to not using it in store. But there are solutions to that. Like, I'm I've been working with somebody on the Cake Pay side where we're hoping to offer essentially a similar offering, but with Google Pay and Apple Pay, accepted.
It just you can't do it in The US. There's a specific regulation that talks about how these open loop or closed loop cards can be done. And you're limited in how you do the the closed loop cards, which are the the prepaid ones where you get a card for a thousand dollars, for instance, and you just spend it to zero, and then you throw it away. But the reloadable ones just basically aren't possible in The US. So we're always gonna have that restriction. That's the same for the Dolphin card, like like you mentioned, queue. But, it it seems really cool. Like you said, surprisingly non KYC, and that is thankfully, again, something you can do outside The US with these reloadable cards. There's not a there's not a requirement to KYC, which is good. But I'm I'm excited to see more of this kind of become common, and I hope that this will become something that's possible to do in The US as well, but would require some some legal changes, unfortunately.
[00:35:41] Unknown:
Yeah. There's just two final things I wanna say about this. Number one, I I when I was, like, downloading it and looking at where it was available and the t's and c's and stuff, The fact that it's not available in The US, but it is available in The UK, like, normally, it's the flip reverse of that. That's a mental Yeah. Exactly. And, also, I believe that these are nonreversible. So once the funds are on there, you have to kind of spend them back off, so to speak. And if you do find yourself in a jurisdiction where it's difficult to spend them, again, I have no idea how what the what it works like in The UK, then you could find yourself kind of with the funds stuck on there. Although I'm sure you you'd eventually find a merchant that would online that would take it. So if you are gonna try this, maybe just try it out with some small purchase first so you don't get, like, $4,000 worth of Bitcoin, or liquid or whatever locked up on a card that you then can't spend for for whatever reason. So just just tread carefully, and it's something I'm interested in in testing out myself as well. Yeah. I'll make one quick call out to you. If you are in The US,
[00:36:41] Unknown:
don't. I would highly recommend not trying to circumvent this with VPNs or tours, something like that. You very likely will lose your money. These, these vendors are usually very, very strict about these geo restrictions and they they can like like you said, once you put money on the card, if it's clear that you're circumventing it and you're doing it from a jurisdiction they don't support, it's very likely you could lose your money. So please be cautious with that. Don't try to circumvent it if you're in The US. Just don't bother.
[00:37:09] Unknown:
Okay. Next question comes from Filthy Fiat Wallet over on Nosta. Great name. Haven't dug into sign up payments yet. I know I've been hearing about them. Can you please give a short summary? I would first signpost you to the Bitcoin brief, which I believe is being released tomorrow. Correct me if I'm wrong, Max, where you and I did a bit of a deep dive and a comparison on silent payments and Bit 47. So It might even be today. Yeah. I'll keep this brief because you, you know, you've gone to the question the the the trouble of asking us a question. I'll give a brief overview, and then Seth's gonna tell me where I got it wrong. So silent payments wrong. Totally wrong.
[00:37:45] Unknown:
Not even close.
[00:37:46] Unknown:
Yeah. So silent payments, essentially are a reusable static address that you can use to interact with Bitcoin. It's basically you can have it in QR code format or is a texturing that has the prefix SP one. And and anybody with a silent payment compatible wallet, which includes Spiro Wallet now for sending and Cake Wallet for sending and receiving, and some more wallets that Seth's gonna cover off afterwards. With any of those wallets, people don't need to interact directly with you to request an invoice or a or a an address. Presumably, you will have this, silent payment address or QR code posted somewhere on your Twitter account, your Nasr account, or in your bio, or on your website, wherever, YouTube account.
And that's it in terms of interactivity. Anybody with a compatible silent payment wallet can then just scan that QR code or paste in your silent payment address. That's when all the magic under the hood happens, which I won't go into because I said I was gonna keep it brief. But essentially, the two silent payment compatible wallets, or sorry, the sender's silent payment wallet will be able to derive a unique Bitcoin address, which I believe is Taproot only, and will, send Bitcoin to that Taproot address without needing to contact you, speak to you, or have any direct interaction with you in any way, shape, or form. And anybody who knows the the Taproot address cannot link it back to you as the the sign the original kind of silent payment address owner.
And that, that process is repeatable. So if the same person wanted to pay you again, I believe they would be able to generate a new address and so on and so forth. And what that means for you as the recipient then basically is that you're able to receive two brand new addresses from one or a million people or two separate addresses without having to interact with anybody or to have to run a server a la BTC pay server, which is the traditional way to kind of, be online and surface new addresses to each person that wants to interact with you. Seth, how did I do?
[00:39:53] Unknown:
You need it? Like, I don't really have anything else to add. Yeah. People can dig into your, your episode for more, but you have Yep. You have become the master.
[00:40:02] Unknown:
Did, did any did I miss any of the other any popular wallets that also have it? Spyro and and Cake are the big ones, obviously.
[00:40:08] Unknown:
Yeah. There's not really any other popular ones on the sending side. There's also a hardware wallet, the Bitbox o two, that does have the ability to send two silent payments wallets. That's the only one as far as I know on the hardware wallet side. But on the the software wallet side, there is a, like, a new wallet that's built to be silent payments only called Dana Wallet that's been around. I've been iterating and has just gone, to to supporting main net fairly recently, which you can definitely check out. People behind it are awesome. But that one is, like, it's very much built to be a silent payments only wallet, not even just a Bitcoin only wallet, but the only, address format that supports a silent payments, which is cool, especially if your use case is like just receiving donations. It's a bit simplified because you don't have to worry about generating new addresses or derivation pads or anything like that.
But they're they are doing good good work over there.
[00:40:59] Unknown:
Okay. Alright. Next question on the list comes from friend of the show, BTC Russell, over on Nosta. And he wants to know what is each of our favorite mobile wallet and why? On chain and Lightning. So one of each. He personally likes Ashigaru and Zeus. They're the go tos. I'm gonna throw a spanner in the works here and say that I'm not allowed to say Envoy. Kate, Seth, you're not allowed to say cake. So, Max, I'll hand it to you first while Seth, frankly thinks of an alternative. And,
[00:41:28] Unknown:
Are there other wallets? Hold on. I thought they were only taken Envoy.
[00:41:34] Unknown:
So, yeah. Favorite Lightning wallet, favorite on chain wallet, Max. Over to you first. If I can't say Keiko or Envoy,
[00:41:41] Unknown:
I've gotta say Wallet of Satoshi. It's just so good. I like, the cyberpunk ethos. Ouch. And Ouch. No. Obviously, obviously, Ashigaru for me. If, if I'm using anything outside of cake for most things, it's Ashigaru. And lightning I do use Zeus. I I just generally have problems with with anything lightning, but if if I'm using, if I'm using something, I would use Zeus.
[00:42:19] Unknown:
Alright. Seth? Mhmm.
[00:42:22] Unknown:
I would say, generally, for I I don't even know what I would say for an on chain mobile wallet other than cake, honestly. But for lightning, I'd say Phoenix. It's just the best possible self custodial lightning wallet in terms of usability.
[00:42:40] Unknown:
Go ahead. Apply to both, couldn't you? Because it speaks both through swaps.
[00:42:45] Unknown:
You could. Yeah. You can you can technically use it for both. Like, you'll have some disadvantages in that any on chain payment is spliced out of your channel, so it reveals your channel to the person that you're paying. They're not yet using Taproot channels. Yeah. I think hashtag soon, they will, but so it does in some ways have some worse privacy for on chain than a normal on chain wallet, but you absolutely can use it for both. I mean, I know some people also still use Moon Wallet for that because it's just stupid simple. And in the current fee market, it works for, quote, unquote, Lightning as well. But, yeah, I'd probably say I'd probably say Phoenix generally.
[00:43:20] Unknown:
Alright. Awesome. Yeah. Good callouts for for both of those. Mine, personally, will be Zeus for for Lightning, because it connects to my node remotely or locally. I've also got an LSP connection there as well for as a fallback in case I'm, you know, at a conference and I wanna spend via Lightning and my nodes fell over. On chain, mobile, it's honestly I don't really you know, anytime I need to spend Bitcoin, generally it's with Lightning from my own node. So I don't use On Chain wallets all that often. And when I do interact On Chain, it's with a passport as my cold storage wallet with Sparrow.
So it's kind of, like, difficult to to to recommend one that I use regularly. But I guess if I was pushed, it'd probably say Ashigara just because it's so feature rich and, you know, has the the kind of samurai legacy there so that you've got all of the additional spending tools in there as well. Good question. I like that one. Okay, Seth, this one comes back over to you and it comes from Quidion on Nosta. And he said, can you walk through the privacy trade off of gift cards And additional to what's on chain in the show notes, visible only to me, there is some follow-up questions, but I'll let you hit the the first one first, just at a high level kind of what the loose trade offs are of gift cards. And, obviously, if you wanna apply this strictly to to Cape Pay, feel free to do so because, obviously, you're you're most well versed in that.
[00:44:41] Unknown:
Yeah. So it kinda depends on who you're caring about privacy from. Specifically, I know the question says, does a merchant know you bought this gift card with crypto? And the answer is no. The the merchant or the person who the gift card actually can be redeemed at doesn't learn anything about who purchased the card or where they purchased it. It's coming from an upstream supplier through cake through Cake Pay. We're the ones taking crypto. There's no kinda upstream relation of this info. So you do gain very good privacy from the merchant. They just know you're a gift card user. They don't they don't have any information about where specifically you come from. Now it's not like there's some cryptographic, like, privacy here. So in theory, like, you you could link back if you if all of the entities talk together, you could link back from gift card to crypto payment, because all that information did happen at some point. So, like, it is theoretically possible to link those things.
But normally, the merchant doesn't know anything, not even that you paid with crypto, much less who you are. So it does have good kind of, you can kind of say it's like VPN style privacy, where you're just trusting all the entities not to log. And thankfully, in this instance, you're also trusting them not to collude because you would need to collude between the upstream supplier, Cake Pay themselves, and the merchant to get any kind of idea of how the payment of how the gift card was purchased. And then, obviously, the icing on top is if you're paying with something like Lightning or Monero, we don't know anything about even your financial activity, much less your identity. So it does have very good privacy in general there.
[00:46:15] Unknown:
Yeah. A couple of follow-up questions. He said, does Cake Pay and Bitrefill work the same, or are there any differences?
[00:46:22] Unknown:
They're essentially the same. I would say Cake Pay, we generally have a much larger selection, but our redemption process isn't quite as smooth as bit refills. Obviously, we're working to improve that. And the bit refill have a much smaller selection, especially when it comes to debit cards. But they've really honed their redemption process. It's super, super slick. Like, kudos to them. They've done a really good job with that. But under the hood, it's essentially the same. And then I can quickly answer the last one too. Why does CakePay refuse torque connections? So, unfortunately, I don't know if it's because we're in the Monero ecosystem or just something that everyone experiences, but we we are basically always under massive DDoS attacks, usually via the Tor network. Not always, but usually via the Tor network.
So we have to implement some DDoS protection that blocks Tor exit nodes, most of the time. It's a it's an unfortunate downside of people using a really good tool like Tor to do bad things. And if we don't block Tor exit nodes, we have downtime for everybody else. So, unfortunately, there's not really a workaround for that. The other, like, main thing I'll say is that especially with the debit cards doing that over Tor or VPN, there are a lot of problems with it. And we'll we'll make people check boxes to say that they're not using VPN or Tor when they go to redeem them. Because, again, they're very strict from a regulatory perspective on where people actually are, and the cards actually only work in specific jurisdictions. So people circumventing those those geo restrictions with a VPN will just end up hurting themselves more than it will hurt anybody else. So that's like a side thing, but the main reason why sometimes you can't use Cake Pay at all over Tor is because it probably means it doesn't probably mean it definitely means that we're undergoing a major DDoS attack and having to limit to our access as a result of that.
[00:48:12] Unknown:
Alright. Appreciate that one. We've got a question in the Nostal Live chat from Remnant, and he said, do we need more smaller conferences focused on circular economy issues and growth? I would say yes. However, the problem is that those aren't very sexy topics, and they don't sell many tickets, which is why you don't see as many, of them around the globe as as maybe we would like. With that said, you know, there are there are a couple of good ones. I know, the one I've just been to in Madrid was a much smaller affair, and there was some great, sort of similar topics discussed, at that conference. And, you know, there's probably no more than a couple of thousand people at that conference. But, yeah, I'd I'd love to see more stuff like that, particularly talking about grassroots stuff. But, unfortunately, the the main demographic of Bitcoin is kind of likes to go and hear, you know, the usual, talking heads, give a presentation about how Bitcoin is, you know, a digital battery, or a mycelium or something like that. Unfortunately, that's what, that's what gets clicks and that's what, sells tickets. So, we we do find ourselves in the minority, but, guys, is there any, alternative, or similar conferences that cover this type of topic that you guys have are aware of or have been to that we could recommend?
[00:49:31] Unknown:
I would say, Lake Satoshi is one where they've always got people not necessarily doing the talks, but who will discuss this type of stuff. And they've got, like, real grassroots people who really actually use Bitcoin and trade and all that kind of stuff. And then, BTC, the what's the Bitcoin one in Wales? I'm blanking now. With Dragon
[00:49:55] Unknown:
The Bitcoin retreat. Doing the
[00:49:56] Unknown:
The Bitcoin retreat. That had some really good ones. Open Arms did a couple of talks at one of them. They've always they've always sort of leaned more towards privacy and security and stuff. So there are two that I've, I can say are very good for that kind of stuff. And then there are lots of other smaller meetups as well, that will focus on that. We have talked about doing some ungovernable material along with cake and foundation to, to actually have as presentations for some of the meetups. So if people are listening and you run a meetup, please reach out to us.
[00:50:36] Unknown:
Yeah. The only thing I'll just generally add is there's there are a lot of small conferences that are like this, especially if you aren't requiring it to be, like, strictly Bitcoin only. Dark Prague is a really good example. It used to be called it's kind of a reboot of hackers congress, in Prague as the name suggests. And they they've always, like, the the actual place that it's at called second culture, accepts Bitcoin, lightning, Monero, I think, Litecoin as well for everything. And they they heavily push circular economies there. They always have really good talks and discussions around that. Same for Monero Con and Monero Topia. I know it's not Bitcoin, but it's always, all done in Monero. Every merchant accepts Monero.
It's a big push there as well. So you generally have to go smaller if you want that type of thing, but there are some good more cypherpunk smaller conferences throughout the space that that do push this and prioritize people giving talks and workshops and that sort of thing on on actually accepting Bitcoin.
[00:51:34] Unknown:
I think, yeah, that the the to underline that basically is that they they exist. You just because they're much less funded, you just have to kinda keep your ear to the ground in the usual kind of communities to to hear about them because they don't have the the few million in marketing budget that say, you know, the Vegas conference has, which is, you know, everywhere that you look most of the times of the year. So, yeah, maybe, check out the Lake Satoshis is a great one. Get yourself in the mesh the Dell and, get involved there. That would be a a great starting point, and you'll probably hear about many other similar conferences, and get togethers from there as well.
Next question, if I can find it in my list. I don't know whether this was a bit of a loaded question, but I feel like it'll be a good discussion anyway. Some somebody that goes by Superlimina on Nosta, said thoughts on the make freedom profitable presentation from Odell. I hadn't seen this until ten minutes before the show. The quick TLDR about the presentation is basically, it's just Matt talking about what 10:31 does, what some of their, portfolio companies do, and the the need to make kind of profitable businesses that have a good, I guess, a good ethos or that are well aligned with what we would traditionally consider, like, you know, an open and an honest company, so to speak.
I didn't draw issue with anything that he said in there. I I completely aligned with it. And, I, you know, it's good to see some VC capital capital go into some companies that, you know, are about open source, and that are well principled. Because it is an age old difficult problem and that, you know, we all want things to be completely open source, but that sometimes can make monetization quite difficult, particularly if you're not well funded from from an early stage. It can make it difficult for you to compete. But, yeah, the the I completely agree with the principles and everything he talked about in there. And, if we can make profitable companies that are truly open source and that support, the ethos, then I'm I'm all for it. I I have no disagreement there. You know, clearly foundation are well, aligned with that. Everybody at the team is, and I know Cake, does exactly the same. Everything that they produce is is completely open source as well. So we're we're kind of, preaching to the choir here a little bit. But, hopefully that answers your question. Guys, I don't know whether you've seen the presentation or not. If you haven't and you've got nothing to add, just let me know.
[00:54:02] Unknown:
Nope.
[00:54:06] Unknown:
Nay. But I agree with I agree with your, your thoughts on it generally. We need to figure out a way to make these things profitable without ruining the ethos, which is a hard hard line to
[00:54:16] Unknown:
correct. Certainly is. Alright. I'm gonna make this the last question for the show. And it comes from Sage Empire, and they ask, what is the biggest privacy mistake people make when trying to protect their privacy online? I will go first here while you guys have a quick think. And the the the most common thing I see is that people just try and do too much too quickly, get burnt out and just think, oh, fuck it. It's not even worth trying. So they'll go for, you know, they'll switch to the Tor browser. They'll get they'll get a Graphene phone. They'll, try to go no KYC for all of their Bitcoin purchases and Monero purchases.
And, they'll quickly get bogged down because doing all of that in in one kind of fell swoop is quite a steep learning curve depending on where your you know, how your background looks. So I would say that would be the the most common pitfall. So what I would say is just take slow steps. Seek the advice of people who've kind of done this thing before, because, you can kind of take a little bit of a shortcut there and learn from the mistakes that that I'm sure we've all made on this call, very similar to to the one I've just mentioned. Pick one, maybe two topics or areas that you want to improve.
Maybe do like a bit of a prioritise it price prioritisation exercise first and foremost to deem, you know, where you might see your biggest privacy pitfalls. And just focus on one or two in the first instance. Get comfortable with those, make those, kind of your run of the mill thing so that it's not so much of a mental burden for you and then move on to the next thing. Because the truth of the matter is, like, it never ends. There's always new tools. There's always new hurdles to get over. So, trying to take on everything immediately is gonna lead to, a quick downfall and you getting very frustrated very, very quickly.
[00:56:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Agreed. I would also say email reuse is a big one, which, like, maybe people don't think about a lot. Like, you're signing up for newsletters, and you're signing up for services, and your email's all over the place. That that's, not ideal and it's an easy one to fix. And then what would you want, I guess? Sorry. Just to dive in. Quick quick advice then. What would you say as a as a quick fix? What would you recommend to people in that scenario? Well, the most simple one if you're running something, you know, you've got, like, a Mac or something like that and you're using their mail service, they actually have the, option to just generate, new emails for everything. Everything you sign up for, it will do I can't what it's called, Like, hide my email, I think it is.
So you can just create hide my emails and at least then it's not using the same one. That's the simple way, or you can do it in Proton. I think they limit you though, don't they, Proton, to like is it 20 emails you can make? Or
[00:57:05] Unknown:
I don't think it's, like addresses you can use, but they have, email aliases via SimpleLogin now. I think even the free plan has a reasonable amount.
[00:57:14] Unknown:
Okay. So, yeah, that would be a good one.
[00:57:17] Unknown:
Okay. Nice. Alright. So, just in the interest of time, just hand it over to Seth before we sign off.
[00:57:23] Unknown:
Yeah. I think, a big one for me, and this maybe isn't the main audience, but maybe something to keep in mind, is a lot of people in the privacy space are, like, very anti crypto, anti Bitcoin because they have, like, a broken conception of what it was back in the day and aren't willing to come around to it. And if you don't have the financial privacy piece or even just the financial pseudonymity piece that, like, basic Bitcoin usage can give you, a lot of the other stuff falls apart very quickly. So I think just remembering that that piece is important, but also just one piece of the whole.
[00:57:52] Unknown:
Yeah. Good point. It's easy to forget when Mhmm. You're in this space that a lot of people just don't use it or, yeah, just sort of, like, do all the other steps and VPNs and everything, and then you you give over your account details. And
[00:58:07] Unknown:
Yeah. And does it quickly.
[00:58:09] Unknown:
Yes. Indeed. Indeed. Alright, guys. That brings us to the end of the hour already flown by as always. Thank you to everybody in the live chat. Thank you to everybody that presubmitted your questions. Apologies to, those that did presubmit the questions and didn't get those answered. Your question will be added to the backlog. So keep your ear to the ground for future shows because, we will be pulling those from, from the backlog list, to answer and make sure that you do not get forgotten about. This has been fun. Thank you very much for stopping by, and, we will see you for more of the same at the same time next week. And don't forget to, stick around and watch Max's awesome outro video. Have a good one, guys.
[00:58:58] Unknown:
Thank you for listening to Freedom Tech Friday. To everyone who boosted, asked questions, and participated in the show, we appreciate you all. Make sure to join us next week on Friday at 9AM EST and 2PM London. Thanks to Seth, Max, and Q for keeping it ungovernable. And thank you to Cake Wallet, Foundation, and my NIM box for keeping the Ungovernable Misfits going. Make sure to check out ungovernablemisfits.com to see mister Crown's incredible skills and artwork. Listen to the other shows in the feed to hear Kareem's world class editing skills.
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INTRO
Top Boost from Last Week
Kick Off
Debate: Cashu Added Fork of Signal
Nostr and BTCPay Zaps
Underrated Bitcoin Tech: BIP39, BIP85, and accounts
Can eCash Help Spend KYC Coins Privately?
Where Did Bitcoin Gift Cards Go? Azteco, Fold, DIY Options
Privacy Tools in Wallets: Whirlpool in Cake
Aqua Dolphin Virtual Card: Limits, KYC, and Acceptance
Silent Payments 101 and Current Support
Favourite Mobile Wallets: BTC and LN
Gift Card Privacy: Merchants, Tor, and DDoS Realities
Do We Need More Grassroots Conferences?
VC and Open Source: Thoughts on Make Freedom Profitable Talk
Biggest Privacy Mistakes and Practical First Steps
Wrap-Up
