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Welcome to the The Confab, the term derives from "confidential talk", which was commonly used in the Prohibition Era for meetings and conversations that took place in the smoky, rule-breaking speakeasies of that time.

The informal, privacy focused and clandestine nature of Ungovernable Misfits lends itself to these discussions.  So, grab a seat and a stiff drink from the concealed bar, listen and revel in the conversation.

We welcome friend of the show Barnminer back for an episode of the Confag. Barn and Max talk about mining setups, beef jerky, classic cars, monero and lightning.

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(00:00:00) INTRO

(00:00:41) BOOSTS

(00:04:23) THANK YOU FOUNDATION

(00:05:12) THANK YOU CAKE WALLET

(00:06:07) Welcome to the Confag

(00:09:48) The Pleb Builds

(00:12:18) The Barn Mine

(00:17:34) Smashing Meat

(00:23:21) I'll Get Anchovies with That

(00:26:23) My Friends Call Me a Shitcoiner

(00:28:52) "Lightning Shit"

(00:37:04) For the Birds

(00:41:14) Car Talk

(00:49:52) Working at the Altair

(00:52:53) Mining Geopolitics

(00:56:31) Cumpiss Mining

(00:59:27) Smoke Cigarettes with Us

(01:02:50) Eggs Make Me Nauseous

(01:07:12) It's Been Great Catching Up

(01:13:07) The Lonely Goatherd

[00:00:04] Unknown:

Bitcoin   is close to becoming worthless.   Bitcoin.   Now what's the Bitcoin?  

[00:00:19] Unknown:

Bitcoin's like rat poison.   Yeah.  

[00:00:22] Unknown:

Oh. The greatest scam in history.  

[00:00:25] Unknown:

Let's get it.  

[00:00:27] Unknown:

Bitcoin will go to fucking zero.  

[00:00:42] Unknown:

Welcome back to another Comfav episode. I'm afraid you have me back for this one, and I'm joined by   Barn Miner.   A big thank you to John for covering the last episode with Booberry. He absolutely nailed it. I loved that episode. If you haven't checked it out, go back and have a listen and see some of the cool things that people are doing with podcasting two point o and live music.   This is gonna be a quick intro because I've gotta run out the door, but I just wanna say a huge thank you to all the people who boosted the last episode,   Chad Farrow with 51,025   sats.  

Thanks for having Boobury on to talk about the upcoming satellite spotlight.   We have a blast putting these on, and it shows what v for v can do when you build in the open and just let people contribute time, talent, and treasure.   John, thanks for my name drops during this episode.   I've been supporting you guys for years, and y'all never let me down. If you guys want to take your podcasting two point o game to the next level or just improve your setup or workflow,   we're here to help in any way possible. Thanks, guys. Thank you, mate. I appreciate that. We're always looking to improve, so, that would definitely be useful.   And thank you for the SATs and the support.  

John with 21,420   SATs had a lot of fun with this one. He did. I could tell.   Rod Palmer from the Viewhorn News with 21,000.   Entropy.   Hashtag forty hours per week.   Late stage Huddle with 15,000.   Seems I forgot to boost last episode. Keep up the good work. With all the giggling on this episode, I thought these two boys were about to announce their engagement.   Ash Power Music. Oobre is on with ungovernable misfits, question mark.   Say it ain't so.   If you buy into the whole Bitcoin ethos, then apply it to all the things. Talking about self sovereignty,   value for value music, this is part of the revolution.  

Make sure you tune into the satellite spotlight on the fifth of the tenth.   Bit punk FM is typing.   He's giving up Chippendale's   for the sprouting   symphonies, everyone.   Digital Panhandler with 2,222   sats,   Mothman boost.   Chad Farrow again with a thousand sats. We all have mad respect for the fountain guys.   Frankie Payne and myself are actually each doing fountain radio takeovers to promote this show. It's about using whatever app works best for you. I'm using fountain right now, so this gets posted on Nosta just like I use CurioCaster,   Ellen Beats, Podverse,   Castomatic, and Podcast Guru to do other things.  

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And thank you also to Cas Peland,   Pleb to Polymath, and Sats Misfit for streaming.   We appreciate everyone who's streaming and boosting SATS. Thank you so much,   and a quick thank you also to the show sponsors.   If you want the best hardware in the space,   beautifully designed,   fully open source,   fuckwit resistant. It's so simple that even I can use it without any issues.   And q and a on that team, making sure that you stay private and secure, you have to check out Foundation.   It's foundation.xyz.   You can get a discount if you use the code ungovernable,   and I promise you, you will not be disappointed.  

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Bye.  

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Here he is.  

[00:06:09] Unknown:

I can hear you. Do I sound wonderful?   Everything's working. That's amazing.   Except for I had the wrong browser at first. You had some sort of super private something that wasn't working? No. It was just, the   Firefox   thingy. What's it called? Libra wolf. I guess it's super secret. Yeah. I think it only works on,  

[00:06:31] Unknown:

Yeah. Chrome. Chrome based. Crap. Yeah. Pretty much. Well, welcome to the confag as you've,  

[00:06:37] Unknown:

renamed it. Renamed. Yeah. I like to rename things. It's fun.  

[00:06:42] Unknown:

It's quite good, actually.  

[00:06:43] Unknown:

I saw that and laughed really hard. Yeah.   I clicked it.  

[00:06:49] Unknown:

We might just keep that one. I quite like it.   So you're,   hiding away somewhere  

[00:06:55] Unknown:

in a abandoned office or something. Is that right? Yeah. It's pretty much abandoned. It's got electricity, air conditioned, Internet, but it does not have running water. So Okay. If I we do have to break, I might have to run outside.  

[00:07:07] Unknown:

That's alright. Or just piss in a bottle. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't I thought about that, but I didn't bring one. I got a cup. Keep it classy. That's what I do so I don't have to leave the mic. You're probably, you're probably chatting to me, and I'll just be pissing in a bottle. You'll be none the wiser. What's that noise?  

[00:07:24] Unknown:

I'm recording in a bathroom, actually, at the moment. That's great. There's no school today, and, so I left. I escaped. For some reason, they have the day off. I have no idea what fake holiday it is. It's one of those churchy ones that John would be all over and tell us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He would get angry at me. Is it Christmas? Yeah. But they don't call it they don't call it,   a religious day off. It's some other they re renamed everything. Oh, okay. It's got some other name. Trans rights for cats. Yeah. Probably.   How long has it been since you came on? Gosh. I don't know. A long time?  

I guess   maybe the beginning of the pleb minor stuff   would be my guess. Probably a couple years.  

[00:08:05] Unknown:

Yeah. I'm trying to think how 02/2003,   it must be. Yeah. 2022  

[00:08:10] Unknown:

or 2023.   I don't even know. I was trying to think of that myself. I don't know. It's been a long time.  

[00:08:16] Unknown:

Yeah. I think it's probably three years.  

[00:08:19] Unknown:

That was good times. I loved that plug miner, like, whole month. That was fun. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm using the microphone I purchased especially just for that month. Really? It's like the second time I've used it.  

[00:08:30] Unknown:

What, what mic is it? It's the little blue Yeti. Yeah. That's what I use. Yeah. That's what you recommended that we buy. Yeah. It's pretty good. I know you can go and get those really expensive Shure ones or whatever they are and  

[00:08:43] Unknown:

all this stuff, but it seems to do the job okay. It's like a hundred quid. Yeah. I really had it. I wish we could do I wish Sarah picked up. I know that things got busy, but we did some recordings with kids on mining, and that was fun to be able to do that with my daughter.   And I enjoyed doing that. I think we used we used this mic then too. It was just fun trying to trying to record stuff with her, and she would giggle, and then I would I just couldn't stop laughing. Do you still have the recordings or not? Yeah. I think somewhere. John probably got them. He's the record keeper.   Well, John will be listening to this, so he can let us know. Because if we still have them, it'd be quite fun. Yeah. I'd like to do some more with her too. Like, a Yeah. That's follow-up too because, you know, she's she's well, both of the girls, I have two daughters. They both help do the the jerky biz, so they've learned a little bit about at least they get to, you know, earn Bitcoin,   and they don't spend it so much. They do try they do try to spend it. I don't let them lose it. To huddle it. Yeah. Even though I I'm the big spender guy. But I'm like, no. You need to hold your Bitcoin.  



[00:09:39] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't listen to daddy. Do it differently. Yeah.  

[00:09:44] Unknown:

Do what I say, not what I do. That's right. Min John talk about that month a lot, actually.  

[00:09:49] Unknown:

We wanna get more back into   the pleb builds and people who are doing innovative things. Because, obviously, we've got the mining show, and we go into, like, news and all sorts of things. But I don't know. Maybe it's, like, since the shit ax has hit the scene, and it's kind of changed the way that home miners are, like, dipping their toes in. Or maybe it's just that we're not covering it enough, but it seemed like at that time, I was, like, really excited. I was like, oh my god. There's this guy who's, like, heating his pool with it, and there's someone else who's thinking about building it into,   boilers. And there's, like, all this stuff that was, like, kicking off.  



[00:10:24] Unknown:

And then now I feel like I don't see so much of that. Yeah. It's still occurring. It's just I I guess there's just not as much yeah. You're I think that it's been blinded by the the shit axe or bid axe phenomenon.   It's still going on. I I mean, there's people I I think that that during that time period, a lot of innovation started, and it still continued. It's just not as I don't know. You're just not seeing it in the, I guess, in the Twitter news as as often or as much. I think it's getting buried. It's happening. Yeah. There's been guys, you know, just in our group, what they've gone on to build. I mean, look at Schnitzel and Mhmm. Pastures people building and incorporating into their houses and Travis. And, I mean, it's just a a load of a lot of those are you know, those guys in that first group, they've gone to build a lot of stuff. So I think it would be good to have a recap month. It'd be pretty sweet to see where where where are we now? Is that what is that what they do? Yeah. Definitely. Or or even just, like, each time that we record, we sort of, like, do a highlight on what someone's doing with their build and kind of make that a bit more of a feature again. Because to be honest with you, like, some of the biggest stuff where it's like, oh, you know, which mining pool has got an extra 5% hash rate and where it's dropped and stuff, like,  

[00:11:33] Unknown:

I don't find that as interesting. Like, not that it No. Doesn't matter, but it's not as personal. Like, when you know that a human being has taken their time and resources and, like, built something that's really cool and different, and they've designed this thing, and then it has a use for them and their family. Like, for me, that's really interesting.   That's the most interesting part about mining. And if that is being suppressed   on Twitter and everywhere else, and it's you know, I don't really hear it talks about anywhere else. I kind of think, like, that's what drew me into thinking about mining and caring about mining. I'd imagine it would be the same for others. It's just it's not as interesting being like, oh, yeah. I've got this much hash. Where is it? I was in a warehouse. Like, okay. Cool. No. Definitely not. We'll bring that back.   Yeah. And then so some people   maybe haven't listened to the,   first episode that we did because it's so long ago. We got a lot of new listeners. Do you wanna do, like, a little recap on Man, I I I don't even know what we talked about. It's been so long.  

I do   roughly. I can take roughly.   No. No. I don't have notes. I don't know what episode number is, but I just sort of vaguely remember.   I think you'd set up a load of minors in your barn, and I think you were just about to move them up into, like, a loft area that you were insulating.  

[00:12:52] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's where you were at. I think you were just doing some changes in there. Yes. There's been a lot of changes in the barn. It's it's still going. There's quite a bit. I I built it out into a loft. I've added   air circulation,   heat recirculation   to deal with humidity.   It's pretty much done. And then I've slowly moved some miners up   to Georgia where I have a buddy's got a a small farm and a candy mine, we call it. Because they literally make they make candy there. And we've set that and built that out, and that was a a fun project.   And the barn mine is still going, still hashing. It got its own transformer after we blew up the transformer   in the neighborhood.  

So they decided to run me one for free, which was nice of them. Got a commercial rate. And rates have been up and down, and it's been rough. It's been tough. You know, getting rich doing it, but it's it's been fun. I've learned a lot. I've been able to use that knowledge to finally get myself one of them Bitcoin jobs, Bitcoiner jobs. You know? Yeah. Looking  

[00:13:52] Unknown:

for. Well, you've actually got a Bitcoin. We'll get into it in a minute, but you've got a Bitcoin a job that I have some respect for. The majority of the Bitcoin of jobs that people are in are   really comfy.   I just you're like, what are you what are you doing? Bitcoin? Oh, yeah. I work for this exchange. Yeah. What's the least cypherpunk thing that I can possibly think of as, that's what you do. Whereas what you guys are doing is proper I don't know. Like, I'd call it a proper business.   You're actually delivering   something that people need that actually   has a use, and there's no, like, wankiness or bullshit around it. It's just like, we deliver you something you need. We do it well. We look after you, and that's it. And we take your money, and you get what you want. Like, there's so much other bullshit in between   that's just so gross and so, like, the antithesis of  

[00:14:43] Unknown:

what I'm here for and John and you and many others that listen to the show. Yeah. And that's what I I like about the mesh to del type group that John and you created. It it's just a group of people   building things and trading and and and commerce.  

[00:14:56] Unknown:

I think it's pretty sweet. It's it's things that you need, not that not that they're your advertising that you need to buy. Yeah. I guess you just sort of settle in with the types of people who think the same way because it's like Yep. It's boring trying to go to war with, you know, like, trying to explain to the thousandth person why they shouldn't KYC themselves and,   you know, why it's not criminal to care about privacy and why they should consider spending their Bitcoin and using these tools and stuff. It's like, you could do that and go to war for the rest of your life, or you could just sort of   find your type of people and then interact with them. And I think   after a few years of doing battle, you're just like, fuck this.  

Yeah.  

[00:15:37] Unknown:

You just Hey, YC. Yourself. To go hang out with your people. Yeah. Exactly. If somebody comes and asks asks for help, then you can help them. You can be welcome to come in or just not not   evangelizing things anymore.   Exactly.  

[00:15:51] Unknown:

So with your, with your barn, you're saying you had, like, some humidity issues. I think I remember now as well, you were just about to fit a huge fan, like, at the back. I think you're doing, like, a cutout.  

[00:16:04] Unknown:

Yes. Yeah. There's now two fans in there because we got the extra service. We got the own transformer. It's 400 amps, so it's maybe 20 machines depending on how many 21 machines you could probably squeeze in there. Okay. We added another exhaust fan.   I've never maxed it out. I wanted to I wanted to just put as much as I can on that transformer just because they undersized it. Mhmm. And I really, really wanted to blow it up and see it catch fire. I just haven't gotten there yet.   I just remember when they were they were sizing it up, and they're like, oh, well, we're gonna put a 50 k w. And I think that the math comes out to, like, 77 kilowatts if I was to put everything on there. Mhmm. And I was like, you've undersized this. Oh, no. We didn't. It can it can run hot. And I was like, I really wanted to push it, push the limits. I just just hadn't gotten to it. So you can have that lovely. I told you so.   Yeah. I just hadn't. I hadn't done it. One of the things maybe I'll just borrow. I'll borrow some from somebody for the weekend.  



[00:17:06] Unknown:

And and I told you so is the sweetest when it's like, you don't seem like you're doing as I told you so. Like, you do a bit more of a subtle one.   That's nicest. You know, if it's like, if I can told you, and   then it just gets that back up. That's that's not as good. It's where it's the subtlety comes in, and they're like, fuck. He did tell us so. Damn it. Yeah. There's damn accredited engineer boys.   So, yeah. So you went from doing that,   you were doing your Fiat work.   And then   you   did you start the jerky before you went to Altair?  

[00:17:48] Unknown:

Yes. I started doing jerky 2023,   actually.   Just shortly I think probably shortly after we talked,   And it's still a hobby. Still doing it about once a month, sometimes twice a month. Mhmm.  

[00:18:03] Unknown:

Yeah. So you you start into something fun. Yeah. It's turned into something really big. Like, there's so many people that I speak to. Who was that? I was oh,   I was chatting to Seth for privacy   the other day, and he was like, fuck.   I've got a real problem with this barn miner guy. And I was like, really? Like, I know he's a bit of a cunt, but what's he done? He's like, oh, I'm gonna have to spend all my Monero with this guy now because I'm on this paleo thing or, like, some diet, and this is, like, the best food. Like, it tastes so good, and I'm just eating it all the time as a snack. And I was like, yeah. I hear that a lot. Like, everyone who's actually got it, q and a obviously stole mine that'll come.   But, everyone who's got it in their hands has just said like, yeah, this stuff's really good,   which is,   you know, like   when you're talking about spending Bitcoin,   you want it, we want people to like live on this. And like, if you can buy stuff that you eat and consume and, like, the family can enjoy and stuff is and you know then that someone's actually   making it and, like, caring about doing it properly, that's fucking cool to me. Yeah. It's it's been great. It it would  

[00:19:09] Unknown:

be ideal to do it full time, but if you're getting into permissions and and silliness,   we're going through all the the same mechanism to to try to see   you know, to to do it properly is   it's a full time gig. So it's just not something I'm ready to commit to yet.  

[00:19:26] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, does it presumably, it works quite nicely. Like, whatever you do   whatever you do that feels at the start like a hobby and like, oh my god. I'm earning some money like doing my hobby. If you push that too far out and it's too much of a percentage of your income,   then it stops being a hobby and stops being as fun. Like, I've found that with Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Art. When I used to paint and it was just for me, it was the most fun. And then people started buying my paintings, and I started being like, oh, I can, like, live off this and, like, do and then it starts to be like,   your brain changes, and it's like, oh, this is work now. And then it's suddenly, like, not as fun. So maybe there's, like, a sweet spot of, like,   you have a couple of these side gig things that are, like, kind of fun, and then you have, like, a a normal job that's like your job job.  



[00:20:16] Unknown:

Yeah. I I think you lose your passion if you start depending on   you yeah. Exactly. I mean, lose is fun when if you're passionate about it. I think you do it when you feel like doing it   or doing it for the reward that's not necessarily monetary.   Yeah. And I think that your mentality does change.  

[00:20:33] Unknown:

Yeah. Definitely.   And with the jerky stuff,   have you sort of thought about expanding it out in terms of, like, weirdly, I was thinking, can you do, like,  

[00:20:44] Unknown:

gator jerky and stuff like that? Can you do that kind of thing? You could. I'd have to go go shoot it or find it, which would you do   once in a while.  

[00:20:54] Unknown:

I haven't made jerky with it yet, though. That's what I was because I was thinking, I remember.  

[00:20:59] Unknown:

We were looking at somebody was wanting to the guy that I get my beef from is looking into doing beef sticks, which is another whole new process.   And he's got we're back to the not fun thing. He's got I don't know. He's like, I could probably sell 500 pounds a month. And I'm like, oh,   that's too much.   That doesn't sound like that sounds like working.  

[00:21:19] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think so.   Those beef sticks are pretty good. They like, a lot of South Africans eat them,   like, all this, like, built on and stuff. I went to school with a lot of South Africans and,   like, they just fucking ate this stuff. Like, everyone else was eating crisps,   and they were just eating all this, like,   jerky and,   built on and stuff, like, all the time, these meat sticks all the time. And they were always built like brick shit houses.   Like, I swear that is that is why just because they that was their snacks. Like, as kids, they're just fucking smashing meat.  

[00:21:58] Unknown:

Yeah. Smash me. Is that what you just said? Yeah.  

[00:22:01] Unknown:

Do you know what? I just I was like, oh, that came out wrong. Hopefully, he doesn't realize that that's a pregnant pause there. Yeah. I was like, fuck's sake.   But, yeah, I think it does. Like, it's,   having that for, like, the whole family to be able to eat and,   like, being able to have that and know, like, how it's made as well. Like, everything   everything is just, like, full of bullshit. Like, everything all this snacks and stuff that people are eating is just shit.   It's, like, one of the only snacks. Like, you can just carry it around and eat it anywhere, and it's, like, pretty healthy.  

[00:22:42] Unknown:

Yeah. Throw it in a bag, take it with you. It's usually good about a month or so   and post it out on the wherever you're at. It's pretty portable.  

[00:22:50] Unknown:

Especially with, like, everyone who's trying to do their carnival stuff and stuff like that. Like, whenever I've done carnival, I've really struggled if you're out and about, it's like, fucking,   what the hell am I gonna eat here? Like, if you go into any shop,   like, when I was in The UK, yeah. They would sometimes some places sell built on, but it'd be like   £8.50   for like a bag of dust, like a tiny little, like a couple of little shreds and it's like mainly dust and you're like,   fucking almost might as well not bother.   And outside of that, it's like, what do I eat here? Like you could like go and get a tin of tuna or something like that and like eat that like a savage in the car, but   some crackers.  

Yeah. It's like, it's really, it's really tough. Can of anchovies.   Oh, yeah. God, those are horrible.   Some people love those things. Oh, my missus loves them on, on pizza.  

[00:23:46] Unknown:

That's terrible.  

[00:23:47] Unknown:

Yeah. Like, if we if we ordered a pizza, I'd be like, oh, yeah. I have pepperoni pizza. And she'd be like, oh, yeah. Get anchovies. I'm like, oh, for fuck's sake. I I normally like terrible. Yeah. I will accept it and just pick them off because I quite like salt. So I'm like, I can sort of, like, get away with the saltiness, but, yeah, I'm not a fan of anchovies.  

[00:24:06] Unknown:

Yeah. I don't even know if you can order those here. I guess you can.   I used to work at a pizza place when I was, like, 16, and I don't think we ever had it. We worked at I worked at Domino's, which still exists. Still garbage pizza.   Mhmm. But I don't even think they had they offered that. I'm sure that, like, the real pizza places do.  

[00:24:24] Unknown:

Well, I can't imagine that Florida has that sort of stuff. It's a bit too refined.   You know what I mean? Like, if you were like, oh, can I have capers or anchovies  

[00:24:32] Unknown:

or, like, some type of vegetable? I'd imagine they wouldn't know what it was. Yeah. They might they might yell at you and hang up, hang up the phone.  

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I've never made it to Florida. I've got some friends who live there,   and I'm, like, potentially moving there soon. So I've I've, like, consider it. But Oh, you'll have to go visit them.   Yeah. I might come and annoy you as well if I do that.  

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Yeah. It's nice and warm here. That's for sure. Yeah. It's about, it's either summer or winter for two weeks, and that's about it. Actually, it's been kinda cool this this year. But,  

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What's the, what's the average temperature there?   I have no idea hot. Don't even tell me what it is. Right now. Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say, you use that,  

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the different type. What is it? You use Fahrenheit The Fahrenheit. The the the yeah. Fahrenheit. The the only the only real temperature.  

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Yeah. Every time I'm speaking to John and we're, like, talking about something to do with temperature, he's like, oh, how hot? And I'm like, Oh, it's this. And he's like, I don't know what the fuck that is.  

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Yeah. We we don't know we don't know what British temperatures mean. Yeah. Neither of us understand each other. It's hot.  

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Yeah. So,   Jerky,   you've   sort of   spread that to all corners of, Twitter and Nostra and everywhere. Like, it seems to be a pretty known thing now, your jerky.  

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Yeah. We and we try to smuggle it into different countries too, which we've been able to to infiltrate The UK and then, the Canadians.   Yeah. We're working on Mexico soon.  

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Oh, that's nice. It's like a like a switcheroo. You're now trying to get across the border the other way.  

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Mhmm.   Yeah. It's harder   though. Is it? You gotta hide it in the suitcase. You can't just ship it.  

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And accepting   shit coins for it as well, which is pretty disgusting.  

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Yeah. Monero is a pretty good tool since I I've loved lightning for all these years,   and and it's it's made me made me lose lots and lots of sats over the years. It frustrates.   And I found something that actually works well.   I always enjoy your winches. So we're gonna go with it.  

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I enjoy your winches with lightning because it's one of those, like, lightning sometimes feels like, you know, someone has, like, a really ugly kid   or like, and they like try and defend it. It's like, oh, it's so beautiful. It's so lovely. And like everyone like pretends that it's not fuck ugly.   Like, and that it shits on the floor and stuff.  

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They still invite him to all the parties too. Yeah.  

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And everyone's like, oh, they're great. They're so awesome.   That's what it feels like to me. It's like, it is like the retarded child that shits on the floor and everyone   fawns over it.   It just doesn't work half the time. Like, I know I'm not that technical. No. And it's frustrating.  

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You you know,   the the I'd say 50%,   probably half of people use it when they buy off the the pay server.   So, I mean, it's a necessary evil as as far as if you're trying to sells   sell anything. And I get it. The fee market the fee market's high,   then you're screwed. You can't go on chain. But, Monero just works better. And and and the Monero guys like to spend their Monero.   They do. You know? Yeah.   Yeah. You're gonna you're offering you're having it shipped somewhere, so you might have some address or PO box that's you know, I I get the privacy retardism. Like, oh, you're gonna pay over with privacy Monero and then give me an address, which is is kinda silly. But you're still I mean, you're still I I can't look at your history. I can't see where you spent that Monero before, you know, like you were on chain. So   and my reasoning is it works well. It's easy.  

And people use it.   Well, that's a lot of money. I take US dollars peer to peer. So Oh, no. You don't.  

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That's a proper shit coin. I didn't know you did that. That's horrible.   We've never,   degraded ourselves to that level of ungovernable misfits.  

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Yeah. I don't take visa, but I'll take the paper.  

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Fair enough. Oh, you take cash. No way you pay.   Yeah. Oh, cash is great. Like we would take that if we could, but it was just, I don't know how we would logistically do that.  

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Yeah. You can mail an envelope. I don't know.   Okay. It doesn't sound good.  

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No, it doesn't sound good. Yeah. Like with the lightning stuff it's,   I understand why people,   I understand why people use it to pay   if there isn't another option.   Like if I was choosing on chain or lightning for a payment and I want it to be private,   I would probably use lightning, especially for, for small stuff.   Unless like I had a UTXO that was the right sort of size. And I knew the history of it wasn't gonna dox me and all this sort of stuff, then then I would probably still use on chain. Because, like,   I don't know. Like, I've I've   I'm not the most technical, obviously. Like, everyone knows that, but   I,   I've just had loads of fucking problems with it.  

Like even when I'm properly set up and I'm using my node and it's connected to Zeus and like, I might go and make a payment. I'm like, oh, that works. It just doesn't work.  

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It just doesn't work.  

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Sock error, this error, that error. I'm like, it doesn't nothing means anything to me, but   I, like, I used it yesterday. I haven't changed anything. Making a fucking payment doesn't work.   The other day I was trying to show I was using like coin cards or one of these services to buy like Amazon,   gift cards.   I was like, said to my missus, I look at this. This is quite cool. Let me just show you lightning. Like, I don't know why I thought it. I was like, I'm just gonna show you. I was like, look, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna scan this. And literally one second, it's gonna go bang   and we're gonna have a fucking gift card. And I was like, I'm doing this from my own node over torn. She's like, yeah. Yeah. I don't care. I couldn't fucking care less, mate. I'm like, bang. And then it goes sock error such as whatever error, and I'm like, oh, you can't. And then I tried it, like, another 10 times. Yeah. You look like president Trump ordering a cheeseburger. Right? You have to have someone else take it from you.  

Yeah. It's fucking embarrassing.   Then I had to, like, send it from that to a custodial wallet and then ping it from there. I was like, oh, that works.  

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And ten minutes later,   three blocks have gone by.  

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It's fucking so stupid.   And that's why, like,   starting the Monero monthly show was I just started using it more out of frustration.   And I think a lot of people are doing this. And it's like, I kind of see it as, like, it's lightning, but it works because it's so cheap anyway to use.   But you have custody   and it just works.   A lot of the maxi types get really fucking annoyed by that. But Oh, yeah. They love it. They get really pissed off, but it's like, well,   if it works,   I don't understand the   the ideal one would be I've said this to Seth and, like, I'm hoping that he builds it, is you have a Monero wallet,   and then you can scan a QR code that's a lightning QR code, and it will do a swap on the back end, like, through truck door or one of these sort of services that will go Monero to lightning and pay it, but it in a seamless way of so you can just keep your Monero wallet. You can have your cake wallet or whatever. Scan that lightning QR, and it will just do it because a lot of places don't accept Monero.  

And then maybe the lightning lovers will be like, oh, that's kind of a useful tool then. Like, then maybe they could see it that way of, like, oh, it's coming into our ecosystem, so n g u and, you know, blah blah blah and all that shit. That might be like a middle ground where, like, you or I could be quite happy to use a tool where we actually hold the keys and it's not custodial, but we can still Yeah. You're not you're not throwing down money for channels or paying for channel management and all that all that silly  

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silly stuff that goes along with, you know, the layer two, whatever, you know, application crap.   I tell you what, it works it works well if you pay to have it on some fancy server somewhere,   and I I've had success with that. But when you're running on a pi, it sucks. You're running on   a start nine that you built, you know, with some spare parts, it's not gonna work as well. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I I pay more. I wish if I had the ability to add a I I don't you know, when you use those wallets in your phone, the node wallet phones, whatever the hell they are, you know, the Zeus version or the Yeah. Phoenix, you know, they charge the hell out of you. And you're you're I mean, you gotta pay your I get it. You have to pay somebody to handle that for you, but why why should you? Yeah. But it costs me more money as a as a retailer   to accept it. Just, you know, it's almost like I should charge a 2% surcharge if you're using land just because I gotta I gotta pay to maintain all the stupid channels and crap and deal with it. Even if we take the channel management out of it, I think for ungovernable, I pay,  

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I wanna say about $40   a month or $45   a month for like hosting  

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of lightning shit. And Yeah. Yeah. We use a similar similar tool. And, yeah, it's, like, $35 a month. But, you know, one time I had   this is weird. I I don't I'm not technical enough to understand it. But at one time, one of the channels I had opened with somebody, whoever it was, there was gossip. It's like I guess they call it gossip where they're yapping back and forth to each other, and my bandwidth went went crazy on the Luna node for several months. And I couldn't figure out why the bill was, like, $50.75   bucks because I exceeded   bandwidth or some bullshit. I was like, what the fuck? What is going on here? Because as soon as I closed that channel, it went away. It was weird. Mhmm. But it it was yeah. So now I've got it down to a respectable monthly monthly cost. I think it's about the same. But that was a really weird scenario. But it's it's still a lot of money. Like, obviously, $35, 40 dollars. Like, in the grand scheme of things isn't massive. But if you're running a small shop  

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and you're only making a few sales and your margins are already low. Yeah. What's the point? Yeah. Well, also with us, it's like I buy all my stock of shirts and stuff in Bitcoin.   Generally, as you hold it, the price of Bitcoin goes up over time. You're often in a position where it's like you've got your markup. You haven't marked it up too much to be. Mhmm.   The price of Bitcoin doubles, and you're like, oh, I lose on everything Yep. Before you start thinking about hosting and then hosting BTCPay   and   and all that shit. And then, like, the odd one that doesn't arrive, and then you've got pay. All of that stuff. It's like so, actually,   these sort of things do matter. And when I'm getting my Monero payments, my hosting is zero, and it works. So that's why I look at it and just go, yeah. Like, I've added that as a tool. I don't use that many tools. I'm not like a   super technical person, but, like, using Monero on Cake Wallet,   using Bitcoin on chain, occasionally dipping in and out of lightning, but generally hosted because it's a fucking pain in the ass. Mhmm. And, like, working this janky work around with the occasional swap and stuff to keep some privacy   now that we don't have Whirlpool.  

That's what pushed me into it. I was so comfortable with my setup of, like, on chain   into Whirlpool.   I can open a lightning channel if I wanted to.   I had my passport. I had my samurai wallet, and I had my post mix. And I was like, I don't really need to get any more fancy than this. Like, this is this is great. And then once those guys got arrested and Whirlpool went down,   everyone else was just, like, on Bitcoin Twitter not fucking talking about it, larping around, using fucking wallet of Satoshi   pissing around in El Salvador buying food in some market stall and thinking they're changing the world on a fucking custodial lightning thing and clapping like a cunt.  

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I thought, no. This is not right. And then I saw what the Monero guys were doing. I was like, oh, this is cool. I like your ethos. Yeah. I guess two years ago, I I would have been pissed at myself if I would have thought about it. But Yeah. My mentality has changed quite a bit. I I I guess, you know, probably two years ago, I probably would have been very angry with somebody else and been like, oh, I'm not buying from you. Yeah. Yeah. But it just makes sense. Everything every everything that you went through, mentally, I did too.  

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The ethos of the average person in Monero is what I was experiencing   from the groups that I first got into with Bitcoin. Because I was lucky because I kind of fell in with, like, the samurai group and, like, q and a and, like, diverter and all these guys who are, like, hardcore on that side. So I was like, oh, this is what Bitcoin is like. This is Bitcoin. This is fucking cool.   And it's like,   now, I don't know. Maybe it's just what comes through, but I kind of feel, like, awkward even saying, oh, yeah. I'm involved in Bitcoin when I see that kind of stuff. Feels very   larpy,   VC,   suit y.  



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It's very different. Very, very different. It is. I I've equated I think I equate Bitcoin now to, like, high school. It's just a bunch of high school clicks.   Yeah. That's what it seems like now.  

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That's a good way of saying it, actually. What are we then? Are we like the sort of gothy nerdy?  

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Yes. Yeah. Like the little rate you know, like, back in my back in my day,   was grunge rockers or or the, you know,   the the guys that wore, like, the combat boots and chain wallets and stuff. Those guys smoked cigarettes.   Those guys. That's probably us. That's kinda cool. I don't mind being that. That's what I was doing in high school anyway. Wearing all the chains. You have your Doc Martens and, yeah, your chain wallet.  

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That's cool. Yeah. Long hair. Without, like,   aging myself too much, but, like, went through the skater phase. I went through, like, a bit of, like, a wannabe gangster,  

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little, like, wearing a backwards hat, like, oversized. Like a British winker? Is that what what they called it? Winkers? Is that what they were? Yeah. Wankers or cunts or  

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any of those, really. All of them, really. Went through different stages, did a bit of the skating stuff that was fucking terrible at it, gave up on that. I can barely get on one of those. I don't know how Baselow does that. He's he's an old man. He could still kick flip. He's pretty pretty impressive. It's actually really hard.  

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Yeah. I can barely even stand on one.   He's like, come on, man. Let's go. Let's go skating every time we go somewhere. I got my board. I'm like, he's like, come record me. I'm like, dude, I don't wanna go watch you skate around.   We're   in Miami. He's come on. Let's go to Lot 11 or whatever it's called. So I did go out there. I recorded them one time. But then he wants to go every day. I'm like, I love you, but no.  

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No.   Do you like that I got rid of the bird sounds for you? Because you were whinging. I kinda liked them, though, to be honest. Oh, for fuck's sake. You were whinging it. You didn't like them because you're like, oh, fucking bird noises. And then John was messaging me. He was like, yeah. I don't like those fucking bird noises. It's gay. I'm like, oh, for god's sake. Fine. So here's a story. Yeah. So for the people  

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that are listening,   I had my stereo was broken, which I thought it was, but apparently, somebody just hit a button on it. And I turned it on, and I was like, oh, I was about to listen to you and q.   Mhmm. And I fired it up in Dolby Five Point One from 02/2002,   my my hi fi stereo.   And I hear all these birds tweeting like you're like, I'm outside.   It sounds like I was outside.   The quality was good.  

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Well, okay. Maybe I'll go back to it then because all I've had is grief from it. I was like, it was really nice because I was just sat on a balcony, and I was like, this is nice. Get a bit of a breeze. And then I just got, like, you sending a long message with a life story about, like, going on a walk and hearing birds. And so I was like, fucking it. And then, yeah, John as well. And then someone else on, on Twitter was like, oh, yeah. You're gonna be able to be doxed by the different bird noises because someone's gonna know what type of geolocated  

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by birds, regional   birds. For fuck's sake. You've already been doxed by now.  

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I actually don't think that's gonna be the case. But, yeah, like, maybe I'll record different birds and then have that playing  

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over the top of the craft. And really, like, fuck. Maybe I've already done it. Who knows? Yeah. Possibly. That's what I was thinking. I was wondering if you're getting that crafty. You never know. You threw in three or four birds from different regions of the world. Yeah. CIA is just really confused.  

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What's going on? Where is this guy? You get pigeons   everywhere.   I don't think there's anywhere in the entire world that doesn't have pigeons. Yeah. Maybe like in Ars Ar Arctica or something.   Isn't that where all the aliens are? I I I wouldn't know. Over the ice wall? Probably you're underneath it. One of the two. Heard that one. The ice wall? No. No. There's a ice wall somewhere. Is it on the flat Earth?   Yeah. You've got flat Earth, and then you've got, like, different   rings or sections of it. So you sort of go over I can't remember the names, but, like, you've got one ring and then you there's the ice wall that goes all the way around that, which is being hidden by the government. And then behind that is, like,   Antaria   or, like, a different it's, like, a different world, and that's where, like, yeah, different aliens. I think you might have dinosaurs still there and all that kind of stuff. So I've never visited it. Like a place I'd like to go. Yeah. It sounds pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to go. If you wanna go Elon  

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Yeah. Elon could take us there one day. What's your thoughts on Elon? Oh, he's a great supervillain. I love the guy. I'm not a fan of the cars   because of the, I don't know, the grift.   I just I I like it's been interesting to see how he, at first, was saving the planet, and now he's just evil, horrible bad man. So I think that's kinda what I like about him. Yeah. It's quite funny. I've never,  

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like, trusted him. I've always felt like   you could be   the perfect supervillain.   I've always felt like a bit,   how much of this is an act and how much you know what I mean? Like, how much is,  

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He's just like a trendier cooler Bill Gates, I think.  

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I mean, much fucking cooler. Like, Bill Gates is, like, the nerdiest company. Less hair sniffing and yeah. Yeah. I'd definitely like to have a drink with Elon. Like, I feel like he's probably quite fun. Yeah. You could hang out with him, I think.  

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I think so. And his cars are good. They're just Yeah. They are good. But I guess now they're now they're cool. I guess I don't know. Before, they weren't cool. Now they are, in my opinion, because Mhmm.   The people that used to like them don't like them. I think that's what makes them cooler. It's so funny when you see, like, the  

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the videos of people like, I used to own this Tesla, and now I fucking hate it. You're like, you're still paying the payments on it. You come. I'm just not driving it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not driving it. I bought a gas car now, and you're like, you just They they they recorded their last video in their Tesla, but it's still sitting in their driveway. Yeah. They have to record their video while they're in the car screaming and everything. I think it's a must. That's a classic. We had a Tesla,   and I really liked it, actually. It was my missus car, but it was really good. The only thing with it was,   it's fucking annoying, the charging.  

There'll be times where you're like, oh, shit. I just wanna chuck some diesel in here, and then you couldn't go. Or, like, there wasn't a charging station.   You'd be going down the motorway, and you're like, fuck. We're really low, and we're running low. Yeah. You have to plan your trips. Yeah. You're like, oh, shit. I've gotta come off the motorway and then double back on myself and go 10 miles that way and then go and charge, and that takes half an hour. It's it, like, just adds this extra layer of, like, if you if it's an unplanned trip, it's fucking annoying.   And the other thing is the interiors on them. If you're used to, like if you like spending because Teslas are not cheap. If you're spending decent money on it, you get into a Tesla.  

And I was always like, why is everything feel so shit in here? Like, it's everything's, like, fake plastic shit. Nothing, like, fits right. It's not like a German car of the same value. If you buy, like, a Mercedes or a Audi or a BM, like, you know, it's like hand hand stitched seats and steering wheel and all that.   Yeah. Everything feels   proper and good, and you close the door and it sounds, like, proper and it's, like, closed.   The paint is good. On the Tesla,   you put it through a car wash, all the paint starts flaking off. The paint was so thin, like, it would just, like, flake off. It was fucking terrible.   But as a car, like, to drive,   really, I couldn't fault it. Like, it was really fucking good. Instant power. It was fun to drive.  

Yeah. It was a decent thing.  

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Yeah. Those things are fast. I got the doctor friend. He just bought, I don't know, the new super duper two second one, and it literally will go zero to 60 like a motorcycle, which is insane to me. It's fucking yeah. You like, it proper throws you back. And then because it's silent, it's even weirder. When you're on a mote bike and you, like, doing those sorts of things Yeah. You can hear it and feel it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a like a roller coaster boost.   They're pretty wild. I I think they're cool. I'd never purchased one if somebody gave me one. I drive it. I think the the trucks are kinda cool looking. They're they're they're ugly looking, but they are kinda cool. They're kinda cool, and they're bulletproof, which is quite cool. The sweet spot would be taking  

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classic   cars and actually have, like, nice interiors and stuff and then retrofitting them, like, when an engine blows or something goes wrong, like retrofitting   a four wheel drive. I had this idea.  

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My my father left me a model, a '19 I have a 1924   model t. Right? Oh, I've seen it. Yes. Beautiful. Yeah.   And,   I was wondering. I was like, man, I put a battery in this thing? Probably fall apart. That's a problem. Mine, and then he'd probably come back from the grave and honk me if I did that. Oh, he'd be so upset. Yeah. He'd be so pissed. I think that's probably sacrilege. I think there's a level of, like, that's  

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the most classic of classic cars.  

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Like, I feel like that's such a piece of history that may be Oh, it is. Absolutely. Too far. It was the first it was one of the last years. I think they stopped that model at '20 because that was the first   mass production one. They stopped that model in '27.   This was with a four door, f o r d o o r or d o r e. I can't remember the spelling. But it has four doors. But you have to be, like, under a hundred I don't know how gangsters drove in them because you have to be fairly thin to to fit up in there. Because it's so small? Yeah. The steering wheel is right up in your gut. So if you've got a big belly, you're just you're not you're not gonna drive it. Or you could I guess you'd have to modify the seat. People were smaller than no one, no? Yeah. Probably.  

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Everyone was thinner back then. Like, you didn't have the fat fat fatties.  

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It just wasn't a thing. But it's it's a hell of a thing to drive, though. It has three pedals,   two gear shifters,   spark advance, and then throttle. Spark advance and the throttle is in the steering call. What's so small? You need it's like the timing of the spark. Oh, okay. To it's like driving a helicopter. You have to have three feet and two hands two or three hands.   And how do you start it? Is it that crank thing at the front? It does have a it's it's it's got the crank. I've never used it, just because I'm lazy. I have a it came with the automatic start that year, and that was the option that was on there. So you can press this, like, little button, you know, fire up. Oh, that's like what they have now. Yeah. Yeah. It's on the floorboard. You use your heel instead of   the push button on your finger.  

Yeah. Even even back then. Is it fun to drive? Not at all. It's scary because it doesn't start very well. Yeah. It sucks. It it   some I was trying to learn how to drive it and some old guy that had one came to my house to help teach me because you need a new class.   I was like, it doesn't stop. He's like, no, no, no. I was like, the brakes don't work. He's like, no, that's just how they are. He's like, you just can't stop.   I was like, oh, that's great. So I don't I only drive it early in the morning, so I don't run no one's around. Yeah. And will you just keep that forever? Yeah. That's what I I I you know, I don't know what else to do with it. I don't wanna sell it. No. Especially when it's I gotta keep it running. It hasn't been running lately, so I have to work on it and get it fired up. But just drive around the block, take it when I'm when I'm retired, I'll take it, you know, to the old man car shows, I guess. Mhmm.  

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Yeah. It's a nice thing to do. I'd like to have some classic cars, but when I've had them previously,  

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it's such a fucking pain in the ass, like, keeping them Yeah. They're a lot of work. They take up space. Like, it's taken half my garage.   Yeah.   Stuff starts to get piled up around it, then I have to take everything out and clean the garage.  

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That's why those,   like, the retrofitted   have you seen, like, this,   Singer nine elevens?   No. I'd have to look it up. Oh my god. If you've got a phone in your hand or something that you can look, just type in, like, Singer, s I n g e r, nine eleven, and they take, like, these classic nine elevens, and then Oh, yeah. That's the shell. It's fucking they put, like, Cosworth engines with, like, 400 brake horsepower in them. Everything Yeah. They make it fast. Yeah. They make it properly fast, and then everything's, like, hand built and hand stitched and, like, they're, like, quarter of a million quid, though. They're fucking expensive. But, like, when you think about a classic car, you've got the beauty of a classic car. I think there's another one that do,   Eagle.  

They do the,   oh, what are they called? They do the   Jaguar e types,   e type Eagle. So they take the old e type and then rebuild it and, like, modernize it. So it still looks like a classic,  

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but it, like, drives like you'd want it to. Those things are fucking cool. Yeah. I like the older Jags. Those are nice, but they're clunky and they break a lot. I had a my stepfather had one of those. It was sweet to ride in. It just would never work. The e type? I don't remember what it was. It was probably nineties.   I don't know. They're beautiful cars. Not so much now, but, like, back in the day, there was some fucking beautiful Jags. Yeah. I think our dealership here went under. Now they just sell all kinds of crap. It's not even Jag.  

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They sort of went through a phase where no one redrove them. It was like an old man's car. They'd come with the mahogany wood and all that kind of stuff, and, like, no one was really buying them. Yeah. Everybody wanted plastic.   Yeah. They're like, oh, we don't want mahogany. This doesn't look like a Tesla. Yeah. Give us some plastic shit, please.   And talking of building stuff,   obviously, now you've moved across   to Altair.  

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It seems like you guys are building some pretty cool shit there. Yeah. He's got a lot of things going on. One of the bigger sellers, I think, that   the Loki board, the Bombsta board, which has allowed   people to kinda repurpose their Antminers for a 20   volt.   And in The Americas, we use the one twenty two forty.   Yeah. In your house, you have one twenty volt, and you can't run a typical ASIC in there. And plus, they're loud as hell.   And if you're married, you can't, you know, you can't have a screaming you on your in your house.   So the Urlocker has been a pretty pretty popular   home mining product.  

And then that's kinda kinda built from there. And then Avril created the bit chimney,   which came out. So, you know, then now now Kanan's come on board with their with their home mining line, which is The Avril one. I got the FUI. The FUI. And then the mini the mini FUI. A stretch of coffees.   They do get hot, you know, but what sucks about them is they continue. Even though they're not hatching, they're still hot.   So they're doing fake work even if they're not connected to the Internet. It's kinda cheesy.  

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Yeah. So Avril is,   a tinkerer.   He builds shit.  

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He does. He's like the mad scientist guy that   that sits in his garage creating stuff.   But I think he he does a great job of of marketing to the home liner. He's not   what I like about him is he kinda gets there and he does his work and he makes cool stuff. And Mhmm. It's kinda I guess we kinda kicked it off. We, you you know, you we're talking about people that feel this is kinda similar to you, have similar thoughts. Wasn't anything I was looking for at the time, but we just kinda bumped into each other, and he needed help. And Mhmm. I thought it was a good fit. And,   it's been about actually, I think next month will be a year. Been working with him. Yeah. It must be refreshing.  



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He's the opposite of what I normally see. Like, he has all the ability,   and he actually does cool shit and runs a really tight ship and does things right, but just, like, doesn't talk about it. He just   does. He doesn't squawk,   which is really refreshing.  

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Yeah. He does. He just kinda keeps it quiet and makes cool stuff.  

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Yeah. And ships properly. I was shocked when he sent me those shitaxes. I was like,   can you get them into The UK? Like, how long is that gonna take? Is there gonna be customs? Is there gonna be this?  

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And then, like, two days later, like, it was there. You had it. Yep. Yeah. We ship around the world. Every once in a while, something will get hung up somewhere, but, he makes it right. I think what'll be interesting now with all the tariff talk   is, you know, part of the Altair's gig is you it's already imported in there. A lot of a lot of guys are just drop shipping from Hong Kong or China Mhmm. Yeah. With the potential of getting things getting hung up. And his business model's always been it's in stock in The US. And I think that's that's an advantage if you're you're looking for something right away. Yeah. So what's gonna happen with all of that? Like, I I don't really follow  

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it. There's but presumably   if everything's coming in from China and there's all this tariff talk, like,   suddenly then ASICS could get really expensive   and, like,   you only have so much stock that you've got in, you eventually run out. You're not making the chips in America.   Like, what the fuck happens there?  

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Yeah. I I don't know. I think a lot of it is part you know, the art of the deal with Trump, you know, coming huffing and puffing to get people at the at the table.   And we've seen things change over the last few weeks. You know, it's gonna be double this, and now it's back to normal. And   Mhmm. There's a lot of uncertainty. I don't know the answer, but I think   a lot of the ASIC brokers   have imported some you know, they they did plan ahead and import some some hardware in, but I don't know when that dwindles down what happens.   It'll be interesting to see,   and you can't prepare for that. And you can't hold too much stock. Yeah. Exactly. How much do you wanna spend?  



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I suppose if it really like, if he did go and put, like, crazy tariffs   from China,   presumably, a lot of it will stay over that side or won't come into America.  

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Yeah. I don't know where it would go. I guess maybe maybe it'd go to Russia or UAE or somewhere.   A lot of stuff going on there. So maybe that'll   I mean, I I think there's a lot of hash rate in The States, so it probably wouldn't be that bad to see that dwindle, you know, market share from other continents.   That's true. Everybody whines about, you know, Antpool and Antpool this and that, but look at the geographical distribution,   you know, not just   with your pool. One swift of the pen and and, you know, what is it? Sixty one zero nine, all the all the all the miners here. A lot of it's in Texas, isn't it? Yep. If something happened there They're 6102.   Sorry. Not o nine.  



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They stole all the gold. Do you remember sixty one zero two, the account   that you see on Twitter?   No. Maybe if I saw saw something. It was such a great I remember, like, early days when I first got involved,   Twitter account that was just sixty one zero two. They were very much on the privacy side and, like, full warning about everything that's sort of going on now.   And they were just, like, such a good resource. And then one day, they just went away.   Poof. Yep. They were one of the best accounts.   Yeah. They were really good. But, yes, like,   with having all that hash rate in The US,   people  

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cheer for it because it's in their country and then sort of, like, overlook the fact that that could be an attack. Yeah. It's a huge attack surface. Right? It's big. I don't know what the number is, but they say 40% is what I've what I've read, but who who the hell? Nobody knows. Nobody really knows.  

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Yeah. It would be good to see it distribute. When you say there's big moves happening in The UAE, you sort of privy to stuff that  

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I just hear, you know, people,   you know, their stock their when you see ASIC brokers listing stuff, they they have stock in Russia, Russian stock, which I don't think we can order from. But,   I've talked to a lot of people doing projects out there, and we've had people reach out to us for consulting out there. Mhmm. And it just sounds like there's a lot   lot going on. There's a lot of money out there too. Right?   Fucking too long. There is. Lots of oil money. What else do you do with all that? Well, yeah. I don't know. You could you could buy Bitcoin miners. Yeah. And if you've got the oil, you've got the energy, it would make sense  

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to be doing it. Yeah. Why the hell wouldn't you? I'm sure they are. Like, you know, we're saying, oh, we we think x amount of hash rate is in The US, but who really knows and blah blah blah. It just makes sense that, like,   Russia and UAE and these other places, like, have just got a fuckload of minors, and they are running, but they're just not telling anyone. Because that would get Yeah. Well, ask ask all the Compass customers too  

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They get all their stupid shit stolen.  

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Like, Russia got a bunch of free hardware. They did. I didn't actually get involved in that particular rug pull. Mine was just like a general Compass,  

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rug pull. Yeah. There's a lot of dirty old stories about that, and I was one that's that's how I got my gig. You know, my start too. I got luckily, I got out without getting scorched too bad  

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back in the original days, but they're still it's amazing to see how they they're still around. Yeah. I that is, like, the one of the most shocking ones that they're still around. Like, I cannot believe it. They did so many people dirty, and there was, like, no   no remorse.   They knew what was going on because I knew people who were on the inside who were, like, they said They absolutely did. Yeah. This is all And now they're bigger and badder than ever.  

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I don't I don't understand that. It's fucking weird. Developing their own sites and that they're they're the whole gamut now. It's gross.  

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Like, anyone who listens to this show knows not to go near them. I think one of them was like, oh, yeah. It'd be really good. Like, we can come on the podcast and learn, like, saying to John, like, you know, we should come on and, like, we know that we've made mistakes, but and John's like I can do that. Fuck. Oh, thank you. No fucking chance. You coming coming on our show, you comes.  

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Yeah. It's amazing to see how how successful they still are. I I don't get it either. They got deep pockets,   and they're robbing Peter to pay Paul.  

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Yeah.   And, also, like, I think it's easy to discount how many new   people come in. Like, why don't you suckers.   The   suckers are born every minute. Right? You know, they're probably sponsoring some podcasts that have, like, massive listener numbers who just don't care   pulling people in that way. We're in such a small little bubble.   Our little, like, mesh to Dell, pleb minor,   ungovernor, misfit, like,   tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny. And, yeah, we Yeah. We just don't have that reach to tell everybody not to fuck with them. Not yet. We're working on it. I think it's always gonna be niche to some extent because just like the average person, if they just drop in,   they're just I don't know.  

I don't think there's much getting around the fact that the majority of people who come into Bitcoin   will just be coming in   for the NGU.   Yeah. And, you know, like I did and most people did, and it takes time then to be like, oh, this isn't just cool because of that. It's cool because of these other things. And then and then you find your little groups, whether that's like   or   whether it's the privacy side or, you know, whatever whatever, like, bit you go into. Yeah. Whatever your your high school click is.   Exactly.  

If you're one of the cool kids or, like, whatever,   you generally come in because it's like,   oh, like, I can make money. And if you're coming in for that, then you're gonna have some   pod or someone who's gonna be like, yeah. Use Compass, man. Like, you know, you can make so much money and, like, shilling a load of bullshit,   and they're gonna get rugged and then they're gonna learn. And then maybe they come and like smoke some cigarettes with us.  

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Yep.  

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Let me turn to the dark side. One can hope   in mining generally, like it's still tough out there. It is.  

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I mean, nothing's getting any cheaper. Right? Energy is getting more expensive   in most places. It's it's   it's tough in my locally at my in my barn anyway.   Mhmm. I'm beholden to the energy gods and what they wanna charge every six months.   So, I mean, there's pretty much long stints. Bear market was rough.   If I'm breakeven or a little below breakeven, that's the goal in the barn.   It's just a way to trade   electrons for Bitcoin.   Mhmm. It's kind of the graveyard now. It's tough.  

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It's not like the glamorous  

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oh, yeah. I'm like falling over my money. Yeah. Falling over with mad sats. I I think the guys that win are are the tinkerers, you know, the ones that are, you know, that have all the e waste laying around their house like crazy Carl,   boiling his rabbits and and seed oil bag bags, you know,   and warm seed oil instead of those guys, I think,   the innovation's amazing with with these tinkers. So I think   the only way that I'm not one of the guys that's like, yeah, and he's sick in every toaster. We're gonna have him everywhere. I think that's silly. They even possibly imagine or think that. But I think that there'll always be   a a home miner. There's always gonna be one of those tinker guys running stuff. They're not gonna make a million bucks, but you're gonna learn something. You're gonna Yeah. Take something away, and you'll have to reuse heat or or, you know Mhmm. Double spend on the electricity. That's the only way that you kinda survive eventually.  



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Yeah. I liked Carl's   I think he'd got, like, an old dishwasher   that had broken.   He'd fitted, like, a pipe into that with an ASIC running   so that it was heating that area, and then he was putting his bud in there to, like, dry that out. Dry it. Yeah. And I was like, that's really fucking innovative. That's cool.  

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Yeah. I send him   every now and then, I I bribe him. You know, we'd trade. We barter   either jerky or or mining parts   for him to do his wild projects. So it's been it's been fun to watch everything he does. I don't know. You know, he did a summary recently of,   what I've done over the last year. And I think if you looked at everything that guy did, it's if you could probably put 10 of us together and still not equal   all all the innovative  

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stuff he's done. Yeah. Yeah. That's really cool. I had him on   fairly recently, and, a friend of mine was doing the editing for it. Anyway, he edited it. He was like, fuck. That guy's cool.   Because he'd, like, listen to him. He said, fuck. That guy's cool. And I was like, yeah. I'll send you some links of, some pictures of of what he's got set up and Yeah. I spent the next thirty six hours reading about it. Yeah. So interesting. It's so cool.  

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There is still good stuff going on. I wonder what's what his shed looks like. I just imagine, like, this big pile. He calls it e waste. You know? He just got a big pile of hash boards and chassis.   It's not organized in any way, but he knows where everything is. Yeah. And I love the fact, like, the rabbits  

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eat the weed, and he's like, yeah. And then that CBD gets infused into the meat, and then we eat that. Like It's wild. Made his own circle of life ecosystem.  

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Yeah. I tell you what, that maple syrup too is pretty phenomenal. Is it? I'm one of the few that gets it outside of his state, I guess, because he doesn't ship it.   He used to come visit, and, we would barter. He would smuggle me some down.  

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Do you have it it's such a weird American thing that I experienced when I went there. It was like,   maple syrup on bacon.  

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I don't do that, but I know people that do.   Have you tried for meat. Bacon recently?   Recently, I bought some. Have you tried that? It's just basically a brisket sliced.  

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No. I've never tried that. Is it good?  

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Yeah. It was great. It's, like, thick too. It's, you know, it's a piece of brisket. Right? So it's probably imagine a four inch wide piece of bacon. And probably I don't know. Shoot. It's a, like, a quarter inch thick too. Four pieces will fit in, like, a nine by seven.   The big thing now is, like, this thin, horrible, nasty stuff. It's like paper thin.  

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No. And that's not good. No. I mean, people should be shot for that. They should be. And especially as a Brit, like, you know, like, a full English is, like, a a big thing there.   And if you go and you've got these shitty little rashes,   thin, shitty little rashes, it's it's very disappointing. You wanna have, like, thick, decent slice. You wanna have the fat crispy,   but, like, it's meat. It's not, like, crunchy, just like nothing shit.   It really upsets me when I see that. Yeah. It's disturbing.   Have you ever had a full English, like a proper one? No. I haven't. I don't even know what that is, but I know the Canadians do it wrong. They have a piece of ham they call bacon. No. No. No. No. No. A full English would be I've sent pictures to John before, and he was like, oh, that looks quite good, actually. She'd have, like, decent quality sausage   from a farmer, like, not shit, like, decent sausages.  



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You'd have bacon. Yeah. But what's the deal with beans, though? Though? You guys eat beans in the morning? I'm looking at pictures. Yeah. Baked beans. Yeah. That's strange. Oh, delicious. Looks good, though. Black pudding. Is that like blood pudding? Yes. Like, pigs blood  

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is really nice.   Sometimes you can have fried bread. You like get toast and then, like, fry it in butter. What else would you have? I see it in a proper one. Tomatoes and mushrooms.   Yeah. Tomatoes and mushrooms. And what was the other thing like? Not Roshdi potatoes. Give me a nap after you ate that, though. It's a lot of Yeah. It's like a Sunday thing. Right? Because Sunday is late. No? Well, it's like I would eat it on a Sunday, but if you go past, like, a cafe,   if you go early in the morning,   you'll have, like,   every single builder and worker in there just smashing these massive breakfasts,   and then they'll go off and do, like, a hard day's work or, like, relatively hard. Like, most of them are just fucking, like, on their phones with the traffic going outside.  

But, yeah, like, some people will eat that shit every day, but you're gonna turn into a fat disgusting mess if you do that every day. Yeah. Yeah. That will fuck you right up. It looks good. And I'm not a big fan of eggs.  

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They make me nauseous. I'm kinda people yell at me about they think that's weird. I like chickens. I'll collect the eggs. We don't have any chickens anymore. But,   I'm not I'm one of the few that doesn't do eggs. In any way, like, you there's no type of egg. And if it's in, like, a bread, I just can't do a   every once in a while, I have one, you know, in a sandwich or something. I just just I ate a quail egg the other day, which actually was didn't make me nauseous. It was good. Did you have it with celery salt? A Filipino dish.   No. It was in a Filipino dish. It's some kind of a stew type.  



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It was really good. Sounds pretty good. Quail's eggs with celery salt, delicious. Yeah. It wasn't overpowering. I don't know. Something about I don't know. Something about the egg that just doesn't sit with me. Okay. I can't explain it's not nausea, the smell. I think it's more smell than anything. Yeah. I can see that. John eats about 10,000 eggs a day. Yeah. My kids the whole family likes them. I don't know. I still can't get over beans. I I don't think I could do the beans. Everything else looks great. If we have a meat, I'm gonna cook you a a full English. You'll have the beans, and you go, that's fucking delicious. Yeah. You're probably right. It could be right. I promise you. It just goes well with everything else. If you have them on their own and you haven't had them before, you might be like, that's not really for me. But you just have, like, a little bit of the beans, and then you've got, like, the different sauces that we have. Like, you've got daddy sauce, which is like the brown sauce,  

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which is almost like a Worcestershire sauce. Say daddy sauce? That's what they call it. Daddy sauce. Yeah. That sounds Yeah. Daddy sauce. I don't know. It's a little disturbing to me.  

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It's where your brain goes, isn't it?   But, yeah, like, HP sauce,   ketchup.   You can't obviously like, the beans are in, like, a tomatoiness.  

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It's delicious. It's so good. Yeah. I like baked beans. I just never pegged it as a, as a breakfast. Pretty heavy breakfast.  

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Anyone who's tuned into this for their first episode has learned so much about Bitcoin   and NGU.   Oh, yeah. Absolutely. We've really delivered. We've talked about cars.   We've shot on lightning. We said how shit that technology is. We talked about baked beans.  

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Anything else that we cool Monero is now? I don't think so, man. I mean, it's just catching up with fun. It's been a while. Yeah. We've seen a lot of lot of interesting stuff. I think that the and the Mastodon has really grown a lot. I've learned a lot. Changed a lot in the past. You know? Now that I'm a shit coiner out of the closet Yeah. I think that's was the most important thing that we accomplished today is, like, I did come out of the shit coin closet. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was one more thing. You went to,  

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was it Monerotopia or one of those sort of things? I was on Monero Topia recently. Yes. And,  

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that was my coming out Yeah. Party or surprise. That was interesting. I hadn't really I've listened to the show every now and then. It's a long show. Those guys get down for, like, three hours on Monero Talk. It was interesting just to kinda listen because you hop on and listen to them, and then you hop in and you do, like, a little guest spotlight.   So, you know, what I do like about them, there's they're they're kinda mesh, I guess, if that's a word I can make up.   They like to spend and and kinda   kinda do their own thing, which is very mesh to del like.  



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I think some of these guys will start coming into the mesh to del as well. We're getting more and more people who are a bit broader. They're not they're certainly not like the maxi type. You know, the mesh has grown loads, and I think, especially now we've got Monero monthly.   We're both in, like, the sovereign Bitcoin group and and, obviously, mesh and stuff. And there's, like, quite a big crossover.   Probably half of those guys use Monero   because, obviously, it's a more, like, privacy focused thing, and then that bleeds into the mesh to Dell. And   I don't know. Like you said, maybe we're just the kids who are smoking cigarettes at the back and, like, we're not really fitting in so much with,   the VC money and, like, the cool kids who go to, like, the cool parties and all that kind of stuff. But Yeah. It's just the normal people trying to live, trying to use the tools that work best. I think that's what's that's what's special about it. Yeah. And I wanna bring that back to a lot of the pods that I do with John and, like, try and shine some more light on that kind of stuff because   if it's not being seen I don't know. I think, like, maybe some people who are in these other clicks   might be looking over their shoulder a little bit, you know, and being like, fuck. I don't know. It looks like more fun over there.  



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Yeah. It is. Yeah.   You get past all of the,   I don't know, all the nonsense.   Just get down to Yeah. Using tools and  

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making and building stuff. Yeah. Use what works. Well, if you are one of those people and you're over with the cool kids and you're looking over your shoulder and you're thinking, fuck. I wanna go and smoke some cigarettes with these guys. Come join us. Yeah. Come over to the dark side. Reach out to Richard Grieser. He could hook you up with some non KYC cigarettes.  

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That's the way to go. You can buy them with Monero or, yeah,   whatever you need. Exactly.  

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Yeah. Come over for some non KYC SIGs and use the tools and hang out with us.   Good catching up. This was a proper confag,   just two cunts having a chat, but that's what it's supposed to be. So I appreciate you. I like your whinging. I like that I'm not the only one shitting on lightning and nosta and  

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Yeah. There's a lot lot more than you would think of us.   Yeah. But I think you should bring the birds back there every once in a while, maybe once a month. Yeah.  

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Okay. I I like them. I didn't wanna, you know, persuade you not to. Okay. Just pointing out the geolocation thing. What I'll do is I'll maybe just bring them back for the two episodes that I record with John because it really winds him up. That's great. That's a great idea. Do you know what I mean? So it's just like a special treat just for him because it will piss him off. He he will complain about it the whole time. He will complain about it the whole time. He'll complain about it whilst reading through articles. He'll be like, oh, it's putting me off. It's annoying me. And he whinge about that. And then he'll whinge  

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when he listens back to the episode as well. So he'll get, like, a double Double dose? Oh, that's great. That's a great idea. What I'll do. It's the best. It's one of the best things to do is to wind John up. I like getting John angry because he doesn't get angry often. And when he does, you can tell. Oh, yeah. Then, you know, you you've got him. It's very hard to do that,  

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but you can do it. Yeah. It's like really poking the bear. He's like a very calm,   like, literally yogi bear, and then  

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you poke him enough, and he turns grizzly. Yeah. He'll he'll bite the ranger at what it's  

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he'll bite the ranger at some point. There's a level as well because you don't wanna go too far. I actually don't wanna fuck with John. I don't wanna it was just swinging through. So no. Just enough to just, like, bear his teeth, and then you, like, okay. Now I'll back off. It's fun.   Love you, John.   Love you, Barn. Yeah. We do. Yeah. We'll catch up again soon, mate. It's been fun. Alright. Appreciate your time. Thanks, Max.  

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