Two Grumpy Vets and a Duuude

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This week on Two Grumpy Vets and a Duuude, we kick off with real life updates: Rich’s MRI reveals significant shoulder tendon tears, bursitis, and pain management ups and downs, plus Bella the dog’s hilarious water-glass heist. We wander into geeking out on Linux, local AI models, audio workflows, backups, and why permissions matter—complete with a near-disaster Gmail wipe and how he recovered it. From there, we dive into a spirited, good-natured brawl over AI: art quality, “brown and muddy” palettes, hallucinations, summary collapse, and the soul of human-made art. We compare classic works like the De Witt brothers, Raft of the Medusa, and Ivan the Terrible to AI images, and debate what counts as “good art” versus useful tools.

We also hit healthcare headaches in rural Oklahoma, insurance changes, pharmaceutical incentives, and the cost-of-living contrasts with manufacturing abroad. Rounding out the hour: drones and looming DJI restrictions in the U.S., staking Solana on-chain and APY realities, chess at the VA soldiers’ home as a way to give back, and a nostalgic first Christmas tree in decades—complete with vintage bubble lights. We close with value-for-value: share the show, send us feedback, and keep the conversations rolling.
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[00:00:01] Bryan Goodwin:

Hey, man. Hello, and welcome to Two Grumpy Vets and a Duuude, this is a show that each week allows for three friends to get together and live life intentionally.   We do this by throwing a little social commentary   with our own weird sense of humor and our thoughts together   to show folks that living having weekly conversations   is a good way to help   each other out, help men become better men. And so now on with the show with Bryan Rich and the dude.  

[00:00:34] Rich Chelson:

Mister Brian Oh, there we go.  

[00:00:36] Duuude-Ron :

Hello.   How you doing? Doing good, Rich. Johnson.   Awesome. You home? Yep.   Okay. I was kinda wondering. I noticed a difference in your audio.  

[00:00:49] Rich Chelson:

No no no truck noises being edited out?  

[00:00:52] Duuude-Ron :

Well, no. You know, actually, I don't I don't hear the truck noises. Yeah. I know. But that's why my audio quality goes to quack  

[00:00:59] Rich Chelson:

It's because the AI   noise   removal   sound gate, whatever it is they do in Zoom.  

[00:01:08] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, no. You see,   I can tell the difference between your phone and when you're on your   broadcaster.   How?   That's how.   Oh, okay. I mean, it it don't matter. I mean, once it gets done, it all sounds good anyway. But   Right.   But now when we're, you know, when we're actually podcasting,   you know, I can tell the difference.  

[00:01:32] Rich Chelson:

Okay.   So   So   so what's been happening in your world?  

[00:01:38] Duuude-Ron :

Quite a freaking bit.   Really?   Yeah. Quite a yeah. Really.  

[00:01:44] Rich Chelson:

Well, I heard Ron just jump on. So, Ron, you hear to hear you hear ready to hear all about what the world's happening in the land of rich?  

[00:01:52] Unknown:

Well, let's hear let her rip, tater chip.  

[00:01:57] Duuude-Ron :

What's up, dude?  

[00:01:59] Unknown:

What's up?  

[00:02:00] Duuude-Ron :

Well, okay. Check this out.   I got my shot in my neck.   Okay?   Got shot in the neck. Oh. Yeah. I did. I got shot in the neck.   And for about   four days,   almost five,   man, it got I I felt like I was great.   I mean, whole body wise. I I mean, hang level was down to, like, zero, ten near zero.  

[00:02:27] Rich Chelson:

And, You're walking you're walking Bella all over the place.  

[00:02:31] Duuude-Ron :

No.   No.   No. That is one thing I did not do was push it   because,   actually,   say, when when I had this done, what, last week? I don't know. Two weeks ago. Two weeks ago, I think. Something like that. Anyway,   my pains come back,   I mean, not as so much in my neck. I can manage it in my neck.   K. My shoulders, my back,   my hips, and all like that, all the way down.   It's   it's there,   and it's   it hurts,   but it's not screaming hurting.  

[00:03:11] Rich Chelson:

You know what I mean? So it's aching more than it is   sheer pain.  

[00:03:15] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Well, I mean,   I have my days of just sheer pain, and   and   walking's kinda gotten a little hard again. But, you know, it's like, okay.   I found out today   when I had these MRIs done.   Believe   Believe it or not, on both my shoulders,   I have  

[00:03:38] Rich Chelson:

But that's the truth.  

[00:03:39] Duuude-Ron :

I know. Oh. Well, you know, I good. Cool.   I mean, honestly,  

[00:03:44] Rich Chelson:

no. I got I got I had a twin at what time?   I've got Sorry. I've got two holes.  

[00:03:50] Duuude-Ron :

In the tendons.   The main tendons.   Oh, yeah. Work your shoulder.  

[00:03:55] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[00:03:56] Duuude-Ron :

They're not supposed to be there. I wonder if that service related.   Them.  

[00:04:01] Rich Chelson:

I I don't know. I mean, I'm just I mean, double digit now.  

[00:04:06] Duuude-Ron :

It   might be a little bit. So  

[00:04:09] Unknown:

the tendons are what? So the tendons are what?  

[00:04:12] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   in my left shoulder,   I think it's a five millimeter hole,   eight millimeters long. It's almost all the way through.   So so the tendon is is still together,   but it's like there someone drilled a hole right through it.   Okay. Wow. Okay.   And where it come from, I don't know. In my right shoulder,   I've got that same thing, but it's a smaller hole, I think.   K.   On my right shoulder.   I've got I've got bursitis on both shoulders.   My right shoulder,   I've got   because there's I found out there's four main tendons in your shoulders.   Well, in in in my right shoulder, three of the four main tendons   don't like each other.  

They're they're, like, fighting   fighting to make pain.   And then and then and then my bicep   tendon,   which is a first cousin to the shoulder tendons,   this is the way it was explained to me. Okay?  

[00:05:15] Rich Chelson:

K.  

[00:05:16] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. It's it's it's,   being an ass as well.   So so, yeah, my shoulders are   pretty good and messed up.   I mean, they're not So   They're not as bad as some people, but   go ahead, dude.  

[00:05:32] Unknown:

So   the three out of the four tendons   per shoulder   aren't get you said aren't getting along. Are they rubbing on each other? Are they   just   inflamed   so badly that   there's no cushion   in between them, or are they   trying to one's trying to stretch, the other one isn't?   In the right  

[00:06:01] Duuude-Ron :

in the right shoulder.   Well, I've got the holes in both shoulders.   Okay, in the tendon main tendon.   In the right shoulder,   I've got the other two   tendons   that I guess are inflamed or whatnot. They're they're   they're just they're just hating life and basically hating the main tendon for having a hole in it and not doing its full job.   In other words, the tendons have to work more, and they're like, screw you, dude. Mount. Okay.  

[00:06:33] Unknown:

So Well, yeah, doing work that they were   never intended to do.  

[00:06:39] Duuude-Ron :

I guess so. I mean, but so And you said   out today.  

[00:06:45] Unknown:

And you said they're holes. They're not just   big tears?  

[00:06:50] Duuude-Ron :

I've got yeah. Well, the the the main tendons in each arm that has a hole in them, those are tears,   and they're almost all the way through.   So they're like   I mean, he didn't say they were three fourths away through or whatnot. He said, but they're damn near all the way through.   So, I mean, it's it's like   almost like drilling a hole in a piece of wood, right in a smack dab of of a two by four.   That's pretty much basically what it is.   It's the easiest way I can explain it.  

[00:07:21] Rich Chelson:

Okay.  

[00:07:22] Duuude-Ron :

So,   I mean, I mean, the freaking two by four is still there. It's you know, it can still do its job.   It just has a hole in it. Well, that's what I have in   each one of my shoulders. And I have bursitis in both shoulders and few other things, but   so I've gotta go back on the eighteenth   and hopefully   try and get this eased up if I can.   So   I'm gonna try.  

[00:07:50] Unknown:

You know, I think this   this podcast that we've been doing for quite some time is probably going to come   to an abrupt halt here pretty soon.   Why is that? Because we're just gonna have to fucking shoot your ass,   put that horse out to pasture,   shoot it,   and make some glue out there. Yeah. I  

[00:08:11] Rich Chelson:

was gonna say send them off to the glue factory.  

[00:08:15] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right.   And and oh my god, Bella. I swear. That dog.   I I I mean, she is like a little kid and sometimes worse.   Like like the other day,   the other morning   or evening time, whatever.   I had my glass of water sitting in my chair, right, in the cup holder.   And I'm I'm in the kitchen.   I was just standing there for I I don't know what I was doing. I can't remember.   All of a sudden, I heard I heard Bella drinking water.   I'm like, okay. Well, that's cool. You know?   I look over. She's drinking out of my glass   that's in my cupboard. I'm like, woah. Hey.   What the hell are you doing here, girlfriend?  

I was like, oh, hang on. What's up?   And she just looked at me like, what?   I was thirsty.   I was just like, I just I just cracked up laughing.   That's the first time I had ever seen her do that.  

[00:09:15] Rich Chelson:

Caught her drinking out of your cups. Like, dude, you drink out of it. Why can't I?  

[00:09:19] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right. And, yeah, it's just   yeah. It's freaking insane.  

[00:09:24] Unknown:

And she was giving you the look   even though she got caught. It's like,   yeah. I'm gonna drink out of your water because I am entirely   too fucking lazy   to jump down off this chair and take about 15 steps   to my bowl of water. Right. It has water in it.   Yep. Yeah. Do you have ice in that water?  

[00:09:47] Duuude-Ron :

No. I don't.   Okay.  

[00:09:50] Unknown:

So we couldn't attribute that factor   to where you would have to start putting some ice pieces   in her bowl to cool off the water.  

[00:09:59] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I know. Oh, okay.   I mean, it it's I don't know. It just but, yeah, it was I I looked over and just watched her do it, and I'm like, hey. And she sat and turned, looked at me like, what?   What's wrong? What'd I do?   I'm like, no.   And she just looked at me like,   alright. Fine.   I just had to laugh. Oh my god.   Oh, man.  

[00:10:28] Unknown:

And Yep. That's one of those   just   don't get upset. Don't fight the instant.   It's a laughable offense.  

[00:10:39] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah. No. I I And and what you did immediately.  

[00:10:44] Unknown:

And then you whooped brass.   No.   Yeah. No. I was just being facetious.   However,   Brian, how long have we been talking about   Bella's got fuck Bella has   rich   wrapped around her fucking paw. And how long did it take?  

[00:11:03] Rich Chelson:

Well, the Not even a year? Not not a year, but now slowly getting there.   Yeah.   I've only We'll know we'll know it fully happened once, once   he's letting her lay in bed with him.  

[00:11:17] Duuude-Ron :

Well, no. I I told you. I tried that when I first got her, and she chooses not to. So Oh, she'll get there.   No.   No.  

[00:11:27] Unknown:

Is is she still is she still in the kennel at night?  

[00:11:31] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. And it's just Yeah. It's just easier. And and, I mean, shoot. Sometimes,   you know, if I'm sitting in the living room, sometimes   she'll just anymore,   see, she'll just get up and go in her kennel.   I for no And just don't For no reason.  

[00:11:47] Unknown:

And just, what, go to sleep?  

[00:11:50] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Just Okay. Sleep. Lay in there and go to sleep. I'm like, okay.   Or she'll sleep on the couch. Okay. Whatever.   Yeah. Whatever floats your boat, girlfriend. I don't care.   You know, as long as you're giving me some peace and quiet, I'm good.   You know? Because, oh my god, that dog just   goes from the time she gets up and   see, until she crashes.  

[00:12:14] Rich Chelson:

And Oh, yeah.  

[00:12:16] Duuude-Ron :

You know? And it's just like, oh my god. You're wearing me out. You know? By 05:00 at night, I don't wanna go to bed.   But   but and and also   the last couple weeks,   I have spent   besides all this other stuff,   I have   been geeking out like like anything.   I mean, majorly geeking out.   Learning what I can and can't do,   finding shit that I never knew I could do on a computer,   and   doing it all for free.   Right.   In fact,   once I get the audio file for   tonight's podcast,   I believe   I might have a, setup   to where I can stop using Auphonic and still have the same things   Auphonic would give us.  



[00:13:15] Rich Chelson:

Okay.  

[00:13:16] Duuude-Ron :

So   I've been   I've been exploring that. I already have the transcription   side down.   I've got   most of the denoise and everything.   I haven't tried it yet. I'm gonna   I'm gonna make some audio files tomorrow   and,   run it through there   and everything. And if it works just as good with   on in my system   as it does with Auphonic, I'll cancel Auphonic.   I mean, I like Auphonic. I'm not I'm not knocking them. Okay?   But, you know, if I can save a 130   some dollars a year or more,   I'm gonna do it.  

[00:13:54] Unknown:

Well, yeah.   So   A dime's a dime's a dollar's a dollar.   That's right. Whichever one you wanna you know, whichever one you're able to keep in your pocket.  

[00:14:04] Duuude-Ron :

Exactly. And a freaking penny is 5¢ now. No. Yep.   No. It is.  

[00:14:10] Unknown:

It's pretty much. Yep.  

[00:14:12] Duuude-Ron :

But yeah. I know. So so, yeah, I've been I've been,   I've   been I've been playing a lot more in the terminal   and and shit like this, which which I've been I've been believe it or not, I've got   well, I now have   my own   large language model.   That's not on that's not on the Internet.  

[00:14:37] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[00:14:39] Duuude-Ron :

I freaking downloaded it, and I've got, like, two or three different   models   that the newest one I I have is   trained up to August   2024.   The other one I have is trained, I think, December   '23.   Yeah.   And there's another one, and I think it's about in a twenty twenty three year range.   But   you said trained  

[00:15:08] Unknown:

You said trained?  

[00:15:10] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Because, because, AI models   all AI has all large language models have to be trained   to,   you know, figure things out, read the Internet, you know, shit like this.   Okay. Okay.   And and,   I mean, this is what this is what people have been doing for years.   And so this is why when they come out, you know,   you know, some of them they were making major mistakes because they weren't fully trained   or or they were still learning their way. And, I mean, they still make mistakes. I'm not saying they are the end all to be all because they're not.   Okay? But   they've gotten better to the point,   like, for writing code or   researching facts.  

You can go on your phone, type it into,   you know, an AI chatbot,   and ask it questions.   You can even tell it how you want it to answer you. If if you want the AI to answer you in a snarky tone,   it'll do it.   Or or   or if you want the AI to answer you in a calm, warm,   reassuring tone or whatnot,   you know, whatever,   all you gotta do is tell it. This is what I want you to do, and it'll do it.   It's crazy.  

[00:16:35] Unknown:

I mean So when you say  

[00:16:37] Duuude-Ron :

okay. Go ahead. I'm sorry. No. No. No. No. Ask you a question. Go ahead.  

[00:16:42] Unknown:

So you say that these were   trained in 2023   and 2024.   So that means that they were   pretty much got the bugs   worked out of them.  

[00:16:55] Rich Chelson:

Well, they're no. Not really. But but they're working component  

[00:16:59] Unknown:

as of 2023   and 2024.  

[00:17:02] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[00:17:03] Rich Chelson:

And and you see I mean, they're still gonna hallucinate like mad, like like all all the others do. But  

[00:17:10] Duuude-Ron :

I mean, I you see, though, that's the thing, Brian.   I mean,   yes, they will hallucinate,   but I don't think it's on the extreme level that you're thinking of. Well, good way to show that  

[00:17:24] Rich Chelson:

is   go to a, go to a website,   take the,   take an article,   copy it,   and paste it into   even Chad GPT or Grok,   any place like that.   Ask them to do a summary,   and they'll really come out, and they're gonna be pretty good on the summary. They may throw some, some extemporaneous   stuff in there that really in actually in the in the article.   But then   take that summary   and put it back into it and ask it to summarize that   and watch what happens then.  

[00:18:04] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.  

[00:18:05] Rich Chelson:

And that's that's just that's the,   that's the model collapse.  

[00:18:11] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. And and   I won't I won't I won't argue with that because, yes, that can happen, probably does happen.   But   with the way everything's moving, I don't think it happens as much as you think it happens.  

[00:18:25] Rich Chelson:

I think it happens a lot more than you   a lot more than people want to admit.  

[00:18:30] Duuude-Ron :

Well, it might be. I mean,   yeah, it might be, but let me ask you this. Why do you wanna summarize the summarize?   Because the summarize in the first place is to break down an article   to make it easier to read and give you the highlights of the article. Correct? So why would you wanna summarize the summarize? Because  

[00:18:49] Rich Chelson:

that's stupid.   Well,   you think that, but   that's what   that's what people are that's what they're doing nowadays anyhow.  

[00:18:59] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you see, though, you see, that's the thing. Because they're taking they're we're now getting into  

[00:19:05] Rich Chelson:

AI,   ingesting AI, and that's what a summary of the summary of the summary example does.   So all people are going out. They're making they're they're   going to chat g t   all based on this and this and this and this, and they throw it out there.   And now that the AI goes out on the Internet   and searches new stuff, this is the reason why I don't have a form. I was talking for a while about putting the form up on the relaxed mail.   I can't   because all the AI bots have realized that the only place they can get actual   fresh   words   is off of forms.  

And so they were   bringing my website down   because of all the bots that were pounding at the,   at the at the gate trying to get in to see what was available to to adjust.   And so, yeah, their their   AI is   and look at you can look at   AI images,   and, yeah, they start to look a little more, quote, unquote, realistic,   but same time, they're looking really muddy   because they're starting to average out.   What's the main color? Kind of a brown.  

[00:20:22] Duuude-Ron :

Now you see, that's where that's where, actually,   I will disagree with you on that because I've got a   an program   on my computer   that I can spit out   four k quality   pictures   K. Without   very many artifacts, if any.  

[00:20:44] Rich Chelson:

And when you say artifacts, what are you talking about on artifacts?   Like, six fingers on on a hand?  

[00:20:50] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, no. That's fixed. That's fixed.   Yeah. Oh, no. No. No. You better relook into it because  

[00:20:59] Rich Chelson:

do this real quick for me. Let's see let's see what we get.   What happens   if you say you wanna clock   that is that is at 02:10.   What's it gonna produce?  

[00:21:13] Duuude-Ron :

Say that again.  

[00:21:14] Rich Chelson:

Okay. You wanna clock you wanna have an image, a realistic image of a clock that's at two hours   at 02:00, 2PM,   ten minutes past two minutes past two two.   It won't be able to do that because all the clocks no? Yes. It will. Yes. It will. Do it. Dude. Dude.  

[00:21:33] Duuude-Ron :

Have you ever used an have you ever used an image   generating program, which is what AI uses? Yes. And what happens  

[00:21:42] Rich Chelson:

is it's   if you don't do that, more than more than likely,   you're going to get   ten ten minutes 10   because   most   clock images   are ten minutes to ten.   We'll ask them to do a image that is a full glass of wine.   You know what they're gonna do? It's gonna give you the classic   three quarters full   because of what it keeps ingesting.  

[00:22:12] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Hang on.   I'm gonna test your theory right now on a on a web   based   AI. Yeah. Not   not on a program that I have on my computer that I can really control. Right. No. I understand. I understand.   Okay. This is   this is on a web based AI. Hang on a second.   Somehow.  

[00:22:35] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:22:36] Duuude-Ron :

Because all I'm saying is I've done it on a web based.   I've done it on   my local system,   and I get   excellent quality image.  

[00:22:47] Rich Chelson:

Well, they look nice and pretty. But, again, what is the overall   color palette   of that image, especially if it's if it's a web?  

[00:22:57] Duuude-Ron :

Exactly what I tell it to.  

[00:23:00] Rich Chelson:

Yes. Sure.  

[00:23:01] Duuude-Ron :

I'm dead positive, dude.   You you know,   you haven't forgotten. I'm a photographer. I know how to tell colors.  

[00:23:09] Rich Chelson:

Well, I know you know how to tell colors,   but   are you   are you seeing   the actual  

[00:23:17] Unknown:

oh, goddamn, dog. Jesus Christ.  

[00:23:21] Rich Chelson:

Hold   up. I gotta   let's be out of here. Jesus, we won.   So, anyhow,   when it comes to I I understand that you you, you know,   like, when doing colors.   But like Seth, when you look at it,   if you look at most pictures that are coming out these days, they're mostly coming out with a lot   more orange   and brown   than they're doing with reds and blues and and whites, especially whites. Try to find that image with a white background anymore. It's damn near impossible.   An AI image with with that with a white background, I mean.  

[00:24:00] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Hang on. We'll do that one next.   I look. I'm not I'm not I'm not saying AI image generation is is is the bomb or there's not room for improvement or or anything like that. Right. K. What I'm saying is   okay. And and   it's not fixed,   and it's always learning, always growing and stuff because it's all in how it's programmed.   Right. And and   you also have to understand   how people   type in what they want for the picture   Right. Or or the video. So so   you've got   you've got the error side for the programmer,   the developer, then you've got the error side or the learning curve   for us, regular people. Okay? So that's how   these images   aren't   what you expect them to be.  

That's what I'm saying about the whole thing.   I mean, it's still growing. It's still learning, and and, I mean, it's all fairly new. You know, it's, you know, it's just like back in 1995   when they had freaking Internet.  

[00:25:09] Rich Chelson:

Yep. But but, again, the Internet,   it wasn't limited. It wasn't making copies of copies of copies of copies of copies   and having people go around and go, oh, yeah. That's really that's a really great thing.   No. I'm sorry, but AI is helpful,   like, for what you're using it for. You know, using it for for audio editing to to take background   audio out   or to to generate, you know, just a little a little   piece of cover art. No. That's great.   You know, to come up with ideas of topics that you wanna talk about   is great,   but to so many people are now using it for   more than what it's actually meant to be for.  



[00:25:54] Duuude-Ron :

But you see,   that's not the AI's fault.  

[00:25:57] Rich Chelson:

That's our No. I agree. It's it's it's our fault because we have to you know, humans as a whole   are typically   typically very lazy.  

[00:26:08] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Exactly.   And that I mean,   I mean, that that's   that's nothing. You know? I I mean, I won't argue with that on. But yeah. And I I mean, I've   you know, I   I   honestly use it in for well, like, a lot of my scripts   that I've   done to,   you know, tweak my system and all like this.   You know, like the matrix   screensaver   with all the numbers running down? Right.   Yeah. I can run that in my terminal   and then change the colors   and then hit full screen, and it and it just   takes over my screen,   which is pretty Right.   But yeah. It's just I I it's just and and   and that's the thing. You know? I've   I've I've talked to it enough when I ask a question,   it knows exactly how I want the answer.  

Because it it it   it it not only gives me what I need, but it explains and breaks it down   into   terms I can understand   and uses analogies, believe it or not.   And it   and it's made things   a lot easier to   watch me digger.   Do. You know what I mean?  

[00:27:27] Rich Chelson:

Or sort of. Yeah.   I mean, I I don't get I know it's easier to do, like well, I mean, especially with   with automated   task, you know, doing things like find the   find the the unwanted audio that's in a in a   in a in a string   and,   you know, tell me, you you know, remove it.   And for it   to to go off and actually learn, okay. This is the audio that we want. We wanna remove   any music   and noise and and what's not a voice,   and it can do go through and it can do that.  

[00:28:05] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, no. It can do it can do a whole lot more. Oh.   Because, yeah, it can do a whole lot more.   Yeah. But if you go if you were to go through and say remove  

[00:28:17] Rich Chelson:

remove all   of Rich's voice. It would know who Rich is.  

[00:28:23] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. But but   why would you go to that extreme? I mean, what what what would be the  

[00:28:30] Rich Chelson:

Whoop. Point. Say you've got some   say you got tired of of   calling in   and having conversations with us.   Or I said something really super dumb and idiotic, and you were like, you know what? We ain't, I ain't playing this game no more.   I'm out of here. And on top of that, I don't want my voice I don't wanna be a part of this at all.   Remove me from the   remove me from the show. Well, okay. We could remove you from the show. We'd have to end up but to be   the only way we'd really be able to effectively remove you from the show is to actually just go and say,   take down the take down all the shows because   I can go on to Alconic and go remove this person.  



[00:29:15] Duuude-Ron :

Well, no. You can't. I mean, because it's baked into the audio file. So, I mean, why why So is so is the even be an issue or or why Why do we Why would that make you think that that   you couldn't?  

[00:29:30] Rich Chelson:

I I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Okay. But, again, you you just said it it's baked into the audio file. Well, is it background noise baked into the audio file?   Yes.   Yes. So so you're able but, yeah, we're able to remove background noises.   Yeah. Even though it's back even though it is   baked into the audio file.   Right.   So why would we not be able to remove   I mean, theoretically,   it it should be able to remove   Rich, but you would actually end up having to take all the time to   train train the model on going, hey.   When you hear this frequency of this and this sound and this cadence of this particular voice,   that's a rich voice, and we wanna we don't wanna remove a rich voice.  



[00:30:16] Duuude-Ron :

But see, that would still be hard because   my voice, our voices, all voices   vary so widely at times depending on the subject we're talking about, how animated we are. So so it's not even a feasible concept. It's not even Not right now, but, I mean, that's  

[00:30:34] Rich Chelson:

But I mean, maybe in the future. Yeah. I will. I mean, it could if they if if AI doesn't collapse on itself.  

[00:30:41] Duuude-Ron :

You know, there's   we don't know. We'll just have to see. But, I mean, it's it's not something I'm gonna worry about.   You know?   Well, why not?   Why should I worry about it? Does   it find feed me, fuck me, or or finger me? No. Well,   have you asked it?   Honestly, no. I haven't. Oh, okay.   I have not I have not asked that.   But, I haven't either, but, you know, still. But yeah. No. This I mean I mean, this is what this is what I've been basically doing is just   is just, you know, learning and finding out that   I can do so much more. My system doesn't run near as hard   as it did on Windows. In fact, it's just   it's just barely running at an idle right now.  

You know? Mhmm. Because on on Windows,   my RAM usage was at   between 2640%  

[00:31:40] Rich Chelson:

from the time I turned it on. Well Yeah. Year. That's how it was start it's all how it's always   that's one of the great things about Linux was that it was a   that it's it was meant to   theoretically   use   the whole   RAM,   but to be able to use that whole whole   block of RAM   efficiently.  

[00:32:04] Duuude-Ron :

Right. And at idle, I mean, I'm I'm using   well   well, before I fired everything up, I was using   10%.   I'm now using with everything going,   Zoom, the streaming, everything.   I'm up to maybe 11%.   Okay. So I'm not I'm not using hardly any system resources   whatsoever.  

[00:32:29] Rich Chelson:

Right. I'm  

[00:32:30] Duuude-Ron :

using a few, but not many.   And shit, Mike.   My local   large language model uses six gigs when I fire it up,   but I can handle it. You know what I mean?   Right.   So   but   and   I I don't know. I just I I've just been learning   a lot of lot of different   newer, different things.  

[00:32:54] Rich Chelson:

No. That I think that's good. I think   learning and about it and stuff   is great. I just when it comes to, like, AI,   I'm just what AI for me is okay. It works. It's kinda cool,   but, you know,   it it it'll make your life easier as long as you use it   if the proper word would be properly   because I don't know Yeah. You know, what does, what's the definition of properly?  

[00:33:22] Duuude-Ron :

Well, that is that is different for everyone, really.   But, you know, I I mean, I, yeah, I understand what you're saying. You know? But but but at the same time, actually try and learn it   to to see if it's something   you   you can actually like or not like, and   don't rely on what other people say.   Because   it's it's   like in politics.   If you vote,   you have a right to bitch. If you don't vote, you don't have a right to bitch. Right.   Same thing with this.   It's new. It's and   you're gonna hear all the negative stuff about it,   very little of the positive stuff because   everybody wants to hear   all the negative stuff about everything.  

So that's what you're gonna hear.   When you actually   sit down and try and work it and because it's it's not hard.   Just ask it   ask it. Can you do this? Can you do that? Can you do this?   And then,   you know, if if they explain it to where,   you know, it's, like, great to you, explain this to me. Explain your last statement,   and they'll break it down.   You know?   I mean, that's   that's what I got to say about that   is actually try and learn it.  

[00:34:44] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[00:34:46] Duuude-Ron :

And then go from there. Use what you need, don't use what you need, and you're happy.  

[00:34:52] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[00:34:53] Duuude-Ron :

But, yeah, Brian, if if you have a Windows machine,   I would recommend you getting   Lenox, man, dude.   You would you would have a lot of fun with that, I think.  

[00:35:06] Rich Chelson:

Oh, I've always had.  

[00:35:08] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. It's it's   yeah. If you looked at it now, it's it's   honestly, if you ask me,   the the learning curve has been flattened out   quite greatly from what it was before.   So   so   what's going on in your world?  

[00:35:27] Rich Chelson:

Mom?   Well,   let's see here. There's a part of me that let's see here. We could, we could complain about   that,   how much   Oklahoma   is when it comes   to when it comes to   the medical field, Oklahoma   just absolutely   bites the bullet.  

[00:35:50] Duuude-Ron :

And why is that?  

[00:35:51] Rich Chelson:

Why? Because   the company I work for, my employer   changed,   changed insurance a couple weeks. Yeah. We went from   the the scourge of The United States, which was UnitedHealthcare.   The CEO is the guy of UnitedHealthcare   is the one that was shot by Luigi Mangione.   K.   Went from there to Blue Cross Blue Shield.  

[00:36:16] Duuude-Ron :

K.  

[00:36:18] Rich Chelson:

And so when you're looking   when you're my age, when your age,   Ron's age, or anybody in the fifties or so, and all the kids all their kids that that they have have grown up   and have left the house. They have they have thrown the coop.   Speaking in that way,   would you which what type of doctor would you think you need to go see?   A family general practitioner or a family practitioner?  

[00:36:47] Duuude-Ron :

General practitioner. Okay.  

[00:36:49] Rich Chelson:

Well, in this area, Elk City   has no general practitioners.  

[00:36:54] Duuude-Ron :

Really?  

[00:36:55] Rich Chelson:

Really.   You have   one   in, but she doesn't like to pick up the damn phone.   Mhmm.   We called three or four times, and it rings once, rings twice, and goes to what sounds like a cell phone. This is, doctor blah blah blah MD.   I'll leave a message.   It's all it says. It's like, oh my god.   Then there's a couple of doctors over in Clinton,   but they're for the Indian clinic.   Mhmm. I'm a white boy.   So so I don't have feathers in my hair, so I'm not gonna be able to go into there because I'd have to show some type of association with a tribe.   Right.  

So those two doctors are out of the question.   They've got one over in Mangum, but that's an hour almost an hour thirty away.  

[00:37:46] Duuude-Ron :

So so  

[00:37:47] Rich Chelson:

have you tried family doctor? Yeah. Well, we've got a look at family practitioners, and, yeah, yeah, we've   got a got   a   16 in Elk City.   But, again, it's like, alright. So we're gonna be going with, you know, especially in the wintertime.   And my wife has the amazing ability of just just mention a disease   within a 100 feet of her. She's gonna get it.   Okay. Never fails. And so you're gonna go to the land of the pea walking, talking petri dishes   because they're gonna go to the doctor because they're sick, because they're raffled all over the place, because they're, you know, they're touching everything. So, you know, Jan has already joked about we're gonna have to she's gonna have to buy a two gallon bucket of, of hand hand sanitizer.   And when she walks in, she's just gonna have to start coating herself in it   and reapply about every ten minutes.  



[00:38:43] Duuude-Ron :

Oh my god.   That's funny.   That is crazy, though. Yeah.  

[00:38:52] Rich Chelson:

It's just it's like, why is it gotta be that that darn difficult?  

[00:38:57] Duuude-Ron :

That's a good question.  

[00:38:59] Rich Chelson:

Maybe it's because, of of your location is the only thing I can think of. Well, that's kinda what I was thinking too. It's like, well, about the only thing it could be is the fact that   I live in Western Oklahoma, and, currently,   no one thinks that you need to have a need to have a doctor in in Western Oklahoma.  

[00:39:18] Duuude-Ron :

Well, no. They have doctors. They just don't have the type of doctors you want.  

[00:39:23] Rich Chelson:

But you're just an adult doctor.   That's all I wanna care for. Give me a doctor that, you know,   that that's that's that that's a real person   and and looks at me as an adult, not as the parent of a sick child.   Someone who whenever I go into and bring up the topic of of   of my,   of, you know, my health   concerns   Mhmm. That,   that, yeah, we're gonna be able to   be kinda taken more seriously than   than,   than,   you know,   a kid with, you know, with swollen tonsils.  

[00:40:05] Duuude-Ron :

Well, why would you think that you would be treated different  

[00:40:09] Rich Chelson:

as an adult versus Because kids are   kids are are the two people the two types of people that make a lot of money.   The really, really young because they get to get a lot of money from the from the pharmacies because, hey. They're sick all the time. They get their vaccinations and all that.   And then there is   the   there is  

[00:40:33] Unknown:

The really, really old?  

[00:40:34] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. And then the then the, the yeah. What's the geriatric? That's the damn word that kept bouncing off my head and not entering in entering in at all. So   but Really, really old. Yeah. The really, really old also known as the,   yeah, the geriatrics.  

[00:40:52] Duuude-Ron :

I I Yeah. Gotcha. Don't I don't think I'm following your  

[00:40:57] Rich Chelson:

your that's that's on that. Just Well, that that's okay. You're you're too young.   The Jerry the the the old folks   were they're, always having to go to the doctor because they get the more you know, that's when you start getting loaded up with all the different pills and   and, you know, high blood pressure because, you know, you your your your children   your adult children are driving you insane.   You've got, the cholesterol   medications. You've got the and then you've got the, the pills that are used to offset the,   the side effects of the heart of the, of the high blood pressure.  

And then you've got more pills you have to take to offset the the medication that offsets the side effects of the,   of the heart medication. So, you know, eventually, you will end up old folks get set up with, like, 37 different types of medication.  

[00:41:52] Duuude-Ron :

Right?  

[00:41:53] Rich Chelson:

And so,   yeah, you've got they get they're older.   That's one reason why   the whole thing about Obamacare   and why he was try actually, the reason behind why Obama was wanting   everybody   to have   trying to force everybody to have health insurance   is because   the 20   don't need health insurance all that much.   So they would offset   the expensive   children and the expensive elderly.   So the geriatric care   and the and the,   not   neonatal,   the,   the kid doctors, whatever the well, the family practitioners,   whatever they're called.  

[00:42:41] Duuude-Ron :

Idiotations.  

[00:42:42] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that $10 word. Good job. Good job. So, bam, you got yeah. You've got pediatricians,   and then you've got the the   Octogenarians   being being treated.   So you've got all these   they're supposed they're the ones who eat up all the,   all the the excess money   for the insurance companies.   And so you need to have   the 20,   the 30, the 40,   actually   actually paying into the system   so that   the companies can actually afford   to   insure those who are uninsurable.   And, yes, there are people who are uninsurable   because they're   they got tired of   one doctor fired the doctor while they've got, you know,   or an insurance company   because, you know, they they didn't wanna   to   wanna treat. So they or they've got a preexisting condition or, you know, something like that.  

So you've got   you've got these,   these the preexisting condition people, you know, people who jump from doctor to doctor   with,   with with   things like diabetes and things like that,   they're the ones that actually cost the insurance companies the most.   Or, you know Okay. Somebody who's got the, got a,   a   not a preexisting condition, but has the possibility,   genetically speaking,   you know,   every every person in their family,   you know, mom, dad,   grandmother, grandfather,   aunt all three aunts and the two uncles   have all gotten this exact same type of cancer.   Well, if the insurance company finds out about that, they're gonna get real nervous knowing that, oh my god. We're gonna have to be treating cancer here real quick.  

Because that becomes really expensive because, again,   the medication for   for chemotherapy   and all that, you know, start running into   thousand dollars a dose.  

[00:44:54] Unknown:

Well, okay. Okay. And how okay. And I'll and I'm gonna   jump in on this one Okay.   Because it's all you already got me aggravated.   Our health care system  

[00:45:07] Rich Chelson:

is   Oh, that's great. It's great. But it's been screwed up because the government stuck their fingers in it.  

[00:45:15] Unknown:

Okay.   You know? And how much   fraud   has   been taken from the health care system?   Fraud.  

[00:45:27] Rich Chelson:

Well, if you listen to what the Somalis over in over in Minnesota have done, we've at least had a couple million.   Billion. Billion. I mean, yeah. Not not yeah. Not not the not the b not the m, the b. The blue one. Okay.  

[00:45:41] Unknown:

Okay. Now   how is it that   a hospital   wants to charge you $10 for a bandage   that I can get a whole fucking box   at H E B or Walmart? No. Let me finish.   For   two and a half dollars.   And all these medicines   that may take them   $10   to produce   a bat,   not a dose,   a batch,   and then wanna charge   a thousand dollars for a dose.  

[00:46:19] Rich Chelson:

Mhmm.  

[00:46:20] Unknown:

It's all about   greed.  

[00:46:23] Rich Chelson:

Well, and a lot of it is about greed. I agree.  

[00:46:28] Unknown:

Yeah. That our system is so because of   all of these far Sudanese   greed.   The CEO   this. I need a I need a $15,000,000   bonus   at the end of the   year. Bullshit.  

[00:46:46] Rich Chelson:

Well, the funny thing about okay. Not not to not to to stand up for them, but that $15,000,000   bonus   is something that was negotiated in.   If I hit this,   you know, imaginary number,   if we bring in,   you know, a $100,000,000,000   this year,   and they made   a 100,000,000,000 and one last year, but if he says, a 100,000,000,000,   this year, then   I would like to have a bonus   in my put it in my contract that I have a bonus of this.  

[00:47:21] Unknown:

Okay. And how much work did that fucking CEO  

[00:47:25] Rich Chelson:

actually do? Well, I mean, in all reality,   they do a lot. They are the face of of what the company is.   They are it's it may not seem like physical labor wise. No. But they do all the direction,   all of and and oversee   the whole company.  

[00:47:46] Unknown:

Okay. I get I get that. I I completely understand that aspect to CEOs.  

[00:47:52] Duuude-Ron :

However paychecks are being paid by us.  

[00:47:55] Rich Chelson:

Oh, their paychecks are being paid. Yeah. And I because the fucking cost of goddamn  

[00:48:00] Unknown:

pharmaceuticals  

[00:48:01] Rich Chelson:

are so out of fucking control. Well, that's because health care isn't health care. Well, no. It's the insurance companies aren't insurance companies now.   They're middlemen   or   the pharmaceutical companies.  

[00:48:16] Unknown:

Again,   a a bunch of greedy motherfuckers   for what they are. Well, and pharmaceutical companies,  

[00:48:23] Rich Chelson:

I think I think we would see   pharmaceutical companies get really humbled   if we went back to   they aren't allowed to advertise.   Now you'd still see them advertised.  

[00:48:36] Unknown:

Yeah. Thank you very much. All these goddamn fucking commercials for   all these   Jesus. The fucking pills for   this, that, and the other.   Yeah. Now now, I'm not   Just like insurance companies. Right. Just like insurance companies, auto insurance companies,   it how many fucking thousands   of commercials does Progressive produce   USAA?   All these other goddamn insurance companies spend on advertising.  

[00:49:05] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Well, may have to. So they actually could try to make money because they're having to throw half their money away, half or not more of their money away. But whenever I'm talking about advertising, I'm not talking   because that's what they have to advertise it. They have to advertise so that they get more people to come in. They have to have throw it away because,   you know, you've got   you've got   patient's clients   who are   who were just who   were setting and milking   the, milking the the the the insurance company like the Somali   community did in   in in in Minnesota.  

But this one of the big things you go on and pay attention to are the commercials,   the advertisements   that aren't that are disguised as   news articles.   How many times do you watch the 10:00 news or 06:00 news,   and they're talking about, well, now this is, found new information about Manjar has been come out.   Who do you think actually   where did that information actually come from?   That came from the makers of Manjaro.   That's why,   when the the Manjaro   and Ozempic and all those will come were first coming out a couple years ago,   what was the one thing they were really pushing hard against?  

They were saying how horrible   this twenty year old drug is,   how horrible it is. If you go to a compounding   compounding pharmacy   and get   the get the, an SLG one SLP one   for semiglutide,   SLG one,   A semiglutide   prescription filled   by a compounder, which is you they could take it, they turn it into a cream that you put on your that'll absorb through your skin or might be in a form of a of cough syrup or maybe even a shot.   They have they're able to take these generic   drugs   and sell them for not thousand dollars a a   dose   like Monjungle and and Ozephycar   and Zepbound,   but do it for $40 a dose.  

Okay. So So they have to actually they'll work them real hard. Go, well, you don't wanna use that mouth pounding thing because   you might accidentally get too much.   And then you get, you know, you get   you might go blind or, you know, you might end up,   getting, the closeness of the, of the, intestine.   Zip it.   And   and so when that happens no.   So   you wanna go through and you wanna get a a high quality metered   shot that you just inject yourself,   or you go to a doctor and you get injected.   Okay. Because the doctor gets gets some money,   and and the,   and the and the and the pharmaceutical company gets money.  

Because they want they're charging us a thousand dollars a dose.  

[00:52:19] Unknown:

Right.   And how much   did it cost them   to produce   that dose?  

[00:52:28] Rich Chelson:

Nothing at all because it like I said, it's a generic   it's a generic   medicine.   Well, actually, a hormone is actually what it is.   They don't fully understand how it works and how it's how it actually plays into   plays into the biology of things. It's like the SSRIs   that all every kid from,   has been on for the past, you know,   thirty, forty years.  

[00:52:55] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:52:56] Rich Chelson:

But They don't understand what's going on, but all of a sudden, they and they're not about to point out. It's like,   well, this kid here was on an SSRI   when he went and shot up the, the school. The same as they're not they don't talk about   the last   but was it six or seven   school shootings have been done by trans trans kids?  

[00:53:19] Unknown:

Yeah. Try 14.  

[00:53:22] Rich Chelson:

Okay. Well, still.   So how who you know, again, that's this the   the pharmaceutical   company.   I bet you dollars donuts if you looked at the money and it was able to understand the books.   You would see the the pharmaceutical companies going,   let's not look at it that way. Let's look at it through the lens of this child was   was bullied.   Not that he was on   that he was feeling sad because he was going through   through puberty   and was experiencing   all the swings of emotions that a pubescent   kid does.   So we need to turn the emotions off.   So what I've seen manufacturers,  

[00:54:05] Duuude-Ron :

but not pharmaceutical   companies?  

[00:54:07] Rich Chelson:

Exactly.  

[00:54:08] Duuude-Ron :

Say that's wrong.  

[00:54:10] Rich Chelson:

You ain't hearing me say that it's you you hear me   say the say the opposite. You're just hearing me say that's the fact.   Is it wrong? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I agree. It's a 100% wrong. I think I think the pharmaceuticals   are are way   way more   than capable than any gun manufacturer.   I mean, that's the reason why we don't have Remington anymore.  

[00:54:34] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:54:35] Rich Chelson:

We've we've talked about that. Remington is not around. They they turned they sold out   and went it went under and all the and now a,   again, an insurance company   actually owns the,   the holdings.   And so anytime somebody comes along and goes and wants to try to sue, the insurance company goes, okay.   There's $20.   Yeah. So it is till you lost life.   Actually, it doesn't even go to them. It goes to you know, they take it and send it over to, like,   ActBlue.  

[00:55:07] Duuude-Ron :

Well, I mean, whatever they do with the money is is   their thing. But   now,   Brian, check the chat.   I know you're gonna pick these apart,   but   look at the chat. Okay.   Dude, you can look to chat too.   Yeah. I  

[00:55:27] Unknown:

I will.  

[00:55:29] Rich Chelson:

Let me put my eyeballs back on. Well, they got it. Yep. There you go.   That was one of the big things everybody was talking about was that clocks were weren't coming up with their   their ten after ten.  

[00:55:41] Duuude-Ron :

You see what I'm saying?   I mean, it's not perfect by no means, but No. It's a lot. No. The second one's got three hands. You know? No.   No. He doesn't have three hands.   And and and and and the prompts,   this is the simple prompts I use now.   Now if I woulda used   more detailed prompts,   I would've gotten a more detailed picture.  

[00:56:05] Rich Chelson:

Actually, I saw ten after two, is it?  

[00:56:08] Unknown:

It's neither one of them were ten after two. Oh, they're nine after. Excuse me.  

[00:56:13] Duuude-Ron :

God forbid.   But one of the prompts was make a picture of a clock showing 02:10PM   on a white wall,   And then the other one was same thing but on a blue wall.   That's the that's that's the most simple basic prompt   that I could think of that quick. Now  

[00:56:33] Unknown:

Okay. And it's the same clock   on the it's the same clock just on   different color backgrounds. See, it works fine.  

[00:56:41] Rich Chelson:

Probably AI thing.   Yeah. Okay. Nope. Nope. That's real estate. There's the AI stuff.  

[00:56:46] Duuude-Ron :

But still either way. I mean, that's if if if I would've been more detailed   in the prompt,   it would've,   you know, made   a made a better picture. But   what I was trying to show   is that   it's come a long way   in just a short amount of time.  

[00:57:09] Rich Chelson:

Nano banana.   Yep.   Okay.   So here we go.   So not now. K.   Hey, guys.   See here.   Save image.   And   where'd we go? Where'd we go? Where'd we go? Alright. So Yeah. Yeah. You can I've got too many too many things flopping around.   Okay. So give me an image of three guys laughing out on a boat.  

[00:57:35] Duuude-Ron :

Just a minute.   I'm right here, dog. God dang.   On a boat.   Do you want me to specify?   Okay.  

[00:57:45] Rich Chelson:

So anyhow, so there you go. This is what you got.   Got a lot of orange,   lot of brown,   even the water's   nowhere near blue. Now I'm not lake water's not normally blue. But, again, this is what I'm talking about. You didn't specify anything. No. You didn't specify colors, time of day,  

[00:58:05] Duuude-Ron :

nothing.  

[00:58:06] Rich Chelson:

You you just used a basic Yeah. So and the basic came out with a lot of orange.   Yeah. You're gonna get a lot of orange and browns and dulls, and there's a lot of   I mean, we can even do   let's do,   let's see here. Let's see. That was Gemini last time. So  

[00:58:25] Duuude-Ron :

I mean,   you're sitting here trying to fucking way.  

[00:58:29] Rich Chelson:

Christ almighty.  

[00:58:30] Duuude-Ron :

You're sitting here and you split hairs over over   the most   simple basic shit.  

[00:58:38] Rich Chelson:

No. I'm try I'm trying to say that AI is no good.   You've been saying that for a fucking year, dude. I know, and I'm gonna keep saying it till I get everybody brave with me.  

[00:58:49] Unknown:

Yeah. Rich.   Rich. Wait. Stop. Stop using   my name   in vain.  

[00:59:00] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, shoot.  

[00:59:02] Unknown:

Just had to throw that in there. Absolutely. But  

[00:59:05] Duuude-Ron :

No. Brian. No, Brian. You're   you're not gonna get me to change my way of thinking.  

[00:59:11] Rich Chelson:

So I will. Eventually, you're gonna go, well, AI is no good. Cure damn tooting.  

[00:59:16] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Bullshit.   Dude, that's gonna collapse here soon. Mhmm.   Oh,  

[00:59:22] Rich Chelson:

yeah.   The AI bubble, it will pop,   like, eventually,  

[00:59:27] Duuude-Ron :

but not now. Sit.   Nope.   Yep. Dude, what was you gonna say? Yeah. What you got?  

[00:59:34] Unknown:

Don't fucking remember.  

[00:59:36] Duuude-Ron :

Dude, that was, like, maybe forty five seconds ago.   Come on, man.  

[00:59:42] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. I will have to agree with Rich with the AI.   I don't personally   dabble in AI   nor do I really   care.   However, the picture that Brian sent,   oranges and browns and whatever,   you know what?   Okay.   Yeah.   You know, it there's   it looks like the sun   is hitting on the background. And   guess what?   Most of the pictures   present the sun as   orange.  

[01:00:20] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. And how many how many dings can guys sit in foot to hip to hip on the back of the boat, though?  

[01:00:27] Duuude-Ron :

Well, I don't know. You It's it's okay. It's a dinghy guy, man. It's a walking ass dinghy.  

[01:00:34] Unknown:

Okay.   You're right. It's a wide ass dinghy.   You know, have I seen a dinghy that wide?   No. No.  

[01:00:42] Duuude-Ron :

But still  

[01:00:44] Unknown:

But it it well, you could've   it could've gave given you a freaking   aircraft carrier.  

[01:00:52] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. It could've. Yeah. It could've.  

[01:00:55] Unknown:

You know? But And it's still it's still   being correct.  

[01:00:59] Duuude-Ron :

It still would've been a correct picture.  

[01:01:01] Unknown:

Yes. Because of the picture.   Something that AI generated.   Okay.   That's great. Just off of a few simple   words.   Three guys laughing in a boat.   I get it.   Okay?  

[01:01:20] Duuude-Ron :

But but the thing is, Brian, let me ask you this.   About this image   that you created,   okay, why does this image   bother you so much?  

[01:01:32] Rich Chelson:

Why does it bother me? Yes. But it's just a it's just the indicator   of what I'm talking about.   No. If you want if you want an image that is just kinda brown and muddy,   then you're gonna get an image that's kinda brown and muddy.  

[01:01:47] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Let me okay. Let me ask you this. That image  

[01:01:51] Unknown:

how is that image   brown and muddy?  

[01:01:55] Rich Chelson:

Well, it's got a it's got a lot of brown in it. Now is it actually muddy, muddy, muddy? No. But it is   not of the,   it's nowhere near as bright as and and,   and and as colorful as most good images actually are.  

[01:02:13] Unknown:

Okay. Even so.  

[01:02:15] Rich Chelson:

You can There's a lot of good contrast   and and   and shades of of   of other colors   even in photographs. And like that picture there, that is a very orange   image.  

[01:02:29] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Okay. Yeah. But but hold on. Let me ask this then. Okay?   Now what if we had the words that said   Brian is God?  

[01:02:39] Rich Chelson:

Who cares what the image looks like as long as the message gets across. Correct? I mean, it's it was actually true, then it would be all in lights of many different colors and fireworks don't You're you're full of shit. Amazing. You're right. I am. I am very much full of shit. I'm full of myself too.  

[01:02:58] Duuude-Ron :

Yes. I I I wanna argue that point, but that's the thing. What I'm saying is, why   why does that bother you so much? That's that's what I'm trying to figure out. Why does it bother you so much? As long as, as long as the image no matter what the image is  

[01:03:15] Rich Chelson:

Because it is   the   it is the the   the fall   of good art.  

[01:03:23] Unknown:

Okay. So let let's let's   let's talk about that, but don't interrupt me, please.  

[01:03:31] Rich Chelson:

Oh, good. I'll let you know if I've got something to say, I'll say it because I forget about it ten seconds later.  

[01:03:36] Unknown:

You're right. However,   good art   okay.   What is good art? A Picasso,   a Rembrandt,   a whatever the other ancient   artists were?   No. I've seen all of those pictures. Not   not personally. I've seen them on the Internet or whatever.   Would I   do I like them?   No.   I don't.   If I was to spend   money   on a painting,   it would be Thomas Kinkade   because his   paintings   are   lifelike.   Lights,   all that kind of stuff.   Rembrandt,   Picasso,   they don't excite me.   Who who painted the Mona Lisa?  

[01:04:32] Rich Chelson:

I'm sure. Who painted Mona Lisa? That would be,  

[01:04:36] Duuude-Ron :

a bit  

[01:04:37] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[01:04:38] Unknown:

Okay.   Doesn't enter it does not interest me one bit.   But how many   tens of millions of dollars   is that painting   worth?   Well, anything's   worth   what somebody is willing to pay.  

[01:04:56] Rich Chelson:

Well, yeah. I mean and that's true.   But a lot of it, especially,   I've come across   I've started actually picking up on art a little bit more,   and I'm still, you know, nowhere near any anything close to I'd even consider   a a vague   amateur connoisseur   of of art. But   because a lot of times I'd look at it, it's like, oh, that's really cool.   But now   I've actually started I've come across a couple   of TikTok   channels and a couple other channels   that are talking about the the story behind   what that art is.  

[01:05:36] Unknown:

And The art or a picture.  

[01:05:39] Rich Chelson:

Or what that the picture.   Okay.   But, I mean, you also have have   you've got some   there what is it? A   it is I forget who I I couldn't tell you who who carved it, but there's a guy somebody who went off   and carved   a   an image of Jesus   as he was laid out on a table, life like the life size Jesus   with the with a thin   veil for a burial crowd draped over him. So you could kinda see underneath it,   but at the same time, you you know, it was kinda kinda   misty.   You know, how looking at stuff through through, like, a a   semi translucent   cloth.  

You know? If you had some in white cloth, not quite the shrouded term because that was a thick canvas   or linen style   burial shroud, but, you know, just a light,   thin   sheer sheer, that's the word,   sheer   burial shroud.   And Okay. The folds   and and the   and how the draping of this   shroud   was over this   depiction of Jesus   was absolutely fascinating.   And the funny and the interesting thing about it is nobody knows how he did it   because they can't, they have yet to be able to actually   recreate   anything close to what this guy did.   And it because it does. It it's all made out of marble. It's white marble, but it looks like   a guy   laid out on a on a on a table   and that this barrel shroud is   draped over him and has   drapes off the, off the side the edges of the table too.  



[01:07:32] Duuude-Ron :

And it's a   go ahead.   I was just gonna say it it it sounds like you're trying to equate fine art   with what AI does, and that's that's not true. And, also,   also, that the fact that this even if even if one of the artists   that are well known   paints a picture or has painted a picture,   and we know the exact story behind that picture,   it really has of no significance   because   what that picture says to you   might be totally different than what the artist was going for or what it says. I mean, that's what it says. But, again, it's just a lot of people would look at an image  

[01:08:17] Rich Chelson:

and, what is the one   I think it's a Swedish dude,  

[01:08:24] Duuude-Ron :

the couple  

[01:08:26] Rich Chelson:

I guess, couple being married or something like that.   But it's an old   time   it's an old   piece. Let's see.   Yeah. There it is. Arnold   Arnold Fotini   portrait,   Jan Van   X, enigmatic   Arnolfini. It's a 600 year old painting.   There's a little thumbnail still.   Van X, Arnolfini   portrait remains one of the art's greatest mysteries.   And the funny thing is is   you have people   looking at it and   and, you know, taking little aspects out of   or they're all taking little interpretations. And, again, you know, how do you interpret the image? I get that, and it may not be the, the same for everybody. But   but   the little details in this image   are   are fascinating because you   see a couple standing in standing front and center of the of the portrait.  

In the very middle of the portrait   is a round   mirror. You look inside the mirror, you actually could see the back reflections   of the couple,   but in front of them are two people.   Who are those two people? And that's one of the big mysteries of it. But, also,   there are other indicators showing   that maybe   the woman who is being married   in this image, she may not actually be alive.   And so just the whole story   behind there and what what people look at. I mean, because this is a lot of stuff that they don't ever think about. I look at a picture, and I'm going, oh, that's really neat.   That's   that's a that's a fascinating picture. The   like the,   oh, the image of the   see. I think it's  

[01:10:19] Duuude-Ron :

Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's it's I mean, I I agree with you, and I've   I've seen that picture on the Internet. I haven't seen it up close in person. And it looks intriguing, but, you know, I I mean,   when I look at it  

[01:10:34] Unknown:

go ahead. You need to resend that because I'm getting a website   for no agenda.  

[01:10:41] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. That's no okay. Now what I was the reason I threw that up on there because we got I was saved it.   Because the no agenda art generator is goes back to what originally what we're talking about on how the images start looking real brown and and muddy.   Okay. And if you go through there and you start looking at those images, the the images the cover arts, the chapter arts that they they produce, because what what No Agenda does is on as part of their value for value   is anybody can create a piece of art,   a   a a piece of,   of of   album art   and send it send it in. And what happens is is that   John c. Dvorak and Adam Curry will look at them, and they will discuss which one's gonna become   the   the actual   episodic   image   for for the show.  

And then they also take it and put it up as as   as the art image   or for the for the show image also. So it's chart the show cover.   And so this is just one of the ways that they're able to provide value for value because if you went out, you get your you get your art shown to the   million or so people who actually are downloading and listening to the podcast.   But one of the things they do is they take all the images and they throw them up onto the art generator   for people to look at   and to see who see what's what was submitted and what didn't. And, you know, there's some really funny ones in there. There's some really weird ones.   But one of the things that you see is   when   AI started to kick in   and as it's progressed,   it's become nothing but AI being submitted,   which again reverts back to humans lazy. It's easier to just throw in a few images or through, throw in a few prompts   and poof, well, you get   you get an image   and say, yeah. I'll change this around to to put that to put that spatula in the other hand or whatever,   and   let it try to come up with something like that. Now one of the things you will notice,   again, if you scroll way back is that the images   do not now there's some in there that have got blues. They've got they've got other image the the someone's using a different type of,   of   of model,   but you could tell the models the older models that have consumed a lot of different images because those pop out   a lot more brown. There's a lot more and when I say muddy, it's got it's basically like someone   took a handful of really wet liquidy mud, slapped it on there, and struck it down and just kinda wiped it down. So it's almost like a brown sheen over it,   but the overall   colors   are orange   and browns.  

Okay. And that's just a really good example   of of what I was talking about   on that.   Because everybody's using different different   prompts   to try to get their their image up. And so you get a whole list of different images up that have got predominantly   orange, brown   as the as the the overarching   image color. Are there other colors in there? Yeah. There there are, but they're   subdued over onto the warmer   orange brown   side of the,   of the spectrum.  

[01:14:21] Duuude-Ron :

Because maybe that's how they see life or they don't see it any other way.   Or because you see, that's the thing. They you That's just it.   Go ahead, dude.  

[01:14:32] Unknown:

They they don't see   AI doesn't see anything.  

[01:14:35] Rich Chelson:

No. It doesn't. It just picks up all the different images out there   and goes, okay. Well, here's an example of an image. Here's an example of an image. Here's an example of an image. And then they take those little examples of those images, pull them off, put and grab some examples of other images, pull them off, slap them together, and go, there you go. We've got   this guy, this guy, and this guy, and we're sitting in a boat.   Now it doesn't realize that, oh, the dinghy's   rowboats are not   three man wide.   Okay. The same as they don't know.  

Oh, wait a minute. People don't have seven fingers on one hand.  

[01:15:13] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. This is why this is why I said earlier,   you have to tell it   what you want.   You can't just throw in five words and expect   a freaking Picasso.  

[01:15:26] Rich Chelson:

No. No. I don't expect a a Picasso. You want it. But, again, at the same time, it's not   people are trying to push it to be   a Picasso. And there's it's never going to be a Picasso because it's done by an by a machine. There's not gonna be any soul in it. No matter how much you how many props you put in to to get up to get sold.   You know? And put a lot of salt into it. You know? It's gotta go That's true. But but you see, that's the thing. Nowadays,  

[01:15:57] Duuude-Ron :

no one really freaking cares.   Because as long as the picture invokes the   proper reaction   that the person who made the picture wants to   have in there, and all they gotta do is just add a couple words or maybe tweak a couple things in the picture.   And it it can   because we're shallow. And it's true. I'm saying this about everybody. You know what I'm saying? I'm I'm freaking better than anybody else because I'm not. Well, you are. But that we're left to some point.   But but no. You see, that's the thing. And,   you know, if someone wants to tweak a couple settings,   make it look a little better, and then put it up, that's different. But you see, that's the thing. You know?  

And and and this is why   your argument can't is isn't really apples to apples here.   You can't take   what the grates did   and and expect the same thing   out of a machine.   That and you know what I mean? That's exactly right. Well okay.  

[01:17:00] Unknown:

And picture   the Greeks   and then the Romans,   and go further back to   the pharaohs   of Moses's time.  

[01:17:14] Rich Chelson:

K.  

[01:17:15] Unknown:

You know, it's   it's all in the eye of the beholder.   If the beholder thinks it is   just   picture perfect,   and then you come right behind him and goes, that's too orange.   And that person turns around and says, I really don't give a fuck.   You know, it's   Rich, let me ask you this. Uh-huh.   That painting you bought in   New Orleans  

[01:17:44] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[01:17:45] Rich Chelson:

The big one.  

[01:17:46] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[01:17:47] Unknown:

You met the artist. Right? Yes. I did.   Okay.   What was the meaning behind   that   painting?  

[01:17:56] Duuude-Ron :

You know,   I didn't really ask   because  

[01:18:00] Unknown:

Okay.   What the artist saw. Get to see did you get to see the building   that he painted?  

[01:18:08] Duuude-Ron :

No. No. I haven't seen the building yet.   Okay. But I was told because I was told by her,   she photographed the building   and then painted from the photograph.   Okay.   So and and you see there,   you know, looking at looking at a computer screen, if it's not calibrated,   you could easily   miss a color   or or miss the shade   of a color.  

[01:18:37] Unknown:

Okay. Now how many colors are in that painting?  

[01:18:41] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, not many. It's like Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Maybe two.  

[01:18:46] Unknown:

Two.   If I remember correctly, there was black and red  

[01:18:50] Duuude-Ron :

on a white case. Well, and some white, some, negative space. But yeah.  

[01:18:55] Unknown:

Okay. So three colors.   And you fell in love with that   painting   as it was. Yep. That's why you bought it. Yep.   Because you thought that is fucking cool.   Yep.   Just that building   in those four colors   made a statement to you.  

[01:19:17] Rich Chelson:

Right?   Yep. Yep. Yep.  

[01:19:20] Unknown:

And   I like the painting, but would I have bought it? You know, who knows?   I may have looked at the next one over and thought that one was even more cooler   than   the one that you purchased.  

[01:19:35] Rich Chelson:

True.  

[01:19:37] Unknown:

It's all in the eye   of the beholder.  

[01:19:40] Rich Chelson:

I tell you what. And I agree with it. It is. But at the same time, I and but on top of that, it's really neat to see,   like   oh, what is it? DeWitt. Somebody I can't think of who is it. Now I gotta look them up again.  

[01:19:55] Duuude-Ron :

Some   DeWitt. I've heard that name. Well, it's See here.  

[01:20:01] Rich Chelson:

Is it a painter? Photography? No. It's the it's the name of the it's the name of the of the portrait.   Just hold on. It   because some of the some of the great some of the images just more, but this way,   But some of the the great images that I that I like that I find the most fascinating   Oh, hell. Of   the kind of the atrocities   that happened and that have been recorded by by artists.   And so looking this up, DeWitt, DeWitt brothers.   The corpses of the DeWitt brothers, I think, is what it's called.  

[01:20:38] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Yeah.  

[01:20:39] Rich Chelson:

And, basically, what it is is it's it's a tall image, tall painting   of this   kinda,   not a Christmas tree, but a pole with it's got a bunch of extra   pole sticking out of it. And you see these two brothers,   they've been suspended   upside down. One's got their head cut off. They've been disemboweled.   And all in all, it's a very gruesome story   or gruesome image. But then you look back into the into the the   the story   because this was this was   I ain't about let's see. Let me go ahead and bring Wikipedia up so I could give you give you your facts instead of just my my   poor memory.  



[01:21:24] Duuude-Ron :

There it goes. See, that's that's what I'm saying. Picture doesn't   do nothing for me.  

[01:21:31] Rich Chelson:

But go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. But, anyhow, what it is is the two brothers were opponents of a of the house orange and which had had dominated Dutch politics for some years.   But the left of the,   left but left the country unprepared for the invasion by king Louis the, let's see, ten, five, fourteenth of of, of France in 1672.   The famous rompa in the, the famous rompa, which I don't know what exactly that is. Their killing, which took place on 08/20/1672,   was an act of aggression of a furious local mob, supporters of 22 year old William of Orange,   the future William the third of England who had just been appointed   a, stat holder, commander in chief   of the army and navy by the political opponents of Johan. On August 4, Johan had agreed   to his forced resignation from the position of the grand   Pensacenere   of Holland,   the, sec basically, the secretary of the government.  

Then his, brother Cornelis was accused of treason and arrested, and the verdict   at his trial was exile. Johan went to jail from from their house   nearby to take take him home for the time time being, and   The local,   militia gathered up a mob at at that was angry at the, at such a mild verdict.   And I I'm not sure exactly what why they   the   I've I'd have to look again at the, the guy who introduced me to the   to that, and both brothers were then lynched at the gate of the, the Gavin's Port.   But   just the,   just this   this image   of the atrocity that that people can commit against each other.  

And, you know, what was it necessary for them to take off one's head   and then completely disembowel him? I mean, would it would it have done just as much just to hang him upside down and cut his throat?  

[01:23:40] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, the thing is   stuff like that  

[01:23:43] Rich Chelson:

had been happening since the beginning of time. Oh, yeah. They've been happening since the beginning of time.   And, you know, if you,   where is it?   Oh, there it is.   So   oh,   I had a high image.  

[01:24:01] Unknown:

Is that   is there an image   of that?  

[01:24:05] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[01:24:07] Unknown:

Put it up on the chat. I wanna see it.   Same way with whoever was talking about   the the marble piece  

[01:24:16] Rich Chelson:

that had the Yeah. I'm looking for yeah. I'm looking for the Okay. So let me, see here.  

[01:24:21] Unknown:

I wanna see both of them. A  

[01:24:24] Rich Chelson:

alright. Let's see here. Yeah. Let's know. Let's talk about our The corpse of DeWitt. Yeah. It's like, oh, oh, blood course. Yeah.   Corpses   of   the DeWitt   brothers,   high res.   High Res.  

[01:24:44] Duuude-Ron :

High Res. There we go. Let's see. Yeah. Something else been going on over here. We've had,   three and a half inches of rain in less than a week.   Nice.  

[01:24:55] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. I don't know about all that. Bella hates Oh, it is. See how it's rain. Oh, yeah. Most dogs do. They're, like, going, oh, man. Really?   God. It's like I'm getting peed on while I'm peeing on the grass.   Okay. So doop doop.   And, again, funny thing is is that I'm   as I saved it and I'm looking at it, it's like, wow. There's a lot of awful awful lot of browns in there. So Right.  

[01:25:20] Duuude-Ron :

I I like to make a picture. Again,  

[01:25:22] Unknown:

what is your obsession   with orange   and brown? Because they're ugly colors.  

[01:25:28] Duuude-Ron :

Well, to you, they're ugly.  

[01:25:30] Rich Chelson:

Don't know very many people who like going, oh, that is just the most   brilliant shade of brown. That is a beautiful doo doo brown right there. Just  

[01:25:41] Duuude-Ron :

And do you know everybody on this globe?  

[01:25:44] Rich Chelson:

I do. I have mad and shook every single one of their hands. Damn it.   Okay.   Now I'm looking for the crown. Brown  

[01:25:53] Unknown:

to me is what's in the crayon box.  

[01:25:56] Rich Chelson:

See let's see here. The brown gutter. Check the chat. Carving.  

[01:26:01] Unknown:

Guess you know what? I just got new gutters. Guess what color they are? Brown.   Brown.  

[01:26:07] Rich Chelson:

Well, why didn't you ask for orange?   Come on.  

[01:26:12] Unknown:

Well, you're you are disgusted by brown. I have browns I am not a fan of brown. I've I like Because my brick   is tan and brown Yeah. Color.  

[01:26:22] Rich Chelson:

My I've So painted over all my bricks. So   Dude. Well, actually, my brick was   somebody went through and made it supposed to look like put plaster on it and and made supposed to look like kind of stone.   And then they went off, painted over that. So, yeah, I mean yeah. Anyhow  

[01:26:41] Duuude-Ron :

Hey, dude. Your for Jesus' trip. Your house is like is like a lot of the others that are built.   They're and and this is I mean, it's it's it's not dictated.   It's spoken, but not forced   that a lot of cities and   and if you drive to other cities and look, you'll find it   that especially   in a lot of newer subdivisions,   they want earthen   tones.   And what are earthen tones?   Tan and brown.   That is what they define as earthen   tones.  

[01:27:16] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   May of Christ is what it's called.   So see here.   Now see if I can find a full size image of it.  

[01:27:28] Duuude-Ron :

So that's why, actually, I'm glad I don't live in the Southwest because   my house would look like everybody else's, and I'd get lost every day going home. Yeah. Because they're every single freaking one of them are tan.  

[01:27:41] Unknown:

Yeah. Taco tan.  

[01:27:43] Duuude-Ron :

Yep.   Yeah. A lot of cities are like that.  

[01:27:47] Rich Chelson:

Mhmm.  

[01:27:48] Duuude-Ron :

I mean and and,   you you know, it's funny.   You know, people walk in house, oh, I just love this house. Well, guess what? Go next door. It's the same house.  

[01:27:59] Unknown:

And get and you know what? They'll probably say, that's a fucking ugly house.   I don't like that.   Now my house I love my house.  

[01:28:07] Duuude-Ron :

But it's the same thing. Square foot, everything, layout, walls, everything, the same colors,   the same. But, oh, that's an ugly house. Oh, that's not my color wheel.  

[01:28:17] Rich Chelson:

So there you go. There's those two those two images.   Another image that, I saw that always I found that I've gotten around to where I kinda find fascinating is, I think it's called the raft of the Medusa.  

[01:28:30] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.  

[01:28:31] Rich Chelson:

And that is it it's based on the the story of the ship Medusa that ran a ground.   And the the captain who was this was his first boat to ever or ship to ever to to ever head.   And so he took   him and his his   officers   were like, hey. We're gonna we're gonna go ahead. And we're pretty close to land. We we have a good idea. It's pretty close to land.   And so they,   they were gonna hop into this into the   this   their their   their little dinghy their dinghy boat, you know, the the rowboat   that they were pulling behind them   and   go and and head out. But before they actually did that, everybody was like, alright. Hold up. Hold up. No. You ain't really gonna leaving our dumbasses out here by yourself. You're if if there's a if there's a land just, you know, 10 miles down the road, then we're gonna go ahead. We're coming with you. And so they disassembled   a large portion of the boat,   and I think only, like, three   three people survived, and they're the ones that stayed on the boat.  

And everybody else got onto this big ass flat raft,   and   they were gonna get pulled by the guys in the rowboat.   Well, that lasted for maybe about six hours or however long. They it didn't last for long at all.   And they were like, you know what? We're going to go on ahead and cut you loose, and we're gonna come back for you later on.   And they had stuck all the, all the the sup what supplies they had left, they'd stuck in the middle of this raft,   which was just a flat raft. So as they were being dragged along, you know, the the the nose of the of the ramp was getting was in the water   and stuff. So they were getting getting pulled along. So the people the the lower   the the   the stewards   people, the people who would like third class, fourth class passengers,   they have to sit at the front.  

And the the   the upper   crust were sitting at the back, so they were further off the off the   off the deal. But until   that was   until the the captain and all was like, you know what? We're done. We're our guys are tired, and we we're just about 10 miles away. You know? We're just almost there. We're gonna go ahead to head out. We're gonna go get the, by land. We're gonna let people know that, hey. We've got a boat that's stranded out here, and they're gonna come back and get you. And so they cut them loose. And so they're just out in the middle of the ocean, of the Indian Ocean just floating around.   And   the   the people there started breaking off into factions.  

Some were some were holding the the the alcohol because, you know, they had a lot of alcohol, and so everyone was kinda was kinda having a good time drinking, have being merry and and drunk.   And then they realized, oh, wait a minute. We're running low on alcohol. And so everybody started hoarding alcohol. And from there, they started hoarding all the other   stuff. And like I said, this is a flat boat a flat.   So once it stopped moving,   everybody wound up being at about four to six inches worth of water because of everyone sitting on top of it.   And it's just wood. It's not there's no floating.  

And so they the whole thing devolved into   just   mass chaos. People were killing the people for, you know,   and   and and just   throwing people off boats because, you know, well, you're not part of the right right group. You're going off. And it was just it was just a sheer breakdown   of society in a very micro   micro form.   And the captain   never even came back.   Another boat another ship was sailing in the air in the general vicinity   and knew where to avoid the sandbar that they or coral reef that they ran into.   And then they saw them, and they so they when they rescued them, there was only, like,   two people left.  

And so,   once the story got out, they thought, you know, oh, I think there was a, I think there was a a poem about the the raft of Medusa,   and then the a guy went off and painted the raft of Medusa. And you see all these different emotions being given out   by by the different people who are part of   of the,   of the raft and yeah. Of the of the food chain, you got some guy that's just in complete and total to spare down in one, and you've got people, you know, going after each other and another.   And it's it's just a fast now that you hear the story behind it and you go and you look at it, you're like, oh, okay. Yeah. Everybody's trying to kill each other because they're freaking hungry, and they want they want to be drunk again. So so it's a like I said, it's just hearing the stories behind   what made this what made that that   image the image is   is   is   fascinating.  

And, see, there was another one about Ivan the terrible   that and he went off and and killed his son   in a fit of rage. Yeah.   There it is.   Ivan the terrible.   What's the what's it called? Yeah. Ivan the terrible   what's and his son Ivan the terrible and his son Ivan.   And   you see in this in this   picture   now   save   image.   Put those.   I'll throw it up in the chat. Kim Jong  

[01:34:16] Unknown:

Kim Jong il had his   uncle assassinated.  

[01:34:21] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. But the the difference is is that was intentional.   And what happened with   what the heck? Come on.  

[01:34:29] Unknown:

I have in the whatever.  

[01:34:32] Rich Chelson:

What is   see. There's cool. Chat. Let's hit the plus. Plus.   Plus.   No. I don't mean to  

[01:34:41] Unknown:

Yeah.   It King Jong il, yeah, he killed his uncle because his uncle was trying to   have the   what the hell is it? Throw over the government  

[01:34:56] Rich Chelson:

for him. Yeah. But but, yeah, Ivan the Terrible   what happened was he had the story behind it is that his he flew into this fit of rage.   And he had grabbed a a staff   while he was trashing the room   and had smacked his son against the side of his head and   in turn would end up killing him.   But the picture is   Ivan reali the terrible realizing what he's done   And the look of of   anguish   and regret that's on his face is just so   palpable.   And then you look over onto the sun and you see that there's a single tear in his eye   and that he's, you know,   just the fact that he was   betrayed by his father in that way.  

And it's just a wonderful means of of telling a story, and for whatever reason, I can't send   anything. I hit it, and all of a sudden, the   let's let's see what happens. I'll just go, hello.   There. Send that. Okay. Now let's see if I can   Yeah. Hello? No. It's picture of it and Well, it won't let me post the picture.   It won't let me post the picture. I hit the plus.   There it goes. Finally. Good god. It took seventeen tries.   Boom. There we go.  

[01:36:18] Unknown:

There it is. That's when you do take a snapshot.  

[01:36:21] Rich Chelson:

Well, I'd like to. But, again, you'd I'd have to take the picture   of the snapshot   and be able to post it up on there, and it wouldn't let me do the posting. It was just, like, bouncing up and down. It was like, okay. Text. Nope. No text. Okay. Text. No text. Just like, give me the option to send something.   So, anyhow, there it was.  

[01:36:41] Unknown:

Okay. So Ivan the Terrible just looks like his eyes are bugging out of his head.  

[01:36:46] Rich Chelson:

Well, yeah. But look at the the, look at the anguish that's on his face   of the realization that he has just killed his son,   and that's what   I hear what you're saying. I And it's it's it's the the story behind   that right there that   just is   is fascinating to me. That that's the and you can't get that   through AI.  

[01:37:14] Unknown:

Okay.  

[01:37:15] Rich Chelson:

You wouldn't be able to get   all those little details.   That's Ivan's terrible and and his son Ivan.   You wouldn't be able to get those in there. You wouldn't be able to get   the range of emotions   Okay.   On on in in the raft of Medusa.  

[01:37:34] Duuude-Ron :

Well, would you want to? Right.  

[01:37:36] Rich Chelson:

Because someone would   would try.   Many have probably tried. Oh, yeah. Many have probably tried, and all of them, I'm sure, failed.  

[01:37:46] Duuude-Ron :

Well, then that's fine. But does you see, this is this is what I'm asking.   Why is it such a big deal?  

[01:37:54] Rich Chelson:

Because I want it to be a big deal.  

[01:37:56] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, okay. Well, thank you.  

[01:37:58] Rich Chelson:

Thank you. Okay. Okay. So the I wanna bring awareness that AI slop is real.   You say that just about every other week, dude. I do. I am going to get the word out.   Well, get the word out because I'm not gonna change. So Yeah. You're going to. You're gonna one day, real wake up and realize, holy crap. This AI stuff is slop.  

[01:38:22] Duuude-Ron :

You know what? I don't really care because I just use it for my own personal gain, and I don't try and make no money off of it. So there.  

[01:38:31] Unknown:

Stick to it. Yeah. Yeah. Been smokey. Okay. Yeah. So okay. The picture that I sent.  

[01:38:37] Rich Chelson:

Okay.  

[01:38:38] Unknown:

What do y'all think about that?  

[01:38:41] Rich Chelson:

Hold on.  

[01:38:42] Duuude-Ron :

It's a good picture,   and it was done by pencil.  

[01:38:47] Rich Chelson:

Oh, you're talking about the, the   on behalf of the great nation?  

[01:38:51] Unknown:

Yes.  

[01:38:52] Rich Chelson:

Yes. And see, it's not   it's not brown and orange either.  

[01:38:57] Unknown:

Oh, god forbid. No. God. It's graphite.   It's graphite. K. You're right. What It's not What do you see? What do you see?  

[01:39:05] Rich Chelson:

I see the, that there is a   the the care   and sacrifice   that happens when you are with,   when you're in the the military. You run the chance   of all being left is the are your boots,   maybe your your your your your brain bucket   and and your dog tags.   You run that risk. That is your sacrifice.  

[01:39:34] Unknown:

And that   is two of the three   pieces   to a combat cross.   The only thing that isn't there is an m 16.  

[01:39:46] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[01:39:47] Unknown:

Okay. So you got the dog tags. What else do you have on the boots?  

[01:39:53] Rich Chelson:

I'll pull it back up again.   Come   on. Oh, you've got the, you're talking about the, the the   Purple heart. The purple heart. Yes. I was like, the wounded heart ridden. The wounded metal one.  

[01:40:06] Unknown:

That when   I saw this print   that the artist   did not shade where the silver is at   or make the purple heart metal   purple.   If he would've done that, I think that would just have   enhanced   the image   a thousand   percent.   If he would have made the purple heart ribbon   or the metal portion   behind Benjamin Franklin,   just that piece,   purple,   I think that   woulda just change that image to the better a thousand percent.   K? So this artist,   you know how much money he made from that   that print?   No.   Not a dime.   He drew that print   and gave it to the Purple Heart Association   to   have it   mass produced,   and all the proceeds went to the Purple Heart Association.  

The artist   didn't take a dime,   and he was in collaborations with the Purple Heart   Association   that I wanna make a   drawing   for you to,   you know, get funds   for the Purple Heart Association.   And I think   one of the guys   of that association that I know here locally at Fort Hood   had met that   kid   that drew that portrait.   He drew that in about   four hours   and said, here you go.   Do you like it?   And that's the print they went with.  

[01:41:54] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Now  

[01:41:55] Unknown:

that's the only thing, one of the very few pictures that I actually have on my walls,   and that's one of them,   because I just find   that particular picture   just   fascinating.   Now what you guys think of it, you you could be like, okay. It's a neat picture, and then go about your merry way.   Just like   Rich's, he bought that painting because he fell in love with it.  

[01:42:24] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[01:42:25] Unknown:

Somebody else could walk by and go, that's a nice penny,   and just walk and continue walking.   It had no absolutely no interest.   So   but it's not purple or it's not brown,   and it's not orange.   So you should be happy there, Brian.   It's a pencil drawing.  

[01:42:45] Rich Chelson:

Yep. Thankfully, it's not orange.  

[01:42:49] Unknown:

Yes.   And with all the stuff   that you two have been arguing about   tonight   concerning AI   and all the wonderful   things   that   you guys got accomplished with   computers and AI   because that is something that you guys are into.   And I'm not gonna knock you a bit. You know what I did this week?  

[01:43:18] Duuude-Ron :

What did I do this week?  

[01:43:20] Unknown:

Because my name's Jeff.   You did all that? I got a chessboard.  

[01:43:26] Duuude-Ron :

Awesome. I didn't know you played chess.  

[01:43:28] Unknown:

Oh, yeah.   Now I'm not Really? I'm not I'm not,   you know, I'm not a master   by any sense of the word.  

[01:43:38] Duuude-Ron :

Dude, it's been, like, thirty some odd years since I've played chess.   I mean, I know how the pieces move, but strategies and stuff, I'd have to play again to   get back to you.  

[01:43:49] Unknown:

Yeah. Because that's a lost   a lost art.   You know, if you don't use it, you lose it  

[01:43:57] Duuude-Ron :

most definitely. Chess, man. That's fun.  

[01:44:00] Unknown:

Okay. So I'm gonna take a picture of this chest set. And the reason why I bought it   one, I like this chest set. The   and   the one chest set that I would love to have,   I will never   be able to own because they don't make it anymore.  

[01:44:20] Duuude-Ron :

What is it?  

[01:44:21] Unknown:

And that was this chess set that you could buy through I don't remember the name of the company.   Buy one piece at a time,   and it was the Civil War   deuter   chess set.  

[01:44:35] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah. I remember that now. I remember that the Franklin Mint or something. Yeah. The Franklin Mint.  

[01:44:41] Unknown:

Yeah. The Franklin Mint.   Guess what? You'll never see it ever again.   So let's see if I can   take this picture   without a lot of light reflection   on it.   And the reason why I bought   this chess set   and, I mean, these pieces are   heavy because they're metal and  

[01:45:06] Rich Chelson:

Actually, you can still buy it.   It's $315,   $337.  

[01:45:13] Unknown:

Well, you know what? Maybe one day when I collect up $317,   I'm a buy that motherfucker.  

[01:45:19] Rich Chelson:

There's a vintage 1983   Franklin Mint Civil War chest set for a 150.  

[01:45:25] Unknown:

Yeah. But is it pewter?  

[01:45:27] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. It says Franklin Mint. Franklin Mint. Put it Franklin Mint. Okay.  

[01:45:32] Unknown:

I got you.  

[01:45:33] Rich Chelson:

Okay. I would say the one with the case and all that, it's 395   is about to go in price.  

[01:45:39] Unknown:

Yeah. And I would of course, well, I'd get   the the case because the case also has the chessboard on it. Yeah.   Oh, damn it. That picture came out like crap.   Hold on. I'm a send it anyway.  

[01:45:53] Duuude-Ron :

Drink a cup of coffee so you stop shaking, dude.  

[01:45:57] Unknown:

No shit.  

[01:46:00] Duuude-Ron :

You've got too much blood in your coffee system.   That's what causes that.   You're right about that.   Oh, dude. That is shaky as shit.   Oh my god.   Yeah. I I don't think there's anything   in focus on that picture  

[01:46:18] Rich Chelson:

when you bring it. No.  

[01:46:20] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. That is a great,  

[01:46:23] Rich Chelson:

great   experiment in lines.  

[01:46:27] Duuude-Ron :

Yes. It is. Yes. It and and the lighting, actually,   it it  

[01:46:32] Rich Chelson:

I mean, yeah, it looks like you got some it looks like you got some some   some tiger's eye on the bottom   and and some type of, of quartz on top.  

[01:46:44] Duuude-Ron :

Well, it say at the bottom,   I think it's the king. I can't tell what the piece is. And the one on the top is   But it's got the four lines that are in focus. That's about the only thing that's really in focus.  

[01:46:58] Unknown:

Yeah. That's the king.   That's the king.  

[01:47:02] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. But, I mean but, no. It's it's I mean,   even though this is a blurry, fuzzy,   overall shitty looking picture, I kinda like There we go. I kinda like it   because of the lighting structure and and and how   how the lines   go along with everything. It's it's honestly   kind of intriguing to me  

[01:47:26] Unknown:

even though it's blurry as it is. I can't I see what you're saying. Yeah.   Because it looks like   a print or   a striking of a coin   over striking over striking over striking.  

[01:47:41] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:47:43] Unknown:

That's that's nice to see. Pictures that I've got yep.   And take a while to guess why I bought it in the first place.   I don't know. I've been thinking about   I've been thinking about doing this for a long time, and I finally   pulled the trigger, and now I'm actually gonna go and do it. Temple   at the VA,   and I'm sure Biloxi has the same thing,   a soldier's home   Yeah. On a on the on the grounds.   So I thought, you know what? So I said, you know what? I think I need to buy a chess set and go over there and see if anybody wants to play chess.  

[01:48:22] Duuude-Ron :

Dude, that's cool. That's cool as shit.  

[01:48:25] Unknown:

I've been thinking about doing that for a long time.   It's like, you know, I need to get chess board and fucking actually   do that.   So guess what I'm gonna   so   guess what I'm gonna do on Monday?  

[01:48:40] Duuude-Ron :

You're gonna go to the VA and play chess?  

[01:48:43] Unknown:

I'm gonna go to the VA   soldier's home and see if somebody wants to play chess. I understand.   I'm off for the next four days because I had to burn up more vacation   that I had   so I don't lose them.   And on tomorrow,   I'm off, but I got a lot of shit to do, catch up on.   But on Monday,   they got the toy run up.   So  

[01:49:10] Duuude-Ron :

So so you're gonna go play chess and get paid for it? Hell, yeah, dude. That's living life.  

[01:49:18] Unknown:

Well, you you know what? I did not think of it like that.  

[01:49:24] Duuude-Ron :

That's why you that's why you keep me around, dude.  

[01:49:27] Rich Chelson:

Precisely.  

[01:49:29] Unknown:

Yeah. I will get paid   twice chess. Actually   to go play chess.   Twice, I will get paid.   Three times, I will get paid. Three times, I will get paid.  

[01:49:42] Duuude-Ron :

How so?  

[01:49:44] Unknown:

It well, because I'm on vacation from my regular job.   Uh-huh. But I get a retirement   Oh, yeah. Just because I just because I breathe,   and I get my   disability rating from the VA   just because I breathe.   So, actually, I'm getting paid three times   to go play chess. By god, man.  

[01:50:07] Duuude-Ron :

Hell yeah, dude. That's, like, even better.   Oh, Brian. Guess what? Yo. What you got? Because because I know this is the next subject,   and and it won't be as long as the first one we talked about. But but I know I know I mean, dude will listen, but but   dude will be like,  

[01:50:30] Unknown:

Absolutely.   That's it. 120.  

[01:50:33] Duuude-Ron :

I know. But what I'm doing right now, and and it'll be done tomorrow, I am taking   my my   my Solana   off of Kraken.   Okay?  

[01:50:46] Rich Chelson:

K.  

[01:50:47] Duuude-Ron :

And I'm putting it in my own wallet.   Okay?  

[01:50:51] Rich Chelson:

K.  

[01:50:52] Duuude-Ron :

And then I'm gonna stake it on the actual   blockchain.   So there's no more middleman. It's me   going through a validator   on the blockchain   on the Okay. The network.   Right. I didn't know I didn't know I could do that.   Oh. And   and, I mean, this is I mean,   honestly, for me, this is why I had been one you know, I had always wanted to get into crypto.   But, you know, we try you know, I tried Coinbase. I didn't like them. I tried a few other Right.   Tracking was okay, but   I got to   exploring things. And it's like   I was like,   going through someone, that means they're taking a cut of my profits.  



[01:51:38] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah. They all you always do even if you're even if whenever you go on   you know, you transfer you've got to say, like, you have, like, Nunchuck,   which is a Bitcoin wallet that that is   independent. It's just you you own the wallet.   So if you fuck up, you lose all the all the data. You've lost all you've lost all of the all the Bitcoin too. It'll just sit there forever just waiting for you to remember what   Yes. What the password is.   But whenever you whenever you do a sell   or a purchase, it there's still a fee   that's applied   to the to the changing. So, like, if I you take it and you send it off to,   to   Coinbase so that you're able to turn it into actual cash,   the network is still going to charge   a very minuscule amount.  



[01:52:37] Unknown:

Yes. Yes. So And and that is But it's a lot less than with and that's with everything.   Yeah.   Period.  

[01:52:45] Duuude-Ron :

Stop, bonds, doesn't matter. Right. But but hang on. Okay?   The Solana   network,   okay,   to make the transaction whether I buy or sell, Okay? Because I've already researched all this.   They take 4.4   zeros   five,   and I say it like that   so I don't confuse myself. So put a number five down, four zeros in front of it, then a decimal point.   And that is what   that's the fee so long it takes.  

[01:53:20] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[01:53:20] Unknown:

And So four   40,000   thousands   of a percent   is what they  

[01:53:28] Rich Chelson:

take. Or 50,000 because it's a pie. Yeah. 50,000.  

[01:53:32] Unknown:

So yeah.   Yeah. 50  

[01:53:35] Duuude-Ron :

A percent.  

[01:53:37] Rich Chelson:

1,000   Well, 1,000. 1,000. No. 10,000.   500,000.  

[01:53:43] Unknown:

Either way, it's it's something like that. Was a $100   say it's a $100.   Their fee is   a fucking fifth of a penny.  

[01:53:56] Duuude-Ron :

Yes. Pretty much. Yes. Oh, sure. Yeah. A penny.   Okay? Simple math. So, anyway and then   a validator   that that you stake with, you have to look at their numbers and all like that. Some charge commissions, some don't, most don't   that I found,   and,   and everything like that. And   the average right now rate of return is, like, 6.67   APY   percent.   So, I mean,   am I gonna get rich? No.   I'm not.  

[01:54:30] Unknown:

But Okay. So that was a six point what? Why Six  

[01:54:35] Duuude-Ron :

well, right now   and it varies with validators,   but it's hanging around 6.6%   a year.   So what you would put in   and put with the validator,   you'll get   6.6%,   which equals out to about well, for   for about   what I'm about to put in   I'm thinking about putting in. I might adjust it, so it might be a little less.   About every two days,   I wind up and get probably   between 5 and 8¢ a day.   And then that'll go on to   what I've staked,   and then   I'll get   in,   another couple days   after block   finishes,   then I'll,   get the rewards from that.  

[01:55:29] Unknown:

But And that YPA   is obviously gonna go up or down based upon   the currency rate of that particular coin and how many coins you have of it.  

[01:55:41] Duuude-Ron :

It might. I see, that's the thing. That's   right now, what I'm seeing on stakequiz.com   is that most of the validators   are anywhere between   6.2   to 6.75%   APY,   and that is at the validator.  

[01:56:00] Unknown:

That ain't   bad. No. So Yeah. You're not gonna get rich   No. Off of it, but at least you're making something.   See, I did know what you're doing.   Right. For you doing nothing. Yep. Yeah. Except for buying the coin   Right. Or the portion of the coin or whatever.   See? And you did you didn't think I knew shit about that. Well, I don't.  

[01:56:27] Duuude-Ron :

My apologies,   my dude.  

[01:56:32] Unknown:

But when I when I when I come down there next time, I'm gonna   you and I are gonna sit down and create me a kraken and all that so I can start doing the   Bitcoin and Solanas and, you know Okay.   All that all those   Okay. All those different Bitcoins.  

[01:56:50] Duuude-Ron :

Because I've got well, let's see. I've got   four different holdings   right now,   and I've got a small amount of Bitcoin, small amount of ether,   and XRP.   Mhmm.   And, you know, I mean, it it just goes up and down, but,   yeah, it just because   I just I just like,   you know, when I started playing around all this,   and it's like, hold it. What about my crypto?   What am I able to do with my crypto?   I can even   bring up a terminal.   I forget the name of the command I have to use. But it starts a program, and it gives me an actual   ticker   for the   Cycle?  

Yeah. Like like, for   showing me what's,   you know, how much how much Bitcoin it's trading at. You know? Yeah. Okay. I gotcha. Yeah. Trip. And then you can  

[01:57:46] Unknown:

yeah. And then you can you can trade on   or you can   put up x amount of   Bitcoin   for, say,   thirty seconds   of   an option. Is it gonna go up or is it gonna go down?  

[01:58:03] Duuude-Ron :

And you can make   I won't do that again.   I did that for   I did that for a minute, and I lost my ass.   Okay. Well  

[01:58:13] Unknown:

That was Yeah. Okay.   And that's true. If you don't have a team that is analyzing the hell out of that,   yes,   you will.  

[01:58:22] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. No. I,   no. This here this here, it just I mean, basically, it it   tells me what the markets are trading at,   and, you know, it's just, as you know, just runs it runs in the terminal   so I can   look at, you know, if I'm making money or losing money.   Right. Which I mean   which I mean, it doesn't bother me too much.  

[01:58:47] Unknown:

Well, yeah, because you don't have all your   all your apples and or all your eggs in one basket.  

[01:58:55] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:58:56] Unknown:

Yeah. Because okay.   And god only knows you'll probably never have a full Bitcoin because right now, what was it, a 117,000   ish? Oh, no. It it was only 92 earlier today, unless it jumped up. Yeah. Oh. It dropped. Okay. The last time I looked, which has been a couple weeks ago, it was at that,   and now it's down to 92,000   a coin.   So say if you owned   10 coins,   you just lost   freaking   $101,180,000   dollars.  

[01:59:35] Duuude-Ron :

Right. But but okay. Let me ask you this, though. Uh-huh. You say   okay. Let's say let's say you had 10 Bitcoin   at a $117,000   each. Easy math.  

[01:59:47] Unknown:

Yeah. K? Okay.  

[01:59:49] Duuude-Ron :

Alright. That's $11,700.   I know.   I was more than No. It's a 100.  

[01:59:56] Unknown:

Anyway.   Anyway. Anyway.  

[01:59:59] Duuude-Ron :

Anyway.   And it drops to, let's say, 90,000.  

[02:00:04] Unknown:

Right.  

[02:00:05] Duuude-Ron :

Did you   really lose that money? Because No. You don't have a hold on that money.   You have it   digitally.   But Right. You use   can you use that money while it's in   while it's sitting in I mean, I guess you can use it while it's sitting in your wallet.   I don't know   because I've never really tried to buy something with   crypto.  

[02:00:31] Unknown:

So it's not So right there, if you had Fundcoins   in value,   say, if you bought them for   a 117,000   and today's market was 95,000,   you lost a 100 and   no. You lost $17,000.   But, yeah, again,   are you gonna do   minute to minute   by   Most people don't. Yeah. I know. They try to purchase low.   $95,000   right now is kinda on the low side,   and then watch it   go up. But then it's gonna go back down.  

[02:01:11] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[02:01:12] Unknown:

The guy that paid   what the fuck was it? I can't remember how many Bitcoin.   It was, like, 10   Bitcoin   on two   double   double topping   pizzas  

[02:01:28] Rich Chelson:

for two of them. Papa John pizzas?  

[02:01:30] Unknown:

Yeah. That was k. What was it? 10 Bitcoin? 10 Bitcoin.   It's 10 or 20 Bitcoin.   Right.   Exactly.   And now they're at 95,000.   And he had them when they were at 9¢.   And he's just Yeah. Kicking himself in a dick.   But, you know, that's like some of these coins that you can purchase for   0.00015¢.   And even if they   you bought them say you bought a bought a block of a thousand of those, paid a couple dollars,   and in a couple years, there were $10   each. How much money have you made?   Right. Considerable amount.   Yeah.   Yeah. But you can't again,   you can't predict the spot   stock market. You can't predict the   the coin.  

You know?  

[02:02:29] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you see, there was a time when when they started doing this before   the big wheels got into it.   You could   because now if you fart crossways,   the crypto market, like the stock market, tanks.   And then if you fart, you know, if you fart out the left side,   then it fucking, you know, explodes in into   brand new territory.  

[02:02:54] Unknown:

Yeah. Record numbers on the S and P 500 and  

[02:02:59] Duuude-Ron :

the Dow and the Bitcoin. Yeah. Uh-huh. But but you see, that's the thing.   When,   when a crypto came out,   the people who's who, who who has started crypto   didn't want it to happen like this   because they were looking for a form of currency   that wasn't   as volatile as the stock market was.   And it stayed that way for quite a while, and then   then it just it got swallowed up.   And that's why it swings like it does. Yeah. It ran away from itself.  

[02:03:35] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[02:03:37] Duuude-Ron :

So   but, I mean, either way, it's you know, I just I'm scared. I'm like, I've   I found out I could do this, and I could I could stake it right on the blockchain itself.  

[02:03:48] Rich Chelson:

I'll take it. There you go.  

[02:03:52] Duuude-Ron :

I mean, I don't have much. I've only got, like, 1.14.   I'm thinking about switching my XRP to Solana.   And then,   you know, you   know, so I'd have a little more on that.  

[02:04:06] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[02:04:07] Duuude-Ron :

But I don't know. We'll see.   This is all new, so so I'm I'm gonna try   small amount.  

[02:04:14] Unknown:

Yeah. And do the swing when Solano   takes somewhat of a nosedive and you're able   to capture that.   And then when it goes back up,   it goes back up. Not like you're gonna cash it out immediately.  

[02:04:29] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, no.   No.   Because you say you say what I have staked, we'll just keep earning rewards.   So Correct.   As long as as long as the crypto market   is is processing   blocks,   I'm still gonna be earning.   Yeah. Later on down the line,   what is that gonna do for me tax wise? I have no freaking clue.  

[02:04:55] Unknown:

It's not gonna do anything   on your taxes until you sell.   Just like how  

[02:05:02] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[02:05:03] Unknown:

You know,   my house keeps growing in value just because,   you know, that's what houses do for the most part,   unless you're in China.   And then that's just   Yeah. It's just all through the floor.   It's yeah. It gets it's like in the   twentieth   base of hell   right now.  

[02:05:30] Rich Chelson:

Okay. Well this   oh.   Oh, there he is. Once  

[02:05:35] Unknown:

because I went 7.2%   interest rate   to a 3.25   interest rate.   Didn't take any money out, but but   all the equity,   you know,   financed in, you know, all that other stuff.   Right now, I could probably get, as this house   sits,   200 and   probably about $240,000,   $220,000   as it sits.  

[02:06:07] Duuude-Ron :

That's not bad.  

[02:06:09] Unknown:

You know? So I've   double almost doubled   of what I originally purchased it for.   But when I go to sell it, oh, yeah. I'm gonna get fucking killed   in capital gains tax.  

[02:06:23] Duuude-Ron :

What if you take the equity outright before   and move it to a Roth IRA?  

[02:06:31] Unknown:

You know, I I don't know, but  

[02:06:35] Duuude-Ron :

I don't know. Might be some kind of gap.  

[02:06:38] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, I'm not planning on selling a house anytime soon, but still,   what I paid for and what I sell for   doesn't matter how much equity I have in it.   That difference   is your capital gains, period, I think.   But, again, I don't know because I'm not in the real estate   business.  

[02:07:00] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Well, that's that's what I'm saying.   Go talk with the tax attorney   and ask him   what is what is one way I can lessen my tax burden or,   you know,   put it off for a few more years.   You know? And, you know, if they, you know, offer a Roth IRA or, you know,   a mutual fund or whatnot,  

[02:07:23] Unknown:

make the move All I see is oh, okay. I see how you're saying.   Just transfer the money that that I make into a Roth IRA.   Okay. I gotcha.   And then when I start drawing from that,   I get taxed on a smaller   amount   of what I get paid  

[02:07:43] Duuude-Ron :

monthly on an IRA. Okay. I mean, that's the way that's the way my brains work.   So Okay. Yeah. I'll see it. Yeah. I mean, it it might be, might not be that. I do not know, but,  

[02:07:56] Unknown:

you know? And neither do I.   We could just we're just blowing   right now. So you know? Right. But it makes for great conversation, doesn't it?  

[02:08:07] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah.   Makes us sound intelligent.   What a concept. Right?  

[02:08:13] Unknown:

What? It that that is a freaking   that concept is damn near   is   shot up so high in the sky. It's definitely out in outer space.   That's for sure. High.  

[02:08:27] Duuude-Ron :

I still get dizzy.   Not as bad, but I still get dizzy if I look up.  

[02:08:32] Unknown:

Well, I'll I'll look up for you.   That's that's that's how far out we are as far as our   intelligence levels.  

[02:08:45] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, shoot.   So, yeah, that's, pretty much what I've been doing the last couple weeks. It's been frigid down here too.  

[02:08:53] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, it's frigid here. I think the our highs for today was 43.  

[02:09:00] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, damn.  

[02:09:01] Rich Chelson:

Now we was in the fifties.  

[02:09:03] Duuude-Ron :

We was in the fifties.  

[02:09:06] Unknown:

Well, now Saturday and Sunday, we're supposed to be back up into the mid sixties.   Monday and Tuesday,   well, that's gonna be a different story.   We're back down into   the low forties as a high.   No wonder everybody has fucking pneumonia around here.   Right.   Because of the fucking Texas weather.  

[02:09:28] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, guess what, guys? I did I did something else   too.   I got a Christmas tree.   First time Yay.   First time in, like, twenty freaking years.   Okay.  

[02:09:40] Unknown:

Is it one of those tall and tall and skinny ones?  

[02:09:44] Duuude-Ron :

No. No. It's a it's a six foot tree. I mean, it's not huge by no means, but it's a six foot tree. And I got some ornaments because I didn't have no ornaments,   and it it came with lights on it.   And hang on a second.  

[02:10:00] Unknown:

Yeah. Send me a picture.   Because, you know, they have the wide bottoms, and then they have   the narrow bottoms.   I have a narrow bottom, six foot. Oh.   Where, basically, the bottom   is   two thirds the size   of a normal   Christmas tree. Nope.  

[02:10:21] Duuude-Ron :

That,   hang on.   That, that picture that I just put in the chat,   my mind's narrow then, I guess.   Hang on. I'll   I gotta send the picture to me. But,   the picture that I put in the chat,   those are called those are called bubble lights.   And,   when I was a kid  

[02:10:46] Unknown:

I know. They were made back in the twenties and fifties.  

[02:10:49] Duuude-Ron :

I was raised up with with those.   And for a long time, they were banned   Yes. Because they were too hot.   And and so so,   I found them a couple years back, but I didn't have a Christmas tree.   And so I saved that   in my Amazon thing for God knows how long.  

[02:11:11] Rich Chelson:

Okay. And,  

[02:11:12] Duuude-Ron :

I finally ordered a set   of those.   And I've got those on my tree, and, man, I tell you, I I couldn't be happier in anything.   I couldn't because it it's just I mean,   something that   I was raised on as a kid, man.  

[02:11:29] Unknown:

Then that gave you   a great memory of your childhood.   Yep. I remember those lights. We had them too.  

[02:11:37] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. That   yeah. It's funny.   I've met a lot of people who have never had them.   Okay. Hang on here. I mean  

[02:11:46] Unknown:

Yeah. I remember them. I remember those lights. We had them.   I was a good kid.  

[02:11:52] Duuude-Ron :

Brian   Brian, do   you ever have those lights?  

[02:11:56] Rich Chelson:

The the bubble style?   Yeah.   No. We don't we didn't ever actually have them, but I have seen them plenty of times.  

[02:12:04] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.   Okay. Yeah. I admit I admit a lot of people that had never had those in their life, and I'm like, oh my god.   That's like  

[02:12:13] Unknown:

Didn't I didn't have a freaking clue   of what they even were.  

[02:12:18] Duuude-Ron :

No. No. I had shown them a picture, and even when I showed them a picture, no. I've never seen those. Oh, you're missing out because when they when they get warm, they start bubbling, man. It's awesome. It's, like, fucking cool.  

[02:12:31] Unknown:

Yeah. You have a narrow base tree, kinda like mine.  

[02:12:34] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Okay. I didn't know. But oh,   speaking of   guess what?   I learned something. And I'm gonna pass this information on to y'all   because this   it doesn't matter what operating system you have.   And I'm gonna be talking about permissions   for your different apps and stuff.  

[02:12:56] Rich Chelson:

K.  

[02:12:57] Duuude-Ron :

Because   earlier this week,   I lost every one of my fucking emails in Gmail.  

[02:13:04] Rich Chelson:

Wow.   How'd you accomplish that?  

[02:13:07] Duuude-Ron :

Well Totally. When   when I was setting   up all of this,   you know, when I switched to Linux and stuff,   I   used a calendar app   that that was built in.   Well, I had to download some, some extra files. Well, they did that.   But and I didn't think about it. Like like, we don't think about   looking at permissions.   We're like, we just wanna get it done. Click. Click. Click. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.   Well, one of these   add ons   wanted full control   over my email.   Read, write, delete, everything.   And somehow   and I think it was I think I had clicked something in my calendar app,   and that extra file   wiped all my emails out of my Gmail.  

All of them. Even   even the link for this   for this Zoom video right here we're doing   Right. Was gone.   It was gone. And I'm like, oh my god. So   so I jumped on Gemini, and I'm like,   how can I fix this? You know? Because, I mean, I had never dealt with this before.   And and so I got a few ideas trying that. Nothing. Nothing. Even went to   Google themselves because Google has a has a recovery tool.   And and if if the emails are still on the Google server,   they can   bring them back.   Now   mine were even erased off the server.   I'm like, holy shit.  

The only other option I had and I tried it, and it worked.   And, honestly,   I found an old tablet,   okay, that I had.   Hadn't been turned on in, I don't know, a year, six months at least.   And it   it had all of the older emails I was saving   still on it. Right?   So I made sure it was off   the Wi Fi was off. Okay?   And   I turned everything on, opened up my email,   and I found   the e the emails,   like the one for this video link   Uh-huh. And everything and and a few others I was saving.   And   I wound up,   while not hooked to the Internet,   I wound up forwarding   those emails   to myself,   okay, with   the Internet off.  

And then I also saved them to the tablet. So if if that didn't work, then I would have a backup, and I could just still send them to myself. But when I turned the email on or   turned the Internet on,   and then I went and pushed for a to process.   Okay. And   and and and I had disabled the the couple programs   that I had given the permissions to. Totally removed them so I didn't have to worry about them.   Turn turn the Internet back on,   did a resync,   and it brought those emails back for me.   Oh, there you go. That was I was like, oh my god. I I mean, serious. My freaking inbox was clean, dude.   I mean, it was clean like a fresh pair of bought drawers.  

It was I was   I was nervous for a minute.   I mean, it was it was nothing major major.   You know? I mean,   I know all I had to do was say, hey, Brian. I need you to send me a link to I removed that link.   Well, no. I didn't. But,   you know, in another program that I gave permission to did, so so that's why I'm saying,   if you're gonna install anything and they want permissions,   read those permissions.  

[02:17:00] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah.  

[02:17:02] Duuude-Ron :

Because, I mean,   I I don't know how many millions of times   I've downloaded some. Yeah. Yeah. Just accept. Just accept.   Not now.   It's like, nope. Screw you, dude. You ain't getting Yeah. See,  

[02:17:17] Unknown:

I don't allow any permissions of   anything   if I download   the the the fucking   whatever.  

[02:17:26] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right. Well,   I learned the hard way. And, I mean, I was   I was glad to get it   you know, get back the   the few the few emails   that I wanted.   You know, the rest were like, okay. Fine. I'll just I'll just start over because, you know, I I was keeping them, but it wasn't   it wasn't nothing,   you know,   terrible.  

[02:17:51] Unknown:

Yeah. Debts are mortal if you lost them.  

[02:17:53] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. But these here is like, no. I really wanna keep these.  

[02:17:59] Unknown:

So Well, at least at least you're able   to get them back.  

[02:18:04] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Yeah. It was. But, yeah, it was   it was weird when I'd open up Gmail and not see an email in there. It was freaking weird.  

[02:18:14] Rich Chelson:

Mhmm.  

[02:18:14] Duuude-Ron :

I had never seen a clean inbox, man.   I mean,   what? It's been, fuck,   fifteen years since I've had a zero clean inbox.   Maybe not even then or more than that maybe. I don't know. It's it's been that long.   But yeah. So   word to the wise to anyone who's listening. Check your freaking permissions. I don't give a damn what operating system you're running.   Check your damn permissions.   That's the PSA of the night.  

[02:18:50] Unknown:

Good PSA?  

[02:18:52] Duuude-Ron :

I thought so.   Dude, what's your tip of the day?  

[02:18:56] Rich Chelson:

We we We haven't asked you that in a while. Yeah.  

[02:19:00] Duuude-Ron :

Come on, dude.  

[02:19:02] Unknown:

People I see. Hear your wisdom.   Hear my wisdom.   Yeah. I'll have to get back with you on that one. I got and I got about   fifteen minutes to do it.   Heard again. It's going much. It'll be it'll be traffic start thinking pretty quick.   Yeah. It it'll be traffic related.  

[02:19:23] Duuude-Ron :

I'll spray your wings a little.  

[02:19:28] Unknown:

I don't know. I got T Rex wings.  

[02:19:34] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Oh, I got my I got my drones, both my drones updated and   all like that.   Because as it stands right now, on the December 23,   well, there'll be no new DJI   drones   coming to America.   Mhmm.   And   read a couple articles they were talking about.   The Apple Store and,   Google Play Store might have to pull   the apps, the, DJI Fly apps.   It depends.  

[02:20:07] Rich Chelson:

Don't know. Oh, that's no anno.  

[02:20:09] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Or or   updates? Because   because you see, basically, what it okay. Check this out. Basically,   the federal government   has   tried to maintain this narrative now for   the last, what, three years, Brian? Three, four years. Yeah. Yeah. And, basically,   they're saying that that DJI, which is a Chinese company,   they are only out to it's a national security issue   and that they are trying   to get all the information they can to, you know, help Chinese out.   And this whole time, DJI   America,   because DJI has an actual   corporation   in America ringed by Americans,   mostly Americans. There's, you know, some Chinese, Japanese, whatever on the payroll, whatever, and that's fine.  

And they have told the federal government   at every turn. They've given them every piece of information they wanted   that the government's wanted. They said, here, open look at our books.   Open it up. They won't do it.   They don't have a leg to stand on, but   Judge or someone   there was a ban that was proposed a few years back   that was supposed to shut DJI down, and it had been   kept being pushed,   you know, for one year out, one year out, one year out.   And,   basically, this is the end of it.   And   this thing says that if that if DJI   can get   any company,   anybody   in The US   to do an audit,   they won't pull the products   or, you know, make this ban go through.  

No one   has taken this up.   And   I don't know why because   in the article I read, the one   the there's a couple   drone manufacturers   that are built here in America.   One of them costs   that has   that has about the same specs as a DJI drone, but it's a lot bigger, so it has to be part one zero seven certified.   It's $5,000   plus.   The other company,   Skydideo   Something like that. Yeah. That's the one Thomas has.   Okay?   They   their quality is not as good as DJI's.   Their prices are higher. Well, I just read they backed out of the consumer market because no one was buying their drones. I wonder why you got   not good specs and high ass prices. No one's gonna buy your shit.  

Right. And and so they've gone to the military side because they can make more money on the military side.   So   I don't the   there's no comparison   to DJI   right now,   but   no one's gonna do an audit on DJI even though DJI   wants them to do an audit,   but no one's gonna do it and let the band go into effect.   And the Mini five Pro is out,   I   think I think it's going out in I think it's   out here in America,   but that'll be the last drone   the last DJI drone   to be allowed   in America if something doesn't change in nineteen days.  

[02:23:45] Unknown:

Well,   DJI,   can all can't they just well,   I know the the fucking   this question is like   going and asking your new   say you're the driver trainer and asking your new driver to go fucking pick up a load of sail sailboat   fuel.  

[02:24:07] Rich Chelson:

Alright.  

[02:24:08] Unknown:

You know, why can't they just fucking change the name?  

[02:24:12] Duuude-Ron :

Because it's still   everyone still knows it as a, Chinese company.  

[02:24:19] Unknown:

Okay. So   are we manufacturing   the data and the chips in The United States?  

[02:24:25] Duuude-Ron :

No.   Oh, okay.   No. No. The no. The chips are, like, I think the chips are manufactured in, like, Thailand or   Hong Kong. I mean, it's it's it's it's like every fucking thing else.   Okay?   It's all   all the parts are made different places and is brought to one central place, wherever that may be in this world, and assembled   and then shipped out.  

[02:24:51] Unknown:

Whether it's a SUV. Yeah.  

[02:24:54] Duuude-Ron :

Chevy, GMC,   all of them.  

[02:24:56] Unknown:

Yeah. See, Ford is not made in America anymore.  

[02:25:00] Duuude-Ron :

Well, no. It hasn't been for years.  

[02:25:03] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Decades.  

[02:25:05] Duuude-Ron :

Yes. I know this.  

[02:25:07] Unknown:

They've just been assembled in The United States. Yeah. But  

[02:25:12] Duuude-Ron :

but see, that's the thing now.   You see, that's the thing.   Just because   of   a few   people got this wild hair up their ass and think that, oh,   DJI   is trying to steal state secrets and   why I don't know. I mean, they've got their own people living over here. They got spies living over here. They can get all the information they want,   get sent back to them. But yet, they have to attack a drone manufacturer   because, oh my god, the American companies who couldn't produce   a quality   product   at a reasonable   price because   and and this has been true, and I'm I'm not knocking American made products.  

Okay?   But as a fact that we have priced our own sales   out of every market   because we put too high of a value   on the shit we make.  

[02:26:11] Unknown:

Well and what is that partly going into?   Labor rates.  

[02:26:16] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[02:26:17] Unknown:

Right. You know?   Okay.   How much do you think   a Chinese worker working at DGI   makes   a day?  

[02:26:29] Duuude-Ron :

I don't know.  

[02:26:31] Unknown:

Okay. If they make 500   yuan a day,   that calculates to be   divide 500 by 17.7.  

[02:26:45] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   K. Hold on. Yeah. $505,100.  

[02:26:52] Unknown:

That's that's   for one day.   500   divided by   7.7   equals   they will have made for the day   $65.  

[02:27:07] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[02:27:08] Unknown:

Okay. That's a 500 yuan.   Hold on. Let's see.   My ballpark  

[02:27:16] Duuude-Ron :

Well, they're saying   DJI   workers at, DJI, of course, they vary.  

[02:27:23] Rich Chelson:

Mhmm.  

[02:27:25] Duuude-Ron :

Estimated monthly income,   and their their pay is heavily dependent on overtime hours   between 830   to $1,250   a month.  

[02:27:36] Unknown:

Yeah. Because that's about 4 to   4 to well,   yeah, 4,000   you on.   Let's see. Hold on.   4,000   divided   by 17.7   equals   that 4,000   yuan   for a month, roughly,   is $225.   And you said how much do they  

[02:28:04] Duuude-Ron :

Well, the average person, they say,   makes between $8.30 and $12.50,   and   starting pay starts at $3.50 a month   or 2,520,  

[02:28:16] Unknown:

young.   How much you want?  

[02:28:20] Duuude-Ron :

2,520   for $350   a month.  

[02:28:25] Unknown:

So we'll say   10,500,   you said, roughly?  

[02:28:30] Duuude-Ron :

Or  

[02:28:32] Unknown:

Divided by 70   17.7   equals   $593.   If they make 10,000 yuan,   roughly, they're making   $590   a month.  

[02:28:47] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[02:28:48] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[02:28:49] Unknown:

What would $590  

[02:28:51] Duuude-Ron :

a month pay get you in The United States? Oh, you see, that's the thing, though. You can't you can't compare China to The Unite   US because of the cost of living.  

[02:29:02] Unknown:

You're right.   I get you.   But   how much is minimum wage for   fast food workers in California?   $20 an hour. But $20 an hour.   And by 2030,   it'll be $30 an hour minimum wage.   But how much are you gonna?   Well, maybe.   How much are you how much are you paying for a   fucking Big Mac   meal   in California?   One Big Mac and a fry,   medium fry, and a medium Coke.   $18.   18 motherfucking dollars, I think.   Yeah. They're pricing themselves   out of   they're pricing the fast food industry into bankruptcy is what they're doing in California at least.   7 plus dollars a gallon for gas?  



[02:29:59] Duuude-Ron :

But see there again, that's where that's where it's hard to   you know,   over in China I mean, yes. Granted, $3.50 a month is,   you know, is low   or whatnot. I'm not, you know, I'm not saying that, but, you know, the cost of living because, like, $350   a month over in, like, The Philippines,   you can   live   kinda well on it.   You know?   You can't live top tier like we could, you know, if we went over there.  

[02:30:31] Unknown:

Correct.  

[02:30:33] Duuude-Ron :

And, actually, in The Philippines, there's more people that live on less.   So   it says,   overall, the cost of living in China is roughly 40 to 60%   lower than in The United States.   And Chinese salaries, on the average, are about a quarter to a third   of US salaries.   So  

[02:30:55] Unknown:

And and going back to the product, you make it in America.   And   for somebody that wants $20 an hour  

[02:31:04] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[02:31:06] Unknown:

You know,   versus somebody that it that they're paying for,   you know,   $40 a day or   yeah.  

[02:31:17] Duuude-Ron :

Well, hold on here. Okay. Look at this.   If you make $5,500   a month here in The US.   Okay? Uh-huh.   In China, that same $5,500   is their $1,500.   So so if they're making $1,500   a month, they're living pretty damn well.  

[02:31:39] Unknown:

Okay. What do they say the exchange rate is   for the from the dollar to yawn?  

[02:31:45] Duuude-Ron :

Bring on.   As of December   2025,   14¢.   So 1 Chinese yuan   is 14¢.  

[02:31:56] Unknown:

K. So   let me get my calculator out. Let's see. And   teen times   17   0.7.   No.  

[02:32:08] Duuude-Ron :

So, yeah, we'd be living pretty good.  

[02:32:11] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   Except for the fact that,   we wouldn't be able to hardly do anything.   Well We lived in China.  

[02:32:20] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you well, you see this I mean, there again. I mean, what   there's a lot of things that they can't do over there that we can and vice versa.  

[02:32:31] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. There's a lot of stuff that they   that   you can't do over there.  

[02:32:37] Unknown:

Because of the government.  

[02:32:39] Duuude-Ron :

Yep.   Yeah. It's been that way for centuries.  

[02:32:43] Rich Chelson:

Well, yeah. Much.  

[02:32:45] Unknown:

And   if for whatever reason,   you know, I had the   wanted to live in China,   there   there's one reason why I never would,   because you can't get fucking cheap parts.  

[02:33:07] Duuude-Ron :

No. You could probably pay someone about   $5 and have them make it for you.  

[02:33:13] Rich Chelson:

Probably so. I don't know. I'm just guessing, but, you know It'd be a truly custom made part too because they would make it from scratch.   Right. Oh, yeah. Someone go out to some black beach that's got a bunch of iron and sift out all the iron and melt the iron down. And  

[02:33:28] Unknown:

Well, it's amazing what they can do with in Pakistan, what they can do with the 55   the metal from a 55 gallon   drum.  

[02:33:38] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[02:33:40] Rich Chelson:

That's amazing what they can do without shoes.  

[02:33:43] Duuude-Ron :

I know. Right?  

[02:33:45] Rich Chelson:

I mean, some of this stuff is Walk around in flip flops of of all that. I mean, it's like, come on, man.  

[02:33:51] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. With with 4,000 degree heat. What's up?  

[02:33:55] Unknown:

Yeah. Walking around with flip flops,   fucking making marbles.  

[02:33:59] Rich Chelson:

Making marbles. They're they're they're repairing the the 37   leaf springs they have they, on the on a truck.   And that's just one side. They've got the other side due after lunch. Yeah. They still gotta do the other side. And then, you know and on top of that, they've got you can definitely tell those U bolts have been reused at least four different times   because none of them are straight.  

[02:34:25] Unknown:

Yeah. So true. You know why they're doing all those leaf springs to make the trucks look like that?  

[02:34:31] Rich Chelson:

It was   to make those trucks as rigid as possible so it'll hold the   hold the the extra tonnage that they throw on the back of those trucks. You've seen some of those trucks. They'll they'll have they'll have them, you know,   two stories tall.   I'll we're gonna buy all the stuff and other people.  

[02:34:50] Unknown:

Well and the reason why they're putting so many leaf springs   and jacking the back of those trucks up   is because   trying to prevent theft of somebody on a moped   coming up from behind and fucking taking   the the cargo   off the truck.  

[02:35:09] Duuude-Ron :

True.  

[02:35:11] Unknown:

That's It could. Yeah. That's that's the reason why they're stacking those rear ends so high.   Absolutely. That So That and yeah. You know,   having a truck that's rated for 26,000   pounds and put a 150,000   pounds on it. Yeah. Exactly.  

[02:35:32] Duuude-Ron :

On a 100 inch Yeah. Your wheelbase.  

[02:35:34] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[02:35:39] Unknown:

Airbags   just airbags just ain't gonna do it. Ain't gonna cut it.  

[02:35:44] Duuude-Ron :

You can't put enough airbags   in that short of distance.  

[02:35:49] Rich Chelson:

Nope. So   but, anyhow, I guess it is time we start getting this big old bird landed   so that, y'all can go about. I know you've still got at least one more round to do for tomorrow there,   dude.   And, Rich, I'm sure   Bella would really, really, really love to have a walk in done tomorrow.   So you know?  

[02:36:10] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. She would, but it's supposed to rain all day tomorrow. We'll see. Yeah. Well, that's what an umbrella's for.  

[02:36:19] Unknown:

You can always get her some galoshes.  

[02:36:22] Rich Chelson:

Heck yeah. They get they make doggy they make doggy raincoats.  

[02:36:26] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, I don't doubt it, but I don't think she'd like that.  

[02:36:31] Unknown:

So I I could just imagine I could just imagine how she would walk with galoshes on.  

[02:36:39] Duuude-Ron :

So if I ever get some, I will take video of it   and send it to you.  

[02:36:44] Unknown:

Yep. That would be funny.   Alright, Brian.  

[02:36:48] Rich Chelson:

Anyhow, so it is   time to, to bring this big old bird down. And I wanna say to everybody who is listening and has made it this far, thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy day to see what the world three vets have to say   to each other about whatever in the world comes to mind, whether it's AI, the glories of it, or the pitfalls of it, whether that's too orange, too brown, too green, too, you know,   too phase or whatever.   It is always   fun to have conversations just to pick out, you know, what's what's the other folks gonna say. I mean, everybody knows I'm pretty much gonna be on the side of dog and dog and AI. I'm the, I'm the Luddite,   which but interestingly enough, Luddites were not actually against technology.  

They were actually for for the workers.   But but, yeah, I'm a I'm   kind of like a Luddite in in that fashion. It's like, yeah. AI's got its perks. It's got its its its qualities, but   most people are using it for for really sad ends. And   it's it's   kind of the, downfall of society that's coming up here fairly quick at the rate we're going.   So but with that, we got   this show is not   AI generated. It's not run by   AI. All three of us sit down once a week, and we have a great and grand and wonderful conversation that   will go   anywhere and everywhere all at once.  

And with that,   if you notice for the last three hours, we haven't gone off and talked about   mattresses, or we haven't suddenly in the middle of a of a sentence,   suddenly jumped into a McDonald's commercial or or anything like that.   We don't do   advertisements   because, one,   I don't want really care to have y'all run off to some other website so that you could do whatever it is they want you to do.   We want you to stay here with us and listen to what we have to say. Come to our website and start having a community there.   And to be able to do that, though, we can't be selling   and having sponsors. Because once sponsors are censorship,   you can't say what you really think   because if the if the sponsor was was the was, like, competitor to DJI, we're like, yeah. Their stuff sucks.  

You know, great big donkey dicks.   You know, we'd probably lose our sponsor here really quick if we were to actually express our thoughts about, you know, the other   drone manufacturers out there.   So we are instead of   doing   the sponsorship,   interrupting our lines of thought for for   whoever the sponsor of the minute is, we're not gonna choke this place up with 37 different   commercials like YouTube does.   We just   point over to you and go, dude, if you found any type   of value   in what you heard about today, whether it got you to laugh, cry, think, groan,   you know, anything to that line,   then   pay it back.  

And you can pay it back in several different ways. You can tell people, hey. There's this show called two grumpy bets and a dude, and it's a interesting show. They talk about weird stuff. I think they're wrong about 99%   of the time, but that one percent's kinda   interesting. You can share it out, share it out with your friends, share it out onto your on the social media from sites that you're on,   and just let folks know about us. Now there's also the the three t's   of value for value.   If you found value in what we're doing,   provide value back by either using by   contributing some time, helping us with creating   chapters   or things like that.  

Talent, which is if you're able to create your these if you're a good prop jockey and you wanna create   some some AI driven art,   you know what? Be my guest. Yeah. I'd I'm not a fan of AI, but if you wanna create it out, create some I'm not gonna poo poo you   all that much. I may a little bit I I can't help myself.   So, yeah, I'll probably go, wow. But that's a lot of English. That's   a whole lot of orange, but still, I would be greatly appreciative   if you do. And that gives us a line of being able to have communications and talking and have a dialogue, and that's that's also part of   creating that value for you.  

So we take what you do and we comment on it, and you have you take what we say and you comment back to us, and we have a back and forth.   Now the third way is   through treasure, and this is if you've got a   a   got some some money that you wanna be able   to give to us and and so that we can cover different types of bills that come with   with hosting a, a podcast,   that would help out tremendous.   And that   be able to do that if you've got a podcasting a modern podcasting app, you can get any you can get one over at podcastapps,   with an s@theend,.com.  

There's a big list, and you can choose funding.   Another one is live item tag. Those are both really good features that   legacy apps do not have.   You can hit the funding, which is support this show. And when you click on that, it'll actually bring up our PayPal page. And there, you can actually   just choose   how much you wanna give.   We're not we don't make a demand of it being $7 and a a a show or anything like that. It's what do you think? Is it, you know, 25¢?   Okay. Well, thank you. Is it $25,000?   Well, okay. Thank you. You know, that we have   we have no limit   as to what you want what you could provide.  

If you find that you found some value, what is that value worth?   And   give back. That's just that's how this thing works. It's just very cyclical. You provide value, we provide value back.   We provide value, you provide value back, and rinse and repeat over and over and over again. And the more we have people doing that, all of a sudden, we start getting a bigger   community going, and that's saying, you know, we have this whole   movement of everybody coming together and and saying hi, and we started having little catch phrases that everybody talks about and shares, and we just kinda grow from there. So   with that, I wanna say thank you again. If you wanna have any comments or questions, you can get a hold of me at circle cast, that's circlecast@gmail.com.  

You wanna get ahold of Rich, that is r chelson, that's chelson@gmail.com.   Or if you wanna get ahold of the dude, then send an email over to us because nobody knows dude's email address. I don't even dude, I don't think he fully knows what his email address is either. So but, anyhow, you can get ahold of all of us. We'd love to comment and have discussions based upon the topics that you provide too. So, Rich, what do you have to say? Oh, not too much. I just again, yeah, we, yeah, we had we had a break there for a minute, but we're back and oh, yeah. Hey. Far forget because I know I was I knew I knew I was almost forgot this, Brian.  

[02:44:34] Duuude-Ron :

And, dude, next week, I might be late getting on because I've got I had moved my piano lesson to Thursday  

[02:44:42] Rich Chelson:

next week. Oh, okay.  

[02:44:43] Duuude-Ron :

And   and I won't get back from Mobile till, like,   right at seven. So   I might be   five, ten, fifteen minutes late, but I'll get everything fired up and,   you know, I'll be on then. So okay. Sorry. I just I just wanted to say that before I forgot because I was fixing to forget. But, anyway, thank y'all for listening, and glad y'all are still listening. And tell your friends, tell your family, tell your loved ones. Just freaking tell everybody.   Let them figure out what two grumpy vets and a dude are just about.   Because, obviously,   you love us enough to keep coming back   and keep listening, so share it out.  

You know? I mean, I understand this is, you know, the holidays for a lot of people in   different areas and stuff like that. But either way,   share this out. Hey. Give this as a gift to one of your friends.   Maybe maybe someone you don't really like. Who knows? We might change your mind, and you might begin to like them. But, you know, hey. Just a thought. Anyway,   yeah, send us an email. Like like Brian said, you can send it to me, rChelsea@Gmail.com.   And I have my email back, so and I'm not gonna lose them again, so I won't I promise I won't lose your email.   Or you can send it to brian@circlecastatgmail.com.  

And   the dude yeah. Like like Brian said,   we're not even sure if dude fully knows his email address. He just,   I guess, has to start typing and   something pops up. He's like, yeah. That's good enough. He just clicks it. So Cool stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Just   just send it to me or Brian, and we will make sure the dude gets it, and you can partake in his wisdom   of the day. So that's about all I got. Thank you again.   Keep coming back, and keep sharing this out. Dude, what you got, man?  

[02:46:43] Unknown:

Well, I think you and Brian have pretty well   covered   every basis. The only thing that I can really   add to this is, gentlemen, it is   always nice to have these   debated   conversations   that we have on a weekly basis and allowing individuals to come and join our   itty bitty world of knowledge and wisdom and   talking points, and   glad you come and stay and listen to us each week. And, again, like what Rich said, you know, tell your friends, family, etcetera.   Let them know, and they may like the conversations that you are enjoying. So   with that, I'll give this back to Brian.  



[02:47:27] Rich Chelson:

Alright.   Well,   gentlemen, I appreciate you terrible tremendously and terribly greatly in wonderful ways for y'all coming on and and   let us have, let us all talk again.   And I can't wait to be able to see what y'all, have tomorrow. Hopefully,   Rich will be able to make it on. It won't be too terribly late behind the   after the start after he gets finished with his with his lessons. So   one day, we're just gonna have him we're our whole show is gonna be a three hour concert done by Rich, so that'll be a rocking time. So that's what I'm looking forward to.   That's gonna be a minute. Three hours of chopsticks is you know? Bath.  

Yeah. Better get started on it now. Better get started now. So but, anyhow,   Rich, Ron, I appreciate y'all both y'all coming on, sitting down, and talking, and, can't wait to talk to y'all, next week.   So with that, I'll go ahead and let everyone go. Y'all take care. We will talk to y'all then.   So till then,  

[02:48:29] Duuude-Ron :

bye.   Later.  

[02:48:32] Rich Chelson:

Peace out. Alright, guys. Catch y'all then. Alright. Alright. Have a good weekend. You too. Alright.