Two Grumpy Vets and a Duuude

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In this week’s Two Grumpy Vets (and the Duuude), we kick back for a sprawling, funny, and surprisingly heartfelt hang. We start with life updates and a beloved dog named Bella, then meander into cooking wins (breakfast casseroles, 7-Up cake, and vintage church cookbooks), the Mandela Effect, and a triumphant return to roller skating—complete with hard vs. soft wheels and sore muscles. From there, we free-range into civil discourse, free speech, news fatigue, and how to stay grounded: focus on living well, learning openly, and disagreeing without being disagreeable. We also riff on podcast stats, listener shoutouts from around the world, and the joy of making a show that feels like three friends on a porch at sunset, solving (and laughing at) the world’s problems together.

Expect humor, a few spicy takes, a dose of faith and history chat, and a reminder that friendship, curiosity, and a good casserole can go a long way.

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[00:00:01] Bryan Goodwin:

Hey, man. Hello, and welcome to Two Grumpy Vets and a Duuude, this is a show that each week allows for three friends to get together and live life intentionally.   We do this by throwing a little social commentary   with our own weird sense of humor and our thoughts together   to show folks that living having weekly conversations   is a good way to help   each other out, help men become better men. And so now on with the show with Bryan,   Rich, and the dude.  

[00:00:34] Rich Chelson:

Alright. We're recording in progress.  

[00:00:37] Bryan Goodwin:

Mister Brian. Hey. Hey. What's it going on?   Not too much. Raining off and on. Yeah. I saw that you were getting you were getting a little wet.  

[00:00:48] Duuude-Ron :

It I mean, it hasn't been too bad today. So we got about half inch, what, yesterday, I think.   Oh, wow. No. And we got about the same today, give or take.  

[00:00:58] Bryan Goodwin:

Okay.  

[00:00:59] Duuude-Ron :

So yeah. No. I mean, nothing to really talk about.   Right. I mean, this is the first rain we've had in, what, over a month. Yeah. I was gonna say you've got you had kind of a dry a dry,  

[00:01:11] Rich Chelson:

dry month there in August. So  

[00:01:14] Duuude-Ron :

No. It didn't hurt my feelings none at all. I didn't have to mow.  

[00:01:18] Bryan Goodwin:

I was looking at, looking at the, the rain gauge app that I have and for, for ceiling. And   for the past month, they've had a little almost five inches is what it was. Not Wow.   So, yeah, I was like,   jeez.   For me and for me in the High Plains, they're darn near flooded.  

[00:01:38] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right.  

[00:01:40] Bryan Goodwin:

And there sounds like dude showed up.   Dude.  

[00:01:46] Rich Chelson:

Dude.   Here at AM,   blood pressure, cholesterol,   tea in China.   All the good stuff. Okay. All the good stuff. Yeah. Everything but wages.  

[00:01:59] Duuude-Ron :

Wages ain't never gonna go up, man. So you might as well just   shut the door on that one.   Or win the lottery.  

[00:02:07] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, that could be But you gotta spend money to win the lottery. So yeah. Well, I do, but, you know,  

[00:02:13] Rich Chelson:

I don't spend a lot.   Maybe, like,   $2 a week.   I don't even spend that.  

[00:02:21] Bryan Goodwin:

I am not aware of any of the tax.  

[00:02:23] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Well, you know, talk to the guy in   Fredericksburg,   Texas   that won   $500,000,000.  

[00:02:33] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.  

[00:02:35] Rich Chelson:

So   lucky bastard.  

[00:02:38] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Yeah. I'll give you that.   Yep.  

[00:02:42] Duuude-Ron :

That's   oh, good for him.  

[00:02:45] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.   Kinda what I thought too. Like, what's good for him?  

[00:02:49] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. There was one person in Fredericksburg,   Texas and somebody in Missouri. Missouri or someplace. Yeah. Yeah. That one.   So kinda fucked my hopes up for winning.  

[00:03:04] Duuude-Ron :

But that's okay. It'll get back up there again. Just calm down there.  

[00:03:09] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. You did set read, though, that   if you get it, you wanna go ahead and get the one lump sum because you don't wanna have it paid out because the company that did the payout went bankrupt.  

[00:03:19] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Rich. I'm bad debt.  

[00:03:22] Bryan Goodwin:

So I'm like, oh, damn it.  

[00:03:25] Rich Chelson:

Oh, that's that's the only way I would ever take it as a lump sum   because then   I can make interest on that money instead of that company that went bankrupt   Right. Earning earning interest on your money.  

[00:03:39] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.   Yeah.  

[00:03:41] Rich Chelson:

Gee, that's kinda like Social Security, isn't it?   Let's rob Pretty damn close.   Let's rob Peter to pay Paul and   yeah.   I'll be lucky if I see it.   So   but, yeah, that's a  

[00:03:56] Bryan Goodwin:

so what's been happening in y'all's world?  

[00:03:59] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, Bella's been, like, trying to shrink back into herself.   Bella is?   Yeah.   There's been   little bit of thunder. Nothing bad,   but  

[00:04:12] Bryan Goodwin:

little bit Oh, yeah. That's right. She didn't like she didn't like storms.  

[00:04:15] Rich Chelson:

No.   Did you look into those earmuffs yet?  

[00:04:19] Bryan Goodwin:

No. Not those Thunder buddy?  

[00:04:21] Duuude-Ron :

No. I've got a thunder shirt on her, though. Oh, okay.   I mean, it it,   you know,   it seems to help, but   oh, shit.   I mean,   the dial, you know, wants to be glued to my hip  

[00:04:36] Bryan Goodwin:

twenty four seven anyway. So Yep. So you gotta learn how to work with on a you gotta get all turn all your chairs into loveseats.  

[00:04:44] Duuude-Ron :

No.  

[00:04:45] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.   That way she can be sitting there right beside you while you're doing stuff.   No. No problem. Yeah. Yeah. That's how it works. No. That's called going outside and play.   Well, but you don't like to go outside play. For her.  

[00:04:59] Duuude-Ron :

I buy toys for her.  

[00:05:02] Bryan Goodwin:

And Yeah. But she is one of those kids that she's a social butterfly. She's not a she's not a not a a,   a loner.  

[00:05:11] Duuude-Ron :

You're saying you're saying she's a millennial or a Gen z or a Gen a or what whatever. Oh, no. No. She's more like Gen x. She likes to be around other people.  

[00:05:22] Bryan Goodwin:

She's not like a like a a Zoomer or,   Zoomer who has who wants to sit there in the room the whole time doing nothing. Oh, okay. Okay. She she's gotta get out amongst the people, man. She wants to be around her folks.  

[00:05:35] Duuude-Ron :

Well, no. I get that. You know? And   but,   yeah, I freaking got her a toy the other day, and   it was it was a turkey.   Right?   It's now a one legged turkey.  

[00:05:50] Bryan Goodwin:

She had she had a drumstick,  

[00:05:53] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, by god. She   she had that one leg   freaking torn off in just a minute.  

[00:06:01] Bryan Goodwin:

You might look at getting her one of those, like, Kongs   or or, like, the super rugged Kongs.   I've got them.  

[00:06:09] Duuude-Ron :

I've got them.  

[00:06:11] Bryan Goodwin:

She really doesn't mess with them. Have you filled it with peanut butter and dog treats?   Yes.   Okay. And she's still not BigVaughnett.  

[00:06:20] Duuude-Ron :

I mean, I mean, she's the dog treats and and the peanut butter, and after that, that's about it. Well, there you go.  

[00:06:28] Bryan Goodwin:

Because that's what we've always done with rain was   we put   glob of peanut butter in there and then fill it up with a bunch of dog treats and then put another glob of peanut butter on top, throw it in the freezer so it freezes.   And then when cruel. And then then give it to her and let her go to work on it.  

[00:06:44] Duuude-Ron :

I can keep her. Well Be a tongue of hers. Well, you can get the get clear that whole damn tube out. Well, no. It's it's I I get that, but you see, that's the thing. I could give it to her. And then if I even attempt to, like, walk out on the front porch Oh, yeah. Because,   Bella does this in the mornings.   I put food in her bowl. Right?   Uh-huh. I fill it up the first time.   And if I walk towards the door, she will either scarf it down as much as she can and then run outside  

[00:07:19] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.  

[00:07:20] Duuude-Ron :

Or or she'll eat it, and then I'll fill it up again,   try and walk outside. No. No. She leaves it. I won't touch   it until I come back in.   Yeah.   It's like, no. Eat your food.  

[00:07:34] Bryan Goodwin:

Then you can come in. I'll eat my food when I'm ready to eat my food. I wanna gotta make sure that you're okay. No. I'm not going outside and go get run, get eaten by coyotes. You know what? You never know what might happen. See, the thing is,  

[00:07:47] Duuude-Ron :

Bella's really hungry in the freaking morning. I mean,   she would eat the house if I'd let her. She would eat eat eat eat the whole bag of dog food if I'd let her.   I mean I mean, the dog wants to eat. She's hungry.   But yet   if I step   and open that door,   she's right there.   It's like, whatever.   You're the one gonna starve, not me. So  

[00:08:13] Rich Chelson:

Just wants to make sure you're okay.  

[00:08:16] Duuude-Ron :

That's all. I'm fine. I've been doing this for a long time.  

[00:08:20] Bryan Goodwin:

Well Yeah. But like I said, you don't know. You might have a coyote outside and gonna gonna go off and get you while you're trying to go poo out outdoors.  

[00:08:30] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Okay.   She's gotta be there to protect you, or you might get attacked by a squirrel.  

[00:08:37] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Those   yeah. The the Nut Job Mafia is something mean, I tell you.  

[00:08:43] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right.   Yeah. I just   any more way to I I've I've just gotten smart.   When I wanna nuke something and get something done,   I just   let her go outside and I leave her out there for a couple hours. Let let's me get done what I need to get done.   I ain't no dummy.  

[00:09:08] Rich Chelson:

Do you at least put some sticks out there for her?  

[00:09:11] Duuude-Ron :

Dude, she has toys, man. She has sticks. She has a rope. She has her Kong.   She has wadded up plastic bottles. She has a tennis ball, a plastic ball.   I mean, dadgum. She's got toys,   but she won't touch any of them.   She might play with the rope   for a minute,   and then that's   it. And she goes, lays   finds some shade to lay down in, lays down in shade,   and then and then trots by the door and stands on the back step every so often trying to see me like, oh my god. Where's dad? Where's dad? I can't see him. I can't see him. Oh my god. He's dead. You know?   It's like, good god, girl.  

Well yeah. I know. No. She has toys.   She has lots of toys.  

[00:10:02] Rich Chelson:

Well,   considered well.   Who   and, you know, who knows how damaged   she is from her past?  

[00:10:12] Duuude-Ron :

Well, I I I mean,   like I said, she's only   just over a year old. So two months of of her life,   she was with her mother.   Okay. Okay.   Being weaned and all like that. After that,   lord only knows.   All I know is the dog was a stray when I got her.  

[00:10:33] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, okay.  

[00:10:35] Duuude-Ron :

So,   you know,   that's all I know.  

[00:10:40] Rich Chelson:

Gotcha.   Well, she's found a buddy that she   knows will take care of her,   and she's just   showing   you that.  

[00:10:53] Duuude-Ron :

I see it every day, dude.   I don't need to see it every minute.  

[00:10:58] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. You do. You might forget.  

[00:11:01] Rich Chelson:

I might forget. You're right. You're right. You just might forget, and she's right there to remind you.  

[00:11:07] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I don't think that's possible.  

[00:11:11] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, okay.  

[00:11:13] Rich Chelson:

Look at Brian and Rain.  

[00:11:17] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. He just drives you up the wall. You just gotta get used to it.  

[00:11:23] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Rain,   if Brian's on the computer or whatever, and Rain's, like, right there, sits on his, you know, lap and wants to get up in the, you know,   up on the table or wherever and then, you know,   always up in your face.  

[00:11:40] Duuude-Ron :

Well, it's funny. Bella's passed out on the floor beside me right now.  

[00:11:44] Rich Chelson:

And actually asleep?   Is she actually asleep or just resting?  

[00:11:51] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, if I move, she'll be up.  

[00:11:53] Rich Chelson:

Oh, there's no doubt about it.  

[00:11:56] Duuude-Ron :

Nah. I mean, the, it's it's   it doesn't matter. That dog could be her eyes closed. She's snoring.   As soon as I move,   she's up. Oh, yeah.   So   in fact in fact, last night, I tried to walk her, you know, before I went to bed,   yeah, and everything. And it it hadn't rained,   but, you know, there was lightning and stuff.   And   tried to walk her, and she wanted to play. We wouldn't go potty.   Alright. Fine.   So I put her in her kennel, went to bed.   She woke me up at 03:45   this morning.   I got up.   She followed me all the way to the back door, opened the back door. She ran outside. I closed the back door and went back to bed.   That's exactly what I'm like. There is no way I'm gonna wait on you.  

I mean, I don't I only went back to bed for a couple hours.   You know, it's, you know, it's not like I slept half the day, but, you know, still.   It's like, uh-uh. You wanna wake my ass up that early? I got you.   I did too. Open the door, and she ran outside, and I closed the door. I said, good night.  

[00:13:12] Rich Chelson:

And then when you finally opened up the door   to let her back in,   what did you do then?  

[00:13:19] Duuude-Ron :

Oh my god. Run around, and it's like, oh my god. I'm back inside. I'm back with daddy. I'm back with daddy. Oh my god.   Yeah.   And and you see, I was smart, though. I was smart when I got up,   you know, because I knew Bella was outside. So,   you you know, I didn't   you know, I just I just moved normally.   And,   and I filled her bowl full of   food,   made sure she had water,   got my coffee started,   then I let her back in.   Because when she runs in,   she likes to, like,   be all about my legs and   all this and stuff. And it's like,   you know, it's it's it's a tad hard to move around her.  

So so I was able to just stop,   petted her a little bit, said, okay. Now eat. And then two minutes later, I was I was heading towards the front door to go smoke cigarette, and by god, there she was.   So  

[00:14:21] Rich Chelson:

And she and she doesn't go off the, front patio, does she, when you go out there for smoke?  

[00:14:26] Duuude-Ron :

I fixed that.  

[00:14:28] Rich Chelson:

Oh, did you? Yes.   Put a little gate.  

[00:14:32] Duuude-Ron :

I had a panel left   from that fence.   Okay. Yep. I had one panel left. I   I had a couple   three inch screws. I screwed them into   each side of the   doorway right there   and Uh-huh. That bit's right in front of the hole.   So now she can't get off. Oh,  

[00:14:54] Bryan Goodwin:

okay.   Not gonna give her any chance to have any fun.  

[00:14:59] Duuude-Ron :

No. Because   she would run out right out into the road. Oh,  

[00:15:04] Bryan Goodwin:

he could. Yeah.   I mean yeah. Sweet dogs aren't always known as the smartest dogs.  

[00:15:10] Duuude-Ron :

Exactly.   Exactly. So it's like yeah. No.   You know, normally normally,   I mean,   yeah, she'd stay. But once in a while,   she tries to give me attitude, and I'm like, yeah. No.   Honey,   keep going up against the master here. I've done this. I   I've played these games.   No.   And so I just anticipate   what she's gonna try and do and then   overfix it.  

[00:15:41] Rich Chelson:

Oh, there you go. Absolutely.  

[00:15:44] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, and I know I know I know there's some dog parents out there might be listening to this, be thinking, oh my god. He's just he's just treating that dog like like like,   wrong, and   no. I'm not.   No. Nope.   Dogs are like kids.   They need structure and discipline   and fun. Yep.   That's exactly it. And you can do all three,   and it doesn't harm   the animal or the child,   however you wanna look at it.  

[00:16:17] Bryan Goodwin:

True.  

[00:16:19] Rich Chelson:

You know?  

[00:16:20] Duuude-Ron :

So yeah. I just I get frustrated every once in a while, and that's, I mean, that's expected.   Who doesn't? You know? Right. What parent doesn't get frustrated?   So other than that, I haven't been doing too much.   So, well,   I take that back. I've cooked more food in the last couple days than I have in the last couple weeks.  

[00:16:43] Bryan Goodwin:

So what you've been cooking?  

[00:16:45] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   I cooked that breakfast casserole   that I got the recipe from Dina on.   Right.   And and and and I add it. See, it it said to use a flat hash browns, some flat frozen hash browns. Well, I didn't have hash browns,   so I used tater tots.   Hey. That works. Right. They're just they're just hash browns.   Right.  

[00:17:08] Rich Chelson:

They're hash browns in a different form. They're round. They're not  

[00:17:12] Duuude-Ron :

Right. But then it says to use   one pound of ground   excuse me, cooked ground sausage.   Okay. Cool.   But me,   this is me.   I also put in a pound of bacon.  

[00:17:27] Bryan Goodwin:

Only a pound? What the fuck is your problem? I was gonna say someone someone messed up on their on their amounts there.   Oh, no shit.  

[00:17:36] Duuude-Ron :

I already had sausage in there. I I I I was I was trying to keep a balance.   I was I was   trying to keep it like zen. You know?   But Yep. Fuck zen. Fuck balance.  

[00:17:49] Bryan Goodwin:

Add more bacon.  

[00:17:51] Duuude-Ron :

But then   and then you put a little bit of cheese on that, and then you take a dozen eggs   and half cup of milk and then seasonings.   Now in a recipe, it just says salt and pepper. Yeah. Well, again, this is me. We don't do just salt and pepper.   You know?   So I put in garlic powder, onion powder.   I don't know what all else.   Mixed all that up and then poured it all over everything. Oh. And and I put more cheese on top of it.  

[00:18:22] Rich Chelson:

Well, and you can never have enough cheese either.  

[00:18:24] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right.   And so   so I put that see, I think it was I've got the recipe. I think it was 400   for   yeah. Yeah. 400 degrees for   thirty minutes covered with foil and then twenty minutes   uncovered.   So a total of fifty minutes, and, oh my gosh, it turned wolf.   All that shit is good.   And, yeah, I still got   a good day and a half, two days worth of food   just in that.   And then   and then   there was something else being made that I tried.   Was it earlier this week, I think?   I think so.   Or last week? This week? I can't remember. Either way, I tried it not too long ago recently,   and very simple to make.  

You just need to go get them,   cinnamon rolls in the tubes.   You know? Mhmm.   Open them up.   Take them out. Cut them up   into a pan. I used a nine by 13.   Do it both tubes,   and then I,   took two two cans of apple pie filling and poured over the top of it.  

[00:19:38] Bryan Goodwin:

There you go.  

[00:19:39] Duuude-Ron :

Slid it in the oven on,   what,   four and a quarter, 04:50, whatever the tube said,   and then did that for about seventeen minutes and pulled that bitch out. Oh my god.   That's the best shit since cupcakes.   So yeah.   Yeah. I was and and then and then I had made that bread   couple days ago.   It's like five ingredients.   Don't have to be deep.   And,   yeah, is, yeah, is,   oh, freaking awesome, and it's not loaded with all that shit.   Have you ever read the ingredients list on a loaf of bread from the store?   Yep.   I mean, good god. It's crazy, man. Oh, yeah.   It's like, oh, hell no. I've got five ingredients, and I can read all of them. And I know what I'll pronounce them. Exactly.  



[00:20:34] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   Not so much read them as pronounce   them.  

[00:20:39] Duuude-Ron :

Right?   But yeah. And and it and it makes it makes two loaves,   small loaves.   And and   don't let the size fool you   because you know, of the loaf because, you know, when you cut it and stuff like this   I mean, I've,   I've probably had,   let's see,   five,   eight, nine pieces of bread, and I still have over half of one loaf plus another loaf yet.   I mean, it actually makes quite a bit.   Cool.   Yeah. And he's saying it like I said, man, it's very fucking simple.   Very simple.   So   that's what I've been doing.   I've been being Betty Crocker.   I just I just wish I had   that red and black checkered cookbook.  

I ain't still find them. No. I haven't found any. Where?  

[00:21:39] Bryan Goodwin:

I mean, let's see if I can pull it up real quick.  

[00:21:43] Duuude-Ron :

I want   I want the original one from from the fifth. The one that the the  

[00:21:48] Bryan Goodwin:

the the d, d ring binder style.  

[00:21:51] Duuude-Ron :

Yes.   My mom has one,   but   the only way I would ever get it is if she died.   So $8.   Wait.   Where?  

[00:22:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Sending it to you right now. I'll send it to you both here, on your   see. There's written up.  

[00:22:12] Duuude-Ron :

I don't care how you send it. I wanna know. Oh, shit. I'll buy that motherfucker right now.   $8 for the actual cookbook.  

[00:22:20] Rich Chelson:

Oh, it says.  

[00:22:22] Duuude-Ron :

Because that thing there I I mean, I grew up learning how to cook out of that freaking cookie. Better Homes and Gardens.  

[00:22:29] Bryan Goodwin:

I'm actually not better Betty Crocker.  

[00:22:32] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah. That's right.   But, yeah, I was raised up on   cooking out of that.   I mean,   yeah, we had a lot of meals made out of that.  

[00:22:43] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Ringbound ringbound is anywhere from $8 to 13 or $12.  

[00:22:49] Duuude-Ron :

Really?   Yep.  

[00:22:51] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Where'd you send that? I sent it over to your,   to your,   your,  

[00:22:58] Bryan Goodwin:

on your text,   through your messaging   text message,   but here it is, Diane and the group chat   With the tracking code and all.  

[00:23:10] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   Don't think I won't buy that thing   for $8.  

[00:23:16] Rich Chelson:

You'll have it you'll have it ordered by this time tomorrow.  

[00:23:19] Duuude-Ron :

No.   That's not the one I'm looking for. That's the newer one.  

[00:23:23] Rich Chelson:

Well, the recipes, I'm sure, are probably the same.  

[00:23:26] Duuude-Ron :

No.   Nope. This one says new.   The new.   Yeah.   I mean, that's cheap. And, yeah, it's got 1,200   recipes and, yeah, probably a lot of them are the same.   I still might get it because, I mean,   you know, $7.89   or or one and good.   Well, this says this is a 1968   edition.  

[00:23:52] Rich Chelson:

That would have been probably the edition that you grew up on.  

[00:23:56] Duuude-Ron :

It don't look like it.  

[00:23:58] Rich Chelson:

Well   okay. Well, they just changed that one. Hold up. Which one? Okay. Because, yeah,   it was a different.  

[00:24:07] Bryan Goodwin:

Back it up.  

[00:24:08] Duuude-Ron :

No. There's one. It's it's  

[00:24:11] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. That's that's the one.  

[00:24:13] Duuude-Ron :

No. That's one from '89.  

[00:24:15] Bryan Goodwin:

No. It's not. Maybe? They all say they all say new cookbook.   There's there's one on Etsy for 7, for $50.   There's a Betty Crocker's   picture cookbook.  

[00:24:28] Duuude-Ron :

Hang on a sec. I   I'm on the hunt now.   Because it I just that   like I said, I was I was I was raised up   cooking   recipe,   recipes out of that.  

[00:24:47] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. All the, all the Better Homes and Gardens is the new is new cookbook. They're all called new cookbook.  

[00:24:54] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I'm seeing that.   No. It's no. It's not it's not it's not Betty Crocker's cookbook.   This here this here has to be the one, but it seemed like it had   black and red checkers.  

[00:25:06] Bryan Goodwin:

That may just be the Mandela effect in in effect.   The what?   The Mandela effect.  

[00:25:13] Duuude-Ron :

Mandela effect. Yeah.  

[00:25:17] Bryan Goodwin:

Okay. Mandela effect.   There   are people who have   memories of different things. Now it's it is some people like to say, oh, well, this is a this is a case of proof that that we're living in assimilation   and that it's that the,   that they've made changes to stuff   as it as it went. So, basically, like, in a in the in a the matrix and stuff,   but   it it's not. It's just the the fallibility of human memory.  

[00:25:51] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.  

[00:25:53] Bryan Goodwin:

I can believe that. So what is so, like,   Star Wars. When Darth Vader   tells   Luke   the the killer turn, twist of events, what did he say?   I don't know. Well, a lot of people would go off and go, Luke, I am your father,   and that's not it. That's not actually what he says. He says,   no.   I am your father.   And so there's that little change in there. Everybody else goes, Luke, I am a and,   like,   Hannibal Lecter,   saying,   hello.   Hello, Clarice.   That never says that   in the in the movie. He never actually says hello, Clarice.   And there's other things. And the reason why they call it the Mandela effect   is because a lot of people   well,   did   Nelson Mandela   die in prison,   or did he get out? Don't know.  

You're right. He did. But a lot of people seem to think that he did.  

[00:26:55] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, okay.  

[00:26:57] Bryan Goodwin:

And so and that's the origin of the Mandela effect. That's where the Mandela part portion of the of the the the this phenomenon  

[00:27:05] Rich Chelson:

come from. Right.  

[00:27:07] Bryan Goodwin:

Mickey Mouse,   with a tail or without a tail?  

[00:27:10] Duuude-Ron :

No tail.  

[00:27:12] Bryan Goodwin:

No tail. Exactly.   Unless you look at I think he actually had one back in, like, Steam Willy, but shortly thereafter, basically, it just fell off.  

[00:27:21] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. No. There yeah. He did have one for a minute, but   it didn't   most of the time, no,   as far as I remember it. And, you know, I could be wrong.  

[00:27:33] Bryan Goodwin:

K. Let's see here. Other   other Mandela FX   instances.   The peanut butter that starts with the j, what is it called?  

[00:27:43] Duuude-Ron :

Jiffy   or Jiffy?  

[00:27:45] Bryan Goodwin:

It's Jiff. Exactly.   But a lot of people think that it was Jiffy, and but it's not.  

[00:27:52] Duuude-Ron :

It's Jiff.   Yeah. No. It's it's yeah. It's like songs. You know, people think the words say one thing, and they don't really. Yeah. Famously misheard the Yeah.   I mean, this is, you know, this is the same thing.   I got a feeling this is   this is a book. I wish   I wish I had a couple more pictures  

[00:28:14] Rich Chelson:

so I could,  

[00:28:16] Duuude-Ron :

I don't know. I just   because, the recipes   and and   in the that freaking cookbook, oh my gosh, man.  

[00:28:26] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. No. We've got we have it, and,   it it's it's a good one.  

[00:28:32] Duuude-Ron :

Like I said, my mom has one,   and, I hope one day I do get it.   Because even if I have one,   I don't care.   I'll still,  

[00:28:43] Bryan Goodwin:

You'll still take it. Take the one that she had. Yeah. I will.  

[00:28:48] Duuude-Ron :

Because that's I mean, that's that's got recipes   that have been put in there from,   you know,   when I was a little boy or before I was a little boy. There's notes in in in some of them recipes.  

[00:29:01] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, yeah.  

[00:29:02] Duuude-Ron :

Because because that there was,   I think I think was my grandmother's   and everything.   So, I mean, there's   there's a wealth of information.   You know?   Absolutely.   Yeah. That's why I want it so bad.  

[00:29:19] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. I got a I got a copy of my,   my grandmother's   sour cream fudge   that   that I've been I've actually had it for a little while, and I just need to get it done. I actually need to go through and and see if I can,   you know, queue out the, ingredients   properly and,   and have a,   and turn it into the same type of same type of goodness that she used to make because, yeah, it was pretty damn good.  

[00:29:47] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right. It it sounds good.   Yes, mate.   It sounds real good.  

[00:29:54] Bryan Goodwin:

But, yes, it was one of those things where Buddy   was really,   really wanting a wanting a copy of it, and   I was I ended up getting a getting a church cookbook, and I actually added in there. It was like, oh, hey. There you go.  

[00:30:09] Duuude-Ron :

Well, that's cool.   Yeah. Yeah. See see, that's the thing. Finding them old   finding them old,   old cookbooks,   you know, like that or, you know, the mold church cookbooks,   especially.   Uh-huh. You know, that's that's be just oh my god.   Because,   you know,   you're getting   recipes from   from all sorts of people, you know, all sorts of different trying things. It's it's   I mean, that's that's what I love about it. Right.   Oh, that's oh, there's one there, I think.   Oh, shit.   No. That's the 1991.   I don't want that one.   I want I want one that looks like this, but from, like, the sixties or now the fifties.   Because this one here is a '68 edition,   and I know my mom's was older than that one.  



[00:31:04] Rich Chelson:

When did the   better?   Thirties   Homes   and   Gardens   new  

[00:31:14] Bryan Goodwin:

cookbook  

[00:31:15] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Yeah. It started in the thirties.  

[00:31:19] Bryan Goodwin:

I saw 1953.  

[00:31:21] Duuude-Ron :

I saw something where it said it started And it started out as as a black  

[00:31:27] Rich Chelson:

book, and new cookbook was in the white and red checkers.  

[00:31:33] Duuude-Ron :

That's probably the one I'm looking for then.   No. So I'm probably looking  

[00:31:39] Bryan Goodwin:

I'm looking for a   for a,   actually,   that's gonna be the seventeenth edition.   So   that one there.  

[00:31:51] Duuude-Ron :

No. You see you see the thing is the front of this one,   the '53 version,  

[00:31:57] Bryan Goodwin:

it 53 has the pots, pans, and, and Yeah.  

[00:32:01] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   On it. And and the the that's not the one.  

[00:32:07] Bryan Goodwin:

It Volume 75.  

[00:32:11] Duuude-Ron :

They alright.   Hang on. Let me do a search.  

[00:32:16] Bryan Goodwin:

Like, a bunch of guys are going, so let's do his cookbook. Yeah. He got this cookbook. Yeah. Okay.   Right.   And they and see and that's you know, I've heard guys who are   very misinformed,   thinking that guys don't like to cook, things like that.   Uh-huh. And I've always fought against that line of thinking.   Because one, I love to cook. I love making breads. I love making making,   just assorted   main dishes and things like that.   Just, you know, the whole art of, of cooking. Just   love the love it all. And   now granted, I am not as anal as, like   like, you know,   four star chefs.  

Right.   But, again,   what is the number what's the main   gender, if you wanna talk about gender? What's the main sex of   all the major,   highest rated   chefs out there?  

[00:33:19] Duuude-Ron :

Men?  

[00:33:20] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. They're they're mainly men. There's a few women there, but most of them are men.   And sorry, but I still think   men like to cook a lot more   than than   the roulette on. Yeah. I mean, come on. We are the master of the flame of all things.  

[00:33:39] Duuude-Ron :

So I know. It's like   okay. I I just looked it up. Better Homes and Gardens Cookbook   was first published in 1930   and has since been updated in numerous editions   with significant changes occurring in the fifties.   Okay?   And I think I think that's when they went to the three ring binder and stuff like that. Now in the sixties,   they went to the five ring binder format.   Okay? And later editions,   reflecting trends like low fat recipes in the eighties and increased   focus on budget meals and appliances in the seventies. So   but and in the thirties, their cookbook was published   featuring a unique binder format to   that allowed it to lie flat on a countertop.  

So   and so   this cookbook I'm looking for   was in the fifties because we just had the three ring binder version.   So   so it was anywhere from   yeah. I would say I would say it was in the fifties then,  

[00:34:45] Bryan Goodwin:

but it didn't look that Right here. When did the Better Homes return? Three version  

[00:34:50] Duuude-Ron :

didn't look like that on the on the cover, though.   Shit.   You know, it's just principle, man.   But yeah. No. I like to cook breads,   cakes,   pies,   all kinds of stuff, full meals.   Even though it takes me a week to eat them,   you know, that's fine   because I don't have a problem with leftovers.  

[00:35:13] Rich Chelson:

Right. Oh, I don't either.   Let's see here.   Let's see. If I could at least just find a   see the images, see what we got. Because I was just looking to see if I could find a, a site that had a   all the  

[00:35:29] Bryan Goodwin:

All the cookbooks from All the cook yeah. All all the new cookbooks.  

[00:35:34] Duuude-Ron :

I mean,   you know,   I could be like I could be like having that freaking Mandela effect,   but   I don't think the cover of my mom's cookbook looked like the '53 version.   But I know we had the three ring binder version,   not the five.   Alright. It was so it was in the fifties.  

[00:35:57] Rich Chelson:

Alright. A little more on number one cookbook.   Now there's   a copy of pictures of some of them.   See here. Save image. Photos.  

[00:36:09] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, dude.   Since you're lurking in the shadows,   well, while, while Brian and I are looking for   cookbooks here,   what you been up to?  

[00:36:21] Rich Chelson:

You know what? I actually have something   that will shock you.   Okay. I don't have any proof of it because 10 volt. Right? Forgot.  

[00:36:31] Bryan Goodwin:

What?   Said something that'll shock you. A 110 volt.  

[00:36:35] Rich Chelson:

No. Not quite. She's not However, I did not have my   however, I did not have my can or my phone with me because I forgot it.  

[00:36:43] Duuude-Ron :

Rude.  

[00:36:45] Rich Chelson:

I know.   And because,   you know, pictures are proof. Right?  

[00:36:50] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. I was sold. Okay.  

[00:36:52] Rich Chelson:

What was it? Friday   night,   I went out skating.  

[00:36:57] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, hell no. Hey.   Hell yeah, dude.   That's cool.  

[00:37:02] Rich Chelson:

And when I woke up in the morning,  

[00:37:05] Bryan Goodwin:

it felt like you've been skating.  

[00:37:07] Rich Chelson:

It hurt.  

[00:37:12] Duuude-Ron :

I bet it did. But, dude, that is awesome, man.  

[00:37:15] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. It's only been,   shit,   five   five plus years.  

[00:37:24] Duuude-Ron :

Wow. That's crazy, man. That's awesome now.  

[00:37:27] Rich Chelson:

Now I did I did bring my earbuds with me   so I could listen to my own music,   but now I just fucking then I left a fucking phone at the house. I'm like, ain't that a bitch?  

[00:37:42] Duuude-Ron :

Well, they dude, that's funny. But  

[00:37:45] Rich Chelson:

But damn it. I have my earbuds with me.  

[00:37:48] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.   That's cool, though.   That is great.  

[00:37:52] Rich Chelson:

And I only busted my ass twice only because   I have   indoor   speed skate wheels.   They're they're the hard wheels.   I don't have the outdoor   wheels   like I used to have on my other skates. They will grip the hell out of the floor.   But because it was colder, the floor was slick.   So, yeah, I busted my nuts a couple times.  

[00:38:20] Duuude-Ron :

That's okay.  

[00:38:22] Bryan Goodwin:

Nothing wrong with that. No? That bit your butt up a little bit.  

[00:38:26] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah. Trust me. I   I remember   busting my ass a hell of a lot when I first started   first started roller skating when I was   five. Three?  

[00:38:37] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh,  

[00:38:38] Rich Chelson:

no. I started when I was five.   Four or five.   That's crazy. Me   fifty   three years now,   fifty two years.  

[00:38:48] Bryan Goodwin:

No. A lot more skating than I can I have?  

[00:38:51] Duuude-Ron :

I yeah. I mean,   we had a skate drink in the town I grew up in. And, I mean, we'd go every once in a while, but   it   I mean, I never got into it because   I was a type that   I just   pushed off with my left leg and   wore my left leg out and then had to get down.  

[00:39:14] Rich Chelson:

So Oh,   I don't care who you are. That's fucking   hilarious.  

[00:39:20] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. It's true.   Yeah.   So yeah. No. I see. I yeah. I never learned how to   really move my feet because I was afraid I was gonna fall and bust my ass and   yeah.  

[00:39:34] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[00:39:35] Bryan Goodwin:

I was always afraid I was gonna fall, bust my ass, then someone's gonna roll on my fingers.  

[00:39:42] Rich Chelson:

You know, I've had quite a few That hurt.  

[00:39:44] Bryan Goodwin:

I've  

[00:39:45] Rich Chelson:

had I've had quite a few   fingers   rolled over in my day.   But, you know, that's all the part of   roller skating.   You know? And when I started roller skating   way back when   Christ was a corporal  

[00:40:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Right. There  

[00:40:06] Rich Chelson:

on a Friday and Saturday night when my mom worked at the skating rink, and me and my brother were there fucking   we spent more time on skates   over a week's period than we did in school.   So but when   we were skating,   you could barely move on the floor. That was how many fucking kids   were there. Right.   But it was fun trying to weave in and out and try to speed skate and weave in and out all those people. That was fucking   man, that was great times.   I wish I could go back to those times.  

[00:40:41] Bryan Goodwin:

Alright.  

[00:40:42] Rich Chelson:

However, then I wouldn't have a Jeep either. So,  

[00:40:45] Bryan Goodwin:

well, that's true.  

[00:40:47] Rich Chelson:

So which one, you know,   has a better benefit?   Back in the day, roller skating or   owning a Jeep?  

[00:40:56] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you see, you have to look at your age. You didn't have a Jeep when you were young, so roller skating's all you had.  

[00:41:03] Rich Chelson:

Well yeah. Yeah. And, you know, actually, now I have both.  

[00:41:07] Duuude-Ron :

Right?   So   in your in your   wisdom, all sense of wisdom,   which one is better?  

[00:41:16] Rich Chelson:

You know, that is   very   big.   That's a hard question to answer   because both of them have their,   you know, have their   wait. What's the word I'm looking for? Not   a   but each have their challenges   for that particular sport.   You know, it's a challenge to navigate up a,   you know, up a hill with a Jeep. Mhmm. It's also challenging at my age to,   you know,   stay on all eight wheels   and shuffle skate,   but I pay the price for it. Right.   And if I go back skating again, guess what I'm gonna do?  

[00:42:04] Duuude-Ron :

Shuffle skate.  

[00:42:06] Rich Chelson:

Juggle skate and do it all over again.   And wake up the next morning going,   man, that sucks.  

[00:42:14] Duuude-Ron :

No, that's dude, that is awesome that you did that, man.  

[00:42:17] Bryan Goodwin:

Yep.  

[00:42:18] Duuude-Ron :

Seriously.  

[00:42:20] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. And I've been wanting to for quite some time.   And   I just happened to look on the website, and skating was from six to nine. And it was already, like, ten minutes to seven. I'm like, well, if I'm gonna fucking do this, I better get my ass off the motherfucking   recliner and do it. Go do it.   So I'm, like, sat there for about, oh, thirty seconds. It's like, do I really wanna go  

[00:42:45] Bryan Goodwin:

or not? Do I really? Do I really wanna you know what? Let's do that.  

[00:42:49] Rich Chelson:

And so, you know, I said, fuck it. Went and got my shoes and socks on, grabbed my skates, and went to the fucking rink.   And and as always, had a ball.  

[00:43:00] Duuude-Ron :

See? There you go, man. That's, dude, that's fucking awesome.  

[00:43:04] Rich Chelson:

Now I just have to look into getting some   outdoor wheels   so I can have some better grip when I'm shuffle skating.   And they're   and I don't remember the rink. It's in Georgia. They actually have   two of them,   and I don't remember the name of the skating rink. But they have   and I think it was   Thursday night.   There was, like,   forty, fifty   old fuckers like me   at that rink   shuffle skating.  

[00:43:39] Duuude-Ron :

Really?  

[00:43:41] Rich Chelson:

Yes.   That's I mean,   we used to do it in you know, we get a shuffle skating line going back in my day of   of youth, and we'd have, like, four, five, six people shuffle skating at the same   rhythm, kinda like dancing.   And but, yeah, there's   it's a rink someplace in Georgia   that   has a night   specifically   for   the older generation   to come out and skate and or shuffle skate.  

[00:44:16] Duuude-Ron :

That's cool.  

[00:44:17] Rich Chelson:

I wish they had that rink around here.   I would definitely be going probably every damn week.  

[00:44:25] Bryan Goodwin:

I might check. I might ask through the the range that you went to and go, hey.   Is there a is there a time for the older folks to come walking and   everybody does shuffle skating and stuff?   I find out that oh, yeah. Yeah. Every   every Tuesday night, 06:00 for three hour.  

[00:44:44] Rich Chelson:

You know, and the this rink   go ahead.  

[00:44:47] Duuude-Ron :

I was gonna say, you could go and ask the rink,   you know,   see if they Oh, yeah. Do something like that. Because during the week, they don't they're not making much money during the week.   No. You know? So, I mean, they would probably be   probably be amenable to it.  

[00:45:05] Rich Chelson:

And you know how many   older people like me are in this   area   that, you know,   grew up on roller skates and shovel skating. You know?   That's that that would be the biggest thing.  

[00:45:22] Duuude-Ron :

I mean  

[00:45:23] Rich Chelson:

So I just shovel skate myself.  

[00:45:26] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   But see, that's the thing. The rink probably would would realize, oh, shit. We've been underserving,   you know,   our customer base. You know?  

[00:45:38] Bryan Goodwin:

Holy smokes. Who thought the old folks wouldn't know how to skate?   Right.  

[00:45:43] Duuude-Ron :

You see, that's the thing. When when people get older, everyone   no one really none of the younger kids really think, oh, you know,   that well, they they think we're old and can't move and all like this. You know what I mean?  

[00:45:57] Bryan Goodwin:

Uh-huh. It's like it's like no. Now we're old and we just can't move fast.   Right.   That's exactly right.  

[00:46:06] Rich Chelson:

And and, you know, with with saying that, there is not   one   time   that my daughter   has ever beaten me   speed skating.   Not once. In her whole life,   she has not beaten me.  

[00:46:25] Duuude-Ron :

But, yeah, that's the thing. Most kids think, oh, you know, if you're over 40, that's it. Life's over. You know? I hate to say it, but there's a whole another fifty years yet.  

[00:46:36] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[00:46:37] Duuude-Ron :

And as long as you can move, you're good.  

[00:46:40] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah.   I got you  

[00:46:42] Duuude-Ron :

there. Like Brian said, you know,   might not move quick, but we get there.  

[00:46:48] Bryan Goodwin:

We get there.  

[00:46:49] Rich Chelson:

And, you know, these days,   I don't have to move quick.   Right.   Because I carry a gun.   So   you gonna run you were gonna outrun a   a nine mil?   You know? Take your chances.   I'm pretty good shot.  

[00:47:11] Bryan Goodwin:

I'm bad at it.   Well, I'm not gonna   I don't know.  

[00:47:19] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Okay, Brian. You're just   l l m f, aren't you?   Oh, l l m f. Or o d f f, I should say.   That just came out of no fucking place.   Whatever the hell you're doing.  

[00:47:31] Bryan Goodwin:

That was,   from   what is it? Portugal not yeah. He's a Portugal man, I think.   All the other kids with all the other kids with pumped up kicks, better run better run, outrun my gun.  

[00:47:46] Rich Chelson:

No. I  

[00:47:49] Duuude-Ron :

I was gonna say I missed that one. But this one I got Meow. Kinda missed. Yeah. You know?  

[00:47:56] Bryan Goodwin:

But that's alright. See here at   9521.   Yeah. There we go.  

[00:48:02] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:48:03] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, I just looking for the trailer I'm supposed to pick up, and I just found it. Oh, okay. I almost flew right past it.   Roll past what?   Oh, the trailer I'm supposed to pick up.   Looking for 9521,   and I was   came across as one of those where I wasn't expecting to see it right off the bat almost.  

[00:48:26] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Usually, it's a pretty good hunt, isn't it?  

[00:48:29] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:48:31] Rich Chelson:

So how many well and your   your position   changes often.   How how many turnarounds do you get in   a twelve hour shift?  

[00:48:43] Bryan Goodwin:

Today,   it has been,   yesterday, it was about   three and a half because I got the last one and   and ended up running out of time, and I had to come back over to the, to the plaza and drop it off.  

[00:48:59] Rich Chelson:

So   To the So then the what? The next   person just picks up the full trailer and takes it to whatever  

[00:49:06] Bryan Goodwin:

destination. Yeah. To the location.  

[00:49:08] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. But yeah. Yeah.  

[00:49:10] Bryan Goodwin:

Rich, yeah, we're,   we got a,   it's the,   it's the travel Gore Travel Plaza.   And   Oh, okay. That's we're Gore, and they're Gore, and they're all part of the same family. So yeah. Yeah.  

[00:49:26] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.  

[00:49:27] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, it's basically our our extra yard.  

[00:49:31] Rich Chelson:

That's cool.  

[00:49:33] Bryan Goodwin:

So   Okay. Basically take up all the the whole east side of the,   and a good portion of the, of the south side of the, of the truck stop.  

[00:49:42] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, wow.   Yeah. I,   I just purchased   a 1962   edition.   There you go. And garden cookbook.  

[00:49:54] Rich Chelson:

Dang, we knew you'd have it by  

[00:49:56] Duuude-Ron :

It should be here no later than What's that? October 3.  

[00:50:00] Bryan Goodwin:

November 3? Oh, okay. October 3. Okay. I was like,   oh, hey.   Coming from,   coming from overseas.  

[00:50:10] Duuude-Ron :

No. Actually, it's coming from   Denver.  

[00:50:15] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, sweet.  

[00:50:16] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   Getting it off Etsy.  

[00:50:19] Bryan Goodwin:

There you go.  

[00:50:20] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. So   I just yeah. I was   I was looking at the pictures. Because you see most of the listings,   that I had looked at,   they show you the front of the book and the back of the book.   Yep. None of the pages in between. It's like, how do I know the fuck pages are there?   You know?   Just because, you know, because it's it's a hardbound ring binder, so   you're trying to sit here and tell me that, oh, yeah. It's got the pages. No. I don't believe you.   That's what I'm trying  

[00:50:50] Rich Chelson:

to do.   And and there you go. I ordered a,   you know, a dash cam camera for the Jeep, and they sent me a ratchet  

[00:50:59] Duuude-Ron :

set.   Nice, dude.  

[00:51:02] Rich Chelson:

I know.   And I mean, hey.  

[00:51:05] Duuude-Ron :

Ratches is kinda handy, but you know?  

[00:51:08] Rich Chelson:

And I got   dozens.   Well, maybe that's She's another one.   Yeah. You're right. Because they'll probably   tell me not to send it back.   Right.  

[00:51:20] Duuude-Ron :

And it's our free gift for fucking up, which Oh, hey. That's fine. Hey. Christmas gifts, man. Christmas.  

[00:51:28] Rich Chelson:

You know, actually,   I haven't even opened it up yet to actually see what it looks like.  

[00:51:33] Bryan Goodwin:

But Wrap it up. Put that in the truck.  

[00:51:36] Rich Chelson:

Put that in my truck.  

[00:51:38] Duuude-Ron :

Well, okay. There you go. That works too.   But remember, you see, remember, when you get shit like this,   dude, you've got instant Christmas presents.   You ain't gotta go buy shit because people don't care how much you spend.   Just the fact that you got them something. Oh my god. The dude got me something.   I'm freaking happy.   You know? They don't have to know that it cost you a buck $2.95.   You know? Or $3.30.   Whatever. You   know? I mean, come on now.   But   yeah. No. This, cookbook was it was actually on sale. It was on sale for $26.   Okay. But after shipping and   tax and,   because they it was normally 35.  

I got a $8.75   discount,   but it shipping was $6.72,   and sales tax was $2.31.   So I paid total of $35.28.   So I paid 28¢   more than the original asking price.  

[00:52:49] Bryan Goodwin:

The hell of it, man.  

[00:52:50] Duuude-Ron :

But,   hey, I'm gonna have me one of them old fucking cookbooks.  

[00:52:55] Bryan Goodwin:

Absolutely.  

[00:52:57] Duuude-Ron :

There you go. I'll freaking I'll freaking be able to make all kinds of good food.  

[00:53:02] Bryan Goodwin:

Now that is something that I wanna do whenever I have   time in   in in the, in the kitchen,   and I have room   in the kitchen,   is I would like to start with the first recipe   and go through   the recipes   in in the cookbooks.  

[00:53:24] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   Well, some of them just don't sound good at all, man. Oh, no. I agree. I but do kind of  

[00:53:31] Bryan Goodwin:

basically be, like, you ever heard of, of Dylan Hollis?   Nope.   Okay. He is   he's a guy who goes   he collects   vintage,   cookbooks.  

[00:53:45] Rich Chelson:

Okay.  

[00:53:46] Bryan Goodwin:

And so he'll   he'll go through and he'll does a whole TikTok thing where he   he,   those were kind of snickerdoodles   from, you know, on a what was the one? There was something from the from the the depression era from 1938,   and he makes little commentaries   about every about everything. And as as he goes through, and he's he's got such a personality about it. It's just hilarious.   And on top of that, he's gay, so a lot of times, there's a lot of nut a lot of nuts being used in there. He'll make a nut joke or or something like that, and he's gotta throw that in there. So it was just it's it's humorous. I I found it I found myself laughing at him. And sometimes you'll find some, and you can see it, and he's just like, that's actually really damn good. And then he's kind of a surprise. Then there's others that are like,   oh my god. That is tremendously terrible, awful.  

It was like or it'll say, like, add   add the dry ingredients. And he's, like, looking through there going, there's no dry ingredients listed here. So, you know, we provide   old old,   old church,   cookbooks and stuff.   And, so they'll have some mistakes like that in there. Amount of times, it's just it's alright to just watch watch him,   go through, cook them, and and,   and and do the,   and find the find the obscure   recipes, cook them up, try them out, and and see what they actually taste like.   And some of them, like, he I think one was a seven up   seven up layer cake, and he turned out   Yeah.  

So good good. I don't know. Medi pies are real good. I was a kid the last time I had that, but I'm Oh, yeah.  

[00:55:30] Duuude-Ron :

Oh my god. This and it was made out of that Betty Cracker cookbook or that Better Homes and Gardens cookbook.  

[00:55:37] Rich Chelson:

What was that?  

[00:55:39] Bryan Goodwin:

The seven Up Cake?  

[00:55:40] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Seven Up Cake. Oh, yeah. Shit.  

[00:55:44] Rich Chelson:

It's been fucking   yeah.  

[00:55:47] Duuude-Ron :

Y'all ever heard of a Crazy Cake?  

[00:55:50] Rich Chelson:

Not that I remember. It doesn't ring a bell.  

[00:55:54] Duuude-Ron :

Well, it's it's   Crazy cake, believe it or not, if I remember right now, I might be wrong. I I don't think I am. It's in that Better Homes and Gardens cookbook. I used to make that all the time.   Very simple. It's like three or four ingredients.   You You make a glaze with it of, powdered sugar   and and water or butter and,   just   poke holes in cake, drizzle it, let it fall down in the cake. Oh my god.   Cup of coffee shit.  

[00:56:24] Rich Chelson:

Oh, is it, like, just a vanilla   so was it just like a vanilla style  

[00:56:29] Duuude-Ron :

cake mix? Or No. No. No. Chocolate cake. No. No. Oh,   This is all scratch.   Everything in this cookbook is all scratch. There is no box. Nothing.  

[00:56:42] Rich Chelson:

Well, no. I understand that.   But   the crazy cake,   you know, you said, what is it? A chocolate cake with the   With a   with the basil?  

[00:56:54] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. With with the Okay.   Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, you take, like, confectioner sugar   and Yeah. And you   melt all that down, and then I think you add butter. I don't know. I I mean, last time I made it, I think I was 12.   I mean, it's been a minute since I made it.  

[00:57:13] Rich Chelson:

A whole minute.  

[00:57:15] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Maybe two minutes.   Maybe two minutes?   But yeah. No. It's it's man, that shit oh god. That shit's good.   Like I said, with cup of coffee oh my god.   And, yes, I was drinking coffee at that time.   I was drinking coffee since I was eight. So  

[00:57:36] Rich Chelson:

And, you know,   I really was not a coffee drinker   even in the military.   Out in the field,   yeah.   You know, if if we had that luxury.   But on a day to day basis,   I didn't drink coffee until I became   an instructor   Oh, hell. At Fort Sill.   And   at that point in   time, it was damn near mandatory  

[00:58:05] Duuude-Ron :

Oh. Because   Yeah.   The  

[00:58:09] Rich Chelson:

yeah. Okay. So you had two instructors in the room, the primary instructor and the assistant   instructor. Well, the assistant instructor   has to be certified   on the block of instruction   that is being taught   to be the assistant   instructor at that particular   block of information.   So you know that.   And trying to stay awake,   oh, that's fucking brutal.   And my assistant instructor,   it was even more brutal because I have this nice monotone voice.  

[00:58:46] Bryan Goodwin:

I feel that. Middle middle middle pitch in my voice.  

[00:58:51] Rich Chelson:

So, yeah,   That   I was a brutal instructor.   Never once did I not have   at least one student.   And, I mean,   when I was teaching   AIT, we were teaching   the functionality of a Cengars radio.   And then I moved over to the AFATADS, the artillery   the overall artillery   computer systems.   And even that configuration   that I taught is   freaking ancient.   So   but not   one student did I not get   critique that says instructor has monotone voice.   I'm like,   yeah.   I could have told you that years ago   before you even got here.   Yeah. I have various when I'm instructor, I have very little inflection   in my voice.  

But now that I remember this, I'm gonna interrupt my story.   So   you were talking about   Brian, the guy that,   was gay and had the cooking show or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. But, in house.   And it that   reminded me of something that I saw last night on Court TV.   And I was just sitting there, and I'm like, are you fucking serious?   Two guys were in court,   and   the   it not the defendant, but what's the other person called?  

[01:00:25] Bryan Goodwin:

It was defendant and the and the   plaintiff.   Plaintiff.  

[01:00:29] Rich Chelson:

Plaintiff. There you go. The plaintiff   was suing his old roommate slash   boyfriend   for $3,600   because he threw   the boyfriend's   nuts   in the trash.  

[01:00:49] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, he must have been some expensive,   expensive macadamians.  

[01:00:53] Rich Chelson:

No.   The the plaintiff was going through a sex change operation.  

[01:01:00] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, there's nuts.  

[01:01:02] Rich Chelson:

And he physically   had   his nuts   and scrotum   in a bag   in the refrigerator.  

[01:01:11] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, hell no. I'm throwing in the wood. Go ahead.  

[01:01:15] Rich Chelson:

And the reason why he was suing his   past roommate slash boyfriend   is because   the plaintiff said   those sperm could have been you know,   they were irreplaceable.  

[01:01:34] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. But they wouldn't have worked anymore after you took them off anyhow. So  

[01:01:38] Rich Chelson:

You're right. Unless you freaking   carbon freeze them   with liquid nitrogen, they're all gonna die anyway.  

[01:01:47] Bryan Goodwin:

Yep.  

[01:01:48] Rich Chelson:

But   he threw them in the fucking trash.   He's like, I opened up the refrigerator. Like, what the fuck is this?   And just,   you   know, now you look at that that scenario right there, and what are you gonna think? It's like moldy cheese. Oh, shit. Gotta get fucking rid of this shit.   Yeah.   And I'm like,   yeah. But soon as   the old roommate for $3,600   in damages.  

[01:02:17] Duuude-Ron :

Damn.  

[01:02:18] Rich Chelson:

Of course, there was nothing awarded.  

[01:02:21] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. I'm sorry. But the whole premise  

[01:02:25] Rich Chelson:

that that guy said that those were   irreplaceable,   and they may have made, you know, just   a superhuman.   I'm sorry. But  

[01:02:36] Bryan Goodwin:

no.   Well,   again, again,   liberalism,   progressivism   is a is a mental disorder.   The only problem is that most most psychologists   are left wing also, so   they would never know   would know if they are out of the, the same,   same problem as as everyone as the as our patients. So  

[01:03:03] Rich Chelson:

It is sound.   It is.  

[01:03:07] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Well, you know,   this is   this is people's choices.  

[01:03:13] Rich Chelson:

This is their choices. So Yep. Mhmm. Oh, I know.   And   I'm sorry to say, but it is   sad fucking choices.  

[01:03:24] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, hey. I can argue with you. It is. They   you know?   It's not gonna change unless people wanna change.  

[01:03:33] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. You're right.  

[01:03:35] Bryan Goodwin:

And, thankfully,   there's at least a decent amount of people here who are wanting   to wanting to make, make the changes.   Now, hopefully, we don't go so far that we go back to the other direction again.   Because   that's the that's the big the big worry right now is that all of a sudden, okay.   Now the ride's starting to catch a little bit of,   catch a little popularity. They're starting to go. So, they're gonna start going over so far over that they basically   come become, like, left wing extremists again.  

[01:04:08] Duuude-Ron :

You know? Yeah.   Again, if it don't affect me,   I don't care.  

[01:04:14] Bryan Goodwin:

I understand, but same time.  

[01:04:17] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:04:17] Bryan Goodwin:

Right. So the society that is that is right now could easily go the the same direction because, I mean, all it takes is just the same   same victim minded   minded people   to go just a little further left, and all of a sudden, they're just extreme right.  

[01:04:37] Duuude-Ron :

Right. And   there's there's actually been a lot of people going that way. Oh. And and and the thing is, either way, if people wanna go that way, they're gonna go. We can't stop it. No. You can't stop them, but the fact that the a lot of them get into positions  

[01:04:53] Bryan Goodwin:

of   get into positions of power, and then all of a sudden, we have   Hayden, you know, Biden era   going on.  

[01:05:01] Duuude-Ron :

Again,   Brian, you're not gonna stop   it. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen.  

[01:05:07] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, if it's gonna happen, yeah. But if you're at least aware, you know, you pay attention to what history   is doing, which, I mean, granted, they don't teach history. So most of these idiots that are going through this have never been never realized, hey. We've gone through this before.  

[01:05:23] Duuude-Ron :

They've never gone through it before. They did it on on the freaking democratic side.  

[01:05:28] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, they've gone through this. They've we've gone through this style,   of of this cycle before. Yes. That's what I'm saying.  

[01:05:36] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:05:38] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, they've got I mean, hell, just look at,   at the republic   before   before Hitler came came into power. I mean, they actually were doing   many of the same things that the loft is doing now. Well, they were trying to do sex changes. They actually went as far   as doing a wound transplant on a guy. He lasted, like, I don't know, like, a couple three weeks before he died of the end of the of the infection.   But they actually went as far as trying to transplant a womb into a dude.   Right.   So And that's why that's one reason why, like I said, you we've gotta   how we gotta be careful because, yeah, people wanna say   that, the Nazis were right wing,   and he had he put power on right wing ideology.  

Yes. But he wasn't right wing because he is a socialist.   Right. But he's basically set told him because everybody was, like, going, we've gotta end this madness. We've gotta end this the stupidity that's happening.   You know, the, you know, guy is trying to beat girls and and all this.   And so   it opened the door for someone to step in and go, hey.   I'm your Huckleberry. I'll do it. And   people are all of a sudden we get them and we, you know, the populous as a whole,   not everybody populous as a whole was like, okay. Yeah. He he really sounds like he he knows what he's talking about.   And and,   and starts   making, you know,   declares himself, you know, the the supreme leader of the   of the country and starts taking over other countries so that he can make his own, you know, his own right.  

And so, yeah, that's   we   that's the that's the big,   issue that   that I really   kinda   am looking at is because I think we're we're starting to kinda pull away from it. I think right now, we're closer to being   in the opposite terms, the nineteen sixties,   because everybody getting   a shot.  

[01:07:48] Duuude-Ron :

You know,   dude?  

[01:07:50] Bryan Goodwin:

I'm not staying up all night worrying about this shit if that's what you're worried about. I know. But I know. But but you see the thing is,  

[01:07:58] Duuude-Ron :

there are people that are   ruining their lives over were worrying about this shit, thinking about this shit. You know, they're like, oh, what are we gonna do? You're gonna fucking do nothing.   Live your life.   Enjoy your life.   Do what you can Yeah. And adjust.   You know? Yeah. And that's the thing. A lot of people,   you know, think kids. I mean I mean, it it goes down to kids that are 10, 11, 12 years old even. Oh god. The world's going to an end because   they're freaking bombarded and all with with social media, media,   anything.  

When and it's and it's taken away   our happiness, our enjoyment of everything,   so, therefore,   it's affecting everybody.   And the best thing to do is to shut it off, but, oh, god forbid,   if you shut that off. You can't do   that. You know? Because Right. What are we gonna do?   Use your fucking imagination.   It just No. I I get what you're saying. It just irks me that fucking people sit here,   and people we know personally   sit here and and,   you know, bite their nails, chew their fucking nails because, oh my god. What the world's coming to to an end. It's it the world's going to hell in a handbasket. What am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? I don't know. Oh my god. I don't know what the fuck take a fucking Prozac.  

[01:09:27] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, yeah. But then,   yeah, you just   know what caused the, the problem to begin with and be a little bit more diligent. You don't have to sit there and and spaz about it for, you know, twenty four hours a day. But when you see, you know, when you see someone going,   you need to be more politically correct. That's when you need to go, okay. Okay.   Give them the back of your hand   and say you could shut the hell up.   No. I'm not worrying about your being politically correct because that got us into problems to begin with.   Right. That was the beginning of censorship. No. We you know, you're not gonna tell me what to do because, I mean, that's what's happening in in   in England right now.  

You actually had   a guy. He recently he was   he was he's an atheist.   He was he was Muslim. He went turned atheist,   and he was, I think, burning the Koran or something,   burning   the the Islamic flag, something like that.   And   one of the boat migrants   saw him doing this.   The boat migrant went in to his apartment, which was just, like, next door,   grabbed the knife, and tried to stab the the guy who was burning whatever it was he was burning.  

[01:10:49] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:10:51] Bryan Goodwin:

They let the attacker   go   and charge the guy who was burning the caram.   Wow.   With charged him with what?   Inciting   violence.   Inciting   violence.  

[01:11:09] Duuude-Ron :

Because   his action of burning the Quran   caused the other man to go get a knife and try and stab him.   Inciting   violence.   I I get it. But that's okay. My bad. I'm sorry. Yeah. But, yeah, it's bullshit.  

[01:11:25] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. And but, again, they've   they, they've done that many times. I mean, they've they've,   what was a couple three weeks ago?   Had   had the police called on   had to go to didn't have to, but went to   I don't know if you know who Cody Hopkins is or not.   Nope.   But she is a right wing British   personality.   She does a lot of,   TikToks on TikTok,   obviously.   And there   she often starts it off with, what can the batshit bunkers Britain, and and talks about some of the the crazy shit that's happening in Britain.   Kinda like the the guy getting attacked, you know, stuff like that.   The police   were called to her house   because she was doing a live   where she talks about a lot of the different, you know,   stupid shit that's happening   thanks to the migrants   in Britain.  

Right.   And they said,   we're here to do an investigation.   We can stop the investigation right now. If you will come with us to the person that,   you offended   and tell them you're sorry, we can drop this. If not, then we have to all go down this down to the, station and do an investigation.  

[01:12:44] Rich Chelson:

Wow.  

[01:12:46] Bryan Goodwin:

And people wonder why Trump is making the comments about   England's fallen.   Well, no. Not just England, but so is Italy,   Germany,   France,   Spain.  

[01:12:59] Duuude-Ron :

A lot of They're all falling. Countries.   Yeah.   Yeah. That that,   I would never do that.  

[01:13:08] Bryan Goodwin:

You wanna apologize or what?  

[01:13:10] Duuude-Ron :

Apologize.   Oh, yeah. I'm I,   I'm gonna say what I wanna say, how I wanna say it, and I give two fucks if I hurt your feelings. I'm gonna try not to.   Right.   You know what sucks to be you?  

[01:13:26] Bryan Goodwin:

Mhmm.   And just the very fact that I have talked about Britain the way I have here recently   and talked about how Britain's going downhill because   they're, you know, they have unmitigated   and uncontrolled   immigration.   They've got a two tier justice system.   There's a good chance that if I was to go to Britain right now,   moment I stepped off the plane that he drove, I would have probably two, three police there there to arrest me because they arrested a comedian   over jokes.  

[01:13:57] Duuude-Ron :

Really?  

[01:13:58] Bryan Goodwin:

Mhmm.   That's crazy. There is no there is no free speech in in Great Britain.   Not that Great Britain ever   actually had   free speech. They didn't have something like the constitution.  

[01:14:12] Duuude-Ron :

Well, no. But   but they had something that that kinda resembled something.  

[01:14:19] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. They made the statement. They it was basically the government giving people the right for free speech, which means   that they had   the bill the government has the ability to take away that free speech.   Unlike our constitution where they state, everybody has this. The government can't take it away.  

[01:14:39] Duuude-Ron :

Even though it it is on the chopping block every day.  

[01:14:42] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, yeah. Well, as Ben Franklin said, you've got a republic   if you can keep it.  

[01:14:48] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   That's exactly right.  

[01:14:51] Bryan Goodwin:

Because there's a people who see it's it is such a delicately balanced   system that, yeah,   there are   it's they can be toppled.  

[01:15:02] Duuude-Ron :

Well And,   you know, it could it would be harder to be toppled if if more people   more   well minded people   got involved.  

[01:15:14] Bryan Goodwin:

Right. But and I actually thought wonder if if us losing   Charlie Kirk as we did   Charlie I wonder if Charlie Kirk was   the way that he was for the sole purpose of showing people.   This is what happens   when hate gets too great.   When you aren't keeping,   you know, when you ain't keeping the   the freedom of speech   truly alive, and you're trying to to   censor   people for the words that they use just because you don't like those words.   Because so many people have shifted to the right   because of what happened to Charlie Kirk. Right. Because they see, he wasn't doing anything other than saying words that you don't like   in a very truthful manner.  

He was speaking facts and reason   to people who   don't want to live in a real world.  

[01:16:13] Duuude-Ron :

Well, exactly. And and look look.   JFK,   same thing.  

[01:16:18] Bryan Goodwin:

Mhmm.  

[01:16:20] Duuude-Ron :

Robert Kennedy,   same thing.   Okay? Ronald Reagan,   same thing.   Okay?   And then nothing   until Trump.   I you know, an attempt on Trump's life twice.   And now Charlie Kirk,   same fucking thing.   They were speaking   the truth. They were,   you know,   they were they were for the people,   and look what's happened.   I mean, this this isn't nothing new. Everyone's saying thinking, oh my god. It's new. It's not. It's been going on   since, well, since well before the sixties.   I'm just using the sixties as a stopping point because anything past that, 99% of the people don't know about it.   Right. And the only reason why I brought up the sixties   is because   the actual files were were declassified,   and anybody who read them realized that, yes, our government   assassinated JFK.  



[01:17:21] Bryan Goodwin:

You don't have No. That's and that's who you really need to pay attention to is like the CIA and the FBI.  

[01:17:26] Duuude-Ron :

Right. But you're saying saying that's no. Actually,   you you need to go higher in that. You need to go to their bosses.  

[01:17:35] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. That's the, the CIA and the FBI.  

[01:17:38] Duuude-Ron :

No. No. You need to go to their boss.   You need to go above the CIA and the FBI   and who passes the shit down to them.   Because the CIA and the FBI   are just like the fucking military.  

[01:17:53] Bryan Goodwin:

They're told what to do, when to do it, and how to do it. Right. Well, it's well, maybe not how to do it. I think I think it's FBI that was doing what is it? Operation   Arctic Frost, which was the the program that the FBI was doing to search   for all   for any evidence   in,   of of violence extremism   in the right.   So a lot of the the a lot of the chapters of the Turning Point USA   were on this.   The   the But republican caucus was was being investigated. All these Right. You know?  

[01:18:32] Duuude-Ron :

Who started this? Where did the orders come from? It didn't come from the FBI.  

[01:18:38] Bryan Goodwin:

It came from above the FBI. I think it was I think it was more of the FBI itself that's the where the deep state thing comes from   because it was   basically   that way because if it if it ever got found out,   you know, if, you know,   Biden, you know, if Biden was the actually the one or Kamala, you know, somewhat   Pelosi or whoever,   they can do plausible   deniability. So there no. There was a lot of stuff where they   the higher ups and the CIA has been doing shit on their own   for for   for decades.   They used to have to answer to people. We just They still have to answer to people. They and they just come up with whatever they want to so they don't actually have to give out the all the all the answers they wanna give out. They don't wanna give out a minute.  

[01:19:29] Rich Chelson:

So we'll we'll see if and going back to JFK,   we'll see if Rich agrees with me or not, and you're talking about going higher.   Who do you think actually ordered the hit on JFK?  

[01:19:43] Duuude-Ron :

Personally, I'm I'm not sure. Personally, I think it was his family.  

[01:19:48] Rich Chelson:

Personally,   I think it was vice president Johnson. LBJ. Yeah.  

[01:19:53] Duuude-Ron :

Yep. Okay. Very   well. Very but very well could have been, but you see there okay.   Did he act alone? See, because I I haven't read the files. Did he act alone, or or did he have other,   like, friends or members of his cabinet or or, you know, other people around him helping him make this decision?  

[01:20:16] Bryan Goodwin:

There's no there's actually no direct link   from   Oswald to LBJ.   That's that's the that's the big hanky.   But there's a lot of little   from what I understand, because I haven't read any of the damn files. So just to let you know, I'm not I'm not interested in reading through all that. But Right. Right. But but you see the thing is, if you ask me personally from from all from all the documentaries  

[01:20:41] Duuude-Ron :

I've   kinda watched and videos I've watched, stuff like that,   Oswald was a patsy. Oswald did not forget the killing shot.  

[01:20:49] Rich Chelson:

No. The killing shot came from the grassy Knoll.  

[01:20:52] Duuude-Ron :

Yep.  

[01:20:54] Rich Chelson:

Absolutely.   And the person that   shot from the grassy knoll,   he was probably taken out   by the end of that day.  

[01:21:04] Duuude-Ron :

Probably. Yeah. I wouldn't doubt it. So  

[01:21:08] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. You see, Oswald And and the reason why I say JFK   is because   his wife   owned   the majority   stock   in several companies   that had defense contracts,   ammunition,   what have you,   and   and Kennedy did not wanna go to war in Vietnam.  

[01:21:32] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. He's what try to pull out.  

[01:21:34] Rich Chelson:

Right. JFK   or not JFK, but LBJ,   his wife had controlling interest   in the money for war.  

[01:21:44] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   I could see that.  

[01:21:47] Rich Chelson:

But that's my conspiracy theory.  

[01:21:50] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you see, the thing is now that's actually not a conspiracy theory anymore.   I mean, yeah, kind of maybe, but you see, that's the thing. Everyone make thinks   or or, you know,   anyone who brings up a different idea,   everyone is so quick to jump on. That's a conspiracy theory.   Really? Do the research.  

[01:22:12] Rich Chelson:

And and why I say it's information.   And why I say it's my conspiracy   theory   is because I haven't done the research. I haven't read the files.   Right. You know, that they have declassified.   I get through probably two paragraphs and fall the fuck asleep.  

[01:22:31] Bryan Goodwin:

Right. Right.  

[01:22:32] Rich Chelson:

That's just   because that's what reading does to me.   It puts my ass to fucking sleep.  

[01:22:39] Duuude-Ron :

Well, at least you sleep good.  

[01:22:42] Rich Chelson:

Well,   that's up for debate as well.   But now it's I will, however, sleep very good   after   I'm dead   because you really ain't gonna be able to disrupt a pile of ashes.  

[01:22:57] Bryan Goodwin:

You never know a big windstorm might Oh, yeah. You can. I was gonna say, I could sit there and just take, take a leaf blower, and I could stub the shit out of you.  

[01:23:06] Rich Chelson:

Well, yeah. You're right. You you that's very true. But we're  

[01:23:11] Bryan Goodwin:

anyway. I can make you fall to pieces   with a simple straw.  

[01:23:16] Rich Chelson:

Well,   yeah. It a simple straw, you probably be the one snorting my ashes, not blowing them.  

[01:23:24] Bryan Goodwin:

Whoo. That's terrible. That one hit hard. Yeah.  

[01:23:28] Rich Chelson:

But I wouldn't give a shit. Yeah. No. You wouldn't. I'm not there.  

[01:23:32] Bryan Goodwin:

Not that I wouldn't wanna go up and store it up a bunch of bones charged anyhow. So  

[01:23:37] Rich Chelson:

Well, we got I got we can always get one of those pharmaceutical,   you know,   pill crushers,  

[01:23:44] Bryan Goodwin:

And you can crush up all the bones and, you know, just make it real Well, that's what ash is, though. Ash is all all all ash is is actually just the bones. It's just the calcium calcium,   residue from the bones themselves because everything else burns away and and and and is gone.  

[01:24:02] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. So, you know, you just put them in one of those tail crushers and just,   you know, make it a real find,   like talcum powder.   Man, you know what? Just   I can't remember what comedian says. Like, when I die,   y'all have a party, and you can sit sit around and snort my ashes.   I can't remember what the medium said that, but he said it a hell of a lot better than what I just did.   So, you know,   but   that's   my theory of why JFK   was assassinated.   Okay. Why was Martin Luther King assassinated?  

[01:24:46] Bryan Goodwin:

Because he was he was pissing off Democrats too damn much.  

[01:24:51] Rich Chelson:

Well,   partly   because he wanted   for equal rights.   And see, how did how does equal rights   how is that gonna piss off the Democrats?  

[01:25:06] Bryan Goodwin:

Because the Democrats   didn't want the blacks to have have that type of power because Democrats are always been been the ones on the wrong side of any any,   civil rights.   Oh, right. Yeah. But but the reason why is they they because they are they're easier to control   when you had them under when you had them as a, you know, as a downtrodden   being that, you know, you were like Yeah. Did you Sorry. But you have to drink out of you have to drink out of the, out of the colored,   water fountain. It says back of the bus.   That was   they were easier to control that way.  



[01:25:44] Rich Chelson:

You're right. And who was   the majority of the slave owners?  

[01:25:48] Bryan Goodwin:

They were Democrats.   That's who the the u KKK   and and all that. Yeah.  

[01:25:54] Rich Chelson:

Mhmm.   So it's it's it's the   the must for power   that has been since,   basically, the creation.   No. Well, the creation of   The United States   as a whole.  

[01:26:13] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, you can go back to  

[01:26:15] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah. You can go freaking big you know?  

[01:26:19] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah. Okay. For Adam and Eve.  

[01:26:22] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Who's who's the one?   What group was the ones   that   killed Jesus?   Or   My basic Pharisees?   No. The Pharisees. What's that? No. It wasn't.   No. It wasn't. Who was   it? It was the Jews.  

[01:26:43] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, yeah. But that's what a Pharisee is. Oh, okay. The Pharisees were the, are the,   the ones who thought you need to pray as and,   you know, as   as,   really, they really like to to show their holiness by you know, they're the they're the true   original holy one was real holier than now because look at how can we really pray to our God in this, you know, in this fantastic way? That yeah. Right. But if I think about this with the Pharisees. Yeah. Right. Okay. And it was all to control have the the power of control.  

[01:27:18] Rich Chelson:

Right. Because Jesus was   upsetting that apple cart.  

[01:27:24] Bryan Goodwin:

Mhmm.  

[01:27:25] Rich Chelson:

Okay? And, yes, we can go back to   I'm sure a lot many   aspects in the Bible. I can't name them because,   again, I don't like to read.   But,   yeah, it's all been about the   lust for power. That's what the Democrats   so that they can control those people,   yeah, set the stage for slavery,   Jim Crow laws,   you know, all that other stuff.   And because Martin Luther King   wanted equal rights   for everybody,   He's upset in the apple cart of the people that want the power,   so he's assassinated.  

[01:28:12] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.   Yeah.   Pissed off pissed off Democrats   again.  

[01:28:18] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. And it   and it's been   I can't remember. The first   presidency of Trump when   Maxine Waters   was like, if you see these people out on the streets,   you need to, you know, basically  

[01:28:36] Bryan Goodwin:

get in their face. Violent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All are screaming.   Go goes violent.  

[01:28:41] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   So that's   that's all their their whole way of thinking.   Yeah.   Money, power, and prestige.  

[01:28:52] Bryan Goodwin:

They gather a little bit more if they're able to,   they're able to find a way to circumvent the constitution.   Yep.   Damn second amendment, though, keeps getting in their damn way. That's why they're trying to   trying to do,   trying to do a a,   you know, trying to get   that out of the way.  

[01:29:12] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   And   else?   It will never well,   well, look at Babylon.   Why was Babylon destroyed?   Right.   That was the only time,   and I could be wrong, that I remember   that a people   were   altogether   on one idea,   and that was to build the tower to heaven.  

[01:29:40] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[01:29:41] Rich Chelson:

And God said,   it ain't happening,   and burned it to the ground.  

[01:29:48] Duuude-Ron :

Well, there was well, you have to look at Sodom and Gomorrah, but that's that's a different dynamic. There's   throughout the Bible and history   and time, there's there's been many peoples that have been destroyed   because God said no more that was done in the Old Testament.   But Uh-huh. There's, you know, like like the Tower Of Babel, that's,   yeah, that was, you know, done for a purpose   because God was like, yeah. Oh, no.   You're not the same as me.   You know?   Exactly.   And and there's and there's other   peoples that   that were wiped off, annihilated because   they followed   a king who was   not a godly person,   not a godly king. So,   I mean, there's been a few others   throughout time.  



[01:30:43] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   Noah?  

[01:30:46] Duuude-Ron :

Well, yeah. Because yeah.   Yeah. And Noah built the ark and   because   God gave everyone a chance,   and again, it's correct.   We have free will. We we can choose   whether we want to or not.   And everybody was like, yeah. Screw you. We don't believe you.   Yeah. Noah said, okay.   I'm going in New York. See you later.   Next thing you know,   him and his family and   their families and all like that is the only ones left,   and they start all over.  

[01:31:23] Rich Chelson:

Yep.   And guess what?   We done fucked it up again.  

[01:31:28] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, we've been doing it.  

[01:31:30] Rich Chelson:

Well,   yeah. Ever since this thing  

[01:31:34] Duuude-Ron :

this thing I've been I've been kinda half assing and not not not really paying attention to everyone,   you know, saying, oh, it's the end of times and blah blah blah. People pick up a freaking Bible, will you, or open a Bible app on your phone?   You don't even have to own a Bible nowadays. Get a Bible app.   It'll read it to you if you don't wanna read it.   Just but but read Revelation.   It'll tell you exactly what's gonna happen.   It's not gonna tell you when because no one knows,   dumbasses.  

[01:32:11] Rich Chelson:

Well,   and from what and from what I remember in   Catholicism,   the only thing that has not happened yet,   and I could be wrong, is the breaking of the seals.  

[01:32:25] Duuude-Ron :

There's a lot that hasn't happened yet because   because before the seals are broke,   you've got a lot more stuff that that has to happen, dude.  

[01:32:36] Rich Chelson:

Okay. Well, I believe you.  

[01:32:38] Duuude-Ron :

A lot more stuff that has to happen.  

[01:32:41] Rich Chelson:

Now is it the end of times?   Well, it's closer to the end of times   today   than it was when   Jesus walked the Earth.  

[01:32:53] Duuude-Ron :

Well, yes.  

[01:32:54] Rich Chelson:

But how long have people been saying it's the end of days?   Centure   you know? Yeah. Centuries.  

[01:33:03] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Well, so, I mean, since   since   Jesus walked the earth.   You see, that's the thing. You know? You see, everyone you see the see, this is something a lot of people don't understand.   Okay?   Our concept of time and God's concept of time are two totally different timepieces.   God does not have a time mix.   His time mix is totally different from ours.  

[01:33:30] Rich Chelson:

Right. We we have ours on a flat line.   God has his   jumbled up   ball of yarn,   that timeline is not straight. It's all compressed   into a great big ball   Right. For a lack of a better term.   That's how he sees it. We see   it as a straight timeline.  

[01:33:56] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. We think in twenty four hours.   And now That's correct.   And that's in fact, I'm gonna look this up so I can read this.  

[01:34:08] Rich Chelson:

We will   never ever   be able to comprehend   time   like God   No. Or Jesus.  

[01:34:19] Duuude-Ron :

God and Jesus are the same. So  

[01:34:23] Rich Chelson:

That was my point.   Yeah.   But   The Holy Trinity.  

[01:34:28] Duuude-Ron :

Second Peter three eight.   But do not forget this one thing, dear friends.   With the Lord, a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.   You can't. Yep.   It's it's that simple.  

[01:34:44] Rich Chelson:

Right. And You know? There are I and there ain't one human alive   that can   truly   understand   that concept   because we   deal with time   on   a single line plateau.  

[01:35:02] Bryan Goodwin:

No. Actually, actually, we we a good example of this   is to to show how   how, you know, a thousand years is a day and a day is a thousand years.   And and that we actually experience that is   how long five minutes is depends entirely upon upon which side of the door you're on.   Because if you're on the wrong side of the bathroom door and you need to use it and someone's in there saying five more minutes, that seems like about five thousand years out there.  

[01:35:33] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Okay. Touche, Brian. Touche.   Yeah. Oh, damn. That was a good one. That was a good one.   Oh, shoot.   But see, it also says in, Revelation   that   no one, not one man, not even Jesus Christ   knows the day nor the hour of when God will come again.   And and it can't be   math. It can't be supercomputed.   It can't be AI computed.   So so saying we're close to the end of times   is false.   It is pure false   because,   like like you said, dude,   our concept   of space and time is totally different   from God's.   Yep.   Totally different.   And I don't care what you do.   Your kid can't   figure it out.  



[01:36:31] Rich Chelson:

Nope. Okay.   Let's then and I agree with you guys   wholeheartedly.   You know? Can't can't argue it. How about the big bang theory?  

[01:36:43] Bryan Goodwin:

Okay. Let me just big bang theory. Okay.  

[01:36:46] Rich Chelson:

Do you believe in the big bang theory?  

[01:36:48] Duuude-Ron :

No.  

[01:36:49] Rich Chelson:

No?   Well,   see, I do.   Okay.   And the reason why I say I do   is because God said,   bam,   and it all happened. Let there be light,  

[01:37:03] Bryan Goodwin:

and so there's a big bang.  

[01:37:04] Rich Chelson:

So there was a big bang,   but god created the big bang.  

[01:37:09] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. I see your point. I I   I see your point. I can't I can't really argue that   that that logic there except   except though except though   God took seven days to do it, and most scientists say this all just   appeared out of nowhere.  

[01:37:29] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. But seven days is a thousand years, and the seven and seven year a thousand years is a single day.  

[01:37:35] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Okay. Okay.   Alright.  

[01:37:38] Bryan Goodwin:

So your point there, but yet okay. Or just depends on which side of the bathroom door you're on.  

[01:37:45] Duuude-Ron :

No. Hold on. No. Hold on. No.   Explain then   all about man coming from monkey.  

[01:37:53] Rich Chelson:

Absolutely   not.  

[01:37:56] Bryan Goodwin:

No. It's just the it there it's just a theory. It's like, well, there's there's apes that look a lot like other apes, and then there are apes that look a lot more   humanoid.  

[01:38:08] Rich Chelson:

Okay. It's  

[01:38:10] Bryan Goodwin:

I mean, they're just they're they're creatures that have, that have been in the,   been in the timeline and have gone extinct.  

[01:38:19] Duuude-Ron :

But but no. No. You see you see, that's the thing.   Freaking evolutionists or the big bang theory people   lump this   with monkeys.   See a see a becoming man.   And that that   that does not and cannot will never compute   because of the simple fact is   if that's the case,   then why aren't more monkeys   becoming human? Because there's still monkeys today   that   might look a little more human than they should.  

[01:38:56] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. I mean, there's orangutans are incredibly smart, I mean, and stuff. But, again,   they're they're still orangutans.   They're just a particular, you know, style of primate.   But, you know, again, it's   the proof that that it was that of intelligent design   is the fact that,   to me, is that   all the symbiotic   relationships   that go on   naturally occurring in   in in life in in the world. So you have orchids   that do not do any harm to their host   plant,   but they actually provide   they actually help the the   the the plants   that they are that they are attached to.   Even even the carnivorous plants out there is a sign of well,   we've got places that we can plant these these creatures, but these plants but they real it's not really, really good nitrogen. So let's make them they chop on the on other insects, and they get their extra all the nutrients they need from there. So   that, that just shows me that, you know no. There's there's some definitely some thoughts going in there and a sense of humor because, I mean, they   God went off the flamingos kneecaps on backwards just for good shits and giggles.  

So   it it's just one of those one of those things where yeah. Okay. Yeah. I see where the I see where the the   the   the big bang people   wanna think that, oh, no. No. We we just all of a sudden out of nowhere just had a had a loud really loud   go on, and all life came out of out of it.   Now that didn't make a whole lot of sense. Yeah. There might have been a big pop that was probably God clapping his hands going,   boom. We've got we've got all the matter in the world that we need   to build everything that we need to do.   Not to mention   the odds of our little planet   finding itself right in the Goldilocks   zone of of a   of a of a solar system   Right.  

Is is   just, again, shows that yeah. Okay. Something else is going on. Yeah. Are there are there planets that are probably just as as Goldilocks as this? Maybe bigger, maybe smaller?   Yeah. Yeah. There's a good chance with as many planets as there are out there.   Yeah. There's a damn good chance that there are,   there are other plant   planets out there that have got some form of life.  

[01:41:34] Duuude-Ron :

But, see, the thing is,   ours is the only one that has been found, that has been made.   It's like this   Right.   That we know of.   You know?   So you know? And, say, that's where   that's where   some of people's   thoughts   on all this. Like, there's still flat Earthers out there.   There's people swear up and down. Earth is still flat.   I don't know how you can   subscribe to that with any kind of sanity,   you know, especially, you know, since that's been proven.  

[01:42:11] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.  

[01:42:12] Duuude-Ron :

Look at space travel. Hello?   But whatever, I guess.   That's kinda funny, though, dude.   You know,   when you said you believed in the Big Bang theory and then   explained that, that just   I wouldn't expect in that.   But but you see that that there that there also would, beg the question.   If a tree is in   a forest and falls, does it make it sound   And no one's around to hear it.  

[01:42:47] Rich Chelson:

Sure. Sure does.  

[01:42:49] Duuude-Ron :

I say it does.  

[01:42:51] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. I I actually think that's the time the trees actually go, damn. That hurt.  

[01:42:56] Duuude-Ron :

Right? Now I've never heard a tree say that, but Oh, I neither.   Yeah. I know. Because it you   because that's like you know, I've   I've been out in nature just minding my own business. All of a sudden, I hear crack, crack, crack. Bam.   I'm like, damn.   So, yes, it does make a sound.  

[01:43:18] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.   Yeah. But you're around to hear it, so they and they knew that you were there, so they weren't gonna say anything.  

[01:43:24] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, okay.  

[01:43:25] Rich Chelson:

Well,   it's sound only.   Yeah. And sound only travels   so far.  

[01:43:34] Duuude-Ron :

Right? But sound can travel pretty damn far.  

[01:43:37] Rich Chelson:

It it can.   But, eventually,   it   It gets tired.  

[01:43:45] Bryan Goodwin:

Okay. Yeah. You're right. It gets tired. It gets tired because they're fine.  

[01:43:51] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   And so,   you know, everything starts to block it, and it just starts to diminish.   Right. But it was there initially.   Yeah. Just yeah. You weren't there to specifically hear that.   Just like   Bella heard the lightning   over by your house, but I didn't hear it.  

[01:44:13] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   So who would say that? True.  

[01:44:17] Bryan Goodwin:

But then you have the eruptions like the Krakatoa explosion, which went   The black the sound away from that went around the Earth, like, three times   is what they say.  

[01:44:27] Rich Chelson:

What's that?  

[01:44:28] Bryan Goodwin:

The explosion,   the Krakatoa   volcanic eruption,   which was supposedly the loudest   known as ever created.   And apparently, it's circumvented the world, like, three times.  

[01:44:42] Duuude-Ron :

Really?  

[01:44:44] Bryan Goodwin:

I didn't hear it. I think well, no. Because this was before you were even   this was before your dad was even thought of.  

[01:44:51] Rich Chelson:

Oh.  

[01:44:52] Bryan Goodwin:

I was like in the I think it was in, like, in the '18 and hundreds. I'd have to look that one up. I can't tell you exactly when the Krakatoa   Volcano erupted.  

[01:45:00] Duuude-Ron :

I hear.  

[01:45:02] Rich Chelson:

Damn. That would have been   pretty damn violent because   I didn't hear the explosion when Saint Mount Saint Helens   blew off half the freaking  

[01:45:12] Bryan Goodwin:

the outside of the half the mountain. Yeah.  

[01:45:15] Duuude-Ron :

Uh-huh.   No. I didn't hear that one explode   either.   See, eighteen   minutes. It says it's,   it says it's the loudest sound ever heard   detonated in a Sunday straight between Java and   Sumatra,   Indonesia.   But they had nothing to really measure sound back then.  

[01:45:41] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[01:45:43] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, not that they had anything to measure   measure it with, but   they got reports from people,   and from there, we're able to extrapolate the the number of decibels.  

[01:45:55] Duuude-Ron :

Well, they said the explosion was heard,   about 1,930   miles away in Perth, Western Australia,   and Rodriguez   near   Maritas.  

[01:46:07] Bryan Goodwin:

I thought they said that went around three times, or is that the or was that the seismic,   vibration size? Me get through this.   Okay.   It's saying Something happened three times with this thing. I know it did. Well, it's  

[01:46:22] Duuude-Ron :

saying, Roderick,   after Perth at 1,930   miles away,   someone said they heard it near Marietta,   about 3,000 miles away.   They say the acoustic pressure wave circled the globe   more than three times.  

[01:46:39] Bryan Goodwin:

Okay.  

[01:46:40] Duuude-Ron :

That was   let's see.   Simon   GJ Simon's   book on the eruption of   Krakatoa   and subsequent   phenomena,   report   of the Krakatoa   Committee of the Royal Society,   London 1888.  

[01:47:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Well well, you two keep talking about this. I've gotta   I gotta go check-in real quick. So Okay. Alright. Well, you have fun with checking in.  

[01:47:14] Rich Chelson:

And what what year   was that,   Rich?  

[01:47:19] Duuude-Ron :

1883.   1883?   Okay. Mhmm.   But, see, that's where   I would probably have to read this book to see how they figured   that the acoustic pressure wave circled the globe more than three times. How did they measure that? I mean, I'm not saying it didn't.   Okay?   But I'm I just I just I just wanna know   how did they measure that.   Right. Oh, I got it. I get it. You know? Because, I mean, I mean, stuff like that, you know, I you you know, when I ask questions like that, I'm not   I'm not I'm I'm not I'm not trying to, you know, disprove the people. I know. It's just, you know,   I wanna know the science behind it. You know?  



[01:48:06] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. That's why we have   open discussion.  

[01:48:10] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:48:11] Rich Chelson:

Like, we're doing right now.   And and they're and, you know,   we can   agree to disagree, and we do all the time   Right. While we're chatting.   But   my gun has not   jumped off the fucking   grandfather clock that sits right by the front door.   My gun has not   jumped off the grandfather clock and shot anybody  

[01:48:37] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right.  

[01:48:39] Rich Chelson:

During our discussion   because I was upset that   you didn't agree   with   what I said.  

[01:48:47] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right. Same same here. Mine mine stayed stayed where they were at. You know? They didn't jump off because we disagree.   Because, I mean,   sometimes I'm wrong. Sometimes you're wrong. Sometimes we're both wrong.   You know?   I mean, it just it's whatever it is. You know? If we're wrong, we're wrong.   You know? If if if we say something   neither one of us likes, then   you either suck it up and move on or you talk about it, one or the other.  

[01:49:19] Rich Chelson:

And if one of our audience members, we say something, man,   you can disprove it and show us. You know what   has now happened?   I have learned   Thank you. One more thing in my life   Thank you. That I didn't know.   Right. Same here. Yep. Yeah. You know, talking about this and   raw and dude's opinion,   I may be talking out the side of my head. And if I get corrected,   you know what? I just learned something.   Now that makes me a better person.  

[01:49:56] Duuude-Ron :

Exactly.  

[01:49:57] Rich Chelson:

Because knowledge is power.  

[01:50:00] Duuude-Ron :

That's right.   That is right.   But, yeah, a lot of people don't.   They just   they just wanna sit there and and   talk about the shit everybody else is talking about, whether it's right or   whether it's wrong or not. They don't care.  

[01:50:17] Rich Chelson:

Mhmm.   You know? And what gets me with   the news   is   I usually watch   Fox   for my news.   Right. You know, I watch Jesse Waters   and Gutfeld   and,   you know, a couple of others,   you know, really kind of gotten away from   the angle.   For those five shows, except for,   the same   thing that the previous show   said.   You know, there's gotta be more news   in the world.   Okay? One show   discusses   x.   The next show   discusses   y.   The next show discusses   z.   Don't regurgitate   the shit.   Right.   And and that's what all this media does is they just regurgitate   stuff   that okay. If any   really important   story matter, like, okay, when   Kennedy was shot,   and, basically,   United States world stopped,   and everybody it was talking about it. But, you know, there's so much other fucking news to talk about,   and I understand. And I   I enjoyed   Charlie Kirk   Kirk's   discussions,   you know,   the stuff that I saw with his debates and someone like that. But   that is the only topic   right now and has been for the last twelve days. It's like,   you know, other places have made history in the past twelve days.  

Yeah. Let's   you know?  

[01:52:15] Duuude-Ron :

But, see, sadly, that is that is what   all the news media outlets around the world   do anymore.   They latch on to one thing,   and they talk about it to death. And Oh, yeah.   People gravitate   and listen to it thinking   they're gonna get one sliver of new piece of information,   and they're not.   You know what I mean? And it's like Yeah.   You know, find find another   media,   any media   that talks about other shit.   Because there are a couple that are out there. They don't   all talk about the same thing, but   quite a freaking lot of them do.   Yeah. And, see, that's why I stopped watching Fox News just because of that. ABC, NBC, CBS,   all these other channels,   they just rehash   the same shit, change the words up,   but say the same fucking thing if they're saying anything at all.  

Yep.   You know? Which nine ten by 10 or nine.   Yeah.   Exactly.   You know? And and and, you know, it's not it's not just about   the Charlie Kirk,   you know, assassination because I enjoyed listening to to him too. It's about every major news   new or thing   that,   you know, media wants to make newsworthy.   It's about anything.   It's not just, you know, one certain thing. It's it's just everything.  

[01:53:49] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. And It's like bullshit.   Yeah. And it's it's the narrative   of   which political party   are they associated with.  

[01:54:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.  

[01:54:05] Rich Chelson:

Whether it's the   newscasters   or   the hierarchy   of those particular   networks.  

[01:54:16] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:54:17] Rich Chelson:

You know? Okay. I   say the the CEO of   station or   of network   x y z   is democrat.   That's that's what he wants to fucking cover is everything on the democratic side   and bash on the republican.   And it's also vice versa.  

[01:54:41] Duuude-Ron :

Yep.   Well, see, the thing is when we had Rush Limbaugh,   that's a name that's not talked about anymore.   The freaking Democrats   really hated it because   he had such a following   that that I mean, they made it their personal mission to try and get him off the air. The only thing that freaking got him off the air was   a brain tumor.   Oh, no. Lung cancer.   No. He had a brain tumor, didn't he? No. It was lung cancer.   Sure about that. Yep.  

[01:55:15] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, either way, I actually   I I remember the time when he when he talked about it   on air. It was   I was I was listening to listening to him that, on that particular day.   And yeah.   Because   a lot of people a lot of the left was making comments about, you know, because he always had   talked about his formerly nicotine stained fingers, but he enjoyed good cigars.   And they were trying to equate cigar usage to his to his lung cancer.  

[01:55:47] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.   Well, who was I thinking of that had brain cancer   that,  

[01:55:54] Bryan Goodwin:

that died here in the last   recently.   I see.   Ben Carson is a   is a neurosurgeon.  

[01:56:03] Duuude-Ron :

There's   there there was someone  

[01:56:06] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, Tony Snow. Tony Snow had the brain cancer.  

[01:56:10] Duuude-Ron :

Tony Snow.  

[01:56:11] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. He was a,   he was   George w Bush's,   press secretary.  

[01:56:21] Duuude-Ron :

No. It's not who I'm thinking of. I thought it was someone else.  

[01:56:24] Bryan Goodwin:

See here. Media   or, say, conservative media.   Oh, this  

[01:56:31] Duuude-Ron :

I thought I thought there was someone   on the right, whether they were in congress or   whatever or   a media figure, whatnot, had brain cancer and died from it. I could be wrong.  

[01:56:45] Rich Chelson:

Well, because, you know, you guys are talking about Rush Limbaugh.   You know, I was not a follower   or listener of Rush Limbaugh.   I I personally didn't   like to listen to him.   Okay. But I want but  

[01:57:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Mia Love died of a brain a brain tumor.   Who?   Mia Love.   She was,   she was being   during Trump's first   during the election cycle that got Trump elected the first time.  

[01:57:21] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. No.   No. I   person I'm thinking of and, again, like I said, I'm I might be totally off base here, but the person I'm thinking of was   a big major person.   Now, I mean,   if you mentioned the name,   everybody,   who's anybody,   who even had half a brain would know.   You know?   But   maybe I'm  

[01:57:49] Bryan Goodwin:

wrong. Oh, you're   never wrong.  

[01:57:54] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. About that.  

[01:57:57] Bryan Goodwin:

Guess what? You're wrong.  

[01:58:00] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. You're wrong.   Because, yeah, I I am wrong quite a bit,   and I ain't afraid to admit it.  

[01:58:11] Bryan Goodwin:

I'll admit it, but it'll take some it'll take some convincing.  

[01:58:15] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Say with me. If I find out I'm wrong, I'll tell you. Yep. I was fucking   yeah. That   I don't know. It just   like I said, man,   this shit's just gonna happen   whether we want it to or not.  

[01:58:31] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.  

[01:58:32] Duuude-Ron :

Best thing to do,   do you, boo?   Enjoy life. Absolutely.   Enjoy life   and screw it.  

[01:58:42] Bryan Goodwin:

Screw life, Well, alright. Well, I mean, yeah. I guess you see, everyone's got their own little kink.  

[01:58:48] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right. You know?   Some swing one way, some swing the other, and some Yeah. Say screw it.   But that's the thing. You know, we can't   let this crap   control us because   this is the same shit that's been going on   minimum   sixty years.  

[01:59:07] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, it's the same crap that's been going on since man was man first stepped on earth.   Well I mean, you had you had The first month or  

[01:59:17] Duuude-Ron :

two. Well, while man was on earth, life was pretty good till the apple thing after the apple thing. The apple thing. Yeah. You know?  

[01:59:26] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Till eBay, that's out of house and home.  

[01:59:30] Duuude-Ron :

But, you know,   but still   you know? And that's and   that's the thing. Just   stop.   A lot of people would be happier. Therapists will hate us because they won't have no one to fix,   but, we don't care.  

[01:59:48] Bryan Goodwin:

They just call us toxic positivity.  

[01:59:51] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right. Well, I gotta say,   I don't know what we've done this month,   and this month's not over yet.   But I can say unequivocally   as   from PodHome Stats,   this is our best month ever since we have started this podcast.  

[02:00:12] Bryan Goodwin:

Sounds good.  

[02:00:13] Duuude-Ron :

At 343   downloads this month.   Now Pod Stats   says we've had 38   in,   September.   We had 65 in August, so we're on track to   get close   to August downloads.  

[02:00:32] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.  

[02:00:34] Duuude-Ron :

But, yeah, we had, one day,   September 20,   says   we had 71 download.  

[02:00:44] Bryan Goodwin:

Wait.   That's the highest highest Someone decided to listen to all the episodes.   I wonder if that was one of that was oh oh,   oh, what's that? I can't Steven. I wonder if that was,   Steven said that he he listens to our show.  

[02:01:00] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   But on the twentieth,  

[02:01:03] Bryan Goodwin:

and he said last night that Oh, yeah. That he was only, yeah, he's only been in a nine. I'm sorry. One   well, you know, he he may have he may have listened to a hell of a lot of rich.  

[02:01:14] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you know, and and a whole lot of Brian and a whole lot of dude.   Here's the thing.   This is our seventy first episode   at three hours plus each episode.   You ain't got enough hours in a week   to   to listen to all those episodes. Well, you know,  

[02:01:35] Bryan Goodwin:

I'm trying to remember when it makes a good night, but, you know I wanna when I wonder if Steven was   I'm trying to remember when he first started listening to us, so I thought it was at the August.  

[02:01:46] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, I don't know. I   I mean, honestly, I don't I don't think he even remembers.  

[02:01:54] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, yeah.   David, if you're listening, you can send us an email over at [email protected]   or [email protected].   Let us know when you started listening.  

[02:02:05] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   Now now I hey. Hey, dude. You still there? Are you awake?   Oh, yeah. Oh. Okay. I I just make sure, dude. It's getting late now. I just make sure. Yeah.   The, the, episode last week   was titled   getting across   Ron's crack.  

[02:02:27] Bryan Goodwin:

I like the, like what the AI put together.  

[02:02:30] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Well, actually, that was a mix of the titles we came up with and what and what AI come up with. Right.   So that was us and AI together.  

[02:02:41] Bryan Goodwin:

But Well, I'm just talking about the picture, picture of the Jeep that's sitting there straddled   by just this little bitty short little bitty short suspension bridge.  

[02:02:51] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Yeah. They are in fact in fact, on that picture when I first did it, it it it had a person   walking across the bridge,   and I told AI, I said, no. Put a Jeep on it.   And that's what come up. I'm like, hell, yeah. That's what I'm talking about. But last week's episode in the first twenty four hours got 10 downloads.   In the first seven days, which would be today,   it's it's had 13 downloads.   Now   the one before that where the title is my therapist says,   that one got 11 downloads in the first twenty four hours,   30 downloads in the first seven days,   and 33   in in the last thirty days, which it's only been out a couple weeks.  



[02:03:42] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.  

[02:03:43] Duuude-Ron :

But   I'm starting to see a little trend   with these titles.   So   I don't I mean, honestly, I don't know.   I can only go by what the numbers are telling me, but our numbers  

[02:03:58] Bryan Goodwin:

from Seem to be improving a little bit. From August 11  

[02:04:02] Duuude-Ron :

till now   have just shot up.   I mean, shot the hell up.   So either we're getting popular   or   we're we're doing something awesome with the SEO  

[02:04:16] Bryan Goodwin:

instead of doing something awesome with the SEO and then the, the audio bots are coming in   and gobbling us up.  

[02:04:23] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   Could be, but   I don't know. Well, I mean, we've got, I don't know,   I'd say 10 or 15 different podcast   players   catch up,   you know, our stuff.   And it's still about 06:00   between six and seven,   and the evening time is when   and that's central time.   Between six and seven is when people listen.  

[02:04:53] Bryan Goodwin:

Yep.   When they decide to grab all the all the new episodes,   that's an interesting time. I wonder why that particular time.  

[02:05:01] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. You know, I I don't know. Maybe they'd   been home from work and   hell. Hell. We got 15 downloads from from Russia.   Seriously.   Wow.  

[02:05:15] Bryan Goodwin:

So so you know they're going,   So  

[02:05:22] Duuude-Ron :

We got we got Russians laughing at us. I know we do.  

[02:05:26] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, yeah. Because they're drunk.  

[02:05:28] Duuude-Ron :

It don't matter. Hey.   We got 16 downloads in Germany,   10 in Spain,   eight in France,   20 in Europe, in in England,   17 in Botswana.  

[02:05:43] Bryan Goodwin:

Botswana.  

[02:05:45] Duuude-Ron :

Botswana.   Yeah. I just I I I just   it's funny. 18 in Australia.  

[02:05:52] Bryan Goodwin:

Hey.  

[02:05:54] Duuude-Ron :

Those boys down there are probably really laughing at us.  

[02:05:57] Rich Chelson:

I'm sure I have no doubt in my mind they are.  

[02:06:00] Duuude-Ron :

You know? Because Which I hate it. That's fine.  

[02:06:03] Rich Chelson:

Well, like you said, with our downloads,   what is one of the things that you usually say at the end of the show?   You know, tell your friends. Tell your enemies.   Right. Well, now I wonder how many   of these people are enemies to the person that told me. Enemies of the enemy.   Exactly.   Yeah. Too bad we too bad we couldn't find out that information.  

[02:06:29] Duuude-Ron :

That would be  

[02:06:30] Rich Chelson:

funny. That would be funny to know.  

[02:06:33] Duuude-Ron :

That would   that would be funny to know which way they leaned.  

[02:06:38] Bryan Goodwin:

Right. Yep.  

[02:06:40] Duuude-Ron :

But but it would be it it it   it could be a bad thing as well because   we could tailor our content,   and I think our show wouldn't do very good.  

[02:06:52] Rich Chelson:

But, David, you Yeah. We're not wrong.  

[02:06:54] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. No. We ain't gonna tailor our content. No. We'd actually have to start doing work on this show, and we wouldn't wanna do that. So Oh, hell no. No.   We Oh, god. Alright. We gotta start reading shit about about something that so we actually know something?   God. No. Let's not do that. That's, you know,   that's unreasonable.  

[02:07:15] Rich Chelson:

Right. That's that's two things.   It's  

[02:07:19] Bryan Goodwin:

damn. Just fucking lost the word. Boy, you took your head, buddy, didn't you?  

[02:07:26] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   I did.  

[02:07:28] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. All those thoughts just rolled right on out of that ear.  

[02:07:32] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. You're right. They hit the hit the earwax and just stuck right there.   And   the I'll maybe take them in about 03:00 in the morning. You know? Uh-huh. No Brian's gonna be up, so I'll text you.  

[02:07:47] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, okay. Okay.   Well,   I'll I'll be up. I'll be I'll definitely be hearing about it. Yeah.  

[02:07:56] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   I don't understand. In the last thirty days, we've had a 159   unique   listeners.  

[02:08:04] Bryan Goodwin:

There you go.  

[02:08:06] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[02:08:07] Bryan Goodwin:

And what thirty days?  

[02:08:10] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   And what what qualifies   by AI   as a unique   listener?  

[02:08:19] Duuude-Ron :

Someone who are are showing and downloaded it.  

[02:08:23] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Like in   IAB stats wise, it is   one one download from one IP address   within a twenty four hour period.   That's a unique that's a unique download.  

[02:08:38] Rich Chelson:

Alrighty.   That explained not a fucking thing to me. However,  

[02:08:43] Bryan Goodwin:

that's okay. We are not gonna go into depth because No. No. Let let let's dive a little bit into that because what it happens so, like, if someone's listening to our show while diving down the road,   they're hopping from one one cell tower to another.   And when they jump from one cell tower to another,   you get assigned a different IP address. An IP address is a unique   set of numbers   for your for that particular phone to   so that, the computers on the Internet know where they need to send the information.   And so that's   you have so, like, you know, you may have, like, one nine two dot one six eight dot two two four   dot one zero   three. Yep. And so everybody   when you're when you're do doing a download, it goes, okay. Well, we need to send it to this IP address, and so it will send   the download to that IP address. Well, if you're halfway through that download   and you hit a different tower,   you'll hit a you'll actually hit a different you'll have a different IP address through that. And so there's ways of being able to tie all those all those strings of of IPs. So it's not exactly one IP within a download,   but it's, it's a particular amount of download within a particular   frame of time.  

I I'm, I'm the people who have actually come up with it are way smarter than I am, so I'm explaining it incredibly poorly. But,   anyhow, there's a way to be able to tell when one person downloads a an episode.   Now an episode does not equal or listen,   but it does it does let people know, hey. You're at least being downloaded. You're you know, someone know did notice you.   There are ways of being able to tell if you listen, but the problem is that you're giving up your,   your your actually   looking in basically looking into your your   audience's   app and saying, hey.  

Your your app is reporting the information, which   Apple does,   Spotify does, YouTube does,   but the a lot of the other legacy and podcast two point o apps, they do not. Though there are   means of people trying to figure out how do we do this so that we actually can measure   listens.   People love love listens until they find out what listens actually mean, and then all of a sudden, everybody's gonna be throwing a fit because it's gonna be like the great haircut that Apple gave three or four years ago,   where they all of a sudden were like, yeah. You know that automatic download thing if when you   when you start a podcast when you're listening to a podcast, you haven't listened to it in, like,   six weeks or whatever, and you start listening to it again,   then it automatically starts downloading all the episodes that you missed   up to that, six hour time. Because after a while, it's like after about three or four   weeks of no downloads, it suspends the downloads on you.  

And it used to be when it's once it stops suspending the download, it would just you and you started listening again, It would grab all the old, all the old episodes that you had not listened to up to the most current one. So you'd get this little   little   plateau, and then all of a sudden there'd be a big jump, and then it would go back down to the plateau.   And a lot of people were liking this. The but the sad problem is is, like I said, downloads do not equal listens.   So you have   a whole bunch of downloads, and a lot of times people will see it and go, well, shit. I don't need to listen to 14 episodes. I'm just gonna delete those and listen to the last, you know, the last one or the last three.   And so   all of a sudden,   the great haircut came along where Apple was like, if you wanna listen to the old app and back episodes, you actually have to manually   choose download back episode.  

We're not doing it automatically anymore. And a lot of,   a lot of the big podcast,   shows   ended up having to do make good on with their advertisers, which is basically   give them free   free advertising spots for for a spot for a time period period.   So till they got up to however much money they spent.   So they spent, you know, $10,000   on advertising   and actually only got   $4,000   worth of downloads, then they know that they have to go off and give $6,000   worth of of advertising   to the to the other guy or give the $6,000   back, which they're not gonna do because they've already spent it the most times.  

So   but it's it'd be nice to be able to see how many people actually do listen except for the fact that you don't wanna hear that because the moment you find out that the people are actually listening is even fewer than the downloads.   You're gonna your your your ego is gonna get hurt even more.  

[02:13:49] Duuude-Ron :

Well, I look at it. If they download   it, I don't care when they It's a listen.  

[02:13:54] Bryan Goodwin:

Exactly.  

[02:13:55] Duuude-Ron :

You know, I mean, I want them to listen to it right then, but if if they wanna wait for six months, go for it.   You know? Right.  

[02:14:05] Bryan Goodwin:

If you get to it in a year, go for it. Yeah. Well, then, usually, I it takes me about three, four weeks to get around to actually listening to the episodes.   So Right.   Because hell, I'm I'm just out like I said last night, I'm just out getting caught up to   to listen to everybody talk about the passing of of Todd Cochran. So   and just they've got some stories about him that are just absolutely insane. I did not know Todd was as as much of a firebrand as he was. Oh, hello. Deer in the middle of the road. Hello.   Red deer in the middle of the road, actually. Well, I didn't kill him.  



[02:14:43] Duuude-Ron :

But   Yeah. No. It is. I mean,   I don't worry too much about downloads because, I mean, we've been doing this, and, yeah, I looked at the numbers every once in a while. And   I see the numbers, and it's just it's like, okay. Well, there's people still listening.   Now I'm happy. Yay.   Or or at least at least people downloading.   You know, that's the thing. For me, if one person listens,   downloads and listens, I'm I'm good.  

[02:15:12] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, we need to have it more than   three downloads.   So because one of those downloads is me. I think you've probably got one of the downloads too.   Right. And then third download would be Steven. So you know   Well, I mean, you know, either way, I mean That might be four because I think Josh listens to it from to us from time to time too.  

[02:15:35] Duuude-Ron :

Well, I mean, obviously, with the, past couple emails that I've gotten that that you and I have talked about. Uh-huh.   At least at least someone has heard of us.  

[02:15:46] Bryan Goodwin:

You know? I mean They've heard of us? Yeah. And I was meaning to ask,   on those on those emails, it kinda start off with, I hope this email finds you well.   No. Okay. Good. Then that well, at least that that would  

[02:16:01] Duuude-Ron :

probably wasn't AI that sent the email. So No. No. These were these were actual written emails because   I emailed the first guy back, the PodMatch guy.   Oh, yeah. Alex and   and Filipino.   Yep. And I I I just told him. I said, dude, I said,   we're not an interview style show. We're we're not a match. He said, man, I'm sorry about that. And   and he   was having a thing that he's like he's like, I can give you tickets to it. You know? I I didn't I didn't go any further there. Right. And and then the other guy, Guseppe,   he   he's the one that does a fair a franchise thing for   he worded it towards veterans. I don't know if he does. I looked at his website.  

Right. I mean, I mean, he does it for people,   which that's fine. You know? And that's all that's good. You know? He's like, I, you know, I can explain what I do on your show. And I told him, I said, man, I'm sorry. I said, but we're not an interview style show.   You know? And he's like, okay.   So, I mean, they were real nice about it.  

[02:17:10] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[02:17:11] Duuude-Ron :

But, I mean, obviously,   someone has found us other than   people outside of our circle. You know what I mean?  

[02:17:20] Bryan Goodwin:

So   Well, as long as you aren't like me, for whatever reason, because my show is targeted towards men,   I'm always going I'm always getting guys like the, you know, the the penis doctor, blah blah blah blah. And I'm like, well, that's the we're not the best fat   fucking man. They're not   there's bigger issues in men than   than having a having a limp noodle. Sorry. But,   you wanna be I can you can actually listen through the show, and that that'll actually fix your limp noodle problems nine times out of ten.  

[02:17:51] Duuude-Ron :

Alright.  

[02:17:53] Bryan Goodwin:

Because it'll because all it is, you just gotta stop   stop watching porn, stop flogging the dolphin quite as much.   I understand that, there's a lot of studies out there that tell you that a man who   has a release at least once a week decreases his chances of prostate cancer by something like fifty to sixty percent. I mean, it's a lot.  

[02:18:13] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[02:18:14] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. I had heard that too. But at the same time, you know,   less some less some little sexual frustration build up. It it   puts you on the prowl and helps you,   actually notice when girls are paying attention to you. Right.   And you become more responsive to girls when they do pay attention to  

[02:18:35] Duuude-Ron :

you. We'll say we'll say us the thing. Once a week isn't bad. You know? If you're doing it nine times a day every day You're gonna break the damn thing off eventually.   Well, I mean,   I've never heard of that happening. Not saying it hasn't.   You never know.   It's never happened to me. So  

[02:18:55] Bryan Goodwin:

No. No. That happened to me in   high school. Good grief.   Right.  

[02:19:01] Duuude-Ron :

But,   yeah, no. That's you see, that's where that's where that would   that there would kinda upset me. You know? People like that, you know, they're just like, oh, it's a men's show. I can do this. I can do that. Yeah. No. The fuck you can't. Because if you could,   you wouldn't be trying   to freaking   hustle me to get on my toes to push your snake oil, dude.   You know? And that's that's   people, they just   it just gets me wound up sometimes. Oh, yeah.   Just because it's like and   go ahead, dude.  

[02:19:39] Rich Chelson:

And that's when you wanna stop   peopling.  

[02:19:44] Duuude-Ron :

Right?   Right? That is true.  

[02:19:47] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.   That that or you can actually go off and see how many of those people how many people you can actually piss off while you're peopling, and then that starts to get a little fun.   Can you really irritate it kinda irritates you just a little bit more.  

[02:20:03] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   But yeah. No. That's you see, when   when   I had asked you about,   you know, those two emails I got,   I had gotten one from the PodMatch guy, I don't know, probably two, three weeks before.   Uh-huh. I just I glanced to it, and I'm like, yeah. No.  

[02:20:22] Bryan Goodwin:

Nah.  

[02:20:23] Duuude-Ron :

Not even thinking about it.   You know? And then and I didn't reply or anything.   And then   when he sent   the second email, I'm like, alright. Let me look at him.   I looked at him. Yeah. No. Ain't gonna happen.   But, you know, I figured I figured it's something.  

[02:20:42] Bryan Goodwin:

You know I mean, if if we were,   if we were if we had a   distinct message that we were talking about.   That'd be different. That'd be different. Yeah. It's like, okay. Yep. Yep. Yep. We'll bring someone in, but, no, we're we're just talking bullshit, you know, whatever comes to our mind   at that particular time.   Mhmm. And so, yeah, we're gonna talk about current events. We're gonna talk about past events. We're gonna talk about non events. You know? We're gonna Right. We just we'll just talk to it, you know,   just just to disturb the air   pretty much.  



[02:21:16] Duuude-Ron :

Pretty much.  

[02:21:18] Bryan Goodwin:

You can argue.  

[02:21:20] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Pretty much is what we do. You know? And it's, you see, that's the thing, though. That's that's why that's why   that's why I like our show,   you know, especially like it is because,   you know,   not many people   will sit and talk like this.   Right. Talk about 20 different freaking subjects   in a matter of three hours.   Oh, no. It's only one subject or maybe two subjects.   You know? And,   you know, expand your mind. Expand your horizons.   You know?  

[02:21:56] Bryan Goodwin:

Okay. Well, it's been able to talk and know that you're probably getting some facts wrong, but at the same time, they'll fit your narrative. So keep them going.   Right.  

[02:22:07] Duuude-Ron :

But yeah. That you know? And that's that's the whole thing. That's why that's why I like I like   I like how we do this. Right.   Because,   you know, I mean, I don't know about y'all, but   I got a feeling   I kinda know, but   we all learn something just about every week   one way or another.  

[02:22:30] Bryan Goodwin:

Absolutely.   Yeah.  

[02:22:32] Duuude-Ron :

You know? I mean, something something we didn't know.   Brian might know or dude might know or, you know, what or all the way around. You know?   And it's like,   You know? I I mean, I I might learn something from dude, but I could still think dude's full of shit because I love him like that. Brian, the same way. You know? Yeah.  

[02:22:54] Bryan Goodwin:

I'm well, I tell people, don't don't don't listen to me. You know, my mouth is open. There's shit coming out, man. Just don't don't listen to what I'm saying.  

[02:23:05] Rich Chelson:

And, Rich, as far as that comment   that goes that you just said  

[02:23:10] Bryan Goodwin:

Uh-huh.  

[02:23:11] Rich Chelson:

I resemble that remark.  

[02:23:15] Duuude-Ron :

No. It just it it it just but you see, that's the thing, though.   We can do this,   and and   we know where everyone's coming from,   and we still enjoy each other's company. That's the main thing.  

[02:23:29] Bryan Goodwin:

That's that's the key part. Just friendship in general.   You don't actually want a friendship,   friendship instance where it's all we're just all absolutely in lockstep   agree with everything that each other thinks because   that's that pushback, yeah, it feels a little weird. It feels a little   odd to say, oh, shit, man. I just blew it. I just blew a friendship part. No. No. That is silly. And if you and if you what you said caused you to lose friendships, that's not your doing.   That's the guy who couldn't handle a different a different line of thought.   Right. And that's precisely what Charlie Kirk was just trying to teach everybody. He's like, yeah. We've all got different thoughts. You can actually have   good conversations.  

And this is what college is supposed to be about is you've got a thought you've got a a a thesis or a, a theory,   and you post it out there and everybody else goes, yeah. No. That's something wrong with that. And so you have to defend your thoughts.   And your thought will either withstand   the fires of,   criticism   and become better and stronger for it, or even more as, oh, yeah. That was kind of a dumb dumb idea to have. Let's let's go to let's let's alter it a little bit, see how well it stands.   It's three months standing really good. Okay. So we can't have become girls, girls, brown boys.   So, you know, maybe   there's just, you know, maybe there's just   straight and gay.  

Well, yeah. We've we've come to that conclusion.   We've got we know that there's the we've got those those,   aspects down.   Boom.   Now it people have been able to to hit those particular,   come to those particular conclusions because they've   been faced with   ridicule, criticism,   and and scorn so much that   they've held up on those slides.   And there's still people that don't agree with them. There are people that still agree with them. But, again,   when they don't hold up to to criticism, you have to shut some, other people down because   you can't handle   the   the the wrong thought. Then we know that your argument   is null and void to begin with.  



[02:25:53] Duuude-Ron :

Right. I've got a question. I've got an answer. Let's see if they match. Well, I I want I wanna hear from you, and I wanna hear from dude on this question. I wanna hear from I I wanna hear.   I got I got this thing in the mail today wanting me to buy term life insurance.   Right? K. And,   wanted me to fill out this application, and I like this, and they're slick because they want me to fill it out and send it back in.   And then   they would say, if we accept you, we'll bill you. That's like, I mean, think I was born this morning?   You all are fucking stupid.  

But, anyway, I was I was reading through, and it said name, address, all that. And this is now   it says gender.   Okay.   Now I'm just wondering   how to how do   all these other   so called genders   classify themselves   when you only have two options,   a male or female,  

[02:26:55] Bryan Goodwin:

an m or an m. They they throw off it because they're not being represented.  

[02:26:59] Duuude-Ron :

I mean yeah. So, dude, what are your thoughts on?  

[02:27:03] Rich Chelson:

Well, they can   whatever they   have decided that they wanna be   a female who wants to be a man,   choose male.  

[02:27:16] Bryan Goodwin:

Okay. But  

[02:27:18] Rich Chelson:

And or vice versa.  

[02:27:20] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. That's false advertising that, man. Now hold it. No. Hold it. Hold it. Okay, dude. On on that premise,   what if that person   chose to be a cat?   There's not an option for a cat, a dog, a bird, a bear, or anything else.  

[02:27:38] Rich Chelson:

Oh,   well, then they're then they're gonna have to come out from underneath their fucking rocks,   see the sunshine,   and take one.  

[02:27:50] Duuude-Ron :

Look down their pants. If they have an any,   an an any, they're female. They have an outie, they're male.   As simple as that.   You know, however  

[02:28:01] Rich Chelson:

however you want them to,   you know, figure out what they are.  

[02:28:08] Duuude-Ron :

You know?  

[02:28:10] Rich Chelson:

Like you said, who cares?  

[02:28:12] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Well, no. I get it. But it was just funny because I'm sitting here looking over the application.   And and, I mean,   the name gender   is, you know, the same font style   letter as everything else.   But Uh-huh. It it just for some reason,   that stuck out because it had gender and it had a box and with an m besides   and a box with an f beside it. And it just got me to thinking. I mean, my brain thinks about so much weird shit nowadays. It's crazy.   But I I just I just wanted to   ask that question of y'all   because I I was I was trying to decide   how does someone else   who who say they're whatever they are, how do they   do   do something like this?  



[02:29:06] Bryan Goodwin:

Most of the time, if I had to guess, if you had one of those really just   stick up your ass type of type of liberal that's like, I am not I am I I   I am not a him. I'm not a I am see, what is it? Not bipolar, bi bisexual,   you know, or or I am, what is it? Gender fluid.   You know?   More more likely what they do is yeah. Or trans more more likely, what they would do is they probably just make their write their own their own,   thoughts on the, on the on below the male, female,   and, and   make that their their choice. More likely, that's what they would do, and that guy you know, whoever the   the   the term life insurance salesman would just go, okay. That's a not they're they're likely to commit more likely to commit suicide than everybody else, so we're not going to accept their   term life.  



[02:30:07] Duuude-Ron :

Right? They'll just file thirteen eight. Yep.   Which which, yeah, you know, I I kinda figured that. But yet at the same time, I just   I   just that question just popped into my head, and it's like,   you know, it's like,   how sad that that question had to pop into my head.   Right. You know what I mean?  

[02:30:28] Bryan Goodwin:

Mhmm. Yeah. I agree. I under   I'm with you on that one. It's just like  

[02:30:34] Duuude-Ron :

I don't know. It's I'm I'm   I remember back in the day, and I did this one time   just to be an ass. I didn't get the job,   but   I did this one time on an application.   Because back in the day,   when   we were we still had a little bit of common sense about us.   Instead of gender, you had sex,   and then you had m or f.  

[02:31:03] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.  

[02:31:04] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   I wrote beside it, and I just put yes.  

[02:31:08] Bryan Goodwin:

Yes, please.  

[02:31:10] Duuude-Ron :

I did. I mean I mean, needless to say, I didn't get the job, but, you know  

[02:31:16] Bryan Goodwin:

and I But your but your intrusive 12 year old, 12 year in our 12 year old won that, won that particular battle. Oh, it did. It did by far. Because it was like sex?  

[02:31:27] Duuude-Ron :

Yes, please.   But yeah. No. But, yeah, nowadays, it's gender.   But, yeah, I just thought I was just like, you know,   I wonder what the alphabet soup   people would think.  

[02:31:43] Bryan Goodwin:

Okay.   One, they think that gender and sex are two different things, and that's them trying to   trying to to split hairs, essentially.   And   now it's gender and sex are are are one   two different words for the same thing. It's so it's  

[02:32:03] Duuude-Ron :

They're what? Antonyms?  

[02:32:05] Bryan Goodwin:

Is that is that No.   As as synonyms   are two different yeah.   So, like, synonyms, yeah, are two different words that mean the same thing. Yeah. Similar   similarity. Yeah. They're similar to each other.  

[02:32:20] Duuude-Ron :

I thought it's man, I was thinking back to high school on that.  

[02:32:25] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. I say, antonyms are opposite of each other. Oh, yes. So on and off are antonyms.  

[02:32:31] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.   So, yeah, I was right there, there are synonyms.   Yep.   Okay.   Yeah. Shoot.   I had to think way back in the time machine for that word.  

[02:32:45] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. There's synonyms, antonyms.   I was thinking  

[02:32:49] Duuude-Ron :

Go ahead.  

[02:32:50] Bryan Goodwin:

No. I'm just trying to think because trying to think of what the, what is it that the words that, that all sound the same but have different meanings like two two and two?  

[02:32:59] Duuude-Ron :

Oh,   fuck. What are those?   Hang on.   I'll find out because I'm one thing.   Homophones.   Homophones.   Homophones.   H o m o, Phones, p h o n e s. Well, who why do they have to be K Phones?   Well, I don't I I don't know, man. That's that's just what it says.  

[02:33:26] Bryan Goodwin:

They're homophones. That that's one of those words that the teacher   tried not to have ever actually have to say because, you know, junior high, all boys be Right.  

[02:33:37] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah.  

[02:33:39] Bryan Goodwin:

That's kinda like, paradox.   Preacher did like well, she actually she did. She thought it was really funny. What what a pair you know what a paradox is?  

[02:33:49] Rich Chelson:

No.   Two doctors.  

[02:33:58] Duuude-Ron :

Oh my god.  

[02:34:01] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, shit.   Oh, that's a dead was like, alright. So I   was like, well, there's two doctors.   She they're like,   you can see her try not to laugh and stuff. She's like,   that's smart, but no.   Right. Never again.  

[02:34:20] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I yeah. I   I didn't even   think about that.  

[02:34:28] Bryan Goodwin:

But, actually, actually That's my only grammar or English joke that I have in my in my repertoire, so I have to go about time to time.  

[02:34:37] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I know a few things from English, but like I said,   I I I I normally got to pull from way down deep to pull them out. Yeah.   So  

[02:34:49] Bryan Goodwin:

Brian, I think we're about that time. Yeah. We are we are right at,   well, just   a minute from hitting the 10:00 point. So, yeah, you guys probably need to go in and start landing this big old plane and let everybody know that I appreciate y'all tremendously for coming in and having sitting down, having to listen, seeing what it is that, two vets that are slightly on the grumpy side and and the dude have to say about   anything and everything that comes to our mind. And but as you saw today, it's, everything from amazement that the dude still is able to roller skate   and and,   find out that there's actually more than one type of, of wheel, which is the new thing I didn't know about is that   that you actually want softer you actually have a outdoor an indoor wheel, and   I'm actually I figured the softer wheel would've been meant for the indoors because you're working on, on on wood, but,   well, you have the softer for for outdoors, and and the harder is for the indoors. So yeah. Well, and all sorts of stuff these days.  

But, but, anyhow, our show is a completely different show than most other   podcast you're gonna come across. And   we don't ever bring really bring it up when we're   when the show starts, and so we kinda bring it around all the way back to the to the end. And that's mainly because   we want you to listen to it and go, hey. I found this, show rather enjoyable, and I, you know, wow. That was, three hours. I'll never get back. You know, whatever it is that you wanna think is is fine by us. But if you found any type of value for the show, that is where we   how we   would like to   generate   a   a a symbiotic relationship and get to bring back yet another word that we use today.  

Because what we have is if we were able to provide value for you, I would love to be able to say or see that   you were able to return the paper.   Now that could be done in a myriad of different ways, but you can break it down into the three t's. You can do time, talent, or treasure.   And that, time may be that you're you spend a little bit of time, you know, generating a website for us or or moderating a   a Facebook group or doing something, you know, on your time   to help the show, show along. Maybe you take some time to do some social media work for us. You you spread the spread out the   the word that there's this show called two grumpy vets and a dude, and and that's how you wanna pay it forward.  

You can also do, your talent. So maybe you're good at graphic artists,   good at graphic arts, or maybe you're good at coding   or something like that, you wanna be able to provide a,   a   an app or, you know, or some a a website or something like that for us, then, you know, that's something that you're able to you're not gonna hear us complain about you doing doing something like that.   You can also   help contribute by by   donating or or   giving some form of of treasure.   And that could be in the, you can go to any of the podcasting two point o apps. There's,   actually, I'm not sure. I think Pod Home supports   supports the the funding tag. It doesn't have wallet support.  

But Pod Home is a new, podcasting two point o app that's out there.   And then we also have True Fans, which has a wallet support, also does the, supports the funding tag.   And Podcast Guru is another one.   Fountain is another one. There's a lot of different   podcasting two point o style of apps that support the the new name,   namespace tags   for for   the the podcasts   that are out there to support   these new features.   And, if you're ever interested in trying some of the new ones out, you can go to podcastapp.com,   and that will take you over to the podcastindex.org   site.  

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You can also shoot Rich an email. That's r chelson, and that's chelson is [email protected].   Or and if you wanna get ahold of dude, no one knows his email address, so just get ahold of one of us, and we'll get it over to him. So with that, Rich, what do you got to say?  

[02:40:41] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, not too much. Like, we talked about earlier, just   thanks again to everybody listening   and coming back for more. This I mean, it's great   just to know that I mean, we got 15 people in Russia that are laughing at us or hating on us. We don't care. But, no, it's great that,   you   know, we're   we're seeing the needle move, so to speak.   But, I mean, we'll still do this regardless because,   you know, with everything going on in today's world, we've got a lot of a lot of thoughts.   Now they might be your thoughts. They might not be your thoughts, but that's the beauty of us.   We still come back and express our thoughts.  

You know? We don't we don't get mad at each other.   So,   yeah, you know, if you wanna talk to us, we'd love to hear from you. You know, as as you've heard on this   episode tonight, you know, a couple people have reached out to us.   And so, you know, we've talked to them.   We'll talk to you too. You know? [email protected]   is my email address or   [email protected].   And if anyone wants to hear   the wonderful wisdom that is the dude,   just send me or Brian an email, and we'll make sure dude gets it. Because I can't   I can't remember his email address, but Google has it for me. So as soon as I   type his name, it brings it right up. Right? I don't have to remember crap.  

I love it. So   but, yeah, that's   that's basically about it. Keep   keep listening. Tell your friends. Tell your family how   tell the person you hate the most   or or or the person that you wanna just   just make so mad.   Tell them about us.   We we'll help you.   We'll help you.   Promise.   So with that, guys, thank you for listening.   Brian, dude, y'all are the bomb. Thank you for doing this with me. I enjoy really enjoy it.   And that's about all I got. So, dude, what you got hanging out?  

[02:42:54] Rich Chelson:

Well, it's it you know, it is truly amazing   that   we start out   sometimes   we know a plan   of what we wanna talk about or,   you know, what has   happened   this past week,   and   we do nothing but   travel down all these rabbit holes.  

[02:43:18] Bryan Goodwin:

To find every rabbit hole when we go after it.  

[02:43:23] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. So How many rabbit how many rabbit holes did we go down tonight? Probably   shit. Fifteenth 15 to 20?   Yep.   We're all over the place with our,   you know, conversations. So which makes it interesting because, again, we're not focused on one any one particular subject   and trying to drive it into the ground.  

[02:43:49] Duuude-Ron :

Thank you. So   Yep.  

[02:43:51] Rich Chelson:

As far as the listeners again,   thank you for listening, and please send in your comments, questions, concerns,   snide remarks.   I don't give a shit. Love those. Yeah. I'll want   because   you're   as the three of us, you're not gonna hurt our feelings   because we don't have any.   So you're not going to upset us. We upset   you know, we can say stuff, and we have said stuff in the past   that   has agitated   the other individual,   but it's   it's   not out of malicious intent.   It's because   we can fuck with each other,   and   that's as   that's as far as it goes.   We don't take it personal.  

You know? So that's why we,   you know, really enjoy the company of the three of us coming in every week and,   you know, carrying on the conversations that we carry on.  

[02:44:57] Bryan Goodwin:

Absolutely.   So,   yep, our our our streams of consciousness   are definitely meandering. So   Look at you, big,   mispronounced   it in after the game. Night. I got a got a poetic streak going in me right now. So   so, but yeah. My  

[02:45:21] Rich Chelson:

Glad you saved that $12 word for the very end.  

[02:45:25] Bryan Goodwin:

Please stay free.   So, anyhow, guys,   have been listening.   Ron, Mitch,   appreciate y'all coming on. Again, love spending all the time that we spend together.   And, eventually, I will we'll we'll get around to doing a a an actual show where all three of us are in the same room together and   might even even introduce,   a little bit of alcohol into the mix just to make things a little fun.   We'll buy a bunch of frou frou bit drinks for Ron, and we'll go to town.   We'll let Rich stay the sober one. That way, it,   you know,   he gets he gets to be the one who tries to hurt the cats.  



[02:46:08] Duuude-Ron :

I will be I will be the designated driver.  

[02:46:12] Rich Chelson:

No. You'll be the designated   cat herder.  

[02:46:16] Bryan Goodwin:

Cat herder.   Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. We're still got a shot to do.  

[02:46:25] Duuude-Ron :

That'd be a job being in and of itself.  

[02:46:28] Bryan Goodwin:

Absolutely.   So alright, guys. Y'all take care. Y'all have a good time   and   for the rest of the week, and, we will see y'all   next Thursday.   So till then, y'all take care.   Be safe.   Bye.  

[02:46:44] Duuude-Ron :

Later.  

[02:46:45] Rich Chelson:

Peace out.   Alright, guys. Catch you all then. Alright, guys. Yeah. Have a good one. Bye.