Two Grumpy Vets and a Duuude

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In this episode of Two Grumpy Vets, we dive into a variety of topics with our usual humor and candidness. We start by discussing the challenges of dealing with cold weather and the allure of living in warmer climates like Thailand and the Philippines. The conversation shifts to personal anecdotes about dealing with family issues and the impact of past experiences on current life choices.

We also explore the topic of home maintenance, discussing the costs and decisions involved in replacing heating systems and dealing with insurance companies. The discussion then moves to the inefficiencies and frustrations with the healthcare system, particularly the impact of the Affordable Care Act and the challenges of finding affordable insurance.

The episode takes a humorous turn as we share stories about encounters with skunks and the trials of pet ownership. We also touch on the topic of driving, sharing our experiences and frustrations with other drivers on the road.

As the conversation unfolds, we delve into the history of nursery rhymes, the evolution of telecommunication, and the impact of government regulations on various industries. We wrap up with a discussion on the importance of having conversations with friends and the value of sharing different perspectives.

Join us for a lively discussion filled with laughter, insights, and a few rants along the way.
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[00:00:01] Bryan Goodwin:

Hey, man. Hello, and welcome to Two Grumpy Vets and a Duuude, this is a show that each week allows for three friends to get together and live life intentionally.   We do this by throwing a little social   commentary with our own weird sense of humor and our thoughts together   to show folks that living   having weekly conversations   is a good way to help   each other out, help men become better men. And so now on with the show with Bryan,   Rich, and the dude.   Recorded and in progress.  

[00:00:39] Rich Chelson:

So let's see.  

[00:00:42] Bryan Goodwin:

What's up, dude? Not a much more man. What are you doing?  

[00:00:47] Duuude-Ron :

Trying to get through this cold ass weather. Same   here.   Let's see. Let's get   everything turned on.  

[00:01:03] Bryan Goodwin:

Mhmm. Did you get it warmer today?  

[00:01:05] Duuude-Ron :

No.   Well, yeah, yeah, it did. It it got in the forties with a field temperature of 35,   but,  

[00:01:14] Bryan Goodwin:

yeah, it it it took all day to do it because we It took all day for us to get into get into the, mid twenties.  

[00:01:22] Duuude-Ron :

Damn.   Yeah. No. It's it's   yeah. The wind was blowing, like, twenty, twenty five   miles an hour all day.  

[00:01:32] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[00:01:33] Duuude-Ron :

So, yeah, it was, yeah, it was not   a not a good time.   I didn't go anywhere.   How did you die?   No.   No.   When it's cold, no. I shut down. I   I don't do cold.  

[00:01:56] Bryan Goodwin:

We're not doing the cold.   Not so ever not whatsoever. Uh-uh. Forget it.  

[00:02:01] Duuude-Ron :

That's right.   Forget it.  

[00:02:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Not gonna do it.   It wouldn't be prudent   at this juncture.  

[00:02:10] Duuude-Ron :

You're right. It would not.   No. Yeah. It just yeah. No.   So so so far in my studies, Thailand is the cheapest.  

[00:02:23] Bryan Goodwin:

I told you.  

[00:02:25] Duuude-Ron :

I mean, it's it's,   yeah, The Philippines. Right? What see, what was it? Couple years ago, I was I was looking at at going to The Philippines   Uh-huh. And it was it was fairly cheap there. Prices have gone up. I mean, you can still make it on   less than $1,500   a month.   Oh, yeah.   You know, and that's rent, food, transportation.   That's everything.   I mean,   you know, if you got $1,500   a month,   you're living good.   Right. And if you have more than that, you're living really good. You know?   Exactly.   But,   yeah, overall, Thailand is   is about the cheapest.  

You can   live decent real decent   on a thousand   Yeah.   A month. You know? So it's like, you know,   Belize isn't isn't that bad.   They're,   fairly cheap.   So   as well.  

[00:03:31] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. You just had to deal with their with,   with their wacky,   their theirs in Thailand,   their wacky,   laws. So  

[00:03:39] Duuude-Ron :

I wouldn't, yeah, I wouldn't give two shits about that, dude.   I'm there to enjoy the heat,   the warmth,   the water,   and the scenery.   I don't give two shits about their loss.   As long as I don't break them, I'm good.   Now if they say I have to walk down the street nude,   then I might have a problem.  

[00:04:08] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, they're just gonna throw little pickles at you.  

[00:04:12] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:04:16] Bryan Goodwin:

No. I didn't say. What movie was that?   Oh, you know. Real genius.   You ever heard that dream where you're standing on top of mountain and a bunch of a bunch of nay naked women are throwing little bitty pickles at you? No?   Why am I the only one that has that dream?  

[00:04:35] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. That one that one was,   really funny.  

[00:04:41] Rich Chelson:

But  

[00:04:44] Bryan Goodwin:

I almost   sitting there yabbering away, and I still hadn't sent, Zooms open over to Duke.  

[00:04:50] Rich Chelson:

Oh.  

[00:04:52] Bryan Goodwin:

It's like, oh, wait. Where's what? Dude's a little low. Wait. Well, it might be good if I tell him that we're open.  

[00:04:59] Duuude-Ron :

Well, yeah. Well, sometimes dude's on   before you get on. Oh, yeah.   But,   yeah, no. Either way, I just I just I just kinda,   you know, checked around because it it's like   I I seriously   hate the cold.  

[00:05:20] Bryan Goodwin:

No. And I get you.   My wife is the same way, and she is   like I said, we've   and there's a part of me that I mean, if I'm if I'm   truthful, I could have easily have put my foot down,   down and and corrected that. But, I mean,   there's a part of me that wants to say that, well, she's kinda wanted the cold house, whether she likes it and wants to admit it or not. Because,   I mean, she hates the cold. She's always hated the cold. And I mean, we've through our talk,   yesterday, we were talking and   she explained a a lot more. Apparently,   her and her, her ex,   stepdad,   his name is Gary,   he did a serious number on her, and he had she is I think she seriously needs to do some some deep   heavy counts, like,   about this guy. Because, I mean, one, he was   she's the reason that she doesn't go to church,   at least according to what she says.  

He was a youth the youth pastor   of the Baptist church that her and her mom went to.  

[00:06:37] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. And,  

[00:06:39] Bryan Goodwin:

and so now anytime she sees,   you know, we talk church, she's like, I I don't care to   go to church. I know that I need to go to church, but at the same time, anytime she sees somebody who is,   you know, a sister birth better than you,   or she sees, like, several of them that she just I mean, just by looks, you know, she deems sister birth better than you.   She's Right. She's is is like, well, there's just too many uppity people here. There's just too many people here who just got their noses up the air, don't care about anybody.   Then I'm like going, I don't see anybody like everyone I saw talk to was all nice and stuff. We're sitting there having a good time talking.  

And come to find out, it's something about it. This guy,   he was he was that way. He put on the errors of I've got a lot of money,   and he was the he want   he got himself in the position of being, the,   being the youth pass pastor. And I and if all reality was to be   to to point, and I granted, it's the it's the word of the decade.   Everybody points to it. But I'm wondering if Gary himself was not an actual,   if not certifiable,   damn near borderline   narcissistic,   personality disorder,   where he had to make sure that everybody   approved of him   and   and all this. And so all of a sudden, you inject a teenager, one, who is all about rebellion. I mean, she was when they got married, she was, like, 14, 15 years old. So it was   not you're I was not going to do what you told me to because you're not my dad type of thing.  



[00:08:27] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:08:28] Bryan Goodwin:

And yep. And so she was rebelling against everything, so she wasn't buying any of his bullshit.  

[00:08:34] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:08:35] Bryan Goodwin:

And   so he made her life miserable.   In the wintertime,   he would crank it crank it down and then and make the house cold if Jan wasn't at the house.   Jan wasn't at the house. He was he was turning that thing down to, like,   low fifties in Minnesota.  

[00:08:57] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   And Yeah.  

[00:09:01] Bryan Goodwin:

That go ahead. Go ahead. What he wouldn't let her have a space heater in the in in the bedroom because, you know,   you know, might cause a fire.   It would allow a goose down, comforter,   but, I mean, that was the most that,   most that she could. So she was   every year that they were together, she was having   to deal with all this excess of cold.   Or what she was seeing as excess of cold, she's a Texan to be born be born with, so, you know, she used to having grown up in hundred degree   weather. But,   but, yeah, it's   so I think he is definitely the one that's kind   of kinda really  

[00:09:44] Rich Chelson:

Right. No.  

[00:09:46] Bryan Goodwin:

Set her off in   In percent of the sport of sport. In the the fear that she has about the about the cold is and,   yeah.   Yeah. Fear is a good good word for it. Well, okay. But,   but at the same time I mean, when our heater actually ended up, dying,   did and they were so like, alright. Well, how do we wanna you know?   She wanted me to go ahead and up and see, alright. Well, let's do some searching. Let's see what it's gonna take to get this thing   fixed or whatever. And the guy came in and he's like, I'll do this thing. It's so old. We don't have parts for it anymore, which I kinda figured.   Right. So,   like, alright. So what's it gonna take to get new get everything brought up,   to current and and be efficient and heat that like, it needs to and all that? I think I was like,   best I can actually do is about $8,000.  



[00:10:39] Rich Chelson:

You can't buy the rent to sell. She was like,  

[00:10:43] Bryan Goodwin:

hell no. We ain't doing no $8 on no yeah. I mean, she was just she was very adamant that she does not   we were not gonna spend $8,000 on that. We at the moment, we had   we had $8,000   that we could've spent on that, but didn't want to. She's like, let's just do a, you know, we'll do a a wood stove and and call it good. And   she's finding out a wood stove's   not that good. And we could've done, like, an electric   heating system instead of going natural gas   because natural gas at our house would've, you know I've talked about that before. Okay. Well Our natural gas bill,   first couple years was   $7,800   a month. So 5 anywhere from 5 to 8 hundred. So  

[00:11:27] Duuude-Ron :

Well, yeah. Yeah. It sounds like it sounds like yeah. Yeah. She needs,   some help   to work through, you know, some of these   house things in her life. Yeah. Those past  

[00:11:41] Bryan Goodwin:

experiences.  

[00:11:42] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   You know? And and, say, that's the thing now.   You know, $8,000   for a furnace at that time,   that was actually  

[00:11:53] Bryan Goodwin:

that's actually pretty cheap. No. That's for a damn good price. No. Exactly.  

[00:11:57] Duuude-Ron :

Because now   hey. I mean, I don't know I don't know where you live, but, you know, most places I've heard of, you're looking at 12 to 15.  

[00:12:07] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[00:12:07] Duuude-Ron :

You know? And that's   so,   you know, it's just and and that's the thing, though. You know, living   living like that in a cold I mean, I've done it before more than once,   and that's why I that's why I don't do it now. And I I you know?   That's why that's why I bitch about it.   Right. You know? That's why I moved down here to get away from it because   I'm tired of it. You know?   You just get tired of it after a while.   You know, at at least it's not frigid for four months out of the year down here like it is Yeah. Up north.   Now now in Minnesota,   it's frigid up there   a lot longer.  



[00:12:56] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, yeah. Well, I've got a I've got a client that, that's up in   not quite Toronto, but in the Toronto area.  

[00:13:06] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[00:13:07] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, yeah. They have been they've been catching snow   for two weeks straight so far, and he showed a video.   And you've got the car,   and about   two and a half feet over the car,   there's still snow.   It's like,   god.   It's gonna take forever for that snow to melt.  

[00:13:26] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And yeah. So that's   I don't know, man. I just,   you know, when when I was younger, it was different.   You know?   But now it's like, no. My body says no.  

[00:13:44] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, I think a lot of your but, also, I think a lot of the problem is just that,   that,   the way that your body reacted, you know, after you took that one NSAID.   Right. And, yeah, you, you all of a sudden, you couldn't hardly walk at all. No. And that that FUBARed everything up on you.  

[00:14:09] Duuude-Ron :

Good. No. And no. You're right. And and and you see what's funny, though, if   if you do blood work on me Uh-huh. I'm I'm   I'm fucking healthy as a horse. Right. You're doing echocardiogram   on me. I'm healthy as a fucking horse.   You know? But,  

[00:14:27] Bryan Goodwin:

yeah, no. It it's you're Ask me to stand for twenty minutes, and I'm dying.  

[00:14:32] Duuude-Ron :

Oh god. No. Twenty minutes. No. I gotta I gotta have a seat. You know?   And then I I might think about getting up in about ten. Maybe Right.  

[00:14:43] Bryan Goodwin:

Ten hours, that is. Yeah.  

[00:14:45] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   I mean, I gotta say, though, today,   believe it or not, even with this freaking   blizzard   type weather we've had down here, this coldness,   I call it blizzard type because it's just it's just   I gotta say,   my body really hasn't hurt that much, and I don't know why. I mean, it's I I mean, I'm   I'm not saying I'm getting better by no means, but I'm just saying,   you know, over the last couple weeks   versus today,   I've actually moved a whole lot better today than I have in the last couple weeks,   and I don't get it.  

[00:15:35] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   No. I am no.  

[00:15:40] Duuude-Ron :

So I don't know. I'm not I'm not I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth. I'm just   thankful   that,   you know, I could still move.  

[00:15:50] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, hell yeah.   Thankfully, though, you know, as the you you seem to get around to moving better once the, once the heat picks up. So   That is true. So who knows? Maybe we get you down to Thailand, and we're gonna see you running a running a five k or something.  

[00:16:05] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[00:16:10] Duuude-Ron :

That won't happen.  

[00:16:12] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, oh, never never say never. No.  

[00:16:16] Duuude-Ron :

Me run? No.  

[00:16:19] Rich Chelson:

No. See, that that's just it, Rich.   You do run.   You run your mouth.   I don't know else, but that's that's just the primary one that, you know, just comes to mind.   So you do run.   And it's just, you know, your jaw muscles.  

[00:16:41] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you know, that's fine. I can deal I can deal with running my mouth.   But but, yeah, the rest of me says, oh, hell no. No.   Hell no.  

[00:16:53] Rich Chelson:

Well, that's like me that's like me and running. I'm I   I can sprint real good if you're chasing me, but, you know, yeah, you're gonna probably catch me in less than half a block because I'm done.   Now I'm out of breath. I'm out of yeah. I'm already hurting.   Yeah. Well, I guess I guess you're gonna kick my ass then.  

[00:17:13] Duuude-Ron :

Dude, I wouldn't catch you. I'm telling you. I wouldn't catch you.   Oh, no matter how hard I wanted to or thought I wanted to or anything,   no. I can't. I I wouldn't catch you. I know I know me.  

[00:17:33] Rich Chelson:

And well, and here's the your other aspect is like, well, you gotta go to sleep sometime.   So  

[00:17:39] Duuude-Ron :

This is true.  

[00:17:41] Rich Chelson:

I I'll fucking get your ass. You gotta go to sleep sometime.  

[00:17:45] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right.  

[00:17:47] Rich Chelson:

Especially if you're a   snoring   naval,   soldier with a   marine that comes into the room.  

[00:18:02] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. That joke, Brian?  

[00:18:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. I heard that. I remember the joke from last night, as a matter of fact.  

[00:18:11] Rich Chelson:

No.  

[00:18:12] Bryan Goodwin:

Just keep my mouth shut.  

[00:18:16] Rich Chelson:

Hey. I didn't you know, I did don't shoot the messenger.   I I just heard it someplace else, so I thought I would relay the joke.   Well, I didn't create the joke. You know? So you can't shoot the messenger.   Well, you probably can.  

[00:18:32] Bryan Goodwin:

Just would be nice.  

[00:18:35] Rich Chelson:

It it would be very rude. Exactly.   Rude.   Rude.   Yeah.   Well   so how you doing there, crimson coconut?  

[00:18:52] Duuude-Ron :

That's I was trying to think of that   earlier.   Crimson coconut. So what dude called me the other day, Brian, and and said, what's up, crimson coconut?   Just out of the blue. I was like, oh my god.  

[00:19:07] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, well, I was gonna say, I was like, where the hell did crimson coconut come from?  

[00:19:12] Duuude-Ron :

I asked him the same thing. He said it just popped into his head.  

[00:19:17] Bryan Goodwin:

It's alliteration.   That's all he's got.  

[00:19:21] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Well, you know,   I don't know so much about Rich's crimson, but he's definitely got a coconut. It's quite a hard shell. A little furry too.   Yeah. And, you know, the milk inside the coconut actually resembles his brains a little bit. You move his head around a little, you're gonna hear the sloshing.  

[00:19:43] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, possible. Yeah.  

[00:19:45] Rich Chelson:

Oh, I know my   And that and that overrides the, couple of,   you know,   marbles.   You know? It diminishes the sound of the marbles rolling around up there.   So  

[00:20:03] Bryan Goodwin:

yeah,  

[00:20:06] Rich Chelson:

definitely so.   Mister crimson coconut.   Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:20:12] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. That was that   that was just   funnier than hell the other night.   And, yeah, earlier, I was trying to think of it, and I couldn't think of it.   Hard to have it all. I I got the crimson part. I just couldn't think of the second part.  

[00:20:29] Rich Chelson:

Well, you know, you know, the only reason why I remembered it  

[00:20:33] Duuude-Ron :

Why?   Because I wrote it down. You wrote it down? Yeah.  

[00:20:38] Rich Chelson:

I wrote it down   because I would've fucking forgot it too.   I'm like, what the hell did I fucking call Rich the other night? Damn. You know? It was gone,   so I wrote it down.  

[00:20:50] Duuude-Ron :

So here's something because I didn't write it down.   Yeah.  

[00:20:55] Rich Chelson:

So here's something that's completely   out of right field   for y'all.   You know, we are are we are definitely getting hit with a triple s right now, severely.   K. What's the triple s? You know what? I am so glad   that you asked that.   Good. Because I don't know. Wiring minds   want to know.   So before I give you the explanation of a triple s, I wanna ask you a question.   You might already answer the question. Is that what a triple s stands for? No. No. No. No. Not sorry, sex shits.   Why did the chicken   cross the road?  

[00:21:39] Bryan Goodwin:

Because there was a good looking chick on the other side.  

[00:21:42] Rich Chelson:

And that very well could be. Me, personally, I have   no fucking idea why the chicken crossed the road. At least he made it across the road.   At least he made it across the road. The triple s is the skunk suicide   season.  

[00:21:58] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, yeah. From here  

[00:22:00] Rich Chelson:

to from here to Abilene,   yo,   at least  

[00:22:05] Bryan Goodwin:

40 This is everywhere. This is everywhere.   And, yeah, it and what it is, it's mating season.  

[00:22:12] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. But you would think  

[00:22:15] Duuude-Ron :

okay.  

[00:22:18] Rich Chelson:

They are that that,   possessed on mating season   that they can't even remember.  

[00:22:25] Bryan Goodwin:

That's why they get hit so much during their rut.  

[00:22:29] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. You're right. But between here and fucking Abilene,   must have been at least 40   freaking skunk   carcasses.  

[00:22:39] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, yeah. I believe that. I mean, hell, we've got we've got two, skunk carcasses on,   in in Canute themselves. So  

[00:22:49] Rich Chelson:

Well, hopefully, the stench has diminished.  

[00:22:53] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, we have one that actually lives somewhere around our house, and I think it's actually in my culvert, but I am not brave enough to stick my head down in there.  

[00:23:02] Rich Chelson:

So  

[00:23:03] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Because you just might be facing his I might be facing the business end of that, that damn thing. And Yeah. The dip.  

[00:23:10] Rich Chelson:

Yep. The derriere and go  

[00:23:13] Bryan Goodwin:

and you mean What is you've seen that you saw that video of the guy who was,   who put to test.   If you grab a skunk by his tail,   he you've heard that that line, though. Did you pull if your skunk's about to spray, you grab him by the tail and pull him up, he can't spray you?   Have you heard that?   No. Uh-huh. I haven't heard. Oh, that's one thing I'd always heard. It was, oh, if you're about to get sprayed, you can grab that skunk by the tail. You can,   first off, that's a lie.   And now there's video proof because there's actually a guy who was, he went to go grab one, and all of a sudden you see Sprite. And he's like, oh, it doesn't work. It's like,   oh, god. No. It's it's fake.  



[00:24:00] Rich Chelson:

And and and for somebody to actually   try to test that notion   is just,  

[00:24:09] Bryan Goodwin:

wow.   Well, you had faith that it worked.   Faith does a lot, but it does not protect you.  

[00:24:17] Rich Chelson:

Well, obviously not. And now we have the video proof   that it does not   work.   But I tell you what, if I get that skunk by the tail, I'm gonna swing that motherfucker around and launch it down. Hold on to it long. It's swing. It's the heat that son of a bitch.  

[00:24:35] Duuude-Ron :

You still   you still gonna get sprayed.  

[00:24:39] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, probably.  

[00:24:41] Rich Chelson:

Well, you know what? That's why I'm not gonna test   the theory in any way, shape, or form.   If I see a skunk, he's   whichever direction   he is going,  

[00:24:52] Bryan Goodwin:

I'm just gonna go Oh, yeah. No. I way around and go in the opposite direction. I just turn around and go the opposite direction. I'm of course, it's funny. I mean, it's   skunks are one of those things that I don't know why   dogs are just   they're almost like porcupines   and that dogs are attracted to them.   And, because, I mean, like I said, we've got one that lives around our house somewhere. Because from time to time, all of a sudden, here comes the fog of it just coming through wafting through the house, and we're going, god damn.   And then, you know, five minutes later, it goes away and it's done. But for that little bit of time, they're like, oh, shit. We're the dogs. We go out there. We get the dogs. We're like,   okay. Okay. You didn't get sprayed. You're good. And you're at Watson and thinking that he's probably the one that's gotten doused because he's the idiot   smell. Well, okay. We're good.  

And my my my son,   we're in down in Pottsville.   Oh, this is probably, what, four, five years ago, maybe.   And,   it was   and   I whenever I'm at somebody else's house, I'm a slight sleeper because   I'm not a % sure when the dogs   habitually go out to go pee   and, and do their other business. And so   whenever I'm at somebody else's house, say, I'm in Amarillo or whatever, and I'm and dogs are staying with us,   I'm always   waiting to feel them get up as if they need to go to the bathroom.   And so I'll   when that happens, I, you know, I'll get up. I'll get dressed. I'd walk down. And, normally, it's, like, four degrees outside, so I'm freezing my ass off as they're walking around just smelling shit because, hey. Dad got up. Let's go smell.   Well, did that,   one time. My son's got a dog. His name is Boone. Love Boone. Boone's the best damn dog you ever you've ever had. He stays next to you and all that and except for one night. We got   got up,   felt,   Boone get up and rain got up, and this is before we had Watson. Or no. No. No. No. This is even before we had rain. Never mind. So I was felt Boone get up, and I figured, oh, he needs to go to the bathroom. So   me and I get up, and Jayden heard me get up. So he gets up, get we both get dressed, and we go out, we go out, and so Boone could go to the bathroom.  

And, he's smelling around and all of a sudden, boom. He shoots off like a like a   rocket.   We're like, woah. Shit. What the hell? Boom. Boom. Boom. We're hauling at him. He's not paying attention. All of a sudden, you see him. He comes he goes around the corner,   and then he comes running back   and shaking his head, pawing at his face, and then he gets up to us, and it was a skunk. And he got shots   face first, and I mean, just and it is so funny, and I wish I had a camera at that time because he looked like he had just gone, you know, he had gone   gone two rounds with with Mike Tyson because he was he was all splitting one eye, and he was drooling.  

He was like, oh, dude. This is horror.   What happened,   man? And getting that numb, numb, numb, numb, numb, trying to get it off his tongue. Get it out of his tongue. He got it in his eye. He it was all the only thing we,   couldn't actually take care of was, we ended up, having to get a new collar because he got on his collar too. But, yeah, we, we did the tomato,   the tomato juice,   a couple rounds, and it still wasn't coming off. And, then   the Jana went up and asked the woke mom up and going, you got anything for skunks? She's like, oh, hell yeah. Yeah. We got skunk off. And she goes in the bathroom,   or into the laundry room, grabs a big old bottle of skunk off. She says, use as much as you need.  

And,   we used it all, and, by god, it does. It does a damn good job of getting rid of the skunk smell.   But, yeah, it was   it was it was quite the quite the adventure. So we were outside in in, like,   40 degree weather washing the dog.   Poor Boone. He was cold. He was sitting there shivering.  

[00:29:14] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Like it.  

[00:29:15] Bryan Goodwin:

So we got him all washed off and got him back inside and dried him off and got the hair blow dryer on him and and and stuff, got him dried off as quick as possible.   Yeah.   That was the day his Boone learned about skunks. And  

[00:29:35] Rich Chelson:

Did did he ever screw with one again?  

[00:29:38] Bryan Goodwin:

He he per according to Jaden, there was one time where he took off to get one,   or he saw one, and he went he went to bolt after it. But when Jayden hollered and told him to stop, he was   and wanted to go further, but, like, okay. They might wanna hold off a bit. That or he caught it with what it was. We don't know he didn't know exactly what it which one it was, but by the time he hollered, he's come to a screeching halt. He's like, alright. Yeah. Now screw this shit.  

[00:30:06] Rich Chelson:

Go somebody else.  

[00:30:10] Bryan Goodwin:

So,  

[00:30:11] Rich Chelson:

but, yeah, I should Do I remember that smell? Uh-huh.   Yeah. That taste too. Yeah.   That taste really sucked. That is normal.  

[00:30:24] Bryan Goodwin:

So   but, yeah, we got to That was wasted. We had Ryan Ryan Ryan the only thing Ryan of course, she can't holler at Ryan because, I mean, she can't hear.   Or she does hear, she doesn't hear well. We haven't we've I she still fucks with us in that way. She's I don't know. She's just   incredibly smart, and that way she just acts like she doesn't hear shit.   So she doesn't have to doesn't have to mind or what, but   but, yeah, there was,   I mean, the time that I would thought to   because therefore, you know, we go out, we throw the ball around and stuff, and she we'd had used to have a good old time doing it. She would stay pretty close to you. And then whenever we were in Pottsville, One,   about probably two years ago Yeah.  

We're over Pottsville, and I had we had walked all the way up to the cemetery, which is about a mile away.   And we were just throwing the ball and having a good old time, and I threw the ball. And she goes to run and all of a sudden stops and zing. I mean, a hundred miles an hour, the opposite direction.   Clears the cattle guard, the interest to the,   to the,   the cemetery and just starts booking it back towards mom's house. I'm like, oh, son of a bitch. She's gonna get hit by something. There's a couple of dogs out there that are, kind of,   kind of,   guarding of their protective of their of their their   plot of land.  

She's gonna get she's gonna get jumped by something. I mean, I'm and I'm a fat man. I'm sitting there trying to run after. By the time I get to the,   get across the cemetery   to to the cattle guard, get across it, she I I just catch the last little bit of hers. She goes around the corner   heading down, and that's a quarter mile a quarter mile away. So she's doing a good, you know, 10 you know, thirty second   quarter mile.   Dog was booking it. Damn it. And,   trying to get Janet. By the time Janet gets the keys and gets in the car, she's like, oh, hey. Dog's here.   Goddamn.  

So So what spooked her? Yeah. Something spooked her. And   the only thing I can think of is it's, it I don't know what she saw or what she thought she saw, but  

[00:32:44] Rich Chelson:

Or seems to go.  

[00:32:48] Bryan Goodwin:

Right. Of course, at the same time, there's something around the,   the butcher shop that spooks the shit out of her all the time too.   So I'll be walking and all of a sudden, she tried to go to the opposite direction. It's like, nope. Nope. Nope. We're going this way. You just gotta fight through it.   So   she she's like, no. There there there's cows over here.   There's dead cows over here.  

[00:33:13] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   Well, then she could be, you know, that scent.   You know? That very well could be,   you know, a certain scent of,  

[00:33:24] Bryan Goodwin:

yeah. And I call her the cat the couch cow. So, you know, could be that she's equating cows and catch cows and paying, oh god. I'm gonna eat her.   So Well,  

[00:33:35] Rich Chelson:

that that could be too.   So I can't I don't wanna get eaten.  

[00:33:40] Bryan Goodwin:

No no mas. No mas food. No. I'm too friendly for that.  

[00:33:45] Rich Chelson:

I cannot be cargoes.  

[00:33:47] Duuude-Ron :

How would a dog,   think of that? Yeah. I'm I'm not saying dogs ain't smart because they are very smart, and they do understand this and stuff like this.   But   how can,   how can a dog   think like that?  

[00:34:08] Bryan Goodwin:

I don't know. It's just fun to watch her her reactions and   and to put personality to the to her actions.  

[00:34:16] Duuude-Ron :

Right. No. I I I just   you know, I'm just I don't know. I'm sorry. I was   I was just being weird,  

[00:34:26] Rich Chelson:

but that's normal for me. I was gonna say that's not new.   Right. Not at all. Not a damn thing new there.   So I'm gonna bring up to Brian what we, one topic that we talked about the other night, Rich, is,   driving   south on 35.   And on the access road,   I see this Bronco   with,   you know, I think it was a sheriff's   logo on the side. I'm like,   wow.   A Bronco doing a high speed chase, that would be interesting to watch.   But, yeah, there was there was a Bronco with, you know,   law enforcement   signs on it. I'm like, wow. And you could tell also because it had all the antennas on the top that it was a legitimate, you know,   law enforcement vehicle.  

But it's like a Bronco? And me and Rich discussed it. Like, yeah. Well, that Bronco is gonna be able to go some places that the Crown Vic can't.   Right.   So, yeah, I get it. But, you know, trying to do a high speed chase with   they those tires looked every bit of 35 inch   Just like what,   Rich, you got 35 inch   tires. Right?   No. I got 30 threes. 30 threes? Okay. Yeah. So doing a high speed chase with 35 inch tires,   you know,   I don't think he would win, personally.  

[00:35:53] Duuude-Ron :

Well, again,   it's it's all in the gearing.  

[00:36:01] Rich Chelson:

Well, yeah. And when they I mean And   when they're not governed, they can yeah. Definitely  

[00:36:09] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. So   so, yeah, you can you can actually achieve high speeds with   bigger tires, you know, with 35,   you know, as long as you're geared right. Now you're not gonna go off road that well.   Oh, no. God, you'll scream down the interstate.  

[00:36:27] Rich Chelson:

Well and you can   possibly do off road   of   possibly   the the purpose.   Yeah. You're not gonna go as fast, but, you know, those tires better be fucking balanced perfectly.   That's all I gotta say.  

[00:36:46] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. It's   I don't know. It just it's yeah. Doing   yeah. It's   I don't know. Some of these   cities and towns, like, they're just weird.  

[00:37:00] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Because   I had 35 inch tires on the TJ, and I got death wobble. And, yeah, that was not fun   whatsoever doing 60 miles an hour and then the freaking front end just. But, of course, the Broncos are an IFS   front suspension. They're not a solid axle. So   I don't think they would I don't think IFS   would get   death wobble.  

[00:37:28] Duuude-Ron :

I've I've never heard of it. And Yeah. Because because,   Ford's been using a independent front suspension in their trucks   since,   fuck,   the eighties.   Late seventies   and eighties.  

[00:37:43] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah. Most most vehicles have it now. Yeah.  

[00:37:47] Duuude-Ron :

So   and, yeah, I've never heard of Ford having that problem.  

[00:37:52] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Well, I did see a Bronco out on the trails   with the two front tires,   facing all the way in,   to the front of the wheel wells.   When I went out wheeling, what was it, a week ago, Saturday?  

[00:38:11] Duuude-Ron :

He was not knowledgeable   in in No. He roading.  

[00:38:16] Rich Chelson:

No. He snapped the tie or the, tie rods.  

[00:38:19] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. He wasn't knowledgeable.  

[00:38:23] Rich Chelson:

Well,   he he thought he was, but, you know, what? Getting up that one obstacle and   seeing both of his tires going,   you know, inwards, it's like,   you're not going any place. You done broke something.  

[00:38:36] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you know, people people don't you see, people use the skinny pedal at the wrong fucking time.   On the interstate,   they don't know where that skinny pedal is.  

[00:38:47] Rich Chelson:

But Well, yeah. Yeah. They do. It's all the way down on the damn floor.  

[00:38:52] Duuude-Ron :

No. Not here.   Oh my gosh. Here, they're still doing, you know, 35, 40 mile an hour when they get on the damn interstate.   No.   No. They wait they wait till they get on the city streets   where the speed limit is 35,   and then they're doing 70.   That's like, dudes.  

[00:39:15] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. It   it is just amazing that,   okay, that that ramp   is for you to build up the speed   to get to   the driving speed of the highway and merge in.   Not   do 35, get on the high. Oh, shit. I need to step on the gas and get up to the speed limit.   No dumbass. You're just a day late and a dollar short on that fucking idea.  

[00:39:43] Duuude-Ron :

Right?   But yeah. Oh, yeah. No. Now   now in Texas, yeah, a lot of people, it's it's   yeah. I don't care if it's, far in the market road, a city road, a interstate.   It's out of mile an hour.   Oh, yeah. It is. Go from zero to a hundred   or faster,   and you don't let off for nothing.  

[00:40:06] Rich Chelson:

Well, you know what a d p you know what a DPS officer   just driving down the highway is   for the most part going down the interstate?   The pace vehicle.   Because as soon as he gets off the eggs or onto the exit ramp,   you know, just like a pace vehicle getting off the   racetrack,   you   everybody just taps on the gas. So the only thing DPS is when they're just out there regular. There's just a they're just a pace  

[00:40:36] Duuude-Ron :

car. And, you know, that's, you know, that's actually stupid if you ask me because   I've passed many a cop   on the interstate   because they were going the speed limit or just under the speed limit   or five to 10 miles an hour below, and nobody would fucking pass them. They're like, oh my god. There's a brick fucking wall right there. We can't pass the cop. He'll stop us.   Shit.   Hell no. I was set. I ain't knocking off the cruise. Fuck that.   I get over in the left lane and I pass.  

[00:41:12] Rich Chelson:

Yep. And if he's going 10 miles an hour in the speed limit, I'm gonna fucking pass him. Hell, yeah. I ain't doing anything wrong.  

[00:41:20] Duuude-Ron :

I mean, shit. I've had cops   I I mean, I've had   I've been doing 80 and had cops pass me.  

[00:41:27] Rich Chelson:

Yep.  

[00:41:29] Duuude-Ron :

So, yeah, it's like but but   most everybody,   when they see a cop, they just like, oh my god. You know? They can't pass. You know? It's like, no. Screw that. I'm gone. See you.  

[00:41:43] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Yeah. And I'll wave I'll wave at him as I'm driving by. Right. Oh, yeah.   Hey. Have a good afternoon.   You know? As a matter of fact, I had a DPA   car pass me   the when I was   coming home from work no. Going to work this morning,   I was doing 70 miles an hour   in a 65.   And I know I'm doing 70 miles an hour because my speedometer says I'm doing 65.   So I know I'm doing 70.   That DPS officer just   went right by me   in the left lane. Right. And, of course, DPS officers,   for whatever   reason,   they like to camp out in the left lane.   But they're gonna give a ticket to somebody that's camping in the left lane,   but they can do it.  

Who's gonna do it?   Exactly. That's that is my whole   question.   It's like, okay. You're you don't you tell the general public not to camp in the left hand lane, but then you go ahead and do it.   So   hypocrisy.  

[00:43:02] Duuude-Ron :

That's what it is.  

[00:43:04] Rich Chelson:

And  

[00:43:05] Duuude-Ron :

you either just   let it go or   you hold on to that hate and   suffer.  

[00:43:16] Rich Chelson:

Well, yeah. When I'm doing five miles an hour over the speed limit, he very well could've got behind me if he wanted to pace me and pull me over,   but he passed me. I'm like, well, you know what? Have a wonderful day, officer.   Dude, this is was a guy   and there was a guy right on his ass  

[00:43:36] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:43:37] Rich Chelson:

In the left hand lane.   Oh, well,   go ahead,   Rich,  

[00:43:44] Duuude-Ron :

before you forget. Oh, I was gonna say this was this was early this morning. That cop probably didn't even see you,  

[00:43:53] Rich Chelson:

dude. Oh, I did. No. He was in his own little world.  

[00:43:58] Bryan Goodwin:

Mhmm. Yep.  

[00:44:00] Rich Chelson:

And that's and that's fine if he wants to stay in his own little world and not get into my little bubble and my little little world,   we're good. We're good. Right?   I I am getting him. I'm gonna have to log off because I am getting an echo. Are you hearing an echo on my end?   Nope.  

[00:44:22] Bryan Goodwin:

No. No. Not hearing any echoes.  

[00:44:25] Rich Chelson:

Uh-huh. Well, because anything that I'm say well, no. It went away. Because just for a few seconds, anything that I said,   I could hear,   like, you   recorded it and played it back.   Within   a a two seconds,   I could hear what I had just said. I'm like, wow.   Somebody's punking me.  

[00:44:50] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. T Mobile.   Well, yeah. T Mobile is yeah. I mean, it does it it does it with,   with my Verizon phone. Not all the time, but it does do it.  

[00:45:02] Rich Chelson:

Oh, this is the first time it was ever that bad. Sometimes I hear my echo,   you know,   if I'm on speaker like I am now, but not as bad as it just happened.   But, hey. Like I said,   it's T Mobile and a cheap ass phone.   What I can afford.  

[00:45:22] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   Yeah. I'm just I'm just saying sometimes my fancy phone will do it to me.  

[00:45:28] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah?  

[00:45:30] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. So, I mean, it's it's not it's not just you, dude.  

[00:45:36] Rich Chelson:

Well, I kinda figured it wasn't, but I just hadn't heard it ever that bad.  

[00:45:41] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Yeah.   Oh, I know. It is it is very annoying when it gets that bad, though. Yeah. Because it it   it makes talking hell.  

[00:45:50] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. It just kinda surprised me. I'm like, what the fuck is going on now?  

[00:45:57] Duuude-Ron :

It's saying Same shit. T Mobile.   It's saying I need a new phone.  

[00:46:05] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. I just hope to fuck I don't drop this one and have to because I sure the hell can't afford that.  

[00:46:13] Duuude-Ron :

So   They just   they just add it to your monthly bill, dude.  

[00:46:19] Rich Chelson:

I know they do. Like, I like, I can fucking afford that.  

[00:46:26] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you know, I have to I'm gonna have to  

[00:46:30] Rich Chelson:

because I got   an appraisal well, not appraisal, but,   you know, I had somebody   what was it? Last fall, come and look at the roof for the insurance   from the   the hail and tornado that we had.   So the check has been sitting here for about a good   five months, and I haven't cashed it yet. So,   you know, I have to pay the deductible, which is now   15%   of my health worth is my deductible for my insurance now. So that's gonna be easily at $2,000   that I'm gonna have to finance for, you know, my portion of the roof.   And like you guys were talking about   earlier with a,   furnace costing about   $8,000.  

Yeah. I'm probably gonna have to get a new freaking   new furnace. Man, mine's a gas furnace and   electric AC all in one unit.   I can only imagine how much that's gonna fucking cost me.  

[00:47:38] Duuude-Ron :

So A a what? An AC unit?  

[00:47:41] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. One of those does, combo units that does the heating and the air that's the window mounted unit?  

[00:47:47] Rich Chelson:

No. No. No. This is the one that's up in the attic.  

[00:47:50] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, okay. Yeah. No. That one,   Yeah. You just have to call and ask because I'm not sure what they would run,   you know,   or anything.  

[00:48:01] Rich Chelson:

I'm sure it's the well, and I'm probably gonna have to get new, freaking,   new plenum and new,   ducting because,   well, it's original to the house, and the house was built in '80,   late eighties.   So   that's gonna be a nice chunk of change as well.  

[00:48:24] Duuude-Ron :

That Can't wait to make That that would be that would be included with the furnace installed, dude.   Or the AC installed.   So it's it's not separate. It would be all one price.   And you know,   you know,   depending   on area   yeah. $1,215,000.  

[00:48:44] Rich Chelson:

Yep.   Oh, and I I I know the amount, but I'm not, you know, really prepared to fucking   shell out that fucking every month   for another payment.   Right.   But maybe I'll  

[00:49:03] Duuude-Ron :

That was like me and my roof.   I   wasn't I wasn't prepared   to do it.   Yeah. But I had to do it anyway. You know?  

[00:49:13] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. You're right.   So I'm probably gonna have to get a new fucking furnace this   coming summer.   That's gonna be a lot of fun. But, you know, that's the cost of   homeownership.  

[00:49:27] Duuude-Ron :

That is true.   Yep.   But you see, that's the thing now. Once you do it,   you won't have to worry about it again.  

[00:49:37] Rich Chelson:

Oh, you're right. You're right about that because   I'll be in this I will be out of this house before   I would ever have to do that shit again.  

[00:49:47] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:49:48] Rich Chelson:

Yep.   Same way with repairing another roof   unless it gets torn off by a fucking tornado.  

[00:49:56] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   And, you know, that's a racket if you ask me. Insurance come well, insurance companies are all a racket. Whether it's automobile insurance,   house insurance, whatever type, it's all a racket.   You pay all this money.   And if and if a storm comes through and and rips your roof off, they're only gonna give you,   like, 10%.   That ain't gonna cover   shit   on a new  

[00:50:25] Rich Chelson:

And, you know, I have   I've never   caused an accident with my vehicles.   I've gotten hit   in the past.   But, you know,   I've paid insurance now for thirty some odd years and never fucking made a claim.   Mhmm.  

[00:50:47] Duuude-Ron :

But as soon as you do, I ain't gonna pay you for the whole thing. Oh, hell no. And then you'll probably get canceled.  

[00:50:54] Rich Chelson:

Oh, you made a claim. We can't have that shit.  

[00:50:58] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   yeah, there's there's a few insurance companies that are that bad. They will do that. Oh, I know. Yeah.   You know? But yeah. No. It's   insurance game's a racket, man.  

[00:51:13] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. You're right.   You're right.  

[00:51:16] Duuude-Ron :

Insurance the same way. It's a racket, man.  

[00:51:19] Rich Chelson:

Mhmm. Oh, yeah. And that's so fucking distorted by the, pharmaceutical   companies.   Right. It's unreal.  

[00:51:28] Duuude-Ron :

Yo.  

[00:51:30] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, yeah. Well, I'm I'm still a big believer that   when it comes to to health insurance and stuff, it from the time that they decided,   that companies thought it would be good way of attracting people to do this HMO   type stuff,   I think that's where our   where the prices started getting out of control.  

[00:51:55] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, the HMOs and the PPOs, you know? Well, back in the back in the the  

[00:52:03] Bryan Goodwin:

late nineties,   and, early two thousands.  

[00:52:08] Duuude-Ron :

Yep. I remember I remember when they started doing that. That, yeah, that just  

[00:52:12] Bryan Goodwin:

ripped the guts out of everything. Yeah. Because, I mean, all of a sudden, no one really cared   what they were paying for in insurance or, paying for in doctor visits.   All they had to do, oh, I just got $20 co pay. It doesn't cost me anything.   So the insurance companies were or they actually, the doctors   hospitals were able to go, oh, okay. Well, since no one's really checking on any of this,   let's go in and let's double our prices.  

[00:52:39] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:52:40] Bryan Goodwin:

And that's one reason why not even now, if you go through and ask for an itemized,   list of your,   expenses at a hospital,   their their prices suddenly dropped by about half.  

[00:52:55] Rich Chelson:

Mhmm.  

[00:52:56] Bryan Goodwin:

Yep. That's about the time people started realizing, oh, wait a minute. You just charged me $300   for two aspirin?   Yep. Did you really charge me $300 for two aspirin?   And yeah.   And nobody pays attention. That's that's why I think   and I I got into a big fight with my,   with my cousin or not cousin, my sister-in-law   and,   my wife's   aunt,   because,   her aunt's an a nurse,   and her sister is a is a psychiatrist.   And psychiatrist   sister does,   does everything through, you know, insurance type stuff and and government,   government,   pay programs.  

Yeah. Subsidies.   Subsidies and stuff.   Yeah.   And   you woulda thought I just asked them what it would take to cheat the world   if you were actually to go off and run a,   comp,   a a doctor,   office   and not accept   insurance.   And to watch people freak it, what what they're like, you can't. You have to have no. You don't really.   I don't believe you act and guys, if, anybody listening   hears this and,   has some type of deeper information, please   send it over to me circle cast at,   I'm fixing to say it, [email protected]   at,   that's [email protected],   or you can do r chelson, c h e l s o n at gmail dot com. Either way,   if you got some insight on this, I would love to hear from this. Somebody who's got some, some boots on the ground.  

But   to think that you could you have to have insurance.   You have to accept interest. I understand you have to have insurance, you know, to be able to run a doctor's office. I mean, yeah. Because you're gonna have the dumbasses who hear, oh, you're a doctor. Okay. I can sue you because you   I I had the, I had a cold and you treated it as the flu, you know, or whatever.   Yeah. So I get that you have to have insurance, but to   require or to   to accept you have to accept insurance, I don't think you do.  

[00:55:35] Duuude-Ron :

Well, and say and say that's well, no. I would I would I would I would have to agree with you. But   at the same time,   you know,   who has the money to walk in and pay, you know, hundred and 20, hundred and $50  

[00:55:49] Bryan Goodwin:

for a doctor visit? Well, I mean, anybody who who would need to go see it because   a hundred and 50, hundred what are you having to pay for doctor visits now? That's one reason why I don't have insurance. I one, I can't afford the insurance. Two, I can't afford the insurance if I did have the insurance, apparently.   You know? Because I've I've found a place.   I mean,   to to for what I was used to having as insurance,   going through Obamacare's   website,   I am   going to be pay I would end up paying anywhere from 1,500   to 2,500,   and there's a couple times where I came across a $3,000   a month insurance policy for two old   farts like me and my wife.  

Damn.   It's like 3 you know, 1,500 on the low end. It's like son of a bitch. I was and, Yeah. I I threw that, I threw a,   whenever the,   the Medicare or not Medicare, but the,   Obamacare,   Affordable Care Act   sign up opened up again. I was like, alright. Let's I I tried every year just to see if anything's changed,   and I didn't. And I do what I normally do is I throw everything I throw my results up on on Facebook and and with the response of thanks, Obama.   And Yeah. The Affordable Care Act just fucked everything. Oh, no. It did. It destroyed the insurance company where you had affordable insurance, but now it's because the insurance has to be   has to accept   anybody.  

Yeah, they've now taken the prices and jacked them way up. So now nobody can really afford it.   You have to have government subsidies,   but I was look according to what everything they ask, it's like, no. There's nothing there's nothing there that's affordable for me. Well, I had a,   co driver,   who saw my post, and he's like, hey.   Go talk to this gal. This is who I've got. I pay about a hundred and $50 a month. It's like, alright. Sweet.   So talk to her. She's like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, see, we've got, this one, through, Blue Cross Blue Shield. This one and this one and this one. And, see, this one here is about a hundred and $50 a month. This one here is about,   about $300 a month. This one here is about $500 a month. I was like, okay. Well, those are all cheaper.  

So what's the hundred and 50? And she started reading that. I was like, alright. Well, you're gonna need a you've got a $15,000   deductible.   I was like, fuck you.   $15,000   deductible. A thousand dollar deductible.   Damn.   Then on top of that, you, you've got,   so you your co you got your co pay,   which is about $20, it's like, alright, alright. But there was another   element in there, and I can't remember what it is, but anyhow, you have to pay that   before you start paying your deductible,   or it's like you have to pay this for the for   for office visits and stuff, and   it's like, again, there's an an extra, you know, couple thousand dollars before the, the insurance ever gets around to going, okay. Well, I think you put enough money into the system that we can afford to go ahead and pay you. I've been doing start doing our part.  

And it's like,   why?   Why do that much fucking work? Why throw in if you're,   and I get it, they have to be able to make money too so that they can afford the the   the folks who are using it just strictly for the the insurance at that moment so they can just eventually bail   for the preexisting condition people.   And then on top of that, you know, the whole idea of, well, we're gonna make all the young people sign up also so that, they pay for the older folks.   Now   it doesn't work like that either.  

[00:59:57] Duuude-Ron :

And Well well then well then okay. Let me ask this. What the hell are we what the hell are you paying Medicare out of your out of your,  

[01:00:06] Bryan Goodwin:

paycheck for? For the old folks.  

[01:00:10] Duuude-Ron :

So why are they doing it again under Obamacare?  

[01:00:15] Bryan Goodwin:

Because   Obama   did the whole thing. I'm gonna have universal health care. He wanted to try to go off and have something like   oh, Great Britain Canada, and neither one of them neither one of those systems work.   You wind up finding out you got cancer where you're gonna have to sit for you you're on a six six month waiting list   at best   to start trying to get, to go into a to an oncologist.   That's not to get started on the treatment. That's just to see the damn oncologist.  

[01:00:46] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. For the I know that. For the initial appointment. Yeah. Germany is the same way.   Yep.  

[01:00:52] Duuude-Ron :

But but, see, that's the thing. You know? I mean, you   you would think   they would've well, I mean, we had eight years of   of, Obama. Then we had four of Trump, and then we had  

[01:01:06] Bryan Goodwin:

four more of, of Four of of of which grandpa.  

[01:01:10] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   But, again, I mean older Obama. He sold  

[01:01:14] Bryan Goodwin:

Obama sold free health care.   No. He didn't sell it. He forced everybody. He charged with the tax dollars. Sold that's what got him elected was I'm gonna get the I'm let me be clear. We're gonna have   universal health care. We're going to government should nobody should be have to struggle to pay for their health care. And   now everybody struggles to pay for their fucking health care.   Well, you know what? When the government gets involved, I swear there should've the I wish our founding fathers saw this in advance   and stated,   do   there is not not a separation of church and state   because there was there's that's never been in the constitution.  

But there should be in the constitution a separation   of business and government.   Businesses Yeah. Government shall not make no law   hindering the advancements of government   or,   hindrance the advancements of businesses.   Right. And   business   has no ability   to   to influence   laws.   Right. You know? I agree. Sometime something along those lines because that's where,   one,   we get all the,   all the dumbass,   crap going along. I mean, that's why, one,   why did why did telephones   stay   the black   bowling ball hard rubber telephones   for the first, you know, a   hundred   or   so   years   because the government   allowed for the monopoly.  

The government stuck their finger in there. Well, actually, what happened is   Bell Telephone went to him and goes, hey. Yeah.   I've done   I've done all this hard work on,   on on setting up this, and I've got all these telephone lines strung up. I can't be having other people using that, so I need to have a monopoly,   a sanctioned monopoly on on my on my stuff.   And because   the government was like, yeah. Sure. Okay.   They allowed it, and now all of a sudden,   Alexander Graham Bell didn't have to   innovate   for damn near a hundred years.  

[01:03:43] Duuude-Ron :

Let's say the okay. Okay. The thing is, though, is that that's where that's where other people   just rolled over. And this is how things got started and and why we why we're in the pickle we're in now   is because,   okay, Alexander Graham Bell went to the government.   The government   let him do it. Right. Everyone was like, well well   well, we can't,   do anything then. Bullshit.   Because our founding fathers,   all of   a lot of people   innovated   a lot of different things, and they said screw you to everybody.   They still brought their stuff to market.   And it it it wasn't until that   when everyone's like, well, oh, they haven't, you know, monopoly that let's make it illegal, and our government should have just said, nah. Suck it up, buttercup.  



[01:04:43] Bryan Goodwin:

Right. Well, that's I mean, that's the reason   why we had   those hard, heavy, black telephones because we weren't buying them.   We were renting   those telephones   from Ma Bell   until   the seventies   when,   when they,   when the government decided, you know what? We need to go ahead and bust up that whole in that whole telephone thing.   And,   busted up, Bell   Telephone   and broke it all up into the different parts, and then you had AT and T and MCI and Verizon. Well, which MCI became Verizon.   But you had invested everybody up. You had your long distance telephones. You had your little local kingdoms and stuff like that.   And that's when all of a sudden, we started having some of the cool telephones. All of a sudden, you had your Snoopy phone, your Mickey Mouse phone, you had your clear telephone that lit up, you had the the telephone that looked like lipstick, and there was all these new things that were coming out because all of a sudden,   you allowed   the allowed   the   the open market,   free and open market to actually have have access.  

And then all of a sudden, and it didn't take long. It, we had great telephones   going all the way up till,   till about the nineties. And all of a sudden,   from, from having   hardwired telephones, we started having cordless phones. That lasted about ten years, and then all of a sudden, we started doing cell phones.  

[01:06:16] Duuude-Ron :

Yep. What's   next?  

[01:06:19] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, we're still I'm still waiting for the time that, they all of a sudden start,   having us implant chips in our head, and that's where we get everything.  

[01:06:29] Duuude-Ron :

So Well, you know, old old,  

[01:06:32] Bryan Goodwin:

Elon Musk is is working on that as we speak. Oh, yeah. Well, he's not working on it. He's got people.  

[01:06:39] Duuude-Ron :

Well, of course, he's got people.  

[01:06:42] Bryan Goodwin:

He's too he's too busy making people cry.   And, oh my god. I was I'm over here in Chick Shaded, tonight.   And,   the McDonald's has a couple televisions on.   One's,   local,   local,   OKC station. The other one's, you know, like ABC, whatever.   And to listen to them   cry   about   the fact that   Elon is punting the   the probies   in the   food and drug administration,   the, the,  

[01:07:22] Rich Chelson:

department   of agriculture   IRS.  

[01:07:26] Bryan Goodwin:

And rebate. IRS, all the different all the different three letter organizations   out there.   They're just, oh my gosh. It's terrible. It's like, no.   It's not as terrible as you wanna think because they're trying to go off and say, well,   because   they're like,   what was it? There was one that was third   USDA,   I think, they said was 33%   of the their,   their workforce   was higher within the last two years. So they're in the probationary   period. Why it takes two years to go probationary?   I don't know.   Unless they just keep fucking up   because of because of their because of, of,   I the IED,   DEI.  

So it was you know,   if they're if they keep screwing up, thanks to, thanks to DI, and you've got people who don't actually know what they're doing.   But,   you've got people who are complaining about that, and then, like, the, the veteran administration   has something like 19%   of their,   of their   workforce   is is on probationary.   And so you've got about 19%   of the v, the VA   being let go,   which, I mean, I I get it. It sounds bad. It's probably not the best thing in the world.   And, yeah, we're kinda having letting,   you guys who are actually on the the veteran, on the veteran services   are kinda being left out,   to to dry a little bit, and that's something that I I don't want happening.  



[01:09:18] Duuude-Ron :

You might wanna,   read a little more,   on that subject   because it's it's not affecting   what I'm reading.   It's it's it's not really affecting   veterans' health care or anything like this. What it's done what it's doing,   and it's the paper pushers?   Basically, yeah. All the all the   extra,  

[01:09:45] Bryan Goodwin:

staff that Yeah. The DEI people and That does not need it. Director in in their whole office. So  

[01:09:52] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. It's saving it's what it's doing is saving money so the VA can put that money   into   more programs for veterans.   Right. Because the because the secretary of the VA,   has freaking come out and said, oh, no. Don't  

[01:10:09] Bryan Goodwin:

don't think because, see, the news is trying to spin it. Oh, yeah. The news is trying to make it sound horrible and terrible and awful, isn't it? No. No. I've done I've done  

[01:10:19] Duuude-Ron :

I've   well, I get the newsletter   every week and everything like that. And,   yeah, the,   the head dude was like, oh, no. No. No. It's just,   basically   what they've done is come in and found   areas where,   yeah, the, VA,   I guess, corporate was   had these useless programs   or whatnot or   staff, and they're like, uh-uh.   We need to have more money for our veterans.   So let's   let these people go,   and we'll put the money towards   care, which   I agree with. You know?  

[01:11:03] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. And they were I see,   Department of Agriculture is another one that got hit,   got hit recently, and I've got a friend of mine. He he's got,   his wife actually works for the,   the farm services administration.  

[01:11:19] Duuude-Ron :

Uh-huh. And,  

[01:11:21] Bryan Goodwin:

they're   they've got, got told all their all their probies are are now let go. And they're like, oh my god. What are we gonna do? It's like, well, what you've been doing?  

[01:11:32] Duuude-Ron :

Actually, your job?  

[01:11:34] Bryan Goodwin:

And, well, that's I mean, but it's at the same time, they're they   are letting the panic run run free, and they're   what are we gonna do? Well, you're like you said, they're gonna do your job. You're gonna keep doing what you've been doing.   You're just not going to have   the the people who are   not being one for of value to the, to the company   or to the to the organization.   Yeah. It's going to be a little little rough because, I mean, like, he was saying there's   one of the, one of the places that,   he,   that his wife has to go and and work at from time to time, and they've kinda sent her over there   is that they've got a couple of old ladies who are used to doing it the oldest way possible by hand   instead of actually putting stuff into the computer and stuff. And it's like, well, they're the ones who are gonna eventually get let go   because they're going to be they're gonna get noticed, and they're gonna end up being let go because   they   they know what's right and what's not what what's the, policy and what's not policy.  

And to go through and to fill stuff out by hand so that you can, you know,   help, you know,   the insurance farmer,   Fred down the road   be able to,   to   cash in on a,   on an insurance policy because he he planted ten year old wheat   is going you know, that's that all that stuff's gonna end up,   getting cut. And, yeah, there's gonna our farmer's gonna get, hurt a little bit.   It depends on what you define as, farmers getting hurt.   It may be where they have to actually start farming their fields again. I mean, right now, you've got farmers farms that, that   that have,   cotton fields that they don't have to actually plant cotton on. They just have to have it set aside   to plant cotton,   and they would get they get paid for that.  



[01:13:53] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:13:54] Bryan Goodwin:

It's not that they say that. And that doesn't make that doesn't make sense to me. It's like, why would you do that? So wouldn't you make more money   planting the cotton,   growing the cotton, and harvesting the cotton?   But at the same time, it's kinda like when, the what farmer, what the government does now.   They   put in,   price controls. You can't   during, during the,   after the   the dust bowl,   you had to that's when the CRP   got,   program got put into place.   Right. And that was to pay farmers so they didn't plant as much wheat   because that's what they think caused the dust bowl to begin with,   was the overworking   of the of the soil because   wheat was suddenly becoming very, very popular. There was a bumper crop and a bumper crop and a bumper crop, and farmers were were taking,   were buying more and more land on credit, and so is bumper crop upon bumper crop. There was, like like, five, six, seven years of just   massive growth in the wheat farming,   industry.  

And they were taking the the wheat and sending it off overseas and everything, and everybody was making a lot of money.   And then we had our first drought,   and that drought lasted for ten damn years. Mhmm.   And so all of a sudden then you had the wind that that started to blow, and so all of a sudden, all that turned over dirt   wasn't being held down by roots and, and plants. And so, yeah, it started to blow, and all of a sudden, you had the dust bowl kick in.   In. And so afterwards, they were they decided, you know what? We can't be doing that anymore. We need to   find other ways. So there's the more less   effective, you know,   drill method   of of no till,   farming, which is where you just harvest and you leave all the stubble there.  

And then you go through with a with a drill. Basically, it kinda pills the the   the   soil back a little bit,   drops seed in, and lays the lays the, the soil back in place.   Okay. And   so you're you don't disturb, but at the same time, you've got all this excess stubble that's around   and not doing what farmers are normally used to doing. They used to once they were finished harvesting,   and they would leave the wheat they'd leave the stubble there until a little bit before they were going to start, start planting, and then what they would do is they would burn the field because   the the   the fire would create potash,   which is a nutrient for for the plants.  



[01:16:53] Duuude-Ron :

Right?  

[01:16:54] Bryan Goodwin:

Well,   you couldn't,   you couldn't burn anymore because, you know, you were you were destroying the environment.   Again, the government getting involved with with the industry, which they don't need to do.   And so you have stubble   two, three years worth of stubble being built up.   Is it breaking down? Yeah. It breaks down,   but it doesn't break down as fast as if you were to burn it or and do or plowed under and everything else.   And so we wonder why all of a sudden we have these terrible   wildfires that'll rip across the Texas Panhandle and stuff.   Because the they have   we never had that problem.  

When I was growing up, did we have dry seasons? Hell, yeah. Or many a time where   you didn't get rain in July, August, and most of September.   That's just part of the Texas Panhandle. You just you have this you have a big dry season. It's   semi   arid.   We're just, you know,   200 miles if that from the from the mountains. So the mountain,   you know, siphons off all the, all the moisture in the air that's traveling east.   So we're going to be dry, and the the   Gulf Stream,   doesn't kick in until around, you know, Oklahoma City.   That's why they get a little more rain than what we do.  

But because   of the fact that government has decided to poke their fingers in a whole bunch of stuff, it's   sorry. Government does not they may have a whole lot of really smart people.   They may have, quote, unquote, experts, but they don't know diddly shit. They don't they're they have a whole lot of theory and not enough practical.  

[01:18:48] Duuude-Ron :

Well, yeah, because they spend all their time in college. Yeah.  

[01:18:55] Bryan Goodwin:

Farmers can sit there and tell you. It's like, yeah. Okay. That might work.   And you can go off and you can make laws to outlaw, you know, certain types of implements.   I mean, that's one reason why tractors are getting so damn expensive.   One, because   John Deere, well, thinks they need to put   make their, tractors   unrepairable.   But yeah. Anyhow.   Listen to me go on my bitch session.  

[01:19:35] Rich Chelson:

And and then some. And then some.  

[01:19:40] Duuude-Ron :

That's been   that's been quite a while since you've gone off on one there. But You know? Kinda saving for those rare times. You know?   Right.  

[01:19:50] Rich Chelson:

Well, look a lot look at the average   Bush lawnmower.   It's built   for one season.   That's it.  

[01:19:59] Bryan Goodwin:

Pretty close to it. Yeah.  

[01:20:02] Rich Chelson:

You know? So,   yeah.   And we just have to lay down   and take it up the fourth point of contact.   Yeah.   And what you're talking about earlier with, what's going on with all these government agencies?   Everybody there?  

[01:20:35] Bryan Goodwin:

I am. Yep. Still here. Oh, we're listening.  

[01:20:38] Rich Chelson:

Okay.   That   they're   trimming off   the excess fat   and and the reason why the   Democrats   are so up in arms   with all of this   finding the fraud, waste, and abuse   is because they're the ones that are   benefiting   money in their pockets   from all these fucking grants and all this other shit   that,   you know, Doge is finding that is absolutely fucking   uncalled for.   Doesn't benefit   nobody in The United States   except for those that   have the agencies   that they are directing. It goes puts money in their pocket.   That's why they're, in Ron's opinion, so fucking up in arms is because now they're finding out all the fucking   wasteful spending   because it's going into fucking   people's pockets and not going where the fuck it's supposed to go. Right. Yeah.  

Yeah.   Yeah.   What was it?   A couple years ago, I just heard a commercial or something that, you know, they're they're hiring   20,000   new   IRS   agents   so we have more people to try and dig into   everybody's finances   to make sure that, you know,   we're gonna make sure we can find every penny that the average person   is spending,   saving,   what have you,   and go after them.   Yeah.   Like, we needed those 20,000   IRS   agents,   you know, to be able to make phone calls to   threaten the average individual,   you know, about their taxes and about their, you know, payments   and all that other shit. And if they had to pay interest on because they   you know, like,   last year, I owed,   $1,400.  

So,   you know, if I didn't   and if I got on a payment plan, I would be paying interest.   Why? You're already fucking   I'm already giving you an interest free loan throughout the year.   Why should I get penalized if I can't fucking   get it back, you know, that one payment?  

[01:23:20] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.  

[01:23:21] Rich Chelson:

You know? But that's what   they were enforcing.   So it was yeah. We need to trim all the I'm sorry that people are losing their jobs.   I am.   But the jobs themselves   are fucking   unnecessary.  

[01:23:42] Duuude-Ron :

A lot of them are. Yeah. Well, hold on here. Hold on here. You know,   people lose their jobs every day   for various reasons.   Corporation   shut down,   downsizing by the company for whatever reason and all like this. The federal government   is no different.   It's no different   than a corporation   or a business who lays off after   workforce.   Why is there   why is everybody   upset?   You know why? Because   everybody got used to sucking on the government's tits.  

[01:24:21] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[01:24:22] Duuude-Ron :

That's exactly that's exactly what it is.   You know? And they're saying, no. We're not doing this no more.   You know? Which, I mean, is would be just okay. What if Coca Cola   or Pepsi   said,   yeah. We're gonna lay off half our workforce.   That's their right to do.   No. I'm not saying that,   I want to explain to everybody that might be listening. I'm not saying Coca Cola or Pepsi is laying off half their workforce. But if they want to, they could.   And   there's nothing anybody can do about it.   Suck it up. Go out and find another job.   But I don't know. Everyone's got a freaking just,   you know,   boo hoo, boo hoo. What what am I gonna do? How can I live?  

Simple.   Put in an application.  

[01:25:20] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[01:25:23] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I mean, there's this   I don't people are so,  

[01:25:31] Rich Chelson:

I   And   here's another aspect.   There are   several industries   are hurting for   employees   because   individuals   are like, oh, no. I'm above that kinda work,   I   e, truck drivers.  

[01:25:55] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:25:56] Rich Chelson:

And every fucking   go ahead. Yep. No. Go ahead.  

[01:26:02] Duuude-Ron :

I was just gonna say truck drivers   don't have the   respecting glamour and glitz that it once had.  

[01:26:13] Rich Chelson:

That's very much so because the average four wheeler out there   don't give two shits about cutting off a truck even though   and they don't know because they haven't been taught that that it takes you can't stop that truck on a dime. It takes at least a dollar 85, maybe 2 and a quarter   to fucking stop on,   and they don't give any respect because,   well, there is no respect anymore in this   generation.   They don't respect anything.   They they   expect to be given everything.  

[01:26:49] Duuude-Ron :

And been any respect in about the last two or three generations.   I mean,   I'm not saying we were perfect, but we were a lot better than,   and it started going downhill from there.  

[01:27:06] Rich Chelson:

Well well yeah.   It started in in the seventies with,   the drugs   and the hippie culture. And then in the eighties was   fucking cocaine.   So, yeah, the drug once the drugs came in,   the discipline and respect   went out.   Mhmm.   So but yeah. You know?   They think they're above   some of these professions   that are needing people within those professions.   Right. You know,   plumbers,   AC   technicians,   dry truck drivers.   You know, God forbid, if you actually had to physically work,   you know,   outside in the elements.   And, you know,   you're not   at a cushy   chair behind a desk on a computer   just pressing keys all day long for   absolutely   no   no use.  

But,   you know, that's because I don't like computers anyway, so I'm not gonna get behind a fucking computer and do that kind of fucking work.   Why? Because I would   fail immensely.  

[01:28:36] Duuude-Ron :

I don't think so, dude. You   you just need to apply yourself.   You you would  

[01:28:43] Rich Chelson:

I   would apply myself. I would apply myself to this job, this job, and that job.  

[01:28:55] Duuude-Ron :

You can do it, man. I know you can.  

[01:28:57] Rich Chelson:

I know I could. I'd have to, you know, learn just like anything,   but I'm kinda, you know   You would have to get the camera at home.   Yeah.   Yeah. And that's, like, you know, some of the people that I work around that are, you know, behind the computer majority of the day. It's like and the the program that we use, whoever   whatever engineer   or   tech guy that created this   just   is   wow.   Just absolutely   it's an it does not flow whatsoever.   You put in one thing, then you have to put it in again over here. And then a couple of windows later, you're gonna have to put the same information again because   the program does not,   you   know, converse and put the shit in   where you've already entered it in the first time. You gotta do it two or three times.  

So I say, yeah. You let me get behind that computer. I can fuck some shit up, and you'll never fucking figure it out because I have no idea what I'm doing. But I can fuck some shit up for you.   So   you might not wanna let me have a crack at the I can't remember what the hell our program is called. SAP.   Yeah.   Wow. That is just absolutely   an incredible system.   Don't know who developed it, but I think the guy was smoking crack while he was doing it.   That's for damn sure.  

[01:30:42] Duuude-Ron :

Very well. It could've been.   I mean, honestly, you would think on a program where where   the, one information   that you had to type in would populate throughout   the program. So,   you know, that was one less step you had to do.  

[01:31:01] Rich Chelson:

Yep. Nope. This this particular program does not populate anything. You have to populate it yourself.   Yeah. I don't think there's one person that I have talked to that likes and we've had it now for about,   oh,   seven years.   Yeah. About seven yeah. About seven years.   And I don't think there's any   person that I've ever talked to that has to deal with SAP   that   said, yes. I think this is one of the best programs.   It's just something that it,   yeah,   it's a very hard program to use.   So  

[01:31:50] Duuude-Ron :

That's crazy.  

[01:31:52] Rich Chelson:

And we and I don't think we should get into DEI.   Why? Yeah. That's   I don't know how political you guys wanna go.   I think it's worth as   just like,   you know, this administration is, like, the fucking shit is worthless.  

[01:32:12] Duuude-Ron :

Don't Oh, yeah. It is. You need to  

[01:32:16] Rich Chelson:

put a qualified   person   in that position,   not occupy that position because they're,   you know,   green skin with purple hair.  

[01:32:31] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.  

[01:32:34] Rich Chelson:

Or, you know,   have two genders   physically, two genders   on them that makes them more capable of,   you know, doing this job than somebody that actually   went to school for that job.   Yeah. Like and the military,   I think,   they fired I think Trump has fired quite a few generals   because of DEI.   Anyway, that's what I've heard on, you know, the fucking   shit that comes up on my Facebook and, you know, YouTube and so on like that.   Now how true that is, I have no fucking idea.   But, yeah, there's   from what I've heard, he has let go of a lot of generals that are   100%   in agreeance with DEI.  

No, dude.   It's like,   if they ain't qualified to do the position, we ain't gonna fucking hire them for them.  

[01:33:37] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, that's I mean, it's a that's you see, that's the thing. Okay?   This is the way I look at it.   Okay?   The the,   people who are all for the DEI and all like that,   they got their fifteen minutes of fame. Granted, it lasted four years, but they got their fifteen minutes of fame.   Yeah. So so now we need to get back   to life.  

[01:34:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Reality?  

[01:34:05] Duuude-Ron :

You know what?   You know, again,   if you wanna have purple hair,   metal all over your body and face   and, and want to call yourself a, gender fluid,   I give a fuck what you think.   Just do it in your own closet, in your own house.   Don't force it on me.   Yep. And if you notice since Trump   got into office,   and he's been in office a month now,   a lot of that shit   has quieted down. I mean, it's still out there, always will be out there. There will be people fighting this   till   the day everybody dies.   Okay?  

[01:34:49] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Right.  

[01:34:50] Duuude-Ron :

But   as long as,   I I mean,   it's like it's like, why do we even care about it? You know?   I mean, because, well, honestly, because the freaking Democrats and Liberals shoved it down our throats.   And the American people spoke loudly   last November and said,  

[01:35:11] Bryan Goodwin:

no.   Yeah.  

[01:35:13] Rich Chelson:

You know? Enough of this shit. Yeah. Enough of this crap.  

[01:35:17] Duuude-Ron :

You live your life. I'll live my life. And if we agree, cool. If we don't, cool. And   sucks to be you   because you don't know which bathroom to use.  

[01:35:28] Rich Chelson:

Well, in what you just said, if you've got purple hair, metal all over your body and face,   you know,   that's fine.   Do what makes you happy.   But when it comes to this job,   you better know how to fucking do it.   That's right. And if you can do it,   that is fucking great. I could care less if you have ninety six   more holes in your face than God gave you.   I don't care,   but you better be able to do the fucking job.  

[01:36:00] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:36:01] Rich Chelson:

That you didn't just get hired because you had fucking we need somebody here that has green hair and fucking metal in their face   to do this job. We have to have that criteria.   No.   You need fucking somebody that knows how to do the job,   not somebody that has the green hair and fucking   piercings   to to to galore.   And that's where when this DI   came in, I don't even know when the hell it came in.  

[01:36:37] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, it's been real real,   prominent   in February, but   right after,   George Floyd.  

[01:36:48] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Yeah. It started it. Yeah. It started then,   and it picked up during Obama.   Kinda quieted down around Trump.   And then,   yeah, it just went rampant during Biden.  

[01:37:01] Rich Chelson:

Yep. Because he didn't fucking care.   He he was all he was   was a puppet,   and there was fucking   thousands of people pulling his strings. And   that was his whole job was just to fucking be up there and be a puppet.  

[01:37:20] Bryan Goodwin:

Right? Well, I knew that he was, I honestly, I pull I I have I'm one of those that thinks that   he thought he was doing something, but because of his mental state, it was easy to run circles around him. So all they had to do was put something in front of him and go, hey. This is to help the people because do whatever it is that he wanted to do.   And he was just, oh, okay. And he would sign it,   and they would be able to get things   get executive orders and things like that shoved through. And   it shows on when he would try to talk,   and he would contradict himself.  

And then all of a sudden, the news media had to come in and go, oh, well, we're gonna play interference and and cover because what he was actually meaning was something completely different,   which didn't help the manager. And he only does made him look like he was an idiot more.   Yeah. Hence, the reason why he was so pissed at, you know, whenever they   they bumped him.   And I mean, heck, his one of his best colleagues in in the, in the house was, was   Pelosi.   And when she turned around and stabbed him in the back, yeah, he   he doesn't him and, and Jill have nothing to do with the Pelosi's anymore.  



[01:38:38] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:38:39] Bryan Goodwin:

And rightfully so. I wouldn't trust Pelosi anyhow. She looks like the grip keeper almost.  

[01:38:46] Rich Chelson:

No. That's that that that's that other colored lady.   Yeah. That's the Chicago.  

[01:38:52] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, is that Maxine Waters? Or No. Not Maxine Waters. It's No. Maxine Waters is who I'm talking about. Looks like Oh, no. I'm talk oh, I can't think of   Chicago. I I can't remember if she's the governor of Illinois or Chicago. But Oh,  

[01:39:05] Duuude-Ron :

yeah. I can't I  

[01:39:07] Rich Chelson:

I know what she looks like. I don't remember her name.   Yeah. But, yeah, Maxine Waters and   Schiff and who's that other   piece of shit?  

[01:39:18] Bryan Goodwin:

Always running his mouth. See if I can find anything.   Lori Lightfoot was once the mayor of Yeah. Lightfoot.  

[01:39:27] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. She's not now.   Brandon Johnson is is the mayor of,  

[01:39:33] Bryan Goodwin:

Chicago? No. I knew she wasn't. She got   like, she only was able to hang around just for one season,  

[01:39:41] Rich Chelson:

and people were like, man. Yeah. You're an idiot.  

[01:39:44] Duuude-Ron :

That was bad. No. For Chicago.   Because, I mean, fuck. Chicago's weird anyway. But Yeah.   Yeah. She yeah. She was Oh, yeah. The epitome of weird.  

[01:39:55] Rich Chelson:

Well, the epitome is stupid.  

[01:39:58] Duuude-Ron :

What? That too? Yeah. Well,  

[01:40:01] Rich Chelson:

Chicago was a sanctuary city.   The fucking crime way crime rate,   it fucking out of control.  

[01:40:11] Bryan Goodwin:

You know?   Oh, yeah. And violence is still out of control.  

[01:40:15] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. It's always been. I mean Yeah. And it has and it has always been. You know what's funny, though? With with with all the places I've been to in Chicago, and I have been to   just   I would say just about every bad place in Chicago I could go in a truck.   Okay?   I never had one problem.   Never had one problem.   And as I don't know why, but, I mean, you know and and I know there's crime and stuff like this in, Chicago,   but and, I mean, I've been down on the water market at 02:00 in the morning.   That's   that's not a place to be at 02:00 in the morning, but I was waiting to unload.   You know? I had to go.  

Yeah. You know? I've been on Cicero Avenue   and,   you know, at, you know, midnight driving down that   that road going to Brock's Candy that has a   has, like,   a a 15 foot tall fence around the perimeter and a gate with a guard to get in.  

[01:41:24] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[01:41:24] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. And, I mean, I had a dude jump out in front of my truck   trying to stop me,   Get me to stop because,   well, they wanted to rob me. And   Yeah. When   when he saw the smoke rolling out of my stacks after I   floored my truck,   he quickly jumped out of the way.  

[01:41:45] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.  

[01:41:46] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I I wasn't stopping. You know? It's like, I'm sorry. Midnight   going down Cicero Avenue,   there is no reason you need me to stop.   You know? 911.  

[01:42:01] Rich Chelson:

Okay.  

[01:42:02] Duuude-Ron :

No.   And, you know, I've been to I've been to other place. I've been South Side Of Chicago. I've been I I'm I've been all over Chicago. And, I mean,   people thought I was fucking crazy, but I love to go in Chicago.   You know? But and I never had problems. I I don't I don't understand.  

[01:42:24] Rich Chelson:

But Well, because majority   of their crime is black on black.  

[01:42:29] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   yeah, a lot of it is that.  

[01:42:34] Rich Chelson:

You know? So  

[01:42:39] Duuude-Ron :

But, yeah, I don't I don't I don't know.  

[01:42:44] Rich Chelson:

You know, sanctuary cities, that's gonna add fucking crime   just like all the sanctuary cities.  

[01:42:52] Duuude-Ron :

Well, yeah, when you don't enforce the laws that you have   Yep. And you and you don't,   you know you see, that's the thing. Most of these cities   would be in a whole lot better shape if they would just enforce   the laws they have on the books. But you see,   also, you   you have to look at the justice system in these cities as well.   Because it's not just the laws that are on the books,   but you say, you also have to look at the jails then. How full are they?   Well Yeah. You know what? Ship them out.   Nothing says you have to keep them in the town where they committed the crime at.   You know?  

Yeah.   Try them and   yeah, it's just I don't know. There's just there's just a lot of things that I think could have been done   to,   curb some of this.   I mean, shit. Look at New York when, Rudy Giuliani   was mayor.   I'm not saying he did everything right,   but he straightened the hell out of New York quick.  

[01:44:04] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Because   who owns New York?   All the,   mafias.  

[01:44:11] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   mafia is no more, dude. Mafia's been out of out of it. I mean, there's there's still a few, but, yeah, they've they've all they've all quieted down.   Yeah. The mafias don't don't run anything anymore.   At least at least not the mafia   as we know it.   You know, like the Gotti family,   you know, and all them.  

[01:44:37] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Because they used to be,   you know, in every fucking   construction, concrete,   garbage disposal.  

[01:44:47] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah. But but, see, when when they started cracking down on the on the mafia families, they   they wiped out   95%   of them.   And and the ones that are left,   they are severely hampered. They do not have the power that they used to have.   Oh, okay.   Yeah. No. Mafia is is I'm not saying it's totally gone. It'll never be totally gone.   But   in America, it has been squashed pretty damn hard.  

[01:45:19] Rich Chelson:

Oh, okay.  

[01:45:21] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   Now   now you got gangs like,   MS thirteen,   you know, the cartels and stuff like that running areas.  

[01:45:33] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[01:45:36] Duuude-Ron :

So, I mean, there's still there's still,   organized crime. It just switched from the Italians to the Mexicans.  

[01:45:44] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   Well, yeah, I can understand   that.  

[01:46:01] Duuude-Ron :

I don't know. It's just   and, honestly,   you know,   I don't know what we need to do, to be honest with you. I really don't.  

[01:46:13] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. That's a good question. I don't know.  

[01:46:16] Duuude-Ron :

You know, because,   you know,   with   because the old ways of doing things   don't have the desired effect that they used to have.   And   we're still kinda feeling our way for new things.   You know what I mean? I think.  

[01:46:43] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[01:46:44] Duuude-Ron :

That's just my opinion.   I mean, honestly Yeah.   I don't know. Just   Bring back, you know,   nine lashes again.   You screw up, you get nine lashes.   Screw the blue bag, you get 18.   Whatever. You know? Something like that.  

[01:47:15] Bryan Goodwin:

That'll make life interesting.  

[01:47:18] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   Well, I mean I mean, think about it. Back in the early nineteen hundreds,   '18 hundreds, '19 hundreds for a long time, they had public hangings.   And I mean, people would come from miles around. They'd they would leave their house a week in advance   and, you know, make it in time for the hanging because, by god, that was   well, there was nothing going on out there. So,   hey. This is big doing too. They'd get all dressed up in their Sunday best, and they'd go, you know, watch a hanging.  

[01:47:51] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Well, hell, I mean, they I mean, granted the last   back in '77 when the last guillotining actually happened, it was behind in prison walls, but,   I mean, hell, they did,   they   they did public,   beheadings in,   in in France for for quite a long while. Now all the way up to let's see. When was the last public?   See here.  

[01:48:23] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I think also. Public.  

[01:48:27] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. I think they need to bring back, public institutions.  

[01:48:30] Bryan Goodwin:

Thirty nine was the last public   instance.  

[01:48:37] Rich Chelson:

Okay. Well, guess what? Eighteen thirty eighteen thirty nine nineteen thirty nine. '30 '9.  

[01:48:43] Duuude-Ron :

The,   the last hanging   in, in, The US,   August Fourteenth Nineteen Thirty Six   in Owensboro,   Kentucky.   So so we stopped in thirty six. France stopped in '39.   So  

[01:49:06] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. I think we need to bring back public executions.   Yeah.   And,   you know, not have   96 appeals.   Have you been sentenced to death?   You know what?   Sorry. But   they set a date. That's your date.  

[01:49:32] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, it's kinda like how I kinda like how how Japan,   does their, death penalty.   They don't tell you when your when your execution is.  

[01:49:44] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.  

[01:49:45] Bryan Goodwin:

It's just   one day they come they show up and go, alright. Here you go. Let's go.  

[01:49:50] Duuude-Ron :

And away you go. Bang.  

[01:49:52] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. There's some people who'll be there for for years and years and years and years, but then there's others that, you know, won't be there quite that long.  

[01:50:01] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Tomorrow morning at 08:00.  

[01:50:03] Bryan Goodwin:

I don't even know what to tell you. It's just okay. Here we go. From what I understand, they just they just open up the door and go, alright. Come on. Put   put the old put the old night night bag on your head and away you go.  

[01:50:15] Duuude-Ron :

It's a lottery, man.  

[01:50:17] Bryan Goodwin:

I think it's a freaking bingo wheel.  

[01:50:21] Duuude-Ron :

It's the And they got they got little balls with the   Right.   And when it stops, it's possible that it's Who's got eight?  

[01:50:30] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.  

[01:50:31] Duuude-Ron :

We got bingo.  

[01:50:32] Bryan Goodwin:

400 people with eight. Alright. So let's spin again. This is for the second number.  

[01:50:38] Duuude-Ron :

Not a problem. Go ahead. Say though say though the thing is there   there has been times and and and I'm not saying it happens a lot because it doesn't,   but   but there have been times when when the wrong person has been   wrongfully accused.  

[01:50:55] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, no. I agree. And I and that's So that's a,   a a big hindrance of   me just jumping right on in the center of all that going, yeah. I am.   I would almost say unless there has been a,   you know, like,   there has to be something big   that allows for an extra,   an extra appeal  

[01:51:22] Duuude-Ron :

Right. And stuff. But yeah. I mean, there's I mean, you know, I could see I could see,   maybe getting   one or two appeals.   But, you know, if you get three courts saying the same thing,   give it up, dude. But, again, though,   what you see you know, some of these,   they didn't   you know, the technology   wasn't as advanced.   Right. You know, back in the day, there was a lot of prejudices   for   anybody.   Yeah. You know? Yeah. Not   not any one group of people.   You know?   But, you know, and it just   I mean, now   you got,   people,   you know, getting off on all these little,   technicalities   that   it's proven.  

And you see, that's the thing. If someone gets off on a technicality,   you can't turn around them and and,   you know, charge him with the same crime even though you've got all this evidence,   and it points to this person.   I mean,   beyond a shadow of a doubt,   but they got off because of a technicality.   You've gotta go out and find new evidence.  

[01:52:49] Rich Chelson:

Yep.  

[01:52:49] Duuude-Ron :

Really?   It's like, oh my gosh.   Just because   they use the word duh instead of a,   that's a technicality.   You see, that's where that's where   that's why I don't like lawyers because lawyers are like that.  

[01:53:09] Bryan Goodwin:

You know? There was a and I still got it on my,   I went ahead and saved it on on my phone, but,   there was a rest of the story.   Someone's got a TikTok channel of nothing but rest of the stories.  

[01:53:26] Rich Chelson:

Mhmm. And, I still love that. Oh, I I still do. I still do. And,  

[01:53:34] Bryan Goodwin:

Paul Harvey was talking about   back   in   the,   back when the the,   like, '17 sixteen, seventeen hundreds,   if I remember it right.   There was   a group of people   that actually   got banned   from Vermont   and Massachusetts,   And you they the way he kept describing it is like and they were being they were called despicable.   They were called,   Furman. They were called,   parasites, and they just all this other stuff. And he kept on talking about how   these people were so,   were so   not an oppressed, but were so reviled   and just   hated that it   and they they got kicked at they got banned in in, like I said, Vermont and Massachusetts   for,   for about thirty years.  

And they slowly made their way back, and he just keeps building on to this. And the whole time, just beautiful storytelling that that that we all know Paul Harvey did.   Right. And, at the end,   the people that he was talking about were lawyers.   Yeah.   The whole time, everybody called them horrible, terrible, no good, awful   critters, and, yeah, they were actually, just,   it was just your typical ordinary,   run of the mill, lawyer   who was,   who was, for a while, banned in some states. So  

[01:55:14] Duuude-Ron :

That is crazy.  

[01:55:17] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   And talking about Paul Harvey's rest of the story,   I heard one   as I was driving down the road.   I can't remember. I think it was my, oldie's channel. They   had a segment for   the rest of the story, and it was talking about   the kids' rhymes.   Old Mother Hubbard,   that was shit.   Oh, yeah.  

[01:55:55] Bryan Goodwin:

Yep. Came across one that was talking about who,  

[01:55:59] Rich Chelson:

And who were they? And they let's see. Damn.   Mother Goose.  

[01:56:05] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Mother Goose was actually a from from what I was under, understood was Mother Goose was   a a,   a woman from the Victorian era who moved actually moved to, to The US.   And,   I don't know. What was the,   hey, diddle, diddle, the cat and the fiddle? The cat is actually queen Victoria.  

[01:56:31] Rich Chelson:

Well, yeah. But that the nursery rhymes   that this one person   were that this one person made up   a majority of   these nursery rhymes   was all   criticizing   the,   the royal family.  

[01:56:53] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:56:54] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Yeah. There was All all of it. Brother's grim.  

[01:56:59] Bryan Goodwin:

Wasn't it? Now the brother no. It's, mother goose. I'm saying that,  

[01:57:04] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Mother's   yeah. Yeah. Mother Goose was,   written by the brother's grim.   No. No.  

[01:57:13] Bryan Goodwin:

No.   Let's see here.  

[01:57:16] Rich Chelson:

You well, this is what I just heard. It was some lady   that had a grudge   against,  

[01:57:25] Bryan Goodwin:

the royal family. Goose is what her what her name was. She was a seventeenth century Bostonian.  

[01:57:33] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. The yeah. Of mother Goose. Yeah. The writer   was mother   Goose, and all of her   rhymes   were   directed against the royal family.   I'll find it one one day and,   you know,   be able to re reiterate a little bit better than what I did tonight as far as, you know, the nursery rhymes.   But, yeah, Mother Goose was the author.  

[01:58:06] Duuude-Ron :

Hey. It says, actually, Charles Perrault,   wrote the Tales of Mother   Goose,   and it was translated by Charles Wells.  

[01:58:20] Rich Chelson:

Well, that ain't what I heard as far as   the rest of the story from Paul Harvey   of the one that I heard.  

[01:58:28] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.  

[01:58:29] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. But, again,   it was just  

[01:58:33] Duuude-Ron :

Well, see, I'm I'm seeing something here. It's saying it was written by   Thomas   Dibdin.   So   I don't know.  

[01:58:49] Rich Chelson:

Well, again, what's the old philosophy?   You know,   believe only   half of what you can see and nothing of what you hear.  

[01:58:59] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.  

[01:59:01] Duuude-Ron :

You know?   So I don't know. Yeah. I know. And that's why,   you know, that's why that's why when I'm looking something up, I try and   verify.   You know?   You know, I I try and verify just to see hopefully, I can   come up with   some sense of   the right stuff.  

[01:59:26] Rich Chelson:

You know? And   in truth,   if   Paul Harvey   is   telling a story,   I would   tend to believe him because   he was the type of reporter   and newsman   that would actually go and   research the facts   before he said anything.   Oh, yeah. The other one the other one is Walter Cronkite.  

[01:59:57] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you see, that's the thing. You know, all   basically,   all of the news people back in their times of Walter Cronkite,   Paul Harvey,   I mean, they were all stand up people. They didn't   talk bullshit.   Some of them might have, but 99%   of journalists back back in that time frame,   everybody will   because   they were standing on their name.  

[02:00:24] Rich Chelson:

Yes. Exactly.   Yep. And they would do the research,   you know, to make sure they got the facts   before they broadcasted   anything because, again, yes,   it all went back to   your namesake.   Yep.   And if you couldn't prove it and it was a bunch of shit, your name yeah.   You went to shit real quick or your name did.  

[02:00:52] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[02:00:53] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah.  

[02:00:59] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. That's why that's why I didn't mind the news back then.  

[02:01:03] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.  

[02:01:05] Duuude-Ron :

You could get the facts and make your own opinion.  

[02:01:10] Rich Chelson:

Yep. Exactly. They usually they did a very good job   of getting the facts for you.  

[02:01:17] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[02:01:20] Rich Chelson:

Because, again, like what you just said, it was   their name.   Mhmm. And they weren't and they were not going to embarrass themselves   by just fucking putting up a bullshit story.   Yep.   So here's a question for you.   And this one this is getting completely off the subject of what we were just talking about.   Both you guys being truck drivers,   you see a lot of these signs that say   guardrail   damage.   Right?   Okay. Yep. Yes. There's obviously damage to the guardrail.   Why the fuck do we need the goddamn signs?  

[02:02:04] Bryan Goodwin:

So that if somebody goes off and gets   into a wreck on that damaged guardrail or goes through the damaged guardrail,   they can't be sued or they can't as easily   sue the state because they didn't know the guardrail damage.  

[02:02:20] Duuude-Ron :

That's right.  

[02:02:21] Rich Chelson:

Oh, okay. I gotcha. You know, and I'm thinking I'm looking at this. It's like,   guardrail damage is like, okay.   What?   Do you expect me to hit the fucking guardrail at the same goddamn point?   No. I'm gonna try and stay away from the fucking guardrails.   You know? Yeah. They're damaged.   Yeah. It's not like I'm a fucking hit it that's in the same damn place.  

[02:02:50] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. But no  

[02:02:52] Rich Chelson:

everyone's like you, dude.  

[02:02:54] Duuude-Ron :

They should be. Well, I agree.   You know?   Like yeah. No. But no. Brian's right. They they throw that up there because   if someone else hit it and there was no sign up, they're gonna sue the state.   And   some lawyer   who should be banned   will make the state pay.   And the judge who allows this shit   needs to be   sent off somewhere.  

[02:03:25] Rich Chelson:

No. They don't need to be sent off any place. Just needs to be shot.   Yeah.   I understand you cannot   fix stupid. You can beat the shit out of it   for several hours   with a two by four or a lead pipe.   Yeah. But it's still it's never gonna get there.   Yeah. Yeah. It's never gonna fix it.   It would just be fun   to try and fix it with a two by four.  

[02:03:55] Duuude-Ron :

But, dude, duct tape it. You muffled stupid.   I'm telling you, duct tape, man.   Duct tape is your friend.  

[02:04:11] Rich Chelson:

Well, 30 out six would be my friend or 45   or,   you know, a nine mil. Just   and then and then   and then   they have the audacity   to breed.  

[02:04:31] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you know,   you know, I I Create.   I got nothing, man. I'm sorry. I got nothing.  

[02:04:42] Rich Chelson:

And create the next   generation of   stupid.   I would I  

[02:04:52] Duuude-Ron :

would say there's enough duct tape, but I'm not a % sure on that.  

[02:04:57] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.  

[02:05:00] Rich Chelson:

You know, I don't know if they could make that much duct tape   even in ten years.   Running a   running a production line   twenty four seven,   three hundred and sixty five days.   I don't think they would ever be able to make enough duct tape.  

[02:05:27] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I I don't know, man. Honestly.  

[02:05:33] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. But I've I'm passing these signs. It's like, yeah. Guardrail damage. I'm gonna fucking   run my truck   right into that guardrail that's already damaged   just because you said it was.   Yeah. No. I'm trying to stay away from it.   But, yeah, you know, I understand with what you're saying, the sue factor, because we are a sue   happy nation,   especially when it comes to, like, what we were talking about earlier, the health care and the doctors that pay   outrageous   amounts   of   malpractice   insurance.  

[02:06:14] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[02:06:16] Rich Chelson:

Everybody,   you know,   wants that dollar.   They just don't wanna go out and work for it, but they still want it.  

[02:06:29] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you know, that's   that's the way it's been for a long, long time, man.   Oh, yeah. So and and it's and,   honestly, I don't see it changing anytime soon.  

[02:06:42] Rich Chelson:

Well no. Yeah. And that aspect, that's   that's been way before fucking Jesus   and   Moses  

[02:06:53] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[02:06:54] Rich Chelson:

And,   Noah   for that matter.  

[02:07:04] Duuude-Ron :

What?  

[02:07:05] Rich Chelson:

But that's a conversation for another day.  

[02:07:07] Duuude-Ron :

I was gonna say, did they have money in that time, or, did they just barter?   I mean, something   something because   money,   all money is   is something that you place a value on.  

[02:07:25] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   Seriously? Well, they're all Romans had money and   Yeah. But sure I'm sure Babylon had   some type   of valued   currency.   It may have been a rock.  

[02:07:40] Duuude-Ron :

Very well could have been an ore. Well, you see, the They didn't do a coin.   Lot of things lot of things,   grain had more value than they didn't   have no no stamped metal or stamped rock or anything.   Grain was   was the money.   You see, that's the thing.   You you can use anything as money.  

[02:08:04] Rich Chelson:

That's true.  

[02:08:05] Duuude-Ron :

As long as you get everybody on the same thing   Yeah. You can use water,   bottled water as money.   You know?  

[02:08:16] Rich Chelson:

Yeah, well, they've used coffee   as money. They've used   Yep.   Of   yeah. A lot   of lot of agriculture has been used for money throughout the,   you know,   the human race.  

[02:08:38] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Oh, yeah.   You know? I mean I mean, everyone thinks of, you know, physical money, and it's like,   now you can use just about anything as money.   I mean, look. We our dollar was backed on gold and silver   Yep. Up until, what, '64   when Nixon  

[02:08:58] Rich Chelson:

took us off the gold standard?   Yeah. Whenever Nixon took us off the gold standard, whenever that was. Yeah. No. It wasn't '64, was it?   I I don't know when Nixon was in office, but, yeah, he's the one that did it. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. I know he did it, but  

[02:09:16] Duuude-Ron :

but yeah. And see, that's the thing. You know? That was back when, you know, gold and silver, that's I mean,   you know,   you know, gold and silver was a freaking commodity.  

[02:09:27] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. And gold and silver was a commodity   in   Moses's  

[02:09:34] Duuude-Ron :

time. Right. Yeah. You know? So   gold is all They made everything out of gold back then.   Yeah.  

[02:09:43] Rich Chelson:

You know? But it was still a commodity that they could, you know, use to get other things.  

[02:09:50] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Well, and see, also, they had,   fragrances and perfumes,   you know, during Moses's times that were   of of value. You know? They Yeah. Well, they Yeah. They had shekels   back during that time. So, I mean, there's   but yeah. Yeah. Many different things have been used for money.  

[02:10:10] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah. Yeah.  

[02:10:12] Duuude-Ron :

You know?  

[02:10:15] Rich Chelson:

Not just the,   pieces of cotton paper or the freaking   metal coins that are in my pocket.   Right.  

[02:10:31] Duuude-Ron :

Honestly well, I mean,   well, I was gonna say, honestly,   you know,   I ought to get a whole bunch of dirt and   and,   use that as money, but   then I stopped myself because I was like, you dumbass.   Land.   What's land? Dirt?  

[02:10:54] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. How much I'd dare? How much I'd  

[02:11:01] Rich Chelson:

I got jar, dirt. I got jar, dirt.  

[02:11:09] Duuude-Ron :

No. I Yeah. I love it.  

[02:11:12] Bryan Goodwin:

What was that? Love that one. Movie? Yeah. It's off of Pirates of the Caribbean.  

[02:11:17] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah. Dead   Man's Chest.  

[02:11:21] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Okay.  

[02:11:23] Rich Chelson:

Okay. Yeah. Because it had what's his name's heart in it? What was his name?  

[02:11:28] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, oh, what was his name?  

[02:11:32] Rich Chelson:

But it had his heart in a jar of dirt.  

[02:11:35] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Davy Jones.  

[02:11:38] Rich Chelson:

Davy Jones. Yeah.   Yep. Davy Jones locker.   I got a job there. I got a job there.  

[02:11:47] Duuude-Ron :

Why didn't you why didn't that just roll off your tongue?   You're a navy man, dude.  

[02:11:56] Bryan Goodwin:

No? Well, no. I don't know.  

[02:12:00] Rich Chelson:

Because he never had a jar of dirt.  

[02:12:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Would never committed to having to be   committed to sea for for was it   ten years at a time or whatever?  

[02:12:16] Rich Chelson:

Yep. That was Davy Jones. Ten years at sea, one day   on land.   Damn. Rinse and repeat.   As so the tail goes.  

[02:12:31] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, you know, it it could be   true.   You know?   Because   yeah. I mean, we've got some weird people nowadays, but back then,   I had some really weird people.   You know?  

[02:12:50] Rich Chelson:

Well,   everybody   has their definition of weird   or odd   or   nonconformance.   Yep.  

[02:13:05] Duuude-Ron :

You have you that   suit of you, dude.   Did I blow mine here, dude?  

[02:13:20] Rich Chelson:

I'm sorry. I yeah. It either went over my head, went completely   went completely through my ears,   and did not stop and rattle around a bit.   I have no idea with what you just said.  

[02:13:36] Duuude-Ron :

I said I said that was very astute of you.  

[02:13:41] Rich Chelson:

Oh, astute   of me. Okay. Astute.   Yes. Yeah. Okay. I didn't   it   I didn't understand what you said as far as getting the right word. Astute. Yeah.   Sometimes, astute.   And you know what?   At 09:15,   that's a pretty damn big word   for 09:15.  

[02:14:05] Duuude-Ron :

Ain't it? Know. Dude.   And   that's another word that is not commonly heard.  

[02:14:14] Rich Chelson:

No.   No. Not anymore.   No. It sure is not.  

[02:14:23] Duuude-Ron :

You know, we need to bring back words like that.   We'd be better off, I think.  

[02:14:35] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. It would.  

[02:14:37] Rich Chelson:

It would definitely help if we were able to.   It would definitely make people stop and   at least,   try to think   Right. Of what that meant.  

[02:14:50] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right.   Be like, what the hell did he say?   I mean, I would have   I mean, honestly, we could find an old 1960,   '19 seventies   Webster's dictionary   and blow people's minds.   I mean, literally, we could blow their minds.  

[02:15:10] Rich Chelson:

Yep.  

[02:15:12] Duuude-Ron :

Because they were still using words like that back then.   Yep.   That's crazy.  

[02:15:22] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah.  

[02:15:25] Duuude-Ron :

It'd be like, I don't understand.   I can't comprehend that.  

[02:15:29] Rich Chelson:

Yep.  

[02:15:35] Duuude-Ron :

But, see, we could use our make our own code like that too.   See, everyone thinks cursive is is is, you know, the   the code of the future.   And and, yeah, partially so it is.   But but, you know, if you get a a older dictionary, Webster's,   not a Merriam Webster's, a Webster's dictionary,   and, make your I mean, shit. We could   speak the English language.   And, yeah,   people would never   never catch on.  

[02:16:13] Rich Chelson:

Well, yeah, that's that's also like,  

[02:16:17] Duuude-Ron :

putting a   teenager  

[02:16:21] Rich Chelson:

in a room   with a dial   phone   and write the instructions   in cursive.   Their their head would fucking explode.  

[02:16:36] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. They would.  

[02:16:38] Rich Chelson:

I've seen a couple of videos of,   you know   you know, older teenagers,   15, 16, 17, 18,   and their   parents or whoever   would send them against the dial phone. It's like, okay.   Call this number.   And they're looking at that dial, and it's like,   they just are fucking totally lost.  

[02:17:05] Duuude-Ron :

Mhmm.  

[02:17:06] Rich Chelson:

Have no clue.   I think that's hilarious.   And to write the instructions   in cursive?   Yeah. That would fuck them up even worse.  

[02:17:19] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. It would.  

[02:17:20] Duuude-Ron :

You could even print them out, and they still wouldn't be able to comprehend it.  

[02:17:25] Rich Chelson:

No.   No.   You know? And I don't write in cursive myself.   The way I write is all capital letters.   That's just the way I write, and then   my signature is in cursive.   But I had a guy that I work with   that,   his signature   was just him writing his name.   Right. No cursive as a signature, just him writing his name in capital letters.   That was his signature.  

[02:18:04] Duuude-Ron :

So   so you write in all capital letters, so you scream at everybody, and he just screams his name at everybody. Okay. I gotcha.  

[02:18:14] Rich Chelson:

Yep. I scream at everybody. If I if that's screaming with me writing all capitals, yep,   my my voice is coming off that piece of paperwork   at a at a very   loud   volume.   Yes.  

[02:18:29] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. No. It's it's like it's like if you're texting  

[02:18:32] Rich Chelson:

and and you do all caps,  

[02:18:34] Duuude-Ron :

they say   they say you're yelling.   Yeah.   So   so yeah. That's that's why   that's why I said it like that. Yeah. I know. Yeah.  

[02:18:49] Rich Chelson:

So Oh, I knew I knew where you're going with that. Okay.   Yeah. So, yeah, you're right. If I'm writing, I'm yelling.  

[02:19:00] Duuude-Ron :

My god. I'm yelling.  

[02:19:02] Rich Chelson:

That's right. Because I can't I cannot   write lowercase letters.  

[02:19:09] Duuude-Ron :

Really?  

[02:19:10] Rich Chelson:

That is just uncomfortable.   Yep. Everything is capitals.  

[02:19:15] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Now it has for you.  

[02:19:17] Rich Chelson:

And if I'm   and if I'm capitalizing   the beginning of a sentence,   the capital letter is a little bit bigger   than the rest of the capital letters   in the word.  

[02:19:33] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. So   so   so you're saying   if I read something you write, I have to wear headphones?  

[02:19:44] Rich Chelson:

Headphones,   earmuffs,   you know, some type of  

[02:19:52] Duuude-Ron :

Earning protection?  

[02:19:54] Rich Chelson:

Yes.   Yep.   You  

[02:19:59] Duuude-Ron :

do. Okay. I will I will I will I will try and keep that information.   So so if I ever do read something that you write, I don't I don't I don't go deep.  

[02:20:13] Rich Chelson:

Or yeah. You don't go deep or you don't get offended   because your feelings might get hurt   because I'm yelling   so much.   Right. Right. And we you know, god forbid if I hurt anybody's feelings.  

[02:20:29] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah. That's just   rude, dude. That's just I know because  

[02:20:35] Rich Chelson:

you know, and let them try to hurt my feelings. Ain't gonna happen because I ain't got none.  

[02:20:41] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[02:20:42] Rich Chelson:

You know? So you can try all you want to hurt my feelings,   and you ain't going to because,   you know, like you say, Rich, it's like,   I don't give a fuck what you think.  

[02:20:53] Duuude-Ron :

That's that's exactly right. I got two shits.  

[02:20:57] Rich Chelson:

Yep. If you ain't funding me, feeding me, or fucking me,   that you know what?   You can say all you want. Ain't gonna fucking mean shit.  

[02:21:06] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right.   In fact, I only pooped once today, so   I'm good.  

[02:21:14] Rich Chelson:

Well, that was entirely   fucking too much information that we needed to have for this conversation for tonight.   But I'll do even one better.   I've had two liquid events.  

[02:21:27] Bryan Goodwin:

I did not need to know either one of those.  

[02:21:32] Duuude-Ron :

Look at you being all politically   correct, dude.   That was actually cool, though. I I I did I did like   your choice of words there.  

[02:21:44] Rich Chelson:

Well, yeah. You know what? That's I think that's the first time I've been politically correct maybe in fucking   years.   Because I know it was   Go ahead, dude. Nobody needed nobody needed to know that information.   You're right.  

[02:22:04] Bryan Goodwin:

But, Brian, would you like to jump in too? That's okay. No. I don't care to talk about my my bodily functions. I've got nice my my gut works like it's supposed to.   Okay. Sometimes it's on high speed. Sometimes it's a little slower, but it's, you know, it still works. And that's the important part. I have my I have my morning poo, and we're   good.  

[02:22:26] Duuude-Ron :

And you jumped right in. Yes.   Alright.   I I   my god. It's a good one.  

[02:22:35] Rich Chelson:

Two politically correct statements in one short span of a conversation.   What the   hell in the words of Buford t Justice,   what in the hell   is the world   coming to?  

[02:22:54] Duuude-Ron :

Oh my gosh.   Oh, lord have mercy.  

[02:23:02] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. I wanna talking about talking about our profession.   Uh-huh. Again, going down the interstate, I was coming home.   I saw a fucking   absolutely   beautiful   old   school   nineteen seventies   cab over   semi.  

[02:23:29] Duuude-Ron :

Really? Oh, I bet you guys a triple tone paint job  

[02:23:35] Rich Chelson:

and was chromed out.   It was fucking   gorgeous.  

[02:23:40] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, I bet, dude.  

[02:23:42] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   They put some fucking time and money into that cab over.   And now   and cab overs are coming back.  

[02:23:51] Duuude-Ron :

I believe it.  

[02:23:54] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. There's a lot of restoration going on to get cab overs back on the road.  

[02:24:01] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah. I mean  

[02:24:02] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. I'm seeing more and more of them every day.  

[02:24:05] Duuude-Ron :

Right. No. I mean, there you see, that's the thing. I mean, you can run any truck on the road as as long as it passes DOT.   Now Yeah. Now   now it depends on which company you go with because   for a while, a lot of companies   wouldn't allow a vehicle over 10 or 12 years old.  

[02:24:26] Rich Chelson:

That's correct.  

[02:24:28] Duuude-Ron :

So and I don't know if that's changed.   You know? But yeah. No. Them   them old freaking cab overs,   there is no fucking room in them. I guarantee you.   None.   I mean,   you either sleep over the doghouse or you crawl over the doghouse   and you lay in your bunk.   There's no standing. There's no sitting.   You sit in the passenger seat or the driver's seat.   I'm sorry. It is I mean, it's a box,   and it's a small box on top of that.  

[02:25:02] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. And I've never looked inside of a cab over, so I have no idea.  

[02:25:08] Bryan Goodwin:

And But it's just for The only thing I know about cab overs is you better remember you're in a cab over when you get down to that son of a bitch. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You're gonna quickly remember   what would you make impact with the ground.   Yep.   I guess I did that once.  

[02:25:27] Duuude-Ron :

Well, I've I've   I've done it a couple times. So  

[02:25:34] Bryan Goodwin:

no. On purpose. I was in a when I worked for Slumber's Day, they had a,   they had the, the,   the pipe what they call the pipe truck. And, basically, it was just the it was the crane. It had a, it had a crane, and it carried,   some odds and ends for for the prac jump. And,   and, it had little short pieces of,   of, of of iron stuff,   and it was a cab over. I hated driving the fucking thing because, one,   I'm used to driving   using the cab or using the nose of the, of the truck   to determine where I'm at in relation to the road.   Right?  

And   you don't have that in a cab over.  

[02:26:22] Duuude-Ron :

No. You don't.  

[02:26:23] Bryan Goodwin:

And you are not fully sure where you're at in the road for I don't know what it is because you're so high,   above the above the ground,   and there's no marker for you.   Yeah. I was always scared to death that I was going off the edge of the road.  

[02:26:42] Duuude-Ron :

Dude, lean forward and look down. You could see. Yeah. I mean, literally,   when you're driving a cab over, you can lean forward  

[02:26:51] Bryan Goodwin:

and look out the windshield at the road right in front of the truck. Well, I was too busy making sure I didn't go off the edge of the road, okay,   to think about, oh, let's lean over here. Make sure we're we're at where we're supposed to be.   It's a scary sight, man. It is. It it scares the shit out of it. But yeah. Anyhow. So we were we I was I was setting that.   We had a few hours to go before we were gonna kick everything off.   And so,   everybody just kinda goes to their truck, their assigned truck, and they take a nap. So I was sitting crawling in the truck. I wasn't gonna sleep in the freaking bunk because God knows who else had been in that damn bunk.   So I would just I would just sleep in the, in the, in the seat.  

And while they   beat on the door, you know,   an hour or two later, beat on the door, tell tell me it's time to go. When I flung that door open, I stepped out of that truck and   yeah.   Just boom.  

[02:27:59] Duuude-Ron :

Straight to the ground.  

[02:28:02] Bryan Goodwin:

I think I think I'm at one time, I was six foot three. I could swear I was at one time. Now I'm only six foot two. So  

[02:28:12] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. No. That's yeah. That That hurts too. Yeah. No. It no. It no. It it does not feel good.   Yeah. I've,   yeah, I've driven a few cab overs,   and,   I was used to driving hoods.   And, yeah, I I would I would make that mistake at least once.   Very, very seldom   would I make that mistake twice. Twice?   Yeah. Very seldom. But Until you come back to another, another conventional and  

[02:28:47] Bryan Goodwin:

that, oh, let's go to cab over again.  

[02:28:50] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   Yeah, no, it's, I mean, I, I enjoy driving a cab over.   Well, my thing was the freaking cab over the, the, gear shift is so fucking short   and,   and, and the shift pattern   is so fucking tight.   You literally don't move   it even even it feels like even a freaking millimeter. No. And and and you skip three years.   Uh-huh. Yeah. I'm serious. It is that tight. You don't you don't have,   you know, any in a conventional.   You actually have to move the gear shift, and it goes from up by the dash back down towards you. Yeah. Yeah. And it   and it cab over?  



[02:29:37] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. It's like fucking formula one. We we we we we we we.  

[02:29:43] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Seriously. It's and and it's and the timing is all off. Oh, yeah. It's it's   takes a minute to get used to.   I never did get used to shifting   a cab over,   But I didn't mind driving it once in a while.   It was just weird, though, looking out the windshield   and   immediately   straight down.   You could see the bumper and the grill and everything, and you could see the road.   And Yeah. Yeah. It's it's   trust me. It's scary.  

[02:30:19] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.  

[02:30:22] Duuude-Ron :

But that thing could back up on itself.   In a second.  

[02:30:28] Rich Chelson:

Yep.  

[02:30:29] Duuude-Ron :

I mean, seriously, in a second, it'll back up on itself.   Yeah.   I drove I drove a few of them, but   I   preferred   hoods.   Yeah. For the nose, a long nose.  

[02:30:49] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, yeah. The longer, the better. Give me give me some real estate to be able to judge where I'm at in the in the universe. It helps out tremendously.  

[02:30:59] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. It does, doesn't it? Yeah.   I mean I mean, on repeat, I could use I could use a grab handle because a grab handle on is is out there on the front of the hood. Right? Right. And and I just had the stock one, and it had and and it has a center crease, and then it has the two handles   on each side. Right. And   and I knew where to put that center crease  

[02:31:24] Bryan Goodwin:

on In relation to the yeah. In relation to the mayonnaise and the mustard. You knew exactly where you were.  

[02:31:29] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And and I was I was I knew exactly where I was at on any road at any time. Yeah. Yeah. Not so much in a cab over. Uh-uh. Nope. Not a cab over. God damn  

[02:31:42] Bryan Goodwin:

it. And it didn't help. There was times that I'd be riding in that cab over pass, and   somebody else would be driving. And they'd sit there, and they'd be over on over on the shoulder too.   Mhmm. And just I mean, the whole time, I you could not relax. You were just, like, going, are you gonna hit this? You know, going onto a bridge, you're like, oh, god. You're gonna hit the freaking wall. Oh, okay. We're not gonna hit the wall.   Okay. Okay. Oh god. We're gonna okay. We're not gonna hit that.  

[02:32:13] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I gotta say I gotta say driving a cab over,   you really   learned how to drive.  

[02:32:21] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Drive with no with no landmarks.  

[02:32:24] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Well well, that and,   now I'm not sure. I'm not I'm not I'm not sure about the cab over you drove, Brian, but the ones I normally drove didn't have   power steering,   or they were spring ride. Oh, yeah.   There was no comfort.   None.   So, yeah, that that, yeah, that was, yeah, that was rough.   And  

[02:32:52] Bryan Goodwin:

yeah. We had we had the we didn't have Armstrong power steering. We had actual power steering in in,  

[02:32:59] Duuude-Ron :

in that one. But Well, shit. You got lucky. Damn. Oh, hell yeah.  

[02:33:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Not me. Try to make a turn sitting still trying to make a turn.   Yeah. Hey. To use the damn winch to be to get the wheel to spin.  

[02:33:16] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Exactly.   So yeah. No. That's  

[02:33:20] Rich Chelson:

having to put your foot up on the dash?  

[02:33:24] Duuude-Ron :

Wrench and pull. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. It was it was   just yeah. The struggle was real.   Yeah.   You know? Yes.   But, I mean, hell, I'd   my first few,   conventionals I drove,   didn't have power steering. So Yeah.   That's why that's why we we had a 24 inch wheel because it was the size of the tires.   Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. That's why that's why that's why the older big trucks,   the the,   the steering wheels   were big ass dinner plates. Yeah. Yeah. They were the size of the actual tire,   like, you know, because back in the day, 24 fives   was was a standard.  

Right. And then then they went to 22 fives.   Well, the steering wheels   were   were of the appropriate size   because if your truck didn't have power steering,   you could actually   that a that a 24 and a half inch steering wheel   made it a little easier   to turn when the truck was stopped. Oh, yeah. You had a lot more, a lot more torque going on there. Yeah. So Yeah. And that's why that's why that's why they did that. So   but then when they started putting power steering on everything,   then yeah. Yeah. One company, zero transportation   out of Texas.  

I'm not sure if they're still in business.  

[02:34:58] Rich Chelson:

I've never heard of them. So   Really?  

[02:35:01] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.  

[02:35:03] Duuude-Ron :

They're,   last I knew I think they were out of San Antonio. I might be wrong.   But,   they had trucks for a while with a 10 inch fucking Mexican steering wheel.   I'm serious.   I I am no bullshit.   I jumped in to do my road test because I I was going to,  

[02:35:25] Bryan Goodwin:

you know There is still a   well,   there's zero trans.  

[02:35:32] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Same thing.  

[02:35:34] Bryan Goodwin:

But it's a   powered by airline coach services. It's a bus service now.  

[02:35:40] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, wow.  

[02:35:42] Bryan Goodwin:

Okay. Zero transportation twenty nineteen.  

[02:35:48] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. That's weird.  

[02:35:49] Bryan Goodwin:

So, yeah, apparently, they didn't make it through. So that's why No. No one could take out turn their freaking trucks.   Well, no. Had a little had a little bitty chain steering wheel.  

[02:36:03] Rich Chelson:

But no. That would have been cool.  

[02:36:05] Duuude-Ron :

No. No. It was not. It was odd. It was very odd. And and went on the road test with the dude,   and, I'm sitting here. It's like, how the fuck am I gonna   turn? You know? Because   I had just gotten out of school,   used to them, you know, these big steering wheels,   and then Right. Got this little 10 inch or 12 inch steering wheel. I'm like I'm like, you know, feeling like I'm in a fucking go kart.   Fucking Mario kart   supersized.   And,   you know, I'm sitting here. God, this is weird. And we get back from our   road test   and,   dude given the road test, safety guy, I think. He's, like,   back it in that spot.  

He told me to. Right?   Well, I I roll up.   I do like I was taught.   Well, I rolled up,   and even though I knew where I was at   to the cars that that I was near   that were in front of me, I knew I knew all the limits of this truck.   I'd been driving them for the past eight weeks. Okay? Right. So I knew I knew how to set up, and I knew how close I could get   because I had a hood. It was a T 6 Kenworth I was driving. So okay.   And I got lined up, backed in, pulled up once, backed in,   and that old boy, oh, he flipped fucking shit   because he said I got too close to the cars.  



[02:37:43] Bryan Goodwin:

And so Did he hit it? No.   No. Exactly. And we're okay.  

[02:37:48] Duuude-Ron :

No. He said he said, we can't hire you.   You need to go back to,   the,   truck driving school and   take a day of backing   before we'll hire you.   Yeah. About that.   I never did. I'm like, fuck you, buddy.   I pulled up in this tight ass area   that that most of your normal drivers   wouldn't have been able to fucking do.  

[02:38:19] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.  

[02:38:20] Duuude-Ron :

And I pulled up safely, didn't hit nobody or or or no vehicles or nothing,   and backed in   backed in between two other trucks   and not hit nothing. And you wanna tell me I need a day of backing.   And then you say, what what was funny about the whole thing   is my buddy,   who I had met, you know, in school down there,   he said this himself. He said, dude, I'm not as good a backer as you are,   And they took me. I'm like, I know, dude. You know, I wasn't slamming him, but, I mean, we both knew   who the strongest   person to back in was.   Right. You know? And and everything,   you know, I would try and help him, you know, where I could and stuff like that. But yeah. No. Just because   I pulled up   and backed in and   and didn't and I even got out and looked.  

I got out and did a walk around and looked. This old boy flipped shit   because   he thought I got too close to the cars. I'm like, yeah. Fuck you, buddy.   So   I moved back there.  

[02:39:37] Rich Chelson:

Did that safety guy even have a CDO?  

[02:39:42] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. He did.  

[02:39:43] Rich Chelson:

Oh, okay.  

[02:39:44] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   Well,   well, that,   he might have had a chauffeur's license   back at that time because that was 1991.   And,   the CDL wasn't due to actually come into effect fully until '92.   So   but, yes, he was licensed to drive a big rig.   Oh, okay.   So   but, yeah, that guy that guy did that, and I'm like, yeah. Screw you. I went and found a I went and found a straight truck job,   wound up moving back to Colorado, and,   started driving for Monfort Transportation.  

[02:40:33] Rich Chelson:

There you go.   And  

[02:40:36] Duuude-Ron :

then   I   became  

[02:40:41] Rich Chelson:

an   even   bigger   asshole.   So  

[02:40:50] Duuude-Ron :

that is crazy, man.   Zero transportation.   Yep. That was that was her.   Yeah. I don't know   I don't know how long they were in business.   Yeah. No. They're   they're not even   no. They are they are totally out of business. Okay.   Wow.   We got quiet.  

[02:41:34] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, I was thinking   I'm thing I was kinda thinking of was,   about   three weeks ago.   Now we've done a couple episodes.   And, we talked about doing   the wrong tip of the week,   and then we   never did it again.  

[02:41:58] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   you know our memories is longer than our peckers, so you have to keep reminding us. Well, yeah.  

[02:42:07] Bryan Goodwin:

But at the same time,   I just happen to   what? So, Rob, do you buy if I'm gonna put you on the spot, do you happen to have a tip of the week for us?  

[02:42:28] Rich Chelson:

Yes.   If you are   the driver of a car or pickup,   we call them four wheelers,   Give   truck drivers   a little bit of respect   when you go to pull in front of them.   You know, don't just   cut them off.   Give them a little bit of room   before you merge in front of them   because   they are not able to stop on a dime. It takes, like I said before,   a bucks a buck 75 or maybe 2 and a quarter   to stop that rig   that   the average individual   does not have to even worry about in a car.   Right.   So   tip of the week is,   you know, you get in front of a big rig or get around a big rig, you know, give them just a little bit of respect.  

[02:43:34] Bryan Goodwin:

Leave some room   for navigation.  

[02:43:40] Rich Chelson:

Yep. Stay out of the blind spots.  

[02:43:46] Bryan Goodwin:

You could see us. We're right there beside you.  

[02:43:50] Rich Chelson:

Yep.  

[02:43:52] Bryan Goodwin:

What? You can't see us when we're in front  

[02:43:54] Rich Chelson:

of   your  

[02:43:57] Bryan Goodwin:

car?   Famously   seeing videos of truck drivers going down the road and some   dinky four wheeler over trying to do a it was that low ground, small a little small car   over on the passenger side, tried to merge, didn't quite get far enough ahead,   and truck driver just pushed them down the road   sideways. Yep.  

[02:44:22] Rich Chelson:

I had a car do that to me the other day.   He gave he had me   less he cut me off with less than a tenth of a second   distance between bumpers.  

[02:44:40] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.   And you got dinged for it. I'm sure.  

[02:44:45] Rich Chelson:

No. Actually, I didn't because I didn't press on I didn't hit the brakes.  

[02:44:50] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, so you figured out how to work that work that camera. It's like, alright. We can stop hard, but don't let it push you back. You know?  

[02:45:00] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. As a matter of fact, the   the semi that cut me off   over,   coming out of Lowe's Uh-huh. Where I had to hit the brakes somewhat hardens,   hit the   air horn.   I I guess that one didn't get triggered.   Like, okay.   So that thing.  

[02:45:22] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, that's one of the things that I I I do know is   your   if you do a hard stop, but you can let off the brake enough to where you you don't have that where you you   run you ran back into the back of the seat.   You know, it may push you forward. You may lean forward a little bit, but if you can let off the brake to where you to where you don't slam into the back of the seat when you stop,   most of the time, they won't count that as a hard stop.   The the,   the sensors   take it as whenever it swings forward, and then it cut and it slams back into the back again.   So if you're able to stop hard, but then let off the brake   And so you you're just kinda eased into, into a stop.  

You're you're you're you're golden.  

[02:46:18] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Our cameras have   an incense   gyroscope.   Uh-huh.   So it's not the coming back into your seat,   but it is   the hard stop. And if you stop too hard,   it   activates the gyro   and goes back,   what is it, eight seconds   of recorded video from that instant when you hit the,   the brakes and then eight seconds afterwards.  

[02:46:56] Bryan Goodwin:

Okay.  

[02:46:58] Rich Chelson:

And that's what gets sent to my boss and the safety department and   everybody else and their brother   that you   know, that's within that my chain of command that sees that video,   but that's my particular truck.  

[02:47:19] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.  

[02:47:20] Duuude-Ron :

So That's probably that's probably all your trucks in your fleet.  

[02:47:27] Rich Chelson:

I'm sure it is.   But how sensitive that that gyroscope is from,   you know,   camera to camera to camera, I'm sure they're pretty, you know,   pretty well set the same.  

[02:47:45] Duuude-Ron :

If they weren't, that'd be a manufacturing   problem.  

[02:47:51] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   But, yeah, that car cut me off the other day   less than a tenth of a second   in front of me.  

[02:48:07] Bryan Goodwin:

And That's a little close right there.  

[02:48:10] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. And I almost sideswiped   the front of my or the bumper of my truck   moving over.   I'm like, you are a fucking moron.   So I just   got off the gas.   Didn't even really have I didn't get on the brake   because by the time he did that, then he was getting over into   the right lane   to get to an off ramp   that   yeah. You know, he should have thought about moving over to the right about a mile back   instead of cutting   instead of cutting everybody off to get to the off ramp.   But,   again,   can't fix stupid.   You can beat the hell out of it, and you can medicate it,   but it still ain't gonna get fixed.  



[02:49:07] Bryan Goodwin:

Nope.  

[02:49:14] Rich Chelson:

So, yes, Rich,   I am getting a little bit better   at my   agitated   mannerisms   of people   cutting me off or, you know, doing   55 and a 75   when I'm able to go 65.  

[02:49:42] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[02:49:43] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. I've calmed I've calmed down just a little bit.  

[02:49:47] Duuude-Ron :

Well, that's that's cool. That's cool. Because   yeah. It it's I'm I mean,   took me a long time to   calm down from   something like that. It's just   I mean, you're just   hurting yourself,   you know, stressing yourself out.  

[02:50:08] Rich Chelson:

Yep. Same way with worrying about,   you know, other drivers   within   my plant. You know?   I see them doing stuff, and I just shake my head. It's like and and   asking myself, why are they doing like that when   that ain't the way it's supposed to be done? I'm like, I don't even look at it anymore because it's like, well, I guess when they get caught, they'll have to answer for their consequences.   Yeah. Or if you don't wanna do the right thing,   you know what? I'm no longer concerned about it because   if I say something, they're just gonna go like, yeah. Okay. Whatever.   And I've just wasted my breath.  

So I'm like, you know what?   They know the difference between   right and wrong.   And if they don't care to do the right thing,   you know, that's gonna be on them.  

[02:51:06] Bryan Goodwin:

Right?  

[02:51:08] Duuude-Ron :

That's that's exactly right, dude.  

[02:51:18] Rich Chelson:

So, yeah, it's kind of, you know,   answer the question of why am I even getting upset of something that I have.   No control   over. Yeah.   So I'm working on it.  

[02:51:40] Duuude-Ron :

Well, that's cool, man.   That is   that is cool. Because, yeah, once once you get to the point to where   you're just like   well, you don't wind up being like me. You just gonna be like, yeah. It's all good.   You know?   It's just like whatever.  

[02:52:02] Rich Chelson:

But I also add in the I also add in the comment for myself.   Boy, I wish there was a cop sitting right about here right about now to have instant karma.  

[02:52:13] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right. Yeah.   Well, that's fine. I mean, I I do that still to this day. You know, I see people do stupid shit and it's like, damn. Where's a cop when you need one, man?  

[02:52:26] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[02:52:27] Duuude-Ron :

You know? It's like it's like, alright. Whatever.   You know? And I just I just keep I just keep rolling on.   But, you know, half the time, I don't I don't even pay attention too much to other people   because, you know, I've I've watched of of all the people I've watched,   pretty much everybody   just looks straight ahead.   They don't look left, right, nothing. They just look straight ahead. They don't   no one enjoys   driving.   They just do it. It's it's like it's like it's   it's a freaking requirement,   which, I mean, it is to get anywhere.   You know?  

Yeah.   But no one no one enjoys   the journey.  

[02:53:17] Rich Chelson:

Nope.   It's all about   how can I get from point a   to point b   the absolute fastest?  

[02:53:27] Duuude-Ron :

Yep.   Say it again. Even  

[02:53:31] Rich Chelson:

though you really don't wanna go   to point b,   You know?   But it's how to get there the fastest.  

[02:53:42] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Well, I'm I mean, you know, that's the thing.   When you go to work in the morning,   watch other people going to work. They're doing a hundred mile an hour to get to work, and then they're doing a hundred mile an hour to get home.  

[02:53:54] Rich Chelson:

It's like,  

[02:53:55] Duuude-Ron :

what the hell? Why are you in such a I mean, I could see doing a hundred mile an hour to get home. I mean, it's not safe, but I could see doing a hundred mile an hour to get home. But why are you doing a hundred mile an hour to get to work?  

[02:54:09] Rich Chelson:

Because they don't know how to backwards plan their time   to to make sure that they're not late.  

[02:54:16] Duuude-Ron :

This is true.  

[02:54:17] Rich Chelson:

You know? And like I said, doing a hundred miles an hour to get to work is like, you enjoy work that much? No. Then they're doing then they're doing a hundred miles an hour to get back to the house. Do you enjoy the house that much? No.   Well, then why are you doing it?   Ex exactly.   Why are you doing a hundred miles an hour to get such a place that you don't wanna be anyways?  

[02:54:40] Duuude-Ron :

I mean, jobs I hated, I would go as slow as I possibly freaking could.   Now now I left with more than enough time,   you know, to to, to arrive at work, you know, before   I had to be there, but I took my time getting to work because I didn't wanna go.  

[02:54:59] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[02:55:00] Duuude-Ron :

You know? And going home, man,   I didn't run like everybody else because   they just would've pissed me off. I'd just be like, you know what? I get home when I get home. I don't care.  

[02:55:16] Rich Chelson:

So Yeah. Yes.   Oh, well.  

[02:55:24] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, damn, it's looking about that time. Yeah. It's getting about that point in time. So, guys, I wanna go ahead and say thank you very much for all   of the good times, the fun times, and the, and interesting,   conversations that you were able to come in and listen tos and appreciate all that y'all have done and and been able to,   to to help us with. If you are   this show runs a a on the value for value system, which means if you found any value, then give some value. How you give that value is completely up to you. So that's why we don't say, hey. Just give us,   x amount of dollars because   you may find that we're not worth x amount of dollars, or you may find that we're worth, you know, four times that amount.  

So we are a, like I said, a value for value. If you are   a   you like what we're doing with the show and you wanna be able to help us in,   in some way other than a monetary form, then you can always give time or talent.   Time just giving us,   going through maybe   doing the, the doing all the chapter   and and and stuff. Setting setting up and dividing out the chapter, different chapters for the, for the show, that might be what you do,   as means of donating for time. Or you may donate, talent. So maybe you're good at, graphic design or good at, being a webmaster or something like that. That might be something that you can do. Or if you also   have the ability to, you could also donate,   by Treasure because we use   podcasting two point o standards, which are means that   if you're using a podcast two point o compliant modern podcasting app, which you can get by going to modern,   going to,   what is it? Podcastingapps.com,   I believe, is what it's called.  

And   so well, hell, let's look here real quick. I think it's called podcasting apps or new podcasting apps. Might be my name. No. I think it's podcasting apps.  

[02:57:35] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Don't get me to lie to you.  

[02:57:39] Bryan Goodwin:

No. New podcastingapps.com   works.   That actually will take you over to Podcast Index, and there they have got a list of all the different types of podcasting apps out there.   Then these are the apps that,   from host to,   to actual listening apps. And so you can actually go through   and choose which,   which platform you're on, whether it's iPhone or Android.   And you can, find a a modern podcasting app that works works the best for you. I personally I like Podcast Guru. That's kind of the one I listen to   and and stuff. But on all these podcasting apps, there is a ability   to hit,   support this show somewhere on on that app. And you can then hit that, and it'll take you over to the, PayPal site. And there, you can give,   however much you wanna wanna give, and you can give a onetime donation or reoccurring,   donation at whatever reoccurring time you wanna be wanna be able to re reoccur it.  

So anyhow, there's so many different ways that you can help us, and we're just here wanting to show you guys exactly how   we we, as a as three friends, like to hang around. This is what, this is what we do. May not be the most exciting show on the planet, but   still, it gives us an excuse to sit around and just bullshit for a while. So and that's that's what we do. We like to sit around. We like to talk about what's going on, what bothers us, what,   what,   is is the, topics of the day. Sometimes we talk about,   funny stuff, sometimes talk about weird stuff, sometimes talk about stuff that just pisses us right the hell off. So it's all just completely,   contingent upon what the day is and what we've decided to talk about. And on top of that, we always if you noticed, if you're on a podcasting two point o app also, is that we do it live.  

We can we live live stream this show every, every Thursday from, from seven to ten. So you get to come in. You can listen in live and   and,   make comments to us. You can send us an email   at at over at, Circlecast   Gmail dot com, or you can send one over to [email protected].   And,   we'll respond to those, those emails. We'll talk we'll bring bring you into the,   your your thoughts, your comments, your questions, your ideas, or whatever into the show, and we'll discuss them live   as, as we, as we notice them. So but anyhow, guys, with that, I wanna say thanks again for, listening. And, Rich, what do you got for the evening?  

[03:00:17] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, well, just,   yeah. I wanna thank everybody for listening and keep coming back. And,   I think maybe we're getting popular again because numbers   are starting to get back. Once more? Yes. Yes. It is. So so, yes, it's a good thing.   And,   yeah, and just, you know,   sharing this out with your friends. Because like like Brian said, sometimes we talk about serious stuff or funny stuff or weird stuff. And and   we're doing this to just   show you that it's okay to do this.   You know, a lot of people,   you know,   you know, act like, oh, no. Oh, no. We can't do this. You you know, we can't say this. We can't say this, and that's wrong.   You can.  

You're allowed. There's no law against it. So   do you,   you know,   fly your freak flag?   That might be taken the wrong way. Just I just thought of that after I said it. But anyway let your freak flag fly.   Right. I do. I mean   I mean, anybody who's been listening to this podcast since last April   knows that I fly my freak flag regularly.   But, anyway,   it's just that's the thing. You know? Just have fun.   And it's and, you know, get a few of your friends not saying you have to podcast because, oh my gosh, if your friends are like, dude,   yeah, trying to explain how to podcast to them would be, yeah, it would be easier to pull teeth.  

A dentist, a trip to the dentist would be a lot more pleasurable.   Love you, dude.  

[03:02:05] Rich Chelson:

Absolutely. Nothing but love.  

[03:02:07] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right. But but, anyway, I just,   you know, just just reach out, share it out,   and come back and listen. And if you have any questions,   ideas for our topics or or stuff you wanna hear   our opinions on, because we   we do will and will   give freely   give our opinions. We won't charge a cent for that.   We will give our opinions. It might not be what you wanna hear,   but we will give our opinions. So if you,   you know, if if if that's what you're inclined to do, then please send an email to [email protected].   Or you can send one to me if if you really must   at [email protected],   but now really send it to Brian.  

And dude and and   if you wanna hear from the dude and hear his infinite wisdom,   send it to either one of us, [email protected]   or myself, [email protected].   And we will get the question over to the dude, and we will get his   timeless   and inspirational   wisdom   on your question.   That would be awesome. So other than that, that's all I have.   Y'all have a good week, and,   you know, come back and listen.   Dude, what you got, man?  

[03:03:38] Rich Chelson:

Well, this time, I will not give you a long blink like I did last week,   and you guys are like,   guess that guy's the well, he's fucking out. Yeah. I had a long I had a long blink. So,   yes, we the three of us enjoy.  

[03:04:00] Bryan Goodwin:

I forgot about that.   Yeah. I was like, oh, I'm looking oh, yeah. He fell asleep.   Yeah.  

[03:04:09] Rich Chelson:

No. I did not fall asleep.   I had a long   blink.   Okay. Fran, it was say you wanna look at that. For about ten minutes, but it was a long blink. I didn't fall asleep.  

[03:04:21] Bryan Goodwin:

So you can't give me that. Yeah. I was just funny because you were talking talking talking, and then we were doing talk doing our thing and playing. So what do you say, dude?  

[03:04:31] Duuude-Ron :

No.   Nothing.   Nothing.  

[03:04:35] Bryan Goodwin:

His meds kicked in. That's what happened.  

[03:04:38] Rich Chelson:

That's what happened. So   the three of us definitely enjoy the first amendment,   freedom of speech,   and we enjoy the second amendment.  

[03:04:48] Duuude-Ron :

Yes.  

[03:04:50] Rich Chelson:

Very nice. The free freedom of,   you know, carrying a weapon, having a weapon.   But, you know, it's   yeah. We go through and   go through a lot of rabbit holes, and we'll change subjects on a freaking   drop of a hat, which I did a couple of times tonight.   You know? So   our conversations,   you know, can go   in any direction,   up, down,   completely sideways   at any point in time.   So that's just the way   we like to talk.   And,   you know,   and as far   as the way we talk at each other, you know, I can throw   a lot of love to Rich, and he'll throw love right back to me. And, you know,   we're not gonna get our feelings   hurt,   you know, between Right. Us because   we don't do it maliciously.  

But, again, it was nice having everybody,   listen to the podcast tonight that is out there. And, again, if you enjoy it, please,   reach out and,   you know,   what Brian said, time,   talent, or treasure,   would be most welcome.   And even if you want to engage in the conversation   by   emailing us and yeah. We've had a couple people that have emailed us and, you know, they got right into the conversation. So, you know, I can't remember. I think I hurt   somebody's feelings with the Crocs, but, you know,   I'm a Crocs guy.   I'm not a I'm not a dude's dude.   I'm a Crocs dude.  

So Dude. Enjoy enjoy   having y'all for,   for an audience tonight. Thank you very much.  

[03:06:51] Bryan Goodwin:

Alright, guys. Well, y'all take care,   dude, Rich. Appreciate y'all coming on again, and we will see y'all next week. Till then. Bye.  

[03:07:01] Duuude-Ron :

Later.  

[03:07:03] Bryan Goodwin:

Peace out.   Alright, guys. We'll catch y'all next week. Alright. See you later.  

[03:07:08] Rich Chelson:

Alright. Bye. Bye.