Two Grumpy Vets and a Duuude

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Welcome to another episode of '2 Grumpy Vets and a Dude,' where Brian, Rich, and the Dude gather to share their unique perspectives on life, humor, and social commentary. This week, the conversation kicks off with a humorous take on environmentalists and weather patterns, leading to a discussion about personal experiences and daily life challenges. Rich shares his adventures in attic cleaning and Jeep maintenance, while Brian talks about his ham radio activities and the peculiarities of signal reception. The Dude joins in later, bringing his thoughts on family dynamics and the importance of seizing the day.

The episode also delves into the world of video games, discussing the colossal failure of 'Concord' and the overly woke game 'Dustborn.' The hosts explore the reasons behind these flops and share their opinions on video games that prioritize ideology over storytelling. The conversation takes a philosophical turn as they discuss the importance of living life to the fullest, making the most of one's 'dash,' and the challenges of dealing with narcissistic personalities.

Join the hosts for a mix of humor, personal stories, and thought-provoking discussions that will leave you reflecting on your own life choices and the importance of living intentionally.

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[00:00:01] Bryan Goodwin:

Hey, man. Hello, and welcome to 2 grumpy vets and a dude. This is a show that each week allows for 3 friends to get together and live life intentionally.   We do this by throwing a little social commentary  

[00:00:14] Rich Chelson:

with our own weird sense of humor and our thoughts together   to show folks that we're living,   having weekly conversations   is a good way to help   each other out, help men become better men. And so now on with the show with  

[00:00:31] Bryan Goodwin:

Brian, Rich, and the dude.  

[00:00:35] Rich Chelson:

The environmentalists are all sorts of been out of shape about that.  

[00:00:38] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, I know.   Well, just you know, it's funny because what was it?   Last week was when they started talking about,   oh, we haven't seen no storms, no hurricanes. Oh my god. The world's come to an end.   You know? And then now now all of a sudden, there's 6 storms   that's all hit, you know, the Atlantic and the Gulf and all like that.   Oh my god. We got 6 storms. The world's coming to an end. Yeah. Basically is what it is. And then none of them have turned into a fucking hurricane.  

[00:01:14] Unknown:

Nope. It's  

[00:01:18] Duuude-Ron :

like, can y'all stop bitching?  

[00:01:20] Unknown:

No.  

[00:01:22] Duuude-Ron :

You know, it's like, oh my God, it doesn't do what you want. You bitch. It does what it want, what you want it to do. And you still bitch.  

[00:01:30] Unknown:

Yep.  

[00:01:30] Duuude-Ron :

I mean, good God, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.   Yeah. It just, I don't know. Yeah. It's crazy, man. It's like,   just   let the weather do   do it, you know?  

[00:01:45] Rich Chelson:

Let the weather be weather.  

[00:01:47] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Exactly.   No. No. Can't have that, can we?   Nope.   And I'm about freaking worn myself out again today. So  

[00:01:58] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah? What were you doing?  

[00:02:01] Duuude-Ron :

I looked up in my attic, you know, because the access is outside   in the carport.   And,   Oh, wow.   Yeah. Really?   Yeah.  

[00:02:12] Rich Chelson:

And, I mean So if so if somebody really, really wanted to get into your house, it'd be kinda easy.  

[00:02:19] Duuude-Ron :

Well, no. They could get up   in the top part of the house, but  

[00:02:24] Rich Chelson:

they could Well, then all they have to do is just stomp on the on the drywall and come through.  

[00:02:29] Duuude-Ron :

You know, honestly, I don't know because,   this house on the roof,   you know how most roofs, you know, have the trusses. Right? And then it's,   sheets of plywood. Right?   Uh-huh. Not my house.   There's no plywood on it. It's,   wood slats.   Real wood.   That's the old school roof that is that is underneath the tent.  

[00:02:55] Rich Chelson:

Okay. But I mean, between   but   when you're up in your attic   where the insulation is at,   you've got just the drywall for your ceiling.  

[00:03:07] Duuude-Ron :

Probably. I'm not sure. I didn't I didn't freaking crawl up on   onto the outside. I've I've got enough of space storage space up   on the carport side.   Uh-huh.   I don't ever have to   get all the way up in there.  

[00:03:24] Rich Chelson:

Oh.  

[00:03:25] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah. No. I've got I've got a buttload.   So   but, yeah, I did that and cleaned on my Jeep today on the inside finally.   Got   got some of that, Oklahoma mud that was from July   and, freaking melted   again.   Oh yeah. It was,   and it wasn't that hot, but it was it was humid.   Yep. And, oh, man. They just, yeah, it just melted.   Yeah.  

[00:03:57] Rich Chelson:

I I believe that.  

[00:03:58] Duuude-Ron :

We don't sweat down here. We melt.  

[00:04:01] Unknown:

Yep.  

[00:04:02] Duuude-Ron :

So  

[00:04:03] Rich Chelson:

Oh, that's the reason why   Houston has such high humidity.  

[00:04:07] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:04:09] Rich Chelson:

Because if, if they didn't, people would be bursting into flames.  

[00:04:15] Duuude-Ron :

So, yeah, I got yeah. I did all that,   and I was like, yep. That's it.   I'm done.   Took shower and   just chilled out and really   tried   really relax.   Okay. I'm freaking back on my pain meds, which is good.   I'm very fucking happy about that.   Yeah. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not looking forward to the reschedule.  

[00:04:42] Rich Chelson:

So I wonder where Mr. Braun is hiding at.  

[00:04:46] Duuude-Ron :

Lord only   knows.   Lord only knows. I don't know.   I,   honestly, I have not heard from him today   because sometimes he'll just send,   you know, like a  

[00:05:00] Rich Chelson:

Random meme.  

[00:05:02] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   And everything. But, yeah, I haven't seen nothing from him today.   Yeah. Yeah. I made some, shrimp and garlic butter last night.   Oh, yeah? And how'd that go? Oh, that was good. Oh, yeah.   And then,   I, cooked the corned beef,   and cabbage,   corned beef and cabbage in in my Instapot tonight.   Well   So so, yeah, I   I've been kinda active.   Yeah. And still,   I'm still   getting up   about   between   5:45   and 6 o'clock,   and I'm not trying.   I'm I'm I promise you I'm not trying. It did feel good sleeping on them new sheets last night.  

[00:05:55] Rich Chelson:

I don't I it's amazing what clean sheets do for you. Well, I I wash my sheets. I don't waste Well, I mean, I know I know you clean them, but I mean, but   but sleeping on new clean sheets. Well, true. Yeah. I just I always just call them. All all sheets are clean whenever they first come out of the package. So  

[00:06:14] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   But yeah. No. That was that was actually kinda nice.   I mean, it it was it's a little different, but it was cool.   Oh, and I did and I did chunk my pillar.  

[00:06:30] Rich Chelson:

I chunky.   But No girlfriends for you.  

[00:06:36] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. But then but then I went and picked it up because I couldn't leave it on the floor. Oh, oh, oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You're getting   But I did chunk it.  

[00:06:48] Rich Chelson:

I did. I did do that.   Mistreating the pillow?  

[00:06:53] Duuude-Ron :

By god.   Yeah. Really. I   I really haven't done too much. I have played   played ham radio.  

[00:07:02] Rich Chelson:

Okay.  

[00:07:03] Unknown:

So  

[00:07:06] Duuude-Ron :

that was fun. In fact, I didn't do that until   I started it was about 5 o'clock, I guess, when I said, yeah. I'll go I'll go jump on the radio.   It was it was actually very productive.   I couldn't it was funny because signals are running weird. I couldn't I couldn't really,   talk to anyone in the states.   Oh, really? Yeah. They were hearing. So   I was talking to everyone outside of the United States.   Okay.   I don't care.   I'll talk to you.  

[00:07:41] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. And then you only had Texas being able to talk to Venezuela.   Louisiana was talking to to Switzerland   only, and,   Maine was talking to talking to France. And  

[00:07:53] Duuude-Ron :

That I I mean, that's that's very possible. I mean, I did hear 1 or 2,   stations here,   in America, but not not as many as I normally do.  

[00:08:04] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:08:05] Duuude-Ron :

I think it's the weather. It's got got the signals. I mean, I don't care because   I like making DX contacts.   It's it's,   you know,   cause it's like,   you know, I talked to an old boy from,   from the Netherlands,   Italy,   two people in Brazil,   Martinique,   the Canary Islands.   God. Where else? The Virgin Islands.   And a few others. I can't I can't think of them, off top of my head. But,   yeah, those ones that that, you know, I just talked to today. London, I got I   talked to an old boy in London today,   So that was Okay. So  

[00:08:53] Rich Chelson:

been a been neat to be able to see if he could get him talk   talk about how the,   what his views of the politics and stuff were.   I'm sure if they if he did, they'd probably go on ahead and send the   send the police after him and get him arrested.  

[00:09:08] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   But yeah. No. That's,   well, in the the, guy in London,   his signal there I mean, there was,   you know,   some of the other guys I could talk to really well, but London,   I could talk to him,   but   I could hear him starting out and then he'd fade out. Signal would fade out and fade back in and fade out. So I couldn't catch everything he was saying.  

[00:09:36] Rich Chelson:

Wow. He was trashing he was trashing the motherland and they were blocking him.  

[00:09:42] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Okay.  

[00:09:45] Unknown:

I'm good with that.  

[00:09:47] Duuude-Ron :

But, yeah, I mean, I mean, we,   you know, chit chatted for a minute for, you know, as long as we could   and everything.   I think I think he was just running a 100 Watts.   He wasn't running power. He was, you know, running the same wattage I was.   And I'm waiting to get notified of   when it's my turn to buy a hex beam   because that that'll really step my game up. Oh, yeah. That'll really step my game up.  

[00:10:21] Rich Chelson:

I believe that.  

[00:10:22] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I I mean, you know, I've read the specs and all like this, talked to other people, and I still hear people on the radio.   They're saying,   you know, they have friends that, that,   you know, they're amazed at these hex beams, what they do and the signals they get and all like this. And it's like, bye.   Let me know I can get one.   I mean, I can get one right now. I can get one for, like, 660 right now.   Okay? But   reason why I'm waiting for this other one   through this other company,   they've gone through and made it easy to easy to assemble,   and it comes with the mast and tripod   combo with it   to start out with. And then and then I can get a tower, save my pennies   for getting a tower and then put it up, you know, 20, 30 feet.  

Okay.   Because because when I put it, see, when it's on the tripod and the mast,   I'm gonna have to manually rotate it.   Okay. But   when I put it up on the tower,   I'm a put a rotor   up there, and I'm a push a button from in here,   and I'm gonna rotate that sucker  

[00:11:35] Rich Chelson:

from in here. Well, I was gonna say it   sounds like sounds like the need for a little,   a little a little,   little motor and a and,   and some sprockets   and   and a chain drive and just  

[00:11:52] Duuude-Ron :

They've got them, but it is now done by mostly by electronics.   But the main part of the rotor still has the gears and all like that in it. Oh, okay.   Yeah. Yeah. No. It's it's I've I've looked at them because because, once I get the antenna,   well, I might spend money and buy a tower,   and then I might have to buy the rotor and all like that. The rotor's gonna run me about $350.   The tower,   probably   well, if I find it right,   hopefully less than a1000.  

[00:12:27] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:12:28] Rich Chelson:

But And then all you have to do is come up with about $50 a week so that you hire some little some little neighborhood kid to go, hey.   Tell my rotor,   my rotor comes in. Hey, kid. Need you to go out. Start turning the, turning the mast. Keep turning. Keep going. Oh, you went too far back the other way. Just about there we go. Hold it. Hold it. There we go. Okay. We're good. Thanks a lot.  

[00:12:52] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Climb down for a minute. I'll change after a while.  

[00:12:58] Rich Chelson:

Send you an email.  

[00:13:00] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   Yeah. No. That's,   yeah. I don't know. I mean I mean I mean,   I'll probably use a mask and tripod system for,   you know, a little bit because I mean,   you know, what I, you know, what I plan to do,   you know, right now when I, you know, don't have a tower or the rotor,   I'll just point it in one direction. I'll work all the in station.   And then like the next day or 2 days or a week later, I'll go out and I'll move it a little bit, and I'll work them. I'll work them when I can get there. And I'll just slowly work it around a circle.  

[00:13:35] Unknown:

You know?  

[00:13:38] Rich Chelson:

And and Eventually, you figure out it takes it takes a month and a half to make a full 360,   So you get to talk to somebody. Alright. I'll see you here in about another 30 days.  

[00:13:48] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right.   But yeah. No. Wait.   And you see, that's the thing. That's   that's the only drawback with that, you know, is,   you know, you   so so you can't put it on a,   rotor or nothing. So  

[00:14:05] Rich Chelson:

but Why can't you not?   Because So why not?  

[00:14:12] Duuude-Ron :

Well, no. Well, hang on.   Let me look at it so   I'm not   talking   out my ass   because I think the, mast and the tripod   k. That's just the antenna.   Yeah. See, and the slight weight too, it's only, like, 9 and a half pounds.   I might be able to do something with that because the mast is made from, aluminum.  

[00:14:40] Rich Chelson:

No. I mean, I can understand maybe if the,   if where the cable   plugs into the mast,   that it may you know, if you're trying to spin it too much or something, that it may end up getting wrapped around the around the mast pole itself. And I can get that, but unless the,   unless the plug,   for the, the cable is, like, at the bottom, and then   wouldn't hurt to just have something like a like a a swivel connection.  

[00:15:09] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Well, see, that's the thing with these antennas.   When you run up the, coax,   make, like, a half loop towards the top by the end of the So so when you do spin it, it doesn't rotate and, you know, pull against it.  

[00:15:25] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. That that that it's we call them we always heard them called safety loops. You make a make a loop so that if   for whatever reasons, it gets jerked on,   it's got enough slack   in there that it's not going to pull the wires loose, so to speak. It'll   it'll yeah. You may you may move the cable a little bit, but you're not going to, you're not   gonna cause you're not gonna jerk the cable out of the, out of the connector.  

[00:15:54] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right.   Yeah. No. That's,   Yeah. No. That's that's why that's why they,   that's why they set them up like that.   So,   you know, yeah, like you said, if if, you know, wind kicks up in a,   you know, Jersey, it doesn't yank everything out. You know?  

[00:16:14] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[00:16:15] Duuude-Ron :

That's why that's why I'm waiting for this because, you know, the setup is real easy and,   you know, I mean, I'm a get it with   a tripod and a mask.   I figured I'd start with that and then,   you know, go upgrading   as I can.  

[00:16:34] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[00:16:35] Duuude-Ron :

You know? Because yeah. I've heard yeah. These things get, like,   I don't know, 3 to 4 DB of gain, man. So   my 100 watts   would sound like 400 watts.   Well, there you go. Yeah. I mean, it it just, it yeah. It's just,   yeah. It's just freaking astronomical   what it does.   And that's why these are so you know, people want a lot. Well,   you know, a lot of people have them.   But   but yeah. And and and everyone that I've I've,   heard or talked to about it, yeah, they Uh-huh.   They freaking swear by it.  

[00:17:21] Unknown:

Oh, okay.  

[00:17:23] Duuude-Ron :

I mean, they swear. They're like, get you 1.   Don't play around. Get you one. You want one.   And it's like, good lord. Calm down. No. Get one now.  

[00:17:36] Unknown:

Come on. No. No.  

[00:17:38] Duuude-Ron :

So so, yeah, I got put on the,   the the wait list   because they're 60 days out minimum.   Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. They're   they're they're that popular, they can't keep them in stock.  

[00:17:54] Unknown:

Ah.  

[00:17:55] Duuude-Ron :

So,   so that's why they say, send us an email and we'll let you know when,   when we're,  

[00:18:03] Rich Chelson:

ready for it. When we're cutting another line.   So.   Right.   So yeah. I'll have to see where old where do tide nap because   usually he's poking his head in about 30 minutes or at least lets us know that he's running behind.   Right.   So,   but,   yeah, so   I'm   stuck. I've been trying to fight and fight back a cop, and   it was no. We're we're we're leaving forcefully.   So   bam. Alright. So, well, what was happening while I was getting a a little bit of a late start? I'll I'll try to protect the maims to protect the guilty   and all that stuff, but I got a question for you. Alright.   Alright. Now   if you have   somebody who's   got a child,   and   child's young,   about supposed   matter of fact, around   around the age of about 5 years old.  

Old enough to be going to kindergarten.  

[00:19:08] Duuude-Ron :

Mhmm.  

[00:19:10] Rich Chelson:

But not putting them in kindergarten.   What do you think of that?  

[00:19:15] Duuude-Ron :

Well, I would think   why?   For 1, I mean, why? Because,   you know, kids need foundations for everything.   Right.   Parents can only afford so much because parents have to work. They have to deal with life.   So this is why we send our kids to school   to,   you know, help them along their journey. And then   we're we're supposed to help the kids while they're going through school.   So   my first question would be,   why in the middle are are you,   you know, there is is is a child not going to school?  

[00:19:54] Rich Chelson:

Because mom just doesn't care   is what my, what my observation is. That's the thought I have about the whole thing   is that mom doesn't give a shit.   Grandma does.  

[00:20:07] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:20:08] Rich Chelson:

And, but mom herself   doesn't give a shit. Mom is too busy   doing her own dumb stupid shit. She go she goes out or or doesn't go out, but she stays up until, like, 2, 3 o'clock in the morning,   and then   comes home, sleeps until   3, 4 o'clock in the afternoon,   and then gets up, rinse, and repeats.  

[00:20:33] Duuude-Ron :

What about a job?  

[00:20:35] Rich Chelson:

Oh, no. No. No. I mean, who who wants a job? I mean, come on. That that means responsibilities   and stuff. We don't do that.  

[00:20:43] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right.   So   yeah. See, that's that's,   that's that's actually   hurting the child.  

[00:20:52] Rich Chelson:

Oh, no. I and I agree with you on that. But the issue that we that I run into   is well,   first off,   with my background and what I've been through,   one thing I I don't care,   short of   the   child's life actually   being in   mortal danger.  

[00:21:16] Duuude-Ron :

Mhmm.  

[00:21:17] Rich Chelson:

Not gonna call DHS.   Right.   Because   one,   they   one, DHS doesn't play fair. They don't play by the their own rules. They will they will tell you you have to operate within this set,   and then they operate in a completely different set. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. I know that. And and I mean, hell, I've got there's,   lot of videos   on on, online where they're talking about how,   well, there's a one where judge is reprimanding   a   a lawyer   for   child protective services,   and he's reprimanding them because   the lawyer was trying to state the case as to why they need to lie,   in court.  

Mhmm.   But   so when it comes to, when it comes to the,   to   DHS,   I no. I wouldn't call. But the fact that this kid is   5 years old,   if,   I almost I, if I knew where   they lived,   I would have no problem at least calling truance officers on.  

[00:22:32] Unknown:

Right.  

[00:22:33] Rich Chelson:

At least get   that section because,   one, mom   has a very good ability   to manipulate her way out of problems.  

[00:22:44] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[00:22:45] Rich Chelson:

Okay. I mean, she's,   she won. The house that she's living in   is and, again, fucking simps   do so much damage, and they don't even realize it. She   mom   had a short when I say a short, maybe like a month and a half fling with the dude that owns owns a house. Mhmm.   And   brought,   he within a week, he had invited her and, and her kids into the house, and there's more than 1 more than 1 child in the in the scenario,   and but one child is   3, I think is the youngest one's age. I think I'm pretty sure it's 3. So but anyhow, so   we have a 5 year old, a 3 year old, 2 separate dads,   and but,   so she was she was basically manipulated her way into this house. Mhmm.  

The guy who owns this, he now actually works out of state  

[00:23:48] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[00:23:51] Rich Chelson:

But continues to let her live in the house. They're they're they're not dating or anything. They're just he's he works in another state. She lives there. He actually there were one time,   let her,   gave her, the ability to use the car,   and, well, she trashed the car. She wrecked it. She got drunk, got, got into a wreck, ran it up ran it up at a, light pole and,   got a slap on the hand,   which, I mean, irritated me and my wife. We were, like, going, oh my god. Really? So Right. But but the thing is, I mean, why'd the guy do that?   Why'd the because he's a fucking simp.  



[00:24:30] Duuude-Ron :

Well, yeah, obviously.  

[00:24:32] Rich Chelson:

Oh, I You know, I'm And so I'm gonna try to try to do everything I can to see if I can get her to stay with me. And it's like, no, dude. You're you know? I I have the daughters of the day, but There is there is freaking many other women in this world.   Oh, yeah. And and I would if I ever saw him, I'd be telling him. I was like, dude, no. She's 1, she's using you. 2, she's bringing in,   you know, she's got a different guy there about it.   New guy will stay there for about 3 months, and then they get a new they have enough of her. I'm like, okay. Fuck this shit. And I'm out of here. I mean, she's out there. Now see, the thing is, though, is that,  

[00:25:11] Duuude-Ron :

now it might not happen this year.   Maybe   next year or the year after at the latest, I would say.   But when the state finds out this child is of school age   and not going to school,   child protective services will step in.  

[00:25:27] Rich Chelson:

Oh, I'm I'm sure of it. And child child protective services got   this close to to discovering it   because   somebody,   when the only thing we could figure is that somebody   she that mom pissed somebody off and Mhmm. It was one of those people that liked to use DHS   as a,   as a weapon.  

[00:25:50] Duuude-Ron :

Yes.  

[00:25:51] Rich Chelson:

And so she got really close, but,   but again, she the way she acted and way way I've heard it told, I'm, like, going, how did   she get away with this? Because apparently, what happened   is CPS lady comes,   social worker comes, walks up to the house, knocks on the door.   House is typically trashed.   They got a couple dogs. I think they're,   and   and there too, which, I mean,   should be a problem, but, it can be a problem if they're if they're not being taken care of properly and let outside, which, sadly, the from what I again, I've not ever   visibly seen the house or anything, so all this is just hearsay.  

Right. But,   but   they don't take care of the dogs, so the dogs kinda   found a little whatever place in the back to use that to relieve themselves to relieve themselves.   And so, yeah, they're trashing this dude's house, trash and not and not taking care of it.   She's got   another woman and her   kid,   living with her. And then, again, from time to time, there were there for a little while, for about 3, 4 months was,   some drunk dude who had,   whose car could only be started with, with   by blowing into a, blowing into a breathalyzer.   Nice. So he had to blow start it.  

And other, you know, had somebody who had, gotten out of jail recently for,   for assault.   Again, wonderful people here.   Wow.  

[00:27:33] Duuude-Ron :

So Tell her she's about the community.  

[00:27:36] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah. She's got she is, she she's bringing in a parade of, parade of losers, and not   the only thing that, we'd save for them is that they,   all at least apparently have have   have a, an assortment of personalities.   So   Oh, yeah. Other than that, I mean, if they do work, I don't I've not ever heard of one that actually does except for the guy who owns actually owns a house.   That's But she's been always this girl has always been able to manipulate her way into stuff. I mean, we'd go to,   go to, like, a craft fair.   Uh-huh. And,   her the the   the grandma   of the of the little girl, the 5 year old,   didn't wouldn't have the money to go off and buy things at this craft fair, but this girl can go around   and has picked up how to read people enough   that she can get them to feel sorry for her enough that she actually they'll they'll give her shit. So she'll come back and she'll have, you know, a $150   worth of crap   from a craft   fair   and never paid a dime. And Lexus,   my daughter, Lexus, knows this girl, and she's, like, going   she's not stealing because at first, you know, the first couple times,   the, the grandma was, like, going,   are you stealing this? And Alexis was, like, oh, no, she's not. They're just giving it to her. It's yeah. It's yeah. There and see and see, that's the thing.  



[00:29:14] Duuude-Ron :

That is, that is people you have to be very careful around everybody.   Because,   because   before you know it,   you gonna be handing over credit cards and, and everything. And, and, and you won't even think twice.   Right. I mean, you I I mean, people like that,   they're   you keep them at a arm's distance and run the other way if you see them. Yeah. Because they they are sneaky.  

[00:29:42] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. And a lot I mean, here recently, I mean, she well, not recently, but within the last   for the last   no. Well,   5.   Yeah. About the last 5, 6 years.   This, this girl has slowly   been burning   every bridge that she comes across.   Mhmm. Anybody that has given us the rat's ass about her,   tried standing up for   her to the point where eventually they're like going,   fine. Fuck you. I'm done with this. Mhmm. Have a good day. Good luck to you in life because you're gonna you're you're it's gonna eventually come along. It's gonna slap you.  

[00:30:26] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:30:27] Rich Chelson:

Slap you right across the face and is going to not be nice about it either.  

[00:30:33] Unknown:

Well, I'm not And  

[00:30:34] Rich Chelson:

Go ahead. Oh, I was gonna say, I was gonna say, and that   the last one came up here,   just, this last Labor Day weekend. Because in Oklahoma, there's a big rock festival called Rocklahoma.  

[00:30:48] Unknown:

Mhmm. And,  

[00:30:50] Rich Chelson:

this girl's   stepdad   or kinda watched after her for for a good portion of her life  

[00:30:57] Duuude-Ron :

Mhmm.  

[00:31:01] Rich Chelson:

Decided, hey.   Let's go ahead and I'm gonna take you over to to Rocklahoma. And   grandma was, like, going tell called up the guy and goes, you might wanna double check on some stuff because she claims this, this, this, and this.   And,   and so   and he's, like, going, well, I'll talk about it with her, whenever we,   whenever I'm with her, I'll and I'm just gonna go ahead. And I've already gotten the tickets and stuff to Rocklahoma, so we're just gonna go.   Apparently, she only lasted 24 hours with him and and he was like going, fuck you. I'm done with you. You get your ass to the house.   Right. And find a way. And she did. She found a way back to the house. She found some some random dude who just who decided to go from, I forget where Rocklahoma is. For some reason, I'm thinking it's around Tulsa area and took her all the way back down to,   down to South Central,   Oklahoma.  

Oh, you know. And so and   and I that's a you the the parent in me is, like, going, just some dude. You just met a dude, and he just happened to take dicing up to take you all the way down there.   And  

[00:32:06] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   and, yeah, we won't we won't expand on the thoughts on that.  

[00:32:10] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. But it's just   but the fact that and what's one of the main thing that really kinda got me going is because   as me and,   my wife were talking about it,   I kinda expressed   my thoughts and concerns about this whole sword affair, and it's basically that, sadly,   me and her and my wife, she took a took took an exception to it. And I get I get how why she took an exception to it, but I was like,   but because we haven't   actually done anything   about it, we've sat here, we bitched about it.   Mhmm. But because we are not willing to actually take a step towards it, I think we're being complicit with it.   The fact that we are perpetuating   the ignorance   the ignorance of a of a child,  

[00:33:00] Duuude-Ron :

we're just as guilty as this as the mom. Right. Okay. Hold on. Okay. With with that statement there,   this person we've been talking about,   Are they related to you in any way, shape, or form?  

[00:33:15] Rich Chelson:

No. No. Just, just to,  

[00:33:17] Duuude-Ron :

Well, then you you honestly   have no recourse as to what to do. Yes. It sucks. I agree with you. Okay. But but   what that person does with their life and their child's life, and again, I do not agree with what she's doing. I'm not saying I condone it in any way, shape, or form. Right. And if you ask me, yes,   something needs to be done, but   it doesn't affect the way you live. So therefore,   it's not your problem.  

[00:33:48] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:33:49] Rich Chelson:

So But but the reason why   nothing or the reason why we haven't been, haven't   pushed the matter harder, tried to, you know, hold this young lady,   you know, want so bad to to hold her in,   hold her responsible for the lame dumbass fucking decision she's done   is again because   of   what,   the grandma   is afraid of because   young the the 5 year old,   they're afraid that the 5 year old's going to start talking about stuff that's not actually appropriate to be talking about in school   and that she will end up getting plucked out of the, out of the household that way. And Oh, that's that's  

[00:34:44] Duuude-Ron :

that's very possible. Oh, yeah. That's very important. Is yeah. That is that is very possible. But see, that's the thing now. Again,   you see, and and I I I mean,   I I get what you're saying. I get where you're coming from, and I get your way of thinking. Okay?   Because   I've,   years ago, I've   thought about like this,   but still today, the woman who has a child is an adult.   Right?   Right.   He can't do anything about it, dude.   I mean, yes. And and yeah, it is, it is, it is a very good possibility.   The child will say something in school   and,   yeah, something will come down. The child child will get plucked away from the mother. And, apparently, if you ask me with what I've heard   okay. And and I understand it is hearsay   hearsay, but what I've heard,   the child needs to be pulled from the mother because the child No. I think I think both of them need to be pulled. Is is not is not being brought up   in a in a loving home.  

Right. You know, and all around And the thing the thing that they're Yeah. I mean, all or whatever.  

[00:35:51] Rich Chelson:

Right. But the thing and the thing that they're both worried about is, like, well, what if she gets put into a home where the abuse is worse?   It's like, yeah. There's that chance. And there's actually a slimmer chance that it's going to be that that's gonna happen   as opposed to she's going to anything else other than that   that house is going to find her find her in a better environment.   Right. Right. And you see this There is a chance. There's, you know, I would say roughly 1 third of of   of, and I kinda wish sometime we'd get,   get one of our, one of our,   vet for,   call   guys on here so that we could,   and get his, his thoughts because he went through the foster system.  

Right. And but it seems like it's about it's always seems to be about maybe a quarter   of of all the, of the foster systems   got somebody who is   using the foster system  

[00:36:54] Duuude-Ron :

as a means of income as opposed to taking care of the kids? Oh, yeah. No. No. And that's I you see, that's the thing, though. That's that's nothing earth shattering.   You know? I mean, I know it happened.   You know? And and I believe I believe the system   tries to limit that as much as possible.   You know? I mean Right. You know? I'm not saying that they're perfect or anything, but, you know,   whatever.   But you see, that's the thing. That's where you see, that's where you see. And this is what's hard is is   in in my eyes,   y'all had to step away from it and and let things roll how it rolls.  

And, you know, I mean, yes, it sucks.   And I, I mean, unless,   say, unless   y'all wanna be the ones that, that   call the authorities and   gets the ball rolling.   Right. Then   then that is your choice, but you are in certain yourself into those problems.   And,   you know, that's   that's the decision y'all have to make. Right. Okay. You know? And I I mean,   I mean, oh, dude. No. I   no. I freaking get you. It's it's it's fuck. It's frustrating because,   you know, you got a 5 year old kid here that that   needs a decent upbringing.   And it's like, damn it. I can do a whole lot better. And I, you know, you know I'm not even the parent. Right. Right. You know? And it's like, fuck. I, you know, I work all week, and I can still do a better job. And you Right.  

You know? And it sounds like sounds like the mother needs,   well, 1, therapy,   counseling,   you know, just,   you know  

[00:38:39] Rich Chelson:

I I was thinking I was thinking more along the lines of Timber therapy, personally, but you know?  

[00:38:45] Duuude-Ron :

Well well, you know   yeah. Yeah. I can I can understand that, but, you know, stump breaking isn't isn't,   smiled upon these days?   Dad. Burn it. I know. Right? It's just it's just yeah. But no, I, I mean, I I totally get where you at, but   you see that's and and   I used to play a lot in those situations   and it took me a long time to figure out that   for my peace of mind, for my life, for my happiness,   I can't, I can't be in it.   Right. That's, that's why, that's why it's like, it's like,   I'm gonna walk away. You know? I mean,   yes.  

I might listen.   I probably won't say too much, if anything,   unless someone asks me what are your thoughts, and then you better be ready for what I'm gonna fucking tell you. Tell you straight the hell up.   And I ain't using no fancy dancy words either.   No. You will.   You gonna understand every syllable I say.  

[00:39:47] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. It'll it'll end up being the, be very simple words. They're not gonna be the nice words, but they're gonna be simple, nonetheless.  

[00:39:55] Duuude-Ron :

And by God, if you're a snowflake liberal, you're gonna fucking cry. You're gonna cry.  

[00:40:00] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:40:01] Duuude-Ron :

No. It just you see, that's why that's why normally on   on the situations like that, because   I can get so passionate about it   and and let it burn me up and eat me up that that I've gotta stay away from it. Right.   You know? Just  

[00:40:18] Rich Chelson:

just for my peace of mind. Right. No. And I I I get that. And that was   and that's   most of it. I mean, there's   I on the most part, whenever I hear   the mom's name come up,   there's a part of me I mean, there's the drama queen   in in that's deep down inside me that goes, oh, oh, let's   we got drama going on. Let's what do we got here? What do we got here? Right. But then at the same time, I start hearing it, and I it just gets my my blood pressure spike, so I know it's not serving me in any fashion. I was just like, oh, okay. Never mind. And I've there's been several several instances,   where I just demand radio silence on it. It's like I've she'll   wife will call I'll be talking to her and she'll, oh, well, so so so so, and there's this girl's this girl's name will come up and it's like, I don't wanna hear it. I don't wanna I don't care to hear it. I don't wanna hear it. And then there'll be something else that goes on, and I will catch a whiff of it and be like, oh, what?  

Yeah. And I fall right into it again. And it's just like, damn it. You know? I I don't wanna know about it, but I but I so much wanna know about it because there's a part of me that's just going,   let me know   that there is retribution   for this child.   Right. Right. Well, actually, retribution for both of them because I we're talking about just one because she's 5 years old. But the younger one   is   in many ways   kinda worse off   because   sadly   sadly, grandma attached herself to older one.   Uh-huh.   Doesn't doesn't it didn't develop the same type of attachment   to to the younger one. Same. And so the younger one kind of is just kind of, okay. Well, he's there,   but doesn't get quite as doted on   as, as the older one. Yeah.  

And that one irritates me too. It's like, come on. They're both of them are your, your grandkid  

[00:42:19] Unknown:

and just not.  

[00:42:21] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Say that's you say that's where that's where those kids, those kids are gonna   grow up being being messed up in the head.   You know? Yeah. If it if if it if it continues along this path,   I mean, this is just, you know, my opinion.   You you know, it's funny.   When I was married to my 2nd wife, and this is, this is how I can, you know, say all this because   my second wife   knew who was fucking who, who was doing this, who was running around doing that in in this small little town we lived in.   Right. And she had known him for years. Right?   And,   there's this   one little girl. She was   17, 18 years old, something like that.  

Yeah.   Yeah.   She had just been out of high school a year or 2.   Still fucking around with the high school boys.   And   and   I was hearing about, oh, this girl,   you know, was doing this, and this boy messed with her and all like this, and they was trying to get me wrapped up all into it and shit.   I remember I I was sleeping 1 night.   My ass got drugged out of bed at fucking midnight   because this girl showed up on our door. My wife got out and let her in,   and they fucking woke me up. Thank god my wife's had coffee going because I was I, I was fixing to go off   and   we sat down at the kitchen. We had a big old picnic table,   kitchen table. Right? Okay. I'm sitting there.  

And I I told everybody, I'll shut the fuck up. I told this girl. I said, now tell me the story.   And she relayed the story to me.   I sat there, drank my coffee,   listened   to her, and I looked at her. I said, how old are you?   I think she was, like, 19, something like that. 19, maybe 20.   And I said, what the fuck you doing playing with a 17 year old little boy?   I said, get your head out of your ass.   Right.   Find a real man. Stop fucking around with this shit. Cause they're, they're saying he's gonna kill me, blah, blah, blah, there, blah. I'm like, shut the fuck up.   And I said, don't you ever come back to my house with this bullshit because you're the one that fucking started it by opening your fucking mouth.  



[00:44:50] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[00:44:51] Duuude-Ron :

I said, listen. I said, I don't know you. I don't hate you or nothing. I'm just telling you straighten the fuck up.   Straighten your fucking life up. Right. And you won't have these problems.   So they finally left. I looked at my wife. I said, do you ever wake me up for that shit again?   I'm gonna start cussing.  

[00:45:13] Rich Chelson:

You're actually gonna see hear some cussing.   Right?  

[00:45:17] Duuude-Ron :

And and,   believe it or not,   she never did again wake me up. And she finally realized that   you need to get out of that drama shit. It it doesn't serve you. It doesn't. But but   but I understand.   It is a fun drug to get a hold of though. Well, yes, it is. No. I I just, yeah, sometimes it is a very fun drug. But if you're not careful, that drug will easily take control of your shit. Oh, hell yeah. No. That that's that's the problem with, like, my hometown.  

[00:45:48] Rich Chelson:

My hometown. Oh, that is all that town is about, is about the drum. Yeah.   And, I mean, granted, there's some been some really interesting juicy stuff like my like the the high school principal   going off getting busted with,   with with meth and hookers   and and a hotel in Amarillo.   That was that was a lot of fun. And then because,   see, that was during the reign of, reign of crime in in that in my in my, hometown   because we had,   the   we had this the the high school principal   getting busted with meth and, meth and hookers,   had the,   the city manager   I'm thinking right. He got busted for embezzlement,   like, I don't know, like,   7, 8 months before the, before that. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it.  



[00:46:47] Duuude-Ron :

A city manager   in your little town got busted for embezzlement. How much did he embezzle? Like, $2,000?   I I have no idea. I mean, come on, man. You're a small little town. Now ain't running no serious money. You know that.  

[00:47:02] Rich Chelson:

We have to see this town, you know,   catches   this the little town doesn't have a whole lot, but, I mean, it it was enough   I mean, we we have enough property around us that, I mean, granted our our little,   one a, two a school ended up, you know, was able to get,   get, Silver Eagle buses that to to go for on game. So, I mean, we had big, nice  

[00:47:28] Duuude-Ron :

nice equipment. Oh, hell yeah. Oh my God. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I guess,   I guess y'all had a little more money on what I Yeah. You know, fit well, you know, this,  

[00:47:38] Rich Chelson:

this is out in Texas where football is king. So, you know So But, I mean, the the town the town itself is one of the first ones to actually you know how all the towns now are   creating water parks instead of just a swimming pool?  

[00:47:53] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:47:54] Rich Chelson:

My hometown was one of the first ones to actually do that. Their their their water park has been   going for   damn near 25 years now.  

[00:48:08] Duuude-Ron :

So   yeah. That  

[00:48:11] Rich Chelson:

But That's just crazy, man. Yeah. But then on top of that, my, the, the,   the city sheriff,   this was the the kind of a coup de grace on on the on the crime spree of of my hometown.   And you you could even verify it because it was on Dateline.  

[00:48:31] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, shit. Y'all made Dateline. Oh my god. We made Dateline, and we  

[00:48:36] Rich Chelson:

it,   the, the county sheriff or not the county sheriff. The, the the,   city,   police chief   and one of the, one of his, one of his officers with him,   the the   helped him,   helped   to, to facilitate the crime,   but he went all the way up to,   I can't think of the name,   name of the city, but anyhow, went up to New York state   and and, and and shot a couple people.   What? Shot his ex girlfriend and her and her lover,   essentially.  

[00:49:19] Duuude-Ron :

Oh my God.   Yeah.   Now. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Hold on now. This, like I said, son, this this town,  

[00:49:28] Rich Chelson:

this this son of a gun town just   loves their drama. And so, I mean, yeah, this the town was abuzz for a long while. My my My god, dude. I mean I mean, you know, maybe maybe  

[00:49:41] Duuude-Ron :

we ought to let everybody know just just  

[00:49:44] Rich Chelson:

what the name of this town is to either stay away or flock to it, whatever you want. No. No. No. They they'll know the moment they get there because this town does not stay out of your business.   This town I mean, this is the town that I would go me and my me and my friend, we worked over at the coop, and we would go to the opposite side of town. That's a 1 mile by 1 mile   square town. Alright? So it's it's not huge at all by any stretch of the imagination.   But we would go   to the opposite side of town,   sit down, and we would go eat at the at the cafe down there. Mhmm. And we would have fun   making up   rumors about ourselves   and see see and then have a race   to see if we can get back to the other side of town before the rumor got there.  

And sometimes   the answer was no.   Oh my god. No. We would get there to go clock in and say that we'd hit have somebody come by. Hey. I heard about such a such so and so. It's like, I just told everybody down in down at the at Delta Cafe about  

[00:50:52] Duuude-Ron :

Oh my god, dude.   So   Yeah. See that? You see that, you know,   like I said, for years,   years, I'm talking years, I was all up in that shit. And,   yeah, I just   this   I can't, man. I   trust me. I can't because   I I I get oh, I don't know. I get sick. I get upset. I get mad. And this is why this is why I don't I don't read about much politics because,   oh, dude,   You think I'm grumpy now. Oh, fuck no.   I I mean, I'm tamed compared to what I would be. Right.   You you know, about about about 30 years ago when when I was like, Willie was in office and   on down through there,   I was, I was, I was all up into politics.  

I believe it. Yeah. And   yeah, it, yeah, it just made me sick, man. I'm like, no, no, I got to go.   So that's why the, that's why I backed off of it. I, you know, like, like, like I said, I still   watch a couple things and,   but I don't let it affect me.   Right. You know,   Just   and and see, that's the thing. You know? That's like, you know, a lot of people,   you know, thrive on that drama so much that it's man, it's not serving them   by no means. It's No. It's not. Actually actually, it's freaking hindering themselves from moving forward.   Yeah.  

You know? I mean, it it is really. So   and me, I like to move forward.   I freaking Let's make a more forward movement as much as we can. So Well, yeah. I mean, I mean, even if it's a half a step, you know, it's at least it I I wasn't in the same place I was, you know? Precisely.   So I know. I just,   oh man, I just,   you know,   I guess, I guess the reason why,   why I guess,   gives me so much is because I spent so many years   dealing with drama and, and, and playing all that bullshit game and stuff like this that, you   know, it is, it is very hard for me to,   you know,   say, keep going with it.  



[00:53:19] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. No. Not I get it. And I've  

[00:53:21] Unknown:

and that's  

[00:53:23] Rich Chelson:

like I said, that's one of the reasons why I try to. But at the same time, I mean, I still   that's one of the reasons why this this podcast is so much fun because I do get to go through through the news and stuff and go, oh oh, there's drama. That was Right. Drama just right here. Alright. Let's see. Can we can we get Rich kicked in?  

[00:53:40] Duuude-Ron :

Didn't do it. Alright. Yeah. You see well,   well, let's see. This this   this,   this,   last thing we've been talking about, it's I   I really had to I yeah. I I mean, I could've gone into 2nd and 3rd gear really, really freaking quick.  

[00:53:59] Rich Chelson:

I'm like, no. I can't do that anymore. We can't start right out the gate. We can't have you   redlined.  

[00:54:05] Duuude-Ron :

So Right? Oh, dude. I'd   I'd I very easily coulda redlined.   Just Oh, yeah. Just because just because of the fact that that   kids are involved   Yep. The kids are getting hurt.   The adults, the the grandparents, I give 2 fucks about them. I I give I don't give a shit. Right. But it's those kids that don't know nothing yet, that hasn't learned, that hasn't had the chance to learn.  

[00:54:31] Rich Chelson:

That's what gets my fucking blood boiling. Right. Yeah. And that's that's what gets me all revved up too. And it's just like going, duh. And every   and the some of the other adults that are involved are, like, going, well, we're gonna we're trying to teach her what we can, and and we're we're doing what we can. It's like,   no. Everybody keeps talking about, well, we think she might be might be dyslexic because of this, that, and these, and those. Oh, no. Okay.  

[00:54:57] Unknown:

Stop. No. Fuck no.  

[00:54:59] Duuude-Ron :

Fuck no. You aren't gonna make goddamn excuses.   No. Yeah. You ain't gonna make fucking excuses for this woman.  

[00:55:06] Rich Chelson:

Yep. And well, no. And the the the that the that the kid may have dyslexia and stuff, and it's just like, yeah. But it's   you've that's your you're just I would stop with the, with those excuse those thoughts also because   they're you're you're doing the you're trying to aim for the homeschooling   stuff. And if she does have this, that's even more of an excuse that I believe she needs to be in public school. She needs to be sitting there Well with somebody else and have missus Parker   in special ed teaching her how to actually write her letter b. Right. Well, okay. Check this out. Homeschooling  

[00:55:42] Duuude-Ron :

homeschooling  

[00:55:43] Rich Chelson:

is not as easy as everybody thinks it is. Oh, I know it's not. Because We had we tried doing homeschooling with our kids, and it was   my it was it was a a,   a a battle of attrition.  

[00:55:56] Duuude-Ron :

Well, let's see. The thing is now. Okay.   Now, because,   say, say a breezy's being homeschooled. Right?   But now   here here is what they do. Okay. They sit in front of a laptop.   Yep. And they do their schoolwork and they're monitored.   Yep. They are watched the whole time they're supposed to be in school. And they're, they're told when, you know, what, you know, whatever and stuff like this. And, and if they mess up,   mom and dad get called right away.   So, so homeschooling   isn't just like, I'll let the kids run around and do whatever. No.   No. Homeschooling   is, is structured   in a way that, that, yeah, they don't they don't play around and, you know, they'll be like, well, you know, you know, if the kids won't pay attention to learn, they'll be like, you're out.  

You know?   And no.  

[00:56:51] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   And then you go off and you have something like, have the, the kids who figure out how to actually work the camera and stuff like that.   And so they make a make a loop of themselves sitting there in front of the camera for for 10 minutes and just  

[00:57:07] Duuude-Ron :

Well, I well, you see, yeah. But I don't think   age 5 through 10 would be that  

[00:57:15] Rich Chelson:

adept. Indeed. But it is possible. It is possible. Gonna say, I bet I bet you there's some 8 year olds who are going, how do I fucking dodge the the Dodge Habitat be in front of this damn camera?  

[00:57:26] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right.   Oh, no. No. I'm I'm not I'm not saying there ain't no young kids in that age group that can.   But but but a good chunk of them,  

[00:57:36] Unknown:

I mean, I mean, they still like to eat their  

[00:57:39] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah. They they they just sit there. But then also I mean, and they've already got these out for,   because there's adults who work from home, and the companies will require some type of monitoring software.   So how often does the mouse get moved?   Right. And so there's people who actually come up with these elaborate little they ought to use Legos   and shit from their kids that'll actually have a, have a, a turntable   so that what it does is it takes the mouse and moves the mouse out,   moves it over here, and then moves it up here, and then so it just kinda makes this this angular,   you know, spirograph thing of a mouse kinda moving around, and they've got   the the and they do. They go off and make a loop of themselves working at the computer and, you know, look like their arm's moving, and they're tapping away, and they're being busy little beavers.  

And, yeah, they're all so all over at Starbucks getting a coffee. So Right. Right. Freaking 8 year old getting coffee.  

[00:58:38] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Getting a grande, you know, whatever   whatever they call it. But, yeah, no. It's a super skinny latte.  

[00:58:46] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Double moatte.   Film  

[00:58:48] Duuude-Ron :

to frock the whatever the fuck they sell at Starbucks. The cold foam?   Yeah. I yeah. It's it's it's yeah. It's not it's not fit to drink either way.   But no. It just yeah. Shit like that. I you see, that's the thing. It just you know? And and, honestly, if you ask me,   homeschooling   is  

[00:59:09] Rich Chelson:

is for certain kids. It's not for every kid. No. It's not. And there's a lot a lot of kids, especially like the one I'm, we've been talking   about, seriously   needs to be in public school. Yes. Is she probably going to say something that's gonna get mom in trouble? Yes. And is it going to be uncomfortable for the fact that if mom grandma doesn't get to see granddaughter ever again,   I would that would break my heart   for her.  

[00:59:37] Duuude-Ron :

But now now But thing is so the thing is so,   if the mother got in trouble,   wouldn't,   CPS   let the grandparents   spend time with   the with the little girl as long as Possible.  

[00:59:56] Rich Chelson:

But I mean, again, it's CPS. If that if they deem that that child is adoptable,   oh, hell no.   Okay. That if they if they see the either one of these kids are adoptable.   I mean, that's that's what they do. They they pick up the when they get a kid,   they determine, is this kid adoptable? If we can, great. We're going to hold on to the kid. We're gonna lie, steal, cheat, steal everything we can   so that we can adopt this kid out because they get a bonus when they adopt a kid out. Right.   But if the kid is   got an attitude,   is is destructive,   has emotional   problems,   is is not adoptable,   You know, as long as mom can show that she was off meth for for a half a day. Okay. Here's your kid back.  

Right. Take care better care of her next time.  

[01:00:50] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. And seeing see   see and that's the thing. That's where that's where kids get into,   you know, I mean, they they have no real upbringing and then they're screwed up for the rest of their life because Yeah. Because CPS  

[01:01:04] Rich Chelson:

does not want   because Yeah. And because CPS isn't good for kids.  

[01:01:10] Duuude-Ron :

And see and see, this is what irks me is because   everybody has the same chance to   do what they want in life.   Yep. We all we all have the same exact chance. It's whether we take it, whether we change our mindset   like we need to to to help us move forward.   Right. But most people,   oh, this is the way my mommy and daddy did it, or,  

[01:01:33] Rich Chelson:

you know, papa and grandma did it. You know? So I gotta do it this way. And That that's how they learned. Exactly. And so they hold on to   that that life lesson. I mean, that's why so many people   fight, have the have,   conflicts,   cycles that they do.   They saw mom mom and dad fighting all the time and it's made it just been   lots of yelling   Right. Type of fighting. It wasn't actual, you know, laying laying hands on each other. It's just   dad has one form and maybe he was raised Italian, so he talks really loud with his hands running all over the place and and stuff. And he's just he's gotta go at it. And mom, you know, mom is,   maybe   the complete opposite. And so she just shuts down and stops talking. Maybe she is conflict avoidant.  

And all of a sudden, you've got 2 2 opposing forces   trying to hit, trying to find a resolution while one's running away, one's chasing after.   Right. And so they see that this this   dynamic doesn't work. And then they're always yelling, always fighting over, you know, either either   whatever, you know, of out of whatever reasons they're fighting, normally, it's gonna be something along the lines of, like, finances.  

[01:02:50] Duuude-Ron :

Normally, yes.  

[01:02:51] Rich Chelson:

And so then,   the little little kid grows up going, well, I'm not gonna fight because I saw how mom and dad fought. Dad eventually you know, mom eventually got fed up with dad yelling and kicked his ass out of the out of the house, and I haven't been able to see my dad since I was I was 8 years old.   So fighting doesn't work.   Right. And so it you know, and it just perpetuates the cycle. And that's how they you know, you get your own set of beliefs   because of how things were going.   Hey.   Guess who just showed up?   Dude.  

He's almost there. There he is. You made it, man.  

[01:03:33] Duuude-Ron :

We was wondering   about you.  

[01:03:37] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:03:39] Rich Chelson:

Everything alright?  

[01:03:41] Unknown:

No. But we ain't gonna go into it tonight.  

[01:03:44] Rich Chelson:

Okay.  

[01:03:47] Unknown:

When has my life ever been alright?  

[01:03:50] Rich Chelson:

Oh, I know a couple times where you had a pretty decent grip. Now granted, that one time you ended up having a whole bunch of dog hair in the back seat, but that's that's that's  

[01:04:02] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I don't think I need to I don't think I heard that story and I think I'm good. Just saying.  

[01:04:07] Rich Chelson:

I think I'm good. Oh, no. It's it's the time when when he, when he took me in right now for a ride.  

[01:04:13] Unknown:

Oh, okay.  

[01:04:15] Rich Chelson:

Okay. When we It took about a year a year. To finally get all the hair out. Oh, wow.  

[01:04:21] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:04:23] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. It took a good long time.   So Yeah. Yeah. It did.  

[01:04:31] Rich Chelson:

So   oh,   did y'all hear   it it's it's a little late,   but,   but I I I forgot to bring it up last week. Y'all did hear,   y'all remember,   Martha Harriman?   Yeah.   You do know she she passed away. Right? No.   Yeah. Yeah. She had a brain embolism.   Oh, no, man. Yeah. Who was that?  

[01:04:59] Duuude-Ron :

They were they were at they were at our first event,   with with street group.   Twisted off road or something like that. Twisted frame?   Yeah. Yeah. Twisted frame. Yeah. Yeah. Martha Harriman was the, first winner of the Harry Chest contest  

[01:05:16] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Of her Jeep. She's the one whose Jeep had had a giant set of panties on them. Yep. On on the on the rear tire. Yep. Yep.  

[01:05:25] Unknown:

Tennessee. The one was that the one at Byrd's?  

[01:05:28] Duuude-Ron :

Yes. Yes. That was the one at Byrd's.  

[01:05:31] Unknown:

Okay. I vaguely   I remember Byrd's,   but   I don't think I was   at the   the award ceremony and that when they did the Harry Chest because I don't remember her.  

[01:05:47] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Well, yeah. I mean, I do. Well, I was there. Of course I was there.   But yeah, that's that's a shame. I liked her. She was Oh, she was a lot of fun. Yeah.   Wasn't her date purple?   The panties were. The panties were. Yeah. I'm not sure.   You know, it's  

[01:06:09] Unknown:

And I don't even remember   that that gene,   whatsoever.  

[01:06:15] Rich Chelson:

Well, let's see here. I I used it as a   as a as an episode of my the pop up guest. So let's see. Really?   Hell, yeah.  

[01:06:28] Unknown:

How old was she?  

[01:06:30] Duuude-Ron :

Oh god. She was About our age. Yeah. I was gonna say about our age,   give or take.  

[01:06:36] Unknown:

And she had a brain aneurysm?  

[01:06:39] Rich Chelson:

Yep. Yeah. She had   an   had a vessel burst in her brain.  

[01:06:45] Duuude-Ron :

Man,   I am sorry to hear that because I I mean I mean, just, you know, meeting her and her, her, her getting up on stage, you know, and stuff. Hey, it was just,   she was good people. Yeah. You know,  

[01:07:01] Unknown:

she was good people.   Wow.  

[01:07:07] Duuude-Ron :

That is that is a bummer.  

[01:07:10] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. It's it's   Yeah. Her her,   her boyfriend and, can't think of his name all of a sudden.   See. I  

[01:07:24] Duuude-Ron :

know I met him too, but I I definitely remember him. He was over there. Yeah. I know. Episode  

[01:07:29] Rich Chelson:

89 is is the one is is,   is the episode. A pair of Jeep panties.   So  

[01:07:37] Duuude-Ron :

I think I remember seeing that picture.   Hang on.   I think I remember seeing that.  

[01:07:52] Rich Chelson:

So, yeah, it was a it was a kind of a tan colored Jeep is what it was.   Okay.  

[01:07:59] Unknown:

Was   was there anything whatsoever,   any   precursors,   or she just had the aneurysm and passed away? Was it even   nothing was for,   what's the word I'm looking for?  

[01:08:18] Rich Chelson:

Like, any indicators?  

[01:08:20] Unknown:

Right. Yeah.  

[01:08:21] Rich Chelson:

Not that I'm aware of. Oh, okay.  

[01:08:26] Duuude-Ron :

So they just they just said, I'm done. I'm out.   Yep. Wow. Man.   Yeah. That just   yeah. That just   that just kinda bites.  

[01:08:40] Unknown:

You know?  

[01:08:41] Unknown:

Mhmm. Yeah. It does. I agree.  

[01:08:45] Duuude-Ron :

Now what was go what were we gonna talk about before  

[01:08:49] Rich Chelson:

we switched over to that one? Oh, Bobby Bridges is is, is her boyfriend.  

[01:08:55] Duuude-Ron :

Bobby Bridges?   Yeah.   See, his his name doesn't ring a bell.   Doesn't ring a bell? No. It no. It doesn't ring a bell, but but   that don't mean nothing. I mean,   if I sign, I'd   I'd probably remember him,   but his name doesn't ring a bell.   But,   yes, I had to say that stuff happens.   No, Brian. I have I have had to load   a lot of these episodes   because I'm Oh.  

[01:09:44] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. If you if you,   if you're on the, if if I think I I need to make a change on the on the podcast,   podcast 1.   It is,   and actually do a search in there, but   but the yeah. There's if you go to, if you if you're over on the blog side, you can actually just, there's a search bar there.  

[01:10:10] Duuude-Ron :

Oh. And  

[01:10:11] Rich Chelson:

and Okay. Well search cheap dannies.  

[01:10:14] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I did I didn't do that. I I just went to the podcast and then just had to keep going. Scrolling. Yeah. Well, when you got 241  

[01:10:21] Rich Chelson:

episodes out there, it it it takes a little while to get down to 89.  

[01:10:25] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. So Yeah. No. No. I I'm here. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, yeah. I remember this Jeep now with the with the purple panties.  

[01:10:34] Unknown:

Yep. Yeah. Can you can you post it on our   on our chat on the VIN?   Sure.  

[01:10:42] Duuude-Ron :

Do you have it, Brian?  

[01:10:44] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, if you wanna share the share the link, that's what I was gonna do. Oh, okay. Yeah.  

[01:10:51] Duuude-Ron :

I can do that.   Copy link address.  

[01:10:55] Rich Chelson:

Yes. I could probably go and hit also just save.  

[01:11:02] Duuude-Ron :

No. I don't wanna do that.   Hang on.  

[01:11:10] Rich Chelson:

Wow.  

[01:11:13] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   I was being a goober head.   Yeah. They click that link and   that will bring you up to the picture of the Jeep, but with the purple pennies.   And see, that's the thing   now that, I mean, I mean, when you saw them per because you don't ever see panties   on the rear tire of a Jeep.  

[01:11:42] Rich Chelson:

Not often, but that is she said those were what? What, 4 x panties?  

[01:11:48] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Well,  

[01:11:49] Rich Chelson:

I mean And she said she had really struggled to get those over the, over enough of the knobs to be able to to keep them stay keep them up. Well, I mean I mean I mean, look at it. It's it's a 35 inch 12 50.   Yeah. I mean, 4 x is still a little small.  

[01:12:07] Duuude-Ron :

You know?  

[01:12:11] Unknown:

But Oh.   You know, un unfortunately, no. I do not remember   that Jeep.  

[01:12:21] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   Dude, yeah. She was cool. I mean I mean,   she was just good people all the way around. Oh, yeah.  

[01:12:31] Rich Chelson:

And it's just and if anything, I mean, just bringing that whole thing up, I mean, that just   screams that,   you know, the whole   I mean well, everything that Dead Poets Society was telling us about.   Yeah. If you're if you're into watching old old,   Robin Williams flick, there's there's a great one to watch. I mean What is it? Dead Poets Society?  

[01:12:55] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, hell yeah. See, I don't I I  

[01:12:59] Rich Chelson:

I don't think I've ever seen that. Oh, that one's that one's a good one. It's the whole premise is   carpe diem. And, the Okay. The the the poem,   gather your rosebuds while you may. And and Okay. Okay.   Just take on the day while you can because, I mean, you're you never know. You know, one day, you're just things are gonna go great and you wait you never wake up again.  

[01:13:25] Duuude-Ron :

Well, no. You're right. And see and and, I mean, honestly, if you look at what I did in January, my ass got cold. And what the hell did I do?  

[01:13:34] Rich Chelson:

I drove south to Mississippi. It was time to move. Yeah. I mean, we've been we we'd slowly gotten your work down. We were try we've been trying to get you to move for 2 years. But Well, yeah. Right. Well, yeah. Yeah. I'm a little slow at times. Okay?   But but my gosh, when you finally started, you you didn't just kinda half ass it. You did.  

[01:13:56] Duuude-Ron :

You were a blast. That son of a bitch. And so yeah. I mean I mean, I might fucking drag my feet forever,   but, by god, when when,  

[01:14:06] Rich Chelson:

when my mind's made up, I'm there yesterday. It it starts stepping. It's gonna start stepping, and you're Right. Better be out of the way because it's not through. So  

[01:14:18] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. No. But but and and you see, that's the thing. You know? That's like that's why that's why I love being down here too, because   there is so much to do and see that that   I haven't even done yet,   or, or I've gone and, you know,   done a little bit, but I need to go back and do some more, you know, Friday.   Yeah. It's, well, I mean,   I've been, I've been busy,   you know, with this house and everything, which is, I, I mean, it's been a good thing, but you're right. You know, more people need to   car pay deal.   Yeah. You know, sees a fucking day give don't give 2 fucks what anybody thinks.  

Do what makes you happy.  

[01:15:02] Rich Chelson:

You know? Now if you're sitting back waiting for somebody else to take the take the reins, you're gonna   I mean, you're you're you're wasting the time. I mean, that's one of the things that I keep trying to tell tell a lot of the guys is that when you're   when you're going and it's not, not a bad thing to go and and have a job, but if you're going to   if you're   going to work just strictly for the sake of working,   then all you're doing is fulfilling another person's dream.   Right. You're not even try you're not even close to trying to fill your dream. Well, and see, and see a lot of folks don't even know what their dreams are.  

[01:15:40] Duuude-Ron :

Well, no. That's true because you see, that's the thing. A lot of people   don't even think that far.   I mean, they, they,   all they know is they get up, they eat breakfast, they go to work, they come home, they sit on the couch and watch survivor   and then go to bed.   And and they think that's living. It's like, no. That's not fucking living. That's that's dying.   You're just sitting there dying a slow death.  

[01:16:06] Rich Chelson:

Slow miserable deaths on top of that because you'll find yourself   at at 75 going, well, shit. What did I do with myself?  

[01:16:14] Duuude-Ron :

Watching watching season 150  

[01:16:17] Rich Chelson:

of Survivor. So Survivor. And and that's and the callback to the, to the the topic that we were talking about before,   this this mom, I mean, that that's   she's not even trying to have a have a good life. And I bet she's   and she's going to look back, you know, here in   in 10, 15 years, and   she's gonna wonder what the fuck happened.   Right. Where did you go wrong? And it's because, 1,   not willing to, 1, do the do the minimum even do the bare minimum that you need to do for your for life. Right. Okay. Now hold on now. Hold on. Let me ask you this. How old is it? How old is she?  

[01:17:04] Duuude-Ron :

It's a mom.  

[01:17:05] Rich Chelson:

20   let's see. Lexi's   24.  

[01:17:14] Unknown:

So that would be  

[01:17:18] Rich Chelson:

25,   26 ish.  

[01:17:21] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Let's let's just take 25.   Easy math.   Let's take   15 years. Her head finally pops out of her eyes.   She's 40.   And she's like, oh my god. My life's over. Where's the gun? And you know what?   And you see, a lot of people have this problem,   And it's not just her. It's it's all of us. We've we've all had this problem, and some of us still do.   But believe it or not, at 40, 50, and even 60,   you still got a good 20 to 30 years in you. Oh, yeah. No. That's that's true.   So so so, you know, and and, I mean, when we're all in our twenties, we think, ow,   we won't ever see 30. We're gonna be fucking long gone and dead by then.  

Well, guess what, bitches? Let me tell you what.  

[01:18:12] Rich Chelson:

Y'all gonna see 30 arrived way before you even thought of it. Right.  

[01:18:17] Duuude-Ron :

It'll show up faster than anything. But but you see in   seeing how the that's the thing. You know, a lot of these people   that, like, you was talking about, just sitting there working   and and   not enjoying life, not doing anything, just freaking making someone else happy and rich.   Yeah. And and not, you know, no, no, I gotta work, you know, 40 and out, man. I, you know, I, you know, I have to work my 40 years, you know,   like my grandpappy and my pappy did and, you know, fuck that.   Live. Right.   Get your ass out and do something.   Fuck. Go to Dollywood. Who cares?  

Go to, you know, wherever.   You know, go enjoy life.   Go see something that you've never seen before.   Right. And I and I bet within your own state,   there's an ass load of shit that you haven't seen before. Unless you live in Iowa, then it's cornfields.  

[01:19:14] Rich Chelson:

So you've seen one in the That's all there is. You might might watch them put some tile in the cornfield. That's that's about the most  

[01:19:20] Duuude-Ron :

fascinating thing about it. You will watch that. They because they fucking tile the shit out their cornfields.   And and and So,  

[01:19:30] Rich Chelson:

so, Ron, what do you think of, think of the topics at the moment?   What?   About, about just   going through and fulfilling making sure that you're you've got your your day seized,   going out seizing the day, living your life to the fullest.  

[01:19:54] Unknown:

Right now right now, I achieved my day to the fullest of getting up,   having coffee and a cigarette,   going to work,   working for   however long it takes me to complete my mission,   come home,   go to bed, and get up and do it all over again.   You know,   everybody says,   maybe tomorrow.   Yes. For me right now in my   life's circumstances,   maybe tomorrow.   I can't even   I can't even fathom of seizing the day   on anything   that I have ever wanted to do   right now just because of my family dynamics, unfortunately.   And   maybe that is   my   seizing of the day   is my family   dynamics.  



[01:20:56] Duuude-Ron :

But how is that serving you?   Or is it?  

[01:21:03] Unknown:

You know, I may or may not like   like it,   but it is serving me   because   I am serving   others that are in need   in one way, shape, or form.  

[01:21:20] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.   Alright.   No. I I mean, it's You know, I   Go ahead.  

[01:21:27] Unknown:

You know,   yes. Would I love to   take a trip to Australia?   You know, would love to do that. You know, would I like to go back over to Germany and see all the castles that I never got to see when I was over there the first   time. Would love to do that.   However,   you know, I may be able to seize the day   one day and just go and see some of the stuff that I would love to see just inside the United States that I have never seen.  

[01:22:01] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:22:03] Unknown:

You know? There's so much stuff here in the in this country   that I have never seen, let alone, you know,   going outside.   But seizing the day,   yeah, right now, my days are pretty,   unfortunately, pretty rough. But one day that one day,   it'll change, and I know it will.  

[01:22:29] Duuude-Ron :

I see. And that's the thing, you know, that's   that's what you hold on to and and you know it'll happen. You just have to even   even if it's a half a step,   take a half a step towards that goal. This way, at least you're moving forward.   You know? You've   done something.   You know, sometimes season of the day means   taking a half a step towards your goal.  

[01:22:58] Unknown:

Yeah.   You know? Yep.  

[01:23:01] Unknown:

Yep. I'll Even if you go   go ahead, Rob. No. Yeah. Yeah. I I agree with you. A half a step is better than   a half a step forward is better than taking 2 steps back.  

[01:23:14] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, by god.  

[01:23:18] Unknown:

Oh, man.  

[01:23:23] Rich Chelson:

Does yeah. I mean and I think it's James Clear's atomic habit.   Talks about,   the the   the work of of what compound interest does   and how that works towards you   getting your goals taken care of. Because when you just even if you get   just 1% better, say you're trying to trying to,   trying to lose weight. So maybe you lose just   1% of your body weight   every week.   You're still going to be a lot further ahead than   the majority of of society because the majority of society is not going to do that type of work. Right.   They're willing they're more willing to just kinda sit there and go, well, you know, one day I'm gonna get this taken care of. One day is gonna come along. And sad sadly,   they've never studied school long enough to realize that there's only 7 days in a week. There's not that 8th Sunday.  



[01:24:21] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   Yeah. No. And see, that's the thing. You know? It's it's   yeah. You know, it took me a long, long time to   figure that out,   you know? And I I mean, I'm not saying I've got it all figured out because I don't,   but   I understand a whole lot more than what I used to. That's why   that's why I do what I do. And I mean, sometimes I achieve it. Sometimes I don't. I just back up, readjust, and go ahead at it again.   Right. You know?   So, I mean, that's, that's the thing. I I it's it's   that is honestly one thing that I've never really done in my life.   I mean,   you know, someone's tried to tell me I couldn't do something. Oh my god.  

I I would I I would kill myself just to prove them wrong. I didn't care. Right.   Because it's like now, motherfucker, you ain't gonna tell me what I can and can't do because I'm gonna show you what I will do.   Man, you know?   But, yeah, now it's just, I don't know. I'm just   oh,   before I forget, because I'll squirrel. I know I will   because I'm very bad at that.   And no, I, no, I haven't.   No. And no, I haven't bought that Sigma audio thing yet. I want it, but   I don't know. I just haven't bought it yet. But anyway, let me go back to my original squirrel.   Fuck.  

That squirrel took off.  

[01:25:51] Unknown:

Some bitch. Oh, no.  

[01:25:52] Duuude-Ron :

Where was I at?   Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay.   This squirrel came back. It it needed another nut.   I I I have made   2 new goals   that that I need to achieve in my lifetime.  

[01:26:10] Rich Chelson:

K. So what are these 2 bucket list items?  

[01:26:13] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.   The, first one   is to   sail on a,   NOAA  

[01:26:23] Unknown:

boat.  

[01:26:25] Rich Chelson:

Okay. Okay. Sailed on a weather boat.  

[01:26:28] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. And, and,   well, down here   they have, fisheries.   They do more with the fish and the sea life and stuff like that. So,   you know, and they study the current weather and stuff like that and   how it affects the marine life and stuff. But I wanna ride on that boat and take pictures and fly my drone,   and then I wanna do the same thing   on a shrimping boat.  

[01:26:59] Rich Chelson:

Well, if you do the NOAA boat, though, take the NOAA boat during a hurricane.  

[01:27:04] Duuude-Ron :

You see you see this, the thing? Gusto, man.   See? Oh, no. No. No. Hang on. I was just thinking the other day   because   I and and I know I know I will see a hurricane down here.   Maybe not this year, but I know I will see 1. Right.   Right. But, but   I kinda wanna like, like a week when I don't want a real strong one, a week when,   when, when, you know, when it makes landfall and, and the eye comes across the land,   I wanna I wanna fly my drone up up through it and get   get shots of of the hurricane   from from the air.  

[01:27:43] Rich Chelson:

Definitely. The I mean, people people have done that. So, yeah, you'll be able to get that. You say that  

[01:27:49] Duuude-Ron :

that would be so freaking cool, I think. I it just you know?  

[01:27:53] Rich Chelson:

But but yeah. No. I mean You'll you'll definitely sadly, you'll need something a little to really make make it really pop and and look as cool as you're open.   Sadly, you're gonna need one of those one of those Cat 5 100 or whatever   ones that, you know,   the big big super strong ones, because the moment that because that's where the the   the,   the differences of night and day are are the strongest, because you've got this wall of of cloud just going going bonkers. And then in the middle, it's just   nice,   calm,  

[01:28:28] Duuude-Ron :

sunny even. Right. Yes. Well, see, that's the thing. I I wanna be in the middle where it's nice, calm, and sunny, you you know, if it's sunny.   And and I I wanna throw the drone up   and try and get, like, a   like a,   360   degree shot.   And, yeah, you're right. I will I will probably need something bigger than   my little mini 3 pro I have.   You know?  

[01:28:55] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Get one of those octocopters   and just attach your camera to it and stuff and just  

[01:29:01] Duuude-Ron :

Would it would it hold my camera?  

[01:29:04] Rich Chelson:

An octocopter?   Oh, hell yeah. That's the ones that that those are the ones with the 8 blades on them? Yeah. Yeah.   I mean, yeah, those things are those things have got, a lot of times, carry camera   carry film equipment.  

[01:29:17] Duuude-Ron :

So Oh, shit. Those those things are, like, 10, $12,000,  

[01:29:20] Rich Chelson:

dude. Well, yeah. I mean, come on, man. Gotta start dreaming.   Come  

[01:29:25] Duuude-Ron :

on. Right. Right.   But yeah. No. I was just I was just thinking the other day, and it's like, you know what? That would be really freaking cool because,   you know, I could get some really cool shots,   you know, with my camera, of course. And then and then, of course,   you know, throw the drone up and then   have it do like a follow,   follow the boat, you know?   Yeah. And then, you know, and just, or, or, you know, and honestly on a NOAA boat, I don't know if I could do that because   it's a freaking government agency.   So the shrimp and boat,   the shrimp and boat, I could probably   I I probably stand a better chance doing it.  



[01:30:07] Rich Chelson:

Until the seagulls attack it.  

[01:30:10] Duuude-Ron :

You see, that's that's something be that'd be something else I have to worry about.   You know? Because it's like   and, you know, and and, see, that's the thing. If if the drone goes down out out in the gulf, I'm not getting it back, and I'm losing all that footage.  

[01:30:26] Rich Chelson:

Oh, you mean you're not gonna dive after it? No. No. Okay. Good. Then I won't have to worry about hopping on here and going sadly, folks, we lost Rich. And you,   he was out on a shrimping boat and, and and and got his his drone got attacked by a couple seagulls. It went down in the drink, and he was like, oh, hell no. He jumped in after it, and   they   searched for for for about 30 minutes. It's like, oh, he was the dumbass who jumped in the water and then took off the one that kept it kept fishing. So Right. You  

[01:30:58] Duuude-Ron :

see.  

[01:31:00] Unknown:

You yeah. Because they they gotta fill the nets.  

[01:31:03] Rich Chelson:

Exactly. Right. How you want? Come on now.  

[01:31:06] Unknown:

And and, you know, what with what you just said earlier,   and, you know,   those are great   bucket list   moments   to have, Rich.   Mhmm. But you were talking about,   nobody will ever make you happy other than   you.   And it's amazing how many people,   be included,   want   want to be   approved,   liked.   You know?  

[01:31:48] Unknown:

I'm  

[01:31:52] Unknown:

I'm so freaking distraught right now because of   what I just went through before I came on to the podcast.   And,   looking for approval   from people.  

[01:32:05] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[01:32:06] Unknown:

You know? And it's amazing how we how we   how everybody wants that.   And but   you never think of very few people think of, okay. You know what? Just fuck everybody else. I'm gonna do what the fuck I'm gonna do.   Mhmm. You know, to make me happy.   And there unfortunately,   very few people get to   have that reality.   You know? And that, again, that is just the fact of life.   But there was a point I was gonna try to make, but the squirrel jumped ship. What the fuck was that point that I was trying to fucking   get  

[01:32:50] Duuude-Ron :

through? Well,   see, dude, the thing is that,   the first person   that you need to seek approval from from is yourself   before anybody else  

[01:33:03] Unknown:

and God, of course. But, you know? Yeah. Always God. That's that's true. Yep. But but  

[01:33:08] Duuude-Ron :

you you need to seek your own approval. And and and if you can't find it there,   no one no one else can really give it to you until  

[01:33:19] Unknown:

until you accept it. Hell yeah. You're right. From yourself. And who is always and who is always gonna be your worst critic?   You.  

[01:33:28] Rich Chelson:

Yourself. That is So how do you keep that worst critic from happening?  

[01:33:33] Unknown:

I guess you just kick him in the fucking dick.  

[01:33:36] Rich Chelson:

There you go. You go on ahead and you become friends with that enemy.   Well, I did too. You do friends with that with that addict. That that addict. That that critic. Mhmm. Yeah.   And That that too many. Yeah.   And it's not ever fun,   but, I mean and and it almost sounds a little bit too   too   too too fruity, woo woo,   you know,   you   know,   Stuart Smalley's type of stuff where, you know,   where it's like I'm smart I'm I'm   smart enough. I'm good. I'm I'm good enough. Doggone and people like me type of type of talk, but   you can   actually convince yourself that you're a you're a good guy. You're you can Mhmm. Become friends with that inner critic   and understand. Yeah. Alright. You congratulations.  

You said your piece. Alright.   We're not doing that now. And carry on with what you wanted to do. And I haven't unfortunately, I have not.  

[01:34:40] Unknown:

Me and that me and that inner critic has just never   come to an agreement   to make a good friendship   out of it.  

[01:34:52] Duuude-Ron :

It takes time, dude. It takes a lot of time.  

[01:34:55] Unknown:

And it's taken me 55 years thus far not to be able to fucking make friends with that motherfucker.   Well, yeah. He is a stubborn individual.  

[01:35:05] Duuude-Ron :

Yes, sir. Oh, I I won't argue that point. I know. No, sir. I will not argue that point. It took me a Not only is he stubborn, he's just an overall  

[01:35:14] Unknown:

asshole.  

[01:35:15] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Yeah.   Worst worst thing you could ever think of being. Right?  

[01:35:20] Unknown:

Yes.  

[01:35:21] Duuude-Ron :

Right? Yeah. No. I dude.   Dude, I get you on that. I do. I do get you.   It took me a long, long time.   And, I mean, I still I you know, once in a while,   I still fight with him.   You know?   Not too often anymore because   he's just like, no. Shut up, dude.   You ain't gonna win this battle.  

[01:35:47] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:35:53] Rich Chelson:

Exactly.  

[01:35:54] Unknown:

I I will well, I know the day that I will win that battle   regardless.   I will win that battle.  

[01:36:04] Duuude-Ron :

But but that's not a happy day.  

[01:36:08] Unknown:

Well, it depends on what your perspective is.   Well It will be a very hap and it'll be a very happy day   for you,   for me,   if it is   us. That will be your happiest day   ever   when you meet God.   Well, yes. Now now   will other people not be so happy? Well,   other people will not be so happy.   That's true. But that will but for me, that will be the happiest day of my life.  

[01:36:44] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:36:45] Unknown:

You know, plain and simple. I yeah. And   nothing towards,   who just passed away.   But, again,   if you live,   you   will die.   And that's just a factor of   life.   You know? But Yeah. But they get that as  

[01:37:09] Rich Chelson:

But, again, if you were to look back to, say, the old parable of the talents,   That's   you know, you you've you've heard that story where,   the master   gave,   gave each,   gave his 3 servants   a a number of talents.   Was it some talents each, I think? Something like that. Yeah. Gave him some gave him some coins and said and said, I'll be back for him later.   And he essentially was like, do what you do what you need. Protect them, and and   and,   I'll I'll be back. I'll I'm gonna ask for them back later. And the first one   invested it, grew it, by by a huge amount. The second one invested it and grew it by a medium amount. The third one just took it, buried them, and just left my as   and just left them at there.  



[01:38:10] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, wait. Hold on. Hold on, Brian.   On this on this,   the talents,   the,   the first servant,   say they yeah. There was 3 servants   and one servant received 5 talents. The second one received 2, and the third one   received only 1.  

[01:38:32] Rich Chelson:

Okay. Well,   not that. And I'm I'm sure there it back in that time, there was a reason why there was 3, 2, and 1.   But,   but at the same time, for I mean and   what that   what that what that   means, I'm sure, is   would probably change the full meaning of the   of this of the, of the story.   But, but anyhow, so by the time eventually, the the the master comes back and asks for each of them to have their,   ask them for their,   to return the talents. And the first one came back, and he showed a whole lot of he he grew his, his amount,   the most, and   and,   hold up.  



[01:39:31] Duuude-Ron :

What?   You  

[01:39:33] Rich Chelson:

you you still there, Brian? Yeah. I am. I am all up. It's just  

[01:39:37] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Yeah. No. I know. No. The first two servants basically, doubled their their money in the in the value of the property. Yeah. And   and so   I'm seeing so the master,   you know, gave him more and kept going.   And, 3rd survey,   he just, you know, had had buried his   and, brought it out and gave it to the master. And the master was like,   no. He's like,   that's not why I gave it to you.   You know? And I mean, this is   and so, yeah, he got thrown out,   thrown off the land.  

[01:40:18] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. He was he was rebuked and and and and punished because   he didn't do anything with the talents that he had. And   that's   one of the one of the again, that harkens back to   to, to the whole carpe diem talk, in that   you we have to, you know, we can   do with what we want and we can make up all the excuses as to why we   never reached what our full potential   was.   And it's not that we will ever fully reach our potential, but at least as long as we are striving for it,   we're going to have   a better chance of doing so. You're gonna   you're you're gonna miss a 100 a a 100 percent of all the of all the the shots that you don't make.  



[01:41:10] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[01:41:12] Rich Chelson:

And so you wanna you wanna be trying. You wanna be forwarding yourself, getting yourself moving forward, taking the time. And to to sit and not necessarily sit, but to to   go, well, I'll I'll have my great day at   when   when I die. It's like, okay. Yes. That may be true,   but   what are you going to do? How are you   bettering yourself in the meantime?  

[01:41:42] Duuude-Ron :

Right. And because if you're losing your talents, basically.  

[01:41:47] Unknown:

Yeah. Well and that that also that also goes to the old saying,   here is your date of birth.   Here is your date of date of death.   Right? Yeah. And then there's a little bitty thing right in between the 2 of them and that what what's that called?  

[01:42:07] Duuude-Ron :

It's life, dude.  

[01:42:09] Unknown:

Now you have your   on your okay. On your gravestone,   you have your date of birth, your date of death, and then you have a little thing in the center. What's that called? Yeah. They have a little hyphen between  

[01:42:22] Rich Chelson:

between the space between the Your dash.  

[01:42:24] Unknown:

Your   dash. Right?   What the hell did you do with your dash?  

[01:42:29] Unknown:

Right.   Yeah.   I mean, honestly, yeah.  

[01:42:35] Unknown:

You know? Yeah. I can I now there, I can say that   I've done   a lot with my dash? You know? I got   over 3,000   volunteer hours with Habitat for Humanity   in my lifetime.   I think I've gotten   help in construct. I can't remember. I think it was 32 houses that I've helped   construct in my lifetime   Right. With 3000 hours.   So I've done that with my dash.   But on the other hand,   you know, how many times have I   messed up in my lifetime?   You know? Yeah. That's all part of the dash. But, again, what did you do with your dash?   And what you what you guys said about   carpe diem. Yeah. I get it. Yeah.  



[01:43:34] Duuude-Ron :

Well, dude, messing up,   Is part of the fun, actually. Messing up is messing up. It's it's not it's it's not a bad thing. It's it's the only way you learn.   That's true. You know, if you don't fuck up and if you don't fail, guess what? You don't learn shit.   So, I mean, I mean, people might, you know, it is okay to make mistakes.   In fact, it is encouraged,  

[01:44:01] Unknown:

you   know,   because Yeah.  

[01:44:04] Duuude-Ron :

That's how you get ahead. But see, that's the thing, that death,   a lot of people and,   you know, a lot of people worry so much about that fucking dash   and that dash is nothing.   It's nothing. Just fucking enjoy life.   I mean, however,   whatever that means for you,   just fucking enjoy life. But too many people,   and I'm gonna say it, dude, because I love you, but you included   don't fucking enjoy life.   Even even looking at a sunrise or looking at a sunset, dude.   Just even something as simple as that, man.   That could that could help ease your mind on a lot of things.   Or looking at a flower, you know, a pretty flower.  

See, that's the thing, man. A lot of people don't look at the flowers   and I used to be there.   I used to, I used to fucking be there.   And,   you know,   I'm telling you what, when you start looking at the flyers and smelling the flyers,   it freaking kinda gets in your blood, gets in your soul.   So   that's just that's just my 2¢.  

[01:45:21] Unknown:

I can't disagree with you there at all.  

[01:45:26] Duuude-Ron :

I mean, hell, a pretty truck.   I still like pretty semis.   Believe it or not, I I do.   Especially in bull haulers that are all lit up, chromed out. Oh, man.   Long hooded peeps, long   long hood KWs.   Oh, fuck. They sexy.   I got chicken lights all over them on the trailer.   Yeah. Yeah. I still get excited over that shit.   And and   and other things too, but, you know,  

[01:46:07] Rich Chelson:

So alright. Well, let's let's change topics a little bit again.   Okay. And   we're going again, this will be more   a little bit of a a a drama,   dip, but also we're going into going into video game topics yet again. This is the drama show tonight, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. We are just all about the drama, and I've got other ideas   coming up on on,   on   inciting more more actual   discussions and philosophical   just   type of, of insights.   So  

[01:46:43] Duuude-Ron :

so what you trying to do? Get me wound up every week now?  

[01:46:48] Rich Chelson:

Well, sometimes, you know, they may it may be a topic that gets you wound up. Oh, maybe. It may just be it may be a topic that you go,   no. And that's all you say, and it doesn't, like, try to get anything else out of you. You're kinda like,   Jerry Lee, Jerry Lewis whenever,   whenever   right before he died and he did his one of his last interviews, and he was not having it. And that poor that poor   the the that reporter journalist that was trying to talk to him, it was doing everything they can, and he was just like, no.   Yes.  

No.   No.   Yes. I mean, just even if it was, is that wasn't just an open ended question. I mean, he he he he got a a the chest spreaders after the darn question to open it up, and he still was just, yes, no, didn't like it. Oh my god. He was not having it. He was he was cranky dude.  

[01:47:47] Unknown:

And now that you're you're fixing to talk about video   video game?  

[01:47:52] Rich Chelson:

Well, there this will also have this this is, okay because it's gonna give you you have the opportunity to talk also.   Because   it it that we're we're doing opinion portions of this, of this.   So   but at the same time, it's it's about,   a video game or a it's or maybe even 2 video games.   But   just   the,   you there's a there's a place in there for,   for the dude to throw his 2¢   in. So,   okay. So, Rich, have you heard of Concord?  

[01:48:30] Duuude-Ron :

Of what?  

[01:48:31] Rich Chelson:

Of the game Concord.  

[01:48:34] Duuude-Ron :

Concord?   Yep.   I think so. Yeah.  

[01:48:38] Rich Chelson:

Okay. What do you hear what have you heard about it?  

[01:48:42] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, it's   I've   I've seen the title,   but, I mean, I I   I didn't really   look much into it.   Yep. Because it because it just it it just   basically basically, I I had judged a book by its cover  

[01:49:02] Rich Chelson:

as well. And so did everybody else.  

[01:49:04] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.  

[01:49:05] Rich Chelson:

Because   this is a game that, from what   everybody's reporting,   cost a $100,000,000   to make   and 8 years to to develop and produce and write and all that,   and Concord   made   a $1,000,000.  

[01:49:27] Duuude-Ron :

Really?  

[01:49:28] Rich Chelson:

Yep.   And it's been I forget exactly. I think it's been running for about a month or was running. Correction. It was running   because   Sony   was the   was the the developer   or the the the the distributor or or the main company   behind   Concord.  

[01:49:49] Duuude-Ron :

K.  

[01:49:50] Rich Chelson:

This is   one of the biggest flops that have ever come about in the video game industry. It's a game of sir it's supposed to be a video game as a service.  

[01:50:03] Duuude-Ron :

There's one strike.  

[01:50:05] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   Well, no. Because you like you you there you liked, Destiny, didn't you?   No.   No? I thought you did.  

[01:50:13] Duuude-Ron :

Uh-uh.   No.   Not really. No. It it was not it was not my cup of tea. Not your for not your forte. So okay. Well, it's  

[01:50:24] Rich Chelson:

it was, it was a video game of service.   It ran for a month And, yeah, Sony turned around and was, like, going, yeah, and out of and it was released not just on PlayStation   Store, but on Steam also.   Okay. And the most concur if I'm remembering right now, I'm sure one of our listeners will let us know, hey. You got the numbers all wrong.   The most concurrent   number of players that they had from the time that they started,   that were recording on Steam,   I think was, like,   a 100 and a 100 and something odd people.   And by the time they shut it down yeah. That was it. And you have a a a   a game that was released   just a couple weeks ago that has already made a 100   or no. I think it's actually eventually, it's a $100,000,000   or over a $100,000,000.  

They   anyhow, they have   and in just a couple   weeks,   they have they have made, like, a $100,000,000,   and,   and, yeah, Concord made 1% of that in a month.   Damn.   So and by the time they shut it down, it was the   number of of people that were playing Concord   on Steam, because they they show you what, you know, what how many people are playing and stuff.   It was in the double digits, and it wasn't the high double digits either. It was, like, 28.  

[01:52:01] Unknown:

Oh, wow.   So  

[01:52:04] Rich Chelson:

and the reason that there's a lot of there's a lot of speculation and stuff as to why, but the biggest ones are,   1, there's no story.   Okay. It's a it was a it was a interesting   concept   in that they were wanting to make sure that it didn't have  

[01:52:25] Duuude-Ron :

loot boxes,  

[01:52:26] Rich Chelson:

it didn't have,   you know, the the battle pass or anything like that.   But it was a it is a game as a service,   which means that they need some would give people some reason to keep returning back to the game. Well, yeah. Because And I and I mean, there's no no battle passes are annoying as hell. That's why I don't play war zone anymore. It got old really freak quick. I'm sorry.   I love Call of Duty,   but give me the old style Call of Duty where you had a had a single person campaign   that you could spend, you know, 10, 15 hours on, and and and it was a good time. Call of Duty World War 2.   World war 2. Or black ops. Black ops 2.  

I never got around never got around, Modern warfare 3. Oh my gosh. That was the get that was the the call of duty that I loved playing.  

[01:53:22] Duuude-Ron :

I could never get Modern Warfare 3. I I I just, it pissed me off. And and Did you play it on the off the screen.  

[01:53:31] Rich Chelson:

Off the off the main character screen. I've Okay. I get fresh screen for you. The were you on the   the the the PlayStation 5 version or the old PlayStation   3 version?  

[01:53:45] Duuude-Ron :

No. It was on 4.  

[01:53:49] Rich Chelson:

Okay. Yeah. No. That then that's   because now I'm talking about because they did re they redid Modern Warfare 3.   And so because they did redid, Modern Warfare, Modern Warfare 2, and then they add Modern Warfare 3.   And I think that came out on,   the the third one came out,   like, 2 or 3 years ago. So but Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:54:14] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Modern warfare 3 came out just right at about the same time,   PlayStation fives were getting popular.   Because he it was made for the 4.  

[01:54:26] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   Okay. So, yeah, you've got the you have the new you have the re the remastered or the re   it was done it was done for the, for the more modern,   consoles.   Right. I I played the Modern Warfare 3 back when it was on when it first came out for PlayStation 3.   And, that was they had the boat, the you had the, you had your, death match games and there's one that was on the yacht   and things like that. But they also had a couple other, other,   play systems that were absolutely wonderful. And everything about the, I mean, the the story and all was a great great,   great package altogether.  

But   Concord   doesn't have any of that. It didn't have a really good story. It didn't have a reason for people to come back.   The player design the or the the character designs weren't interesting at all either. I mean, they you had a they were all   designed for modern audiences. So they had,   you know, they had a,   oh, who was somebody,   one commenter said that, the main characters looked like they were background characters for   Guardians of the Galaxy.   Okay. But So they were just just people in the background, and they just like, okay, plucked him and because and and and this one. And so you had one   you had one guy and a couple of gals, and one gal was an overweight girl who was   and stuff. And then you had another another gal that wore like it's supposed to be a I guess it's supposed to be a a space suit or something, but it was square and it it didn't look right. And it well, there was no reason to continue playing.  



[01:56:16] Duuude-Ron :

Well, okay. Hang on. Hang on. Let me ask you this then. Okay?   Got it. And and maybe it's my   naivety.   That's a big word for this time of night for me. Really big fucking word.   But,   how has Fortnite   been so freaking popular? Because it's it don't have a story neither.  

[01:56:39] Rich Chelson:

Fortnite's popular because they keep bringing in different brands.   You have, you have a whole bunch of different,   selections of characters   from Marvel. You have different characters from,   I think they got Scooby Doo. They got Marvel. They have   all these other all these other brands that have come in   and have licensed with Fortnite.   And so they they keep   they keep the and then you got the seasons the end of the seasons, there's always some giant spectacular thing that happens before the map gets swapped out for a new map.   So they change out maps, they and and there's   there's a, you know,   a very loose, if you wanna call it story. There is a story   to it because the to explain why there's this storm that's circling around and and depressing down into this one little area.  



[01:57:37] Duuude-Ron :

You see this?   I've well, I've I've only watched yeah. I've never played Fortnite.   I I've watched people play it, and   all they do is,   run around and shoot fucking everybody.  

[01:57:50] Rich Chelson:

They run around, they shoot, and they build.  

[01:57:53] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, I didn't see no one building. I just saw them shooting each other and   and they die and come back and they go back and do it again. Good building going on because you'll see people run up to a build  

[01:58:04] Rich Chelson:

to to, like, a tree and start whacking it down with a pickaxe, and then they get a bunch of wood.   And then and then you take all that all that wood, and you're able to sit there, and you'll you'll watch some of the some of the kids who are good at it. And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, they're just sitting there just building this big old big old tall skyscraper   out out of nowhere.   So they have a high enough purse. They could sit there and blink people off.  

[01:58:29] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. See, that's you see, and that's why you see, that's why   games as a service like that, not Fortnite and like like this kind I I I don't like them,   you know, because it's you know, especially if you're new,   you know, and you're not used to it. Every game,   the the shooting, the aiming, and all like that, it it's   every game's different.  

[01:58:52] Rich Chelson:

To a lot a lot to the point. Yeah. And, again, you're right. I mean, like like,   Fortnite. I've played it for a little while. It it got boring real quick. Mhmm. That's one again,   that's the reason why war zone got old, and that's why they from about every 2, 3 weeks, they're throw they're they're swapping out the game play. So you may have team death match as 1, and then,   but you always got your battle royale, and then they may bring in the,   the,   the lone survivor island thing, and then they bring change that out. Then it's, it's this other game style, and then there's That's just me, man. That's just And and it yeah. Yeah. And it's just and you so the there's a chance you might be playing and playing for a while, and they've got the game that you the the game mode that you that you kinda like, and so you're playing it for a little bit. And then they trade it out, and you don't have the game anymore. So you're kinda like, alright. Well, let's try one of these others and not really enjoy that. I'm out. No. I'm done.  

[01:59:53] Unknown:

And I was like, no. No. I'm out.  

[01:59:57] Rich Chelson:

So but then you had games like, and I I played Destiny for a while. Destiny's good.   Or at least the original Destiny. I never got around to playing Destiny 2. But Destiny itself was good. The Division   is good. That was that's also a game as as a service.  

[02:00:15] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   I'm but but you see that game,   it's funny.   You can play it by yourself   Yeah. Without other people. But   if you get in trouble and call for help,   actually, it's it's it's calling someone around, you know, another gamer,   and they can come and help you.   So you guys Absolutely.   And and   now now I do I do I do like the division because 9 times out of 10, I'm playing by  

[02:00:50] Rich Chelson:

myself. No. No. And I'm I'm the same way. I I love playing by myself. There are times that I do like doing,   doing cooperative,   but they're on rare real rare occasions.   Now the one time where I absolutely loved   playing with a team,   that was in   shit. Was it PlayStation 2   or PlayStation 3?   One of those 2 consoles,   there was a game called Mag, m a g, stood for massive action game.   There was   a 124   people on the map at one time. Oh my god.   And they were all and they were divided up into 2 teams.   Oh, shit. And it was sheer massive chaos. And there was a and they rotated between, I think, 5 different giant ass maps.   And it was   just mass chaos. It was 64 to 64.  

And just you'd be running along, and all of a sudden, you'd see you'd see a little glimmers a scope glimmer off of in one far corner, and all of a sudden, you'd be dead. And you're like, son of a bitch. So you would you would decide, you're gonna get that son of a bitch. And you gotta spend the whole day   or the whole match because the match normally lasts about 25, 30 minutes. And so Right. Just trying to get yourself across the damn map   and and to get over to where that sniper is because the sniper, he's not moving. He's off he's hanging out in, in an area   that,   that's tough to get to. And so you're trying to get over there, and he knows you're trying to get him because he's already seen you. And so   and so it was it was a blast because you'd have this little you would have a squad.  

And that squad would be running around. You'd have somebody who was, who's basically the squad leader, and they'd be telling everybody, alright. And he just go over here, go over here, go over here. There's a lot of talking and action and stuff and,   going on and and giving out directions. But at the same time, if you're not doing a very good job, all the squad members could go off and and get   to decide, never mind. You're not doing a very good job, and they can vote you off of of being squad. Somebody else would become squad leader. And so it was, you had to know what you were doing or you were gonna get booted instantly,   which is hilarious because you're like, yeah. I'm finally squad off. Yeah. I'm I'm not squad leader. Alright. Fine. I'll run around being little.  

But it was a bad that was one of those games where that where there was a bunch of people,   but it was all it was and it wasn't quite a a   soft, game as a service because   it was just everybody it was it was before   the   for PlayStation actually started doing the PlayStation Plus stuff.   So they you were still free. So it had to have been PlayStation 3 and   when they had it. But it was, it was a blast.   But, again, with car even within, it was there was a purpose. There was a   a reason to keep going because you had this group of people that you like to play around with on on Mac.   Concord, no. There's that's not there. There was no   reason for anybody to show up. The player the the characters were incredibly uninteresting.  

And I'm this is coming from somebody who didn't play out of the fact that it didn't look interesting. I just saw them on   pop up on,   on, on Google   that PlayStation was pulling Concord off the,   off the stores.   So it's not being displayed at all. There I mean, there's this they took servers down. They took everything. It was like, alright. Never mind. This is this is a disaster,   and yanked it. And this brings it on to the other point. There is a game   that is called   Dustborn.   And if you didn't know better,   this game   is you would think that this is a parody that that some   that some some,   that the Babylon Bee made.  

Okay. Because what it is, it has been labeled   by   people on both sides of the aisle as the wokest   game ever made.   Oh, wow.   4 years to make it, so they rushed it rushed through with it. That's probably pretty bad when a liberal says that's too woke.   Oh, it's not that they were saying it was too woke. Because they just say it's the wokest game ever made.   But it like I said, it's so   they lean so hard into it   that   it's just   you're like, what the hell? Like, the the game mechanics   were horrible because you had   all the keywords   that were that you hear the Wokees   talk about.  

You had the ability to to essentially cry racist.   If you're talking to talking to somebody, use you could use the, you could use the the term racist and and against the person   and   or,   triggered   or, you know, or some of these other. And it's just this   the the story is is shit.   Right. And it and because it's supposed to be and some some folks have kinda looked at it and gone, oh, okay. Yeah. This is life is strange except with shitty   shitty characters.   And, it but it's   basically, it's a   these 4 characters are taking a they're doing a road trip from,   from LA   going to Nova Scotia, which is supposed to now be in this current term, paradise. And when this game was being made,   Trump was president. So he is Trump Trump has has destroyed the United States. It's now   been,   been completely destroyed. Texas has taken over Arizona and New Mexico   and, and Colorado.  

And,   and you've got no man's land, which is basically Kansas and and and Nebraska, which, okay, that makes sense. Nobody wants to be in North Nebraska.   So   but and and so everything else is all kinda divided out, and you could just see that all the bias in there. And it's so like I said, it's so hard over onto the onto the,   onto the woke ideology that people are, like, going, this game's not real, is it?   And, yeah, it's it's it's freaking real. And then, you know, and Sadly, yeah. Already   When it didn't take off and they've only had   20 Yeah. You know, a double not 20, but double digits   of plays, and they've been out for, like, 3, 4 months now.  

Man. And they they haven't even broke I don't think they broke a 100, a 100 plays yet.  

[02:07:58] Duuude-Ron :

See, that's that's I I mean,  

[02:08:01] Unknown:

yeah. I don't know. I don't know.  

[02:08:05] Rich Chelson:

That's why it just I'm I'm I'm surprised because it's gotten out that it's that it's as bad as it is,   that it hasn't gotten more downloads. I figured, of all things, people would just be playing it just so that they could laugh at it and just, you know, just to to make fun and to scoff and to ridicule it, but, I mean, there's  

[02:08:25] Duuude-Ron :

not even that. You know, honestly, I think I think people are just fucking tired of the shit. Oh, no. They are. They are. You know, I mean, seriously. Tired of that. Because,   because that's the thing, you know? I mean, I mean,   you know, it's still going on today. You know?   You know, if you say the wrong thing,   they'll try and cancel you, or they'll they'll   they'll freaking call you names because you're not catering to what they wanna hear and say it how they want it want it said.   And,   you know, that's just honestly, I think fucking people are just tired.  

[02:09:01] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Well, they are because, I mean, they're starting to realize that,   you know,   DEI is, you know,   become it is now actually what the actually   DEI truly means is discrimination,   exclusion,   and, indoctrination   instead of actually, hey. Let's let's   try to get,   different people. Because diversity itself is actually   not even of course, well, I say of course, but that's only because most most conservatives understand this.   Whatever a liberal says, you know, it's the opposite of what they're actually saying.  

[02:09:42] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[02:09:43] Rich Chelson:

If they're pointing at, like well, like they're saying,   Trump's going to get like, they were were,   stating,   Kamal I think it's Kamal or it might have been, Jean Claude Van Dampiere,   Jean Pierre,   and the, the press secretary.   But one of them was talking about how   what they   oh, it Yeah. It was Harris that was talking about how   they're going to,   when Trump, if Trump gets into office, he's going to prosecute,   his political opponents.   Well, doesn't that sound familiar?  

[02:10:26] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   So, you know, they're What have they been doing the last 4 years?  

[02:10:32] Rich Chelson:

Prosecuting their political opponent, the big bad big bad scary orange man. But but again,   they,   they talk   when you hear them say something like diversity. It's not that they want   a diverse   crowd. They don't care about diversity itself. They don't care about having as many different people as possible. They just wanna have diversity   means   a very thin line. The people that they define as   allowed.   They want people who speak only a particular way. They people who only act in a particular way. People who only speak control.  

[02:11:11] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. People who only speak control. Basically, the definition of a fucking narcissist.   Am I wrong?  

[02:11:20] Rich Chelson:

Well, narcissist is someone who thinks they can't be wrong.  

[02:11:26] Duuude-Ron :

Hello again. Am I wrong?  

[02:11:29] Rich Chelson:

I mean No. You are not wrong.  

[02:11:35] Duuude-Ron :

I mean   I mean, damn.  

[02:11:40] Unknown:

Oh, that was good. Wrong.  

[02:11:42] Rich Chelson:

Well, technically, but I'm gonna say no because I don't wanna fight.   So now now,   narcissism   and actual real not the narcissism   that you see talked about   in divorce groups on Facebook because according to them, everybody's a fucking narcissist.   Right. To a point, yes, everybody   has narcissistic abilities. They want to take care of themselves first.   Mhmm. That's just human.   Because the real narcissist   is a fascinating   creature.   No. Because That's right. No. No. They They're not, dude. And what no. They to to the person who is, who's on, the opposite of them, I agree. They're they're they're   they're nightmares. But from,   from the 3rd person view,   watching them interact,   fascinating.  



[02:12:36] Duuude-Ron :

Uh-huh. Because Yeah. Well, you see   see, that's the thing.   Seeing it seeing it from a third person point of view   just even makes me more pissed because I've been in the second person.   You know? And and so so so I can't see it from the 3rd person because I I get fucking pissed and go off.   You know? I I will.   I mean, I will. And and and it doesn't work.  

[02:13:07] Rich Chelson:

I'm not even actually seeing it from the 3rd person. I'm seeing it from, like, the 4th person because   I'm the closest I get to it is there is a podcast by, Tony Overbank.   Mhmm. And, he does I've I found out about this other podcast through his first podcast, which is called the virtual couch. He just kinda talks about different   psychology based stuff. And it's just it's it's really,   an interesting listen. But he's gotten he's he had another podcast that came about because he was just finding people talking about narcissism all all the it's so much that he did another one. It's called waking the waking up,   the narcissism,   waking up the narcissist.  

And, basically, what it is is just people who are talking about and he kinda breaks down narcissism   as the as the actual disorder   because   actual true narcissists,   there are only about 1 to maybe   the high end what what he says is about 5%, maybe   to, to but the closer average is probably 1 to 2% of the population is actually narcissistic.   Right. Right. True narcissistic,   disorder.   But   just the fact that they   one, their coping mechanism   is to always be right   Yep. Is just   just mind blowing. It's like going, wow. And to try to get them to admit to anything wrong Oh. Is impossible.   No. No. And They will they will crawfish. They will turn. They will twist it. They will gaslight the fuck out of you Yeah. And everything.  

Yeah. So that's you're always the one that's wrong. Even if you take and you have a video of them shoot somebody in the face, they will lie to you and go, that is not me. I was not standing there at that time. I was walk I walked past that 10 minutes before that guy ever showed up. That is not me. It's like, but he looks like you. No. He doesn't look anything like  

[02:15:07] Duuude-Ron :

No. No. No, dude. And and   you see, that's the thing.   When you've been on the other end of that,   basically,   basically   being forced to believe that you were the fuck up, you were the reason Yeah. They fucked up. That's there's a lot of damage that goes on with that. That's why I can't see it from the 3rd person. I I Right. I can't be around it because   oh, yeah. No.   Nowadays,   I'd yeah. I I will do more than blow up because I, I mean, I've watched it. I've experienced it firsthand   so much   for so long that I, I know, I don't,   I see anyone.  

I don't care if I know him or not.   I'll fucking just   I'll just go fucking ballistic.  

[02:15:57] Rich Chelson:

Right. Because I lived it, man. I lived it. Yeah. Oh, no. And I I I I get that. And I mean but at the same time, I like I said, just   being exposed to it in that such a I'm gonna say a sanitized environment   of just having an actual doctor who's   who does   who treats that   on a on a rare occasion, and the listen to him talk about it is fascinating because it's like he gives often gives the example of,   when it comes to, like, gas how they gaslight us. They they may go off and,   sit down with a bowl of of peanut M and M's, and   they may go through and clear   all the others out. Maybe just take them, throw them away, and all he all they eat is the blue ones.  

And then one day, you see that they are selling bags of just nothing but blue M and M's.   Blue peanut M and M's. You're like, oh my gosh. My my boyfriend, girlfriend, whoever, my my roommate,   narcissistic roommate would love these because he all they eat are the blue M and M's. And so you buy a bag of them, bring it to them, all excited. And you give it to them. They're, like, going, why would I eat blue M and M's? I hate blue M and M's. You are just the biggest fuck up to think that I eat blue M and M's and would have you think that you're the one who was in the wrong. Yep. When you you saw you saw them for months on end. They're eating nothing but blue M and M's. And now they you watch him, he will sit there and pick all the blue M and M's out because you rose brought it to his attention.   Mhmm. And will start eating nothing but green. Yep.  

And just it's like the only spokes to just have   that type of   of of interaction with somebody. Yeah. You would think you are going mad. You are going absolutely crazy   because you, one, can ever get it right. That's right.   No matter how hard you try. That's right. Yet, like I said, though, it is funny to go into a into a divorce group   and to talk because   everything's narcissistic.   Oh, my my ex husband, he was such a freaking   narcissist.   And then and then to watch them watch them go,   to to just, I when I see people talk about, he's just a narcissist. I have fun. I like I like to poke the bear.   It's just that that's that's the inner troll in me go   and and poke him. I'll go, yeah. But isn't the narcissist the one who's always looking to try to make other people   team up with them by playing the victim. So is that what you're doing? So is he actually the the narcissist,   or are you actually the narcissist trying to get other people to be be on your side? Oh my god. Aren't you just a narcissist? I'm not. Well, hold on. Hold on now. Hold on now. There's  

[02:18:58] Duuude-Ron :

there's a third side to that.   Okay?   There's a third side to that. There is. Because,   you know, if if if someone's in a narcissistic,   relationship   and they weren't a narcissist before,   once they break from that relationship,   you know, let's say it was 10 years long,   they've   without even knowing it, they've been indoctrinated.   They can be a narcissist,   and they just they just need to   realize it and and, you know, get help to change it. But it is possible. And, see, that's the thing a lot of people might not might not even realize   that that they've,   you know, gotten to that point.  



[02:19:44] Rich Chelson:

Well, that okay. I can I can see that? Yeah. So  

[02:19:47] Duuude-Ron :

so you see that you see this you see, dude,   man, that's you see, that's this is why I am the way I am   because   I've experienced   all   everything you said   and more, I've experienced firsthand for many, many, many fucking years.   And and   that I I had told myself a long time ago,   I was never gonna wind up being like that. And that's why I am who I am today.   And because I I refuse to hurt people like that   because I know how it feels. And it's like,  

[02:20:25] Unknown:

and yeah.  

[02:20:27] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I won't   I won't go on about that.   Yeah. I've got I've got very strong feelings.  

[02:20:33] Rich Chelson:

Was it this your first or your second?  

[02:20:36] Duuude-Ron :

What?  

[02:20:37] Rich Chelson:

The narcissist.   Was it your first or your second   marriage?  

[02:20:44] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, no. No. No. I'm no. No. I'm not I'm not talking about marriage, dude. Oh, I thought you were okay. I thought No. No. Okay.   My my life.   Gotcha.   Okay. My life.   Gotcha.   So, yeah, I won't I I won't I won't go no more.  

[02:21:04] Rich Chelson:

No no no need to. So   so alright. So let's see here.   What else did I have on there?  

[02:21:13] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. You you had said you you're talking about video games, and you said something that that that a dude could even jump in on. Yeah. Well, I was gonna say I was gonna say what is, what is I was gonna act yeah. I was gonna get  

[02:21:28] Rich Chelson:

dude's   dude's thoughts on on   video games that that play to   a ideology instead of a story?  

[02:21:38] Unknown:

Well, since Dude doesn't play very many video game,   I really unfortunately, I cannot give you any answers of what you guys have been talking about as far as   with the video games.   You know?   0. I because I'm not a gamer,   I never have been   other than, you know,   the games that they used to have in the eighties.   And that was   you playing against the, computer.  

[02:22:15] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. But there's still a a   a rough   outline of a of kind of a story.  

[02:22:23] Duuude-Ron :

Because I mean You're right. There is Oh, saving the yeah. Saving the princess.  

[02:22:27] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. You got saving the princess or trying to,   trying to make it to, to to, what is it? To   oh, there was one where you're trying to make it to a planet.  

[02:22:40] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, what,   But Neptune, I think it was,  

[02:22:44] Rich Chelson:

you're trying to make yourself get to?  

[02:22:47] Duuude-Ron :

I think,   I think so.   I wanna say you're right on that one.  

[02:22:53] Rich Chelson:

So, I mean, there there were several several that had a story. Then there's all I and granted, yeah, there was a lot that, there were several of them out there that like Pac Man. No no story whatsoever.   It was just the fact just the novelty of having something  

[02:23:09] Duuude-Ron :

that was One of the best games ever, though. Gala Yeah. Or Gyrus,   Defender.   Yep. You know? I mean I mean, you see, that thing, Def say, Defender,   you you were trying to save the people.   Yep. You know, shoot the aliens and then catch the people before they crashed and died.  

[02:23:27] Rich Chelson:

Yep. You know? Missile my hand's trying to save the cities.  

[02:23:31] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   Space invaders.  

[02:23:34] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Space invaders.  

[02:23:36] Duuude-Ron :

Centipede. You know, I had   used trying to kill my fucking centipede.   You just kept getting longer. And the damn fleas.  

[02:23:45] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[02:23:48] Unknown:

Did you have the Tetris?   Were there Tetris?   What were the ones that had the lines that were coming at you?   Did you have to shoot those lines? Oh, that was temp that was Tempest.   Tempest.  

[02:24:03] Unknown:

Yeah.   Okay. Yeah. So what were my?  

[02:24:07] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. That was one of my favorite games. That was that was one I could   play for for hours on the end.   I mean, granted also, it would end up being, you know,   $50 in, but,  

[02:24:19] Unknown:

but at the same time,  

[02:24:22] Rich Chelson:

I sucked at it, but, goddamn, that was one of my favorite games. Right.  

[02:24:27] Duuude-Ron :

Mine actually in the arcade, mine actually was defender.   Yeah. That that and Defender joust.   I I I didn't like joust.  

[02:24:37] Rich Chelson:

Oh, god. No. Didn't like flapping around on an on an ostrich?  

[02:24:41] Duuude-Ron :

No. That that just that just kinda weirded me out, dude.  

[02:24:45] Rich Chelson:

There ain't gonna lie. Riding riding flying off of all things. And having 4 other or 3 or 4 other people coming at you with their own with their own ostrich.  

[02:24:57] Unknown:

So  

[02:24:58] Duuude-Ron :

Dude, what was you gonna say?  

[02:25:00] Unknown:

Man, I haven't thought about that game   in   40   45 years. 40 years.   What?   Yeah. Yeah. Damn.   No. Mine was   who was mine? Gallagher?   I can never remember you guys. Jairus.   Jairus. No. No. The one where I'm where you're going and   to each one of the planets in the, Yeah. Jairus.   Yeah. It's Jairus, dude. Oh, is it Jairus? Yeah.   Yeah. That was that was my favorite, this game.   Asteroids, I like.  

[02:25:40] Duuude-Ron :

You know? Yeah. That you see you see that same with the asteroids.   You know, on the first level, I you know, I was good. I could I could get the rocks, and then the rocks were getting more and bigger and all like that. Finally, I just wound up spinning in a circle just trying to shoot them   and wind up dying. You know? But Oh, yeah.  

[02:26:01] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah. Playing Burger Time and Dig Dug and  

[02:26:06] Duuude-Ron :

You know, I  

[02:26:08] Unknown:

I didn't I I know there's some games I haven't fucking even thought about   haven't even thought about thinking of   in freaking 40 years.   Right.   Wow.  

[02:26:22] Duuude-Ron :

But but see, that's the thing, though. Those games back then   I mean, well, all the games back then were freaking precursors to what we have today.   Right. You know? And and, you know, if you look at the games,   most of the games stay along the same lines and unless it's like this Concord or or these other games that are just going just totally   off the freaking wall.   Right. You know?   And,   like, it   it it it's like,   just let shit be. You know?   Let it ride. Stop   stop trying to   cater to everybody.  

[02:27:02] Rich Chelson:

Well, that's kinda there's a,   kind of one of the big big topics that a lot of people were talking about,   this week is   that   that to have   the and this is coming from, Jenna Ortega who is,   played Wednesday Adams if you watch the the Wednesday   Netflix show. And then She's also playing   she's also going to be in, in the Beetlejuice sequel   at sex that's coming out or is out now. No. I think it's it hadn't come out yet, but   but, yeah, they got Beetlejuice Beetlejuice coming out.   And,   Jenna Garcia is,   playing, I believe,   Claudia's   daughter.  

And so they've got Michael Keaton coming back into it. He's playing Beetlejuice again.   1 Owner Rider is playing Claudia.   Oh, shit. What is her damn name?   The stepmom,   from,   oh,  

[02:28:26] Duuude-Ron :

I can't think of her name. I can see her face. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can see her face.  

[02:28:32] Unknown:

She was, don't play dogs home alone.  

[02:28:36] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She was she was mom from home alone.  

[02:28:40] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. I can't I can't I can't think of her name. So but anyhow, so she's coming back. She's gonna she's in in it also.  

[02:28:48] Duuude-Ron :

Well, let me ask you this.   Have y'all seen the new Twister movie?  

[02:28:53] Rich Chelson:

I haven't got to see Twisters yet. No. The wife is wanting to go see it. I was gonna try to go see it either, tomorrow or or Friday. I was gonna take her to go see that one. Well,  

[02:29:04] Duuude-Ron :

it was   I was told by   a friend of mine down here I know.   They said watch it. It's good. It's good. It's good.  

[02:29:17] Rich Chelson:

That's what I'm hearing is that that one and,  

[02:29:20] Duuude-Ron :

No.  

[02:29:21] Rich Chelson:

And and, Deadpool and Wolverine kinda saved,   saved the summer movie   season because  

[02:29:29] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Twisters? No.   If if   if you're thinking like it's it's,   like the first one,   it ain't.   Yeah. That's what I've heard. It ain't.   And I, because   I rented it off Prime Video. I paid $20 to rent it. Oh, did you? Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. Dude, I,   I blow $20 just on bullshit,   but at least I get some enjoyment out of the bullshit.   I didn't get no enjoyment out of this one.   I mean,   I mean, the lead girl is pretty. I mean,   Daisy Edgar Jones is her name.  

[02:30:11] Rich Chelson:

Freaking hot. Daisy Edgar Jones.  

[02:30:13] Duuude-Ron :

But yeah. The yeah. Yeah. Never heard of her.   Yeah. The whole concept   Yeah. No. Hey, you see, you see the first twist or movie   actually had a good story   that flowed all in line.   Right?   This one,   it starts out in the past   and then comes to the future, and then it just falls apart.   I mean, it just falls apart. And I mean, if you watch it, you know I mean I mean, you know, if you wanna go watch it,   you know,   try and find it on a, Sunday matinee if you can so it's cheaper.   Yep. You know, so you're not losing that as much money. But   I'm just saying, dude. I I I was not impressed   because   you you see also,   like like okay. Now   now you know with Twist or the original,   a lot of those storms all those storm scenes were were were all freaking computer generated. Yeah. We all know this. Okay?  

But in this new one,   it seemed like there was a whole lot more   a   a   it didn't have clear   clear definition on the storms. Whereas in the first   twisters, you know, movie,   the the, the, tornadoes,   you could actually really see them. You know what I mean? Uh-huh. And this this one here, a lot of them were just   fuzzy.   I don't know. It's   watch it watch it and let me know what you think.   Alright. Alright. Well I mean, I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to sway you or anything, but, it just yeah.  

[02:32:08] Unknown:

That's the last movie. I think the last movie that I went to go see in the theaters   was   freaking Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secret.   That's a good one, though. If I if I remember correctly.  

[02:32:26] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   the last movie I went to see in a movie theater was, Titanic with my first wife.  

[02:32:34] Rich Chelson:

Titanic?  

[02:32:35] Duuude-Ron :

That was   she wanted to go see it. I've never seen Titanic.  

[02:32:42] Rich Chelson:

It's it's actually a good movie, dude. It really is. My wife has got some emotional trauma from from Titanic. She was,   I was, I it was while I was still in the navy, but she her and,   her stepmom   and sister,   and Jaden and and,   Jaden's cousin, Kenzie, they all went to go see Titanic.   And   Jana went up went to go,   to go get,   go use the bathroom and to go get,   another drink or whatever.   And she walked down and sorry. I love my wife dearly, but when it comes to directions,   she didn't ever get installed with a good compass.   So she's got she she was born with a defective compass, so she gets turned around and lost   instantly.  

Alright. If she's not been there before,   she's gonna go the opposite direction. It   automatically her hers her north point points south is is what prompt this.   And so   she went to go to the   go to the, to the lobby. So she goes bath like I said, go to the bathroom, grab something to drink, whatever.   And she walks down and she sees this exit sign,   And she walks up and opens the door and it's door to the outside. So all of a sudden, it's their day. So all of a sudden, the whole place flooded with light. Janice is dazzled   from what I understand. This is coming from, from,   Penny. And she's like,   she just opened the door and then just stood there.  

And everybody starts hollering at her saying, shut the door. Shut the door.   It took her, like, 10 seconds to finally realize, wait a minute. This is not where I'm supposed to be. This ain't the bathroom. The door. And and so she shuts the door and just walks back to the, to the seats, and she's like, oh, I don't know where to go.   Oh, wow. She said she was so embarrassed. She was like,   she she was, like,   going in the in the in the,   in the theater because she was just so embarrassed with herself.  

[02:34:56] Duuude-Ron :

But But, Debbie, but see it's dark. No one could actually see her. So,  

[02:35:01] Rich Chelson:

you know Well, they she held the door open long enough that everyone's eyes pretty much was gonna started to adjust.   So  

[02:35:10] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, shoot.  

[02:35:12] Rich Chelson:

So but anyhow. So alright. Well, guys,   I wanna say,   go ahead and we'll start wrapping this puppy up. If you have any thoughts or any comments about anything that we have sent, love to be able to hear something from you. You could shoot us an email over at   brian with y   or that's my name, brian with y,   but over at circlecastgmail.com,   or you can send, send an email over to,   I wow. Where's my brain today? I don't know.   My name's Brian, and it my email address is [email protected].   For some reason, I don't think I said the whole thing. So, anyhow, so circlecastgmail.com.   Or you can go shoot shoot an email over to Rich, and that's with an I.  

And that's,   at [email protected].   And so you can,   shoot us and let us know,   let us know what you, what you think, where we got,   got our thoughts wrong. If you have any other insights that you'd like to add, love to be able to hear from you on that.   And, so but also, we off we run this show on a value for value basis. Whatever you think we,   type of value you think we we, we earned,   you send it over to us. If it's, if it's, you know, a couple a couple pennies, alright. Great. Fine. We got a couple pennies. We'd appreciate it. Or if it's, if it's,   you know, a $100,000,   you would you'd find the 3 very happy guys. But, you know, but at the same time, hey. Thank you. Thank you very much. You I'm glad you found that much,   that much,   benefit and and and value from it. So   if,   but it's not just through treasure. If you want if you have a special talent or or anything like that or if you've got some time free time that you'd like to help us out with, that's why value for value is through time, talent, and treasure. So you don't have to do you don't have to just give, give money unless you have the money to to give and you think that we have actually earned that type of that money.  

You can also go off and help us. If you're somebody who's like me and just a a poor dude, then, alright. You may be able to,   to to   do some,   some digital,   graphic arts,   for us and create our our our,   cover art or or whatever. And we'd love to have you, have you do that. You can submit that over to us. Just make it up and then send it over to   either, either my email or   or Rich's email, and love to hear, from you. If you have a question or comment or anything like that for the dude, you can send that over to us also, and we will get that over to the dude   at the same time.  

But, yeah, guys, if you all liked anything you heard, just please share it out. Let everybody know.   I know that we had a a new listener who thought we were   a good example of of king of the hills. So there, that's kind of, kinda interesting. I'm still trying to figure out which one he thinks is, is actually Boomhower.   But, but at the same time, you know,   But   but anyhow so it's good to good to hear from,   from the folks, and,   and   love to, love to continue to be able to hear from y'all. Rich, you got any closing shots?  

[02:38:51] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Actually, I do.   First off, I wanna thank everybody who's been listening because last month, we've had a 192 downloads,   and that's our highest month ever since starting. So I wanna thank everybody who's listening, who's downloaded, and who's still listening.   And share, you know, share this out. You know? Tell your friends about us. You know? Some people might not like it, but others will. And, you know, if you laugh at us, fine. If you cry or   groan or moan or whatever is, hey, as long as we invoke an emotion in one way or another,   we did our job. But seriously, thank y'all for listening because we love doing this. We're gonna keep doing this because   we can just   talk about what we want. So, anyway,   share this out,   with your friends, family, whoever you know, and,   keep listening.  



[02:39:47] Rich Chelson:

Dude, how about you? What do you got to say?  

[02:39:51] Unknown:

You know, I've I've reciprocated what Rich said.   Thank you for everybody that listens.   I know that you cannot get me to shut off on any one of these episodes, so, you know, I just kinda shut up.   And,   but everybody have a   great week as well.  

[02:40:11] Rich Chelson:

Absolutely. So alright. Well, guys, we'll go ahead and we'll let y'all go. Thanks again,   Rich, Ron. Glad y'all were able to,   able to make it in.   And, yeah, we'll, we'll talk to y'all, next week. Guys' audience Alright. We'll see y'all next Thursday. Till then.   Bye.  

[02:40:31] Duuude-Ron :

Be safe.  

[02:40:32] Unknown:

Have a great week.  

[02:40:34] Rich Chelson:

Bye. Bye. Talk to you later.   Bye.