Two Grumpy Vets and a Duuude

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In this week's episode of "2 Grumpy Vets," we dive into a lively discussion about the dynamics of podcasting, focusing on the challenges and opportunities presented by Podcasting 2.0. We explore the intricacies of monetization, advertising, and the value-for-value model, drawing insights from a recent email exchange with Rob Walsh and Elsie Escobar from Libsyn. The conversation touches on the limitations of traditional advertising models and the potential of new technologies like Satoshis and boostagrams to empower podcasters.

We also share personal anecdotes, including a humorous recount of military parachuting experiences, and discuss the impact of weather phenomena like hurricanes on daily life. The episode takes a serious turn as we highlight the plight of a friend involved in a motorcycle accident, urging listeners to support his family through a dedicated meal fund. https://mealtrain.com/oy14yl

Throughout the episode, we emphasize the importance of community support, resilience, and the power of podcasting as a medium for authentic expression. Join us for a mix of humor, heartfelt moments, and insightful commentary on the evolving landscape of podcasting.

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[00:00:01] Bryan Goodwin:

Hey, man. Hello, and welcome to 2 grumpy vets. And, dude, this is a show that each week allows for 3 friends to get together and live life intentionally.   We do this by throwing a little social commentary   with our own weird sense of humor and our thoughts together   to show folks that living   having weekly conversations   is a good way to help   each other out, help men become better men. And so now on with the show with Brian, Rich, and the dude.   Reporting   on in progress.  

[00:00:39] Rich Chelson:

Mister Brian.   Hello.  

[00:00:42] Duuude-Ron :

I I love you, dude.  

[00:00:44] Unknown:

You do?  

[00:00:45] Rich Chelson:

Yes. I do.  

[00:00:46] Bryan Goodwin:

What did I do?  

[00:00:48] Duuude-Ron :

That shit you started. God dang. I love that.  

[00:00:53] Unknown:

Man.  

[00:00:54] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, man. That was the I mean, I was hoping   that, you know, I might get ahead of the kitchen or something,   you know, and have him kinda talk about it. But good god. I mean, all of a sudden, I had Todd Cochran talk about it, and he didn't talk about it for very long.   Right. But they did all mentioned   the carrot and the stick   that Rob kept using. And they were everybody's, like, going, what was he meaning by that?   And Adam had a very good,   theory to it. So I don't know. It might be that,   and it might be the reason why he is so   standoffish to it,   why Rob is so standoffish to it now. So  

[00:01:34] Duuude-Ron :

No. He's he's   he's in Spotify as in Apple's pockets. That's just all it is, dude. That's just my opinion.  

[00:01:42] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[00:01:43] Duuude-Ron :

You know?  

[00:01:48] Rich Chelson:

So let's see here.  

[00:01:50] Bryan Goodwin:

Get myself a sec. You might take hold.  

[00:01:54] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.  

[00:01:55] Bryan Goodwin:

Hope I need to let oops.   Let Ron know. Hold up.  

[00:02:00] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   We're   live,  

[00:02:09] Unknown:

but,  

[00:02:20] Rich Chelson:

Nope. Full of that, I guess.  

[00:02:22] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. We're getting   we're getting double around.  

[00:02:27] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. I was catching that. I was was trying to go live on,   on Relaxed Mill last weekend, and I was doubling up again. And I'm like, oh, I've gotta figure out what in the hell I what in the hell changed. I don't know if they updated the,   updated button and it reset a setting or what.  

[00:02:45] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. See, I'm not sure, but,   I noticed,   well, say the server settings ought to be   it it it shouldn't have changed anything, but you see because   it it gets,   it gets us real good. And then in the back, it it it comes through. I can hear my speakers coming through. Yeah. Yeah. No. And that's the way it is. And it's like a  

[00:03:15] Bryan Goodwin:

5 second delay. So you're, like, talking and you're saying stuff.   And then you're talking and you're saying stuff.   And then you're talking and you're saying stuff.  

[00:03:26] Rich Chelson:

Right. And then you're talking and you're saying stuff. And you're talking and you're saying stuff. You're talking and then you say it. And  

[00:03:32] Bryan Goodwin:

talk then. It's like, oh my god. It's not kill me.  

[00:03:36] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, I know. I know.   I'm gonna let it run because I mean, honestly, I don't think no one listens to us live.  

[00:03:47] Rich Chelson:

So all of a sudden, we're gonna get shit tons of emails going, dude, we can't hear anything you're saying because everyone's talking over each other, and it's continuous.  

[00:03:56] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you know what? I hope so.   We we got some traction, maybe.  

[00:04:02] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, no. It wouldn't let me get that. We just make sure we didn't get any,   boost or anything in real quick.  

[00:04:10] Duuude-Ron :

We ain't got nothing on, film. I know that.  

[00:04:14] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[00:04:17] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I gotta get I'll go get in touch with Dolby because  

[00:04:21] Rich Chelson:

I  

[00:04:23] Duuude-Ron :

think they finally got the hub working.   The only thing that, upsets me is they went to a paid subscription.  

[00:04:31] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah.   True Fans   is doing their is actually creating their own,   Sam Sethi   created his own,   wallet system.  

[00:04:50] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[00:04:51] Rich Chelson:

So   so  

[00:05:03] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I've I've got, like,   say, a 100 and some 1000 sats   just floating out there.   So  

[00:05:25] Rich Chelson:

someone sent me sent this zap over to me, which was I mean, it's 2 it's 2¢, but I don't know I don't know what that was. Let's see here.  

[00:05:34] Bryan Goodwin:

Zap ad.   Oh, it's a,   spam.   Bitcoin business? Try Zap ad.   No. Whatever.  

[00:05:45] Rich Chelson:

So   out.  

[00:05:49] Bryan Goodwin:

Front end design and development. Alright. No. Thanks, man. Sending me a   sending me some some spam, but,   yeah. Okay.  

[00:06:00] Rich Chelson:

So now that that shit that I sent out.  

[00:06:16] Duuude-Ron :

What is that?  

[00:06:18] Rich Chelson:

To the.   That's the same thing. Alright. So what's the ear? Let me get my ear stuffed in.   So what's what's Ron listening to?   Mhmm. If you fucking am I listening to?   Is it is it coming in is it coming in too bad? Oh, yeah. We're hearing it. Yeah. Yeah. We're hearing it. Sorry.   Alright. I'll got it down.   Call it some conspiracies.  

[00:06:51] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, okay.  

[00:06:54] Rich Chelson:

It's on American heroes channel.  

[00:07:01] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I'm on. Turned out Real American  

[00:07:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Hero.   GI Joe is there.   GI Joe.  

[00:07:12] Duuude-Ron :

Please don't quit your day job, Brian.  

[00:07:16] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, I plan on it.  

[00:07:21] Rich Chelson:

Let's see here. You know how   I need to ask you this,   Brian.   Oh.   Now   at at what type of   device,   apparatus   do you carry your tune in?  

[00:07:39] Bryan Goodwin:

I carry it in a bucket.   I didn't wanna say it's got a hole in the bottom to your Eliza. To your Eliza. There's a hole in my bucket to your Eliza. Oh,  

[00:07:53] Rich Chelson:

I didn't wanna say that,   But you know you know my my fucking humor. Well, yeah.   Yeah. I don't have any humor.  

[00:08:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Just like my fucking humor. You got a lot of humor. You are bubbling over with humor.   You just let it sit there and fester until it's just the right consistency, and then you spread it on everybody.  

[00:08:18] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.  

[00:08:19] Bryan Goodwin:

Like a happy little bunny that you are.  

[00:08:25] Rich Chelson:

Happy little bunny. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yep.   You were right.  

[00:08:30] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I, I, almost   had a snafu here just a few seconds ago. What'd you do? Almost,  

[00:08:37] Bryan Goodwin:

almost,   reset everything?  

[00:08:41] Duuude-Ron :

No. No. No. No. I,   turned on my video, and I couldn't see myself.  

[00:08:48] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, that's just because you're so bright, man. I know. Right?  

[00:08:52] Duuude-Ron :

But but, yeah, I was like I was like, what the hell? And, actually, my laptop's gotta   I can,   cover the,   camera   by just sliding the button.   Oh, that's cool. And somehow it had gotten slid,   and it said, no. It wasn't gonna show me.   And I'm like, well, it kind of has to because all you could see was my background,   which, I mean, yeah, you know, we could, you know, do that. See,   see me now. I can do whatever I want,   but   and then now I'm back. See?  

[00:09:34] Rich Chelson:

Yay. Magic.   I'm magic.  

[00:09:38] Bryan Goodwin:

So So we don't yeah. This is  

[00:09:42] Duuude-Ron :

well,   I'm gonna spend $20,000.  

[00:09:49] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, for your roof?   Son of a bitch.  

[00:09:53] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   Got a a   they was,   working on financing   past couple days, and I got the approval today, which, I mean, I I I mean, I need it.   But, fuck,   I ain't I ain't even made the first payment on this house yet. Right. You're already adding the next $20 to it. Yeah. I mean, I mean Plus plus the, plus the, the,  

[00:10:21] Bryan Goodwin:

the the refrigerator.  

[00:10:24] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Yeah. And and and I've got a few more little things   that I'm gonna have to address probably   within the next 6 months that I've found.  

[00:10:35] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, really? Yeah. Like what?  

[00:10:37] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   in, this room here, y'all can't see it, but behind me,   part of the floor, it's funny because I checked it with my level,   from the outside wall. Okay?   Uh-huh.   It's slow. It it it's level. It's level. It's level, and then it drops about half an inch.   And coming in from the other wall over here by the door, it's level. It's level. It's level. It drops about a it it drops about a half an inch, but it's not soft.   It's solid.   So  

[00:11:11] Bryan Goodwin:

I might have to get someone to because this house is high enough for my fat ass to get up under there. Right. Well, more than likely what it'll be is what, what they'll end up doing is they'll put some leveling compound in there,   and they'll smooth it around until it fills in all the, all the low spots.   Right. And it's essentially Bondo.  

[00:11:32] Duuude-Ron :

Well, I know. I I've used I've used leveling compound. Oh, okay. Okay.   The, only thing is it's a wood floor.   Yeah?   You don't you don't normally put  

[00:11:44] Bryan Goodwin:

leveling compound on a wood floor. I don't Well, that's the problem, isn't it? You don't normally.   This isn't normal.  

[00:11:51] Duuude-Ron :

Well well, yeah, this is true. This is my house. I'm not normal. It's not normal.  

[00:11:56] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. No. Okay. So   do you have you you don't have a concrete slab. Right? It's a No. Pillared house? Yeah. It's a yeah. It's a pier and beam. Yeah. Okay. Pier yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pier and beam. Excuse my,   you know,   English.  

[00:12:13] Bryan Goodwin:

There's very there's very little about architecture that I know, but I do know the pier and beam thing.   So   You have to hold out the pinky when you say that. Well, yeah, pier and beam, but I mean, at my house, it's it's actually held up with   beer and beans. So, you know.  

[00:12:35] Rich Chelson:

You know, I looked at a house a long,   long time ago. Don't even know why   we were looking at this house. Don't have a fucking clue.   But it was a 3 story   Victorian   style house.   It was a pier and beam.   Okay? Uh-huh. But you know what 2 of the piers were?   Tree trunks.  

[00:13:02] Bryan Goodwin:

You you were telling us about that. Yeah.  

[00:13:06] Rich Chelson:

Hey. Two tree trunk just sitting on the ground.   I looked at that and I'm like,   wow.  

[00:13:16] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. That's that's not up to How did the  

[00:13:22] Rich Chelson:

code?   I don't think they,   you know,   they didn't even look at any codes. Nobody knew what the fuck a code was   when they built this house  

[00:13:36] Duuude-Ron :

because Yeah. It was my god. Codes were were a thing. Well well well, well, when was the house built? That'll tell you a lot right there. I  

[00:13:46] Rich Chelson:

you you know, I don't I don't remember.   It was an old house.   However,   to have a fucking, you know, a a fucking 36   inch tree trunk   as one of your fuck or 2 of your peers   Well, it would it's not even in the ground. They're just sitting on the ground. It would hold the weight, I found. Just gotta hold the weight, man.   You're right. What I mean. I There's no doubt that those tree trunks are going to hold the weight of the house, without a doubt.   Obviously, they did for   many, many, many decade before I looked at it. Right. But   yeah. Damn.  

No.   I saw that, and I was like, holy   you know?   Yeah. And I'm not an architect either. I did take drafting in high school.   You know? And I   did. I wanted to become a drafter,   but,   you know, life took me in another fucking direction.  

[00:14:51] Bryan Goodwin:

Right. You went jumped on perfectly good airplanes.   Set up on a perfectly good house.  

[00:14:57] Rich Chelson:

That's right.   116   times   to be exact.  

[00:15:03] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, yes. Didn't learn your first time.  

[00:15:07] Rich Chelson:

No.   No? But I needed 5 to get my wings.  

[00:15:12] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, you got those wings?   You got what? Jump master, didn't you?  

[00:15:17] Rich Chelson:

Oh, fuck no.  

[00:15:19] Duuude-Ron :

No? Why not? No.  

[00:15:21] Rich Chelson:

No. Because   well, you have to look out the fucking door.  

[00:15:27] Duuude-Ron :

Well, yeah.  

[00:15:28] Rich Chelson:

Do you I can't look out the door. I cannot look at I could never look I got 2 steps from the door, and my eyes just leaned.   And just jumped out. And my eyes opened back up.   After you felt the sudden stop. Completely did when the parachute was completely   deployed,   then I could open up my eyes.   But I could not   look out that door.   So, no, I didn't   no. I never went to jump master school.   Oh, okay. K. But Never got my senior wings, master wings.   No. I got Canadian wings, though.  

[00:16:10] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Alright. Well No way.   Let me Yeah. Way.   Let me ask you this, though. Okay?   If,   if if your eyes were closed   from, from, before you went through the door   until your chute opened.   Now how did you look at your,   altimeter on your arm?   How did you know when to open your chute,   Are we or or were you on a static line? Static line.  

[00:16:41] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, okay. I was gonna say, it's one of those where he goes,   oh,   okay. They hadn't opened yet. Wait a wait a few more moments.   Why is it still not opened yet? Okay.  

[00:16:54] Rich Chelson:

Oh, you could no. Every low.   Yeah. No. Every one of my jumps was   a static line jump. Okay. And trust me, you can feel the opening shock   with out of doubt.  

[00:17:07] Duuude-Ron :

I don't I I mean, dude, I've seen it on the movies   and when it shoots open. I can feel I can feel the jerk   sitting on my couch.  

[00:17:18] Rich Chelson:

Yep.  

[00:17:19] Duuude-Ron :

And and and, like, like, freaking rappelling and   using that little 1 inch webbing to go,   make your Swiss seat. Yeah. That don't feel good, especially if the boys get pinched up in there.  

[00:17:32] Rich Chelson:

Oh my god. Yes.   Yes. And that opening shock, if your boys get trapped,   fucking   sucks. It's the only thing you're trying to do for 800 feet.  

[00:17:44] Bryan Goodwin:

All of a sudden, you're yodeling like no one's business  

[00:17:47] Rich Chelson:

for the next 10,000 feet.   No. No. All of my all of my jumps were at 800 feet to 1500 feet.   Okay.  

[00:17:58] Duuude-Ron :

I mean, I mean, think about it, though. You'd be screaming your full head off and no one hear you.  

[00:18:05] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, but I bet you they would hear you. It would be a nice high.  

[00:18:10] Rich Chelson:

Dog I had that happen once. The whole fucking flight down,   I was doing nothing but fucking try   trying to free the boys. Just   yeah. And my god,   when I landed,   I landed like a fucking turd.   But I tell you what, the boy   just   sprawled the fuck out, but the boys were free.   Oh my god. That was painful.  

[00:18:37] Duuude-Ron :

You know, Jesus. However The boys were free.  

[00:18:40] Rich Chelson:

Yes. The boys were free. However, up in Canada,   they call they use what is called a dial a death   harness.   Because it's a 5 point harness   that goes from your shoulder straps to your body straps or to your leg straps and then your body strap.   And they're all connected like a a 6 point or   5 seat belt harness   for dragster.  

[00:19:09] Bryan Goodwin:

Okay. Okay?   Alright. That base one's gotta go between your legs.  

[00:19:14] Rich Chelson:

No. You got 2 of them. It actually, for the dial of death, it was a 6 point, not a 5 point.   However, that thing sat right behind   the reserve chute and fucking smashed on your fucking sternum. God, that was fucking brutal.   But I got my Canadian wings, and we're the last   battalion sized element to train with the Canadian airborne   up in Petawawa,   Canada   before they were   completely disband.   Okay.   So that was that was fun. However, the I can tell you the best   one of the best jumps I ever had,   2 of them were out of a helicopter   at   1800 feet. Those were, man,   those were great. But the best one I had was out of a C 47   Mhmm. That was   at the time that I jumped out of it, was owned by the North Carolina   Forestry Department   for their   fire jumpers.  

Okay?   The plane's   promenade   was   it was one of the planes   that   dropped   the 82nd   into Sicily   during World War 2.  

[00:20:36] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, wow.  

[00:20:37] Rich Chelson:

Yes.  

[00:20:38] Duuude-Ron :

That would be awesome.   Yes.   That   that would be awesome.  

[00:20:44] Rich Chelson:

It was   totally awesome.   Yeah. I don't doubt that. And as you're walking and as you're walking into the plane because   on the   as it related to the v a vehicle   on the driver's side   of the plane,   there's one door.   That's it.   You don't go out the other side. You only go out to one side of the door.   As you're as you're look as you're walking into that door, I look at the wing, the tail wing, which is a low wing versus a high wing like the c one thirties and all the aircrafts that we have now that they jump out of is a high wing on the rear.   The c forty sevens had a low wing.  

So you could see all those dents, scratches,   scrapes,   paint marks   from all the helmets that had ever hit that wing.  

[00:21:37] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. I was gonna say, boom, doop, tink, bark, ting, ting, bark, dong.  

[00:21:41] Rich Chelson:

And especially being a taller guy, 6 foot tall. Right.   The jump master said when we got stood up, when you jump out of this airplane,   you better freaking duck.   You better tuck your chin   and duck because if not,   yeah, you're gonna see you're gonna add to one of those dents on that ring.   That was that was hilarious, but that was probably the best jump. Support. The most   the most remembered jump I ever had   That's cool. In my career.  

[00:22:17] Duuude-Ron :

That's cool.  

[00:22:25] Bryan Goodwin:

Holy crap. That's amazing.  

[00:22:31] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I gotta say we've been having some cooler weather today.  

[00:22:35] Bryan Goodwin:

Have you finally?  

[00:22:37] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   You're getting a little chilly down this with you.  

[00:22:41] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, you are being a absolute weenie. Today. We we barely hit 40 or not feel 40. We barely hit 50, what was it? Yeah. Day before yesterday,   and that was kinda nice.  

[00:22:54] Rich Chelson:

No. What? Sort of low?  

[00:22:56] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Sort of low. That's Yeah. First thing that morning I stepped out, it was like, 58. It was like, oh, yeah.   It just stay like this all day long.  

[00:23:06] Rich Chelson:

No. You're Yeah. We're back we're back up in the nineties. Oh, hell yeah.  

[00:23:12] Duuude-Ron :

No. It was like it was like the low seventies this morning. Wind's been blowing all day long.   We've had gusts and stuff like that.  

[00:23:21] Bryan Goodwin:

Yep. All that energy feeding into the hurricane.  

[00:23:24] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Yeah. She's a cat too.   Cat 3 now. Cat 3. Yeah. Yeah. Where  

[00:23:31] Rich Chelson:

Fictin' to be Where where where's it at? Where's it at right now? Has it made landfall yet?   The last the last thing I saw that it was supposed to hit landfall   at about 7, 8 tonight.  

[00:23:45] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. It's, yeah, it's it's, it's, just about landfall now.  

[00:23:50] Rich Chelson:

Oh, okay.  

[00:23:52] Duuude-Ron :

But yeah. Yeah. It's supposed to be   well, it's it's,   winds are a 130 miles an hour, so it'll be a cap 4 when it hits land.  

[00:24:01] Rich Chelson:

God.  

[00:24:02] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. It'll be yeah.  

[00:24:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. And then Oh, and the new the news articles are having a heyday. They finally got one that might cause some damage. So they're like, oh, yeah.   Oh, I know. Think that it's the best damn thing on the face of the earth that's ever happened.   I know. And it's like way their cream in their jeans.  

[00:24:20] Rich Chelson:

It's like it's like you're wanting destruction?  

[00:24:24] Bryan Goodwin:

Yes.   Blood and destruction increases viewership.  

[00:24:28] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, I know. But but, you know, think about it. What about the people  

[00:24:32] Bryan Goodwin:

that could They hurt or lose their life? You know? Oh, well, that adds to that adds to the viewership.  

[00:24:38] Duuude-Ron :

You see, this is what this is what I've never understood, especially with wrecks on the highway.   It's the same fucking thing. A whole a whole freaking interstate, north and southbound, east or westbound,   all of them will come to a complete halt   if they think they can see blood.   Yeah.   Why?  

[00:24:57] Bryan Goodwin:

Orbit curiosity is what it's called. I know. And it's it's it's wrong, man. Well, I can I get that? I get how it can be viewed as wrong.   But, again,   it is what it is what it is.  

[00:25:11] Rich Chelson:

I know. I know. And and, you know, and, you know, for   for the news   the news   to hype up a fucking hurricane   at people's   like what Rich just said,   at people's   losing houses,   losing everything, losing their lives,   they think it's just a fucking   big joke to get goddamn   viewers.   Fuck   up.  

[00:25:41] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, because if you get viewers, you get advertise the the advertisers see it. I'm So you can charge more. So Oh, I know. I know. Yeah. Because, I mean, come on. CNN   is   about if if they lose, like, something like 3 more people, you know, they're they're pretty basically gone.   I mean, they have no one list of watching. The only people who are watching are the people on the other side, other side of the camera.  

[00:26:05] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   Oh, no. It's true. CNN's about done for. Literally, just about done for. In fact, I'm shocked I'm shocked that,   they ain't closed doors yet.  

[00:26:17] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Well, they're they're catching as many, as many,   little helpers as they possibly can. So and, I mean, hell,   PMS NBC is just right behind them. So  

[00:26:30] Duuude-Ron :

What? What? MSNBC?  

[00:26:33] Bryan Goodwin:

PMS NBC. Yeah.   PMSMBC.  

[00:26:38] Rich Chelson:

Okay. I got it.  

[00:26:41] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   But yeah. No. I I I and   it's I don't know. It just   you see, that's the thing. That just goes to show you   that left lane of politics   cannot hang.  

[00:26:56] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, no sun just left because, I mean, Fox is gonna be right there in the middle of the storm 2 going, oh, yeah. We got a lot of wind over here. Oh, no. I mean, they're not gonna do like Katie Couric did after,   after Katrina where she's in a boat   rolling, you know, rolling down the middle of the street as people are walking ankle deep in water. You know? They're not gonna try you know?   They're not gonna try,   is   Fox isn't gonna do that.   But at the same time, they're they're gonna be down there just they're gonna have their their rookie,   newsmen   or or weathermen out in the middle of the storm seeing if they, see how well they could stand up in,   in 130 mile an hour winds just as much as everybody else is.  

Yeah. They're the only ones who ever brave the actual hurricane or the weathermen.   And that's all you guys know. They're the The weather channel?   Weather channel is very  

[00:27:53] Rich Chelson:

No.  

[00:27:54] Duuude-Ron :

No. No. I've been told I've been told   when the weather channel sends   Jim Cantore out ahead of time Oh, yeah.   99%   of the time wherever he lands   is where the eye of the hurricane is gonna hit. Yeah.   And and he's not far from it because like Francine,   couple weeks back, he was he was over in Louisiana. He got sent to Louisiana, and it it hit right, I mean, right close to where he was at. Right.   You know? So but, yeah, it's it's crazy.   But,   yeah, I don't know. It's just   it   it it just it just doesn't pay to watch the news anymore. No. No. It doesn't.  

[00:28:40] Bryan Goodwin:

So but I'll I'll watch the local news   just for the local, you know, that's closest to to any news that I'll get. Well, I read news online. I'll read, like,   like,   France 24. I'll read some of the international newspapers just so I can get an idea of what's happening in the US.  

[00:29:04] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right. You get the real shit of what's happening by reading an international   Yeah. News outlet or listening to an international  

[00:29:13] Bryan Goodwin:

news outlet? Yeah. I mean, other than, other than Al Jazeera, I refuse to listen to Al Jazeera just because Oh, yeah. One, it was originally,   old Al Gore's,   channel   before he sold it. What is truth TV or whatever?   I forget what he what Al Gore was originally trying to he was trying to prove something that, that,   people wanted to watch  

[00:29:39] Unknown:

watch,  

[00:29:41] Bryan Goodwin:

liberal television,   and it was the one that had,   hope to God. Not Rosie O'Donnell,   but the other pissed off lesbian.  

[00:29:53] Duuude-Ron :

Rachel Maddow?  

[00:29:54] Bryan Goodwin:

No. No.   The Ellen DeGeneres.   Ellen DeGeneres. Not Ellen. Ellen's Ellen's the the fun happy lesbian.   Yeah. So,   shit.  

[00:30:07] Rich Chelson:

Oh,  

[00:30:09] Bryan Goodwin:

god damn it. She was on Romeo and Michelle's,   high school reunion. Let me look. I gotta look this up now. It was it was Current TV.   Current? That that's the name of the show. Or the channel. Yeah. It was Current. Yeah.   So here,   Romy   and Michelle's High School Reunion.   Janine Garofalo. Yeah. That's who. Uh-huh. Who?   Janine Garofalo.   You never heard of her, dude?   No.   Truth about cats and dogs? I mean, she's she's a decent a decent actress.  

[00:30:51] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. She's decent, but,   you know, so I mean I mean, she  

[00:30:58] Duuude-Ron :

she was okay in the day beef   before she got into   Politics?   Yeah.  

[00:31:08] Bryan Goodwin:

Then she went the way of Rosie O'Donnell and just  

[00:31:11] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. No. I don't have a clue as to who she is.   Okay.   Well, I see Do I really want to?  

[00:31:18] Duuude-Ron :

Not really. Well, she's cute. I mean,   honestly, she really is.  

[00:31:24] Rich Chelson:

Fucking post a picture on the fucking   whatever the hell we call it in here, the,  

[00:31:29] Duuude-Ron :

chat. Hold on. Yeah. Hold on. Just a picture of Chad. Hold on. I know. Yeah. I got a picture right here. I'm looking at her. She's 59 years old. She ain't bad looking.  

[00:31:39] Rich Chelson:

She didn't grow a flow?  

[00:31:41] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. For some reason, I was thinking she was, like,   you know, closer to closer to 68 for some reason.  

[00:31:49] Duuude-Ron :

No.   There.   Hang on. There it is. It's loaded. Look at that picture. Shared a file in the meeting. Oh, who shared a file?  

[00:32:00] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's the same picture that they have on.  

[00:32:03] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[00:32:05] Bryan Goodwin:

Come on. There we go.   Yeah. She's  

[00:32:09] Duuude-Ron :

she's not bad looking.  

[00:32:13] Bryan Goodwin:

But, yeah, she was good, Truth About Cats and Dogs.   It was a good,   romcom of a, of a show she was in. Romeo and Michelle's High School Reunion,   that was just all she had some had some good lines in there. So Right.  

[00:32:29] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. No.   No. She was born in 9 Hey, Beth. Fuck off.  

[00:32:35] Bryan Goodwin:

Don't sell me the fuck off. That hurts my feelings. I hurt your feelings. I made you miserable.   But hell, yeah. Go grab your yearbook. I'll sign that bit. Dude, did you see the picture?  

[00:32:47] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. I saw it. Okay.  

[00:32:49] Bryan Goodwin:

I mean Didn't ring a bell,  

[00:32:52] Rich Chelson:

No. No. Nope. Nope.   I I have seen her.   Yes. But,   no, I've not seen any of  

[00:33:04] Duuude-Ron :

her movies or what have you. Right. No. Well, that's fine. I mean I mean, either way, I'd do her.  

[00:33:12] Rich Chelson:

I mean  

[00:33:13] Bryan Goodwin:

nope. Nope.   Take one for the team. That's alright.  

[00:33:17] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. With her? Yeah. I would.  

[00:33:23] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:33:25] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I mean, as   as long as long as she didn't talk politics, we're okay.  

[00:33:32] Bryan Goodwin:

I could forget which side she's Well, there there you go. That caused you to that's allowed you to last all night long. You'd get real close. You'd go, oh, Papa's awesome.  

[00:33:42] Rich Chelson:

Shit. Alright.   That's   that's when you go to the   that's when you go to the s and m and start doing the choking thing. Yeah.  

[00:33:58] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. No. That that just yeah.   But No. Either way yeah. I mean I mean, yeah, I've I had I had seen her in some of her other movies and stuff like that, and, you know, she's a decent actress.   Like, always pretty, I thought, but then again, I'm weird. So,   you know, some guys would be like, ew. That shit's ugly. Well, okay. Well,   if you looked at me, then, hey.   Oh,   we're a perfect match. Oh, yeah.  

[00:34:28] Rich Chelson:

Right?  

[00:34:32] Duuude-Ron :

Hey. Hey, dude. Hey, dude. I'm Yeah.  

[00:34:35] Rich Chelson:

Yeah? I don't know I don't know I don't know if Brian  

[00:34:40] Duuude-Ron :

let you in on this little bit of information   that he sent me earlier today. Got me wound up tied in a $20 bill, and I'm still wound up over it. 20 tied in a $20 bill being used at the Playboy  

[00:34:52] Bryan Goodwin:

Mansion.  

[00:34:54] Duuude-Ron :

Right.   Right.  

[00:34:56] Rich Chelson:

As a cocaine stronghold.   Yeah. Exactly.  

[00:35:00] Duuude-Ron :

Dude, dude,   mister Brian here   wrote an email   to,   Yeah. I know how to write.   Well, yeah, he does. It actually, because, and and I won't read the email because they I mean, it was a it was a long email. Oh, I don't mind. I'm I'm you can read the all read the all the email because, I mean, that's got all the good points to it. So I mean, we're talking I know. But but but  

[00:35:26] Bryan Goodwin:

but thing is dude would get lost in it. Well, no. And that's and and, dude, actually, what I would like for you to do is as we're talking through this,   you know, how you usually just let stuff go over your head?   Yeah. This time, reach up and catch it and go, what is it?  

[00:35:45] Rich Chelson:

You know? I don't let it go over my head.   I don't let it go over my head.   It just   does.   Well  

[00:35:54] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   dude, the thing is,   he,   Brian sent an email to Robin   Rob Walsh.   Yes. Rob Walsh   and, Elsie Escobar over at Lipson, which is a podcast hosting Hosting cup. Yeah. And, and and and a big one. Okay? And and and they do a podcast themselves called The Feed.   And,   now Rob and Elsie both   have haven't really,   jumped on a podcasting 2.0   game,   and I don't think they will,   just because of of the way they they answered Brian's email. Now and this is what irked me because they would not,   stay Brian's website or anything.  

[00:36:44] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, no. I I mean, I I I didn't. I mean, you you see the actual email. I don't actually give the   the website. And I didn't even try to promote it because   90% of the time, if you're saying something very critical,   they they do. They say they say a lot of times, they'll say name and,   website redacted.  

[00:37:07] Duuude-Ron :

Right. But but see, this is you see, this is okay.   This is why   I actually lost a lot of respect for Lipson   when I listened to their answers   because they   because that's the thing.   Basically, Lipson is like Spotify and Apple. You do it our way or you don't do it at all.   That's my opinion.   Okay?   Because they they freaking went through   and,   you know, took took   each part of your email   and and kind of broke it down, which was cool, I thought.   And but but they were like like, on the downloads or or, no, the censorship   that you talked about. Right? Right.  

They, they freaking brought up, Joe Rogan.   Yeah. You know, they're like they're like they're like, well,   Joe Rogan   doesn't get canceled, and he says what he wants. I'm like, fucking really?   What about what about all the other people that say one freaking wrong word,   and they get canceled by Apple or YouTube if they're doing a video,  

[00:38:16] Bryan Goodwin:

you know, or whatnot. Well, I mean, on Spotify. Spotify drops   3 to 4   podcasts,   either episodes or full podcasts a day.   Oh, no. I I don't know. Because they they they you say something. Say you, you know   I mean, we're   if we were to talk about, you know, the the pandemic or you say something along those lines.   If they catch the if they catch the something along those lines,   they're gonna go, oh, well, we're not allowing this episode.   Right. And they'll and they drop it on the pretense that it's supposed to be misinformation,   whatever that's supposed to be, Which is Right. I I deemed it misinformation.  

You may think it's the truth, but it doesn't matter. This is my platform. I give miss I I deem it. Right. And so in all reality, I think they're actually closer to an,   to a,   to an editor,   to a publication site instead of being a,  

[00:39:16] Duuude-Ron :

like, social media site. But that's just me. Well well, you see and and see and see the thing is, I I I   I wrote notes   because believe it or not, believe it or not, dude, I don't I don't know if you looked at this. I looked at this, this email,   they took   over 30 minutes of their podcast   Oh, yeah. To go through this email. This was a very long segment for them, and they mentioned it. It's like, wow. This was a this is a lot of lot of segment here. This Oh, I know. And I loved it. I loved it. You know, I just wish I just wish   they would have actually I mean, they did mention your name.  

Yeah. And and it was fun. It was fun. And when they started reading the email,   they didn't say your name or anything. No. It was because I didn't put my name at the front. No. But but but see, the thing is, as soon as   they started reading the email,   I knew you had wrote it. Oh, yeah. I can tell. I could tell. Be and and you see, the thing is,   you know, they were,   they were saying something about the podcasting 2.0 and just using fiat currency, and you get more with Venmo or Cash App or what's or, you know, anything like that. And,   you know,   they, they had tried to say, well,   you know, the podcasting,   2.0 is marketing. And I'm like, everything is marketing now. So Yeah. You know? Yeah. Of course, Elsie couldn't hear me because I was I was answering her. Right. Yeah. But but, I mean, everything is freaking marketing. So Oh, yeah. Everything is about marketing. And I mean Yeah. And and but, like, when they when they first started out. I mean, on a in all reality,  

[00:40:53] Bryan Goodwin:

if the episode that I was talking about, referring to, was episode 270. That was   4 episodes   before.   Yeah. And they kinda talked about it. They sat on this for a little while because they were, like, going, well, how are we supposed to, you know, how are we gonna do this? They they gave us a lot of thought. And so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna completely poo poo Lipson on this.   And I'll get into the I'll get into it more as we as we go, especially once we get finished talking about the actual email itself.   Well, I see. Well, see, the thing is Adam Adam Curry's got some really good points  

[00:41:27] Duuude-Ron :

that he actually expressed. Well right. Okay. Hold on. Hold on now. You see, Rob   now now now   Rob said in his opinion, all this stuff. You know? And that's fine. And and he is he is very much entitled to his opinion. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's the president or of of podcaster relations. So he's he's got you know? Well, you say I don't I don't care what he is. Right. I know you don't, but, I mean, that's   He's just he's just entitled to his opinion, which I do not agree with because   he is totally missing the concept.   This this is what I got from his answers. He thinks, you know, he thinks Apple and Spotify   is the podcasting   standard   and and that but but yet at the same time, they were they were talking about advertising   as as as not being,   you know, the best model to go with.  

But yet they won't jump on podcasting 2.0   because No. They won't. And and, you know, they was they was talking about Satoshis and stuff, you know, you know, out of the email   and,   everything like this and and they they were acting like, oh my god. That's the first time I ever heard   of Satoshis or you know? And I'm like, no. It ain't   because they are right up front   in in all of that.   They know about Satoshis.  

[00:42:54] Bryan Goodwin:

They know about Oh, yeah. They do. And I but, again, she was as when she was talking about Satoshis,   she was reading it off my email, and that was me explaining it so that Yeah. The But but so that the listeners were able to understand what I was getting at. Right. But see, the thing is, though, is that you see, Rob Rob and Elsie both, I mean, have a big following. Right. And  

[00:43:17] Duuude-Ron :

even though even though   they didn't slam   on your email, which I I was very glad for,   they they, did it very respectfully and I I was glad for that.   But   Rob's advice   influences   his audience. Elsie's advice influences her. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know? And it's like it's like,   let them have the choice,   You know?   I mean, yes.   You cannot agree with it, but let them have the choice if if they wanna find out. But you see, most people nowadays are like, oh, no. No.   Rob Walsh or,   Elsie Escobar if if,   they don't,   you know, agree with something. Oh, I I'm not gonna agree with that. It's like, make up your own mind, people. And I'm not name dropping to be name dropping. I'm just I'm just making sure that that anyone who listens to this   knows who I'm talking about. Right. Because I I don't know these people.  

I've only heard them in podcasts or anything like this. You know, I've I've never talked to them, but I want   I want people to understand that that   I don't agree   with what they said about podcasting 2.0.  

[00:44:35] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, no. I and I agree. And and neither did   Rob and and and Todd of the new media show. Neither did,   Sam Sethi and,  

[00:44:52] Rich Chelson:

Paul,   not Paul.  

[00:44:58] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, shit. He's gonna kick my ass. Yeah. They was damn lame. Okay. Well Anyhow, the guy the guy's at Pod News Weekly.  

[00:45:05] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:45:07] Bryan Goodwin:

Or   Adam, Adam Curry and and Dave Jones. Those are the 3   that I that right after I the because I've swivel I've swivel my my number of podcasts about podcasts way down.  

[00:45:21] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:45:22] Bryan Goodwin:

And so those were the 3 that came right after   right after that particular episode.   Because   to to wind to rewind back, what set me off on that was because   well,   a   well, I don't know. Right before it well, there was   several months before and several months could be 2 to 8.   Right.   Wasn't quite 8, but, you know, it's some in that range.  

[00:45:56] Rich Chelson:

The topic   of podcasting 2.0 came up on the feed.  

[00:46:01] Bryan Goodwin:

K. And immediately,   Todd, Todd and Kelsey kinda really pooh poohed it. I mean, they were just like, oh, no. Well, no one really cares about this blah blah blah blah.   Because   Apple   does not support   it. It's there's no need for us to support this because the number one podcast app out there   is,   the app podcast. Okay. This is true. Understand.   But at the same time,   you could actually encourage Apple to decide, hey. Maybe we wanna use some of this   if we do. And so but they poo pooed it and they said, thou unless Apple use chooses to, to incorporate the podcast 2 point o stats, we're not going to incorporate.   Right. Alright? And then it's like the very next day,   Apple comes along and goes, well, we're gonna be start using,   transcripts, and we're just gonna use the podcasting 2.0 standards for transcripts.  



[00:46:56] Duuude-Ron :

Right. And so instantly, they're like, oh, well, we have to use this stuff. Yeah. But okay. Now now you see there was, there was something else Elsie was talking about,   when,   when,   she was blogging.   It's called Obsidian.  

[00:47:12] Bryan Goodwin:

And Oh, yeah. I've I'm using that. That's actually a really cool   text editor.  

[00:47:17] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Alright. Well, that's fine. And and you see, that's the thing.   She said she had   spent countless of hours learning that and, you know, and all like that and, you know, for for, you know, when   and still uses it apparently, and that's fine. But but you see, the thing is,   if you took the time to learn that,   why don't you take the time to learn podcasting 2.0?  

[00:47:41] Bryan Goodwin:

Well and that's kinda what she was getting at,   was that  

[00:47:47] Rich Chelson:

with podcasting 2.0, there's going to be a learning curve. Like, how do you how it what it takes to use markdown,   which is the which is the format that you use on, like, Obsidian. And it's a it's real easy. So, like, if you're wanting a level one heading, you put 1 pound sign. Your level 2, heading is 2 pound signs together and then whatever the word is.   Level   3 is 3, fours, 4, you know. It's it's really easy to be able to format your your blog post   just by using this markdown language,  

[00:48:20] Duuude-Ron :

and then you copy, paste it wherever you want. And it Okay. Okay. Hang on now. Fix it. What what's the difference between the 1 pound sign, 2 pound sign, and 3 pound sign as well? Okay. So it's like size of your heading.  

[00:48:31] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, it's your the size of your heading. So h one,   if you're doing, like,   if you're doing a web page and you have   different sorts, different segments of headings. Alright? So you it could almost look at it, like, in for blogging terms as kinda slight chapters.   And you got little subchapters that you could do and subchapters, those subchapters.   Get real small. You can go like the the,   an h six is the, is the HTML tag   that, that you could use. And it's just real small. They're not real tiny tiny, but it's not as bold big and bold  

[00:49:08] Duuude-Ron :

as, like, an h one. An h one would be the title of your of your, of your pug block. Okay. So so, so it it it goes in reverse because   normally, when when I think of, like, a one, that's little. And then as you go up a number, it goes up. So this is the opposite. Yeah. It's you got the most you know, number 1. You know, you've got your number 2, whether you got your number 3, a number 4, a number 5, number 6. You see you see, and that's you see, that's I I mean, you know, when she said that, I'm like, okay.  

[00:49:39] Bryan Goodwin:

But then again, I've never used Obsidian. So Right. And, again, that's and the Obsidian is just a just a an app that allows you to write in markdown.   That's and it's and so it's markdown editor   as opposed to being an HTML editor.  

[00:49:58] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:49:59] Bryan Goodwin:

So and then,   WordPress   actually recognizes,   markdown, so you could actually copy everything, throw it up onto,   up onto your your your Gutenberg,   editor,   and it would recognize it and I'll instantly go ahead and convert it over into   the proper text blocks.   Right. So you'd have your proper your headings all set. And if you got a numbered list, it'll do the numbered list, and the quote is this, and and all the other stuff. You can Say that again. Format yourself.  

[00:50:29] Duuude-Ron :

That just that just kinda,  

[00:50:31] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Just But again okay. But see, that is but that here well,   is them   with podcasting 2.0.   And I get what you're saying because But it's it's though. The thing is There's a they're they're about podcasting. So you would think that they would be all about  

[00:50:49] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   maybe maybe not about,   but at least I mean I mean, I know they have little more than a working knowledge because they have people that lives in   and and, and other friends that that are in the podcasting   space   Right.   That that have explained this to them,   I would think. I mean, I I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Well, actually, they said,  

[00:51:13] Bryan Goodwin:

Dave,   Dave Jones and Adam Curry   back in, they were talked about and I believe it was back in 2022,   actually had a meeting with their CEO and their lead developer.   And they were talking about   what podcasting 2.0 is and how and and all that. And they were like, yeah. That sounds really great. We're gonna be getting all that inner,   added in. We're they're gonna add Podping and all this other stuff that's, that's involved with it,   but   it never carried through.   And so they're they don't know what exactly happened, and they actually have a good   or well, not a good idea, but they have a running theory as to what it is. But, you know, before we actually go any further, I do wanna go ahead and just read what I what I wrote about,   wrote over to them just so that everybody has an idea of what was being said. Now this is like I said, this is kinda long, but at the same time   and I'll I'll kinda stop from time to time and kinda break things down if I come across something that needs to be known. So anyhow, says, hey, Robin Els. I wanted to talk about in episode 270,   you had a listener who wanted information about how to make money off a podcast.  

And Rob explained   how to make a bit of money,   to,   explain how to make a bit of money. They're going to need at least   5,000 downloads   if they wanted to, and and even more if they were wanting to make a living. Alright. So then we're starting off right there. It's like And how many people are making   5,000  

[00:52:51] Duuude-Ron :

downloads per episode? But hold on. And and Rob's answer to that was is Lipson   dropped it down to 2,000.  

[00:52:58] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Yeah. And who's got 2 thou I'm I'm sorry. I'm Who's got  

[00:53:03] Duuude-Ron :

2,000?  

[00:53:03] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, I and granted,   if you can list to the, to the,   to the,   the,   the stats that Rob gives out.   There's that he actually gives the mean and median numbers   for,   for Lipson.   And that's all based on Lipson's. He takes the top. The top 1%, the bottom 1%, cuts them off and and   averages everything out.   And so the like, the median number,   is the middle, is so anything, you know, everything above that is is doing better,   is doing better than 50% of the, of the of the subscribers,   and   people under that are doing doing x percent. Now   granted, 2,000 downloads, that is   the upper half.  

Alright? Well, yeah. So a little over   half of the people are not making 2,000 downloads,   if I'm remembering right. I'm thinking, like, it's, like,   1700   downloads or something, which is a shit ton. I don't know how they're making and I I'm not a 100% sure because I'm not I'm not sure if that   But, sir, the thing is, Brad, they're not making any money. Well, no. They're not making it. Well, well, now So they may be making money. They're not making they're not doing advertising.   At least not through the through the the,   through the through the normal ways that lives and makes money off of, off the advertisement.  



[00:54:38] Duuude-Ron :

Well, the thing is the thing is they're not making a living off of it is what I'm saying because most podcasts   are just simple. 1 person,   2 person, or even 3 person like us   that aren't making any money. So you see, how can those numbers   even factor in?  

[00:54:58] Unknown:

You know? It's  

[00:54:59] Bryan Goodwin:

And but, again, I'm not sure a goal, something to share. It's a goal, but, the one thing I'm kinda wondering is that I I always   get allow myself to get completely fuddled up on   is   when it comes to what they're saying about the   about the, the mean and median numbers,   is if that is her episode.   Or is that old time, or is that monthly? Or is that What is that? Or is that within a 30 day period?  

[00:55:27] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[00:55:28] Bryan Goodwin:

And because because there's a big difference. Are you getting 3,000 downloads in a 30 day period, or is you in a 30 day period,   one episode is getting 3,000 downloads Right. Or 2,000 downloads. But but still,  

[00:55:40] Duuude-Ron :

the thing is 99%   of the people  

[00:55:43] Bryan Goodwin:

are not getting even Oh, no. No. Well, at least at least 50% of the people aren't.   Well, I'd I would say I would say that And many and many of the people who are go above that probably still aren't   because, well, they they use their podcast the same way I use my podcast.   It is   to   as a business card.   Right. So I advertise   my stuff. I don't advertise for Texaco   or   or,   Fleshlight   or, you know, or Or Alpo. Or Alpo or,   or or Casper mattresses or Harry's razor or, you know, anything, any of the other,  

[00:56:25] Duuude-Ron :

HelloFresh or whatever, any of the other Hey, dude. I got a pair of Hey Dudes, man.   Sorry. Had to throw that in there. I got a pair of Hey Dudes. I love them. So Okay.  

[00:56:37] Rich Chelson:

So Okay. I got I got Crocs.   I sent you all a picture of my fucking new Croc.   I don't know if you saw it. Oh, the car?   Yeah. You  

[00:56:50] Duuude-Ron :

you you freaking driving a Croc now.   What you do? So you take for it?   No. No.   No.  

[00:57:01] Rich Chelson:

Now to put that croc on a   DJ   platform,   the frame,   the fucking suspension,   all that other stuff that I had at you know, take my old TJ body   off the frame The crack on there. And put the croc on there.   See, the crock is already in 4 low. Did you notice that?  

[00:57:26] Duuude-Ron :

No. You know, I did not notice that. God bless you.  

[00:57:30] Rich Chelson:

That is the first thing that Patrick   because I sent it to him as well.   And the first thing he messaged me back on, well, at least it's already in 4 low.  

[00:57:45] Bryan Goodwin:

4 low is when I have the strap going over the right way. Yeah. That's when you drop it in. That's 4 wheel drive. Absolutely. That's 4 low.  

[00:57:53] Rich Chelson:

Too high is when I have   over the front. You know? That's just the way I   wheel.   Well, it is for when I put my the strap on my heel, you know,   I'm fixing to go   wheeling.   So   I'll  

[00:58:14] Duuude-Ron :

sign up. That day, dude. We just, yeah, we just scrolled off on that. Let's  

[00:58:20] Rich Chelson:

So but, anyhow, so to continue So continue on so continue on with your email   because you only got into one sentence.  

[00:58:28] Bryan Goodwin:

So anyhow, continuing on Before you went off. Yeah. We just got our first we just got the first paragraph.   So I understand   why many people are focused on advertising.   That is because they're being told that if you want to monetize your show, you gotta do it with advertising.   And that's how they've done it on on television. That's how they've done it on radio. That's how they've done it in newspapers, magazines, and the like. However,   there are other ways to make money from a show and actually getting paid   than just using   advertising.  

But again, that's podcasting. And that, you know, that's through podcast 2.0   stuff. That is, you know, kinda And they they did touch on it. You could use Venmo. You could use Cash App. You could use PayPal. I mean, we have a link to PayPal on our on our site. You can go to the Go to to 2 grumpy vets.com.   Hit the value for value up the top. There is a link for the, for the PayPal. And there's also a link for the PayPal   in the, chapters for this show.  

[00:59:30] Duuude-Ron :

So And see and see the thing is, you see,   they were   always talking about fiat currency and then and then later on, they was talking about, well, well, what if what if, you know, you know,   see, we ain't got no money for the month because things are tight. You know? It's like, okay.   Look at look at how much you spend at fucking McDonald's.   Right. Just because you don't wanna cook, and nowadays, a meal at fucking McDonald's is gonna cost you $20 minimum.   Right. Minimum.   So so it's like, okay. You know, go home and cook   and spend a dollar or 2.  

Support Asia. Or at least I'm You know, start at least save 50% of what you're spending. Yeah. I you know, I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not saying support us. I mean, I would love it if people supported us, but I'm just saying,   you know, if if you find value in in in the shows that you listen to, support them.  

[01:00:30] Bryan Goodwin:

Right. And the one of the great things about podcasting 2.0 is,   you know, some people look at it and go, well, yeah. I'm doing that on Patreon. Well, you do know you do know that earlier this month   or I think it's actually starting in this in in September,   Patreon if you're doing Patreon through the,   through the app   on on iPhones,   the creator   is losing 30%  

[01:01:00] Duuude-Ron :

of their, of their income. I heard that. Because Apple's  

[01:01:04] Bryan Goodwin:

taking it. Because Apple's taking their fair share. You know? What they deem fair, which is 30%.   It's like, dude, you're just providing  

[01:01:11] Duuude-Ron :

you're just providing a place for people to find it. I'm sorry. What the value you're providing is not 30% of the value. No. No. It's not. That's that's not a fair share. No. And and I mean I mean, think think about all all the iPhone users out here.   They don't need 30%.   They can go down to 2%  

[01:01:32] Bryan Goodwin:

and still make a freaking killing. Well, I mean, they could even go to 6% because they   because the the credit card processing fees is typically 3%,   and that's coming from, like,   from, like, Stripe and and other places.   There's 3% processing fee and then so, you you know, okay. So you're 3%   from that.   Stripe seems to make plenty of money off of it. You don't need your take your 30%   out of Right.  

[01:02:00] Duuude-Ron :

Well, I mean I mean, look at Etsy. Look at these other platforms. They take 20 30%.  

[01:02:05] Bryan Goodwin:

I don't know if I didn't know if if Etsy did or not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Etsy does. They Can I just add a  

[01:02:13] Rich Chelson:

a squirrel   into that? Sure. This whole thing?   And it is a complete squirrel.   When I was driving today, listening to the radio. Now is this true?   Don't have a clue. It's just what I heard on the radio.   And you guys are talking about Apple Phones and so on like that.   Who makes the displays   for the iPhone?   Samsung.   Samsung.   Who makes the chips   for the iPhone?   Taiwan.   No. Samsung.  

[01:02:49] Bryan Goodwin:

So in all all ethnic Components, American component, told me to Taiwan.  

[01:02:54] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. That's right. That's right. So an iPhone You know, it's actually a Samsung.  

[01:02:59] Rich Chelson:

That's correct.  

[01:03:00] Bryan Goodwin:

Assembled in China.   Yeah. I don't know where it yeah. Korean Korean part there are Korean parts that are assembled in China,   sent to America.  

[01:03:09] Rich Chelson:

Ultra. Right. So an iPhone in essence   is a fucking Samsung phone.  

[01:03:15] Bryan Goodwin:

Yep. Configured differently.  

[01:03:18] Rich Chelson:

Configured differently.   So  

[01:03:21] Bryan Goodwin:

so anyhow, this may not be something that Lipson wants to talk about because I get that y'all are all about y'all are all invested   heavily in advertising.   So, yeah. You you want your customers to use y'all's advertising products.   So why try to lure advertisers to your platform? You're not gonna be able to make a sale. That's, the,   that magic 5,000 downloads per episode is a distant goal for many, if not the majority of your hosting prog hosting subscribers.  

[01:03:53] Duuude-Ron :

And that's a problem. Why Rob said something about  

[01:03:57] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, yeah. It down to 2,000. Yeah. They dropped it down to 2,000.  

[01:04:00] Unknown:

Really, dude?  

[01:04:01] Bryan Goodwin:

That was okay.   And Lipson comes out every 2   every other week.   So the feed comes out,   has 2 episodes per month. And this is episode 4, so it's been 2 months since I talked about it. And I figured what they did is, it was that they just kinda were, like, going, oh, well, this dude went off the deep end and checked the checked the email, and it surprised me, you know, 2 months later with, hey. Yeah. We're talking about this. And I heard it first thing off right out off the bat. I was like, hey. I know this email. I sent this one. So   so but, yeah.  

So there's a problem with advertising that many folks don't consider until it happens to them. The problem is called brand safety. If you say something that goes against brand what a brand feels is safe, they will pull their ad pass.   Watch any video on YouTube these days, and you see how bland the content end. This is yeah. This is again, I think we talked about it before. You can't say porn. So if you're a, if you're a a   a men's coach helping men with their porn addiction,   you can't say porn addiction. You have to say corn addiction.   Yeah. You know? Say And see that that knocks everything off. Or, you know, or if you're,   you know,   Well, this tiers of 22. You can't talk about   veteran suicide. You have to say veteran self deletion.  



[01:05:25] Duuude-Ron :

No. No. You say and this is where Rob was saying something about, you know, well, Joe Rogan and,   Roseanne Barr say what they want. No one Yeah. And I'm like, really also yeah. They are also Okay. Okay. Bring in Howard Stern.  

[01:05:39] Bryan Goodwin:

Bring in Howard Stern. Howard Stern says whatever the hell he wants. Yeah. But he don't wanna do podcast either. He thinks podcasts are is are stupid.  

[01:05:46] Duuude-Ron :

Well, that's fine. You know, he can think that, but still okay.   But, I mean I mean well, what does, does the Roseanne Barr have a podcast?  

[01:05:55] Rich Chelson:

I believe she does that. Yeah.  

[01:05:57] Duuude-Ron :

You know, I that's that's a good question.  

[01:06:00] Bryan Goodwin:

So but, I mean but again, it's because these people   have such a huge audience. They show up.   Joe Rogan is going to bring, fill an 8,000 seat auditorium.   Joe Rogan's going to I mean, he had he he had one of the largest,   live shows   on Netflix that they've ever done. If not the first one. I mean, he brought in a huge   number of people. I mean, that's one reason why he's the number one podcaster   on the Internet right now   because he brings so many people in. So, yeah, he has the power to be able to go. Listen here, you dumb motherfucker. We're gonna go ahead. We're gonna shoot every single one of these idiots and and then we're gonna strap them up and string them and we're gonna do whatever we want. And he's gonna say what he wants and he can offend whoever he wants.   But yet, we can't.  

But yet, because we don't have   the   that same type of clout.  

[01:07:02] Duuude-Ron :

No. We can't. No. You should be The low the low man on the totem pole have to sit there and go, well, I would like to be able to say a cuss word. This is why this is why this is why I get so dadgum angry and so dadgum wound up because of this shit right here. It's because someone trying to tell me I can't say what the hell I wanna say, when I wanna say it, and how I wanna say it. Kiss my ass, Joe Rogan.  

[01:07:25] Bryan Goodwin:

But that's just it. You can't. Out of time just like I do, and and Rob Walsh does the same thing. No. No. Well You But it's gonna take on the side, you can't.   He no. No one ever said that you can't say that. You can't say that, but if you wanna get advertising,   then you don't wanna say that. Well, guess what? I give 2 shits about advertising. I get I I know. We don't. We don't care about advertising because we are podcast 2.0.   We are value for value. So we don't need to sit there and go   give a give a Sarah McLaughlin,  

[01:08:03] Duuude-Ron :

sad puppy tale. Right. So But see, that's the thing, though. A lot of people,   you know, listen to what everybody else says and say Yeah. Oh, I can't and and I personally know people that have told me, oh, you can't say that that I I'm like, why the fuck can I? I'm free white and over 21.   Right. I I mean, I'm sorry. I signed on the dotted line. I took an oath. I defend the constitution.   So guess what? Freedom of speech is the first one in the constitution. I'm gonna defend that right. So but yeah. And but again And it's like,  

[01:08:37] Bryan Goodwin:

there's several there's several different,   podcast channels that I like to watch. One of them is a guy named Ademion.   And he One of the things that he does on his show is he talks about   the   the downfall   of of the woke agenda   in video games. So   and talks about why things like, Suicide Squad,   killed the Justice League, suck balls so bad. Why,   Concord   sucked so bad.   But he also while he's talking about it, he shows videos of the games that he's playing or video games that he's played   that are in the topic right, of of his discussion.   But the thing is is so, like, he,   the,   Warhammer 40 k,   Space Marines 2 just came out recently.  

And just about Alright.   Warhammer   40,000.  

[01:09:38] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. What?  

[01:09:39] Rich Chelson:

Is it okay. It We don't know that. War so Warhammer 40,000.  

[01:09:45] Bryan Goodwin:

Warhammer 40,000. Okay. You can look at it as it started out as a d and d type of game. Alright?   It took, d and d, the those dragons,   cyberpunk,   was a tabletop,   role playing game.   Warhammer 40 k,   is also a tabletop game, but it also had a neat, difference in that they had miniatures   of all the different   characters that you could have. And these were this was a world where   it's just in an eternal   war,   that is going on. And they I mean, it's and it's with stupid   amounts numbers. So you have, like,   20,000,   troops   being pitted against, you know, a million and a half monsters.  

And so these guys are just, you know, going through slinging blood, guts, gore all over the place.   And and they're going and they're you know, it's just part of the game. And you're as you're playing the game, you've got, you're you're you're running your little your little,   battalion or whatever of of guys   through this gauntlet of gore. Alright?   So   so the game   is bloody. The video game is a bloody mess because, you know, you've got all these epic kills that are going on. You've got slashes and and shots to the head and and chainsaw swords that are going, you know, slice people in 2. And so there's blood flying everywhere, but   YouTube doesn't like those like those,   though that red gore blood.  

So what do they what does he do? So that he can keep his advertising?   He turns it black and white.   And it's like, man. And he talks about it. He's like, man, I would really like to be able to show you how wonderful these kills are, but YouTube doesn't like the algorithm, doesn't like for me to show these, shows the show the the blood. Hey. You see you see, this is what I've always been saying. We people can stop that. Just stop uploading shit to YouTube,  

[01:11:53] Duuude-Ron :

and that'll get in their pocketbook.   Guess what? That algorithm will change really fucking quick.   It's that simple.   That simple.  

[01:12:04] Bryan Goodwin:

Right. So but anyhow. So watch any video on YouTube these days, and you'll see how bland the content is.   You'll see how they have to edit their show to be brand safe.   Thanks to brand safety. This is things like GARM.   NewsGuard is actually the predecessor   to GARM, which is the Global Alliance of Responsible Media.   And they were they've they've actually gotten blown up because, Elon Musk sued them and come to find out there was, like, only 2 people in this little   GARM thing.   It was it was kind of a it was it was definitely a shell game.   That   that, that, that Elon that just blew up. Well, Elon,   Daily Wire, and these people   were going after them, suing them because they were going around saying, well, you can't shouldn't be listening to this, this information is all bad information, so you shouldn't be advertising with these people.  

And so it was censorship.   It was like, you don't give these people money because I we don't agree with what they're saying. This is essentially what it boils down to.  

[01:13:15] Duuude-Ron :

Right. And see this you see this And that's wrong. Right. Oh, it's very wrong. And and but but you see, a lot of people  

[01:13:23] Bryan Goodwin:

swallow that hook line and say Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, again, look at YouTube.   All those people keep uploading stuff, and they don't want don't wanna upset the, that part   Because you're not supposed to sell your own stuff   on YouTube, which is the funny thing. You're not supposed to do that. You're actually in violation of of YouTube's terms of services if you sell your own stuff.  

[01:13:45] Duuude-Ron :

Really? Yep.   So so   so you can only do videos about other people's stuff and sell their stuff? Essentially, basically. Yeah.   Oh my god.  

[01:13:57] Bryan Goodwin:

That is I mean, I mean That's why you can't you have to   reach a certain level before you can actually start posting   external links   on your on your podcast   or on on your on your videos.  

[01:14:14] Duuude-Ron :

See, that's you see, I I you see   see, this is what's hard for me because I was on YouTube   when YouTube was really young, and there was basically no rules.   Right. You know, you could do what It was fun.  

[01:14:28] Bryan Goodwin:

I mean, there's a lot of weird shit on there, but, yeah, it was fun. Right. Oh, yeah. And then and then   then they started to clean up YouTube, which, okay, I can deal with that. Because YouTube need to start making money, and they're like, well, we gotta start figuring out how to make money one way or another. We need to clean this place up. And The thing is they they were doing fine.  

[01:14:47] Duuude-Ron :

They were doing fine at first, and then it wasn't until they changed the algorithm   and   made them freaking ridiculous   stats that you have to reach before you can monetize.   When they took monetizing away   and and set it set the bar so damn high,   that is what   that I didn't know it at the time. I didn't like it   because I got I got demonetized.   Now granted, I wasn't making much money, but I got demonetized, and I was upset.   You know? Because hell, 10¢ is 10¢. I don't care how you look at it.  

[01:15:23] Bryan Goodwin:

Exactly. But, you know, but You'll spend it at the, at the at the Lions Club gumball machine.  

[01:15:30] Duuude-Ron :

By god. Right?   But but still, you know, that's the thing. You know? And, honestly, I think I think when when   when YouTube did that,   that's that's what started YouTube down down this trail. Right. Okay. We say YouTube. Let's just call it what it is, Google.   Oh, Google. Yeah. I mean I mean, that's because   you YouTube's owned by Google,   been owned by Google. So but either way, you know, and and that's that I think, you know, and but they still have people every day   dreaming of making it big on YouTube   and you don't make a lot of money.   Even even if you do have,  

[01:16:15] Bryan Goodwin:

you know A 1000000 listeners or a 1000000 viewers.  

[01:16:18] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Or a couple million. You don't make that much money. It's not enough to live on.   You this is why this this is why all the big, YouTubers say you have to have multiple streams of income.  

[01:16:30] Rich Chelson:

Right. Dude, what was you gonna say? Unless you say unless you say, hawk tool.  

[01:16:38] Bryan Goodwin:

And then you get a whole bunch of, of of, attention all at once. Right. Right. But, yeah, when you make when you make an innuendo about oral sex, goddamn, you got a whole bunch of guys' attention. It's like a whoop. So  

[01:16:52] Rich Chelson:

so but, anyhow, so And you know how how,   freaking   how many   oh, I don't even know what you call them.   Where   parodies   of that.   Oh, yeah. Or it Jesus.   Yeah. Every everybody's taught everybody says something about their version of Hawke's tool.  

[01:17:17] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Yeah.  

[01:17:19] Rich Chelson:

Anyway, sorry.   Oh, you're good. I'll throw that in there. So   Thought I'd throw that in there for the cause.   Since the stock price. Wanted to.  

[01:17:28] Bryan Goodwin:

Exactly. I'm   I'm grateful that you did. So anyhow, so thanks to the brand safety. When you start advertising, you start censoring yourself. If you're chasing that almighty advertising dollar, you're gonna have to play by the advertiser's rules, which means you're going to have to censor what you say. Most of us podcasters   did not go in podcasting just so that we could be safe content.   We had something to say. We were gonna stick it to the gatekeepers.   We were rude and raw, and we grew an audience because we were honest as with who we were.   And that's still a lot of who   a lot of podcasters are. A lot of podcasters also like to try to well, we're we're here and yeah. You've got you've got the, I think we're queer. Oh, right. Sorry.  

Well, you've got you've got the, like the the caller daddy,   girl. I can't think of her name right now. But you've got her. You've got, you know, you've got those who have done   a good job. They've,   and the people are noticing that this that, like, the caller daddy girl, she's starting   to start playing very safe. Now she's gone within the last, like,   4 years.   She has gone from just   her   doing all her re editing and, everything else with a with a,   with a co host to her being by herself, still editing all the show   and becoming a multimillionaire   because of it.  

She had   a she hit a demographic itch that was being underserved.   And so she was able to take off and now she's worried that if she says something wrong, she's gonna piss off that that,   the blonde haired, blue eyed,   girl pot girly type podcaster   podcast listener.  

[01:19:21] Duuude-Ron :

But but the thing is, how much money do you need?  

[01:19:25] Bryan Goodwin:

As much as you can bring in.  

[01:19:29] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. I mean, I you know, it's that Everybody, you know, everybody that hits  

[01:19:35] Rich Chelson:

the rich   always   wants it to the next   level.   They're never   I can't say that they're never.   I just you know, it shows that   I've   heard   in   hit   a   million.   Oh,   that's   not   good.   $100,000,000   group.   And once you hit the $100,000,000   group,   I need to be in the full $100,000,000   group.   You know, 100,000,000 wasn't good enough. They're always   trying to strive for the next   rung on this   social status   ladder.   Yeah. Am I right or wrong? Yeah. Yeah. I You know, it For the most part, you're right.  

[01:20:33] Duuude-Ron :

And that's that's that's actually a downfall   of of people.   So You know? It's it's not it's not it's not money is the root of all evil. The love love of money. Of money   is the root of all evil. No. Money is just a tool.  

[01:20:50] Bryan Goodwin:

It's it's what you do with it that makes you evil or not.   You can't make you can't make a hammer evil no more than you can make a gun evil no more than you can make   you can make a quarter evil, no more than you can make a washer evil.  

[01:21:06] Duuude-Ron :

It's all in It's what you do with it. Right.  

[01:21:10] Bryan Goodwin:

That I mean, because I mean, nowadays over in Britain, they don't not allowed to have guns, but yet there's a whole lot of stabbing and some acid attacks that are going on. I wonder why I wonder why that is.   Because you can't stop evil.   That's right. Not to mention, when you open your doors, you just let unfettered evil in,   you know? Yeah. The good people are gonna get stabbed.  

[01:21:32] Duuude-Ron :

And see, that's, that's like over here. They, you know,   you know, the, liberals over here wanna take our guns and all like this because they think, oh, that'll save America. No, it won't.   Because   believe it or not, Americans are really freaking smart, and   they'll just start doing what the Europeans and other countries do. It'll be it'll be anarchy,   you know Mhmm. In my opinion.  

[01:21:58] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah. You know, I  

[01:22:00] Duuude-Ron :

I hate to say that because I know Well, I'd be everyone doesn't share with me. They can have my  

[01:22:05] Rich Chelson:

yeah. They can have my gun   when I'm dead.  

[01:22:09] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, they can getting them fucking intel then. I'll hand it to them, but at the same time, it's I probably won't have it because it always seems like right before that happens that there's a darn boating accident.  

[01:22:22] Rich Chelson:

Hell, damn. Yeah. I know. But again, with what what what you just said, a gun is not evil. Oh, no. It's not. It's not cool.   It's a tool that My gun my gun is sitting right next to me right now. Right. Same as mine. And when I go to bed, it's gonna be on my nightstand.   And my gun is always my handgun is always next to me. My shotguns   are not far behind.  

[01:22:50] Bryan Goodwin:

Right? Absolutely.  

[01:22:52] Rich Chelson:

And None of my none of my gun.   Exactly. And every single one of my guns have been harmless. It's the day they they were purchased by me. Oh, they haven't gone sent on some stupid shit.   Nope. Nope. They have not gone posted on the property. Tell you what. You go   you go ahead and try and come in this house.   You will not   be   my house. In the same condition that you entered. Well, this is true. You're gonna leave a body bag. I will I   will empty the cliff.  

[01:23:27] Bryan Goodwin:

So yeah. Yeah. They will leave they won't leave in the same condition they entered.  

[01:23:32] Rich Chelson:

Oh, hell no. Not even close.   So You know?   Better be tough. When you come in here, you better have already   before you come in here at the front door, you better have already made your peace with God.   Yep.   So alright.  

[01:23:52] Bryan Goodwin:

So continuing on. That's a solution to this is podcast Hey, John.  

[01:23:59] Rich Chelson:

A solution to this is podcasting 2.0 standards. And yes, I know that Rob poo poohed podcasting 2.0   because Apple doesn't support it. And that's exactly what he what he said. Yet it's Yeah.  

[01:24:11] Bryan Goodwin:

Growing as of right now. There are   21,031   podcasts. And this was 2 months ago. And they were talking about it today. And apparently, they're over a 100,000. So they have   exponentially   grown   in the past 2 months.   But there's still only a very small handful. There but there's no still no   podcast   apps   that get enough recognition   to to Rob's thoughts that so they don't need to really worry about it.   Right. So but anyhow,   that are supporting podcasting 2.0 in one fashion or another.   This is the root,   this is the root of this email. What are the benefits of podcasting 2.0?   The big one is you're nowhere near as susceptible to censorship as you are with advertising   because Rob pushed advertising very hard back in 2 40.  

He was all about you need to you've gotta get do this stuff to get, to get into the point of advertising.   And I was just and that's actually what sparked this whole thing was because it's like, no, dude. Yeah. That's one way to do it. But there's a whole different routes that is not that is still gonna be hard. It's still a gonna be an uphill climb. You still have to try to convince people   to provide that you're providing value for them. I mean, we haven't brought in, you know, we haven't even brought in full $5 between us   in in,   in in Satoshis.  

But at the same time, we're still trying.  

[01:25:47] Rich Chelson:

Mhmm.  

[01:25:49] Bryan Goodwin:

So but, yeah, the big one is, you know, we're near as susceptible to citizenship as you are with that. This is because your listeners actually   give you the money. So in podcast 2.0, when they send a boost to gram,   they're sending you they're sending you money. It's not fiat currency. It's not those greenbacks. It's not the little green certificates of appreciation,   but it is a form of appreciation. It is saying, hey, I like what you did. Here's some value. Here, give it to us.   Give it to you, and you use it to keep, keep the work up.   There are several perks to the way podcasting 2.0 is set up. For 1, you have splits. So this way, when you instead of having to go, alright, well, this you show the books, go, alright, here we go. You've got,   you've got,   33%.  

I've got 33%,   and and, Rich has got 33%.   It happens automatically.   Actually, it's we don't even get to pull 33%   because if we have music that we play,   we automatically send 10% off to them off the top. So we're not even starting. If they send us a dollars worth of Satoshis,   10¢ to that is getting sent to the artist.   Yep. And then we get the then we get divided up in the in the thirds with what's left.   Right.   Which is And that happens   automatically.   I mean, it's just boom. Automatically it's gone. It's out there. And it's it lands in each one of our, in our, of our one of our wallets,   which is beautiful. It's amazing.  

So the splits is as if you is so is if you have 3 people in your podcast, the show could be split up by 33%,   to each person. You could also have it to where you have if you have an editor, they could get a cut of the, cut of it. So if you have an editor, you can, they can get a percentage of the show, which, could make your editing a little less expensive. You could make it easier to get guests if they, get a nice price piece of the pie too. So, yeah, you could go off and have a guest tonight. Yeah. You're gonna go on and you're gonna get, you're gonna get a we're gonna take our, 33%. We're gonna knock it down to 25%, and you get a you get 25% of the pie also.   All of a sudden, you're try you've you've been struggling to get, get people to come on the show. They're gonna start knocking on your door because, hey. You're paying them to come to your show.  



[01:28:13] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Which which that is actually a, controversial.   That's a big word for tonight.   Controversial   topic in itself.  

[01:28:23] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, what's normally controversial is having the guest   pay to come onto your show.  

[01:28:30] Duuude-Ron :

Or or or or the guest asking the podcast host to pay them. Yeah. You know? You know, it's but, yeah, that's that's a that's a topic that  

[01:28:40] Bryan Goodwin:

I don't I can't see what you're saying. Yeah. You know?  

[01:28:44] Duuude-Ron :

I because I I don't know where I stand on that.   I mean, honestly,   but I won't go there. Right. So thanks,   you know, one thing at a time, man. One thing at a time. Right.  

[01:28:57] Bryan Goodwin:

And that is thanks to using value for value.   You provide the value. You and you ask your listeners if they find any value in your work.   They, if so, then please send some money. Another benefit that would be,   that would help bring money in, are boosts from boostograms to streaming stats. And then I'll break into what,   boosts and and streaming stats are about. Booster are when people are just send you money. But you can also send boostograms,   which, which is people sending you a message by sending a few stats and you get instant feedback from the audience.   So people could send us a message and you could, and that, that message come in and we go, hey, well, yeah. So so,   Bob Harpsnott is,   just,   shot him shot us a a row of ducks. That's 2,222,   twos,   or 2,222,   sats.  

And he said,   what the hell did you say? And, you know, and then we could replete what what it said. We could have that instant feedback loop.  

[01:30:07] Duuude-Ron :

And and, actually, I I listened to the new media show, the one with Adam Curry,  

[01:30:14] Bryan Goodwin:

after after this one. Oh, okay. So the podcast 2.0 show? Yeah.  

[01:30:19] Duuude-Ron :

No. The, the, new media show where where they had Adam Curry on. Oh oh, you listened to the old one where with Adam Curry. Okay. Okay. No. No. This this is the newest episode to head out.   Really? Number 601.   Yeah.   Number 6 I gotta look. I didn't know he'd It's called what's next in podcasting with Adam Curry, number 601 on the new media show. And, I tell you what,  

[01:30:46] Bryan Goodwin:

now I liked Adam Curry, but Holy smokes. Yeah. Right there. Just came out today.  

[01:30:51] Rich Chelson:

After Or yesterday.  

[01:30:53] Duuude-Ron :

After listening to that,   I really like Adam Curry.   Okay. Adam Curry is amazing. Oh, he is. He's he's simple.   He Yeah. He was straight up and simple. He's like, if you don't if you don't like my content, don't support it. If you like my content, support it. I don't care. And I'm like, dude,   you're like, oh, man. Me and him me and him could just be  

[01:31:16] Bryan Goodwin:

on point together. You know? See, I I tried to get you to move down down to Fredericksburg. You'd be right you'd be his next door neighbor.  

[01:31:24] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Right.   Yeah. He was he was talking about a few things, but, yeah, he just and and you see Adam Curry challenges the status quo. Oh, hell yeah. He pushes back. He is  

[01:31:35] Bryan Goodwin:

gen x all the way. Oh, yeah. He is he is.   No. He he's, like I think he is gen x,   serial number 1,   but he he's, you know, he he's he's he's his gen x. Hey, dude. You're  

[01:31:50] Duuude-Ron :

you I gotta turn my head sideways to see  

[01:31:53] Rich Chelson:

you. Yeah. Yes. Because I've got my I've got the, the letter open. So Oh, okay. I was gonna say it didn't rotate back around, but you're good. Go ahead. I'm sorry.  

[01:32:04] Bryan Goodwin:

No. You're good. You're good. So anyhow,   you have you'll have the audience members who send you a certain number, satosh or or okay. Sorry. I went a little too far. Then there is streaming stats, and this is where you have, audience members who will just send you a certain number of stats for each minute they listen. Do you wanna know where people will stop listening? Because, and I'm,   jumping out of, the email real quick.   One of the big   arguments that people have right now and why they're trying to, why the big,   companies like,   like Apple, believe it or not,   especially,   Spotify   are trying to get people away from RSS   is be and they do this by saying, well, no one you can't you don't know when they listen.  

Well,   you're right. They you don't know when they listen. But you can tell   if you have If you're streaming Satoshis.   And they So it's completely voluntary. A person could go, hey, you know what? I'm gonna stream Satoshis. And you start noticing the people who stream Satoshis, they get about 3 quarters of the way through the show, and then they start they stop sending.   Well, what's going on? You can start looking and start trying to put pieces together. Okay. The only other way here  

[01:33:26] Duuude-Ron :

Hold on here.   What's the big deal? Why why do they need all that information? Because   listening to the media show well, exactly.   You see, because   on the new new, media show, Todd Cochran,   well, he's the head dude at Blueberry. Right? If I'm right?  

[01:33:45] Rich Chelson:

Yep.  

[01:33:46] Bryan Goodwin:

Okay. Yeah. He's CEO. He's, I Yeah. I don't know if he started Blueberry   or if he started Raw Voice.  

[01:33:53] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Well, either way, I mean I mean, they're all kinda they're all together. They're all part of the under the same umbrella of Blueberry. Still. It's still the thing is, though, it's it's like, why do you need   all that information?   You don't.   No. You know, I I'm not there. Yep.  

[01:34:12] Rich Chelson:

You know you're,   on sideways?  

[01:34:15] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. Yeah. Because I've got my I've got the email open.   Yeah.   Gotcha. Okay. So yeah.   I'll do it. It'll be fixed in post.   Or it won't actually  

[01:34:29] Rich Chelson:

So Yeah. Okay. Is  

[01:34:30] Duuude-Ron :

the thing is, though, is that is that, you know,   advertisers   don't need that much because he Todd Cochran said   they've got information all the way down to where you live.   They've got your address,   which I mean I mean, you know, every other company out here does too that, you know, when you sign up online for anything,   they've got all your information.   But but, see, that's the thing in podcasting.   They don't need all that information.  

[01:35:02] Bryan Goodwin:

No. They don't need it, but it they they would they like it because they find they get more information than what they do from newspapers,   television,   radio.   I mean, they they they   they apply the same model to to everything, but there's no   They think that, hey, we can actually   know when people drop off.   They would like that more information. They don't need that more information. They would just like to have it. Right. But but the thing is they still don't know when people drop off.  

[01:35:36] Duuude-Ron :

No.   They can guess,   but they   they don't know.  

[01:35:42] Bryan Goodwin:

No. And that's why that's why Nielsen and,   and and other,   services like that   I mean, before they started,   attaching equipment to televisions,   it was just a it was just journals. And,   Armetron   was one of those, where you would sit down. If you got an Armetron journal, you actually sat down and you got 12 o'clock to to   2:30,   in car, listen to radio in car,   or listen to cassette player in car. Right. And you would line it all out, and they would and so at the end of it, you would send over your your journal back into, Armitron, and Armitron would go   and during sweeps, that's when they would start that's why radio stations back in the eighties, you know, they would do the all the great big huge contest. It's the $100,000   summer right here, z 93 and blah blah blah. Texas best rock. And, you know, and it would go through and that, you know, they would do some wild crazy stuff. Listen for the for the magic tune of of, you know, like a whammy bar going loose and   be the 7 100 and 53rd caller, and   you could be the one who wins a $100,000   of Right. You know, Texas cash or a brand new car or whatever. And so you as a kid.  



[01:37:03] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, hell yeah. Trying to call in every time. No. Hold on. No. No. No. No. I'd no. You see, we you see, I could never use the phone. So so so, so, we we weren't allowed to call in the radio stations when I was a kid. But I do remember   when I was real young,   we got one of them surveys   from Yeah. Brook Nielsen   to,   fill out about the shows we watch and stuff like that. Uh-huh.   And everything. I mean, I don't I mean, I was young at the time. I think I was 8 or 9 years old. I can't remember.   But,   no. Maybe I was a little older than that. Not much. But,   yeah, it's it's just the fact that yeah. No. It's,   but you see, that's the thing. People don't need  

[01:37:50] Bryan Goodwin:

don't As much information as they like.   No. But the by George, they those advertisers   just absolutely   drool at the fact that they think, hey, podcast is digital. We can get all this information. And it's like,   no. It's I mean, you're you have an idea. You've got more of an idea because now you've got downloads. So there's an increased chance that they're going to listen because they download.  

[01:38:16] Duuude-Ron :

But since it's thing is downloads are not always reliable.  

[01:38:20] Bryan Goodwin:

No. No. They're not. And that's they found that out when, when iOS 17 came out.   Because all of a sudden, they changed how Apple did their downloads.   Because at first, if you chose something, you could you know, it would download the first one or   and then as you listened, it would continually download. But if you stop listening, it would stop downloading.   And then when you started listening again, what it would do is it would go all the way back to where you stopped   and download the whole back catalog of all of everything from the place you stopped to where it was now. So if you missed 2 months worth of   of   of of of a podcast that went out weekly,   then you had 8 downloads   Right. That came in.  

Apple now doesn't do that. They stop there and they start right off, where the person started off with.   And this In the first place. Oh, well, yeah. But at at the same time,   Apple wasn't thinking that, oh, well, we've gotta start making sure we   do stuff for,   for the advertisers.  

[01:39:26] Duuude-Ron :

They weren't thinking that. Dude, Apple didn't care because Apple's Apple.  

[01:39:31] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, Apple didn't care because Apple was using podcasts as a means to have,   media, have,   a,   content   for people to lit to to download so that they would be more excited about the iPhone.   Right.   And so podcast was was the re one of the things why. It's, oh, it's free. It's easy content. Sweet. Let's download that, and we've got it all under control. You know? It's great. And while we try to fill in the the App Store, we could have people, you know, have these crazy podcasters,   you know, creating content for us too that they can listen to.   So   they can   they can   go through,   and I forgot where we were.  

Boom. Yeah. My brain just completely shit the bed.  

[01:40:23] Rich Chelson:

You're in a you're in a truck.  

[01:40:25] Bryan Goodwin:

I'm in a truck. Oh, that's why. Oh, that's a curtain. It's like going, damn. It's dark out. Out. Oh, you stopped. You stopped it. Do you wanna know where people stop listening? Oh, yeah. Well, and you. Yeah. And you And that's why and Apple was and Apple does the downloads,   and they they   everybody got a major haircut. I mean, major haircut as Todd Cochran likes to call it. Where all of a sudden they may have gotten   been getting, you know,   2,000 downloads.   And all of a sudden that thing kicked back to about 75100,   which was a great big huge drop off   for those big shows. So all of a sudden, those big shows were having to do make goods.  

Instead of well, we gave you, you know, $200,000   for your not and it's not over, like, quite that much, but I'm just throwing a number out just because it sounds like it sounds big and impressive. But,   they we gave you all this money and you didn't deliver   because you told us you were gonna have this number of, downloads, and you didn't get that. So   you need to keep,   give us several more,   advertising spots  

[01:41:35] Duuude-Ron :

for free to make up for what you didn't get. Right. Well, and see, that's like that's like Todd Cochran was talking about.   This, this one guy sent him an email, and   he didn't say who it was, I don't think, but he freaking freaking basically   was saying this guy was bitching   because   for some reason, he wasn't making his $18,000   an episode   from advertising.  

[01:42:03] Bryan Goodwin:

That'd be granddoll  

[01:42:05] Duuude-Ron :

episode. He's like he's like he's like, I don't know how I'm gonna live.   And Todd Cochran is like, excuse me?   You know, he's I I mean, you know, I I I'm sitting here. It's like, seriously, this guy is bitching   because   he's not gonna know how he is gonna make a living   because he's not getting   the money he's used to.  

[01:42:30] Bryan Goodwin:

But he's not $18,000   an episode. What's he doing? Once every other month?   Right.   Goddamn.   Or, well, maybe he lives in New York, so that's once a month. So   so but anyhow, so continuing. Now you may be wondering what are stats. These those   are Satoshis.   1 Satoshis is 1,000,000,000 to Bitcoin. So 5 SATS isn't gonna make, isn't gonna be a whole lot of money. It's not gonna make you rich, but you're gonna get more money at the start than you will through advertising.   You will get better, you'll get a better community growth as you interact with people who send you booster grabs. So besides for money, there are other advantages of podcasting 2.0 standards. People could be notified that there are streaming of your show live.   And this part right here, again,   Rob completely   missed   what this was about.  



[01:43:24] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Oh, I know he did.  

[01:43:26] Bryan Goodwin:

Because   this is a great little feature. Because if you're listening to a show, and all of a sudden, you're on your on your podcasting 2.0 compliant,   it's gonna pop up and say, hey. 2 grumpy bets of dudes going live. You wanna listen to it? You'd say, hell yeah, and hit it and be able to listen to it live. Oh, no. They were they were saying they they were saying the, the, old standard of,   shoot Shoot an email. Shoot several emails. Yeah. Oh. And granted, yes.   That and, yes, that does work. Yes.   But you have to have a pot you have to have an email list.  

[01:44:04] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And no. You see, that's the thing. Again,   again, a one person show   Just starting out. Are they gonna have an email list? Hell no. Nope. They might just have their mom and their grandma on it. That's probably it. You know? So Maybe maybe an older brother or an older sister, maybe, but, you know, that's a stretch. Right. So so it's like it's like,   you know, if   if you wanna go live,   how do you   send an email out?   Podcasting 2.0,   if because   you can look through the podcast. Oh, that looks interesting.   And you click subscribe, guess what? That person who subscribed   will get,   notification like you say it. Hey. This person's going live. Wanna listen? They'll be like, yeah. Yeah. Let's check it out. What did they listen for 30 seconds or 30 minutes?  



[01:45:00] Bryan Goodwin:

It doesn't matter. Right. But, again, if they're listening live, mix that in with BoosterGrams, which is kinda what I continue to say in this particular paragraph. Right. Was that you got a   beautiful   feedback loop. They're listening live. They send you a question. They send you, you know, 10, 15, a 100, a 1000, 10000, a 100,000 satoshis, however many satoshis they wanna send.   And you reply instantly. You get the notification. Oh, hey, Satoshis sent in. Oh, sweet. Oh, hey. Yeah. Yeah. Goober McGee. Yeah. This is what I was thinking and blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then Goober McGee, here's what you said, you know, 30 seconds afterwards because, you know, delays.   And so they and they could turn around and shoot another 5 1,000, Satoshis over to you with another comment about it. And you could, oh, and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. And so And then and then Goober McGee can go tell his friends that you actually answered  

[01:45:55] Duuude-Ron :

and that  

[01:45:56] Bryan Goodwin:

that you were part of the show. Crazy with the with your ranch over at the 2 grumpy bats, man. It was amazing.  

[01:46:03] Duuude-Ron :

Right. And guess what? More people come listen. Yeah. I mean, is see, this is this is what I don't get. Why is Robin and Elsie shooting this shit down?  

[01:46:13] Bryan Goodwin:

Well   and that's   that's something that Adam talked about in podcasting 2.0.   And what they him and and,   him and and Dave kinda were poking at the possibility   that   it has something to do with the,   podcasting   standard   project,   the PSP, which was a couple years ago,   where people were trying to get together to have kind of a podcasting standard set up. Well, yeah. Address what? And they Just like TV. The way it sounds, they really stepped on a lot of toes with it. And, like, trying to tell Marco Arman   of of, of, overcast.   You know, apparently telling him that he was you know, he he needs to,   do his app in a particular fashion   so that they could get a so they could he could have a little sticker or something on on his on his, app.  

And it really pissed apparently, it pissed Marco off something fierce. And if you don't know who,   Overcast app, Marco Arman   is the if anything, the most successful   independent   podcast  

[01:47:25] Duuude-Ron :

app developer out there. That is true. I did I did I did hear that. He is,  

[01:47:32] Bryan Goodwin:

he is number 3. He is the 3rd biggest podcast in the, and it's only on   iOS.   Right. And he only wants to work on iOS.   And he doesn't wanna do do everything for, for,   do anything with Satoshis. He doesn't think that, Satoshis is a good thing. And that's cool.   Adam, Adam and John were or or Dave were were okay with that. They were just like, dude, that's fine. You don't have to.   But but Dave was And somewhere along that way, all of a sudden,   even Marco   really pulled way back because Marco used to send,   send   $500   to, to Adam   and Dave for the, for the use of the,   of the podcast index   every month.  

Right.   And about 6 months ago, for whatever reason, he just quit.  

[01:48:26] Duuude-Ron :

But but say the thing is, though,   who is the ones bringing up the,   podcast standard,   whatever?  

[01:48:35] Bryan Goodwin:

I can't remember exactly who it was, but it was   but what they think happened is that,   kinda like the podcast standard,   some people are kinda wondering if maybe   Rob   got a little butt hurt or his nose out of joint because nobody actually   physically grabbed him and said, hey.   We would like to have you a part of the podcast 2.0   initiative.   Well, I mean Or maybe or if it might even been with the podcast, standards project. Somewhere along there between the podcast standard project and,   and and podcast 2.0,   Rob just has a   not a quite an axe to grind, but he is just he's really dead set. And I think a lot of it, though, is just because   he is an Apple,   Apple   fanboy.  

He is nothing but Apple. I mean, he he goes off and buys the latest phone, buys the latest,   no,   notebooks. And, you know, he he doesn't buy the the top of the line,   Imac or Macintosh,   computers out there because that would be the Mac Pro, and you could spend $21 on one of those. Oh, yeah. No. It's yeah. You can. So he he doesn't quite make that type of money, but he he gets the latest of everything that he he can.   Right. I mean, his his his   From the time that he was doing podcasts, his podcast was today in iOS.   He still has   the the, the mon moniker   of Today in Ios.  

Okay. But So he is all about   Apple. He is an Apple Apple fanboy if there Right. Was one. Right. Right. But but you see, that's the thing, though.  

[01:50:26] Duuude-Ron :

Apple is not gonna carry him through in this podcasting space.   I mean, Adam Curry has proved that. Dave Jackson's proved that. All these old guys that have been podcasting  

[01:50:36] Bryan Goodwin:

15, 16, 17 years So is so is Rob Walsh. Rob Walsh has been podcasting   just as long. He's a member Rob Walsh is a member of the, the,   not the wall of fame,   hall of fame. Hall of fame. Hall of fame.  

[01:50:53] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. The podcaster's hall of fame. He's a member of it. Cool. That's fine. But but you see, that's the thing. I mean,   you can hold the candle,   you know, tout an apple all all you want, but  

[01:51:07] Bryan Goodwin:

it's not going anywhere. Well, no. But at the same time, you aren't going to be he's worked for Lipson for, like, 18 years.   Right. You can't stay in that position and work that long in that position   without showing results. And he's done a shitty job in in all reality   because he has to deal with podcasters.   Wondering   why in the hell am I not getting, you know again,   getting 18,000 down, downloads per,   per episode. Why am I not doing this? You know, what am I not doing? You know, why am I not making enough money? Why am I, you know,   all the whining   diva like attitude that's all pure emotion.  



[01:51:51] Duuude-Ron :

Because Rob has to deal with. Because people want Joe Rogan money, and you see what they don't get is Joe Rogan worked for that.  

[01:51:59] Bryan Goodwin:

Well yeah. But again but even even 18 years ago before Joe Rogan was around, back when Dan Carlin was the, was the the big honcho out there. Right.   People would still they would call up. You know? They'd be shooting over to them. It's like, hey. My podcast had didn't show my latest episode didn't show up in Apple.   It doesn't have to show up in Apple.   It's it's in the RSS feed. They pull up on, you know, you're it's not showing up in yours yet. It's not showing up in the Apple directory   as of yet, but that doesn't mean that your listeners aren't downloading it.  

[01:52:36] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:52:37] Bryan Goodwin:

And and it was this type of education that he added in because he is the president of podcaster   relations. He is the he is the face   for all the podcasters who were who,   host through Lipson. So, yeah, he's got a really crappy job, but he's good at that crappy job.   And he enjoys it enough to where yeah. He goes out and to the, to, to everything at all the different,   conventions stuff, go on podcast movement, odd fest, and this and that and these and those,   and gives out a the same speed   over and over and over again.  

[01:53:18] Duuude-Ron :

Well,   you know you know people's attention span.  

[01:53:21] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. But again,   he is but because he but he is again such a,   Apple fanboy   that unless Apple   goes, hey. You know what? We're gonna incorporate all of podcast 2.0 standards starting tomorrow.   He's not going to he's not gonna give 2 rips about it. Right. And it's sad because, his and and Lipson itself is I think Lipson's   struggling a bit   because Sure. I I In the last I think I was hearing in the last   2 or 4 years, I think it's the last 2 years, they have   had 23 people up and leave. They've actually had their c back, back in in August,   their CEO up and up and, left.  



[01:54:11] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:54:12] Bryan Goodwin:

Now Dave left, but that was just because he Dave found something something that was a little closer to what his calling is. Dave Jackson. Yeah. So but but I mean, they you've got a lot of people ditching,   ditching,   Lipson. I mean, I've still got my account with Lipson going. It's I'm just paying the $5 minimum.   Mhmm. And, because I'm still trying to get   200,   200,   embedded,   players put on to my moved over to my, to the to the new deal or to the new,   and because I didn't wanna have all all 200 of those, those players suddenly break. I mean, that would look like shit for, for Google. Oh, yeah. That would look really bad. So No. I know. And but but you see, that's the thing. I mean, I I  

[01:55:01] Duuude-Ron :

I mean, I was I was I was I was listening to,   you know, them them read the email and then answer and everything, and and it's just it's like, man, they just like, I cannot get behind this.   You know? And I I'm just like,   where is my pad of paper and pen? Right. Because   my brain started rolling. I mean, it started just cranking, and it's like, I gotta get these thoughts down because I'm not gonna remember these later.   You know?   Because it it's like it's like look at look at podcasting   just   in the last couple years. Well, you've been doing it, what, 4 years now? Almost 5?   Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Look at look at the changes in podcasting   just in that time frame.  



[01:55:48] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, yeah. No. It's You know? I mean, podcasting 2.0 started up in   2022.   Yeah. And it, I mean,   there's been a lot of changes,   And it's like That's really true.  

[01:56:02] Duuude-Ron :

You either have to change   or fall by the wayside.  

[01:56:07] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.   And that's that's kind of the the that's the the the sad thing about it is, granted, yes,   Lipson is a publicly traded company. So they can't quite go   as   loose and fast   as a privately tray a privately traded company is. A privately owned company.   So, you know, they   podcaster like us. Yeah. So I I get that they have to be a little more methodical.   But at the same time   They can still rock the boat though. They could yeah. They could still rock a boat. I mean and not to mention, and   showing how fast   they implemented,   podcasting 2.0,   transcript standard.  

It doesn't take that much work   to implement   podcast 2.0,   tags.  

[01:57:07] Duuude-Ron :

No. It doesn't.  

[01:57:08] Bryan Goodwin:

It doesn't. I mean, it it's good. It would take a little bit of work. I get it. And it's gonna be a lot of bit of manpower   and the and the developers   are, you know, would get a little extra bump in the, in the pay, which   there's hurting in money because they just sold off   they also sold off a part of their they actually had a hosting service for for webs,   websites, which I never heard of.   But, they sold that off Neither.   Back in August also,   for an undisclosed amount of money. But anyhow, they're they're   peeling crap off left and right. So something tells me they're, they're not   in the best of shape.  

And I think some of it is because they're being so rigid.  

[01:57:56] Duuude-Ron :

That very well could be.   That that very well could be. And then see, that's the thing, though. You know?   A lot of us know   that,   as long as you stay in your comfort zone, you're not gonna grow. You're not. Yeah.   You you you are not gonna do anything with your life if you stay in your comfort zone. You have to force yourself to get out of your comfort zone   and   to grow and and and in order to experience new things. Will it all be good? No. It's not all gonna be good. But a lot of it will, and over time, guess what? The good does come.   You know?  

Yeah. Eventually, it does. It's it's as simple as that, but but but no one wants to everyone wants it right now. I gotta have it now. I I   I have to have the good now, the good now.  

[01:58:50] Bryan Goodwin:

You know what? You gotta eat shit for a lot of fucking years. You gotta you gotta have a fair set a fair amount of shit sandwiches before you actually get to eat get that filet mignon.   And, and that's a a lot of people struggle. I mean and I we like to joke around and say, yeah, those young kids, they're all about the microwave generation, stuff like that. No.   It was the, you know, the everybody   wants to have it as easy as possible. That's just human nature.   Right. Right. But to to recognize that it's would do you better to the the better route   is that long,   hard, steep, rocky road.  

Yeah. It's gonna take a lot of blood, sweat, tears, probably gonna fall down, bust your ass both times. It's still go you're still going to have a better view from up there than if you take the long meandering road around the base of the mountain.  

[01:59:44] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. The, easy route and have life all good and then Yeah. And then all the crap at top because you bypassed it.  

[01:59:53] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. But you've got the better views at the top of the mountain. Oh, yeah. But but  

[01:59:58] Duuude-Ron :

see this you see,   life is like life is like an off road trail. Box chocolate.   Well, yeah, that too, but but no.   Life is like   life is like an off road trail.   You can go through the deep mud hole,   take a damn good chance of getting stuck, or you can take the bypass   and make it easy on yourself.   But what you're not realizing   is if you're missing a good story,   You're not only missing a good story,   but later on down,   you still might have to go through that shit   in order to get out on the other side. So why not why not go through, get the good story, go on,   get another good story. Oh my god. You've got stories for years.  

Hell, yeah. You know? I mean, so I I see this  

[02:00:52] Bryan Goodwin:

taking a bypass is not always the best way to do it. No. It's not. It's it it And honestly, it never is. The one of the best way best ways to make a decision   is   if you're posed with 2, 3, 4 different options,   which one is the hardest? Which one do you not wanna do?  

[02:01:13] Duuude-Ron :

That's the one you're That  

[02:01:15] Bryan Goodwin:

one. Because that's gonna be the right choice.  

[02:01:17] Duuude-Ron :

Right. And and the thing is, once you do that and master that,   guess what? Things get easier after that because   the next obstacle   or the next choice you have, oh, that's not   as bad. I mean, yeah, it sucks, but I'd I went through worse back there. That's what it gets easier. And if you keep doing that in life,   by the time you get our age, oh, shit.   Things get quite a bit easier  

[02:01:45] Bryan Goodwin:

for the most part. For the most part. Yeah. I was gonna say you freak a little bit more when you get out of bed, but that's, you know, that's the Right. Hell.  

[02:01:54] Rich Chelson:

Hell, I creep all day long.  

[02:01:56] Duuude-Ron :

What you talking about?   But yeah. No. It's just but you see, that's the thing. You know? People just think, oh, no. I gotta have all the good stuff now. It's like, no.  

[02:02:06] Bryan Goodwin:

No. Hold off, man. Hold Yeah. You know, if you if you if you hold if you resist eating that cookie now, you're gonna get 3 here in a here in a little bit.  

[02:02:17] Duuude-Ron :

Right? And   who wants   I don't know of anybody who doesn't want 3 cookies.  

[02:02:22] Bryan Goodwin:

I'd rather have the 3 cookies than just the one.  

[02:02:25] Duuude-Ron :

Well, by god.   I'm   out of brownies.  

[02:02:30] Rich Chelson:

Thanks. Oh, no.  

[02:02:31] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. I know. I I ate them. Worse than they eating a brownie than getting the munchies and eating all the brownies.   Right. Right. Yeah. That's that's just yeah. Sat there watching the walls for you for   a a day and a half.  

[02:02:46] Duuude-Ron :

Good.   Yeah. No. It just, yeah. I I just yeah. I got, man.   You know, it it just   I wish people wasn't so hung up on,   you know,   having to worry about what what everyone else thinks. Right. You know, it's a full time job worrying about   yourself.   Why do you wanna add   another full time job worrying about what everyone else thinks? Yeah. Because and especially for  

[02:03:16] Bryan Goodwin:

what makes it so surprising for folks is when they realize that the other people they're worried about that are thinking about them   aren't thinking about them. No. They're not.   They don't. They don't They're too busy with their own shit that they're Right.  

[02:03:31] Rich Chelson:

They're too worried about thinking about their shit to worry about your shit. Exactly. You know? It's like it's like so why are you worried about and you see, that's like that's like with politics. Same way.  

[02:03:42] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I mean and and I'll keep saying it   till the day I die, probably,   you know, till ripe old age of however old I get   is 11ty.   11ty. There I I like that number. But the thing is, we're not gonna change anything.   We're gonna have the same shit   until   we all get together and agree on at least one thing.   No. 7% of us.   7% of us can change  

[02:04:11] Unknown:

Yeah. Something.  

[02:04:13] Duuude-Ron :

But   until that happens, guess what?   Nothing's gonna change. Live your life.   Go on and go to the grocery store.   Yeah. It's gonna cost you a nice load of money. Well, suck it up and drive home, baby.   You know?   And gas is gonna be 3, $4 a gallon. Suck it up and drive on and live your life.   Stop letting everybody and everything else dictate what you do, how you do it, and what you think about it.   You don't like it? Fine. Yeah. I don't like it either, but you don't hear me  

[02:04:45] Bryan Goodwin:

over here crying, boohooing in my beer. No. If you don't like it, then find a way to fix the problem. You would probably make your $1,000,000 if you find the way of fixing the problem instead of just sitting there bitching about it. Right. Right. I mean, that's how people become   move up in, in in companies is, oh, well, there's we have run into this problem. Well, here's a better way to make the with the doohickey and the and the and the what about hatchet.   Right. Okay. Well, there you go. Well, congratulations. You're now head of production for this.  

[02:05:17] Duuude-Ron :

You know you know something I read on Facebook? It was a meme.   And, it it it said it says,   small minds talk about people.   Mediocre minds   talk about ideas.   Intelligent   minds talk about solutions.   Talk about solutions. Yeah.   If you think about that, that  

[02:05:38] Bryan Goodwin:

I mean, there's only 3 categories. Pick 1, people. Which one? Does that say about us or with us stand sitting around bitching about everything?  

[02:05:48] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you know,  

[02:05:50] Bryan Goodwin:

we've got we've got We just we we just What what were we saying just a moment ago? I don't know. We we we were talking about how smart everybody is when they bitch about stuff. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. No. We, yeah, we're just a bunch of bioches.  

[02:06:06] Duuude-Ron :

No. And and say yeah. Yeah. We, yeah, we bitch about a lot of stuff or kinda like that. But but but but we also talk about ideas,   and we do talk about solutions,   possible solutions.   So, I mean, we're we've   we touch on every every   you know, we've got our small mind   time. We got the we got moving time. And then we've got the intelligent time, which doesn't come out too often. It's it's it's a rare occasion. But Right. Right. But, you know, it does come out.   But yeah. No. I just you see, that's the thing. You know? And and, you know, I just I just hope   whoever's listening to us, Ram Alon, and whine and moan and bitch and all like that are actually just laughing at us thinking that, you know, we're just some freaking freaking crazy old gen xers.  



[02:06:57] Rich Chelson:

You know?  

[02:06:58] Bryan Goodwin:

And everything. But I have to say, it's kinda we we beat, we beat,   Rob and Elsie, though. How's that? We spent 30 minutes talking about it. We just spent an hour and a half.  

[02:07:12] Duuude-Ron :

No. And and, you know, I'm like I said, I'm like Holy crap. Rob and Elsie do,   you you know, do good at what they do, but   I I just I just I just couldn't get behind what   what they were saying about this. I mean Oh, no. I and I'm with you. I'm still listen to them. Yeah. Yeah. I will still listen to them. But, you know, this is just something I I couldn't get by. You know? Just a little too close minded.   Yeah. And and and it was funny when when I got done with this,   one of Rob's last statement on this subject before they moved on, he's   like, let the flay lens begin. Yeah. He he knew. He knew by his statements   he was gonna get  

[02:07:56] Bryan Goodwin:

crap about this. I mean Oh, absolutely.  

[02:07:58] Duuude-Ron :

And and everything. And so he's like, hey. This is the way I think, and that's fine. You know? But but, yeah, he knew. He's like, yep. Let   everything begin.  

[02:08:08] Bryan Goodwin:

James Cridland. That's his damn name. Good grief. Oh, yeah. Yeah. From Pod News.   So, yeah, I'm close to what you think about it. It it takes the gears a a moment to to to finally catch you in, but we're we're we're there. James Cridland. Yeah. Drink more. Oh, where I was pulling Paul. I'll I no?   Yeah. 1 there's an old pod old podcaster,   used to put out a lot of a lot of content, but his name his first name is Paul.  

[02:08:35] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.  

[02:08:37] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. So anyhow.  

[02:08:39] Duuude-Ron :

But,   yeah, I just I just thought I just thought it was funny, like I said, because when   when I heard him start to read this email,   I caught I mean, I knew exactly this was your email because Oh, yes.   It sounded like me. Oh, it did. It did. Oh, and I'm and and the wording, everything, and, I mean, they didn't even have to say your name. And I and I was just like, oh my god. Because   I'm like, this is Brian.   And and it I I, I listened as a as, Elsie Reddy,   and I was just like, dude,   you put some thought into that email.  

[02:09:20] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, I was well, because I had to rewrite it 3 times because the first one was I was pissed.   Oh, I I beg. I was I mean, it's like, goddamn, man. You went on come on, Rob. I know you're not a big fan of it, but you could've just you could've talked about,   you know, other options. But, no, you were just hammering home, advertising, advertising, advertising. And it's like, you you bashed her you bashed her hopes and dreams into the dirt instead of going, hey. You know what?   You could you could you won't be making a lot of money, but you'll start making some money   Right. You know,   with with podcast 2.0.  



[02:09:56] Duuude-Ron :

And see, that's the thing. When I heard this email,   I'm like I'm like, yeah. I could never write something that eloquent.  

[02:10:04] Bryan Goodwin:

That wasn't eloquent. That was  

[02:10:06] Duuude-Ron :

Oh. That there was a lot of hit in there. So Right. And this is me we're talking about. Yeah. No. I did I did catch some of the hit   in there. You know? But but for me, that's normal.   You know? But still, it's it's like you wrote it a whole lot better than I would have because I'd have scrolled so bad, they'd have thrown it in the trash. It never would have made the show.   I've I've even   I would have had to use chat gpt   to write a form.  

[02:10:36] Bryan Goodwin:

Send me   act as a as a sensible,   grown,   highly educated,   statesman   and write a complaint letter that,   exemplifies   the, glories of, podcasting   2 point o.   You know what? I might have to try that. See what it does. It comes up with it probably go, what is podcasting 2.0?  

[02:11:00] Duuude-Ron :

Well, no. No. Because,   I've got I,  

[02:11:04] Bryan Goodwin:

I have paid for, Oh, you paid for it. So, yeah, you get the latest stuff. Yeah. I get the latest stuff. I only I'm only good up to 2 2017. So  

[02:11:14] Duuude-Ron :

Are you sure?  

[02:11:16] Bryan Goodwin:

2017 or 2019. It's an odd number. I I know that, and it's not 20 twenties.  

[02:11:21] Duuude-Ron :

So Okay. But yeah. No. No. I,   I,   I had decided to,   pay for it. It's well, I'd gotten a a free trial, I think,   And,   I just let it roll.   Yeah. Because because   because for my next show   that that I'm still working on, I, I asked it to write an outline and everything, and, oh my god, it it the, pro version just, yeah, it was like   everything was right there and it filled out   ease, easily for me to understand.   And of course, yeah, I could make changes   as I want because it's my show, but Right.   But yeah. No. It reads   the the outline reads perfect.  



[02:12:07] Bryan Goodwin:

Right. And it Did find something really, really funny, though What's that? About about AI because I was playing around with Claude AI   And,   did the,   pretend you're, pretend you're a a, I think it was a a coach because I was looking for questions,   to to kinda use,   as kind of a just a brain starter for different,   different,   segments. It's like, could you,   think of 5 questions couples wanna know about, you know, building a better intimacy,   building more intimacy? And he's like, alright. Well, let me put on my my coaching cap,   and, now we will and just he went they the AI just kinda did this little pompous little little bit little bit as he got himself.  

Or no. No. That's what it was. It was,   if you were a dad,   pretend you're a dad with 2 kids and you were in a struggling marriage. And he was like, alright. Well, I just got finished putting my 2 bratty   kids to the to bed. And me and the wife have had our fight for the night, and I'm trying to figure   I was like, oh my god. But Oh my god. Put a little personality into it. There you go. It was actually kinda funny of all things. So, I mean, Claude Claude dot ai, the people, are, not perplexity. What is it?   Oh, shit. I can't remember the name of the company.  

Who do, Claude? I,   starts with an a.   That's all I can remember.  

[02:13:38] Duuude-Ron :

Hang on.  

[02:13:40] Rich Chelson:

Asshole?  

[02:13:41] Bryan Goodwin:

No. No. Not quite. Not quite that.  

[02:13:44] Duuude-Ron :

Let me look it up.   This almost looks like that   that one company.  

[02:13:54] Bryan Goodwin:

Right. At the bottom.   A p a  

[02:14:05] Duuude-Ron :

mhmm.   I'm on   here at company.   Oh, a n t h r o p stroke c.   Anthropic  

[02:14:20] Bryan Goodwin:

spelled Yeah. Anthropic. That's what it was. Yeah.  

[02:14:24] Duuude-Ron :

Anthropic is a AI safety and research company.   Yeah. They build reliable   and   yeah.   And terrible AI systems.  

[02:14:39] Bryan Goodwin:

There was a new one that came out,   and,   Adam Curry was talking about it to John C. DeBORAC.   Well, I knew book L M.  

[02:14:57] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah. He did. He did mention something about that. Where The on the new media show. Yeah. Where where you can actually do  

[02:15:06] Bryan Goodwin:

AI podcast. And it's it's very much,   the,   the whole,   PBS   or   national public NPR, national public radio style.   So   the it'll and it can only cut does these apparently, these 2 voices, dude and the chick. And so it's like so today, we're doing a deep dive on,   you know,   mole might and mole rats in in the field.   Oh,   tell me more about that.   Yeah. Well, apparently, according to so and so so and so, that's mole rats have been doing a lot of damage over in the corn fields up in Iowa.   Iowa of all places, you know, and it's just really just you see where they pulled the, the information from. It's like all NPR bullshit.   But at the same time, it is so   off the targe,   tops, off the charts cheesy   that it breaks the cheese needle.  



[02:16:05] Duuude-Ron :

So Right. And and well well, he was saying he was saying on the, new media show about it. He's like he's like, you know, it'll do the first version kind of Oh, yeah. Talk about model collapse. But but   but if you if you run it back through,   and he he said by the 3rd time, oh my god. Yeah. It's it's  

[02:16:26] Bryan Goodwin:

it's nothing more what you originally wanted it to be. Oh, no. No. But but you know what?  

[02:16:32] Duuude-Ron :

That could actually   be that could actually be made into a comedy podcast.  

[02:16:38] Bryan Goodwin:

So but, yeah, that's the the whole thing about model collapse, and that's why,   that's and I actually think that's one reason why   Google is making everybody mark their their stuff with AI if you use any type of AI in it.   So they can go, oh, that's that's AI. We don't wanna touch that. Oh, they wrote this with AI. We don't wanna touch that either.  

[02:17:02] Duuude-Ron :

And see, that's where that's where, Todd Cochran and Rob Greenlee,   they was talking about that, you know, maybe in the future that that   they would, you know, you'd   and you see, that's the thing. Adam Curry says AI   is going to be a big part of our lives. It's not going away.  

[02:17:22] Bryan Goodwin:

No. It's just well, it's gonna but it's gonna crash after you listen to him and and John C. Dvorak talk. Yeah. It's going to it's gonna crash here here soon enough because one, it's too fucking expensive to run.   They need,   you know,   terajoules   upon terajoules   upon terajoules of, of of energy   to be able to run   AI the way it needs to be run.   But It has so much processing power to get that thing that it's actually impossible.  

[02:17:56] Duuude-Ron :

What about   what about these quantum computers?  

[02:18:00] Bryan Goodwin:

They can run it. No. The quantum computers don't even work.   It takes you you get you get,   you get they like, Google's quantum computer,   it they can run it for a little while, and then it falls apart.   Really? It's not running it's it's not stable. No nowhere near stable. So it Okay. So now they I mean, it's   it's nowhere near the   the power that they need to have. And they're you're getting people talking about, well, we're we're gonna, set up,   data centers and and we're gonna need, you know,   you know, a 100000000,   gigawatts power to be able to run this thing and and   and the infrastructure for that. No. No. We don't. We I mean, hell.  

California   struggle on just trying to keep power off for the people, but let alone   data source data centers.  

[02:18:58] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Yeah. You just say you're changing a lot of that.   I'm just Oh my gosh. Yeah. Oh, you did. I mean,  

[02:19:07] Bryan Goodwin:

I know. I, I understood exactly what you were saying, but, yeah, you just say you're Well, that explains why I saw you. You were set there, and I got finished, and you were less like   Processing.   Processing.   Yeah, dude. You just said it. You were trying   Right.  

[02:19:26] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Because my brain was I mean, I was I was following along, and then   you started breaking up. We got a good traffic. And and then it would, like, skip a little. Okay. Okay. I got that. Go back. I got that. Go back. And then he got done, and I was finishing processing.   Oh my god. Man, some of the shit we go through, dude.  

[02:19:50] Rich Chelson:

That's funny.  

[02:19:52] Bryan Goodwin:

That's funnier than God. How are we gonna handle this whenever I finally get out of the truck?  

[02:19:58] Duuude-Ron :

Dude, why is she gonna say a damn good question.  

[02:20:01] Rich Chelson:

You know, we can't you know what? I don't think we've had one episode where we've actually stayed on fucking point for anything.  

[02:20:09] Bryan Goodwin:

I could be wrong. Oh, we're supposed to stay on point?  

[02:20:13] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I   no. Alright.  

[02:20:18] Unknown:

Oh, hang on. Hang on.  

[02:20:23] Duuude-Ron :

Maybe our trailer.   Yeah. Yeah. That's right. The trailer is the only thing that has stayed on point because I'm I'm trying to tell because it was only, like, 30 seconds long.  

[02:20:33] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Right.  

[02:20:35] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. I mean   and, you know, so so yeah. I think yeah. No. We we   I don't think we've stayed on one point.  

[02:20:45] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. We've always squirreled. Oh, hell yeah. That's the fun of it. I was like, watch watch AI's transcript try to keep up whenever it does the summary. I was like, well, they talked about this, and then they wandered over over there onto this top. Oh, and then we went right back to the main topic, and then they wandered off to the left field for low. Hey. They're back.  

[02:21:04] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, I know. I and and you see, this is why I love the hell out of Pod Home.   I love the hell out of Pod Home. They make the transcript,   the show notes,   and and and what I do is read the show notes and then add our emails in. I still haven't figured out how to  

[02:21:21] Bryan Goodwin:

make them clickable yet in Pod Home. I'm still Oh, you just hit the, hit the link. Control k or,   shift. They're not shift.   Yeah. Control   yeah. Control k.  

[02:21:36] Duuude-Ron :

But no. No. I've tried that. I've tried to I've tried to hit the link, you know, and then type in gotta highlight it. Highlight it. Control k, and then and then enter in the type in mail  

[02:21:49] Bryan Goodwin:

to   colon   email address.  

[02:21:53] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. I'll try that this week. See   see if because I I would I would like to make it clickable at least. And and I will list,   these, episodes   that,   that we talk about  

[02:22:07] Bryan Goodwin:

because it's I mean, it's only fair. You know? Yeah. No. I've got I've got a I'll give you the numbers and the and the links to them.  

[02:22:15] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Yeah. I've got the, the,   new media show. I can get the link for that one. Alright.   And, yeah, give me the one for,  

[02:22:26] Bryan Goodwin:

Rob and Elsie show. Yeah. That one's, that was,   August,   13th?  

[02:22:34] Duuude-Ron :

I think. Yeah.  

[02:22:36] Bryan Goodwin:

And then everybody else was at the   new media show was, I think, the day after that.   And then   then,   the Pod News Weekly was  

[02:22:52] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Pod News days up.   Yeah. Pod knew because, I tried I tried looking at their episodes and stuff, the other 2,   and, I I couldn't find   which ones. So, yeah, send me the links because I'll   listen to those 2.   Just just I don't know. Just because I, you know,   just because I I need to get wound up again. So okay.  

[02:23:16] Bryan Goodwin:

Now one other thing I do wanna talk about, this is a little more of a serious matter. Alright?   Okay. And,   and I'm gonna well, I'll send you over the link, that that we're gonna use and all that.   Last night, we had a very good friend   get into a motorcycle accident.   And   he's he got himself fucked up pretty damn good.   He's pretty much has taken off,   lost a chunk of toe from what I heard. He's lost all the skin on, on basically one leg, a hand,   motorcycle he was driving, it's gone.   But he also has an internal fracture, a skull fracture.   Oh, no.  

So he they he   he got, he got pretty damn well.   There is   a   what is it called? I think it's called a mill wagon,   or something like that. Anyhow, it's just to help the family be able to have food   Right. Is what this is. And I'm gonna send that link over to to, to you, Rich. And guys,   if you go to the show notes, you're gonna see the link that you can go to that will allow you to be able to,   donate some money so that the family is able to get food. That's what this meal link,   meal wagon, I believe it's called,   is is for.  

It's they're it's not it's a lot like a GoFundMe, except it's not that we're going to be giving,   a a crap ton of money. We're just helping make sure they have food, because Josh   was the, the breadwinner of the family. He was out trying to about mowing lawns, doing that type of stuff. And,   and sadly, somebody, pulled out in front of him. He tried to get out of the way, and in doing so, got bike   caught up. But he got drugged,   a good little way about a 100 feet down the down the road,   and stuff. So he is he's in,   he's in the hospital right now trying to get him to recover. Family is   is a bit on the distraught side. So I am calling on you guys, all y'all that are listening to to help out   anything,   that we get, here. I plan from here as a Satoshis. If we get any Satoshis in here,   I'm gonna just contribute all that over to over to our good friend, Josh.  



[02:25:46] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Because Mine will go there too.  

[02:25:49] Bryan Goodwin:

So that's, that's where,   what's that's kind of the big thing that's, really set on my,   on my mind right now,   is the fact that,   that Josh and his family are are kind of in a, in an emotional,   pit right now because there's a you know, what are you gonna do?   His wife works her butt off trying   to trying to help make ends meet,   but he like I said, he's the breadwinner. He was going out, every day mowing lawns.   Had just got a guy to help out who was matching his energy. So,   you know,   hopefully, that at least kinda keeps going in. But  

[02:26:31] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. He was   he was running a landscape landscaping business. Right? Yeah. Yeah.   So, yeah, right now, that's that's,   yeah, on hold.  

[02:26:41] Bryan Goodwin:

And that and that's that is one of the sorry parts about, about being small businesses. A lot of times, you are   the face,   and you wear all the hats. So you're not just, the the boss. You're also the employee. You're the account. You're,   you know, you're chief, bottle washer and and and toilet cleaner at the same time. Right. So  

[02:27:06] Duuude-Ron :

And real quick, though, I mean, not to really change the subject, but   when you move your head around, it looks like you're gonna smack that cabinet that's right in front of you.  

[02:27:20] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Yeah.  

[02:27:21] Bryan Goodwin:

I have done that before. I don't know. It's probably been about 3, 4, 5 episodes get go. I was like, bam.   Luckily, I wasn't talking at the moment.  

[02:27:33] Duuude-Ron :

So Well, that's a good thing. But, no, it just it just looked like when you moved your head, it's like, oh, shit. He's like, oh, wow.  

[02:27:41] Bryan Goodwin:

Good thing I'm phasing through it. Yeah. Why? Why?  

[02:27:48] Duuude-Ron :

But Yeah. No. It's that's yeah. That was very that's very unfortunate that Josh was wrapped up into that.   Right. No. I and then I was I was hoping to get to see him in October,   but   that's gonna be a minute.  

[02:28:03] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. It's gonna be a little bit.  

[02:28:06] Duuude-Ron :

So, so, yeah, if, if, if, if there's anything anyone can do, the link will be in the show notes. It'll be   right up front there. Yep.   Please help out with anything because the family will greatly appreciate it.  

[02:28:21] Bryan Goodwin:

Yeah. I'm I'm sending some I'm sending some money over to it also just to just to help them out. So  

[02:28:30] Duuude-Ron :

Well, let me see where I'm at because  

[02:28:33] Bryan Goodwin:

I've got a big purchase that's fixing to come up. I was gonna say, you got you just got finished doing a big purchase. You're fixing to do another big purchase and Not by choice.   Yeah. Not by choice, sadly. I still, I sadly, I am one of scarcity mindset enough that I would've just gotten a bunch of elastomeric coating, and I would've been up on top of the roof with a roller just Well flying the make it about 4 inches thick just to you know? We'll see. We'll see. Last 5 years, please.  

[02:29:03] Duuude-Ron :

See, the thing is the guys that have that have been up on my roof,   they said that's already been done.  

[02:29:10] Bryan Goodwin:

Oh, no.   Oh, that asshole.  

[02:29:13] Duuude-Ron :

They're like   yeah. So so they're they're like, dude, we can't I mean,   we've got to do something now. And so so I had to choose between the repair or the replace, and it was a matter of, like, $55100.  

[02:29:29] Bryan Goodwin:

You know? So Yeah. Might as well just put a new one on there. It'll last well, if it's another metal roof, that'll last you an extra 50 years. You won't ever have to put another one up. Yeah. No. No. It's metal. Yeah. It'll be metal.   I I'm not Well, it needs to be if you're if you're in,   if you're in in in wind,   big bags of wind   land. So Oh, I am. I am. I  

[02:29:52] Duuude-Ron :

mean, I mean, so far today, I think,   I gotta look. I think the highest gust we've had today   is 19.5.   So it's been it's been a Oh, it's been a breeze. Yeah. You just got a light breeze going on right now. I mean, yeah, right now, it's like no breeze. It's only, like, 2.5 mile an hour. But Oh, okay. Yeah. Our biggest gust's been 19.5   today.  

[02:30:17] Bryan Goodwin:

So yeah. I yeah. I love my weather station because Yeah. I'm I'm I'm gonna have to go snag 1. I'm I just gotta try to figure out how I'm gonna talk to the wife and, and and or explain it to the wife.  

[02:30:29] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Well, it seemed like a fun thing to do, not to mention Rich had none. So  

[02:30:34] Duuude-Ron :

Hey. Hey. No. Tell her   tell her it out like this. It can help you forecast for when bad weather is coming.  

[02:30:43] Bryan Goodwin:

And and so you can Unless she doesn't pay attention to that until I mean, we have a friend who   is   scared to death of storms. I mean, she lives in Oklahoma of all damn places. Scared to death of fucking storms, though.   And so every spring,   we know she's almost as bad well, I used to have a dog named Cricket.   Then this dog, you know, a lot of dogs are afraid of thunderstorms.  

[02:31:07] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[02:31:09] Bryan Goodwin:

She was afraid enough of them that when the temp or when the barometric pressure changed enough.   Right. She knew it was coming in, like, 3 hours before, and she would hop up on the bed and the whole bed to sit there and be shaking.   Yeah. She was so scared. And   especially at night, it pissed it would piss Jan off because creek poor Cricket. She was just scared to death, so she was wanting, you know, wanting someone to help protect her.   And,   and if Janet kicked her off, she would go and and hide in the bathtub.  

[02:31:40] Duuude-Ron :

Oh my gosh.  

[02:31:43] Bryan Goodwin:

And so   that was, for for the longest time, that's when Jana knew that there was a storm coming in. Because Cricket would start harassing the shit out of her. Love that dog. I miss that dog. That that was creaky.   So but, my basset hound. So,   but anyhow, now,   even though even though that happened, I mean, every time a storm would be coming in, our friend Sherry would start would start texting her and go, hey, You're y'all got a warning. Y'all got a, you got or not a warning. You got a,   got a,   a   A tornado watch? A watch. Watch. Thank you. That's the word I was looking for. Hey. You got, you got storm watches. No. It was just storm watch.   She would start wigging out about storm watches. Oh, you got a storm watch. You got a storm watch. You better watch it. Be careful. And she always for the longest time, Jan was like, yeah. I already know. Creek's done told me.  



[02:32:36] Duuude-Ron :

She don't man, dude,   she wouldn't like it down here. Oh, no. Oh my god. You know, like like, you know, when they said storm surge or 2 to 4 feet,   you know, I'm I'm just   I got a little nervous. I ain't gonna lie. I got a little nervous because I'm thinking of a 4 foot wall of water. Water. Yeah. You know? You're thinking, alright. Good night. I'm like, I because   I looked up, you know, because I had heard the word storm surge, and I had heard them used together.  

[02:33:06] Bryan Goodwin:

I just didn't know exactly what they meant. So Yeah. Yeah. It's just the fact that the wind keeps blowing the water inland   that it can actually blow it up where it's 2 feet above, the coastline. So And and I and and and I found pictures,  

[02:33:20] Duuude-Ron :

and they explained what a storm surge was. And I'm like, really?  

[02:33:25] Bryan Goodwin:

Okay. And That don't help me.  

[02:33:28] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Oh, also I'll also something else real quick before I forget.   Everyone, I   I don't care who you pray to or whatnot. Pray for the people in Florida   because,   freaking They there's fixing to be an increase in children in Florida. Yep. Yeah. There's there's, a There's always a a hurricane boom after afterwards. Well Hurricane babies. But, yeah, they've got a CAT 3 that's fixing to hit land, and it'll be a CAT 4 before it gets all the way in.   And, they're they're, talking about it doing some damage. Yeah. You know? I'm I'm on the west side of it, and, I mean,   the most I'll get is maybe a little bit of wind, but I don't think I'll even get that by the way they're saying.  

So   but, yeah, keep those people in your prayers. And Josh, you know, like that because   yeah. This one this one's a big one.   This is   they say this is the 2nd big one because Burrow was   what was that? A cat   1 or a 2 or a 3? Yeah. It was it was like a 1. It wasn't all that big. I mean Right. But this one this one here is, yeah, it's it's not playing.   It's a hit cat 3 before it made landfall. Yeah.   So  

[02:34:45] Bryan Goodwin:

so, yeah, it's yeah. We got some weather going on. So, yeah, your friend Sherry would not like it down here. No. No. She wouldn't. But it was just always because, I mean, that's what that's what her she lives for. She she tells Jana, hey. We've got we've got you got storms coming in. You got storms coming in. And and 9 times out of 10,   you'll hear   the thunder rumble.   You might even hear a little bit of wind.   Right. But it'll won't do shit.   Right. It's just too funny. She'll stand outside, and she'll go out on the back porch and and,   be talking to Sherry. I was like, yeah. Nope. Not doing shit. It's like, it's right on top, Abby. Well, it ain't doing shit, Sherry. I ain't tell you that.  

So she it it's just one of those just one of those things where, god bless her, she sure is just trying to make sure we keep ourselves,   you know, safe or keep Janice safe. She's gotta look after her people or she just can't handle it. Right. But at the same time, it's just like,   it's a storm. It's congratulations.   We live in Western Oklahoma. It's storms.   Springtime.   Tornadoes, we we're we're gonna we're you're gonna see a tornado on the horizon somewhere   around you at least once each year.   I mean, past 2, 3 years have been been light. But  

[02:36:08] Duuude-Ron :

yeah.   Well, you you know something? The, the, the, hurricane center,   they've, actually changed   their   their site.   You know,   instead of saying that category 1, 2, 3, or 4   or whatnot Uh-huh.   Now they're saying and I'm looking at,   one of the,   interactive maps,   but   they now call it a, a tropical depression,   a tropical storm, a hurricane, or a major hurricane.   They've dropped, they've dropped the numbers.  

[02:36:46] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, it but even the hurricane is   that's the that's where the numbers are   because you just, a tropical depression is, you know, it was   what, like, up to 30 miles an hour wind?   39.  

[02:37:01] Duuude-Ron :

39. And And the storm is 39 to 73.   Yeah. And a hurricane is 74 to 110, and a major hurricane is greater than 110.   Right. You see, the reason I say that is before,   they would say a category 1,   a category 2 1, cat 2. 3. No. They've dropped the cat 1, 2, and 3, and 4.   They've dropped it. And and they're just saying, oh, it's a major it's a hurricane  

[02:37:29] Bryan Goodwin:

or a major hurricane. Right. Yeah. That way they can scare more people.   I don't see how. I mean, I would think Well, because it's a it's a hurricane. Okay. It it's a hurricane.   It's a major hurricane. Oh my god. So what is that? Is that a cat 2?   Is that when they switch over to a cat 2, you know, to a, to a major hurricane? So all of a sudden, you've got more major hurricanes because if as long as it makes a bet beyond 1 or 2 or, you know, whichever, wherever their line of demarcation is, it could it might be only 3 and it might be a 3a half. You know? Yeah. I think it  

[02:38:05] Duuude-Ron :

yeah. I think it is a 3   after well, 3a half, 4.   You know, when it gets up to the higher end, like like 80, 90, and a 100 mile an hour winds. Yeah. But, again, it's so they're they're  

[02:38:18] Bryan Goodwin:

but they can they can easily   and that might even be what the hurricane   center calls it, calls   delineates it. But who says that, that CNN's not going, oh, we got a major hurricane, and it's, you know, a cat one.   Oh, yeah. Oh, no. That's yeah. Definitely. That's yeah. And so there it scares people more into oh, it's global warming. Look at this. We've had more major hurricanes   this year than we've ever had. Well, last year, you only we had bunch of cat threes.   So this is the first time we ever had a major hurricane. We've had cat threes before. You know? Yeah. But but yeah. It's it's yeah. It's just   a way to scare more people. Oh, yeah. No. It's it's to   to scare get more disciples for the,   for the the church of, of environmentalism.  



[02:39:14] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Well, and see what was funny, when when Francine come through,   Melinda, my, realtor   texted me and,   and everything like that. And, you know, she said,   are you ready for this? And, you know, you know, I told her I had food, water,   this and that and this. And she's like, damn. Damn. Damn. You seem like a pro already.   I said, well, I've I've been through tornadoes and blizzards, so I can't see how this is much different. Yep. Got got the milk, got the milk and the bread, so I've got milk toast. Right. And   Milk soup.  

And, she said, well,   she said if it  

[02:39:57] Bryan Goodwin:

if it gets don't say I would just too, I would think about evacuating.   Okay. Alright.   I appreciate it. So speaking of your realtor,   you, you tried to get another date out of her?  

[02:40:10] Duuude-Ron :

No, not yet. Not yet.  

[02:40:12] Bryan Goodwin:

We just Oh, you hurry it up before you, before it gets, it gets too cold.  

[02:40:18] Duuude-Ron :

Why you say that?  

[02:40:19] Bryan Goodwin:

Why? Because   she doesn't think you're interested. She may go find somebody else. Well, yeah, this is true. I don't know. I just  

[02:40:29] Unknown:

well,  

[02:40:30] Duuude-Ron :

well, she did, text me the other day. Said, did you fix your roof yet? And, I texted her back. I said, LOL. No. I said, it's 135 to repair or 19,000   to replace.   She's like, yikes. I'm like, what?  

[02:40:48] Rich Chelson:

I'm like,  

[02:40:49] Duuude-Ron :

yeah. So it's it's like, yeah. No. Not yet. But I'm working. Not yet. We're working on it. I I told her. I said I said,   I'm working on it. I'll figure things out here in a minute.   You know? But yeah.   So I don't know. I mean, we still, you know, chat once in a great while, but Yeah.   You know? I I just I need to get back out.   I've been this trip to Indiana.   Where are you? It fucked out. Oh, god. It did. I I   I ain't been right all week.   I I it's it knocked me for a loop. Uh-huh. I mean, it was a great time. Do not get me wrong. I I thoroughly enjoyed myself. Okay? Got to see my kids. Got to spend time with the kids, and I loved it.   But, yeah, it just yeah. I was not ready for that.  



[02:41:41] Bryan Goodwin:

I understand.  

[02:41:42] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. So, hopefully hopefully, by this weekend, maybe next week, I'll start feeling a little more like myself.   Okay. You know?   But we'll see.  

[02:41:54] Bryan Goodwin:

Sup.   But anyhow alright. Well, guys, we kind of, go ahead and get this old bad boy all rolled up, start getting our red eyed land. Like I said before,   normally, this is where I go through, throughout my my spiel about,   about value for value, and I'm still after the value for value. But at the same time right now, I would say   in lieu of if you wanted to try to give us, some,   some money,   just go ahead and just give it over to, Josh and his family. And like I said, if you go to,   go to   to the, show notes or you go to, 2 grumpy vets.com,   and the, the podcast episode you see there,   which will I don't know what we'll probably call it yet. I've I've come up with the names of of Dial of Death,   Pinched Boys, The Long Scream, and Dippled Wing,   so far, is are my names that I've come up with. So and that was before we started talking about,   about the,   about the about podcasting   2.0 and and and Lipson's,   views on it. So, I mean, it could be something in there for that.  



[02:43:06] Duuude-Ron :

Right. And that's yeah.   So   send me those that list. Oh, I'm going to. Yeah.  

[02:43:13] Bryan Goodwin:

I've I wrote them down because heck, half the time I write it down and I forget to write in the notebook with me on Saturday, and I'm like,  

[02:43:20] Duuude-Ron :

man. But but, yeah, that's where that's where yeah. This this this email you wrote and and   listening to   their reply and all like that, yeah, there's a freaking title in there. I know.   So  

[02:43:36] Bryan Goodwin:

Probably, the the   the carrot for the stick or something, because that's what Rob was always calling it. He was talk and that was the thing that everybody was talk was going on about, actually.   Just to go back onto that one more time was that he was that Rob was talking about   you need to use more carrot than stick, and we're everybody's going   we haven't whacked anybody on the head yet. All the people with sticks are Spotify,   are   Apple.   It's Lipson. You know? Or all the the the big boys that are playing, the the small guys are having to run around with the carrots going, hey. Hey. Why don't you eat the carrot?  

[02:44:16] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. We're singing here. Eat.   Eat.   Just oh, oh, oh, hang on. Perfect analogy here because that's   runs right along with   with the carrot.   I was  

[02:44:45] Rich Chelson:

No. Oh, come on. No. No. The blue. The carrot is orange. Come on. The pill is red or blue. Get back to the pill. Right. Get back to the pill.  

[02:44:54] Duuude-Ron :

The blue expands your mind and and   expands the 2,   podcasting 2.0.   You see? So so which one do you wanna take? The red or the blue?  

[02:45:07] Bryan Goodwin:

Are you the 1? I want the I want the carrot one.  

[02:45:10] Rich Chelson:

Dude, major Or or do you wanna or do you wanna be the one that is in charge of the stick for the game whack fuck?  

[02:45:19] Bryan Goodwin:

It came a whack fuck here. The what? Whack.  

[02:45:24] Rich Chelson:

Those are actually The one holding the stick for the game of whack fuck.   Whack   fuck.  

[02:45:30] Duuude-Ron :

But, yeah, that's the thing. You know, people need to ask themselves, what do you want? The red pill where nothing ever changes? Or do you wanna take the blue pill   and experience?  

[02:45:41] Bryan Goodwin:

See how far down the rabbit hole the rabbit hole you go.  

[02:45:46] Duuude-Ron :

Experience the matrix. You can see the matrix, man.   Hey. So Come on. Give me a break here. I've I've finally I've finally Came up with a good movie reference.  

[02:45:56] Rich Chelson:

A good movie reference.  

[02:45:59] Duuude-Ron :

I'm gonna take that, man. That's that's mine.   Sorry, dude.  

[02:46:06] Bryan Goodwin:

No. I hate it. Go ahead. No. Bam. So, yeah, guys, we're   though though we are still very much podcasting 2.0, we are very much value for value. If you wanna give us,   a monetary value, I would say go ahead and give that over to,   to the, to Josh and his family. And there'll be a link over at,   over on the show notes or over at, 2 grumpy vets.com.   But also, we still all always have,   openings for those who don't have the ability to give give financial funds. You also we also were always up for time and and talent too. So if you've got,   good if you're good with, with a,   graphics editor, hey. We could use yeah. You wanted to start trying to edit the show? Hey.  

Love to be able to see what you could do. Love we've got the things for you that you for you to do, things that we can come up with, and   help us come up with, with,   you know,   cover art, chapter art.   And maybe you wanna sit down and,   set up the chapters for us,   and and give those signals to us. We'd   love to see how we can,   get you   to get you the opportunity to help. There are things that we can do, thanks to the opportunities that are value for value. Because it's not necessarily the value of   money, though that helps us to be able to keep the show going.   There's also the value of sharing this out, just sharing it with your friends, around going, hey, dude. This this these guys are are are crazy. Almost,   because I my,   got to the my the client that I, talked to, he was he was, again, he was talking about, how he listened to the show again, and he was he was still cracking up about the fact that no. Well, Rich, now he think he's pretty sure that you're stoned all the time.  

He's like,   does he really talk that slower, or is he just perpetually   stoned? I was like, no. No. He's just a country boy.  

[02:48:15] Unknown:

Jesus. That's his number one.  

[02:48:18] Rich Chelson:

That's just how he talks.  

[02:48:21] Duuude-Ron :

That's awesome. I love that, man. I love that.  

[02:48:24] Bryan Goodwin:

He he he he talks a little faster. So   so But it's it's But you get you get these these great interactions   and you get people to, to be able to to   to make make comments. And so that's one of the glories of of doing   of doing the shows like this because the podcasting 2.0 because the value for value,   catch the value, and the people are able to return the value in any way they see fit.   It's not up to me. I I can say, hey. I need you to send me $200   an episode.   Probably not gonna happen.   Somebody may send me $200.   Somebody may turn around and go, dude, I don't wanna send you $200.  

Here's 2,000.   You know, maybe I'm cut I'm shooting myself in the foot saying $5 an episode.   Because   if I if I was to put a limit on, hey, just 5 like, Leo Laporte, he his,   his show, he's tryin' to do a a membership model   and it's $7 a month.   He's limiting himself tremendously because   you've got some people who probably wouldn't mind giving him $1,000   an episode   or maybe just $1,000 a month.   He's going to be making more money than   than he is trying to do advertising. Because advertising for Leo Laporte is sucking right now. He is pro it's   this week in in in tech,   and that whole network   is crumbling,   sadly.  



[02:50:00] Duuude-Ron :

But And that's a that   See, the thing is the thing is Leo Laporte is is actually in in in in   in my mind doing it right   because   he knows he can get more people at $7   than at a1000.  

[02:50:19] Bryan Goodwin:

Well, yeah. Yeah. He but again, but there's there's gonna be a lot of people who go off and give   a $1,   $5   of of in satoshis. And then there's turns around and he's gonna have somebody who just goes, yeah. You know what?   I loved everything you've done. Here's a $1,000.  

[02:50:38] Duuude-Ron :

And next month, may drop another $1,000. He's not he's he's not stopping anybody from not doing that.  

[02:50:45] Bryan Goodwin:

He's No. But that's, that's what that's all it's set to   is is $7. If you wanna be a part of the deal, it's you go to go to to his his deal is pay $7, and that's all that that's the only option you have. He didn't have the option to, hey. Here's a you know, pay whatever you like. It's $7.  

[02:51:05] Duuude-Ron :

Right. But but see, the thing is, he knows   if he gets the masses,   he gets more money that way than he does by 1 or 2 people paying a $1,000  

[02:51:16] Bryan Goodwin:

a month. Yeah. But he is but who is doing a better job? If you were to look at, like,   Leo Laporte and and, This Week in Tech,   what he's doing versus, like, the No Agenda Show.  

[02:51:30] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[02:51:32] Bryan Goodwin:

I mean, you'd get no agenda. The guys on no agenda, Adam Curry and John c DeBark, they're both getting,   they get   people who donate   $500.   When they get, I think it's $1,000   in, they become knights. And so they have this whole knighting ceremony and you get a you get a signet ring that,   and and sealing wax and and,   at when you donate $300, I think you're becoming an executive producer that you can actually put up on on IMDB. You get a a IMDB credit.   Right. And so you get all these great things because   you you provided value and Adam and John are providing value back to you. Right. And so there's people who give   set up a PayPal where it's $5 every every month.  

And   then eventually, it you know, they eventually, they make it to a $1,000. There's other people who they they drop $5,000  

[02:52:33] Duuude-Ron :

because it's I wanted to give $1,000 for so that could be knighted, and then my wife could be knighted, and my kid 3 kids could be knighted. Right. I understand. But but you see, here's the thing, though. It's it it all rolls back to the same old question. Would you rather have a $1,000,000 or a penny doubled a day for 30 days? Well What do you want? Why the way that,  

[02:52:56] Bryan Goodwin:

the way that Adam and John are doing is the penny's doubling.  

[02:53:00] Duuude-Ron :

No. I know. I know. But but you see, that's the thing.   Leo Laporte is is is given value for  

[02:53:11] Bryan Goodwin:

a fair amount, he thinks, and that's fine. Yeah. And it and it and it sort of works, but at the same time,   he is crippling himself with the shortsightedness   of not doing value true value for value.  

[02:53:24] Duuude-Ron :

But you see, that's the thing, though. He's but but   right now, that is what's working for him.   You know? I mean Or what he thinks is working, at least. Well, I mean, I mean, he's still doing it. Right?  

[02:53:39] Bryan Goodwin:

As far as I know, he is. So I I've I've stopped listening to This Week in Google. I stopped listening to it about a year ago. So  

[02:53:46] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Yeah. Yeah. That just yeah. Because it it doesn't change much. But still, it's it's, you know, it's the fact that,   you know, this is   this is what what is so awesome about all this   because   what we think,   you know, are   what we think wouldn't work for us   works for someone else. Or, you know, maybe maybe maybe, Aaliyah LaPorte doesn't want that much.  

[02:54:15] Bryan Goodwin:

No. Actually, I stopped listing about 4 4 years ago because it was about 2 back in 2019 is before COVID.  

[02:54:26] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   But  

[02:54:29] Bryan Goodwin:

now it's There's no my brain started to get taken. It was like, hey. Oh, you know? No. No. No. It's been 1 or 2 years. That's the thing. Leo,   say a Leo Laporte's been doing this for a long, long time. Yep. He's been he is one of the one of the OG podcasters with with Dave Jackson, Rob Walsh, Todd Cochran,   Rob Greenlee.  

[02:54:51] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   Yeah. He's yeah. He's yeah. He's freaking in there with Adam Curry?  

[02:54:57] Bryan Goodwin:

Adam Curry's been I mean, now he's Adam Curry's done several things. He's he's done he was Medio, podcasters,   you know, Music Alley. So   we're you actually get, pod safe music. So   that was his doing.  

[02:55:12] Duuude-Ron :

So, yeah, it's just you know, that's the thing. What   what what we think isn't working, someone else might be like, hey. The this is all I want.   You know?  

[02:55:24] Bryan Goodwin:

Right.  

[02:55:25] Duuude-Ron :

You know? So it's it's, you know, kind of a,   you know,   your own decision, I guess, kinda. Oh, yeah. No. Absolutely.  

[02:55:35] Bryan Goodwin:

So but I and I mean, if it if that's what he's okay with and he's fine with, that's that that worked.   I just at the same time, I'm, like, going, dude, if you're struggling that much, you know, don't hamstring yourself. Go ahead. True. True. Yeah. You know? Because, I mean, he he talks about it, and he's he last time I I listened to him, which was a couple years ago,   he was he was making it sound like, boy, we are just hand to mouth right now. You know?   Because they they had to let let the brick house go. So they're the La Paloma or the, the or   or what is that? Anyhow, wherever the, the brick house was at,   I mean, their studios, he had it's all now   virtual.  

Had to let,   aunt Pruitt go and several other,   several other the well known   cast of of of This Week in Tech Had to let him go. So it's just down to, like,   to to to the bare bones. Again, it's Leah LaPorte. I mean, Leah LaPorte's gotta be getting ready to retire sometime in the near future. Oh, you would think. I mean, shoot. He's   he's I mean, he he was big back when, when,   g 4 was out.  

[02:56:56] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Oh, yeah. No. No. Leo Laporte was was,   see a see a real big in,   what, the middle 2000   towards,   you know, like yeah. It's just been It was him. Years  

[02:57:10] Bryan Goodwin:

he's been Basically him and Kim Commando.  

[02:57:13] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   Yeah. Because when when when tech was booming   that. When a tech was booming, oh my god. Leo Laporte was the man you listened to. Yeah. It was Leo Laporte, and then you had had Kim Kim Commando and, you know,  

[02:57:27] Bryan Goodwin:

they were both doing their own shows, been going at at things 2 different directions. So Right. Right.   So so But anyhow so,   guys, yeah, go ahead and and share with what you can. If you wanna be able to help us out, you can share the show out. Share the or and if you wanna know,   get to know us or have a question for us, you can also send us a an email over to me. That's circle [email protected],   or you send an email over to rich at that's rchelson,   [email protected].   And,   just ask the question. If you wanna get a hold of the dude, send it either one of us an email, and we'll get it over to the dude. So it will we've it it's easy in that in that form and fashion.   So, guys, thank you again,   for everything that y'all do.  



[02:58:16] Rich Chelson:

Help out the, Josh and his and his family. And, Rich, what do you got to say for that?  

[02:58:22] Duuude-Ron :

Well, real quick,   since you kinda,   sailor Chinese on our emails   Of course. Yeah. A little bit. Not bad, but enough to someone might be like, what?   If you wanna send Brian an email,   send it to circle cast   atgmail.com.   If you wanna send me an email, [email protected],   and,   we'll be happy to answer your questions.   And if if if dude's included in there, we'll make sure dude reads it and hears it, and   we'll get his answer   and,   play it on the air for you and everything.   Also, as Brian said, you know   you know, if you can help,   Josh and his family, it would be greatly appreciated. He is a very dear friend and a fellow veteran.  

And,   yeah, we,   we are we are holding him and his family in our prayers.   And, also also be thinking about the people in, Florida that's fixing to go through this hurricane,   Georgia, and on up because this storm is not gonna be nice going up. So   other than that, thank you for listening. Share this show out. I mean, tell your friends that   you know 3 crazy veterans that just   really just don't give a shit   and share it out. So that's what I got again. Thank you for listening. Come back next week because we'll be Absolutely.  

[02:59:51] Bryan Goodwin:

So, Ron, what you got to say in closing?  

[02:59:54] Duuude-Ron :

What you got, dude?  

[02:59:57] Rich Chelson:

Well, I see. The dude is usually just lurking in the shadows.   However,   as we see tonight with Josh,   life is too short,   and anything can happen   at any time.   Be kind to one another.  

[03:00:21] Bryan Goodwin:

Absolutely.   So, guys, with that, wanna say thank you again very much for listening, and we will catch y'all next week.   Till then,   bye.  

[03:00:33] Duuude-Ron :

Later.  

[03:00:35] Rich Chelson:

Peace out.  

[03:00:37] Bryan Goodwin:

See you guys. Alright, guys. Catch y'all next week. See you. Alright. Alright. Bye.