Two Grumpy Vets and a Duuude

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In this episode of Two Grumpy Vets, we dive into a wide-ranging discussion that covers everything from the importance of intentional living and weekly conversations among friends to the humorous and sometimes frustrating aspects of daily life. We kick off with a light-hearted chat about the challenges of recording and the technical hiccups that come with it.

 The conversation takes a turn as we explore the concept of responsibility and how it can sneak up on you, much like a bull, leading to a candid discussion about personal accountability and the occasional need for a "pity party." We share anecdotes about pets, particularly the antics of Watson, a dog with a penchant for mischief, and how these moments bring laughter and joy.

 Our discussion then shifts to the topic of addiction, where we challenge the traditional notion of addiction as a disease, instead framing it as a coping mechanism that can be controlled with the right mindset. We delve into the differences in how men and women perceive intimacy and the societal influences that shape these perceptions.

 We also touch on the impact of testosterone levels on behavior and the natural changes that occur with age. The conversation meanders through various topics, including the influence of media on relationships, the historical perspectives on marriage and intimacy, and the humorous observations about everyday life.

 As we wrap up, we reflect on the importance of community, friendship, and open dialogue in navigating life's challenges. Join us for a candid, humorous, and insightful conversation that highlights the value of intentional living and the power of friendship.

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[00:00:01] Bryan Goodwin:

Hey, man. Hello, and welcome to Two Grumpy Vets and a Duuude, this is a show that each week allows for three friends to get together and live life intentionally.   We do this by throwing a little social commentary   with our own weird sense of humor and our thoughts together   to show folks that living having weekly conversations   is a good way to help   each other out, help men become better men. And so now on with the show with Bryan,   Rich, and   the Duuude.  

[00:00:34] Rich Chelson:

Yes. Recording in progress.   We are progressing with our recording.  

[00:00:40] Duuude-Ron :

So   yes. Yes.   Recording   in progress   and recording.  

[00:00:48] Unknown:

Are you sure we are recording?  

[00:00:51] Rich Chelson:

No. No. I don't actually get to see the tape to tape rolling, but, you know, they claim they're recording. So  

[00:01:00] Unknown:

Okay. I just wondered. I mean, you   you know, you said it four or five times. I just I just wanted to make sure that that you knew. We actually were.   Yeah.   So,  

[00:01:12] Bryan Goodwin:

let's see here.  

[00:01:16] Rich Chelson:

Let's   get the old equipment all set up.   There we go.   Ron knows that   Zoom's open.  

[00:01:31] Unknown:

So  

[00:01:34] Rich Chelson:

oh,   hell.  

[00:01:39] Unknown:

I'll tell you,  

[00:01:42] Rich Chelson:

I am glad this week is just   about over.  

[00:01:47] Unknown:

Been kinda rough?  

[00:01:49] Rich Chelson:

God damn. Has it?  

[00:01:52] Unknown:

Oh,   what's happening with it?  

[00:01:58] Rich Chelson:

Pull up a chair and listen to me, bitch.  

[00:02:02] Unknown:

So  

[00:02:06] Rich Chelson:

Oh, no. It was just   just fact that I   there's a saying   that I used to tell my kids   all the time about responsibilities.   Right. They can dodge responsibility   all they want,   but responsibility   is a lot like a bull.   And, eventually, it's gonna sneak up, and it's gonna get you in the ends.   And we had I basically just had that this week.  

[00:02:37] Unknown:

Okay.   So   That sucks.  

[00:02:42] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It does. Of course, it's my fault. So  

[00:02:46] Rich Chelson:

only person I could point at is me going, you ain't done that.  

[00:02:50] Unknown:

So   damn the bad luck. That shit's Yeah.  

[00:02:56] Rich Chelson:

Like I said,   though, 'tis my fault. So I can sit around sit around   and go boohoo and cry about it, or I can just, you know,   get the shit done when it's when next time when it's time to get it done.  

[00:03:11] Unknown:

Right. Right.   Oh, I understand. You know? But,   you know, you know, every once in a while, it is okay to have a little pity party.  

[00:03:23] Rich Chelson:

Well, yeah.  

[00:03:24] Unknown:

You know, not I mean, not As long as it's to live in it.   Yeah.   Like like, you know, some people do. You know? Oh, yeah. They they do enjoy their perpetual victimhood.   Yes. They do. So   but,   but yeah. No. Other than that, it's,   you know, sometimes it is it is good to do that. Right.  

[00:03:52] Rich Chelson:

You know? There we go. I think I got  

[00:03:55] Duuude-Ron :

a small left ear.  

[00:03:58] Rich Chelson:

Put my right ear in. There we go.   So but yeah. Yeah. It's   just one of those instances where   several months, I knew I needed to work on my fence.  

[00:04:17] Unknown:

And right.  

[00:04:19] Rich Chelson:

Eventually,   Oklahoma was gonna say, you're gonna work on your fucking fence.   It just chose, this week to do it. It it chose this week to do it. And,   luckily,   dumbass, she doesn't know what you know, she the way the fence fell,   if she stepped on it, it wobbled,   which wigged her out.   But   so she was like, I don't know about this. I didn't she was wanting to follow follow Watson. Watts, and he just kinda booped it over. He's part rabbit. So he just bounced along, bounces over it, and and he's on the other side   and, and stuff. And so he's running back and forth apart in front of the, in front of the the,   the fence.  

Uh-huh. And, you know, Rain's, like, going, hey. That's a cool trick. How'd you do that? And so they were kinda chasing each other back and forth,   but at the same time, Watson's outside of the fence.   And then Jan was, like,   oh my god. He's outside the fence. And so she was trying to try she got rained   and slapped a leash on her and grabbed another leash for for Watson and proceeded to try to chase him down. And he was like, oh, dude, this is amazing. I got you playing with me now. And so they she he was playing catch.   And, and then eventually, he was, she was, like, going, you know what? Screw this shit. I am not chasing you all over the damn countryside. So she turned around and went to the house   and she at the door. And she waited for about four minutes   and then opened the door, and he was sitting there on the on the edge of the,   edge of the property   and just kinda looking like, you're gonna beat me, aren't you? You're gonna whoop up on me. I am in so much I mean, she said he just he'll he knew   he had done done screwed up.  



[00:06:11] Unknown:

Right.  

[00:06:12] Rich Chelson:

And so it took a little bit of, come on, Watson. Come on. Come on. And he kinda cut trotted up there, then he had stopped and kinda sit down for a moment. It's like, you're gonna hit me, aren't you? She's like, no. I'm you know? Come on. Come on. And eventually, he kinda went in. He shut the door, and he was just like, I'm sorry.  

[00:06:31] Duuude-Ron :

I was having fun. I forgot.  

[00:06:35] Unknown:

Oh, that's funny.  

[00:06:37] Rich Chelson:

Oh, he is he's a lion. He's a he's a hilarious dog. I mean, got a expression   expressions   at the wazoo.   And like I said, he's part rabbit, so he jumps.   Like, watching him dismount off the, off the bed is amazing because he doesn't   you know, most dogs will jump down, and so they'll land on the front feet and then on the back feet.   Not Watson. He will actually kinda hop and land on all four feet at the same time.   Okay. So he just kinda anytime he's, like, getting off, he's like,   and then he jumps back up normally, but then he opts down.   All four of me is like,   oh,   I heard a ding dong.  

That is what? Dude. That's dude's the ding dong.  

[00:07:30] Duuude-Ron :

Of course.   Of course, I'm a ding dong.  

[00:07:38] Unknown:

So do you know what's going on with you? Yeah. We hear you fine, dude. Hear you beautifully.  

[00:07:43] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. You guys are awfully quiet when I respond.   As far as Rich goes,   well, what's going on, you sexy   rainbow camouflage   chameleon?  

[00:07:59] Unknown:

Sexy rainbow   camouflage   chameleon.   Damn, dude.   Where the hell are you getting those things?  

[00:08:07] Duuude-Ron :

I don't know. Just, you know, shit just pops up into my head. It's like, you know, because I gotta,   you know, present you with a new   thing to make you laugh   every week.   So, you know, I'm like, it takes me, you know,   hours or maybe days to, you know, actually come up with this crap.   Right. Well, it's not crap. It's not crap. You are a sexy rainbow camouflage chameleon. No?  

[00:08:40] Unknown:

Oh my god, man. You're And and Brian,  

[00:08:43] Duuude-Ron :

Brian, I will have a much better comeback as far as you are concerned,   but you are a sexy square watermelon.  

[00:08:57] Rich Chelson:

Well, at least at least I'm highly valued because  

[00:09:01] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you know what? In China,   square   watermelons   are very  

[00:09:08] Rich Chelson:

valued. Oh, yeah. That's   why they   they put them all in these little square,   square plastic boxes.  

[00:09:16] Duuude-Ron :

Yep. Yep.   Yep.   So I will have I will have a better one next week for you, Brian.   I just   that just kinda,   you know,   popped in.  

[00:09:29] Rich Chelson:

Wow. Now it's more important. Well, we know Rich is more important. So   he he's gotta he's gotta get the, he's gotta get the the the the dig before everybody else.  

[00:09:40] Duuude-Ron :

Well, at least both of you are sexy in your, you know Oh, unique ways. Particular way, yeah, with the watermelon or chameleon. You know? Hey.   So   that is my   thought for the day.  

[00:09:56] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:09:58] Duuude-Ron :

I'm yeah. Amazing how, you know, that thought is just like, what   the fuck   is he thinking   with that thought? It's like, damn.  

[00:10:10] Unknown:

Alright. You folks nest a show.  

[00:10:14] Duuude-Ron :

You know, I   here's another one that just popped into my head today.   I mean, just completely out of the fucking blue.   As I'm driving by going up to Abilene,   I look over and there's a herd of cows   And there's three cows   laying   in,   you know, those   hay bundles that are round.  

[00:10:40] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Round belt. Round belt pages. Yeah.  

[00:10:44] Duuude-Ron :

So this one's already been eaten on, and it's halfway down on the ground. So you have a cow,   a fawn cow, and a goat.   No. Lamb? Goat. Yeah. One of the one of the two laying in this hay.   And   I'm wondering to myself,   what do cows   think about?  

[00:11:10] Rich Chelson:

K. Yeah. Not much because they're they are some of the dumbest freaking critters you ever come across.  

[00:11:17] Duuude-Ron :

You know, do they have any intelligent thoughts   that we know of? Or is there ever watched it. Well, there's there's a reason why  

[00:11:30] Rich Chelson:

there's a reason why   my English teacher   used to use the put down of any of us who were caught chewing gum   in her class.   Right. She would she would give the comment,   you know what's the difference between you,   you and, a cow chewing its cud?   And people go well, the first few times she did it, people go, no. The intelligent look on the cow.   And she tells you to spit it out. So but, yeah, that that was back when teachers could actually insult you and and  

[00:12:08] Duuude-Ron :

and And oh my god. Did did we   fucking have   mental issues   if   a a teacher   was strict?  

[00:12:23] Rich Chelson:

And Well, it depends on who you talk to because some people would say, well, yeah, our over drinking and stuff that we do is,   is a symptom of our of our trauma of not being heard and and understood or seen.   And so it's like, well, okay. Whatever.  

[00:12:40] Duuude-Ron :

You know?   Now now which which age, John Deere, are you talking about right there? I'm talking about the I'm talking about us.  

[00:12:49] Rich Chelson:

And   when it comes to,   when it comes to our our means of habits.  

[00:12:59] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, okay.  

[00:13:03] Unknown:

That one went right over my head. I was gonna say, I I think I might have to agree with dude on that one.   Sorry, Brian.  

[00:13:13] Rich Chelson:

No. No.  

[00:13:14] Unknown:

No. Normally, I catch on say it again.  

[00:13:18] Rich Chelson:

Well, I'm like, I could say that again. So, bam,   it's just one of those dreams of thought. But, yeah, no. It's just,   you know, the   the fact that,   that   how we   go about unwinding at the end of a day or whatever.   Some of us drink. Some of us enjoy a little recreational,   smoke.   Some enjoy just smoking.   You know, whatever it is, you know, however we end up unwinding,   people a lot of people point to that as the example of, of us having   a,   having a,   essentially, a mental illness because we are,   well, any type of addiction is is not an actual addiction. It is a coping mechanism that is out of control.   There's no actual such thing as an addiction.  

Now a lot of people will fight against that, but, no, you can't change my mind.  

[00:14:21] Duuude-Ron :

I will have to disagree   partly   with you as far as   smoking, but we'll  

[00:14:29] Rich Chelson:

I'll elaborate that here in just a minute. Go ahead. Go on. Well, no. I mean, with any of it, it is whether it's smoking,   whether it's drinking,   whether it is   marijuana   or some harder drug,   whether it   is overeating,   porn,   video games,   working,   those are all   people will call those all different types of addictions.   Well, crap day hunting. And our our our,   our well esteemed, but highly,   superegoed   psychiatrist that like to go off and call those addictions   don't realize   that there's no pathogen. They they they like to call them a disease.   You know? You've got a you've got a disease. You you can't help it. You're, you know, you're you're an alcoholic. You that's it's a disease, and you're gonna be afflicted with it for the rest of your life.  

That's not the definition of a disease. Alright? You don't have an illness because one, there's no pathogen.   Right. If you never touched alcohol in your life, you would have never developed alcoholism.   If you had never seen a dirty movie in your life, you would have never developed a porn addiction.   So there's not   a pathogen   that causes you to suddenly become   a tweaker.   But what your brain does is it's it senses   when you have, say, you take take a drag off a cigarette,   you would get a lot of   of, serotonin,   dopamine flooding your brain. Well, actually, it's the nicotine that is triggering those receptors.  

Right. And your brain goes, I   this is good. This is really good. I like this. This is this is a lot of reward coming in here for doing that. Let's do more of that.   And whether it is   meth,   porn,   video games,   internet,   you know, social media, whatever,   that's what you're doing. You're getting a, you're getting a huge blast of dopamine and serotonin,   and your brain, without thinking about what's going on, your brain goes, well, we need more of this. We're running a little low on the dopamine. Let's go ahead and let's go pull up Facebook again. And so that's why you without ever thinking, all of a sudden, you've got Facebook in your hand, and you're just scrolling through it, liking stuff.  

[00:17:21] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.  

[00:17:22] Rich Chelson:

That is   because you have a coping mechanism   that is out of control.   Can you stop smoking? Hell, yeah. You can. You can act   I've if I was a doctor and you were having trouble,   breathing,   and I came to you and said, you have got lung cancer,   and,   you have to stop smoking right now.   There are a lot of people   who will just go ahead and go,   we'll drop it, won't think twice about it, will never have another craving for it,   and it's happened time and time and time again.   Why? Because they have a why that overcomes the desire for the serotonin.  

[00:18:13] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[00:18:14] Rich Chelson:

So if all of a sudden, we were to tell you you do all of a sudden have a major craving for, for to wear,   you know,   third rank uniforms,   If you don't stop watching looking at Facebook or stop going, on to Twitter or or whatever, just as an example, you'd actually   the left, hey. That Democrats,   it doesn't actually happen. You know? There's no   fascism doesn't isn't the opposite of a Democrat. Alright? So   just just so you know.   But if they people actually thought that that was what would happen,   they would quit, you know, they would quit   social media   yesterday,   and they wouldn't have a problem with it. Now the kids, the little little   the little bambinos running around,   they wouldn't understand why,   and they would have to go through the withdrawal   of not being able to hold on to their tablet anymore. They'd have to try to figure out what the world to do with themselves   because mom has destroyed all the tablets in the house.  



[00:19:28] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. They would lose their minds.  

[00:19:30] Rich Chelson:

But only for a short while.   Because of the great elasticity   of, of a child's brain,   they would get bored, and they would start trying to do stuff. They would find things to do.   Now granted, finding those things to do would irritate the snot, and then that's why parents do it is because   it's easier to just give them this little hit of dopamine, this little dopamine   injector   than to let them figure out what to do themselves, and, yeah, they're gonna bug mom for a bit.   I'm bored. Alright. Well, congratulations, bored. Go find something to do.   That was We've all been told that once or twice in our life.  

Yeah. Or No. Well Oh, you are? You're bored? Alright. We'll go clean your room. I don't wanna clean my room. Well, then get out of the house. Oh, wait. That that bored? That You got chores.   Exactly.   Then go then here you go. And then now there for a while, it was, well, then I guess you better go find something to do or I've got chores. No. I don't wanna end. So you'd go wander off. But, eventually, you'd go, I'm bored. Alright. Well, I need you to go clean out the dishes. I don't want them. I didn't ask if you wanted to. I told you. Go do the dishes.   Eventually, you learn to shut the hell up.  



[00:20:57] Duuude-Ron :

You know? And   I have two statements,   not rebuttals, but statements   about what you just   said. K.   Now   with the nicotine,   because I smoke  

[00:21:13] Rich Chelson:

Yep. I did I've done it twice too. Yeah. You're right. You're right. So  

[00:21:18] Duuude-Ron :

with that said,   yes.   You can the   the drug   can be out of your system   within ninety six hours.   If you stop cold turkey,   the drug the craving for the actual drug   is out of the system in ninety six hours.   Everything else   is habit   associated   with   smoking.  

[00:21:46] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   So it's the habit of having dinner. I I don't have I don't have enough dopamine. I that's the habit. I don't have enough dopamine. You're you're I think it's called the hippocampus is the habit center of the brain. I don't not a %, but, yeah, something like that.   But you got a little habit center of your brain, which because our brains want three things. We have the motivation. It's called the motivational triad. We wanna seek pleasure,   avoid pain, and do it as efficiently as possible. Alright?   So can we find pleasure? Well,   be having an addiction   hits all three of those   to a point.  

Is it,   you know, go off watch porn? Is that pleasurable? Yeah. Is it painful?   Not at the moment, but,   you know, when you're if your wife is not, aware of your,   of your porn habits,   that can all of a sudden, things can get really painful, so that's why we hide the addiction.   And that's why we often do it when we're bored.   That's when a, quote, unquote, addict will often get themselves in the most trouble when they are bored.   When they don't have something they're focused on, all of a sudden, their brain's going, oh, I know what to do in this department. Yeah. Let's go ahead and let's go over here. Let's go,   see that see that,   that, that bottle of, the bottle of, of Jack Daniels? Yeah. Go ahead and pop that open. Pour some. Put a little ice in it good. Swish it around. Drink it back. Well, good. See. Look at that. That feels nice, doesn't it? Let's have another one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That one's really nice.  

And so yeah. No. No. Addiction is there's no such thing as an addiction.   It is   a   just a because,   well, the term addiction, from what I understand,   actually is the term for a religious zealot.   That's what they used to call zealots.   They were an addict of some type of religion.  

[00:23:54] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Oh, okay.  

[00:23:55] Rich Chelson:

And so they but then it kinda fell out of favor, and there's this term that kinda fit, you know, people who   would, would turn to opiates or turn to,   alcohol, you know.   Before they called them alcoholics, they called them diptomaniacs.   So but, you know, can't use the word maniac in a in a in a medical term because that would that would be insensitive.   So   Yeah.  

[00:24:26] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Most definitely insensitive.   And now the second point that I was gonna say Yep. Have have no fucking clue. It fucking just poof, gone.   Okay. I don't know where the fuck you don't have a fucking clue as to where I went, but poof, gone. Yep.   Yep. So but So if I so if I wake up and remembered about 03:00 in the morning   Give me a call.   I will give you a call.   Alright.  

[00:24:53] Rich Chelson:

Now I may still go, what?   I don't know what   no.   Okay.  

[00:25:01] Unknown:

Good night.  

[00:25:03] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. No shit.  

[00:25:05] Duuude-Ron :

Like, you call me at 03:00 in the morning, wake my ass up, I will reach through the phone and choke  

[00:25:11] Rich Chelson:

your fucking ass. Oh, no. I won't. I'll I mean, I'll try to set I'll even go as far as actually try to sound somewhat   awake.   Now Or intelligent? Thoughts well, not a tell no. No. No. Sound   Intelligence.   That takes about another ten minutes for my brain to really start, you know, to finally pop the clutch enough to get moving.   So   As well as two cups of coffee. Well, you know, I mean, I can I can do without the coffee? I can't. I don't like to. It's it's   it's nicer to, to enjoy some coffee, but at the same time,   you know, it's it is what it is. Sometimes there's times that I have to get going, and I'm I had   stop on the, on the,   on the off ramp for a,   for   a for a road. So,   you know, there's not not always a, a a a service station at the, at the intersection. So  

[00:26:08] Unknown:

I'll drink cold coffee. I'll make sure I've got coffee left over,   and I'll drink it cold in the morning. I I don't say I haven't done that. Oh, I just I still do it at home.  

[00:26:19] Duuude-Ron :

And, you know, here and you say about cold coffee. And I'll I'll do the same damn thing. I you know what? If it's cold, okay. It's fucking cold.   And you get people   that are like, oh, yuck. You drink cold coffee. I'm like, you know what? There are now   millions of motherfuckers out there drinking   iced coffee   from Starbucks   or from fucking seven eleven.  

[00:26:45] Unknown:

Are you fucking What? Are you kidding me? Hold on. Hold on. Is that actually coffee, or is that just a cold cappuccino?  

[00:26:52] Duuude-Ron :

Or I have   I have no fucking idea because at   4 plus dollars   each,   I I'll drink fucking cold coffee that has been sitting in my mug all fucking day long.  

[00:27:06] Rich Chelson:

Right? Well, and I'll I'll drink cold coffee too. But and the reason why I'll usually drink cold coffee   is if I get some really strong, nasty, disgusting,   thick, you know, stand a horseshoe up in it,   truck stop coffee,   it   if I let it get cold,   it is actually tolerable.   I don't know why for me it is, but it is. I can I can sit there, and I'll I'll try to drink, you know, some of the some of Luvs coffee? If they're if I go stop by either a Luvs or a TA, and it's been one of those   places that,   they they they   they just had   to wave a, a cleaning rag over the top of the coffee,   coffee pots   from time to time.  

You get those that's just kinda   yeah. I'll, I'll I'll set it off to the side. It's like, yeah. Or I'm gonna have to wait a while and let it let it get cold.   And then I can I mean, it's still nasty shit, but I'll, I'll I'll it's the least tolerant?   There's a there's some type of bite in there that when it's hot, it it fades away whenever it cools off.  

[00:28:19] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, okay. It just comes up and kicks you in the balls.   Yeah. Yeah.   Wow.  

[00:28:25] Rich Chelson:

You know, and  

[00:28:27] Duuude-Ron :

Go ahead. And I'd you know, I rarely get coffee from well, and seeing as how I'm not over the road, I'm home every night.   You know, and I drink instant,   which is fine with me.   I will   have one as soon as I get up with my, you know,   my initial activity in the morning, which is, you know, a couple of smokes,   a cup of coffee, or Right. A fucking mug of coffee. No. Damn near half a thermos of coffee is the size of my bug.   So and then, you know,   I'll get, like, about,   two thirds of that drink,   and then   get ready for work and, everything, get my lunch ready, all that other stuff. And the last thing I do   is I fill up the,   water   kettle all the way to the top, and I will put some more instant coffee in with the coffee that's already in my mug, fill that up, and then I have a thermos   that I keep my backpack and fill that with hot water, and I bring a little, you know, Tupperware container that has my coffee, cream, sugar mixture   in it with me. So,   you know,   at lunchtime or whenever I get to my destination,   I'll if I've   drank that cup of coffee, you know, I'll fill it back up, and I'm good for the rest of the day until   now. And I just made myself another one, so I'm on actually number five for the day.  

You know, and it's is that   an addiction,   coffee?  

[00:30:12] Rich Chelson:

It can be. I mean, by by their standards,   yes.   By their standards, it can be considered an addiction because,   and for what I consider addiction,   it is anything that keeps you from operating.   If you have to have it to be able to operate,   then, yeah, it technically   would be, in my eyes, what would be called an addiction. Now it's not an addiction. It's just a coping mechanism that is   that is out of,   that's out of spec, but that's you know?   Do you think that that it's okay, or do you think that it needs to be changed? Alright. That's where   I come into play. You know?  

If you're if you're,   you say you're you have what you think is porn addiction and it's in interfering   with your relationship with your wife,   then, okay,   let's let's examine why you   you found   found porn to   be easier to   to   to interact with than your wife, which is the answer to that   is typically 99%   of the time,   Horn won't say no.   It's easier to pull pull up,   you know, ujizz.com  

[00:31:34] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[00:31:36] Rich Chelson:

And and   go watch a few videos.   And then,   you know, you're you feel good. You've got all the you've got you've got all the, the the the hormones and the and endorphins   and and everything else coming,   coming through your system.   And you didn't even have to bother your wife. She doesn't even she doesn't even have to know. She's, you know, she's doing her thing. I just did my thing, and we're all good. Except for the fact that about fifteen, twenty years down the road, you're going, we just never do anything anymore.   Why why do I have a roommate here instead   of the lover that I that I married?  

Mhmm.   And that's because you decided that it was easier to,   to   pull up a website than   to   do the ask. And, yeah, it's scary. And it's it's   and,   it's it's a little unnerving because, yeah, 90% of the time, you're probably gonna get told, no. I'm not in the mood.   Especially, if you're trying to bring bring intimacy back into the marriage, you're going to have a whole lot more.   No. I'm not in the mood, because, one,   she has to get back in the habit   of wanting to have sex.   And I'm still fighting the   working on the whole   changing my my philosophy that I used to run on for   damn near   almost twenty years now,   and that was that women   do not like sex. That was the premise.  

That women   actually   do not like sex because they would rather   do anything other than that. And I get it. I kinda understand. I mean, if if,   if you had to enjoy something, you had to get undressed,   and then have some guy who is going to weigh more than you climb on top of you, brunt around for a little bit, and then leave a mess between your legs.   I mean, come on.   Would you really wanna do that too? No. You'd be like, goddamn, man.   No.   Go to the bathroom.   Beat off for a little bit. Get rid of that damn thing.  

[00:33:59] Unknown:

But Well, apparently, there's there's a there's a major disconnect   between   the male and female brain.  

[00:34:07] Rich Chelson:

Well, there is. There is. There's a there's a huge disconnect. But Well, yeah. But But but that's because we we look at the same because men and women's   whether the left wants to admit it, men and women   think   completely differently.  

[00:34:24] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Definitely.  

[00:34:29] Rich Chelson:

Definitely. And and and and see Women will women will use sex. They they know how to apply sex into their life.   They will tolerate it as, and actually even act like they enjoy it a bit   Under three certain,   circumstances, they're looking for a man.   They're looking for they're trying to, they're afraid they're gonna lose the man   or they're wanting kids.   If those if one of those three,   scenarios appear,   then, yeah, they're they're gonna be all sorts of interested in sex.  

[00:35:06] Unknown:

Well, see, that's the thing. If if,   if,   men and women   okay?   Because   this works both ways.   This works both ways. What we're talking about,   ceilings on both sides of the street here. Okay? Right.   But, if if if couples would work together   and Oh, very much so. Yeah. You know, help each other out, I mean, you would still have that love. You would still have that spark. You would still have want to have sex with your partner,   you know, because it's, you know, it's a very beautiful thing, you know, when it's done properly. But but most people,   their minds are   as deep as a fucking kiddie pool   from Douglas General.  



[00:35:58] Rich Chelson:

Well, to a point you know, Andy. Yeah. To but, to another point, not quite. Because one,   women I mean,   like I said, women   use   women look at,   get turned on in a completely different manner. I mean, you can look at,   actually, couple of some engineer I was listening to a, to a Jordan Peterson thing. So I not so I don't have all the details to it, but, you know, I don't see why Jordan Peterson would be lying about this.   Right. But he said that,   one of the neat things that,   engineers have done from the time that they that Google came along and started,   serving up websites   is they collected data.  

And so you   one of the things that the engineers,   there did is they started looking at   what did people look up   and more specifically,   what is it that women looked up?   And they looked up the fact that they're,   they looked   up things closer to the   realm   of hardcore when it was porn, they would look it for hard corn   or hard   corn. Hard it's hard corn. It's field corn, I tell you.  

[00:37:19] Duuude-Ron :

Hard core,  

[00:37:22] Rich Chelson:

harlequin,   not, romance novels, essentially.   They would they wanted the story   that came into play, and, basically, it was about taming,   essentially, the wild man   or taming somebody. It was, there were there are, five   types of characters that women really kinda dug.   There's the vampire,   there's the werewolf,   there is the doctor,   the surgeon, and the pirate.   And those are the types those are the five types of of   of guys because, you know, you got the swashbuckling   pirate. He was out killing and swashbuckling and swinging from, from ropes and, you know,   and   stealing,   treasure and hiding it in the on the beach and, you know, all that. And then you have the vampire, which is this, you know, dark mysterious creature. You got the you got the wild man. Study done? I don't know. Like I said, it's,   Jordan Peterson was talking about it.  



[00:38:30] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:38:30] Duuude-Ron :

So   Well, since I don't know who that is, we'll we'll just continue on. So, well, let's see here.  

[00:38:39] Unknown:

Jordan Peterson's a   a a very smart individual about Yeah.   A lot of things. He's,   well, he's   besides being a motivational speaker, I mean, he can articulate   quite a few subjects   and,   yeah, blow your mind. I mean I mean,   what we talk about politics, Jordan Peterson can yeah. He's he's light years ahead of us. I mean, shoot. A lot of people are light years ahead of us. You know?  

[00:39:09] Duuude-Ron :

You should ain't that the truth. Just, you know, just like Shapiro.  

[00:39:14] Unknown:

Right.  

[00:39:15] Duuude-Ron :

He is a very, very   intelligent,   well spoken,   debater.   Yes, sir. He he does not debate   over   opinion. He debates on   facts.  

[00:39:34] Unknown:

Right. So does Jordan Peterson and,   see see Charlie Kirk, he does the same thing.   I mean and and you see, this is what screws up a lot of people because people   want   to, you know,   debate opinions   and not the facts because people don't know the facts. But but, like like like this here, though, I mean I mean, Jordan Peterson was saying,   you know you know, saying,   five different types of guys from the harlequin   romances. I mean, they were wrote back in,   what, seventies and eighties?  

[00:40:11] Rich Chelson:

Oh, no. They still write them.  

[00:40:13] Unknown:

Really?  

[00:40:14] Rich Chelson:

Oh, hell yeah. They're still harlequin romances. They have they have the the softcore   harlequin,   novels that are still put out,   you know, by harlequin themselves, but then they also have the hardcore.   And when I said hardcore, I mean, the hardcore is, like, take 50 shades of gray and and crank that puppy up a couple dodges.  

[00:40:37] Unknown:

Oh, wow. Okay. I mean, I I mean,   I remember back in the day when   Harlequin   romances, I mean, all the girls were reading  

[00:40:47] Rich Chelson:

them. You know? Yeah. For the same reason, guys like to watch playboys   Okay. For the very same reason.  

[00:40:55] Unknown:

You know, I've I've I've looked at Playboy, Hustler. I I've looked at a lot of different of those magazines,   and none of them really   got me going, to be honest with you.   Because it would you know, when I looked at them, it was like,   I ain't never gonna get that girl right there.  

[00:41:15] Rich Chelson:

No. But what happened what happened is about the time you turned about twenty twenty one and you looked, all of a sudden, you saw girls that were your age, and you're like, holy shit.   You know? When we're teenagers and stuff, there's, like, 28,   20 nine, 30 year old girls. You're like, oh, yeah. Wow. She's   she's she's way too old for me. She'd have no interest in me. And then all of a sudden,   somewhere along the way, it was like, hey. We're the same age. And I was like, oh my god. You're young.   It's like, hey, baby. How you doing? Now it's like, hey. Oh my god. You were   Right? You you I I was out of I was out of out of school when you were first born. Oh my god.  



[00:41:58] Unknown:

You you know what? It said, you know, some of the girls that Yeah. Well, now, actually, it few years. You know, they're you know, I've been out of school   for thirty plus years.   Yep. And it's like,   ouch.  

[00:42:12] Rich Chelson:

That hurts. You know? Oh, yeah. No. It's it's like, oh my gosh. You're as old as my   daughter. Yeah. That's bad. That's we're not doing the play in that game.  

[00:42:22] Unknown:

Right.   But   yeah. It it just I don't know. But I I mean, okay. What about today, though? I mean I mean, look at,   well, I mean, I don't know. I haven't I haven't studied   what,   what,   you know, the types of men women like because,   you know, I just   screw it. I don't care.  

[00:42:46] Rich Chelson:

Okay. Here it is. It's was pub it was, Google engineers studied on women's preferred pornographic archetypes were published in a book called A Billion Wicked Thoughts in 02/2011.   This research analyzed billions of Internet searches and revealed that women tended to search for,   literary representations of pornography rather than visual content.   The study identified five classic male monster archetypes in the female pornographic   literary fantasies of vampire werewolf, billionaire, pirate, or surgeon.   These findings,   shed light on the complex nature of female sexual fantasies and the preferences in pornographic content.  



[00:43:26] Unknown:

Okay.   So so the women women would rather read their porn   Yeah. Than men would rather watch it. Yeah. Men women are more  

[00:43:36] Rich Chelson:

mental   in more ways than one. Yeah. In more ways than one. So   but they I wasn't going there. I wasn't going there. I wasn't going there. Know. Go.   I don't know. And my yeah. And my wife has, has said that. It's like she's like, I've gotta be   I gotta have the right   line of thought   to to be   to be sexual.   And it's like, and that kinda just blows my mind. It's it's like, well, no. Because when we were, you know, when we were younger,   you know, all I had to do is basically put my hand on your side and your clothes fell off. It was you know, what's what changed between, you know,   you know,   twenty eight years ago versus now?  

And, you know, and it's but that's the media is part of it. Well, the media but, I mean, this is something that women have gone through   their whole life. I mean, come on, there is a,   there is a book,   that,   that a a   a preacher's wife put out back, I wanna say, like, in the eighteen hundreds.   And I'll see if I can, find it. But, anyhow, she went through, and she was describing   how   to be a proper wife.   And some of it was how to, you know, she would talk about, you know, doing things around the house and things like that. But when it come to marital business   and you're and you're not out to have a kid, she would give different ways. Make one was always make sure that the lights are turned out and have the room as dark as possible. So maybe the man will trip and fall and hurt himself, and then you won't have to worry about doing it.  

And, you know, and she just   had all these different things. And so that's a part that's part of where I got my   that my thought that, you know, women just don't like sex.  

[00:45:44] Unknown:

But but you oh, okay. Oh, okay. I I can I can understand   why you would tend to think something like that, but but let me ask you this?   Now I understand Google did this, you know, search and it or   research over,   and it was spread over a lot. But   out of all the women   in in   America, let alone the world,   they all don't think like that.   You know? There are some girls that that do really enjoy sex. Oh, yeah. There's there are those rare unicorns,  

[00:46:19] Rich Chelson:

and they are truly rare.  

[00:46:27] Unknown:

You see, that's the thing. I I say, I   I don't know. I see, I'd   I would have a hard time fully agreeing with that,   research from Google. Part of it, yeah, I could I could I could probably agree with, but   but,   yeah, I would   I would have to slightly disagree to some point.   I could be wrong. You know? Probably am.  

[00:47:09] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. That's it. Wife.  

[00:47:11] Rich Chelson:

Alright. Sorry. I'm still I'm trying to trying to put out the put out the proper   question that I wanna wanna ask go on on the perplexity.   I've got to where I kinda like that search engine. If I'm looking for just a piece of knowledge,   perplexity is a great way to do it.   Really? Because you can look it up. It'll tell you what you wanna know, and then it also   footnotes   its sources.   So you can go through, look at it, go, okay. Is this this okay. Where did you pull this one from? What's you know? And it's oh, two. Two two is, alright, out of this book. Alright.   You can go and pull up that page or that book and   and, and see how and read that portion of it and understand that detail a little better.  



[00:48:02] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Yeah. Well, me, I just like a swag, a good swag.   And for those of our audience that don't know what swag is, it's   a sophisticated   wild ass guess.  

[00:48:22] Rich Chelson:

I'm good with that. I thought it was stuff we all get.   Wrong. Say, I don't get it.  

[00:48:34] Unknown:

Yeah. I I don't know. I'm I mean, I mean, some of this stuff   they, they, put out,   you know,   some of it is just   out there.   I mean, I'm like I said, I'm not saying that that it's not true or whatnot, but   wrapping my little pea brain around something like that is just, yeah, just a little too much.  

[00:49:01] Rich Chelson:

You   know?  

[00:49:05] Unknown:

And maybe that's That's why I'm still single.  

[00:49:13] Duuude-Ron :

That's not it.   Well, the reason why you're single is you're grumpy.  

[00:49:19] Rich Chelson:

Nuh-uh.  

[00:49:24] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:49:25] Rich Chelson:

And this may not be it, but let's see. Yeah. Give little well, okay. Yeah.   Now that's the segment that I've seen before. Give little, give seldom, give, and above all, give grudgingly.   Instruction and advice for a young bride,   on conduct and the procedure for intimate and personal relationships in   state, sanctity,   of this blessed sacrament of the glory of God by Ruth Smithers,   beloved wife of, reverend l d Smithers, pastor of the Arcanian Methodist Church of the, Eastern Regional,   Regional   Conference published in the year of our lord of 1894.   Spiritual Guidance Press, New York City, New York City. Instruction and advice for the young bride to, to the sensitive young woman   who has, had the benefits of a proper upbringing. Wedding day is ironically both the happiest and most terrifying   day of their life.  

On the op positive side, there's the wedding itself, which the bride is the central attraction in a beautiful and inspiring ceremony, sub symbolizing her triumph and securing a male to provide all her needs to the for the rest of her life. On the negative side, there is the wedding night, which during, during which the bride must pay the piper, so to speak, by facing for the first time the terrible experience of sex.   So, at this point, young reader, let me concede with one shocking truth. Some young, some young women actually anticipate the wedding night ordeal with curiosity and pleasure.   Beware of such an attitude. A sell, a selfish and sensual husband can easily take advantage of such a bride. One cardinal rule of the marriage should never be forgotten. Give little, give seldom,   and above all, give grudgingly.  

Otherwise, what, could have been a proper marriage could become an orgy of sexual lust. And on the other hand, bride's terror   need not be extreme. While sex is at best revolting and at worst, but rather painful, it has to be endured and has been, and has been by women since the beginning of time. It is compensated   by,   for by the monogamous home and by children produced through it. It is useless in most in most cases for the bride to prevail upon the groom for forego to forego the sexual in initiation.   While the ideal husband would be one who would preapproach   his bride only as her request and only for the purpose of begetting offspring, such nobility and unselfishness cannot be expected by the average man.  

So for most men,   if not denied, would, determine sex almost every day, or demand sex almost every day. Though a wise bride will permit a maximum of two brief sexual experiences weekly during the first month of marriage. At this time goes by, she should, make a, make every effort to reduce this frequency.   Feigned illness, sleepiness, headaches are among the wife's best friends in this matter. Arguments, nagging, scolding, bickering can also provide very effective. If used in the late evening, about an hour before, the husband would normally commence his seduction.   The clever wife will ever be on the alert and bet for better and better methods for new and better methods of denying and discouraging and amorous over overtures   of the husband. A good wife should expect,   to have reduced sexual contact to once a week by the end of the first year of marriage and to once a month by the end of the fifth year of marriage.  

By their tenth anniversary, many wives have managed to complete their childbearing   and have achieved the ultimate goal of terminating all sexual contact with husband. And by this time, she can depend on his love for the children and social pressures to hold the husband in the home just as she would,   be, be ever alert to keep the tranquility of sex as low as possible.   Or the quality of sex is as low as possible. The the wise bride will pay equal attention to limiting,   the kind and degree of sexual contacts.   Most men are by nature rather perverted. And if, given half a chance, would engage in quite a variety of the most revolting practices. These practices include, among other things, the normal act of in,   in abominable   positions,   mouthing the woman's body and offering their own vile bodies to be mouthed and turned.  

Nudity and talking about sex, reading stories about sex, viewing photographs, drawings, depicting, or suggesting sex are the obnoxious habits of male is quietly,   is likely to acquire,   be to acquire if if permitted.   A wise bride will make it the the goal never to allow her husband to see her unclothed and never allow him to display his unclothed body to her. Sex, when it cannot be prevented, should be practiced only in total darkness. Many women have found it useful to have a thick cotton nightgown for themselves and pajamas for their husbands. These should, be donned in separate rooms, and they need to be not be removed during sex act. Thus, a minimum of flesh is exposed. Once the bride has donned her gown, turn off all the lights, and she should lie quietly upon the bed and await and await her groom. When he comes in groping into the room, she should make no sound to guide him into her direction, lest he take it as a sign of encouragement. She should let him grope in the dark. There is always hope that he will stumble and incur some slight injury with what, she can use as an excuse to deny him as sexual   access. And when he finds her, the wife should lie as still as possible. Bodily on,   motion on her part would be interpreted as sexual excitement by the optimistic husband. If he attempts to kiss her on the lift, she should turn her head slightly so that the kiss falls harmlessly on her cheek instead. And if he attempts to kiss her hand, she should make a fist. And if he lifts her down,   to kiss her, here any place else, she should quickly pull the dress the gown back down in place, spring from the bed, and announce that nature calls for, calls to the toilet and will generally dampen his desire to kiss the forbidden territory.  

It just kinda keeps going on.  

[00:55:28] Duuude-Ron :

So I was wondering I was wondering if you're gonna read the whole book to us. Oh, well, no. It's just. But, hey.  

[00:55:33] Rich Chelson:

I'll   but now let's see. It's just it's things like that. So  

[00:55:41] Duuude-Ron :

Which rolls down to '9.  

[00:55:44] Rich Chelson:

Say again?  

[00:55:45] Unknown:

That was in 1899.  

[00:55:48] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   It was. It was.   Right?  

[00:55:54] Duuude-Ron :

Which all boils down to   women   are emotional,   men are physical.   Yep.   Other than that, you know, man,   I know I'm a physical type of individual.  

[00:56:10] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah.   But   So but anyhow yeah. Yeah. So   but, yeah, there's I mean, there's just it's,   random.   We'd hop about four different topics in that, but yeah.   Okay, man. So but yeah. I mean, it it's just   it's   you have things like that. And, I mean, you've heard and then we've all got the, the the assorted jokes and stuff. So that's that's just kinda where   a lot of the   the   the origin of that thought, that whole line of thinking actually came from   is, you know because, like I said, we've got we we even have,   assorted jokes like, you know, wedding cake reduces a woman's libido by 97%   type of stuff.  

And so   it's   those things have, piled on and and have created, I guess, a   a different,   a set of thoughts. And I think it   I think what actually ends up happening   is,   is that   as life goes on and we're we're doing   life   in a,   in an unintentional manner,   we're just we're, you know, we're just kinda in survival mode when we first have kids.   And,   so, you know, we're getting up. We're guys are we're going to work.   You know, mom's taking care of the baby until dad gets home and and, you know, kinda   let mom grab some sleep, and and dad does what he needs to do with, with the kid and stuff. And so   the opportunities   for intimacy kind of kind of fade up, kinda like what you were saying, Rich.  

It's   you we get out of out of habits. We get out of,   we stop   having the,   the means of   communication. And I think,   the the whole process of dating   actually needs to keep going.   Right. Because I'm I'm   like I said, I I have   that's a thought that I'm fighting with, and I've got   most of it,   most of it tackled. The only time it really kinda creeps up on me nowadays   is whenever I   whenever I, you know, I sit back and I kinda think it's like, well, good grief. It's been been a month and a half since last time   me and the wife   did anything.  

And it's like, well, because she doesn't care. Well, no. It's not that she doesn't care. One, I mean, she doesn't have   the same   same sex drive even I mean, she didn't have she's never actually had the same sex drive as what I had.   But   after she had a hysterectomy, I mean, that's like having guys getting their waybos cut off. They're gonna lose   a lot of the major,   drive   for sex. They're instantly being thrown in. There's not even they're going into perimenopause.   They are instantly thrown into menopause.   But to a bit even higher extreme because they don't have any   of their ovaries left,   which is what generated the estrogen and the progesterone   and our brain and their brain takes the progesterone, I think it's progesterone,   and converts it into,   converts some of it into testosterone.  

And so, yeah, younger women are actually a lot more interested in sex than   older women.   And, technically,   it's a way   older men get. That's the reason why   by the time you turn 60, 70 years old, your your sex drive is nowhere near what it was when you were   in your twenties.   Because now, but Because your level of testosterone   has greatly diminished.  

[01:00:26] Unknown:

Are you sure about that? Yeah.  

[01:00:29] Rich Chelson:

Is About,   about 40 your when you turn well, there's several instances where our our testosterone   dips.   One is when   we have kids.   We actually our testosterone   will take a dip at that time.   But it takes a permanent dip in our around   we the time we take,   turn 40,   and then it takes a major dip when we hit 50.  

[01:00:58] Unknown:

Really? Yeah. Are you sure about that? I'm positive about that.   Positive?  

[01:01:02] Rich Chelson:

Positive.  

[01:01:03] Duuude-Ron :

Reason  

[01:01:05] Unknown:

reason I'm I'm asking, okay, is because I've had my testosterone   level checked,   And   I was told,   you know,   I was told it was fine.  

[01:01:19] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. For your age.  

[01:01:23] Unknown:

I mean, no. I'm not I'm not saying I'm I'm,   you know, I am wearing six inch spikes with my pecker,   you know, like I did when I was 20. Right. You know, I'm not saying that, but still And I'm not saying you're not having having sex drive either.  

[01:01:39] Rich Chelson:

But I am saying   you're not   walking around with a permanent boner, like you said,   when you were like you were in the twenties.  

[01:01:47] Unknown:

Well, you say you say that's the thing because,   one,   I've grown up   in my twenties that   I was only worried about working,   fighting, and fucking.  

[01:01:59] Rich Chelson:

That's it. Where where was those those last two? What are those coming from?  

[01:02:06] Unknown:

Testosterone. I know this. Testosterone.  

[01:02:08] Duuude-Ron :

Exactly. From the head.   From the head that has no brain.  

[01:02:13] Rich Chelson:

Yep. So it's it's the,   actually, it's from the berries. But,   but yeah. So  

[01:02:20] Unknown:

But no. No. I no. I know this. But but, see, the thing is, though, I mean I mean, even in my thirties and forties,   you know, I was I was doing really good. And, I mean, it's just I look at it now. It's like it's like,   you know, it's it's not that   I have a problem   with low testosterone.   It's just my mindset   as in, you know, my mind. I've I've learned to,   I guess, kinda   relax more.   You know? I don't need to go fight and fuck all the time.   You know? I like I like to enjoy other things in life, which doesn't, you know   you know, doesn't have sex attached to it.  



[01:03:06] Rich Chelson:

Right. But, again, that is thanks to the fact   that your testosterone level has has dropped naturally.  

[01:03:16] Unknown:

Okay.  

[01:03:18] Duuude-Ron :

Which, overall,   sucks.   Yeah. You know, me and, you know, me, my biggest concern is how much fucking sleep I can get in one night.   You know, it's not how many   how many times can   I have intimacy?   It's like, gee. I wonder how much sleep I can get tonight.   But I guess that's irrelevant to our conversation.   No.  

[01:03:46] Rich Chelson:

No. No. It's not.   But, I mean, that's   that also is,   just   a a an indicator   of the   of the testosterone   levels also.   Because it's, you know, it   we we do have   a lot of drive, and a lot of that is, and women have been able to women that at our age   have gone off and have actually got to experience what it's like to be a 15 year old boy or an 18 year old boy   because,   they actually   have bioidentical   testosterone   as a cream.   And women who have,   who are,   there's some treatments where they have to take some of that cream, and they apply it to the inside of the wrists.   And   they all of a sudden have a whole   new appreciation   for teenage boys.  

Because all of a sudden,   sex is on the mind all the damn time.  

[01:05:04] Unknown:

Okay. Why would they have to put that   why would they have to put that on anywhere?  

[01:05:11] Rich Chelson:

It's   honestly, I that part, I don't I don't know other than some form of, hormone replacement therapy.  

[01:05:19] Unknown:

Okay.  

[01:05:20] Rich Chelson:

Possibly. I mean, that's the only reason in my head I I would understand why they would need it, but   you can you can go to go to get,   get,   bioidentical,   hormone, you know, the testosterone   mixed up as a,   as a,   just kind of a skin cream because it'll, it'll   absorb through the skin.   And like I said, usually, we'll have you put it on, on the inside of your wrists.  

[01:05:49] Unknown:

Okay.   No. I was just wondering because I I'm sitting here thinking this, like,   okay. Why would girls,   you know, wanna do this? What what would cause them? Because So but yeah. You know?  

[01:06:03] Rich Chelson:

It okay. It's, it's, just a   I mean, like I said, why I,   why they would do it? I don't know. But, I just know that they have   they have it. You can get it mixed up as a compound.  

[01:06:21] Unknown:

So, basically,   you're saying if you wanna walk around with a Woody  

[01:06:27] Rich Chelson:

every day from the You wanna feel like you're you feel like you're 17 again?   Get a little bit of testosterone, put it on,   and rub it into your skin,   on the inside of your wrist?   The wind will come by and  

[01:06:44] Unknown:

The way it used to do. Yeah.  

[01:06:50] Rich Chelson:

That's crazy. Go off, take a towel, hang it off of it, and just walk around the house.  

[01:06:55] Unknown:

Right. Right.  

[01:06:57] Rich Chelson:

But, again, that's just   it's it's a,   see here. I'll see if I can find the,  

[01:07:07] Duuude-Ron :

somehow, over over over over there. Yeah.  

[01:07:10] Unknown:

Yeah. They just,  

[01:07:13] Rich Chelson:

yeah, I don't know.   Stoster.   Yeah.   Men.   Bi. Age.   Well, I want more than just, okay,   so   age 20 to 24,   anywhere from 409   to 558,   whatever, n g nanograms, I guess. I don't know what their what the n g's. Anyhow, so the number is   the number is is in n g for d l. Again, no idea what that fucking means. But, anyhow   so 28 to 24, you're looking at on the low side,   that will have fun. We'll start at the high side.   Low side is 409, and it'll go up to 558.   20 5 to 29   goes up even more to about 575,   as a hindsight.   You hit 30, all of a sudden, it drops to about 498.   30 five to 39,   four hundred and 70 eight.  

And by the time you hit 40,   you're, four about about four seventy three.   That's if you're hitting,   hitting the high side.   Now I'm not getting this because we just said 40 to 44,   and then it says forty to forty nine.  

[01:08:47] Duuude-Ron :

Right. And after fifty what? It's twelve?  

[01:08:51] Rich Chelson:

No. No.   It is   actually,   the hell is going on here. I'm not under oh, okay. I'm not understanding this now.   See here. Because now it's actually it shows that it's it goes up.   So from 40 to 49, according to according to one of the deals, it shows you get up to   of total testosterone   is 916.   But but the but the,   by age,   if you look at the, look, they have a graph by age, and it show kinda shows what I'm talking about where, you know, in twenties, you have this huge spike.   Yeah. I'm just looking at something wrong. Again, I I don't know. I'm I don't know how to read half the shit.   I just see   her.  



[01:09:46] Unknown:

Well, see that I I I mean I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong because you're sitting there reading,   you know, reading what it's, you know,   you   know, saying to you and stuff like this.   But, it's   you know, that's why I don't I don't always always believe what they say.  

[01:10:06] Duuude-Ron :

Right.  

[01:10:07] Unknown:

You know what I mean?   Okay. Okay. Check this out.   Did you ever find a range for   50 to 55?  

[01:10:17] Rich Chelson:

50 to 55. It shows 215   to 2, 878,   which, again, I'm not catching why why that is so much higher than a 20 year old   because then   it shows   yeah. I'll take this image, and I'll I'll see if I can. I don't even know if I can take this image.   Let's see here.   Okay. Because it shows between twin so point,   about   15 to 20.   There's a of this   jumps all the way up to about   total testosterone   for for sixteen to twenty year old is about 1,200.  

[01:11:13] Unknown:

Really?  

[01:11:14] Rich Chelson:

Yeah.   And then from 20 to about 40,   it ranges around 950,   and then 40 to 50 is 960.   And the   and from 50 to 60 shows 878,   somewhere in there. I guess something's been   recorded wrong because, yeah, it's   like like five because like I said, 2024   is 578,   so I'm gonna have to look and see if I find different,  

[01:11:43] Unknown:

Yeah. I was gonna say, that,   yeah, that's that's just not Average   level. Yeah. Well, okay. I just I just looked up, and it's it's saying the average   testosterone   levels   for,   someone who's fifty five, a man,   two fifteen to eight seventy eight.  

[01:12:03] Rich Chelson:

Yep.  

[01:12:05] Unknown:

So   as it's saying it's saying between,   starting around the age 30,   it, it decreases   approximately   11%.   Yeah. Per year.   So   I don't know because   reason you know, reason I was asking is because   I pulled up my my lab results from the VA when they tested my testosterone,   and I'm at two ninety seven point two.   And it says a reference range,  

[01:12:39] Rich Chelson:

at the VA here, one seven So, I mean, that's for it that's that's right. That's middle.  

[01:12:45] Unknown:

So, I mean, that's why they said mine was fine. Right. But, again, if you were 19,  

[01:12:52] Rich Chelson:

you know, it would you'd be sitting right in between 300 and a thousand.  

[01:12:59] Unknown:

Okay.  

[01:13:01] Rich Chelson:

So  

[01:13:03] Unknown:

So I guess I guess I need to get some of this   cream so I could walk around   with a tent. So  

[01:13:12] Rich Chelson:

Only if you wanna go off and and   and and   and embarrass   embarrass guys or you or you can actually go go hang around a bunch of, bunch of teenage kids and, you know,   carry your big notebook.   Sit there. Go to your whiz best call. You're I don't know what you're doing.   Suit. I'll get you help.  

[01:13:41] Unknown:

No. Hey. Hey. See, I I don't know. You see, this shit this shit a lot of this shit, I don't   freaking worry about. One of my other doctors,   I was I was,   talking with him. It was my ortho doc, I think. He's cool.   Kinda cool, I guess.   And,   he was he was asking me about my energy levels,   and I had told I had told my doc too. You know, I had told her. I said I said, doc, I'm fucking exhausted because, she was talking about   taking me off my   vitamin   b. I'm like, oh, hell no.  

[01:14:20] Rich Chelson:

No. You ain't doing that. No. We need vitamin d for the blood cells so I could have a little bit of energy.   No. No. Not d b. Bravo. I know. B. That's what I said. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I guess that's the reason why they do the phonetics,   because b, d, g,   c all sound the same.  

[01:14:38] Unknown:

Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And   and say that's like   that's like working this contest this past weekend.   You know, sometimes,   I mean, well, a lot of times we use phonetic   phonetics, especially   when you're talking with someone around the world that English is not their first language.   And,   sometimes them even using phonetics is it's hard to understand.   You know? Right.   So but yeah.  

[01:15:08] Rich Chelson:

One of and and it's kinda funny because one of our a, a podcast a fellow podcaster that,   you and I know   Uh-huh.   What was he used he he was talking about,   he was talking to somebody and went to go use their call sign.   And   I don't know. Maybe it's the military in me, but, anyhow, he slaughtered the phonetic.   Oh god. No. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, slaughtered the phonetic. I mean, he was like,   like, Apple Boy   I I just giving a shout out to, you know, like, Charles Smith,   Apple   Boy, Carrel,   one two,   what was it? 12,   and and, you know,   Miguel.  

So I was just like, oh, Jesus Christ, man. Well Really? You did not just do that.  

[01:16:06] Unknown:

Right. Now now   now I will say I will say sometimes,   in a ham radio and it's you know, we don't do it all the time, but sometimes   depending on propagation,   like like, when you say, like like my call, November 5, bravo, Lima, Mike. Right?   The way I say it, Lima,   Mike sounds like it's ran together, so I've got to,   use different phonetics,   you know, like like, bravo London, Mexico.   And and sometimes saying it that way in the pitch of my voice with it going out to, like, Spain or Portugal or, you know, wherever.   Uh-huh. You know, sometimes   it's, easier for the other person to catch my call quicker.  

You know? Normally, though, I guess, I do say it November 5 bravo Lima Mike.   But,   that's that's just   that's just military in me. But sometimes if, you know, if, someone says again and again,   that means   propagation is probably rough on their end, and and they're having a hard time hearing me. So, you know, if I say London, Mexico,   you know,   they can catch because when you say, like, Mexico,   you've got different inflections in your voice. So   so some sometimes, yeah. You know, we have changed things up, but,   normally, most everyone uses the military version of   phonetics  

[01:17:47] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[01:17:49] Unknown:

Which is a blessing.   Trust me. It's a blessing.   So   but but, yeah, that's that's a shame that that he butchered that call sign.  

[01:18:07] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. It was just it's just   it it was it was so cringe. So  

[01:18:14] Unknown:

You should have wrote him an email like, dude,   come on now.   I mean  

[01:18:20] Rich Chelson:

you know, he's he's he's   and it's no. It's not it's not Adam Curry that we're talking about. It   it's a different podcaster that,   that that we both know. And so I'm not gonna call him out on here.   But Why not? I mean Why not? Because it   it it's just he's he's gotten his he's gotten his his license here very recently.   So  

[01:18:43] Unknown:

Okay.  

[01:18:44] Rich Chelson:

I'll stop. I mean, he he's he's he's lanced onto it. I mean, he's got his he's got his,   his radio in his car and everything else. And  

[01:18:53] Unknown:

Well, that's cool. I mean, there's Oh, yeah. Nothing wrong with that, but but edging someone to learn military phonetics   is is there's not a problem   with doing that. Okay.  

[01:19:06] Duuude-Ron :

You you know, and   the military has their phonetic phonetics.   Law enforcement   does not follow the same   phonetics.  

[01:19:17] Unknown:

Yes. I know.   It drives me up a wall.  

[01:19:21] Duuude-Ron :

I I   I   will agree with you   because   we are all   prior   military   and had to memorize a phonetic alphabet for the military,   and that we did that for years and years and years.   Yep. Right. And now it's basically hardwired.   So   okay. And when we listen to law enforcement,   maybe the law enforcement officers have will never have been in the military.   So when they learn that phonetic alphabet,   when they hear somebody from the military   talking their phonetic alphabet,   they're like, what the fuck is this guy saying? That you know, it's wrong.   Okay.  

It's just what you have been hardwired to   accept.   And, yeah, it drives when I listen to,   you know, like,   watching cops or police shows,   and they're running their phonetic alphabet, it's like, that's wrong.   Well Right. I get it. You know, I bet you that   somebody that was prior military   goes into law enforcement,   and I bet you they're just agitated all the fucking time.  

[01:20:49] Unknown:

Well, you know, I I I have kinda wondered about that, how how, veterans who have gone into   law, law enforcement,   how do they make the transition? Because,   yeah, because   I mean  

[01:21:05] Duuude-Ron :

They just have to rewire themselves.   Because for us now hard.   You know, for us now, we don't even think   about   what is r,   what is j.   Romeo Juliet.   Exactly.   We don't even   think   about it. It just flows off of our tongues.  

[01:21:31] Rich Chelson:

Right. Right?  

[01:21:33] Duuude-Ron :

So that's just, you know,   what we were taught, and then you just have to be   retaught.   But I'm sure it is   a very   hard struggle   going from the military to law enforcement.  

[01:21:51] Unknown:

I believe it would be.   I don't know. I it just I'd   I I remember seeing the,   policeman's,   list of phonetics, and   I read through it. And I just   you know, I had already been in the military, and I'm like, yeah. No. This this just I can't.   I just it it hurt my brain  

[01:22:18] Duuude-Ron :

to think that hard. Because   yeah. Okay. When and when you're in basic training,   not knowing any   phonetic alphabet,   unless you possibly did ROTC   in high school,   You didn't know how hard was it to learn the phonetic alphabet.   It took a while.  

[01:22:43] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, honestly honestly, I don't remember.   You know?  

[01:22:48] Duuude-Ron :

I do. I remember my basic training and, you know, the aspect of trying to learn the phonetic alphabet. Oh, yeah.  

[01:22:56] Unknown:

Well, I remember my basic training. That's just the class on on learning the alphabet. I don't, you know,   I don't   I don't remember. I just I learned it. I passed it. We good. You know? But you see and that's like with, ham radio.   Sometimes,   you know, when hands use, you know, different phonetics,   sometimes it'll slow me up. Because normally, you know, if if someone is using military phonetics   like we normally do,   I mean, it just it just translates   automatically, and I can write it down just as fast as they're writing it.   You know? Yeah. Yeah. But,   you know, if they use different words, like, some will use kilowatt   per kilo.  

And I'm thinking, no, dumbass. It's kilo. It's not kilowatt.   You know? But, you know, I don't say it, but   or,   you know,   yeah. Yeah. Some people make up cute words for their call, and it helps and it helps you to understand their call better because they know not everybody   is is as versed   into phonetics as,   you know, we are, you know, veterans are or whatnot. So  

[01:24:14] Duuude-Ron :

Military. Yeah. Military   to, you know,   law enforcement,   you know, any emergency   management system.  

[01:24:24] Unknown:

Right. So yeah. So  

[01:24:27] Duuude-Ron :

Civilians   just don't   a lot of civilians just don't know   just don't know it.   Right. So they're they're gonna   figure out their own   that,   you know,   how it sounds good to them.   Right.  

[01:24:48] Unknown:

And, yeah, especially especially, like   like, if you're running in a contest,   you know, figuring out how to say your call sign   that's easy for you. Like like, my first ever call sign was KiloCharlie0ZuluVictorRadio.   Okay?   Now   you take that call sign, and you try to run a contest with it.   I would get tongue tied on that.   I mean and it was my call sign.  

[01:25:20] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   It just didn't flow.  

[01:25:24] Unknown:

No. It didn't. Just didn't flow. No. It did not. That's why that's why when when I made general,   say, I I think I think I had,   as   well, when I thought about it, see, I had my first call sign,   the, kilo Charlie zero,   and   I think I think I had it for three,   maybe four years.   I can't remember exactly.   And,   I said, no. Screw this. I'm gonna change it up. And so that's why I went and picked it's a vanity call. It's it's classified as a vanity call, but I picked November 5, bravo Lima Mike, because I can roll that.  

[01:26:11] Duuude-Ron :

Uh-huh.  

[01:26:12] Unknown:

But my first call sign, oh, hell no. You got a pile up of, like, you know, a thousand motherfuckers trying to call somebody.   And here I am, you know, everyone's done talking for thirty seconds, and I'm still trying to spit my call out. No.   I'm like, I'm done.   You know? So, yeah, that's why that that's why I changed my call sign.   My first one was not conducive   to to,   good contacts.   So,   yeah, I was like, no.   Now if I ever upgrade to extra,   I don't know if I'll probably keep my my same call sign   that I have now   just because   I've had it so long,   and I can still roll it off my tongue.  

Because, yeah, believe me, when you're trying to bust a pile up when, you know, when someone calls QRZed   and you can hear   a thousand motherfuckers trying to call this guy   or gal, whoever it is,   and then you throw your call in there. And then and then when you unkey the mic, you still got   500 more trying to throw their call in.   Yeah.   It's it's a challenge.   That's why that's why I got it to roll   so I can compete with everybody else.  

[01:27:42] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. But when they're using   a botched,   as we would call it, a botched phonetic   alphabet, you know, then you're trying to, like, what the fuck did he just say? And write down that. It's like, yeah. Okay.   Have to write it, like you know, say it two or three times to for somebody to understand or write it down.  

[01:28:05] Unknown:

Right. Right.   Well, Well, that's like that's like it's funny when I've talked to some people, you know, and I've I've I've   told them my call sign,   you know, that,   they'll just come back with November 5, Bureau of Land Management. How are you doing today?   You know?   That's that's the,   you know, that's that's the words that came to their mind,   you know, when they said it. And it's   it's   it's actually kinda cool when they do that.  

[01:28:38] Rich Chelson:

You know?  

[01:28:41] Unknown:

But,   yeah, it depends.   And I and see, that's like,   well, you've got call signs from around the world that are like, eight papa,   five papa alpha.   Yeah. Where was he from? Virgin Islands, I think.   No.   So no.   He was from an island.   I don't know if it was the Canary Islands. Well,   what am I   doing?   I can tell you where he was from. Hang on.   I've got it right here.  

[01:29:18] Duuude-Ron :

Why? Because you wrote it down.  

[01:29:22] Unknown:

No. Actually, it says in my,   eight papa.  

[01:29:27] Duuude-Ron :

Your call log?  

[01:29:29] Unknown:

Yeah.   Barbados.   Eight Papa Five Papa Alpha.   Barbados.   So  

[01:29:41] Rich Chelson:

you  

[01:29:42] Unknown:

you see that's   that's in what? South America?   I can't remember.   I would have to look it up.  

[01:29:54] Rich Chelson:

But  

[01:29:56] Unknown:

yeah. I but yeah. Yeah. Him like, him and, like,   like, Finland, Iceland, Sweden,   like well, Poland's got,   Sierra Papa five five.   Well, there's one there there was one Victor   was it Victor nine nine Yankee?   Can't remember.   Because he was he was,   reason why that that that rings a bell   for Victor nine five   because,   he's   he's a  

[01:30:36] Duuude-Ron :

rare one.  

[01:30:38] Unknown:

He's a very rare one.   Oh, papa 49Yankee.   Aruba.   That was one I don't get a lot.   Y'all there?   I am. Yeah. Okay.  

[01:30:52] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Here's a question for you. Are call signs   grouped,   like, phonetically   per country?   You know, kinda like   the country code for on your phone   when you have   +1 254.   2 5 4 is my area code. What does the one stand for?   That's the country code.   Yeah.   You know, eight being China,   do ham   call signs   do they get grouped by   region   or just   when they apply period,   this is what you get. And if you don't like it, then you can go and change it?  

[01:31:45] Unknown:

You know, honestly, in other countries, I'm not sure because, like like, Argentina,   they've got different ones.   Like, this one I talked to, one of the last ones,   Lima uniform seven Yankee Zulu.   Okay? But they have Lima Yankee.   You know, it's not all just Lima uniform. It's it's all different ones, and that'd be all, like, in Argentina.   Like Mexico here, four alpha seven,   Sierra.   Okay.   A lot of times in Mexico, ones I've seen are X-ray echo one or X-ray echo two, so it's a different part of Mexico.  

[01:32:26] Duuude-Ron :

So, I mean, as Okay. So so different regions start their,   call signs in a specific   pattern,   like with what you just said.   Argentina has   this, Mexico has that.  

[01:32:46] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. And it's yeah. Because, like,   well, I've got two here from Brazil. One is PapaTango7PapaTango,   and the second one is PapaYankee5ZuluHotelPapa.   And they're both in Brazil.  

[01:33:00] Duuude-Ron :

But Okay. But both of them started with a p.   Yeah.  

[01:33:07] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:33:09] Duuude-Ron :

I'm tracking.  

[01:33:11] Unknown:

Okay.  

[01:33:12] Duuude-Ron :

I gotcha.  

[01:33:14] Unknown:

Yeah. So, I mean yeah. It's it's,   I mean, it's cool, actually, but yeah. No. It it just yeah. Different countries   have their own way of doing things, and some start with numbers. Some start with,   you know, letters,   and it's just up to the country.   You know?  

[01:33:32] Duuude-Ron :

Right. Yeah. I got it.  

[01:33:35] Rich Chelson:

So  

[01:33:40] Duuude-Ron :

So you're ready to talk politics   for the night?  

[01:33:46] Rich Chelson:

Well, we can.  

[01:33:48] Duuude-Ron :

You know,   I watched the State of the Union.   I can't remember what they call it these days.  

[01:33:55] Rich Chelson:

Well, that wasn't the State of the Union. That was just a,   just,   Trump addressing the,  

[01:34:03] Duuude-Ron :

addressing the Joint House.   Right. It used to be called State of the Union.  

[01:34:08] Rich Chelson:

Hey.   I don't think that's State of the Union.   Again, I can be alright. State of the Union this year.  

[01:34:16] Duuude-Ron :

Well, the   it it's   renamed,   but it is   it's actually the State of the Union address. You know, after the for right at the first hundred days, and then   every year thereafter.   But, anyway,   so now   I was watching,   Fox network.   Right. And all these Democrats   that are just, like,   up in arms   of what   Trump said   on his   speech.   You know, they are   yeah. It's just   they   they either did not wanna talk, period,   or, you know, they were   most of them were appalled by   the speech. It's like,   how the hell can you be appalled   by a speech   that is trying to   benefit   everybody in The United States?  

Well, I'll put it to you like that. Not everybody in The United States,   other than   the   politicians   and   wealthy.   You know, all these cuts that they're doing that he talked about,   getting all that stopped, okay, yeah, that could give every American, say,   for instance, a thousand dollar   stimulus check.   Yeah. With and everybody in America   making less I'd you know, making less than 500,000.   Who knows?   But they don't wanna fucking   the Democrats   don't want to   stop the frivolous spending because   in one way, shape, or form,   it all comes back around   for these individuals that have the friends,   that have   that are the lobbyists, that have the groups that's gonna put money into   their pocket.  

Oh.   You know, and that could be you know,   I'd be a crappy politician myself because   I wouldn't do it.   And then I would get singled out and say, you know, everybody else does. Why why are you two good enough to not get a kickback?   Well, yeah, you know, it's kinda fucking illegal,   but that's their mentality.   And it may not be so much just the Democrats. It's it's   politicians   in general.   Look at all these mayors,   Democrat or Republican,   that, you know, get funding   and then just,   in some way, shape, or form, it gets back into   their pocket or they personally benefit from it. You know, using a government credit card to take a vacation.  

Gee, I wish I had my government credit card still, and I can go take a fucking vacation to   Disney World or, you know, who knows?  

[01:37:47] Rich Chelson:

Right.  

[01:37:49] Duuude-Ron :

That would be awfully nice. And then not   have to pay the bill.   Let the government pay the bill.   Yeah.   So they're just they're royally up in arms right now   about what   the president's speech was the other night.  

[01:38:10] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah.  

[01:38:11] Duuude-Ron :

And I'm like, you know what? Well, if you don't listen,   here here's the thing.   You were invited   by the president to come to that   speech.   If you didn't wanna go or if you didn't wanna listen to it,   just   don't show up.  

[01:38:33] Rich Chelson:

But then they would struggle with,   with getting their word out. It's like, but I've gotta stand up and and voice that there that you have no mandate   because that's what I've been told is that you don't have no mandate. And so,   yeah, I'm gonna be, I'm I'm gonna stand up and and and holler in the middle of your speech because, you know,   I'm more important than you.  

[01:38:56] Duuude-Ron :

You know what? Personally,   I think that the speaker of the house,   when what was it? Al Green   Yep. He wouldn't shut his mouth, got escorted out.   You know, at the very beginning,   all of the Democrats that were trying to overtalk   the president,   if I was a speaker of the house, I would have said, sergeant of arm sergeant in arms,   escort   those individuals   out of this room.   Anybody that is talking   while the president is talking,   escort them out of this room   right now.   You don't wanna follow a decorum.   Get out.   And see, that's why I'm not politically correct.   Right. Of course, I would have thrown a couple of f f bombs and all that other shit in there with it. Right.  

Get the fuck out.   Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you. Split you.   Bye.   You know, it   but but   have a Republican do that to a Democratic president.  

[01:40:23] Unknown:

Marjorie Taylor Greene was one example that comes to mind. She got censured.   So did Al Green. Al Green got censured today, which, I mean, I don't really know what that means. But  

[01:40:38] Duuude-Ron :

You know, I need to look that up and get some more knowledge on that.   You know?   Who was the lady that got censored? That's the bald lady. Right?  

[01:40:50] Unknown:

No.   Marjorie Taylor Green.  

[01:40:54] Duuude-Ron :

I I don't remember.  

[01:40:55] Unknown:

She was a Republican from   Texas or Georgia. I can't remember which.   But   she's very outspoken, which, I mean, that's fine. I don't I don't have a problem with that at all. You know?   But the Democrat censured her,   you know, because she's the ones to,   speak her mind, and   she doesn't have much of a filter. She's not politically correct.   You know?   And, I mean, some of the stuff she says has got gotten her in our hot water, and she's had to,   you know,   back up on a couple things, but she still says   what she wants. You know?   Uh-huh.  



[01:41:46] Duuude-Ron :

But I think the funniest thing is is if we had a president come in   wearing bib overalls,   a flannel shirt,   and   chewing on a,   a wheat,   a a stalk of wheat   or, you know, a blade of grass   and have no   no no political,   you know, agenda.   Yeah. Okay.   President Trump was never a politician.   He was a businessman.   And that's what he's trying to do   with   the country.   Get it back in order   for a profitable   business.  

[01:42:46] Unknown:

Right. Well, this is what he did in his first term.   Yeah.  

[01:42:52] Duuude-Ron :

And the pres the the next president before that   was Reagan,   but then he, you know,   he fucked some shit up   that is coming back. Okay?   The all the mandates for the,   truck driving industry.   I know you told me I can't remember   what it was called that now has all the mandates   in the trucking world.   What was that what was that program that Reagan   started?   I can't remember  

[01:43:31] Unknown:

what I can't remember what Rick's I'm not sure if his program he he   he,   he,   he, he, deregulated   trucking.  

[01:43:41] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, that's that's what you said. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Which caused all these,   you know, issues in the trucking world.  

[01:43:51] Unknown:

Right.  

[01:43:56] Duuude-Ron :

So, you know, but still,   he was not a career politician   coming in,   so he looked at it   from a, you know, a common   person's   thought process. Yeah. He was governor of of California as well and then became president,   but he never started his career   as a politician  

[01:44:21] Unknown:

No.  

[01:44:26] Duuude-Ron :

Or as a lawyer.   Right.   You know, how many of these politicians today are have a, law degree?  

[01:44:37] Unknown:

90% of them, I'd say.   I don't know, but, you know, I would say yeah. Because it seems like everybody's a fucking lawyer.  

[01:44:46] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Everybody   has I you know what?   When you said 90%, I would have to agree   that 90%   of the politicians out there   started   and got a law degree,   but yet have   no fucking clue   on common sense.   But they're, you know, they're all lawyers.   Right. So so I guess they   started the best profession on how you can talk out of the side of your face   and then just progress from there.   But, again, what the fuck do I know?  

[01:45:33] Unknown:

Yeah. See, I I mean, I don't know. That's that's why I I   kinda   just,   you know, as I've said many times before, you know,   yeah, if it don't affect me in the way I live,   I will say eggs are about it's   it's about to kill me. I'm I'm still I'm still not gonna buy eggs   because they're expensive.  

[01:45:57] Duuude-Ron :

Yes. They are. For a dozen   for a dozen here was $5.24.  

[01:46:03] Unknown:

I think,   last time I looked, it was, like, a week or two ago. I think it was,   like, $4.49   or something for a dozen.   Yeah. And I'm like, no. No.   That's just rude.   You know? And and you see, that's the thing.   You know, you you can't tell me   the price of chicken feed's gone up that much. You know? Everyone's flipping out over over these terrorists and all like this saying saying American people's gonna pay more.   See, Donald Trump has has stated from the beginning. Okay? He's like, I'm gonna put these tariffs in place, but I'm gonna give everybody an equal chance.   Bring your shit back to America   and build it here in America.  

Then we won't put tariffs on it.   Yeah. But And, you know, if if you want to talk about that. Everyone wants, oh, people are gonna Americans are gonna have to pay more money.  

[01:47:04] Duuude-Ron :

And   and possibly   in   in an instant, yes, we will. Because if you look at China   and a lot of car parts, you know, my headlights,   the fucking   this, that, and the other, the seats, the hand,   the, the panels, and all made in China. Okay? All my replacement parts.   And the reason why I can't get them at the cost that I can get them   is because, basically, China,   it's   well,   for a lack of a better word, is slave labor.   You know, the average Chinese individual in a,   you know, major factory   are making less than   or right around,   what was it,   $40   a day   for a twelve hour workday.  



[01:48:03] Unknown:

Okay.  

[01:48:04] Duuude-Ron :

Would you   would anybody in The United States work   twelve hours   for $40?  

[01:48:11] Rich Chelson:

Oh, well, you said You might just double check that amount of time. They actually work around fifteen hours   a day.  

[01:48:19] Unknown:

Okay. Okay. Either way. Either way, think about it, though. You see, this is where this is where it's kinda hard   in in some countries to to transfer   what someone makes in in in another country versus what what we make here in America.   Because, like like,   you know, in The Philippines or Thailand,   the cost of living is cheaper.   Okay. And so, I mean, I'm not saying   they're they're living high on the hog, you know, but, you know, a hundred dollars over here in America   doesn't go very fucking far.   And and over over in another country,   a hundred dollars, good god, man. You're good for a week and a half, two weeks. You know? Yeah. I will I will agree with that. Yeah. One yeah. 100%.  

I will agree with that. I mean, I'm not saying that's the way   China is, but you say you have to look at the cost of living there versus here.  

[01:49:20] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah. No. I understand that.   But   bringing those jobs here to America,   you know, the the labor   rate is gonna be con   considerably   higher   overall   even if they're even if they're making minimum wage   compared to some some of these other companies.   But, you know, a lot of our stuff is going to get   exported.   We're not gonna like, the Samsung   con or the Samsung   plant   that they're building down   by Austin,   the owner   there versus   Elon Musk for the Tesla plant   that they   built down by Austin.   They're trying to who can build who can build   the bigger   building?  

Well, Tesla   is a mile   that building   is a mile   long.  

[01:50:30] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:50:31] Duuude-Ron :

And it's four stories.   How wide is it? I don't remember, but it's a it's a mile long. And Samsung   is gonna build theirs their   building   bigger than Tesla   because   the land space that they have   Tesla, they they can't go any further because there's two roads   at either end of the building, so   they can't go any further.  

[01:51:00] Unknown:

They're just having a big dick contest is all it is.  

[01:51:04] Duuude-Ron :

That's all it is. Yep. And Samsung   the owner of Samsung is gonna win   because they have   more   land space that they can build on than what Tesla had.  

[01:51:16] Unknown:

Well, see, that's the thing. Let them build big because that means they need more Americans  

[01:51:22] Duuude-Ron :

That to work.   Yes. That I yes. Exactly right.   But how many of those,   and it's gonna be,   as far as I know, a microchip   factory.   How many of those microchips are actually gonna stay in The United States   versus going overseas?   Who knows?  

[01:51:45] Unknown:

More than you think because,   Samsung is on pace to out outdo Apple.   So,   I just read that the other day. So yeah. No. You see, that's the thing. It it's and and   you see it see, that's the thing. It doesn't matter where the chips go.   Okay? It's it's it's the fact   that they're employing Americans. Toyota Yeah. Has plants here in America. They build and sell the vehicles   here in America and around the world,   but these vehicles   are American made vehicles even though   the company,   you know, is, headquartered in in Japan or wherever. You know?  

[01:52:29] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. It yeah. And you're right. But the senior management   for those factories here in America   are Japanese   individuals,   and they   the workers   in America   have to conform to their   work,   I don't wanna say ideology,   but their work ethics.   And that's what I tell you.   Yes.   I am sure about that. Okay. Because the Honda plant the Honda plant   in   where the fuck is that Honda plant? Kentucky?   No.  

[01:53:12] Unknown:

Oh, there might be one up there. I don't know. But Kentucky or Tennessee?  

[01:53:17] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.   What's the first thing that,   Japanese,   companies do before they start work?   I don't know. They do ex they they do exercises.  

[01:53:32] Unknown:

Okay.  

[01:53:33] Duuude-Ron :

You know, like PT in the army. That's how we started our day.   That's how these,   Japanese companies   start their day. You know, and it's basically stretching exercises,   but   that is initiated   in the Honda plant in The United States.  

[01:53:53] Unknown:

Okay. And that actually actually, that's,   I wouldn't argue with that because, I mean, you know,   doing something like that would just help you. You know? It's not it's not where and and you're on the clock. You get paid for it.  

[01:54:09] Duuude-Ron :

That that's   yeah. That is correct. They're getting paid   to do that. It's like a half an hour at the start of their shift,   but, you know, they are conforming to the Japanese   traditions   with the work.   You know?   And me, personally,   if I had to to pick between   a full size   truck, Ford,   GMC,   Ram,   or one of the other American made ones.   I would either pick   a Toyota Tundra   or what's the other one from Honda? Not Honda.   I would buy a Toyota  

[01:54:59] Unknown:

Okay.  

[01:55:00] Duuude-Ron :

Because   they   are built to last longer.   Right. Even if they're built in The United States.  

[01:55:09] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yeah. Because that's the thing. Toyota,   Nissan, Datsun,   you know, when,   Datsun got swallowed up. But, I mean,   you know,   you know, I mean, we, you know, we knocked imports for years, especially when imports first started coming into America.   But Yeah. You know, honestly,   the Japanese,   Volkswagen,   they've,   you know, Subaru.   You know, a lot of these other companies, they've they've actually gotten   they know what works and what lasts, and they actually build cars to last.   So  

[01:55:50] Duuude-Ron :

Yep. And that's why I would bill buy one of those   versus   a Ford,   Dodge, or Chevy.  

[01:56:02] Unknown:

Right.   Well, yeah. Because, well, they they took the big three out of Detroit.   You know?  

[01:56:09] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[01:56:10] Unknown:

And   they just started doing things. But, yeah, I mean, I've I've heard of companies, you know, when I've gone to deliver to companies,   you know, you know, I've had to wait because   they would do their stretching exercises or whatnot, and it wasn't a Japanese owned company. It was an American owned company.   But, you know, different companies have done that. And, I mean, it's actually not a bad thing.  

[01:56:34] Duuude-Ron :

No. It's not.  

[01:56:36] Unknown:

Yeah. The yeah. They would rather,   you know, spend thirty minutes in the morning   and have no workplace accidents for the day   than,   you know, have three workplace accidents and have,   you know,   three people out for a month and a half, you know,   thus losing money.  

[01:56:57] Duuude-Ron :

Yep.   That is correct.   That is correct.   So yeah. I think it's   Honda's   I think it's Honda.   Well, another major,   Asian car, I think it's Honda,   that they're fixing to build build a huge plant in Indiana   Okay.   That,   obviously, based upon   the   what president,   Trump has   offered those companies,   you know, they're they're taking him up on that deal.   You know,   tax breaks too.   Yeah. Yet tax breaks and, you know, yeah, they're getting some favorable actions.   But, again,   when they get that factory built,   you know, how many   people are going to get employed from that   immediate area?  



[01:58:04] Unknown:

Quite a few.  

[01:58:06] Duuude-Ron :

Yep. And well, okay.   And there will be thousands involved in   the actual construction as well.  

[01:58:15] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, say it. When, Facebook builds their data centers, they employ   couple thousand people just to build the buildings.   That's not to run it. That's to build the freaking buildings.  

[01:58:29] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've  

[01:58:31] Unknown:

I've been on those job sites.   It's it's I mean, there's a lot of contractors.   You know?   But Yeah. You know, that's that's the whole thing. You know? Everyone's   screaming, yelling, bitching about Trump doing this, Trump doing that. You know? The big thing is,   you know, with the NATO shit,   you know, and all and all like that. And it's like it's like,   people, we are not the world police.  

[01:59:01] Duuude-Ron :

Exactly.  

[01:59:02] Unknown:

We we are not.   You know? But but everyone has been so   conditioned and   used to,   America   saves everybody.   No.   You know, basically, Trump's saying here. Here's a bill, you know, to these other countries.   You Oh. You're gonna pay us,   which, you know, a business, that's what they would do.   Absolutely.  

[01:59:32] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. It's like, okay. If if you don't know how to manage your country's money,   we'll just throw out a country, India.   If you don't know how to manage your   country,   don't expect us to fucking   bail you out because   you don't know how to get your shit together.   You know? Get your shit together? Years. So Oh, I know. And it's time for us to fucking   stop.  

[02:00:01] Unknown:

Well and see, that's the thing now. You see, this is why,   you know you know, we need to keep this stuff in place   for when, you know,   we elect a new president because,   you know, if we elect   some stupid ass again,   everything that's being done right now will be overturned.  

[02:00:25] Duuude-Ron :

Unless they unless they put it into   a law.  

[02:00:31] Unknown:

This is true. But when was the last time a law was passed?   I mean I mean, Biden signed a few. I know he did, but, you know, I mean I mean, a law a law we need   like that.  

[02:00:45] Duuude-Ron :

I don't know.   I don't know either   because I don't follow the politics   that closely because, again, what like, what you said, Rich,   if it ain't funding me, feeding me, or fucking me,   you know, there ain't nothing that   my thought process is gonna do to change   what's going on in DC.   Right. Because they nobody in DC know who's knows who the fuck I am.  

[02:01:13] Unknown:

That's true.   That's true. But well, and still, though, it just you know, some of these food prices, it's like it's like, how are these companies,   you know, you know,   getting away with with,   you know, raising the,   prices like they are. You know? Because it's it   you know, you know, people might say that that that, oh, you know, the cost of everything's going out. No. It's not.   The reason why it's going up is because you dumb fuckers will pay it.   As soon as you boycott something, guess what?   Price goes down. Law of supply and demand.  

[02:01:56] Duuude-Ron :

Yep. Well, if you look at the last major hurricane   what was that,   about four years ago?   Where did it hit? I don't know.   Hell hurricane   Helen?   Anyway, the one that big one that hit about four years ago. The cost of lumber went up,   what was it, 300%,   and it's never come down.  

[02:02:23] Unknown:

Well, now now I will say, yeah, I remember   I remember back when I was living up in Missouri.   Yeah. I saw I saw two by fours go up to $8. Now now, before I left Missouri and even now down here,   I can find two by fours back down to, like, $3.50   a a eight foot stick.  

[02:02:45] Duuude-Ron :

So okay.   So yeah. It's been years since I bought a   a fucking two by four. So, you know  

[02:02:55] Unknown:

Well, I will say some of the lumbers come down because, like, plywood or OSB,   shell like that,   these these places still love to jack these prices up, which I don't get for,   you know, wood shavings   that are   smeared and glue and pressed really hard.   You know? And they want $20 a sheet for it for a four by eight sheet. It's like, no. Hell no.   You know, bring them up nine to 10.  

[02:03:24] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. You're right. But all these   high executive   and these major companies,   that affects their bonus, and they wanna keep their bonus. So they're gonna keep the prices up.  

[02:03:38] Unknown:

Right.   Well, okay then.   Okay. Then then then why are eggs so freaking high?   I'm on an egg kick tonight. Okay?  

[02:03:49] Rich Chelson:

The eggs are high because the, because the bird flu.  

[02:03:53] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, big. What? Really?  

[02:03:55] Rich Chelson:

Bird flu. Yeah. They're they go through and   and and it's a it's a federal law, sadly,   that if a if a one bird in a flock is found to have bird flu, they have to to have to kill the whole flock.  

[02:04:12] Unknown:

Right. Okay. I understand that. It's kinda like,   what is it? Hoof and mouth disease that, cattle used to get? Yeah. Yeah. No. No. No. No. I got you. But but okay. So so if they have to kill one whole flock, okay, that's one chicken farm.   It's a matter of,   God, less than what, sixty days if I remember right. Because I've I've talked to a few chicken farmers and and to grow   from chicks, baby chicks to full grown birds.   And, I mean, they go to, like   I mean, five pounds is, like, the max,   and they do it in, like, sixty days or less or whatnot.   You know?  

They can   any losses that they have, they can recoup   fairly freaking quickly.   So I don't see I   I don't understand their reasoning.   You know? I mean, I get the premise,   but it's like,   why are you gonna jack   the price of eggs up,   you know,   just because you had to,   you know you know, eliminate   one flock.  

[02:05:26] Rich Chelson:

So far, there has been over a hundred and six,   according to what,   Google's,   AI thing come up with. Since the h five n one bird flu outbreak began in early twenty twenty two, over, a 66,000,000   chickens, turkeys, and other birds have been culled from The United States.  

[02:05:48] Unknown:

Okay.  

[02:05:50] Rich Chelson:

That's a lot of birds.  

[02:05:52] Unknown:

Well, yeah, it is. But that's since 2022,   a 66,000,000.   How many have they grown since then?  

[02:06:00] Rich Chelson:

Okay. Let's see here. Don't worry. Four barn fire statistics by state.   So far, 1.5   it says 1.5,   1,529,587   farm animals being killed in Arizona. There's been a,   10,000   not released, but believed to be well over 10,000. California, 70 thousand chickens.   California,   17,000   chickens.   RC is at DES.   That that's   k. So is that how many have died of the bird flu, or is that how many have   okay. I'm not understanding this now that I'm looking at it closer. Because all of a sudden, we get down to Florida and there's been one, and it's a horse.   In Florida, there's also been a goat that's been,   killed.  

Okay. Hold on. Georgia, there's been six multiple species, ducks, chickens, and quails.   But, again, six? I mean, what we have 10,000, 70 thousand, 17 thousand, and one one six, 13 30, four four. And then we got Illinois, which is, I guess, where it's really gotten hit, and that's 1,200,000   chickens.   But is that deaths or is that have been killed?  

[02:07:19] Unknown:

Well, you say, okay. Hold on a second. Okay. I just I just   this is a search term I put in because I just wanted to know how many chickens are grown in The US annually.   Okay. So chickens in just in Us   in 2023,   us poultry industry produced approximately   9,160,000,000   chickens.  

[02:07:47] Rich Chelson:

Right. Okay. Now there is a slight difference on this because there's two different types of chickens also. You gotta remember that.  

[02:07:56] Duuude-Ron :

There are brooder's the brown eggs and the ones that weigh  

[02:08:00] Rich Chelson:

lay the white egg. No. No. Well, there's also,   chickens that lay blue eggs, speckled eggs, green eggs. So there's a lot of different colored eggs that chickens like. But there are roasters,   and there are broorters.   Well, this one says broilers. So that's chicken. Broilers. Yeah. Instead of roasters, it's broilers.   So you got broilers, which are the chickens that are grown   to be killed   for food.   Right. Okay. Well, you have the the the the layers   that actually are the ones that lay the eggs.   Alright. Well, hang on. Let's check. And the, and the and the the broilers yeah. They're they're killed within, like, six months.  

[02:08:47] Unknown:

Okay. Hold on here.   Say it says in 2023,   the United States had an average   of 382,000,000   laying hens,   producing a total of a 10,000,000,000   eggs   with table leg with with table egg   production   at 94,200,000,000.  

[02:09:12] Rich Chelson:

Okay. And   how many   of those   have been   killed,   have been have been slaughtered or not slaughtered, but killed off to, because of the bird flu?  

[02:09:25] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. Hang on.  

[02:09:27] Rich Chelson:

One horse. Apparently, one horse and a goat. Yeah.   Right.  

[02:09:32] Unknown:

Right.   Let me lay in chickens.  

[02:09:38] Duuude-Ron :

And see, it's entirely too late in the day for me to fucking try to calculate   fucking numbers you guys are trying to dig up.  

[02:09:46] Unknown:

Now it says since the start of December   '20 '20 '4, so this is fairly recent,   thirty four point three million   egg laying hens have been culled   due   to a bird flu.  

[02:10:02] Rich Chelson:

Okay.  

[02:10:03] Unknown:

Thirty four point three million   minus three hundred and eighty two million.   So why are eggs so far high?  

[02:10:13] Rich Chelson:

That let's see here. Okay. So   well, because that's good well, how many okay. I gotta remember how to freaking figure percentages.  

[02:10:24] Unknown:

382,000,000   minus 34,300,000.  

[02:10:42] Duuude-Ron :

I don't know. Y'all are gonna have to calculate that shit up to yourselves.  

[02:10:46] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. I'll have them. That leaves 347,700,000  

[02:10:54] Unknown:

chicken   eggs or leanings.  

[02:10:59] Duuude-Ron :

Okay.   So real quick, you guys keep doing the calculations. K. That's my question. Throw this. I'm just gonna throw   this out there.   When we had   COVID,   why the hell   did everybody   stockpile   toilet paper   or hoard   toilet paper?  

[02:11:25] Unknown:

Because they're dumbasses.   I mean,   you know, you can still go to the grocery store because grocery stores   were essential businesses, so they stayed open.  

[02:11:38] Duuude-Ron :

But didn't have any toilet paper. Well, no. Because as soon as they got a shipment, well, the fuckers hoarded it. For what reason?   You know, I'm just trying to be facetious,   but it's like   you know, same way with, like, what you're saying with the cost of eggs.   Okay?   We had x amount, which   got killed because of the bird flu,   significantly   less than what   the overall flaw.  

[02:12:07] Rich Chelson:

Well, that's,   if I've if I've done my math right of course, I did go to Sunrise, so I it could be completely wrong.   But that's   almost 9% of the flock.   So, yeah, considering how much we eat, that's a lot of eggs that have that we've lost.  

[02:12:25] Unknown:

But oh, okay. Hang on. Let me flip back here. Hang on. Let me write this number down   because I'll forget.  

[02:12:33] Rich Chelson:

Anyhow, while he's writing that down, what were you gonna say? Keep his, keep saying there, Ron.  

[02:12:38] Duuude-Ron :

Fuck. I don't remember now. Hold on. Hold on. Let me let me try to backtrack my   thought.   Fuck.   I don't know. What the hell did I just what the hell did I just say?   Does anybody remember?  

[02:12:54] Unknown:

Let me know.  

[02:12:57] Duuude-Ron :

What the hell comment I even made?  

[02:13:00] Rich Chelson:

I was let's see.   Oh, dang it.   Let's see.  

[02:13:09] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, okay.   My other aspect is is   fertilizer   during COVID   went up   400%   on cost   for   general   or agricultural,   not the liquid,   but the   solid,   fertilizer went up 400%,   has never come down.   Again,   you know, it all all starts at   that level   within the the chain.   So if fertilizer goes up,   that's the the farmer's cost go up, so they're gonna   charge more for their crop   to recoup   of what they had to pay in the supply chain, and it all comes back around to what we pay in the grocery store.  

[02:14:08] Unknown:

Well, yeah, I know that. But, you know, you know, some of this so is these companies just just jacked these prices   up, citing what you just said,   and and   they can spread out   their costs,   the the upraising their costs. They could spread it out over the whole company   and not really have to raise their prices like they have. You know, maybe in a few years, you know, if costs keep going up and all like that, yes. I can see I can see a more a more significant   raise in prices.   Okay?   But, you know, just just because   you know   I don't know. It it just   it just boils down to, like you said,   the,   the, business people don't wanna lose their fucking bonuses.  

God forbid   God forbid if they only bring home 8,000,000   instead of 10   for a year,   you know Yeah. Besides the pay that they get.  

[02:15:17] Duuude-Ron :

Okay. So why did gas go up to $5 a gallon?  

[02:15:22] Rich Chelson:

Again Because because, again,   supply and demand.   When   Biden took over   became president, first thing he did was stop the XL, energy pipeline.   Well, he did. Went off and demanded that,   stopped a whole bunch of of drilling and exploration   and stuff on,   on,   on public land.   Yep. But, also,   because of the whole   ESG thing that was going on too,   banks were not giving,   oil companies   any money to do any exploration either because   to have them on their on the,   on their,   on their books would go against the environmental the e of environment of the s g, the environmental   environmental   social governance is what e s g stands for.  

And so with all those together,   there was a decrease in supply   of oil   and and   with a decreased supply of oil caused the prices,   or the supply of   gasoline and diesel to drop.   And when less stuff,   is in a is in a market, it becomes more expensive.   Yeah. Well, yeah. So the so the gas prices became more expensive. Now the thing that nobody really talks about is the fact that,   when after everybody really started bitching and moaning because we had $5 diesel,   and and gas was, in the middle of the, in flyover country was getting damn close to $5 too.   Biden started allowing   exploration again.  

Didn't get didn't talk about it. Well, actually, I don't think he actually let it, but his   his his,   his staff members who were being who were enjoying the,   who were playing while the cat was asleep.  

[02:17:29] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[02:17:30] Rich Chelson:

They're the ones who were like, oh, okay. We're screwing this up. We better allow some, oil to come in.   And so,   yeah, they were able to   once it got high, it started to kinda slowly   work its way back down to being   somewhat acceptable to, prices for the for The US.  

[02:17:50] Unknown:

Right. But but you see, that's the thing. Biden shut all this down. He started buying oil from Saudi Arabia, which,   you know, if Makes it more expensive.   Well, yeah. Of course.   And so, yeah, it's another reason why prices were at $5 a fucking gallon. But, you know, if you were to talk with, some of the old people in this country   that, you know, oil workers that that, you know, are in this stuff every day,   they'll tell you we have no shortage of oil. We have No. We've got all that we need. Have to go anywhere for oil.   In fact, we could drill and pump   and keep enough oil for ourselves   and still sell oil to other countries. Yeah.  



[02:18:35] Rich Chelson:

For several hundred years.  

[02:18:37] Unknown:

Yes. Exactly. Several hundred years. And and this is what I don't get about Democrats   or   anybody who who thinks that, you know, oil is, oh my god, wrong.   You know? Because   oil has built this country. Oil makes this country move, and oil's gonna keep this country moving   while they're trying to figure out how to put a charging station every 300 fucking miles   across this country on an old ass infrastructure.  

[02:19:06] Rich Chelson:

Well, it's not to mention on top of that, they what was it? Like, 3 something 3 3 mil billion dollars or something like that they've spent on   installing,   charge, charging stations, and they were only able to put in something like seven.  

[02:19:22] Unknown:

Really?  

[02:19:23] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. Eight.   Okay. Well, it's a stupid load number for the amount of money. Yeah. Exact And again, but that was that's the that's the the fact that that's exactly what Trump's fighting right now. And that's why he's got the, he's got the first buddy running around   doing his thing,   cutting and slashing all the, all the the governmental organizations because the   things like that. They're like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Here here's some money and here, y'all go build some. Okay. And, oh, look at that. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.   We spent $8,000,000,000   and, oh, look at that.  

Yeah. Yeah. Is that hard to believe that one that one pump, that one electrical charging station cost a billion dollars to install?   I mean, you know how many palms I had to grease to be able to get that thing in that one install?   I had to grease a lot of palms there. So, you know yeah. Yeah. It cost a billion dollars to install one one charging station.  

[02:20:23] Unknown:

Yeah. I see. And that's you well and and see the stuff that they keep talking about is is not the stuff that,   you know, not the money that that, you know, goes to, you know, American companies. So far, they've, I guess, just been finding stuff   that that's been going overseas.  

[02:20:42] Rich Chelson:

No. No. They've, say that, like, Trump said something like,   oh, shit. Well, how I forget exactly how many millions of dollars it was to,   to make mice to to run a,   to run a study on how to make mice transgender.   Why do we need to have mice transgender?   You know? Because that, that fits their narrative. Well, that it may fit their narrative, but it again, that's a   a a a incredible   huge waste of money.   Well, yes. Whether they whether you wanna think it is or not, it's a waste of money because   it doesn't it doesn't further   anything with the,   in human society.  

Right. There's All it does, it makes a bunch of my escape.   I'm freaking tired of putting chemicals in the water. It's turning the freaking frogs gay. You know? That that all fun stuff.  

[02:21:36] Unknown:

How do you make mice gay?  

[02:21:40] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. They even had a  

[02:21:43] Rich Chelson:

Go keep going, Ron.  

[02:21:45] Duuude-Ron :

They even had a study   from what I heard   trying to figure out   why   the wheels on the bus go round and round.  

[02:22:02] Unknown:

We're studying this. I wouldn't doubt it.  

[02:22:07] Duuude-Ron :

I'm not  

[02:22:08] Unknown:

it you know, I mean, you know, that was   the wheel was invented back   long before any of us were ever,   gleam in our daddy's eye.  

[02:22:21] Duuude-Ron :

Well, pavement.  

[02:22:25] Rich Chelson:

Oh, okay. So atrazine   is what they were saying was turning frogs gay.   Yeah. Wait.   Yeah. Atrazine.  

[02:22:35] Unknown:

Atrazine.   Yeah.   Was okay.   How did they know that frogs were gay?  

[02:22:45] Rich Chelson:

Well, all I can all I have here is animal testing in the 2,000 suggested that the herbicide atrazine,   had a was an endocrine disruptor, which may have, a feminizing effect effect on,   on male frogs causing them to become hermaphrodites.  

[02:23:02] Unknown:

Oh my god. Yeah. Hey. Hey.   This is what irks the shit. And that's that's what,  

[02:23:12] Rich Chelson:

Alex Jones is going on about. That's his whole famous,   you know,   whole whole famous. I'm sick and tired of putting chemicals in the water to turn the freaking frogs gay.   Do you understand that?  

[02:23:25] Unknown:

Is he still going? Or Oh, yeah.  

[02:23:28] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. He's still going. I mean, he he doesn't have his,   well,   he   he's still going.   It's just,   he's still trying to pay back the, what is it, $9,000,000,000   in lawsuit fines that, lawsuit   results that, that the, Sandy Hook people,  

[02:23:50] Unknown:

pinned on him. Yeah. So  

[02:23:54] Rich Chelson:

but yeah. So they tried to sell his, sell his,   studio   and and the name and all that. And, for short bit,   the onion   bought supposedly had bought it, but then,   some other folks kinda stepped in and went,   that's,   the way that he bought it, they they actually didn't even have the highest bid.   They had a couple people who actually bid higher,   and so they they had a judge go through and nullify the sale of the, of everything. So I don't know if he ever could turn around and and they redid the auction or what, but   but yeah. No. Alex Jones still does the show.  

Okay. Or still does a show. He's not on on Apple anymore, which is the reason why,   Adam Curry   created the podcast index because Apple was, had gone through and completely deplatformed him, and   and Adam saw the danger of that. It's like, oh, wait a minute. You know? If they can deplatform   somebody like Alex Jones  

[02:25:01] Unknown:

Right.  

[02:25:03] Rich Chelson:

Two grumpy vets and a dude,   they could disappear and no one would miss them.  

[02:25:09] Unknown:

Right. Exactly.  

[02:25:11] Rich Chelson:

And so that's why Adam was, like, going, we're gonna go ahead and me and my buddy, Alex Jones, we're gonna or Alex Jones,   Dave Jones is are gonna get together, and we're gonna make this new,   new index,   new directory of, of podcasts. And,   and yeah. So podcastindex.org   was, was created. Thanks to Alex Jones.  

[02:25:35] Unknown:

Right. Right. And you say that's the thing. You know? That's you see, that's why that's why you know?   Because all these other people that are not using podcasting two point o,   they can get deplatformed   really quick, and they'll just fade away and no one   everyone will forget them.   Yep. We   just because we have the attention span of a nap.  

[02:26:05] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Damn it.  

[02:26:10] Unknown:

Yeah. Damn it. I like that. That was cool. Damn it. Yeah.  

[02:26:14] Duuude-Ron :

Damn it.  

[02:26:15] Unknown:

I mean, I hate I'm I'm in the same group with everybody else.   My freaking attention span some some days. Oh my god. It's it's   yeah. I have to fight myself   with freaking freaking,   remembering   just stuff that I wanna do, let alone what anyone else wants me to remember.  

[02:26:37] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, and   well, and you have you're doing pretty good.   Yours is you said, you know,   couple times a week, but shit, mine's every goddamn day.  

[02:26:52] Unknown:

Well, I mean I mean, once in a while,   you know well, like like today,   I had,   like, I think,   two, maybe three projects,   small stuff that that I wanted to get done.   And I got everything done today, but I wound up doing about six little small projects because I squirreled   because   I I would serious. I'd be working on something. It's like, oh, crap. I gotta go pee. And then,   you know, along the way, I say, oh, shit. I need to do this. So I go do this, and then I'll go do this. And then I wound up you know,   went back to my other stuff, and it's like, you know, I got everything done.   But good god, it took all freaking day. I didn't get to sit down till about 03:30, four o'clock today.  

That's a full day for me, man.  

[02:27:47] Rich Chelson:

I agree. Yeah.  

[02:27:49] Unknown:

You know? Yeah.   I mean, shit.   Trying to focus sometimes is is a challenge,   but it's okay because, you know,   half the time I forget, and   that's it. It's it's gone. I there's there's no chance of getting that thought back for at least a week. You know?   Three days if I'm lucky.  

[02:28:13] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah.  

[02:28:15] Unknown:

But well, that's like, oh,   be glad y'all are still married.   Okay?   Be glad.   Because   because if if if if y'all are wanting a passport,   one of the questions and, you know, the application to fill out a passport   is, actually   very short,   very freaking short.   But one of the questions on there, it says, are you or have you been ever been married?   And if you put yes,   okay,   they want to know   your wife's name,   where she was born, her date of birth,   the day you got married,   and say on that part, I think that's it. And then it asked, have you ever been divorced? Then they want that date as well. Okay.   Now the last time I was married   was in o six.  

I did not know   what day or month or anything like this.   I had to go on one of these people finder sites to,   find out the birth date of of my ex wife.   Okay? Because I couldn't remember.   And I wound up had to call up to Missouri today   and talk with the county recorder, and I had to ask her   what day did I get married   Because I couldn't I couldn't remember. It's I mean, it's been, what, well, nineteen years.   And say I got divorced three years later. So, I mean, the, divorce date I had, I just didn't have the marriage date, and   I couldn't find it anywhere on those,   people finding sites.  

I even I even had to subscribe,   which which I'm fixing to cancel them tomorrow,   just to get the information,   on my ex wife   because I wasn't about to call her.   Just saying.   I mean, I don't know her number or anything, but and then so I got all that.   Okay? And I read through everything.   I got all my information,   took it up,   and,   lady looked it over, double checked it, triple checked it, and all like that, took my picture.   I paid her, and she's like, okay. You're done. You're good to go. I said, excuse me?   She's like, yeah.   You're good. I'm like, that is awesome.  

But I'm just saying, if you ever get divorced,   do not forget the date you were married   if you want a passport.   I'm serious because,   yeah, nineteen years ago   in January, I got married.   I got divorced three years later in January.   In fact, three years a week and a day after I got married,   and,   that was nineteen years ago. Or   well, married nineteen years ago and,   sixteen years   for,   being divorced. So   so, yeah, just note to self, if you ever get divorced, keep that information handy   because you never know. You might need it.  

[02:31:51] Duuude-Ron :

Absolutely.  

[02:31:54] Unknown:

So if you're still married, which I know you and,   dude are,   you're fine.   Because   even if you don't remember, just ask the wife. She'll tell you. They don't ever forget stuff like that. Oh, hell, though.   You know? But yeah.   So, yeah, it was funny. Yeah. I, yeah, I called I called out to,   Osage County, Missouri today.   Lady was real nice. I told her I said, ma'am, I said I said, I don't need a certified copy. I just need to know the date   I got married. And she's like, well, when was it? I says, I think it was 03/2004.   She's like, okay. Well, I got this software I can look because it's not it's not online,   not in Missouri.  

The marriage date isn't. The divorce date is because I found that easy.   And,   she she, asked me my name name of my ex wife and everything like this, and,   she said it was one thirteen of o six. Oh, shit. I was even a couple years off. I'm like, okay. Thank you.   You know?   And so yeah. And and I didn't I didn't have to pay her for the information,   which was cool.   Because I asked her. I you know, I was like you know?   Because in in   Missouri, if you need a certified copy, it's like $9.   I I'd have paid her the $9.   You know?  

But,  

[02:33:29] Duuude-Ron :

so yeah. However however, you got it for free.   Yes. I did. I So that you know, that's a pack of smokes.  

[02:33:39] Unknown:

But I don't know what you're smoking, but that's about three packs for me, dude.  

[02:33:44] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, okay. That that's fine.   It's three packs. For me, it's six.  

[02:33:51] Unknown:

Okay. So,  

[02:33:53] Duuude-Ron :

well, I pay a dollar 79.  

[02:33:57] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Okay.  

[02:33:59] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. Almost 6.  

[02:34:02] Unknown:

You smoke them, cigars, don't you?  

[02:34:07] Duuude-Ron :

The cheapest shit in the market.  

[02:34:10] Unknown:

Yep. Hey. I ain't knocking on my I've done the same thing, dude.   Yeah. Sweet swisher sweets, baby.  

[02:34:18] Duuude-Ron :

Yep.  

[02:34:19] Unknown:

I ain't scared.  

[02:34:21] Duuude-Ron :

No. Yep. And   why should I pay   you know, the average price for a pack around here   is, like,   $7.   I'm like, no. I'm not gonna spend that damn much money to kill myself.  

[02:34:40] Unknown:

Right.  

[02:34:41] Duuude-Ron :

Right. And here's the here's the funny point about this   is when I first came in the military, I was still single.   What was it? Nineteen   nineteen eighty seven   or '88.   The eighty second jumped into the eighty second convention   that   was being held in Houston, Texas   Mhmm. That year.   And   they still had vending machines   that you could buy cigarettes.  

[02:35:16] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[02:35:18] Duuude-Ron :

Mind you, this was 1987,   and the vending machine cost was a dollar 75.   And I looked at that,   damn near fuck damn near fucking   shit a brick   and said, I will   never,   in my life, pay a dollar 75 for a pack of cigarettes.   Guess what?   The kind that I smoke, which is the cheapest kind,   are a dollar 80   a pack.   And guess what?   Still smoking.  

[02:35:58] Unknown:

Right.  

[02:35:59] Duuude-Ron :

Smoke them if you got them.   And if you have them pass.   And yeah. Exactly. And if you have them, make sure you remember the golden rule.   Puff, puff, pass.  

[02:36:12] Unknown:

That's right.  

[02:36:19] Duuude-Ron :

So   and since we are over the time, but that's okay.   This is Ron's tip for the week.  

[02:36:27] Rich Chelson:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about that one. That's alright. Everybody  

[02:36:31] Duuude-Ron :

ready?   I'm sitting down. Week tip of the week being,   if you are drowsy   and need to keep your eyelids held open,   use only   toothpicks   because they are,   you know,   naturally made. They're   generic.   Don't use a steel.   You know, only use   toothpicks, wood toothpicks.  

[02:37:04] Rich Chelson:

What do you guys   think   on   that?  

[02:37:09] Unknown:

I think I think that might cause some pain.  

[02:37:16] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you know, if you were still driving over the road   and you just had to get to your destination,   you should use wood toothpicks to keep your eyelids open versus steel   or any other material.  

[02:37:34] Unknown:

Well, what about plastic?  

[02:37:40] Duuude-Ron :

I don't know.   You tell me.   Would plastic be better over wood?  

[02:37:50] Unknown:

Well, I would not be,   organic   if if I use plastic.   So   because using wood, that's organic.   So so so I would be I would be,   what's that fancy word I'm thinking of?  

[02:38:14] Rich Chelson:

I don't know. I'm I'm trying to stay out of your head. That's the place is scary.  

[02:38:20] Duuude-Ron :

Very.   That's a fucking goddamn   horror show   nightmare.  

[02:38:28] Unknown:

Right. Right. Well, no. There's a word I'm trying to think of, and I can't think of it because   for some reason, my brain is is is blocking it.  

[02:38:38] Duuude-Ron :

Could it be harlequin?   Harlequin.   Now that's a pretty big word for this time of the day. Yes. Harlequin.  

[02:38:50] Unknown:

Yeah.   No. No.  

[02:38:54] Duuude-Ron :

No? Okay.  

[02:38:56] Rich Chelson:

I I just  

[02:38:58] Duuude-Ron :

Go ahead. Go ahead. Do me a favor, though. If you wake up at 03:00 in the morning   and you remember it,   do not   call me.  

[02:39:07] Rich Chelson:

Oh, no. Call him. Call him. He can't Oh, I'm He he can't get over to you anyhow, so he's not gonna hurt you. Right. Right. No, dude. I'm calling, man. I'm calling.   Don't  

[02:39:21] Unknown:

man, if I wake up 03:00 in the morning morning, something's fucking wrong.  

[02:39:27] Rich Chelson:

I mean, I'm not saying that. 03:00 in the morning all the time. That's usually about the time I have to go pee for the first time.  

[02:39:33] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you know, sorry you can't hold your liquor   or your liquid.  

[02:39:39] Rich Chelson:

My I was gonna say, yeah. It's not liquor. It's just liquid. It's Yeah. Liquid.  

[02:39:43] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. You're right.  

[02:39:47] Unknown:

Yeah. No. Normally normally, I sleep through the night. You know?   But but then again, sometimes   I don't go to bed till one or two in the morning.  

[02:39:57] Rich Chelson:

Oh, see. Now now I now I go to bed at about 10:00. So  

[02:40:01] Unknown:

Well, then see   see, that's the thing. You see, with me, I mean,   normally, when I take   take   I got pills I take at night   Right. On gabapentin.   I take it it takes about two hours for it to fully start to kick in,   And,   that's when that yeah. That's when,   I have a very hard time walking from the living room to my bedroom because my legs are like rubber.   You know? Oh, yeah. I mean I mean, my legs are rubber. My back doesn't hurt. Oh, hell no. My back, my body Well, that's you can't feel your legs either. So Right.  

[02:40:47] Duuude-Ron :

Right. So that's your indication to it's time to fucking go to bed.   Right. Now And I get sleep.  

[02:40:55] Unknown:

I try   I try and take I   I try and take my medicine,   you know, to where I'm in bed by about eleven, eleven thirty midnight, but sometimes I forget.   And it's, like, 10:30, eleven o'clock when I take it. So yeah. Yeah. I know I'll be up till   one, one thirty, or two. But then I only wind up sleeping, like, seven hours.  

[02:41:22] Duuude-Ron :

You wanna you wanna know a suggestion that I do every night?  

[02:41:25] Unknown:

What's that?  

[02:41:26] Duuude-Ron :

I have an alarm set on my phone   Uh-huh. For 08:10.   When that alarm clock goes off,   I know it's time to go get the fucking drugs.   Okay.  

[02:41:41] Rich Chelson:

Yep.   I I do that for just about everything else in,   during my day. If I've got something I know I have to do in, like, 02:00 and   something else at four, I'll have five, six alarms go going   all at the same time. So Oh, my god.   Oh, yeah.   That way, I don't forget.   So   Right. But, but I'm I need help. I mean, this,   this show here has got an alarm set for every Thursday, 07:00.  

[02:42:14] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. No. No. It does on my phone too. I mean and and it calls on Wednesday nights.   You know, it's I mean, it's just it's just set in my calendar there.   But my pill I I don't know why my pill was, like, I I just   I forget. And then when I look at the clock, I'm like, oh, shit.  

[02:42:33] Duuude-Ron :

Well, set yourself a daily alarm and,   you know, when that alarm goes off, you know you know   why that alarm is going off.  

[02:42:43] Rich Chelson:

Right. Right. Well, and even if you don't, most alarms now have a have a label on there. So you can put in drug time or, you know, something.   Right. Time to lose my legs or something. You know?  

[02:42:58] Unknown:

But yeah. No. It's no. It's funny because there's times when when I've taken my pills, I'll be sitting there and and, like like,   I'll be watching a show or something, and   I won't you know, I   I love taking my pills. Next thing you know,   it's like hour, hour and a half later, and then I wake up.   I don't know how long I've been to sleep, but I fell asleep in the chair. And it's like, yeah. I better fucking go to bed.  

[02:43:26] Duuude-Ron :

Like Well, shit. Look at me.   Happened several times on Thursday nights.  

[02:43:31] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[02:43:33] Duuude-Ron :

Well, yeah. Yeah. Well And what's your word and what's your final word for the day, dude?  

[02:43:41] Unknown:

Right.   Oh, man. That's funny.   But yeah. No. It it just I'm   yeah. I've gotta get it to where because   I don't wanna get up too early because then I   wind up   doing everything   first thing in the morning,   and then it's like it's like   I don't know. I try and spread things out, you know,   because I'm up so late.  

[02:44:12] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you know, Folger   Folgers said the best part   of the day   is   if Folgers in your cup.   Right.   Not at all. The best part of the day when waking up   is taking a pee, having a smoke, and going right back to bed.   Fuck that Folger shit.  

[02:44:37] Unknown:

Yeah. I'll get it.   I don't think Folger's would like that slogan.  

[02:44:43] Duuude-Ron :

That's what their slogan was. Oh, well, no. Their their slogan was the best part of waking up is Folgers in your cup. Yeah. Yeah. No. I know that. But but I'm saying what you said.   Oh, yeah. No. My slogan is the best part of waking up is taking a pee, having a smoke, and going right back to bed.   Of course, I only get to do that on the weekends.  

[02:45:06] Unknown:

Right.   Say, I can't say, once I'm up yeah. No. I'm up. There's there's   there's no chance of me going back to bed.  

[02:45:17] Duuude-Ron :

Oh, no. My ass going back to bed.   Hell, yeah.   Nope. Yeah. Then I'll get up, have another cup of coffee, and have a smoke, and go back to bed.  

[02:45:30] Unknown:

Yeah. Brian, it sounds like  

[02:45:33] Rich Chelson:

you you and me are like, when we're up, we're up. Oh, yeah. No. It's it's time to wake up. It's like, alright. Well,  

[02:45:40] Duuude-Ron :

not to mention my dogs will not allow me to go back to bed. Oh, thank you. Right. Well, yes. Because you have that factor. You're right. Once you're up and they're up,   you're gonna stay up.   Yep. Well, it's not But it's funny you somewhere in the morning,  

[02:45:57] Rich Chelson:

rain's gotten around to where it gets warm enough. She kinda migrates down the foot of the bed.   And about   06:00 in the morning on Saturdays when I'm still laying in bed,   Watson decides, hey. It's time to go hang out with dad, and so he'll come in, and he's all hair.   So he'll come in, and he'll kind of   curl himself up,   up at the head of the bed   and usually lay down on my head.  

[02:46:24] Unknown:

Oh.  

[02:46:25] Rich Chelson:

Don't know why it's he's gotta be on my head, but he's gotta be on my head.   And so all that hair   and stuff, I mean, it's like, okay. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. Oh my god.   I can't breathe. I can't breathe. Oh god.  

[02:46:41] Unknown:

Then the dogs are like, it's playtime.  

[02:46:43] Rich Chelson:

Yeah. No. Exactly. And then I was like, oh, hey. Look. Dad's up. Okay. Let's go play. Right. Let's start wrestling.  

[02:46:52] Unknown:

Yeah. This   I don't know why, but that's just   the the,   gotta I'm I freaking forgot the word I was gonna use there, but heaven pets.  

[02:47:06] Rich Chelson:

Yep.   There's anybody that's ever been excited to see you around, that's it's the pets that makes it, makes it quite nice to have pets around.  

[02:47:16] Unknown:

Right.  

[02:47:19] Rich Chelson:

So  

[02:47:21] Duuude-Ron :

Well, you know the the reason why   dog is spelled the way it is. Right?  

[02:47:30] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[02:47:32] Rich Chelson:

Because phonetically, it's   d o g,   and so it would be d o g.   No. You put that in reverse. What is it? Oh, that's that's God. But then that would be if, if it's, God in reverse, then sounds like dog would be   a a instrument of the devil.  

[02:47:58] Duuude-Ron :

Yeah. If you thought like that. If you thought like that, but, you know,  

[02:48:03] Unknown:

you have God and Good with Brian. That was good. Yeah. Yeah.  

[02:48:08] Duuude-Ron :

Only Brian would do that.   But, of course, when it comes to but, of course, when it comes to cats with me,   I'll cap them in the ass with a fucking BB gun. So so but then,  

[02:48:24] Rich Chelson:

you know what a cat a   cat what a cat is or why a cat's spelled that way. Right?   No.   Because it's   spelled backwards as tag.   A tag, not tag, tag.   So  

[02:48:41] Unknown:

Well, yeah. I know it spells tag, but  

[02:48:45] Rich Chelson:

but does It's just it's just the same thing as the dog. It's like,   it's it's just a it's a it's a word that in reverse just is is tack. You know?  

[02:48:57] Unknown:

Well, that's the thing. When you said it, you know, my mind   automatically dot tac, but, you know, I was sitting there. I was actually sitting there   trying to kinda,  

[02:49:07] Rich Chelson:

okay. Where's Brian going with this? Absolutely nowhere. You know? It was been just a dead end. Just.   Once we would go, oh, what?   Right. Yeah. That would be Yeah. That would be good. It goes nowhere.  

[02:49:22] Unknown:

Well, I fell for it. Okay? I fell for it.   Because I was sitting here thinking it's like,   there's no meaning.  

[02:49:31] Rich Chelson:

Exactly. It ain't even talking. Yeah. Exactly.  

[02:49:34] Unknown:

It didn't hit me until until after I asked you.  

[02:49:40] Rich Chelson:

So, anyhow, so well, I guess it's about time to get this old bird landed so we can, so the two of us that, drive trucks can, can drive trucks,   safely.   So   but, anyhow, so guys,   everybody listening, wanna say thank you very much for taking the time, out of your day and sitting down, having a listen, seeing what   the us three guys are are talking about, which is usually   just   stupid shit on our mind, which is, obviously the case, of of today. So   we ran from   from,   from,   from   women, women in whether or not they like sex or not to, to yeah. Whether or not cats spelled backwards is actually just tack. So, you know, it's   we we just kinda meander   fair and and juke and jive and do the weave and and and and and everything else. So yeah. So we   we are, we're just a just a group of guys as as   that have been friends for   quite a few years.  

And we just like to we have a good time talking with each other, and so we this is part a way for us to be able to keep our   friendship going. It is,   part of a man's community   to have a group of friends that he talks with on a regular basis.   And,   so that's one of the points of the, of of this show. And the other point's just, hey, which is something we wanted to do, and it's not anything we're we're trying to do to make a million bucks off of. We're just something we're just wanting to do just because, hey, it's fun to just talk with each other, and let's share it out with everyone because, you know, who knows? Maybe someone will find it interesting, find it sad, or find it really pathetic and   and, and share it with their friends. And and,   and their friends will share it with other friends. And, eventually, you know   you   know, NBC News will come along going, what are these guys talking about? Absolutely nothing. Why do they have a show? God only knows.  

Because, well,   we just talk.  

[02:51:58] Duuude-Ron :

Well, because we tell more of the truth than   that particular outfit does. Yep.   Yeah.   Even if it's it even if it is over   freaking   the cost of tea in China.  

[02:52:16] Rich Chelson:

Yep.   Yeah. It's, we we have our thoughts, we have our opinions, and we we have no problem sharing them with the world. So That's right.   So we do. But one of the great things about this,   about this medium that we are talking in is that it is changing. It is, altering. It is morphing as we speak.   We like to use the podcasting two point o features that are   out there and why they call it podcast two point o. Well, depending on who you talk to, some of them some folks think it's a a reason just to hack off Dave Weiner.   While, other other folks just, hey. We're just wanting to expand   what podcasting is, and it's just a fun way to say, you know, to just talk about the new features that they're adding. So you have things.  

And if you're on, well, if you're on a,   modern podcasting app like Podcast Guru,   Fountain,   TrueFans.fm,   any of those types of, new modern podcast apps, you can actually have access to things like the Podrum, which we've got a series of podcasts   that we that we recommend, and you can go in and you can see them and add them to your, to your podcast app and, and listen to them. Now that's not available on the, traditional or the legacy apps because, well, they   don't care to,   to advance. You have and then you also have places like Spotify   and YouTube,   which YouTube doesn't   actually have a podcast that the podcast the YouTube music may ingest podcast,   but   as many of the people sadly are going off and saying, oh, I've started a podcast. No. It's a YouTube channel that you have. I can't get I can't listen to your show on any other,   any other app other than YouTube.  

It has to be able to be listened to   on   on,   PocketCasts   or Overcast   or Apple Podcasts or any other channel other than just   Spotify   or   just   YouTube   for it to be an actual podcast because we have to have this thing called an RSS feed. And that's just an XML file that's got a whole bunch of extra information, and some of the information on there, the different types of name space tags that I'm talking about, like pod roll. It's got chapters.   It has, transcript.   It does,   does a lot of cool things. You even got a funding tag so that you could actually click on,   like, Podcast Guru and,   you could actually find a support this page or support this show. And when you click it, it'll actually take you though take you over to our, PayPal account.  

And you can actually   donate   or or subscribe or or contribute, if you want,   to the,   to the show in, whatever denomination and whatever frequency you choose.   But we also because of this, we're also able to do value for value. And this is not so that we get rich because, well, we know we ain't getting rich off of this. We're not we don't have a a strict,   niche that we're talking about. We're just talking   talking with each other. And so   you can actually help   in by   if you found value to the show, you can help by just going to,   going to a your   email account. My brain was just trying to freeze up on me. And   and and,   you could shoot us an email message saying, hey. I'd like to help out with, creating chapters.  

And we say, sweet. Awesome. You can contribute your time   or your talent   or   all three, which is time, talent, and the last one's treasure, which is, again, like PayPal, where you can contribute,   your treasure of of your choosing and of your of your choice.   And you can get ahold of us and ask how we how you can contribute in any way. You can shoot me an email that's at circle cast, that's [email protected].   You can also,   get ahold [email protected].   And if you wanna get ahold of Dude, you can get ahold of either one of us, and we'll get ahold of Dude for you because, yeah, Dude is Dude.   And so we would, love to be able to hear from you. Love to have if you have any comments, questions,   having a a a thought or an idea or anything like that for the show, we'd love to hear from you. So please just reach out and ask us, talk to us, and we'd love to hear back from you. So, Rich, what do you got?  



[02:57:11] Unknown:

Oh, not much. Just,   again, I I   I just wanna thank everybody who listens and keeps coming back because   our numbers are going up, and I I just love it. You know?   The fact that, you know, more and more people are actually   probably laughing at us more than anything.   You know? They might be groaning a little bit, but, you know, who knows?   I I don't care.   I'm just   like you, I just I just like hanging out with y'all and   talking about, you know, whatever and giving our opinions,   which,   I very much like to give my opinion. A lot of people don't care, but, you know, that's why we podcast because,   then everybody can hear my opinion. And I just love that.  

Whether you know, I try not to be too wrong, but, you know, hey.   A lot of times I am. But no. Other than that, just yeah. Thanks for listening and,   you know, keep coming back and share it out and send us an email. Talk to us. Say hi. How are you doing? How's your mom and them? You know?   You have an idea for a topic   you would like to get our perspective on?   Bring it. You know? [email protected],   circle cast at Gmail dot com.   That's mine and Brian's email. And,   yeah, send it on the way, and we'll definitely talk about it. And   you you never know. It it might get us wound up. And it's been a while since we've been wound up like that for a while. So, yeah, send us an email. You know? Let us know. And   when you send an email, let us know where you're listening from. You know? Just because   we'd like to know,   on   looking on Pod Home,   you know,   Yeah. We have 18 different countries   that,   have listened to our podcast.  

So that's actually kinda neat. You know?   It's crazy. So, yeah, let us know where you're listening from and, you know,   what you wanna hear or whatnot because this podcast,   we'll talk about whatever you want. You know?   Like I said,   it   it might not be what you wanna hear, but you'll hear it. Other than that, that's about all I got. Thank you for listening.   Thank you for coming back, and,   come back again.   So, dude, what you got, man?  

[02:59:46] Duuude-Ron :

Well, as Rich says, it's   wonderful having everybody that listens to us and enjoys our conversations,   whether we're chasing down   a gopher hole, a rabbit hole,   or a well. And I think we've pretty well covered   freaking   every hole that you can go down tonight.   You know? It's amazing of how we can change subjects from   one extreme to the other. And, you know, if you guys enjoy it again,   please let us know. Give us an email,   and   let us know what you think. And if you wanna have a comment   that we can discuss and,   you know, just   completely   destroy the, you know,   the aspect of the question possibly.  

You know?   We can do that.   Other than that, just remember,   always use wood toothpicks   to keep your eyelids open when you're tired.   So  

[03:00:59] Rich Chelson:

alright. Does.   Yeah.   Wood wood wood toothpicks.   So, anyhow, alright. Well, guys,   thank y'all for coming on, joining again for the, on the show, and, we will, talk to y'all next week. So   till then, y'all take care. Thanks again for listening or talking and, and audience, thank y'all for, for listening, and, we'll see y'all next week. Alright?   Bye.  

[03:01:29] Duuude-Ron :

Later.   Peace out.  

[03:01:33] Rich Chelson:

See you, guys.  

[03:01:34] Unknown:

Alright. Alright. Bye. Have a good week. Bye.