Welcome to another episode of Two Grumpy Vets, where we dive into the art of intentional living through weekly conversations. This week, Bryan, Rich, and the Duuude explore the importance of community and how regular discussions can help men become better versions of themselves.
Rich shares his recent adventures in setting up his ham radio station for an upcoming contest, detailing the DIY solutions he's implemented to improve his setup. The conversation takes a humorous turn as the hosts discuss the quirks of military time and the challenges of dealing with a swampy backyard.
The trio delves into the topic of neurodivergence, discussing societal labels and the importance of understanding individual differences without being confined by them. They also touch on the benefits of physical activity for children and the need for less restrictive parenting.
As the episode progresses, the hosts reminisce about childhood games and the freedom of outdoor play, contrasting it with today's more cautious approach to parenting. They also discuss the role of insects and animals in our ecosystem, sharing anecdotes about encounters with various critters.
The conversation shifts to the world of internet marketing, where Brian shares his frustrations with a recent social media marketing course. He critiques the approach of selling high-priced courses without delivering substantial value upfront, emphasizing the importance of providing genuine insights to build trust with potential clients.
Join us for a candid discussion filled with humor, insights, and a touch of nostalgia as we navigate the complexities of modern life and the timeless value of friendship.
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Bryan Goodwin:
Hey, man. Hello, and welcome to Two Grumpy Vets and a duuude, this is a show that each week allows for three friends to get together and live life intentionally.
[00:00:11] Rich Chelson:
We do this by throwing a little social commentary
[00:00:14] Bryan Goodwin:
with our own weird sense of humor and our thoughts together to show folks that living having weekly conversations
[00:00:22] Rich Chelson:
is a good way to help each other out, help men become better men. And so now on with the show with Brian, Rich, and
[00:00:32] Bryan Goodwin:
the dude.
[00:00:34] Rich Chelson:
Recording and progress.
[00:00:37] Duuude-Ron :
Mister Brian. Hello.
[00:00:40] Rich Chelson:
How are you doing today? Oh, I'm doing alright. Just getting shit on.
[00:00:47] Duuude-Ron :
Alright.
[00:00:55] Rich Chelson:
Well, you've been holding up.
[00:00:58] Unknown:
I got ambitious today, so I'm not I'm not doing I'm not doing as good as I was earlier, but I've been doing alright. Well,
[00:01:10] Rich Chelson:
so what's what's hold you back? What's, what's what's changed?
[00:01:16] Unknown:
Oh, I I just I started feeling pretty good. So so in in in, in a preparation for this contest that starts tomorrow night. Right. I made a few changes, around my AM radio station to because I'm running two antennas. And so so I made it easier. Before I had it set up, I had one on the bottom and one about six foot up, and I'd have to stand up and flip a switch and sit back down. And it's like that just you know, when you basically You're gonna you're gonna feel like you're a Catholic. You keep doing that. Right. But, you know, I and and I had ran it like that in a couple of contests, and it's like you know, I'd always told myself, I says, I've got to change I've got to change this, position because it it's it's a pain.
You know?
[00:02:21] Rich Chelson:
Right. So,
[00:02:24] Unknown:
yeah. I, I said, okay. I did. And, so, yeah, I moved it, and, I've got it sitting to where I can just reach over and flip. You know, I don't I don't, you know, I don't I'd I don't have to do any acrobats acrobatic moves
[00:02:47] Rich Chelson:
Okay.
[00:02:48] Unknown:
Okay to, do that now. And then, also, I made a little, thing, little feed through panel in my window because well, I could buy one, but they want, like, $90 for them. Okay. Really? Wow. Oh, shit. Yeah. I mean, freaking expensive. And it's like, you know what? A freaking one by four is a whole lot cheaper and and and works really well
[00:03:19] Rich Chelson:
if I had one.
[00:03:21] Unknown:
So I just measured the window, cut it, and, drilled some holes for my, coax. And I and I've got the rest of it. So if I wanted to run anything else from the inside of my room here to the outside, I can. Okay. You know, I just I just have to drill some more holes. So I'm gonna do Whole lot cheaper than $89.95. A lot of stacks. Oh, yeah. And shipping.
[00:03:55] Duuude-Ron :
And shipping. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can't get shipping.
[00:03:57] Unknown:
Well well, you see, the thing is if I spend a hundred dollars or more, I don't have to pay shipping. But, you know, if I don't, then, yes, like, $14 shipping. I'm like, no. Ain't doing it.
[00:04:09] Rich Chelson:
Which is funny because if if it's $90 and then it's for shipping, it's $14, that makes it over a hundred dollars, so shouldn't it be just $90?
[00:04:18] Unknown:
Well, you you would think, but no. And and you see and and see, that's the thing. It's it's a $90, and you have tax on top of that. Oh, yeah. And and down here in Mississippi, it's only 7%, so that'd be $6.30. So, yeah, I'd I still wouldn't even be at a hundred dollars even with tax. The tax doesn't count. Right. No. Of course not. No. No. No. No. I'm like, no. That's just rude. No. So so, yeah, I did that, and and, of course, every time I thought I had everything I needed,
[00:04:56] Rich Chelson:
no. I didn't. Gotta make another trip to the store.
[00:05:00] Unknown:
Well, no. No. I no. Believe it or not, I had everything here at the house. Oh, okay. It was either inside the house or out in my shop. Yeah. You see? So so, yeah, I made, like, four or five trips between my back room here to my shop and back, and and I'm just like, dad, go on. I it it just irks me because it's like, you know, I love having my stuff in my shop, but sometimes I need to have have the stuff on-site. And I try to think everything, you know, think of everything. And Right. Of course, no. I forget. You know what I mean?
[00:05:49] Rich Chelson:
Uh-huh.
[00:05:50] Unknown:
Ron says he'll be there shortly. Y'all just talk amongst yourselves.
[00:05:59] Rich Chelson:
Man, we gotta come up with our own conversation topics now. Jee whiz. We're waiting for Ron to do so. Right? I know.
[00:06:06] Unknown:
But, but, anyway so, yeah, I got that done, and that that about set me off further for the evening. And so, yeah, it just it it it was nice and warm today. Thank god. My yard is still a swamp. I mean well, here. Hang on a second. Let me wrong way. This way. Let me tell you, say now. This week alone, we've had 1.49 inches of rain.
[00:06:44] Rich Chelson:
Okay? Wow.
[00:06:46] Unknown:
Yeah. For this month of February, we've had five inches of rain.
[00:06:52] Rich Chelson:
Nice.
[00:06:54] Unknown:
No. My backyard
[00:06:57] Rich Chelson:
no. My backyard is a freaking swamp, dude. Well, that's why you plant watermelons so that it because it's all sandy, so it'll soak up all that water.
[00:07:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Eventually. But but you see, we've had we've had so much rain in a short amount of time. I could almost put a launch a boat in my yard in my backyard. It is that full. When I walk in the dry parts or what looks like a dry part of my yard, I squish. I go squish. Squish. Squish. Squish. So so yeah. It's it's, yeah. I'm I'm trying to get my yard to dry out because, and I might I might have a spot that is dry. So, so, I can, I'm thinking about putting up a 30 antenna for this. Contest? Yeah. Yeah. Thinking about, and, and I having it facing, going east and west instead of because the first one I've got, I've I've got my 41 foot, long wire, and it's ran north to south, which, I mean, it does good as it is.
Right. And I've got a 25 foot vertical, which does really well because, yeah, today, I was I was talking to, Caraco and Saint Lucia and all them, and, I mean, they it was like they were sitting right here in the room with me. It was that clear. Wow. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So yeah. No. It's it's it's been it's been really good, but I'm thinking about putting one, east and west, putting a 41 foot long wire east and west. So I don't know yet, though. I might. We'll see how I feel tomorrow. Because, contest starts tomorrow night at, eighteen hundred.
[00:09:08] Rich Chelson:
Okay. And it goes all weekend long.
[00:09:12] Unknown:
Yeah. It goes till Sunday night at, eighteen hundred or seventeen fifty nine.
[00:09:19] Rich Chelson:
Five.
[00:09:20] Unknown:
That is $5.59 for for all you nonmilitary personnel.
[00:09:25] Rich Chelson:
Oh, you just takes you take the number seventeen, and you take away twelve.
[00:09:31] Unknown:
Yeah. But that confuses a lot of people.
[00:09:34] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. That's that's the only way I was ever able to figure it out. That's up there. And for the longest time, it was like, well, it's +1. Alright. That's +1, 213141516. Alright. Five fingers. Alright. 05:00. Alright. I I now know what time.
[00:09:55] Unknown:
Right. For for a long time, I was I was doing time on my fingers. So Oh, no. No. And, see, that's the thing. When I first learned it, I had to do it that way. I had to I had to do it in my head, you know, do the math because, you know, they'd say seventeen hundred, and I'm like, oh, shit. I'm lost. You know, we're twenty hundred hours or twenty two hundred hours. So, yeah, it took me a while to figure it out. But once I got it figured out, it it now it's well, it's been like this ever since I was in you know, learned in the military. I I can just rattle it off. And in fact, a lot of times, I wish more people would use military time because for me, it it just I don't have to do any math.
You know?
[00:10:40] Duuude-Ron :
Right.
[00:10:41] Unknown:
Because you see, that's the thing. Like like, on some sites, I've seen, you know, if if they use military time, they also have, AM or PM. And and and you have to select AM or PM, and it's like, no. There's none of that. Because anything from from midnight to noon is just this number. Yep. 00100, 0 2 At at noon, when it goes after twelve or when it hits 01:00, it's thirteen. So what goes after twelve? Thirteen. So Right. That's and that's when you stop start subtracting. But, yeah, a lot of people have a hard time with it. So
[00:11:35] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. And, well, basically, what I do is I'll drop the I I don't even worry about the first number. You know? If it even if it's, like, twenty hundred, it's, well, ten minus two. Okay. Well, then it's 08:00. So that's how I figure. That that's how I've gotten around to doing it in my head. I don't even worry about the first set of numbers because even if it's even if it's a twenty, it starts with a two. It's just it's gonna be just a one. So
[00:12:04] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:12:05] Rich Chelson:
Okay. Other than that, if it there there's a one before it, then you just you're you're dropping the one anyhow. So it's not even really all that important. So eighteen drop two off, that's, you know, 06:00.
[00:12:20] Unknown:
Eighteen, drop two off.
[00:12:22] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Eight, seven, six, so you drop two off. Okay. You don't even worry about like I said, don't even worry about the one. So
[00:12:33] Unknown:
Okay. I mean, that's that's a new way. You know? I, I, I, I hadn't heard that that, method of thought.
[00:12:45] Rich Chelson:
But, I mean, if it works, it works. You know? No. Yeah. No. It it it doesn't matter whether it's right or it's wrong. Does it work, and do you come up with the right answer? Yeah. Oh, that's sweet. Awesome.
[00:12:55] Unknown:
Exactly. That's that's exactly it. You know? Everyone worries about, oh, I can't get that Figure it out how it works for you. Right. You know? I mean You know? And that's one thing. Everybody want you know?
[00:13:09] Rich Chelson:
Get me on the on the tirade of everybody running around saying, oh, I've got I've got, autism. It's like, no, dude. You don't. Well, I'm neurodivergent. No. Dude, you're not neurodivergent. Alright? First off, you don't think like anybody else. Alright? Neither does anybody else. Right. So you're neuro like everybody else. You could call yourself not typical or non typical or divergent or insurgent or detergent. Doesn't matter. Airflow now, you'll you'll anger the Tide pod eaters. I don't care about the Tide pod eaters. They can they they can sit there and enjoy their their delicacy all they want. Right. But but, again, no. I I that's if you're if you're if you're a, actually, we have, you know, I've got stuck on the Asperger's.
Yeah. Yeah. What's that fucking word? Not neurodivergent. You're autistic. Thank you. Good. Oh, I do. My my brain was, like, going through all these other words, and I was like, no. No. That's not the one. So but yeah. So, you know, if you're autistic, yes, there are those who are high functioning autistic. Those are people like, Temple Grandin. Right. High functioning, autistic. Alright? She Yeah. Figured out a way to work. She didn't run around going, well, I'm autistic. Y'all have to give me no. Hell, have you ever have you ever gone through and watched, her, her movie, her biopic?
Yes. I did. I love that movie. Excellent.
[00:14:59] Unknown:
Oh, awesome. Excellent, man. Absolutely.
[00:15:01] Rich Chelson:
Who was it? Claire Danes at the that plays her? Yeah. Yeah. So and I mean Excellent. Excellent movie, man. I mean, damn, dude. I was I was impressed. Yeah. And I mean, yeah, she was she had to do a lot had to go through a lot of different hurdles. But at the same time, she didn't go off and, like, a lot of people use their their that label to hold them now. It was just a a matter of fact. Oh, okay. Well, I I have autism. Alright. That's the reason why I don't like to be hugged. Alright. That's why I don't like to be touched. But, you know, this and, yeah, they kinda go through and say, well, okay. I I think of stuff in pictures.
Well, that doesn't necessarily mean autistic. No. It doesn't mean anything. I I don't think I'm autistic. I happen to look at things in pictures, but also I have to look at things in words too. Right. So, I mean, it just depends on who you are and what you're doing. And How it works for you, basically. And, again, how it works for you. And so to to be holding yourself back because you've got this label, whether you're and people are trying to take, like, ADHD and combine it into, neurodivergent. No. No. Just kid doesn't like to sit still very often. He thinks things he he's got he's got a, he's got a hyper switching, channel switcher.
So, yeah, he's jumping from one topic to another because he's wanting more he's wanting more dopamine and serotonin in his system than other kids. Now why is that? Well, I don't you know? If I was to guess, probably a lot of it was television.
[00:16:51] Unknown:
Probably.
[00:16:52] Rich Chelson:
Mhmm. Good chance. But it still was existing beforehand because a lot of people think that maybe, oh, Edison was probably ADHD.
[00:17:06] Unknown:
Right.
[00:17:06] Rich Chelson:
Because he would work on one little one little project for a short while, and then he'd go to go to a different one. Right. So, I mean
[00:17:17] Unknown:
Let's see. Sometimes people that's how that's how that's how people, work things through and actually, you know, they're down one path. And then, you know, if they stop and work on something else while they're working on that, their mind's on this other thing, and they figure it out, and they go back and finish it. And then they come back. You know? I I mean, I do that a lot sometimes. Oh, hell yeah. Fact fact sometimes, you know, if I don't do it that way, I get frustrated and walk away, and I don't even touch it again.
[00:17:51] Rich Chelson:
Hey. Fuck this shit. I'm done. I'm out of here. Quit. Stop. Stop.
[00:17:55] Unknown:
Pretty much. You know? That's why that's why I'll stop, and I'll do something else. And sometimes it takes six months. And it's like, oh, shit. That's what I was missing. I go back to it. Right? But, you know, that that's the thing, though. That doesn't mean I'm autistic or divergent or then any of those 20 other words you said. Yeah. You know, it's just that's just the way things work with me.
[00:18:30] Rich Chelson:
You know? I I don't I don't need a label for it. No. That's, that's one of the things. And these sadly, there was a for a little while, there was kind of a movement of let's get rid of all these labels. And then I was like, all of a sudden, there's, like, everybody's, like, turn around. I was like, no. No. No. We want labels. Well, let's label more stuff. And they, you know, they, all of a sudden, everything's gotta have a label. You know? Oh, yeah. You're on the spectrum. Well, what the fuck's a damn spectrum? Yeah. I am not a piece of light, so, no, we it's not.
[00:19:05] Unknown:
Well, well, see, that's the thing on on yeah. Okay. On the spectrum. Who thought up that spectrum?
[00:19:12] Rich Chelson:
It makes it easy to be able to explain. Well, there's different No. Types of autism because, you know, some people have it really bad and are nonfunctioning, while other people have have just a little bit, and they can they're okay. And that's the ones those are the ones who I just wanna reach around reach around, with my hand and just give them a good healthy smack.
[00:19:37] Unknown:
Right. But no. No. No. No. When I asked, you know, you know, who who in this world came up with this spectrum? Because, I mean, they're stupid.
[00:19:52] Rich Chelson:
Well, that that would have been the, the the quote, unquote experts.
[00:19:59] Unknown:
Yeah. In other words, scientists who were paid to say, oh, this is the spectrum we have to go by.
[00:20:08] Rich Chelson:
I don't know if they were necessarily paid. I think they were just like, oh, I got a I got a word that'll fit for stuff, and and people will it's an ego trip. Oh, I get to I I made up a word, and everybody's used stuck it into the lexicon. And yeah. Yeah. We use you know? It's kinda like trigger. Trigger I get triggered by the actually, I don't get triggered. I get activated by when someone says, well, I'm I feel triggered. No. You don't. I like that. Full control of your freaking your freaking, faculties. Alright? You are choosing to become activated.
Alright? You aren't being triggered. Triggered means that somebody else is coming along here taking control of your body and making you mad. I'm sorry. I could tell you every name in the book, and I'm not actually making you mad. I could sit there and push you down a hill, and it doesn't mean that you're gonna end up necessarily getting mad at me. I could do some of the worst horrible stuff to you. Doesn't mean that you're going to get mad or you're gonna be activated or you're gonna be triggered because of whatever it is I did. You chose to react the way that you did instead of taking the time, thinking things through, and responding.
[00:21:28] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:21:32] Rich Chelson:
No. No. I agree. I agree. That's that's I'm Brian. Good morning. Thank you for listening to my TED Talk. All two minutes of it. All two minutes. Hey. Hey. It has to be can't be any longer than the what is it? Eighteen minutes?
[00:21:48] Unknown:
Something like that, I think. Yeah.
[00:21:50] Rich Chelson:
So there you go. I I made it nice and short.
[00:21:55] Unknown:
But yeah. No. It yeah. I I don't know. It just, yeah, it ir yeah. It irks me when when, they well, like well, like, my nephew, MJ. Five years old. He has to take, you know, you know, medicine because he's well, he don't have to. Britt and Brian put him on a medicine because, I mean, the kid I mean, the kid's wild. Wild as shit. And Yeah. Basically, this is my opinion. He needs discipline and structure.
[00:22:31] Rich Chelson:
You know? But Well, I he may may just need a full day of working in a field. Well, he's five years old, dude. I know. There's nothing wrong with having a kid. You know, I'm working in a field means completely different thing for a five year old than it does an an 18 year old. Right. No. No. I'm not same time, if you were to have him, you know, doing what something, you know, for for a twelve hour stint. Right. Without having the external stimuli of of a screen. Give that boy three days. He would sleep like a flipping baby every damn time.
[00:23:09] Unknown:
Right.
[00:23:11] Rich Chelson:
And, if you give him the proper taps of rewards so, you know, as you're, as you're out to, say, building fence and he's he's, yeah, he's going out and grabbing you know, going running to the, the pickup to grab the the fencing pliers or whatever. I mean, that's one thing I remember doing was always being dad's fencing plier holder. Right. But, I mean, that's that's one of the problems that I think we've a lot of our kids do does have is that they are a lot like like today like animals, like the dogs, of today. You watch, Cesar, Mulan. He always talks about if a dog doesn't have enough exercise, they're going to become mentally unstable. They're going to start doing weird stupid, you know, aggressive stuff because they don't have an outlet.
Right. And granted, today's society is screwed up enough to where you've got everybody sticking their nose and everybody else's goddamn business.
[00:24:18] Unknown:
True.
[00:24:19] Rich Chelson:
And instead of letting the kids run up and down the the the street Oh, yeah. No. They they freaking lock them in the house. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They lock them in the house. You can't be riding a bicycle. Oh my gosh. You gotta have mom hanging out with a teenager with a 13 year old kid, and he's gotta have his bicycle helmet on, and he's gotta have his knee pads and elbow pads and a body pad and, you know Right. A safety harness and and and, your PT belt and everything else on. Or if it's,
[00:24:52] Unknown:
85 degrees. Oh my god. It's too hot. You'll get overheated. Or if it's, you know, 30 degrees. Oh, it's too cold. Let let the kids
[00:25:04] Rich Chelson:
let come to the kids learn. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, it's 80 degrees. We used to walk to the damn pool in a hundred and five degrees Exactly. Barefoot
[00:25:13] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:25:13] Rich Chelson:
On the hot asphalt. And granted, we walked fast. Oh, that's no lie.
[00:25:21] Unknown:
We freaking step too. But but, see, that's the thing, though. Parents nowadays and and not even just nowadays. This has been going on since
[00:25:31] Rich Chelson:
when Since the '90 the late nineties. Yeah. Well,
[00:25:35] Unknown:
yeah, it was I'd say somewhat of the parents of the late eighties Yeah. Early nineties. It it it it started slowly. Gen x. Yeah. Yeah. But but, yeah, they you know, because so, you know, the gen x are thought, oh my god. We had such a terrible life. And then now when they're 50,
[00:25:57] Rich Chelson:
they're so We're looking back going, holy smokes. We had an amazing life. We need to get these kids on that life again, but now we've slowly added our own neuroticism to, to the, to our kids, and our kids now have kids. And so we've got you know?
[00:26:14] Unknown:
Right.
[00:26:15] Rich Chelson:
We've got the, got the kids that are that are in the condition that they're in now, and it's you know? But the problem that we have is we could still correct it. You can still tell the kids, no. Y'all go outside. I poke my head out there. I better see y'all outside someplace, not in somebody's house.
[00:26:36] Unknown:
Right.
[00:26:38] Rich Chelson:
And, you know, put them out in the backyard. I mean, if you wanna makes make them safe, then, alright, there's the water sprinkler. There's the trampoline. Go. You can't you're you're outside for for the next five hours. Do not come in. Do not knock on the door. I will throw some baloney sandwiches out the front out the back door when it's lunchtime. Don't bother me till then.
[00:27:01] Unknown:
Did you just, suggest to drink out of the sprinkler?
[00:27:06] Rich Chelson:
Oh, dude. Come on. I used to drink off the damn trampoline. We thought that was funny. Just that they're Right. Spraying the trampoline. Right. Oh, no. No. I'm not dude, I'm not knocking it out. God knows what type of disease we were slurping in because, I mean, we had we had feet bouncing off of it. You had butts bouncing off of it. And, you know, we're just idiot kids. Just drink off and drink the water.
[00:27:32] Unknown:
Right. Oh, no. I I was the same way. I mean I mean, we drink. By god, we were thirsty if, we weren't near a garden hose or a water spigot. If we found a puddle of water,
[00:27:45] Rich Chelson:
by god, we were thirsty. We looked at it, made sure there weren't any wigglers. And, and if if there if there weren't, alright. Well, we'll grab a little handful. Don't dip all the way down or you get dirt in it, and you don't
[00:27:58] Unknown:
want that. No. No. But but yeah. No. I mean no. I'm I mean, I'm game, but now, oh my god. You know, parents just go nuts because, oh my god, it's it's it's not Perrier. You know? It's like yeah. It's fucking tap water in a bottle, people. Yeah.
[00:28:18] Rich Chelson:
But if you were to if we're if, you know, if you were to have MJ and just had him work with you for for twelve hours, three days straight, that kid when it's time for bed, he may say, no. I'm not tired, but the moment he sat still, he'd been out.
[00:28:40] Unknown:
Yeah. He would be. He would be.
[00:28:44] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. And that's just it. You're we the the kids need to move a lot more. Right. And that's one thing I keep telling my daughter is like, no. No. Get you know, have her take her outside. Let her go play in the backyard. Take some of the toys out there. Now you have to you're gonna have to go, you know, rake up the dog poo in the backyard a bit, but that's okay. She gets her hands in some. She'll she'll, she'll smell it for a bit, then beside that, she doesn't want it. So Well, unless she tries to eat it. Well, I mean, it's not gonna kill you. It's just gonna give you bad breath for a day or two. Right. Well, you know what? I your breath smells like shit. What the hell was that?
[00:29:26] Unknown:
Dude, I'm not I'm not saying I am innocent in this. Okay? I mean, I believe, I I remember, I think, I was, like, five, and I, yeah, got in trouble because, yeah, I, yeah, grabbed dog crap, and I'm not sure if I ate it or or if I was about to eat it before I got stopped. But yeah. You know?
[00:29:57] Rich Chelson:
Hey. You left. You learned.
[00:29:59] Unknown:
Right? Oh, yeah. I learned because I haven't done it since so far as I have.
[00:30:04] Rich Chelson:
You know? Absolutely. Well, I mean
[00:30:09] Unknown:
But, but yeah. No. It's, Yeah. It's, I I don't know. It's I wish I wish I wish I wish parents would do something different, but they weren't ray you see, that's the thing, though. They weren't raised with
[00:30:27] Rich Chelson:
with any of this. So Oh, you're right. They weren't raised with it. But at the same time, they need to understand that if Karen comes along and thinks she's gonna demand something, you need to start we need to get back into the Karen, mind your own freaking business portion of your hand, which is typically the backside of a hand.
[00:30:48] Unknown:
Right.
[00:30:50] Rich Chelson:
Give be start giving people a couple of smacks across the face and say, mind your own goddamn business. Right. I will mind mine. You mind yours. You stay on your side of the street. I'll stay on mine. Don't worry about what my kids do. Yell at them if they get on your property. Not on your sidewalk, on your property. I have no problem with you yelling at them for that. But Right. You know? Other than that, you know, no. Just ignore the kids. Leave them alone. They ain't hurting you. They're throwing rocks at each other. They're gonna realize one day that a rock to the head hurts, and then they'll stop.
And it leaves a mark too. Yeah. It does. Yeah. I could well, dirt clods hurt too. I thought I was gonna be smart and use a trash can lid as a as a shield, and I blocked one. The only problem was there was two of them coming at me at the same time. And I I got one. The second one, fool's eye in the middle of the in the middle of the forehead, Rock my head back and sat me on my ass.
[00:31:53] Unknown:
Say say say we used to have black walnut fights.
[00:31:58] Rich Chelson:
Oh god. Yeah. Some of my bit those hurt. Oh god. Those are hurt. Not nice. Well, whoever god was not in a good mood when he made those. Those will leave a mark. I care. They and and Well, yeah. I mean, they stay in your fingers if you're trying to peel them.
[00:32:14] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And and stain your fingers for two weeks, minimum. Yeah. Minimum two weeks. And I don't I don't lye soap will not get that stain out. Nope. I just stain.
[00:32:28] Rich Chelson:
I I don't know why God made them. I don't think I've ever known anybody to eat them. Oh, black walnuts? Oh my god. That shit's good, dude. I've not ever seen well, like I said, I've never we had a we have, had a friend, well, neighborhood friend. I'm gonna call him a friend, though they they we would get into walnut fights with each other because he had a black walnut tree in his yard. Right. Big one too. I mean, it dropped those damn green grenades all over the place. And, yeah, I mean, never saw they were always around. They were people always there, but nobody ever freaking ate them. Never picked them up. I didn't think I didn't think they were actually ever edible. Oh, yeah. Oh, it did. Well, I didn't realize until I was in my twenties that that was actually what that was. I just figured they were we used to call it the damn rock tree.
[00:33:24] Unknown:
No freaking black walnuts to buy them, you know, hold and, you know, and everything.
[00:33:30] Rich Chelson:
They're like $8.09, $10 a pound, dude. Well, no wonder because no one could get into them.
[00:33:36] Unknown:
Well, it it it it it it does take some practice, but,
[00:33:42] Rich Chelson:
Now granted, I I know that people have opened them up before because, I mean, my my grandmother would use the, use the shell with all the meat hollowed out. Uh-huh. She would use the use the shell for the face of an owl. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. She would take them. She'd glue it to the deal that she'd paint it up, and they'd have the body of an owl. And, I mean, she had these damn things all over the place. I never knew they were walnuts until one you know, until after I realized what a black walnut was and had one cracked open. I was like, oh, hey. I know that.
[00:34:18] Unknown:
Right. Right. But yeah. No. The, you see, the thing is the taste with the black walnut. And the reason why a lot of people don't like them is is because the taste is totally different from, like, an English walnut or or a regular walnut that that we're used to because the black walnut is sweet. It's a lot sweeter, but it's also tart at the same time. Oh, it's got a lot of tannin in it. Okay. And it's good. You know? I mean I mean, it is it I mean, honestly, you take black walnuts and put it in in, homemade ice cream while you're churning it. Oh oh my god. That is like, dude, we used to take black walnut because because my grandfather we had three black walnut trees in our backyard.
He had, he knew of well, up in Missouri, black walnut is fucking everywhere. So Right. Drive down the road and get, you know, 500 pounds of black walnuts in a minute. Seriously. I mean, you could get that much, and that's not counting what we got from our trees. Right? Right. So so my grandfather would, throw them all out in the driveway and dry them. He would hold them, you know, and and we would we'd help him, and we'd wear them thick rubber gloves, you know, that that you thought, you know,
[00:35:47] Rich Chelson:
you won't Yeah. So you to go the your dishes for dishes. Yeah. Oh, no. Even thicker. Oh, you're talking like the chemical gloves. Yes. And guess what? Bitch. Okay.
[00:35:57] Unknown:
That stain still came through. Yeah. That's fine. You were staying for two weeks minimum, but then he would lay them out in the driveway and dry them in the sun. And he would have to watch them because the squirrels, squirrels will fucking just tear him up in a minute. You know? And, but, yeah, he would dry him, and then he would take a a a sometimes a ball peen hammer or a 16 ounce, hammer and crack them on the side because there's a seam on there. Yeah. And if Yeah. And if you hit that, you can pop both halves out, then he'd take a a a pick and pick the walnuts out, clean it all out and everything like that, and he'd sit there and do that during walnut season, and then they'd freeze them. And then the next summer, oh my god.
It was homemade ice cream making. We had black wanted ice cream. Oh my god. Oh, I still remember that, dude, still. What? 40 god. I was, what, 10? 10, 11 years old when we had that shit. Oh, man. It was good. Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. And and, you know, if you find them, get a pound. You know? Just just buy one pound because they're expensive.
[00:37:23] Rich Chelson:
And Yeah. They are. You can eat them
[00:37:26] Unknown:
raw by themselves, which Right. Which are good. They do have different taste, or put them get some vanilla ice cream and put them in there. Stick them in there and
[00:37:37] Rich Chelson:
swish it around for a little bit and then let it freeze.
[00:37:41] Unknown:
Get her done, man. So Oh my god. I'm telling you. It's it I mean, it's it's good. But most people don't like the taste because they just taste totally different. And, I mean, I get it, but, you know, that's where I think everyone should just like them.
[00:37:59] Duuude-Ron :
Right.
[00:38:00] Unknown:
You know?
[00:38:02] Rich Chelson:
But yeah. Well, well, we we used to I know about, I did know about about the fact that you could actually eat them. Like I said, not until I was older, but, and stuff. But another thing we used to go off another natural weapon we would go off and use, we would go off and get a stick and and put a, nail on the end of it. And so it's basically kinda like a trash picker upper.
[00:38:24] Unknown:
Right.
[00:38:25] Rich Chelson:
Except we'd use it to pick up Osage oranges, heat them at each other. The only rule on that was not a space.
[00:38:35] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. We were not allowed to have sharp objects in our sticks. Sounds bad enough because we'd poke ourselves with the sticks by themselves. We didn't need that.
[00:38:45] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. If you if you had a pocket knife, well, you could just take a normal stick and sharpen it up and and use it to stab the, the the horse apples.
[00:38:54] Unknown:
But Right. Oh, yeah. Oh, god. Those things fucking hurt.
[00:38:58] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Yeah. Those those things really fucking hurt. Yeah. But Which and the funny thing is is I've heard of OSA joints, and I've heard of horse apples. And I'd also heard of of, of Bodark fence posts. Bodark fence posts. Yeah. They're they're just old. They're fence posts that most, in the Panhandle, a lot of farmers love that will have our will use Bo D'Arc fence posts.
[00:39:29] Unknown:
K. Never heard of those. Okay. Well
[00:39:33] Rich Chelson:
and if you go around a lot of places, you see L'Od The Arc. Alright? It's, French for, bow wood or wooden bow.
[00:39:45] Unknown:
Okay.
[00:39:46] Rich Chelson:
Those are all the same damn things. Really? I did not yeah. I didn't realize this until about a year ago, thanks to my friend John. Tell tell me the about how they were gonna go pick up some, some bowdart. And I was like, oh, bowdart. Man, I hadn't thought of bowdart forever. Man, that makes some good fence posts. He's like, good fence posts? Those are supposed to be some of the best, bow wood that you could find for making, wooden bows. It's like, really? Hadn't not ever thought. I was like, well, yeah. That's why they're called Boa D'Arc. And I and it dawned on me. It's like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. You're saying Boa D'Arc.
Boa D'Arc. Well, yeah, that's actually how Texas pronounce it. It's not Boa D'Arc. You like the French say it. It's Boa D'Arc. So the town that's in in Oklahoma because there's a town called that, I've seen, and I've always called it Boa D'Arc. But, apparently, it's actually supposed to be pronounced Bois D'Arc. I don't know if it is. I haven't gone over there to ask anybody to find out if I get punched for saying it the wrong way. But, but it yeah. It's, apparently, Bois D'Arc is also known as Osage. And Osage is what the Osage Indians and, actually, it was a prized wood. If you found a Osage tree, you you're going to you almost guarantee that you're gonna that's the one that the Indians are gonna go find. They're gonna cut off a limb, and that's what they're gonna use for their bows.
Because it's strong but flexible enough that you could actually use it as a for a bow.
[00:41:32] Unknown:
Okay.
[00:41:33] Rich Chelson:
But it also is very like I said, it's very strong. So the farmers love to use it for their for their fence posts and more specifically, the corner posts of their of their, other fences. Because apparently, it held up real well to weathering. It's almost like cedar where it would it would, it actually wouldn't doesn't rot the same way as other, other woods do.
[00:42:00] Unknown:
Right. Right.
[00:42:04] Rich Chelson:
But, yeah, it's but, yeah, I do I that was the biggest odd 2024, that was the that was the word of the day for for that year. Word of the year. It was was, what? Bow dart, Osage, and and the wooden bow were all the same damn thing, and that they all produced horse apples.
[00:42:34] Unknown:
That's crazy.
[00:42:35] Rich Chelson:
So now every time I see a horse apple tree, I'm like, hey. I know what that is. That's an Osage tree. I I still haven't gotten around to getting a getting a saw ready. So if I see one in a place that's in a public area, I can run over there and go saw off a a good sized limb so I can turn it into a bow. That would be cool. Yeah. I'd like to I'd like to hand make a bow, just once. Right. And I know that it takes a lot because it because it is a it is a fine art, to be a bowyer. Right. So but I'd love to I'd love to just make one and, you know, find a find a, someone go, like, over to, our local butcher, deer and deer season and and grab a bunch of, a bunch of the sinew that he's that he has whenever you, butcher a deer because that's you use that as the backing for the bow so that it has a little more strength.
Right. And a little more snap whenever it, because you'll you apply it and let it dry. And when it dries, it's it shrinks, and so it it really pulls in the, the the the wood a little bit better. So whenever you let go of the the bowstrings, even more energy is transferred to your arrow.
[00:44:00] Unknown:
Right. Right. So No. That would be cool. You know? But, yeah, I didn't know I didn't know that. Now, okay, let me ask you this question. What is your definition of a of a horse apple?
[00:44:18] Rich Chelson:
It is a green brain Yep. Brain big green, fruit that comes off off the tree that looks like a big green brain.
[00:44:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I was I was I was I was wanting to make sure we were on the same page. On the same page. Yeah. When you stabbed it, it had the white milky latex substance. Yes. And and, honestly, it's, it's a very good to, repel spiders.
[00:44:45] Rich Chelson:
Oh, is it? Yes. It is. Oh, yeah. If I was the size of a spider and I had one of those flinging at me, I'd be running too. No. You don't have to throw it at them.
[00:44:56] Unknown:
No. You just you just get some and and, put them on the floor in your house, you know, in corners or whatnot. And it, and in your closet or whatnot, it'll keep spiders and, pests away. It's a yeah. It's a, yeah, it's a natural pest repellent.
[00:45:17] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. If I was to do that in our house, we'd end up having the the the local spider union four thirteen protest down in my front
[00:45:26] Unknown:
yard. Right.
[00:45:30] Rich Chelson:
Right. They'd be upset. Oh, yeah. They would. Because, I mean, heck, I've got at least mainly the part the the the gorilla spiders, are are the number one guys that hang out in my in my house. And I mean yeah. I I I admit I don't take care of my house the way I should. Right. And that's also because, heck, I like gorilla spiders. They they catch the they catch all the flies. So, you know, yeah. Yeah. Well, no. And and you see my eaves and my along my ceiling, they're they're a little wooly, but but that's okay.
[00:46:02] Unknown:
Yeah. But see okay. The thing is people, you know, flip out over spiders and stuff like that, and, actually, there's nothing you know, you know, when when you say spiders actually are a good thing in a house, they actually are. Oh, yeah. Pretty much so. But but the thing is everyone automatically goes to, oh my god. It's a brown recluse.
[00:46:26] Rich Chelson:
You've never seen a fucking brown recluse. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We got a lot of it in our house. No. No. You do. Okay.
[00:46:33] Unknown:
Okay. But but I'm I'm talking about out in the basement, so we're we're okay. Right. But no. I'm talking about city people. Oh, yeah. That's that's the first that's the first kind of spider.
[00:46:49] Rich Chelson:
They've never seen one. No. Or they think or that because they see a little black, gorilla spider, they're like, oh, it's a black widow. Yeah. No. It's not a Black widows don't have hair.
[00:47:03] Unknown:
You don't. Yeah. Trust me. When you see a black widow, you'll You'll know. You'll fuck them with it. Exactly. You will know it. I've seen a couple of them. And and I tell you what, those are they're serious.
[00:47:19] Rich Chelson:
Isn't that? I don't as well. No. I won't either. I I've had I've had one black widow actually in the house, and down, again, down the basement. And, yeah, that's granted, I am I'm I'm typically a believer of killings. It's bad luck to kill a spider in the house. But sorry. Those motherfuckers are dead in my house. Right. I've only found one. She got mushed, and, and with with no with no, no sorry to sorry to do this. It was just unceremoniously squish, and we're good. Brown recluses, the same way. I do kinda look at them, though, to make sure the brown recluses. Right. Right. I know hobo spiders give you a really pow a painful bite also, but they're nowhere near as dangerous as what a, recluse is.
Right. But
[00:48:14] Unknown:
but saying and say, you know, you know, like you said, spiders, you know, the one spiders, you have catch the flies, which I mean, that's awesome. And and, you know, spiders are are naturally that's what they're there for. They catch insects and eat the insects. Mhmm. You know? Oh, and
[00:48:35] Rich Chelson:
and scare the shit out of you if you've got if you get some wolf spiders that are about, you know, about a inch and a half in in in length.
[00:48:44] Unknown:
See those big ass on the bitches. You're like, oh, okay. You're alright. Go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen a few wolf spiders that big, and I've kinda been like, yo. Oh, okay. Alright. I'm good. It's like, yo, dude. You need the the moose anyway. Yeah. You know?
[00:49:01] Rich Chelson:
Stay hidden, please. I don't mind you here. Just stay hidden.
[00:49:04] Unknown:
Right. Right. But yeah. And see, that's the thing, though. Most people, you know, you know, they just they don't realize why these smaller animals like this, like spiders and, you know, others, were are on this earth. You know? Right. And, I mean, you know, because every creature has a purpose
[00:49:29] Rich Chelson:
except for mosquitoes. I I don't know what what purpose they have except to drink our blood. No. Their purpose is to is to make sure that the frogs have something to eat. And the bats. The bats. The bats eat a lot of and a lot of skiers.
[00:49:43] Unknown:
Well, yeah, that's true. That's true. Will the birds eat skaters?
[00:49:51] Rich Chelson:
I you know, honestly, I don't know. I just I I I assume I mean, if, if a frog will and, and and bats do, so I I'm sure that there's probably, you probably have something like, like nighthawks because they actually are fairly accurate fairly small birds, so they actually eat insects too. So I bet you they probably take up quite a few skeeters.
[00:50:16] Unknown:
Okay. But no. It just I don't know that. I mean, there's just certain critters that it's like, I'm not I'm not gonna let them in my house. You know? I'm just not. Now now one thing I've noticed down here, and and I hope I don't jinx myself by saying this, but this year well, I mean, we're just crawling out of winter as as much as I can actually say that with a straight face. But, I, in this house, I really haven't seen any spiders or mice, or I think it's too hot for the mice. They say no. But some No. No. Come out.
[00:51:02] Rich Chelson:
No. They, they're I mean, y'all y'all there's my, I mean, there's my server work. I mean, there's Right.
[00:51:08] Unknown:
Well, I'm just saying I haven't seen any.
[00:51:13] Rich Chelson:
Even if because there's those two cats that you don't know about.
[00:51:16] Unknown:
Oh, shit. Dude, we've got cats running all around over here. Oh, man. In this neighborhood, I I know of about four or five cats. So yeah. And there is not a mouse problem at all. But, no, it just it just you know? I don't know. I mean I mean, I don't like bugs in my house. A lot of bugs. Flies, I can't stand flies. Oh, I can't stand flies. Yeah. And and and and roaches, no. No. I don't do roaches. No. My house my house doesn't have cockroaches.
[00:51:50] Rich Chelson:
Now they do have wood roaches down here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Those things will scare the shit out of you because you think they're just gonna run around until they fly.
[00:51:59] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. And and I've seen some big motherfuckers down here. I'm talking Mhmm. They stand an eighth of an inch off the wall. Right? Okay. About an inch, inch and a half long. And that fucker's just on the wall right there, and it's like, yeah. What's up, dude? Smoking a cigarette, drinking a scotch and water. You know? Exactly. Fuck you, buddy. You're dead. You better enjoy that cigarette and that scotch.
[00:52:28] Rich Chelson:
Better just stay right out here and enjoy the wood because you ain't getting anything inside my house. Right. I get you there, you're gonna be mushed. Mhmm.
[00:52:38] Unknown:
Yeah. No. When when I was looking at houses, me and my realtor walked in in this one house, and I walked in this one room. And this son of bitch was right in the smack dab middle of the wall. And I was like, holy fuck. What the hell? And Linda turned around and said, oh, it's just a wood rope. And I said, that's the biggest motherfucker I'd ever seen.
[00:53:06] Rich Chelson:
And ever seen a Madagascar hiss hissing cockroach? No. Seems even bigger. Talking about two and a half, three inches long. Oh, hell no. An inch wide. Yeah. It would be You pick them up, and they fuckers hiss at you.
[00:53:24] Unknown:
No. Let me see. I wouldn't pick them up. My size ten fucking shoe would be smooshing them. No. He would hiss his last hiss. No. No. I don't. I don't I don't do that. But but yeah. No. No. Other than that, I I just, you know, I I mean I mean, bugs are here for a reason. I just don't like bugs in my house.
[00:53:53] Rich Chelson:
Right.
[00:53:54] Unknown:
You know? So so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Horse apples? I haven't found any down here. I might I might have to run up north and see if I can find some because I'm damn sure not buying them on the Internet because you can, believe it or not. Dollar a piece last last time I checked. Yeah. People sell horse apples. Yes. I'm like, really? I mean, freaking really. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Grab me a load of horse apples and, sell them in, Amarillo. City people will buy them up.
[00:54:35] Rich Chelson:
You ever seen any of those, those giant red headed, centipedes there and and yet?
[00:54:42] Unknown:
No. I haven't. No?
[00:54:44] Rich Chelson:
Nope. That'll that'll scare the shit out of you. I've seen one in in what since living here in Oklahoma. Okay. Yeah. No. I I have not yeah. You're probably right. That one would probably scare the shit out of me. Yeah. I mean, and and that was just one of the things that's growing up living in in this house, it's had several things that I've come across that I just never would have thought I'd ever see. One, about once, sometimes twice a year, we'll we'll find a scorpion in the house.
[00:55:17] Unknown:
Okay.
[00:55:19] Rich Chelson:
And live growing up in in Sunray until well, until I moved into the this house, I have never seen a scorpion in the wild Okay. Until I lived in this house, and I will and I don't know why they love my sink, but they do. I will find one in my sink every goddamn time. Really? Yeah. It'll about like I said, about once, twice a week. It's usually around spring. It's about time for us to find another one. Okay. But, but find one in the sink. And it's like, god dang it. So I'll go off. I'll get a I'll get a piece of paper or something. Not and and and they're they're beneficial too. They're they they hurt like hell if they sting you because the the they're the little guys. But I I get them swept over onto the onto the dustpan, and I'll carry them out to the out to the field that's, across the, the or the yard. It's not a field, but, the yard that's behind the behind the house, and I'll take them and throw them throw them out in the middle of there. Heck, I've even thrown had a couple pocket gophers being brought in by the by the cat, so I've taken them and trapped them inside of a inside of a bucket. So they those little fuckers remain.
So Pocket gopher. What's a pocket gopher? Pocket gopher. Ugly little fuck. This is what a this is what a pocket gopher is. What what is it? Well, it looks a lot like a mole, except he's got these, insanely large front front, teeth and stuff. And, I mean, like I said, they they're you would think this damn thing's a 20 pounds and and, you know, standing five foot two as as as tough as you'd think he is. And then, I mean, he's got these big old huge old, clawed, paws on his front because that's what they dig with. Right. And, a lot of people think think of moles, but now these are these are pocket gophers. And anytime you're walking dry you're in, in Oklahoma, if you see just random little piles of dirt Yeah. That's that's sign that you've got a pocket go from running around there somewhere.
That's a mole to me. Well, yeah. We but moles are typically black. These are kinda more of a mouse color. Okay. Okay. So, say, hell, yeah. I've taken a few of those and thrown them out in the back. I mean, hell, yeah. You'd think be it living in in an old town that we'd we would have less, less wildlife as than we do. But, hell, we've had well, I think I mentioned it last week, but, hell, we've got a, we've got a skunk that lives somewhere around the house.
[00:58:02] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You did say something about that last week. So we've got
[00:58:07] Rich Chelson:
everybody keeps taking we're we're driving neigh mother nature away. Bullshit. They're invading. Alright?
[00:58:14] Unknown:
Well, they just moved to y'all's town because they know
[00:58:18] Rich Chelson:
there ain't no building going on in your town. Well, there ain't no building, but hell, we're I even went ahead and, whenever I started seeing that skunk around, I was I went ahead and, have a one of the, county sheriffs that lives in the, lives in that town. And I went over, and I was talking to him. I was like, hey. If there's a skunk running around and bothering the, bothering property, Can I shoot them with a nine millimeters? Like, well, yeah. You can shoot them with a nine millimeter. Just know that if that nine that slug bounces off and hits somebody else or does any damage to something else, you're liable. It's like, point taken. BB gun it is. So
[00:58:54] Unknown:
Well, either way, that's, I mean, that's a given.
[00:58:58] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Well, it it was a given, but, yeah, it's just the fact that he's he's basically said, yeah. You gotta shoot the damn thing. Shoot the damn thing. Just, again, like everybody you know, the rule rule of guns, know what's your backstop, what's behind what's beyond your target.
[00:59:13] Unknown:
So Yeah. That's that's that should be number one. You know? But Yeah. Well,
[00:59:21] Rich Chelson:
and if you're raised round guns, you know that. If you ain't raised round guns, that quickly becomes a, a a a, a learning lesson.
[00:59:31] Unknown:
So Right. Right. Dude, you made it. Close it
[00:59:37] Duuude-Ron :
up. Finally.
[00:59:40] Unknown:
Yeah. I know. It's
[00:59:43] Duuude-Ron :
Putting out more dumpster fires, putting dwell trying to control the dumpster fire and not anyway, Yeah. More fires. Oh, yeah. That's alright. That's my life. Nothing but fire. Forest fires, dumpster fire, anything but a campfire. Would love to have a campfire. And I got the a campfire. I know I do. I have I have one. It's, you know, one of the the metal ones that has the the the metal legs and then has that dome over the top that's, metal mesh. I'm sure you've seen them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Fire pits? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fire pit. I have one of those. I just need to pull it out and you know? And knowing my luck, if I put it in the front of the house, in the front yard and start up a fire, somebody's gonna fucking call the goddamn fire department.
[01:00:44] Rich Chelson:
Well, yeah, if it's if it's dry. Yeah. For sure. For sure.
[01:00:49] Unknown:
But why? Because it has that mesh on it, which is a spark arrestor.
[01:00:55] Rich Chelson:
Because that's that's a fire. You're not allowed to have a fire. That's fire. What if it burns burns something down? What if it burns your house down?
[01:01:07] Duuude-Ron :
That, you know yeah. And I'm the and, of course, I'm my fault. Gonna be. Yeah. And it's not that I'm gonna be fucking out there with a cup of coffee watching it. That would make no fucking sense whatsoever that they would fucking see somebody sitting next to it with a cup of coffee. Come on. They
[01:01:33] Unknown:
they don't see you with your cup of coffee, dude. They just see the fire and, like, oh my god. It's a three alarm. Yes. Of course. Yes. Now they don't see the old white haired dude holding a big ass cup of coffee standing two feet away warming his nuts. Oh, no. They don't see that. They just see Of course not. They just see, oh my god. It's nuts roasting
[01:01:58] Rich Chelson:
by an open fire.
[01:02:01] Duuude-Ron :
That's exactly what it would be, an open fire without a fucking doubt.
[01:02:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That's why that's why when I lived up north, that Uh-huh. That's why I loved living out out in the county, you know, as as much as I loved living up there. I mean, I did enjoy that out in the county because I had a tractor wheel. I'm talking a big ass tractor wheel, and I had an open fire. I didn't have no metal mesh on top of it. It I mean, the flames
[01:02:36] Rich Chelson:
you know? I mean, I never went where they wanted to go.
[01:02:39] Unknown:
Pretty much. Yeah.
[01:02:41] Duuude-Ron :
You think I'm gonna well, I don't have the metal mesh piece anymore, so it would be an open fire.
[01:02:47] Unknown:
Okay. Well, that's, I mean This is my motherfucking ass.
[01:02:51] Duuude-Ron :
I'm roasting my nuts. K? Do you see that? Nuts and marshmallows make, make, schmo nuts. Schmoe nuts? That's good. Schmoe nuts. Instead of s'mores,
[01:03:10] Rich Chelson:
schmoe nuts. God.
[01:03:13] Unknown:
Schmoe nuts. Oh, shit. That that's a good one, dude. Oh, lord.
[01:03:23] Rich Chelson:
Show show title.
[01:03:26] Unknown:
Oh, shit. How do you spell that?
[01:03:29] Rich Chelson:
S m o Schmo is s c h m o e.
[01:03:35] Duuude-Ron :
Oh, you gotta be fucking original now. Yeah. You're right. S c h m o yeah. Okay.
[01:03:43] Unknown:
Schmo nuts. Schmo nuts.
[01:03:46] Duuude-Ron :
Schmo nuts.
[01:03:49] Unknown:
Damn. That's crazy.
[01:03:51] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. But that would be my fucking luck, though, that, you know, everything everything else in my life is a dumpster fire or forest fire, but I can't just have a a nice campfire in front of my house. You know, behind my house, they'd probably think the house is on fucking fire. But I told one of my neighbors, if you ever see smoke, you better fucking investigate it first. It's not gonna be a fucking house. It's gonna be Right. Fire pit. You know? Yeah. You know? Look over the fence if you see flames. Right. And now if they're coming out of the roof, you know, please call me and let me know. I would really appreciate that. Because then I would not be roasting shmoe nuts.
You know, I'd be probably be roasting something else.
[01:04:47] Unknown:
Yeah. I know. I just,
[01:04:49] Rich Chelson:
yeah, some people, they just they just flip over that shit. Yeah. Oh, essentially, it ties real nicely into what we were talking about because we started off talking about how kids need to be able to run wild, be free range kids again.
[01:05:04] Unknown:
And then and then we was talking about horse apples and walnut walnut fights, horse apple fights. So what are some what what are some ways,
[01:05:12] Rich Chelson:
original fights that, that you used to have there, Ron? Original what? What type of, some original ways that y'all would have you would have fights with the neighborhood kids?
[01:05:25] Duuude-Ron :
Oh, for I tell you what. In our let's see. Between let's see. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven houses. So 14 houses. Seven on one side, seven on the other. We had, like, 22 kids on my block. That's just my block. Right. So we would have everybody have their bicycles. So we have bicycle races. We go down. We'd start at the street light, which is right across the street from my house. And, of course, when you had all those bikes lined up, they took the entire
[01:06:09] Rich Chelson:
fucking width of the
[01:06:11] Duuude-Ron :
to tire width of the street. Right? So and we were all within, you know, a grade up, you know
[01:06:20] Rich Chelson:
Grain or two of each other?
[01:06:22] Duuude-Ron :
Yes. Exactly. So you had some that were, you know, younger siblings, etcetera, etcetera. But we all be on the bike, hogging up the fucking road, and we'd haul ass down to down three houses, turn into that driveway, turn out the next house's driveway because we'd be using the sidewalk, turn into the next driveway, and our in front of our property, the sidewalk had tented, making a fucking ramp.
[01:06:56] Rich Chelson:
Oh, okay. So you had an had an elm tree that got a little too close to the surface.
[01:07:00] Duuude-Ron :
No. There was no trees whatsoever. It just tinted. Yeah. So
[01:07:08] Rich Chelson:
because ours was all we our ours had, our sidewalk had a couple of tended up areas, and that was because there was an elm tree planted right there, and the root was just going through just pushing the, the concrete up. That's why I was thinking that.
[01:07:22] Duuude-Ron :
Yep. But and but we didn't have a tree, but it tended anyway. So that was that was our ramp. And then we go out our driveway, go up the street, into the next driveway, out that driveway, and then come hauling back down the street. And that was one lap.
[01:07:46] Rich Chelson:
And y'all did that all day until the mosquito truck come by, and then everyone start falling behind the mosquito truck.
[01:07:53] Duuude-Ron :
You know, we never had mosquito trucks up in Lincoln. Really?
[01:07:58] Rich Chelson:
Yes. Really. Never had a problem. Smell of, a diesel fog was what we they made on ours. They they would just drive up and down, and it was just a, it was a fogger of diesel. Or Right. Well, it may not have been diesel. It may have may have been, oh, what is it? Malathion because that smells a bit like diesel too. But yeah. Right. Either way, we always got in trouble because we were falling behind it.
[01:08:26] Duuude-Ron :
Oh, yeah. That's kinda like, sniffing the, oh, Airplane glue. No. Not airplane glue. Well, yeah, the airplane glue too. Yeah. You're right about that. The, mimeograph,
[01:08:42] Rich Chelson:
not the mimeograph. What's the Yeah. Yeah. Mimeograph. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it's called. The the purple ink off of the mimeograph cover. Yes. And, hell, she got man. That stuff smelled amazing. Yeah. And then it was I couldn't re describe the smell to you. Oh, and that's the I don't think anybody could actually describe it.
[01:09:06] Duuude-Ron :
No. But It was it was its own unique smell. Yeah. And But just Damn. It smelled great. Yeah. Everybody sat there and smelled the paper. As a matter of fact, there was a scene in, Ridgemont. Times of Ridgemont High. Yeah. Yep. Of that right there. So, yeah, that was, you know, the the high factor. So, you know, but, of course, the glue thing and, you know yeah. But okay. So that was one. We had skateboards, and we'd, there was a a different road just right around right around the corner from us that had a really good decline right by our house.
So we're getting skateboards, and we are hauling down that street as far as far as we could go. And if you made made it to the top of the first hill, the next downward part, you'd you'd almost be a mile from the house. So and then skating that, and then the part that really sucked is having to walk all the way back up. All the way back up. Yeah. Yeah. Kinda like, you know, kinda like sledding. It's great going down, but it sucks coming back up. Well, my son
[01:10:42] Rich Chelson:
that remind me. My son when we lived in Hamilton, my son had a had a little friend. Her name is Taylor, and they would they just played just, you know, nonstop in the summer. And, he's about four, whenever, and stuff, whenever we lived there. And where we lived was a, the house rolled down. It went, was actually on the side, kind of the side of a hill. And, I mean, it wasn't like a vertical, but it was it they had a the road went downhill at a pretty good clip and then would cross another another, a, a minor road, and then it would wind up at the, at the Bulldog Stadium, which is where Hamilton, Hamilton's high school played.
Okay. So it wasn't Main Street? No. It wasn't Main Street. Thank god. Because well, you've been to Hamilton. You know how busy Hamilton is.
[01:11:47] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. I drove through it today. Yeah. Okay.
[01:11:51] Rich Chelson:
So but, Main Street have to go 30 fucking miles an hour. Yep. Geez. So if you were to keep going like you're heading down towards Lampasas, alright, and you went down that road, you would see the, you would see a little barbecue smoke, smokehouse joint right across the street from Ace Hart not Ace Hardware, but, True Value Hardware. Okay. I'll have to believe you because I'm not gonna drive that truck around that small ass town. Oh, come on, man. Gee whiz. I'm giving you a good location here. So but, anyhow, right behind right behind that that smoke, that smoke house, that little, smoke shop there is our well, the house we call it the Happy House. We just had so much good so many good times in that house.
But, but anyhow, that's that hill that goes down and over to the, to the stadium is is the one I'm talking about. And so him and his friend, Taylor, I peeked at my I was kinda wondering what they're doing because I wasn't here much. I poked out just in time to see them hop on to that damn the his damn wagon going downhill. I was like, oh my god. And he was just they both were just yeah. I don't know how he didn't wreck. I guess he locked his arms up or something. But, boy, he was just, and I was I was scared to death. There's gonna be a car that come along that, that side road. Oh my god.
They rolled, went through, hit the, hit the curb, dumped themselves out. They all rolled around for a little bit, got up, spit on the boo boos and and, and stuff and started pulling the whack. I was like, got them at if they got back up there, they acted like they're getting ready to do it again. I was like, oh, that looks let's let's not do that. And then then they were like, you fucking party pooper. Well, I'm sure they did it a couple more times. Well, actually, I know they did because, the neighbor lady loved Jayden.
She he was just the greatest thing known to man according to her. And, they would, on during football season, shit. What was her name? Catherine. Catherine's her name. So, anyhow, miss Catherine, would come by, and she would ask ask if, she could take Jaden to the to the ballgame. I was like, yeah. Sure. So what they would do is they would go over to her house, and she had a porch that faced the football field. And they would sit there and have Coke and cookies and watch football game from her house. Oh, there you go.
So yeah. Oh, miss Catherine, she's my, she was a pretty cool gal.
[01:14:46] Duuude-Ron :
Alright.
[01:14:47] Rich Chelson:
But, yeah, she was eleventy back in 02/2002. So
[01:14:52] Duuude-Ron :
Eleventy,
[01:14:52] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Eleventy. She was she was old. So
[01:14:57] Duuude-Ron :
So dirt didn't have shit on her?
[01:14:59] Rich Chelson:
Nope. Nope. Nope. She was around when it was first being thought of. So I think she may even add a hand in in in creating it. Well, that I think she babysit that Jesus wants too.
[01:15:16] Duuude-Ron :
Wouldn't doubt yeah. Wouldn't doubt it.
[01:15:19] Rich Chelson:
Would not doubt it. So what do y'all think of the Gene Hackman thing?
[01:15:25] Duuude-Ron :
Haven't heard shit.
[01:15:27] Rich Chelson:
Me neither. What's up? Well, Gene Hackman died.
[01:15:31] Unknown:
What?
[01:15:32] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. No way. Yep. He died two weeks ago, and they just discovered him yesterday. Oh, no. Yep. No. Him, his wife, and one of their dogs. They have three dogs. Him, his wife, one of the dogs were all dead. What happened? It's not well, what they're thinking is that, and so far, they don't have any idea because they're still just into the entrance, beginning of the investigation. But they're thinking that, from what I was able to pick up from, from daily mail is that there's a chance Gene Hackman because he was found in the in the, the mudroom. His cane was there and, beside him and all that. And they're thinking he must have tripped, fell, and hit his head or and and something and died from the from that injury or something. Right. And the only thing the they're thinking that his wife saw that he had died, and in her distraughtness, took, took some pills because she has a bunch of they said that there was several pills strung about, in, in, the other room.
[01:16:58] Unknown:
Yeah. That I it's
[01:17:00] Rich Chelson:
Maybe. Yes. Possibly. But at the same time, that still doesn't explain the dog. Yeah. Exactly. But they're saying it wasn't, it wasn't, foul play. So it wasn't murder suicide. And why would they kill one dog, but not all three dogs? So there's just it's like, holy smokes. But, yeah, they found him that he was been they had been dead for about two weeks and partially mummified because, well, they live in Santa Fe, so it's cool, dry air. Right. Right. So they partially had started to decompose, but was also partially mummified. So Right. But still still the thing is okay.
[01:17:43] Unknown:
I think I I mean, just just by what you said and yeah. I looked it up here, and it's it says scattered pills found near body of Jean Hackman's wife. You know, something tells me that, no. There's there's foul play involved. They're just because the dog dying too? No.
[01:18:04] Rich Chelson:
Well, they're also thinking maybe there was a carbon monoxide leak or something like that. And so
[01:18:12] Unknown:
But okay. That well, now
[01:18:16] Rich Chelson:
I don't know. But the other two dogs somehow were still alive when they were when everybody was discovered.
[01:18:23] Unknown:
Yeah. See there. So that would because because carbon monoxide is not held to one area. It spreads. So, yeah, I don't know. I just I just I just I don't agree with their assessment as of right now.
[01:18:43] Duuude-Ron :
Well and I'm sure once they get done with the autopsy, it's gonna show pretty much everything.
[01:18:49] Rich Chelson:
Well, yes. Oh my gosh. Really? US, on, Daily Mail, they're breaking. Pam Bondi releases the Jeffrey Epstein files and long waited document dump after warning the files are pretty sick.
[01:19:06] Unknown:
Really?
[01:19:07] Rich Chelson:
Yep. Pam Bondi began the, phase one of the releasing the long awaited mysterious files related to the pedophile financier of Jeffrey Epstein, Thursday evening. The first wave of documents posted by on the justice department's website have largely, been circulating in public domain for years and so far yet to include any new bombshells. What we're, what we're gonna see hopefully tomorrow is a lot of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot of information, Bobby told, Fox on Wednesday. But, it's pretty sick, that, what that man did along with his codefendant, referring to, Ghislaine Maxwell.
The the officially declassified material, it which I'm still wondering, why did they classify it?
[01:19:54] Unknown:
Because it has high ranking officials in the government probably on that list.
[01:20:00] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. Exactly. They're they were just keeping the name because it was classified, just keeping the names of the people of the billionaires and millionaires and high ranking politicians Right. That was frequency that location.
[01:20:19] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Well, it says officially declassified material includes flight logs, Epstein's infamous contact book, an evidence list, and a masseuse list. Contact list, which is previously circulated in various forms, shows redacted information as dozens of Hollywood and political and fashion elites. Names of who are in the address book include Mick Jagger, Michael Jackson, Alec Baldwin, Ethel Kennedy, Andrew Cuomo, no no. Naomi Campbell, and I can say the name right, Courtney Love, both, Weinsteins, Harvey and Bob, the late senator Ted Kennedy, Ralph Fiennes, Alan Dershowitz. Ralph Fiennes. No. Not, not Snape. Baltimore.
So yeah. Let's see. Dustin Hoffman, Donald Trump's late first wife, Ivana, and daughter Ivanka Trump were included among the contacts. President himself is not listed.
[01:21:14] Unknown:
Right. But see, that's the thing, though. I mean, did now what and during all of this, so, did the people that, went out to this island, you know, could they have done something else other than what is thought to have believed to have been done on this island?
[01:21:45] Rich Chelson:
I think I think so. Especially, like, with Ivanka and all them. I think they I think they I don't think anything nefarious actually happened. I think you if there was somebody he wanted to, wanted to extort from, I bet because everybody says that his, his compounds had were the rooms in the compound. All of them were were mic'd and and had cameras covering every square inch.
[01:22:11] Unknown:
Oh, wow. Okay. I mean yeah. Because, you know, that's the thing. You know, some people might have gone out there for, you know, who knows what. But but like I said, it it it wasn't nefarious.
[01:22:26] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. There's no. Epstein may have been having a gala, and he he invited x x x y y and z, but, you know, they were there for the gala and left. Right. So who knows?
[01:22:47] Unknown:
Yeah. And, I mean, we might find out. We might not.
[01:22:53] Rich Chelson:
You
[01:22:57] Duuude-Ron :
know, they need to fucking start spending a little bit of time fucking chopping up the fucking Bidens. I'm sure that I'm sure that they will get there shortly.
[01:23:14] Unknown:
You know what, dude? In the end, yeah, they can do that all they want, but, in the end, they'll just get them on tax evasion.
[01:23:25] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. That's fine. Oh, okay. And that's fine. How did, Al Capone go to prison? It wasn't for bootlegging. It wasn't for murder. It wasn't for extorting. It wasn't for racketeering or the gambling.
[01:23:42] Unknown:
I know. It was tax evasion.
[01:23:44] Duuude-Ron :
Tax evasion. Yep. So that's fine. Put them all in fucking prison for tax evasion.
[01:23:51] Unknown:
Right. That's fine. That's, like, five years. You know? That that's like that's like Hunter Biden. He got, sent to prison for tax evasion.
[01:24:04] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. And then daddy fucking hardened him.
[01:24:08] Unknown:
Well yeah. But see, that's the thing now. You know, when when when you got, you know, people that have done some really bad stuff, and it can be proven in a court of law. And it and it gets pled down to tax evasion, which is, yes, still a felony. It's blah blah blah. But for for rich people, it doesn't matter. Okay. But what about the regular people like you and me? We're not gonna get it for tax evasion.
[01:24:47] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. Of course not. We're not part of the politically elite.
[01:24:52] Unknown:
Right.
[01:24:55] Duuude-Ron :
My I know. My yeah. No. I would not I cannot be a politician because I'm not politically correct or incorrect or any part thereof. You know, I just couldn't be a politician.
[01:25:14] Unknown:
Right.
[01:25:18] Duuude-Ron :
I don't wear suits very well. Shit. I don't even have a fucking suit.
[01:25:24] Unknown:
Well, why not, dude?
[01:25:26] Duuude-Ron :
Because I'm gonna be buried in shorts and a fucking T shirt. No. I'm not even Of course. No. I'm not gonna be buried. I'm gonna be cremated. So what the hell is the difference of what the fuck I got on anyway? Well, you know It's gonna be a pile of ash.
[01:25:44] Unknown:
Yeah. But the thing is, there's a showing, so people have to come see you. So
[01:25:50] Duuude-Ron :
I'm not having a showing.
[01:25:52] Rich Chelson:
But you ain't gonna have a say in the matter, dude.
[01:25:55] Unknown:
Well, you ain't right. I
[01:25:57] Rich Chelson:
you're you're right. I okay. You're right. I I'm not gonna have a say in want one, but we're gonna say screw you. You're having one.
[01:26:05] Unknown:
And we're putting socks on you while you wear your Crocs. And and we will make That We will we will make sure to put the fur line cracks on you too.
[01:26:22] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. With socks, are you gonna put a cigarette in my mouth and fucking, my sunglasses on and look like, what was it, Bernie? What was that movie? Yeah.
[01:26:36] Unknown:
Why not, dude? Hell, yeah. Yeah.
[01:26:41] Duuude-Ron :
No. I don't you know what? I don't give a shit. I will be dead. Deadder than dead. You know what? You can go throw my ass out in the fucking ocean and let the sharks have me for all I care.
[01:26:56] Unknown:
Right. You ain't gonna know it.
[01:26:59] Duuude-Ron :
I'm not gonna know it. It ain't gonna hurt me none anymore.
[01:27:03] Unknown:
And we'll just chunk you out there and and and cast a line by you at dinner.
[01:27:12] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. And put my Crocs on with socks. That would just that would just be fucking rude. Absolutely fucking rude. You don't ever wear socks with Crocs. Although, I have seen people with socks and Crocs. Now granted, you know, most of them are gonna be in the medical field, obviously. You know? Right. That won't you know? But to be wearing shorts and have socks on with Crocs, man, that's just fucking ugly. Done. Not to mention my fucking legs being as wide as they are. Oh, well. I wouldn't give a fuck anyway.
[01:27:55] Unknown:
Yeah. Say that see, that's why I don't I don't I don't care where or what I look like when I die because it's not gonna matter.
[01:28:07] Duuude-Ron :
No. You're right.
[01:28:10] Unknown:
You know? Good. So
[01:28:13] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. I I'm fucking ugly now. I'll be just as ugly when I'm dead. So if you wanna fucking, you know, dress me in a clown costume and prop me in the corner as a fucking party favor,
[01:28:28] Rich Chelson:
you know what?
[01:28:29] Duuude-Ron :
Y'all have fun. I'll just be looking down from head and going, yeah. I'll be coming by later and fucking just give them a nice de nozo slap, and they'll just wonder what the fuck happened when they got smacked in the back of the head and there's nobody there. Just know, just know, it will be me. Okay. And I'll just and I'll just fucking be cracking up like a motherfucker.
[01:29:04] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:29:07] Duuude-Ron :
Because, one, you ain't gonna see it coming. And, two, you ain't gonna see anybody anyway, but it'll happen. Okay. If you say so. And you'll be the first one, Rich. I will make it my I will make it my mission for you to be first. And then Patrick and then Patrick would be second. Right. Just just because I can.
[01:29:37] Unknown:
Just because that's how the dude is.
[01:29:40] Duuude-Ron :
That's right. Now go knock knock the shit out of some other people that I, you know, don't exactly like, which is most people.
[01:29:53] Unknown:
You'd be busy.
[01:29:55] Duuude-Ron :
I'd be a busy individual. But you know what? I got eternity to do it.
[01:30:01] Unknown:
Right. But but you see, that's the thing. If you're up in heaven, why would you wanna come back down here and do that when when heaven is, like, you know, the life, man?
[01:30:14] Duuude-Ron :
You're absolutely right because I can.
[01:30:17] Unknown:
Well, no. I I know that. So so okay. You go to heaven, be driving your Jeep around on some just bitchin' ass trails, and you're gonna stop that just to come down and give me a de nozzo slap? Yeah. Dude.
[01:30:38] Duuude-Ron :
Yes. I would. Just because you would never see it coming.
[01:30:45] Unknown:
I'm sorry. But, yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't be I wouldn't be giving up on a on a, like, a like a bomb trail just to go smack somebody upside the head. I I I couldn't. I wouldn't.
[01:31:00] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. You would.
[01:31:02] Unknown:
No? I could. No? Yeah. I'd be having too much fun, dude.
[01:31:09] Duuude-Ron :
You know what? I just wanna sit on cloud seven. It doesn't have to be cloud nine. Just sit on cloud seven and just watch the world go by. And for that matter, the fucking rest of the, you know, galaxies and all that other stuff, and actually find out if there are any aliens. Because you know aliens. Because because you know there
[01:31:42] Unknown:
are. Well, it's You can't tell I can't argue the point.
[01:31:46] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. Because okay. We have our solar system, and our solar system is one of tens of thousands in our galaxy, the Milky Way, which is one one galaxy out of billions of galaxies. And you can't I yeah. There is some type of life form someplace in the galaxy other than Earth.
[01:32:20] Unknown:
You see? There's no proof of it, so it's so it's kinda it's it's kinda hard to say if if there is or not. I mean, that's just my opinion.
[01:32:33] Duuude-Ron :
You're right. I I will agree with you. You know? Because how many light years is the Milky Way galaxy? Yeah. Why? I think it's, like, a thousand light years wide.
[01:32:53] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:32:54] Duuude-Ron :
That's a lot. That's a big fucking big amount of space.
[01:33:01] Unknown:
Well, yes. It is. But that's the thing. Yeah. I mean, say I don't know. There's there's never been no proof of of other life forms.
[01:33:15] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. You're right.
[01:33:16] Unknown:
You know? So that's why that's why it's kinda
[01:33:23] Duuude-Ron :
And you know what? Me be me having the chance to be an astronaut and go out of the atmosphere of Earth, the chances in that are, like, point 50 zeros one.
[01:33:45] Unknown:
Right.
[01:33:46] Duuude-Ron :
So, basically, it ain't ever gonna fucking happen.
[01:33:51] Unknown:
Well, no. You don't know that because, I think it's for what? $200,000? You could, you know, book a ride on the SpaceX and, you know, go out into space.
[01:34:06] Duuude-Ron :
Well yeah. Okay. So let me just go into the dresser drawer over here and look at my spare change and grab $200,000. Yeah.
[01:34:17] Unknown:
Hey. You never know, dude. And it might get cheaper. The more times they go up, it might get cheaper.
[01:34:27] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah.
[01:34:28] Unknown:
You know? Yep.
[01:34:31] Duuude-Ron :
But, okay, I can get on an airplane and be at, what, 36,000 feet and you're you know? Okay.
[01:34:38] Unknown:
That's still not a space level, dude.
[01:34:41] Duuude-Ron :
You're right. It ain't space level. Let's see. I'll give you that. But I'm also not gonna free fall from that level either.
[01:34:52] Unknown:
Well, I wouldn't think you would.
[01:34:55] Duuude-Ron :
Well, there was a guy that, took a balloon, and it was at and you can fact check me and, yeah, I'm sure I'm wrong, right at the edge of space and jumped out to do a free fall.
[01:35:17] Unknown:
Yeah. I watched it. Oh, did you? Yes. I watched it.
[01:35:22] Duuude-Ron :
And he free fall for how long?
[01:35:25] Unknown:
Oh god. Minutes. Like Yeah. A long, long, long time.
[01:35:32] Duuude-Ron :
Long time.
[01:35:33] Unknown:
Yeah. And that that was just, couple years ago.
[01:35:37] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Mhmm.
[01:35:38] Unknown:
Yeah. No. Yeah. I watched it. I I I watched him go up and everything like that. It was fucking crazy. And watched him open the door because, yeah, he was he was on the verge of of our atmosphere in in space. You know? And, yeah, he just went whoosh. And, I mean, that's not something I would ever do.
[01:36:04] Duuude-Ron :
No. Now static line jump is different compared to a free fall jump.
[01:36:12] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Definitely.
[01:36:15] Duuude-Ron :
I don't know if I'll ever do a free fall jump.
[01:36:19] Unknown:
I'm not gonna do a free fall or a static line jump. Just I ain't gonna jump. Fat boy don't jump. Fat boy eats.
[01:36:29] Duuude-Ron :
So you would never do a tandem?
[01:36:31] Unknown:
No. Okay. No. There is no reason for me to jump out of a perfectly good airplane. Now if the airplane was crashing, yes, I probably would jump. I mean, I would be animal food because I'd be smooshed on the ground, but, you know, hey. At least I had a chance of living. I had a fifty fifty chance of making it.
[01:37:02] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah.
[01:37:03] Unknown:
If the plane ain't crashing, no. I'm not doing it.
[01:37:08] Duuude-Ron :
Well, what if it's going over your favorite barbecue place?
[01:37:12] Unknown:
No. I can drive. Ah, you said lane lens.
[01:37:17] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. You see no. You said fat boys gotta eat. So, you know, as you're flying over, you could free fall and fucking do a tandem to your favorite barbecue spot.
[01:37:27] Unknown:
No. No. No. No. I'll just find another barbecue joint.
[01:37:32] Duuude-Ron :
I mean, come on. But it's not but it's not your favorite one, though. Damn it.
[01:37:36] Unknown:
How do how do you know how do you know that that new one I find will not become my favorite one?
[01:37:46] Duuude-Ron :
Because I said it wouldn't. We've already we've already established, damn it, that you have your favorite barbecue joint, and you would not do a tandem jump free fall to get that barbecue. You're a pussy.
[01:38:04] Unknown:
Yes. I am. Yes. I am. I got
[01:38:09] Duuude-Ron :
Fat boy's gonna eat. Yeah. You can have some fucking barbecue.
[01:38:13] Unknown:
Yeah. I will when I land with both feet firmly planted on the ground and and and You can do that with a you can do that with a tandem
[01:38:24] Duuude-Ron :
jump. Your feet will be eventually planted firmly on the ground.
[01:38:30] Unknown:
No. No. No. You don't get it. My feet has to be firmly planted on the ground at all times. I cannot I do not like it when my feet are not planted on the ground. I'm not scared of heights. Okay? And I will fly, but you see, I've got the floor of the airplane that my feet can stand on. I do not dangle my feet. I'm weird. I know. But I do not dangle my feet.
[01:39:03] Duuude-Ron :
Oh, okay.
[01:39:05] Unknown:
I'm just I'm not a dangler, man.
[01:39:09] Duuude-Ron :
You know what? Being a dangler is fun. Yeah.
[01:39:13] Unknown:
Okay. I mean, I mean
[01:39:17] Duuude-Ron :
especially if you're on the tailgate of a Chinook.
[01:39:22] Unknown:
Now that you see, I have not got to try that, and and I would like to try that just to see if it would be fun, but, you know, I don't know.
[01:39:36] Duuude-Ron :
You know? And I've never gotten to do that on a Chinook or a c one thirty or anything like that. But you know what? That would be fucking awesome to, you know, just fly around with the ramp down, sitting there, just looking around, and that would be a ball.
[01:39:55] Unknown:
You see? See, I don't know. Maybe.
[01:39:59] Duuude-Ron :
Probably. Dang dangling your feet down. You know? Now, of course, they're not gonna dangle very much. They're gonna be almost fucking straight out in front of you.
[01:40:10] Unknown:
Unless you're sitting right on the edge.
[01:40:13] Duuude-Ron :
Well, if you're sitting right on the edge and you put your feet down, that c one thirty is doing a 30 miles an hour. Your feet ain't gonna just be dangling. They're gonna be wind socks.
[01:40:27] Unknown:
Are you sure? Have you ever tried it?
[01:40:31] Duuude-Ron :
No. Unfortunately, I never have gotten that chance. I've seen a video, though, of a crew member on a CH 47 that the pilots dropped altitude just so that crew member had negative like, he was floating, had negative air.
[01:41:00] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:41:01] Duuude-Ron :
And then when that stopped and he hit the ramp, luckily, he had his, his harness on and attached to that helicopter because he fell off the ramp. Oh, dang.
[01:41:16] Unknown:
Yeah. I would probably poop myself.
[01:41:22] Duuude-Ron :
You think? Probably would. That that would definitely be a huge brown stain amongst the camouflage. Oh, hell yeah. I would be pooping myself too, without a doubt, which comes into ding ding ding ding ding ding. The what what was I doing every week? Damn. I just fucked that one up. The the tip of the week. Ding, ding, ding. Tip of the week. Okay. We're gonna do it fifteen minutes early. Alright. Good. Yeah. So, yeah, we'll just do it go ahead and do it fifteen minutes early because it's all in the aspect of, you know, that that situation with that kid falling off the ramp.
So instead of having a poop stain, here's the tip. If you have hemorrhoids, it's best that you do not wear thong underwear or and or panties.
[01:42:29] Rich Chelson:
Well, if you're a guy, it's probably best that you don't wear panties at all anyhow. Well, the oh Yeah.
[01:42:37] Duuude-Ron :
Hey. Do you know and that's that's up to the individual, but the point the tip of the day is is that you have hemorrhoids. Do not wear thongs.
[01:42:50] Unknown:
I kinda like that. That is awesome. I will I will I will make sure to remember that. And pray to God I never get hemorrhoid.
[01:43:03] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. Yeah. I've never had them myself, but, you know, I've heard that they are they suck. Oh, I've I've got to sit on that pillow. Gotta sit on that nice little pillow.
[01:43:17] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Not ever had them myself either, but I have heard that if you do ever have them, get yourself a, a a, a bottle of witch hazel
[01:43:28] Unknown:
k.
[01:43:29] Rich Chelson:
And a, like, paper towel or something and get that, wet, wet with the witch hazel, smack it up there right next to it, and go ahead and just leave it there. That'll actually relieve that pain, discomfort, and everything else and actually, for you. So if if you're suffering it and you don't wanna go off and buy buy preparation h, witch hazel will do it too.
[01:43:59] Unknown:
Witch hazel. Okay. I didn't know that.
[01:44:06] Duuude-Ron :
Well, let's see. I've Go ahead, dude. And if and if I have hemorrhoids, you think I'm gonna walk around looking for witch hail witch hazel, when I know where I can find preparation h?
[01:44:22] Rich Chelson:
Witch hazel's just as easy to find as preparation h. It's usually found in the same aisle.
[01:44:27] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh, okay. On the same shelf. Check Walmart.
[01:44:31] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Well, Walmart, you'll find it you'll find witch hazel on the same area that you'll find peroxide and rubbing alcohol.
[01:44:39] Unknown:
Well, good. All righty then. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Witch dude. Dude. Witch hazel is Witch hazel is good for,
[01:44:47] Rich Chelson:
I've known known women who use witch hazel to actually, cause the, the hair on their legs to stand up better so that they actually can they can actually shave it better. No shit. No shit.
[01:45:02] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Wow. Dude, witch hazel is good for everything.
[01:45:06] Rich Chelson:
I've never used it myself, but yeah. I mean, there's people who claim there's, use for it everywhere.
[01:45:12] Unknown:
Yeah. We've yeah. I was raised, our our house. My, grandma and grandpa, my our house, we always had witch hazel. And, yeah, it was used quite a bit.
[01:45:25] Rich Chelson:
And I can't ever fit go off and hear that word, witch hazel, without thinking of the witch, hazel, off of, off of Looney Tunes.
[01:45:36] Duuude-Ron :
I was gonna say that's yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.
[01:45:41] Rich Chelson:
So your clicker heels and then take off. The bobby pins are still floating in the air?
[01:45:46] Unknown:
Yep. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[01:45:49] Rich Chelson:
Oh, man.
[01:45:55] Duuude-Ron :
My god. You sure you weren't you sure you weren't the voice for witch hazel? Oh, no. No. I'm nowhere close to the right voice. Oh, okay. I thought you did a pretty good job there.
[01:46:08] Unknown:
I was gonna say that was that was that was not too bad.
[01:46:12] Rich Chelson:
So got a question for y'all. This is something that kicked in today, and it it I I'm gonna let you know. We're fixing to have a we're fixing to have a bitch session. Alright? Okay. So just prepare yourself, draw up, get grab your coffee and shit because I'm fix I'm fixing to just let both both barrels go. Okay. Alright. Now I understand. My business that I'm trying to get going, relaxed mail Mhmm. Is going to involve some Internet market.
[01:46:47] Unknown:
Mhmm. But
[01:46:48] Rich Chelson:
I this week, I found a a a Internet marketer that was selling social media market. How does how to do social media market. And when Monday, it's just kinda typical, hey. This is, what we're doing. This is what we're gonna do, you know, and a little sale, at the end. Just a little one of and if you wanna have the VIP experience, you can do so by spending, for, you could get do our, join into the VIP experience for $27. I was like, wow. $27? Is that really it? And go and look it up and see what it's it's about. $27. Yeah. For and you get, a couple extra little, in the more because the she does most of her classes in the afternoon around 04:00. And then at 11:00 in the morning, you've got an extra little class that you can go to. I was like, sweet. Awesome. That would be that'd be great.
K. So did the first day. I missed the second day because I was up in Wichita, Kansas, doing a delivery. And so by the time everything got unloaded and all that, it was our it was just about done. I I caught was able to catch, like, the last thirty minutes of the of the, the the class that's the that, this lady was doing. And Did they have a replay? Oh, yeah. Yeah. You got a replay. You can go through, redo watch the replay, and I did. I've I've go through and rewatch it. And it was not much about social media. It was more about the mindset of social media and how you get get doing this, and it was very she's her her presentation is very but over the top.
Okay. And so there's a lot of she I don't know. I get it. She wants to be come across as high energy and all that, but it's the, hey. Alright. Hey. All my besties. Yada yada yada yada. Alright. Alright, buddy. I want you to put your hand up to your camera because we're gonna do a virtual high five. And, oh, yeah. There we go. And, you know, just all this whole this whole display. Oh, yeah. And I mean, the whole time, I'm just like, oh god. Help me. Oh god. What I get my happy ass into? And so I I thought, you know, alright. She's doing it for twenty seven dollars, which most of the time when you have a VIP experience, most of the place most of the, the Internet marketers that do their Facebook, week long workshop things they're doing of whatever it is they're wanting you to do, they'll have a VIP experience, but it's usually a hundred bucks.
I was like, oh, that's sweet. You know? So I did the I I went ahead and I dug up an extra $30 that I really didn't have, but wanted to go on. It's like, alright. Let's see what we can do here. Let's let's try this extra deal because it's supposed to have a little little mastermind group. Well Right. My definition of mastermind group, I forget that my definition of mastermind group is not what Internet marketers deem as mastermind groups. Right. It's not even group coaching in my definition. Right. Because we went to two of them, and it is somebody else, one of the other one of the other members of her team, basically, reviewing what we talked about the day before.
Uh-huh. And I'm like, okay. The first day, I was like, okay. Okay. This this this isn't good. They got a little into it, a little little deeper, if anything, but not much deep. I was like, okay. Okay. Tuesday Tuesday morning, we had the had that, meeting. It was a review of Monday nights, then we had Tuesday. Wednesday, we had review again. Today, again, had another review, and then we had tonight. But what pisses me off is that we're supposed to still have one more one more, class.
[01:51:11] Unknown:
K.
[01:51:12] Rich Chelson:
Alright. But she did her freaking sell today.
[01:51:19] Unknown:
Oh, wow.
[01:51:20] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. I'm, like, going what's the what are we gonna do tomorrow then? Are we you're just gonna get sold to again? Right. And I mean, at first, I was Probably sold to again. Yeah. And I mean, she did give some good information because one of and the big takeaway at the out of any of it was because she was supposed to be helping us with, alright, how we're gonna get your your, how do we take your your, the basics of of social media marketing? It's like, alright. Well, I suck at being social media marketing. Maybe I can find maybe she will teach me how to get people to actually interact with my shit more.
Because I don't get I don't get many reactions, any type of many responses at all from from my, from my stuff. I Right. Basically, am the epitome, or at least this is how I view myself. I know it's not actually true, but it it it is the epitome of it all is I feel like I'm still literally screaming into the void.
[01:52:23] Unknown:
Okay. Okay.
[01:52:24] Rich Chelson:
But I have proof that that's that's not entirely correct. Because last week, I just the way everything way the jobs and stuff fell, I was not able to do my my TikTok reel video that I normally do. I got, like no. Actually, I didn't get any of them done last week. So there last week was basically nothing all week long. And I could see on my on my, analytics, Google Analytics, WordPress, stats, and all that, that there was something happening. Because all of a sudden, my views I was I've done a week and a half, damn near two weeks of actually having over a hundred actual people hit by sight.
[01:53:17] Unknown:
Oh, wow.
[01:53:18] Rich Chelson:
And that was I was getting so getting excited about it. I was like, oh, finally. Yes. Awesome. I'm finally getting to the my the lofty goal that I have been that has been eluding me for the past seven years. I want just a hundred people a day for a month straight.
[01:53:38] Unknown:
Right?
[01:53:41] Rich Chelson:
Well, this last week came along, and all of a sudden, 88 was the lowest. That's still really fucking good. I'm I'm not gonna sneeze that. Right. But 88 was the lowest. Most of the time, it was 93, 90 eight, 90 five, 90 six. You know, it just kinda bobbed around there for that for that week and through Saturday. Even whenever I threw up my post for my from the blog and the podcast, it raised up, and those were the ones that got up to, like, 99, 90 eight. I was like, what the hell happened? I I guess, the, I guess Google changed their algorithms again or whatever. I was that's what I was saying.
Right. And then this week, things fell it fell back in line where I could actually do my my real videos.
[01:54:32] Unknown:
Right. Right.
[01:54:34] Rich Chelson:
Back up there. I've had at see here. Tell you. WordPress wise, see. This is Thursday. Wednesday's Monday. So starting the twenty third. So that would've been see, man let's see. Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Yeah. So starting Sunday, I had a 13 actual visits. A hundred and twenty two two views, but a 13 visits.
[01:55:16] Unknown:
Mhmm. Alright.
[01:55:18] Rich Chelson:
A hundred nine visitors on Monday, which is typical. A 27 views again. A 20 visitors, a 52 views, a 57 views with a 12 visitors. And today, I've got a 32 views, 95 visitors. Not midnight hadn't hit yet, so I'll I'll hit the I'll get the last five before before midnight comes on.
[01:55:44] Unknown:
Right.
[01:55:45] Rich Chelson:
Okay. So somebody so my video I I seriously believe my videos are are having an impact. Right. Now I don't know if it's coming from Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Instagram, Mastodon, where? You know, exactly where. Right. But it's coming from somewhere. It's coming from somewhere. And so what I've done on Monday, I actually went ahead and went through all my, all my video or not my videos, but all of my different, social media sites. And where I have my link to my website, I went ahead and added a UTM parameter. So I have, medium. I think medium is social media. Source is, you know, Facebook or Twitter or, or, YouTube or whatever. Alright?
So that I can start getting analytics on there and and stuff. So I'm not I haven't I haven't gone through yet to to do a deep dive in the analytics yet to see if I can really tell where everything's coming from. But at the same time, looking looking what, and seeing what, what comes up and seeing if I can tell who's, you know, where where, where those most the majority of those hits are coming from. Because when you have the UTM parameters, at least when our even if somebody comes through and and has a some type of of of identity cleansing, you know, software, most of the time, from what I understand, could be wrong. But most of the time, you will at least it'll at least pass the UTM parameters onto, onto Google Analytics.
K. So so we'll find, find out, you know, who's who's doing what, when, where, and how instead of having a whole bunch of referrals from, you know, Google and and and Bing and Yahoo or whatever. Because that's usually the ones that are I get the referrals from are from this different search engines.
[01:58:12] Unknown:
Right.
[01:58:13] Rich Chelson:
With the occasional about I usually so far, I'm getting around two QR code hits a month, which is cool. I I think that's awesome. So my my QR code stickers that I stick out in the wild are are working. So but, anyhow, just the fact but what really irritates me is the fact that this lady, we still have at least one pay one day left. And today, she made it sound like what our next step was, alright. We've got we we we got our our ratio down. It's you wanna do three just normal posts before you do one ask. Alright? So it's basically like, Gary Vaynerchuk's book. Jab, jab, jab, right hook. Ask, provide, provide, provide, then ask.
Right. Still the same. She's still using that same ratio of three do three just regular posts that provide value. Don't ask for anything before you do one ask.
[01:59:16] Unknown:
Right.
[01:59:18] Rich Chelson:
So it got me to think it's like, alright. Sweet. We can I can do four video I could do or not four videos? I could do one video a day and then two other, two other posts, that provide value, maybe a quote, maybe, you know, something along those lines. And then one of them could be, you know, a an ask of join my join my my newsletter or whatever. So I could do my three to, three post to one to one ad. Right. Right. Alright. Excited about that. Went, did a whole did a several other things. The other the other stuff that you really talked about, what just okay. Yeah. It's it's feel good, good stuff, yada yada yada. Not really all that useful because she was talking about, you know, the demographics of of their swings more this one here swings more man, while Pinterest is more women. You gotta you gotta she would kinda go through some of the demographics, which okay. Some people may find that important, find that interesting, whatever.
90% of all social like, most social media is damn near split down the middle, of half man, half woman. Okay. So got through that, went through, and we kinda talked a little bit more about, about how to how to get yourself, aligned and all for yesterday. And the I thought today, alright. So we're going to find out, you know, how to apply, like, you know, hashtags or, you know, gets get finally start getting this is gonna be the day of the, of the the, the gold nugget. This is where she's gonna provide her one really good gold nugget.
[02:01:06] Unknown:
Right.
[02:01:07] Rich Chelson:
Because Friday is gonna be the ass. She's gonna sell. I'm okay. I'm prepared for that. No. She set it up. Thought it made it sound like that's where we were going. We're fixing to get ourselves. No. She dives into an hour and a half freaking spiel about her $12,000 academy. And she's like, but you don't have to pay. If you pay it all at once, you get this and this and this, and we got all sorts of presents for you. We got lots and lots of presents, and it's all really great stuff. And you get this, and we give you an official headshot and, session, and we get a professional photographer and yada yada yada yada. If you wanted to make, four easy payments of, four or of $3,000 and something odd cents, you could do that, and you're gonna get all these types of presents. And, oh, they are just so great. If you wanna do monthly, which is a thousand dollars and something odd cents, blah blah blah blah, then you could do that too. And I'm going, you didn't pay attention to any of the breakout sessions.
I could guarantee you because, one, there was because each each time they had a breakout session, it one, she would give you, like, five minutes. There'd be five people in there, and we're supposed to, you know, kind of talk about whatever the topic was that we were supposed to do. One person got to talk. And by the time they got wrapped up, it's, somebody else was starting to talk. All of a sudden, alright. Mhmm. We'd all leave and and be someone be in mid sentence and be cut off, and we'd all go right back into the main main room.
[02:02:52] Unknown:
Right.
[02:02:54] Rich Chelson:
And but the people that were the the women I was I think I was the only guy. There might have been one other guy in the group, but I was the only guy. And most of these women are 65 well, no. They're probably about forty to seventy.
[02:03:14] Unknown:
Okay. Alright?
[02:03:16] Rich Chelson:
The forty to sixty five didn't didn't strike me as sister birth better than you. Alright? Okay. They were struggling. Right. Alright. Maybe they were they, you know, they were they were they were my type of people. Right. You know? It's like $27. Like, You know? That's that's eating in my coffee coffee, fun, but, you know? Okay. Yeah. I'll I'll get I'll do that. Maybe I will get some extra I'll get some extra value because she made it sound like we're getting extra value. I have not gotten any extra fucking value. Not that there's gonna be much value for $27,
[02:04:04] Unknown:
but Well, right.
[02:04:06] Rich Chelson:
But just something. Some type of golden egg that's just, you know Right. Right. Right. The the yolk of the golden egg is still a bit on the runny side, but that's okay.
[02:04:17] Unknown:
What I'm trying to say though, it sounds like you really haven't gotten anything for the money you have spent.
[02:04:23] Rich Chelson:
No. I haven't. And then she turns around, like I said, today, and it just and I mean, granted, she did a great job on the sell because, man, it took me thirty minutes to finally realize, oh, wait a minute. We're being sold to. She is doing her actual ass on a fucking Thursday afternoon. Not Friday afternoon, but Thursday. And just the fact that it sunk into me that she was being being almost that fucking greedy, if there's a way to say it. And I maybe it's just my limiting thoughts, maybe it's my limiting beliefs that she's like is like, you didn't provide any value before you asked. It's like you asking me to go to bed with you without ever even taking me out for a drink. Come on.
And it's like, wait. But at the same time and I got and I was I was hot there for a bit. I mean, I didn't even finish. I still had thirty minutes left on the on the pitch, and I I left. And I left, and I was like, no. Maybe maybe I'm maybe I'm I'm reading this wrong. I went back in just in time to see, and you could get all this and more for $12,000. I was like, fuck you.
[02:05:42] Unknown:
Right.
[02:05:44] Rich Chelson:
$12,000. You do not know these women that you're you that are in this class. There may be three or four of them that can, afford it. There's a 50 odd people that were in this that are in the class every, each day. A hundred and something odd folks every day every time. Maybe 10 coulda swung that $12,000 and, yeah, it woulda smarted. The rest of them, I think if they paid that $12,000, they're going they're they're having to talk to their bank about, well, this is why the house payment's not going through for a little while.
[02:06:24] Unknown:
Right.
[02:06:26] Rich Chelson:
And, I mean, if that's what they wanted to do, that's that's up to them. That was their choice. But it's just $12,000. It's like no. Yeah. And if anything, though, that told me something gave me a really good insight to something as to point number. I start doing my workshops. $127, acceptable price. I kinda like that. $47, you could swing that. Right. Alright. You're not gonna get you're not it's not a whole lot. You're and it's and it's small enough that it actually I was, there for a moment, I was, like, and I ought to ask her for my damn money back. And I was, like, that's $27. Who cares? It's, it's enough that even I was just like, okay. It's $27.
Alright. Take it. I'm gonna chalk it up as a lesson learned.
[02:07:19] Unknown:
Right.
[02:07:21] Rich Chelson:
But make sure that I apply, one, enough value for each day. And that at the end of the day, instead of a q and a, it's a coaching session that I would end up doing. Right. And I would be there not just for okay. Well, we're gonna be doing this coaching set. We're gonna do the little q and a. We've got ten minutes left in our day, so we're just gonna stuff in and see how many questions we get. Now I think what I'm going to do, and I'm gonna make it to where I have to work for it. But until you're done coaching, till I have everybody who is wants to be coached coached, I'm gonna be there. If it's four hours after the after we've said, alright. Well, we're done for the day. We're now doing the q and a. We're gonna do the coaching session. Anybody wants to have coaching, y'all staying around, y'all are coached, or maybe that's that might be the, the the the value for the 27, 27, dollar folks is alright. Now now that we're done here, we're we're gonna do a, all the, the the the VIP experience folks. We're gonna go into the, the VIP room, and we're gonna go ahead and, do some coaching. We're gonna coach till we, till y'all are done wanting to be coached today.
[02:08:48] Unknown:
Right.
[02:08:50] Rich Chelson:
And make it like that to where, yeah, we're going to work towards whatever the the goal is that we wanna work at. And then after that, there's a a a coaching session, and that coaching session is is everybody gets to be coached. It's not just, oh, well, we've got ten minutes left. Yeah. And then also set up the expectation of letting them know. I'm not gonna sell to you. I'm not gonna do or I'm not gonna do the hard sell to you. I'm not gonna do the big sell to you until Friday. And I all I ask is that you stay with us through Friday, hear what the what the what the sale is.
You can stay. You can go. You no. Whatever it is you wanna do, but just listen to that as the value as a means of trading the values for the value. Right. I provided gave you all the there's no super secrets, sauce that I'm going I'm going to hold from. Because that was the other thing she was talking about. And if you wanna know the really good ninja tricks of all of of how I do my do my social media, you could do so in in the, Social Media Academy. I'm like Yeah. For Why are you holding that back?
[02:10:19] Unknown:
Because she has just what everybody does, and it's nothing special. That's kinda what I'm thinking too. I mean I mean, honestly, because I mean I mean, if if if she has has done all this, that's fine, and that's great. But, you know, why don't you give out one or two of your your tricks during the week and then go for your big sale on Friday, not on Thursday.
[02:10:51] Rich Chelson:
You know? No. And I I I think it should have been on I personally think it should have been on Friday too. But it and but at the same time, you know, giving out the tricks, I don't know what she's afraid of on doing the giving out her super ninja tricks. Because if she gave out her super ninja tricks, there are those who are gonna take it, and they're gonna run with it. I'm one of them. I would apply what I learned from that to my to my own strategy.
[02:11:17] Unknown:
Right. Well, okay. Hang on here. But Okay. This is this is my this is this is my opinion here. Okay? As far as, the Super Ninja tricks, they're all searchable. Oh, I'm sure they are. I'm sure I'm a % sure they are. You know? But but trying to find all that information and and trying to, I mean, like like, you know, most of us, and, I mean, rightfully so, I would like to learn from someone who has succeeded at it. You know? Right. Yeah. Willing to pay $12,000? No.
[02:11:59] Rich Chelson:
So And I and I but but I figure if so if she is if she's as, as profitable as she says she is, great. Awesome. Magnificent. And you can tell us what those super secret, ninja tricks are because you're you're going to people will hear, maybe 20% are gonna try. And of that 20% that's gonna try, twenty percent's gonna nail it right. The other the rest of the 80 of that 20 is gonna go, well, I don't know how what she meant by this. They're gonna allow confusion and uncertainty to set in. So they're going to turn to her and want to actually learn more from her, get more details from her.
[02:12:49] Duuude-Ron :
Right.
[02:12:52] Rich Chelson:
And so she would actually better her sales, or at least this is how I'm thinking. I could be completely wrong. I mean, how many sales have I done? So okay. It's not like I'm I I am a master salesman by any stretch of the feasible imagination.
[02:13:08] Unknown:
Right.
[02:13:09] Rich Chelson:
But at the same time, I if I go off of what I felt, I felt shorted, cheated, and damn near took advantage of.
[02:13:20] Unknown:
Right.
[02:13:21] Rich Chelson:
Just it was like, why the hell are you selling on a Thursday? What are we doing tomorrow? Because we still have tomorrow. It's a five day course. Day five's coming up.
[02:13:35] Unknown:
Yeah. Normally, you save day five for selling. For the sale. Yeah.
[02:13:40] Rich Chelson:
It's good. Supposed to you know, the big gold nugget was supposed to be today to give us the incentive of, oh, hey. Look of all this value she gave to me. $12,000. Well, that's a little hot. But now she gave us gave me this this nugget of of go, you know, do three, do three live videos, and then the, the fourth one, tell a joke. And why you wanna do that is because you, you're providing value, providing value, providing value, making them laugh, and then you can ask. And been like, okay. Oh, oh, hey. That makes sense. Alright. Let's try that. Oh, and if you wanna know more of those types of really awesome, clues, it's a bit it's a it's a bit of an investment. I get it. But $12,000, I've got an academy that you can join into. You can make it out. You can make payments. We may stretch it out. 12 equal payments of of one I think it was 1,139 or a thousand 39, something that's it was over a thousand dollars just because if you want a best deal, you paid all your money up upfront.
[02:14:48] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you see, that's where that's where I think if you went and bought jab, jab, jab, right hook, you'd probably be money ahead as the way it sounds. Well, I mean, to a to a point. And see, that's the thing. There I'm not there's nothing wrong with, taking techniques, someone, you know, that you've read in a book or something and apply them to your situation, and you had success. And then building a a a class or a, you know, five day webinar off that. Okay. There's nothing wrong with it. But at the same time, you know, have something people can grab a hold of and and want to join because it sound I mean I mean, just sitting here listening to you, it's like, I wouldn't have made it through the second day.
[02:15:46] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Well, I know. No. But, I mean, the at the second day, wasn't much in the way of value, but it was building on what the first day was. You had the value of the first day, which was okay. Hey. How are you doing? What are this? This is what we're gonna be doing. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yada yada yada. Building upon that, because we did start off with a little bit of, you know, kind of, just the, you know, what what you're wanting what you're wanting to, to accomplish. Yeah. What are your what's your niche? Things like that. And where do you you know? And Okay. Kinda give you an idea of what your your, you know, she like to use all the different, the catchy, abbreviations.
So, what is it? Your, like, KPIs and, oh, you know, your oh, shit. What's the fucking date? Unique selling proposition. So your USP, your your your she was calling it, value target, value client,
[02:16:58] Unknown:
avatar, like CVA or something like that. Okay. See, that's where okay. That's where I would've
[02:17:05] Rich Chelson:
immediately left. Well, no. But I again, I was high enough to on that that I knew what she was talking about. Right. But there was a lot of women in the in this class who that was that was blowing their minds. Like, what? You you have a a a a a target target audience? You just don't name for everybody? And I mean, those were big surprises to a lot of these a lot of these women. And so I was like, okay, I I I can I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. Because eventually she did provide, like I said, the the, the ratio of three to one And that allowed me to go, okay. Okay. I now know I could do on Monday, I could do three four video or four posts.
Tuesday, four posts. Wednesday or Thursday, do eight posts. Because I do two, essentially, two asks. Go to my website.
[02:17:59] Unknown:
Right.
[02:18:00] Rich Chelson:
On those days. There well, I or I do two videos. I do one that's an ask, one that, then I have the, then you have, have the video. So I have on Wednesday, blog post, Thursday, podcast. And so I've got those two. So I just thinking, okay. If I've got, got those two there, we would, just double those up. Just make eight posts those two days just, just as a, a a matter of, of things because to to help feed the, the algorithm a little bit more. So I've thought, you know, I was like, alright. Second, second day, great. Third day, built upon that a little bit more, but not to the level that quenched my thirst.
[02:18:45] Unknown:
Right.
[02:18:46] Rich Chelson:
Not it didn't have that great big, oh, oh, okay. Sweet. Okay. I see where we're going on this.
[02:18:51] Unknown:
Right. Right.
[02:18:53] Rich Chelson:
And then when we were supposed to have the, you know, the big eye opener, here's here's the gold nugget of all gold nuggets that's gonna guarantee you to you to at least know which direction to start marching. You know?
[02:19:07] Unknown:
I want $12,000.
[02:19:09] Rich Chelson:
I want $12,000. And that makes me go, why would I wanna even spend $12,000 with you now? Am I gonna spend $12,000 and you're gonna go, oh, okay. And, you know, get up to month 11 of us building on this and not really providing much value. And, oh, hey. We've got a $24,000, advanced classes where we're gonna really teach all the extra information. And that's why that's the feeling that I get is you're not even gonna get to month 12 and get the sold to. You're gonna get, like, month six. Right. Maybe. You know, at the worst, it'll be, like, month six, and all of a sudden you're like, well, fuck. I spelled $12,000, and you haven't told me shit to begin with.
[02:19:57] Unknown:
Right.
[02:19:59] Rich Chelson:
You gave me a whole lot of little little little cool snippets and and and, and templates to work with, but you didn't tell me how to use the freaking templates. You're like, yeah. Here you go. It you just take this. You throw it up here. With what information? You know? What what about, what about, you know, hashtags? When are we supposed to use the hashtags? I mean, I I use depending on who you want to talk to, I'm using either too many hashtags or not enough hashtags.
[02:20:34] Unknown:
You see, that's the thing. If I use hashtags, I give a fuck. I use all the ones I want. Yeah. That that is one rule I have never agreed with because I've heard the same thing. Oh, you can't use too many. You have to use, you know Yeah. You wanna only use, like, three hashtags in Facebook.
[02:20:54] Rich Chelson:
Instagram, you're supposed to be able to use, like, 35 hashtags.
[02:20:59] Unknown:
I use I use as many as I want
[02:21:02] Rich Chelson:
whenever I want, and I don't care. But but again and I do understand what they're getting at because it is you know? So, like, Minds. Let's well, you I don't think you you know what Minds is, but Minds is kind of a a a, of a Facebook alternative.
[02:21:21] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:21:22] Rich Chelson:
And but they actually they do limit the number of of hashtags you can use. They only allow, I think, a a total of five at most. After that, it's like, you can't you you can't post until you get rid of some of these hashtags. They only they want you to have no more than five. If you wanna use any, then you can only use five. Well, help. Threads, you can actually only use one. Yeah. You can throw up as many as you want, but is there only gonna be one that's highlighted or or linked?
[02:21:53] Unknown:
No. Say that's say that's bullshit. You say why? What's the big deal?
[02:22:02] Rich Chelson:
Because some people are gonna are gonna abuse it. What abusing, means. Alright?
[02:22:08] Unknown:
Well, okay. Yeah. That's that's my next question. What how is that I I mean, what what is the abuse? I mean, who? Again, why why is that abuse?
[02:22:20] Rich Chelson:
Because if you're say, because what do what most people use hashtags for is is for, keyword. Alright? So, like, for me, I usually will use whatever the, whatever the pillar of, of of which of the relaxed mail pillars is available or or is covered by whatever the topic of my, say, my, blog post is. So, like, if it covers, man's community, then I have a hashtag man's community, another hashtag relaxed mail. I just want then that's so that I claim the four pillars of relaxed mail and the relaxed mail tag. Alright. Somebody wants to hit relaxed mail, boom. You're gonna find everything relaxed mail. That's relaxed mail will always be put on to every every post that I put up so that, you know, I'm I'm part of that. I'm that's just a means of me marking my territory.
Okay. That's my But, also, if it's about, say, relationship advice, then that'll be another hashtag. Me going off and, you know, using it and say it's Super Bowl, Super Bowl was go go, going on that week. And I put up Super Bowl, but my stuff doesn't have anything to do with Super Bowl. Well, that's going to lower the quality of what Facebook is is bringing up. So they're going if it if you don't have anything to do with Super Bowl and you're putting up a hashtag Super Bowl, they're actually going to dock your reach for that.
[02:24:03] Unknown:
You say that's yeah. Whatever. I I I mean, no. You see this you see this is why this is why I don't I don't post much shit like this because, you know, all these all these, platforms are like, oh, no. You can't do this. And and you see, that's the thing back during when hashtags was the big thing. People would have searches saved with those hashtags. And so so if you posted and used a hashtag someone else was was saving, and it would pop up, you know, every time, then they would see your post. It's more engagement. Right? Yeah.
[02:24:53] Rich Chelson:
Okay. So But, again, it it was to keep the spam down. So if you if all of a sudden you had someone network. Well, that's what they're doing. So that if you're if you're posting you got to post well, what do you think a better network is?
[02:25:13] Unknown:
No. I I I just I don't know. Maybe it's just me and stuff like this, but I don't know. It's just it just, I don't know. It it just I don't know, man. You have fried my brain. You literally have fried my brain, dude.
[02:25:43] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. I don't wanna be the ball buster.
[02:25:47] Rich Chelson:
Okay. Bust the balls, your ball buster. K.
[02:25:50] Duuude-Ron :
What was your original question
[02:25:54] Rich Chelson:
for Well, my it's not even original question. It was just my original bitch was that damn it. If I was Internet marketers ruin so much shit out there. They have the greatest opportunity to improve their client's world. And they can do so and and not even have to give away the whole cat. You don't have to give away the kitty just because, you know, just to make a few bucks. You can actually give away just a little peek and give them an idea that they can run with.
[02:26:37] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. So let me ask you this. How much, if you don't mind me asking, the toy the VIP was $27.
[02:26:47] Rich Chelson:
The VIP experience is what she called it. Yeah. Okay.
[02:26:53] Duuude-Ron :
How much was the course?
[02:26:56] Rich Chelson:
12,000.
[02:26:57] Duuude-Ron :
No.
[02:26:59] Rich Chelson:
No. No. What days. Oh, no. The the for the five day was free. It it was the, the little workshop deal that she was doing as a it was a free five day, workshop. Okay. And then if you wanted to have a couple more meetings, be able to meet in the mornings, and supposed to be able to have opportunity to be able to ask, more detailed questions, yada yada yada, You $27.
[02:27:26] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. So you paid a total of $27. Yep. And you basically got
[02:27:35] Rich Chelson:
what was the course pertaining again? I'm sorry. It's just to to how to more effectively market using social media.
[02:27:45] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. Did she say or give any specific information for you for to build anything with social media, or was it all just a bunch of vague statements pertaining to basically nothing.
[02:28:17] Rich Chelson:
Now, one thing that she did provide that I was like, okay. Okay. That works. Like I said, was the was the ratio of value post to asks. Alright? You give three valuable posts before you do one ask.
[02:28:36] Duuude-Ron :
And the ask is for
[02:28:38] Rich Chelson:
To buy my shit. Okay. So What do you do? You know, a a Great. And the inspiring, quote, a a video that pertains to the same topic that your your your business is about, and maybe a, a funny meme.
[02:29:00] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. And then So is that by my side. So is that repeating? Make three and then one sell, make three, one sell. That's just a repetitive,
[02:29:16] Rich Chelson:
That's just, you know, every day, three three 75% of your your your post need to be value. 25% needs to be, needs to be, an ask. Okay. And that's the that's that's where I mean, that that was the big thing that I got out of it, and that was day two. Okay. Day four, and she was trying to sell. And, I mean, she was doing and it was an hour and a half long sell pitch is what it was. And she like I said and like I said, she was did really good. She snuck that in there. I didn't even notice that I was being sold to for the first thirty minutes. And then she started bringing in, testimonies and things like that, and I was, like, going, oh, wait a minute.
And that got my attention. I was like, okay. Okay. Okay. What's going on here? And as I got to listening, I got to start getting a little more angrier and a little more angrier because it's like, oh, she's selling to us. She is already selling. She couldn't wait one more day. She couldn't give the golden nugget today. Well, maybe why she's maybe that's what she's doing. Maybe she's holding off till tomorrow to give the golden nugget so that she can at least have the ego I wanna say ego trip, but the it's a set sense of satisfaction that her that her students stayed until the last day.
[02:30:57] Duuude-Ron :
Right. Okay. That might be her reasoning.
[02:30:59] Rich Chelson:
That might be all what her reasoning is. I don't know. It doesn't make sense to me.
[02:31:05] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. And there was a 50 people that roughly that had joined this group. Yep.
[02:31:12] Rich Chelson:
Don't know how many actually purchased the VIP account. No. No. You won't she wouldn't tell you that. Okay.
[02:31:17] Duuude-Ron :
No. Okay. However, yes, it's an outrageous freaking amount. You know?
[02:31:33] Rich Chelson:
But, again, you know, it and that sounds like it's a lot because it is. But it's a lot do you think are gonna be there tomorrow
[02:31:41] Duuude-Ron :
if she does reveal a golden nugget?
[02:31:44] Rich Chelson:
How many people are actually gonna be there? We're gonna find we're gonna find out. I I I'm going to stick through this now. I just wanna see what I've my curiosity has peaked on it because If any golden nugget is is given? Yeah. I wanna see if if any. Might be copper. But Well, yeah. It's probably gonna be Viking gold, but still. It it's it is what it is. And at least got some it it because I'm, there's a portion of it. One, I wanted her to see. Okay. How does she, maybe I can learn something about social media that I don't know what I'm doing. Okay? Because I know I am just I I'm posting. I'm posting. I'm posting. I'm getting I'm getting a response.
It's not as tremendous as I'd like, but I but I the more I post, the more I'm seeing that, yeah, I I'm getting a a response. So, like like, right now, if I was to go to, let's bring up Facebook here. Let me go no open up the relaxed mail, and let's go to, professional dashboard. So for the last twenty eight days, I've had 752 views of my posts.
[02:33:07] Unknown:
Nice.
[02:33:08] Rich Chelson:
Okay. My engagement, you know, how many people actually click, you know, thumbs up, smile, you know, shock, whatever, any type of engagement, is, is 28. That's down by 58%. Okay? But, again, I you can it it comes in waves. I I could sit here and see it goes down, then it goes up, then it goes down, then it goes up, then it goes down, then it goes up, then it goes down. I mean, it's just it looks like an EKG. So
[02:33:41] Unknown:
Well, what you say the you say I find that misleading because do you know if that's you or if that's Facebook's algorithm?
[02:33:52] Rich Chelson:
See, that would be my question. Well, it's always gonna be the algorithm because you're not gonna get served in front of anybody be, without the algorithm because that's how everything gets served in Facebook.
[02:34:07] Unknown:
Right. But no. I'm saying I'm saying the the the ups and downs daily, you know, because you've got people interacting with your, stuff or seeing your stuff. Now whether they click, that's that's their choice, blah blah blah. But, you know, like like, your 28, you know, likes, whatever, and it's down 58%, is that Facebook's algorithm? Yeah. See. So so so how can I don't know? It's hard, but but how can you?
[02:34:46] Rich Chelson:
How can you manipulate that?
[02:34:48] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:34:49] Rich Chelson:
Do start doing stuff that is more to what Facebook likes or what Facebook thinks your potential clients would like.
[02:35:00] Unknown:
You're saying that's where that's where that's wrong in my in in in my opinion. That's where that that's where that bullshit is wrong. Because, basically, then you would become a slave to Facebook.
[02:35:17] Rich Chelson:
Alright. Now you're starting to get the understanding of it. Because, yeah, Facebook wants you to sell wants you to buy ads.
[02:35:30] Unknown:
Yeah. No. I've done that.
[02:35:33] Rich Chelson:
They don't work. Well, no. They actually do. You've but you've got to and I I do know how to do ads, but it takes work. Right. Because what you actually need to do is you need to have first, decide how, you know, you wanna make sure that you're doing your ads for about a month at the at the shortest.
[02:36:00] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:36:01] Rich Chelson:
Alright. And what are your what you're gonna do is you're going to actually take that month's worth of of of, of ad spending and you split it into two. Alright? So say we're gonna spend a hundred dollars, 20 5 dollars per week.
[02:36:16] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:36:17] Rich Chelson:
So you're gonna do $12.50 for, you're gonna split that into two, so that'll, for each, for each spending. And you're going to put up two different ads. K. One will be one way. One will be the other way. You launch both of those at the same time. For the first two, three, four days, you pay attention to how they're doing. Which one's doing better by, and is achieving closer to what you're wanting.
[02:36:49] Unknown:
K?
[02:36:49] Rich Chelson:
You keep that one running. You close the other one. You make a slight change, and you do another one. And and you do it, and you start it up next to the other one. Give it another four days again. So you're about to well, week and a, week and a day in. Which one's doing better? Alright. Make another change. Close the worst performing one. Do it again. And you rinse and repeat, and you keep improving your your ad every time. So you may go through five ads in that in that month period.
[02:37:30] Unknown:
But you're still out $200 because if you have to do this for two months to get
[02:37:35] Rich Chelson:
a baseline, basically, is what it sounds like. Well, no. Yeah. It's how you get you start getting a better response. If you just take something, design it, throw it out there, it's going to perform poorly. Even if you do let it set there for too much will. Well, it's gonna perform poorly because, one, you don't know it this is where the scientific, method actually comes into play for marketing, and this is how all marketers do it.
[02:38:06] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:38:07] Rich Chelson:
Because you actually don't know what's going to attract your client for whatever your ask is. And it may start out you have, say, I'm going to do a a workshop on on attracting your wife's attention better more. Alright. So and I'm gonna call it mastering the, mastering the storm or mastering the bedroom. We'll we'll even call it that just because it gives the connotation of of of little hanky panky going on. Okay. Alright. So I first put one up of mastering the bedroom, and it's a man and woman in an embrace. If I put that up there and I get, you know, 25 views, alright, You would think, oh, that's pretty damn shitty.
Alright. Man, it's probably probably right. But if you take another one and instead of of a, man and woman in in embraced, you have a man standing proudly upon a beak. Now why? Don't know. But all of a sudden, that instead of having 25 views, that one there has a hundred and eight. Alright? Don't know why, but some people have. And, like, lot of the, the few that I've seen, a lot of people like the one that or the clients seem to like the ones if there is a if there is sunset, your golden hour, and you got the the, got the silhouette of somebody with their arms up, like, yes. We're free. You know, that type of that that type of pose.
Okay. They like that a lot better for whatever reason. May not have anything to do with what what the product's being sold, but they that for whatever reason, people would react to that better.
[02:40:03] Unknown:
So okay. You find okay. You find one of them pictures? So you find a picture that that works. On it and throw it up. So but then okay. So you but everybody
[02:40:13] Rich Chelson:
the only thing you've been changing in the first two or three times is just a picture. Alright? You find a picture that keeps you've you've thrown up another picture, and that picture did worse. Alright? So we now know. Okay. We got a better selling, ad because of the picture. The next thing you would actually do is, like, start working on the headline. Oh my god. Which headline and, yeah, you wanna have to you wanna sit there and needle and pick and and tweak, and it's called AB testing. And as you're doing it, you're gonna start figuring out, okay. We, we now know that most people who are wanting most of the men who wanna have a better relationship with their wife likes video likes pictures of men standing on top of mountain, standing on mountain tops in a in a, in a very alpha style pose with, and, the the headline needs to have somewhere in there mastering, and, the, the copy down below needs to say something along the lines of what the objective was.
[02:41:24] Unknown:
So you need to treat men like Neanderthals?
[02:41:27] Rich Chelson:
Well, yeah. I mean, always. We are we are the Neanderthals. I mean, tomorrow, we I know.
[02:41:36] Unknown:
But but you see, that's the thing. You say it's, you know, 90%. Well, I don't know if it's 90%. I'm just throwing out a number there. Oh, yeah. You know? But I'm probably not far off. But 90% of men, their thought process and their mindset is about as deep as a kiddie pool.
[02:41:55] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Yeah. No. We are we all are. I mean, everybody does something that if they think that it's going to because well, when you're selling anything, one, you don't sell the medicine. Alright? You don't see if they if you're going on if you're gonna go do it to Walt Disney World, you're not selling the airplane. Alright? No. I'm not selling it. You're gonna be cruising in a seven forty seven travel at 30,000 knots, and it's gonna be you and a 75 other people all packed in there gloriously in a like a sardines in a tan can. And you're gonna have warm, flat Coke drink, and it's gonna be wonderful as y'all have you know, no one cares about the plane. No one cares about the hotel room, actually.
They wanna know that they're gonna have fun at at Epcot Center. Right. So you sell the medicine. You sell the headache powder, but you give them the vitamin that that prevents the headaches from happening.
[02:43:02] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:43:04] Rich Chelson:
Because people want the quick fix.
[02:43:08] Unknown:
Well, yeah.
[02:43:09] Rich Chelson:
So so you want if we're gonna so, like, if I was to sell my stuff, I would wanna be selling it as this is how this is the definitive answer to how you can have a better relationship with your wife. Right. Now you, you can't make while on Facebook, you can't make wild claims like, in twenty eight days, you will have the best sex in your life. Okay. There's no way to prove that that's gonna work. Alright? They and they'll they'll outright, deny your your ability to, to use that ad if I was to say something like that. The same as people who are selling weight loss. Be be, be 12 pounds lighter in in seven days.
They're either gonna get rejected because it's a it's a claim that, though might be possible, is not is not allowed by by Facebook because it's too much of a outland too close to an outlandish claim. If they allow that thing, they'll you'll have somebody making the claim lose 50 pounds in two days.
[02:44:24] Unknown:
I've seen those ads. I just scroll well, not on Facebook. No. On Facebook. Yeah.
[02:44:30] Rich Chelson:
No. No. Not on Facebook, but, yeah, I've seen shit like that. Oh, yeah. I have too. Yeah. Take this pill. Go buy. Congratulations. It's also called, legal methamphetamine. So
[02:44:41] Unknown:
Well, hey. You know, like you said, you selling the the, the Selling the fix. Not the not medicine. So Right. Right. And and you didn't say nothing about math or nothing, so, you know,
[02:44:59] Rich Chelson:
you're good. Right? Yeah. Hey. You're you're in like Flint, man. So but, yeah, that's, but that's when it comes to it comes to selling, I mean, there's there's a lot to it. It's not just something that is very straightforward. You just go here. Here's the post. Here's what I'm doing. Here's the picture. Put it out there. Well, how do we only get a 28 responses? Or we had a 28 views, but no one replied. Well, okay. So you had something wrong in that mix. Alright. Something wasn't jiving with the with your intended audience, whether it's the picture, the title, the copy.
And you can fiddle with those three topics. You can also, you know, you can also mess around with the, with the audience too if you wanted to. But, as a whole, you know what the what your audience is. You have a pretty good idea of who your audience is, where they can be found, what they're doing. And so you can lay in that type of demographic. But then when it comes to the the details of what the ad looks like, that's one that where so many people want to, wanna to fish around with.
[02:46:09] Unknown:
Right.
[02:46:10] Rich Chelson:
And so you you do. You have to sit there and and niggle it around and needle it over here, and let's just try this. No. That ain't working hard. Let's try this and that. No. And you have to do that too. I still I have to do that on my website. I'm still going through about once a month or so. I'd change a few things on the on the copy of the, of the, of the coaching one on one coaching page. Still ain't got shit, so I'm still missing the critical point that actually draws people's attention. And I would love if Google hadn't freaking got rid of the optimization, our Google optimized site because they had a really good AB testing site there.
Right. And I haven't been able to find an AB tester that works. Everything that I've everything I've tried so far, it's you put when you put up your your your your your post, and then you put up a alternative to the post. Uh-huh. And then all it does is goes through and shows, shows a. And you look at it and it's like, yeah. A, you had 750 o two views. B, you had zero views. That's because you haven't been showing b b. You know? It's like no one's interacting with either one.
[02:47:33] Unknown:
Well okay. Okay. Okay. Let me ask this. Since the age of the Internet, and and I know things have evolved and all like this, you would think someone would have, come up with a stand alone program that they could sell and make a few pennies on that would take the demographic because and and I know the demographic changes all the time. But you could do your AB testing against simulated data, which it's not really simulated because it because since all these sites gather all this information, they have relevant data that they could run these ads against and give you somewhat of an around
[02:48:29] Rich Chelson:
about how well the ad would do, which is I bet you probably could. It's probably the the Chad GPT two hundred dollar a month plan.
[02:48:37] Unknown:
Oh oh, hell no.
[02:48:40] Rich Chelson:
I ain't spending that money for that type of information. No. Hell no.
[02:48:46] Unknown:
Yeah. No. And, I mean, I mean, possibly so, but but you see, that's the thing. You know, you would think by now that someone would have made software or something like that using all the data that has been collected
[02:49:02] Rich Chelson:
about Oh, I'm sure AHrefs has something like that. You know? And but, you know But, again, AHrefs is a is a again, also, like, a $500 hundred dollar to $500, I forget, it's some stupid expensive a month, program.
[02:49:20] Unknown:
Say a month.
[02:49:23] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. See here. Let me I'll I'll tell you. I'll let me bring up a hrefs, tell you how much it cost a month.
[02:49:31] Unknown:
Yeah. You see, dude, most of these sites and all like this got on the bandwagon, making all software as a service. And because before software, you buy it once, you owned it. You know? Not now. Right. Now you pay, you know, whatever it is they want.
[02:49:57] Rich Chelson:
Plans and price. Lights. This is light. Oh, good god. I don't give a shit about the value of the privacy. Alright. No. I don't want fucking FAQs either. I don't fucking give a shit, dude. Alright. So light. This is the smallest plan. Alright? This allows five projects, six months of historical data, 750 tracked keywords, 10 or a hundred thousand crawled credits, 50 credits per user, one user included, and two more users at $40 a month each. Starts off at a hundred and $20 a month. Oh my god. Hundred and $30 a month. And you can go all the way up to let's see here.
Come on. Go all the way up to $450 a month. You get 50 projects, five years of historical data, five so could you picture paying $450 a month for five fucking years? No. 5,000 tracked keywords, 1,500,000 crawl credits, unlimited credits per user, one user included. You can add another 10 more users for $80 a month each.
[02:51:22] Unknown:
Good god.
[02:51:24] Rich Chelson:
All standard features includes, include a Webex four, Looker Studio integration, search type distribution, agency directory listings, all light features, plus, portfolios, content explorer, batch analysis, search engine, search, compare search engine, results, program comparison. So you got dashboard, site explorer, keyword explorer, site auditor, right tracker, you know, and it's like, yeah. Son of a bitch. Yep. I would love to use Ahrefs. Everyone talks about how great Ahrefs is. Of course, at that price, they better be really fucking good. They better be, you know, a hundred and $40 about once a month that ought to fry our hands and give me a handy from time to time.
[02:52:16] Unknown:
Right.
[02:52:19] Rich Chelson:
It's like Gemini, man. That's freaking expensive.
[02:52:22] Unknown:
Yeah. That is.
[02:52:24] Rich Chelson:
And so, I mean and it's like well, Kajabi is just as expensive as as as that is, and that's another that's just a a slap together type of, type of website that bundles a bunch of stuff together.
[02:52:39] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. I'm just you know, that's the thing. It's it's like, you know, you would think that that there would be something that is a little more cost effective, especially for someone starting out because some you know, someone starting out doesn't have $450 a month or a hundred bucks a month. I mean, they can, but not normally.
[02:53:06] Rich Chelson:
Uh-huh. They can, but not normally.
[02:53:09] Unknown:
Right. Right. Oh, yeah. But but, see, that's the thing. You know? You would think that there'd be something to help people along the way. And then as they get more and more and start selling and stuff like that, you know, they could, you know, upgrade to the better plans.
[02:53:30] Rich Chelson:
Right.
[02:53:31] Unknown:
You know? That's just my thought. So
[02:53:35] Rich Chelson:
Well, actually, Joby is at least a little bit cheaper. It allows you to do three websites, a hundred products, a a hundred thousand contacts, unlimited marketing emails, unlimited landing pages, group on bar onboarding, Kajabi AI, creator studio, third party integrations, twenty four seven support, affiliate programs, custom domains, custom branding, multiple admin users, webhooks, and custom code editors, all for $319. Well, typically, it's actually $400, k, but they give you a special price. And the the bay the basic one, which is the growth plan, is still a hundred and $60 a month.
[02:54:17] Unknown:
And that's not counting hosting. Right?
[02:54:20] Rich Chelson:
No. Well, that's what they do. They host. They host it all. You get one website, 15 product. You could actually put 15 different types of products on your site, so you're limited on that. So if you have 25 different, products, say, you've got five books you're selling and and 25, courses, guess what you're not selling? Your books. You well, you your books and five of your, and 10 of your, or and five of your your your your courses Right. You only get 25,000 contacts, which, I mean, only is a is a funny word for 25,000. But, you know, if you get popular, you know, you're you're not doing very you're you're gonna be hit that limit eventually.
Unlimited marketing email, so good. You can send as much marketing out as you can. Unlimited landing page spam all you want. Well well no. Because most most emails sites, if you're doing spam, it it's actually gonna get blocked. It'll it'll actually, it'll actually block you because I I'm I've got, SendFox as my email man as my email service, and that which would be just because, through, AppSumo, I was able to get it for, like, $50 for lifetime access. So it's like, hell, yeah. Let's do that. The only issue that you run into is that if somebody doesn't interact with your with your email
[02:55:53] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[02:55:56] Rich Chelson:
They're considered inactive. So they will not send an email to them. Okay. And a lot like, ConvertKit and places like that, they're the same way. Mailchimp. They're not gonna send emails to people who are not active.
[02:56:14] Unknown:
Right.
[02:56:15] Rich Chelson:
And it's that's because if people are just getting it and they're just throwing it away, that's looking at Google, mail, Hotmail, places like that, they're gonna see that as, oh, they didn't care to have that, so that must have been sent to them without their approval. And so that's spam. Right. And so eventually, you get put on the spam, spam spam list. But the other problem is is that the email sender gets hit with that too. So they have to keep an eye out on their own on their own goods and make sure their standing is good. So they that's one reason why they do this is because they have to do it to make sure that they stay in good standing with the spam blockers too.
[02:57:03] Unknown:
Wow.
[02:57:04] Rich Chelson:
So yeah. It's it's a it sucks because I have, I mean, I don't have many, at least no. I'm nowhere near, like, Pat Flynn. You know? He's got, like, 4,000,000, subscribers to his email letter or newsletter. And and I've got my 35, but out of that 35, I have seven active.
[02:57:28] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:57:29] Rich Chelson:
So, basically, what I do is after after about three months, if someone stays inactive, it's alright. You're out of here. I'd I go on and eject them. I just delete them from the list because I would rather just have a measly list of seven people that I know is least active. I would just say, hey. I've got a % open rate. You know? Well, you got I can go. I could say I could say that and people go, you got a %. How'd you do that? Well, you only have seven people.
[02:57:54] Unknown:
So
[02:57:56] Rich Chelson:
Oh, okay. So but but now and and see, again, that's just when it comes to Internet marketing, I get why people hate them so much.
[02:58:12] Unknown:
Right.
[02:58:13] Rich Chelson:
But at the same time, goddamn, man. It would help out tremendously if, you know, if you're going to make a promise, voice want that as explicitly state what that promise is. Alright? It may be hard for you to reach. If you can't reach it, then don't make a promise. Right. So don't sell. We'll we'll improve it. Improve your social media. How? We're gonna do this and this and this and this and this. Alright? Even that. You're not telling me that you're not giving away the secret sauce. I have to join up to join up the on the, on the news group or on the on the the, workshop to be able to get all the juicy details on how this this this this and this work together.
[02:59:05] Unknown:
Oh, remember remember.
[02:59:07] Rich Chelson:
And it would be great if they actually if she if she was to have told me, it's this this this this this and those that, that, that, that, and that all you could build upon each other. And I may not find point number one, point number two, all that interesting because maybe that's something I already know. You wanna be on Facebook and you wanna be on at least two others, two other, sites, but make sure that there are sites that one your clients are go your potential clients are gonna be on and that you have good responses with. So, you know, going on to Pinterest may not do very much good for you, but going on to Instagram because you're a a travel agent, okay, might do you good.
[02:59:52] Unknown:
Right.
[02:59:53] Rich Chelson:
So you wanna make sure that you, you know, have those two and then, you know, the third one may come in and all of a sudden, hey. Alright. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. There's some there's a little bit of information I didn't know. Fourth one. Oh, hey. There's a big chunk, there's a gold nugget that I didn't know. That helps kinda put everything together and now I'm starting to really grasp. And then five is the really nice, nugget. And then if you wanna know even more about it, then you come check out, you know, my my academy for $12,000. Right. And I would have been because, I mean, I've spent $25,000 or $21,000 for my my coaching program to become certified.
I have no problem spending that type of money if I find the value in it. And it how long did it take me to finally decide, you know what? Instead of dreaming about it, let's go ahead and shit and get off the pot. I listened to Bert Castillo for eight years, And I actually went back when I first found her. I went back and listened to the first two years.
[03:01:13] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[03:01:15] Rich Chelson:
And that was a whole lot of Brook and Steel, but at the same time, those first two years worth of of, of podcast just mind bombs. Just every single boom. Boom. Holy shit. Your thoughts create your actions. Your actions create your results. I mean, it's everything about it. Your your circumstance is just a, is is is neutral. You know, everything about it was just, oh, oh, oh, you know? And then we're got around that she, you know, When she started doing her sell selling her, her her class, it started out as $12,000 also. And I was like, oh, damn.
And I would she would do it about, three times a year. She would have an advertisement. Every time she's talking about the advertisement, it took, you know, three years worth of listening, and I was like, oh. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, yeah. How do I come up with $12,000? But the problem was is after every year, there was a bit of an increase. Mhmm. There's a bit of an increase. There's a bit of an until finally, I was like going, if I don't do this now, I'm never gonna be able to get this. And so I found a way of coming up with $21,000 and getting certified.
Right. Now going through the certification caused me to realize, oh, I really didn't actually have to be certified to have the confidence to do what I wanted to do.
[03:02:51] Unknown:
Right.
[03:02:52] Rich Chelson:
So it was a it was a good lesson learned. It was that 20 it it still was I still consider that a $21,000 well spent. It helped me see a lot of stuff in my life that I needed to focus in on. Gave me the skills of what a model is, how to actually to how to actually utilize the model to help, to help the men that I wanna help out become better. Help them realize your thoughts are getting in the way of your great relationship with your wife. Mhmm. Get out of your own damn way, and you'll find out, holy smokes, that that tiger in the bed is still there. She's still hot is hot for your bod. But you have to you have to do the work on yourself.
[03:03:46] Unknown:
Right.
[03:03:49] Rich Chelson:
But to to be able to get to that point, yeah, I had to go through and I had to realize. It's like, oh, well, that was that was a a big lesson to learn and an expensive lesson to learn. I'm glad I spent that money, but, again, that's because I found the value. Right. It was that was a long tail, buying, forget what the the actual term is, but anyhow, it it took a while for for that sale to happen. Damn near ten years For me to finally go, okay. Yeah. Let's go ahead and let's buy this. Of course, then I'm go off and I get real pissed because she goes off and hits the ten year mark, and now she's she's kinda shutting everything down a bit. I'm like, oh, no. Not Yale. Damn it.
Because she's helping her son, Christopher, become a professional golfer. And so she is basically I I I joke around saying that she's grouping right now and chasing after her son all over the, as he does his professional tour or try to get himself into the professional tour. But at the same time, the life coach school is not doing anything. It doesn't have any it's not doing the, any of the coaching that it used to do. It's not doing any the classes that it used to do. It's not doing anything right now. It's just kinda stopped, and it's just sitting there. Cranks out a a a podcast.
Maybe we okay?
[03:05:39] Unknown:
I think dude's passed out.
[03:05:42] Duuude-Ron :
No. Not yet. Okay. Not yet. But everything that you've said over the last forty five minutes has gone so far over my head. I have not even gotten a breeze from the, the tail ring.
[03:05:59] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. I I just got looking. I was like, holy crap. It's 10:00, guys. So we need to go ahead and wrap this up. So anyhow but, yeah, there's a lot of lessons that that have been learned. And and when it comes to the social media stuff, you don't have to play fast. You don't have to, don't have to pull a fast one to provide value for your clients. I that's the thing I've learned is that I'm going to provide way more value to to the guys that I do a workshop with. Right. I am going to when I get done, I am going to be tired. I wanna be tired. I want to have left it out all out on the field.
And instead of going, well, here's this, here's this, here's this, here's this. Oh, and now that you don't, and now that I have I've teased the senses with what you could possibly do by not actually giving you any type of really big, big bits of information. If you want those bits of information, you might, and that's because this is what I think. I might be able to get what I need from that $12,000 course, but that's such a big ask. I'm not gonna do it. I would rather them go, holy smokes, man. They Brian's been going off giving me is basically sold me a brand spanking new Mercedes Benz car for $50.
Who could say no to that? I mean, hell, yeah. This thing has got five miles on it. It all everything is is authentic. It's it's a real Mercedes car. I don't know why he's selling it for $50. Something might be wrong, but at the same time, I can't let this thing go. And if he's given if he's doing that for something free, what's he gonna do with a, with a $12,000 course, which wouldn't be $12,000? Alright. What's the what's the group meet group coaching gonna be like? Well, it'll be maybe a hundred dollars a month. But you've got a group of guys that's all there. They're all helping each other, and they're all committed to each other, and they're we're all hitting our goal.
You know?
[03:08:22] Unknown:
Yeah.
[03:08:25] Rich Chelson:
And so if three is it blows your mind, wait until you pay. You know? Right. Right. So but, anyhow, so guys, I wanna say thank y'all very much for taking the time to listen, hear what the world were saying, and having to say, and and complaining, and even those times when I decide to go whip out the old the old grouch box and and start grousing a little bit. It's this, podcast is could easily be described as three heads, one brain, but we're we're a little bit more than that because we are three friends who are out to enjoy life as completely as we can together.
Now we're all in different parts of the country. We've got one in Mississippi, one in Oklahoma, and one in Texas. So we don't see each other all that often, but we do sit down and have a conversation once a week. In all reality, actually, we have a con we reach out and talk to each other twice a week, but one's a a veteran, veteran group. And if you're a veteran and you'd like to join that group, reach out to me, [email protected]. Love to hear from you and just let me know, and I can send a, send an invite over to you. And we meet every every Wednesday from eight to ten. So just, just one of those one of those fun things that, don't probably need to talk more about, but would sadly, we don't.
But anyhow, we talk we like to talk and live, within a within each other's lives, at least for for a few hours, just so that we are in contact. We know that each of us are probably a member of each other's 03:00 with people, which is that person that at 03:00 in the morning, if you were two states away and needed somebody to pick you up, one of us is probably gonna hop in a car and and drive two states away to pick them up and and get them to where they need to be. And that's that's what a man's community is all about, is those close friends, those friends that we know we can, we can depend on.
And so that's what we're doing here. It's just showing guys, hey. This you can talk about whatever you want. You can come y'all can y'all can do your own podcast. If you want to, please do. Show up. Do start doing a podcast. You can do one with three people, four people, eight people. It might be a little tough to get in a word in edgewise with eight people, but who knows? You might have a whole bunch of people who don't talk that much and one guy like me who just can't stop the aberrant. So it it it is what it is, and y'all you can you can find your your group. But the cool thing about our our podcast is that it is not supported by advertisers. You're not gonna see Casper mattresses or or, you know, organic toothbrushes or or anything like that around here. You're gonna see us talking. And if you wanna help out, then you are we accept anything in any, in in any denomination as a means of help. You wanna help us with in time. You wanna be able to go through and set up chapters for our for our episodes. Awesome. Let us know. Reach out to [email protected], or you can get ahold of rich at r chelson. That's [email protected].
And let us know, hey. I'd like to help with the chapters and, or what are chapters and how do I help you with those? You know, you can there's so many different ways that you can, means that, of help. You've maybe you decide, you know what? We need to need a better website. Your site just just stinks. I'm like, alright. Sweet. Well, put it together for us and we and and that'd be a great way of being able to provide talent and and and, time. Because the other way is is talent. If you're great at graphic design, we always use that as the excuse if and wanna set up chapter, images for our chapters, then great. Go ahead. Share bring them bring them in. Send us to send them to us through the email, [email protected], r chelson at g mail dot com. And let us know what what it is, that you're you're sending and and how to what you like for us to use it for, and we'd use it. You cover our chapter art. You know, always could use those. Or if you are if you want, you can also send go to, to our PayPal account. You go to to two grumpy vets, that's all spelled out, tw02grumpyvets.com, and you'll see value for value tab at the top of the site. And there, you can actually go to PayPal and, and send whatever denomination, how often you wanna do. Once a, once a week, once a month, once a year, whatever. You send us, send some money over to us, and we would be highly grateful that would actually go to helping our, helping our hosting and things like that.
So, guys, again, thank you so much for all that y'all do. Thank y'all for coming in and listening. I mean, heck, we could be talking into the void, but, but we interestingly enough, we have people that listen. Yay. And so we we we like that. And we're we're appreciate the fact that you do come in and you do listen, and we are thankful for that. So, Rich, what do you have to say?
[03:14:24] Unknown:
Just I'm glad everybody is is listening. It looks like we've our numbers have come back up. We're over 2,000 downloads, so very happy about that and everything. And just I'm you know, like like Brian said, you know, you know, if you wanna help out with chapter or or just, you know, wanna suggest something or, you know, laugh with us or whatnot, send us an email, you know, [email protected] or [email protected]. And, I mean, we'd love to hear from you. We'd love to answer your questions, on the air. You know? And, if if you have one of the newer podcasting apps like Fountain or, True Fans or something like that, we do, do lives every week, and, you can listen to us. And, I don't know if you can send us a message to them or not. But
[03:15:24] Rich Chelson:
no. Well, you can through, through, like, like fountain at the moment. But, yeah, they're still trying trying to figure out the whole, the whole Boosts, thing right now. So they're Right. They're still trying to work through that. So, I mean, I'm not I'm not gonna talk down about, about anything that, Dave Jones or or Adam Curry are doing because they are doing amazing work, and they're trying to figure out they're trying to figure out a whole bunch of stuff. Cross hat, comments so that we y'all could actually talk with each other and make comments about kinda like super chats in in, in YouTube. They're trying to get to figure out how to get that implemented so that, you know, so that y'all could actually talk with each other and have conversations about our conversations.
And, there's, forget who it is. Someone figured out how to do something like that through Blue Sky, which is amazing. That's a it's a activity pub client. So it, it fits in with, with a lot of what Dave and Adam are trying to do. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[03:16:34] Unknown:
Okay. But either way, it's still you know, That's all still in the works. The easiest way is to send us an email. So, yeah, send us let us know your thoughts and everything like this because, we enjoy doing this and, you know, I mean, we all have fun. And like, Brian said, you know, we talk on Wednesday nights as well. So, yeah, we yeah. And that's from eight to ten. So, yeah, we talk, like, five hours a week minimum. You know, sometimes it's more because we might pick another day and talk. It never arrives. But, say, we've always got something to say. One whether it's right, wrong, or indifferent, we've got something to say, all of us.
So other than that, that's that's about all I got. Thank you for listening, and, come back and listen to us again. Tell your friends. Tell your mama and them. We don't care. Let everybody hear it. Share us out. So, dude, what have you got?
[03:17:36] Rich Chelson:
Oh, did Paul slip yet?
[03:17:39] Unknown:
I think he yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think he bit the dust.
[03:17:46] Rich Chelson:
Those meds, I tell you, they are powerful.
[03:17:48] Unknown:
Right. Right. So okay. Well, since dude has, bit the dust once again, we will, I guess, say good night and, have a good rest of your week and, you know, come back and listen next week. So
[03:18:03] Duuude-Ron :
Alright.
[03:18:05] Rich Chelson:
Man. You say it, man. Absolutely, man. You do the same. We will talk to y'all next week. Till then, bye.
[03:18:12] Unknown:
Later.
[03:18:14] Rich Chelson:
Alright, Rich. Catch you later. Alright, Brian. See you. Bye. Night, dude. Night, dude.
Hey, man. Hello, and welcome to Two Grumpy Vets and a duuude, this is a show that each week allows for three friends to get together and live life intentionally.
[00:00:11] Rich Chelson:
We do this by throwing a little social commentary
[00:00:14] Bryan Goodwin:
with our own weird sense of humor and our thoughts together to show folks that living having weekly conversations
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is a good way to help each other out, help men become better men. And so now on with the show with Brian, Rich, and
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the dude.
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Recording and progress.
[00:00:37] Duuude-Ron :
Mister Brian. Hello.
[00:00:40] Rich Chelson:
How are you doing today? Oh, I'm doing alright. Just getting shit on.
[00:00:47] Duuude-Ron :
Alright.
[00:00:55] Rich Chelson:
Well, you've been holding up.
[00:00:58] Unknown:
I got ambitious today, so I'm not I'm not doing I'm not doing as good as I was earlier, but I've been doing alright. Well,
[00:01:10] Rich Chelson:
so what's what's hold you back? What's, what's what's changed?
[00:01:16] Unknown:
Oh, I I just I started feeling pretty good. So so in in in, in a preparation for this contest that starts tomorrow night. Right. I made a few changes, around my AM radio station to because I'm running two antennas. And so so I made it easier. Before I had it set up, I had one on the bottom and one about six foot up, and I'd have to stand up and flip a switch and sit back down. And it's like that just you know, when you basically You're gonna you're gonna feel like you're a Catholic. You keep doing that. Right. But, you know, I and and I had ran it like that in a couple of contests, and it's like you know, I'd always told myself, I says, I've got to change I've got to change this, position because it it's it's a pain.
You know?
[00:02:21] Rich Chelson:
Right. So,
[00:02:24] Unknown:
yeah. I, I said, okay. I did. And, so, yeah, I moved it, and, I've got it sitting to where I can just reach over and flip. You know, I don't I don't, you know, I don't I'd I don't have to do any acrobats acrobatic moves
[00:02:47] Rich Chelson:
Okay.
[00:02:48] Unknown:
Okay to, do that now. And then, also, I made a little, thing, little feed through panel in my window because well, I could buy one, but they want, like, $90 for them. Okay. Really? Wow. Oh, shit. Yeah. I mean, freaking expensive. And it's like, you know what? A freaking one by four is a whole lot cheaper and and and works really well
[00:03:19] Rich Chelson:
if I had one.
[00:03:21] Unknown:
So I just measured the window, cut it, and, drilled some holes for my, coax. And I and I've got the rest of it. So if I wanted to run anything else from the inside of my room here to the outside, I can. Okay. You know, I just I just have to drill some more holes. So I'm gonna do Whole lot cheaper than $89.95. A lot of stacks. Oh, yeah. And shipping.
[00:03:55] Duuude-Ron :
And shipping. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can't get shipping.
[00:03:57] Unknown:
Well well, you see, the thing is if I spend a hundred dollars or more, I don't have to pay shipping. But, you know, if I don't, then, yes, like, $14 shipping. I'm like, no. Ain't doing it.
[00:04:09] Rich Chelson:
Which is funny because if if it's $90 and then it's for shipping, it's $14, that makes it over a hundred dollars, so shouldn't it be just $90?
[00:04:18] Unknown:
Well, you you would think, but no. And and you see and and see, that's the thing. It's it's a $90, and you have tax on top of that. Oh, yeah. And and down here in Mississippi, it's only 7%, so that'd be $6.30. So, yeah, I'd I still wouldn't even be at a hundred dollars even with tax. The tax doesn't count. Right. No. Of course not. No. No. No. No. I'm like, no. That's just rude. No. So so, yeah, I did that, and and, of course, every time I thought I had everything I needed,
[00:04:56] Rich Chelson:
no. I didn't. Gotta make another trip to the store.
[00:05:00] Unknown:
Well, no. No. I no. Believe it or not, I had everything here at the house. Oh, okay. It was either inside the house or out in my shop. Yeah. You see? So so, yeah, I made, like, four or five trips between my back room here to my shop and back, and and I'm just like, dad, go on. I it it just irks me because it's like, you know, I love having my stuff in my shop, but sometimes I need to have have the stuff on-site. And I try to think everything, you know, think of everything. And Right. Of course, no. I forget. You know what I mean?
[00:05:49] Rich Chelson:
Uh-huh.
[00:05:50] Unknown:
Ron says he'll be there shortly. Y'all just talk amongst yourselves.
[00:05:59] Rich Chelson:
Man, we gotta come up with our own conversation topics now. Jee whiz. We're waiting for Ron to do so. Right? I know.
[00:06:06] Unknown:
But, but, anyway so, yeah, I got that done, and that that about set me off further for the evening. And so, yeah, it just it it it was nice and warm today. Thank god. My yard is still a swamp. I mean well, here. Hang on a second. Let me wrong way. This way. Let me tell you, say now. This week alone, we've had 1.49 inches of rain.
[00:06:44] Rich Chelson:
Okay? Wow.
[00:06:46] Unknown:
Yeah. For this month of February, we've had five inches of rain.
[00:06:52] Rich Chelson:
Nice.
[00:06:54] Unknown:
No. My backyard
[00:06:57] Rich Chelson:
no. My backyard is a freaking swamp, dude. Well, that's why you plant watermelons so that it because it's all sandy, so it'll soak up all that water.
[00:07:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Eventually. But but you see, we've had we've had so much rain in a short amount of time. I could almost put a launch a boat in my yard in my backyard. It is that full. When I walk in the dry parts or what looks like a dry part of my yard, I squish. I go squish. Squish. Squish. Squish. So so yeah. It's it's, yeah. I'm I'm trying to get my yard to dry out because, and I might I might have a spot that is dry. So, so, I can, I'm thinking about putting up a 30 antenna for this. Contest? Yeah. Yeah. Thinking about, and, and I having it facing, going east and west instead of because the first one I've got, I've I've got my 41 foot, long wire, and it's ran north to south, which, I mean, it does good as it is.
Right. And I've got a 25 foot vertical, which does really well because, yeah, today, I was I was talking to, Caraco and Saint Lucia and all them, and, I mean, they it was like they were sitting right here in the room with me. It was that clear. Wow. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So yeah. No. It's it's it's been it's been really good, but I'm thinking about putting one, east and west, putting a 41 foot long wire east and west. So I don't know yet, though. I might. We'll see how I feel tomorrow. Because, contest starts tomorrow night at, eighteen hundred.
[00:09:08] Rich Chelson:
Okay. And it goes all weekend long.
[00:09:12] Unknown:
Yeah. It goes till Sunday night at, eighteen hundred or seventeen fifty nine.
[00:09:19] Rich Chelson:
Five.
[00:09:20] Unknown:
That is $5.59 for for all you nonmilitary personnel.
[00:09:25] Rich Chelson:
Oh, you just takes you take the number seventeen, and you take away twelve.
[00:09:31] Unknown:
Yeah. But that confuses a lot of people.
[00:09:34] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. That's that's the only way I was ever able to figure it out. That's up there. And for the longest time, it was like, well, it's +1. Alright. That's +1, 213141516. Alright. Five fingers. Alright. 05:00. Alright. I I now know what time.
[00:09:55] Unknown:
Right. For for a long time, I was I was doing time on my fingers. So Oh, no. No. And, see, that's the thing. When I first learned it, I had to do it that way. I had to I had to do it in my head, you know, do the math because, you know, they'd say seventeen hundred, and I'm like, oh, shit. I'm lost. You know, we're twenty hundred hours or twenty two hundred hours. So, yeah, it took me a while to figure it out. But once I got it figured out, it it now it's well, it's been like this ever since I was in you know, learned in the military. I I can just rattle it off. And in fact, a lot of times, I wish more people would use military time because for me, it it just I don't have to do any math.
You know?
[00:10:40] Duuude-Ron :
Right.
[00:10:41] Unknown:
Because you see, that's the thing. Like like, on some sites, I've seen, you know, if if they use military time, they also have, AM or PM. And and and you have to select AM or PM, and it's like, no. There's none of that. Because anything from from midnight to noon is just this number. Yep. 00100, 0 2 At at noon, when it goes after twelve or when it hits 01:00, it's thirteen. So what goes after twelve? Thirteen. So Right. That's and that's when you stop start subtracting. But, yeah, a lot of people have a hard time with it. So
[00:11:35] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. And, well, basically, what I do is I'll drop the I I don't even worry about the first number. You know? If it even if it's, like, twenty hundred, it's, well, ten minus two. Okay. Well, then it's 08:00. So that's how I figure. That that's how I've gotten around to doing it in my head. I don't even worry about the first set of numbers because even if it's even if it's a twenty, it starts with a two. It's just it's gonna be just a one. So
[00:12:04] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:12:05] Rich Chelson:
Okay. Other than that, if it there there's a one before it, then you just you're you're dropping the one anyhow. So it's not even really all that important. So eighteen drop two off, that's, you know, 06:00.
[00:12:20] Unknown:
Eighteen, drop two off.
[00:12:22] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Eight, seven, six, so you drop two off. Okay. You don't even worry about like I said, don't even worry about the one. So
[00:12:33] Unknown:
Okay. I mean, that's that's a new way. You know? I, I, I, I hadn't heard that that, method of thought.
[00:12:45] Rich Chelson:
But, I mean, if it works, it works. You know? No. Yeah. No. It it it doesn't matter whether it's right or it's wrong. Does it work, and do you come up with the right answer? Yeah. Oh, that's sweet. Awesome.
[00:12:55] Unknown:
Exactly. That's that's exactly it. You know? Everyone worries about, oh, I can't get that Figure it out how it works for you. Right. You know? I mean You know? And that's one thing. Everybody want you know?
[00:13:09] Rich Chelson:
Get me on the on the tirade of everybody running around saying, oh, I've got I've got, autism. It's like, no, dude. You don't. Well, I'm neurodivergent. No. Dude, you're not neurodivergent. Alright? First off, you don't think like anybody else. Alright? Neither does anybody else. Right. So you're neuro like everybody else. You could call yourself not typical or non typical or divergent or insurgent or detergent. Doesn't matter. Airflow now, you'll you'll anger the Tide pod eaters. I don't care about the Tide pod eaters. They can they they can sit there and enjoy their their delicacy all they want. Right. But but, again, no. I I that's if you're if you're if you're a, actually, we have, you know, I've got stuck on the Asperger's.
Yeah. Yeah. What's that fucking word? Not neurodivergent. You're autistic. Thank you. Good. Oh, I do. My my brain was, like, going through all these other words, and I was like, no. No. That's not the one. So but yeah. So, you know, if you're autistic, yes, there are those who are high functioning autistic. Those are people like, Temple Grandin. Right. High functioning, autistic. Alright? She Yeah. Figured out a way to work. She didn't run around going, well, I'm autistic. Y'all have to give me no. Hell, have you ever have you ever gone through and watched, her, her movie, her biopic?
Yes. I did. I love that movie. Excellent.
[00:14:59] Unknown:
Oh, awesome. Excellent, man. Absolutely.
[00:15:01] Rich Chelson:
Who was it? Claire Danes at the that plays her? Yeah. Yeah. So and I mean Excellent. Excellent movie, man. I mean, damn, dude. I was I was impressed. Yeah. And I mean, yeah, she was she had to do a lot had to go through a lot of different hurdles. But at the same time, she didn't go off and, like, a lot of people use their their that label to hold them now. It was just a a matter of fact. Oh, okay. Well, I I have autism. Alright. That's the reason why I don't like to be hugged. Alright. That's why I don't like to be touched. But, you know, this and, yeah, they kinda go through and say, well, okay. I I think of stuff in pictures.
Well, that doesn't necessarily mean autistic. No. It doesn't mean anything. I I don't think I'm autistic. I happen to look at things in pictures, but also I have to look at things in words too. Right. So, I mean, it just depends on who you are and what you're doing. And How it works for you, basically. And, again, how it works for you. And so to to be holding yourself back because you've got this label, whether you're and people are trying to take, like, ADHD and combine it into, neurodivergent. No. No. Just kid doesn't like to sit still very often. He thinks things he he's got he's got a, he's got a hyper switching, channel switcher.
So, yeah, he's jumping from one topic to another because he's wanting more he's wanting more dopamine and serotonin in his system than other kids. Now why is that? Well, I don't you know? If I was to guess, probably a lot of it was television.
[00:16:51] Unknown:
Probably.
[00:16:52] Rich Chelson:
Mhmm. Good chance. But it still was existing beforehand because a lot of people think that maybe, oh, Edison was probably ADHD.
[00:17:06] Unknown:
Right.
[00:17:06] Rich Chelson:
Because he would work on one little one little project for a short while, and then he'd go to go to a different one. Right. So, I mean
[00:17:17] Unknown:
Let's see. Sometimes people that's how that's how that's how people, work things through and actually, you know, they're down one path. And then, you know, if they stop and work on something else while they're working on that, their mind's on this other thing, and they figure it out, and they go back and finish it. And then they come back. You know? I I mean, I do that a lot sometimes. Oh, hell yeah. Fact fact sometimes, you know, if I don't do it that way, I get frustrated and walk away, and I don't even touch it again.
[00:17:51] Rich Chelson:
Hey. Fuck this shit. I'm done. I'm out of here. Quit. Stop. Stop.
[00:17:55] Unknown:
Pretty much. You know? That's why that's why I'll stop, and I'll do something else. And sometimes it takes six months. And it's like, oh, shit. That's what I was missing. I go back to it. Right? But, you know, that that's the thing, though. That doesn't mean I'm autistic or divergent or then any of those 20 other words you said. Yeah. You know, it's just that's just the way things work with me.
[00:18:30] Rich Chelson:
You know? I I don't I don't need a label for it. No. That's, that's one of the things. And these sadly, there was a for a little while, there was kind of a movement of let's get rid of all these labels. And then I was like, all of a sudden, there's, like, everybody's, like, turn around. I was like, no. No. No. We want labels. Well, let's label more stuff. And they, you know, they, all of a sudden, everything's gotta have a label. You know? Oh, yeah. You're on the spectrum. Well, what the fuck's a damn spectrum? Yeah. I am not a piece of light, so, no, we it's not.
[00:19:05] Unknown:
Well, well, see, that's the thing on on yeah. Okay. On the spectrum. Who thought up that spectrum?
[00:19:12] Rich Chelson:
It makes it easy to be able to explain. Well, there's different No. Types of autism because, you know, some people have it really bad and are nonfunctioning, while other people have have just a little bit, and they can they're okay. And that's the ones those are the ones who I just wanna reach around reach around, with my hand and just give them a good healthy smack.
[00:19:37] Unknown:
Right. But no. No. No. No. When I asked, you know, you know, who who in this world came up with this spectrum? Because, I mean, they're stupid.
[00:19:52] Rich Chelson:
Well, that that would have been the, the the quote, unquote experts.
[00:19:59] Unknown:
Yeah. In other words, scientists who were paid to say, oh, this is the spectrum we have to go by.
[00:20:08] Rich Chelson:
I don't know if they were necessarily paid. I think they were just like, oh, I got a I got a word that'll fit for stuff, and and people will it's an ego trip. Oh, I get to I I made up a word, and everybody's used stuck it into the lexicon. And yeah. Yeah. We use you know? It's kinda like trigger. Trigger I get triggered by the actually, I don't get triggered. I get activated by when someone says, well, I'm I feel triggered. No. You don't. I like that. Full control of your freaking your freaking, faculties. Alright? You are choosing to become activated.
Alright? You aren't being triggered. Triggered means that somebody else is coming along here taking control of your body and making you mad. I'm sorry. I could tell you every name in the book, and I'm not actually making you mad. I could sit there and push you down a hill, and it doesn't mean that you're gonna end up necessarily getting mad at me. I could do some of the worst horrible stuff to you. Doesn't mean that you're going to get mad or you're gonna be activated or you're gonna be triggered because of whatever it is I did. You chose to react the way that you did instead of taking the time, thinking things through, and responding.
[00:21:28] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:21:32] Rich Chelson:
No. No. I agree. I agree. That's that's I'm Brian. Good morning. Thank you for listening to my TED Talk. All two minutes of it. All two minutes. Hey. Hey. It has to be can't be any longer than the what is it? Eighteen minutes?
[00:21:48] Unknown:
Something like that, I think. Yeah.
[00:21:50] Rich Chelson:
So there you go. I I made it nice and short.
[00:21:55] Unknown:
But yeah. No. It yeah. I I don't know. It just, yeah, it ir yeah. It irks me when when, they well, like well, like, my nephew, MJ. Five years old. He has to take, you know, you know, medicine because he's well, he don't have to. Britt and Brian put him on a medicine because, I mean, the kid I mean, the kid's wild. Wild as shit. And Yeah. Basically, this is my opinion. He needs discipline and structure.
[00:22:31] Rich Chelson:
You know? But Well, I he may may just need a full day of working in a field. Well, he's five years old, dude. I know. There's nothing wrong with having a kid. You know, I'm working in a field means completely different thing for a five year old than it does an an 18 year old. Right. No. No. I'm not same time, if you were to have him, you know, doing what something, you know, for for a twelve hour stint. Right. Without having the external stimuli of of a screen. Give that boy three days. He would sleep like a flipping baby every damn time.
[00:23:09] Unknown:
Right.
[00:23:11] Rich Chelson:
And, if you give him the proper taps of rewards so, you know, as you're, as you're out to, say, building fence and he's he's, yeah, he's going out and grabbing you know, going running to the, the pickup to grab the the fencing pliers or whatever. I mean, that's one thing I remember doing was always being dad's fencing plier holder. Right. But, I mean, that's that's one of the problems that I think we've a lot of our kids do does have is that they are a lot like like today like animals, like the dogs, of today. You watch, Cesar, Mulan. He always talks about if a dog doesn't have enough exercise, they're going to become mentally unstable. They're going to start doing weird stupid, you know, aggressive stuff because they don't have an outlet.
Right. And granted, today's society is screwed up enough to where you've got everybody sticking their nose and everybody else's goddamn business.
[00:24:18] Unknown:
True.
[00:24:19] Rich Chelson:
And instead of letting the kids run up and down the the the street Oh, yeah. No. They they freaking lock them in the house. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They lock them in the house. You can't be riding a bicycle. Oh my gosh. You gotta have mom hanging out with a teenager with a 13 year old kid, and he's gotta have his bicycle helmet on, and he's gotta have his knee pads and elbow pads and a body pad and, you know Right. A safety harness and and and, your PT belt and everything else on. Or if it's,
[00:24:52] Unknown:
85 degrees. Oh my god. It's too hot. You'll get overheated. Or if it's, you know, 30 degrees. Oh, it's too cold. Let let the kids
[00:25:04] Rich Chelson:
let come to the kids learn. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, it's 80 degrees. We used to walk to the damn pool in a hundred and five degrees Exactly. Barefoot
[00:25:13] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:25:13] Rich Chelson:
On the hot asphalt. And granted, we walked fast. Oh, that's no lie.
[00:25:21] Unknown:
We freaking step too. But but, see, that's the thing, though. Parents nowadays and and not even just nowadays. This has been going on since
[00:25:31] Rich Chelson:
when Since the '90 the late nineties. Yeah. Well,
[00:25:35] Unknown:
yeah, it was I'd say somewhat of the parents of the late eighties Yeah. Early nineties. It it it it started slowly. Gen x. Yeah. Yeah. But but, yeah, they you know, because so, you know, the gen x are thought, oh my god. We had such a terrible life. And then now when they're 50,
[00:25:57] Rich Chelson:
they're so We're looking back going, holy smokes. We had an amazing life. We need to get these kids on that life again, but now we've slowly added our own neuroticism to, to the, to our kids, and our kids now have kids. And so we've got you know?
[00:26:14] Unknown:
Right.
[00:26:15] Rich Chelson:
We've got the, got the kids that are that are in the condition that they're in now, and it's you know? But the problem that we have is we could still correct it. You can still tell the kids, no. Y'all go outside. I poke my head out there. I better see y'all outside someplace, not in somebody's house.
[00:26:36] Unknown:
Right.
[00:26:38] Rich Chelson:
And, you know, put them out in the backyard. I mean, if you wanna makes make them safe, then, alright, there's the water sprinkler. There's the trampoline. Go. You can't you're you're outside for for the next five hours. Do not come in. Do not knock on the door. I will throw some baloney sandwiches out the front out the back door when it's lunchtime. Don't bother me till then.
[00:27:01] Unknown:
Did you just, suggest to drink out of the sprinkler?
[00:27:06] Rich Chelson:
Oh, dude. Come on. I used to drink off the damn trampoline. We thought that was funny. Just that they're Right. Spraying the trampoline. Right. Oh, no. No. I'm not dude, I'm not knocking it out. God knows what type of disease we were slurping in because, I mean, we had we had feet bouncing off of it. You had butts bouncing off of it. And, you know, we're just idiot kids. Just drink off and drink the water.
[00:27:32] Unknown:
Right. Oh, no. I I was the same way. I mean I mean, we drink. By god, we were thirsty if, we weren't near a garden hose or a water spigot. If we found a puddle of water,
[00:27:45] Rich Chelson:
by god, we were thirsty. We looked at it, made sure there weren't any wigglers. And, and if if there if there weren't, alright. Well, we'll grab a little handful. Don't dip all the way down or you get dirt in it, and you don't
[00:27:58] Unknown:
want that. No. No. But but yeah. No. I mean no. I'm I mean, I'm game, but now, oh my god. You know, parents just go nuts because, oh my god, it's it's it's not Perrier. You know? It's like yeah. It's fucking tap water in a bottle, people. Yeah.
[00:28:18] Rich Chelson:
But if you were to if we're if, you know, if you were to have MJ and just had him work with you for for twelve hours, three days straight, that kid when it's time for bed, he may say, no. I'm not tired, but the moment he sat still, he'd been out.
[00:28:40] Unknown:
Yeah. He would be. He would be.
[00:28:44] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. And that's just it. You're we the the kids need to move a lot more. Right. And that's one thing I keep telling my daughter is like, no. No. Get you know, have her take her outside. Let her go play in the backyard. Take some of the toys out there. Now you have to you're gonna have to go, you know, rake up the dog poo in the backyard a bit, but that's okay. She gets her hands in some. She'll she'll, she'll smell it for a bit, then beside that, she doesn't want it. So Well, unless she tries to eat it. Well, I mean, it's not gonna kill you. It's just gonna give you bad breath for a day or two. Right. Well, you know what? I your breath smells like shit. What the hell was that?
[00:29:26] Unknown:
Dude, I'm not I'm not saying I am innocent in this. Okay? I mean, I believe, I I remember, I think, I was, like, five, and I, yeah, got in trouble because, yeah, I, yeah, grabbed dog crap, and I'm not sure if I ate it or or if I was about to eat it before I got stopped. But yeah. You know?
[00:29:57] Rich Chelson:
Hey. You left. You learned.
[00:29:59] Unknown:
Right? Oh, yeah. I learned because I haven't done it since so far as I have.
[00:30:04] Rich Chelson:
You know? Absolutely. Well, I mean
[00:30:09] Unknown:
But, but yeah. No. It's, Yeah. It's, I I don't know. It's I wish I wish I wish I wish parents would do something different, but they weren't ray you see, that's the thing, though. They weren't raised with
[00:30:27] Rich Chelson:
with any of this. So Oh, you're right. They weren't raised with it. But at the same time, they need to understand that if Karen comes along and thinks she's gonna demand something, you need to start we need to get back into the Karen, mind your own freaking business portion of your hand, which is typically the backside of a hand.
[00:30:48] Unknown:
Right.
[00:30:50] Rich Chelson:
Give be start giving people a couple of smacks across the face and say, mind your own goddamn business. Right. I will mind mine. You mind yours. You stay on your side of the street. I'll stay on mine. Don't worry about what my kids do. Yell at them if they get on your property. Not on your sidewalk, on your property. I have no problem with you yelling at them for that. But Right. You know? Other than that, you know, no. Just ignore the kids. Leave them alone. They ain't hurting you. They're throwing rocks at each other. They're gonna realize one day that a rock to the head hurts, and then they'll stop.
And it leaves a mark too. Yeah. It does. Yeah. I could well, dirt clods hurt too. I thought I was gonna be smart and use a trash can lid as a as a shield, and I blocked one. The only problem was there was two of them coming at me at the same time. And I I got one. The second one, fool's eye in the middle of the in the middle of the forehead, Rock my head back and sat me on my ass.
[00:31:53] Unknown:
Say say say we used to have black walnut fights.
[00:31:58] Rich Chelson:
Oh god. Yeah. Some of my bit those hurt. Oh god. Those are hurt. Not nice. Well, whoever god was not in a good mood when he made those. Those will leave a mark. I care. They and and Well, yeah. I mean, they stay in your fingers if you're trying to peel them.
[00:32:14] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And and stain your fingers for two weeks, minimum. Yeah. Minimum two weeks. And I don't I don't lye soap will not get that stain out. Nope. I just stain.
[00:32:28] Rich Chelson:
I I don't know why God made them. I don't think I've ever known anybody to eat them. Oh, black walnuts? Oh my god. That shit's good, dude. I've not ever seen well, like I said, I've never we had a we have, had a friend, well, neighborhood friend. I'm gonna call him a friend, though they they we would get into walnut fights with each other because he had a black walnut tree in his yard. Right. Big one too. I mean, it dropped those damn green grenades all over the place. And, yeah, I mean, never saw they were always around. They were people always there, but nobody ever freaking ate them. Never picked them up. I didn't think I didn't think they were actually ever edible. Oh, yeah. Oh, it did. Well, I didn't realize until I was in my twenties that that was actually what that was. I just figured they were we used to call it the damn rock tree.
[00:33:24] Unknown:
No freaking black walnuts to buy them, you know, hold and, you know, and everything.
[00:33:30] Rich Chelson:
They're like $8.09, $10 a pound, dude. Well, no wonder because no one could get into them.
[00:33:36] Unknown:
Well, it it it it it it does take some practice, but,
[00:33:42] Rich Chelson:
Now granted, I I know that people have opened them up before because, I mean, my my grandmother would use the, use the shell with all the meat hollowed out. Uh-huh. She would use the use the shell for the face of an owl. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. She would take them. She'd glue it to the deal that she'd paint it up, and they'd have the body of an owl. And, I mean, she had these damn things all over the place. I never knew they were walnuts until one you know, until after I realized what a black walnut was and had one cracked open. I was like, oh, hey. I know that.
[00:34:18] Unknown:
Right. Right. But yeah. No. The, you see, the thing is the taste with the black walnut. And the reason why a lot of people don't like them is is because the taste is totally different from, like, an English walnut or or a regular walnut that that we're used to because the black walnut is sweet. It's a lot sweeter, but it's also tart at the same time. Oh, it's got a lot of tannin in it. Okay. And it's good. You know? I mean I mean, it is it I mean, honestly, you take black walnuts and put it in in, homemade ice cream while you're churning it. Oh oh my god. That is like, dude, we used to take black walnut because because my grandfather we had three black walnut trees in our backyard.
He had, he knew of well, up in Missouri, black walnut is fucking everywhere. So Right. Drive down the road and get, you know, 500 pounds of black walnuts in a minute. Seriously. I mean, you could get that much, and that's not counting what we got from our trees. Right? Right. So so my grandfather would, throw them all out in the driveway and dry them. He would hold them, you know, and and we would we'd help him, and we'd wear them thick rubber gloves, you know, that that you thought, you know,
[00:35:47] Rich Chelson:
you won't Yeah. So you to go the your dishes for dishes. Yeah. Oh, no. Even thicker. Oh, you're talking like the chemical gloves. Yes. And guess what? Bitch. Okay.
[00:35:57] Unknown:
That stain still came through. Yeah. That's fine. You were staying for two weeks minimum, but then he would lay them out in the driveway and dry them in the sun. And he would have to watch them because the squirrels, squirrels will fucking just tear him up in a minute. You know? And, but, yeah, he would dry him, and then he would take a a a sometimes a ball peen hammer or a 16 ounce, hammer and crack them on the side because there's a seam on there. Yeah. And if Yeah. And if you hit that, you can pop both halves out, then he'd take a a a pick and pick the walnuts out, clean it all out and everything like that, and he'd sit there and do that during walnut season, and then they'd freeze them. And then the next summer, oh my god.
It was homemade ice cream making. We had black wanted ice cream. Oh my god. Oh, I still remember that, dude, still. What? 40 god. I was, what, 10? 10, 11 years old when we had that shit. Oh, man. It was good. Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. And and, you know, if you find them, get a pound. You know? Just just buy one pound because they're expensive.
[00:37:23] Rich Chelson:
And Yeah. They are. You can eat them
[00:37:26] Unknown:
raw by themselves, which Right. Which are good. They do have different taste, or put them get some vanilla ice cream and put them in there. Stick them in there and
[00:37:37] Rich Chelson:
swish it around for a little bit and then let it freeze.
[00:37:41] Unknown:
Get her done, man. So Oh my god. I'm telling you. It's it I mean, it's it's good. But most people don't like the taste because they just taste totally different. And, I mean, I get it, but, you know, that's where I think everyone should just like them.
[00:37:59] Duuude-Ron :
Right.
[00:38:00] Unknown:
You know?
[00:38:02] Rich Chelson:
But yeah. Well, well, we we used to I know about, I did know about about the fact that you could actually eat them. Like I said, not until I was older, but, and stuff. But another thing we used to go off another natural weapon we would go off and use, we would go off and get a stick and and put a, nail on the end of it. And so it's basically kinda like a trash picker upper.
[00:38:24] Unknown:
Right.
[00:38:25] Rich Chelson:
Except we'd use it to pick up Osage oranges, heat them at each other. The only rule on that was not a space.
[00:38:35] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. We were not allowed to have sharp objects in our sticks. Sounds bad enough because we'd poke ourselves with the sticks by themselves. We didn't need that.
[00:38:45] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. If you if you had a pocket knife, well, you could just take a normal stick and sharpen it up and and use it to stab the, the the horse apples.
[00:38:54] Unknown:
But Right. Oh, yeah. Oh, god. Those things fucking hurt.
[00:38:58] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Yeah. Those those things really fucking hurt. Yeah. But Which and the funny thing is is I've heard of OSA joints, and I've heard of horse apples. And I'd also heard of of, of Bodark fence posts. Bodark fence posts. Yeah. They're they're just old. They're fence posts that most, in the Panhandle, a lot of farmers love that will have our will use Bo D'Arc fence posts.
[00:39:29] Unknown:
K. Never heard of those. Okay. Well
[00:39:33] Rich Chelson:
and if you go around a lot of places, you see L'Od The Arc. Alright? It's, French for, bow wood or wooden bow.
[00:39:45] Unknown:
Okay.
[00:39:46] Rich Chelson:
Those are all the same damn things. Really? I did not yeah. I didn't realize this until about a year ago, thanks to my friend John. Tell tell me the about how they were gonna go pick up some, some bowdart. And I was like, oh, bowdart. Man, I hadn't thought of bowdart forever. Man, that makes some good fence posts. He's like, good fence posts? Those are supposed to be some of the best, bow wood that you could find for making, wooden bows. It's like, really? Hadn't not ever thought. I was like, well, yeah. That's why they're called Boa D'Arc. And I and it dawned on me. It's like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. You're saying Boa D'Arc.
Boa D'Arc. Well, yeah, that's actually how Texas pronounce it. It's not Boa D'Arc. You like the French say it. It's Boa D'Arc. So the town that's in in Oklahoma because there's a town called that, I've seen, and I've always called it Boa D'Arc. But, apparently, it's actually supposed to be pronounced Bois D'Arc. I don't know if it is. I haven't gone over there to ask anybody to find out if I get punched for saying it the wrong way. But, but it yeah. It's, apparently, Bois D'Arc is also known as Osage. And Osage is what the Osage Indians and, actually, it was a prized wood. If you found a Osage tree, you you're going to you almost guarantee that you're gonna that's the one that the Indians are gonna go find. They're gonna cut off a limb, and that's what they're gonna use for their bows.
Because it's strong but flexible enough that you could actually use it as a for a bow.
[00:41:32] Unknown:
Okay.
[00:41:33] Rich Chelson:
But it also is very like I said, it's very strong. So the farmers love to use it for their for their fence posts and more specifically, the corner posts of their of their, other fences. Because apparently, it held up real well to weathering. It's almost like cedar where it would it would, it actually wouldn't doesn't rot the same way as other, other woods do.
[00:42:00] Unknown:
Right. Right.
[00:42:04] Rich Chelson:
But, yeah, it's but, yeah, I do I that was the biggest odd 2024, that was the that was the word of the day for for that year. Word of the year. It was was, what? Bow dart, Osage, and and the wooden bow were all the same damn thing, and that they all produced horse apples.
[00:42:34] Unknown:
That's crazy.
[00:42:35] Rich Chelson:
So now every time I see a horse apple tree, I'm like, hey. I know what that is. That's an Osage tree. I I still haven't gotten around to getting a getting a saw ready. So if I see one in a place that's in a public area, I can run over there and go saw off a a good sized limb so I can turn it into a bow. That would be cool. Yeah. I'd like to I'd like to hand make a bow, just once. Right. And I know that it takes a lot because it because it is a it is a fine art, to be a bowyer. Right. So but I'd love to I'd love to just make one and, you know, find a find a, someone go, like, over to, our local butcher, deer and deer season and and grab a bunch of, a bunch of the sinew that he's that he has whenever you, butcher a deer because that's you use that as the backing for the bow so that it has a little more strength.
Right. And a little more snap whenever it, because you'll you apply it and let it dry. And when it dries, it's it shrinks, and so it it really pulls in the, the the the wood a little bit better. So whenever you let go of the the bowstrings, even more energy is transferred to your arrow.
[00:44:00] Unknown:
Right. Right. So No. That would be cool. You know? But, yeah, I didn't know I didn't know that. Now, okay, let me ask you this question. What is your definition of a of a horse apple?
[00:44:18] Rich Chelson:
It is a green brain Yep. Brain big green, fruit that comes off off the tree that looks like a big green brain.
[00:44:28] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I was I was I was I was wanting to make sure we were on the same page. On the same page. Yeah. When you stabbed it, it had the white milky latex substance. Yes. And and, honestly, it's, it's a very good to, repel spiders.
[00:44:45] Rich Chelson:
Oh, is it? Yes. It is. Oh, yeah. If I was the size of a spider and I had one of those flinging at me, I'd be running too. No. You don't have to throw it at them.
[00:44:56] Unknown:
No. You just you just get some and and, put them on the floor in your house, you know, in corners or whatnot. And it, and in your closet or whatnot, it'll keep spiders and, pests away. It's a yeah. It's a, yeah, it's a natural pest repellent.
[00:45:17] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. If I was to do that in our house, we'd end up having the the the local spider union four thirteen protest down in my front
[00:45:26] Unknown:
yard. Right.
[00:45:30] Rich Chelson:
Right. They'd be upset. Oh, yeah. They would. Because, I mean, heck, I've got at least mainly the part the the the gorilla spiders, are are the number one guys that hang out in my in my house. And I mean yeah. I I I admit I don't take care of my house the way I should. Right. And that's also because, heck, I like gorilla spiders. They they catch the they catch all the flies. So, you know, yeah. Yeah. Well, no. And and you see my eaves and my along my ceiling, they're they're a little wooly, but but that's okay.
[00:46:02] Unknown:
Yeah. But see okay. The thing is people, you know, flip out over spiders and stuff like that, and, actually, there's nothing you know, you know, when when you say spiders actually are a good thing in a house, they actually are. Oh, yeah. Pretty much so. But but the thing is everyone automatically goes to, oh my god. It's a brown recluse.
[00:46:26] Rich Chelson:
You've never seen a fucking brown recluse. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We got a lot of it in our house. No. No. You do. Okay.
[00:46:33] Unknown:
Okay. But but I'm I'm talking about out in the basement, so we're we're okay. Right. But no. I'm talking about city people. Oh, yeah. That's that's the first that's the first kind of spider.
[00:46:49] Rich Chelson:
They've never seen one. No. Or they think or that because they see a little black, gorilla spider, they're like, oh, it's a black widow. Yeah. No. It's not a Black widows don't have hair.
[00:47:03] Unknown:
You don't. Yeah. Trust me. When you see a black widow, you'll You'll know. You'll fuck them with it. Exactly. You will know it. I've seen a couple of them. And and I tell you what, those are they're serious.
[00:47:19] Rich Chelson:
Isn't that? I don't as well. No. I won't either. I I've had I've had one black widow actually in the house, and down, again, down the basement. And, yeah, that's granted, I am I'm I'm typically a believer of killings. It's bad luck to kill a spider in the house. But sorry. Those motherfuckers are dead in my house. Right. I've only found one. She got mushed, and, and with with no with no, no sorry to sorry to do this. It was just unceremoniously squish, and we're good. Brown recluses, the same way. I do kinda look at them, though, to make sure the brown recluses. Right. Right. I know hobo spiders give you a really pow a painful bite also, but they're nowhere near as dangerous as what a, recluse is.
Right. But
[00:48:14] Unknown:
but saying and say, you know, you know, like you said, spiders, you know, the one spiders, you have catch the flies, which I mean, that's awesome. And and, you know, spiders are are naturally that's what they're there for. They catch insects and eat the insects. Mhmm. You know? Oh, and
[00:48:35] Rich Chelson:
and scare the shit out of you if you've got if you get some wolf spiders that are about, you know, about a inch and a half in in in length.
[00:48:44] Unknown:
See those big ass on the bitches. You're like, oh, okay. You're alright. Go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen a few wolf spiders that big, and I've kinda been like, yo. Oh, okay. Alright. I'm good. It's like, yo, dude. You need the the moose anyway. Yeah. You know?
[00:49:01] Rich Chelson:
Stay hidden, please. I don't mind you here. Just stay hidden.
[00:49:04] Unknown:
Right. Right. But yeah. And see, that's the thing, though. Most people, you know, you know, they just they don't realize why these smaller animals like this, like spiders and, you know, others, were are on this earth. You know? Right. And, I mean, you know, because every creature has a purpose
[00:49:29] Rich Chelson:
except for mosquitoes. I I don't know what what purpose they have except to drink our blood. No. Their purpose is to is to make sure that the frogs have something to eat. And the bats. The bats. The bats eat a lot of and a lot of skiers.
[00:49:43] Unknown:
Well, yeah, that's true. That's true. Will the birds eat skaters?
[00:49:51] Rich Chelson:
I you know, honestly, I don't know. I just I I I assume I mean, if, if a frog will and, and and bats do, so I I'm sure that there's probably, you probably have something like, like nighthawks because they actually are fairly accurate fairly small birds, so they actually eat insects too. So I bet you they probably take up quite a few skeeters.
[00:50:16] Unknown:
Okay. But no. It just I don't know that. I mean, there's just certain critters that it's like, I'm not I'm not gonna let them in my house. You know? I'm just not. Now now one thing I've noticed down here, and and I hope I don't jinx myself by saying this, but this year well, I mean, we're just crawling out of winter as as much as I can actually say that with a straight face. But, I, in this house, I really haven't seen any spiders or mice, or I think it's too hot for the mice. They say no. But some No. No. Come out.
[00:51:02] Rich Chelson:
No. They, they're I mean, y'all y'all there's my, I mean, there's my server work. I mean, there's Right.
[00:51:08] Unknown:
Well, I'm just saying I haven't seen any.
[00:51:13] Rich Chelson:
Even if because there's those two cats that you don't know about.
[00:51:16] Unknown:
Oh, shit. Dude, we've got cats running all around over here. Oh, man. In this neighborhood, I I know of about four or five cats. So yeah. And there is not a mouse problem at all. But, no, it just it just you know? I don't know. I mean I mean, I don't like bugs in my house. A lot of bugs. Flies, I can't stand flies. Oh, I can't stand flies. Yeah. And and and and roaches, no. No. I don't do roaches. No. My house my house doesn't have cockroaches.
[00:51:50] Rich Chelson:
Now they do have wood roaches down here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Those things will scare the shit out of you because you think they're just gonna run around until they fly.
[00:51:59] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. And and I've seen some big motherfuckers down here. I'm talking Mhmm. They stand an eighth of an inch off the wall. Right? Okay. About an inch, inch and a half long. And that fucker's just on the wall right there, and it's like, yeah. What's up, dude? Smoking a cigarette, drinking a scotch and water. You know? Exactly. Fuck you, buddy. You're dead. You better enjoy that cigarette and that scotch.
[00:52:28] Rich Chelson:
Better just stay right out here and enjoy the wood because you ain't getting anything inside my house. Right. I get you there, you're gonna be mushed. Mhmm.
[00:52:38] Unknown:
Yeah. No. When when I was looking at houses, me and my realtor walked in in this one house, and I walked in this one room. And this son of bitch was right in the smack dab middle of the wall. And I was like, holy fuck. What the hell? And Linda turned around and said, oh, it's just a wood rope. And I said, that's the biggest motherfucker I'd ever seen.
[00:53:06] Rich Chelson:
And ever seen a Madagascar hiss hissing cockroach? No. Seems even bigger. Talking about two and a half, three inches long. Oh, hell no. An inch wide. Yeah. It would be You pick them up, and they fuckers hiss at you.
[00:53:24] Unknown:
No. Let me see. I wouldn't pick them up. My size ten fucking shoe would be smooshing them. No. He would hiss his last hiss. No. No. I don't. I don't I don't do that. But but yeah. No. No. Other than that, I I just, you know, I I mean I mean, bugs are here for a reason. I just don't like bugs in my house.
[00:53:53] Rich Chelson:
Right.
[00:53:54] Unknown:
You know? So so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Horse apples? I haven't found any down here. I might I might have to run up north and see if I can find some because I'm damn sure not buying them on the Internet because you can, believe it or not. Dollar a piece last last time I checked. Yeah. People sell horse apples. Yes. I'm like, really? I mean, freaking really. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Grab me a load of horse apples and, sell them in, Amarillo. City people will buy them up.
[00:54:35] Rich Chelson:
You ever seen any of those, those giant red headed, centipedes there and and yet?
[00:54:42] Unknown:
No. I haven't. No?
[00:54:44] Rich Chelson:
Nope. That'll that'll scare the shit out of you. I've seen one in in what since living here in Oklahoma. Okay. Yeah. No. I I have not yeah. You're probably right. That one would probably scare the shit out of me. Yeah. I mean, and and that was just one of the things that's growing up living in in this house, it's had several things that I've come across that I just never would have thought I'd ever see. One, about once, sometimes twice a year, we'll we'll find a scorpion in the house.
[00:55:17] Unknown:
Okay.
[00:55:19] Rich Chelson:
And live growing up in in Sunray until well, until I moved into the this house, I have never seen a scorpion in the wild Okay. Until I lived in this house, and I will and I don't know why they love my sink, but they do. I will find one in my sink every goddamn time. Really? Yeah. It'll about like I said, about once, twice a week. It's usually around spring. It's about time for us to find another one. Okay. But, but find one in the sink. And it's like, god dang it. So I'll go off. I'll get a I'll get a piece of paper or something. Not and and and they're they're beneficial too. They're they they hurt like hell if they sting you because the the they're the little guys. But I I get them swept over onto the onto the dustpan, and I'll carry them out to the out to the field that's, across the, the or the yard. It's not a field, but, the yard that's behind the behind the house, and I'll take them and throw them throw them out in the middle of there. Heck, I've even thrown had a couple pocket gophers being brought in by the by the cat, so I've taken them and trapped them inside of a inside of a bucket. So they those little fuckers remain.
So Pocket gopher. What's a pocket gopher? Pocket gopher. Ugly little fuck. This is what a this is what a pocket gopher is. What what is it? Well, it looks a lot like a mole, except he's got these, insanely large front front, teeth and stuff. And, I mean, like I said, they they're you would think this damn thing's a 20 pounds and and, you know, standing five foot two as as as tough as you'd think he is. And then, I mean, he's got these big old huge old, clawed, paws on his front because that's what they dig with. Right. And, a lot of people think think of moles, but now these are these are pocket gophers. And anytime you're walking dry you're in, in Oklahoma, if you see just random little piles of dirt Yeah. That's that's sign that you've got a pocket go from running around there somewhere.
That's a mole to me. Well, yeah. We but moles are typically black. These are kinda more of a mouse color. Okay. Okay. So, say, hell, yeah. I've taken a few of those and thrown them out in the back. I mean, hell, yeah. You'd think be it living in in an old town that we'd we would have less, less wildlife as than we do. But, hell, we've had well, I think I mentioned it last week, but, hell, we've got a, we've got a skunk that lives somewhere around the house.
[00:58:02] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You did say something about that last week. So we've got
[00:58:07] Rich Chelson:
everybody keeps taking we're we're driving neigh mother nature away. Bullshit. They're invading. Alright?
[00:58:14] Unknown:
Well, they just moved to y'all's town because they know
[00:58:18] Rich Chelson:
there ain't no building going on in your town. Well, there ain't no building, but hell, we're I even went ahead and, whenever I started seeing that skunk around, I was I went ahead and, have a one of the, county sheriffs that lives in the, lives in that town. And I went over, and I was talking to him. I was like, hey. If there's a skunk running around and bothering the, bothering property, Can I shoot them with a nine millimeters? Like, well, yeah. You can shoot them with a nine millimeter. Just know that if that nine that slug bounces off and hits somebody else or does any damage to something else, you're liable. It's like, point taken. BB gun it is. So
[00:58:54] Unknown:
Well, either way, that's, I mean, that's a given.
[00:58:58] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Well, it it was a given, but, yeah, it's just the fact that he's he's basically said, yeah. You gotta shoot the damn thing. Shoot the damn thing. Just, again, like everybody you know, the rule rule of guns, know what's your backstop, what's behind what's beyond your target.
[00:59:13] Unknown:
So Yeah. That's that's that should be number one. You know? But Yeah. Well,
[00:59:21] Rich Chelson:
and if you're raised round guns, you know that. If you ain't raised round guns, that quickly becomes a, a a a, a learning lesson.
[00:59:31] Unknown:
So Right. Right. Dude, you made it. Close it
[00:59:37] Duuude-Ron :
up. Finally.
[00:59:40] Unknown:
Yeah. I know. It's
[00:59:43] Duuude-Ron :
Putting out more dumpster fires, putting dwell trying to control the dumpster fire and not anyway, Yeah. More fires. Oh, yeah. That's alright. That's my life. Nothing but fire. Forest fires, dumpster fire, anything but a campfire. Would love to have a campfire. And I got the a campfire. I know I do. I have I have one. It's, you know, one of the the metal ones that has the the the metal legs and then has that dome over the top that's, metal mesh. I'm sure you've seen them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Fire pits? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fire pit. I have one of those. I just need to pull it out and you know? And knowing my luck, if I put it in the front of the house, in the front yard and start up a fire, somebody's gonna fucking call the goddamn fire department.
[01:00:44] Rich Chelson:
Well, yeah, if it's if it's dry. Yeah. For sure. For sure.
[01:00:49] Unknown:
But why? Because it has that mesh on it, which is a spark arrestor.
[01:00:55] Rich Chelson:
Because that's that's a fire. You're not allowed to have a fire. That's fire. What if it burns burns something down? What if it burns your house down?
[01:01:07] Duuude-Ron :
That, you know yeah. And I'm the and, of course, I'm my fault. Gonna be. Yeah. And it's not that I'm gonna be fucking out there with a cup of coffee watching it. That would make no fucking sense whatsoever that they would fucking see somebody sitting next to it with a cup of coffee. Come on. They
[01:01:33] Unknown:
they don't see you with your cup of coffee, dude. They just see the fire and, like, oh my god. It's a three alarm. Yes. Of course. Yes. Now they don't see the old white haired dude holding a big ass cup of coffee standing two feet away warming his nuts. Oh, no. They don't see that. They just see Of course not. They just see, oh my god. It's nuts roasting
[01:01:58] Rich Chelson:
by an open fire.
[01:02:01] Duuude-Ron :
That's exactly what it would be, an open fire without a fucking doubt.
[01:02:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. That's why that's why when I lived up north, that Uh-huh. That's why I loved living out out in the county, you know, as as much as I loved living up there. I mean, I did enjoy that out in the county because I had a tractor wheel. I'm talking a big ass tractor wheel, and I had an open fire. I didn't have no metal mesh on top of it. It I mean, the flames
[01:02:36] Rich Chelson:
you know? I mean, I never went where they wanted to go.
[01:02:39] Unknown:
Pretty much. Yeah.
[01:02:41] Duuude-Ron :
You think I'm gonna well, I don't have the metal mesh piece anymore, so it would be an open fire.
[01:02:47] Unknown:
Okay. Well, that's, I mean This is my motherfucking ass.
[01:02:51] Duuude-Ron :
I'm roasting my nuts. K? Do you see that? Nuts and marshmallows make, make, schmo nuts. Schmoe nuts? That's good. Schmoe nuts. Instead of s'mores,
[01:03:10] Rich Chelson:
schmoe nuts. God.
[01:03:13] Unknown:
Schmoe nuts. Oh, shit. That that's a good one, dude. Oh, lord.
[01:03:23] Rich Chelson:
Show show title.
[01:03:26] Unknown:
Oh, shit. How do you spell that?
[01:03:29] Rich Chelson:
S m o Schmo is s c h m o e.
[01:03:35] Duuude-Ron :
Oh, you gotta be fucking original now. Yeah. You're right. S c h m o yeah. Okay.
[01:03:43] Unknown:
Schmo nuts. Schmo nuts.
[01:03:46] Duuude-Ron :
Schmo nuts.
[01:03:49] Unknown:
Damn. That's crazy.
[01:03:51] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. But that would be my fucking luck, though, that, you know, everything everything else in my life is a dumpster fire or forest fire, but I can't just have a a nice campfire in front of my house. You know, behind my house, they'd probably think the house is on fucking fire. But I told one of my neighbors, if you ever see smoke, you better fucking investigate it first. It's not gonna be a fucking house. It's gonna be Right. Fire pit. You know? Yeah. You know? Look over the fence if you see flames. Right. And now if they're coming out of the roof, you know, please call me and let me know. I would really appreciate that. Because then I would not be roasting shmoe nuts.
You know, I'd be probably be roasting something else.
[01:04:47] Unknown:
Yeah. I know. I just,
[01:04:49] Rich Chelson:
yeah, some people, they just they just flip over that shit. Yeah. Oh, essentially, it ties real nicely into what we were talking about because we started off talking about how kids need to be able to run wild, be free range kids again.
[01:05:04] Unknown:
And then and then we was talking about horse apples and walnut walnut fights, horse apple fights. So what are some what what are some ways,
[01:05:12] Rich Chelson:
original fights that, that you used to have there, Ron? Original what? What type of, some original ways that y'all would have you would have fights with the neighborhood kids?
[01:05:25] Duuude-Ron :
Oh, for I tell you what. In our let's see. Between let's see. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven houses. So 14 houses. Seven on one side, seven on the other. We had, like, 22 kids on my block. That's just my block. Right. So we would have everybody have their bicycles. So we have bicycle races. We go down. We'd start at the street light, which is right across the street from my house. And, of course, when you had all those bikes lined up, they took the entire
[01:06:09] Rich Chelson:
fucking width of the
[01:06:11] Duuude-Ron :
to tire width of the street. Right? So and we were all within, you know, a grade up, you know
[01:06:20] Rich Chelson:
Grain or two of each other?
[01:06:22] Duuude-Ron :
Yes. Exactly. So you had some that were, you know, younger siblings, etcetera, etcetera. But we all be on the bike, hogging up the fucking road, and we'd haul ass down to down three houses, turn into that driveway, turn out the next house's driveway because we'd be using the sidewalk, turn into the next driveway, and our in front of our property, the sidewalk had tented, making a fucking ramp.
[01:06:56] Rich Chelson:
Oh, okay. So you had an had an elm tree that got a little too close to the surface.
[01:07:00] Duuude-Ron :
No. There was no trees whatsoever. It just tinted. Yeah. So
[01:07:08] Rich Chelson:
because ours was all we our ours had, our sidewalk had a couple of tended up areas, and that was because there was an elm tree planted right there, and the root was just going through just pushing the, the concrete up. That's why I was thinking that.
[01:07:22] Duuude-Ron :
Yep. But and but we didn't have a tree, but it tended anyway. So that was that was our ramp. And then we go out our driveway, go up the street, into the next driveway, out that driveway, and then come hauling back down the street. And that was one lap.
[01:07:46] Rich Chelson:
And y'all did that all day until the mosquito truck come by, and then everyone start falling behind the mosquito truck.
[01:07:53] Duuude-Ron :
You know, we never had mosquito trucks up in Lincoln. Really?
[01:07:58] Rich Chelson:
Yes. Really. Never had a problem. Smell of, a diesel fog was what we they made on ours. They they would just drive up and down, and it was just a, it was a fogger of diesel. Or Right. Well, it may not have been diesel. It may have may have been, oh, what is it? Malathion because that smells a bit like diesel too. But yeah. Right. Either way, we always got in trouble because we were falling behind it.
[01:08:26] Duuude-Ron :
Oh, yeah. That's kinda like, sniffing the, oh, Airplane glue. No. Not airplane glue. Well, yeah, the airplane glue too. Yeah. You're right about that. The, mimeograph,
[01:08:42] Rich Chelson:
not the mimeograph. What's the Yeah. Yeah. Mimeograph. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it's called. The the purple ink off of the mimeograph cover. Yes. And, hell, she got man. That stuff smelled amazing. Yeah. And then it was I couldn't re describe the smell to you. Oh, and that's the I don't think anybody could actually describe it.
[01:09:06] Duuude-Ron :
No. But It was it was its own unique smell. Yeah. And But just Damn. It smelled great. Yeah. Everybody sat there and smelled the paper. As a matter of fact, there was a scene in, Ridgemont. Times of Ridgemont High. Yeah. Yep. Of that right there. So, yeah, that was, you know, the the high factor. So, you know, but, of course, the glue thing and, you know yeah. But okay. So that was one. We had skateboards, and we'd, there was a a different road just right around right around the corner from us that had a really good decline right by our house.
So we're getting skateboards, and we are hauling down that street as far as far as we could go. And if you made made it to the top of the first hill, the next downward part, you'd you'd almost be a mile from the house. So and then skating that, and then the part that really sucked is having to walk all the way back up. All the way back up. Yeah. Yeah. Kinda like, you know, kinda like sledding. It's great going down, but it sucks coming back up. Well, my son
[01:10:42] Rich Chelson:
that remind me. My son when we lived in Hamilton, my son had a had a little friend. Her name is Taylor, and they would they just played just, you know, nonstop in the summer. And, he's about four, whenever, and stuff, whenever we lived there. And where we lived was a, the house rolled down. It went, was actually on the side, kind of the side of a hill. And, I mean, it wasn't like a vertical, but it was it they had a the road went downhill at a pretty good clip and then would cross another another, a, a minor road, and then it would wind up at the, at the Bulldog Stadium, which is where Hamilton, Hamilton's high school played.
Okay. So it wasn't Main Street? No. It wasn't Main Street. Thank god. Because well, you've been to Hamilton. You know how busy Hamilton is.
[01:11:47] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. I drove through it today. Yeah. Okay.
[01:11:51] Rich Chelson:
So but, Main Street have to go 30 fucking miles an hour. Yep. Geez. So if you were to keep going like you're heading down towards Lampasas, alright, and you went down that road, you would see the, you would see a little barbecue smoke, smokehouse joint right across the street from Ace Hart not Ace Hardware, but, True Value Hardware. Okay. I'll have to believe you because I'm not gonna drive that truck around that small ass town. Oh, come on, man. Gee whiz. I'm giving you a good location here. So but, anyhow, right behind right behind that that smoke, that smoke house, that little, smoke shop there is our well, the house we call it the Happy House. We just had so much good so many good times in that house.
But, but anyhow, that's that hill that goes down and over to the, to the stadium is is the one I'm talking about. And so him and his friend, Taylor, I peeked at my I was kinda wondering what they're doing because I wasn't here much. I poked out just in time to see them hop on to that damn the his damn wagon going downhill. I was like, oh my god. And he was just they both were just yeah. I don't know how he didn't wreck. I guess he locked his arms up or something. But, boy, he was just, and I was I was scared to death. There's gonna be a car that come along that, that side road. Oh my god.
They rolled, went through, hit the, hit the curb, dumped themselves out. They all rolled around for a little bit, got up, spit on the boo boos and and, and stuff and started pulling the whack. I was like, got them at if they got back up there, they acted like they're getting ready to do it again. I was like, oh, that looks let's let's not do that. And then then they were like, you fucking party pooper. Well, I'm sure they did it a couple more times. Well, actually, I know they did because, the neighbor lady loved Jayden.
She he was just the greatest thing known to man according to her. And, they would, on during football season, shit. What was her name? Catherine. Catherine's her name. So, anyhow, miss Catherine, would come by, and she would ask ask if, she could take Jaden to the to the ballgame. I was like, yeah. Sure. So what they would do is they would go over to her house, and she had a porch that faced the football field. And they would sit there and have Coke and cookies and watch football game from her house. Oh, there you go.
So yeah. Oh, miss Catherine, she's my, she was a pretty cool gal.
[01:14:46] Duuude-Ron :
Alright.
[01:14:47] Rich Chelson:
But, yeah, she was eleventy back in 02/2002. So
[01:14:52] Duuude-Ron :
Eleventy,
[01:14:52] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Eleventy. She was she was old. So
[01:14:57] Duuude-Ron :
So dirt didn't have shit on her?
[01:14:59] Rich Chelson:
Nope. Nope. Nope. She was around when it was first being thought of. So I think she may even add a hand in in in creating it. Well, that I think she babysit that Jesus wants too.
[01:15:16] Duuude-Ron :
Wouldn't doubt yeah. Wouldn't doubt it.
[01:15:19] Rich Chelson:
Would not doubt it. So what do y'all think of the Gene Hackman thing?
[01:15:25] Duuude-Ron :
Haven't heard shit.
[01:15:27] Rich Chelson:
Me neither. What's up? Well, Gene Hackman died.
[01:15:31] Unknown:
What?
[01:15:32] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. No way. Yep. He died two weeks ago, and they just discovered him yesterday. Oh, no. Yep. No. Him, his wife, and one of their dogs. They have three dogs. Him, his wife, one of the dogs were all dead. What happened? It's not well, what they're thinking is that, and so far, they don't have any idea because they're still just into the entrance, beginning of the investigation. But they're thinking that, from what I was able to pick up from, from daily mail is that there's a chance Gene Hackman because he was found in the in the, the mudroom. His cane was there and, beside him and all that. And they're thinking he must have tripped, fell, and hit his head or and and something and died from the from that injury or something. Right. And the only thing the they're thinking that his wife saw that he had died, and in her distraughtness, took, took some pills because she has a bunch of they said that there was several pills strung about, in, in, the other room.
[01:16:58] Unknown:
Yeah. That I it's
[01:17:00] Rich Chelson:
Maybe. Yes. Possibly. But at the same time, that still doesn't explain the dog. Yeah. Exactly. But they're saying it wasn't, it wasn't, foul play. So it wasn't murder suicide. And why would they kill one dog, but not all three dogs? So there's just it's like, holy smokes. But, yeah, they found him that he was been they had been dead for about two weeks and partially mummified because, well, they live in Santa Fe, so it's cool, dry air. Right. Right. So they partially had started to decompose, but was also partially mummified. So Right. But still still the thing is okay.
[01:17:43] Unknown:
I think I I mean, just just by what you said and yeah. I looked it up here, and it's it says scattered pills found near body of Jean Hackman's wife. You know, something tells me that, no. There's there's foul play involved. They're just because the dog dying too? No.
[01:18:04] Rich Chelson:
Well, they're also thinking maybe there was a carbon monoxide leak or something like that. And so
[01:18:12] Unknown:
But okay. That well, now
[01:18:16] Rich Chelson:
I don't know. But the other two dogs somehow were still alive when they were when everybody was discovered.
[01:18:23] Unknown:
Yeah. See there. So that would because because carbon monoxide is not held to one area. It spreads. So, yeah, I don't know. I just I just I just I don't agree with their assessment as of right now.
[01:18:43] Duuude-Ron :
Well and I'm sure once they get done with the autopsy, it's gonna show pretty much everything.
[01:18:49] Rich Chelson:
Well, yes. Oh my gosh. Really? US, on, Daily Mail, they're breaking. Pam Bondi releases the Jeffrey Epstein files and long waited document dump after warning the files are pretty sick.
[01:19:06] Unknown:
Really?
[01:19:07] Rich Chelson:
Yep. Pam Bondi began the, phase one of the releasing the long awaited mysterious files related to the pedophile financier of Jeffrey Epstein, Thursday evening. The first wave of documents posted by on the justice department's website have largely, been circulating in public domain for years and so far yet to include any new bombshells. What we're, what we're gonna see hopefully tomorrow is a lot of flight logs, a lot of names, a lot of information, Bobby told, Fox on Wednesday. But, it's pretty sick, that, what that man did along with his codefendant, referring to, Ghislaine Maxwell.
The the officially declassified material, it which I'm still wondering, why did they classify it?
[01:19:54] Unknown:
Because it has high ranking officials in the government probably on that list.
[01:20:00] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. Exactly. They're they were just keeping the name because it was classified, just keeping the names of the people of the billionaires and millionaires and high ranking politicians Right. That was frequency that location.
[01:20:19] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Well, it says officially declassified material includes flight logs, Epstein's infamous contact book, an evidence list, and a masseuse list. Contact list, which is previously circulated in various forms, shows redacted information as dozens of Hollywood and political and fashion elites. Names of who are in the address book include Mick Jagger, Michael Jackson, Alec Baldwin, Ethel Kennedy, Andrew Cuomo, no no. Naomi Campbell, and I can say the name right, Courtney Love, both, Weinsteins, Harvey and Bob, the late senator Ted Kennedy, Ralph Fiennes, Alan Dershowitz. Ralph Fiennes. No. Not, not Snape. Baltimore.
So yeah. Let's see. Dustin Hoffman, Donald Trump's late first wife, Ivana, and daughter Ivanka Trump were included among the contacts. President himself is not listed.
[01:21:14] Unknown:
Right. But see, that's the thing, though. I mean, did now what and during all of this, so, did the people that, went out to this island, you know, could they have done something else other than what is thought to have believed to have been done on this island?
[01:21:45] Rich Chelson:
I think I think so. Especially, like, with Ivanka and all them. I think they I think they I don't think anything nefarious actually happened. I think you if there was somebody he wanted to, wanted to extort from, I bet because everybody says that his, his compounds had were the rooms in the compound. All of them were were mic'd and and had cameras covering every square inch.
[01:22:11] Unknown:
Oh, wow. Okay. I mean yeah. Because, you know, that's the thing. You know, some people might have gone out there for, you know, who knows what. But but like I said, it it it wasn't nefarious.
[01:22:26] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. There's no. Epstein may have been having a gala, and he he invited x x x y y and z, but, you know, they were there for the gala and left. Right. So who knows?
[01:22:47] Unknown:
Yeah. And, I mean, we might find out. We might not.
[01:22:53] Rich Chelson:
You
[01:22:57] Duuude-Ron :
know, they need to fucking start spending a little bit of time fucking chopping up the fucking Bidens. I'm sure that I'm sure that they will get there shortly.
[01:23:14] Unknown:
You know what, dude? In the end, yeah, they can do that all they want, but, in the end, they'll just get them on tax evasion.
[01:23:25] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. That's fine. Oh, okay. And that's fine. How did, Al Capone go to prison? It wasn't for bootlegging. It wasn't for murder. It wasn't for extorting. It wasn't for racketeering or the gambling.
[01:23:42] Unknown:
I know. It was tax evasion.
[01:23:44] Duuude-Ron :
Tax evasion. Yep. So that's fine. Put them all in fucking prison for tax evasion.
[01:23:51] Unknown:
Right. That's fine. That's, like, five years. You know? That that's like that's like Hunter Biden. He got, sent to prison for tax evasion.
[01:24:04] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. And then daddy fucking hardened him.
[01:24:08] Unknown:
Well yeah. But see, that's the thing now. You know, when when when you got, you know, people that have done some really bad stuff, and it can be proven in a court of law. And it and it gets pled down to tax evasion, which is, yes, still a felony. It's blah blah blah. But for for rich people, it doesn't matter. Okay. But what about the regular people like you and me? We're not gonna get it for tax evasion.
[01:24:47] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. Of course not. We're not part of the politically elite.
[01:24:52] Unknown:
Right.
[01:24:55] Duuude-Ron :
My I know. My yeah. No. I would not I cannot be a politician because I'm not politically correct or incorrect or any part thereof. You know, I just couldn't be a politician.
[01:25:14] Unknown:
Right.
[01:25:18] Duuude-Ron :
I don't wear suits very well. Shit. I don't even have a fucking suit.
[01:25:24] Unknown:
Well, why not, dude?
[01:25:26] Duuude-Ron :
Because I'm gonna be buried in shorts and a fucking T shirt. No. I'm not even Of course. No. I'm not gonna be buried. I'm gonna be cremated. So what the hell is the difference of what the fuck I got on anyway? Well, you know It's gonna be a pile of ash.
[01:25:44] Unknown:
Yeah. But the thing is, there's a showing, so people have to come see you. So
[01:25:50] Duuude-Ron :
I'm not having a showing.
[01:25:52] Rich Chelson:
But you ain't gonna have a say in the matter, dude.
[01:25:55] Unknown:
Well, you ain't right. I
[01:25:57] Rich Chelson:
you're you're right. I okay. You're right. I I'm not gonna have a say in want one, but we're gonna say screw you. You're having one.
[01:26:05] Unknown:
And we're putting socks on you while you wear your Crocs. And and we will make That We will we will make sure to put the fur line cracks on you too.
[01:26:22] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. With socks, are you gonna put a cigarette in my mouth and fucking, my sunglasses on and look like, what was it, Bernie? What was that movie? Yeah.
[01:26:36] Unknown:
Why not, dude? Hell, yeah. Yeah.
[01:26:41] Duuude-Ron :
No. I don't you know what? I don't give a shit. I will be dead. Deadder than dead. You know what? You can go throw my ass out in the fucking ocean and let the sharks have me for all I care.
[01:26:56] Unknown:
Right. You ain't gonna know it.
[01:26:59] Duuude-Ron :
I'm not gonna know it. It ain't gonna hurt me none anymore.
[01:27:03] Unknown:
And we'll just chunk you out there and and and cast a line by you at dinner.
[01:27:12] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. And put my Crocs on with socks. That would just that would just be fucking rude. Absolutely fucking rude. You don't ever wear socks with Crocs. Although, I have seen people with socks and Crocs. Now granted, you know, most of them are gonna be in the medical field, obviously. You know? Right. That won't you know? But to be wearing shorts and have socks on with Crocs, man, that's just fucking ugly. Done. Not to mention my fucking legs being as wide as they are. Oh, well. I wouldn't give a fuck anyway.
[01:27:55] Unknown:
Yeah. Say that see, that's why I don't I don't I don't care where or what I look like when I die because it's not gonna matter.
[01:28:07] Duuude-Ron :
No. You're right.
[01:28:10] Unknown:
You know? Good. So
[01:28:13] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. I I'm fucking ugly now. I'll be just as ugly when I'm dead. So if you wanna fucking, you know, dress me in a clown costume and prop me in the corner as a fucking party favor,
[01:28:28] Rich Chelson:
you know what?
[01:28:29] Duuude-Ron :
Y'all have fun. I'll just be looking down from head and going, yeah. I'll be coming by later and fucking just give them a nice de nozo slap, and they'll just wonder what the fuck happened when they got smacked in the back of the head and there's nobody there. Just know, just know, it will be me. Okay. And I'll just and I'll just fucking be cracking up like a motherfucker.
[01:29:04] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:29:07] Duuude-Ron :
Because, one, you ain't gonna see it coming. And, two, you ain't gonna see anybody anyway, but it'll happen. Okay. If you say so. And you'll be the first one, Rich. I will make it my I will make it my mission for you to be first. And then Patrick and then Patrick would be second. Right. Just just because I can.
[01:29:37] Unknown:
Just because that's how the dude is.
[01:29:40] Duuude-Ron :
That's right. Now go knock knock the shit out of some other people that I, you know, don't exactly like, which is most people.
[01:29:53] Unknown:
You'd be busy.
[01:29:55] Duuude-Ron :
I'd be a busy individual. But you know what? I got eternity to do it.
[01:30:01] Unknown:
Right. But but you see, that's the thing. If you're up in heaven, why would you wanna come back down here and do that when when heaven is, like, you know, the life, man?
[01:30:14] Duuude-Ron :
You're absolutely right because I can.
[01:30:17] Unknown:
Well, no. I I know that. So so okay. You go to heaven, be driving your Jeep around on some just bitchin' ass trails, and you're gonna stop that just to come down and give me a de nozzo slap? Yeah. Dude.
[01:30:38] Duuude-Ron :
Yes. I would. Just because you would never see it coming.
[01:30:45] Unknown:
I'm sorry. But, yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't be I wouldn't be giving up on a on a, like, a like a bomb trail just to go smack somebody upside the head. I I I couldn't. I wouldn't.
[01:31:00] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. You would.
[01:31:02] Unknown:
No? I could. No? Yeah. I'd be having too much fun, dude.
[01:31:09] Duuude-Ron :
You know what? I just wanna sit on cloud seven. It doesn't have to be cloud nine. Just sit on cloud seven and just watch the world go by. And for that matter, the fucking rest of the, you know, galaxies and all that other stuff, and actually find out if there are any aliens. Because you know aliens. Because because you know there
[01:31:42] Unknown:
are. Well, it's You can't tell I can't argue the point.
[01:31:46] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. Because okay. We have our solar system, and our solar system is one of tens of thousands in our galaxy, the Milky Way, which is one one galaxy out of billions of galaxies. And you can't I yeah. There is some type of life form someplace in the galaxy other than Earth.
[01:32:20] Unknown:
You see? There's no proof of it, so it's so it's kinda it's it's kinda hard to say if if there is or not. I mean, that's just my opinion.
[01:32:33] Duuude-Ron :
You're right. I I will agree with you. You know? Because how many light years is the Milky Way galaxy? Yeah. Why? I think it's, like, a thousand light years wide.
[01:32:53] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:32:54] Duuude-Ron :
That's a lot. That's a big fucking big amount of space.
[01:33:01] Unknown:
Well, yes. It is. But that's the thing. Yeah. I mean, say I don't know. There's there's never been no proof of of other life forms.
[01:33:15] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. You're right.
[01:33:16] Unknown:
You know? So that's why that's why it's kinda
[01:33:23] Duuude-Ron :
And you know what? Me be me having the chance to be an astronaut and go out of the atmosphere of Earth, the chances in that are, like, point 50 zeros one.
[01:33:45] Unknown:
Right.
[01:33:46] Duuude-Ron :
So, basically, it ain't ever gonna fucking happen.
[01:33:51] Unknown:
Well, no. You don't know that because, I think it's for what? $200,000? You could, you know, book a ride on the SpaceX and, you know, go out into space.
[01:34:06] Duuude-Ron :
Well yeah. Okay. So let me just go into the dresser drawer over here and look at my spare change and grab $200,000. Yeah.
[01:34:17] Unknown:
Hey. You never know, dude. And it might get cheaper. The more times they go up, it might get cheaper.
[01:34:27] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah.
[01:34:28] Unknown:
You know? Yep.
[01:34:31] Duuude-Ron :
But, okay, I can get on an airplane and be at, what, 36,000 feet and you're you know? Okay.
[01:34:38] Unknown:
That's still not a space level, dude.
[01:34:41] Duuude-Ron :
You're right. It ain't space level. Let's see. I'll give you that. But I'm also not gonna free fall from that level either.
[01:34:52] Unknown:
Well, I wouldn't think you would.
[01:34:55] Duuude-Ron :
Well, there was a guy that, took a balloon, and it was at and you can fact check me and, yeah, I'm sure I'm wrong, right at the edge of space and jumped out to do a free fall.
[01:35:17] Unknown:
Yeah. I watched it. Oh, did you? Yes. I watched it.
[01:35:22] Duuude-Ron :
And he free fall for how long?
[01:35:25] Unknown:
Oh god. Minutes. Like Yeah. A long, long, long time.
[01:35:32] Duuude-Ron :
Long time.
[01:35:33] Unknown:
Yeah. And that that was just, couple years ago.
[01:35:37] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Mhmm.
[01:35:38] Unknown:
Yeah. No. Yeah. I watched it. I I I watched him go up and everything like that. It was fucking crazy. And watched him open the door because, yeah, he was he was on the verge of of our atmosphere in in space. You know? And, yeah, he just went whoosh. And, I mean, that's not something I would ever do.
[01:36:04] Duuude-Ron :
No. Now static line jump is different compared to a free fall jump.
[01:36:12] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Definitely.
[01:36:15] Duuude-Ron :
I don't know if I'll ever do a free fall jump.
[01:36:19] Unknown:
I'm not gonna do a free fall or a static line jump. Just I ain't gonna jump. Fat boy don't jump. Fat boy eats.
[01:36:29] Duuude-Ron :
So you would never do a tandem?
[01:36:31] Unknown:
No. Okay. No. There is no reason for me to jump out of a perfectly good airplane. Now if the airplane was crashing, yes, I probably would jump. I mean, I would be animal food because I'd be smooshed on the ground, but, you know, hey. At least I had a chance of living. I had a fifty fifty chance of making it.
[01:37:02] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah.
[01:37:03] Unknown:
If the plane ain't crashing, no. I'm not doing it.
[01:37:08] Duuude-Ron :
Well, what if it's going over your favorite barbecue place?
[01:37:12] Unknown:
No. I can drive. Ah, you said lane lens.
[01:37:17] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. You see no. You said fat boys gotta eat. So, you know, as you're flying over, you could free fall and fucking do a tandem to your favorite barbecue spot.
[01:37:27] Unknown:
No. No. No. No. I'll just find another barbecue joint.
[01:37:32] Duuude-Ron :
I mean, come on. But it's not but it's not your favorite one, though. Damn it.
[01:37:36] Unknown:
How do how do you know how do you know that that new one I find will not become my favorite one?
[01:37:46] Duuude-Ron :
Because I said it wouldn't. We've already we've already established, damn it, that you have your favorite barbecue joint, and you would not do a tandem jump free fall to get that barbecue. You're a pussy.
[01:38:04] Unknown:
Yes. I am. Yes. I am. I got
[01:38:09] Duuude-Ron :
Fat boy's gonna eat. Yeah. You can have some fucking barbecue.
[01:38:13] Unknown:
Yeah. I will when I land with both feet firmly planted on the ground and and and You can do that with a you can do that with a tandem
[01:38:24] Duuude-Ron :
jump. Your feet will be eventually planted firmly on the ground.
[01:38:30] Unknown:
No. No. No. You don't get it. My feet has to be firmly planted on the ground at all times. I cannot I do not like it when my feet are not planted on the ground. I'm not scared of heights. Okay? And I will fly, but you see, I've got the floor of the airplane that my feet can stand on. I do not dangle my feet. I'm weird. I know. But I do not dangle my feet.
[01:39:03] Duuude-Ron :
Oh, okay.
[01:39:05] Unknown:
I'm just I'm not a dangler, man.
[01:39:09] Duuude-Ron :
You know what? Being a dangler is fun. Yeah.
[01:39:13] Unknown:
Okay. I mean, I mean
[01:39:17] Duuude-Ron :
especially if you're on the tailgate of a Chinook.
[01:39:22] Unknown:
Now that you see, I have not got to try that, and and I would like to try that just to see if it would be fun, but, you know, I don't know.
[01:39:36] Duuude-Ron :
You know? And I've never gotten to do that on a Chinook or a c one thirty or anything like that. But you know what? That would be fucking awesome to, you know, just fly around with the ramp down, sitting there, just looking around, and that would be a ball.
[01:39:55] Unknown:
You see? See, I don't know. Maybe.
[01:39:59] Duuude-Ron :
Probably. Dang dangling your feet down. You know? Now, of course, they're not gonna dangle very much. They're gonna be almost fucking straight out in front of you.
[01:40:10] Unknown:
Unless you're sitting right on the edge.
[01:40:13] Duuude-Ron :
Well, if you're sitting right on the edge and you put your feet down, that c one thirty is doing a 30 miles an hour. Your feet ain't gonna just be dangling. They're gonna be wind socks.
[01:40:27] Unknown:
Are you sure? Have you ever tried it?
[01:40:31] Duuude-Ron :
No. Unfortunately, I never have gotten that chance. I've seen a video, though, of a crew member on a CH 47 that the pilots dropped altitude just so that crew member had negative like, he was floating, had negative air.
[01:41:00] Unknown:
Okay.
[01:41:01] Duuude-Ron :
And then when that stopped and he hit the ramp, luckily, he had his, his harness on and attached to that helicopter because he fell off the ramp. Oh, dang.
[01:41:16] Unknown:
Yeah. I would probably poop myself.
[01:41:22] Duuude-Ron :
You think? Probably would. That that would definitely be a huge brown stain amongst the camouflage. Oh, hell yeah. I would be pooping myself too, without a doubt, which comes into ding ding ding ding ding ding. The what what was I doing every week? Damn. I just fucked that one up. The the tip of the week. Ding, ding, ding. Tip of the week. Okay. We're gonna do it fifteen minutes early. Alright. Good. Yeah. So, yeah, we'll just do it go ahead and do it fifteen minutes early because it's all in the aspect of, you know, that that situation with that kid falling off the ramp.
So instead of having a poop stain, here's the tip. If you have hemorrhoids, it's best that you do not wear thong underwear or and or panties.
[01:42:29] Rich Chelson:
Well, if you're a guy, it's probably best that you don't wear panties at all anyhow. Well, the oh Yeah.
[01:42:37] Duuude-Ron :
Hey. Do you know and that's that's up to the individual, but the point the tip of the day is is that you have hemorrhoids. Do not wear thongs.
[01:42:50] Unknown:
I kinda like that. That is awesome. I will I will I will make sure to remember that. And pray to God I never get hemorrhoid.
[01:43:03] Duuude-Ron :
Yeah. Yeah. I've never had them myself, but, you know, I've heard that they are they suck. Oh, I've I've got to sit on that pillow. Gotta sit on that nice little pillow.
[01:43:17] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Not ever had them myself either, but I have heard that if you do ever have them, get yourself a, a a, a bottle of witch hazel
[01:43:28] Unknown:
k.
[01:43:29] Rich Chelson:
And a, like, paper towel or something and get that, wet, wet with the witch hazel, smack it up there right next to it, and go ahead and just leave it there. That'll actually relieve that pain, discomfort, and everything else and actually, for you. So if if you're suffering it and you don't wanna go off and buy buy preparation h, witch hazel will do it too.
[01:43:59] Unknown:
Witch hazel. Okay. I didn't know that.
[01:44:06] Duuude-Ron :
Well, let's see. I've Go ahead, dude. And if and if I have hemorrhoids, you think I'm gonna walk around looking for witch hail witch hazel, when I know where I can find preparation h?
[01:44:22] Rich Chelson:
Witch hazel's just as easy to find as preparation h. It's usually found in the same aisle.
[01:44:27] Unknown:
Yeah. Oh, okay. On the same shelf. Check Walmart.
[01:44:31] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Well, Walmart, you'll find it you'll find witch hazel on the same area that you'll find peroxide and rubbing alcohol.
[01:44:39] Unknown:
Well, good. All righty then. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Witch dude. Dude. Witch hazel is Witch hazel is good for,
[01:44:47] Rich Chelson:
I've known known women who use witch hazel to actually, cause the, the hair on their legs to stand up better so that they actually can they can actually shave it better. No shit. No shit.
[01:45:02] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Wow. Dude, witch hazel is good for everything.
[01:45:06] Rich Chelson:
I've never used it myself, but yeah. I mean, there's people who claim there's, use for it everywhere.
[01:45:12] Unknown:
Yeah. We've yeah. I was raised, our our house. My, grandma and grandpa, my our house, we always had witch hazel. And, yeah, it was used quite a bit.
[01:45:25] Rich Chelson:
And I can't ever fit go off and hear that word, witch hazel, without thinking of the witch, hazel, off of, off of Looney Tunes.
[01:45:36] Duuude-Ron :
I was gonna say that's yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.
[01:45:41] Rich Chelson:
So your clicker heels and then take off. The bobby pins are still floating in the air?
[01:45:46] Unknown:
Yep. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[01:45:49] Rich Chelson:
Oh, man.
[01:45:55] Duuude-Ron :
My god. You sure you weren't you sure you weren't the voice for witch hazel? Oh, no. No. I'm nowhere close to the right voice. Oh, okay. I thought you did a pretty good job there.
[01:46:08] Unknown:
I was gonna say that was that was that was not too bad.
[01:46:12] Rich Chelson:
So got a question for y'all. This is something that kicked in today, and it it I I'm gonna let you know. We're fixing to have a we're fixing to have a bitch session. Alright? Okay. So just prepare yourself, draw up, get grab your coffee and shit because I'm fix I'm fixing to just let both both barrels go. Okay. Alright. Now I understand. My business that I'm trying to get going, relaxed mail Mhmm. Is going to involve some Internet market.
[01:46:47] Unknown:
Mhmm. But
[01:46:48] Rich Chelson:
I this week, I found a a a Internet marketer that was selling social media market. How does how to do social media market. And when Monday, it's just kinda typical, hey. This is, what we're doing. This is what we're gonna do, you know, and a little sale, at the end. Just a little one of and if you wanna have the VIP experience, you can do so by spending, for, you could get do our, join into the VIP experience for $27. I was like, wow. $27? Is that really it? And go and look it up and see what it's it's about. $27. Yeah. For and you get, a couple extra little, in the more because the she does most of her classes in the afternoon around 04:00. And then at 11:00 in the morning, you've got an extra little class that you can go to. I was like, sweet. Awesome. That would be that'd be great.
K. So did the first day. I missed the second day because I was up in Wichita, Kansas, doing a delivery. And so by the time everything got unloaded and all that, it was our it was just about done. I I caught was able to catch, like, the last thirty minutes of the of the, the the class that's the that, this lady was doing. And Did they have a replay? Oh, yeah. Yeah. You got a replay. You can go through, redo watch the replay, and I did. I've I've go through and rewatch it. And it was not much about social media. It was more about the mindset of social media and how you get get doing this, and it was very she's her her presentation is very but over the top.
Okay. And so there's a lot of she I don't know. I get it. She wants to be come across as high energy and all that, but it's the, hey. Alright. Hey. All my besties. Yada yada yada yada. Alright. Alright, buddy. I want you to put your hand up to your camera because we're gonna do a virtual high five. And, oh, yeah. There we go. And, you know, just all this whole this whole display. Oh, yeah. And I mean, the whole time, I'm just like, oh god. Help me. Oh god. What I get my happy ass into? And so I I thought, you know, alright. She's doing it for twenty seven dollars, which most of the time when you have a VIP experience, most of the place most of the, the Internet marketers that do their Facebook, week long workshop things they're doing of whatever it is they're wanting you to do, they'll have a VIP experience, but it's usually a hundred bucks.
I was like, oh, that's sweet. You know? So I did the I I went ahead and I dug up an extra $30 that I really didn't have, but wanted to go on. It's like, alright. Let's see what we can do here. Let's let's try this extra deal because it's supposed to have a little little mastermind group. Well Right. My definition of mastermind group, I forget that my definition of mastermind group is not what Internet marketers deem as mastermind groups. Right. It's not even group coaching in my definition. Right. Because we went to two of them, and it is somebody else, one of the other one of the other members of her team, basically, reviewing what we talked about the day before.
Uh-huh. And I'm like, okay. The first day, I was like, okay. Okay. This this this isn't good. They got a little into it, a little little deeper, if anything, but not much deep. I was like, okay. Okay. Tuesday Tuesday morning, we had the had that, meeting. It was a review of Monday nights, then we had Tuesday. Wednesday, we had review again. Today, again, had another review, and then we had tonight. But what pisses me off is that we're supposed to still have one more one more, class.
[01:51:11] Unknown:
K.
[01:51:12] Rich Chelson:
Alright. But she did her freaking sell today.
[01:51:19] Unknown:
Oh, wow.
[01:51:20] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. I'm, like, going what's the what are we gonna do tomorrow then? Are we you're just gonna get sold to again? Right. And I mean, at first, I was Probably sold to again. Yeah. And I mean, she did give some good information because one of and the big takeaway at the out of any of it was because she was supposed to be helping us with, alright, how we're gonna get your your, how do we take your your, the basics of of social media marketing? It's like, alright. Well, I suck at being social media marketing. Maybe I can find maybe she will teach me how to get people to actually interact with my shit more.
Because I don't get I don't get many reactions, any type of many responses at all from from my, from my stuff. I Right. Basically, am the epitome, or at least this is how I view myself. I know it's not actually true, but it it it is the epitome of it all is I feel like I'm still literally screaming into the void.
[01:52:23] Unknown:
Okay. Okay.
[01:52:24] Rich Chelson:
But I have proof that that's that's not entirely correct. Because last week, I just the way everything way the jobs and stuff fell, I was not able to do my my TikTok reel video that I normally do. I got, like no. Actually, I didn't get any of them done last week. So there last week was basically nothing all week long. And I could see on my on my, analytics, Google Analytics, WordPress, stats, and all that, that there was something happening. Because all of a sudden, my views I was I've done a week and a half, damn near two weeks of actually having over a hundred actual people hit by sight.
[01:53:17] Unknown:
Oh, wow.
[01:53:18] Rich Chelson:
And that was I was getting so getting excited about it. I was like, oh, finally. Yes. Awesome. I'm finally getting to the my the lofty goal that I have been that has been eluding me for the past seven years. I want just a hundred people a day for a month straight.
[01:53:38] Unknown:
Right?
[01:53:41] Rich Chelson:
Well, this last week came along, and all of a sudden, 88 was the lowest. That's still really fucking good. I'm I'm not gonna sneeze that. Right. But 88 was the lowest. Most of the time, it was 93, 90 eight, 90 five, 90 six. You know, it just kinda bobbed around there for that for that week and through Saturday. Even whenever I threw up my post for my from the blog and the podcast, it raised up, and those were the ones that got up to, like, 99, 90 eight. I was like, what the hell happened? I I guess, the, I guess Google changed their algorithms again or whatever. I was that's what I was saying.
Right. And then this week, things fell it fell back in line where I could actually do my my real videos.
[01:54:32] Unknown:
Right. Right.
[01:54:34] Rich Chelson:
Back up there. I've had at see here. Tell you. WordPress wise, see. This is Thursday. Wednesday's Monday. So starting the twenty third. So that would've been see, man let's see. Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Yeah. So starting Sunday, I had a 13 actual visits. A hundred and twenty two two views, but a 13 visits.
[01:55:16] Unknown:
Mhmm. Alright.
[01:55:18] Rich Chelson:
A hundred nine visitors on Monday, which is typical. A 27 views again. A 20 visitors, a 52 views, a 57 views with a 12 visitors. And today, I've got a 32 views, 95 visitors. Not midnight hadn't hit yet, so I'll I'll hit the I'll get the last five before before midnight comes on.
[01:55:44] Unknown:
Right.
[01:55:45] Rich Chelson:
Okay. So somebody so my video I I seriously believe my videos are are having an impact. Right. Now I don't know if it's coming from Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Instagram, Mastodon, where? You know, exactly where. Right. But it's coming from somewhere. It's coming from somewhere. And so what I've done on Monday, I actually went ahead and went through all my, all my video or not my videos, but all of my different, social media sites. And where I have my link to my website, I went ahead and added a UTM parameter. So I have, medium. I think medium is social media. Source is, you know, Facebook or Twitter or, or, YouTube or whatever. Alright?
So that I can start getting analytics on there and and stuff. So I'm not I haven't I haven't gone through yet to to do a deep dive in the analytics yet to see if I can really tell where everything's coming from. But at the same time, looking looking what, and seeing what, what comes up and seeing if I can tell who's, you know, where where, where those most the majority of those hits are coming from. Because when you have the UTM parameters, at least when our even if somebody comes through and and has a some type of of of identity cleansing, you know, software, most of the time, from what I understand, could be wrong. But most of the time, you will at least it'll at least pass the UTM parameters onto, onto Google Analytics.
K. So so we'll find, find out, you know, who's who's doing what, when, where, and how instead of having a whole bunch of referrals from, you know, Google and and and Bing and Yahoo or whatever. Because that's usually the ones that are I get the referrals from are from this different search engines.
[01:58:12] Unknown:
Right.
[01:58:13] Rich Chelson:
With the occasional about I usually so far, I'm getting around two QR code hits a month, which is cool. I I think that's awesome. So my my QR code stickers that I stick out in the wild are are working. So but, anyhow, just the fact but what really irritates me is the fact that this lady, we still have at least one pay one day left. And today, she made it sound like what our next step was, alright. We've got we we we got our our ratio down. It's you wanna do three just normal posts before you do one ask. Alright? So it's basically like, Gary Vaynerchuk's book. Jab, jab, jab, right hook. Ask, provide, provide, provide, then ask.
Right. Still the same. She's still using that same ratio of three do three just regular posts that provide value. Don't ask for anything before you do one ask.
[01:59:16] Unknown:
Right.
[01:59:18] Rich Chelson:
So it got me to think it's like, alright. Sweet. We can I can do four video I could do or not four videos? I could do one video a day and then two other, two other posts, that provide value, maybe a quote, maybe, you know, something along those lines. And then one of them could be, you know, a an ask of join my join my my newsletter or whatever. So I could do my three to, three post to one to one ad. Right. Right. Alright. Excited about that. Went, did a whole did a several other things. The other the other stuff that you really talked about, what just okay. Yeah. It's it's feel good, good stuff, yada yada yada. Not really all that useful because she was talking about, you know, the demographics of of their swings more this one here swings more man, while Pinterest is more women. You gotta you gotta she would kinda go through some of the demographics, which okay. Some people may find that important, find that interesting, whatever.
90% of all social like, most social media is damn near split down the middle, of half man, half woman. Okay. So got through that, went through, and we kinda talked a little bit more about, about how to how to get yourself, aligned and all for yesterday. And the I thought today, alright. So we're going to find out, you know, how to apply, like, you know, hashtags or, you know, gets get finally start getting this is gonna be the day of the, of the the, the gold nugget. This is where she's gonna provide her one really good gold nugget.
[02:01:06] Unknown:
Right.
[02:01:07] Rich Chelson:
Because Friday is gonna be the ass. She's gonna sell. I'm okay. I'm prepared for that. No. She set it up. Thought it made it sound like that's where we were going. We're fixing to get ourselves. No. She dives into an hour and a half freaking spiel about her $12,000 academy. And she's like, but you don't have to pay. If you pay it all at once, you get this and this and this, and we got all sorts of presents for you. We got lots and lots of presents, and it's all really great stuff. And you get this, and we give you an official headshot and, session, and we get a professional photographer and yada yada yada yada. If you wanted to make, four easy payments of, four or of $3,000 and something odd cents, you could do that, and you're gonna get all these types of presents. And, oh, they are just so great. If you wanna do monthly, which is a thousand dollars and something odd cents, blah blah blah blah, then you could do that too. And I'm going, you didn't pay attention to any of the breakout sessions.
I could guarantee you because, one, there was because each each time they had a breakout session, it one, she would give you, like, five minutes. There'd be five people in there, and we're supposed to, you know, kind of talk about whatever the topic was that we were supposed to do. One person got to talk. And by the time they got wrapped up, it's, somebody else was starting to talk. All of a sudden, alright. Mhmm. We'd all leave and and be someone be in mid sentence and be cut off, and we'd all go right back into the main main room.
[02:02:52] Unknown:
Right.
[02:02:54] Rich Chelson:
And but the people that were the the women I was I think I was the only guy. There might have been one other guy in the group, but I was the only guy. And most of these women are 65 well, no. They're probably about forty to seventy.
[02:03:14] Unknown:
Okay. Alright?
[02:03:16] Rich Chelson:
The forty to sixty five didn't didn't strike me as sister birth better than you. Alright? Okay. They were struggling. Right. Alright. Maybe they were they, you know, they were they were they were my type of people. Right. You know? It's like $27. Like, You know? That's that's eating in my coffee coffee, fun, but, you know? Okay. Yeah. I'll I'll get I'll do that. Maybe I will get some extra I'll get some extra value because she made it sound like we're getting extra value. I have not gotten any extra fucking value. Not that there's gonna be much value for $27,
[02:04:04] Unknown:
but Well, right.
[02:04:06] Rich Chelson:
But just something. Some type of golden egg that's just, you know Right. Right. Right. The the yolk of the golden egg is still a bit on the runny side, but that's okay.
[02:04:17] Unknown:
What I'm trying to say though, it sounds like you really haven't gotten anything for the money you have spent.
[02:04:23] Rich Chelson:
No. I haven't. And then she turns around, like I said, today, and it just and I mean, granted, she did a great job on the sell because, man, it took me thirty minutes to finally realize, oh, wait a minute. We're being sold to. She is doing her actual ass on a fucking Thursday afternoon. Not Friday afternoon, but Thursday. And just the fact that it sunk into me that she was being being almost that fucking greedy, if there's a way to say it. And I maybe it's just my limiting thoughts, maybe it's my limiting beliefs that she's like is like, you didn't provide any value before you asked. It's like you asking me to go to bed with you without ever even taking me out for a drink. Come on.
And it's like, wait. But at the same time and I got and I was I was hot there for a bit. I mean, I didn't even finish. I still had thirty minutes left on the on the pitch, and I I left. And I left, and I was like, no. Maybe maybe I'm maybe I'm I'm reading this wrong. I went back in just in time to see, and you could get all this and more for $12,000. I was like, fuck you.
[02:05:42] Unknown:
Right.
[02:05:44] Rich Chelson:
$12,000. You do not know these women that you're you that are in this class. There may be three or four of them that can, afford it. There's a 50 odd people that were in this that are in the class every, each day. A hundred and something odd folks every day every time. Maybe 10 coulda swung that $12,000 and, yeah, it woulda smarted. The rest of them, I think if they paid that $12,000, they're going they're they're having to talk to their bank about, well, this is why the house payment's not going through for a little while.
[02:06:24] Unknown:
Right.
[02:06:26] Rich Chelson:
And, I mean, if that's what they wanted to do, that's that's up to them. That was their choice. But it's just $12,000. It's like no. Yeah. And if anything, though, that told me something gave me a really good insight to something as to point number. I start doing my workshops. $127, acceptable price. I kinda like that. $47, you could swing that. Right. Alright. You're not gonna get you're not it's not a whole lot. You're and it's and it's small enough that it actually I was, there for a moment, I was, like, and I ought to ask her for my damn money back. And I was, like, that's $27. Who cares? It's, it's enough that even I was just like, okay. It's $27.
Alright. Take it. I'm gonna chalk it up as a lesson learned.
[02:07:19] Unknown:
Right.
[02:07:21] Rich Chelson:
But make sure that I apply, one, enough value for each day. And that at the end of the day, instead of a q and a, it's a coaching session that I would end up doing. Right. And I would be there not just for okay. Well, we're gonna be doing this coaching set. We're gonna do the little q and a. We've got ten minutes left in our day, so we're just gonna stuff in and see how many questions we get. Now I think what I'm going to do, and I'm gonna make it to where I have to work for it. But until you're done coaching, till I have everybody who is wants to be coached coached, I'm gonna be there. If it's four hours after the after we've said, alright. Well, we're done for the day. We're now doing the q and a. We're gonna do the coaching session. Anybody wants to have coaching, y'all staying around, y'all are coached, or maybe that's that might be the, the the the value for the 27, 27, dollar folks is alright. Now now that we're done here, we're we're gonna do a, all the, the the the VIP experience folks. We're gonna go into the, the VIP room, and we're gonna go ahead and, do some coaching. We're gonna coach till we, till y'all are done wanting to be coached today.
[02:08:48] Unknown:
Right.
[02:08:50] Rich Chelson:
And make it like that to where, yeah, we're going to work towards whatever the the goal is that we wanna work at. And then after that, there's a a a coaching session, and that coaching session is is everybody gets to be coached. It's not just, oh, well, we've got ten minutes left. Yeah. And then also set up the expectation of letting them know. I'm not gonna sell to you. I'm not gonna do or I'm not gonna do the hard sell to you. I'm not gonna do the big sell to you until Friday. And I all I ask is that you stay with us through Friday, hear what the what the what the sale is.
You can stay. You can go. You no. Whatever it is you wanna do, but just listen to that as the value as a means of trading the values for the value. Right. I provided gave you all the there's no super secrets, sauce that I'm going I'm going to hold from. Because that was the other thing she was talking about. And if you wanna know the really good ninja tricks of all of of how I do my do my social media, you could do so in in the, Social Media Academy. I'm like Yeah. For Why are you holding that back?
[02:10:19] Unknown:
Because she has just what everybody does, and it's nothing special. That's kinda what I'm thinking too. I mean I mean, honestly, because I mean I mean, if if if she has has done all this, that's fine, and that's great. But, you know, why don't you give out one or two of your your tricks during the week and then go for your big sale on Friday, not on Thursday.
[02:10:51] Rich Chelson:
You know? No. And I I I think it should have been on I personally think it should have been on Friday too. But it and but at the same time, you know, giving out the tricks, I don't know what she's afraid of on doing the giving out her super ninja tricks. Because if she gave out her super ninja tricks, there are those who are gonna take it, and they're gonna run with it. I'm one of them. I would apply what I learned from that to my to my own strategy.
[02:11:17] Unknown:
Right. Well, okay. Hang on here. But Okay. This is this is my this is this is my opinion here. Okay? As far as, the Super Ninja tricks, they're all searchable. Oh, I'm sure they are. I'm sure I'm a % sure they are. You know? But but trying to find all that information and and trying to, I mean, like like, you know, most of us, and, I mean, rightfully so, I would like to learn from someone who has succeeded at it. You know? Right. Yeah. Willing to pay $12,000? No.
[02:11:59] Rich Chelson:
So And I and I but but I figure if so if she is if she's as, as profitable as she says she is, great. Awesome. Magnificent. And you can tell us what those super secret, ninja tricks are because you're you're going to people will hear, maybe 20% are gonna try. And of that 20% that's gonna try, twenty percent's gonna nail it right. The other the rest of the 80 of that 20 is gonna go, well, I don't know how what she meant by this. They're gonna allow confusion and uncertainty to set in. So they're going to turn to her and want to actually learn more from her, get more details from her.
[02:12:49] Duuude-Ron :
Right.
[02:12:52] Rich Chelson:
And so she would actually better her sales, or at least this is how I'm thinking. I could be completely wrong. I mean, how many sales have I done? So okay. It's not like I'm I I am a master salesman by any stretch of the feasible imagination.
[02:13:08] Unknown:
Right.
[02:13:09] Rich Chelson:
But at the same time, I if I go off of what I felt, I felt shorted, cheated, and damn near took advantage of.
[02:13:20] Unknown:
Right.
[02:13:21] Rich Chelson:
Just it was like, why the hell are you selling on a Thursday? What are we doing tomorrow? Because we still have tomorrow. It's a five day course. Day five's coming up.
[02:13:35] Unknown:
Yeah. Normally, you save day five for selling. For the sale. Yeah.
[02:13:40] Rich Chelson:
It's good. Supposed to you know, the big gold nugget was supposed to be today to give us the incentive of, oh, hey. Look of all this value she gave to me. $12,000. Well, that's a little hot. But now she gave us gave me this this nugget of of go, you know, do three, do three live videos, and then the, the fourth one, tell a joke. And why you wanna do that is because you, you're providing value, providing value, providing value, making them laugh, and then you can ask. And been like, okay. Oh, oh, hey. That makes sense. Alright. Let's try that. Oh, and if you wanna know more of those types of really awesome, clues, it's a bit it's a it's a bit of an investment. I get it. But $12,000, I've got an academy that you can join into. You can make it out. You can make payments. We may stretch it out. 12 equal payments of of one I think it was 1,139 or a thousand 39, something that's it was over a thousand dollars just because if you want a best deal, you paid all your money up upfront.
[02:14:48] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you see, that's where that's where I think if you went and bought jab, jab, jab, right hook, you'd probably be money ahead as the way it sounds. Well, I mean, to a to a point. And see, that's the thing. There I'm not there's nothing wrong with, taking techniques, someone, you know, that you've read in a book or something and apply them to your situation, and you had success. And then building a a a class or a, you know, five day webinar off that. Okay. There's nothing wrong with it. But at the same time, you know, have something people can grab a hold of and and want to join because it sound I mean I mean, just sitting here listening to you, it's like, I wouldn't have made it through the second day.
[02:15:46] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Well, I know. No. But, I mean, the at the second day, wasn't much in the way of value, but it was building on what the first day was. You had the value of the first day, which was okay. Hey. How are you doing? What are this? This is what we're gonna be doing. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yada yada yada. Building upon that, because we did start off with a little bit of, you know, kind of, just the, you know, what what you're wanting what you're wanting to, to accomplish. Yeah. What are your what's your niche? Things like that. And where do you you know? And Okay. Kinda give you an idea of what your your, you know, she like to use all the different, the catchy, abbreviations.
So, what is it? Your, like, KPIs and, oh, you know, your oh, shit. What's the fucking date? Unique selling proposition. So your USP, your your your she was calling it, value target, value client,
[02:16:58] Unknown:
avatar, like CVA or something like that. Okay. See, that's where okay. That's where I would've
[02:17:05] Rich Chelson:
immediately left. Well, no. But I again, I was high enough to on that that I knew what she was talking about. Right. But there was a lot of women in the in this class who that was that was blowing their minds. Like, what? You you have a a a a a target target audience? You just don't name for everybody? And I mean, those were big surprises to a lot of these a lot of these women. And so I was like, okay, I I I can I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. Because eventually she did provide, like I said, the the, the ratio of three to one And that allowed me to go, okay. Okay. I now know I could do on Monday, I could do three four video or four posts.
Tuesday, four posts. Wednesday or Thursday, do eight posts. Because I do two, essentially, two asks. Go to my website.
[02:17:59] Unknown:
Right.
[02:18:00] Rich Chelson:
On those days. There well, I or I do two videos. I do one that's an ask, one that, then I have the, then you have, have the video. So I have on Wednesday, blog post, Thursday, podcast. And so I've got those two. So I just thinking, okay. If I've got, got those two there, we would, just double those up. Just make eight posts those two days just, just as a, a a matter of, of things because to to help feed the, the algorithm a little bit more. So I've thought, you know, I was like, alright. Second, second day, great. Third day, built upon that a little bit more, but not to the level that quenched my thirst.
[02:18:45] Unknown:
Right.
[02:18:46] Rich Chelson:
Not it didn't have that great big, oh, oh, okay. Sweet. Okay. I see where we're going on this.
[02:18:51] Unknown:
Right. Right.
[02:18:53] Rich Chelson:
And then when we were supposed to have the, you know, the big eye opener, here's here's the gold nugget of all gold nuggets that's gonna guarantee you to you to at least know which direction to start marching. You know?
[02:19:07] Unknown:
I want $12,000.
[02:19:09] Rich Chelson:
I want $12,000. And that makes me go, why would I wanna even spend $12,000 with you now? Am I gonna spend $12,000 and you're gonna go, oh, okay. And, you know, get up to month 11 of us building on this and not really providing much value. And, oh, hey. We've got a $24,000, advanced classes where we're gonna really teach all the extra information. And that's why that's the feeling that I get is you're not even gonna get to month 12 and get the sold to. You're gonna get, like, month six. Right. Maybe. You know, at the worst, it'll be, like, month six, and all of a sudden you're like, well, fuck. I spelled $12,000, and you haven't told me shit to begin with.
[02:19:57] Unknown:
Right.
[02:19:59] Rich Chelson:
You gave me a whole lot of little little little cool snippets and and and, and templates to work with, but you didn't tell me how to use the freaking templates. You're like, yeah. Here you go. It you just take this. You throw it up here. With what information? You know? What what about, what about, you know, hashtags? When are we supposed to use the hashtags? I mean, I I use depending on who you want to talk to, I'm using either too many hashtags or not enough hashtags.
[02:20:34] Unknown:
You see, that's the thing. If I use hashtags, I give a fuck. I use all the ones I want. Yeah. That that is one rule I have never agreed with because I've heard the same thing. Oh, you can't use too many. You have to use, you know Yeah. You wanna only use, like, three hashtags in Facebook.
[02:20:54] Rich Chelson:
Instagram, you're supposed to be able to use, like, 35 hashtags.
[02:20:59] Unknown:
I use I use as many as I want
[02:21:02] Rich Chelson:
whenever I want, and I don't care. But but again and I do understand what they're getting at because it is you know? So, like, Minds. Let's well, you I don't think you you know what Minds is, but Minds is kind of a a a, of a Facebook alternative.
[02:21:21] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:21:22] Rich Chelson:
And but they actually they do limit the number of of hashtags you can use. They only allow, I think, a a total of five at most. After that, it's like, you can't you you can't post until you get rid of some of these hashtags. They only they want you to have no more than five. If you wanna use any, then you can only use five. Well, help. Threads, you can actually only use one. Yeah. You can throw up as many as you want, but is there only gonna be one that's highlighted or or linked?
[02:21:53] Unknown:
No. Say that's say that's bullshit. You say why? What's the big deal?
[02:22:02] Rich Chelson:
Because some people are gonna are gonna abuse it. What abusing, means. Alright?
[02:22:08] Unknown:
Well, okay. Yeah. That's that's my next question. What how is that I I mean, what what is the abuse? I mean, who? Again, why why is that abuse?
[02:22:20] Rich Chelson:
Because if you're say, because what do what most people use hashtags for is is for, keyword. Alright? So, like, for me, I usually will use whatever the, whatever the pillar of, of of which of the relaxed mail pillars is available or or is covered by whatever the topic of my, say, my, blog post is. So, like, if it covers, man's community, then I have a hashtag man's community, another hashtag relaxed mail. I just want then that's so that I claim the four pillars of relaxed mail and the relaxed mail tag. Alright. Somebody wants to hit relaxed mail, boom. You're gonna find everything relaxed mail. That's relaxed mail will always be put on to every every post that I put up so that, you know, I'm I'm part of that. I'm that's just a means of me marking my territory.
Okay. That's my But, also, if it's about, say, relationship advice, then that'll be another hashtag. Me going off and, you know, using it and say it's Super Bowl, Super Bowl was go go, going on that week. And I put up Super Bowl, but my stuff doesn't have anything to do with Super Bowl. Well, that's going to lower the quality of what Facebook is is bringing up. So they're going if it if you don't have anything to do with Super Bowl and you're putting up a hashtag Super Bowl, they're actually going to dock your reach for that.
[02:24:03] Unknown:
You say that's yeah. Whatever. I I I mean, no. You see this you see this is why this is why I don't I don't post much shit like this because, you know, all these all these, platforms are like, oh, no. You can't do this. And and you see, that's the thing back during when hashtags was the big thing. People would have searches saved with those hashtags. And so so if you posted and used a hashtag someone else was was saving, and it would pop up, you know, every time, then they would see your post. It's more engagement. Right? Yeah.
[02:24:53] Rich Chelson:
Okay. So But, again, it it was to keep the spam down. So if you if all of a sudden you had someone network. Well, that's what they're doing. So that if you're if you're posting you got to post well, what do you think a better network is?
[02:25:13] Unknown:
No. I I I just I don't know. Maybe it's just me and stuff like this, but I don't know. It's just it just, I don't know. It it just I don't know, man. You have fried my brain. You literally have fried my brain, dude.
[02:25:43] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. I don't wanna be the ball buster.
[02:25:47] Rich Chelson:
Okay. Bust the balls, your ball buster. K.
[02:25:50] Duuude-Ron :
What was your original question
[02:25:54] Rich Chelson:
for Well, my it's not even original question. It was just my original bitch was that damn it. If I was Internet marketers ruin so much shit out there. They have the greatest opportunity to improve their client's world. And they can do so and and not even have to give away the whole cat. You don't have to give away the kitty just because, you know, just to make a few bucks. You can actually give away just a little peek and give them an idea that they can run with.
[02:26:37] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. So let me ask you this. How much, if you don't mind me asking, the toy the VIP was $27.
[02:26:47] Rich Chelson:
The VIP experience is what she called it. Yeah. Okay.
[02:26:53] Duuude-Ron :
How much was the course?
[02:26:56] Rich Chelson:
12,000.
[02:26:57] Duuude-Ron :
No.
[02:26:59] Rich Chelson:
No. No. What days. Oh, no. The the for the five day was free. It it was the, the little workshop deal that she was doing as a it was a free five day, workshop. Okay. And then if you wanted to have a couple more meetings, be able to meet in the mornings, and supposed to be able to have opportunity to be able to ask, more detailed questions, yada yada yada, You $27.
[02:27:26] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. So you paid a total of $27. Yep. And you basically got
[02:27:35] Rich Chelson:
what was the course pertaining again? I'm sorry. It's just to to how to more effectively market using social media.
[02:27:45] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. Did she say or give any specific information for you for to build anything with social media, or was it all just a bunch of vague statements pertaining to basically nothing.
[02:28:17] Rich Chelson:
Now, one thing that she did provide that I was like, okay. Okay. That works. Like I said, was the was the ratio of value post to asks. Alright? You give three valuable posts before you do one ask.
[02:28:36] Duuude-Ron :
And the ask is for
[02:28:38] Rich Chelson:
To buy my shit. Okay. So What do you do? You know, a a Great. And the inspiring, quote, a a video that pertains to the same topic that your your your business is about, and maybe a, a funny meme.
[02:29:00] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. And then So is that by my side. So is that repeating? Make three and then one sell, make three, one sell. That's just a repetitive,
[02:29:16] Rich Chelson:
That's just, you know, every day, three three 75% of your your your post need to be value. 25% needs to be, needs to be, an ask. Okay. And that's the that's that's where I mean, that that was the big thing that I got out of it, and that was day two. Okay. Day four, and she was trying to sell. And, I mean, she was doing and it was an hour and a half long sell pitch is what it was. And she like I said and like I said, she was did really good. She snuck that in there. I didn't even notice that I was being sold to for the first thirty minutes. And then she started bringing in, testimonies and things like that, and I was, like, going, oh, wait a minute.
And that got my attention. I was like, okay. Okay. Okay. What's going on here? And as I got to listening, I got to start getting a little more angrier and a little more angrier because it's like, oh, she's selling to us. She is already selling. She couldn't wait one more day. She couldn't give the golden nugget today. Well, maybe why she's maybe that's what she's doing. Maybe she's holding off till tomorrow to give the golden nugget so that she can at least have the ego I wanna say ego trip, but the it's a set sense of satisfaction that her that her students stayed until the last day.
[02:30:57] Duuude-Ron :
Right. Okay. That might be her reasoning.
[02:30:59] Rich Chelson:
That might be all what her reasoning is. I don't know. It doesn't make sense to me.
[02:31:05] Duuude-Ron :
Okay. And there was a 50 people that roughly that had joined this group. Yep.
[02:31:12] Rich Chelson:
Don't know how many actually purchased the VIP account. No. No. You won't she wouldn't tell you that. Okay.
[02:31:17] Duuude-Ron :
No. Okay. However, yes, it's an outrageous freaking amount. You know?
[02:31:33] Rich Chelson:
But, again, you know, it and that sounds like it's a lot because it is. But it's a lot do you think are gonna be there tomorrow
[02:31:41] Duuude-Ron :
if she does reveal a golden nugget?
[02:31:44] Rich Chelson:
How many people are actually gonna be there? We're gonna find we're gonna find out. I I I'm going to stick through this now. I just wanna see what I've my curiosity has peaked on it because If any golden nugget is is given? Yeah. I wanna see if if any. Might be copper. But Well, yeah. It's probably gonna be Viking gold, but still. It it's it is what it is. And at least got some it it because I'm, there's a portion of it. One, I wanted her to see. Okay. How does she, maybe I can learn something about social media that I don't know what I'm doing. Okay? Because I know I am just I I'm posting. I'm posting. I'm posting. I'm getting I'm getting a response.
It's not as tremendous as I'd like, but I but I the more I post, the more I'm seeing that, yeah, I I'm getting a a response. So, like like, right now, if I was to go to, let's bring up Facebook here. Let me go no open up the relaxed mail, and let's go to, professional dashboard. So for the last twenty eight days, I've had 752 views of my posts.
[02:33:07] Unknown:
Nice.
[02:33:08] Rich Chelson:
Okay. My engagement, you know, how many people actually click, you know, thumbs up, smile, you know, shock, whatever, any type of engagement, is, is 28. That's down by 58%. Okay? But, again, I you can it it comes in waves. I I could sit here and see it goes down, then it goes up, then it goes down, then it goes up, then it goes down, then it goes up, then it goes down. I mean, it's just it looks like an EKG. So
[02:33:41] Unknown:
Well, what you say the you say I find that misleading because do you know if that's you or if that's Facebook's algorithm?
[02:33:52] Rich Chelson:
See, that would be my question. Well, it's always gonna be the algorithm because you're not gonna get served in front of anybody be, without the algorithm because that's how everything gets served in Facebook.
[02:34:07] Unknown:
Right. But no. I'm saying I'm saying the the the ups and downs daily, you know, because you've got people interacting with your, stuff or seeing your stuff. Now whether they click, that's that's their choice, blah blah blah. But, you know, like like, your 28, you know, likes, whatever, and it's down 58%, is that Facebook's algorithm? Yeah. See. So so so how can I don't know? It's hard, but but how can you?
[02:34:46] Rich Chelson:
How can you manipulate that?
[02:34:48] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:34:49] Rich Chelson:
Do start doing stuff that is more to what Facebook likes or what Facebook thinks your potential clients would like.
[02:35:00] Unknown:
You're saying that's where that's where that's wrong in my in in in my opinion. That's where that that's where that bullshit is wrong. Because, basically, then you would become a slave to Facebook.
[02:35:17] Rich Chelson:
Alright. Now you're starting to get the understanding of it. Because, yeah, Facebook wants you to sell wants you to buy ads.
[02:35:30] Unknown:
Yeah. No. I've done that.
[02:35:33] Rich Chelson:
They don't work. Well, no. They actually do. You've but you've got to and I I do know how to do ads, but it takes work. Right. Because what you actually need to do is you need to have first, decide how, you know, you wanna make sure that you're doing your ads for about a month at the at the shortest.
[02:36:00] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:36:01] Rich Chelson:
Alright. And what are your what you're gonna do is you're going to actually take that month's worth of of of, of ad spending and you split it into two. Alright? So say we're gonna spend a hundred dollars, 20 5 dollars per week.
[02:36:16] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:36:17] Rich Chelson:
So you're gonna do $12.50 for, you're gonna split that into two, so that'll, for each, for each spending. And you're going to put up two different ads. K. One will be one way. One will be the other way. You launch both of those at the same time. For the first two, three, four days, you pay attention to how they're doing. Which one's doing better by, and is achieving closer to what you're wanting.
[02:36:49] Unknown:
K?
[02:36:49] Rich Chelson:
You keep that one running. You close the other one. You make a slight change, and you do another one. And and you do it, and you start it up next to the other one. Give it another four days again. So you're about to well, week and a, week and a day in. Which one's doing better? Alright. Make another change. Close the worst performing one. Do it again. And you rinse and repeat, and you keep improving your your ad every time. So you may go through five ads in that in that month period.
[02:37:30] Unknown:
But you're still out $200 because if you have to do this for two months to get
[02:37:35] Rich Chelson:
a baseline, basically, is what it sounds like. Well, no. Yeah. It's how you get you start getting a better response. If you just take something, design it, throw it out there, it's going to perform poorly. Even if you do let it set there for too much will. Well, it's gonna perform poorly because, one, you don't know it this is where the scientific, method actually comes into play for marketing, and this is how all marketers do it.
[02:38:06] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:38:07] Rich Chelson:
Because you actually don't know what's going to attract your client for whatever your ask is. And it may start out you have, say, I'm going to do a a workshop on on attracting your wife's attention better more. Alright. So and I'm gonna call it mastering the, mastering the storm or mastering the bedroom. We'll we'll even call it that just because it gives the connotation of of of little hanky panky going on. Okay. Alright. So I first put one up of mastering the bedroom, and it's a man and woman in an embrace. If I put that up there and I get, you know, 25 views, alright, You would think, oh, that's pretty damn shitty.
Alright. Man, it's probably probably right. But if you take another one and instead of of a, man and woman in in embraced, you have a man standing proudly upon a beak. Now why? Don't know. But all of a sudden, that instead of having 25 views, that one there has a hundred and eight. Alright? Don't know why, but some people have. And, like, lot of the, the few that I've seen, a lot of people like the one that or the clients seem to like the ones if there is a if there is sunset, your golden hour, and you got the the, got the silhouette of somebody with their arms up, like, yes. We're free. You know, that type of that that type of pose.
Okay. They like that a lot better for whatever reason. May not have anything to do with what what the product's being sold, but they that for whatever reason, people would react to that better.
[02:40:03] Unknown:
So okay. You find okay. You find one of them pictures? So you find a picture that that works. On it and throw it up. So but then okay. So you but everybody
[02:40:13] Rich Chelson:
the only thing you've been changing in the first two or three times is just a picture. Alright? You find a picture that keeps you've you've thrown up another picture, and that picture did worse. Alright? So we now know. Okay. We got a better selling, ad because of the picture. The next thing you would actually do is, like, start working on the headline. Oh my god. Which headline and, yeah, you wanna have to you wanna sit there and needle and pick and and tweak, and it's called AB testing. And as you're doing it, you're gonna start figuring out, okay. We, we now know that most people who are wanting most of the men who wanna have a better relationship with their wife likes video likes pictures of men standing on top of mountain, standing on mountain tops in a in a, in a very alpha style pose with, and, the the headline needs to have somewhere in there mastering, and, the, the copy down below needs to say something along the lines of what the objective was.
[02:41:24] Unknown:
So you need to treat men like Neanderthals?
[02:41:27] Rich Chelson:
Well, yeah. I mean, always. We are we are the Neanderthals. I mean, tomorrow, we I know.
[02:41:36] Unknown:
But but you see, that's the thing. You say it's, you know, 90%. Well, I don't know if it's 90%. I'm just throwing out a number there. Oh, yeah. You know? But I'm probably not far off. But 90% of men, their thought process and their mindset is about as deep as a kiddie pool.
[02:41:55] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. Yeah. No. We are we all are. I mean, everybody does something that if they think that it's going to because well, when you're selling anything, one, you don't sell the medicine. Alright? You don't see if they if you're going on if you're gonna go do it to Walt Disney World, you're not selling the airplane. Alright? No. I'm not selling it. You're gonna be cruising in a seven forty seven travel at 30,000 knots, and it's gonna be you and a 75 other people all packed in there gloriously in a like a sardines in a tan can. And you're gonna have warm, flat Coke drink, and it's gonna be wonderful as y'all have you know, no one cares about the plane. No one cares about the hotel room, actually.
They wanna know that they're gonna have fun at at Epcot Center. Right. So you sell the medicine. You sell the headache powder, but you give them the vitamin that that prevents the headaches from happening.
[02:43:02] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:43:04] Rich Chelson:
Because people want the quick fix.
[02:43:08] Unknown:
Well, yeah.
[02:43:09] Rich Chelson:
So so you want if we're gonna so, like, if I was to sell my stuff, I would wanna be selling it as this is how this is the definitive answer to how you can have a better relationship with your wife. Right. Now you, you can't make while on Facebook, you can't make wild claims like, in twenty eight days, you will have the best sex in your life. Okay. There's no way to prove that that's gonna work. Alright? They and they'll they'll outright, deny your your ability to, to use that ad if I was to say something like that. The same as people who are selling weight loss. Be be, be 12 pounds lighter in in seven days.
They're either gonna get rejected because it's a it's a claim that, though might be possible, is not is not allowed by by Facebook because it's too much of a outland too close to an outlandish claim. If they allow that thing, they'll you'll have somebody making the claim lose 50 pounds in two days.
[02:44:24] Unknown:
I've seen those ads. I just scroll well, not on Facebook. No. On Facebook. Yeah.
[02:44:30] Rich Chelson:
No. No. Not on Facebook, but, yeah, I've seen shit like that. Oh, yeah. I have too. Yeah. Take this pill. Go buy. Congratulations. It's also called, legal methamphetamine. So
[02:44:41] Unknown:
Well, hey. You know, like you said, you selling the the, the Selling the fix. Not the not medicine. So Right. Right. And and you didn't say nothing about math or nothing, so, you know,
[02:44:59] Rich Chelson:
you're good. Right? Yeah. Hey. You're you're in like Flint, man. So but, yeah, that's, but that's when it comes to it comes to selling, I mean, there's there's a lot to it. It's not just something that is very straightforward. You just go here. Here's the post. Here's what I'm doing. Here's the picture. Put it out there. Well, how do we only get a 28 responses? Or we had a 28 views, but no one replied. Well, okay. So you had something wrong in that mix. Alright. Something wasn't jiving with the with your intended audience, whether it's the picture, the title, the copy.
And you can fiddle with those three topics. You can also, you know, you can also mess around with the, with the audience too if you wanted to. But, as a whole, you know what the what your audience is. You have a pretty good idea of who your audience is, where they can be found, what they're doing. And so you can lay in that type of demographic. But then when it comes to the the details of what the ad looks like, that's one that where so many people want to, wanna to fish around with.
[02:46:09] Unknown:
Right.
[02:46:10] Rich Chelson:
And so you you do. You have to sit there and and niggle it around and needle it over here, and let's just try this. No. That ain't working hard. Let's try this and that. No. And you have to do that too. I still I have to do that on my website. I'm still going through about once a month or so. I'd change a few things on the on the copy of the, of the, of the coaching one on one coaching page. Still ain't got shit, so I'm still missing the critical point that actually draws people's attention. And I would love if Google hadn't freaking got rid of the optimization, our Google optimized site because they had a really good AB testing site there.
Right. And I haven't been able to find an AB tester that works. Everything that I've everything I've tried so far, it's you put when you put up your your your your your post, and then you put up a alternative to the post. Uh-huh. And then all it does is goes through and shows, shows a. And you look at it and it's like, yeah. A, you had 750 o two views. B, you had zero views. That's because you haven't been showing b b. You know? It's like no one's interacting with either one.
[02:47:33] Unknown:
Well okay. Okay. Okay. Let me ask this. Since the age of the Internet, and and I know things have evolved and all like this, you would think someone would have, come up with a stand alone program that they could sell and make a few pennies on that would take the demographic because and and I know the demographic changes all the time. But you could do your AB testing against simulated data, which it's not really simulated because it because since all these sites gather all this information, they have relevant data that they could run these ads against and give you somewhat of an around
[02:48:29] Rich Chelson:
about how well the ad would do, which is I bet you probably could. It's probably the the Chad GPT two hundred dollar a month plan.
[02:48:37] Unknown:
Oh oh, hell no.
[02:48:40] Rich Chelson:
I ain't spending that money for that type of information. No. Hell no.
[02:48:46] Unknown:
Yeah. No. And, I mean, I mean, possibly so, but but you see, that's the thing. You know, you would think by now that someone would have made software or something like that using all the data that has been collected
[02:49:02] Rich Chelson:
about Oh, I'm sure AHrefs has something like that. You know? And but, you know But, again, AHrefs is a is a again, also, like, a $500 hundred dollar to $500, I forget, it's some stupid expensive a month, program.
[02:49:20] Unknown:
Say a month.
[02:49:23] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. See here. Let me I'll I'll tell you. I'll let me bring up a hrefs, tell you how much it cost a month.
[02:49:31] Unknown:
Yeah. You see, dude, most of these sites and all like this got on the bandwagon, making all software as a service. And because before software, you buy it once, you owned it. You know? Not now. Right. Now you pay, you know, whatever it is they want.
[02:49:57] Rich Chelson:
Plans and price. Lights. This is light. Oh, good god. I don't give a shit about the value of the privacy. Alright. No. I don't want fucking FAQs either. I don't fucking give a shit, dude. Alright. So light. This is the smallest plan. Alright? This allows five projects, six months of historical data, 750 tracked keywords, 10 or a hundred thousand crawled credits, 50 credits per user, one user included, and two more users at $40 a month each. Starts off at a hundred and $20 a month. Oh my god. Hundred and $30 a month. And you can go all the way up to let's see here.
Come on. Go all the way up to $450 a month. You get 50 projects, five years of historical data, five so could you picture paying $450 a month for five fucking years? No. 5,000 tracked keywords, 1,500,000 crawl credits, unlimited credits per user, one user included. You can add another 10 more users for $80 a month each.
[02:51:22] Unknown:
Good god.
[02:51:24] Rich Chelson:
All standard features includes, include a Webex four, Looker Studio integration, search type distribution, agency directory listings, all light features, plus, portfolios, content explorer, batch analysis, search engine, search, compare search engine, results, program comparison. So you got dashboard, site explorer, keyword explorer, site auditor, right tracker, you know, and it's like, yeah. Son of a bitch. Yep. I would love to use Ahrefs. Everyone talks about how great Ahrefs is. Of course, at that price, they better be really fucking good. They better be, you know, a hundred and $40 about once a month that ought to fry our hands and give me a handy from time to time.
[02:52:16] Unknown:
Right.
[02:52:19] Rich Chelson:
It's like Gemini, man. That's freaking expensive.
[02:52:22] Unknown:
Yeah. That is.
[02:52:24] Rich Chelson:
And so, I mean and it's like well, Kajabi is just as expensive as as as that is, and that's another that's just a a slap together type of, type of website that bundles a bunch of stuff together.
[02:52:39] Unknown:
Okay. Yeah. I'm just you know, that's the thing. It's it's like, you know, you would think that that there would be something that is a little more cost effective, especially for someone starting out because some you know, someone starting out doesn't have $450 a month or a hundred bucks a month. I mean, they can, but not normally.
[02:53:06] Rich Chelson:
Uh-huh. They can, but not normally.
[02:53:09] Unknown:
Right. Right. Oh, yeah. But but, see, that's the thing. You know? You would think that there'd be something to help people along the way. And then as they get more and more and start selling and stuff like that, you know, they could, you know, upgrade to the better plans.
[02:53:30] Rich Chelson:
Right.
[02:53:31] Unknown:
You know? That's just my thought. So
[02:53:35] Rich Chelson:
Well, actually, Joby is at least a little bit cheaper. It allows you to do three websites, a hundred products, a a hundred thousand contacts, unlimited marketing emails, unlimited landing pages, group on bar onboarding, Kajabi AI, creator studio, third party integrations, twenty four seven support, affiliate programs, custom domains, custom branding, multiple admin users, webhooks, and custom code editors, all for $319. Well, typically, it's actually $400, k, but they give you a special price. And the the bay the basic one, which is the growth plan, is still a hundred and $60 a month.
[02:54:17] Unknown:
And that's not counting hosting. Right?
[02:54:20] Rich Chelson:
No. Well, that's what they do. They host. They host it all. You get one website, 15 product. You could actually put 15 different types of products on your site, so you're limited on that. So if you have 25 different, products, say, you've got five books you're selling and and 25, courses, guess what you're not selling? Your books. You well, you your books and five of your, and 10 of your, or and five of your your your your courses Right. You only get 25,000 contacts, which, I mean, only is a is a funny word for 25,000. But, you know, if you get popular, you know, you're you're not doing very you're you're gonna be hit that limit eventually.
Unlimited marketing email, so good. You can send as much marketing out as you can. Unlimited landing page spam all you want. Well well no. Because most most emails sites, if you're doing spam, it it's actually gonna get blocked. It'll it'll actually, it'll actually block you because I I'm I've got, SendFox as my email man as my email service, and that which would be just because, through, AppSumo, I was able to get it for, like, $50 for lifetime access. So it's like, hell, yeah. Let's do that. The only issue that you run into is that if somebody doesn't interact with your with your email
[02:55:53] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[02:55:56] Rich Chelson:
They're considered inactive. So they will not send an email to them. Okay. And a lot like, ConvertKit and places like that, they're the same way. Mailchimp. They're not gonna send emails to people who are not active.
[02:56:14] Unknown:
Right.
[02:56:15] Rich Chelson:
And it's that's because if people are just getting it and they're just throwing it away, that's looking at Google, mail, Hotmail, places like that, they're gonna see that as, oh, they didn't care to have that, so that must have been sent to them without their approval. And so that's spam. Right. And so eventually, you get put on the spam, spam spam list. But the other problem is is that the email sender gets hit with that too. So they have to keep an eye out on their own on their own goods and make sure their standing is good. So they that's one reason why they do this is because they have to do it to make sure that they stay in good standing with the spam blockers too.
[02:57:03] Unknown:
Wow.
[02:57:04] Rich Chelson:
So yeah. It's it's a it sucks because I have, I mean, I don't have many, at least no. I'm nowhere near, like, Pat Flynn. You know? He's got, like, 4,000,000, subscribers to his email letter or newsletter. And and I've got my 35, but out of that 35, I have seven active.
[02:57:28] Unknown:
Okay.
[02:57:29] Rich Chelson:
So, basically, what I do is after after about three months, if someone stays inactive, it's alright. You're out of here. I'd I go on and eject them. I just delete them from the list because I would rather just have a measly list of seven people that I know is least active. I would just say, hey. I've got a % open rate. You know? Well, you got I can go. I could say I could say that and people go, you got a %. How'd you do that? Well, you only have seven people.
[02:57:54] Unknown:
So
[02:57:56] Rich Chelson:
Oh, okay. So but but now and and see, again, that's just when it comes to Internet marketing, I get why people hate them so much.
[02:58:12] Unknown:
Right.
[02:58:13] Rich Chelson:
But at the same time, goddamn, man. It would help out tremendously if, you know, if you're going to make a promise, voice want that as explicitly state what that promise is. Alright? It may be hard for you to reach. If you can't reach it, then don't make a promise. Right. So don't sell. We'll we'll improve it. Improve your social media. How? We're gonna do this and this and this and this and this. Alright? Even that. You're not telling me that you're not giving away the secret sauce. I have to join up to join up the on the, on the news group or on the on the the, workshop to be able to get all the juicy details on how this this this this and this work together.
[02:59:05] Unknown:
Oh, remember remember.
[02:59:07] Rich Chelson:
And it would be great if they actually if she if she was to have told me, it's this this this this this and those that, that, that, that, and that all you could build upon each other. And I may not find point number one, point number two, all that interesting because maybe that's something I already know. You wanna be on Facebook and you wanna be on at least two others, two other, sites, but make sure that there are sites that one your clients are go your potential clients are gonna be on and that you have good responses with. So, you know, going on to Pinterest may not do very much good for you, but going on to Instagram because you're a a travel agent, okay, might do you good.
[02:59:52] Unknown:
Right.
[02:59:53] Rich Chelson:
So you wanna make sure that you, you know, have those two and then, you know, the third one may come in and all of a sudden, hey. Alright. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. There's some there's a little bit of information I didn't know. Fourth one. Oh, hey. There's a big chunk, there's a gold nugget that I didn't know. That helps kinda put everything together and now I'm starting to really grasp. And then five is the really nice, nugget. And then if you wanna know even more about it, then you come check out, you know, my my academy for $12,000. Right. And I would have been because, I mean, I've spent $25,000 or $21,000 for my my coaching program to become certified.
I have no problem spending that type of money if I find the value in it. And it how long did it take me to finally decide, you know what? Instead of dreaming about it, let's go ahead and shit and get off the pot. I listened to Bert Castillo for eight years, And I actually went back when I first found her. I went back and listened to the first two years.
[03:01:13] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[03:01:15] Rich Chelson:
And that was a whole lot of Brook and Steel, but at the same time, those first two years worth of of, of podcast just mind bombs. Just every single boom. Boom. Holy shit. Your thoughts create your actions. Your actions create your results. I mean, it's everything about it. Your your circumstance is just a, is is is neutral. You know, everything about it was just, oh, oh, oh, you know? And then we're got around that she, you know, When she started doing her sell selling her, her her class, it started out as $12,000 also. And I was like, oh, damn.
And I would she would do it about, three times a year. She would have an advertisement. Every time she's talking about the advertisement, it took, you know, three years worth of listening, and I was like, oh. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, yeah. How do I come up with $12,000? But the problem was is after every year, there was a bit of an increase. Mhmm. There's a bit of an increase. There's a bit of an until finally, I was like going, if I don't do this now, I'm never gonna be able to get this. And so I found a way of coming up with $21,000 and getting certified.
Right. Now going through the certification caused me to realize, oh, I really didn't actually have to be certified to have the confidence to do what I wanted to do.
[03:02:51] Unknown:
Right.
[03:02:52] Rich Chelson:
So it was a it was a good lesson learned. It was that 20 it it still was I still consider that a $21,000 well spent. It helped me see a lot of stuff in my life that I needed to focus in on. Gave me the skills of what a model is, how to actually to how to actually utilize the model to help, to help the men that I wanna help out become better. Help them realize your thoughts are getting in the way of your great relationship with your wife. Mhmm. Get out of your own damn way, and you'll find out, holy smokes, that that tiger in the bed is still there. She's still hot is hot for your bod. But you have to you have to do the work on yourself.
[03:03:46] Unknown:
Right.
[03:03:49] Rich Chelson:
But to to be able to get to that point, yeah, I had to go through and I had to realize. It's like, oh, well, that was that was a a big lesson to learn and an expensive lesson to learn. I'm glad I spent that money, but, again, that's because I found the value. Right. It was that was a long tail, buying, forget what the the actual term is, but anyhow, it it took a while for for that sale to happen. Damn near ten years For me to finally go, okay. Yeah. Let's go ahead and let's buy this. Of course, then I'm go off and I get real pissed because she goes off and hits the ten year mark, and now she's she's kinda shutting everything down a bit. I'm like, oh, no. Not Yale. Damn it.
Because she's helping her son, Christopher, become a professional golfer. And so she is basically I I I joke around saying that she's grouping right now and chasing after her son all over the, as he does his professional tour or try to get himself into the professional tour. But at the same time, the life coach school is not doing anything. It doesn't have any it's not doing the, any of the coaching that it used to do. It's not doing any the classes that it used to do. It's not doing anything right now. It's just kinda stopped, and it's just sitting there. Cranks out a a a podcast.
Maybe we okay?
[03:05:39] Unknown:
I think dude's passed out.
[03:05:42] Duuude-Ron :
No. Not yet. Okay. Not yet. But everything that you've said over the last forty five minutes has gone so far over my head. I have not even gotten a breeze from the, the tail ring.
[03:05:59] Rich Chelson:
Yeah. I I just got looking. I was like, holy crap. It's 10:00, guys. So we need to go ahead and wrap this up. So anyhow but, yeah, there's a lot of lessons that that have been learned. And and when it comes to the social media stuff, you don't have to play fast. You don't have to, don't have to pull a fast one to provide value for your clients. I that's the thing I've learned is that I'm going to provide way more value to to the guys that I do a workshop with. Right. I am going to when I get done, I am going to be tired. I wanna be tired. I want to have left it out all out on the field.
And instead of going, well, here's this, here's this, here's this, here's this. Oh, and now that you don't, and now that I have I've teased the senses with what you could possibly do by not actually giving you any type of really big, big bits of information. If you want those bits of information, you might, and that's because this is what I think. I might be able to get what I need from that $12,000 course, but that's such a big ask. I'm not gonna do it. I would rather them go, holy smokes, man. They Brian's been going off giving me is basically sold me a brand spanking new Mercedes Benz car for $50.
Who could say no to that? I mean, hell, yeah. This thing has got five miles on it. It all everything is is authentic. It's it's a real Mercedes car. I don't know why he's selling it for $50. Something might be wrong, but at the same time, I can't let this thing go. And if he's given if he's doing that for something free, what's he gonna do with a, with a $12,000 course, which wouldn't be $12,000? Alright. What's the what's the group meet group coaching gonna be like? Well, it'll be maybe a hundred dollars a month. But you've got a group of guys that's all there. They're all helping each other, and they're all committed to each other, and they're we're all hitting our goal.
You know?
[03:08:22] Unknown:
Yeah.
[03:08:25] Rich Chelson:
And so if three is it blows your mind, wait until you pay. You know? Right. Right. So but, anyhow, so guys, I wanna say thank y'all very much for taking the time to listen, hear what the world were saying, and having to say, and and complaining, and even those times when I decide to go whip out the old the old grouch box and and start grousing a little bit. It's this, podcast is could easily be described as three heads, one brain, but we're we're a little bit more than that because we are three friends who are out to enjoy life as completely as we can together.
Now we're all in different parts of the country. We've got one in Mississippi, one in Oklahoma, and one in Texas. So we don't see each other all that often, but we do sit down and have a conversation once a week. In all reality, actually, we have a con we reach out and talk to each other twice a week, but one's a a veteran, veteran group. And if you're a veteran and you'd like to join that group, reach out to me, [email protected]. Love to hear from you and just let me know, and I can send a, send an invite over to you. And we meet every every Wednesday from eight to ten. So just, just one of those one of those fun things that, don't probably need to talk more about, but would sadly, we don't.
But anyhow, we talk we like to talk and live, within a within each other's lives, at least for for a few hours, just so that we are in contact. We know that each of us are probably a member of each other's 03:00 with people, which is that person that at 03:00 in the morning, if you were two states away and needed somebody to pick you up, one of us is probably gonna hop in a car and and drive two states away to pick them up and and get them to where they need to be. And that's that's what a man's community is all about, is those close friends, those friends that we know we can, we can depend on.
And so that's what we're doing here. It's just showing guys, hey. This you can talk about whatever you want. You can come y'all can y'all can do your own podcast. If you want to, please do. Show up. Do start doing a podcast. You can do one with three people, four people, eight people. It might be a little tough to get in a word in edgewise with eight people, but who knows? You might have a whole bunch of people who don't talk that much and one guy like me who just can't stop the aberrant. So it it it is what it is, and y'all you can you can find your your group. But the cool thing about our our podcast is that it is not supported by advertisers. You're not gonna see Casper mattresses or or, you know, organic toothbrushes or or anything like that around here. You're gonna see us talking. And if you wanna help out, then you are we accept anything in any, in in any denomination as a means of help. You wanna help us with in time. You wanna be able to go through and set up chapters for our for our episodes. Awesome. Let us know. Reach out to [email protected], or you can get ahold of rich at r chelson. That's [email protected].
And let us know, hey. I'd like to help with the chapters and, or what are chapters and how do I help you with those? You know, you can there's so many different ways that you can, means that, of help. You've maybe you decide, you know what? We need to need a better website. Your site just just stinks. I'm like, alright. Sweet. Well, put it together for us and we and and that'd be a great way of being able to provide talent and and and, time. Because the other way is is talent. If you're great at graphic design, we always use that as the excuse if and wanna set up chapter, images for our chapters, then great. Go ahead. Share bring them bring them in. Send us to send them to us through the email, [email protected], r chelson at g mail dot com. And let us know what what it is, that you're you're sending and and how to what you like for us to use it for, and we'd use it. You cover our chapter art. You know, always could use those. Or if you are if you want, you can also send go to, to our PayPal account. You go to to two grumpy vets, that's all spelled out, tw02grumpyvets.com, and you'll see value for value tab at the top of the site. And there, you can actually go to PayPal and, and send whatever denomination, how often you wanna do. Once a, once a week, once a month, once a year, whatever. You send us, send some money over to us, and we would be highly grateful that would actually go to helping our, helping our hosting and things like that.
So, guys, again, thank you so much for all that y'all do. Thank y'all for coming in and listening. I mean, heck, we could be talking into the void, but, but we interestingly enough, we have people that listen. Yay. And so we we we like that. And we're we're appreciate the fact that you do come in and you do listen, and we are thankful for that. So, Rich, what do you have to say?
[03:14:24] Unknown:
Just I'm glad everybody is is listening. It looks like we've our numbers have come back up. We're over 2,000 downloads, so very happy about that and everything. And just I'm you know, like like Brian said, you know, you know, if you wanna help out with chapter or or just, you know, wanna suggest something or, you know, laugh with us or whatnot, send us an email, you know, [email protected] or [email protected]. And, I mean, we'd love to hear from you. We'd love to answer your questions, on the air. You know? And, if if you have one of the newer podcasting apps like Fountain or, True Fans or something like that, we do, do lives every week, and, you can listen to us. And, I don't know if you can send us a message to them or not. But
[03:15:24] Rich Chelson:
no. Well, you can through, through, like, like fountain at the moment. But, yeah, they're still trying trying to figure out the whole, the whole Boosts, thing right now. So they're Right. They're still trying to work through that. So, I mean, I'm not I'm not gonna talk down about, about anything that, Dave Jones or or Adam Curry are doing because they are doing amazing work, and they're trying to figure out they're trying to figure out a whole bunch of stuff. Cross hat, comments so that we y'all could actually talk with each other and make comments about kinda like super chats in in, in YouTube. They're trying to get to figure out how to get that implemented so that, you know, so that y'all could actually talk with each other and have conversations about our conversations.
And, there's, forget who it is. Someone figured out how to do something like that through Blue Sky, which is amazing. That's a it's a activity pub client. So it, it fits in with, with a lot of what Dave and Adam are trying to do. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[03:16:34] Unknown:
Okay. But either way, it's still you know, That's all still in the works. The easiest way is to send us an email. So, yeah, send us let us know your thoughts and everything like this because, we enjoy doing this and, you know, I mean, we all have fun. And like, Brian said, you know, we talk on Wednesday nights as well. So, yeah, we yeah. And that's from eight to ten. So, yeah, we talk, like, five hours a week minimum. You know, sometimes it's more because we might pick another day and talk. It never arrives. But, say, we've always got something to say. One whether it's right, wrong, or indifferent, we've got something to say, all of us.
So other than that, that's that's about all I got. Thank you for listening, and, come back and listen to us again. Tell your friends. Tell your mama and them. We don't care. Let everybody hear it. Share us out. So, dude, what have you got?
[03:17:36] Rich Chelson:
Oh, did Paul slip yet?
[03:17:39] Unknown:
I think he yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think he bit the dust.
[03:17:46] Rich Chelson:
Those meds, I tell you, they are powerful.
[03:17:48] Unknown:
Right. Right. So okay. Well, since dude has, bit the dust once again, we will, I guess, say good night and, have a good rest of your week and, you know, come back and listen next week. So
[03:18:03] Duuude-Ron :
Alright.
[03:18:05] Rich Chelson:
Man. You say it, man. Absolutely, man. You do the same. We will talk to y'all next week. Till then, bye.
[03:18:12] Unknown:
Later.
[03:18:14] Rich Chelson:
Alright, Rich. Catch you later. Alright, Brian. See you. Bye. Night, dude. Night, dude.
Introduction and Show Overview
Radio Station Adjustments and DIY Solutions
Weather and Yard Challenges
Antenna Setup for Contest
Discussion on Neurodiversity and Labels
Children's Activities and Parenting Reflections
Nature and Wildlife Encounters
Fire Safety and Neighborhood Concerns
Gene Hackman News and Speculations
Jeffrey Epstein Files Discussion
Political Corruption and Accountability
Afterlife Speculations and Humor
Witch Hazel and Home Remedies
Social Media Marketing Frustrations
Internet Marketing and Value Proposition
Closing Remarks and Listener Engagement
