The Vance Crowe Podcast

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In this episode, Vance Crowe delves into the cultural shifts that are quietly but rapidly unfolding beneath the surface of our society.  

This change, is not inherently good or bad, but it's crucial to be aware of it to avoid the dangers of mob mentality. Vance discusses how the narratives that have long defined us are being challenged by new voices and ideas that were once considered unthinkable. Figures like Nick Fuentes and Sam Hyde are gaining traction among young people, offering perspectives that challenge the status quo and the traditional Overton window of acceptable discourse.

These emerging voices are not just about political dissent; they represent a broader cultural shift where young people are seeking new ideas and narratives that resonate with their experiences and frustrations. As mainstream platforms struggle to contain these ideas, alternative platforms are flourishing, providing a space for free speech and new ideas. 

Vance explores how this cultural change could impact power dynamics and societal structures, urging listeners to critically engage with these ideas and consider their implications.

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Okay. It has been a little while since I've sat down to   talk just directly to you.   Business has been growing. My family's been growing and I have had the rare opportunity to just stop and observe what's going on in culture.   And I've actually started to notice something that I think is worth bringing up with you. I think it's worth bringing up because   I think there's going to be a culture change that's gonna be massive.   And I am not here to tell you that this culture change is good or it's   bad or,   that you should participate in it. I just want you to be aware of it. And I think that the reason I want you to be aware of it is because it's the awareness itself   that I think can help you   avoid   the mob.  

And   long time listeners of the podcast know that that is what I believe to be the greatest threat to all of humanity is always   joining a mob.   Joining a group of people that are angry and that think that they have a solution.   And so they shout and yell and they turn over their animal like instincts to this mob   and,   they imagine that whatever they destroy in the process is gonna solve their problems.   And, I hate that and I think it is very, very dangerous.   And so I think one of the ways that you prevent yourself from joining the mob is to make cold observations   about what's happening.  

And I don't think there's just one mob that's gonna come but I I what I wanted to describe is the culture change that I think is coming and then   kind of explore, you know, who are these mobs that are gonna that are gonna sprout up, that are gonna be led   by emotion and probably fervent leaders.   And, and that way, you can make this   cold and objective   observation   about the right thing for you, which I am going to suggest is always   to not join the mob.   So I think, you know, when Trump got all elected,   there was all this talk about draining the swamp and then we're gonna get rid of all these people that are pedophiles   in our in our government system. We're gonna we're gonna get rid of all the illegal immigrants. We're going to,   stop going to war.  

And there were all these people that were like, yeah. Finally.   Finally, we are going to get rid of this ruling class elites that have been taking from us but not giving.   And then   none of it really happened.   And in fact, even if you look around and you say, well, the they're the illegal is being deported and and we're making these strides in in bringing the economy back.   Okay.   But I think there are a lot of people that would point to the way that Trump said, if you are still interested in   in Epstein,   then you're not on MAGA. You are not a part of our team. And I think you can say   that is where a line got drawn in the sand and he created   enemies   from within his own community.  

Right? And I think there are a lot of older people, boomers, you might say, that are like, that's just the way that it is. Right? This is just the horse trading that happens. He said some things and now he got in there and he realizes he can't do it or there might be other people that are like, no, no, no. This is like five d chess   and, you just gotta hang on for a little bit longer. You know, he's he's gonna come around and then we're gonna get to find out who all these bad people were. And then on top of that, there are some people that are like, well, we may not get Epstein but we are finding out that Trump,   is gonna go after   Obama, somebody that was in office,   you know,   a decade ago and we're gonna find him for all these bad things that he did. And whoever that's working for, I can tell you that it is not working   for young men.  

Young men that are struggling to find jobs,   that know that AI is just pounding on the door to try and break through and make it so they can't earn a living.   And these young men who have been told, particularly white young men, you have this privilege. You have all of these advantages and and we need to level the playing field and you're a racist and you're doing all these bad things. So these young men are like, woah.   I supported you and now this thing that I said was important, the fact that we were, you know,   trading the the sanctity of young girls to be able to create blackmail on leaders and elites   that now maybe some other country controls and this is what's determining whether we're gonna go bomb another country and maybe go to war for them and we're gonna send all this money out to them. Like,   these young men are are they're not having it,   Right? They either didn't go to college or they did go to college. They have huge debt and now they're trying to find a job in this wild economy   and they're looking around and they're like, wait a second. I I put my my faith. I put work in for this. I I put my reputation on the line   and now you're throwing me out.  

Will they go start looking for somebody else to to,   to to listen to?   And I think they are encountering a guy named Nick Fuentes.   Now, for anybody that doesn't know, Nick Fuentes is a conservative figure. He's 26 years old   and,   several years ago when there was this huge cancel culture movement,   he was one of the people that was targeted and completely thrown out of social media. Every single platform, YouTube, Twitter,   Instagram, Facebook, everybody   threw him out and said he has radical ideas. These are unthinkable ideas. He he says things like,   I don't wanna live near black people and the Jews are the cause of all these problems.  

Now, in our society, if we talk about the Overton window, these are unthinkable ideas. These are ideas   that if in any part of culture you bring these things up, you are going to be thrown out. You will never get a corporate job. And corporate America   went out and said, not only are you we're not gonna hire you. We're gonna make sure that ads that we run don't run anywhere near you and any platform that has you on, we're not going to support. And so he got thrown off on those platforms   just like people like Alex Jones did.   But it went even further. He got debanked. His banks came to him and said, no. We're we are not going to   allow you to run any kind of, credit cards. We're not going to allow you to have people donate money to you. And so he was completely thrown out.  

And this happened when he was like in his early twenties, right?   And,   so he kinda went away, right? People didn't hear about him. They didn't know anything about him but he started off on other platforms. He built up his own   platform. There's platforms like Rumble.   I don't even know where these other ones are. Like, there there are places where you can go on the Internet where you could broadcast and and you could make it so people can send you donations.   But Nick Fuentes came back.   And as he came back, he was saying things   that nobody really was saying out in the world. He was talking about like, hey. Trump is not gonna solve your problems. Hey. When when they get into office, you're being tricked. This is not gonna work.  

And so now when Trump turned on his base and said, you're not a part of MAGA if you want to come after these Epstein files,   People started saying, wait a second. No. That that's not right. And who is it that that was right all along about this? Oh, Nick Fuentes.   And so these young people are hearing these ideas   and they are now coming to the very clear conclusion   that it does not matter who you elect.   That even the guy that got shot at,   even the guy that the entire   establishment came after him, tried to put him in jail, tried to do all these things. When he gets into office,   he's not doing anything for us either.  

So they are not interested   in trying to do the Elon Musk path.   They're not interested in like, oh, well, let's start a new party and that new party is going to, you know, be some blend between,   you know, the left that feels like the left went too crazy and   the libertarians and the, you know, Elon Musk is talking about this America party.   Instead,   Nick Fuentes followers who call themselves Groypers,   they're going out there and saying, no, we want chaos in this system.   You guys don't want us, to participate in MAGA. You don't want us to be a part of   of,   you know, the economy and and and making the right decisions about not going to bomb Iran.  

We're not gonna play in this system anymore.   We are going to vote for Democrats. We are going to try and, put as many political memes out into the world that are gonna cause chaos as we can.   And I think one of the reasons that the groipers   are growing   in numbers   is that   they are   they are breaking   the narratives   that   have been used for several generations to describe   who are we as Americans,   what is our founding story,   who is us   and who is them and   they are coming to conclusions   that in the past had been completely unthinkable.   You know, ever since maybe the seventies and eighties when there started to be a politically correct culture that would say, hey, banks. You are not allowed to,   base your lending,   on certain neighborhoods to certain groups of people. You're not allowed to do that.  

And and then over time, these ideas became entrenched into society and they said, no, not only can you not choose who you lend to based on their race, you're not even allowed to say or make any observations about race whatsoever.   And so when Nick Fuentes comes out and makes observations   that are,   you know, have some basis in research,   then people that are,   in the regular Overton window say, you are thrown out and the groipers are saying, 'Wait a second. Nobody ever told me this.   Nobody ever told me this thing about race. Nobody ever told me this thing about history.   And so now what's happening is the narratives that used to hold us together   are being shredded.  

And in The United States, we have,   we don't have this like thick   cultural history that transcends   hundreds of years. Right? We're not all Irish or Hungarian   or Russian.   We have been a melting pot and this melting pot is based on these ideas about where we came from, who is we, who is them, who should we let in, who should we not let in,   And that has been controlled by the dominating force and the Groypers   don't believe those narratives anymore.   And they are putting out new information that is challenging what people used to believe. And just like COVID,   where we discovered   the government is absolutely willing   to say things that are not true, that they know aren't true in order to get social cohesion, in order to get people to do what they want them to do.  

And they're saying this is true about, the factors that led us to World War two.   The same thing is true of how our political system is is being run by other governments who are using,   you know,   young women to entrap,   powerful men in in sex schemes and then use that power to be able to get them to go to war with other countries on their behalf.   And so I bring this up because   I think it'd be very easy if these concepts, these people you've never heard of,   that when the mainstream media or however you consume news brings them up,   they do it with an eye roll. They do it with a dismissiveness   that you do not take these ideas seriously,   that you think like, oh, those are just crazy people. Those are people far away. This is not something that's going to affect things.  

I'm here to tell you that it is.   I'm here to tell you that the system as we see it right now   is definitely   cracking up   and I'll give you an example.   You know, the it's so easy for us all to be like, hey, Facebook, that's young people don't join that. Right? That's for older people. Young people join Instagram.   Well, now that is also true now of things like YouTube   and,   other platforms like Instagram. Wherever wherever   people were posting things,   well, the new generation   is not there. And the reason that they're not there is because those platforms were completely   contained.  

They said these are the ideas you're allowed to hear and ideas that are outside of this Overton window, you're not allowed to hear. So people went on to other platforms and those platforms   put themselves forward as, hey, we're we are going to allow you to say what you want. We are going to be a free speech platform And where there is free speech, there are new ideas that people haven't heard. And who is going to flock to new ideas they haven't heard? The younger generation.   Particularly, the younger generation   that has been   pushed around and kicked around and told that, all of the all of the   narratives that we have point to the fact that you're bad or wrong.  

And, I I wouldn't just say that the culture change is Nick Fuentes and the Groypers. He's a big part of it. Another person that I would bring up that maybe you've never heard of is a is a man named   Sam Hyde.   Sam Hyde has one of the funniest   TED talks that you have ever seen although if you watch it and you don't know what you're watching,   it is so   extremely   uncomfortable   that I can barely describe it. But   so Sam Hyde goes to this,   TEDx talk, you know, where people stand up and normally they're citing these, you know, statistics and facts and they they package together a story that makes the audience feel good   and, and, you know, is all tied together in a bow. Well, Sam Hyde   stands on stage and I don't wanna ruin it for you, but he shatters   that narrative. And he does it in a way   that only a a complete   a person that is so willing   to completely   embody an idea the way that I I understand Andy Kaufman used to.  

And so I recommend you go go to YouTube, type in Sam Hyde TEDx Talk and you'll watch   truly a different mind do something on stage that is shocking.   Well, Sam Hyde, similarly,   used to be on mainstream.   He used to have a comedy show, on on what was called Adult Swim and he got canceled on there for some of the jokes that he was making and so he went out and created his own   comedy platform   where they make their own sketches. They do their own reality shows. Now, they are not polished like corporate America   but they own themselves   completely   all the way down to how their payments get processed.  

And what this has enabled them to do is to say things that you can't say on other platforms.   And so now, young people are going there and they are hearing ideas   that they've never heard before.   And Sam Hyde will, you know, talk about,   you know, how to improve yourself, about how to,   what why the narrative is stacked against you. I I particularly like he did a video on Bitcoin that actually was one of the best explanations   about Bitcoin that I've ever heard. And trust me, I've heard thousands   of descriptions of this, but he was talking about it in terms   that a young person   that is working their ass off and always having their value stripped from them through inflation,   he explains it in a way that young person that maybe doesn't have an education   could get.  

In any case, Sam Hyde is also talking about countercultural ideas. He has,   things that cannot be said in the normal Overton window   and his audience is growing as well.   And so as I am seeing ideas that used to be totally unacceptable, they would get you thrown out, have now moved into radical   and I would even say   acceptable ideas.   And I think that these ideas   when you first encounter them   are going to make you   deeply uncomfortable.   And you're gonna look around and be like, wait, wait, wait. You're not allowed to say that. And maybe you are and maybe you're not. And maybe you should say it and maybe you shouldn't.   You be the decider as to whether these are good ideas, whether they are a benefit to society.  

But one thing you should recognize   is they are breaking in.   These ideas are now getting proliferated   and they are growing.   And   this, I believe,   is the signal   that culture is about to change.   And I think that this change   is something   it's something   unexpected.   It's it's something where the outcome is not it's not obvious to me what it's gonna be. I think a lot of people right now   look at the economy. They they see,   you know, the Kobayashi letter say, hey, you know, the amount of debt is going way up and and young people can't,   afford their mortgages and they can't buy things and and so we kind of all sense   that there is some kind of economic cataclysm that maybe is just hanging right off the edge.  

And so we sense there's gonna be this big epic moment like a September 11 or like the banks failing   But I'm not so sure that's what's gonna happen.   What I think could happen   is that culture change is happening underneath the surface.   What people to believe to be true,   what they who they respect,   who they are following,   this is changing   really fast underneath the surface. And if you are only connected to mainstream   outlets, even if they're the podcasts that are within that Overton window,   you're never gonna hear about these ideas   which is why I'm bringing them up. You know, couple of years ago,   Kanye West   started saying   outlandish things about   about culture. He was talking about how the Jews ran the media and about how,   things were unfair. He he puts out music and and slams Adidas for what they're doing.  

And he was doing this two years ago when people were like, clearly he's having a bipolar or manic disorder. Something is terribly wrong here.   But you know, one thing that I always do is try and watch artists   and try and say, like, what is it that they are expressing? Because oftentimes artists, whether they're a singer or a painter or a sculptor, whatever,   they can see the future   before other people can.   And what Kanye West was saying two years ago was totally unacceptable. It was pushed completely out of society.   And now two years later,   this is in society.  

This is in platforms.   And even though I was saying some of these platforms like YouTube are are becoming kind of old fashioned or passe,   even those places   have had to open up the Overton window.   And now people like Sam Hyde who are talking about things like, oh, this is the Jewish control of the media or these these are   the countries that are actually controlling us or this is what's going on with COVID.   Even those guys, as long as they bleep out the words that they're not allowed to say, they're allowed to have their ideas on on YouTube. And why?   Well, because YouTube is a business.  

And at the end of the day, they know that if they do not allow these ideas to be published on their platform, people are going to leave in droves from their platform.   And so you're watching these ideas that used to only be allowed on Rumble   now come on to YouTube   and the old way of cancelling these ideas of reinforcing   where is the Overton window,   those don't work anymore.   And   I bring all of this up because   I see it.   I don't know what it means exactly   but I can tell you that   when culture changes   so too does power.   And I think   the places that people have gone   when they felt afraid   and when they wanted somebody to lead them   are not going to be where they went.  

I think there are very, very few   people under the age of 35   that are gonna say, oh, when Trump's term is up,   let me let me elect,   JD Vance. Let me continue to make sure the power structure and the conservative   mindset stays in there. I don't think they're doing that.   And so if your worldview is informed by Donald Trump, it just got in good or bad, this is what's gonna come next. It's JD Vance. It's,   it's,   Dan Bongino.   It's,   Tulsi Gabbard.   I think you're wrong.   I think those people are going to be blacklisted in the future society.   And so who will be there?  

What is going to happen?   I think there's gonna be a huge,   drop off in college education   and I think that's not all that profound to say   but I do think that that means that the narrative is gonna change much faster.   So I don't know, man.   I,   I find these ideas to be fascinating and wild and interesting and and   and I am completely capable of listening to these ideas   and being like,   I wonder what the other side thinks of these things and I go to the left and I see   very few new ideas.   Very few people that are getting away from   the narrative   of what's going on and I can tell you that the young people are gonna go to where it's most exciting.  

They're going to go to,   the ideas that make them feel like they have control   and I don't think   that   I don't think the future   three years from now, is going to look anything like it does right now.   Yeah.   And I wanted to bring that up with you.   So this is gonna kinda round out that idea.   I I think that,   if you want to see the future of culture,   you've gotta get out of where you're at and you've gotta find some ideas   that you find to be really taxing,   to really challenge,   who you are and what you think and and what you were taught.   And then   see why are these people   liking these ideas. Is it because they're actually good ideas or is it because it makes them feel empowered?  

And if I don't like these ideas,   where are the counter ideas to these gonna come from?   Because right now,   the these people like, Sam Hyde, Nick Fuentes, Kanye West,   Alex Jones,   they are completely uncancelable.   The the system is not going to stop them.   So   you are either going to choose, do I like these ideas or these ideas that I'm going to follow? Are my children going to follow these ideas?   Or what will be the counterbalance   force?   I don't see any other counterbalance force out there. I don't see anybody out there producing anything,   anywhere close to as compelling as what they're doing.  

And so I bring it to you.   And I ask you, like, do you see this?   Is your Overton window getting opened up and new ideas being put in there? And what do you think the world looks like as inflation gets worse   and unemployment   goes up and AI becomes,   the dominant force in the working world,   where do you think people go for ideas?   Who do you think they're gonna listen to? Is it gonna be the guy that told them nothing to see here,   Epstein didn't happen? Or is it gonna be the guy that says, hey. It's okay. You you know, like   like, it's okay for you to choose who you wanna live by. Hey. Did you know these things about world history that you've never heard before?  

You may not like what I'm saying,   but what I'm saying is actually accurate. This this is happening.   And I don't know what's gonna happen, but I think it's worth you hearing about. So I bring it up with you. Let me know your thoughts on this.   As always,   I believe that a really good thing to do in a time of uncertainty   is to buy Bitcoin.   I,   I've heard a bunch of really shitty stupid arguments against Bitcoin lately where, people were just going out on on x and being like, it's a Ponzi scheme.   Okay. Well, explain to me what a Ponzi scheme is and then draw out for me what Bitcoin is and explain to me how those two are the same thing. And most of the time people are   like, well, you you know what it is. It's that people are gonna pay you. You buy it so that people will pay you more for it in the future. And it's like, yes. That's actually literally everything that you buy   that you don't consume.  

You buy it because you assume that the value of it is going to go up   and and so that yes. You're right. Bitcoin is guilty as charged to that. You buy it now in in the anticipation   that it is going to be worth more later and you can sell it in the future. But here's the kicker. Here's the thing most people don't realize.   I'm not waiting for Bitcoin's price to go up in terms of dollars so that I I can trade Bitcoin for dollars.   I'm going to use the price appreciation of Bitcoin to buy the things that I will consume but it will cost me much, much, much, much less in terms of Bitcoin.   Other arguments that I've heard, I could go into maybe I'll do an entire session on this   But when it all comes down to it, the answer to the chaos that comes from inflation   and new ideas in the Overton window being opened up   is to provide for you and your family.  

And the best way that I know how to do that is to develop your skills,   offer something that the market wants,   and   store your value   in something that, is not going to be diluted and I think that's Bitcoin.   And, if you wanna buy Bitcoin and you wanna support the show,   you can do that on river.com and I will, share a link in the show notes.   And, otherwise,   send me a note. Let me know what you thought of these ideas. Let me know if you've heard of these people and these new ideas, the Groepers,   Nick Fuentes, Sam Hyde.   And, and let me know if you think I'm totally off base. I'm,   I'm always interested in what people see and think.  

And, and   as always,   you can feel free to disagree.