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This week, host Vance Crowe and guest Gavin Spoor discuss the stories impacting the culture of agriculture. 

The MAHA movement can't be happy with the appointment of the USDA Chief of Staff is the former president of the oilseed lobbying group- we will talk about how farmers and the wider culture are viewing this.

We also will discuss a story being totally ignored by the mainstream media- where ranchers have finally given in and agreed to stop grazing on on Point Reyes, a once iconic seascape in the US with cattle grazing.

We also discuss the Bitcoin Land Price Report, hear about what Gavin believes that almost no one agrees with him on, and we will hear about his worthy adversary. 

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Welcome to the Ag tribes Report.I'm your host. Vance Crowe, each   week I bring on a co host torepresent the perspectives of   one of the many ag tribes thatcollectively make up US and   Canadian agriculture. This weekwe have a farm con influencer,   Gavin Spore, a popcorn farmerfrom Martinsburg in northeastern   Missouri. Gavin is the rarefirst generation farmer. His   popcorn that he grows on hisfarm is used at the amazing go   poo popcorn at Fulton, Missouri,which is a gourmet popcorn   place. And they as soon as theyfound out he was coming on, they   were like, That's my popcornguy. So Gavin, welcome to the   egg tribes. Report glad to behere. So what makes popcorn   something? How do you growpopcorn that can be served as   gourmet popcorn? Yep.  

So I, I don't pop any of itmyself. I specialize only in   growing the kernels. But we'regrowing a mushroom kernel, which   pops perfectly round and has alot of surface area that can   hold those coatings, thatcaramel coating, or whatever   flavor they might put on it. Sofocus in a lot on growing high   quality popcorn, and people likegopo Buy a lot of it. So   you're a first generationfarmer. How long you've been in   the game and how quickly, howdid you get in here? Yeah,   I've been around farming myentire life. From a young age, I   knew I wanted to be a farmer,but at the age of 19, I got the   chance to cash rent six acreswhile I was a freshman at   college, and we've grown itsince then. Now it's full time.  

I'm every single day doingsomething on the farm. Well,   we are glad to have you here. Iknow that you were big out in   social media, and it'll beinteresting to hear what you   think is some of the head thinkis some of the headlines for   tonight, which we're going tocover. So tonight we're going to   cover that the former seed oillobbyist becomes the chief of   staff. That's going to cause aproblem with Maha we're going to   talk about the ranch familiesthat accepted a settlement to   move off of Point Reyes, some ofthe coastal grazing area in   California, and we're going totalk a little bit about the   Tiktok ban. Gavin is prolific onTiktok, and so good to hear what   happened when people had thatshut off after that. Of course,   we're heading to the Bitcoinland price report, where we'll   compare land where Gavin livesto the price of Bitcoin. We'll   talk about his Peter Thielparadox, and, of course, his   worthy adversary, and we'regoing to try and do that on this   live show in just 30 minutes. Solet's get started. All right.  

Well, big news, particularlytoday, was that a former seed   oil lobbyist has been announcedas the Chief of Staff of the   USDA, so Thomas Massie one ofthe favorites of the libertarian   and kind of right wingcommunity. Also the MaHA   movement put out a tweet aboutKaylee Buller being appointed to   the Chief of Staff of the USDA.She most recently served as the   president and CEO of theNational oil seed Processors   Association and the edible oilProducers Association. The chief   of staff at the USDA, which isthe position she was appointed   to, works closely with theSecretary to lead strategic,   strategic initiatives, managedaily operations, coordinate   policy and act as a key advisor.So this is a very important   person and a core belief of theMaHA movement, which is being   led by Robert Kennedy Jr,believes that seed oils are bad   and evil, and they are what iscausing inflammation and   allergies and all sorts ofproblems. So Gavin, what does it   say about the MaHA movement thatthe lead of the national oil   seeds and edible producers,edible oil producers is now the   Chief of Staff.  

My best guess is there's goingto be lots of arguments behind   closed doors, maybe, you know,open doors with cement fighting.   Because if you're putting peoplein positions like that with   their prior work experience,that is going directly. Gets   what, what they're trying toaccomplish with that make   America healthy again movement.So it'll be interesting to see   what comes of it. Yeah,   you know, it's, it's afascinating thing, because the   world of agriculture, I think,is only just now becoming, like,   really aware just how big theanti seed oil movement is. And I   think anybody that was lookingat her background would have   known this is something that isgoing to pop onto a bunch of   people's radars, you know, seedoils, which are the, you know,   core staples. It's not only isit soybeans, but it's canola   oil, all the pulses, or a bunchof the pulses that are up north.  

So it's, I mean, I think that,AG, maybe doesn't realize how   big of a part of Maha this isgoing to be and that it's going   to cause a bunch of problems.   Yep, yep, that is true. I willsay I've been doing the   carnivore diet and trying to cutout seed oils, and I feel great,   but at the same time, a lot ofmy income every year comes from   selling soybeans. So it's one ofthose weird things where I don't   know, I don't really know how Ifeel about it even, and I'm a   farmer that's growing up.   So how long have you been on thecarnivore diet, off and on here,   a couple months   harvest, and then Christmasreally screwed it up. Because,   man, there's a lot of good foodthat's not meat that you eat   around Christmas time, but quitea while off and on, and lost   about 15 pounds on it, and itfelt really good. So yeah,   to me, so I've been doing theketo diet, which is a ton of   oils, but they typically try andpush you towards being away from   seed oils. And I have that kindof like suspicion that seed oils   are one of those things that ifI were to pass you a glass of   water and keep looking down atit and kind of smiling and then   looking up at you and thensmiling, you know, you're not   going to drink that water,because you're afraid something   is hidden in there. Andsometimes I wonder if seed oils   are a little like that, likewhen you start watching seed   oils, it means that you'rewatching a whole bunch of your   calorie intake. But because, youknow, there's like this   implication that there might besomething bad in there that   that's what's going on. But atthe same time, in my Keto diet,   I don't eat a lot of seed oils,and I do feel better, but   there's a lot of things going onthere.  

Yeah, I'm going to say it'smostly the elimination of   everything else, all thepreservatives and the weird   words that you can't pronounce,getting rid of almost all of   that and just cutting out somany calories because you're   only eating meat, that forcedelimination is probably where   most of the benefits comingfrom. I'm not going to point my   finger at seed oil, but I willsay I'm not eating a lot of   them, and I feel fine. What   I think probably shocked theworld the most was that the   National there was a nationaloil seed and edible oil   producers coalition, right?There's one of these for for   everybody. They everybody needsto have their interests lobbied   for before Congress and and, butI imagine most people are like,   only finding out that there wasa head lobbyist for this at all.  

Yeah,   yeah. Personally, I didn't knowthat she held that position. You   know, I had something I neverheard of, and I farmed. So,   yeah, so it'll be interesting tosee how that plays out. I think   that this is not the end ofthat. To see Thomas Massie out   there, uh, tweeting about it'sgoing to bring a lot of   attention to it. All right.Headline number two, this is one   that I have seen popping up forthe last couple of weeks some of   the more freedom minded cattleranching people in my x feed are   talking about how ranch familieshave finally accepted a   settlement to move off of PointReyes. So point race is in the   West Coast, in California, andit is a place where cattle   ranching and a state park, or,I'm sorry, a federal park, a   national park have been so. Adeal was announced on January 8   where 12 ranching familiesagreed to end their operations   within 15 months. This was partof a settlement resolving a long   standing dispute betweenenvironmental groups, ranchers   and the National Park Service,the natural The Nature   Conservancy played a key role inmediating this agreement   offering compensation toranchers for their buyout. A   total amount of the buyout wasaround $30 million and this was   aimed at resolving litigationover what was considered to be   the environmental impacts onpark lands. So ranching in port   in Point Reyes began in the mid19th century with dairy and beef   cattle operations, and it becamea big part of the cultural and   economic landscape. Then in 1962the National Seashore was   established, and eventuallyPresident Kennedy included it   with it, made it a nationalpark. But part of that was that   it was they were allowed tocontinue their ranching   operations, to graze them there.So it ended up continuing on and   becoming a really big deal.There were a bunch of Nature   Conservancy groups in here. Iwas going to play a video. I   wasn't able to pull it up, soactually, I just wanted to bring   this to you. Did you hear aboutthis, Gavin? Was this a story   that made that hit your. Xradar. It   didn't hit my x radarpersonally, but I will say I   think there's going to beunintended consequences that   come from taking all of thoselivestock off of the land. Same   as you know, forest fires aremore prevalent because you might   not be grazing underneath theforest floor. So then it might   take a decade or two, butsomething's gonna spark. And   sorry,   that was the video I was whydon't we play it? It'll be worth   it. Yes, we're leaving Point   Reyes, California, the partyline has been that this is a   voluntary agreement between theranching families and the   environmental groups that suedthem and the National Park   Service has absolutely nothingto do with it. I've been   skeptical of that, and I think Ihave proof. 20 years ago, a guy   named Tim setnica was thesuperintendent for Channel   Islands National Park, also inCalifornia, watched the National   Park Service persecute ranchingfamilies on the islands when   they decided they wanted theland. And while he was complicit   at the time, it seems, he wentthrough a big change of heart,   eventually turned whistleblower,going row, telling anyone who   would listen, quote, The ParkService has no soul. Essentially   said that the Park Service has aplaybook where they work   secretly with environmentalgroups to get American citizens,   including ranchers, off of landwanted by the government. The   environmental groups would suethe ranchers until they couldn't   fight anymore, and then the ParkService would swoop in. Back in   2014 Tim setnica held a meetingin Marin County where he warned   the ranchers On Point Reyesseashore, the government is   coming for you. Reporter for ThePoint Reyes light there at the   time, wrote Mr. Seneca framedthe Park Service as a   clandestine government agencythat ignores data and is hostile   to ranching. Much of theinteragency work was more or   less orchestrated to help bringabout the end of ranching.  

Remember, these ranchers allhave a gag order. So to   reiterate, 13 years before theseranchers voluntarily left Point   Reyes in a totally autonomousdecision with these   environmental groups. The formerparks employee warned them that   the government was coming afterthem and that the outcome would   look a whole lot like whathappened last week.   So that was a documentaryfilmmaker named Keely Brazil   Covello, and she has the Xhandle America un one. How did   that video strike you? Gavin,sounds   like maybe they didn't want tomove off, but they were paid   handsomely to do so,   yeah, I think that there's a newstyle going on. It became   particularly popular on Tiktokand x with somebody like Keely   here. There's also that IanCarroll where they're talking   about a story, they make itreally engaging, and the end of   the story is always, dot, dot,dot.  

Yes, yeah, there's that hook,   yeah, but there's, like, theweirdness that you know, like   when you start thinking about,can Nature Conservancy, some of   these other environmental groupsbeing involved with the Park   Service. How does that strikeyou? There's a lot of places   that environmental groups wouldlike to move grazing off of. We   don't do a ton of that inMissouri, but it's still   something that you got to watchout for. What do you think about   the environmental groups beinginvolved with agriculture? It's   hard to fight against them whentheir pockets are that deep,   especially individual farms, orjust farms in that little niche   in that one area. I mean, youcan't compete with that. They're   just going to throw money at ittill they get whatever, whatever   problem solved they want solved,or whatever problem they think   exists. I think it's dangerous,but I also don't really know how   to fight against it.  

Yeah, I know that people likeKalman, Joe, some of the other   ex people I know, particularlythe ranchers. They really   strongly dislike theenvironmental groups being   involved with a lot of thecheckoff groups, you know,   citing that they have such bigpockets, and they're also just   so well connected that they theymake things change when the when   maybe the people in the checkoffgroup or the larger industry   organization are open to thatchange when the ranchers aren't.   So it's interesting. I thinkthat was a big movement that was   going on for quite a few years.We'll see if it continues. All   right, the final headline I wantto go through, this probably   impacted farmers on a greaterlevel than most people could   have imagined, because a ton ofAG is on Tiktok that was shut   down for a few hours this weekbefore the Trump inauguration.  

This led many, many people whohad strong audiences. It's the   way they find out about theirnews. In agriculture getting   completely shut off from it.Gavin, you went through the I   don't want to call this the darktime. How did it go? How big of   a deal was it? Well,   I didn't have any terriblewithdrawals, but they didn't   give us much time to miss it. Itwas down probably 12 to 18   hours. So I don't know what theydid while it was down, but they   definitely messed with thealgorithm. But yeah, there's   people I'm only friends withthrough Tiktok. I'm not friends   with them on other platforms. Sohad it had the ban, or whatever   lasted longer, I would havenoticed pretty quickly that a   couple core people I talked to,I guess what I had to start   calling them on the   phone. Well, 12 hours is enoughto start changing your habits.  

Did you start spending a littlemore time on x? Or what did you   find yourself doing?   Yeah, I was still scrolling. I.Definitely check X and Instagram   and Facebook, just because I hadnowhere else to click. So I was   going to click on one of those,because I do spend quite a bit   of time on tick tock. So yeah, Iguess I noticed it a little bit,   but if not near like I wouldhave had it been a week or more.   What does   your tribe think? Is thissomething that's going to keep   happening? Is, is, is tick tock,like building barns on rented   land, and it's going to go away.Or do you think it's here to   stay? It's   always changing and evolving. Iwill say, if they find a reason   to get rid of it, and it's goneforever, everyone's going to   pick up and go somewhere else.If you know they're going to   post somewhere, we're going tofind a group somewhere. It's   just gonna move. And I don'tknow what app it would move to.  

I know there was already ticktock copycats. Everybody was the   lemonade or red, whatever theywere called. I didn't make one   on one of those pages, but Iknow lots of people were already   fleeing and heading thatdirection. So   yeah, and there was also thepeople going over to the Chinese   version of Tiktok. Did you findyourself going over there?   No, I didn't. But I mean, theywere going in drove, so I don't   if their goal was to stop theChinese influence on us. They   didn't really accomplishanything. They probably made it   worse by people going to thoseapps.  

So for somebody like me, thatI've, you know, dabbled in in   Tiktok. But what's the allure?Why is that doing so well, do   you think among people in yourtribe?   It's quick. I mean, it catchesyou. You swipe your finger, and   there's, there's video playingright in your face, and it's   tailored directly to what you'reinterested in. It's always   changing. So it's like,honestly, it's probably akin to,   like a drug addict. They giveyou exactly what they want in   huge doses, like, you don't everreally get sick of it, because   as soon as you log out, youthink about logging, you know,   getting right back on. It's waymore fast paced than a scroll on   Facebook or x is.  

And then you put content onthere. What do you do to keep,   you know, people's attention?What are you talking about that   your audience cares about?   I cater to a very small niche,and my goal is to, like, talk to   young farmers and showcase howI'm growing an operation. So I'm   not trying to talk to a largeaudience, but a very, very   specific one. So I'm just makecontent for them, and if other   people join in and find itinteresting, and so be it. But   most of the time, I'm trying tojust talk to one small group,   and sometimes it goes viral andhits different veins of people,   but most of the time it stayswithin AG,   yeah, there's something reallymagnificent when a video goes   viral on Tiktok and you can,like, feel it. It's just, it's   unbelievable. And I think,however their algorithm works,   it makes you feel more acutelythan some of the other social   media channels, which is why Ithink it's so popular. Oh,   and you watch it take off inreal time. I mean, a lot of   videos will get five to 20,000views, but like, one of the last   ones I posted before the band,like, hit almost a million. And   you just watch it rock it offand like, your phone starts   blowing up. You're getting thelikes, the comments, the shares,   it just goes nuts, and then justas quickly as it rocket it up,   engagement falls and they're onto something else. So it's a   it's like a very fast burningrocket.  

All right, well, that's going todo it for our headlines tonight.   If you have any headlines youthink you we should be covering,   you can always send it [email protected] or   you can find me on x at Vance.Crowe, the Point Reyes story was   actually sent to me and theThomas Massey story. So it makes   a big difference on what wecover here on the show up next   is the Bitcoin land pricereport. So Gavin, let's, let's   jump in right here. Where do youlive and how much does a an acre   of good farmland cost in yourcounty?   I'm in northeast Missouri,Audrey County, I would say eight   to 10,000 for the good groundwith a 9000 average right now,   all right, so we'll use 9000 solast week, Bitcoin was right at   $100,000 per coin. This week,we're sitting at 103,000 you   know, it's a 3% gain, but thatcould be lost in the blink of an   eye. So it's right around thesame price it was. And so if we   were factoring $9,000 per acre,that means you could buy one   acre where Gavin lives for point087, Bitcoin, or in other words,   one bitcoin would buy you almost11 and a half acres of farmland   there. How does that sit withyou? Gavin, Did you buy any land   with Bitcoin? I've never bought   land with Bitcoin. I wish Iwould have bought a lot more   Bitcoin back in the day. Thatwould make that land sound   cheap.  

Is it something you've stayedwith? Have you have you kept it   in wallets or taken it offexchanges? I've got   a little bit. I mostly dabbledin it. Background, COVID. I've   pretty well got out of thecrypto. It just goes up and   down, way too much for me. Iwould waste too much time   watching it. I need to just buyit and hold it, forget I own it.   I think so. You know, I thinkone of the things I wanted to   throw this up here, because it'sapropos right now, because with   the talk about tariffs going onwith Canada and the premiere of   Al. Berta was one of thosepeople that came down, flew down   and said, I'm gonna meet withTrump, if my leaders, if there   is no leader, I'm gonna go aheadand take that front and center.  

So I've talked about thisseveral times with regard to   Bitcoin, is that there is allthis oil wells that are either   stranded that, you know, they'rejust too far away from a   pipeline, or they have a bunchof natural gas that they have to   get off of them. This righthere. This picture right here is   a is what's called a hash cut,and it's produced by a guy named   Steve barber up in Canada. Andwhat this is is you just park   this thing right next to one ofthose oil wells where you have   to where it's flaring offnatural gas. And instead, you   hook that up, you put it in, youturn it into a generator that   burns on natural gas, and thenyou hook Bitcoin miners to it.  

And I think this is going togrow. We're going to put data   centers on there for AI. We'regoing to be doing more Bitcoin   mining. And I think WesternCanada is going to be able to   pick up Bitcoin and use that asa way to export energy when they   don't have pipelines. Have youheard this idea, Gavin, is this   something that you're aware of?I'm   new to that idea. Specifically,I'm a little bit familiar with   how they mine it. The more thatgets mined, the longer it takes   to mine more. Is that correct?It takes longer to mine a   Bitcoin now than it used to   this the time is the same. It'sjust there's way, way more   competition. So you have to addmore and more and more computers   if you want to be somebody thathas a chance at winning those   but the time is always going tobe around 10 minutes. That's the   goal. Gotcha. Gotcha. All right.Well, the Bitcoin land price   report was brought to you todayby river. This is the exchange   that I use to buy bitcoin, and Idon't have a formal relationship   with them, but if you use thelink in the show notes, I will   get a referral credit, and wewill both earn Bitcoin based on   you buying it. I use riverbecause they don't have fees on   reoccurring buys, and itactually is a really, really   easy user interface. So if youwant to support the podcast and   get bitcoin figure out what'sgoing on here, use the link to   river.com moving on. Now we havethe Peter Thiel paradox. This is   where I asked Gavin, what is onething that you believe that   almost no one in your tribeagrees with you on?  

Okay, so this is coming fromlike a first gen farmer's   perspective, but I think thedeath of family farms is   splitting that farm up equallyamong siblings. Just to be fair   to all the siblings, everyonegets an equal cut. I think that   is the death of the family farm.And if they would choose one or   two children that want tocontinue the farm, smaller farms   would have a much better chanceof surviving if that farm   doesn't have to get re boughtevery generation.   And when you think about that,what do you think the other kids   that didn't didn't stay on thefarm? What should they get for   their inheritance?  

I think that's up to the parentsto make smart investments, if   they can, and maybe leave them alife insurance policy or, you   know, whatever stocks they mayhave, but splitting that farm up   to call it equal at the end ofsomeone's life, just that farm   ends up going to the auctionblock.   Do you think a lot of peopledisagree with on you on this   idea?   It depends. Probably the peoplethat disagree are the off farm   siblings. I think anyone thatthat has had to buy off the   family farm probably agrees withit. But there's lots of people   that don't you know the fair isequal, and equals not always   fair. That saying however thatgoes, I think rings true here.  

So yeah,   I'm I think that there are quitea few people that agree with you   on this idea, but I think thatyou're right. The ones that   don't believe it, or the onesthat are sitting in the middle   of it, they, they, they mightdisagree with you. So I'm going   to give you a three one on thisone, okay, and, and, but I think   it's interesting to think aboutinheritance, and what's going on   there, actually, as a relationto Bitcoin. I think if a parent   was also stacking Bitcoin at thesame time as they're stacking   land, that would be another wayto hold property. But, man, if   you tell that to people inagriculture, they flip their   stack. Yeah. All right. So nowon to the final section. This is   the worthy adversary, Gavin, whois one person that you respect   but you strongly disagree with.  

On x, the Mizzou guy, the MizzouTiger. I love his agronomic   practices. I think he is a greatfarmer, but we just have totally   different world views when itcomes to the influencer side of   things, and just, well, lots oflife in general. But I do   respect him as a farmer. I thinkhe's a good farmer, but that's   about where it ends.   Well, Mizzou, tiger, I thinkmight be the only person that's   been listed twice on this list.So that is that saying   something? And I think that'sthat's very interesting. And you   when you think about theagronomic practices, which are   ones that you're that you findinteresting about his   perspectives,   just the way he farms innortheast Missouri does. And   overdo it. There's not lots ofextra passes. He's very   economical about the way he goesafter it, because Missouri is   not always guaranteed a crop. Itreally rain in August makes the   difference just the way hefarms. His mentality behind   equipment. I do think he's agood farmer, but everything else   kind of detracts a little fromthere. So   alright, well, for a full listof people cited on the worthy   adversaries, check out the liston my ex. And it's kind of a   pretty great collection ofinteresting characters. And you   never know who from that listyou end up hearing something you   needed to hear. So Gavin, as wewrap up, talk a little bit about   your outreach to farmers who whoshould follow you, who'd be   interested in your stuff, andwhere can they find you?  

Sure, yeah, so I'm on all theplatforms. Uh, x is Gavin Spore,   same as Instagram and Facebook,just my name, uh, on tick tock.   I'm the popcorn farmer, and I'mposting almost daily about my   journey as a young farmer,things I'm doing to grow the   operation, things that areworking, things that aren't   working, and do actually today,just did some outreach with the   local FFA chapter, went to acareer fair, told them about   farming and agriculture andentrepreneurship and being an   influencer, you know, whetherthat's a good word or a bad   word. So I try to do lots ofthat. But yeah, come, come tag   along, and I ask lots ofquestions on X, I mainly go   there for others point of view.But then the other platforms I'm   I'm kind of showing more of whatI do on my own form. Yeah,   man, that term influencer blewup with that farm con.  

Influencer list Did, did any ofthe blowback hit you or people   taking shots at whether or notyou should have been on that   list? I   mean, I think that I qualifiedto be on the list, whether   people liked the list or not,but as a whole, that was such a   smart move for them to do that,because it got so much reach.   But at that whole conferenceVance, that probably was less   than 10 minutes of the wholeshow. I mean, if you took a long   bathroom break, you did not evenknow it happened, and wouldn't   have known to happen. And thatwas all that got talked about,   was during that little 10 minutepiece. But that's what got   talked about the most in thewhole conference, was that   little segment.  

Yeah, I as soon as I saw theinvitation, I was like, these   guys are very clever. And Idon't know if you've been in the   ag, social media world longenough to know that this is at   least the third time that I'veseen a list get published, and   all kinds of people fly out ofnowhere and get really upset   about it, and, you know, makefun of other people. But what's   really funny to me is that allof social media is an attempt to   influence other people with yourthoughts if you're posting   there, and so all that hate thatgot thrown on influencers for   being on that list. I don't knowit was a lot like, well, if you   were better at it, maybe, maybeyou would have been on the list.  

So they're just not that good atinfluencing all right? Well,   that's going to do it for the Agtribes report. Don't forget, if   you have been thinking aboutdoing a legacy interview for   your loved ones, where we sitdown, and I personally record a   conversation with them,describing their life, their   childhood, where your ancestorscame from, the wisdom that   they've learned along the way.Go to legacyinterviews.com to   find out more, and if you'vebeen thinking about Bitcoin, I   always tell people that the onlyway that you're gonna learn how   it works is to buy just a littlebit of it, get yourself a wallet   and move the money from theexchange to a wallet. And when   you get done with that, you'regoing to be like, oh, there's a   lot more here that I didn'tknow, that I could know about,   and it's a lot more interesting.So if you're interested in   buying Bitcoin, the exchangethat I recommend is river.com,   and if you use the affiliate, itwill help both the show out and   you out. All right, that's goingto do it for this show next   week, and feel free to disagree.You