The Shelley Tasker Show

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Broadcasts live every Wednesday at 7:00p.m. uk time on Radio Soapbox: http://radiosoapbox.com

In this lively episode, I’m joined by my co‑host Mr Scott and later our guest, musician “Rhinelander,” for a wide‑ranging chat that blends winter weather banter, community moments, and a deep dive into AI’s accelerating role in music. We explore an AI-generated 1950s Motown cover of Eminem’s “Without Me,” discuss UK/Russia headlines, and reflect on the human touch versus automation—from phones and social media through to art, photography, and recording. Rhinelander shares how his band experiments with AI to enhance rehearsal-room recordings, the ethics of credit and labelling, and why imperfections and live feel still matter. We compare production quality, creativity, and cost, muse on carbon footprints of data centres, and touch on the broader cultural implications of AI, from media to gaming—and even conscription talk abroad. We also celebrate small wins: launching our new one‑page links hub and Discord chat, and finding joy in local community connections and live music. Across the hour, we spin standout tracks and covers, including acoustic interpretations and AI‑aided pieces, using them to test whether listeners can hear the difference between ‘handmade’ and machine-shaped sound. The conversation lands on a simple conclusion: AI can smooth the rough edges, but soul, story, and shared experience still come from humans—preferably with a good guitar, a warm pub, and a nodding head keeping time. 

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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. You beautiful people out there. You are listening to the Shelley Tasker Show coming live from radiosoapbox.com   and also being aired on clear air FM sound of freedom.  

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Yes.   Who's back?   Back again.   Shady's back?   Tell a friend.   Guess   who's back. Guess who's back. Guess who's back. Guess who's back. Guess who's   back. Guess who's back. Guess who's back. Guess who's back. Guess who's back.  

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Here we are, Ross. Nobody wants. The November 19.   Happy hump day, everybody.  

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I'm here with my amazing co host, mister Militrakis Scott. A little bit of me Oh, thank you very much. It's lovely to be back, actually, especially as far as the World Health Organization   is concerned   on  

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World Toilet Day. Oh, nobody. Operating. Hey. You waited this long to stop debating because I'm back. I'm on a I know that you got a job, miss Cheney, but your husband's heart problem's complicating, so the FCC won't let me be. Oh, let me be me, so let me see. They tried to shut me down on MTV,   but it feels  

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so empty. I hear Trump is to sign a bill releasing more of Epstein's papers.   Oh, really?   If he was such a bad guy,   why haven't they just released all of them?  

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All my lawsuits. F you, Debbie.   Now this look like a job for me, so everybody   just follow me because we need a little  

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It's been a cold week. We are now getting into winter.   Snow in November.   I thought it only happens at Christmas time.  

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Could I have a white Christmas yet? Fingers crossed. Without me.  

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The little Hellion's kids feeling rebellious, embarrassed, their parents still listen to Elvis, they stop feeling like prisoners helpless. Till someone comes along on a mission and yells, bitch, a visionary vision is scary. Could start a revolution And  

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the UK government are looking into military options, apparently,   if a if a, Russian spy ship gets any closer.   Who needs a ship to spy on people nowadays? Really? Are people buying this nonsense?   I also have to say that there's nothing   artificial about this show apart from tonight, maybe some of its content.  

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My 2¢ is free. A new cents. Who sent you sent for me? Now this feels like a job for me. So everybody   just follow me because we need a little   controversy   because it feels so empty without me. This look like a job for me. So everybody   just follow me because we need a little   controversy   because it feels so   empty without   me.   A tskit, a tskit, I go tit for tat with anybody who's talking this and that.   Chris Kirkpatrick,   you can get your ass kicked worse than the little imp biscuit bastards.   Moby, you could get stumped by Obi. You're 36 year old bald headed. Me, you don't know me. You're too old. Let go. It's over. Nobody listens to techno.   Now let's go. Just give me the signal. I'll be there with a whole list full of new insults. I've been dope. Just stands for with a pencil. Ever since Prince turned himself into a symbol, but sometimes, man, it just seems everybody only wants to discuss me. So this must mean I'm disgusting, but it's just me. I'm just   Yeah. Though I'm not the first king of controversy,   I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley to do black music so selfishly and use it to get   myself wealthy. Hey. There's a concept that works 20,000,000 other white rappers emerge, but no matter how many fish in the sea, it'll be so empty without  

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There you go. Oh, I like that. I'm vibing. I'm rocking in my seat.  

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Are are you enjoying that? Or should I leave it going for a bit longer?  

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I do love a bit of these. Love  

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them.  

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Kids. Tune, mister Scott. Pull that one out. Do you like that? Yeah. I love that.  

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Do you know who it's by? I haven't got a clue.   Really? Mhmm. You've never heard those lyrics before ever in your life? No. I don't think so. Think think think carefully. If you've listened to any, like,   well, maybe maybe you wouldn't have done. But   it's been all over sort of, like, you know, YouTube and stuff like that for for a while, this one, or for about a month.   That was actually an Eminem tune.  

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Oh. Oh, I love a bit of Eminem.   Oh, I like that. Yeah.   So hang so you like a bit of Eminem, but you've never heard that tune? I don't think so. But maybe I must have done, or perhaps it's just because it was played in that version.  

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Yeah. So that was a version of,   Feel So Empty Without Me or whatever the tune's called   by Eminem.   Somebody put it through in fact, I can tell you exactly who did it. Here we go.   Oh, hang on. It's playing again. It is for me at least. Sorry. It will be on the recording.   Here we go. So if you go over to YouTube and type in Red Village,   Eminem without me, nineteen fifties Motown   Soul AI cover.  

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An AI cover?   An AI cover. So that's was that all done in AI?  

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Well, you know, you would think that the voice wasn't, but if you listen carefully,   you can tell that it is.   So,   yes. It was all done in AI.  

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Crikey.  

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So,   yeah. That's just it's quite   quite impressive.  

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It is. You must admit. It's quite impressive. You must You were vibing away. You're the one that hates anything to do with AI, not me.  

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Well, I don't look, you know, I I don't necessarily hate the technology.   You know, as I've always said, it's like with mobile phones.   I don't hate the technology.   I just I I'm discouraged as to how it's being used.   Fair enough. Fair enough. And and that's that's why, you know, the the particularly and I I won't go over it again, folks, but mobile phones Mobile phone alert. Mobile phone alert. Mike, camera. Yeah. Yeah. You're sitting in your own cage, folks. You know? Just just ditch him. Don't need him. Just don't listen to him and do what you wanna do, people.   Yeah. Alright. Do what you wanna do. But that that's yeah. That's my outlook.  

I'm I'm not sure I've ever voiced that before on this show. No. I don't need  

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enough.  

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Sorry. Sorry if I'm boring your face. Big yawn.   A big yawn. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. So   Trump Trump to sign that bill. Oh, we're gonna release more documents on Epstein. You know?  

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Yeah. But it makes me wonder then. I was listening to something about this the other night.   Is he is he involved with it? I don't think he was.   But then I've not think what you like, they're all puppets. It doesn't matter. This is I know, but I don't think he was This is just fine. Theater for the masses. Yeah. I'm not being funny.  

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Why doesn't he just release all of them?   All of them. Why why, you know, absolutely every single document on him? Why why has it not been released? Why is it not public knowledge?   True. Come on. You know the answer. You know the answer, because this is all theater.   And this is to, you know   yeah.   As I've always said, yeah. Maybe they caught him, maybe he died, maybe he didn't,   whatever.   But they've never released anything. You know, this is all just like drip fair dribs and dribs of nonsense about, you know, the you know, they've they've never told anyone who the children were being trafficked to. So,   you know.  

It's just dribs and grubs. It's nonsense. I do think Epstein's still alive.  

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And interestingly,   I finally finished a long book.   Oh, god. Mental brain. Anyway, it doesn't matter about the title. But he's a detective in it and he goes into a lot of detail. I mean, it's not fiction.   And I always get those two   muddled up. It's not real life.   So it's like it's non fiction. I don't know. Menopausal brain. Anyway, the point is he talks a lot in this book about this castle   where everybody that is supposed to have died that's big in the world and stuff,   where they all go to reside for the rest of their lives.   Quite interesting, actually. Yeah.  



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Anymore. Yeah. It's it's it's a reasonable concept.  

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He isn't dead like he would have been left alone to do that. Come on. Come on.  

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Well,   look, for all intents and purposes, he is because he's been taken out of the picture. Oh, he's in that And been used as a great scapegoat   for and also as a brilliant smokescreen for the masses to go, oh, they're releasing this. Oh, now they're releasing what? Why isn't all of it just been released? This is just absolute nonsense. It really is. It just yeah. And people sort of hang on this stuff and go, oh, this and then wasn't it last week there were supposedly papers released   about Trump himself,   Epstein. So,   yeah, this is all just theater   for people to get caught up in and forget what they're actually supposed to be doing with their lives.  

Yeah. So anyway Anyway. That's   ran over. Ran over. You can have your run. Yeah. I just I just I just get fed up with these stupid newspaper articles. You know what I mean? I really do.   And as far as World Toilet Day, for goodness sake, I mean, what's all that about?   And I'm not even gonna read it out, but World Health Organization today, if you if you just go to www.who.int   on their news feed.   Message from the World Health Organization   on World Toilet Day. I mean, who comes up with this nonsense?  

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Sorry. I was gonna stop that. I mean, it's like names. They have a day for everything now, don't they? It's Claire Day. It's a toilet day for It's never Shelley Day. Really?   Or maleficant.  

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No. No. No. It's never mister Scott day ever.   Well, actually, it is. Once a year, it's mister Scott day. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. Yeah. It's it's a it's a good day. When is your birthday, by the way?   I'm not telling you. Come on. It's it's   right. It's it's in April.  

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Okay.   Alright. That'll do. Mental note. I will forget, but   I've tried. I've set an alarm for something in April, and it'll be like, what did I set that alarm for?  

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I was born I was born 12/1976.  

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Oh, the day before my dad then.   So I should be able to remember that.   So,   we do have a guest joining us in a little bit.  

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We do. We do. And that's why I play the AI the AI tune, actually, because, a friend of mine,   is in a band, and he's been on the show before. It's it's Rhinelander. He's been on the show before. We were we were talking about,   you know,   actually potentially using computer games to train people for various things, whether it be military military action or whether it just be dropping in ideas and things like that into the public psyche.   So it would that was actually a really good show. That was while you were on your, hiatus.   Oh, okay. So he has been on your show before, but you've never actually met him. Oh, wow. That's great.  

Now I look forward to having a proper chat in a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So his his his, bandmate, one of his bandmates has been dabbling with,   AI and stuff. And, it's yeah. Some of the results have have I gotta say pretty impressive.   So,   in fact, there's one tune we were actually gonna play this evening that,   is probably going out for release. So we're we're not allowed to play it until it's all been finally remastered and everything. But I will play it on the show when it comes out. I've got gotta gotta give those guys a bit of promotion, like, you know. So Absolutely.   How much the AI is used? I I yeah. I don't know. We'll we'll we'll we'll ask about that. We can guess in theory. That's coming up, folks. Yeah. That that's coming up. Brilliant stuff.  



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So So, so what have you been up to this week, mister Scott?  

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I've been freezing my tits off, honestly. Literally.   Oh, quite literally. Honestly. And today,   just finished lunch.   As you know, it's that time of year, so, like,   leaves dropping everywhere. So,   the place where I was today, they they've got this huge leaf blower which takes both hands to operate, like, it's a big, you know, big petrol driven thing.   And   god, I spent the whole day basically wielding that. And just after lunch, sat down, had a nice warm lunch, and then,   went back out, picked up the leaf blower,   and put me little air defenders on and all that kind of thing. And then the hail that came out of the sky, you would not believe. Oh, I would. I wasn't it.  

For about ten minutes. I mean, the thing is, like, so I I'm there and I'm nice and warm, but it's bouncing off everywhere, like, you know, and by the time after by the time it finished, it looked quite Christmassy. It was actually really nice. It looked quite Christmassy, and I was nice and warm and everything. And the good thing about working out in the hail, obviously, is that you don't actually get wet because it just bounces off you.  

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Yeah. Well, we are predicted snow for tonight.   And I told Piran, and he said, yay. And it's not even Christmas.   I love the way kids associate snow with Christmas.   But I was Even though we rarely get snow in in Cornwall, like yeah. I was out in that hailstorm storm with my granddaughter. We would just had to walk down to the car,   but she had her hood up. I had my hood up. I was carrying her, and I was like, isn't this cozy? We're, like, running down the road with all these hailstones.   It's quite nice, actually. It's nice when you're inside.  

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It's nicer when you're inside. Yeah. For sure. I will I will vouch for that having been out in in freezing cold. You didn't make Shav go out on work from that today, did you?   No. She made herself.  

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Oh. If I'd if I'd If you were my are you the boss?  

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No. I've if I told her to take a day off, she'd tell me to get stuff.  

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So Oh, I'd be like, can I have a day off today, please?   All winter, actually.   I'll just stay at home and cook and clean.  

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Yeah. No. I I do the cooking, as I've already said.   So  

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Yeah. Yeah. So I'm still awaiting a dinner invite.  

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Oh, you'll get one at some point. Maybe over Christmas. Maybe.   Maybe. Maybe over the Christmas period. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's,   well, we might be hooking up over Christmas anyway, mightn't we? Yeah. Boxing Day for definite.  

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Yeah. Yeah. That would be good. That would be good. Yeah.  

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So I've I've At one of the actually, at one of the pubs that I used to get here when I was a kid.  

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Oh, really? It's quite small in there, isn't it? Because I was thinking, do you need to go in there early and, like, book a table? You need to stay there for four hours.  

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It depends whether they open up the upstairs because there's a massive, like,   there's a massive,  

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functions room upstairs. Oh, that's probably where it'll be then. Yeah. That's probably where it'll be then. I should imagine.  

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Yeah. Oh, who knows? Look forward to it. We never played the function room. We always played the pub because we were a pub band. Mhmm. Yeah. All that kind of thing. Yeah.   Yeah. Yeah.  

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So   And I've I've got to say while I remember,   we do have a chat page up and sorted now. So anybody   listening? Yes, you've been hard at work. Come on. Tell everyone. You have been away. Yeah. Well, I've just created a simple little one page   link tree website that takes you   to anywhere for Apple Podcasts, Rumble, Youtube,   all previous shows, well, most of them.   And there's a chat icon. So basically,   if you   type in the shellytaskershow.co.uk   then basically,   it will have a link and it looks like a little computer   gaming thing, it's blue.  

And I think there's   a text link as well that says Discord. And if you just It's a Discord symbol. It's a Discord symbol, yeah. It will take you straight into the chat room and you know, if somebody is listening out there and you want to do it, please be the first to leave a message so I can see if it   works.   So,   but that's quite good.   Yeah, annoying because   originally, I had the shellytaskershow.com   and I cancelled it ages ago because I thought, well, I'm not happy. You know, when I had a break from radio I didn't actually realize   how hard it would be to get back, to buy that domain back. It's like stupid money now. So I had to go to, like, co.uk.  



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But hey, hey. Well, yeah. Because it's been used before,   it bumps the price up. Yeah. Yeah.   And I think I I've not looked into how much pureoriginal.com   costs at the moment,   but it was quite pricey for me to buy it back when I wanted it back, so I never bothered.   But obviously, that's where all the, all the   music archive that I occasionally dip into and play on the show comes from. Right. So,   yeah.   Yeah. Back in those days back in those days when I used to run a, a music website,   and doing radio was   furthest from my mind as it possibly could be.   It's funny how things do you ever yourself. Did you ever picture yourself going on the radio, Shelley, ever   before you actually went on?  



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Yes. I did actually. Only because of my dad. Because my dad was doing weekly shows.   I wanted to do it.   And when Piran was probably about one, I went to one of these life coaching days. And it was like, you gotta write down on a piece of paper something that you would like to achieve and it's gonna be posted to you in six months time and you're gonna see, like, if you achieved it and stuff.   And I was going for it, but at the time my dad was very like: actually, do you know what? The time isn't right. Piran's too young, blah blah blah blah. If you get knockbacks like he's had and get into trouble and stuff.   So they put me off, him and my mum, for quite a while.  

And then literally, when the whole Covid thing came up, it was like, right, I'm gonna do this. And even then my mum said like, do you think you should be doing this with Piran and everything? And it's like, well, that's exactly why I am doing it. I mean, it's not like it was in COVID times,   but it's, yeah, five years now and, yeah, it's my little creative outlet. Well, I wouldn't even say it's creative, but that keeps me busy,   keeps me sociable, keeps my brain going, and,   it's our little chance to get together and just have a chat about sometimes nonsense really, isn't it? Well, well, world toilet day for me. World toilet day. I mean, that's that's vitally important, obviously,   at least several times in the show. I mean, what a ridiculous thing. But, anyway, there we go. Yeah. Well, the the one good thing that has happened this week was I was out walking my dog. And you know how we always stop and have conversations with these people when my little elderly neighbour I love it. She's   87   and she was out cleaning her car   and she said oh Shelly I've got to ask you a question and I said yeah go for it. She said where's your Union Jack flag gone?  

And I said oh, well Kieran took it down because it was in his room, because it was the best view from his window.   She said I was so proud to see that up there. She said I want a flag for my window.   Anyway, we've got a long talk about what's going on in the world and she said it makes me feel sick. She said if I was younger,   she said I'd be out there doing stuff.   She's, you know, like listening to all of these people and stuff. And I was giving her ideas of other people to follow and things like that. And she was telling me the problem, like, she watches it on YouTube, but she's not too sure how to, like, type things in. So I went around about half past four and we had like a little lesson on using YouTube.   Basically finding the search bar and just typing anything in and pressing okay. But she was thrilled.  

And it's just so lovely when you have these conversations with people, isn't it? Just across the road and 87 years old.  

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Yeah. No. It's, it's vitally important that you do because they're gonna pass on little nuggets of knowledge to you that you would they're gonna enrich your life if you, you know, take the time to put up with their funny ways but listen to their stories. It's, you know,   yeah. Yeah. Well done, you. That's that's what local community is all about. Just little little helping things like that, you know.   It's like the the lady next door had a had a problem with her boiler. I knew exactly what the problem was, and I knew how to sort it, because it was only a case of topping up the the the the the tank,   basically, with water. The you know, I can't bother to explain. But basically, it meant going in, turning on two taps, and turning them back off again and putting the cover back on.  

So and it's just little things like that,   you know. And she she was, oh, thanks so much. I was like, it's it's no problem. I live right next door. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Yes. So I like where I live. I like all the neighbors, and her daughter actually lives opposite me. Like, they they've got a house right next to their daughter and, her daughter's quite awake as well but her daughter, she says, I always say to my daughter this and that and she says, I don't wanna know mum. I just wanna enjoy my life. And she says, I tell her, but you need to know. You need to be doing the stuff. This is for our grandchildren   and stuff like   that. But yeah, really interesting.  

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Yeah. It's all about what you pass down to the next generation. Absolutely. As you well know, like, when you have kids, your own life simply becomes forfeit.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.   Well, she was telling me how Everything you do   revolves around that, you know? Yes. She she's a nurse and she's well, she was a nurse and she's got four children, but one of them died fourteen years ago, age 46.   She was saying that he had a few pains in his chest and when he went to the doctors, they basically just put him on a treadmill.   She said they didn't do no anagrams, no no checks or nothing. She said he went to Egypt the next week and she said I begged him not to go because he'd been sailing, he's had these problems.   Anyway, long story short, the post mortem showed that he died   with plaque that had blocked his arteries.  

Now, she said: Failed   by the NHS again because if they'd done that simple test, he could have had a little stent put in and everything would have been fine. She said no one wants to outlive their children and I was just like crikey. People have got some stories to tell and they   Yeah. Never a truer word spoken. No one wants to outlive their children. No. Yeah. No. That's nice. Yeah. And I don't, do you know, I don't even know her name. I know her daughter's name that we call missus p because she was a teacher at the school, so people are like that in my phone, like missus p's mum.   Don't know your name, but   I know who you are.  



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See, look, there's another problem with mobile phones. It's so impersonal.  

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Oh, for crying out loud, Maleficulous. Oh, any excuse Oh, my phone a lot. Name my phone a lot.   Any excuse for me. But do you know, I thought of something last night. I was having, you quite inspired me a few weeks ago because we were talking about writing music.   And Oh, good. I like inspiring people. Go on. You did that. So I started Well, it's always a privilege when you do, isn't it? You know what I mean? It is because I've got my piano when I used to write music years ago in songs. And I just wait for you know, when you get these random thoughts and you think, Oh, that sounds good. That sounds good. But I was a bit low. This was when I had my bug. And it was all actually really depressing shit. But people say, Right, how are you feeling? Anyway, I kind of ditched that because well, but the notes are all there because I don't feel depressed anymore,   and I've just can't be bothered to go back to it. But the last few days, I've been, like, buzzing   and, like, oh, feeling all creative again and stuff like that.  

And I was sat down in bed last night,   and I actually wrote some more lyrics and stuff down   probably regarding me and Darren actually.   And I know we say things like mobile phones are obviously a pain in the neck but   you wouldn't catch me and Darren message each other several times a day when he's at work.   And   you wouldn't be writing love letters like that.   And it is nice. I think, you know, we've got, I don't know, seven years worth of conversations. I did have them all downloaded and printed in a book once.   But so a love letter and a text message.  

It was just one of these, I can't remember the exact lyric that I wrote but I just thought that's one positive thing. People can write love letters. They're not proper love letters,   but send send your thoughts out straight away.  

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Do you get wrong comment? I know what you mean. No. Look. I I told you that. Yeah. That's gotta be good for love. And as I always say, it's not it's it's not the technology itself. It's it's what it's being used for.   That's my biggest and I you know, if it was left to us,   you know, if it was left to us,   and we the public decided in what direction that the technology was gonna be used.   But the thing is, it's so it's so underhand and snidey and manipulative. But I don't say I don't say that there aren't good things that come out of mobile phones. There are. I mean, when you don't   pick up in the studio when we're trying to do a sound check, I can send you a message on my missus's phone, and it you know? And then you don't look at that either. But then, you know, there there are advantages.  

I I do get it. I'm not   I'm not   anti the technology.  

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I'm just anti how they're used. Yeah. And I mean I just think people should spend less time on them. No. You are right. You are right. But I just look at it as, like, magazine time and stuff, and anything I want to know, it's there. And I know you say you can do your research, but but you can just go on the computer and type a question in Google.   It's I think a lot of it. It's not much different than just sitting at your computer.  

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No. It's not. But you there's a time and a place for sitting at your computer. There is. Your computer's plugged into the wall at home.  

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True. And I mean, I've accidentally mine is. I've had my phone on sleep for three days, and I've missed so many phone calls. But I said to Darren, it's actually quite nice. No notifications.   And I've only recently learned how to turn all of those off because, like, when you guys would be chatting in teams, like, 01:00 in the morning, my phone's like, ping, ping,   ping. Striking nuts.   Yeah. So I've been in sleep mode for three days.  

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Anyway Well, look. We are I was gonna say, hold that thought. Yes. We we are approaching the bottom of the hour. Yeah.  

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Yes. So have you got a tune for us?  

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I have got a tune for you. So this is this is an excellent cover.   I'll give you the details of who it is after after I've played it. But if you've heard of the band Seether, they did a they did a, tune called Truth. And the guy that,   the guy that's done this, I I think I played you a little snippet of this the other night, Shelley, when we were chatting. So I'm gonna play that one. It's it's an absolutely brilliant cover, and I just love the fact that it's all done acoustic guitar wise. So,   coming up after the break, we're gonna have, my good friend Ryan Lander coming back on the show. I'm gonna call him Ryan Lander because your AI,   thing referred to him as Ryan last time he was on the show because I was calling him Ryan.  

So Oh, okay. Rhineland Rhinelander's coming on, after the break, and we're gonna have a little chat about music   and the use of AI in music,  

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and cover your various aspects of that. Great. Look forward to it. Okay. Well, we'll be happy to You're listening live folks to radiosoapbox.com.   And clear our FM, the sound of freedom where we're also airing.  

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Be back here. See you after the break. Enjoy this   wonderful cover version.   Brilliant voice.  

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If I gave you the truth, would it keep you alive?   Thought I'm clawed at a   Yeah.   No. There's nothing you say that can fill very delight,   Yeah.   I'm beating down again.   I belong   to   Yeah.   The deception   you show is your own parasite.   Just a word of advice you can hear if you like it. Now I'm   convinced on the inside.   Something's wrong with me. Gone biased on the inside.   So much more than me.   Yeah.   I'm bidding down again.   Bobby locked you down.   Bidding down   in  

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There you go.  

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Oh, I like that.  

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There you go. That was that was, Jordan Moreau. Go and look him up on YouTube.   He has done a load of different companies. He's got a great voice. Yeah. Yeah. Really   good. Yeah. So, yeah. I've just been stumbling across all these brilliant little artists that, you know, don't get heard of. So I thought I'd just air some of them on the show. Why not? Absolutely.  

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Yeah. I must start contributing more to that side of it.  

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You must. Well, you are already by the sounds of things. Well, we're all we're all doing our own. Turning into a very musical show.   So at this point, I'd I would like to invite on Rhinelander. Are you there Rhinelander?  

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I'm here. Happy toilet day, by the way.   Sorry. Couldn't resist.  

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Good evening, Ryan.  

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Ryan.   Yeah. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Cool. I'm glad you guys How are you two doing?  

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Yeah. Good. Thank you. And it's good to, actually have you on and have a chat. I didn't realize I I might have even listened to it ages ago, but my brain is frazzled all the time. So,   welcome.  

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Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for having me.  

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Great stuff.  

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So Yeah.   It's it's great to have you on, mate. It really is.   So   just so the folks know, I've I've known Rhinelander for,   oh, crikey, years and years. Over well over a decade, I would say. Something like that.   You've probably gotta find a note on it that I have. I can't remember when we actually hooked up. But,  

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it comes over That's good enough for me. Yeah.  

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Ages ages ago. And, we've kind of,   we met each other online just playing online games and stuff, but we've we hooked up and and he comes over to visit and stuff. And yeah. So we've   been friends for a long time. So,   you're you're in good company. Trust me.  

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I wouldn't have come otherwise. So no. No. It's fine. It's great. It's great to be back.  

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Yeah. Good. So where are we gonna start? Are you gonna give an introduction about what our guest is all about, Maleficas?  

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Well, so tonight, I mean, before when you came on Rhinelander, we were talking about,   like, the influence that computer games could have over people and whether they could be used for military training or simply public training. Yes. That kind of thing.   It was a really interesting show. I really enjoyed it. Is it so it's good to have you back on. But but   today, we're gonna be talking about   one of one of my personal loves, which is music.   You also like on the times that you've come over and visited, you've bought your various guitars because you've got quite a collection of guitars. So you've bought various ones over with you,   and we've, you know, spent a bit of time playing as well, which has been great.  

But you're actually in a band at home.   Yes.   So tell us a little bit about that. Just, you know, is it like is it a formal thing? Is it like a really regular thing? And, just just give us the lowdown. Do you know what I mean? Just to give you a little bit of an idea what what I do musically,  

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when I'm with my band. So we hooked up about, let it be,   seven, eight years ago when one of my very close, and good friends, Cuthman,   invited me,   to join their band because there were one man down because their main guitarist or lead guitarist,   has just left the band and they needed   somebody to fill in or at least   attempt   to because at the time, I was just getting back into guitar playing.   And, yeah, she they invited me in, and I stuck around ever since. And what we basically do is we meet every once,   in a week or every two weeks,   sit around, jam for a bit, have a little chat, and then go home. So it's not really something special. We're not investing too much time and effort into it. But, you know, it's always good to,   meet with like minded people   who share a common interest,   maybe go on a little musical journey and take your mind off things and create something on the side. You know, that is basically what we're doing. So to give you a little bit of an idea with you. So it's it's nothing we're not doing tours or certainly not doing gigs like you usually do every once in a while. It's it's just for us personally at this stage, but you never know.  

Oh, it sounds great. And that's what it's about, enjoying it though, isn't it? Exactly. It's it's basically like like these two or three dudes in a pub sitting in a corner just just playing their instruments and getting a few drinks in, having fun, maybe inspire or entertain some people   while doing so.   But we're we're just hanging around in a in a rehearsal room and then doing our thing   for us at the moment. But, hey,  

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might change in the future. Never know. Yeah. Who knows? Think you hit the nail on the head the other week, actually, Maleficus, because you said about making music. It's not about getting it out there. Is it really?  

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No. It's not about making music.   Yeah. Well, it basically, I think what I said, it was the it was the line from my old website, the the pure original thing because we all everyone that enlisted in that website gave their music away for free. That was the deal. If you join into the website, don't expect to make any money. You get you're here to express yourself because it's in pointless expressing yourself to yourself.   You automatically   when you express yourself particularly through any art, whether it's, you know, music, whatever, you express yourself   to show others.  

That's otherwise, what's the point? You may as well sit in the box and just make music. You know?   So that was the point, really.   But,   so in a minute,   I'm gonna, if it's alright with you, Rhinelander, I'm gonna play   the tune. So one of the things I wanna sort of because well,   I the reason I played an AI tune at the beginning of the show, I don't know whether you caught it, but it was a a an Eminem cover,   just been put through AI, basically.   And it was   you know, Shelley didn't even realize what tune it was. She was, you know, there grooving away.  

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Vibing.  

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And you've recently  

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your drummer's been messing about with AI, hasn't it? Yes. Yes. He sadly didn't find the time for today, so I would have dragged him here to explain a bit more of the witty details. But,   I think you can still get an idea or I haven't fairly good idea what he did. And so I can can explain a bit later.  

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Well, he can come on at some point because there is one tune that we were gonna play tonight that actually is not ready for production.   Or or should I say it's one that is going into production   with the intention of releasing it. So we were gonna play that one tonight, but in actual fact,   your friend had sort of said, oh, no wait because it's actually getting released properly in two weeks' time. So what we'll do is, as I say, we'll promote it on the show when it comes out because   I thought it sounded great.   I don't know to what extent   the AI was used and stuff, but you you you can fill us in on that in a in a   bit.  

Shall I shall I play the tune that Yes. Do it because then yeah.  

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Just go on. And then  

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so   That's it. So   which is which one which one am I is it the one with the numbers on, or is it the one that's what name? It depends. If you want the inspiration,  

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that is the numbers. But we could start off with the results, if you want, which is the name of it. The result.  

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Okay. So this is dystopian   science. Okay?   Enjoy, folks.  

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Them. We'll   have to fiddle   with them.  

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Well, that was pretty atmospheric, I have to say. Lovely.  

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Really good. Really good. Yeah. Thank you. I relay that to my to my band.  

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So can I ask who sang that?   Say again? Can I ask who sang that?  

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Yes. You can, actually. Not a real person   like in the one before, which is scary, is it? It is.  

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Yeah. Absolutely   scary.   Beautiful voice.  

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Yeah.   Well, like I said, it's it's really interesting. You you put together so many bits and pieces and then you run it through basically an AI and that's what's what comes out. It's it's astounding to me and,   I had to have to give it to my to my mate who played around with it and came up with the whole idea   just   basically to turn our,   rehearsal room recordings   into something completely different when you tack on,   like I said, a bit of of,   master,   mastering a bit of, text generation   because none of us are, native English speakers. So sometimes we have a hard time   doing proper lyrics. So, if they're a bit off here and there, that's totally intentional   and not, due to AI constraints.  



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So   Is that are you are you joking or are you being honest about that? Is it totally intentional or is it due to AI constraints? Pulling pulling your leg. But no.  

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I  

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knew you were. I knew you were.  

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The thing thing is,   none of us, at the at the moment are big writers. So therefore,   having a bit of text generation based on input ideas that we we picked,   they threw out this this text so,   which is great. You still have to look over it and and edit a bit here and there, and then you run it through voice generation.  

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I'm probably explaining a bit too much at the moment. No. No. No. You're explaining it perfectly because I've just got no idea. I mean, when I listened to that Eminem cover Yeah. At the beginning of the show,   I do think, you know, like like Shelley said, you could almost believe that's a real guy singing it. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Well, it's it's basically,   how I understood it. I'm not too much into AI at the moment, so, bear with me. So as   I understood it, there   you run   so many examples   through there,   and the AI expands its knowledge base step by step. And at some point, it tries to do stuff on its own. And it's basically just,   approximation of something else, but then shifted to different kind of, tonality or,   other notes, basically. So it can   listen to, for example, m and   and how's it? This guy called Eminem? That's the one. Or Eminem. Yeah. Or Taylor Swift or whatever is popular these days.   And, you make the AI listen to all of their songs, and there's always   certain kind of frequency,   a certain way of attack or how he sings or a certain a certain amount of vibrato   or stuff or how you approach   certain notes going from low to high and back down in a certain way.  

That it's a certain certain pattern like you speak. There's always a certain pattern to it. And that is probably learned by the AI   and then turned into singing. And then that's what basically is used to do something like this, in my opinion. So if you're next So could so could  

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Yeah. I'm just this is just just this is a very just a quick question that's just sprung up in my head. So I just sorry to cut you off there. But,   just important to what you've just said. So would it be possible for AI you know,   banks, whenever you do, like, phone up a bank or something like that, it asks you to use your voice   as a password.   What are the chances do you think potentially of AI   actually just learning   your entire voice   pattern   and being able to replicate it for someone   potentially to play it over a a speaker to get into your back My voice is my password and all that nonsense, you know?  

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After hearing songs like this with proper prep, certainly a 100% at some point.  

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It's gonna get people in a lot of trouble, I think, at some point because it will be Hell yes.   Yeah. It'll be like in my voice saying something really bad.   And then they'll be, like, we're arresting you on this, but it wasn't me.  

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Yeah. But then, the on the same token, Shelley, you look at the tune that we played at the beginning of the show.   And so who owns that?   Who owns that? That's that's the the lyrics certainly don't belong   to the the creators of the actual AI tune, but then you gotta think also,   do the creators of that AI version of Eminem's tune,   they don't own it, but   what about the input of the AI machine? Who who's got the rights over that? Do do you know what I mean? It it really muddies the waters as far as rights. It is a very interesting topic at the moment. And I think there's even legislation getting,  

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a hint   of the whole thing going on.   And   how do you teach AIs   all these things?   AI has to listen or read or understand   certain things.   And most of those things that are getting fed into it are, for example, if you take music, which is a great example because it's it's directly related to what we're talking about.   If if I want to teach AI how to sing properly, I have,   to give   it examples, music that is usually sung by people, by artists, and all sorts of things, which is usually copyrighted music.   And   how is that being handled? And that is currently,   I think   part of,   talks in the industry or experts   that try to determine   if they're actually allowed to use that. And if they use it, if they actually have to pay for it,   to be blunt about it. You know? Yeah.  



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I mean, the general consensus has always been when I've been in bands. You can do as many covers as you like,   or or, like, you can play as many covers as you like as long as you're not, like, putting them down on a record and expecting money for them because it's someone else's material.   Yeah. That's how it's always been.   But this AI nonsense is really I'm not gonna call it nonsense because it's not it's a it's a very, very,   clever use of technology.   My friend Sean down in Australia said, you know, like, it can take months and months off of coding. Like, if you if you're a coder and you you you write computer programs, it can take months off it because you simply ask it to create something   I don't know the ins and outs. But you can see this has completely muddied the waters when it comes to rights over music. And I'm all for that because I think music should always be given away for free.  

Always. You express yourself not to yourself but to others.  

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Yeah. Unless you're doing it as a business or an income.  

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Well, if you if you go and play live, then, yeah, by all means, you'd you'd you'd expect some I'm just it came from, like, the science, like, obviously, I'm a photographer.  

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And since AI   has come along,   I mean, people take my photographs,   they do things with them,   they do what they want, they bought that digital image.   But photography now, it's You know, the amount of sites where you can go and say, Oh, and people do do it for free. Can you add someone to this picture? Can you do a face swap? And I'm like, people have asked me to do that before. Can you do a face swap? Because his face looks better in that picture than it does in that picture.   But for me, the element is then, well, that portrait   to me isn't real.  



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It's not a portrait. It's not a portrait. You've just you've just hit on a very, very important subject, actually, because,   Rhinelander,   I,   played the the song that we're not allowed to play, that we'll play in a couple of weeks, hopefully,   to my missus.   Yeah. And she was like, oh my god. But, you know,   and I I asked my daughter, my eldest daughter. I'm not gonna say her name, but my eldest daughter, you know her.   I said, have a listen to this. And I'd already explained that it was AI. She said, I'm she said, I'm not listening to it. I said, why?   She said, nothing against Bastion,   but   it's   just it's AI.  

And and she said the amount of artists having their work stolen, put through AI, and it being sold on Etsy   with,   you know, all all because, obviously, she's an artist herself.   Yeah. So  

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I I I see what she's I see where she's coming from. Just to to   dig into a few points earlier,   Shelley, you just mentioned that you are   taking photographs   for a living, basically,   and for the upcoming   AI, you   you you can can basically say that the the rise of AI is basically,   devaluing   your,   skill set, basically. And that's what's Definitely.   That's that's a common sentiment,   all over the place for musicians,   for   for all people who do something creatively or not or just just basically workers as well or coders. It's it's it's all over the place. So you basically have a skill set or it's it's also in the gaming industry which which connects to the topic we had the last time. If you have people, like I said, who can code   and   that is now getting picked up by AI and to basically do the the brunt of the work, It puts a lot of people out of work, which you can see in the industry right now. There's tons of of of gaming companies who let go tens   of thousands of people right now because of this   problem, let's call it like it is. You know? It is a problem. Yeah. It is a problem because it puts people out of work and and devalues   your skill set, for example, or our skill set as musicians.  

It it certainly has   a certain   supportive   value.   For example,   me or my my drummer,   who came up with the idea,   mainly used the AI functions   to, take songs from us or earlier songs and getting them remastered or slightly altered by it to make it a more rounded song. But it was basically 99%   us. And the stuff we played earlier   is basically   an AI cover version of our material.   We just recorded a random   chord progression   while playing around with with, guitar effects   and set the AI to, okay,   cover this song with 19%,   90%   originality or original song   and that was what came out of it. And the difference is still   very big.  



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Yeah. Yeah. It is. I mean,   we can we can play that one in a sec. Actually, if I I'll I'll give you a a guys a snippet of it now before we get to the top top of the hour.   So this is is it right to play it now? This is the this is what? Maybe just to give you some that we've   yeah. So that what the song that we just listened to,   of, you know, twenty minutes ago, quarter of an hour ago,   actually came from this piece   of music. Now this is a   relatively,   I'm gonna say, quote, unquote, live recording. So, you know, maybe you laid down your tracks or whatever, but it was all done in the studio by yourselves, wasn't it? Correct. It's just basically raw recording from the rest of the room, us playing around with all the mistakes and slip ups you usually get. So there you go. Alright. So so I'll I'll play you a snippet of this before we get to the top of the hour. It's about it's about three minutes to the top of the hour. So we got a little bit of time to get some of  

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the way through.   No. I liked that as well.   I  

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did as well. Thank you.  

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I did. I did.  

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Yeah. Let me ask you a   question because I do this with everybody I play this song to.   Think of movies. Can you just name a movie that music would fit to?   You have to go back a few decades, though.  

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Oh, crikey.  

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It's a hard one, if you're not into the topic. But  

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No. I don't know. I don't know.   Something suspense like.   Yeah. Yeah. I I don't know. I honestly don't know. It could be used in a variety  

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of things. We we we were on a kind of sci fi,   kinda,   trip at the moment. So Blade Runner comes to mind, which is basically   more or less the same kind of vibe in the very beginning, I think. So, yeah,   that was the idea   behind it, weirdly enough. And us playing around, you know, drums, obviously, that is in the background very slightly is is the other,   my other mate on the keyboard. And, funnily enough, the main synth you hear is actually not a synth, but my guitar with heavily,   altered   output. Oh, it's basically just a a synth mod that is on there. So you wouldn't think that it's actually a guitar playing.  

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No. No. But that's what kind of baffles me with all of this because, I mean, it's be it's obviously come so far AI, but   real realistically,   for years, musicians have been using drum machines,   you know, music desks and all that sort of stuff to get their recordings where they can tweak things and stuff like that. But it's like, has it just gone a step too far now?   Because   I don't know. I don't know how I feel about it all. I mean,   do do you think that the AI's voice in that first song, could could you tell distinctively that that's not a human voice?   Clear out. I found some freedom.  

You've gone very quiet, mister Scott.  

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Don't remember   where I was.   I realized   life was a game.   The more seriously   I   the more seriously I could things, the harder the rules became.   I have no idea   what it goes.   My life passed before   my eyes.   I found out how little   I accomplished   all my planes and I.   So as you read, there's no my friends.   I love to stay with you all.   Miss my weather think of me.   My butt is gone.   That's  

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There you go. Apologies.  

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I liked it. I liked it.  

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Apologies for my mic levels before the, before the break there. We were a little late on the break. I was trying to,   yeah, my fault. Sorry. That's alright.  

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That's okay. I forgive you.  

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Yeah. That that was,   obviously, that was a Megadeth cover, believe it or not. Shelley, I don't know whether you, were were aware you're now into heavy metal.  

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You're trying to get me that way, aren't you? To be fair. Well,  

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if if you want to somewhere.  

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Look up soft rock featuring Anna Paula Costa if you wanna find that version on YouTube. It's that's I thought that was a really lovely version, actually,   and very raw, like like, in the flesh, like raw notes and and this, that, and the other.   A fire cry from from the AI.  

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Yeah.   Instantly, the one of the things tapping.   Really.  

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Yeah.   One of the things that,   really has impressed me about the AI thing is just obviously   the production.   Is that down to your mate who's doing the production, or is it   partly down to the AI as well?  

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I'd I'd say,   it's it's a bit fifty fifty at the moment.   But, like I said,   we mainly use it, to enhance,   the the bits and bobs we throw in, and we're quite happy what comes out at the moment. But,   there was was a thought that came up while listening to the music and that solidified itself a bit. When you listen to something,   that is   handmade,   you know, there's there's more soul to it and it is, in my opinion, it it sucked me right in and made me tap my foot and nod and and, you know, there's there's this certain facial expression when you hear something that is really cool, your eyes squint a bit. You you   your lips go,   and you think, oh, that's nice. I don't know. You're you're a guitar player as well. You know that. It's called a smile. It's called a smile, isn't it? Not not not not only No. I'm doing it now, actually. I'm re creating This is   this appreciative   look on your face and   hell yeah. That's good stuff   kind of vibe you get there. But with AI, I think   the more you put in, you get to a point of how do you say, diminishing returns? What you can certainly overdo it. And at some point, it sounds kinda overdone, which is basically one of my main gripes with,   let's call it industrialized   music   of late or even over the past two decades or even before that, if you have heavily over engineered,   albums and stuff. You know? I'm I was always a person who liked it a bit more nitty gritty, more raw, more real.  

And,   because if you take too much out of it, it it's sucking the soul out of music, which happens at an alarming rate right now with AI. Gotta be honest, you know, even though I I I,   use AI or we use AI You're dabbling in a route. You you are certainly dabbling in it. Danger dangers, and you could can   easily   destroy people's interest in music by completely   overdoing it or taking the easy route.  

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Yeah.   I mean, it takes you back to all these, like, you know, some of these old records. Like, well, like the old record that that I hate going back to that Eminem thing, but like the old style that that was based upon.   It was more often than not, like, a few mics in a room.   You know, if you were lucky on some on, like, some sort of stereo track   thing that, you know,   that would that would pick up the instruments.   So,   yeah. Like you say,   it did sound quite soulful, that one at the beginning. You gotta admit for an M and M tune, it was blooming soulful.  

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Yeah.  

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But, yeah, like you say, I think it takes it strips everything out of   the human oh, the humanity of it. You know? Yeah.   Sometimes   some of the best gigs you've ever listened to have got, like, rough notes in them. Like,   you know, go back to   I don't know, some of the, like, the early Doors or Rolling Stones gigs and stuff like that, and they are literally just raw recordings taken on taken on the stage at the time.   And there's loads of bum notes in there. Does it take away from the,   experience? No. I think it kind of adds to it because you're there you're in that moment at that time.  

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Yeah. It's it's interesting. You you mentioned that, especially the live aspect.   I I keep watching,   quite a lot of, music,   YouTube   stuff,   to to go back on that topic. And I quite enjoy a lot of, those,   live takes or radio   sessions.   There was there was one,   the Black Crow's, Remedy comes to mind or or one of the newest songs they were in with Howard Stern in the studio, I think. And they were playing a lot a few live versions, and they had a few odd notes in there. But the whole construct   sounded a lot more alive than most of the, radio stuff they play or their stuff that's played on the radio rather.   There's   just so much soul in there and and especially the background singers they had in there. I think they have these ladies on tour and they were absolutely nailing that one. So, you know, very soulful background singing in those songs.  

Oh, man. That makes this song that   that brings it to life, the whole thing and the bits and bobs, the slight mistakes,   you know. It's it's it's more real that way. And I love it. Yeah.  

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So so what what's the sort of cost   really of of   adding AI to your   stuff? Is there, like, there there's obviously, you gotta pay for a program, have you? Or have you got a what how does it work? Well,  

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everything these days,   whether it is software   for your pictures, Shelley can probably relate to that. Adobe is is probably a problem. She's she's familiar with with Yeah. Probably.   There is now a horribly expensive   a horribly expensive subscription based thing unless you go to,   through certain channels and acquire it No. I  

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I I'm helping to do that in a day.  

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I'm helping publish a book at the moment, and and and it's like Adobe,   whatever it's called, InDesign is costing me £32 a month or something silly. Right. There you go.  

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These these used to be very, very expensive programs back in the day. So it goes along the same lines. I think,   my mate bought a yearly subscription at a very, very reduced rate, which boils down to about 6 or £7.   And it's based on a credit system. So you have a certain amount of credits,   for a number of, quote, songs you can produce with that.   So you get probably get, like, twenty, thirty, 40 songs out of of the out of that monthly subscription.   And if you get go for a pro one, which is more expensive, I don't know if it was 20 or 30 or whatever,   then you have, like, an unlimited version,   something along the lines. I don't know for sure. I picked up a few things here and there, but we weren't going into too much detail. But, yes, you can expect a subscription based thing starting off at a very low,   probably a tenner   reasonably,   which which is okay if you want to play around with it, I reckon. But, if if you rely on stuff like this or, like, for your photography or for music or for mastering your songs or for AI enhancement   of any sort,   that can get expensive quite a lot. So you get your stuff done, but mostly somebody else will profit from it then.  



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Yeah. Well, I had an email   last night from Adobe because I've been paying   £7.99   a month   for about three years. And it annoyed me then because back in the day, I can remember actually buying like we did back in the day, you buy that program and it would cost you like a good £500   odd.   And   yeah so for the for the last years I've been paying a subscription   but as of next month when it renews   it's going up to £15 a month. So it's a big step.   That's double? Yeah. It's more or less double.   I was like, crikey.   Then? I do use it though, you know, but,   I don't know. It's frustrating. But I think with all of these programs now, it's all monthly. And I think within that though, I get that, like, 20 credits that I can   you you know, you can just type in what you wanna change the background to and stuff like that. I haven't used a lot of it because   it just doesn't feel   right. Of course, I use how to do it. By 2030.  



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Yeah. I was gonna say, by twenty thirty, you will earn nothing and be happy. You'll be happy about it. Exactly.  

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It's it's meant to be because, you know, I'm I'm going back to building a dark room. I've got films here to be developed and stuff. And that creative   aspect,   I mean, I'd spend hours in a dark room and it's just like heaven, absolute heaven and you'll never get that same print   exactly the same because it's just got such a personal touch to it. And I've actually been thinking that I might start at a later stage when I'm like,   heavy and excited for work again to,   offer people portrait shoots because everything goes back to how it was, doesn't it, at some point? You know, we listen to vinyl now. I listen to a lot of vinyl and offer that as a service. Here's a contact sheet. Wild wild idea for you.  

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Offer them the whole shebang.   Let them, develop their own negative things in the darkroom probably   because that could be   could be   a major selling point for people who actually appreciate the handmade stuff, you know. Mhmm. It's probably not not far far off and there is probably even a market for this. Just charge them an arm and then let them do their own work. I think there is because I I think lots of people these days, photographers  

[01:16:45] Unknown:

in particular, they they move on to, like, selling marketing and selling courses because that's how they end up making their money.   When my studio and everything is finished I think I probably will move to that side a bit.   Of course.   Yeah we could you know I'm in love with vinyl at the moment. I've just found someone today on marketplace,   who's selling a Eagles   LP   and I was like, has it got any scratches or anything of it? And she's like, no. No. She said, I've never played it. And I was like,   what? You've never played it? Because I'm always playing the Eagles. But I've got my little cheap record player downstairs   and just the sound of vinyl, I just love it. Oh, yeah.  



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The   sound bits. It's analog.  

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Yeah. Yeah. But it's it's analog. There is nothing between you and the and the sound wave.   Whereas,   you know,   now it's all CDs and digital or or even worse, it's not even CD. Well, it's showing showing my age there, aren't I? It's not even CDs anymore.   Oh, dear. It's just it's spot on my eyes. Industry  

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cringing   and cowering in fear because somebody still owns their own music in physical   form. How   dare you, Shelley?   Yeah. Exactly. Take them away from you by   by   changes.  

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Yes. Damn. You're gonna be able to pass that onto your children. Isn't that a shame?   They're not gonna be able to make any money out of it a second time around. You know? I see yeah. No.   Ryan Laddie, you've hit the nail on the head. Absolutely.   Oh, I'm so glad I invited you on this evening. That's just brilliant. It's it's been fun so far. Thanks for having me again.   Well, Shelley's actually are you you're on,  

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early hiatus I am. Aren't you, Shelley? I need to go in, like, ten minutes or so.  

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Well, that's alright. I mean, Ryan Lander, you are welcome to just join me for the rest of the show. We can spin some tunes and and and and carry on going over this AI thing. But the,   so what do you think then? Just,   because I wanna ask Shelley this as well before she goes. What do you think is the future of music then, Shelley? Well Looking at all this stuff. Should right. One question.  

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Should AI generated music be labeled or disclosed to listeners?   Does it does it matter?   Hard. Yeah. So we're gonna get to that point, like, in five years down the line. Oh, this is the new, blah blah blah AI song, but that's if it ever gets to that point where Don't forget, in in Japan and Korea, they've got you've got all this k pop stuff and blah blah blah, and they're happy  

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that it's AI generated.   They love dystopia, these folks, don't they? Yeah. But they are happy that it's AI generated.   The the yeah. Oh, no. Have you seen the latest? Oh, no. There's a there's a better AI one here. Well   yeah. But we're talking about a country. I'm not being funny. We're talking about country Korea that has got,   stop and go signs in the pavement because people won't look up from their phones at pedestrian crossings. So, you know  

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And I mean, what did have you found, Ryan, that, like, has it challenged you with your creative approach or has it made you more creative?  

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In a way, yes and and no. Basically, yeah, I know. It's it's it's it's a stupid answer. But on one hand,   you just do what you do and see what comes out of it and you listen to it and then maybe that inspires you to do something else. You know, we were playing around with with the soul soundscape we had earlier. You know, a little bit of music snippet we played and,   threw that into AI and something came came out of it. And we basically just, sending that back and forth and everybody was listening to it and said, hey. That's cool. I might have an idea for next time. Then we should try this, record it, and send it through AI again and see how what what comes out. You know, we're basically in this dabbling phase and seeing how that inspires  

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us. So yes. Is it gonna become an addiction?   Is it gonna become an addiction, though? Because will you not be able to leave AI alone? Like, will you not be able create a tune without it? That is a very good question. So,  

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I I see the potential problem in that. Yes. So I I'd put it at yes. It is a problem potentially   for us if we rely too much on it. On the other hand, at some point, it might get boring. So,   if I if I might circle back,   through the question of of AI marking content,   sorry for going back to that point. But, That's alright. No. That's good. The thing is my opinion on that is   strictly yes. Everything that is, completely AI done should be labeled as such. If it's AI enhanced,   maybe that should be another term or something just to make sure, hey, there's still some human input in there and not just prompts, but actual music like we played beforehand.   And,   if it's completely AI free, maybe that's another   mark of quality for the content. So if if I browse around,   YouTube, for example, and I start listening to something that sounds vaguely interesting,   and I hear this   obnoxiously   boring and flat AI voice   telling me something that is vaguely interesting, I click off because I'm immediately bored.  

And I usually,   unsub or or basically ban the channel from my feed because I can't be bothered to listen and to any of that drivel. Sorry. If if it's a bit harsh,   but, you know, you know No. You're bang on. You're bang on. But, you know, did this same with your daughter. You know, you told her, hey. That's an AI version of, or cover of of one of his tunes, and she's not interested in that. That. Hey. That's that's completely fine. Everybody finds something in there. And it basically boils down to and I think we all agree on that. If it's something we enjoy   and you said, hey. That's, the other song that is has not been played today. That's actually a cool tune, and we like it.  

Thank you for that. But to be honest, it's it's like a 90%   cover version of one of our songs that is basically a computer,   bits, bobs, ones and zeros that it's is serenading you if you like it or not. Well, that's your decision. If you like it, that's fine.  

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It's your choice. It's not my choice. Like the sound of it. I mean, the thing is you cannot deny that it's going to learn from what it hears. Yeah. And it's going to create   nice harmonies and why would you know, it's not gonna create dissonance, is it? So it's gonna create nice harmonies and stuff. So it's it's not gonna be not be pleasing to the ear. Yeah. I suppose the the the   I suppose we go back to the original reason of creating music in the first place. Are we doing it   for us?   Are we doing it for others? And what's the I I suppose with the AI thing is is,   I don't know. What I I definitely think   that AI music or AI complimented music should   be treated in a different quality genre.  

Exactly. Far be it for me to say, but should be treated in a completely different quality genre to the, like, raw, real music. Yeah.  

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Out of fairness,   first and foremost, because, you know, if you have a song that has been done by a human being, same with photography, you know, you take photo,   you you do put all the effort in, the lighting, the background, the composition,   the the golden aspect ratio, and all that stuff   that we all learned at some point about photography.   It's it's an acquired skill set and it's easily diminished by AI slop. I man, I love that term.  

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AI slop. It's  

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only fair,   to tell people, hey. What you're watching, what you're listening to,   is   not real a 100%.   And make your own decisions. If you wanna,   support that or you'd rather support Shelly who still knows how to take a proper picture or mister Scott and mister Ryan, who are sitting in a shed   somewhere, making some real proper music while having a few silence. Yeah.  

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Final final final question for Shelly before she goes.   How many government decisions do you think her AI made?  

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Oh, crikey.  

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If not, it's just one to think about. This is such a toxic question.  

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Yeah.   You got me there.   Yeah. Hasn't even entered my head. But no. Very interesting. And it just it is it's concerning, but it's exciting. I use AI a lot. I do. I love it. But it is I think there was an Amazon store in the country that lost 65   of their employees,   a couple of weeks ago because AI have taken over the jobs that they were doing.   But it's like you said Yeah. It's like you said earlier, Maleficast, get to nineteen thirty, you will have everything but own nothing.   We are on that path.   And I don't think there's no going back on it because everything   is to do with apps on your phone.  



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It's down to the acquiescence of the people. It's down to the acquiescence of the people and sadly, they're quite happy to sit in their own cage.  

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Boom. Boom.  

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Boom. Yeah. Kids. They are. They are. Aren't they? Yeah. They they're quite happy to sit in their own cage. Oh, take away all my freedoms, but leave me my creature comforts. I've been saying it for years.   You know?  

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Oh, man. Right. Stuff. Well, look. That's a good point good time for me to end. And, anyway, it was lovely to have a conversation with you, Ryan, and, yeah, really interesting.   So thank you for coming on.   And, yeah, we'll catch up again at some point. And,   I will love you and leave you, boys.  

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Alright. Look. Hope it goes quick, Shelley, my darling. And be good. I will. I will.   And, Folks, you will catch Shelley the same time next week No. You won't. For a slightly longer time. You won't. You won't.  

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Because it's you next week all by yourself. It is. Good by myself. Yeah. I forgot about that. She's on hiatus again, folks. I'm going to watch the illegal eagles. It's got to be done.  

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Yeah. No. It has. It has. It's got to be done. My sister went to see,  

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the Aussie Pink Floyd the other night, and it was amazing. Yeah. So, I just love it. Love it. And I'm going to watch Riverdance on Sunday.   And that, when they're all on stage,   tapping the vibrations   coming from the floor and stuff. Oh, I'm so excited. Yeah. Best night out ever. So   there we  

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are. Right. Alright. Well, you take care. I will. Shelley Shelley is on her way. Me and Rhinelander will be back with you after the break, folks. You are listening live to radiosoapbox.com  

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and apparently on Radio Clear Air FM. Freedom. The Sound of Freedom. Right? FM. FM. I nearly got it right. I nearly got it right. You're you're getting there. You're getting better. Yeah. Right, boys. I'll speak to you all soon. Take care. Have a good week, listeners. See you soon.  

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Cheerio.   Okay. So, folks,   we will see you after this short break. This is a cover.   Another cover. Shall I play you another cover, or should we go on to some no. Let's go on to this. This is straight out of the pure original archive, folks. Played it a couple of times on the show,   particularly when Colin came on and did his lying down trick for the police.   Well done, that man. Here we go. This is Falling Down. Enjoy.   There we go, folks. It's falling down straight out of the pureoriginal.com   archive from more than twenty years ago. How about that? What did you think of that one, Rhinelander?  

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Yeah. Handmade made music. Rock. Yeah. Let's   go.  

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Love it. Well, back then, there was no AI, so we can guarantee that one hasn't got any AI AI in it.   But no. Genuinely,   I'm really looking forward to   the the other tune that obviously we can't play tonight, but spoiler folks, we will play it in a in a couple of weeks,   when it has actually officially been released. And,   yeah, hopefully send some some traffic your way even if if it's just onto YouTube to listen to the tunes and and that kind of thing. You know? So I'll let you know where you can listen to it, and and people can can  

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give it a listen and, yeah, see if they like the the version   that n I that the AI puts out with a little bit of help from us.  

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Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's it's always interesting to see what comes out, I guess. Yeah.  

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I need that but just to be to be clear, in that song is a lot more, original stuff, than in the songs we heard earlier. So it's it's   if if you value that song's quality   on the AI input,   it should be rated higher on your list then because it's more Yeah. Of us in there.   It's more raw than than AI. Yeah. Let let's see how we just I haven't heard it yet. So I'm I'm,   as expectant at you as you are.  

[01:33:31] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, I'm as excited as you are, obviously. You know, it's it's something that my mate's doing that is, you know, it's it's it's going out there. As you know, I've been working on tunes for the last year on,   I've been working on tunes for the last four years. Well, unfortunately, like, I ended up quitting the quitting with the band that I was in. So I've ended up working on my own for the last, like, year,   and,   stuff's coming together, but so slowly because I work on my own most of the time.   I had, mister Von Kurt round to do some drumming last night, but bless him, he was so knackered after work. There was really not a lot of productivity   involved. So as you well know from going to the jam room, you know, time in time out, there's there's there's nights when it's not always   as productive as it could be. But, you know,   yeah. So going back to my previous question,   what do you see then,   as the future   of music? Do you do you think it's it's lit it should be labeled in that way, or do you think   that they're just gonna run ride shot like, rough shot over everything?  



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I think that will be for a little while. Everybody,   you know, it's it's always it's it's the new hot shit. Sorry for for that. But, you know No. That's fine. That's fine. The new hot shit, and everybody wants a piece of it because it makes your life easier.   To be honest,   if you're just sitting in a room with a few mates and,   jam a bit and then you come up with a fairly decent song idea, you put it all together, and it then tell the AI basically just to master all the levels what a normal sound engineer would normally do. Yes. It will put some people out of work,   certainly at our level,   but the real professionals will probably outdo any AI any day, in my opinion, as of now.  

But if it helps us   just to take our raw,   unfiltered sewage and turn it into crystal clear water   or a good song for you to listen to I wouldn't call it sewage, mate. I wouldn't call it sewage. You you get the idea. You know, you have something that is so raw and unfiltered and base barely usable and you put it into a decent state with the help of computers.   That's fine by me. But, you need to you need to make people aware of it to a point. AI remaster is fine. All the other stuff is us, which which is still on a different level. But if you do all the stuff yourself,   if you're able to, but none of us are real sound engineers and we just do it for a hobby. If it enables us to get our stuff out there,   with a decent amount of work,   it's fine. Like, we we we are able to express ourselves. On that basis  

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on that basis,   and bearing in mind what I've just said about my own tunes and stuff. On that basis,   you've kind of sold it to me   in the respect that it takes a lot of the ball ache out of things. And I and I guess that's what a a lot of people are using AI for. But, you know, as I say, you've got all these, you know, k pop artists and stuff   nowadays that are it's literally it's all AI. Yeah.   And that's   I I I still I've yeah. I see,   I I don't know whether it's my age, mate, but I just have this,   like, problem with crossing that bridge. Yeah. You know what I mean? I I I still do paper invoices for my business.  

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Just just think about   you know,   making music for me, I've I've come a long way. But way back in the day, I was able to buy myself a guitar and an amp. I plugged it in.   You just set the basic tone out of this little box, and you were never quite happy with the sound. And nowadays,   after years and years of playing around,   my guitar sound or my guitar is basically plugged into a little,   digital   interface which plugs into my computer, which then process   processes the signal and sends out, a return signal that sounds like I'm running a big   Marshall stack or a guitar amp, a really fancy one with lots of tone pedals that do, like, echoes or gain or   or or reverb or what whatnot.  

Guitar players know what I mean.   But for for the less musically inclined, it's basically all the fancy sounds a guitar can make are basically   in a program on your computer and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg and it then enables your guitar to sound   absolutely stadium quality  

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great if you want to. That's my extent. You plug it in, I am able to record that sound and that's it. I send it over to my mate, he does the rest. You know? Well, as as you said earlier, you you were plugged in you were plugged in through that before, and you you wouldn't have realized that the main keyboard sound in that tune was actually your guitar. Exactly.   Yeah.   I mean, don't get me wrong. I love my effects. I I spent years listening to Pink Floyd and and all that kind of thing. You know, I I love my guitar effects. And at one point, I was running a   a setup that revolved around,   two amplifiers, and I'd split the guitar signal into one set of effects and another set of effects so that you could literally, you know, play one thing in   of one out of one amplifier   and just have it resonate while you played over the top of it through the other amplifier. So I I used to love my effects, and I've I've literally stripped everything down now   to a volume pedal,   a Marshall amp, or it's a valve amp, so it does sound nice,   a reverb,   and an echo or a delay pedal as as guitarists would know it. So literally, I've I've literally just stripped everything back to simply that.  

And for me now, because I've spent so many years playing through effects,   I feel like, you know, it all set when you plug straight into when you plug your guitar straight into a Marshall amp and you get the the actual true tone Oh, yeah. Or a valve amp, doesn't have to be a Marshall amp. You get the true tone of of what your guitar actually sounds like, and it's and it's down to your fingers actually to to make it sound how you want it to sound.   Then, again, there's another skill set. But then so I guess I guess I'm kind of arguing against guitar pedals now and lumping them in with AI. Is it you know, in some respects Kinda like. Yeah. That's that's not that's not fair, is it? Because people have been playing through effects pedals for years. I I know. But the other thing is it's it's both a skill, but that's also the aspect of of, accessibility, you know.  

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I'm at this   this point in my life, I'm not able to afford, like, a,   5 to   €500   or or pound guitar   amp top and then the cabinet for another thousand or whatever   and,   a buttload of of guitar pedals that cost, like, 300, £400 each or maybe a 100. But the lottery You do have a buttload of guitars though. I know that for a while. See, that's where the money went.  

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So you could have had that lovely amp, but you chose more guitars.  

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The thing is it enables me to still have all the fancy sounds and and and be happy about it and and record that stuff, because for for me playing guitar, I want to have a nice sound, you know, and and and a nice playability and and choices and all that stuff. And I have a lot more with the options I have. But I give you that. If you have, like, a proper   guitar amp, as basic as it sounds, but a properly dialed in valve amp   is well,   guitar enthusiasts   can certainly relate, but that sound, if you have it properly dialed in, beats any digital,   interface I can provide   by far.  

Yeah.  

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Yeah. But then, you know, as I say, people have been playing through effects for years. Yeah. So, you know, how much?   I suppose it's just down to how much you dial in the AI, how much you how much leeway you allow it.  

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You know? Whereas, at least yeah. I think yeah. Yeah. It's it's funny, ain't it? If if you think about the future, where where this all is going, this was basically the main questions you, your question you had before.  

[01:41:51] Unknown:

Yeah. This is this because this is a real biggie. Where does it all go in the respect of actually having,   putting across, like, expressing yourself?  

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Yeah.  

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I think so. As in actually yourself.  

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I I have a very,   very aptly named dystopian idea about that coming back to the song name from earlier. But no.   If you think about the whole thing, what enables these people to do or even companies to do that can put out more stuff more easily,   basically   basically devaluing,   the the actual worth of the music or the art they're putting out, the songs,  

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while still charging more probably for the whole thing because Yeah. I guess The whole thing. The whole yeah. You hit the nail on the head there. Because all of this computing,  

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you you ding. AI is not cheap. If you're using your phone to ask it,   hey, how much is that bag of chips at Costco's today,   that has to run through a computer? It produces a lot of heat, uses electricity that is has to come from somewhere. All the hardware needs to come from somewhere. You know, the cost of that simple question is what most people don't see and that is a simple silly question you ask it. Now remember putting in megabytes or gigabytes of data to master a song. The amount of computing that is behind,   that is probably   a ton bigger because a lot more thinking has to go into that literally. Well, it's just ones and zeros, but still a lot more.  

And It's a lot more energy is what you're saying. It's more power consumption. Exactly. And that is one that is one of the,   things,   which will be a limit of limiting factor at some point or if if we,   well, you know, this this this concept about Sorry. You've you   I was gonna say, sorry. You've used up all your carbon credits this month. You can't master any more music. Exactly where I was go this was exactly where I was going. You know, the whole world is going green at the moment. Everybody wants to be a bit   more, responsible   about their carbon footprint, which in a way   is fine. You know? I don't don't want to to litter and I don't want to to   to go places   unnecessarily.  



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It's fine. I just have to say before you go any further, I just have to say I think the labeling of carbon footprint is a misnomer, but we'll carry on carry on where you are at. Just just bear with me. You all know Yeah. What I'm on about. So,  

[01:44:23] Unknown:

if if you're a bit sensitive about that and then you use stuff like AI   very liberally,   that is basically   very how how do you say hypocritical?  

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Hypocritical is no different to people like Bill Gates taking flights all over the world to go and do his business and then we should all be Don't burn too much fuel. You're carbon Don't burn too much fuel. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You know where I'm going with this. Yeah. So I'm me using  

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AI for stuff like this, I'm very well aware what's behind there. It's it's not just a black box that stuff goes into and something nice and shiny comes out of it. No. Just behind there are all the little all the little elves working away in this in in Santa's sweatshop, you know, who's getting in the Christmas mood, to get your stuff together.   No. It's just it's just a big computer farm that is just running on tons of energy, and they're building tens of thousands of them right now as far as I know. Yeah. And Yes. They are. These AI centers are absolutely  

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huge.   Yeah. Absolutely huge. And the amount of consumption Everybody's saving  

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energy and fuel and other thing, and we blow it right into those farms.  

[01:45:37] Unknown:

Yeah. Oh, man. You've hit a real nail on the head there.   Absolutely. I I didn't expect you to go in this direction, mate. But yeah. Yeah.  

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I thought we just had a nice music. Bigger picture, you know, that's usually your thing.  

[01:45:50] Unknown:

No. Well, no. It is usually my thing. But I you know? But, no. You've hit the nail on the head. So we we've we're living on this green planet where we've all got to tighten our belts,   and yet they're putting all this infrastructure   into   essentially taxing air,   which is, you know, your your carbon footprint.   And, you know, like I say, you not just all these AI centers, but all the housing going up everywhere and this, that, and the other. All this stuff   is contributed   to   supposedly the greenhouse effect. Is that even a thing anymore, or am I a bit nineties? I don't know.   But,   all this stuff is accumulative,   particularly the   Yeah.  



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Yeah.   I'm not going out as much as before, but I'm sitting in my home watching some YouTube videos.   See? Yeah. Which is coming from another server farm.   Or I'm talking to people on the Internet and playing with with them silly little games like we sometimes do. See? Yeah. Same.  

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Yeah. Exactly. So by by   do you know what? I think the world would I think you've just hit the nail on the head, actually. The world would use an awful lot less energy and be a lot greener if people just went out of their flipping doors and went and communicated with their local community   instead of living their lives through the little rectangle babysitters.  

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Good point.  

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Yes.   Yeah. I I think that is probably the major point of actually most of   the show this evening. Well, as you say, it's it's all been AI based.   A lot of the obviously,   it's all been a AI based what we're talking about this evening.   And as you say, it's got a it's got a power concern, it's got a consumption concern, it has a carbon   footprint, which is probably. I would love to know what the AI digital carbon footprint is.   I have no idea. I would love to know. I would love to know because every government is invested in it. It's being pushed out worldwide in order to stop people from thinking for themselves because, hey. Fuck it. Let's just let's just let AI do it for us. Excuse my French. But,   you know,   this world is becoming lazier and lazier   telling itself that the   the everything's going to crap or everything's going to shit because we're not looking after the planet. And everyone's just sat back on their lazy fat asses using all the power. Yeah. But, you know,  

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coming back to,   to the topic we have the last time we were meeting,   AI and   in in in drones and warfare, for example.   You were asking me, how, or could computers be used to train people?   Why bother? Just use AI. Just just let them Why bother? You use people to train AI. Yeah. Exactly.  

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Teach it pattern Computer games. And and give it to the proper sensory equipment and then let it hunt people on the ground or vehicles or whatever. You know? You've just hit you've just hit a moment. God, you're throwing it out of the park this evening. You are hitting it out of the park this evening. Yeah. Not being funny. You know? But you you there's no reason why, like, Black Ops seven,   etcetera, etcetera, all these new games coming out now, all these first person shooters couldn't be used to train AI to just,   train up Skynet. Why not?  



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I was about to say that Skynet comes to mind. This Yeah. Everybody's   favorite nineties robot dystopian horror movie,   Terminator. Yeah. That's   basically going there. And there are machine machines out there who already have a limited,   skill set of,   decision making.   That's Yeah. It's worrying. They do. Yeah.  

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It's worrying.   We had a lady on the show, a few weeks back go call,   a a a lovely lady called Debbie Hicks.   If anyone's interested, they can go back into the show archive. You can literally now,   because of Shelley's hard work, you can just go to shelleytaskershow.co.uk   and, or the shelleytaskershow.co.uk,   and you will,   find all the links to all our previous shows. We had Debbie Hicks on a little while back who was worried about the,   the digital ID   coming in   and basically just saying, look, you know, because I've said for ages, no one's gonna fight for this country. In fact, there was a poll taken   in this country and that, it was put out on the mainstream media   that roughly 46% of the country would actually fight for the country. Well, that's not surprising, is it? Because no one no one actually knows what country they're fighting for. And I've said for ages, who how are they gonna get people to sign up? And you you've had talk of conscription and stuff over in Germany recently. Oh, yes. It's a very, very real thing at the moment. Yes.  

Yeah. We'll we'll we'll get into that in a second. But what,   what Debbie was saying is is that if everyone goes over to the digital ID, they'll just call up your number. And if they don't, they'll just shut off your bank account. They've already shut down something like a million bank accounts or a million and a half bank accounts in Thailand because people won't sign up to the digital ID.   So that's how they're gonna get people to fight for the country. They'll just take away their finances.   Crazy. Crazy. So what's going on with conscription over in Germany at the moment then? Because we're we're running in we're in the last, like, nine,  

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eight and a half minutes of the show, mate. So let's let's get into that if you don't mind. I know we don't normally cover these sorts of subjects. But Yeah. Well, I'm I'm not an expert, so I've give you my very, very loose understanding on the whole topic. Germany basically got rid of its,   what's it called, conscription,  

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in Yeah. 20 National service conscription.  

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Or 12. So you'd have the choice of going to the German Bundeswehr or the German army. Basically,   any branch, would do. You had to do, like, a certain amount of time. I think when I was supposed to go, I had the option of doing   the German army for about twelve months or civil service.   I went to civil service and did something   more worthwhile.   Went to a hospital and and helped out there, which I thought was more meaningful,   which Very noble. You can flame me for that noble intentions. You can flame me for that if you want, but I I know a lot of, German army guys and I have a lot of respect for them. And I'm not one of those German guys,   sorry, who who talks down to them because they do something for the country. I very, very much appreciate those guys. I'm very thankful for their service as everybody should do because they are the first line to save your butt when the bullets are coming your way. Absolutely.  

Yeah. Just so, you know, that's my opinion on that topic. But for me, it wasn't the thing. You know, I'm I'm not as as fit and and, as fighty   of a guy. I'm rather doing something with my brains,   and   what I can give as a person to somebody else. So I'd rather do that. Anyway, going back to the whole conscription thing, yeah, they got rid of the whole thing in 2012,   if I'm not mistaken. I might be wrong there. And the whole 2011, I believe. Yeah. I think so. And the whole situation   in in Europe as a whole, you probably know what's all about,   has brought Germany to the point where we discovered that we're no longer able to defend ourselves,   supposedly. Oh, yeah. We've been told that over here as well. Isn't that funny? Yeah. But the thing is the German army, if you look at it these days, it's basically like a like a a fancy sports car from the nineteen seventies with three wheels,   and a four cylinder engine, which was two running cylinders   and, the doors falling off. That's basically the German army. Same as the British army and the British navy and the British RAF. And by the way, no nobody's driving it. That's the point.  

As long as it's as long as it's not not not like the old French tanks with mirrors. So So they're basically planning of, throwing in a lot of money into this this, into this pit   alongside some unsuspecting   and willing people who who basically just fall out the other end because of the missing doors.   And yeah.   Yeah. Yeah. They tried to fix a problem that is that has gotten so big over the decades, and they're trying to fix it now by getting people back in. I think you're supposed to be able to be drafted   till the age of, I don't know,   40, 50, 60   in in war times and probably till your forties when you're not served. I don't   know. But thing is they they need to stock up,   the, cannon fodder. Sorry. The manpower   in the, German army again  

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to a certain point. Yeah. They need to do the same over here as well. It's almost like they know that war's coming, isn't it? It's funny. And this is one of the weird things   that I always I I talk about quite a lot, and that is   all this effort that they put in   to creating a digital infrastructure,   particularly up in London where you have, like, things like   ultra low emission zones or ULEZ zones as they're known.   And they're digitizing all the roads around   all the motorways around London as well. The M 25 is being digitized and so is the M 4 and all that kind of thing or M 5.   So   they're creating all this digital infrastructure. My question is is are they actually really gonna destroy that so that they can take away   so that they'll have to start rebuilding it all over again to keep the cage in place?  

It's an odd one, isn't it? I I'm not expecting you to answer that, but it's something to mull over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's something to mull over. Yeah. For sure.   Well yeah.   Oh, well, look. It's been a really interesting show, mate. Thank you so much for coming on and playing us the music. Will you come on again in a in a in a week or two?   And we can,   we can showcase your new tune. Yeah. That'd be great. If I'm allowed to.   No. You are you are more than welcome, sir. And and your insight you've hit it out the park a few times tonight on the points you've made, actually. Really, you have.   So thank you so much. Thank you so much for coming on.  

We're about four minutes away from the end of the show, about three and a half minutes.   So what I'm gonna do is just play us out with a tune, if that's good with you. I'm fine.   Let's go.   Okay. So this is,   the same guy that did Seether earlier. He did a clutch cover.   Mhmm.   His name his name is Jordan Moreau. Please go and look him up on YouTube and and show him your support. Just give him a follow or a thumbs up. Something anything. It's all good. So this is a clutch cover of, Ghost. Oh, oh, sorry.   A cover of Ghost by Clutch.   Enjoy folks. Thank you so much for your company. It's been great to have you here. Thank you.  

Thank you to Rhinelander. Thank you to Shelley. Hope she has a really pleasant night at work. Bless her.   And we will catch up with you next week.   Take care,  

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folks.  

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The leather souls go   show falling   in.   Stinking of smoke and   dense engine.   Now we'll toss their noble hole that I've this morning   given up the ghost.   Satisfied the most was stabbing   Manti at   the rose.  

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The rebel   bade   on the eyes  

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The creditor   rights will be his men.   The death of dead horse,   he won't forgive.   They repossesses   every size. Now  

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of gain are received,   nor afraid.   The rib of aid,   the eyes of evil.   The sons   of gain are received,   nor afraid.   Waiting for the dead man's shoes.   Have you heard the ladies' news?   Leather is his back from the dead.   Looking   as one will each fit.   Dripping with the waters of Shoal.   Bubbling about body and soul.   And then he found his wife rings their bed.   But naked   and already   wed.  

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The Tax Collector,   then they did shit.   The door swings open.