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Mischa is the author of the critically acclaimed book  "Is it Organic"?
He earned a B.A. from the University of Saskatchewan where he specialized in the history of nitrogen for fertilizer and warfare. He then worked as an Advanced Organic Farm and Process Inspector, inspecting over 500 organic farms and processing facilities on both sides of the border. He stopped inspecting when he realized there was no appetite in the industry to eliminate fraud and gross negligence, nor to improve the quality of organic food. He now works as a public speaker, political columnist and radio host.


In this episode of the Shelley Tasker Show, Shelley is joined by co-host Mallificus Scott and special guest Misha Popoff. The discussion delves into the fascinating intersections of history and religion, with a particular focus on the role of saltpeter in biblical times. Misha, an expert in the history of nitrogen, presents a compelling argument that the biblical references to 'salt of the earth' actually pertain to saltpeter, a key component in both gunpowder and fertiliser. This revelation challenges traditional interpretations and suggests a deeper understanding of biblical texts.

The conversation also explores the historical use of gunpowder, drawing connections from ancient biblical events to more modern historical contexts. Misha shares insights into how saltpeter might have been used in biblical battles, such as the fall of Jericho and the exploits of Gideon and Elijah. The episode is a thought-provoking journey through history, science, and theology, offering listeners a fresh perspective on ancient scriptures and their relevance today.

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Good evening ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker Show coming live out of RadioSoapbox.com.   It's good to have your company.   Today's   date is   Wednesday,   04/02/2025.   Happy hump day, everybody.   I am streaming live on Rumble. It should be working. I believe we've finally got the technical problems out the way. Anyway,   great show lined up for tonight. I am joined by my co   cohost, Malefika Scott, and we've got the wonderful guest, mister Misha Popoff, who's gonna be joining us. Mister Scott, are you there?   Might help. Hang on. If it might help if I unmute you, mister Scott.  

I'm trying to unmute you.  

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Ah, it's not entirely necessary.  

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Good evening, my lovely. How are you doing?  

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I'm I'm doing great. I'm I'm getting a bit of echo. So each time I speak, I'm gonna just,   wind my volume back. So   if I keep talking over you, just wave your hands at me. Okay.   Okay. I'll, No. I'm I'm I'm good. I've had a wonderful day. It's been absolutely stunning here in   in the in sunny old Cornwall.   I've been working on   a a fantastic little project,   that I've been I sent you some footage of a a couple weeks back of this old structure  

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that I'd made. Oh, your piece of art out of wood?  

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It yeah. Just   just chunks of wood   sort of all slammed together and,   making an impossible structure that   couldn't possibly stand up with huge without huge length of   reinforcement bar that has been drilled into it so that nobody can see.   It looks fantastic. We we finished it off today and surrounded it with, chunks big chunks of,   Cornish granite   and,   some lovely golden flint that surrounds the center of it. So   I will send you some pickings later on. And then maybe if we have a break at the at the bottom of the hour or at the top of the hour,   I'll go and grab the footage, and you may be able to show it to the rumble viewers.  



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How exciting. So you're into sculpturing now. You got me thinking I could maybe do a masterpiece in my garden.   You could. There's nothing stopping you. Art. Anything is art classed in these days, isn't it?  

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Well, I must say,   I I wouldn't   consider what I'd made art, but then   looking at some of the   supposed   Cornish artists and I'm not gonna mention any names, but looking at some of the supposed Cornish artists that are   asking up for twin up to £26,000   for some of their   collage work.   I guess what I did today, yeah, could could definitely be considered art compared to that.  

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I do think sometimes you see these, like you say, these artworks, don't you? I've been to galleries before, and it's like somebody's just flicked paint over canvases. And   once I, had a guy come in and he wanted me to photograph his collection.   And   to to me,   it was just splatters of paint and it was like,   but there's about 60 or 70 canvases that I had to,   photograph for his, collection. But someone viewed it as art. So, you know Oh, does that is in the eye of the beholder. It's like beauty, isn't it?  

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Well, it is. It is.   I mean, for me, I consider myself rather beautiful, but then   I am the beholder. Sorry about what it is. It is. I am Bear with me a minute. Me. I I can myself rather eye beautiful   than than I am on the beholder.  

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Sorry. Milica,   wait one second. I've got the other screen now. It's disappeared.  

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And, I am on the beholder.  

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Right. There we are. Sorry. Sorted, everybody. Sorted.  

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Well, you you had to   you you had to echo the worst thing I've ever said to myself, but there we go.  

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Oh, Christ.  

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No. I mean, to I gotta be honest, I mean, the whole idea that what I did today could be art is well and and today,   you know,   don't get me wrong. The lady that I've done it for, she's helped me do it, and she is really, really chuffed with the outcome. It's just not something that I would spend that sort of   labor hours   on on doing. You know?   So but then having said that, you know, like I say, some of this collage work,   that I've been   looking   at by supposed Cornish artists,   British goes back. Oh, yeah. At least nineteen thirties.   You know, it's amazing   what you can actually get money for nowadays. I'm sure if my child understand the work, I'd love to put it up on my fridge, but I certainly wouldn't pay $26   for it. So let me go.  



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Well, anyway, our guest has arrived. Good evening, mister Mishra.   Hello. Can you hear me? I can. I can. How are you doing?  

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Doing very well. Sorry. I I had to, register, apparently. I wasn't aware of that. Oh, sorry. Sorry.   No. No. No. Not your fault. I should have done that earlier. No. Let me just bit of an echo.  

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Yeah. Maleficar said that. He's what? Is it yourself you're hearing or   me echoing? You're fine.  

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James was echoing, and now I'm echoing in my own ear, which I can just take my ear piece out to contend with.  

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Oh, I'll tell you what. Frustrating.   Frustrating.   I don't know what that could be.   No worries. No worries. Okay. If it gets too bad, just say we'll take a music break, and we'll, try and figure it out.   Right. So I need to introduce you to the listeners. So we're we are joined this evening by the awesome Misha Popoff.   And   Misha, he's earned a BA in where he specialized in the history of nitrogen for fertilizer and warfare.   He's the author   of the book, Is It Organic?   And, wow, it's just got amazing stuff, actually. I've I've been googling you. Crikey, you come up a lot.  

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All good.  

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So I don't know where to start. I suppose we should start right at the beginning, really, because you've got a fascinating store stories to talk about, and I know we're gonna reach, like, some gunpowder chat later on. But tell us a bit about yourself for me, Sean. Like, how yeah. Tell Tell us your history and how you kind of got to where you are now. No rush. Sure. I I grew up on a grain farm up in Saskatchewan in Canada  

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and got a a degree in history.   And, yeah, I,   I focused in my upper years on the history of nitrogen.   And,   nitrogen in the form of a nitrate   so it's it's got oxygen in it. You know, anytime you put   a t e eight at the end of something, you it has oxygen in it. And,   I'll stop moving so my head doesn't bounce around. And so, yeah, nitrogen is the key ingredient in gunpowder.   It's also the most important fertilizer.   And so I wrote my book, Is It Organic? Yeah. Background o eight, o nine.   I got that out and,   had great fun with that. Got a bunch of interviews, like, with good people like yourselves and,   went on the public speaking circuit with, in the agricultural community that I had worked in for by that point for   about ten years.  

And,   yeah, but I didn't really piece it all together   until much more recently. And that that brings us to this interview, which is, Gunpowder in the Bible.   There's gunpowder,   and and and the tie in there is very very simple, actually. And we've all know we all heard where where Jesus says,   you are the salt of the earth.   And everyone thinks, oh, I wear salt. Like, you know, that salt you use to preserve food   or to pickle things,   pickling salts.   No. No. That's that's the wrong metaphor. And and in fact, what's the next line in Matthew is the most famous of those three. I really gotta stop moving around here. I gotta find Can you see me bouncing? It's like I've had too much coffee.  

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There, is that any better? That's fine. Are you using a thing? Of  

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the of the three places where Jesus declares   that   his followers   are the salt of the earth,   Matthew is the most important. Matthew, Mark, and Luke. John does something else with with this. But, yeah, we we we call that his servant on the mount.   And,   but he didn't mean salt as in sodium chloride, I figured out. I could say   about about ten years after I I published is it organic.   He meant saltpeter,   which is potassium   nitrate. Basically, it's nitrogen.   If you're talking to a chemistry major, they'll they'll scoff. You know, nitrogen doesn't exist in its elemental form. It's always in the form of a nitrate or a nitrite,   like in pure meats and such. Yeah. Well, who cares? For for the purposes of this discussion,   Jesus was not referring to salt, table salt, or cotton salt. He was referring to saltpeter,   which is the key ingredient again in gunpowder,   but also the key, fertilizer   for for food.  

And, so the clue to that comes to us from Luke. Of those three, they all say,   you are the salt of the earth. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Before we get to Luke. And then for Matthew, in the next line, in the next verse remember the verses were all added later by the Romans.   He says, you are the light of the world.   Right? We're we're to be the light on once you're a believer, you're to go out and spread the gospel. You are a light unto the nation.   Well, so so then you have two metaphors if you stick with table salt.   Right? You have,   salt as a preservative, like, for pickling or curing meat,   and then you're the light unto the world. Two separate metaphors. Obviously, no human being is literally light. Right? Only an angel can maybe be a glorified being that gives off light or Jesus and God himself.  

But if you go with saltpeter,   well, guess what?   Saltpeter,   potassium nitrate, is light.   It is, like, contains within it light. Light,   resplendent like the sun as some alchemists   would describe it down through the ages.   And all you gotta do is ignite it. And, it it occurred to me that that was what Jesus was really talking about. It's not two separate metaphors. It's one. You're the salt Peter of the Earth,   and   hence, you are a light unto the nations. You are literally gonna be light.   Okay?   And,   to follow through with that,   saltpeter,   nitrogen, that's how you get protein. It makes it makes everything green   for for animals to eat and then we eat the animals or we drink their milk or eat their eggs and that's all the result of, potassium nitrate.  

You you won't get protein   if you don't have potassium nitrate. So so it really starts to come together.   Now of those three,   Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Luke Luke   drives it home   because he says, you are the salt of the earth. They all say they all three of them say, and what if the salt loses its savor? It's no good. Men cast it out and it's trodden upon in the streets. Can I interrupt you? Well, wait a minute. There's a problem because   salt doesn't lose its savor ever.   Right? You can dissolve it,  

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Can But it it still has its saver. Oh, alright. Sorry. Sorry. Can we Go ahead. Can we stop and put a song on a minute before we get into this? Because the others are saying that the sound is awful, and I just wanna make sure that this is right. So I'm just gonna hit   quick song, everybody,   and that we're just gonna try and figure this out a second.   Right. Bear with, and I'm gonna shout to the lovely Darren.  

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I was dreaming   in my dreaming   well of an aspect   right and fair.   And my sleeping,   it was broken,   but my dream,   it lingered near  

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Believe  

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it.   For aspects,   And the armies   ceased advancing   because the people   had their ear.   And the  

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And I'm back,   and I'm hoping this is sorted. You guys say something and see if you're still getting Hello?  

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Yeah. I don't know.   Maleficus sounds good.  

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Everybody sounding good?   Yeah. Hooray. Thanks, Darren.   It's been messing around with me last night. Right. Darren, you're amazing. It is amazing. This whole I do I do apologize. One week next week will be the week that I get it   right. All of this new loop back in this new gear I've got. Ugh. Anyway,   I clicked on something that I shouldn't have done, and he's explained to me what's just happened. So right. Misha, go back to the start,   and let's I'm Sure.  

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So sorry. Amisha, I have to say, I   I I I   having heard a little bit of what you've just said,   surely nonsense.   Surely nonsense.   Gunpowder was invented in China, wasn't it, in the East?   Yeah. These these materials   will burn rapidly and explode as a prepared Chinese monks discovered the technology in the ninth century,   surely.  

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Right.   Right. That's that's the mainstream story, and it turns out that that's part of the cover   up because they they don't want to admit   basically, we've been told that we're constantly progressing. Things are getting better all the time. No. No. We're in a cycle. We're in a cyclical loop of   of, of, yes, improvement and progress followed by decay and and collapse.   And so, yeah,   potassium nitrate.   I mean, the the key ingredient, if you don't know how to get it from the Earth's atmosphere where it comprises   70%.  

You're you're breathing mostly potassium nitrate right now. Well, nitrogen.   The the key ingredient for making it other than that for which you need industry,   is feces.   That's it. So tell me a time when there wasn't a lot of that.   Now, of course, if you don't know what to do with it,   then, yeah, you could say some primitive people might not have understood, but   most primitive people who grow food understand that you put composted feces   on your garden or your orchard or your crop.   And that brings us to Luke   of the three   New Testament gospel writers who who quote that famous phrase from Jesus Christ. You are the salt of the earth.  

I'll just say quickly, if you put salt in earth, that's devastating. That's a catastrophe, and and there are instances of that throughout the bible where you would conquer some people like, Gideon's   son does after he murders all of his brothers to seize the throne,   and you salt the earth.   You destroy it. You make it infertile for generations.   So why would Jesus say you're the salt of the earth? Well, he didn't.   He said, you're the salt Peter of the earth. But in those days, actually, right up until medieval times,   the terms were interchangeable.  

Salt there were many types of salt,   including, by the way, baking soda   and sodium bicarbonate,   which they used to make mummies in Egypt,   and that was called salt.   They were also called niter, which is where you get the term nitrogen.   So there was there was confusion,   but it was all by design,   Maleficus.   The confusion, if you are an adept,   if if you were a high priest, in other words, you knew   that basically the three different types of salt,   common salt or table salt,   baking soda,   and then of course, saltpeter   and and you knew you knew which was which and how to procure them.  

So, yeah, that that's all the cover up. So we'll get into that. It not only did Jesus know, of course,   the difference between these different types of salt, and they were just called salt. Right? There there was no other term he could have used to say, you are the salt of the earth. They didn't have the term saltpeter yet. They didn't have the term, you know, potassium nitrate that doesn't come out until the   sixteenth century AD. So, yeah, he calls it salt because that's what everyone called it then.   Okay, but in Luke,   and yeah, so here we are as you as you were were like eight centuries before when they say the monks   discovered it in China.  

In Luke,   Jesus doesn't just say you're the salt of the earth,   but if the salt loses its savor, wherewith can it be salted?   And and people go, well, I guess he's being metaphorical because I as I said earlier, I don't know if you caught this. I'm sorry if you had bad sound but   salt never loses its savor.   Never.   There's people who think Lot's wife, the pillar of salt is still   there in the desert somewhere   and sure, it'll eventually dissolve if it hasn't already but it's still salt. It never loses its savor   because salt,   salt goes down, to use layman's terms, whereas saltpeter   goes up. It evaporates.  

So it does lose its savor. Let's say you have a bag bag of fertilizer in your garage and you leave it open. It'll probably be okay until the following year, but eventually,   the nitrogen's gonna evaporate out of that bag of granular fertilizer. Same for your liquid fertilizers that contain nitrates.   So,   yeah, salt Peter does evaporate. So that brings us to Luke and he's and he doesn't just say, you're the salt of the earth like the other two guys, Mark and and Matthew.   And he doesn't just say, and if the salt loses its savor, wherewith can it be salted? He adds,   if it does lose its savor,   it's no longer good for the land or the dunghill.  

And   you would never put salt on the land.   You'd never put it in a dunghill.   Now some people say they use salt to kill weeds.   Well well, sure. I mean, you could use a blowtorch. It'll kill everything. Right?   Like like I already mentioned, salting the fields all throughout the old testament   is is basically like, laying waste after you've defeated people. And and and this went on throughout history in Europe. I think Charlemagne did that.   In any case, the Romans would do that as punishment   after they defeated people.   So so, yeah, he's he can't be talking about   common salt. It's salt Peter.  

So so that's where, that that was the break between my my book. Is it organic? I I touched upon this,   stemmed back   to my, my studies, getting my bachelor's degree in history,   the history of nitrogen.   But, see, I only went back to the fifteenth, sixteenth, and seventeenth centuries.   I didn't understand that that's what Jesus was talking about   in the first century. That that he was already talking about Saul Peter. He had to be.   So   so, yeah, that that that covers us from from today all the way back to, you know, thirty AD.   And then if if you'd like, we'll we'll get into the Old Testament   because remember,   there is no old and new testament. There is only one testament of god. God is never changing,   right?  

He's the same yesterday   as today, as he will be tomorrow.   He's the alpha and omega. He always was and always will be. There is no change. It was the Romans who came up with this idea of a New Testament   and then the Roman Catholic Church subsequent to that came up with this idea that there was really two gods. Okay?   And they don't really say this openly,   but there was a God of the Old Testament   who was ruthless   and cruel,   and then the kind loving God   of Jesus in the New Testament who's forgiving and no. No. No. God is the same. And so if we go back to the 10 commandments,   it's right in between, I think, the third and the second and third commandments.  

God says,   I I show, mercy to all those who obey unto my commands.   And that's exactly what Jesus would say. He he in the New Testament, people think,   oh, you just have to believe. No. No. No. He said to the Jews who believed on him,   now obey me.   Right?   And,   and the truth will set you free. That's where that phrase famous phrase comes from. Right?   You will know the truth and the truth will set you free. Well, just before that, he says, to the Jews who believed on him, sure, they believed.   In fact, I say, that's why they killed him because they knew who he was and they hated him and they hate god.   Right? It's not this misunderstanding   that we're told about. And in any case, when Jesus said,   great. You believe? Great. Now, obey.  

He's reiterating   exactly what god said between the second and third commandments.   I show mercy to all those who will obey unto my commands. Now what what that means is,   you you can assume   that god is talking about someone who has broken   one or more of his commands.   Otherwise, why would he say it? Right? If you're already in perfect sync with the 10 commandments, there's no need to say that. And there are examples of that in the Old Testament like Enoch.   And and and arguably,   Elijah, and of course, Jesus Christ in the so called New Testament.   They were all perfect. They they all perfectly fulfilled the law.  

So, god between the second and third command. It's not one of his commands. He just throws it in and he says, I will show mercy to all those who obey unto my commands which means to return to obedience   of the 10 commandments. So, yeah, nothing nothing changed. Nothing ever changed. You don't have to wait till the New Testament to get grace and and so what the Catholics did, the Romans is they played a little trick because the Old Testaments in Hebrew and the New Testaments in Greek and when they translated to Latin, they divided   forgiveness into two.  

In the Old Testament, it's mercy   and in the New Testament, it's grace. Well, they're the same thing, okay? We all mess up   but unless you blaspheme god which is the only unforgivable   command,   you're you're going to be fine. God's going to show you grace or mercy. He's going to forgive you. You just return to obedience   and sin no more as as we again   read in both the old and the new. So, yeah. Nothing changed. So, if nothing changed,   back to the sort of standard view of   you are the salt of the earth. Why would Jesus suddenly   take   tragedy   and catastrophe of the Old Testament   and reformulate it as like a a a loose metaphor to describe his followers? Well, he wouldn't and he didn't.  

He's he's talking about salt Peter. Salt, unless it's to salt food,   is a catastrophe.   It's disaster.   And so that's maintained   throughout   the so called old and new testaments.  

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Yeah. I mean, I I can honestly say, you know, as the gardener,   that is my chosen profession.   You you if you put salt on anything,   you know, you you are you're destroying.  

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That's why I'm saying that we have salts and things when we got infections, don't we, to kill the infections   and   stuff like that? Yeah.  

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To kill the bacteria, to kill the good and the bad bacteria.   You you you use salt. That's why all chefs I spent many years as a chef. That's why when you,   you know, when you wash all the salad and all that kind of thing before it goes on the plate, you wash it in   mildly salted water because it will kill off   anything that's on the the lettuce leaves or the or, you know, you know, whatever it is you're washing.   So,   yes, salt literally   destroys   good or bad bacteria.  

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Yep.   And the fertile crescent of Mesopotamia where they think agriculture began. Of course, agriculture, as I said, there's been a cycle in history.   It it began.   Civilizations   rose and fell and rose and fell. And,   let's just say the Earth is definitely more than 6,000 years old. And in any case,   the fertile crescent of Mesopotamia,   they irrigated   so much, and we have this problem today with modern farming. If you irrigate too much, it doesn't matter how   how pure you think your water   is. Sooner or later, there,   there's salt in it. And   whether it takes ten years or fifty years, sooner or later, that salt accumulates.  

Because, again,   it never loses its savor.   And so they have problems where they have over irrigated. And basically in the fertile crescent,   agricultural historians agree, they had to switch from wheat to barley. Barley is more resilient   to to that slight level of salinity in the soil.   But, yeah, it's,   it's so so you can you can achieve the disaster of salt   on purpose, like to salt   the land of your enemies, or or by accident over time, by over irrigation.   And then the only solution is either to bring in more soil. By the way, they they do that in California in the what's called the the salad belt bowl of California.   They literally just bring in more soil, like, basically sand. They don't because they're they're not even growing in real soil anymore. It's all chemicals. In any case, yeah. The other solution is to,   leave the land fallow for a while.  

That salt, as I say, it goes down instead of up. It'll never evaporate, but it'll go down to where your your surface three or four inches,   are once again   desalinated   on their own. But that'll be expensive, right, to just leave land fallow for five or more years. There's no profit. There's no profit. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And and interestingly,  

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you say the top two or three inches. Most just for listeners that aren't aware, most   most of the world functions on two inches of topsoil.   Quite literally, most of the most of the plant life in the world functions   because of the two inches of topsoil.   All the soil underneath that what you would call the subsoil or or in Cornwall, largely clay,   it's it's literally just trace elements that the roots burrow down and and and achieve. Most of the   most of the nutrients are in the in the first top most of the world functions on the top two inches of the topsoil. So Yes.  

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And not only for food, but they say the rainforest itself is actually, like, maybe four inches deep. It's beneath that is sand. So it's really tragic when they, they'll clear cut rainforest   to create pasture   so they can have cheap beef.   They don't do that as much anymore,   down in Argentina,   Paraguay, Brazil, but that used to be standard.   They were kinda copying what the, Aztecs and Mayans did. You you just you just   slash and burn   hundreds of acres of forest. And, yeah, you'll have beautiful green grass for a few years, but then it it turns  

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it turns to desert. And the best thing you can So I was just gonna say, on a side topic, haven't they just done that in order to create a road to the new   to to the new Earth Summit, to the new   I heard about that. Yes. Oh, it just beggars belief. So so we're, you know, we're about to have another   summit regarding climate change, etcetera, etcetera. And and and the location,   is that far away, obviously, that they've had to cut a big new road through the rainforest   so they can have the meeting. Can you believe? It's just you know, it's it just makes us believe. It does. Yeah. Sorry. I've taken it slightly off topic there, Misha. Sorry. But no. You're right. It's the top few inches.  

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If you own a farm, that's all you own. You don't own any mineral rights below that.   So   only, homesteaders   got mineral rights, and those evolved in those are all gone now. So the government owns everything   that's deeper than, as you say, two or three inches.   And if you if you deep till your land, the government doesn't really care, but you're still your your your next crop is only gonna grow in that top top layer.   And, so, yeah, salt salt is catastrophe. And,   and so if you'd like, we could we could we could talk more about the the New Testament, but that that's that's pretty much it except I I will tie this in with it for the New Testament   before moving to the old. What does Jesus tell his disciples on the night of his arrest? He says,   whoever doesn't have a sword,   sell your basically, sell your clothes.  

Sell your clothes and get one.   And of course, you know, Christians, they wanna be nice except when it comes to helping Israel kill Palestinians.   Christian Zionist in America, they they interpret that just like the the salt thing. They they wanna   they wanna downplay it. And they say, well, no. He he just meant,   you you might need a knife, you know, for something. But but the word   in Greek is sword.   Now, here's where,   Luke gets it wrong.   That that again is recorded in more than just one of the gospels.   Luke Luke says that the reason   Jesus told his disciples to get swords is because he had to fulfill Isaiah. The prophecy of Isaiah was that the Messiah   would be counted amongst the criminals.  

He would be found to be standing   sort of like between   the the criminals.   So, he they say and Luke Luke sort of is the the the reason for this. Remember, they're they're men. So, so they're they're going from memory. They don't they're not right. They're not taking notes while Jesus is talking. They they write all these things down later.   Luke says, he told his disciples this   because he had to fulfill   the prophecy of Isaiah that he would be counted amongst the the criminals.   Well, when is Jesus   counted? When is he when can we literally see him between criminals? It's on the cross.   Yeah. And all the other gospel writers get that right.  

Now, you'll you'll be kicked out of seminary school. You'll be kicked out of your church for saying Luke got something wrong.   Well, he he again, he's a man. And no. If if Jesus had told his disciples to get swords,   just so it would look like he was standing amongst   bad guys. Well, that that would mean he was staging the night of his arrest.   But he already knows he's gonna be nailed to a cross the following day,   and he he knows he's gonna be between two two thieves.   He he will be seen literally between them on the cross, and that's that's the, you see that on bumper stickers and t shirts. It's always three crosses, isn't it? You you'll wear a cross around your neck shirt. But whenever it's a a depiction of that that day, it's always the three crosses.   And and that's why, by the way, the the Orthodox cross   has,   the, at the top, there's that angled, there's the cross Jesus was on, and then there's the thing his feet were nailed to, the Orthodox include that. And then at the very, very top, they include the plaque that,   that Pilate nailed on, the king of the Jews, which he wasn't. He was king of the Israelites, but Pilate didn't know that because he was Roman. In any case but they include that angle. You've probably seen that on the Orthodox cross. Yeah. Well, why is that? Because   the up upward part of that angle is for the good, the penitent thief who realizes, he says, we're getting what we deserve   and Jesus says to him, you'll be with me in heaven today because you you   confessed.  

Then, on the the downward side is the bad thief. You say, oh, what? If he's, if he's the lord, why doesn't he help us? You know, and yeah. So, that's why the Orthodox include that on the cross but in any case, yeah, Jesus did not tell his disciples to get swords   just to make it look like he was gonna be counted amongst the,   the bad guys. No. He he's going to be nailed to a cross between the bad guys and that fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah. I think it's fifty three twelve. Isaiah fifty three twelve.   But the point is, he said to get swords,   right?  

And there's there's no way around that. That they're gonna have to defend themselves. And when you read that passage in Luke, he gets all this right.   He says, when you were with me, did you need anything?   Sometimes he would tell them literally to go out without anything. Say, just take your staff.   Take no food.   Right?   Yeah. Because why? Because god's gonna provide everything for them. And so he says that on this night   when he already knows he's gonna be arrested. He said, when you were with me, did you did you want for anything? And they say, no, lord. Nothing. Everything. Wherever we went, it was just like food just came up. People brought us food, and they would pick figs out of trees. It's god always provided for them, and he says, but   the word but is the key. Now   whoever doesn't have a sword, sell your clothes basically and get one. So I just tie that in in the New Testament   to to, suggest,   Jesus knew what was coming. He knew what was coming for him, but he also knows what's coming for his disciples. They're all gonna be murdered except for John.  

He's the only one who dies a natural death. And the longer they can defend themselves, the more they can spread the gospel.   And so he tells them to get swords. Now that ties in because,   salt Peter you're the salt of the earth. You're the salt Peter of the earth.   It's not only a fertilizer, but as we're gonna get into the Old Testament now, if you'd like, it's it's the key ingredient in gunpowder, and Jesus knew that, as surely as he knew all of what we call the old testament.  

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So,   can you can you shed any light on,   as to how much   how much gunpowder was actually used in that era?  

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Well,   in the we if we turn to, Flavius Josephus   wait a sec. There we go.   Flavius Josephus   confirms this   on a number of ways in seventy AD.   Now, the Bible is all written by them,   right? Some people say, well,   if if the destruction of the temple was a fulfillment, remember Jesus says, not one stone will be left upon another   And sure enough, in seventy AD, not one day. They tore it down. The Romans didn't just tear down the temple and burn the city. They tore up the foundation   stones,   and this was predicted back in the Old Testament. There is no Old Testament, but   that a plow would be dragged across the land where Jerusalem once stood.  

And sure now that's what the Romans did. They didn't just defeat the the Jewish Pharisees   and the uh-uh zealots,   the Jewish zealots.   They didn't just defeat them. They they tore the whole thing down and by the way, the the Wailing Wall where all the politicians go. Well, the reason that still stands is because that was part of the Roman fort   that they built next to the temple so they could keep an eye on the Jews. And then they got fed up in seventy AD, and the   the Flavian,   dynasty,   the, they they they got fed up and destroyed the temple and everything. So in any case, yeah, Jesus had predicted the destruction of the temple. And some people say, well, then why isn't it in the Bible? Well, that that's how we that's that's our how we can establish the timeline.   Every word of the Bible, the latest work being from John, not his gospel, but his, you know, first John, second John, third John that appear in the epistles.  

Those are all written, signed, sealed, and delivered before seventy AD, and that's why no one mentions the destruction of the temple, but we turn to Flavius Josephus,   And, yes,   there are,   clues, and I'll just mention one,   and and we're gonna talk about this in regards to Joshua   and the destruction of Jericho.   So he describes in Flavius Josephus how the the Jewish zealots   the the Romans bring siege engines right up to the walls of Jerusalem.   Right?   And so what the Jewish zealots do is they dig, they tunnel under.   They start digging a tunnel inside their own walls. They go right under their own walls and go up underneath the siege engine   so they can undermine it, and it'll collapse.  

Okay.   Now the only way to do that is with explosives.   If you send in they're they're called sappers. I'm sure sure you guys have you ever heard that term, sappers? No. We still have sappers today.   They're they're the demolition guys.   And   sappers, the term used to literally just mean people who tunneled, and they would tunnel under the enemy. We we that occurred in World War one. The the I think the longest sapping mission was, like, a half a mile.   Yeah.   The British   sap a half a mile. Tunneling what that land. Yep. And then you plant explosives.   Now, there's no other way to do   it unless you can convince your sappers to go on a suicide mission.  

If you just dig under   the the enemy, whatever it is, the enemy's walls, but in this case, the Roman siege engine,   and you just keep digging until it collapses, you're dead.   And and it might not collapse that well either. I mean, how big a hole are humans gonna dig? When they sap, they're just digging a tunnel just big enough for them to crawl through, and then they'll dig a bigger cavern underneath whatever it is they wanna bring down.   You need explosives for for two reasons because, again, it would be a suicide mission. Some people some historians   have said, well, no. They would they would bring wood in,   and they would prop up the hole they dug with the wood and then set fire to it. What what's gonna happen to a fire you you light underground?  



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It's gonna run out of oxygen. Of course it is. Exactly.  

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And what does saltpeter   bring?   Oxygen.   Yeah.   It's self oxygenating.   That's what the the letters a t and e mean on nitrate, potassium nitrate. And we also use now ammonium nitrate as you're probably aware of being a a gardener.   But it the the key, it doesn't matter what's there's also, I think, a chlorine nitrate. It doesn't matter. It's the nitrogen   that is no longer in its elemental form. It's in an oxygenated form. It's self oxygenating.   And that's why you can light a stick of dynamite and throw it into a lake, and it'll sink and explode underwater. It Yeah. You you you can't and that's by the way, why fishing. Sorry. What? Fishing.   Yes. Yeah. Yeah.  

Yeah. Dynamite fishing. And you you can't extinguish it. And by the way, we we we could get into that. That's also what Greek fire was when the Greeks and then later the Romans,   fought off the Persians in Constantinople   for centuries.  

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So just just to touch on what you said, before we get into that, just to touch on what you said, the Battle of the Somme   in in which my grandfather   commanded   was kicked off.   When was it? I've just I've got it up here.   03:10AM,   Welsh sappers Welsh and I believe Cornish sappers   burrowed,   mined underneath the German positions,   so thought,   and detonated one of the largest mines   ever ever exploded on World War one, and that kicked off the Battle of the Somme.   Ah.   All it actually really did was cause an incredibly huge crater that the Germans then occupied and used as a defensive   Oh, wow. But   Yeah.  

So, nevertheless,   as you say, these sappers, these miners, these these people were brought in   in order to lay explosives under the German position. So this is you know, back in those days, I guess they thought it might have been a new thing, but definitely as from what you're saying, it definitely wasn't.  

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Yeah. So here we are in the first century. We're gonna go older, but we're 70   AD.   And Josephus,   Flavius Josephus, remember, he's Jewish,   and and he ends up working for the Romans.   And, so my my point being, he has no,   he has no affinity for Christians. I mean, he never became a Christian. A lot of Romans did. Even then, they didn't have to wait for the empire itself to become so called Christian in 03/25,   '2 hundred and some years later. But in any case, yeah.   I say that because   Flavius Joseph see, as as Christians,   we would have wished that,   that everyone would become a Christian. But as historians,   it's   it's it's someone like Flavius Josephus who who scoffs at Christianity because he's a died in the old Jew   and he hates   Jesus. Well, then, that he sort of makes some objective   if you will. Right? Because he has he has no horse in the race. He's not rooting for the Christians. But in any case, I I sort of threw that in. It doesn't really bear on this this issue where he Flavius Josephus discusses   the the Jewish zealots, the rebels,   undermining   Roman siege engines.  

He doesn't go into detail. Why?   Flavius Josephus is a an academic historian. He's trilingual,   Hebrew, Latin, and Greek, probably Aramaic too, quadrilingual,   intelligent guy.   He's also a Pharisee, a priest.   There's one more thing. He's a general.   Right. A general is never gonna reveal the whole   secret.   Exactly. Right? I mean, Winston Churchill's diaries are still in the some of them are still in the archives. The Bletchley   the Bletchley,   decrypts,   only 60% of them have been released. The other 30 some percent are still in,   they're they're still   held as top secret.  

There's a good reason for that, by the way, and, we won't get into that. But, yeah,   he's not gonna tell you how they did it. You don't need to know because you will not undermine anything unless you have explosives,   unless you can convince your guys to go on a suicide mission.  

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Right? And maybe because to put that into perspective, they'd have to dig upwards towards the siege engine and everything would collapse upon them. They would die. You're not gonna convince anyone to do that. No. And and not just die. They're gonna die horribly. They're gonna  

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suffocate.  

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

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And and and and,   if you dig a hole under something,   the dirt will cave in and make a cone shape.   It doesn't cave straight down,   but if you use explosives   in the it doesn't matter how big the hole is.   The explosives will bring down a siege engine. They'll bring down a castle wall. It has to be explosives, which again are self oxygenating. So you don't have to worry about the fact that there's no oxygen down there. Yeah. So yeah. You're right. Yeah. Not only would it be a suicide mission,   maybe some especially these Jewish zealots will be more than willing to die,   but not that way. That'd be horrible. So so, yeah, that that brings us to the first of our three examples from the Old Testament. But, yes, to answer your question,   there's nothing else in the New Testament   except Jesus' words, you are the salt of the earth.  

If the salt loses its savor,   which common salt cannot do ever,   how will it be salted?   It is no good.   It is no longer good for the land or the dunghill,   and that that has to be saltpeter. By by the way, so you not only put, as you know,   Malethicus,   you put   nitrates on soil. Right?   Do do you know why they would put nitrates on a compost pile?   Because   it's the same as when you make sourdough bread or yogurt.   You're inoculating   the dung pile with   saltpeter you have from the previous batch and that hastens   the production of more saltpeter,   more nitrogen fertilizer in the dung pile.  

And that that's a tenet of organic farming,   to inoculate your dung pile.   It it's it's not enough just to,   put stuff out like like feces and stuff,   and let it just sit there. You have to turn the pile so it gets oxygen into it,   but even better if you inoculate,   and as I say, that's how you make yogurt.   Right? You you take a bit of the bacteria,   and and that's how salt Peter is made. It's a bacterial process of decomposition of the feces   and whatever else you threw into the dung pile.   And, yeah, that bacterial growth will be   heightened   if you inoculate so that's why Jesus says that salt which isn't salt is no longer good for the land   or the dunghill   and so yeah. Clarify  

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you we've already as we've already said salt is no like, table salt, quote, unquote, is no good for the land anyway. So Right. It would be a strange analogy to make.  

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Yeah. And that's only of the three in Luke. Now the Romans messed with everything.   It's interesting if you read the early church fathers.   Some of them are using what appear to be original versions of the gospels and such and they're they're slightly different. Now, I haven't found   any of the other gospel writers saying what Luke did, but it's enough that Luke said it.   Not just that,   you're the salt of the earth,   and if the salt loses its savor, it's no good. Men throw it out, and they they walk on it on the street. But Luke adds that bit about the land and the dunghill.   So that's all we need. That to to sort of as you will if you will throw a wrench in the works of the sort of standard Catholic,   Protestant,   evangelical view that that Jesus was referring to salt. You're the salt of the earth, you know, like, when you   when you salt your dinner, and it's it's such a lame metaphor once you've heard the alternative. I mean, I grew up with it. I just I always believe that.  



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And and again It's a phrase that I use all the time. Oh, mate. He's salt of the earth. You know? He's one of those salt of the earth guys. Everyone uses that.   Yeah.  

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Without energy He's worth his salt.  

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He's worth his salt. Yeah. The guy is worth his salt. Yeah. And that again is is saltpeter because that's what your your,  

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your your muscle tissue is made up out of that. So we eat meat. It's muscle tissue.   And the the the main ingredient in that is not not without nitrogen, you don't have protein.   So you got these,   you know, these vegetarians and vegans. And by the way, Cain was a vegetarian,   whereas Abel and then later Seth, they're they're eating meat. Yeah. You only get meat. You only get good red meat if you have,   nitrogen.  

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And and so yeah. It's that's that's what he really meant when he said you're the salt of the earth or or if we say someone is worth their salt, it's their salt heat. In and of itself is fascinating because it's Shelley, isn't it? That's a phrase. That's why I was just quiet because I'm just getting my head around it. Well, I'm like, crikey. I wasn't I knew he was gonna have a a right good chat, but, I wasn't expecting this.   You've flown me away, Misha. I've never really thought about salt in that context. You know, just reading the little,   article that you did about the gunpowder, I was like, wow. Blow me away.  



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Literally. Oh, you you read that from, from Culture Wars magazine?   Yes. Yeah. I think Good. I think it was excellent. To me. Yeah.   Now what you'll get   if you go and talk to people about this is here here's what you'll get, Shelley. Well, I never heard that before.   So?   So what? You want you want me to just talk to you about things you already heard about? That's what I say to people. Because I I get that a lot.   We used to we've gone to a number of churches here in Texas,   and you just can't talk to these people.   I I always say the   the the sign of a cult is that the more absurd   something is that they're they're they're commanded to believe,   the more absurd it is, the more it shows your faith if you go along with it.  

That's how it works.   That that if something is really boring and dull, but you sit through it for, you know, an hour,   that that shows you're, boy, you're   you're a real Christian.   Yeah.   And and, yeah, again, that's the hallmark of a a cult,   as as happened with, have you ever heard of Simon?   No. He led the Jewish revolt   in the second century after the Romans destroyed the temple, and the criteria to join his zealots,   was to cut your little finger off.   Yeah. And so that's a cult. Right? Because the crazier it is, the more it shows your fealty   or faith. And the the you maybe have heard of the triads   in China. They used to deal opium.  

That that was the criteria to move up the ranks. You had to cut your own finger off. And so, yeah, the the crazier the belief, the harder it is to understand, but you just say, okay. I'll I'll go along with that.   Well, that that's how modern   churches operate now.   They're they're they're very fond of promulgating the idea of faith. Faith alone. Not by works.   Just faith.   Not by works, lest any man should boast. Elsewhere in the Bible, it says, no, no, no, you should boast.   If you have done good works for god and you succeed, you should boast, you should trumpet it from the rooftop. So that kinda contradicts that that phrase that it comes from Paul. And,   you know, let let's be nice to Paul. He he didn't he didn't literally mean exactly the way the churches interpret it. But the churches today interpret it.  

Not by works, only by faith.   And what's that faith?   All you have to believe is that Jesus,   was the son of God. He was born of a virgin,   and he was crucified,   buried for three days, and rose again.   That's it.   That's all you have to believe. If you believe that, that he died for your sins and rose on the third day, you're saved.   Like hell.   Jesus says, I came not to change the law.   Right? The law stands until the mountains wash into the sea. Not one jot or tittle will change. And then the evangelicals   say the the Catholics don't they're not as bad on this, but the evangelicals here in America,   they say, well well, yeah, he said that when he was alive, but then when he died on the cross, he fulfilled   the law.  

Well, I fulfill the law every time I drive my kids to school, I obey the law. And just because I fulfilled it, doesn't it mean I I don't have to follow it again.   You have to keep fulfilling it forever and ever and ever until you die.   So anyway,   the the the church has really   gone off the rails, and and that's not even to to get into this issue of salt. I mean, they they they've just got this whole   cult going of faith and faith alone and and, it's it's what, Dietrich Bonhoeffer,   the the German pastor in World War two.   And by the way, he wasn't anti Hitler. That that's a lie. But anyway, Dietrich Bonhoeffer calls that easy believism   or cheap grace.  



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Yeah. Well, I mean,   what faith alone and no works   would would imply that by their fruits shall ye know them. It doesn't mean anything.  

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Well, then what they say is, yeah. Yeah. But once you have faith, you'll you won't be able to help yourself,   James. You'll just start doing great works.   But if you set out trying to do great works, that's an abomination   to god. And we see that in Isaiah,   where he says,   God is mad at the Israelites because they've they've been disobedient.   And he God says, I don't care about your good works. I spew them out of my mouth as filthy rags.   So the evangelicals take that now to mean, yeah, like, if you set out to do good works,   god will just spit them out as filthy rags. No. No. No. No. That's if you have   already   disobeyed god and you think, well, I'll make up for it. I I cheated on my wife but I'm gonna go down to the soup kitchen tonight.  

Right? And I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna make up for it. Yes. God will spew out that good work as a filthy rag. And by the way, the word rag means   women's   sanitary napkin. A lot of people like to point that out in the ancient Hebrew.   But, yeah, it's only because god was mad at the Israelites. I mean, he sent them into captivity twice. Right?   So he he can get pretty mad. That doesn't mean he's he's gonna do that to you. Oh, he might though. I mean, he he's god. But, yeah, this idea that   they they sort of cherry pick from the Old Testament and and then tie that into the new. But Jesus never said that. He said, again, as I said earlier, oh, great. You believe? Good. Now, obey me. And then his brother, oh, sorry, John, not his brother, James is   his brother. His brother reiterates that in one of his epistles. It's a great line. He says, oh, you believe?  

Great. He's being sarcastic.   He says, oh, you believe?   Well, good for you.   So do the demons.   And they they shake with fear.   Remember,   why did they kill Jesus?   Because they knew he was the son of God.   They believed.   Yeah. Their their found the the Jews who shouted crucify him, their understanding   was just as solid as the 12 apostles.   They all knew what they were doing. There was no misunderstanding.   They they say, oh, they were waiting for a different kind of messiah. It doesn't say that anywhere   anywhere in the   Bible. It and and in fact, in the Old Testament, it predicts he'll be a suffering servant, and and as I said in Isaiah, it says he'll be counted amongst the, transgressors. That's the actual line. He'll be counted amongst the transgressors. And sure enough, he was. There he was nailed to a cross between two two thieves. So so no. No. No. The the Jews knew all this. The the Pharisees, the Sadducees, they all knew this. Only   only Nicodemus,   who meets with Jesus at night, who's a Jew he's a Jewish, I think he's with the Sanhedrin, which is a subset of the Pharisees.  

And then later, Joseph of Arimathea, the wealthy Jew who buries Jesus in his newly   chiseled out tomb.   No one had ever been in it yet. It was a new tomb.   Those are the only two Jews we know   of who,   who were saved, who came to the light of Jesus.   I'm sure there was others and probably a lot of pagans as well, but,   yeah. No. The the Jews, there was no misunderstanding.   It doesn't say that anywhere, but but imagine that for a second, if you will, this this 2,000 year old religion, and we're, to this day, supposed to believe, well, yeah. The Jews, they yelled crucify him because they they didn't know who he was.   Like hell.  

They knew exact that's why they killed him because they hate God. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway Anyway It's it's an interesting concept. That's a good place to stop for a quick music break.  

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And,   oh, I'll tell you what. I'm gonna have to replay this tomorrow. It's fascinating. It's so much like blah blah blah blah. I feel like I'm in a science lesson, an RE lesson, it's all coming together.   Great stuff. Right. We will be back in a few minutes, people, so don't go away.   And the music doesn't wanna play.   Perhaps I'll just sing for a couple of minutes for everybody.   Bear with me. Bear with me.   Apparently, we were still having a little bit of an echo.   And,   yes. Thank goodness for Darren. I'm gonna call poor Darren down again to see what's happened now.   Can you come here, please?  

Crikey. Janelle will be losing listeners by the dozen. I do apologize. It's not very good, is it? If you wanna tune in, it's,   well, it's off putting. Of course it is. And I've got this new gear. I had no idea, basically.   Sometimes I think, why am I doing this? The whole technical side is just,   too much for me.   Anyway,   bear with me. Sing, Shelly, sing, says Patrick.   What shall I sing?   The hills are alive with the sound of music.   Now I need a song to play   because I would like to quickly   run to the toilet.   No music's playing now. The problem is solved, but now the music   won't play. It's alright. I'm just talking to my Darren, the lovely Darren. There's no sound coming.  

Oh, for crying out loud, it's me again. Right. Starting it again. Sorry, Darren.   Right.   Here we go.   And I'm pressing play.   Enjoy this beautiful song. I play it every day.  

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The changing  

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of sunlight  

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to moonlight,  

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reflections   of my   I'm changing,   arranging.  

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And that was Reflections of My Life by Marmalade. Love it. That is just, like, my favorite song of all time. Right. We're back. Let's get everybody   back in the room, so to speak.   Let's unmute everybody.   Are you there, Maleficas?  

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I am there.   You I think, Misha, you have to unmute yourself, I believe. There he is. There we go. Welcome back. Right. For part two, everybody,  

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We are with, wonderful   Misha, who's talking about   salt and organic farming and   Christian stuff, the bible. It's going everywhere here. It's not what I expected at all. So   no. It's great stuff. Great.  

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Misha is a font of knowledge. I see so. Yeah.   Yeah. Absolutely.   There's never a dull moment with Misha in the room. It has to be said.  

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I I just hope I'm I'm not  

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dominating the conversation. If just interrupt me. No. I just wanna listen. That's why I'm quiet. Alright. It's all new to me, and I've just taken it in as much as I can. I'll have to replay because this has just blown my mind. So, yeah, where do you want to pick up from?  

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So so the the   the the kernel of truth in mainstream history   is probably   that they they they didn't figure out how to make canon   until the medieval times, ninth, tenth, eleventh century.   There's a example of the Ming dynasty in China. This is why, as   Malefic has said, sort of the mainstream ideas, well, the Chinese were the first to discover gunpowder.   And what they did, they were fighting off the mongrels from the North.   They would use   bamboo,   and it was a single use gun because as it fired the projectile out, it would shatter the bamboo. So they had, like, a a whole stack of them, like like like you would arrows in a quiver. And they'd pull them out. They were preloaded,   and they had a cord probably lit or or something to make a spark with, and they would fire these at the invaders.  

So, yeah, they probably didn't figure out how to make cannons   or what we would call, you know, guns,   until they they had the metallurgy. And, yeah, that's that's probably around the time of   when mainstream history said gunpowder was discovered.   But, no, it was used, as we just discovered, Flavius Josephus.   He describes the the Jewish   zealots undermining Roman siege engines.   Also, I should mention,   he describes   once Jerusalem has been surrounded   and by the way, Jesus said, once you see the Romans approaching, well, the armies, he says,   get out.  

But his his people, the lost sheep of the house of Israel, they were already gone. Right? They were gone back in '37, '30 '8, '30 '9, '40, '40 '1. They they were leaving   to do what? To to carry the gospel out to the world. None of them were left. None of his lost sheep were left. All we're left with in Jerusalem   is Jews.   And this is where the confusion arises. People think Jews are Israelites. Isn't that what they're the Christian Zionists think about the state of Israel? Oh, these are the   the Jews of the Bible who are the Israelite. No.   Israelites   are, descended from Jacob,   the the son of Isaac, the grandson of Abraham.  

Jews are descended from Esau,   who abandoned his family. That was Jacob's brother, his twin brother.   And, yeah, they're Edomites. But in any case, yeah, there's there's no lost sheep of the house of Israel left in Jerusalem by the time that the Romans are besieging it. So, anyway, during the siege, Flavius Josephus describes   some some Jews, and, yeah, they would have been Jews, not Israelites,   and they buy a sec a sextary   of pigeon dung.   Pigeon dung? Why would they buy that?   And some translations, instead of the word sextary, they say a pint. So it gives you a better idea of what this quantity was. Why would they buy that? And just before that, he describes how there's such a famine   that, someone paid some ungodly sum for,   a donkey's head.  

That's the worst meat of all. I I worked in the meat industry, and that's called cheek meat. That's the euphemism.   It's not just the cheeks. It's every it's the nose and the eyebrows, and you grind it all up, and that's how they make sausage. But in any case,   yeah, he describes how they paid, like, some ungodly sum of silver for   a donkey's head, an ass's head.   And so it shows you they're they're desperate here. They're they're running out of food. And then in the next line, he says, and then these other Jews went out, and they paid this ungodly sum for a a pint of pigeon dung.   And you read the commenters on this, and they're like, Well,   I think instead of pigeon dung, he's referring to a type of tree that was called the pigeon tree, and it had little seeds on it that you could eat. And that must be what they bought. No.  

They bought pigeon dung because there's only two sources for potassium nitrate, for all your nitrates. The Earth's atmosphere,   which is 70%   nitrogen,   and feces.   Now you'll also find, as we'll discuss when we get to Elijah and and Gideon,   you'll also find what are called geological   formations,   like rocks of Saul Peter, and Peter means rock. Right?   And,   well yeah. But that's just calcified   or maybe even petrified feces. It's always feces. And so they would find this in caves. Well, that's bat droppings, and that's called Guano. And then there's an island out in the Pacific where seagulls   stop and rest on their their their migration. They migrate thousands of miles, and they've been   crapping on this island for centuries.  

And that's where,   in the nineteenth century, that's where we got most of our nitrogen for gunpowder and for fertilizer because it would just accumulate. And it's a desert island, so it never washes away.   Yeah. If you hear that now that's called Kalish.   You have guano and caliche are recognized as natural forms of nitrogen,   and we don't use them anymore because we we figured out how to get nitrogen from the Earth's atmosphere.   And it's infinite   because   when something is done using it, like when a body decomposes,   where does the nitrogen go?  

Back up. It's a it's a gas. Yeah. And it's infinite, kinda like God,   kinda like your your face should be, as Jesus said. You're the salt of the earth. He he's referring to to nitrogen. So so in any case, yeah, why did these Jews buy a pint of pigeon dung? Well, because they're gonna make that explosive we were discussing earlier.   That that's the only reason they would buy dung. They're not gonna eat pigeon dung. And there's no like I said, these commenters, they try to some say it's coriander.   I don't know why coriander, but you're not gonna eat coriander.   You'll get sick.  

And so anyway, it's it's they're literally buying dung to make an explosive because they're gonna undermine,   the Roman siege engines. And, of course, the whole effort fails. And, thankfully,   Flavius Josephus is he's secreted out, and he ends up working for the Romans. And so a lot of what he writes confirms   the Gospels.   And, a lot of academics will say, Well, no, no. The Romans added that. They added stuff to Flavius Josephus. No. No. They wouldn't have had to because Flavius Josephus is not a Christian.   You see?  

They messed with what the   the actual apostles wrote. They edited things and,   moved things around, and we know that again from reading the early church fathers. But, no, they they wouldn't have had to edit Josephus because at no point was he trying to reinforce   the greatest story ever told, that of   the coming of the Son of God,   to to to to remind everyone remember, there's no New Testament.   To remind everyone of the   as James puts it,   of,   James says,   I bring you no New Testament but the one you had from the beginning.   And that's that's that's what they had. And and by the way, some people think, well, they didn't have the law until   Exodus when Moses got the law. No. No. No. What was the law? What was the first law that Adam and Eve broke?  

Not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And all 10 commandments   fit into that one   Because all sin begins with sex,   as we see with Jeffrey Epstein.   No joke. We could get into that, but, yeah, I'll just say you're probably not gonna murder someone, just wake up one day and rob a bank and shoot the guard unless you've already been   destroyed up here spiritually   by having illicit   fornication and sex and adultery and all that. And it just it destroys who you are. It destroys you. And then you'll do anything. You you'll become a a victim of the of of of Beelzebub. He'll he'll you'll become his servant.  

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So yeah. So there there was only one That's actually ever one lawsuit. That's actually a fantastic analogy using the Jeffrey Epstein and the honey trap thing because a lot of those people   and and let when I say a lot of those people, we still don't know who any of them are,   officially,   but, you know, that's one of the first ways to compromise people.   Yeah. Is is through their   it's through the the things that they do that they don't want people to know about, I e their sin.   Yep.   And, yeah, it just I just thought that was a great analogy. That's all just using the the Epstein thing. Yeah. Absolutely. People people modern day people will understand that.   Yeah. Because they they, you know, they realize it was a it was a honey trap in order to compromise people   so that they could be   coerced into doing things that they may not have necessarily have done had they not been compromised.  

Yeah. So yeah. Great great analogy. And to vote a certain way  

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in congress, yeah, they're all compromised, and it's all sex.   None of them are compromised because they   murdered their neighbor eleven years ago and no one no. No. None of that. It's all it's it's all sex. That's the that's the most power especially with men. That's the most powerful aphrodisiac.   So we have Monica Lewinsky.   Where's Monica Lewinsky in the Bible?   Oh, that's Esther.   And that's why Martin Luther   not Martin Luther King Junior, not that guy, the real Martin Luther, he wanted to he he was successful. He got the books of Maccabees removed from the Bible because those aren't Israelites.   Those were Jewish zealots in the second century BC.  

And they're the same zealots that the Romans are going to destroy in seventy AD. They're the descendants.   And that's why Jesus says, you're of your father, the devil. It's a it's a bloodline of liars and   cheats. So in any case, yeah, that's Monica Lewinsky is is Esther.   And another great example,   we're always told, oh, the Romans, they they hated the Christians. No. They didn't care about the Christians except for Nero.   Nero   is about a decade after the the the crucifixion, maybe fifteen years, and he's Nero is married to the most beautiful woman in the world.   But   the Jews, the bankers, they move in, and they swap out his wife for a Jewish   harlot named Poppaea.  

And   it's like clockwork.   First of all, he gets he has his first wife executed to make sure she's not trouble. This is how powerful   sex is to a man.   And Poppaea will do anything he wants just like Esther would do anything that king Cyrus wanted. Oh, sorry. Xerxes. King Xerxes.   In Esther's in the book of Esther, what happens at the end?   Well, they defeat the evil guy.   What was his name? Haman. I forget his name. But the the story is all upside down.   Haman was the good guy. Esther and her uncle Mordecai,   they're they're bad,   and they they, suborn the king   with sex. And then at the end of the book of Esther,   the Jews kill 75,000   Gentiles. Yay.  

Hip hip hooray.   That's what the stupid Christian Zionists think when they read the book of Esther. You can go to Branson, Missouri right now and pay a hundred bucks to see a a production of the book of Esther.   And, yeah, they make it all out. It's all just great.   Oh, wow. But that's what Monica Lewinsky was. And then the the death toll that occurred from her   having oral sex, as everyone knows, with president Bill Clinton, was the the bombing of Yugoslavia.   They dropped more bombs on Yugoslavia than Nixon dropped on Cambodia. It's just horrible. And those are Christians   that they did that. So so, yeah, that that's   that's the way of the world, if you will. Remember, if if you, if you love the world, you're an enemy of God. And   that's that's literally loving the world, isn't it? You love   carnal   carnal knowledge of of either the same sex or or the opposite sex, and then all manner of of a sin can occur thereafter. So yeah. Yeah. That that was the first that was the first command.  

Paul says   that Adam brought sin into the world because there was no law. Yeah. There was a law.   You'll get kicked out of church if you suggest Paul made a mistake like I did earlier suggesting Luke. Luke got that thing about the swords wrong. So, anyway, if if if you guys are okay,   we'll we'll we'd go back to Joshua now when the Israelites enter,   the land of Canaan.  

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So we we we all know that the well, we all should know, because I did it in school,   the the song about Joshua and the walls of Jericho.   That's that's very, very famous. Song.  

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Do you remember the song, the hymn?   Jericho,   Jericho.  

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And and what happened in in the song? Tumbling down. The walls came tumbling down.  

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Yeah. And, Maleficos, you know John Cougar Mellencamp. You've you're a musician, so you'll know he's that American   folk singer.   He he wrote a song in the eighties, I think, called the, yeah, the walls come tumbling down. Okay. No. Everyone assumes   all the walls, which were I think, it's it's a multi it's like a three or four mile radius   around this great city of Jericho, and its walls, plural. So everyone assumes   all the walls just they marched around the city for six days, and on the seventh day,   they,   they sounded the trumpets and gave out a shout, and the walls fell. And, yeah, that's the hymn you guys would have learned.  

But, no, they were double walls.   So plural just means there was a breach created in the wall. And here's here's how they did it.   God tells Joshua,   go into the land I I have given you. And, yeah, the land is full of fornicators   and the Canaanites.   The Canaanites are descended from Cain. That's how they get their name.   There's a lot of mixed blood in there. Esau has already   abandoned his people, the Abrahamic people.   Esau was never an Israelite. He's the twin brother of Jacob.   In any case,   he's abandoned his people and he's married into the line of Cain. And a lot of people make   make a fuss because he had four wives, and one of them was a descendant of Ishmael.  

So they try to get the it's those Muslims.   Yeah. No. It doesn't matter. He married into the line of Cain.   There is no greater liar in the Bible, according to Jesus than Cain. He was he was a murderer and a liar from the beginning.   So anyone else who came after him like Ahab, who was a bad king, that's small potatoes. Cain is it. So, anyway, that's where the Canaanites get their name. The other names were used, Kenites,   Cainites,   but Canaanite is the one that's made it into our modern day Bibles.   And, yeah, they they were,   they were the offspring of Satan and Eve.  

So they were half human and half angel just like the Nephilim are gonna be later, but, they all get wiped out, thankfully.   In any case   oh, yeah. So Joshua,   God tells him, go in. I'm giving you this land. What does Joshua do? He sends him spies.   Why would he I thought Joshua   he was chosen by God to replace Moses. Moses chose him. He was the most faithful of the bunch. Earlier in the book of Genesis,   Joshua and a guy named Caleb went on a mission to reconnoiter   the holy land, and, they they took some other guys with them. And all the other guys said, no. It's crazy. We can't do it. They're giants.   We are but as grasshoppers to them, and they call it off. Well, then it's not till Moses dies that Joshua again decides, okay. We're we're going in. God said he's giving us this land. Let's go. Well, why would he send spies   if god said I I like telling my kids so they'll understand. If god tells you, Maleficos and Shelly, if god tells you right now, turn around   and run straight through that wall,   Do it. What are you waiting for? What are you we gonna walk up and tap the wall? I don't know, God.  

This wall is made out of brick. Well, no. I mean, if I tell you, you're gonna laugh at me, but if if you heard the voice of God say, turn around and run through that wall, you would do it. And most people understand what I'm I'm saying. So why would Joshua send in spies? Because they're not spies. They're sappers.   And they befriend Rahab, the prostitute.   That that's that's who you befriend. Right?   Sex.   Like, she's already she has no morals. She doesn't care about all of her the people who she only cares about her immediate family, and they end up getting saved. Spoiler alert.   The the Israelites save them. But everyone else is slain. They and they kill all the animals every and they burn the city. Okay. So they sent he sends in these   sappers.  

And where does Rahab live?   In the wall. The walls are so big, and they're double walls, that all the poor people live inside the walls in these makeshift kind   of apartments they've made.   And that way, if there is an invasion, they'll go first. They'll slow down the invading force. Well, what the, the Canaanites of Jericho didn't anticipate was someone   gaining access to the wall and planting explosives   underneath the wall, and it doesn't say that.   But again, I ask you, why would Joshua send in spies?   Okay. Well, sure enough, they march around the city and all that, and that's a diversion.   That's that's to get the soldiers standing on the wall. What's what's going on down there? And on the seventh day, they sound the trumpet, and that's the signal to the sappers to detonate   the explosives.  

And, again,   everyone thinks all the walls came down, which could only be a miracle of God. No. No. They blew a breach in the wall   because then the Israelite soldiers, it says, they went up one after another.   They're going in single file.  

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Yeah.   Well, if all the walls came down, they couldn't go in single file. They'd be in disarray and have to run-in all directions, wouldn't they? Right. Yes.  

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And so it's,   now, also,   they think they have found Jericho, and they've excavated it. And sure enough, the walls have fallen out   instead of if you were besieging a city with sort of primitive   battering rams and and trebuchets launching rocks, the walls would fall inward.   But the walls fall outward,   so that that has to mean an explosive.   Okay. But, again,   all the walls have fallen outward. Well, yes. Once they go in and slay everyone, and they're in shock.   The Canaanites are in shock. They didn't expect this.   And and it turns out it's a pretty easy battle, actually. They they just kill everyone except Rahab's family.  

Well, then they they commenced tearing down the walls, and and you see how they would do that in medieval times. They would use hooks   on ropes, and they would pull the walls outward. You're not gonna pull them inward because you'll, you'll crush yourself, and there's already a bunch of dead bodies and everything. So, yes, eventually, all the walls have fallen outward.   But it's that key passage where once the breach is created, and it doesn't say breach, but I'm saying that,   The Israelite men went up one after another,   and that's the translation of the Hebrew.  

So the first few guys probably had it rough and probably didn't make it, but they keep pushing through the breach, and eventually, they they defeat   Jericho.   So   now that one,   there there's two more examples if we could. Gideon and Elijah.   There's no explanation   of well, Misha, where did they get the salt Peter for that? Well, I think they got it on Mount Sinai.   Okay? I think that's one of the reasons Moses went up there. And there's this place called Mount Sinai. You can go visit it. There's Saint Catherine's Monastery. That's not the real Mount Sinai. The real Mount Sinai,   they have found it since,   and it's black on top.  

Burned black even though it was, like, four thousand years ago. The stone is all burned black   because there was what did people observe while Moses was up on the mountain talking to god? They observed fire and brimstone,   and I think that's where they got the the salt Peter. And that's what they carried in the ark, the ark of the covenant,   because it's a covenant of salt.   Right?   And why would they carry salt around?   Right?   Oh, we might wanna pickle some onions later. No. It's salt. They have salt, Peter.   That's their secret weapon.  

But again again,   that's interpolation.   So let's jump to Gideon, if you will,   three or four hundred years later.   So Gideon, the story starts out,   the Israelites are being corrupted. Who's corrupting them? And the way you hear it in Catholic and Protestant churches, well, they're just falling out of favor with God, and there's some good Israelites and bad Israelites. If you jump ahead to the book of Jeremiah, no. No. No.   There's the residual   Jews, and they are enslaving   the remnant   Israelites. And there's only gonna be a 44,000   remnant Israelites as you if you jump ahead to the book of Revelation. But, anyway,   that's what's going on all throughout the the Jews,   Edomites,   also called Idumeans,   they're infiltrating the Israelites   and destroying them with sex.  

By the way, that that's why you ever heard of Phineas?   He caught one of his Israelite brothers fornicating   with   a Canaanite woman. So he grabs a javelin and runs them both through   and kills them like he skewers them. And it stayed the plague. There was a plague that had killed twenty five thousand Israelites at that point. That's that's much, much earlier. Moses is still alive. But it just shows you all sin begins with sex.   And so Phineas stopped that sin, and then the plague God stayed the plague.   Sorry. I lost oh, yeah. So there's Gideon.   And sure enough, the Israelites are being undermined from within.  

Oh, and those Midianites and Amalekites are amassing an army to attack them.   And Gideon, he realizes, you know, the first thing we gotta get right here is tear down this,   this altar to Baal.   Baal is Beelzebub,   right? That's   Moloch,   Satan, child sacrifice,   sex.   So, he tears down the altar to Baal   And in the morning,   the priests wake up and they're like, woah. Who did this? Who told her? And and they know it was Gideon. So they go to his father and he says, we're gonna stone your son. He tore down our altar to bail. And it's hilarious.   This doesn't have anything to do with the story, but it's hilarious.  

His father basically says, if   if Baal is so powerful, let him rebuild his own altar and kill my son. Let him do it if he's so powerful.   And that's the beginning of the story of Gideon. He gets that right. You gotta clean up first.   Mhmm. Right? Okay. And then he goes, and now we know how you get salt Peter.   An angel comes down and shows him,   he has a rock.   Now remember, there's only two it's either gaseous or,   solid.   Yeah. Saltpeter. Night nitrates. And the angel   touches the rock. He's he's laid meat on the rock as a sacrifice.   Because, again, he he's gonna return to worshiping the one true God. I should've mentioned that. And angel   ignites the rock with his rod,   and it bursts into flames, and the meat turns to ash.  

And so Gideon's like, holy   mackerel. So this is the power of the one true God. I'm I'm I'm beginning to worry less about this army of Midianites and Amalekites amassing,   down in the valley. They're gonna come wipe us out.   He then undergoes,   an experiment that would be repeated in the seventeenth century. He lays out fleece on the ground,   and the morning dew collects on the fleece. And then he rings out the fleece into a a tub,   and that's how he gets his saltpeter because   the gassy if you can get it from the air, that's way easier than getting it from composting or trying to find a rock somewhere of of a fully composted feces.  

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Right? And so he does yeah. So can I can I just ask you to clarify on that just just for the listening audience so that the,   the morning dew   essentially, I know for a fact you know, I know, from from my work and as a greenkeeper and stuff?   The morning dew is the most pure form of water that you can rub into the grass, etcetera, etcetera. So you're saying that, essentially, it's full of nitrates?  

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Yes. Very small quantity as they would discover in the seventeenth century. You probably heard of Robert Boyle?  

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Yes. I heard earlier when I was having a little poke around on the Internet for things. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He he was a fellow of the royals along with his, sidekick, Thomas Henshaw.  

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They they   undertook experiments to to try to get saltpeter because otherwise, they had to buy it from the Jews by then. The Jews controlled the saltpeter trade, and they had enslaved the Indians and the Chinese. And and you need massive amounts of slave labor   to fully compost,   digest, if you will,   feces. And that's, by the way, what all the, you know, the shtetls,   the ghettos.   Like, if Christians really hated Jews, why did they even let them have ghettos on the you know, in their cities?   Well, because the king or the the prince of the city, whatever,   he liked having the Jews because they would do two things. They'd take all the feces,   and then they'd sell Saul Peter to the king so he could, you know, keep control over his his kingdom.  

And   the the Jews were enslaving their own people, basically, within the   in other words,   Christians never forced Jews into a ghetto, again, also called a shtepel.   The Jews did that themselves because they had to keep secret how they made the saltpeter. No no one in Christendom, no no king or general ever really knew. They just knew they could buy it from the Jews for a very dear price. So in any case, yeah,   Gideon learns this, how to get it from the air. He already had a rock,   and I think he still has some of those rocks. But he gets it from the air by laying out fleece, which is lamb's lamb's wool,   made into   a fabric.  

Now have you ever heard of the the the Greek,   myth? By the way, I don't like the term myth. I think all myths are true. It's just we don't understand them. Or the Greek legend of the Golden Fleece? Mhmm. Yeah.   Jason and the Argonauts. They're on a quest. Argonauts. Yeah. Yeah. Connect with the Golden Fleece. The king sends them out to find the Golden Fleece.   The Fleece isn't golden.   It's what allows you to get the saltpeter.   And when you have saltpeter,   now remember the alchemists were always trying to turn base metals into gold?  

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Yes.  

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No.   You make saltpeter,   and then you can have all the gold you want and all the silver   and all the women.   That was the whole raison d'etre of alchemy   from time immemorial.   Like I say,   there there there's some Muslim scholars who who trace gunpowder   because, like, the the key ingredient the   the primary ingredient is feces, so there was never any shortage of that. So in any case, yeah,   Gideon gets it from the air instead of from   nitrogen,   saltpeter has   a high source,   godly,   and a lowly source, and you can't get any more lowly than feces.   That's the only two ways you can make it. So even when they find geological formations of it, it's just feces.  

So in any case,   it it won't stick around in nature. Otherwise, it it'll evaporate.   Yeah. So Gideon figures this out. Now   just before the attack,   one of his men has a dream, but it's not a dream. Okay?   And he he has a dream. He tells Gideon, you know, last night I had a dream that a barley loaf   rolled into the enemy encampment,   went into one of their tents, and exploded,   and it killed everyone.   Can you imagine that?  

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And that's do that with my barley loaves all the time.  

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Yeah.   And,   k. But everyone knows what Gideon is gonna do is use flaming swords,   and he chooses just 300 men because he only has so much of this Saul Peter that the angel showed him how to get out of the air. And and, again, he might have had some geological formations of it. That's what the angel used to do his little demonstration for Gideon. Now that Gideon destroyed   the temple to Baal. He's a good man. He has proven himself.   So,   the the the way the flaming swords work is they have a lamp   and then a vase over top of it.   And on his signal,   they're approaching the Amalekites   and Midianites who outnumber them like a hundred to one. It's not 10 to one. It's like a hundred to one. And on Gideon's signal, they break the vases.  

And inside,   the swords the flaming swords, which are already lit,   they start to flare out like a flamethrower.   And the whole   Midianite   Amalekite   army, they flee in fear, and they hunt them down, the ones they can, and they they kill them.   Now, what else would make a flaming sword?   It's it's Saul Peter.   It has to be some sort of   like, some people have suggested, like like with Greek fire, by the way, which is   it's pre Christian, but only by a century or two, and then it carries on until Constantinople   falls to the to the Muslims in 1453.   Greek fire lasts almost two thousand years. People say, well, it was just tar, and they would light fire to it. Well, then you throw it in the water, and it's just gonna go out. And they were fighting the Persians   on the Aegean Sea. But in any case, here's here's Gideon.  

People have said, yeah. It was, it was   a primitive version of napalm.   Well, you're gonna   cause yourself   you're gonna immolate yourself or a lot of your men. This might be why he chose just 300 men. He he had thousands of men to choose from, Israelite men, but he only chose 300. They would have still been outnumbered hundred to one, but he chooses 300.   This this is like a firework   flying out of his,   these handheld,   lamp they're called lamps and and then later referred to as the flaming swords of Gideon.   Now as I say with all stories in the Bible, there's there's no there's no happy endings,   ever.  

Just to finish off with Gideon before we move to Elijah,   Gideon,   he he becomes kind of profligate, and he has many wives. He has 70 sons.   I see. So what a son.  

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And one of them a net, so I have to say.  

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Yeah.   One of one of his sons and it doesn't say if it's the oldest or the youngest or whatever. He kills all 70 of his brothers so he can seize the throne.   Gideon's dead by then.   And then what does he do? He starts attacking all the people around him,   and he salts their fields.   And we know for sure that was not the same salt that his dad had used.   He salts their fields. So just a   like, right there in the Old Testament, we see the juxtaposition   of salt Peter  

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and salt. Salt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.   You know? And and going back to it, those that weren't here at the beginning of the,   the show, you you put salt on any so you you put a a quantity of salt into any soil, and you will kill   any plant life, any bacterial life that's in there.  

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Yep. And it'll it'll stay until,   enough water comes and   washes it away with Yeah. For sure. Very long time. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

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So now you guys wanna jump to Elijah? Yeah. Let's jump to Elijah. So just to let you know, Misha, we've got sort of,   just under twenty minutes.  

[01:41:19] Unknown:

Okay. Okay. You're gonna have to go back on again, so don't worry.   Oh, sure, Shelley. I'm I'm glad you're interested.   Again,   you'll get kicked out of church for talking about this stuff.   And don't even don't even try signing up for seminary school. They don't wanna hear about it. So   Elijah,   he follows   a similar path. He's already a prophet, whereas Gideon had to sort of clean up his act and make himself   worthy in God's eyes.   But Elijah is already a prophet, and and he he decides he's gonna take on   the   prophets of Baal,   the high priests of Baal. And they have a standoff,   And,   he says to them, let's see who can call down fire from heaven.  

And they're like, yeah. That sounds like a good ending. I don't know. There's, like, 20 of them or something against one guy, against Elijah.   And,   they they put their sacrifice   down,   you know, meat, but they also include grain and you you could sacrifice anything and burn it for the lord.   So anyway, they they lay down their sacrifice, and they spend all day praying to Baal, praying to Baal.   Chopping off your little finger? Yeah. This is how the prophets of Baal show, look, we're worthy. We we believe you're. And long story short, they fail.   So now it's Elijah's turn.  

And he   he he's he's like a a magician, if you will, but in a good way. He he's a showman. He takes his sacrifice, the bull, the meat,   and he orders his servants. He says, pour broth on it.   Pour broth. Oh, and by the way, that had happened with Gideon as well. The angel,   to show him how powerful   Saul Peter is, he poured broth on the meat that was sitting on the rock and is still burned to ash. So Elijah,   maybe he knew of this. That's from the book of Judges with Gideon, and he does the same thing. He says, pour broth on it.   Now pour broth on it again, and they dig a trench around the the sacrifice   to hold the water in. He's he's really making this tough. And they do it four times. They pour broth   on the sacrifice.  

And,   now this time, instead of a stone   and remember,   Jesus is the stone the builders rejected. Right? So a little   metaphorical tie in there. But this time, Elijah has guess how many stones underneath his   bull?   12. He has 12 stones   for the 12 tribes of Israel,   and there's gonna be 12 apostles.   And,   yeah,   and what happens, he ignites them. And in spite of all this broth, they burn up,   and the bowl is turned to ash.   And now there's a huge crowd. They've been watching us all day.   And in an instant, they all realize   the prophets of Baal   are liars.  

And   Elijah says, get them. And they slay them all. They try running down to the   river. And, the the the people this is just the people. You know? You you wanna reach the people.   It's not   Elijah's guys, not his bodyguards. He didn't have any. It's not he had servants. No. It's the a fallen man. And that's a really that's a really important metaphor, particularly in this day and age. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And they they slew the prophets of Baal. Okay. But the king   the king, he's still mad. He's like, what? Because, you know, the king likes   the prophets of Baal. They   they get him his harem and all that good stuff. So, the king orders   it's called the captain of the 50.  

It's a captain who commands 50 men.   Go and get Elijah. And what does Elijah do to them? He burns them to a crisp.   The king says, alright. He gets another captain of the 50. Go and get Elijah,   And he burns them to a crisp.   He sends a third captain of the 50, and that captain   falls to his knees.   Like the people, he realizes   you are the you are a prophet of the one true God. I mean you no harm. And Elijah spares them. And that's the story of Elijah. And they are stones this time. Not it's not aerial nitrogen.   They are definitely stones   of, of probably very pure   saltpeter.  

So, yeah, he, he wins the day. And and, again, all stories,   they're only in the Old Testament,   they always end in tragedy.   Elijah ends up getting taken up to heaven like Enoch because he was without sin.   Remember Enoch, it says he was no more. They couldn't find his body anywhere just like Jesus. You know? Where is Jesus buried?   He's not. He's up in heaven, in the flesh, by the way.   So Enoch was taken up. Elijah is taken up. And kind of a funny ending to the story,   Elijah, one of his protege is Elisha,   and Elisha gets this power   from Elijah.  

And he goes to the neighboring town after all this has happened, and the the the prophets of Baal have all been slain. And I think the king is overthrown finally. I I'm sorry. I forget. But now   Elijah's gone, and Elisha   is there, and he has this power.   And,   and they tell him the   the elders of the town, they say, you know, our water supply is really bad.   No one can drink it. And he comes, and what does he do?   He casts salt   into the water, and it purifies it. Now, again,   Maleficus and Shelley, that can't be salt. Right?   That's no. I and I don't even know if it's saltpeter,   but it's not salt. It's not common salt. Just pure salt water.  

If it was Yeah. You would have just made it like the Dead Sea. Well, if you drink salt water, you eventually go mad.  

[01:47:29] Unknown:

Yeah. As that. You know? Yeah. All those or ask any any ask any dead semen that's that's been cast out to sea. You know? Yeah. When you when you finally get to, you know,   get to the afterlife, ask any guy that died at sea who   who was so thirsty he ended up drinking salt water. It eventually turns you mad because Yeah. It dehydrates you. It just well, that's all it your salt is,   is a is a it's a desiccant. So Right. It will literally   you you know what it's like if you, if you've been out in the sea, Shelley, you've been surfing and stuff, and all your lips go crispy because you've been out in the sun and stuff because   literally the salt and and I know from being a chef as well, you know, if you want to make a really nice steak,   and and you want want it nice and rare, you put you don't put a lot of salt on it. You mainly put pepper on it. If you want a nice,   well done steak, salt it because it draws all the moisture out.  



[01:48:26] Unknown:

Right.   Yeah. Yeah. And that again is preservation,   you know, salting foods,   like potato chips. They don't have to be refrigerated and pickling.   And so, yeah, the the church is unfortunately   globbed on to that metaphor   that, oh, the, the covenant like, God makes a covenant of salt. It's literally called a covenant of salt with David.   And a covenant of salt is forever.   Really? So how'd that work out for David's descendants? Well, Solomon has 700 wives, and and he ends up killing his brother   to get the throne after David dies. And then, the kingdom is split. You get the 10 tribes in the North and the tribe of Judah in the South. And and by the way, the reason the tribe of Judah,   and the Benjamites join the tribe of Judah,   along with the Edomites, no less, who aren't even part of the 12 tribes, but the reason they they're together is they're both bastards.  

If you go back,   the Benjamites,   they had they had fallen for the the sons of Belial. That's in Judges nineteen and twenty.   And the other 11 tribes wiped them out, and they kill.   It's a   long battle, but they they kill all but the last 500 of the Benjamites, and there's no women or children left. That's how ferocious the battle was.   Now the Benjamites don't have wives,   and they they give up. They say, okay, okay, you   you you got us, but how are we gonna have children?   And the other 11 tribes say, we won't let you marry our daughters, but we'll let you marry pagan women.   So the Benjamites are half half blooded. Okay? And that's why they join with Judah because   of the 12 tribes right after Jacob, Judah is the only one who marries a Canaanite woman.  

Now she dies,   but he gets a Canaanite   bride for his son, and then his son dies, and he gives the bride to his next son. Well, then he dies.   So   long story short, this woman, this Canaanite woman, she's like, man, I'm never gonna have kids. So she dresses up as a hooker,   and she seduces Judah.   And that's how the tribe of Judah is launched. Right from the get go,   they're half blooded. Now people don't like it when you talk about blood   and race, but that's that's what the Bible is. That's why you got the 12 the 12 tribes of Israel.   It's by blood. Right? They're descended from Abraham   and jump all the way to Revelation. There will only be a 44   pure blooded Israelites in the end times. That's in Revelation seven, and then it's confirmed again in Revelation 14. A 44. That's it. All the rest of the Israelites   by the end times, whatever that is, they will have   mixed their blood with non Israelites.  

So in any case, yeah, the   things did not go well for this covenant of salt that God made with David. Yeah. It lasted until David died,   and then Solomon builds the first temple.   God never wanted a temple. He flat out says that twice in the Old Testament.   He wants obedience. He says, I don't need a temple made of hewn stone   by human hands. He says, I made the universe. What need have I for a house?   Those are his almost his exact words. So that the temple is satanic,   both temples, especially the second one, because as as you probably know, King Herod,   who's the most evil guy in the Bible Yeah. And he's an he's an Edomite. He's not he's not a Israelite.  

He he's really they had a small temple and then he renovates it. And it's called Herod's Temple by the time of Jesus. But it's yeah.   If God wanted a temple, will not neither of them would have been torn down and there'd still be a temple, there'd be no need for these stupid Christian Zionists to help the Jews go build a third one. If God wanted a temple, he'd have had one the whole time. But he flat out says, what need am I of a house? Well, King Herod, everyone will know from the the nativity story. If you Yeah. He For any listeners out there that weren't familiar, where do I know the name King Herod from? Just think the nativity story.   Yeah. He tries to kill Jesus in the crib. Yeah. Yeah.  

And, again,   because he knows   he's the messiah.   He wouldn't have killed him otherwise.  

[01:52:45] Unknown:

Right? What what what harm is a baby to anyone?  

[01:52:48] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. And the three wise men came,   and what does he care? They're not they're not,   Edomites. I do mean like, they're Persian.   So why would he care what they had to say? He's like, yeah. Whatever. But he believes them. He's like, damn. That probably is the Messiah.   Because they they all have the scriptures. Right? And, yeah. So he tries to kill Jesus. And,   you you have to ask yourself,   how do we know for sure Jesus was the Messiah? Well, because the Jews killed him,   and they killed him in a most spectacular   way, a twenty four hour death sentence, basically.  

Jesus says on the night of his arrest, he says, I'm already in the grave.   And that's why when you come they said Jesus will be in the grave for three days. Friday is included. He's already in the grave, and then he's gonna die that night and go into the grave literally. But a lot of people have trouble. He was it's Friday evening, all day Saturday, and then Sunday morning, he's he's gone. And so it's parts of three days,   but, really, it's on the night of his arrest, he says, I'm already in the grave. It's that's because that's how bad his punishment was.   It was a punishment worse than death. So it takes twenty four hours to kill him. Let let me ask you this. Why why didn't they just quietly assassinate him in a back alley somewhere?  



[01:54:08] Unknown:

Okay. Because you've gotta you've gotta make a spectacle of this person and prove to them that he's just a human.  

[01:54:14] Unknown:

Right. And then they could retain their power of the temple, which was a brothel and a lending   institute.  

[01:54:22] Unknown:

Lending  

[01:54:23] Unknown:

money. Oh, sure. Because   when you came   when you came to Jerusalem   first of all, you you you couldn't bring animals because people were coming like, it's a two day or three day walk from Galilee for Jesus and his parents. Right? You're not gonna bring your lamb that you're gonna kill. So you get there and you buy   the sacrifice,   but you have to buy it in the temple. It's called Solomon's Porch.   It's the   grand surrounding area that Herod built around the temple, and everyone's allowed in there, but only only Israelites are allowed into the actual temple portion, and no one's allowed in the Holy of Holies. But anyway,   so in temple in in Solomon's Porch, it's called, which is like an addition to the temple, that's where you go to buy the animal. And this is where they get you. They'd say, you can't bring   you can't bring Roman money into the temple.  

So you had to who did you go to?   The money changers.   Yeah. And they would screw you on the exchange rate. You had to have shekels.   You had to buy your lamb or Jesus' parents are poor, so they they buy a a dove   and to make your blood sacrifice, which, by the way, is another thing God says he doesn't want. He doesn't want blood sacrifice. He wants obedience.   And blood sacrifice never atoned for any sin ever. And Jesus was not the last sacrifice, although it sort of says that. He Jesus was not a blood sacrifice because he didn't bleed until he was already dead, and they punctured his, his his rib cage. Right? And water came out. Yeah. He doesn't bleed.   A blood sacrifice   means you drain out all the blood because you you're not supposed to eat blood. Blood   has the disease in it. All the life is in the blood. So anyway, that's what   when the   Israelites, the real Israelites, before they got infiltrated,   they had altars   inside a tabernacle,   which was a mobile tent. They had no the altar was made of stone, but the the tabernacle was a tent. It was mobile because they had to move around with their their flocks.  

And they never had a temple. Anyway, and the the idea of a blood sacrifice was to get all the blood out of the animal before you ate it.   Anyway,   so so there they are. Yeah. They would and they would lend money as well at interest.   And they were already lending money to the Greeks and the Romans, and, you know, they end up fighting them. Well, nothing new there. Right? And this is why Jesus threw the money changes out of the temple.   Right. Right. He didn't he didn't mind if you went there and bought an animal.   It again, it's not really biblical to think that, well, I cheated on my wife, but I'm gonna   slaughter this baby lamb and spill its blood on the altar and that'll that's so ridiculous because,   you don't cover your sin   with blood.  

You cleanse your sin. And and that's another contradiction you see in the New Testament.   A lot of pastors will say that. You cover your sin in the blood of Christ. Well, what do you you think you're going to trick God?   That that he'll see the blood of Christ on you and you're, oh,   yeah. Maleficos. He's okay.   No problem there because you're you're tricking him. That's like when you sweep something under the rug, so to speak. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He wants you of God. He is.   Yeah. Yeah. Your so the the correct term is you cleanse your sin.   You cleanse yourself of sin, and you sin no more.  

And any case, yeah, they were it was a brothel,   and and we know that from   extra biblical sources.   Most of the synagogues and temples,   they you if you were wealthy enough,   you got to sacrifice a bull instead of a lamb or a dove, and you got some excitement there while you were visiting the temple. And they had temple prostitutes,   young boys and girls, just like Esther, by the way, back to the book of Esther.  

[01:58:16] Unknown:

And that is common. And rather like Epstein Island.  

[01:58:20] Unknown:

Yep.  

[01:58:21] Unknown:

Yep. Starting to get really interesting, but we've gotta come to an end, guys.  

[01:58:26] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:58:27] Unknown:

Well, crikey, you've gotta come back, Mitchel. That that's amazing. I'm just sitting there in awe, and I'm like, right. Next. Next.  

[01:58:33] Unknown:

But, I think we have a lot of time.   You are a font of knowledge, sir, and you certainly   bring the Bible to life in the modern day, and it's absolutely   fascinating.  

[01:58:47] Unknown:

I'll say this.   Probably everything you've heard about the Bible   is metaphorical   or worse ceremonial.   And, yeah, if anything, what we've discussed here, it's literal.  

[01:59:00] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. That's what's made it so fascinating.  

[01:59:03] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. It's been great. Thank you so much for joining us. We will sort for you to come back again.   Fascinating. Oh, thanks for having me. No. You're welcome. It's been a pleasure. Where can people find you, Misha? I mean, I know if you type your name in, you'll you're just everywhere, but have you got a website or anything?  

[01:59:20] Unknown:

I will when I get   volume one of my book on gunpowder.   It'll be out in   a couple months.   And in the meantime,   my my first book, Is It Organic, it contains some of this. By the way, manna, the manna in the desert, that that was saltpeter,   and it was an edible form of saltpeter that instead you know, you need saltpeter to to make bread because there's protein in bread, and then you eat that, and that becomes and better to eat meat. But what was going on with the manna was you could skip all the in between phases. You could just eat the manna.   And it was it was a type of saltpeter. Obviously, god made it. And yeah. So, anyway, that that's in life. I did get that right in my first book that came out in 02/2009, and that that's available on Amazon. That's is it organic? I'll put, a link in in the in the comments.  



[02:00:09] Unknown:

Brilliant stuff. We have run out of time. Oh, we've ended,   Actually, we've gone over, but never mind. Yeah.   Great stuff. Thanks for listening, guys, and we will be back the same time next Wednesday.   Have an awesome week.  

[02:00:22] Unknown:

Thanks for having me.