The Shelley Tasker Show

Share on social media:

Broadcasts live every Wednesday at 7:00p.m. uk time on Radio Soapbox: http://radiosoapbox.com

In this engaging episode of the Shelley Tasker Show, Shelley hosts a roundtable discussion with Mallificus Scott, Gary Rees, Patrick Channel, and Joe Wood. The conversation kicks off with updates from each guest, including Gary's recent DNA heritage test results, which reveal surprising insights about his ancestry. The group delves into the challenges of multi-generational family histories and the importance of preserving heritage.

Mallificus tells us his story of keeping hold of a past artifact from a ww2 plane wreck, and passing it on to the relevant owner.

As the discussion progresses, the guests touch on various topics, including the impact of the COVID-19 lockdown on education and the controversial enforcement of school attendance. Shelley shares her personal experiences with homeschooling and the difficulties faced by parents navigating the education system.

Patrick shares insights from his own homeschooling experience and the benefits of alternative education methods. The conversation also explores the broader societal implications of government policies, immigration, and the erosion of community cohesion.

The episode takes a poignant turn as Joe reflects on the emotional toll of recent events and the challenges of maintaining hope in turbulent times. The group discusses the role of media in shaping public perception and the importance of critical thinking.

Throughout the episode, the guests provide thoughtful commentary on the intersection of history, culture, and current events, offering listeners a rich tapestry of perspectives and insights.

[00:00:58] Unknown:

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker Show here coming live out of radio soapbox.com.   It's good to have your company.   Today's date is Wednesday, 21st August 2024.   Happy hump   day. I am streaming live from rubble as well. So if you've got any comments you'd like to add, join in the chat. And I've also put my Skype details in there if anybody would like to join in. I don't know if that's gonna work, but   we'll soon see. Anyway, doing something a bit different this evening. We are gonna do a roundtable.   So, I'd like to welcome everybody else. We've got Malefika Scott, Gary Rees, Patrick Chanel, and Joe Wood will be joining us in the next 10 minutes or so. Good evening, people.  



[00:01:42] Unknown:

Hello, missus.  

[00:01:43] Unknown:

How are you doing? Hello. Hello, Gary. Yep. Good evening. And hi to Patrick.   How's everyone doing?  

[00:01:52] Unknown:

All good. Thanks.  

[00:01:53] Unknown:

You're very quiet, Gary.  

[00:01:56] Unknown:

Yep. Oh, quite well here.  

[00:01:59] Unknown:

How is it now?  

[00:02:00] Unknown:

That's a bit better. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. Cool. Good. It just   It's it's a random thing, is it? I always find it difficult doing radio when you've got, like, 4 or 5 people trying to chat because nobody wants to interrupt. And if anything, they stay silent. Please don't stay silent.  

[00:02:17] Unknown:

No. Thanks thanks thanks for having us on. This is gonna be, I'm assuming, an extended version of the Shelley Tasker show this evening.   That's pointless of swapping studios halfway through, I'm assuming.  

[00:02:31] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. And setting up another rumble stream and stuff, and I think you couldn't be bothered to do your connection.  

[00:02:37] Unknown:

So you just Oh, no. I've got some I've got some amazing connections for you, actually. I've been doing some research. You've been busy. And I've I've been busy. I've been out actually, I've been to one of the local markets today, and I've stumbled across another local author,   who has written I'll dig the books out in a little while and just and let you know. But you you guys are in for a treat for the next Kurno connections, I tell you, honestly.   Oh, exciting stuff. You are. It is exciting.  

[00:03:05] Unknown:

And what have you been up to, Gary?  

[00:03:09] Unknown:

I've had some time off actually from work, and I've been doing stuff around the house, gardening,   decluttering,   filling as,   a 10 cubic   yard   skip full of rubbish.   And,   also, it looks like my apples   are coming early this year. Feels like autumn already.  

[00:03:28] Unknown:

It is autumn, I think.  

[00:03:30] Unknown:

Yeah.   It does feel cold and all of a sudden, and the apples are dropping.   You know, they're looking pretty ripe as as an autumn. So, like, in a couple of weeks, it would be,  

[00:03:41] Unknown:

becoming early. Yeah. So is it is it apple crumble,   Gary, or is it rough cider?  

[00:03:47] Unknown:

It's gonna be both, mate.  

[00:03:50] Unknown:

Yippsy.  

[00:03:54] Unknown:

At the same time.  

[00:03:56] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. The 2 definitely go together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Well, I've missed all of that this year because our garden's, like, been in fruition of, like, just being made into a garden.   But we've got, like, an area now for raised flower beds and all that sort of of stuff. And, yeah, roll on next spring. It won't take long, and I've got plenty of time to plan it now, haven't I? So  

[00:04:19] Unknown:

So are you going the no dig route?   Yes. Yes. We're gonna have You are going flower beds. Yeah. So you're going the no dig route. You're gonna have copious amounts of cardboard in the bottom of your roast beds. Isn't that right? Yeah. Well, that and all the other stuff.   Yes.  

[00:04:36] Unknown:

So yeah. Yeah. But like I said, I'm a bit late. Darren wanted to order all these, like, things that you do it all in, and, I'm like, no. No. Because I'm not starting till next year. It's just it's like they're on sale. I'm like, I don't care. I can't cope with any more stuff hanging around.  

[00:04:52] Unknown:

Yeah. But that's the point is you buy it this this end of the year because it is cheaper because everyone's already bought it. So they're trying to get rid of the excess stock.   It's like,   it's like camping gear. It's like camping gear. Obviously, we've just,   sorted ourselves out with a little camper van and and well, it's not. It's a work van that I stuck a rock and roll bed in the back of, and we're having some windows put in. But we've got an awning to go on the side of one of these driveway awnings. And   and I'm kind of looking through all the because once you get into doing something, you tend to sort of get into what else you can get to do with those things, you know,   regardless of what you're,   you know, regardless of what it is you're into. You know, if it's gardening and it's plants or whatever, it's camping, it's like gas stoves and heaters and and and I don't know.  

It's just other useful things for camping. So, but I've noticed that everything that I've been looking at is starting to come down in price. So, one of the things that actually Patrick put me on to was   one of these little Kelly kettle things. Have you seen these?   No. They're like it's like a little Oh, did you get one? No. I haven't, but it's on my list. It's on my shopping list, you see. I noticed you chimed in there,   Patrick. So it's basically like a chimney, if you like.   But the chimney   has   is,   It's a water jacket. It's a It's a water jacket. Exactly that. And you fill up the chimney with water, which only covers the in the outs you know, it's basically just like a a 2 skin thing. So and you you have a little fireplace in the middle of it, and it heats up water really quickly, all that kind of thing.   And you can literally just use twigs and stuff. Can't you, Patrick?  



[00:06:33] Unknown:

Yeah. Pretty much. But just remember, don't leave it out to be frozen. Otherwise, it'll explode like mine did.   Oh, no.  

[00:06:44] Unknown:

Note to self. Don't use my Kelly kettle while it's freezing. Yeah.  

[00:06:49] Unknown:

Okay. Yeah. Don't don't leave water in it.  

[00:06:53] Unknown:

I've got a a camping trip coming up this weekend.   I'm not looking forward to it, to be honest with you, but we'll cheat. You see, what we'll do is we'll go somewhere really local   and then come home during the day   just so that Piran gets the experience and have some fun. It's for him. He's all doing it for us because Darren's gigging as well. So one night, I've got to stay there by myself, but I've been promising all over the holidays. So, but, you know, it'll be fine. It'll be fine. 2 nights   under the stars.  

[00:07:22] Unknown:

Yeah. Absolutely.  

[00:07:24] Unknown:

Under the stars is the way to go if you can. If you Well, if it is a clear night, it'll probably be turned down with rain at the weekend.  

[00:07:31] Unknown:

Yeah. Probably. As this weekend, so are you going somewhere nicer? Because we're we're off potentially somewhere just for the Friday night this weekend,  

[00:07:39] Unknown:

heading down in the Haile direction. Yes. Well, that's where we're going. We're gonna hopefully go,   Godreavy way. Old Gwivion. There's a nice campsite. We stayed there a couple of years ago just in the middle of nowhere. Well, yeah, on a little coastal road,   all cheap and cheerful. They've got everything you need, but it's for the kids to have a green space to run around and ride their bikes on, really. You know? Absolutely. Yeah.  

[00:08:01] Unknown:

Must be great to live in a holiday destination.  

[00:08:04] Unknown:

It's all on your doorstep, isn't it? Well You don't have to travel far at all. No. You don't. But if you wanna go to the beach or somewhere, you are a bit you feel like, oh, I'm gonna have to get out really early to find a parking space because it's a nightmare. All the all the Emmets. Yeah. All the Emmets. Yeah. That is the correct terminology. Yeah. The correct terminology.  

[00:08:23] Unknown:

I'll be one there. I'll be one next week.  

[00:08:25] Unknown:

Yeah. Will you Out of the way. Wait. What what do you mean? What do we what's that word? Emmett. Emmett. Emmett. What's an Emmett? As an American, I have no idea. Okay. So an Emmett, I can give you the full definition.  

[00:08:38] Unknown:

An Emmett is is the old Cornish word   for ant, and emmets   are ants. Got it. And, the the holidaymakers are so called because they come down,   I suppose, like an army of ants,   rid us of all our ice cream and our pasties, and go again at the end of the season, having decimated the whole area while they've been here.   So we used to have bumper stickers in the back of our cars when I was a kid. You're not allowed to do it anymore. And you still see the old the occasional old Cornish boy we were in the back of his car,   in back of an old Moggy van or something, a Morris Minor van or something. And it's literally got the words non Emmett and an ant with a sort of round circle with a cross through it.  



[00:09:25] Unknown:

Got it.  

[00:09:27] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:09:28] Unknown:

I don't know. It's a house I so wish I had one of those stickers now. I so wish I had one of those stickers now. I'd totally put it on the van.  

[00:09:35] Unknown:

Brilliant. We we want the people, but we also want our town, don't we?  

[00:09:40] Unknown:

Really? Yeah. We don't want the people. We all have capital. Do, but the business doesn't need it and such, don't they?  

[00:09:46] Unknown:

Maleficus, I need to interrupt because I I need to work out. Jo is online, and I I'm not sure how to add her   to the group.  

[00:09:55] Unknown:

How did you add Gary? Well, I you have to go to well, I didn't add Gary. I got Patrick to do it. I added Gary. Well, Jo is not any of your friends. The contact.  

[00:10:05] Unknown:

You'd have to share the contact with me  

[00:10:08] Unknown:

or Oh, right. I'm gonna do that then. I'll share her profile.   God. Technology. It's great, wouldn't it?   Words. But it says I've added her to this group.   So,   oh, I don't know. Alright. Carry on talking amongst yourself, boys, and I'll just figure it out quickly.   Pressure on you.  

[00:10:27] Unknown:

No.  

[00:10:31] Unknown:

So,   what's what's triggered the big clear out then, Gary? Have you,  

[00:10:35] Unknown:

it's just something you've been putting off? Or Yeah. It's been some have been putting off because it worked away a lot,   and it's just been building up and building up, over the years. And, and, also, I had to get storage because I, you know, sold my parents' place and all their belongings are my late parents.   So I've got all those to sort out now as well. So it's just like, oh god. It's never ending. Oh, great. It's interesting stuff, though. It's interesting stuff on the on the flip side of it. It's,   it's it's interesting stuff.  



[00:11:05] Unknown:

Yes. I would imagine.  

[00:11:07] Unknown:

Yeah. But oh, yeah. I did, you know, because a lot of people go they go against doing jumping subjects there. I did a DNA test for me. I did my you know, the heritage test you do. We are so Okay. To find out where your heritage comes from. I was quite shocked, actually.   The one?   Well, not shocked. Some of it a little bit I'm shocked. I was quite surprised there's no Scandinavian there. So I was quite surprised about that.   So, basically,   I'm,   58% Welsh.   What else? 37%.   English and Northwestern Europe becomes, but it seems to have centered all my day now around Worcestershire, Herefordshire,   Gloucestershire,   Warwickshire, which is very strong, which is true,   And,   Northampton, Oxfordshire. Yeah. So it's all those Midland counties and the border counties to Wales and Southwest Wales, which are new and Central Wales, which I know of anyway.  

Right. And that's it. Right? Oh, dollars. Oh, 2%   Irish, 3% Scottish.   So  

[00:12:13] Unknown:

It's interesting. I don't know how far on the technology  

[00:12:17] Unknown:

has I'm trying another one. I'm trying another one. Oh, you are? Oh, what? And you're sort of cross referencing them? Yeah. I'm gonna say because there's another one that's supposed to give more detail to us. It's a top number one recommended, so I'm trying that one. Okay. Interesting. Well, let's know let's know how how,  

[00:12:32] Unknown:

similar or different the results are because I don't know how far the technology has come on, but a a couple of years back,   I was listening it was actually a BBC documentary   Yeah. Regarding,   DNA testing and and and peep I think it was about people that have been wrongly imprisoned from dodgy DNA results and and things like that. And one of the   scientists, quote, unquote, they had in the room said that,   you know, it's it's not entirely reliable because the the results, it's like radio signals. It's like trying to read radio signals in world war  

[00:13:15] Unknown:

Hello? Can can anybody hear me?   Where's Maleficos gone?   Hello?  

[00:13:26] Unknown:

The host.  

[00:13:31] Unknown:

Hello? Can you all hear me?  

[00:13:33] Unknown:

Yes. Hello? Oh, hello, Joe. Hi, Joe. Like a World War 2 transmission.  

[00:13:38] Unknown:

That does sound like a World War 2 transmission.   They were just so just to just to finish hello hello, Joe. Nice to, Hello. Have you on. Hi, Joe. Then.   Not at all. Not at all. I was just I'll just finish up what I was saying, and that was quite simply, they were saying DNA the the ex so called experts on on, one of the experts on the panel on this particular BBC program was saying that with the, DNA results, sometimes the the results are that noisy,   that it's very difficult to get an accurate reading   of of many things. And so I've often wondered why they were giving out free DNA tests at times and that kind of thing. But, yeah, it'd be interesting to know  

[00:14:19] Unknown:

how close the two results are between the two tests. What they've given me so far apart from the 2% Irish and 3% Scotch, I don't know where that is, but that can be anywhere back in time. But,   the the in recent last few 100 years, say,   through, yeah, 300 years, which I've re I've gone back on few sidelines of the family. That's quite accurate. It's very accurate, the counties. They've they've pinpointed counties. Yeah.   That's interesting. So I've been doing a lot of research as well.  

[00:14:48] Unknown:

It is. And the the things you discover I've got, a long lost cousin,   and he found us through this whole DNA.   I can't remember the name of the site,   but, we were getting, like, strange messages.   And, basically,   he was a grandson my nan never knew he had, and he was called the same name as her other grandson. So she had 2 grandsons called Adrian.   But, if, you know but understand if, like, other members of your family,   Gary, have, like, gone on there as well, if they find then, like, your DNA details, they, like,  

[00:15:26] Unknown:

get in touch. It works out there. Yeah. Already on this site, I've I've I'm I'm we've sort of,   put up names of people who I'm definitely closely related, but I'm not contacting them. I'll just leave it. Like, second cousins and stuff like that. People alive. Yeah.   So   I don't recognize their names, but they're, from over the board, but anyway  

[00:15:50] Unknown:

Oh, it was interesting, though, isn't it? So you got 2% Irish in you.   So Oh, that's lovely.  

[00:15:57] Unknown:

From the Guinness, I think.  

[00:16:01] Unknown:

Yeah. It was a heavy night the night before I went for the DNA test.  

[00:16:06] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, they do that. How do they do that? Was it just a hair strand?  

[00:16:10] Unknown:

No. You you spit into it like a little test tube they give you, and it's got some kind of, like, preservative liquid in it or something, and you send it off it. But funny enough, it actually goes to Ireland,   the the lab. So I wonder if they're,   making make making out everybody's Irish fiddling.  

[00:16:27] Unknown:

Isn't it interesting though to think that you can just spit in a little tube and they can get all that information yet when it was COVID times,   we had to scrape well, I didn't, but scrape that test at the back of your throat. Everybody used to say if it's that lethal, why can't you just breathe on it? You know?  

[00:16:43] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. I'm talking of DNA. This is just going off subject very quickly. It's not off subject, but I've got an archive of tapes and one of them I found from a an uncle from a great uncle.   And it's dated   December 4th or 5th, I think,   1954, and it was a party.   On one track, there's, like, half an hour of jokes and telling it seems like a lot,   a Sunday get together, and everyone's laughing. You can see there's a booth is flowing, and they're telling poems and funny stories, and it goes on for 30 minutes. On the other track, there's a BBC   sound with a big   voice, and it's a Cambridge professor talking   about the recent breakthroughs in DNA technology.  

I've got that as well. That's quite interesting to listen to. Is that from the same year, Gary? When is that Yeah. Yeah. Because because it was 1953, the big breakthroughs, wasn't it? Right. So that'd be interesting because that was the year granddad's book came out as well. So that's that's a real snapshot in time for me. I'd love to have a listen to that. Yeah. And on this this box, it's CBS, the tape. It's got the names of all the people who are on the tape who attended the party.   Oh, boy.   So,   yeah, so I'm on I'm a Voyager Discovery.   The the transmission, I'll I'll give you a copy of it actually. I'll I'll dig it out.  



[00:18:01] Unknown:

I'll send you a copy. Are you on that journey for a specific reason then, Gary?  

[00:18:07] Unknown:

No. I've always been interested in,   you know, where we come from and why where where we are.   And it's all I've always been into that sort of thing. I'm a little bit it's almost like detective work. You're joining dots together.   Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating. It is forensic because I've got, like,   anecdotes in the family. I've gone on a travel to photographs,   and then they find documents   and then nowadays you can go online very easily and find, you know, where people were living.   You know, I've got a lot of artifacts going back to the 19th century. I've recently found my   great grandmother's   wedding ring,   in the original box.  

Anyway, she was from,   Bam near near Bambury Village.   But the ring was bought in Birmingham in 9 and they got married in 1904.   And it's like 22 carat gold,   diamond and ruby studded.  

[00:19:01] Unknown:

Wow.  

[00:19:02] Unknown:

And it's nice. Yeah. I remember seeing it as a kid and it'll go through, obviously, it'll empty my mother's eyes or faggot   in the original box. Wow.   And they got married in Banbury in Oxfordshire in   1904.  

[00:19:17] Unknown:

So,   so   just to bring Jo into the conversation, are you are you,   do do you have, like, old family stuff, though? Are you interested in your sort of family heritage and that kind of thing? Do you this is the first time I've ever spoken to you, Jo, I think.  

[00:19:34] Unknown:

Lucky you or not.   Yeah. I mean, I am interested when sorry. Is your other guest called Gary?  

[00:19:43] Unknown:

Yep.  

[00:19:44] Unknown:

Yeah. Hello, Gary. Hello, Joe.   When you were   talking, I was really interested   in   did you feel because you said that was it 2%   Irish?  

[00:19:58] Unknown:

Yeah. I was quite surprised at that. There's no evidence.  

[00:20:02] Unknown:

Did you feel,   you know, sometimes   people   will feel that they belong or they feel like   they belong to a different nationality   or did you have any of that?  

[00:20:16] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I did because,   my father's Welsh, my parents, and my mother comes from a Welsh line as well. There's only one strand of,   English. But I found out going back to the 19th century that,   my great grandfather   and my my my grandmother's mother in Wales was born in Wales, but she comes from, an an English father.   That's where the mixture as well comes in of,   of strong English genes. Even though immediately, there's only one line of, even though we all settled in England, there's only one   genetic line of English or fan.   There's obviously a bit more going back into Wales because it in the mining areas, a lot of people came from up from the surrounding counties in England to come and mine in Wales in 19th century. So  

[00:21:07] Unknown:

It's interesting, though, isn't it? Just going back to Melissa, you know, sort of the question to me, am I interested in it? Yes,   yes, I am. And just sort of pulling Gary into that part of the conversation, did he feel   slightly different   felt a tendency towards   other nationalities.   And for me,   that's how I feel. But I've never   I've never   explored that avenue.   I'm   Shelley would say I am probably quite suspicious, but, you know, speaking of Jude and somebody having my DNA absolutely   fills me   Yeah. It did. It's me, though. Of god. You know, it's like, well, what are they gonna do with it? You know? What happens   when they've given me the answer? What do I do then? What do they do with it then? But I I I sort of feel   that I am not true English. I'm not a true Brit.  



[00:22:07] Unknown:

And no. I've I've actually,   I've always felt a connection   to the land, you know, England England and Wales. But Yeah. Of this island. Anyway, and it's all confirmed. It's most of it, apart from 2% is actually from this this land mass, but and then the one next door, a teeny bit from next door. Yeah. But it's weird, isn't it, that you just inherently  

[00:22:28] Unknown:

feel that? You you just,   you know, have an allegiance   to something, but you don't know why. Yeah.   So, you know, it's like hardwired   into us, isn't it, via the DNA? And until you start looking,   you know, you don't really know why you feel like it.  

[00:22:48] Unknown:

I I think it's quite amazing that they can pinpoint it down to counties as well.  

[00:22:53] Unknown:

Really?   Oh, wow.  

[00:22:55] Unknown:

Yeah. They can.   Because I think they've done it from people who weren't so transient and, people who's it can,   trace their line back, you know, at least a 100 couple of 100 years when they did the test. Remember, you they they were obviously,   they've collected DNA to pinpoint to certain areas and, you know, that's it. Yeah. So is is there, like, sort of different  

[00:23:18] Unknown:

tariffs,   or do you just pay a one off price and then they just tell you everything they find?  

[00:23:25] Unknown:

There's there's a few different tariffs that can do health.   You know, what you you know, tell him by your DNA   if he'd want that added on. What what you're susceptible to, whether, you know, you got the genes for a certain kind of cancer. It's probably stuff I don't really wanna know, to be honest. No. I was gonna say I was gonna say I would not pay the extra. I just just leave me be. Yeah. Leave me be. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder how much of it is  

[00:23:52] Unknown:

I wonder how much of it is actual DNA versus   a genealogy   going back into the names of, relatives.   Because a lot of these places that do the DNA tests,   they have access to those   those records.  

[00:24:07] Unknown:

Ancestry dot com being one of them. Yes. I do. You wonder yeah. You you're right. Ancestry   has got the, you know, the probably,   the biggest,   scope of going into people's records. I probably so what you're saying is they could be doing a bit of guesswork there through the,   it but just looking at your records, your family records.  

[00:24:27] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. That's that's kind of the conclusion I draw.  

[00:24:31] Unknown:

Yeah. I know what you mean, but it's yeah. I mean, mine was all out there. I have been researching it, and I found it on those websites as well, but already distant relatives have already put stuff up, and a cousin of mine as well. So that's my family history going back a couple of 100 years is already   on,   Ancestry and   and other connecting websites like heritage and,   yeah.   I see what you mean there. Yeah.   So,   I'm sure  

[00:25:01] Unknown:

is just like fascinating, though, isn't it? Like family tree. I think I've probably told you this before, Maleficos, but, for the others, I was looking after a lady.   She sadly passed nearly a couple of years ago now,   but I've actually got in my loft because I can't just throw it away, but I've not really got much use for it. Her husband, when he was alive,   he did their whole, like,   genealogy thing going back 500 years.   And Oh, god. Yeah. And there's no   other family members.   So I've got this box, and he's done it in such a way on all these cards and everything, tracing right back. I should get it out and delve into it a bit. Like,   there must be someone, some long distance cousin or someone that would be interested in it because it's of no use to me.  



[00:25:48] Unknown:

Yeah. You're you are its keeper, though, Shelley. This is like me and that. You are its keeper, and you are keeping it for a reason. I'm I am certain of that. I was a keeper of a of a,   fuel stock cock out of an aircraft from when I was a kid till I was in my mid thirties. I didn't realize I was its keeper until I found the rightful owner,  

[00:26:07] Unknown:

You know? Oh, yeah. Yeah.  

[00:26:09] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. Was that that that piece of aircraft that you rent for United, you sent back? Can you briefly explain? Because I know some of the listeners have heard this story. I'll briefly outline it. So that's what got me into my historical studies, really,  

[00:26:23] Unknown:

but or or that's what may made me get into my historical studies with with renewed vigor,   I suppose, when I was in my early thirties. And, basically, I'd, there was an airplane to cut a long story short, World War 2 aircraft, a Wellington had crashed into the cliffs in Morgan Porth where I grew up. And my uncle used to find bits of it in the sixties and we used to find bits of it in the eighties.   But my I didn't believe my uncle until he came down to my house with this   fuel stopcock thing and it turned out it was a balancing cock. It was for balancing the fuel between the wings because all the fuel tanks, a lot of the fuel tanks were in the wings and as they used the fuel tanks up, they had to balance it out so the aircraft didn't fly funny. So that's what this little stock cock was for.   And,   it wasn't till years later when I actually started doing the research and all the plane crashes across Cornwall, I eventually stumbled across 18,   I think 18th April,   19 or 15th April   1945,   Mervyn Hogg crashed his Wellington into the cliff at Maldenporth.  

And, within 24 hours of finding that entry   in the,   log,   at Saint David Stow Moore crash log,   I was speaking to the nephew of the pilot,   and,   he lived in Canada, which is where Mervyn, the pilot, was from.   And   I ended up sending him over a piece of his uncle's aircraft. And one of the the most poignant thing, which I I can't say this without mentioning it, the most poignant thing about that story was the fact that Mervyn, the pilot's sister, was still alive at the time when that fuel stopcock went over.   And   she basically was handed it and   okay. Someone blowing their nose.  



[00:28:08] Unknown:

I think Joe's just got home.  

[00:28:10] Unknown:

Okay. He's just.   Yeah.   So,   basically, long and the short of it is is is one of the one of the nephews looked on as as the uncle as the aunt   was looking at this fuel sock cock, and he said it it was in it put him in mind of the elephants crossing the plains in Africa when they stumble across the dead bones or the bones of their dead relatives. The whole herd turns the the bones over with their trunk. And he said, aunt Wilma had no idea   what this,   thing did.   It was her dead brother that she was contacting with. And so that was a really, really important Yeah. I love that story. Of that of of being part of that journey. So you are that   that box of records keeper.  



[00:28:54] Unknown:

Should've told Jo to press the mute button. Should've done.  

[00:28:58] Unknown:

Should've done. You are that you are that box still here. No. Just said Could you mute mute, darling? Could you press mute?  

[00:29:06] Unknown:

The keys are jingling, bless her.  

[00:29:09] Unknown:

She's like, I'll be on. Sorry. I was trying to be quiet. I'm I'm in now. You're in your home.  

[00:29:16] Unknown:

I I remember that part of the keeper, Shelley. Yeah. You are his keeper. So,   there will come an opportunity at some point.   Oh, when he dies, somebody's somebody's gonna find it. Its keeper. Yeah. Even if your family become its keeper. It's it's something will occur eventually.  

[00:29:32] Unknown:

Yeah. And I I can back that up. I don't have a wonderful   historic story as you, Maleficus, but,   sort of my great grandparents   died probably 10, 12 years ago,   and, you know, everybody went through everything and, you know, took what they wanted for sentimental   values.   And then there was other stuff left there, and I'm like, you know, you can't get rid of it, sort of, you know, the same attitude as Shelley. You just can't get rid of that. That that that's somebody's life there.   So   I'm kind of just left with it   waiting for somebody to come forward so I, like you, can hand it over and go, there you go. I was just keeping it safe for you. You know, that is adding to the history  

[00:30:21] Unknown:

of an item, isn't it? Really is. Is that why you're holding onto all those extra hoovers and duplicates of everything you ate, Jeff?  

[00:30:30] Unknown:

Come on. Don't don't put my secrets away.  

[00:30:34] Unknown:

Sentimental   value is a is a thing, isn't it? And I mean, like, even though sorry.   Sorry. Sorry. No. No. No. It's fine. Even though, like like I say, that's got no sentiment to me. Like Maleficar just said, that's someone's life. And, I mean, I wonder how many years that took him   to put that together.   And if I just left that in the house, that would have just been slung on the bonfire. You know?  

[00:30:56] Unknown:

Yeah. Exactly. You can't do that. I'm going going through thousands of artifacts. I've got a storage full of it, and some of it, you know, you know, a fine example I said is my, great grandmother's   wedding ring.   Well, I've got all sorts of stuff of artifacts. I've got,   pictures going back to the First World War with great grandfather.   It was actually born in the USA, actually. Born in Scranton, Pennsylvania,   which was   a Welsh speaking mining   community.   And he came back to the U. K. I think towards   the end of 19th century,   the work was drying out there. And, so a lot of the came back to Wales. So he came back when he was quite young and then   fought in the   against the Ottoman Empire in the First World War.  

Wow. And I got yeah. With with alongside Lawrence of, what's his name? Not Lawrence Olivier. It wasn't Lawrence Lawrence of Arabia. Lawrence of Arabia. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know where exactly he did, but he was the only one I don't know what if it was a unit battalion, but he was the only survivor.   And I met I met him a couple of times before he immigrated to Australia because he he settled in Birmingham.   You should be able to get a fist in a hole in his back, like a dent in his back where he was injured.   Wow.  



[00:32:17] Unknown:

I've yeah. So I've got Gary, what? Yeah. When when was your grandfather or great grandfather that was in your grandson?   Great grandfather?   18/90.   18/93,   yeah, he was born. Yeah. Okay. Because that makes sense. They had a huge,   steel,   iron making blast furnace in Scranton.  

[00:32:38] Unknown:

Yeah. There's a lot of strip mining there as well in, in Pennsylvania, isn't it, of coal?  

[00:32:43] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, that's a big, steel   mill and,   furnace area for for making pig iron. Yeah.   They were built in the fifties or 18 fifties and 18 sixties. And I'm so that that makes sense.  

[00:32:59] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yeah. It it that was quite,   that was quite a bit of research.   Trying to find his, birth date, and I found it eventually.  

[00:33:10] Unknown:

Crazy. And it's funny what spurs you on. These these little these little minutiae that, you know, like you say, just trying to find his birth   date. Yeah. But it's funny what spurs you on to find out these little jigsaw pieces, isn't it? Yep. It is. I love it.  

[00:33:26] Unknown:

I do it. I'll actually I love it. But you could do this full time and get paid. Yeah.  

[00:33:33] Unknown:

I love a bit of research.  

[00:33:35] Unknown:

I love it. Yeah.   Oh, yes. So the one line going back to the church records go back quite a long time because there's the friend of the families   in New Zealand   who does who helped me with a lot of research because they do it as a hobby. Somebody's retired.   And they research my mother's,   father's   side,   to 1649,   one of the births   in Gloucestershire.   So,   that was quite interesting.   So,   yeah, 1649   was the earliest relative of,   of found. Not I found, but somebody else did for me.   Yeah. It's a record record go quite a way.  

[00:34:18] Unknown:

You summed it up a while ago, Maleficus, when we did a show. You said about, like, how many generations  

[00:34:25] Unknown:

like, it's only going back a few generations that were in the war and stuff. I can't remember exactly what you're saying. Yeah. I mean, the one of the one of the examples I use is is well, a, my granddad was born in 18/79,   you know.   So my mom was conceived in in his while he was in his, I suppose, mid sixties.   And then I wasn't born until my mom was, I suppose, in her mid thirties. So that explains the generation gap or or like when she was about 30 or late 20, whatever.   So that explains the generation gap.   But then I was reading a book by a guy called Arthur Beacroft who who wrote a book called Gallipoli, a soldier's story.  

Such a good book. It's only a small it's a really quick read, but such a good book.   And,   he was talking about   one little section at the front of his book was, why did we do it? Why we did it? And,   the reason he gave was simply that,   if you didn't do it, you you weren't playing the game. You were a rotter. You you weren't playing playing the game that the rest of the public were. And he remembered this is back in 1915. He remembered   his great uncle talking about the glory days of the Napoleonic   wars.   Oh, wow. And you just sort of think   that's 1915.  

So he's   he's   he's remembering   stories from his great uncle   harking back to the Napoleonic wars time. And then you suddenly think, well, actually, the Napoleonic wars, it's a similar   time frame. In fact, if it was his great uncle,   he had more generations pass over   a shorter period of time than I've had. So it really puts it into perspective that history is really not old and dusty.   Generations, we've been told to think that generations are, oh, they're only about 20 years. No. They're not.   A generation   is from, you know, father to son to, you know, son to,   grandson,   etcetera, etcetera. So, you know, and when in in terms of generations for my family,   it's they're quite lengthy generations,   you know. So, so it it negates the idea that history   was a long time ago. It's not. And and we were we were all taught in school to think that history was a really long time ago, and it's old and dusty, and there's not a lot you can do about it now. Just get through your exams, you know, blah blah blah blah blah. And then you you you do all that, and then you later in your thirties, you actually start reading history because you have an interest in it and think, hang on a minute.  

That was all wrong.  

[00:36:56] Unknown:

We've been lied to.  

[00:36:58] Unknown:

Yeah. We need we need all to do it quickly before   it becomes a hate crime.   Yeah. True. Yeah. Your family.   And we'll get on to that. Definitely. And now they'll erase erase all the records or something. I've heard something recently where they're gonna digitize   paper records and get rid of them. Where was this? Like church records.  

[00:37:19] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, this is this is this is the the problem, isn't it? This is where the soon as you allow   a man made entity to start start taking care of things that really should   be written down on on natural substances.   Yeah. You know? Absolutely. You know? I just  

[00:37:37] Unknown:

Jo, I don't know whether you know. I don't even know. He doesn't have a phone, Jo. This is Do you know? Malefika, that should be your longing for everything Thank you. For your introduction.   This is Malefika Scott. He doesn't own a mobile phone.  

[00:37:52] Unknown:

I'm quite envious of that. You know? You should be. You can just try it for just a few days. You love She couldn't do that. She couldn't do that. Yes. She could, Jo. It's fine. I don't It's fine. Look. Good. Good. Shelly, you'll hold your hand through it. It's fine. No. But Jo uses the computer and the phone to research, and I think that's the thing.  

[00:38:11] Unknown:

But the problem is when you're on it you know, because when you when you've got a lot of stuff allow it to distract you in any other way then, Jo?  

[00:38:18] Unknown:

Oh, I'm always distracted by it. Always.  

[00:38:22] Unknown:

But Jo is heavily involved in the farmers movement in Cornwall.   And,   Fantastic. Yeah. She is, like and all through the COVID thing, she was my partner in crime.   We organized the protests and stuff together,   and she is passionate, and she doesn't stop. She's like a I don't know. She's like a Facebook   addict, you know, but she speaks the truth, and she shares a lot of really good stuff. So she couldn't stay off. It would be a loss to the public.  

[00:38:51] Unknown:

But it it's sort of the same vein as,   you know, there is something kin it that spurs you on, you know, whether you're researching   ancestral   history   or whatever type of history,   research is research, and there is something kin it that you go, oh, I'll just look at this, and then that leads to something else to something else.   And that's what's, for one of the best word, that's what's addictive   that you want to find the answers. You want to know, you know, who's related to who or   who did what, who or   who money goes.   Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was talking to somebody yesterday,   and   it it was something to do with courts and law   that   they are now recalling   law books,   the the powers that be, Phil, are no longer needed,   the barristers   cannot   sort of, you know,   call up, you know,   the blacks,   you know, dictionary, whatever it is that they use,   and cite from it because   the powers that be have decided, well, you can't you can't call upon that anymore.  

And I'm I'm only using the black dictionary,   for example, but they have removed   so much from the legal system   that   that's now lost.  

[00:40:25] Unknown:

So You know? And that that's history. This is recent, is all made, because we haven't started it. Barrister is a prime minister now, don't we? So Well, he well, you know, he he's many things, isn't  

[00:40:38] Unknown:

he? But, he Let's not list them all here. Let's not list them all here. It's you know,   I shan't   say it through fear of, you know, the airwaves going dead, but it's very reminiscent   of   what started to occur in 1939   with the end   kind of brigade,   throwing on books,   getting rid of any history, getting   rid of   anybody's   sense of belonging or pride.   And, really, that's what history is, isn't it? In in whatever form it is. Yeah. Mhmm.  

[00:41:16] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean,   I I thought you were gonna go all the way back to the beginning of the Russian revolution and and what they did over there, which was, you know, in some respects,   just as or far more heinous.  

[00:41:27] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that that that was the whole entire bloodline wiped out.  

[00:41:32] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. But, I mean, that was that was because a certain group of people couldn't had had put out a blood libel on that family because   that family,   generationally beforehand,   whether, again, we're talking about generations,   generationally beforehand had stopped a central bank being set up in Russia. They put the kibosh on it, and that's why,   that's why that was undertaken.  

[00:41:55] Unknown:

Well, like you said, follow the money. And it always has been regardless of what period of time that you're in, you know, to coin the phrase, money is the root of all evil, and it really is. Yeah.  

[00:42:08] Unknown:

Yeah. Good point. Good point. Well You could argue greed, I suppose, but yes.  

[00:42:13] Unknown:

No. Both incidences. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna play a song because we're well over the  

[00:42:18] Unknown:

bottom of this hour. I think I've said that wrong. You always say that we're at the bottom of the hour. Like, I could never work that out because it's like we're not halfway through. It's where the it's where the hand is on the clock.   Oh. Oh, anyway. Right. Well, we've gone past the bottom of the hour,   and, I'm gonna play a quick song so people can go and grab a cup of tea   and go and spend a penny whatever they need to do.   I'm going to play a song called There's a Storm Coming,   and this one was written by my dad, Graham Hart.   This was written a few years ago, and   he really feels that there is a storm coming. If you listen to the words, I think you could agree.  

Be back in a few minutes, guys.   Bear with.  

[00:43:21] Unknown:

With. What you do and who you see,   where you're going, where you've been.   What's your number? I need your code   to scan your body and to scan your soul. There's a star  

[00:45:30] Unknown:

You  

[00:45:31] Unknown:

know? TF. All that. Your time has come.  

[00:45:34] Unknown:

You know, and I have to be honest. I don't This time you've done this Stellantis paper.  

[00:45:40] Unknown:

Percent. Percent. So   the majority of the population in the UK are   of being in there taking away the school sprints fuel allowed, so I'm not surprised that the tabloids are I know. Never heard. Jo. Jo.  

[00:46:06] Unknown:

And with this work  

[00:46:08] Unknown:

hello? Hello?  

[00:46:10] Unknown:

And you lot I could hear you chatting all the way through that, so I don't know if everybody else did. There was there was no music playing on radio soap. Really?  

[00:46:17] Unknown:

But But no. But  

[00:46:19] Unknown:

That's uncanny. Anyway, never mind. I just won't play any more  

[00:46:23] Unknown:

songs. No. Just just just let me explain a little bit of what happened there.   What happened? For some re some reason,   the radio software stopped playing on on the soapbox server.   But your music was going through, so we're your recording will probably have us talking over it.  

[00:46:42] Unknown:

Sorry about that. I'll just ruin my show. Why don't you? Yeah.  

[00:46:47] Unknown:

Never  

[00:46:47] Unknown:

mind. Makes it interesting.  

[00:46:50] Unknown:

Anyway, what were you saying? Sorry. Because I just went and, you know, quickly got a glass of wine. Kier Stalin.   Kier Starmer.  

[00:46:59] Unknown:

Well, the thing is for me,   for me no. It was me that called him Kia Stahlen. Sorry. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Slip slip Freudian slip there, you know, whatever.   The thing is though,   Joe, obviously, it doesn't it doesn't matter who gets voted in because they're all just puppets anyway. But the whole thing about him pulling pulling the the pensioners thing, that was one of the things he did to incite the public. The next thing he did was after all the agent provocateurs   had played their parts on both sides and misled the public as to what they should be doing in in the case of holding their politicians to account instead of going and smashing up their local town centers, yada yada yada, what they should have really been doing is holding   candlelit visuals outside their local MP's house. Yeah. Would probably have far better effect than as I've said probably a 1000000 times now. The you know, if I was that MP and half the city had turned up outside my house not particularly happy with the work that I've been doing, I would think twice about what to do on Monday morning. Yeah. And I'm not talking about just for any British lawmakers out there, not talking about threatening anyone or anything like that, but just simply letting people know that you're not happy   rather than going in and smashing things up. So this this all played out wonderfully into the government's hands,   in the respect they   I'm sure there is someone somewhere that provided all the agent provocateurs   on both sides   to to carry this in exactly the wrong direction. And then partway through,   Keir Starlin then said that he would,   bring in   he he he said that he would   provide money for more mosques all over the UK, you know, just to pour fat on the fire. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's all so Isn't that interesting? Done on purpose purely to bring in new laws. That's what it's about. And you know his faith and religion, Manithecus, or his wife's faith and religion?  

Yeah. But then I don't think, you know,   in some ways Jewish, isn't she? She's Jewish. She is. She's Jewish. She's Jewish. Make his children say. Yeah. It it would explain the government's stance on Israel. Let's put it that way.   You know, but anyway,   regardless and and I'm no fan of Palestine or Israel, to be honest. So, you know, to be honest, I don't think we should be poking our noses into anyone else's business. Terrorists. So, you know, it's it's almost like, which one are you gonna support? Because they're both no good.   Well, I mean, I'm do you know what? I don't care whether they're terrorists or not. We shouldn't be poking our nose into their business, and they certainly shouldn't be poking their nose into ours. So, you know, and and but the problem is is this this sort of enforced multiculturalism   that's been,   you know, put across   over the last you know, basically, it's it's it's given us a complete lack of cohesion in society. Nobody trusts their neighbors anymore. And do you know what? Everyone's plugged into their mobile phones, which reminds me of something that I mentioned earlier on the show. Did I mention I don't have a mobile phone? You may have done.  



[00:49:57] Unknown:

But it's interesting in what you've just said, sort of, you know, about the multicultural,   we shouldn't be poking our nose in.   And I totally agree with that,   but the flip side of that is in a positive manner,   the multicultural   people   don't want to be involved in it either. And I'll give you example. I was in Dubai at the beginning of the year,   and,   I was speaking to a taxi driver when I was going from a to b and sort of, you know, just trying to figure out how the locals live, and I was asking, you know,   what is their I think it's   Sheikh Mohammed, whoever runs sort of, you know, that county,   if you like, of Dubai.  

And, he said, oh, you know, he's a really good ruler. And I said, oh, what's his take on   to   family.   What yeah. What's his take on sort of, you   know, current world affairs with Israel and Palestine and Russia? And he said he doesn't get involved. His attitude is very much of it's not for us to get involved.  

[00:51:09] Unknown:

Still there?   You've all gone quiet on me. I don't know if anybody else can hear me.   Shelley? Oh, okay. You've come back. Don't worry. Okay. Sorry. We are having issues this evening, aren't we? We are. Never mind.  

[00:51:38] Unknown:

Who hosted the call out of interest?   Was that you, Shelley?  

[00:51:41] Unknown:

My opinion.   Not even me. Because for some reason, me and Maleficus, we can't communicate just ourselves now, so we put everything in the group chat. Because   whenever I try to call Maleficus,   it closes my Skype down and vice versa.  

[00:51:56] Unknown:

Yes. Funny that, isn't it? Really, really odd.   Really odd.   Well, I just think, you know, he's   he does right not to have anything to do with   look. We shouldn't be poking our noses into anybody else's business business because that then means we have to support one way or the other. Look at what we're doing, sending all these 1,000,000,000 of pounds over to Ukraine over the next few years, whatever. Yep. This pledge that we've given them. For what?   I mean,   and the the reason the reason I say for what is because   I know what it's for. Don't get me silly. It's just a big,   money transfer.  

But   what's your take on the because my take on the whole, Russian war thing is the fact that if Putin   and Russia were as powerful as they all make out and always the the Russian bear and blah, why didn't he go in there and get the job done   instead of turning it into a long and protracted war, which then actually sells off Ukraine   to his enemies?   Because how is Ukraine paying for this? People like BlackRock and everyone are buying up Ukraine at a rate of knots.   So this is the a case of, for me, one wallet funding both sides and just organizing a big wealth transfer.  

[00:53:08] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. And that and that's exactly what it is. As time   has gone on,   I can only speak for myself,   but I think those   and I don't particularly   care for this word.   Those are within the movement   are now beginning to   broaden their horizons   and actually see,   you know, it isn't   a against b.   There is no a and b.   There is one puppet master   that is controlling   all of them, that is controlling that narrative to make it look as if, oh, you know, we're gonna have Russia. We're gonna pit them against the Ukraine.   We're gonna have China start kicking off about Taiwan.   You know, we're gonna have the Americans   come in and say, if you do this, Russia, we're gonna do x, y, and zed. You know,   we all know it's just the stage, and there is one person,   metaphorically,   pulling the the the strings   and, like you said, to transfer the money.  

But that's the worry, isn't it? They're transferring it.   Where's it going? Who's gonna benefit?   Who's gonna be in control of it? How are those countries that have, you know, pledged 1,000,000,000 of dollars to   Ukraine and, you know, Timbuktu,   how are those countries gonna survive?  

[00:54:38] Unknown:

Well, I mean, that's the point, isn't it? We've got a massive labor force over here now. What you know, and how you know, and we we've got a lot of people. You know, we're we're downgrading all the sort of qualifications and yada yada yada. Dentists don't even need to be screened before they start practicing when they come over to the UK now.   So,   you know, basically, this is the wealth of the people paying   for a long and protracted war against Russia in order that, you know, they could basically   as I say,   how is Ukraine going to pay for all that money being sent over? Well, there's only one way countries pay.  

There's only one way.   We we lost our empire over this whole   sort of affair, if you like. Not that it was really our empire, it was the money lenders empire, you know, but,   yeah. And and and that's a good example, really, if you look at it, you know, the fact that Britain had an empire that the sun didn't set on until politically or financially it suited others.   You know, outside of Britain's interests,   it suited them to to start exchanging the wealth to elsewhere because, because, you know,   a little bit out of the front of my granddad's book, it says here, like,   well, may we repeat the question now being asked on every hand by all types and classes of people, what is behind all the   trouble? Is there some sinister organization that is engineering it for their own purpose? And if so, who are they and what are those purposes? Who in shorts in short,   benefits for obviously unless somebody benefited from the devil's brew of worldwide trouble that has kept boiling and bubbling, there would be none.  



[00:56:16] Unknown:

Yep.   Yep. Yep.  

[00:56:20] Unknown:

I who do you who do you think sitting at the top of the tree?  

[00:56:25] Unknown:

Can't say.  

[00:56:27] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, to learn who rules over you, simply find out who you're not allowed to criticize.  

[00:56:32] Unknown:

You know where we go with Joe.   Joe sounds like the word.  

[00:56:41] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, for me,   I would sum it up quite quite succinctly and simply simply by just saying the money power. It's the same terminology   that my granddad's era used, those like Nestor Webster and and and all that and, you know, AK Chesterton and and,   Rosine de Bonville, all those sorts of people, all just referred to it as the money power because that's what it is. We're we're not up against flesh and blood as the Bible says. We're up against forces and principalities.  

[00:57:13] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:57:14] Unknown:

Yeah. Which is why, really, we should probably have more of an interest. I know earlier you said, like, you don't really care about the whole Israel Palestine   thing, but I think that's at the root of so much stuff.  

[00:57:27] Unknown:

It is, but then the problem is is that because we don't have a cohesive society at home, look, you've gotta get your own house in order first. And to get your own house in order, we can't get our country in order until you've got your local community in order. And then your local community has got their act together and they they, you know, that becomes infectious to other local communities then.   You know? And but you literally need a grassroots pushback, but the problem is we've got so much dissent being sown in and amongst society. You got the Tommy Robinsons,   you know, inciting   inciting   these   things to occur and then managing to escape the country somehow, quite a bit. With his Irish passport. Yeah. Oh, yeah. His Irish passport, which still has to go through digital passport control. Funny that, isn't it? Yeah. Libby played massively.  



[00:58:16] Unknown:

I used to really like him as well, but I'm just so they've got you, haven't they? And, like, a big lover is also used to be Katie Hopkins, and me and Joe were only saying the other day about her wearing the t shirt of the on the same t shirt, but Tommy Robinson is IDF. Yeah. The IDF t shirt.   So you just don't know who to believe, do you? And I think they are. They're just calling the shots and causing this chaos. Well, look, the best way to to beat the opposition is to become the opposition.  

[00:58:44] Unknown:

That was a Lennon quote.   You know, again, the other quote I really love is is,   Roosevelt, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.   Nothing in politics happens by accident.  

[00:58:57] Unknown:

No. Very true. As I was saying   the other night, Maleficus, you know, all of this clearing out the prisons 5 or 6 weeks ago,   clearing out people that have been in for manslaughter and stuff, and then replacing them with people that, yeah, they've they've called them down. Warriors. Yeah. Yeah. Armchair warriors, but they replaced them with that, so to speak. Yeah. That was all a plan, and I think of, thanks, Patrick. It's top of the hour.   You are funny. I must come across as a bit of a bimbo sometimes, but hey ho.   Bottom of the hour, top of the hour. It all makes sense to me now. Anyway,   where were we?  



[00:59:36] Unknown:

Well, yeah, it's you know, What you're saying is you don't know who to trust. And is it there's the other the other quote that Andy Hitchcock always uses, which is the,   the, William Casey statement to Ronald president Ronald Reagan at the time William Casey was in charge of the FBI or CIA, 1 of the 2. And he said, mister president, we will know our disinformation project is complete when everything the American public believes   is a lie. Not some things, not just half the story,   everything. We're gonna muddy the waters that much that nobody knows where they're going.  

[01:00:09] Unknown:

Yep. Well, for those that have got an idea, they for those that aren't tuned in to the mainstream media   Are you still there, or is it just a silence? Just an awkward silence? Hello?   Hello? Hello?  

[01:00:25] Unknown:

Stop it. We're still here. Just an awkward silence. I thought it was a longer sentence. Sorry.  

[01:00:31] Unknown:

This is the thing. Like I say, when there's, like, 5 of you, and who's going next? Who's going next?  

[01:00:35] Unknown:

We're still on air. We're still here, but we're not on air anymore, just so you know. WBN is now running. Ah. It should have been Kono Connection.  

[01:00:44] Unknown:

But we can We're still running on Rumble.  

[01:00:47] Unknown:

And still running on Rumble. So We should be as long as,  

[01:00:50] Unknown:

I'm  

[01:00:51] Unknown:

still still playing I put it back. Oh, he's put it back. We're back on   radio soapbox. Yeah.  

[01:00:57] Unknown:

We're back on radio soapbox. Okay. So we have re just reached the top of the hour,   and, it's been a good conversation, actually. I love it where you just   it open up and, like, Gary's been doing his family   tree sort of stuff, and,   well, just always leads somewhere, doesn't it?  

[01:01:15] Unknown:

It's all about heritage, though. It's all about heritage. It all comes back to that.   It all comes back to it.  

[01:01:22] Unknown:

And a conversation can come across easy, really, isn't it? You things that are going on, like, I wanted to get in tonight because I haven't had a chance to speak to,   you well, anybody, really. But yesterday, you know, where I work, it's been decided that the home is gonna be closed down.   Oh, wow.   Yeah. So That's not good. It's not good. So where are these people gonna go? You know? And there's certain people, they won't make it. They won't make being moved   somewhere else in the council.   Their,   argument is that they can't afford   to do up the home, basically.  



[01:01:55] Unknown:

Well, I You know what that home will be filled with, don't you, once it's empty? Yeah. Of course. When it's empty, it's happening in in one trust, which I won't name, in in Birmingham. Right? It's only through   the care workers I was talking to when my mother was in a care home in Birmingham.   Right.   Basically, this trust closed down a couple of their homes. They're taking this over this trust over another trust,   and they   closed the homes, turfed everyone out, and they fill it filled it with ex prisoners, you know, drug addicts and stuff. And I and I think, you know, it work it it would be a matter of time before,  

[01:02:33] Unknown:

several other homes are done, and I think they'll be filling them with people not of these lands. Yes. Because they don't like somebody said yesterday, they don't have to abide by the QCs. Is it the QSC,   the Quality Care Commission? CQC. Yeah. CQC. Yeah. It doesn't matter for them, but it does for our people, so to speak. But what's worrying is that because there's no provision in Cornwall,   you know, the social sector is what most most of our council tax and our money goes on,   but they're gonna be going out of county   because there's no beds down here.  

That's terrible. It is terrible, isn't it? So we we've got 6 months. All the staff have been told, and   I learned a few things today because   6 months ago, when we were taking over with a new manager, we had a group of Indians that came on board. There's probably about 15 of them that work across the home night shift, day shift, and stuff.   Now when we had the meeting yesterday, one of them stood up and said,   can we please be a priority? And he's meaning this as in because they're saying they're gonna redeploy us or try to find us a similar role to what we're doing. And quite a few people were stirred up by this, which I get, but at the same time, I was thinking about it in bed last night.   I don't think they're thinking that these people actually their visa runs out in the end of November.  

So, actually, looking into it more, I can see that. They they live here. Their their children are at school here. They've settled,   and they have to pay a lot of money   to come to the UK to work. Now this team of people, like I said, it's about 15 of them.   A year ago, they were scammed massively with one of these companies.   They all saved up because they have to pay approximately £25,000.   Oh, but not just pay it, have that amount in their bank account.   No. I've got this wrong. Sorry. They do. They have to pay a minimum of, like, £25,000   to prove that they want to work in the UK, and then they've got their visa, okay, which obviously runs out as soon as they're not employed. Because the one good thing out of this is   that our government, I'm surprised actually,   they won't allow them over to,   take anything from our benefit system. So they've got to have savings and stuff like this. So, obviously, this man is concerned. But straight after the meeting, somebody said, what about us? Our families are just as important as theirs, which I get. Of course, they need a job and everything like that, but they haven't got 2 months pending that they could be kicked out of the country if the council don't find them a new role. And unfortunately, for these 15 people,   they were human trafficked,   going back about a year ago. They all paid this lump sum of money, and it was the council.  

I suppose they did something right for once. We needed the employees, but they helped to save the day, really. They took on all of these carers,   but it's all under, like, the whole visa protocol and stuff. You know?   But I never realized that all these Filipino people that work over here and stuff, they all have to pay to come over here and work. And then, of course, some of them are borrowing this money, from which I've been told   today, from not very nice people as well. So those that remain in India, if they've got a debt, they will go after the families.   So it's quite interesting   seeing how this whole system's made up.  



[01:05:39] Unknown:

It's all you know, look. I mean, there's there's one there's one problem with the system, and that's those at the top. It's not the the people that are occupying the system in between. But, you know, they don't know   maybe they think they're doing the right thing. I don't know.   They obviously do to, you know, to warrant coming over here. But, obviously, for us Brits and and us Cornish and and and, yeah, regardless   of where you're from in the UK, for all of us, particularly now, it's all being stoked to a head.   I just think that   that look. The powers of me don't care about these people that they're bringing in. They're obviously exploiting them to a certain extent,   as you've just outlined,   You know?  

So that being the case, the you know,   they they don't   they don't care what happens to them. They're just they're they're as far as immigration is concerned, I believe they're just bringing more and more people in to make up numbers to to to get rid of the cohesion   in society, to get rid of our heritage and our roots, or to to give that sort of perceived feeling and to use it   to bring unrest   into the country. This is exactly how  

[01:06:49] Unknown:

this occurred in in in Russia. Yeah. I agree. And and also that, you know, bringing over the, rivalries and things from their countries from you. I mean, you you seem like, in   in fighting between Eritreans   in Yeah. To share on the streets.   And then there's,  

[01:07:08] Unknown:

Hindus and Muslims fighting each other on the streets. So there's infighting. It's not just a simple us against them. It's like it's it's it's lost. It's a melting pot. But it's like that in work at the moment. And we've had a brief meeting this morning, and it almost feels like you see, it's getting to that point. It's them against us.   Their jobs are more important   because they're here on a visa,   and they'll lose everything.   Whereas, you know, we're not gonna be deported anywhere, but equally,   our livelihoods are just important. We've got families to feed, but for them,   they won't get any stake in the benefit system at all, which is good and how it should be. At least there's a right way with that, but I don't understand why it's so different. Well, then you pay your money, you take your chances.  



[01:07:49] Unknown:

Mhmm. You pay your money, you take your chances. And I'm I'm sorry. If they thought that they could be out of a job, then is that a risk that they did wanna take? Then maybe not.  

[01:07:59] Unknown:

But if their visa is tied to   work,   what's to stop them being active   and finding   a different job where their employer will be the sponsor   of that visa?   Because I presume that's what the government are talking about. They have said you can come   providing you have a employee that will sponsor your visa,   your work visa.  

[01:08:26] Unknown:

And that's the thing. I'm not sure how much the whole sponsorship is because they have to ultimately find the money. They could go somewhere else now other than the council,   and they could say, well, actually, it's gonna cost me x amount because we've got to be in touch with the home office and stuff like that. You know? Quite a complicated procedure.   Nothing simple, is it?  

[01:08:46] Unknown:

Yeah. Because there's just thieves and fools inhabiting the space in between.  

[01:08:50] Unknown:

You know? Yeah. I mean, I work with one lady. The Filipinos, I mean, they're such hard workers, and and so are the Indians.   And, one lady who I work with,   she sends at least 2 weeks of her wages home.   Their their lifestyle is horrendous over there. Yet when she was here a couple of weeks ago with toothache,   she needed a tooth removed, and she's like, I'm just gonna wait till I go back to the Philippines because it will cost me £20 to have these teeth removed.  

[01:09:15] Unknown:

She said, I can't afford the cost over here. It's just crazy. But then she's sending she says she's sending half of her money home a week, so that helps our economy, doesn't it?   It's crazy, isn't it? Half of her money home a month. Sorry.   Her family. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I get that. Yeah. I get that. But   she you're missing the point. That money's going out of the country. It's not going into our economy.  

[01:09:38] Unknown:

Yeah. I see what you're saying. Yeah.  

[01:09:41] Unknown:

It's you know, I just  

[01:09:43] Unknown:

Sorry. Go on. Oh, no. You go ahead. Oh, just just one last point on that fact. My mate has just left China. He had to leave China. He was teaching English over there.   He was qualified to teach English, but he didn't actually have a degree, which the Chinese government required for you to teach   overseas   over in China. So he sent off to China and bought a degree,   which they then accepted.   And he's been working there for 8 years. And suddenly the government have had a big clamp down, and he's he's now living living in Thailand.   Anyway  

[01:10:17] Unknown:

I I I'd like to chime in.   Go on. I I'll chime in on, on behalf of the Filipino woman.   The fact that, it's her labor   that benefits   what is going on in your in your country.   So she is giving something You're right. Yeah. She is. So so it's not completely just like one way where it's all being siphoned out.  

[01:10:40] Unknown:

I get that. That was a good point, Patrick.   I get that, Patrick. But if it was a British citizen, all the money would be staying in the country.   But how how was it for you, Joe? I mean, you're I'm not arguing. It's the empty side. You're also gonna say I was just gonna say about my mate who teach taught English in China. Otherwise, it's pointless me even giving you that anecdote.   The he he's now living in Thailand.   You know, he's he's got a healthy bank account over in China, but he's only allowed to take out 2 the equivalent of about,   $2,000   a month maximum.  

Otherwise, they will seize the bank account because they don't like more than that going out of overseas.   Mhmm.  

[01:11:20] Unknown:

Sure. But he did put in he put in his labor too, and and there are now more likely students that know English as a consequence of him going over there. So  

[01:11:29] Unknown:

that's a trade off at Yeah. Good point. I mean, what was it like to you, Joe? I mean, you know, your daughter is in South Korea teaching.  

[01:11:38] Unknown:

Yeah.   South Korea is   obviously more westernized.   Back in the day, it had a very big,   airbase there with Americans.   So that they they are sort of quite   Americanized   more than they are sort of, you know, UK or European.   She hasn't really come across and touch wood. She doesn't. She hasn't really come across any problems   in terms of,   you know, sending money home. Not as she does, generally, the other way around. Yeah. But,   you know, they they they seem to be quite stable at the moment.   But it's interesting   that,   you know, we're sort of talking about   work,   sort of visas related to to work, and, obviously, you know,   that is my daughter's.  

And I think you said, Patrick, that, you know, the Filipinos,   they've offered back to our society   via their work labor, and you also said that to Maleficos about his friend in China.   So that would be the same for my daughter that she sort of she's out there teaching. She teaches English and German,   so she offers that back to their society.   But the flip side of that is   I work in an environment   that is mainly within education,   and I also have a job that   subcontracts   to the company that I work for.   And   those people that subcontract to us   are the council,   and they house   what I would call   young delinquents   that they charge them,   I think I'm right in saying,   near enough   £500   a week, and that's all in for rent and utilities.  

But these kids   don't have the money nor the jobs to pay that rent,   so, therefore, they are behind in their rent. There are arrears in   1,000 upon 1,000 of pounds,   and the council do nothing about it. Because why?   We,   as a taxpayer citizens,   are gonna bail them out. You know? So   those kids aren't offering   or they don't even stand a chance to offer anything back to society   because the council aren't going, well, you're not giving anything back. You know? You're not trying to educate yourself, or you're not going out to get a job and sort of, you know,   pay back via your own labor.  

The council don't give   a damn.   You know? So that's very much on a local level, and then you take it up to   government level,   but none of them care.   You know? Let's that they just see that as another way of   bleeding,   you know,   let's say, the middle class that do work.   Let's let's take away all of their money. How can we waste   it? Let's waste it left, right, and center. Let's close down care homes. Let's put people out on the street. Let's leave people without jobs.   You know, let let's have ones that can't pay the rent, but we're getting it out of the taxpayer via the cancel tax. And then once we've got that in the coffers, we'll ship it up to parliament so then they can go and waste it,   make another pledge to, you know,   Kazakhstan, Timbuktu, wherever.  

Oh, yeah. Well, we'll just give you money for the next 5 years, whatever it is.   It all is, all in all, just a money laundering   exercise   on every level.  

[01:15:47] Unknown:

Totally. Totally. And you must have seen the post that I put up today, Joe. Other people have been sharing it as well. It's about the fines coming out in schools if you take your child out of school. Yeah. They're basically anybody that wants to live outside of their rules, you will be fined for it.   And they're quite hefty fines. I mean, it still works out cheaper to go even if you pay the fines,   but it still works out cheaper. But it's just another right. They're trying to take off people, and they class one day as 2 absences because it's a morning and afternoon, and it gives you, like, the little table of   because it's a morning and afternoon, and it gives you, like, the little table of what they'll do if your child's been absent for 5 times, blah blah blah.  



[01:16:24] Unknown:

Yeah. Next time, it'll be next time, it'll be via break times. So if it's before morning break or before lunch time or after lunch time, so they'll just and it'll be the same cost. So, you know, they'll they'll just increase the frequency of the payments. Yeah. What the what what the cost  

[01:16:40] Unknown:

To add to that, there is a county   upcountry   somewhere, and I wanna say it's somewhere around Staffordshire,   Birmingham, somewhere around that region,   that they have   invoked an old bylaw   that if you are caught   swearing   out in public, and I presume caught by some form of authority,   they will fine you a £100.   They have they have bought that law back. I read that yesterday.  

[01:17:13] Unknown:

I'm like that shot. I heard something from bad law. I don't think that's a bad law. Oh, but let me think that's But it's  

[01:17:19] Unknown:

just it it it's another indication   of how they are trying to   bleed   everybody   dry.   So when they throw crumbs, we'll all be so desperate, we'll take it.  

[01:17:32] Unknown:

Yeah.   That's it. Absolutely.   I mean   yeah, I mean, I when I say, I think that's quite a good law. It it would be good to bring some morality back into society, but I don't think necessarily bringing in new laws will do that. So I was just joking. Okay.  

[01:17:46] Unknown:

That's fine. Back to that that fine for homeschooling your child.   I one of the, one of the hosts on radio soapbox,   Joss from,   Sussex   was talking about how   he started homeschooling his children because of the lockdown.   And the way they were being treated at school   was so terrible. And he he had gotten one of these letters saying that he's gonna be fined. Well, he's gonna challenge it in court   and not pay it.   So there are people out there that are going to challenge it. Good. Good. I would just why don't you just deregister  

[01:18:23] Unknown:

your kid from school? Well, he's gonna do one more year. He's gonna finish his primary school education,   and I love that school, and I tell you what, he's done some amazing things. I can't really say if I felt it at the moment, but secondary school is when it goes to a whole different   ballpark, so to speak. So the plan is secondary school, he won't be attending. We'll be seeking alternative education.  

[01:18:46] Unknown:

Ballpark being the operative word, I I would say there probably.  

[01:18:51] Unknown:

You know what I mean? But yeah.   But it's something I've thought of, and I'm waiting for an email now to say there's a place, and I'm pretty sure that if there isn't a place, we'll just home educate. But if he really wanted to go and give it a go, then, of course, I would let him.   You know, he's gonna be 11 in a week or so,   but at the moment, he he does just about cope with primary school.   But I would like him to I think they have so many amazing opportunities and things that he's done that I think he would never have done if it wasn't with the encouragement   from that school. But like I said, primary school is a totally different kettle of fish.  



[01:19:29] Unknown:

Yeah. Absolutely.   Yeah.  

[01:19:31] Unknown:

Yeah. We'll just I've said it many times. I've said it many times. I wouldn't want to be a kid growing up in today's society.  

[01:19:37] Unknown:

Absolutely   not.  

[01:19:40] Unknown:

No. No.   My my most fearful thing was bullying, you see, because parents are quite sensitive. And I think now where anything like that happened, it'd be like, just take them out. It's just no problem. You'll find a way. You make it work. Their emotional mental health is everything.  

[01:19:56] Unknown:

Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And a lot of the time, the schools don't want to get involved because they don't want to get any marks on their,   and they report Offstage. Yeah. They're offstage. Yeah. I I found out myself. Well, my it's not my son, it's my stepdaughter. She was,   being bullied   and and, they just didn't wanna know.   School just did not wanna know. No. They just paid lip service. That's it.   So I took her out.  

[01:20:25] Unknown:

Well, when, when we tried to when we our daughter we took our daughter out to school. We do registered, and she wanted to go back because she was lonely. She didn't you know, she she missed some of her friends and stuff. She did just wasn't dealing with the sort of school environment very well. So we we negotiated with the school,   and, they said, alright. Yeah. Well, she can come back on a sort of   sort of part time basis. No problem. You know, this, that, and the other. And instantly, as soon as they allowed her back in the door, we're like, right. Well, we're gonna have to increase it. Mhmm. Because it's all about attendance, attendance, attendance. There was no there was nothing   there was no,   intention   to allow her to ever come back on a part time basis. And it got to the point where,   you know, they reneged on what they'd agreed, and we pulled them up on it. And they just threatened us with legal action. So, alright. Okay. Well, that's the way you wanna play it. Yeah. And we went down all the routes of getting CAMS involved in all these sort of, you know, child groups and blah blah blah. It it doesn't really make any difference. And the amount of funding that goes towards a group like CAMS in Cornwall,   literally, they are working out of a couple of porta cabins. There's about 5 of them. Yeah. And and and that's for every child in Cornwall with mental health issues. So no wonder there's just such a flipping backlog.  

It's it's literally lip service. That's it.   So, yeah, I I don't regret pulling both. We pulled both our daughters out in the end. My lad my lad drills through school. But,  

[01:21:52] Unknown:

Josh's Josh's daughter, the the thing that happened with her was   that but meant that, he he   the the final straw that got him to pull his daughter out was they had this rule where they were opening the windows because of COVID,   and it was cold in the winter. And she she wouldn't take off her jacket   because she was freezing.   And and the teacher met   basically gave her an ultimatum that she either did it or she would be punished.   Wow. So that's that's the kind of,  

[01:22:25] Unknown:

you know, this you know? Yeah. I I know treatment of children. Yeah. But I know what the secondary schools are like around here. There's been uproar about it,   and I think a lot of the problem for people is, like, they need to work.   It's as simple as that. They can't survive on 1 wage coming in. That's Yeah. It. But you have to be strong in yourself, don't you? And I think, do you know what? I'd make it work.  

[01:22:49] Unknown:

I'll I'll just make it work. The daily need for bread will force man to be our humble servants.   Yes. Yes. Yeah. Very much so. Well, look, talking of children's welfare and and, mental health and all that kind of thing, I'm gonna bow out at the bottom of the hour for this show. I'm sorry, but it is my daughter's   14th birthday today. Oh.  

[01:23:10] Unknown:

Oh. And what about your connection?  

[01:23:13] Unknown:

Well, this is we are into the connection   hour now. We are nearly at the bottom of the connection hour.   And, oh, actually, before I go, I I'll let you guys talk amongst yourselves while I go and dig out the 2 books that I found, Shelley. You're gonna love them. You're gonna absolutely love them. So, yeah, I'll hand just hand it back over to you guys for a sec.  

[01:23:33] Unknown:

Cheeky,   saying that he's gonna suddenly   disappear in 7 minutes?  

[01:23:38] Unknown:

He wants to get himself some birthday cake. Yeah. I don't blame him.  

[01:23:44] Unknown:

No. No.   So school, yeah, he'll be backed up with his little, update on his books, and then we'll have a a little music song. Is it gonna play, Patrick? Is everything back to normal?   He's taking himself off as well? Yes. It is. No. Yes. I was on mute. No. No. That's alright. Yes. I will, play a little song after Maleficos has done his little thing, and then we'll come down to the last part. Time flies, doesn't   it?   Yes. It does, Shelley.  

[01:24:13] Unknown:

Yes. Yes. It does.  

[01:24:14] Unknown:

Sorry. I was muted again.  

[01:24:17] Unknown:

No. No. So, like I say, 3 minute well, 6 minutes, anyway.   So moving on moving on. What have you been up to, Patrick?   Because I I think,   for those listening,   I interviewed Patrick quite a while ago when,   Patrick you were homeschooled, weren't you?  

[01:24:35] Unknown:

Yes.   Yes. That yeah. From the age of 12 onward, yes. I I chose to opt out   because just because of the just it's there's there's no benefit to going to these schools. You can learn anything you need to learn on your own with your parents and it's just   why not? Why not? And unless you have some sort of social life that you're trying to uphold, it's not   not worth it, not worth the time and not worth the the stress and dealing with teachers who are who are just like your foster parents while your parents are   missing in action, so to speak.  



[01:25:12] Unknown:

So did you take any exams, Patrick?  

[01:25:16] Unknown:

No.  

[01:25:17] Unknown:

So you just bumbled on in life. No exams. No qualifications.  

[01:25:21] Unknown:

Exactly.  

[01:25:22] Unknown:

All experience.  

[01:25:24] Unknown:

Yeah. Most mostly experience and, a little bit of, advice from my elders. And   you know what? I think I benefited a lot because it made me ask questions and not be afraid to talk to people who were my elders.   And what they do in these schools is they really get you to just think about your own age group and not associate outside of that and Well said that man.   You don't end up relating to anyone besides   people who are your own age   and wisdom and experience.  

[01:25:55] Unknown:

The most important thing about children in schools is their date of manufacture.   That's it.  

[01:26:01] Unknown:

Yeah. It's terrible. And I heard recently that they started doing things such as, like, they would have recess where the children would have playtime.   And instead of having everybody go out into the general,   with their with different ages and grades, they would   segregate them   by time scheduling it so that only,  

[01:26:22] Unknown:

particular grade would go out. Yeah. No. They brought that in over here during COVID. Yeah. Yep. Right. Wow. Yeah. And attendance, if you had good attendance, then you got to go on the bouncy castle   on the last day.  

[01:26:35] Unknown:

Or the, bouncy line. Oh, and then you get left out if you didn't. Yeah. Exactly. If you were poorly.  

[01:26:40] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:26:43] Unknown:

So Just just before I go, folks, because I'm I'm off at the bottom of the hour,   and that is Shelley.   50 West Country heroes, villains, and famous characters.   Right. Oh. And West Country Outlaws,   Highwaymen,   and Rogues. The author is a guy called Richard Pierce,   and it's been I think he's self publishing.   So I picked these   up today   at par market. Can you believe?   And there's another there's another 4 books in the series. They look quite interesting, but, so there you go. So you've got your connections  

[01:27:20] Unknown:

sorted for, like, the next 50 episodes then that you do? Easily.   That's like me with my, 101 Cornish people. Yeah.   Oh, there you go. Good. Well, you best get reading. I look forward to hearing about them. I've already got a couple in the in the bag anyway waiting. Good. Good. You are organized.   Excuse me. Alright. Well, mister Scott, well, thank you for your time and for joining us on your show. It's been an absolute pleasure.  

[01:27:45] Unknown:

Thank you, Patrick, Shelley,   Joe, and Gary. It's been an absolute pleasure. You're welcome. Thank you. We'll catch up to you, mister Scott.  

[01:27:54] Unknown:

Take care. Bye. Yep. You'll be good.   Bye. See you in a little bit, Jess. Bye.   Oh, bless him.   O to be 14 again. Right. Well, with that, and it's coming to the bottom of the hour, now I know what I'm talking about,   we are gonna play a quick song.   And   this song, I find the lady that sings it while she while it's playing, but apparently, when when I first started sharing this song ages ago, people were like, oh, she's not a good one. She's not. She's singing for the people.   People always have to find a negative, don't they? I like the words. I like the song. They  

[01:28:28] Unknown:

do. They do. Just That's that's that's like that's like Taylor Swift here. They they try to make people up to be bad guys when they're they're not  

[01:28:37] Unknown:

Well kind of. Taylor Swift, did I hear you correctly say the other day? Because listeners,   Patrick's brother is in a very famous football trip team.   What's the name of his football team, Patrick?  

[01:28:48] Unknown:

The Kansas City Chiefs. Yeah. And  

[01:28:51] Unknown:

his friend no. His brother's friend is dating Taylor Swift. Is that right?  

[01:28:57] Unknown:

The the quarterback on his team. Yes.  

[01:29:00] Unknown:

I have some pictures.   I remember. Yeah.  

[01:29:05] Unknown:

Yeah. And and, you know, there   there's gonna be all all sorts of controversy sometimes around people and, it's sometimes it's warranted, sometimes it's not. So you don't know until  

[01:29:16] Unknown:

you actually I haven't really looked into this woman, but I love the song. So I'm gonna play it now. We'll be back in a couple of minutes, guys.   You might wanna meet yourselves, guys.  

[01:29:42] Unknown:

I was dreaming   in my dreaming.   Well, of an aspect,   right and fair.   And my sleeping,   it was broken.   But my dream, it   lingered near.   In the far my   shining valleys,   where the pure hair,   rarefied.   And my senses   are newly opened.   I will wink in   into the cry   that the people   have   the   power   to redeem   the work of fools   Believe it.   Because the people   had their ear.   And the shepherds   and the soldiers,   well, they laid   off beneath the stars  

[01:34:15] Unknown:

That's one of my   favorite songs. Have you heard of her, Patti Smith?  

[01:34:22] Unknown:

Patti Smith? Yes.  

[01:34:24] Unknown:

Which one? Which song?  

[01:34:26] Unknown:

Sorry.  

[01:34:27] Unknown:

Sorry. Which song by Patti Smith?  

[01:34:30] Unknown:

Patti Smith, People Have the Power.  

[01:34:34] Unknown:

I don't believe I have, but I know some of her stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I was listening to a little bit of it. I've heard that song before. Aunt, so I didn't hear the track. So  

[01:34:42] Unknown:

Oh, never mind.   But she had that big hit, didn't she? Because the night were written by Bruce Springsteen or with Bruce Springsteen? She did she's done some marvelous work, but I can remember posting that song up when we were in COVID times and everybody was just all they were just sharing was the other side. Oh, she's done this. She's done that. She's done this, but I think a lot's to be said through the power of music.   Yeah. Absolutely. Have you heard of her, Jo?   Patty Smith. Yeah. You heard that song?  

[01:35:09] Unknown:

Seventies,   like,   on Rebellious, was she? They called her the grandmother of punk, didn't they, later on? Yeah.  

[01:35:16] Unknown:

Yeah. I've watched an interview with her, actually. I can't remember who it was with, but she just seemed like such a nice   hippified person. I could have a coffee with that woman. Gotcha. Good.   So moving on. Moving on. Where are we going? So what's   sorry. Go, Patrick.  

[01:35:34] Unknown:

I just wanted to make it correct and, Travis Kelsey is a tight end,   not a,   not a quarterback. Oh. That that shows you that shows you how much I I follow football.  

[01:35:46] Unknown:

Well, you are you 1 of 15, Patrick?   What's that? Are you 1 of 15?  

[01:35:53] Unknown:

I'm one of 16.   16.   Why are you the oldest of 16? Are you Catholic?   That's right.   How'd you get, Gary?  

[01:36:03] Unknown:

Okay. My my my,   grandfather,   my mother's   father,   he was a Catholic and he had a run-in with the church and didn't agree with the marriage because my grandmother converted   to Catholicism   to marry. And the congregation at this church,   this isn't the 19 forties,   you   know, still didn't agree with it. So we told them to do one, and we were all became Protestant Church of England by the next 2 generations.   So, yep, there you go. Wow. But anyway, the point is he had he had 8 kids. My mother was one of 8.   So something's about the church he didn't, drop.  

[01:36:46] Unknown:

Is it so your mom, I presume then, Patrick, is a devout Well, no. No. No. They're  

[01:36:51] Unknown:

yeah. My mom is,   but, my my dad and her got an annulment at a certain point, and then, she he remarried.   So my mom has 6 and then,   and then her some of the other the rest are different mom. Alright. Okay. So your mom your mom didn't have 16. I was gonna say. No. No. No. But there are there are women out there that are like Yeah. I used to have friends. It is it is like parents came from family of 17.  

[01:37:19] Unknown:

That's how many survived.  

[01:37:22] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. You're right there. That's how many survived. I can remember my granddad, when we went through, like, the notes down at the cemetery and stuff, how many, like,   siblings he had lost through starvation,  

[01:37:34] Unknown:

birth, and problems like that. Yeah. Yeah. That's quite common, wasn't it, before,   World War 2?  

[01:37:41] Unknown:

Yeah. And the good old contra contraceptive pill.  

[01:37:45] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[01:37:46] Unknown:

Not so good for everyone. But,  

[01:37:49] Unknown:

Not for the western populations because we're we're we're really are down there, aren't we?  

[01:37:54] Unknown:

Yeah. Isn't that the isn't that the irony of it? It's like the the one the one group that that that should be   reproducing   aren't the the well off and well educated.  

[01:38:05] Unknown:

Yeah. Typically, they're the ones that aren't. I don't think it's a coincidence.  

[01:38:09] Unknown:

But we find it all. But that's all, again, put up to the cost of living and stuff like that because, you know, my daughter's got 2 children. And,   again, both of them work so hard. I'm sure if money was an option, they'd love to have another one.  

[01:38:23] Unknown:

Yeah. But there is that, but it's also the attitudes of the 19 sixties changed. Everything can be the breakdown of the family and and all and lots of things. Would you say that was when it started?   I think so. Yeah. After   in in the sixties. Yeah. Absolutely. I've looked at this. I've I've looked Go on. Tell us more. Tell us more. Well, I've looked at it and and also at the same time,   after World War 2, they were they were bringing in people from the Commonwealth, and at the same time, telling Brits to go and immigrate to New Zealand and Australia for £10   because we didn't have the labor. They didn't have the labor in the UK, so we're sending you all out to the to New Zealand and Australia.  

Okay.   That was that. It's the,   you know,   popular culture. Tell me about the, free love and the, you know, the families. And then there was the pill brought in. Abortion was made legal.   So,   big pharma has a part in it. Food,   the way food has been   farmed.   So and there's one thing I've noticed as well is the   they keep saying we're living longer. I don't think so. There's a lot of men in my family have died in their sixties.   And also, you know, I'm just seeing people dying it all all the time and look at the old records I've been looking at. There were people in Victorian times in my family and and and,   living into their eighties. I'm like, hold on a minute. And they weren't particularly rich. You know? A lot of blacksmiths and farmers, minors. So,   it's just,   yeah, we're always told that we're living longer. I don't think so.  



[01:39:57] Unknown:

I think some of them from the older gen well, they would be the older generation, wouldn't they? I mean, my nan was recently she passed away, what, 2 months ago. She was 99, and we all said she lived so well because   she lived it well, for one, she never really worked a day in her life,   and they didn't eat any of the stuff that we eat now.  

[01:40:16] Unknown:

Yes. I'm saying I think life expectancy is shorter now than it was,   generations back.  

[01:40:21] Unknown:

Yeah. Everything we're eating and everything they're spraying in the skies.  

[01:40:25] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Don't don't stop me on that. It really are.   I just talked to him in the morning. I've got a blue sky, and then he and I'll go back and have a cup bring a cup of coffee out into the garden, and there you go. It's snorts and crosses. It's like  

[01:40:38] Unknown:

It's crazy, though, isn't it? That people just   won't admit to what's going on, and you're like, you only have to look up to know that that is not a natural   cloud formation,   but they they just won't see it.  

[01:40:54] Unknown:

Yeah. The other thing is as well, I used to think other than it could be atmospheric conditions, you know,   but for 2 days where I live, there was no aircraft hardly in the sky, and there were no chemtrails.   And I was watching aircraft coming up from, you know, an airport 20 miles away.   And, I was you know, that was you know, since I got to hide, so there's nothing coming out the back of it.   And then   2 days later,   you know, the amount of aircraft in the sky just spraying crap. We had a couple of days off from it with blue skies. Yeah. And in lockdown, the skies were lovely, weren't we? They we had Oh, yeah. Weather ever.   And remember that volcano where they grounded all the aircraft, from Iceland because of the dust in the air. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't know about that.  

Yeah. That was about oh, is it in the late noughties or was it in the Yeah. Yeah. Years ago.   Yeah. And it was beautiful, the sky. There was no aircraft at all. Oh, right. I don't I don't know. They're grounded up for 4 days. Right.   Because of the volcanic ash coming off, and I got to volcano in Iceland, and I reckon the dust will get inside the engines.   So for safety, they just grounded everything.   Wow. Plus most of Europe, I think it was.  

[01:42:09] Unknown:

Oh gosh. I I gotta say that the cost we were talking about having more children. The more children you have, actually, it it kind of levels out at a certain point, and it doesn't cost all that much more. You're you may be buying more food and whatnot, but then you're as time goes on, you have more labor to help out in the family. Yeah. I mean, I think it balances itself. How come  

[01:42:31] Unknown:

another reason why, I mean, there's other sections to society can easily get benefits. That's all I'm gonna say. And then maybe that   I I don't know.  

[01:42:40] Unknown:

Working on a farm like people most people did in the past, you have more labor to help out around the farm   and to do chores and that sort of thing. And it's just natural that the more children you have, the more labor than you have   and helping the future and especially like taking care of elderly parents. Yeah. Yeah. We don't have that many more people to help out.  

[01:43:02] Unknown:

Yeah. That's my go down. Yeah. But my yeah. My, grandparents, I came from, on my dad's side, I came from farm   farm stock, and they moved to the big city in world war 2 because there was no work.   I don't I don't know what it was. There was a lack of work there. So and the people were needed for the war effort in the industrial cities.   So that's how they ended up in the the Netherlands of the UK.  

[01:43:28] Unknown:

There's there's a point that I wanted to kinda bring up about that Taylor Swift thing, back to that. Yeah.   She she recently and and Gary might find this interesting because he works in the music industry Mhmm. Is that,   George Soros,   do you know you know George Soros? Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Investor.   Yeah. Didn't didn't he short the British pound at one point and and   was criminally prosecuted in England at a certain point? But,   he bought out Taylor Swift's back catalog   of recordings.  

[01:44:05] Unknown:

Really?  

[01:44:06] Unknown:

Yeah.   And wouldn't   he wasn't sharing the profits with her   as she felt was was fair and just. So what she did, and this is quite clever,   she went back and rerecorded every single album she had produced   that he had bought   and re released it as her version of it and sold more than the original   for releases.  

[01:44:30] Unknown:

Yay. I like that.   Yeah. Yeah. I like this lady even more, especially she gave a $100,000   tax free because I'd already paid the tax on top. So it was a bigger figure to each crew member on a tour. I think it's a couple of years back.   Truck drivers on the tour, caterers,   you know, everybody, sand people, lighting people,   bonus of a 100,000   US dollars each.  

[01:44:56] Unknown:

And it's really interesting that this this whole thing I mean, it's not it's a sad thing that happened to the 3 little girls recently   that were stabbed, but   that was for for some reason, it sticks out in my mind that it was a Taylor Swift dance class. Yeah. The kid took took mentioning that, didn't it?   You know? Yeah. They were keen to mention that. Yeah. And then not long after that, she had to cancel her tour in Austria   because of threats of terrorists   Yeah. ISIS of or some sort.  

[01:45:28] Unknown:

Allegedly.  

[01:45:29] Unknown:

Yeah. Allegedly.   So, anyway, she gets a lot of bad rap. I I I I see things online about how she's   the the love child of Anton LaVey's daughter   and that kind of stuff.  

[01:45:42] Unknown:

Really?  

[01:45:43] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. There's all sorts of crazy stuff that people are swinging, you know,   passing off as gospel truth when they have no idea.   That kind of thing just to discredit. And you don't know what what the motives are behind that. Like I said, George Soros recently had bought out her catalog.  

[01:46:01] Unknown:

So Yeah.  

[01:46:03] Unknown:

Interesting.   I don't know much about her, actually.   But I know because they they did mention her a lot to do with the murder of those 3 little girls, didn't they? Yeah. They kept going on about it. Yeah. Yeah. It was like was relevant   to the Yeah. Yeah.   And I wonder why. What what are your thoughts, Jo?  

[01:46:22] Unknown:

I think little George Soros,   vertically challenged,   has put somebody up to it. You know? I mean, that that is such a far fetched thing to say.   However,   you know, it's almost   the analogy of   hell have no fury like a woman's scorn.   If I was George Soros and then somebody did that to me, I'd be absolutely   fuming.   And we all know the you know? Crazier  

[01:46:51] Unknown:

little man.  

[01:46:53] Unknown:

Yeah. He's, you know,   a sandwich short of a picnic. So I wouldn't put it past   him   to to orchestrate   something horrendous.   And,   you know, it's it's almost like,   revenge is a dish best served cold. You know, there is absolutely nothing that could relate it back to him.   But in   the process of doing so, he   may be still, I certainly hope not, he could successfully   ruin somebody's career.  

[01:47:28] Unknown:

Oh, you've got such a devious mind, haven't you, Josie? Not knowing what Gary has just said.   You wouldn't have looked into it. I well, I would not because I don't know anything. No. I wouldn't. I would not. Always analyze everything from every angle.  

[01:47:42] Unknown:

Yeah. You know, I mean, that that's just one possibility   or the other possibility. I mean, there are many that it was a very evil, nasty,   I I shan't say the word, person   that that had just done that for whatever reason.  

[01:48:00] Unknown:

But I do a Manchurian candidate?   Sorry? Well, they say Manchurian candidates, you know.  

[01:48:07] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:48:08] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean,   how about that?  

[01:48:11] Unknown:

I just find it odd. You know, there was there was that incident not that long before,   all of this kicked off, and I don't mean to use this to as a pun, no pun intended, but they had that deal in the Manchester Airport   where the police verbalized   the, the 2 Muslim brothers   and their and their mother was right there standing there and he the jack booted police officer kicked him in the face while he was down. But did you say what the video before that happened? Yeah. I did. I did. And it's That's pretty nasty.   To me to to me, I I don't I I I kind of I see I did see that how it started up and he was trying to accost him. The the officer was actually the first one to move   against him. And he I think it was a self defense type reflects that took place there. It's when he punches out the female police officer. I think that's sort of like  

[01:49:05] Unknown:

through that. But but the comfort lost his shit, didn't he? He's a he's a spur of the moment.   And Yeah. He was caught on camera for him.  

[01:49:14] Unknown:

Well, and then it's just odd the timing of that because then it was, I think it was the next weekend they had Tommy Robinson do his rally in Trafalgar Square. That right. Thank you.   Yeah. And they just whipping up, people's emotions, getting them to go after people just because of their their faith.   And it's like, I I I saw that and I said to myself that there's   there's actors in the background trying to stir up things.   Absolutely. And it's all already, but, you know,   height of the summer,   people are   aggravated already and they're just stoking things, trying to get people riled up so that they can   do things like with, your, your prime minister saying they're going to surveil everybody. Oh, yeah. They saw recognition and all that. He's actually brought nothing pleasant as a  

[01:50:04] Unknown:

any of them in that since they've been elected. Nothing pleasant. Every day here in something they're taking away or the gas is bad. It's a bit Yeah. And pleasant. So what whatsoever. What what we went through here, I'm I'm near Minneapolis. I'm about an hour 40 minute drive from Minneapolis.  

[01:50:21] Unknown:

And   with when that all started, it was all stoked by the media.   They kept it going. They kept keep people getting riled up, making it into something big. Yeah. And that they had the lockdown   already. So people were already ready to vent   because of what they've they've been put through with their their, life situation.   So I I I see a lot of that being repeated with you over there   and the way they're treating you right now. It's just and then it's just convenient that   little,   you actually Lennon, Tommy Robinson Yeah.   Parted off   to Cyprus.  



[01:51:02] Unknown:

Yeah. On a holiday.  

[01:51:05] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Is he still in Cyprus, or is he moved to another part of the world yet?  

[01:51:10] Unknown:

Who knows? Maybe tell   for a hook.  

[01:51:14] Unknown:

I don't think he's posted anything because I do check regularly on Twitter. I like to try and keep tabs on him.   But,   yeah, he is. I mean, times at the moment I mean, you did a post, Joe, a couple of weeks ago where you really opened up, and you said you were just crying   because of how far things have got.   Would you like to elaborate?  

[01:51:39] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I'd I I remember putting it up. I can't remember.  

[01:51:44] Unknown:

It was something to do with,   Sparks me. I think the riots going off and, people   instigating it and people filming it. Oh, I don't know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It something could happen, so it took Bystanders.  

[01:52:00] Unknown:

Bystanders. Yeah. In rest of the year. It had it had taken me back to   the very start of lockdown,   and   I had   seen this   horrendous,   absolutely   horrendous   video   of a young girl,   and,   she was walking down the street. Naturally, it was deserted.   Nobody was around, and she was with her boyfriend. And the boyfriend had the foresight   to be able to record everything that then happened.   So she was walking along, and she had her mask   under her chin.   A police car pulled up,   was literally   barking at her to put it up, and she's saying,   no. I don't need to. I'm out in the fresh air, and I get asthma, so I need to breathe properly.  

Well, with that, one of the officers come out, no questions about it,   slammed her face   up against a brick wall, and literally   literally   beat 10 bells of god knows what out of her.   She fell to the floor. He then, like, put his knee on her back, and she's screaming. She can't breathe. The boyfriend is still filming, but, you know, very shortly afterwards, it stopped.   And I remember watching that   and just   literally   falling to my knees   and sobbing   because that was such   a sign   of what was gonna come.   And I can't remember what I saw a couple of weeks ago, probably, you know, the unease that we're really He was the bystander,  

[01:53:45] Unknown:

I think, that he was recording, and he got arrested. Yeah.  

[01:53:48] Unknown:

Yeah. That we're we're heading into now, and it and it took me back to there and, like,   that that feeling   of hopelessness   of,  

[01:53:59] Unknown:

oh, god. Here we go. To trust the authorities that you should be able to trust.   Yeah. Because the police return to them for for   when you need help and assistance. It's not something where   you see what's happening. Like in the case of George Floyd,   those officers were all trained by the IDF   over in Tel Aviv. They go on junkets   to be by their police chiefs and especially their police chiefs. They go off and they're trained in tactics   of how they treat the Palestinians.   You know, and like the people in Gaza,   they they treat, they teach these police   and then they send them back home to their home countries   and they learn the same tactics, and they apply it as though you're guilty until you're proven innocent. Oh, yeah. Which is the opposite of western civilization where it's innocent and for proven guilty.  



[01:54:51] Unknown:

Yeah. I also read couple of days ago,   and it it was sort of, you know, the the line of ascent was very   legitimized.   The when we went into lockdown   and the police were trying to enforce that,   especially in the UK. I don't know about anywhere else, but it was very much an operational   decision.   The police   were given   2 options   via the government. We would like you to do this,   but you're under no obligation to do it. And it was an operational decision that was made by the chief constable   to instruct the police,   you know, if you if you go out of your   radius of 2 miles, you're gonna be arrested or do anything like that. So it wasn't even as we all know, COVID and all the rest of it wasn't even a lawful event, but it wasn't even a a lawful act that they were carrying out. It was just something they decided that they were gonna do.  



[01:56:01] Unknown:

Yeah. It's like an act of desperation because   here in North America,   we had the Canadian trucker strike   Yeah. Where they because they wanted to enforce   it. They wanted to enforce a, a passport   that required you to have for the drivers, yes, to to have a show proof of vaccination.   Yeah. And that was like the last straw.   They couldn't handle it. And then that shifted then to the Ukrainian Russian war.   And that's when it all shifted because,   because they knew that if enough people started doing that and and it was a success,  

[01:56:38] Unknown:

that that would be how how it would go down worldwide the next time it happens. And they wanna keep that card open for when Yeah. Yes. So you're you're right. They sort of did, you know, shut that down, didn't they? It that there it sort of reached a pinnacle point where people were donating,   and then the the Canadian government traced everybody's bank account.   You know, they they basically froze their bank account or they did things to stop them getting back. Or anybody donated. Just died to death, didn't it? Then it just sort of, like, all went away because it's like you said, Patrick. It's like, oh, okay. We've pushed that one far enough. We don't wanna do that because, you know, we need to carry on and   execute, you know, the end   plan.  



[01:57:26] Unknown:

Sorry. You were gonna say, Gary?  

[01:57:29] Unknown:

Sorry? Has it gone? You were gonna say something just now. I was just saying the also anybody who donated, they froze their bank accounts as well, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. So it's,   yeah, it's bad.  

[01:57:43] Unknown:

And and it's quite   frightening   that these people have the power to do that. Oh, wait till it's all digital. I mean,  

[01:57:56] Unknown:

you know, they're excited the other day that all the machines I think Microsoft when Microsoft went down, there's loads of stalks where you couldn't you couldn't,   their tilt was down.   Yeah. Bring them bring them. Yeah. Hello? Crazy times. Crazy times. We will accept accept cash.  

[01:58:13] Unknown:

We've gotta keep cash going as we all keep saying. Definitely.   Well, we we've run out of time, guys.   It's it's been a great couple of hours   explained by.   So thank you so much for joining me tonight at Maleficos,   and, yeah, Joe. Yeah. Thank you, Shelley. Trick Shane. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. Take care, and we'll catch up soon. Bye bye. Thanks. See you soon. Bye. Bye bye. Bye. Bye bye. Wow. There we are. Another week over. I'll be back same time next week, and my guest next week is Blackbird 9. So that should be fascinating stuff. So tune in same time next week. Have a great week, guys.