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In this episode of the Shelley Tasker Show, we delve into the intriguing and often taboo subject of urine therapy. Joined by guest Patrick, we explore the history, benefits, and personal experiences associated with this alternative healing practice. Patrick shares his journey into urine therapy, inspired by a radio show he listened to years ago, and how it has impacted his health, particularly in alleviating chronic inflammation and heartburn.

We discuss the book "The Water of Life: A Treatise on Urine Therapy" by John W. Armstrong, which Shelley recently read, sparking her interest in the topic. The conversation covers the science behind urine therapy, its historical use in various cultures, and its potential benefits for modern health issues. Patrick explains how urine, essentially blood plasma without red blood cells, can act as a natural remedy for various ailments.

Throughout the episode, we address common misconceptions and societal taboos surrounding urine therapy, highlighting its potential as a free and accessible form of self-care. Patrick also shares practical tips for those interested in trying urine therapy, including how to start and what to expect.

This episode offers a fascinating insight into a little-known practice that challenges conventional medical wisdom and encourages listeners to explore alternative paths to health and wellness.

[00:00:59] Unknown:

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker Show coming live out of radiosoapbox.com.   It's good to have your company.   I'm also streaming live on Rumble. Just find my name, Shelley Tasker.   Today's date, Wednesday, 6th November. A memorable   well, a memorable date, a big day today, actually, for you Americans out there. And,   welcome to the show.   Got a great guest lined up this evening. We've spoke to Patrick last week and,   Maleficas as well. Maleficas might be joining us a little bit later, but after the show, we had a little chat like we sometimes do, and the whole subject of urine therapy   came up.  

And we chatted, and we're like, right. We should do a show about this. So   welcome, Patrick. How are you doing?  

[00:01:47] Unknown:

I'm doing fine, Shelley. Thank you. Thank you. I'm glad to be here. Good. And, yeah, it was a good good show last weekend. Yeah, we got into the subject because it's a subject that   kind of got me started and, you know, finding more about your dad show back in the day.   And,   one of the first, actually, it was one of the first times I ever talked with mister Paul English   or not talked with, but actually ever heard him on a show. He was on the Andy   Hitchcock show   way back probably   late 2017,   maybe early 22,018.   Right.  

And, yeah, that's when I found out about it. It was,   some something different. So that's for sure. Should say. Yeah.  

[00:02:33] Unknown:

But it's,   it's not as different as we might think. After we talked about it last week, and I said, oh, come on. Come on next week, and tell us about your experiences and what you know and stuff. And you said, okay, Shelley. You've got to order the book, though. The water of life, a treatise on urine therapy by John w Armstrong.   So I ordered the book,   and I read it all on Saturday night. I can't remember the last time I read a book in an evening,   but wow. Oh, is that interesting? It was fascinating.   So I've turned a few pages over and stuff, but,   yeah. I really enjoyed it,   and it's kind of got me on a little   journey.  

And then I was seeking out groups on Facebook and stuff, and wow. There's so many groups out there and so many people   doing it actually.  

[00:03:23] Unknown:

So Yeah. You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised if if all you you look at were, YouTube videos.   There used to be so much more until   COVID 19 hit,   and then it just completely they they use that as a pretext for   getting rid of all of that   that content that used to be out there. There was tons, and you probably could find an odd bit here or there but   for the most part it wiped it out   and a lot of the people that were involved   in promoting it   got hushed aside and just kind of went off into obscurity. So you don't you don't find too many people doing it, you know, talking   openly about it.  



[00:04:04] Unknown:

No. Well, it is a bit of a strange subject. And when I've spoken to it about a few people, they've been really interested actually. And my manager at work, she said,   well, why have I never heard of this? And I said, well, it's alternative, isn't it? You're never gonna hear about this   on, you know, in your normal medical setups.  

[00:04:22] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. That's definitely not something you ever hear about. You don't they don't teach it to you in, school.   You don't hear about it in biology or any of this stuff. Like, what what is it? What what is your what it what are we talking about here? And I I think you start from the beginning.   Every one of us   before we're born   are in our mother's womb in a sack of amniotic fluid and that amniotic fluid is nothing more than urine in its essence.   It's it's your it's essentially blood plasma without the red blood cells. If you can think about it that way. So we're we're immersed in that when we're, you know, just a small, you know,   after our conception and then up until birth, we're we're basically   living in it.  

We're we're living in it, and,   it   it causes   quite the atmosphere for growth and   your your   your body was breathing it in. It was just so you're surrounded in it and and then you're born and then you start breathing air and then you're   off and about, but,   yeah, this this it it's an amazing   thing when you think about it, but at the same time, it's become such, you know, a taboo. It's a taboo if you think about it. It. Yeah. How often   do people talk about it? How often have you heard about it in your life? And it's usually like in a sexual thing   or it's, you know,   nobody ever really talks about it. So it, it, it doesn't   It   our our our medical industry   is set up actually, I think, not to talk about it.  



[00:06:06] Unknown:

Well, I wonder I wonder how many doctors out there have heard of it. They probably not even heard of it, have they?  

[00:06:14] Unknown:

I think   some of them probably have, but never really   dig into it because it's such a,   it's such a taboo subject. It's not it's not something that   is   broadcast,   you know,   because it because it you you're doing with,   a topic that just doesn't in our society doesn't get covered, but you go back into ancient times   and even relatively modern times,   and people have been practicing this in tribal areas   for years,   and it's actually taught in survivalist   schools.   Certain people, you know, shipwrecked or or that sort of thing, you know, but when they have nothing left, that's what they turn to,   to to just survive. But   other than that, you really you really don't hear it in any sort of mainstream   type of school situation or just   conversation in general because it's it's a it's  

[00:07:16] Unknown:

a verboten topic. Yeah. Yeah. It's real taboo.  

[00:07:22] Unknown:

But I Yeah. And   and you can't make money off of it for what? For 1 And that's what I said to my wife, you're a society. Yeah. Yeah. Our whole society Why would someone can run off of money. Yeah. Why would they give you advice on healing yourself when it's free?  

[00:07:37] Unknown:

So,   yes. So where where do you wanna start? What did you decide to use it for, Patrick?  

[00:07:44] Unknown:

Well, I guess I'll I'll describe what it how I came to find out about it Yeah. Because that's Please do. Just my story.   I heard   let's see. I started listening to Jeff Rentz. He had David Duke on his network. I heard him and Gilad Otsman, who was originally born in Palestine,   talking and then I started listening to that to Lentz's network for quite a while.   And then I came across Andy Hitchcock   from London,   from near London.   He had a show and he was doing it. It was the Limeys with Paul English. So it was him and and, so it was Andy and Paul English.   And they were mentioning your dad's show that they had just he because Andy likes to do these rundowns of the different   different shows he listens to throughout a week. And they were talking about your dad's show that week, which happened to be on the topic of of urine therapy.  

And Andy found it gross and off putting and but for some reason, Paul was like, well, Andy, you might you might find it that way, but there might be something to it. You never know. They'll give it some some consideration   even though, you know, it sounds   really bad. You know? It's like, who who would who would want to who would want to do that for one thing because, you know, you consider it a waste.   Yeah. It's   but it it's actually   something that's not I mean, it's an excess if anything.   Anyway, so I I then I'm like, well, who's this Graham Hart guy?   I gotta I gotta listen to this show because he's talking about   drinking urine. It is like, wow. You you hear about it maybe in, like, comedy movies, like,   Adam Sandler or something like that or one of these, you know,   these gross out type,   films,   comedy films, where there'd be a situation   where somebody unwittingly drinks their own urine   thinking it's lemonade or something.  

So   so I'm like, okay. I gotta listen to this show. This like, give this give this a chance. And I downloaded it, and it was probably, like, early 2018   when I'd when this all happened.   So and it was a show with Bryzer. Bryzer was the one he the cohost of your dad.   And he he was trying to con to he'd been talking about it to Graham   for quite a while.   And finally, they decided to get this Casey Caban character   on who was just like a he was kind of like a   religiously advocating this on YouTube.   So when you would look up urine therapy on YouTube, you you would find all sorts of, Casey Caban   videos   where he's describing his his day to day experiences,   and   and he had just learned the year pre previous about urine therapy from a guy over in the UK called allegedly Dave.  

Now   allegedly Dave,   all of these people that are are involved in this seem to be kind of like I would call them new agey. Mhmm. You know do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm I'm not that way, but I've been around people like that. So I kind of like keep a keep I keep an open mind because I think there's something to learn from everybody wherever they're coming from.   So I I sat and I listened to this guy talk about it to your dad and to to Bryzer, and they were both Bryzer and hit and Casey were talking about it.   I just found it fascinating and was like, okay.  

So you're you're telling me it kind it kind of gave me some reassurance that if you drink your urine, you won't die.   Because that's the first thing. You think of urine, and you might think, oh, it's gonna poison me, or I'm gonna I'm gonna get sick.   But then again, it's like, if you think about it logically, it's like you see animals doing it, you know, and it's just kinda like weird when you see it. But   if you if you you're on a farm, you see you'll see it. You'll see some   animal take a take a piss and it'll puddle up, and then another animal comes and start drinking it. It's like, oh, okay.   So it's not completely out of the ordinary in nature, but   okay. So then I I I started listening to this   talk and he's basically saying that   he was basically saying that,   if   it actually has healing properties   where   if you have any sort of inflammation,   it, it acts as a,   a healing type type elixir.  

So, like,   for instance, let's say you have a lot of toxic,   what we call, you know, poison or toxic   chemicals in your system.   It's a way to kind of flush out your system   of all those things.   And the nature of urine is such, and I've gone on to to to study this because it's so fascinating a topic. I listened to them talk about it, and I'm like, okay. Well, I'll just try it. So I tried it that night,   and I remember   I just like this feeling of just warmth   and just, like, energy, just like a shot of energy, just that I didn't expect it whatsoever.   I I know I thought it was gonna be something I'd just, like, puke up or something. And no. It was actually something that just immediately soothed and calm calmed my stomach.  

Wow. And I've been dealing with   things, you know, chronic, I'd call it chronic inflammation, chronic   heartburn,   where you get you'd eat some food, like fried food,   deep fried foods, and you'd get this   acid reflux that had come up and give you a heartburn. And it's just terrible.   And I'd had that for quite a while.   And that sort of feeling, any sort of feeling like that just, like, immediately went away.   And I had this warm sensation   inside that was just like, wow. This is different, and I didn't expect this.  

[00:14:10] Unknown:

No. No.   Yeah. I don't I Do do you regularly drink your own urine now?  

[00:14:17] Unknown:

Yeah. Actually, I I still do. I mean, I still practice this. It's it's not,   you know, I'm not constantly   as, you know, you can you can go overboard. It's like any it's,   it's something that   it I mean, it sounds strange. Yeah. You drink your urine, but it's not something you do all the time because you don't always have the opportunity nor do you even want to   because it's also   acts as a kind of laxative.   So,   for, like, constipation, you're never constipated if you're practicing this. That's one thing about it. It's but at the same time, you   drink too much of it. You're just dying. You you'd be going to the toilet all the time. Yeah. Yeah. So it clean it cleans out your system. And it's, it's kind of a way to purge   all that   all the accumulated   food and all that stuff that you eat   throughout a week or you know weeks.  

If you if you do it to   to to I don't wanna say too often because it's not really a matter of too often. It's just   a matter of like   a balance.   I don't know how to exactly describe it. Yeah. Because a lot of our our health problems are because our digestive system is out of system is out of balance and we eat too much or we eat too much of the bad thing or not enough of the good things. And that caused problems in our just our mood   and, in our in our   bodies physically   and can lead to inflammation. It's just like someone who drinks alcohol too much   will will eventually develop ulcers in their stomach   just from the fact that they're always carrying around alcohol in their stomach, and it's not, your body's not meant for that sort of thing, and the the same with other types of foods   that cause harm to our bodies if we eat too much of it, like sugar   and any of these other things.  

So as a I would consider it more like a supplemental thing,   but it's also a regular thing   to to do   to keep   just your digestive   system   regular.   Because you can you you learn that   you can you can actually   make your body,   get rid of all, you know, anything in your intestines   more or less   with urine therapy. You can purge your system, so to speak, if you just keep drinking it constantly.   Mhmm. But but if you just kind of moderate it and just, you know, whenever you feel like an upset stomach,   drink it, it   it cures,   it cures inflam it cures heartburn.  

I know from experience that anytime   I get this feeling where I eat some food and usually it's food you eat that causes the inflammation,   typically like deep fried foods   Yeah. Yeah. Will will cause you to feel inflammation the moment you feel that if you drink urine,   whatever you,   you you drink all of it, and it doesn't affect you. I I mean, it doesn't do any sort of negative thing other than make you have to go to the bathroom   and get rid of whatever you got in you.  

[00:17:37] Unknown:

I mean, looking at lots of these groups that I've joined on Facebook and stuff, and I've I found that really helpful, actually, because the book that I read, the water of life,   he'd he doesn't really tell you   how to go about doing it, and it's like they could almost, you know, you want all the questions answered, and you wanna talk to people. And,   it it didn't entertain me, actually, that, you know, if you can't stomach   it pure,   dilute it with juice, it wouldn't make any difference.   Take it externally,   it will still work.  

And then I've been reading the things about urine enemas and things like that, and it's like, wow. This is powerful stuff.  

[00:18:17] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, the thing the thing about that is if you're drinking it,   it goes through your system anyway. So you wouldn't need   and and I'm also, you know, if   if someone's you know, I I   I wouldn't do that, but I I would just drink it, and then it goes through your body   quickly.  

[00:18:37] Unknown:

But for some some people, it's a I mean, for me, it was like, oh my god. I don't think I can do it. I just just the thought of it, and I've got quite a squeeze in the stomach.   And Yeah. I I did manage it for a few days, and I was doing it regularly. And then, actually, actually, a couple of days ago, I wasn't feeling that great. And I know some people would say, keep drinking it. It'll make you feel better, but I I just haven't done the last couple of days. And Yeah. Well, you I will start with Everybody's different.   Yeah. Yeah.  



[00:19:04] Unknown:

Everybody everybody's different and, you know, it's just a matter of what you find   reasonable   because you some of these people that that are in these serum therapy groups   are kind of unreasonable. They're like, oh, we gotta do it all the time. You gotta do a fast. You gotta drink nothing, but your urine for 30 days straight and fast and like allegedly Dave.   And I was just like, no, I'm not gonna do that. Sorry.   That's not for me. I I'm gonna eat. If I feel hungry, I'm gonna   eat. I'm not gonna do all these aesthetic type things. And it's   so   everybody's different than you. I would just say there are no rules. You make the rules   as far as this is concerned, because it's your own body, your own medicine, so to speak,   that's freely available   to you at any time you need it. And if you don't wanna take medicine that you don't think you need, then don't do it.  



[00:19:58] Unknown:

No. I tried looking at it when I was drinking it that this was medicine. You know? I've been   trying all sorts of things because of my gut health and my horrendous   heartburn and stuff.   And,   you know, I've taken lots of things like, cider vinegar and things like that, and they taste awful. And I would say that my urine actually tasted better than the apple cider vinegar. I know. It it's some it's something to,  

[00:20:25] Unknown:

now that you mentioned it, that,   it all depends on what you're eating. That that's what determines how it tastes.   And so you can, you almost naturally   become inclined   to the food that makes it taste better.   Can, because some foods do take, you know, make it taste   more palatable   than others. And there's some foods   and some drinks, some some of these, like, protein shakes and things that just make it taste terrible.   Absolutely gut, you know, like, ugh.   Yeah. So I I see I see a point. And if if something tastes terrible, then don't ingest. If your urine tastes terrible, then don't ingest it. But then again,   you should start eating something different than what you're eating if it tastes terrible.  

Because it's obviously something that your your body   probably it's probably not good for you.   Yeah. Yeah. If it does taste terrible   or you just need to get over some sort of of,   people get go people do get sick. I've I've gotten sick a few times, but it's mostly been things like fever   or or that sort of thing, but never anything like   like stomach problems so much where it's like, you know, you're   you're,   you know, the main the main thing is if you if you eat something that's not good for you, it   it it is a sort of a way to to   ease your stomach to make to make it   feel better.  

It's almost like your body knows what you need   and how much,   for instance,   your liver   has,   a gallbladder   full of bile   that is added to   whatever you digest   and it's usually used to break down fatty foods.   And if you're not producing enough of that or you're producing more than your body can produce   of that bile,   then you're gonna have problems.   And I think that's a lot of the cause of this heartburn.   And   part of the way that you're you know when you're drinking the urine   after you've done that, you've eaten some food that's not good, a lot of times this bile is added to your blood. It gets into your blood system.   And I   guess we should kinda back up and talk about what urine actually is.  

Because like I I was telling you about amniotic fluid,   what it is is   minus the red blood cells in your blood, it's essentially your blood.   It's it's your blood   blood plasma.   Like, when   you you you know how have you ever had blood drawn,   like like at a blood bank or a blood drive Yep. Where you go and they take your blood? Well, a lot of times they'll put it through a centrifuge   and separate the red blood cells from the blood plasma because the blood plasma keeps longer if it's not mixed with the red blood cells. So then they can   then if they need to give somebody dialysis   or a blood transfusion,   they'll add that blood plasma to it.  

And   that is essentially   what they're doing is they're they're   adding   back into the circulatory system   the essence of your blood, which is that blood plasma.   And what your kidneys are doing   at all times   is they're regulating the amount of blood in your circulatory   system.   So at any given moment, you don't have too much or too little blood running through your system that your butt you know, if you have too little blood running through your system, it has to work harder. If you have too much blood, it works harder, and it affects your blood pressure.   And, you know, it affects, like, dizziness, that sort of thing. Like, I I remember I stopped giving blood   because whenever I do it, I get dizzy and start to pass out.  

And that was many years ago now, but that's one effect of having too little blood in your system is you just   you get dizzy   and you you can't keep conscience.   So   what you're doing at any time with your kidneys, and this   this is,   important. Your kidneys essentially filter your blood   to keep the precious   red blood cells   in the circulatory   system,   and any sort of excess   can   out into your bladder.   So if you if you have too much blood circulating through your body, your kidneys   are taking that blood and pumping it through the kidney into the bladder, and then that's expelled, and that's how your body regulates   how much blood you have at any time.  



[00:25:18] Unknown:

Right.   Fascinating.   Yeah.  

[00:25:23] Unknown:

And   so, essentially,   it's not a waste. Like, it's not like food waste. It's it's something completely   unique in that regard.   Because it's coming from your your veins, from your   from the heart, from all the different places where your blood is circulating,   and then going out through that through that,   so that when you take it back in,   it goes into your   into your stomach.   And then if you have enough blood   already, your liver knows this because your liver really helps to determine how much of that   that whatever is contained in your stomach   goes either into your blood   or into your bowels.  

And so and then from your bowels,   you're   absorbing a lot of water too. A lot of water gets absorbed that way. And if you have   too much water in there at any time,   and this is kind of where it you know, like I like I was telling you,   drinking urine, it's one of   the the most effective laxatives out there because   you you   like like I said, I'm never you never it sounds   sounds bad, but I'm never constipated.   Let's put it that way. Could you you'd   and and I'm I've heard have you ever heard of this guy,   Mantek Chia?   He was an Asian fella. I heard about him on this London Real. Have you heard of London Real? No. He did an interview show.  

Well, he would talk about things such as blood, blood flow, and that sort of thing, and that and that was,   one of them was that,   people who are constipation is one of the things that ages you some of the most quick most quickly.   Because you you're essentially you don't have   enough blood running through you.   And I'll tell you another thing.   A lot of people are concerned about, oh, I gotta stay hydrated.   I need to to drink water all the time because water is gonna keep me hydrated.   When I   I've found that you don't practicing urine therapy, you don't need as much water   because it think about this.  

You're expelling a lot of this water. It's an excess, but you're bringing it back in.   So you need   a lot less water. So you don't even really need to be drinking so   more than more than what you desire to drink in water at any given time, and it actually   helps to,   you'll you'll never you'll never go thirsty. Let's get it that way.  

[00:28:15] Unknown:

Well, it makes a lot of sense when you put it like that, really.  

[00:28:18] Unknown:

I think god created our bodies in this way to kind of because he he cared about us, and he   he gave us this as a benefit. And I think it's kind of been taken away from people by making it taboo   and making it so that we're so reliant on these things we call hospitals   and medical doctors.   Like, it's such a neurotic thing to have to run to the doctor every little time you're feeling sick   and go see this this priest in white robes every time you   have a have a cold or whatever it is.   And   ever since I started practicing this,   it's like   I have so much   more disgust   for these people   who are   using their position in society to rule over us in such a tyrannical   way   like they did with COVID   that I have very little respect for them,   and I see what they're doing as   more or less like sorcery in the bible. Like  

[00:29:25] Unknown:

Well, it does say say somewhere and I'm just trying to skim through that book, but I can't find it. There's a part of the Bible that mentions it, and, you could,   transfer it as  

[00:29:37] Unknown:

being told drink from your own cistern. That's it. Sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah. There's a statement on that somewhere.   And then the the instance of the Samaritan woman with at the well with Jesus,   there's a there's a reference to to that drawing from the well.   So, yeah, there's there's definitely   biblical reference to it   in Proverbs, and I think it's another place.   But,   yeah, it's   Shelley, I   I wish I had a list of things. I I wish I had prepared a little bit better to give you a damn picture. You told me to read the book. I've read the book. Yeah. No. It's okay because I've got, like Well, I   Well, no. Well, no. What do you have any particular questions?  



[00:30:22] Unknown:

I don't have questions.   I've just pinpointed bits that I found fascinating.   Let me just read this paragraph.   For those that have just tuned in on Radio Soapbox,   we're talking to Patrick Chanel on urine therapy,   something a bit different.   Right.   Those who read that wildly known book, mother India,   may remember some passage therein devoted to the filthy habits of the native people.   Among the half superstitions   in its authorise pointed out was the belief that the waters of one part of a famous river in the North Middle India   possesses healing properties.  

People bathed in and drank its waters,   wondering whether there could be something more than faith in the cure is affected.   She had samples of the water analyzed by European analysts.   The healing liquid proved to be nothing more than a weak solution of urea   urine and aqua purrs.   So   people may be thinking it's a healing,   you know, a healing river, but when it's tested, full of urine.  

[00:31:27] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's that's kind of the the joke is, like, people peeing in the pool.  

[00:31:32] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bring it on now. I used to hate people peeing in the pool. And what I found fascinating with this book was that when people were too ill and and couldn't produce enough urine, they were drinking other people's urine,   and other people's urine was rubbed on them. You know, there's this book for for anybody that's interested, the water of life by John w Armstrong.   It's all of his case studies   on the people that he treated in his life for it,   And lots of them were, like, given days to live,   and, you know, they were given their own urine   and miraculously   made a cover, cured cancer,   all sorts of things, all sorts of things.  

And, you know, how people store it, the more aged urine, they've got the you know, I   found it fascinating.   They they would bring out their bottles of, like, really old urine and bathe the areas that, you know, were in trouble and burns and things like that. They reckon, like, within 2 weeks, the whole of, like, a totally burnt out foot was after being bathed and wrapped in bandages of urine.   It it all rebuilt itself perfectly.  

[00:32:41] Unknown:

Yeah. There's just so many examples in that book. Yeah. I would get cuts doing butchering when I was learning to do butchering   some years ago.   And I would get a cut and sometimes even a deep cut, and I would just put some gauze and soaked it soak it in urine.   Especially the older the urine,   the more the more it would sting,   but at the same time, the more effective it was at healing it. It would heal much quicker than I've had cuts heal in the past.   So I know it was working in that regard.   So the yeah. The definitely, there's topical   things   well, for instance,   if you look on certain moisturizers,   a lot of moisturizers,   they have urea in them, and that comes from urine. Mhmm. A lot of these high end   moisturizers that women use for lotions and that sort of thing typically typically women, you know, men do too, but not so often.  

But cosmetics and that sort Yeah. Yeah. Well They they they do. I did,  

[00:33:44] Unknown:

I tried that the other night, and I washed my face   with fresh urine.   And   I left it on. I left it,   because this set my sound awful   to anybody that's, like, really grossed out about this. But I left it on my face for a minute.   It it dried in anyway.   I tell you what, the next morning, Patrick,   I couldn't stop looking at my face   in the mirror because it was like I'd done   one of these facials overnight that totally tightens your skin.   And I have to I'm gonna do it again and take a photo. I'll tell my friend about it. I said I've never in my life I could just see   this tightness under my chin like a shadow as well. It was really weird.  

But,   I've never seen anything like that in my life. That was after using it on my face for 1 night.   So  

[00:34:35] Unknown:

Yeah. They they do that. They use they use it for that. The I'll give another example is horse horses. They take horses   and specifically   collect their urine,   and they use it to make saline solution for contact lenses   and eye drops.   They they filter they filter   it somewhat, but, you know, just more or less for color.   And,   you're essentially these eye drops that you get the Visine that come from urine.  

[00:35:07] Unknown:

Right. Typically horse urine. And it used to be that they used to drink a lot of cow's urine   back in the day, apparently.  

[00:35:15] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, a lot of this stuff, you would you look at some of the old medieval,   doctor's manuals, and they would actually have doctors,   would case test   the patient's urine to see what was wrong with them.   Like, if they if they were diabetic or that sort of thing, if they had a problem with with digestion   or whatever it was,   too sugary, too   too whatever it might have been.   And even the color,   because the color, you know, changes according to your condition.   The darker, the the more   problem usually.   The lighter,   the more deficient maybe in in certain chemicals or certain,   you know, food,   nutrients,   and that sort of thing.  

But there's a lot to it and   sit and go over it. There's a whole list   of things   that you can you can,   gather from it.  

[00:36:22] Unknown:

Well, people believe that even if you use it almost like a   homeopathic   remedy, just a few drops under your tongue   each day could actually   solve loads of problems   rather than drinking it if you didn't want to drink it.   But somebody's advised as well, to drink through a straw   and hold the straw as far back as you can.   It's not everyone's cup of tea. I could be drinking it and like  

[00:36:50] Unknown:

Well,   they probably say that just to alleviate people's, you know, perceptions about it. I   I have no problem, you know, with it with the flavor of it or any of that anymore,   except when I eat food that I shouldn't. And that's kind of tells me, hey. Stay away from this food. This food makes your urine taste bad. It's probably not so good for you.   Yeah. So it's an it's an indicator of that.   And but   you you mentioned putting it under your tongue.   I've heard this. There's a guy,   Andrew Nort Norton Weber.   He was somebody who talked with allegedly Dave,   and he was big into drinking   distilled   water.  

And,   I I don't know. Have you ever come across that notion that you drink distilled water and it helps your body to   he if he says alkal   you know, come alkaline   rather than acidic?   No. No. That sort of thing.   Yeah. Well, this it's a thing, and he he he had a beef with the doctor Mercola.   I don't know. You you know of Mercola, but a lot of maybe your listeners might know Mercola. Because Mercola warned against   drinking distilled water, and he saw him as kind of like a shill for the World Health Organization and all these different groups.   This is 10 years ago   now. But,   he this Andrew Norton Weber   has a video, and I'll I'll send it to you,   where he talked about his allergy to bees,   where you would get stung by a bee.  

People have to have these EpiPens   nearby to give themselves a shot so that their their air,   the   the, you know, their throat,   the glands in their throat will swell up and close off and block the airways   to the lungs   and can kill you if under the right you know, under the prop proper   circumstance because a lot of people who are allergic   to wasps and bees   have this happen. They go into the to shock,   and if they don't get treated right away for it, they lose consciousness and die because they don't get enough air because the airways get blocked from the inflammation that occurs from the sting.   And he was saying   he found out about this, found out through a sting that he had the problem, so he kept an EpiPen by him all the time.  

And then he had learned about urine therapy.   And   he had learned that   it actually   your when you ingest urine,   your thyroid gland   recognizes it and immediately it's almost like a code in a computer   where it tells your body   how to react   to whatever whatever   poison it is you've ingested.   Because if if you he gave the example, you could get stung by a bee,   you could get bit by a spider or a snake   with venom.   Mhmm. And then he said immediately after that happens, because it goes into your blood bloodstream immediately,   you urinate,   and then you take that back in,   and you drink some of it, and you hold some of it for your thyroid   to recognize it,   the what and it tells your body   what to do to as as kinda like an anti venom   Right. To   to that.  

I've never had it happen to me, so I can't tell you for certain   that it is effective, but that's what he said happened to him when he was stung by a bee.   He just took some urine,   little bit of urine, and held it in his mouth under his tongue,   and he didn't have the same   instance happen where his his his,   gland swollen swollen   up Excuse me. To block off his airwaves.   So   I thought I'd mention that to you for your audience's sake that   to look into that because   I've that's what I've heard. I've heard that it's a type of anti venom.  

[00:41:07] Unknown:

Yeah. And they reckon, like, a kind of antibody   as well for other things.   If you're low on a certain hormone and you're drinking your own urine, you you're effectively giving yourself more of that hormone.  

[00:41:21] Unknown:

Yeah. And and growth like, growth hormone is an example of that.   Like, you'll notice, like, your fingernails   and your skin and all sorts of things start to   start to look better, healthier,   and you have   you have,   less problems, less,   you know, for instance breathing problems   or   just   digestion problems   Like going back to acid reflux,   I don't have that problem anymore.   And when I do, it's usually because of something I just ate, and the moment I start to feel it come on, then I drink urine and it goes away,   And I don't have that stomach problem.  

[00:42:03] Unknown:

I don't have that reflux problem, the acid coming back up. Well, that's because it neutralizes it. That's the reason I really wanted to get into it because I was saying to you, I was I'm even thinking about having surgery because of my acid reflux.  

[00:42:18] Unknown:

And Well, that's when I was like, okay. I I'm I'll break it to you because   yeah. It's no sense of me being embarrassed because I'm kinda you know, I'm I don't tell everybody that   who   oh, yeah. Drink your pee.   I I mean, I do to certain people, but,   like, I don't I don't just go out of my way unless I see somebody really suffering. It's like, well, then, hey, you should really look into this. I mean, you're you were gonna go get this   ridiculous surgery.  

[00:42:48] Unknown:

In my opinion, it's ridiculous if if there's a weight around it. No. You're absolutely right. And I've had to explain this to my other half because, I mean, he hasn't really said anything. He he just lets me do what I want anyway.   But, I've I've tried explaining it. I mean, it didn't like I said, I did it for, like, 3, 4 days,   and literally,   probably 4 out of 7 times a day of going to the toilet, I would drink   so much. Like, I could stomach probably about 5 ounces, and I I was getting better. It was just like, just neck it. Just think it's wine.   But,   a couple of days ago,   I I wasn't feeling that great, and I do feel that coming home from work and then drinking   some of my own wee   turned my stomach a little bit more.  

And, funnily enough, in the evening, we went out. It was my son's birthday, and I I wasn't feeling great.   And yesterday, I woke up, and I thought I had a hangover. And then I realized as the day went on that, actually, this was ongoing from yesterday.   But I've said to you for a long time, I drink far too much wine   every night.   And part of me thinks I've I've gone through this, and maybe it's been enough to make me feel queasy and be real and say, do you know what? Let's stop the drinking as well to see   if this helps with the acid reflux.  

And I'm wondering how many days of that of not having alcohol in your system   will start to make a difference.  

[00:44:16] Unknown:

Well, that's that's another thing that you mentioned. I'm glad you mentioned that because I've heard of people going on urine fasts in order to cure   their alcoholism,   their desire to drink alcohol.   Because of the fact, of the way it makes your blood taste, you know, your your by blood, I mean, your your urine, your blood plasma. Mhmm. Because it affects affects your blood. Like, all all of these things you're ingesting   affect your blood   and   affect affect things like the flavor of it and and how how you feel. It   it has a lot to do with it, and people have gotten   out of the habit of drinking so much   by practicing urine therapy because of the fact that you then   you you lose that thirst for alcohol for I would call it that. Yeah. You you kind of you drink if you drink so much urine,   you're you're gonna be like, I don't wanna drink anymore. I don't wanna drink anything.  

Because you because it's like,  

[00:45:18] Unknown:

I'm satisfied with what I have, and that's enough. Yeah. It's interesting. On Saturday morning, I mean, I'm I'm the kind of girl. I need 2 cups of tea to keep me going in the morning, but   I did my first wee of the day, and I drank half of it. And,   my cup of tea, usually, I have 2, but I just about finished one. I've I wasn't really bothered by it.  

[00:45:37] Unknown:

So, Yeah. Yeah. That's that's that's another thing I've heard of weight loss. People losing weight   if if they're overweight by practicing urine therapy because it   kind of gives you that satisfied   full feeling in your stomach   where you don't desire to eat that extra bit of food. Like, I used to eat a lot more food.   I'd come home and I'd make a big rice dish or potato dish, and I'd sit down   and have a big supper, and then I'd have a lunch and, you know, before that.   And it was like, well,   you kind of lose that appetite   when you're practicing this because   it does fill your stomach   for a time.  

Mhmm. But it it's just enough to maybe get you over having that hunger   pain   in your stomach to desire more.   And I've heard of people losing like, that Casey Caban. He told gave his testimony about how he started practicing urine urine therapy,   and he just lost a tremendous amount of weight.   And   he was   down to a reasonable size eventually because it it you just you lose that extra appetite that makes you say, oh, I want another cheeseburger or whatever it is.   You you just it's a way to suppress your appetite   too.  

And or or for that matter, it can help you to build an appetite, a a reasonable appetite   to where you just you get used to   you know, you have it's almost a relief too. You realize that at any time, you don't have to worry about being thirsty   anymore.   That there's always that availability.   So   with with it, you you also get, like, you can it helps you to build up an appetite   to where you   eat, but then you know you're full because you've reached that point Mhmm. And you stop.   And and when because because when you're practicing urine therapy, you're drinking just enough after you learn how much your body can handle. Like, you don't drink too much because you you start to feel your stomach more and you know its limits. And it's so it's a way of   learning your limits and what you,   you know, how much you should eat and shouldn't eat. And   a lot of that too is, you know, your habits from day to day.  

Just if you if you do a job where you're not doing a lot of physical work and you're just   sitting a lot,   you you have a tendency to gain more weight, and I've learned that. Because I used to do farming work, and now I'm doing a lot more factory work.   So I noticed I started gaining a little bit more weight because I wasn't   working it off so much.   But throughout time, you've you've gradually learned   what's right, you know, what's the proper amount or the amount of energy that you need.   And I   I think a lot of this stuff, you know, they keep it out of the medical textbooks because   they don't want you knowing about,   healing yourself through your diet and what you eat and what you don't   eat. A lot of these   these doctors   don't talk about your diet.  

They just are treating symptoms   and prescribing you drugs   to to kind of satiate you Yeah. Just not   pain.  

[00:49:02] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I've got a couple of more, paragraphs here. I'll read a minute. This isn't what,   John w Armstrong. This is one of one of his friends who was a homeopath wrote.   This is in the book, the water of life.   There may be some healing force in the return of the unexpected hormones,   particularly the sex hormones,   which find their way into the urine.   There are cases known in which urine is taken internally for the sake of these substances alone.   There may also be a case made out for the return of the tissue substance, which is in solution in the urine.   Organic tissue may be leached from the vital organs   by means of the poisonous substances lodged there from the food and drink taken into the body   and also from the drugs and injections of medical science.  

It is claimed that by some   that these substances may be returned and used again in rebuilding healthy organs.   This is difficult to prove, but there are many cases on record in which diseased organs have been renewed by means of drinking large quantities of urine. More than this is more than this, it is impossible to say. The explanation which appeals to me more than any other is that cures are obtained by means of the homeopathic principle.   There is no doubt that although it is claimed that toxic matter in quantity   is not thrown out of the body in the urine,   otherwise, we would not become ill because it remains in. There must certainly be found in all urine, a homeopathic   or   infestimel   dose   of the particular toxic complex of the individual concerned.  

That must surely be beyond all argument.   If this infinitive   state internal dose is returned to the body,   an antibody according to homeopathic principles   will be produced and will therefore tend towards a cure of the condition.  

[00:50:53] Unknown:

So   Yeah. That's like what I was talking about,   Andrew Norton Weber and his his   bee sting episode.   It   it it is. It's like an infinitesimal   amount   is reintroduced back into the body, and it's almost like the it's like the principle of the vaccine,   the way they the way that they they actually they teach it.   In principle, it it seems to be   that's that it works, but at the same time,   it's   you learn you learn to   to distrust these medical doctors because they're not talking about the fact that if you   drink your urine, you won't die,   and in fact, you can heal yourself with without having to be prescribed drugs and all of these things.  

I   the homeopathic   versus   the allopathic thing, it's like, you look into ancient Indian medicine, the Ayurveda medicine,   and they talk about this sort of thing, about   using urine,   drinking urine, and healing healing your body and   growing strong   from a weak state to a strong state.   And another thing that I've learned,   probably even more recently because it's just kind of something I didn't think about before,   but   if you   a lot of   like the old, Greek texts about medicine   and that and and health, physical health, they talk a lot about your mucus   and and   build up in the in the sinuses   of of just mucus and that sort of thing that block your your airways because of inflammation going   on in your sinus, around your brain, around your ears, eyes, nose, and throat.  

A lot of that   can be cured   because this   by by the urine because the the urine,   because of the properties in it, has an anti inflammatory   property to it.   Like, you're talking about burns being healed and all these different things with inflammation being healed, acid reflux being a type of inflammation,   but your sinuses get inflamed.   And   I I heard I actually   I I remember hearing about this one woman   and her testimony.   They had some some guy who was practicing   a a yogi type character from the east, from India.   And every morning, he would get up and he would pour   urine into his nostrils   and hold it there.  

And   and then he would   basically ingest it and swallow it, whatever, you know, whatever is in there.   And it would click   according to her testimony, she started doing it. She found out about it and talked to the guy. Because she saw she caught him doing it and saw him doing it   and asked him why he was doing it, and she he told her about that.   So she started practicing it, and it would clear up her her airwaves   her her her airways.   And   so I in recent times, I've actually started doing that. I take one of those nasal bulbs, like, you take for a little child, little baby   to clear their sinuses because they get congested, and it's they sound pitiful when they're congested and they're crying.  

And it's terrible.   But,   so what what you do is you take one of those nasal bulbs and you fill it with fresh urine   because there is a difference, like you said, between the aged urine, it's a lot stronger   and is more effective   on   on,   inflammation, especially topically.   Like, if you were to wash your face with aged urine,   it's more effective than just fresh urine. Right. There's something to it.   Well, that's basically, it's like everything that's fermented, isn't it? It's better. Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. It becomes more of there's more ammonia in it at a certain point, which is kind of like a cleaning   agent.  

But as far as your sinuses are concerned,   to to get rid of whatever mucus is in there,   and   another thing I wanna mention before I forget about it. When you drink urine, you're actually helping your teeth   and your gums   because any sort of tooth inflammation. Mhmm. Yeah. People used to in Roman times, they used to brush their teeth with urine,   and they'd get nice white teeth. Like, I used to have stained teeth from drinking too much coffee.   And now I'm maybe get some stains, but it they go away,   and my teeth stay white as a consequence of of drinking urine. Right. And I suppose if you got too faint, gargle it.   Well, and that's another thing with the sinus.  

Now you take that bulb, that nasal bulb, you fill it with fresh urine,   and then you lay back on bed your bed, and you just fill your nasal cavity   with it up to the point where it comes up to the top of your your   nostrils   where you know you have too much because it starts coming out.   And you just hold it there for as long as you can hold it.   And any sort of mucus   in your sinus   will start to break up   because of the liquid in there.   It dilutes it Mhmm. And it breaks it up. So that if you're, you know,   you can't breathe out of one nostril,  

[00:56:33] Unknown:

that will clear up. Just snip some of your hind.  

[00:56:37] Unknown:

Well, you'd yeah. Take the best way is with   a nasal bulb and fill it up and hold it there so that it has the time to kind of, like,   mix in with the mucus. Mhmm. Sounds   sounds all of this stuff sounds disgusting, but it's just part of your part of your body, natural body process.   And   you'll get rid of that whatever is blocking your sinuses.   And actually your teeth, this is this is something I've learned about recently too, is that just above your teeth and the roots of your teeth   go up toward your sinus.   There's like a barrier between your sinus and the roots of your teeth and   it actually will help your   teeth, especially the upper, obviously the upper jaw   more than anything.  

Because it it's a way of clearing out the backside of that.   And if there's any sort of inflammation   going on there,   your teeth, it'll help to clear up any sort of inflammation going on with your teeth as well.   And   it'll heal and   help   inflammation,   you know, calm down   and repair whatever's damaged   in your sinuses.   And your sinus also goes back into, like, your pineal gland and your brain and all this kind of stuff, and also to your ears.   That's another thing. You can take that same nasal bulb and fill your ears with it, and it will clean out your ears really good. And that's   that's one place where I would take the aged urine   over the fresh urine is in your ears because   if you have any sort of infection   in your ear,   it will help to alleviate that. If you have too much wax built up Right. Usually that that means that you have too much   inflammation going on, typically,   because your body creates this as a way to combat it, to prevent it from becoming further inflamed.  



[00:58:41] Unknown:

Well, it's it's amazing that we've got a roundup, Patrick. We've done an hour. Yeah. Let's do another one. Yeah.   I mean, there's so much to know, isn't there? But thank you so much, mate. I'm sure I've missed something. But oh, come on. I'm sure you have.   But, no. It's been fascinating, and we'll talk some more about it another time, definitely.   But thank you for your time.   It's really appreciated.   And, you know, the recommendation of the book. I'll read it again. The water of life, the treaties on urine therapy by John w Armstrong.   Well worth the read.  

Right. Well, I will be back the same time, 7 o'clock next Wednesday, my lovely people. So hope you've had an awesome week, and hope you enjoyed the show. And, Patrick, thank you very much again.   Yep. Thank you, Shelley. You're welcome. Take care, my lovely. Bye. Bye bye.   Bye bye.