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In this deeply moving episode, we delve into the harrowing stories that have sparked the Million Women March, a movement aimed at combating gender-based violence and child exploitation. Our guest, Natalie, shares the distressing details of the grooming gang court cases that have shocked the nation, highlighting the horrific abuse suffered by young girls and the systemic failures that allowed such atrocities to continue unchecked. The conversation touches on the viral spread of these stories, partly due to Elon Musk's reaction, and the subsequent public outcry demanding justice and accountability.
Natalie recounts the origins of the Million Women March, an initiative born out of frustration and a desire for change. She describes the overwhelming support from women across the UK and beyond, as they unite to stand against child abuse and demand stricter sentencing and accountability for perpetrators. The episode explores the complexities of organising such a large-scale event, the challenges faced, and the powerful symbolism of women from diverse backgrounds coming together for a common cause.
The discussion also addresses the broader societal issues contributing to child exploitation, including the failures of social services, the police, and the judicial system. Natalie shares heart-wrenching stories of victims and the lack of justice they have received, calling for a national inquiry and systemic reform. The episode concludes with a poignant reflection on the historical figure Boudicca, whose legacy of fighting for her daughters' honour resonates with the march's mission to protect children today.
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Unknown:
Next. Next. Anyways, good evening, young Natalie. How are you doing? Hello, sweetheart. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Are you less stressed than when I saw you, this morning?
[00:00:10] Unknown:
It's it's very, very stressful trying to organize 1,000,000 women. I can tell you how much.
[00:00:17] Unknown:
Well, you I mean, I'll tell you what. The stuff you've done in the last week, crikey, it's well, I have great admiration for you because I know it's something that you're so passionate about. So you introduced this million women march. So tell us how you came to organize in this.
[00:00:38] Unknown:
Well, lots of people have been talking about for a really long time. They've been talking about marches for, you know, women fighting gender based violence and and one march after another but then obviously, Elon Musk, went. What happened was some random account on Twitter posted some of the transcripts from the horrors of the grooming gang court case and the judge is summing up and what people were convicted of and I don't know how but it ended up going viral and somehow Elon Musk came across it and he just just couldn't believe it. It was horrific. It was a little girl, she was I think she was only about don't quote me but I think she was only about 11 and she had her backside had been prepared with a bicycle pump. I'm gonna get very graphic here, And she was then violently gang raped for hours on end.
Four men were in her at one time. You can imagine Oh my god. 11 little a little 11 year old girl. I mean, any woman. Nobody could ever stand that. But a little child, I mean, it's not just the pain, it's the fear, the humiliation. It was just horrific and, and then as a result, obviously, thousands of British people went, well, you know, that's not the worst of it. Have you read this? Have you read that? It gets worse. You know, broken bottles and all sorts of horrific things we've done to these little girls and I don't think the rest of the world was so mortified and horrified.
How many little girls were involved and the extent of the cruelty and the torture. One little girl, she had been gang raped and she went to the police. She'd been plied with alcohol and she'd gone to the police. The police told her to come back the next kicked her out the police station, told her to come back the next day because she was drunk. Outside the police station, she was picked up by a car full of men. They all raped her, then they kicked her out the side of the road where she waved down a taxi. The taxi driver took her to her house where she was kept for about 14 hours and brutally assaulted.
It's just we've all been hearing these stories for years, but the rest of it, we've almost become apathetic to them which is horrific and it was only I think with the rest of the world looking at us and going how on earth have you allowed so many little girls, your own little girls, to go through so much and you haven't reacted and you've never done anything, like kind of a shame on you and it's made sort of the British people go yeah you're right, shame on us, I do, I feel really ashamed and it's not just that, it was the beautiful little girl Sara, a little Muslim girl, last month her parents were finally given life sentence for you know, 10 years of brutal torture.
[00:04:03] Unknown:
Is this the lady this the young girl who her father
[00:04:07] Unknown:
fled back to wherever he came from and then made the phone call? Right. That's right. They went on the run but the the extent of her torture was horrific you know tied by her ankles to radiators, burnt with an iron. I mean I just cried my eyes out when I heard the judges summing up and you know we then there was, you know, we've seen case after case after case of people that walk away scot free from downloading and sharing category a child abuse images almost like they're a victimless crime. You know, these aren't cartoons. There is a child being brutally abused somewhere.
There was being created of them. And can you imagine if you if your abuse was filmed and out on the Internet forever for the whole world to witness and replay over and over again and take some sort of bizarre gratification from the worst thing that could possibly ever happen to you and then the people that have paid for it and therefore facilitated it and created a market for your torture just walk away with the suspended sentence, Hubert Edwards being one of them and I think it's just thing after thing after thing after thing it's just the British public from all backgrounds I've just had enough and the feeling after Musk sort of shared this horrific transcript was that that's it. That was breaking point, you know, it wasn't that long ago we had Southport.
It's it was just a national feeling of there comes a point where we have to do something to tell all of the governments, all of the us whoever it is, we now stand united and we're not gonna tolerate the abuse of any child from any predator whatsoever. And, so I was banging away about it on, on x and I was trying to encourage some big accounts to do some sort of unified march and say, you know, we need to also down our politics and down our sort of left right tribalist mentality now and stand together. And, nobody wanted to do it and then quite a few people were like, why don't you do it? So I kind of went, well, I will then. And it gained enormous amount. Then I sort of went to bed and I sort of put post out saying who wants to sort of get involved in a, you know, a march.
Can you imagine the powerful I was just sort of talking out loud. Can you imagine the powerful optics of like a 1000000 women in the center of London saying, you know, we're not tolerating this anymore. And I woke up in the morning and my phone had gone crazy overnight and just it took off, it took on a life of its own, and then one of the things that kept coming up is, you know, there's no way I could get to London, it's a shame there's not one in Glasgow or it's a shame there's not one in Cardiff or so we were so I was just like well create your own, why don't we all just do one on the same day? And people were like, yeah we need to organize this, this needs to be a national thing and it's just literally taken off on its own. It's beyond me now.
It's now the London March is now, being really organized. I mean, I'm I'm obviously involved, but I mean, some of the people that have stepped up to take over things like stewarding and security and police liaison and organizing and security and all of the logistics, people that have been involved in so many different marches and protests themselves of all different sides of the spectrum, you'll have people that are sort of considered right and people that are considered left and, people from different ethnicities and religions and they're all just working together, to create something and it's really taken my breath away and it's spreading now throughout the country, people in Ireland have said well can we do this because they have a serious issue in Ireland where little girls are just going missing all over the place just children are just disappearing off the face of the children that were supposed to have been put in the care home or put into foster care have just disappeared off the face of the earth. Nobody's answering any questions. Is it mainly girls or boys as well? Both. Any children that have been placed forcibly taken from their parents and forcibly put into the care system have just disappeared off the face of the universe and, the Irish universe and, the Irish government won't answer any questions about it and the same as the UK government if people say where have all these children gone they're accused of being far right or having an ulterior motive and, last year the University of Dublin, started digging into I don't know why it came up on on their radar but they started to look at I think it's called Tesla which is like the Irish version of social services and they found that little girls that were being forcibly removed from their home and forcibly put into the care system in unsupervised houses were being sex trafficked by gangs of men into hotels all over Ireland.
But they wrote this 500 page report on the horrific CSA and trafficking of little girls in Ireland but it didn't mention one single thing about who the men were. Is it the Catholic church? Is it Muslim gangs same as the UK? Is it no, they just wouldn't mention it. They that. But nobody was prepared to have a conversation, we still don't know, they've never said who it is. So obviously, the 1,000,000 Women March now, people have said can we have one in Ireland, they're talking about setting 1 up in Australia on the same day, people are talking about setting them up in Canada, they've got a similar situation, all over America people are saying they'll have one in solidarity, I don't know if that's gonna happen now because of the LA fires, But, you know, it's really it's really taken off and it's really touched me that actually when push comes to shove, people can unite over something really important.
[00:11:10] Unknown:
I can't believe I mean, this was was this Saturday that you, like right. You made it official?
[00:11:17] Unknown:
Yeah. I think so.
[00:11:19] Unknown:
Saturday and, you know, being active in COVID times and stuff like that. Obviously, we would organize protests and things like that, and we've had rallies for the children and stuff like that. But I've never seen the amount of interest and input from women out there wanting to be a part of it. Yeah. It's just gone crazy.
[00:11:39] Unknown:
I know. I'm wanting to leave their politics at the door as well. Yeah. Want them to just stand together, you know, that we've got hopefully we've got, some Sikh ladies coming along, because a lot of, Sikh girls have been, you know, forced into marriage or they have been victim to grooming gangs. Sikh girls were often targeted by the same grooming gangs. There hopefully we have like some Nigerian ladies coming along that have concerns about child welfare let's not forget beautiful little Victoria Klimby and what she went through I don't know if you remember that case. No. I was a little girl I can barely talk about because it's heartbreaking lovely little girl and her parents were in I think Nigeria they sent her to the UK for a better life with like an aunt like a mum's best friend who was living here but that woman and her boyfriend they just tortured her to death they starved her they beat her she was, her little broken body was found in a bath with a bin inside a bin bag up to her neck so she would, she had been living basically in a bin bag to stop her making a mess or it was just, then we have baby pee you know there's so many, this is something that all women you know when you've, when all women can get behind, you know, when mum of theirs, you know, if if I, any woman that saw a child being harmed would stand and they you know and it just it's just really taken my breath away how many women have decided to stand up and stand together and unify there have been, a few issues.
[00:13:39] Unknown:
Yes I was I was going to mention that we've, and I mean, on the actual Facebook page for those looking, it does actually say it's got the rules. It's got the outlines. It's got the questions. And, I mean, on this page, since Saturday, you've got, what, 3,200 followers. That's just on that main page. That's not including all the other pages for, like, million women March, Cornwall, and stuff like that. What I suppose the main question that I've heard that people are, like, seething about, which I don't get really because it's a a million women march is simple. If they've done a million men march, so be it. Would we be kicking off? I don't know. But people want to know, why can't the men get involved? So come on, Nat. Tell us. Well, I mean,
[00:14:30] Unknown:
firstly, it was just first of all, it started, as I said, kind of by accident. So it was like the million women march. You know, it sort of rolled off the tongue and we just thought that the power the optics would be incredible, you know. We've seen so many marches especially over the last few years that have been misconstrued in the media and things like that. And we just thought if we can get a million women together, you know, or, you know, at least near that and they're all stood together all different, you know, colors and whatnot and, you know, stood united, it would be a very powerful optic in the media so that the government would have to take us seriously.
Obviously, if you start then inviting men, you walk down the optics. Then, obviously, who who comes? You know? It's like there's a lot of, a lot of females that are survivors of, extreme, you know, some of the grooming gangs and things like that. And they have suffered lifelong terrible mental health issues and trauma and things, and they didn't really want to be around men, then we were like, well, if we include men, then then what's going to happen to women of faith? You know, if somebody is Muslim for example and they wanna stand with us because it also affects their own community, they might not be able to come. It was just because it started becoming very complicated the more people we try to include.
So we just kept that one banner. And what we've said is that also we recognize we we do absolutely recognize that men as much as females, as children will be survivors. You know, the statistics are there. Men are survivors or victims of child exploitation as children. You know child abuse happens to boys and girls and we do recognize that and we also recognize that there are countless thousands of dads out there that have been desperately trying to protect their children and they've been unable to you know, it can be the father of, a little girl that was groomed and trafficked. You know, there's been countless, things coming out this week about the amount of dads that tried to rescue their little girls from being trafficked, and they were arrested despite their daughters being literally one dad said he he got a call to say that his little girl was being gang raped in a house and he turned up and he was, like, trying to get to his little girl and the police turned up and they arrested him, not any of the men that were raping his daughter.
So
[00:17:34] Unknown:
so the police is They're right off then. The Oh, I mean, the whole whole system, we know it. It's corrupt. It's corrupt to well, corrupt to bits. Every every aspect of it is entirely corrupt, and everybody is covering their own arse. Everyone's passing the buck and nobody wants to deal with it. Why do you think they wanna get don't wanna get involved? Because they're complicit,
[00:18:01] Unknown:
I think. You you think that They're they're totally incompetent. Either they there's only 3 options, really. Either they are totally and utterly incompetent. And as we are paying they're in the public sector. We, as taxpayers, are paying their wages. So either they're totally incompetent and have not been doing their job properly, whereby as we as their employer, as such, as the public, we demand like, can you imagine a private company with tens of thousands of staff that were utterly inept at their job? They have one job to do, and they can't do it, and the company will go bust.
It wouldn't be accepted in the public sector in the private sector, but it seems to have been allowed in the public sector. And we pay the way we are the employer, the the British public taxpayer. We're the employer. And we pay for services, and we pay enormous amount of tax, and we expect that money to to go on very important things like child welfare. And with that public power is abused and not used properly and being paying wages of people who can't do their job properly, then we're entitled to know. That's the the basics. It doesn't matter what it is, whether it's the NHS or whatever. If the British people are paying for a public service from their hard earned cash every month and that public service has been totally defunct and inept for 30 plus years, then we're entitled to have an inquiry as to who's doing what and why did they've done such a bad job.
I also think people are implicit and involved. I think there's people that turn the other cheek or looked away, pretend things weren't happening because they were frightened of being called names or they were more interested in their job or I think there's a myriad of reasons but unless there is a national inquiry unless there is a national inquiry we aren't ever gonna know we aren't ever gonna know if counsellors and social workers, I mean there was a case of a a little girl she was about 13 and she was married off to her abuser in a private Sharia ceremony and the social worker turned up attended the wedding.
[00:20:32] Unknown:
Oh my god.
[00:20:33] Unknown:
Honestly the stories that have come out this week, I mean, these are official stories from court transcripts. These aren't, you know, inflated stories for flashy headlines in order to get readers to buy your newspaper. These are court transcripts. These are official reports made by trusted people like the J report and things like that, you know, but even even most recently Justin Welby has had to leave his job the head of the, Anglican church because he turned a blind eye to decades decades of the most horrific abuse towards little boys from entrusted people in the Christian faith. You know, this this spans everyone, predators will find a way to get to their victims, they always will, predators will always find a way to manipulate positions of trust and power in order to access the victims with which they wish, which wish to abuse, they always will and sadly we've let them and time and time and time again nobody's done anything, you know, even the Telford inquiry they were basically marking their own homework.
[00:21:57] Unknown:
Yeah. It's it's it's one of those things that's been going on since the start of time and I don't think it's ever going to stop. But these these grooming I mean, it's going on in our town, isn't it? It's going on everywhere.
[00:22:12] Unknown:
Yeah. It is. It it's going on. It's in every single echelon of society, every single background. I mean, one of the worst, grooming gang scandals in the country, was in Cornwall, one of the worst white ones. Massive pedophile ring was in Cornwall by white men. You know the these things can happen to any child from any background by any adult from any background, they happen by women. I mean who was, I can't remember the name, there was a musician and he was, I can't remember his name and he was recruiting vulnerable single moms in order to, he was like using his his platform as a singer, quite famous I wanna say Dave someone, and he was abusing their kids but the women were complicit they were allowing it, the mothers were allowing it.
[00:23:16] Unknown:
And that's a frightening thing with the parents as well, isn't it? Because from the other side of the coin, we don't want lots of people out there. We don't want the police's involvement, the social services because we feel like with education and things like that, they're sticking their nose in, trying to take the children away from the home to indoctrinate them into their schooling systems. I mean, I don't know how that bill went today, but I know that was being discussed. And there's a lot of, like, home educators up in arms and worried because if that you know, it seems like they can come out for things like that when it's to do with education, but on the other side, like you say, turn a blind eye.
[00:23:59] Unknown:
Well, you know, there there are children forcibly removed from homes that really shouldn't be, and then there are enormous amount of children that are left in abusive homes that shouldn't be. Yeah. The whole system needs total reform. The whole system is totally broken from every aspect.
[00:24:17] Unknown:
So the aim of the march, what do you believe that you're gonna achieve from getting a 1000000 women marching?
[00:24:24] Unknown:
Well, I what we, we've got about 7 demands, we're still working on them because obviously none of us are legal minded, most 99% of the women involved are just, you know, mums and nannas and sisters and aunts and stuff like that and, but we believe that child abuse especially sexual exploitation needs to be prioritized by the police then we believe that these cases need to be prioritized getting into the courts I mean some of these some of these cases is taking 2 to 3 years once a report is made and then charges are finally brought and then they get to court you know it get it could
[00:25:14] Unknown:
be 3 years And if the child is still in the home for that? Could be or it could be,
[00:25:20] Unknown:
any child but you know if if there's if there's a serious accusation to make about, a horrific predator and it can take 4 years for it to even get to trial. That's 4 years where a dangerous predator has total free reign to carry out whatever they want to do, really. And and, you know, then there's obviously the argument where they might think, well, if I'm gonna be hung for a sheep, I might as well be hung for a horse. You know, if I'm if I'm facing a custodial sentence in 4 years' time whenever my court case comes around, I might as well make the most of it and, you know, get a few other kids in the middle. Who knows?
So we want faster time frames I mean some police forces, some of the some of the group that we've kind of created they have made freedom of information requests and some police, some police forces, small police forces, I won't mention the name but, they've got less than a 4% charge rate, not even a conviction rate, so of all the cases of child sexual exploitation that are reported to them only 4% even get charged let alone prosecuted Yeah. So that's the next thing and then accountability for when these things happen nobody's ever held accountable ever. I mean the judge involved in that case with the little girl Sarah he's had his name there's a national ban on publishing his name there was so the the dad had an extensive history of domestic abuse and violence and torture against his other children and his he is the mother of his children and the judge handed her over to him where he then went on with his new wife to brutally murder her you know, and so there's no accountability.
There's no accountability for social workers that turned a blind eye, there's no accountability for counsellors or MPs that are where cases have come across their desk and they've ignored them or chosen to prioritize winning their local seat by not offending people, it it it just the whole thing there has to be account the amount of police officers that have walked away with the gold plate pension and honors and awards for policing and there's you know like Salford 1400 broken little girls in in his wake and he's got to walk away and retire as police chief and just get a gold plated pension and never have to think of the lives that those little girls ever have so and and stricter sentencing because sentencing works, you know, when there are strong sentencing laws they act as a really really good deterrent, You know, there's hundreds of cases in Scotland. They implemented a minimum 5 year if you're caught carrying a knife. So knife crime went down.
Acid attacks, they strung for the the custodial sentences surrounding acid attacks. They've almost I mean, I can't can't remember the last time I heard of an acid attack, well, we were the acid attack central of Europe at one point, when Extinction Rebellion were protesting and blocking the roads, Priti Patel immediately overnight, enforced strong custodial sentences and that stopped, you know, sentencing works, there has to be a deterrent, there has to be a deterrent and it has to be sentencing, that's the only thing we've got, we don't have the death penalty and I don't want to either but these things have to be considered and then there are other cases where for example, Sammy Woodhouse, she's a survivor of horrific cases of grooming gangs from a little girl. She had a child, as a result of the continued, grooming gang, mass rape that she was put through, and then her abuser was able to to get access to her child through the family court, so it's not just a predatory pedophile having access to his own child that he's created through rape but then she is a victim because he is the father has to have contact with the man that put her through that. I mean, just the whole system is insane.
It's just absolutely it's what the minute you start digging the rabbit hole and the minute cases keep coming up, the minute you just you just can't believe what you're reading and and it's just, I just think everybody needs to take a breath and I don't know why Starmer won't hold a national inquiry, it's beyond me.
[00:30:48] Unknown:
Because there's probably too many higher people up at the top that are involved.
[00:30:55] Unknown:
Yeah. I think he probably thinks there will be enormous riots all over the country.
[00:31:03] Unknown:
Well, they'll do what they did for the whole, Tough call. Yeah. Yeah. They'll just impose bigger laws to stop people protesting and stuff like that. Will they get I don't know. I don't know a way out, and it's like, we know this has been going on since, like, the start of time and stuff. But when people like Hugh Edwards, who the nation have admired for so long Yeah. Gets nothing. What did he get in the end? Did did he even get community service? Sort of suspended sentence. I know. What's that what's that telling the public, really? Some high you know, some person high up, they get caught and it's just a little bit of a, you know, slap on the wrist.
[00:31:49] Unknown:
Well, at the same time that the Hugh Edwards thing came out because that happened around the time in the South Portwydays, didn't it? And, there's a lady that I've been become really good friends with and, she is a very smart woman, she's a business woman, you know, she's never so much as had a speeding ticket, she's not, you know you couldn't call her far left or far right she's just, a really smart incredibly brilliant woman and, she after Southpaw happened there was an article published and it was actually it transpired that it was published by actually Pakistani Muslim in Pakistan and the website looked very authentic it looked like a news website and I don't know how she saw it but she retweeted that news article and it said that the man that, harmed the little girls that killed the little girls at Southport was a illegal immigrant from Afghanistan I think it said I can't remember don't quote me and so she retweeted it and said if this is true this is terrible literally that's all she wrote, the next day countless police officers turned up under her off to prison and she spent 48 hours in prison, being investigated for inciting violence and that was like a week after Hugh Edwards walked away from paying for downloading and sharing category a images of children as young as babies being raped.
And then someone like Bernie so Bernie actually spent more time in prison for retweeting something that she thought was legitimate without making any aspersions or confirming that it was true. She spent more time in prison than Hugh Edwards did for engaging directly in the rape of children. It it's just this massive imbalance of injustice that's going on in the country and I think everybody has absolutely had enough. Absolutely had enough. The thing is these are life altering crimes for these children, life altering, you know. Most of the drug problems we have in the UK, most of the crime problems we have in the UK are result of children being abused And the sentences need to be life altering for those that engage in doing it. You know, you don't accidentally get your credit card out and pay for images, category a images of children being raped. You don't accidentally get in a car with 4 mates and hang around the primary school trying to pick up little girls. You don't accidentally rape a kid. You don't. It's premeditated and it's calculated.
It's well thought through. Often, these people spend years of effort putting themselves in position where they can act freely. We saw it, you know, I'm a Roman Catholic, but we did see it in the Roman Catholic church. We've seen it in the NHS. We've seen it in, you know, every institution. There will be people that will navigate themselves into positions of extreme trust whereby they can access children and they do it for that sole purpose. And that has to be recognized when it comes to said to sentencing. You know, these are these aren't crimes of passion.
These aren't crimes of anger in the moment. These aren't crimes of, you know, I made a terrible mistake or I got too drunk or I was doing drugs and, you know, not that those things are okay either, but every single act of sexually abusing a child is premeditated and calculated and well thought out and these people need to be held accountable for it with very hefty sentences. And we that's I I just I I will die on this hill.
[00:36:10] Unknown:
And is there a main ethnic minority?
[00:36:16] Unknown:
What? That's involved in child exploitation?
[00:36:19] Unknown:
Wow. In the grooming gangs.
[00:36:21] Unknown:
In the grooming gangs, it is statistically predominantly Pakistani Muslims, but we had there was a case I think it was in Bristol where 400 little girls were sex trafficked by Somalis, but it can, you know, it it almost doesn't matter about the the data, the child grooming cases are particularly heinous because they are so organized like crime organization, they usually tied in with drugs, there's they usually go each individual event of sexual abuse will last for hours, one little girl's ordeal lasted for 24 hours, they will often last for years, the same little girl, you know, there are countless cases where a little girl was right from about the age of 11 to about 15 or 16 and then she became so sort of brainwashed, she started recruiting other girls. And she started recruiting other girls in order to protect herself as well. I think her thinking was she had had so much.
If she got if she coerced or recruited another girl into the fold they might leave her alone and that might sound like a horrible thing to do but how much is a little girl supposed to take and they don't have the age or the skills to know how to navigate that. They don't know any difference. It's just survival. Yeah. Yeah. It's just survival. Nobody could say how they would react put in that position, but, you know, but it it this sort of disgusting behavior does come from every single aspect of society. You know, there was a there was a nursery worker, wasn't there, about 10 years ago that she was raping kids in the nursery, in the toilets, and then selling the images.
I can't remember her name, that was a white British woman, you know, you just never know who a predator is gonna be.
[00:38:37] Unknown:
And more so often is it not the case that if you've been abused and you know no different then you will go on to be an abuser?
[00:38:46] Unknown:
I mean, it's not, you know, just because you've been abused as a child doesn't mean that you will go on to abuse people as a grown up. It doesn't mean that you will necessarily perpetuate that abuse, but you will probably have a skewed, version of what what childhood is and what protection is and what adults roles in your life and children's lives are.
[00:39:18] Unknown:
Oh, you froze. You've frozen, Natalie. Oh, bad signal. Bear with everybody. This is live. Yeah. So I would just say, while we're reconnecting at the moment, if you've got more interest and you want to know more about the marches, do go to the Facebook page. I think Natalie's got a page on X as well. The page on Facebook is purely just called million women march, and there, you'll be able to find out all of the groups that are happening, that are setting up marches for that date. And, you know, if you've got a little town and you're thinking you wanna do some stuff, get get involved as well. Please do. Are you back with us, Natalie? I'm gonna end the call and recall her.
We were doing so well. It must be the incoming snow that's happening. Apparently, between 3 AM and midday tomorrow. We lost you there, my lovely. Oh, you're back. I'm back. More more to the point, you're back. Don't leave me here by myself. But, yeah, sorry. I don't know, how much you were talking and, we missed.
[00:40:37] Unknown:
No. I was just saying, you know, you never any child could be a victim and any adult could be a predator, and I think that needs to be recognized. There are different communities that engage in different types of behavior, and there are certainly different percentages and statistics. But ultimately, if we fight for blanket improvement of how the police deal with things, how different groups deal with things, you know, social services, the NHS reporting. If we all if the entire system is overhauled, I think, and it and everybody is treated with exactly the same punishment, I think that a lot of race relations would die down. I think that that would be a fair way, to deal with everything.
[00:41:40] Unknown:
Sure. Sure. Well, fingers crossed. Fingers crossed that, you know, some of these, have have you had any MPs get in touch or anything like that?
[00:41:51] Unknown:
We have deliberately not involved or contacted anybody because we do maintain and we are very because we are all different, we are so many we are such a multifaceted group of people that are engaging and so, you know, from all sorts of different political backgrounds, we just feel like the MPs have had their chance, You know, this has been going on for 30 years. They haven't done anything. They're all using it as a political football now. You know, the Tories were in power for 14 years. They never did anything. Labour were in power when this began. You know, there were reports of Gordon Brown saying that these chill these little girls are making a lifestyle choice.
They're all complicit. They're all involved. They've all turned the other way. And now labor are back in power and they're not really doing anything. And I think a lot of people feel also maybe that reform didn't mention it leading up to the election. So why are you mentioning it now? It just feels a little bit gratuitous and vulgar. We we all feel collectively that all of these MPs have had the opportunity to do something, and they haven't. And they knew it was happening. The J report happened. The NSPCC made a note in 2019 that 19,000 little girls every single year as young as 5 in England and Wales alone were being groomed and sexually exploited.
Nothing was done with that information. They've all just only ever spoken on the subject when they can use it as a weapon to hit the opposition, And they've nobody has ever said, let's we really need to deal with this. And MPs that have spoken out, like Sarah Champion, who was a Labour MP under Jeremy Corbyn, she was sacked. You know, Jess Phillips is getting a lot of hassle now, but she has consistently tried to raise the subject of, grooming gangs and all sorts of, like, race or religion based, child sexual exploitation, you know, things like FGM and stuff like that too.
But whilst everybody has tried everybody claims they've tried, nobody has done enough. Let's be honest. Nobody has done enough. These are people that are paid by us to run the country.
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Yeah. I've lost a bit looking back. You never see in the manifestos when an election is coming anything about this sort of thing, really.
[00:44:33] Unknown:
No. Never. I mean, there was reform did actually have something in their manifesto, but it was about 3 lines long. It wasn't serious.
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And, I mean, this march is not just aimed at those victims of, child trafficking and grooming and stuff like that. It's all about the children, isn't it? And this this topic is just so vast, like, whether it be domestic violence, rape, you know, all of those things that have touched on people's lives.
[00:45:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, look at that little baby p little baby Peter, you know, years he was only about 2 and a half and poor little thing died. You know, he had his fingernails removed, his poor little broken body, you know, and even then the sentencing was rubbish. I mean, they murdered that little boy and his mother is out now. Should she should rot in jail Yeah. Yeah. Till she draws her last breath. Almost more than the abuse the man that killed him because she just didn't do anything.
[00:45:45] Unknown:
That's that's just awful, though, isn't it? I mean, that that whole scenario, and I mean, it takes me something that I think about regularly because I suppose it hit me at the time, like, so much of the country was the whole Jamie Bolger murder. Oh, You know? And I mean, that was done by Why are they out? Sorry?
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Why are they out walking the street? Oh, in Cornwall as well. Yeah. I heard I understand that they were they were placed before their trial. They spent time in a flat in Falmouth, in Penrhyn. Right.
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We seem to be the dumping ground for all of them, actually. We had Gary Glitter before he was sent to prison, didn't we? Yeah. Yeah. Well, a lot of these people that we see loitering in our town and stuff, we know they're sent down from Manchester and places like that to get out of town.
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We had a man in dumps in Canborne called the monster of Sligo, and he was one of Ireland's most prolific and worst child sex abusers. He was given a life sentence. For some bizarre reason, they let him out of prison, and then they dumped him in Cornwall in Camborne. Lovely. Lovely. He was seen walking about.
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But, like, go back to, like, the psychology, like, the whole Jamie, Boulder case. Mhmm. They were, what, one was 10 and one was 11. They I mean, how on earth I mean, that was the first time I think this country had seen anything on that level by such young people. How how do you have the right then to say that your life has gone forever? I mean, what sort of upbringing did they have for them to go and do something like that? Were they they not victims themselves?
[00:47:24] Unknown:
Possibly. There was case not trying to stand up for them. But No. No. You're not. You're just trying to be pragmatic. Yeah. There was, a case in America. He did a shooting. He went into a school and he shot up a load of kids, about 2 years ago. His parents have now been convicted because the judge ruled that they didn't do right by they create the monster basically by their bad decisions as adults. Right. So they've been now prosecuted. They his parents and him. Yeah. I I think I think holding parents accountable for children's behavior is would be a massive stick, Didn't you? Yeah. Yeah. How much life crime do we see in the UK? How much of that could be dealt with if parents were held legally responsible and faced a prison sentence. If their if their child is caught walking around with a machete or a knife
[00:48:30] Unknown:
Well, I don't know if you heard on the news today. I mean, I think it was yesterday, a 14 year old boy in Woolwich was murdered on a bus, stabbed repeatedly. And his mum supposedly said, I always knew he would die young. You know, he was already in care, but 14 years old. And I mean, you know, I don't know how many hours away Woolwich is from us, but it's in this country.
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I thought it was Greenwich.
[00:48:57] Unknown:
I'm sure it was Woolwich, but something on the end.
[00:49:01] Unknown:
You know what? Yeah. Yeah.
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But it's just,
[00:49:05] Unknown:
you know, he was already in care and his mother knew what way he was going. Well, we we don't know for what reasons that he was in care. But Well, this is the thing is is a is a pic a wider picture of society and how it's been broken down deliberately or otherwise, but, you know, the amount of single moms, and this is raising a generation full of fatherless children and we the crime statistics do show that most crime is carried out by boys that don't have fathers in their lives or good fathers in their lives.
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Yeah.
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This is this is a serious issue. So maybe the government could have a a deep consideration about, you know, consequences for fathers that, you know, don't play an active and positive role within their children's life. If if their child, their son, especially goes on to commit something horrific,
[00:50:01] Unknown:
you know, or do you think we need to start looking at those sort of things? Well, the family is just not what it used to be, is it? How many people do you know? You know, I've been a single parent. I'm not with any of my children's dad. And I think for my middle son, you know, it affected him massively massively. They need boys need fathers just like they need mothers. They need that role model. And, you know, he's 24, and he's calmed down. Not he was never to the extent that bad, you know, out doing drugs and stuff, but I struggled. And his dad should have stepped up, but I suppose out of spite of it hard. It's extremely hard as a single mom
[00:50:38] Unknown:
to play both roles. Yeah. To be the caregiver and the loving one, you know, keep the house clean, cook dinner and everything, and also be the authoritarian.
[00:50:49] Unknown:
Yeah. My quote, like, with my 11 year old is, mum first, friend second. It's changed with my older ones, but it is hard sometimes because you do want to be like the nice person, but ultimately, you've got to implicate these rules. I think it's like by the age of 6, if they've not reached that level of awareness of, like, empathy and stuff, they're never gonna get it.
[00:51:13] Unknown:
Yeah. There's been quite a lot of extensive studies that if children don't understand empathy by 6 years old, it's basically the cutoff point. So they can understand the concept of the dictionary meaning of the words, but they just don't feel empathy. No. No. And, you know, I mean, how many I mean, the amount of single moms in this country now is insane. The amount of those moms that have to go out and work full time and so the check care of their children is handed over to basically, you know, very young childless people that work in childcare. And then they're they're funneled through the education system run by mainly young teachers that don't have children themselves, you know, the whole system is just on its knees.
Yeah. Yeah. Well You know, and and school is supposed supposed to prepare children for adulthood but you know, most teachers have never left the educational system themselves. They've never been in the workplace. The workplace in that the rest of the country knows it. You know, most qualified teachers have been within the education system since they started reception, then they've gone through school, done college, gone to university, and then they've gone back into a school as a job. But we're entrusting these people, and it's not an insult to them. It's just a fact that that is the system.
So we are entrusting these very young teachers, most of whom don't have children themselves to train our teach and train our children how to adjust to adulthood and the workplace and understand the importance of dressing smartly or, you know, following certain rules of whatever corporation you go off working to or, you know, hard work on a building site. You know, is the blind leading the blind?
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Yes. Yes. It is. It is. Anyway, moving forward because we've just got less than 5 minutes to go.
[00:53:29] Unknown:
I can't be talking.
[00:53:31] Unknown:
You you're good, Natalie. I love it when I chat to you because you you chat. Tell us a little bit about the starting point of the London march underneath the statue of Boudicca is where you're meeting. And lots of people don't know the story of Boudicca. Could you spend a couple of minutes and just give people I mean, it's sad because that's in our, like, main town city, London. Yeah. And there's so many statues there that it's like, oh, who's that? What are they you know? Anyway, can you tell us quick Yeah. Most people don't know the difference between Boudicca and Britannia, but Boudicca
[00:54:07] Unknown:
before England was England or the UK was the UK or Great Britain, long before any of that, there were hundreds of tribes all over the the United Kingdom. And in Norfolk there was the Iceni tribe which were a very substantial tribe of Celts and queen Boudiccia and her husband ruled that particular area of land. When the Romans invaded there were lots of agreements in place that she that they would maintain that land and their own culture and language and heritage and the like and be able to manage it as they wish. But then as soon as her husband died the Romans just you know started taking food they'd grown, animals they'd farmed and the like and so Boudiccia or Boudicca as they call her now she was the Queen of the Iceni, so she approached the Roman general generals with her 2 daughters because she was the Queen and said you know, this is out of order, this isn't what we had agreed. So they violently assaulted her and flogged her and beat her up and incapacitated her. And then when she couldn't move, they they ordered their garrison of Romans to soldiers to gang rape her daughters.
And she couldn't do anything but watch and scream. It was horrific. And, they her and her daughters made their way back to the Iceni tribe and everybody was mortified. And within within about a week, they had raised an army all over the British Isles of about a 120,000 Celts to fight the Roman army Wow. In revenge of defiling her her virgin daughters and she would have won but, obviously they didn't have mobile phones then and there was a cross communication and, they were headed off at the pass and it in, intercepted and they were looked like they were going to lose the battle and she couldn't bear to go through that again, so she took poison and killed herself.
But it just seemed very poignant given what's come out the last couple of weeks. There's the statue of Boudicca in on Westminster Bridge. She has her back to London, because one of the things she did was her and her army burned London to the ground. So the statue is strategically placed to show Boudicca with her back to the burning London, and it just feels quite poignant given what's come out over the last week. Absolutely. But people as mothers, as women, that are watching the true horrors, the extent of the true horror of the grooming gang scandal unfold that we start at Boudicca, the the first warrior queen that said I will never let anybody touch my children, my little girls.
I'll die before I let anything like that ever happen to them ever again. So it just seems very poignant that we start at her. At her spot. But we have run out of time, Natalie,
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but, I won't worry about playing out the outro music. But thank you so much for being a guest this evening, and I wish you all the luck in the world. This is gonna be awesome. See you next week, guys. Love you lots. Love you too. Take care. Bye. Bye. You still there, babe? Yeah. Oh, and the podcast. Yes.
[00:58:10] Unknown:
Thanks for that. That was lovely. That's alright. Is there any way Yeah. Is there any way you can blank out my surname Brian at the beginning?
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I can try. I can put a bleep on it. Yes. Bleep.
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Just so that on the white and the Brian, just I just don't want any trouble for the kids.
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Yeah. No. That's fine. Absolutely. I will have a little look in a minute. Alright, my darling. Well, thanks for that. That was really, really interesting. And, yeah, we'll speak very soon, no doubt. We might be without seeing Tranny as well, which is important. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Right. Well, I'm gonna go get another glass of wine nonalcoholic wine, and I'll let you get back to all your messages and everything. Yeah. Crikey. Alright, sweetheart. Take care. Care. Thanks very much, Bev. Bye. Bye, love. Bye bye.
Next. Next. Anyways, good evening, young Natalie. How are you doing? Hello, sweetheart. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Are you less stressed than when I saw you, this morning?
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It's it's very, very stressful trying to organize 1,000,000 women. I can tell you how much.
[00:00:17] Unknown:
Well, you I mean, I'll tell you what. The stuff you've done in the last week, crikey, it's well, I have great admiration for you because I know it's something that you're so passionate about. So you introduced this million women march. So tell us how you came to organize in this.
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Well, lots of people have been talking about for a really long time. They've been talking about marches for, you know, women fighting gender based violence and and one march after another but then obviously, Elon Musk, went. What happened was some random account on Twitter posted some of the transcripts from the horrors of the grooming gang court case and the judge is summing up and what people were convicted of and I don't know how but it ended up going viral and somehow Elon Musk came across it and he just just couldn't believe it. It was horrific. It was a little girl, she was I think she was only about don't quote me but I think she was only about 11 and she had her backside had been prepared with a bicycle pump. I'm gonna get very graphic here, And she was then violently gang raped for hours on end.
Four men were in her at one time. You can imagine Oh my god. 11 little a little 11 year old girl. I mean, any woman. Nobody could ever stand that. But a little child, I mean, it's not just the pain, it's the fear, the humiliation. It was just horrific and, and then as a result, obviously, thousands of British people went, well, you know, that's not the worst of it. Have you read this? Have you read that? It gets worse. You know, broken bottles and all sorts of horrific things we've done to these little girls and I don't think the rest of the world was so mortified and horrified.
How many little girls were involved and the extent of the cruelty and the torture. One little girl, she had been gang raped and she went to the police. She'd been plied with alcohol and she'd gone to the police. The police told her to come back the next kicked her out the police station, told her to come back the next day because she was drunk. Outside the police station, she was picked up by a car full of men. They all raped her, then they kicked her out the side of the road where she waved down a taxi. The taxi driver took her to her house where she was kept for about 14 hours and brutally assaulted.
It's just we've all been hearing these stories for years, but the rest of it, we've almost become apathetic to them which is horrific and it was only I think with the rest of the world looking at us and going how on earth have you allowed so many little girls, your own little girls, to go through so much and you haven't reacted and you've never done anything, like kind of a shame on you and it's made sort of the British people go yeah you're right, shame on us, I do, I feel really ashamed and it's not just that, it was the beautiful little girl Sara, a little Muslim girl, last month her parents were finally given life sentence for you know, 10 years of brutal torture.
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Is this the lady this the young girl who her father
[00:04:07] Unknown:
fled back to wherever he came from and then made the phone call? Right. That's right. They went on the run but the the extent of her torture was horrific you know tied by her ankles to radiators, burnt with an iron. I mean I just cried my eyes out when I heard the judges summing up and you know we then there was, you know, we've seen case after case after case of people that walk away scot free from downloading and sharing category a child abuse images almost like they're a victimless crime. You know, these aren't cartoons. There is a child being brutally abused somewhere.
There was being created of them. And can you imagine if you if your abuse was filmed and out on the Internet forever for the whole world to witness and replay over and over again and take some sort of bizarre gratification from the worst thing that could possibly ever happen to you and then the people that have paid for it and therefore facilitated it and created a market for your torture just walk away with the suspended sentence, Hubert Edwards being one of them and I think it's just thing after thing after thing after thing it's just the British public from all backgrounds I've just had enough and the feeling after Musk sort of shared this horrific transcript was that that's it. That was breaking point, you know, it wasn't that long ago we had Southport.
It's it was just a national feeling of there comes a point where we have to do something to tell all of the governments, all of the us whoever it is, we now stand united and we're not gonna tolerate the abuse of any child from any predator whatsoever. And, so I was banging away about it on, on x and I was trying to encourage some big accounts to do some sort of unified march and say, you know, we need to also down our politics and down our sort of left right tribalist mentality now and stand together. And, nobody wanted to do it and then quite a few people were like, why don't you do it? So I kind of went, well, I will then. And it gained enormous amount. Then I sort of went to bed and I sort of put post out saying who wants to sort of get involved in a, you know, a march.
Can you imagine the powerful I was just sort of talking out loud. Can you imagine the powerful optics of like a 1000000 women in the center of London saying, you know, we're not tolerating this anymore. And I woke up in the morning and my phone had gone crazy overnight and just it took off, it took on a life of its own, and then one of the things that kept coming up is, you know, there's no way I could get to London, it's a shame there's not one in Glasgow or it's a shame there's not one in Cardiff or so we were so I was just like well create your own, why don't we all just do one on the same day? And people were like, yeah we need to organize this, this needs to be a national thing and it's just literally taken off on its own. It's beyond me now.
It's now the London March is now, being really organized. I mean, I'm I'm obviously involved, but I mean, some of the people that have stepped up to take over things like stewarding and security and police liaison and organizing and security and all of the logistics, people that have been involved in so many different marches and protests themselves of all different sides of the spectrum, you'll have people that are sort of considered right and people that are considered left and, people from different ethnicities and religions and they're all just working together, to create something and it's really taken my breath away and it's spreading now throughout the country, people in Ireland have said well can we do this because they have a serious issue in Ireland where little girls are just going missing all over the place just children are just disappearing off the face of the children that were supposed to have been put in the care home or put into foster care have just disappeared off the face of the earth. Nobody's answering any questions. Is it mainly girls or boys as well? Both. Any children that have been placed forcibly taken from their parents and forcibly put into the care system have just disappeared off the face of the universe and, the Irish universe and, the Irish government won't answer any questions about it and the same as the UK government if people say where have all these children gone they're accused of being far right or having an ulterior motive and, last year the University of Dublin, started digging into I don't know why it came up on on their radar but they started to look at I think it's called Tesla which is like the Irish version of social services and they found that little girls that were being forcibly removed from their home and forcibly put into the care system in unsupervised houses were being sex trafficked by gangs of men into hotels all over Ireland.
But they wrote this 500 page report on the horrific CSA and trafficking of little girls in Ireland but it didn't mention one single thing about who the men were. Is it the Catholic church? Is it Muslim gangs same as the UK? Is it no, they just wouldn't mention it. They that. But nobody was prepared to have a conversation, we still don't know, they've never said who it is. So obviously, the 1,000,000 Women March now, people have said can we have one in Ireland, they're talking about setting 1 up in Australia on the same day, people are talking about setting them up in Canada, they've got a similar situation, all over America people are saying they'll have one in solidarity, I don't know if that's gonna happen now because of the LA fires, But, you know, it's really it's really taken off and it's really touched me that actually when push comes to shove, people can unite over something really important.
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I can't believe I mean, this was was this Saturday that you, like right. You made it official?
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Yeah. I think so.
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Saturday and, you know, being active in COVID times and stuff like that. Obviously, we would organize protests and things like that, and we've had rallies for the children and stuff like that. But I've never seen the amount of interest and input from women out there wanting to be a part of it. Yeah. It's just gone crazy.
[00:11:39] Unknown:
I know. I'm wanting to leave their politics at the door as well. Yeah. Want them to just stand together, you know, that we've got hopefully we've got, some Sikh ladies coming along, because a lot of, Sikh girls have been, you know, forced into marriage or they have been victim to grooming gangs. Sikh girls were often targeted by the same grooming gangs. There hopefully we have like some Nigerian ladies coming along that have concerns about child welfare let's not forget beautiful little Victoria Klimby and what she went through I don't know if you remember that case. No. I was a little girl I can barely talk about because it's heartbreaking lovely little girl and her parents were in I think Nigeria they sent her to the UK for a better life with like an aunt like a mum's best friend who was living here but that woman and her boyfriend they just tortured her to death they starved her they beat her she was, her little broken body was found in a bath with a bin inside a bin bag up to her neck so she would, she had been living basically in a bin bag to stop her making a mess or it was just, then we have baby pee you know there's so many, this is something that all women you know when you've, when all women can get behind, you know, when mum of theirs, you know, if if I, any woman that saw a child being harmed would stand and they you know and it just it's just really taken my breath away how many women have decided to stand up and stand together and unify there have been, a few issues.
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Yes I was I was going to mention that we've, and I mean, on the actual Facebook page for those looking, it does actually say it's got the rules. It's got the outlines. It's got the questions. And, I mean, on this page, since Saturday, you've got, what, 3,200 followers. That's just on that main page. That's not including all the other pages for, like, million women March, Cornwall, and stuff like that. What I suppose the main question that I've heard that people are, like, seething about, which I don't get really because it's a a million women march is simple. If they've done a million men march, so be it. Would we be kicking off? I don't know. But people want to know, why can't the men get involved? So come on, Nat. Tell us. Well, I mean,
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firstly, it was just first of all, it started, as I said, kind of by accident. So it was like the million women march. You know, it sort of rolled off the tongue and we just thought that the power the optics would be incredible, you know. We've seen so many marches especially over the last few years that have been misconstrued in the media and things like that. And we just thought if we can get a million women together, you know, or, you know, at least near that and they're all stood together all different, you know, colors and whatnot and, you know, stood united, it would be a very powerful optic in the media so that the government would have to take us seriously.
Obviously, if you start then inviting men, you walk down the optics. Then, obviously, who who comes? You know? It's like there's a lot of, a lot of females that are survivors of, extreme, you know, some of the grooming gangs and things like that. And they have suffered lifelong terrible mental health issues and trauma and things, and they didn't really want to be around men, then we were like, well, if we include men, then then what's going to happen to women of faith? You know, if somebody is Muslim for example and they wanna stand with us because it also affects their own community, they might not be able to come. It was just because it started becoming very complicated the more people we try to include.
So we just kept that one banner. And what we've said is that also we recognize we we do absolutely recognize that men as much as females, as children will be survivors. You know, the statistics are there. Men are survivors or victims of child exploitation as children. You know child abuse happens to boys and girls and we do recognize that and we also recognize that there are countless thousands of dads out there that have been desperately trying to protect their children and they've been unable to you know, it can be the father of, a little girl that was groomed and trafficked. You know, there's been countless, things coming out this week about the amount of dads that tried to rescue their little girls from being trafficked, and they were arrested despite their daughters being literally one dad said he he got a call to say that his little girl was being gang raped in a house and he turned up and he was, like, trying to get to his little girl and the police turned up and they arrested him, not any of the men that were raping his daughter.
So
[00:17:34] Unknown:
so the police is They're right off then. The Oh, I mean, the whole whole system, we know it. It's corrupt. It's corrupt to well, corrupt to bits. Every every aspect of it is entirely corrupt, and everybody is covering their own arse. Everyone's passing the buck and nobody wants to deal with it. Why do you think they wanna get don't wanna get involved? Because they're complicit,
[00:18:01] Unknown:
I think. You you think that They're they're totally incompetent. Either they there's only 3 options, really. Either they are totally and utterly incompetent. And as we are paying they're in the public sector. We, as taxpayers, are paying their wages. So either they're totally incompetent and have not been doing their job properly, whereby as we as their employer, as such, as the public, we demand like, can you imagine a private company with tens of thousands of staff that were utterly inept at their job? They have one job to do, and they can't do it, and the company will go bust.
It wouldn't be accepted in the public sector in the private sector, but it seems to have been allowed in the public sector. And we pay the way we are the employer, the the British public taxpayer. We're the employer. And we pay for services, and we pay enormous amount of tax, and we expect that money to to go on very important things like child welfare. And with that public power is abused and not used properly and being paying wages of people who can't do their job properly, then we're entitled to know. That's the the basics. It doesn't matter what it is, whether it's the NHS or whatever. If the British people are paying for a public service from their hard earned cash every month and that public service has been totally defunct and inept for 30 plus years, then we're entitled to have an inquiry as to who's doing what and why did they've done such a bad job.
I also think people are implicit and involved. I think there's people that turn the other cheek or looked away, pretend things weren't happening because they were frightened of being called names or they were more interested in their job or I think there's a myriad of reasons but unless there is a national inquiry unless there is a national inquiry we aren't ever gonna know we aren't ever gonna know if counsellors and social workers, I mean there was a case of a a little girl she was about 13 and she was married off to her abuser in a private Sharia ceremony and the social worker turned up attended the wedding.
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Oh my god.
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Honestly the stories that have come out this week, I mean, these are official stories from court transcripts. These aren't, you know, inflated stories for flashy headlines in order to get readers to buy your newspaper. These are court transcripts. These are official reports made by trusted people like the J report and things like that, you know, but even even most recently Justin Welby has had to leave his job the head of the, Anglican church because he turned a blind eye to decades decades of the most horrific abuse towards little boys from entrusted people in the Christian faith. You know, this this spans everyone, predators will find a way to get to their victims, they always will, predators will always find a way to manipulate positions of trust and power in order to access the victims with which they wish, which wish to abuse, they always will and sadly we've let them and time and time and time again nobody's done anything, you know, even the Telford inquiry they were basically marking their own homework.
[00:21:57] Unknown:
Yeah. It's it's it's one of those things that's been going on since the start of time and I don't think it's ever going to stop. But these these grooming I mean, it's going on in our town, isn't it? It's going on everywhere.
[00:22:12] Unknown:
Yeah. It is. It it's going on. It's in every single echelon of society, every single background. I mean, one of the worst, grooming gang scandals in the country, was in Cornwall, one of the worst white ones. Massive pedophile ring was in Cornwall by white men. You know the these things can happen to any child from any background by any adult from any background, they happen by women. I mean who was, I can't remember the name, there was a musician and he was, I can't remember his name and he was recruiting vulnerable single moms in order to, he was like using his his platform as a singer, quite famous I wanna say Dave someone, and he was abusing their kids but the women were complicit they were allowing it, the mothers were allowing it.
[00:23:16] Unknown:
And that's a frightening thing with the parents as well, isn't it? Because from the other side of the coin, we don't want lots of people out there. We don't want the police's involvement, the social services because we feel like with education and things like that, they're sticking their nose in, trying to take the children away from the home to indoctrinate them into their schooling systems. I mean, I don't know how that bill went today, but I know that was being discussed. And there's a lot of, like, home educators up in arms and worried because if that you know, it seems like they can come out for things like that when it's to do with education, but on the other side, like you say, turn a blind eye.
[00:23:59] Unknown:
Well, you know, there there are children forcibly removed from homes that really shouldn't be, and then there are enormous amount of children that are left in abusive homes that shouldn't be. Yeah. The whole system needs total reform. The whole system is totally broken from every aspect.
[00:24:17] Unknown:
So the aim of the march, what do you believe that you're gonna achieve from getting a 1000000 women marching?
[00:24:24] Unknown:
Well, I what we, we've got about 7 demands, we're still working on them because obviously none of us are legal minded, most 99% of the women involved are just, you know, mums and nannas and sisters and aunts and stuff like that and, but we believe that child abuse especially sexual exploitation needs to be prioritized by the police then we believe that these cases need to be prioritized getting into the courts I mean some of these some of these cases is taking 2 to 3 years once a report is made and then charges are finally brought and then they get to court you know it get it could
[00:25:14] Unknown:
be 3 years And if the child is still in the home for that? Could be or it could be,
[00:25:20] Unknown:
any child but you know if if there's if there's a serious accusation to make about, a horrific predator and it can take 4 years for it to even get to trial. That's 4 years where a dangerous predator has total free reign to carry out whatever they want to do, really. And and, you know, then there's obviously the argument where they might think, well, if I'm gonna be hung for a sheep, I might as well be hung for a horse. You know, if I'm if I'm facing a custodial sentence in 4 years' time whenever my court case comes around, I might as well make the most of it and, you know, get a few other kids in the middle. Who knows?
So we want faster time frames I mean some police forces, some of the some of the group that we've kind of created they have made freedom of information requests and some police, some police forces, small police forces, I won't mention the name but, they've got less than a 4% charge rate, not even a conviction rate, so of all the cases of child sexual exploitation that are reported to them only 4% even get charged let alone prosecuted Yeah. So that's the next thing and then accountability for when these things happen nobody's ever held accountable ever. I mean the judge involved in that case with the little girl Sarah he's had his name there's a national ban on publishing his name there was so the the dad had an extensive history of domestic abuse and violence and torture against his other children and his he is the mother of his children and the judge handed her over to him where he then went on with his new wife to brutally murder her you know, and so there's no accountability.
There's no accountability for social workers that turned a blind eye, there's no accountability for counsellors or MPs that are where cases have come across their desk and they've ignored them or chosen to prioritize winning their local seat by not offending people, it it it just the whole thing there has to be account the amount of police officers that have walked away with the gold plate pension and honors and awards for policing and there's you know like Salford 1400 broken little girls in in his wake and he's got to walk away and retire as police chief and just get a gold plated pension and never have to think of the lives that those little girls ever have so and and stricter sentencing because sentencing works, you know, when there are strong sentencing laws they act as a really really good deterrent, You know, there's hundreds of cases in Scotland. They implemented a minimum 5 year if you're caught carrying a knife. So knife crime went down.
Acid attacks, they strung for the the custodial sentences surrounding acid attacks. They've almost I mean, I can't can't remember the last time I heard of an acid attack, well, we were the acid attack central of Europe at one point, when Extinction Rebellion were protesting and blocking the roads, Priti Patel immediately overnight, enforced strong custodial sentences and that stopped, you know, sentencing works, there has to be a deterrent, there has to be a deterrent and it has to be sentencing, that's the only thing we've got, we don't have the death penalty and I don't want to either but these things have to be considered and then there are other cases where for example, Sammy Woodhouse, she's a survivor of horrific cases of grooming gangs from a little girl. She had a child, as a result of the continued, grooming gang, mass rape that she was put through, and then her abuser was able to to get access to her child through the family court, so it's not just a predatory pedophile having access to his own child that he's created through rape but then she is a victim because he is the father has to have contact with the man that put her through that. I mean, just the whole system is insane.
It's just absolutely it's what the minute you start digging the rabbit hole and the minute cases keep coming up, the minute you just you just can't believe what you're reading and and it's just, I just think everybody needs to take a breath and I don't know why Starmer won't hold a national inquiry, it's beyond me.
[00:30:48] Unknown:
Because there's probably too many higher people up at the top that are involved.
[00:30:55] Unknown:
Yeah. I think he probably thinks there will be enormous riots all over the country.
[00:31:03] Unknown:
Well, they'll do what they did for the whole, Tough call. Yeah. Yeah. They'll just impose bigger laws to stop people protesting and stuff like that. Will they get I don't know. I don't know a way out, and it's like, we know this has been going on since, like, the start of time and stuff. But when people like Hugh Edwards, who the nation have admired for so long Yeah. Gets nothing. What did he get in the end? Did did he even get community service? Sort of suspended sentence. I know. What's that what's that telling the public, really? Some high you know, some person high up, they get caught and it's just a little bit of a, you know, slap on the wrist.
[00:31:49] Unknown:
Well, at the same time that the Hugh Edwards thing came out because that happened around the time in the South Portwydays, didn't it? And, there's a lady that I've been become really good friends with and, she is a very smart woman, she's a business woman, you know, she's never so much as had a speeding ticket, she's not, you know you couldn't call her far left or far right she's just, a really smart incredibly brilliant woman and, she after Southpaw happened there was an article published and it was actually it transpired that it was published by actually Pakistani Muslim in Pakistan and the website looked very authentic it looked like a news website and I don't know how she saw it but she retweeted that news article and it said that the man that, harmed the little girls that killed the little girls at Southport was a illegal immigrant from Afghanistan I think it said I can't remember don't quote me and so she retweeted it and said if this is true this is terrible literally that's all she wrote, the next day countless police officers turned up under her off to prison and she spent 48 hours in prison, being investigated for inciting violence and that was like a week after Hugh Edwards walked away from paying for downloading and sharing category a images of children as young as babies being raped.
And then someone like Bernie so Bernie actually spent more time in prison for retweeting something that she thought was legitimate without making any aspersions or confirming that it was true. She spent more time in prison than Hugh Edwards did for engaging directly in the rape of children. It it's just this massive imbalance of injustice that's going on in the country and I think everybody has absolutely had enough. Absolutely had enough. The thing is these are life altering crimes for these children, life altering, you know. Most of the drug problems we have in the UK, most of the crime problems we have in the UK are result of children being abused And the sentences need to be life altering for those that engage in doing it. You know, you don't accidentally get your credit card out and pay for images, category a images of children being raped. You don't accidentally get in a car with 4 mates and hang around the primary school trying to pick up little girls. You don't accidentally rape a kid. You don't. It's premeditated and it's calculated.
It's well thought through. Often, these people spend years of effort putting themselves in position where they can act freely. We saw it, you know, I'm a Roman Catholic, but we did see it in the Roman Catholic church. We've seen it in the NHS. We've seen it in, you know, every institution. There will be people that will navigate themselves into positions of extreme trust whereby they can access children and they do it for that sole purpose. And that has to be recognized when it comes to said to sentencing. You know, these are these aren't crimes of passion.
These aren't crimes of anger in the moment. These aren't crimes of, you know, I made a terrible mistake or I got too drunk or I was doing drugs and, you know, not that those things are okay either, but every single act of sexually abusing a child is premeditated and calculated and well thought out and these people need to be held accountable for it with very hefty sentences. And we that's I I just I I will die on this hill.
[00:36:10] Unknown:
And is there a main ethnic minority?
[00:36:16] Unknown:
What? That's involved in child exploitation?
[00:36:19] Unknown:
Wow. In the grooming gangs.
[00:36:21] Unknown:
In the grooming gangs, it is statistically predominantly Pakistani Muslims, but we had there was a case I think it was in Bristol where 400 little girls were sex trafficked by Somalis, but it can, you know, it it almost doesn't matter about the the data, the child grooming cases are particularly heinous because they are so organized like crime organization, they usually tied in with drugs, there's they usually go each individual event of sexual abuse will last for hours, one little girl's ordeal lasted for 24 hours, they will often last for years, the same little girl, you know, there are countless cases where a little girl was right from about the age of 11 to about 15 or 16 and then she became so sort of brainwashed, she started recruiting other girls. And she started recruiting other girls in order to protect herself as well. I think her thinking was she had had so much.
If she got if she coerced or recruited another girl into the fold they might leave her alone and that might sound like a horrible thing to do but how much is a little girl supposed to take and they don't have the age or the skills to know how to navigate that. They don't know any difference. It's just survival. Yeah. Yeah. It's just survival. Nobody could say how they would react put in that position, but, you know, but it it this sort of disgusting behavior does come from every single aspect of society. You know, there was a there was a nursery worker, wasn't there, about 10 years ago that she was raping kids in the nursery, in the toilets, and then selling the images.
I can't remember her name, that was a white British woman, you know, you just never know who a predator is gonna be.
[00:38:37] Unknown:
And more so often is it not the case that if you've been abused and you know no different then you will go on to be an abuser?
[00:38:46] Unknown:
I mean, it's not, you know, just because you've been abused as a child doesn't mean that you will go on to abuse people as a grown up. It doesn't mean that you will necessarily perpetuate that abuse, but you will probably have a skewed, version of what what childhood is and what protection is and what adults roles in your life and children's lives are.
[00:39:18] Unknown:
Oh, you froze. You've frozen, Natalie. Oh, bad signal. Bear with everybody. This is live. Yeah. So I would just say, while we're reconnecting at the moment, if you've got more interest and you want to know more about the marches, do go to the Facebook page. I think Natalie's got a page on X as well. The page on Facebook is purely just called million women march, and there, you'll be able to find out all of the groups that are happening, that are setting up marches for that date. And, you know, if you've got a little town and you're thinking you wanna do some stuff, get get involved as well. Please do. Are you back with us, Natalie? I'm gonna end the call and recall her.
We were doing so well. It must be the incoming snow that's happening. Apparently, between 3 AM and midday tomorrow. We lost you there, my lovely. Oh, you're back. I'm back. More more to the point, you're back. Don't leave me here by myself. But, yeah, sorry. I don't know, how much you were talking and, we missed.
[00:40:37] Unknown:
No. I was just saying, you know, you never any child could be a victim and any adult could be a predator, and I think that needs to be recognized. There are different communities that engage in different types of behavior, and there are certainly different percentages and statistics. But ultimately, if we fight for blanket improvement of how the police deal with things, how different groups deal with things, you know, social services, the NHS reporting. If we all if the entire system is overhauled, I think, and it and everybody is treated with exactly the same punishment, I think that a lot of race relations would die down. I think that that would be a fair way, to deal with everything.
[00:41:40] Unknown:
Sure. Sure. Well, fingers crossed. Fingers crossed that, you know, some of these, have have you had any MPs get in touch or anything like that?
[00:41:51] Unknown:
We have deliberately not involved or contacted anybody because we do maintain and we are very because we are all different, we are so many we are such a multifaceted group of people that are engaging and so, you know, from all sorts of different political backgrounds, we just feel like the MPs have had their chance, You know, this has been going on for 30 years. They haven't done anything. They're all using it as a political football now. You know, the Tories were in power for 14 years. They never did anything. Labour were in power when this began. You know, there were reports of Gordon Brown saying that these chill these little girls are making a lifestyle choice.
They're all complicit. They're all involved. They've all turned the other way. And now labor are back in power and they're not really doing anything. And I think a lot of people feel also maybe that reform didn't mention it leading up to the election. So why are you mentioning it now? It just feels a little bit gratuitous and vulgar. We we all feel collectively that all of these MPs have had the opportunity to do something, and they haven't. And they knew it was happening. The J report happened. The NSPCC made a note in 2019 that 19,000 little girls every single year as young as 5 in England and Wales alone were being groomed and sexually exploited.
Nothing was done with that information. They've all just only ever spoken on the subject when they can use it as a weapon to hit the opposition, And they've nobody has ever said, let's we really need to deal with this. And MPs that have spoken out, like Sarah Champion, who was a Labour MP under Jeremy Corbyn, she was sacked. You know, Jess Phillips is getting a lot of hassle now, but she has consistently tried to raise the subject of, grooming gangs and all sorts of, like, race or religion based, child sexual exploitation, you know, things like FGM and stuff like that too.
But whilst everybody has tried everybody claims they've tried, nobody has done enough. Let's be honest. Nobody has done enough. These are people that are paid by us to run the country.
[00:44:25] Unknown:
Yeah. I've lost a bit looking back. You never see in the manifestos when an election is coming anything about this sort of thing, really.
[00:44:33] Unknown:
No. Never. I mean, there was reform did actually have something in their manifesto, but it was about 3 lines long. It wasn't serious.
[00:44:44] Unknown:
And, I mean, this march is not just aimed at those victims of, child trafficking and grooming and stuff like that. It's all about the children, isn't it? And this this topic is just so vast, like, whether it be domestic violence, rape, you know, all of those things that have touched on people's lives.
[00:45:07] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, look at that little baby p little baby Peter, you know, years he was only about 2 and a half and poor little thing died. You know, he had his fingernails removed, his poor little broken body, you know, and even then the sentencing was rubbish. I mean, they murdered that little boy and his mother is out now. Should she should rot in jail Yeah. Yeah. Till she draws her last breath. Almost more than the abuse the man that killed him because she just didn't do anything.
[00:45:45] Unknown:
That's that's just awful, though, isn't it? I mean, that that whole scenario, and I mean, it takes me something that I think about regularly because I suppose it hit me at the time, like, so much of the country was the whole Jamie Bolger murder. Oh, You know? And I mean, that was done by Why are they out? Sorry?
[00:46:03] Unknown:
Why are they out walking the street? Oh, in Cornwall as well. Yeah. I heard I understand that they were they were placed before their trial. They spent time in a flat in Falmouth, in Penrhyn. Right.
[00:46:18] Unknown:
We seem to be the dumping ground for all of them, actually. We had Gary Glitter before he was sent to prison, didn't we? Yeah. Yeah. Well, a lot of these people that we see loitering in our town and stuff, we know they're sent down from Manchester and places like that to get out of town.
[00:46:33] Unknown:
We had a man in dumps in Canborne called the monster of Sligo, and he was one of Ireland's most prolific and worst child sex abusers. He was given a life sentence. For some bizarre reason, they let him out of prison, and then they dumped him in Cornwall in Camborne. Lovely. Lovely. He was seen walking about.
[00:46:55] Unknown:
But, like, go back to, like, the psychology, like, the whole Jamie, Boulder case. Mhmm. They were, what, one was 10 and one was 11. They I mean, how on earth I mean, that was the first time I think this country had seen anything on that level by such young people. How how do you have the right then to say that your life has gone forever? I mean, what sort of upbringing did they have for them to go and do something like that? Were they they not victims themselves?
[00:47:24] Unknown:
Possibly. There was case not trying to stand up for them. But No. No. You're not. You're just trying to be pragmatic. Yeah. There was, a case in America. He did a shooting. He went into a school and he shot up a load of kids, about 2 years ago. His parents have now been convicted because the judge ruled that they didn't do right by they create the monster basically by their bad decisions as adults. Right. So they've been now prosecuted. They his parents and him. Yeah. I I think I think holding parents accountable for children's behavior is would be a massive stick, Didn't you? Yeah. Yeah. How much life crime do we see in the UK? How much of that could be dealt with if parents were held legally responsible and faced a prison sentence. If their if their child is caught walking around with a machete or a knife
[00:48:30] Unknown:
Well, I don't know if you heard on the news today. I mean, I think it was yesterday, a 14 year old boy in Woolwich was murdered on a bus, stabbed repeatedly. And his mum supposedly said, I always knew he would die young. You know, he was already in care, but 14 years old. And I mean, you know, I don't know how many hours away Woolwich is from us, but it's in this country.
[00:48:55] Unknown:
I thought it was Greenwich.
[00:48:57] Unknown:
I'm sure it was Woolwich, but something on the end.
[00:49:01] Unknown:
You know what? Yeah. Yeah.
[00:49:04] Unknown:
But it's just,
[00:49:05] Unknown:
you know, he was already in care and his mother knew what way he was going. Well, we we don't know for what reasons that he was in care. But Well, this is the thing is is a is a pic a wider picture of society and how it's been broken down deliberately or otherwise, but, you know, the amount of single moms, and this is raising a generation full of fatherless children and we the crime statistics do show that most crime is carried out by boys that don't have fathers in their lives or good fathers in their lives.
[00:49:37] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:49:38] Unknown:
This is this is a serious issue. So maybe the government could have a a deep consideration about, you know, consequences for fathers that, you know, don't play an active and positive role within their children's life. If if their child, their son, especially goes on to commit something horrific,
[00:50:01] Unknown:
you know, or do you think we need to start looking at those sort of things? Well, the family is just not what it used to be, is it? How many people do you know? You know, I've been a single parent. I'm not with any of my children's dad. And I think for my middle son, you know, it affected him massively massively. They need boys need fathers just like they need mothers. They need that role model. And, you know, he's 24, and he's calmed down. Not he was never to the extent that bad, you know, out doing drugs and stuff, but I struggled. And his dad should have stepped up, but I suppose out of spite of it hard. It's extremely hard as a single mom
[00:50:38] Unknown:
to play both roles. Yeah. To be the caregiver and the loving one, you know, keep the house clean, cook dinner and everything, and also be the authoritarian.
[00:50:49] Unknown:
Yeah. My quote, like, with my 11 year old is, mum first, friend second. It's changed with my older ones, but it is hard sometimes because you do want to be like the nice person, but ultimately, you've got to implicate these rules. I think it's like by the age of 6, if they've not reached that level of awareness of, like, empathy and stuff, they're never gonna get it.
[00:51:13] Unknown:
Yeah. There's been quite a lot of extensive studies that if children don't understand empathy by 6 years old, it's basically the cutoff point. So they can understand the concept of the dictionary meaning of the words, but they just don't feel empathy. No. No. And, you know, I mean, how many I mean, the amount of single moms in this country now is insane. The amount of those moms that have to go out and work full time and so the check care of their children is handed over to basically, you know, very young childless people that work in childcare. And then they're they're funneled through the education system run by mainly young teachers that don't have children themselves, you know, the whole system is just on its knees.
Yeah. Yeah. Well You know, and and school is supposed supposed to prepare children for adulthood but you know, most teachers have never left the educational system themselves. They've never been in the workplace. The workplace in that the rest of the country knows it. You know, most qualified teachers have been within the education system since they started reception, then they've gone through school, done college, gone to university, and then they've gone back into a school as a job. But we're entrusting these people, and it's not an insult to them. It's just a fact that that is the system.
So we are entrusting these very young teachers, most of whom don't have children themselves to train our teach and train our children how to adjust to adulthood and the workplace and understand the importance of dressing smartly or, you know, following certain rules of whatever corporation you go off working to or, you know, hard work on a building site. You know, is the blind leading the blind?
[00:53:22] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. It is. It is. Anyway, moving forward because we've just got less than 5 minutes to go.
[00:53:29] Unknown:
I can't be talking.
[00:53:31] Unknown:
You you're good, Natalie. I love it when I chat to you because you you chat. Tell us a little bit about the starting point of the London march underneath the statue of Boudicca is where you're meeting. And lots of people don't know the story of Boudicca. Could you spend a couple of minutes and just give people I mean, it's sad because that's in our, like, main town city, London. Yeah. And there's so many statues there that it's like, oh, who's that? What are they you know? Anyway, can you tell us quick Yeah. Most people don't know the difference between Boudicca and Britannia, but Boudicca
[00:54:07] Unknown:
before England was England or the UK was the UK or Great Britain, long before any of that, there were hundreds of tribes all over the the United Kingdom. And in Norfolk there was the Iceni tribe which were a very substantial tribe of Celts and queen Boudiccia and her husband ruled that particular area of land. When the Romans invaded there were lots of agreements in place that she that they would maintain that land and their own culture and language and heritage and the like and be able to manage it as they wish. But then as soon as her husband died the Romans just you know started taking food they'd grown, animals they'd farmed and the like and so Boudiccia or Boudicca as they call her now she was the Queen of the Iceni, so she approached the Roman general generals with her 2 daughters because she was the Queen and said you know, this is out of order, this isn't what we had agreed. So they violently assaulted her and flogged her and beat her up and incapacitated her. And then when she couldn't move, they they ordered their garrison of Romans to soldiers to gang rape her daughters.
And she couldn't do anything but watch and scream. It was horrific. And, they her and her daughters made their way back to the Iceni tribe and everybody was mortified. And within within about a week, they had raised an army all over the British Isles of about a 120,000 Celts to fight the Roman army Wow. In revenge of defiling her her virgin daughters and she would have won but, obviously they didn't have mobile phones then and there was a cross communication and, they were headed off at the pass and it in, intercepted and they were looked like they were going to lose the battle and she couldn't bear to go through that again, so she took poison and killed herself.
But it just seemed very poignant given what's come out the last couple of weeks. There's the statue of Boudicca in on Westminster Bridge. She has her back to London, because one of the things she did was her and her army burned London to the ground. So the statue is strategically placed to show Boudicca with her back to the burning London, and it just feels quite poignant given what's come out over the last week. Absolutely. But people as mothers, as women, that are watching the true horrors, the extent of the true horror of the grooming gang scandal unfold that we start at Boudicca, the the first warrior queen that said I will never let anybody touch my children, my little girls.
I'll die before I let anything like that ever happen to them ever again. So it just seems very poignant that we start at her. At her spot. But we have run out of time, Natalie,
[00:57:45] Unknown:
but, I won't worry about playing out the outro music. But thank you so much for being a guest this evening, and I wish you all the luck in the world. This is gonna be awesome. See you next week, guys. Love you lots. Love you too. Take care. Bye. Bye. You still there, babe? Yeah. Oh, and the podcast. Yes.
[00:58:10] Unknown:
Thanks for that. That was lovely. That's alright. Is there any way Yeah. Is there any way you can blank out my surname Brian at the beginning?
[00:58:19] Unknown:
I can try. I can put a bleep on it. Yes. Bleep.
[00:58:23] Unknown:
Just so that on the white and the Brian, just I just don't want any trouble for the kids.
[00:58:29] Unknown:
Yeah. No. That's fine. Absolutely. I will have a little look in a minute. Alright, my darling. Well, thanks for that. That was really, really interesting. And, yeah, we'll speak very soon, no doubt. We might be without seeing Tranny as well, which is important. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Right. Well, I'm gonna go get another glass of wine nonalcoholic wine, and I'll let you get back to all your messages and everything. Yeah. Crikey. Alright, sweetheart. Take care. Care. Thanks very much, Bev. Bye. Bye, love. Bye bye.
Introduction and Greetings
Organising the Million Women March
Horrific Cases of Child Abuse
The Role of Social Media and Public Reaction
Global Expansion of the March
Challenges and Criticisms
Goals and Demands of the March
Ethnicities and Child Exploitation
Broader Issues of Child Welfare
Historical Context and Symbolism
