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The Shelley Tasker Show is a dynamic, thought-provoking program hosted by Shelley Tasker every Wednesday at 7pm uk time. Hour 2 is Co-hosted with the great Mallificus Scott. The show offers insightful commentary, interviews, and discussions on current events, culture, and social issues. With a focus on honest dialogue and independent perspectives, The show provides an open space for exploring diverse viewpoints and tackling important topics with authenticity and thoughtfulness. Whether you’re looking for fresh takes on trending issues or in-depth conversations,


In this episode of the Shelley Tasker Show, Shelley welcomes Mark Byford, also known as the Bowler Hat Farmer, to discuss the exciting developments in the agricultural sector. Mark shares updates on the Food Finders Hub, a platform designed to connect farmers and consumers directly, offering a range of services from farm directories to land registry sections and fundraising opportunities for community projects. He highlights the growing trend among farmers to move away from supermarkets and embrace organic, sustainable farming practices. Mark also discusses the challenges farmers face, such as inheritance tax and fertilizer bans, and the innovative solutions being developed, including mobile abattoirs and community-driven farming initiatives.

Later in the episode, Shelley and her co-host Mallificus Scott delve into a range of topics, including the complexities of antisemitism and the historical context of Jewish persecution, as explored in a book by Mallificus's grandfather. They also touch on the current political climate, the impact of tariffs, and the importance of open dialogue and debate. The episode concludes with a celebration of Farmer Pete's recent election success in Cornwall, highlighting the growing influence of grassroots political movements.

[00:01:13] Unknown:

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker Show coming live out of radiosoapbox.com.   It's good to have your company.   We are streaming live on Rumble as well. My channel is Shelley Tasker,   so you can find me there. We've got a great guest lined up this evening.   Today's date, we better get the date in, Wednesday 04/09/2025.   We are well into spring, almost summer ish in Cornwall here today.   Anyway,   so Mark has just messaged me and says he cannot get on for love nor money. That's rumble again, but not to worry. I'm gonna call him via rumble.   So   Mark Byford, also known as the bowler hat farmer, he is our guest for hour one this evening.  

And it's been a few months since we talked to him, so let's give him a call,   and we'll go from there because whilst everything should work.   Good evening.  

[00:02:11] Unknown:

Good evening.  

[00:02:13] Unknown:

Hello, mister Mark Byford. How are you doing? I'm so sorry. I've tried everything for about twenty minutes. Oh, don't worry, Mark. Don't worry. I mean, I don't know. I think sometimes it seems to play up on the phone, but it seems to be happening regularly. I don't know why. But don't worry. Messenger is fine. We can hear you. We just get to miss your picture of you wearing your lovely hat.   So how are you doing?  

[00:02:37] Unknown:

We're alright. We've, we've had a busy few weeks,   and we've got a busy,   four months ahead with the tour.  

[00:02:45] Unknown:

Right.   So, I mean, the last time we spoke, Mark, you was just getting the food Food Finders hub up and running.   Tell us a bit about that. How's that been going? Explain to some of the listeners because they probably won't know what the Food Finders Hub is. Well, I'll I'll tell you where we are on that at present.  

[00:03:02] Unknown:

Right. We launched it, obviously,   with,   what should we say, limited resources.   And,   we wanted to see if it was gonna work before we spent a load of money on it.   We launched it, and we had 7,000 people join in the first five weeks,   and 300 farmers.   So we've gone right back to the drawing board, sat down with loads of farmers all over The UK to find out   what the hell,   they actually want from the site and the public what they want. So we kinda took it out of the way for a little while. Didn't advertise it. Just let it tick away in the background.   Now we've built a whole new site what goes live in the next forty eight hours,   which has got   such, Shelly, so many facilities on it for,   I tell you what. Let let let me just tell you some of them because it's just Yeah. Just go for it. It it's it's all got a bit exciting. So one of the things what came out of it is the farmers didn't want it just to be another directory.  

So   the farmers can advertise their   shop farm location   on there,   and the public can search that. So that's the standard directory side.   Phase two, which,   excuse me, will be the next phase,   will be   a phase where the farmers can sell their produce directly via their page.   Right. On on from there, there'll be a,   a land,   registry section. So if someone wants to buy a piece of land or somebody wants to sell a piece of land,   if somebody wants to rent a piece of land out or someone wants to rent an actual piece of land to grow on, then there'll be a a countrywide directory on there   of all the people who have land available.  

Because that's one of the biggest things I get asked while I'm going around the country is I wanna get into farming and growing food. How do I do it? Where do I do it?   So   excuse me. So that's all coming into play.   Another thing which we're launching as well as,   for the smaller   farms and, especially community projects place people like that   is a fundraising   side where   we'll be able to give them the opportunity via the platform to be able to raise funds for a particular project. So if I use my cousin Mike as a fine example, he's got a 15 acre council farm.   He's   loving life on the farm, but he's struggling to earn any money, Shelley.  

Now for him, he's got a beautiful 72 foot polytunnel.   All the metal frameworks up, all the woodwork, the doors are on, everything, but he hasn't got any sheet of plastic on it because it costs £500 and he hasn't got it.   So   we're gonna give people the opportunity to be able to fundraise by that and the public be able to donate via GoFundMe to,   fund the projects they want.   We've got so much going on on there. It's unbelievable. We've got   qualified vets now that have come in,   people who work with   within the   chemistry side that wants to challenge the environment agency over certain things. So we've got lots and lots of stuff going on the background now. Now since we spoke last, all this is also now inside the CIC.  

The Community Interest Foundation,   is set up.   The next step for that is to put the trustees on board   and to start fundraising for that, and then we'll obviously be able to help fund, fund projects as well. For for us, we're working with,   an organization called Crops Not Shops   and another organization called Organity.   So Crops Not Shops,   is about community run farms where people live   on the farm as the part of the community or just go and help whenever they want to to grow food. I do like the idea of that.   Well, Shelley, they've got the most brilliant I I I went down to Glastonbury on tour the other day, and we while we were down there, we did,   took the opportunity to go and see a guy called Shay,   Shay who runs the, project down at Glastonbury.  

Shelley, they got such a beautiful,   philosophy on growing vegetables. So   first off, they feed the people on the farm.   Secondly, they feed local people who are, low income families, elderly families,   you know, people in need.   And then anything what's left, they sell to raise money.   And to me, that is just beautiful.   So we're getting heavily involved with them. They're looking to set up 25 farms themselves over the course of next year.   Organity   are an organization that have set up that are launching food hubs, physical food hubs   in a town,   and they get twenty, thirty, 40, 50, hundred people together,   who all want their fruit and veg and meat and everything delivered on one day to a a central location, and they all go and collect it.  

Brilliant. You know, whether it's a farm barn or something, it's bringing the community back together.   They launched one in the the the the the Stanstedts and Abbotts just outside Bishop's store for the other day. We went down, and they've got stalls all down. They're advertising different things, but they've got the girls down. There's moreganity,   promoting what they're doing and how that's gonna work. And they, you know, they've already got about 30 customers down there. So   there's some really, really exciting projects going on for us.   The online food hub, what we've built, is kind of the gel that fits it all together.  

So there is the opportunity for the, for   big farmers to be involved   and to to start to understand   who they can now supply. Because a lot of farmers, Shelley, are wanting to come away from the supermarkets.   Good. So they're wanting to come away from supermarkets, but that obviously leaves them a challenge of who the hell do they sell to. Well,   Organity, for a fine example, of they   have their growth stem because they can't find enough farmers to supply them. So as I'm going round finding more farmers and more suppliers, they can obviously supply into organic.   And   and what we find at the minute, Shelley, is there's a lot of farmers are looking to come away from the old agribusiness   of, lots of chemicals. Lots of farmers are starting to realize they've gotta go back to growing organically,   naturally,   nutritionally,   seasonally, all the things we talk about.  

So so what we're finding is that those farmers are starting to wake up very much on the scale of what's going on, and they're looking to see how they can best get involved and see how they can help. So   and there's also I've been involved in talks as well. It just gets better.   With lots of farmers across The UK, we actually set up a coop   that is completely farmer run. So and that would potentially take in their own supermarket. So they'll have a branded name on their farm shop.   They could potentially do bigger supermarkets,   and they all work under one banner, and they could then   stop the stuff going into the supermarkets,   but and also supply into,   smaller wholesalers and,   you know,   and start to look at a whole different way of, of growing and selling.  

Shelley, there's so much going on from an excite an exciting point of view within the industry at the moment. Yes. I know there's a massive amount of challenges within the industry with inheritance tax,   with   banning fertilizer,   the threat of red diesel,   discounted,   fuel.   There's there's just   farmers have got everything stacked against them. You know?   They're looking to seize land so they can build houses to   house whoever they desire.   And   in all of this, farmers have still got to try and earn a living.   And what I've been doing is going around talking to farmers saying, look. Do you realize if you grow wheat, for instance,   you're gonna earn potentially a hundred and £60   an acre per year after you've paid for everything? If you grow vegetables, you'll earn £4,000   an acre.  

So farmers are starting to understand, actually, they can live without the,   subsidies what they were getting.   They can do away with the subsidies they're still getting for things like growing while bloody bird feed everywhere.   So we're starting to see a whole new principle to farming, Shelley, and it's very exciting, I gotta say.  

[00:11:43] Unknown:

It's great. I mean, crikey, you're so busy. I do watch your clips that you put up on your Facebook page and stuff.   You you fill on, and, obviously,   you'll come in to Truro in just over a week or so, aren't you? And I am. Yeah. We there, Mark.   Are you coming, are you? Well, Jo Wood is well, you know, I've I always think my days are done, but Jo's like, you're coming. You're coming.   Yeah. You you know in this industry, and You don't say no to Jo Wood, do you? No. No. We're we're staying with Jo for I think we're with Jo for three or four nights. Yeah. And you you put her on a major house tidying mission, I tell you. Is what she's needed.  

[00:12:22] Unknown:

She did say that to me.   So, yeah, we're, I'm excited about going. So   where are we going this time? Because we we sort of go and do a couple of weeks to come back, come go and do it, but we this time, we're away for a lot lot longer. We're away, I think, this time eight weeks. So we're going to Ledbury First, which we're gonna do a farmer's market   and do a talk in the evening.   Then the next day, we get a Western Super Meal with Sovereign Pete and Richard Bobes.   Then we head down to Glastonbury for two days. Then we head down to Somerton in Exeter.   Then we head   to Truro.  

And then we've gotta go to a little town just outside Truro to meet with another CIC, which is interested in working with us.   Then we're going to Barnstable,   I think, which is in the top end of Devon. Mhmm.   We're staying,   at Nikki's,   sheep and beef farm,   in the little cabin she's got there for us. Before we head oh, then we're going back to Somerton   to do a talk on electro culture.   And then the next day, we head up to Burnley, which is a long drive.  

[00:13:29] Unknown:

And then you're gonna need a well earned break, I'm sure.  

[00:13:33] Unknown:

Well,   I think Well, I suppose it's just creating such a buzz, though. You think how far was just gonna say. And the last last year. My partner, Gloria, she's been with me a year now,   and she's been in The UK. I don't know about sort of just over eighteen months, two years. She's come from Nigeria. She's come here to live. We met up. She's now getting the chance to tour the country, and it and already in a year, she's seen more of the country than I have in fifty seven.   You know, or the same amount, let's say. So it's it's brilliant. And we're getting the chance to   because we're staying with friends and new friends along the way, lots of people are just, oh, no. Come and stay with us. So we've bought a little camper van, and as yet, we haven't ended up sleeping in it. So,   I'm not I'm not publicizing the fact we've got it too much because it's only tiny. And,   so but we you know, people are kindly putting this up. We were standing,   South Wales the other day after Glastonbury, and then we went into London.  

Yeah. We we're literally all over the show.  

[00:14:32] Unknown:

It's brilliant. And I loved one of your videos, another way of farming with your partner,   carrying buckets on her head.  

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Bless do you know? I I used to carry a lot of stuff about in my head, but I always had to hold it. I just cannot, for love and the money, can't keep it up there. She just puts the box on the head and wanders about with it. And I'm like, how do you do that? She said, it's easy. She said, in Nigeria, when you're a child, they put a bucket on your head full of water.   Just a little bucket. When you're about five, six years old. They put a bucket on your head. And if you spill it, you have to walk back to the river and fill it up again. And you just keep doing it until you can do it.   She said, so you don't have a chance to say no. You're taught from, you know, walking age.  

You know, they start putting things on their head even if it's only a tail wrapped up on their head and they have to balance it. So it's taught into the girls from a very, very young age. So Just the girls?   Yeah. So it seems. Yeah.  

[00:15:28] Unknown:

Oh, well, I'm glad to see that you, like, settled down and somebody's like, well, totally got your back. And she's a bit of a podcaster as well, isn't she? She is.  

[00:15:37] Unknown:

I do about one video every two or three days, you know, and I'm very fortunate now. We get up to about 75,000   followers across socials.   She posts about 20 times a day,   and she's just launched her channel. So I think she's got about a hundred people on Facebook and a hundred people on,   on YouTube. Yeah. She goes under Oge Speaks, so it's o g e Speaks.   And she   she just loves it. And she's so what's happening, Shelley, is I'm going around, obviously, doing the talks,   to the public, and we're going out to visit farmers, and I'm interviewing people, and and it's all great. But Gloria's documenting the whole journey, so she's documenting   the the countryside we're seeing, the animals we're seeing in fields, the bridges we're crossing, the tunnels we're going under. Lots of things what most people in the country have probably never seen.  

So it's a completely different side to the journey.   Yeah. No. It's great. It's great showing people that's going on. She you're saying she's so excited about it, and as the numbers are growing, she's like, oh, I got another follower. So it's lovely.  

[00:16:39] Unknown:

Oh, great stuff.   I've seen your I love your T shirt for your tour, for the system tour.  

[00:16:47] Unknown:

I've got to order another load tomorrow, and I reckon I'm gonna have to have them delivered straight to Truro because we   we're selling about sort of 25,   30 at an an event. And I I had 200 come originally, and I worked out, and I was like, Christ, you know, we we're really low. And I've had another 50 no. I have a hundred in, and they've nearly all gone as well. So I worked out today. We've got about sort of 60 shirts left, so I'm gonna have to have another load delivered before we get the Truro.  

[00:17:13] Unknown:

Oh, great stuff. No. It's exciting exciting times ahead. And what is your other amazing news?  

[00:17:21] Unknown:

Well, I don't know if you've heard, but we've there   I'm I was just about to say we have, but I am a member of let's put it like that.   There's a new political party launched called Farmers Food and Freedom Party.  

[00:17:33] Unknown:

I saw it. What an amazing idea.  

[00:17:36] Unknown:

And so what they're looking to do there is some big names have already got involved, but we're not allowed to say until after the April 25 who they are.  

[00:17:44] Unknown:

But you will know them. Well, you're one of them, I presume, Mark. Sorry? You're one of them?  

[00:17:50] Unknown:

No. I'm not. I I'm gonna be very much,   the front man and for the advertising and everything else, but I'm not gonna stand.   Unfortunately, I've got too many commitments already, and,   we're also,   moving as well. I'm moving off the farm. We're on my uncle's farm, but sadly, he passed.   So we're having to leave the farm, which is a bit of a shame because we've got all the veg beds and everything set up. But   adversity equals opportunity.   We have been offered   several new sites to go farm,   which have got houses included. But,   yeah, we'll see where we end up. I'm not gonna make any sort of decisions yet because I've got aging parents as well. Me and my dad's 84, mom's 78,   and they're getting to the point they're kind of wanting and relying a lot more than they used to.  

And as I'm the only son,   I tell them, every time I go through the door, there's about 200 jobs on a list of all the things what they can't manage to do do themselves anymore. Yeah. It comes back time, doesn't it, when you parent you become the parent of your parents. Absolutely.   So, you know, my children are a bit less demanding. Now now my parents are, you know, quickly taking up the time, so bless them. They're they're good as gold. I mean, they don't ask for a great deal, I've got to say. It's only if they really can't do they ask.   So, so, yeah, shelling has so much done. And what's exciting about it all it all   interacts each bit interacts with the next bit, and it all fits together.  

And, you know, even the political parties, I'm going round talking to farmers,   and farmers are saying, you know, what we really need is, you know, a whole new, you know,   understanding that, you know, grassroots,   up. And I say to people that, you know, Shelley, I've always been someone for years and years and years that I didn't vote because I genuinely   didn't see there was any any point in it because   red or blue, take whichever pill you want, you get the same result.  

[00:19:37] Unknown:

Yeah.  

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What I like about this is if it's   a lot of it comes from   the the grassroots with new people who have never done politics,   I think you need some strong people at the front. Don't be wrong. But I think what this really needs is a massive amount of   farmers, builders,   bakers, butchers, candlestick makers, whatever it might be, to come out of their comfort zone and stand   for their local council. Stand, you know, and to be a local politician, whatever. And it needs to be, I think, people that have never done it before, never been involved. Because they're not gonna be bought off like, you know, like most people in politics that they're already bought and paid for before they get to the MP stage. And I think that's what we need to kind of eradicate, really,   and and a whole new   kind of ethos to it and a whole new understanding of what's expected of them as well. I was having a conversation with a lady today, and she said to me and the the words stuck. And I was like, wow. She said, the problem is, Mark, there has been no accountability   to MPs or counselors for so long.  

They've got a way of it, and they think they still can. Obviously, us a lot of waking up, and we're starting to now challenge them and question what they're doing and, you know, make sure we keep them on, tight. But they're very slow at coming forward on that because they've had so many years with the gravy boat being really good.  

[00:21:01] Unknown:

Yeah. It's it's been interesting watch it all unfold, actually, the last couple of years because the first I'd known about this big farmers movement was   seeing the trucks and stuff in America,   and it all seemed to be a lot bigger at the line than us. All the tractors meeting up and stuff like that. And in the last  

[00:21:19] Unknown:

eighteen months, it's just gone nuts, hasn't it? Yeah. I mean, a lot of that has been driven by I I will say Farmers to Action as a group Yeah. Have been brilliant at driving things forward.   The NSU stands for no fecking use because that's what they they they are. National farming union to the others that don't know.   I like that. No fecking use. Yeah. But, you know, but Farmers to Action have have have done really good decisive,   targeting.   And on the tenth, the eleventh, and the April 12, I will say that they've got   huge demonstrations going on nearly in every major city across the country.  

That is something what's gonna be really, really big. And they're calling for not just the farmers. They're calling for the public to join them, the veterans, the,   lorry drivers, you know, the housewives,   everybody.   Everyone who thinks there's an issue with present government   needs to be on the streets those days,   and really make a big thing of you know, this isn't about the farmers. Yes. They're farmers to action are organizing it,   but it very much isn't about just farmers. It's about everybody taking action against the government.   You know, and, obviously, just prior to the,   the local elections as well,   to see what impact they can have on getting rid of a load of the labor counselors. I mean, the problem we've got where we are, we're under devolution.  

So we're not having any elections, which they, you know, we voted against, but, you know, the the council has kindly voted it through without us knowing.   Oh, like they do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so, well, you know, we know. Portnoy.  

[00:22:54] Unknown:

Yeah. It would be lovely to get out of this system, wouldn't it? I mean, it's so exciting. I was so excited when you just bought up the Food Finders Hub, and I think the more and more people I speak to, they're now, like, sourcing   meat produce, vegetables.   There seems to be a lot more people going to the farm shops and stuff. Yeah. One thing I will say,  

[00:23:12] Unknown:

down   everything sort of Westcountry,   the minute you get from Glastonbury onwards,   there seems to be a lot bigger demand down that way.   I don't know if it's because of the availability.   Where we are in, East Anglia?   Oh, Shelley, it's painful. So we grow   six to seven major crops in East Anglia.   We grow wheat, barley, sugar beet, oats,   maize, and rapeseed. That's that's kind of it.   Mhmm. And none of those can you eat.   Not directly. So they're not a direct food source. They all get used for food processing.   Right.   So I'm going around saying to farmers, when are you gonna grow some food? They say, oh, we grow wheat and barley. You know? Yeah. Yeah. I know. But it has to get processed wheat. I can't come on, You know? I wouldn't go and get a bucket of, you know,  

[00:24:01] Unknown:

wheat and start eating it. And So unless it's processed, Mark, is there is there any particular use for it apart from, like, hay for animals and   straw and stuff?  

[00:24:11] Unknown:

No.   If you take away the processing side I understand you've got a grind wheat to make flour. I get that. Mhmm. And I might like that situation. But the problem is let's take like, take them one at a time. Sugar. Do we really need it? No. Because we can have honey. You know? But Mhmm. The vast, vast amounts of sugar will get consumed in this country, which is unhealthy anyway.   Rapeseed is carcinogenic.   We're not supposed to have,   rape oil anyway.   Then you go to barley. Well, what's it used for apart from brewing beer?   Yeah. Yeah. You know? You could you yeah. Do you know what they do? They they grow   fucking hundreds upon thousands of acres of maize in The UK, and and then they cut it all and put it into biomass.  

So it's just biomass. Sorry. So right. So biomass is where they put it into,   like,   a a heater.   And as it, degrades   and turns back into compost, it gives off heat, which turns the turbine, which generates electricity,   or   they make,   like a a diesel out of it,   to run engines on. Well, there's plenty of oil in the ground. Use that. We're giving up agricultural land to make energy when we don't need to.   It's just you you just couldn't write it even if you tried to write it. That that they they did that. That's fascinating.   Massive. So you see these domes on farms, and that's what they are, these big domes.  

They're biomass,   boilers.   So, you know, if you take out that, you take out your right oil seed rate, you take out the sugar beet, you take out the barley,   what else is there? You know, you've got a bit of wheat for bread. Now we could be growing a lot more food food,   a lot more fruit and veg. We could be growing a lot more meat or producing a lot more meat. And, you know, this is what I'm trying to get through to farmers. You know? Don't worry about what the WEF is slightly trying to push through their agendas.   Get more animals on the farm. You know? One of the things which I have started to see is a lot more community driven. I don't know if you you do you know Catherine McBee?  



[00:26:14] Unknown:

Yes.  

[00:26:15] Unknown:

Catherine. Love Catherine a bit. She started a project,   last last year, maybe even the year before, called guard the gate.   And that the idea of that was that the community would come together, and if the farmer put out an SOS sign that DEFRA were there to cull their animals,   then the the community would go to the farm, stand in the way until someone's tested the animals properly because the PCR tests they use are absolutely useless. They're about as much use as the PCR test, what they tested us a lot with. We all know how that worked out.   So yeah.  

So that it's the it's the public   waking up,   uniting, and coming together,   which is so powerful. And we're now starting to see that, you know, lots of farms are giving up a small area of their farm. Let's you know, they've got 500 acres, and they give up an acre for the local village to grow, fruit and veg.   You can grow a massive amount of fruit and veg on an acre.   The community gets some good quality fruit and veg. The farmer gets some of the veg.   And, you know, and from the farmer's point of view, realistically, he's probably losing a 60   and not having to do any work to earn it. So   we're starting to see a lot of these projects taking off across The UK. The next thing for me,   once I've got the hub sorted out and got that all up and running, is I'm gonna start fundraising   to,   look at mobile   abattoirs.  



[00:27:42] Unknown:

Okay. Right. So mob an abattoir being somewhere you kill the animals for heat. Yep. Yep. So why mobile then, Mark? Okay. So one of the challenges is that  

[00:27:53] Unknown:

the WEF   via Bill Gates and George Soros and whoever else,   kindly bought up most of the abattoirs across the country, all the small ones, and then closed them. So it's very difficult now to get an abattoir to take your meat to butcher.   So   that's putting a lot of people in an awkward position because they're having to then travel a hundred miles maybe to get an abattoir to butcher the meat,   and they leave it there, drive home, four days later go back and pick it up. It's a 400 mile round trip, and it takes all the, you know, all the profit out of the job. So Yeah. Ludicrous.   What what we're now looking at is mobile abattoirs where we can go in on the day   and kill, slaughter,   butcher on the spot, all done, ready, and the customers pick it up at the end of the day.  

Wow. And that gives the speed to it. It gives the ability for the farmers to be able to do,   in a hurry,   you know, without all the stress of the animals of traveling a hundred miles, without   the, implications   of the expense for the farmer. That reflects on the price of the public, and that's where we need to be. You know? The problem, Shelley, we have at present is that food's getting very expensive.   We're seeing that more and more and more,   and it's the poorer people in society that are struggling to make ends meet Yeah. To meet the food bill, to put good quality food on the table for the children to come in an issue, and that is what we've got to address, and we've got to address it fast. Yeah. I'm seeing lots of posts on social media in, like, local groups of people being an anonymous  

[00:29:33] Unknown:

and asking for help whether people have got food donations.   Yep. Yep. If and I've never seen anything like it in my life.  

[00:29:40] Unknown:

I know. Do you know what? I I won't, you know, I won't say who it is, but someone   a female very close to me.   She left her husband this year because of marital breakdown. She's got four children living with her, and she's struggling. And I you know, she's personal friend. I do everything I can to, you know, make sure she's got everything she kind of help, you know, whatever help we can give her. But she's not alone. And, like, you know, she said to me the other day, I went to the food banks, and there's 75 people there.   That Yeah. Was just unheard of. You know?  

And I think  

[00:30:15] Unknown:

Have you ever been to a food bank yourself, Mark? Because I've been with someone when that who I was supporting, and I was quite  

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shocked how it's run. It's just like another shop, isn't it? Like a a supermarket, but with no price tags and Yeah. Stuff like that. It I'll be honest, Shelley. I ended up in a situation some years ago, and I'm going back. Oh, crikey. How old is my boy now? He's that's just about 16 ago. My wife and I had separated, and I I gave her everything, left, and went back to my parents. Then the children decided they want to come and live with dad.   So I then   went and rented a little place, and I was struggling just before Christmas   because I'd always been a dad who had gone to work for really long hours to earn money.  

Wife looked after the kids. She took the kids to school and everything. And suddenly, I had to take the kids to school, get them ready in the morning, get them to school.   Then I had from nine till three instead of three till nine.   Yeah. Yeah.   I was used to going to work at three in the morning, coming home at 09:00 at night. And and earning you know, I was on crap money, but I earned good money because of the amount of hours I was prepared to do. So I ended up completely on my backside.   And I'll I'll tell you the story because if you've got two minutes because It's supposed to be under the rush.   So what happened was on the December 23, a mate of mine came around to see me, and he said and he was a bit like a brother to me. You know, he's and he was a chef, and he come in. He said, oh, yeah. I'll cook you some breakfast. And he went to the cupboard in the fridge, and he went, mate, you ain't got no shopping. I said, no. No. I said, I haven't got any money either. I said,   makes me emotional.  

And I said Bless you. Oh, so I just need to have a sip. You. No. But these are stories that people to know need to know, Mark. You know? Yeah. Definitely. So I said to him, I said, I've got enough money to get the Christmas presents or the Christmas food. I said, so, you know, kids are gonna grow up knowing Father Christmas didn't come, but they probably won't remember if they had beans on toast for Christmas day. So,   he rammished what he could out of the, you know, cupboards for us and chucked something together, and he went off And about 06:00   Christmas Eve morning,   I heard a car driving down the drive. We lived in the middle of nowhere.  

Time I got myself ready and out the door to see who it was. The car had gone, but there was a box of food on the doorstep   with a turkey on top of it, massive, broken box of fruit and veg and everything else. And there was a copy of the film pay it forward with it. And Wow. And a Christmas card just said,   just so you know that somebody cares enough to make sure this happens for you.   When the time's right, pay it forward to somebody   else. And  

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Oh my god. You're making me well up here.  

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Oh, sorry. Crying out of twat. Could you have I'm not on camera in it?   So so I ended   up. The kids had a great Christmas. I bought the Christmas presents that day. They had a great Christmas. I never knew. And the next year,   my mate finally confessed that it was him who did it. And he said, look. He said, I only want you to promise me one thing, he said.   Or two things. He said, one, you'll never end up in the same position again, which I haven't. He said, and two, you have to pay it forward to some other people.   So that   winter,   I posted on Facebook my story,   and I said that I was gonna collect try and collect some food for some people in the community.  

And   it was the about the December 13.   And by the time I finished that night, I'd got about 20 people who had pledged food.   And a mate of mine rang me the next morning. He was a Sainsbury's manager, and he said, I've got permission for you to stand in the foyer,   Sainsbury's in Bury St. Evans,   to tell you a story and to collect food.   And he said,   we collected   enough food the first year to feed 500 families.   Oh, wow. The next year, we collected enough for a thousand. The next year, 5,000. Next year, 10,000.   Oh, you just made all my hair stand up all that. And then we made and then we turned by then, we turned it into a charity, and we, we set up a food bank, and that got handed over to the council in the end for them to run.  

But yeah.  

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Oh, bless you. And that's the thing, isn't it? What what do you cut out? Do you do you not pay a bill? Do you not eat?  

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Oh, that's the one that's the golden question. You know? If you've got kids, I'd go to prison and not pay my bills to feed my kids. That's for sure. Yeah.  

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Oh, well, I'm sorry you went through that, but I do believe that these sorts of things happen and no, because you've you've, you know, you've got the gift of that story and, like, you will pay it forward. You're doing more than paying it forward now for what you're doing. But stories like that, like Alvin Kurtz put in a message messenger chat, true humanity, and that's what it should be about rather than these bastards at the top screwing us all over food and everything.  

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I think it's definitely that point in my life, that kind of two or three days, and then, you know, what we achieved after that. That's what drives me in make wanting to make sure there's food grown in the country because   I think we can all look fairly well agree that there's a deeper darker agenda at foot here, and, you know, I think that probably the next six months show us a very, very lean time for a lot of families.  

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Yeah.   And there there has been the on nymph on the news, hasn't there? There might be food shortages and stuff. Exactly. They're all gonna be packing us. They have to tell you because, you know, it's their rules that they have to let you know. So And fill you with fear.   Sorry? Sorry? And fill you with fear.  

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Absolutely. That golden thing what just embraces your day.  

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Yes. Don't listen to the news if you want a good day. But No. There was somebody I was working with this week that was telling me about the food shortages because I don't look too much up on the mainstream.   No.   But,   you know, I know they've they've been saying this for a long time, and then then she was saying the possibility of war. Well, we know that's always in the background as well, but  

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Well, I'll tell you, I don't know if you know this, Shelley, but   some of the facts which have come out of me doing the talks and things. So   pre pandemic, we had 72%   more food   in the system worldwide than what we do now.  

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How does that work then? Is that because so many people went out of business?  

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That's just the WEF and what they're doing to the world,   and that's what they're doing worldwide.   I I I'm I'm on a fruit and vegetable wholesale company, which we're just in the process of, I'm hoping gonna be selling off.   And I say hoping because I've got other things I wanna go and do now.   But with that, I get we you know, through the wholesalers worldwide, you know, what we buy and import from.   We end up the challenges now that we're getting,   this week as a classic. So I had a message from the company that imports avocados for us, And he said, Mark, just to let you know, he said, we're only gonna be able to supply you one pallet instead of 10 pallets. And I said, well, that's not really a lot of good, is it? You know? He said, problem is he said that,   Argentina and Chile are not releasing any,   avocados   present because they haven't got anything to feed their own population with. So   what you're finding is, you know and that's happening with,   products from Kenya,   Nigeria. Nigeria I mean, you say my partner's Nigerian. Just to give you an example,   Nigeria used to produce   so much food that they had they didn't know what to do with it. They exported 90%   of their food.  

A few years ago,   a delightful man by the name of Billy Boy Gates   decided that he would get involved in the Nigerian food supply   and   desecrated it down to the point that they now only produce 20% of what they need.   That's the desecration he's caused through messing about seeds.  

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Right.  

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That's scary. And we're seeing this all over the shop. You know? So stuff what was rolling in from all over the world   isn't now coming in. And this is why I say to farmers, you know,   we're you know, we've I don't know what age you are, Shelley. I'm 57. For me, I've   always lived in a country, you know, apart from a couple of days in my life, let's say, always lived in a country where we've had an abundance.   We have had an abundance of money. You know? There was always a system in the background that could support you if you were struggling.   There was a system to make sure you could go to hospital and the doctors. There was a system to make sure there was enough food in the country. We didn't really go without anything major.  

And that's changing very fast. And so from a partner who's come across from Nigeria,   she comes here seeing how bad it is now and thinks it's brilliant because she's come from really bad situations.   But for her,   she's now starting because she's obviously been with me, and I'm very awake. She's now starting to really understand what's going on.   And she's obviously trying to warn the family back home because they're saying their food inflation is running at anything up to a % a month.  

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I mean, I noticed today my last two shops, and I'm like, this is crazy.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   Even the basics, you know, we used to buy, you know, a loaf of bread was years ago, thirty nine p. Now you're looking at one pound fifty. You know, your milk's gone up. Your butter, do you know what we now pay as a whole of a wholesale side of our, for our dairy, what we're buying for our customers?   Wholesale on butter now is £2.20   a block. It used to be £1.10.   2 years ago, it's £1.10. It's doubled.   Yeah. And they're tipping the bloody milk down the drain.   I don't know if you if you look at Gareth Wynne Jones on social media today, posted on Facebook,   tank load after tank load of milk being dumped.  

Why is that then? That's to force the bloody price up.   Nothing else.   They're trying to make it scarce, so they're paying the farmers for it and dumping it.  

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But what about the farmers that do that? They're just  

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I don't know. If if that was, like, put to you now, this is what you have to do. Well, the farmers are the farmers are devastated. That's why they're all kicking up about it. Right. Okay. Gareth had said today, you know, she can't believe this. She said that I've been sent this by a farmer,   and it seems to depend who the contractor is. You know? I don't know who the contractor was. They didn't sell, so they don't wanna get the farmer in trouble, but   the farmers were film you know, filming all this milk just being dumped.   This has to stop. You know? This is the bottom line. You know? We all know they're trying to get us to a world where there's no dairy and there's no meat. Well, I ain't taking   place.  

I can tell you now.   I I don't wanna live on oat milk.   No. No. And in And have you ever tried to milk an almond? That's ridiculous.   It's bloody crazy.  

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And and it's interesting actually because when you do here in the supermarkets now, I mean, there's so many I, for one, I'm now, like,   intolerant to dairy.   Okay? Yeah. Yeah. And for six years, I've been taking medications   for,   acid reflux, everything like that. I had a food intolerance. So so you just need raw milk instead?   Well, this is it. And I, you see, last August when I really got into this, I started eating real butter with everything and proper milk,   but   I didn't associate   that the symptoms really got worse with that. Now for some reason over time, I've just become   intolerant to it, but then other people say it's, like, it's another makeup in your body. If you fixed it, maybe you'd be tolerant to it again, which I've yet to look into. But there are so many people now that are dairy intolerant, but when you see the shelves in the supermarkets,   I mean, even my local corner shop, they're full of all the different types of milk, the oat milk,   the almond   milk,  

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all of them. Sugar milk. Lovely. If you knew what they put into milk these days, you wouldn't drink it.  

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Well, this is it, isn't it? Only drink plenty milk. Is that bad? Sweeteners and additives and whiteness.  

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Because the trouble is they they steal all the goodness out of the milk, and then end up with, just the liquidy water. Then they have to put,   like, corn starches and things back in to thicken it up so people actually think they're getting milk. But they're not. They're   just getting shy. This is why I only drink raw milk.  

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Yeah. I will have to get in touch with my dealer, and that's what it's like, isn't it?   Because I found somewhere local, and he was very shirty about it all. And, you know, I had a few deliveries,   well, I had to go I had to drive quite away, like, forty five minute drive to collect it. Mhmm. But, you know, my son was having it. I felt that I was giving him some goodness, but then he stopped drinking it. But I will try raw milk again.   But,   yeah, it is just a crazy system how they try to pasteurize it and just kill everything in it and then add the fortifiers and all that sort of stuff. It's like, why?  

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People say, oh, yeah.   Raw milk's bad for you. No. Yeah. No way.   Interestingly, we was in Cheltenham a few weeks ago doing a speech,   alongside John Cook from Dora's Dairy down at Swindon, and he was talking about the benefits of raw milk and why people   think they're allergic to milk,   and what it is they're actually allergic to within the milk. See, a lot of people can't have the pasteurized,   because their body can't deal with the fact that it's,   not got the, antibodies in it. It's the antibodies, obviously, we all need.   Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it's it's proper crazy, ain't it? And, you know, like you say, you feel like, you know, you feel like you're doing something naughty if you have raw milk.  



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Oh, yeah. Yeah. People have messaged me, and I'm like, well, let me check that I can give the information over. You know?   Because, you know, he's so concerned that he's not allowed to sell it that his business would shut down.  

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Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, there's a lot of the farmers now.   I think in the last three years   that 50% of raw milk farmers have been closed down by Defra.  

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But you can seem to be able to get goat's milk   raw and no problems.  

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A lot a lot of people won't drink that because they say it smells hairy.   I love it. I just love goat's milk. I really do.  

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Yeah. Well, I moved on to that, and I've gotta say it it did turn my stomach for a couple of days. I wasn't in the right headspace. And I know it sounds crazy,   but it's like I'm used to cow's milk. And as somebody else put it, which made me crack up, actually, they said they just imagine because the a goat is a lot smaller that the teats are a lot dirtier  

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and closer to the brows. They will have to get washed before they get milked.  

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But they just didn't fancy it. And I made my mom a coffee with goat's milk, and she didn't notice any different. I think a lot of that is in our head. Yeah. I don't think you notice it if it's, if you drink it out of a bottle, you tend to get that  

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depending on how it's been done on me. I've got a friend who keeps goats, and she literally just squeezes the teat straight into the bottle for me.  

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Lovely. I had a friend that said that. That's what she used to do as a little girl every morning, go milk her goat, and then go and have breakfast. Well, yeah. I mean, when I was a kid, you know, I used to lay on the lay lay underneath granddad's cows,  

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feet in one hand, feet in the other hand, just putting it straight in my mouth, you know, mostly my ears and my hair and everywhere else, but what a way to what a way to go.  

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But, see, I wonder now again. I mean, the thing is with milk, we know it's got so much goodness in it. And just like,   I mean, the the vegans, let's say the vegans. Yeah. Because they don't believe that you should drink cow's milk because it's for baby calves, which I understand to a certain degree because it's like, why don't we have breast milk on the shelves?   I mean, I know people request that. And if people have got sick children, I know someone wants her. Someone's very ill. So she started taking medication   so she could provide breast milk again. Yeah. She never told him, but every day, that milk on his cereal was her own milk. Yeah. But because it's full of so much goodness, and people have taken it for cancer treatments and all sorts. Absolutely.  



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Absolutely.   I mean, I think the problem is that, you know,   anything what's gonna do us any good, we know they don't want us to have it. Yeah. Whether that's good quality meat, you know, I've   we have a friend who's a butcher, and we have all our meat off of him.   He only buys local meat in from local farms. He knows,   you know, all,   nothing's   vaxxed and   got loads of antibiotics   or nothing in it. I don't want that crap in my body, you know, and it's the same with the milk, you know, for us to to get away from things like Bovia. You know? I mean, everyone was kicking up about that a little while ago.   If there was ever a day, Shelley, that anything was fixed, that was it. That was a deliberate   attempt by Arla to smash the dairy industry  

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bits. Right.  

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They were paid   big, big money somewhere down the line to be prepared to smash their, dairy business to bits.   Now bear in mind   that they,   are in the position that they,   that   they also own all other types of milk. So they own all the oat milk that's produced, the almond milk,   coconut milk, everything. They own all of it. So it doesn't make any difference to them if you give up drinking proper milk.   Yeah. I see where you're coming from. I've never thought of that. But that was all planned. I can add that was all planned at all stage. There was no way that happened by accident.   Companies who are turning over billions upon billions of pounds don't make mistakes like that.  

No way.  

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So And I think interestingly, I mean, because I've been doing this, like,   so called diet with Slimming World, they recommend that you eat, like, 5%   less fat mince.   And Right. Right. I didn't know the butchers would do it. And I said to him, I haven't bought. I'm ashamed, I said, because I bought some from Tesco's because I'm trying to lose a few pounds.   And I said about the whole 5% thing, and he said, I can do that for you. Just let me know, and I'll get it done the same day. Is it gonna cost any any extra neither?   So that was I was like, wow.  



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Yeah.   I don't think that people give the,   like, their local butchers and, you know, greengrocers and people enough credit.   I think, unfortunately, we've been so led to believe, haven't we, that supermarkets were the way forward over the years,   that, you know, a lot of people now think it is the only way. And   but we're seeing   massive massive amounts of,   of   people now who are coming away from that side. Yeah. They might go there to buy their bleach, but one of the companies I love working with is a company called The Good Food Project up in Scotland. Right.   And they're brilliant. GoodFoodProject.co.uk.  

So they sell all groceries   online   that are all organic and natural.   So they've come completely away from all of the, you know, your your standard Tescos bleach and everything else. Now everything what they do is all natural or organic,   and they are really, really good. They've, in fact, they've sponsored us,   quite heavily to do our tour.   You know? So it's the people like that which are trying to make a difference not only to the country's health, but, you know, they're making sure that I can go out and deliver my story through, you know, kind donations.   And I think   what we're starting to see is there is a movement towards you know, when we were going out,   if I'd have gone out and done a talk two years ago, I'd have probably had about 50 plus people in the room. Now we're seeing rooms of a 50, two hundred, three hundred people.  



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So Well, Truro holds up to 240   people, Mark.   So  

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It'd be it'd be interesting to see how how Joe's getting on with the, the ticket sales. I've not spoke to him for a couple of weeks. I've been advertising it online. So is, so I think Sovereign Pete's coming to that one with me as well. Wonderful.   So you know Sovereign Pete? I've interviewed Sovereign Pete. Yes. Probably about a year or so ago now. He's brilliant. I love him. He's such a different approach to,   how to deal with the system, and it's just refreshing.   I interviewed him about the, how to, you know, put farms into trust and things. Obviously, coming in from a farming point of view,   it raised lots of questions for his side because, obviously, he can talk about it, but he doesn't know how I'm thinking about it from a farming head. So I interviewed him. We did a cracking interview just over an hour and a an hour and twenty minutes long. And now we're gonna have to do some talks together. So I'm excited about that because   he's just so knowledgeable.  

He's just brilliant.  

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I love the way how you've all kind of found each other, though. You know? Like, because I saw you first titled Richard Vobes, and I was like, Joe, I want you to contact that man for me.   Can you find out who he is? I wanna interview him. And now, like, Sovereign Pete as well. And good credit to you because you've got voices, and they need to be heard. And We've we've been,  

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doing some great interviews this year and and meeting up with some really   good people across the country. I I'm there's a a Welsh hill farmer called, Liam Price,   who   I was speaking in   South Wales in Usk the other night, and he came and joined me at that,   to talk about it from a local perspective.   And, you know,   he he produces all his own meat. He produces   it and butch have his has a butcher to sell direct to the public, so he doesn't sell anything to supermarkets anymore.   28 years old, you know, and just   full of love for the job, and it's just like, wow. So passionate about what he does, about his animals, and about wanting to supply people real food.  

All of these people are coming together, and, you know, what we're seeing is,   I'm on a   a Zoom call   tomorrow. Yeah. Thursday, tomorrow. A Zoom call tomorrow with I think this they're expecting about 3,000 people in the Zoom call, and it's about Crikey.   Five of us who are doing speeches,   all based around,   these small,   independent farms,   community farms,   food hub projects, and how it all fits around our food hub website.   The numbers are growing considerably, and I think   I don't think it'd be very difficult for us to actually, if we could get a little bit more organized. Bear in mind that, you know,   we've only really had a a year's worth of planning to get where we are on this year, maybe two years.  

I think if we're another year down the road and things start to get difficult,   the public will start to back the farmers a lot more. And   one thing I did did say, Shelley, I made in the other night and or I've done it at several.   One one thing I get, my partners to do, Gloria to do, is I ask one question in the meeting.   And I get a show of hands, and I click Gloria to take a picture of it. Right? So the question is,   if you   could, would you buy chemical free food direct from a farmer   or directly through a farm shop or something that farmers supply?   Everyone puts their hand up. So we have a 50 people in the room, 50 hands up. We get a picture of it, and then we share it on all the farming WhatsApp and Facebook groups.  



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I've seen the pictures  

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by the year. The the idea is, obviously, then it sends a message to the farmers. Look. Here's a 50 people in, you know, Glastonbury,   and they all want   chemical free food. Who's gonna supply it? Guys, you need to step up. So farmers are starting to understand because we're putting pressure on them from this. But what I what I was gonna say is I asked a question the other day and said, look. Who in the room has written to their MP? And loads of people put their hand up. I said, and did you even get a reply? No.   I said, okay. Here's what I might suggest you do. It's a 50 people here in Glastonbury.  

How many farmers in the room? 11 farmers. I said, do yourself a favor.   Get you and all your friends to write to the local farmers and say, what do you grow? How do you produce it? What can we buy direct from you? And, you know, and then get talking to the farmers. Because unlike politicians, if if you write to a farmer, I'll bet you get a reply. Yes. Yes. And not only would you get a reply,   you'd get a sensible answer,   and it would encourage the farmers to make their next step because they think they're all on their own. They think they've got to make all these decisions themselves.   What they don't understand and don't have the knowledge of is how much the public wants this changed and how much the public are prepared to do to get it. So and that doesn't only involve buying differently. That involves getting physically involved in growing it. The public are desperate to get back to the land.  



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Yes. They are. They are. And I mean We're gonna see What do you think? A whole different ballgame of food in the future. Yeah. Yeah. I do. I mean, what do you reckon the percentages of the farmers that still haven't really got a clue what's going on? Do Do you reckon there's  

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many? Well, I probably say about 75%.  

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Really? Yeah. So if we we've only got you reckon about 25% of farmers that really know what's going on   and know what's happening? Yeah. But I so we've got all 75% to reach yet Yeah. To do at all. But what I would say is  

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six months ago, that was probably only 5%. So we are making a big difference. Growing massively. Yeah. And and bear in mind, Shelley, I'm not the only person who's going out and doing talks. Liam's out all the time with different people. You know?   But   on the farming groups, if I take farmers to action, for instance, when I first joined that, you couldn't have a conversation about the w e f because no one believed you.   Now they'll all join in with a conversation. So people are starting to wake up. Brilliant. People are starting to see that what's going on as well. They're starting to see it for what it is.   Not just, oh, you know, this doesn't all stack up. They're actually starting to think to themselves, why the hell don't this stack up? Because, you know, this is nonsense. You know? We've got all these things. You know? It's not like a year ago, they, you know, they were just trying to deal with one little issue. Now they've got inheritance tax, no fertilizer.  



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They're only allowed to spread slurry certain times of the year. The environment agency's on their case. We just farmers are up against it constantly. So refresh me. I don't know about the whole no fertilizer thing. We've got a few minutes left with Mark. So can you tell us a bit about that?  

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So the the big thing with growing food in The UK is because the the soil is so desperately depleted of any goodness Mhmm. We cover it in nitrogen, nitrogen to make things grow. Well, they're putting bans on the amount of nitrogen, what we can get hold of, and what we can use.   So farmers have now got to start finding another solution to get the stuff to grow, and that means they've got to put either horse manure, pig manure, or something like that. And what the problem with that is they're trying to reduce the animals, which means we won't have any nitrogen.   So then you start looking at cover crops like, let's say, broad beans, runner beans, something. Oh, I don't know what happened there. Lost you for a second. No worries. Yeah. Still there? Still there? Yep. Still here.  

Okay.   So, yeah, that's that's where the nitrogen comes in. Put this thing on fertilizer.  

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And what's their reasoning for that then because of c o two and all that crap?  

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No. They just wanna well, that's what they're saying it is because nitrogen's, you know, it's made from a it's a byproduct to petrol production.   So they're saying, well, we need to we need to use less oil. So, obviously, with less oil comes   less produce. Right.  

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Oh, this is fascinating. God, you taught me so much tonight. You always do, to be fair.  

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So So this is this is the big part people aren't realizing, Shelley. There's so much going on against the farmers, and the farmers are desperately trying to change and fight back. And and, you know, we we've we've got let the, government has now brought in this new policy where the government can now decide to seize your land.   You know, we've got foot and mouth coming down the line. We've got bird flu we're still dealing with, and they're all made up. This it's not real.  

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No. No.  

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No. Just total BS. And, unfortunately, you know, farmers are getting,   hoodwinked left, right, and center, and those who don't know and don't understand are getting railroaded straight over the top of. So we've got some serious issues going on, but, you know, we are starting to fight back. We are starting to organize ourselves,   and the public seems to be coming along for the journey.  

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Great stuff. Well, I wish you all the luck in the world, Mark, and I look forward to actually meeting you in person in a week or so's time.   And thank you so much for this evening. It's been an amazing hour. People where they can   I don't know why I run time when my cohost, mister Malefika Scott, will join me?   I'm going to put on a quick tune so I can run to the little girls' room,   and then we will get the wonderful Malefika Scott on.  

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Coming.  

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There's a star   coming.   You won't hear it from up above.   It's the clash   of hate and love.   No one can stop it   to.   There's a star   coming.  

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No walking evil in  

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my land. Wow. And that was my dad, Graham Hart. There's a storm coming.   Sorry, Warren.   He seemed to have a bit of trouble there, but I will put details in in the comments a bit later on. But, basically, if you type   in Mark, also known as the bowler hat farmer,   you will find him, I'm sure, but I will put his details in. Anyway,   good evening, mister Scott.  

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Good eve, missus Tarsker. How are you? I'm very well. Thank you.   Are you enjoying the glorious sunshine that has been Cornwall for the last week? Oh my days. I've been on the beach today.  

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Oh, I've been heaven. It's like this is just crazy because the last time it seemed to be this hot   this time of the year was when we were in COVID times.   Right. Yes. Yeah. So I think you're right. Yeah. It's amazing. Well, what's coming? Certainly makes you feel better, doesn't it? A bit of sunshine.  

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Oh, man. Well, no. You're right. We've had, like,   the the summer is incredible.   The summer that we had,   COVID was just one of the most beautiful summers we've had for a long, long time. No worries about global warming that year. Just just COVID.   But ever since then, it has been,   there's been, like, a really cold, like, northerly or easterly wind the whole time,   which,   so I just noticing there's a slight echo on me one of the listeners is saying. I can't hear it.   Okay. Well,   Yeah. I'm not sure. Yeah. Well, I'm just sorry. Yeah. So we've had this nasty sort of cold easterly, northerly wind,   for the last couple of summers, and it's we've had glorious sunshine,   but   it's been freezing. You can't sit outside past, like, half past four in the afternoon.  



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Well, I mean, it's it's a slush, isn't it? What day did you pop into mind quickly last week? I've just got my garden furniture out. It would have been Friday. Yeah. Yeah. Well Yeah. It's been well used, my sun lounger. Every time I go half an hour, I'm out there on it, and I'm feeling better already. So Maleficus   echo. Right. Let me check something because   I wonder if it's gonna be   mind you, it wasn't like this yet. Oh, you're It sounds like I'm on speakers behind you  

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to me.  

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Let me have a little look at my system settings.   Sound.   So   output, input. It might just be a I need to shout to Darren.   Right. Can you still hear me?  

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I can still hear you. And that's disappeared. Oh, no. It hasn't. It's back. Can you hear me?   I can hear you fine. Yeah. So oh, hang on. Sorry, Maleficus.  

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Because I'm just trying muting it. So if I say, can you hear did you hear me when I said can you hear me?   Yes. Alright. Okay. Right.   Let's see if this works. So Okay. I think you can carry on talking now.  

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How's that?   That seems to be working beautifully. No. I can't hear you.   Oh.  

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Okay. That's a shame. It's okay. That is a shame, isn't it?   Shelley's volume is low, but Maleficus is far too loud.  

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Oh, I'm I'm I'm sorry, Warren. Sorry, old boy.  

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Perhaps that's all it is. Right. Maybe that's all it is. You've got me up too high.  

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You've got me up too high.  

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Well, I've got you up or you've got yourself up too high.   That didn't sound good, did it?  

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No. No. Certainly not.  

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Do I need to tell Darren to come here?  

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Well, I can manage it, but I can hear myself coming back. So that's odd because it didn't you didn't have that problem a minute ago with, No. But we were talking  

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the Karma. We were on with Messenger.   So it might be different. It might just be this little satin satin in rumble   that I had a couple of weeks ago. Oh, okay. So just bear with me one minute.   Can you please come here?   You better be on the phone.  

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I was just gonna say it was really it was lovely to catch up with you last week, and it was lovely to meet your lad.  

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Oh,   yeah. It was nice. He's a beauty, isn't he? Well, I'm biased, but, of course, he is.  

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Yeah. No. I   he's the first thing he said is, do you wanna see my room?   I was like, yeah. Of course, I wanna see your room. Let's go and have a look. No. It wasn't. But the model Titanic,   I said to him   because it's huge. I didn't realize how big it was. It's massive. I know. It was, like, 9,000  

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pieces.  

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I said, how long did it take you to make that then? And he said, twenty one days.   Like, so matter of factly.   And I said, so was it the Olympic or the Titanic? He said, well, it is the Titanic, but it was really the Olympic.   Oh, goodness. I said, oh, which which which funnel which funnel was the fake one? And he was like, oh, the the fourth one is the fake one. Blah blah blah. And he mate, future engineer there, as I said to you afterwards.  

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Darren's here. He says that you need to turn yourself down.   Oh, I need to turn me down. It's alright. We'll get this right in a second.   I haven't changed anything. I haven't touched anything.   Right. How's that? Can you still hear me okay? I  

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can hear you fine. Right. Is Milick is still echoing?   Just a tiny, tiny bit, but not nearly as much.  

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Okay.   Warren, how's he sounding?  

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Do I sound good?  

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You sound very quiet now, to be fair. Perhaps this is where I should have headphones in or something.   Shelley's volume is low, but Maleficus is far too loud. Oh, no. That's the last one. So   Yeah.   Okay. Well, fingers crossed that's alright then.  

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You're just Well, it seems to be okay for me.   No. If I shout, I'll hear myself, I think. So no. It seems fine now. Seems seems good. So,   yeah, I was,   doing my radio tarp bit, and I was on with Eric Gajewski,   yesterday.   We did a a show at his one 1PM   eastern, which was my 06:00.   And,   Yeah. Obviously,   Eric's overseas,   and, you know, he's o over in America. And he's had to the all the free speech laws coming in over in America, who would have thunk it? Oh, I know. And he's had to pull a whole load of his stuff down off of YouTube and all that kind of thing just because   he doesn't want to risk   having it up there to give people an excuse, if you get what I mean.  

So And I thought Trump was all for free speech.   Yeah. Well, not when it comes to certain speech,   I guess.   You know?   I mean,   there's all this thing recently as well. I was having a laugh with him.   I was like, there's all this thing recently about, all the new tariffs.   The tariffs. The tariffs. Oh my goodness. And people can't buy this, and they might not be able to afford this. And, you know, well, as I said to him, you   know, meet the new tariffs,   same as the old tariffs.   You know? All it is is a is a you know, as we've seen with a bit of granddad's book, and we will do it again shortly in a bit. It's only a short chat for ring and do tonight. So we've got time to  

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have a chat. Anyway But on that note then, Maleficus, can I phone you via Skype?   You can. Absolutely. That makes any difference.   When where where are you? I will,  

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jump off of Rumble.  

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Cool. This technical stuff, I tell you, people.   Start the call.   Bear with us, people. Best to get it sorted. I'm back. From outer space, just walked in to find here without that look upon your face.  

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Same old look. Same old look. Yeah.  

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Is that better?  

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Now I can't read the chat. I'm gonna have to log in to the other Rumble.  

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Two two browsers or two two Windows.   Yeah. Yeah. I think there's a bit of a delay on Rumble as well, but, anyway, we'll just wait for feedback. But sorry. You were saying, Maleficos?  

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Yeah. I was just saying, you know, meet meet the new tariffs same as the old tariffs. You know?   It's,   this is just another example of them tightening the through the thumbscrews on everyone with just a slightly different sounding excuse.   And let's face it. Once they've done tariffs here, there, and everywhere and normalized   all the expensive new prices that they're, you know,   they'll then do tariffs elsewhere. And it's, you know, it's it's just another means of manufactured shortage.   And this has been going on   for so, so long.  

Yeah. Aren't people sick of it yet? But I was really, you know, I was really surprised to hear   the bolder hatted farmer talking about how only   25%   of farmers are actually   clued up and have got any idea about any of this. I know. It's crazy, isn't it? Absolutely. When you think they're on the brunt end of things at moment, the I mean, the the boot the jack boot is firmly on the neck of the farmers at the moment.  

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You would think, but if they're not on social media   and stuff where they hear the other side,   not just social media, but if they're not listening to anything alternative   I mean, perhaps they're the sort of people that don't even watch TV.   But I'm I'm really sorry. Get time, I guess? Exactly. Yeah.   But so that's a lot of people to well, even if they got up to 50%, that would be brilliant. But like you said, it's risen massively. So you know? Yeah. That that is yeah. That that's  

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but that that's a a direct result of the jackboot being on the neck, isn't it, as well?   Yes. You know?   And, you know, crikey.   A farming life is a tough and busy life, you know, up at the crack of dawn.   And, really, you know, it's down to you how much you get done. And if you don't get it done, then that that's, you know, that's your profit. So, you know, you are nature really does crack the whip. Nature cracks the whip for me in my work, but   I choose my hours,   and I get done what I can get done. A farmer doesn't have that luxury.   You know? Particularly if they've got a big place. You know?  

So, yeah, I was just surprised really that, you know, not more people were aware not more farmers were aware. But as you say, you know, this this whole the fact that it's 25% and it was only 5% last year,   is a direct   you know,   we're we're seeing a direct result of the jack boot on the neck, you know,   knee jerk reaction.   And let's hope some of them go forward and go, well, why is it like this? Yeah. Stay tuned for the next half an hour, and you're here.   The other thing I was laughing about so when all these,   when all this nonsense was kicking off about new tariffs and Trump's gonna do this and Trump's gonna do that, you know, it's just, you know, again, transfer of transfer of wealth. That's all it is. You know? Put the thumbscrews on one lot while   one very small minority seem to reap the benefits.  

So I noticed my mate over in Canada is really, really into his crypto.   He's been into crypto for years. He's invested an awful lot of money in crypto.   And he he only buys it when it's cheap, mate, and then waits for it to go up. You know? And and he's from York originally,   so, hence, he doesn't have a Canadian accent just in case anyone was. I just realized how strange that must have sounded.   So yeah.   And I was chatting away to him, I think, on Saturday night, and he was like, mate, mate, I can't I I I can't do anything at the moment. He said I gotta keep an eye on this crypto.   And I said, why? And he said, because of all these bloody tariffs and everything, you know, and blah blah blah. I was like, well, I thought you said crypto was all separate to everything else. He said, well, it is, mate, but they invested in this and they invested in that. And then you think, well, it's not separate then, is it? You know? All this crypto I don't wanna, burst the bubble of anyone that's into crypto, but I, you know, I I wouldn't trust it with a barge pole.  

You know? I really wouldn't.   Just the fact that he was having to sell off a whole load of stuff and not necessarily a loss. It was still more expensive than what he'd paid for it, you know, a few years back, but, nevertheless, he'd just taken a $6 hit on one set of currency alone.   You just think, oh, what's you know? So you're just as tied into the stock market as everyone else is, but you think your money's secure.  

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Crazy, ain't it? It is crazy. Very crazy.  

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Another thing that's come up recently that I've got to comment on   is that Hitler died wrestling crocodiles in Australia.   I mean, no. Sorry. Was taken from Berlin and ended up in Argentina.   Or was it Paraguay?   I think we'll go with the first one. He died wrestling crocodiles in Australia.   Yeah? Where is he going to be at? Well, no. So this apparently, the Spanish government are going to be re releasing documents that prove Hitler was transported not only transported to Argentina after the war, and he didn't commit suicide in Berlin, but he also managed to father two children afterwards.   Man of 59 years old, I'm not saying it's not possible, but with Parkinson's and the other illnesses that he had, let's just say it's gonna be highly unlikely.  

And the fact that   they found his dentures   attached to a burnt out carcass   that matches directly with his dental records,   I would say   probably   is fairly conclusive evidence that he did   actually commit suicide in Berlin and anything. And if you don't believe me, go and read David Irving's,   Hitler's War. Go and   read.   There's another one here called   The Last Days of Hitler by,   Anton Joachimstohl.   And   if you don't wanna take it from either of those two   very,   very clever gentlemen who really knew how to study archives,   take it from Otto Gunsche who was Hitler's valet who was responsible for   burning Hitler's body,   was actually taunted by the Russians on the aircraft that he was transported   over to,   Russia in,   because he was rounded up by the Russians. And they were taking the Mickey out of him saying, this is all you know, what do you think of your Fuhrer now?  

And they,   produced a cigar box with Hitler's dentures in.   They were fully taking the Mickey out of him.   So with Hitler till the end by Otto Gunsche. You can find it on   archive.org.   Won't take you long to find.   Take you quite a while to read, but,   nevertheless, you know, all this smoke and mirrors that they're punting out at the moment just to confuse the masses even more, is just, you know, absolute bunkum as far as I'm concerned. Anyone disagrees, you're more than welcome to email me at maleficus at outlook dot com. M a, double l, I f I c u s. Prove me wrong. I yeah. I'd love it.  

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It's so such a pain being right all the time. I mean Do you know? Isn't isn't it fair though? I mean, like, I I   supported   a lovely woman this week and very political mind and stuff. And   I I was blown away, actually, by her knowledge and her information,   but also   being kind of on the other side. And then we got to the whole COVID vaccination stuff, and we had I did say to her at one point, I said, should we stop talking about this? I said, because there's something I'm really passionate about. I don't I would hate to think that you throw me out of your house or something.   And she enjoyed it. She enjoyed that throwback, and it was nice to be able to debate.  

She wasn't on our side. I put   quite a few strong pointers in that direction,   but it's the first time in a long time   that I've had, like you know, when you're so you're so right about something, it's like yeah. Like you've just said,   you're confident in your answers or you're confident in your beliefs and what you've learned. Yeah. But like I was saying to this woman, you know, I'm always open to new information.   It swaps. It changes all the time because you're constantly learning.   But lots of stuff I couldn't comment on because she was way above me on politics and what's going on in America. And she taught me a few things. It it was wonderful, actually. It didn't feel like work. It was like, how wonderful to be with  

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someone so educated and knowledgeable. Someone with a brain that knows how to use it. Someone interesting.  

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Yeah. So, yeah, it was interesting. But No. I mean, the thing is  

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we can't all know everything. That's the point, isn't it? I say it a lot.   A friend a a mutual friend of ours got together with a girl a couple of years ago that I thought was just she was gonna be perfect for it because they were both they both knew what the score was with the world.   But it ended up being some of their differences   in opinions on, you know, certain aspects of politics   really drove a bit of a wedge because   because   we can't all understand the same things in the same way. We've all had different upbringings.   And,   you know, it's like, you know,   trying to get a group of free thinking people together is like herding cats   because they all think they're right on so many different things. And it's like the old t shirt. It's it's the old quote. I think it was Isaac Asimov or someone like that. There was a quote that my dad had on a T shirt, and it just said,   those people   that think they know everything   are a great irritation to those of us that actually do.  

And I'm not professing to know everything.   I mean, yeah, I've got my own views on the world, and, yes, I'm passionate about them.   I I don't often get it's I you're lucky, though, to have got a debate out of somebody because I don't often   I normally   people find me so sort of,   I wanna say passionate in my responses, but maybe slightly aggressive. I don't know.   But I tend to get a lot of people just shut down   because this is why I like planting seeds with people. Just silly things like, you know, the one my favorite one is, you know, if all the countries of the world are in debt, who are they in debt to? You know? It's just just a great one to leave people. Talked a bit about the money system and stuff, and I was saying about the documentary that lots of us have watched, The Greatest Story Never Told.  

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. And she asked me, she said, do you still think we'll be speaking   we would be speaking English if Hitler had reigned?   And I said, well, I haven't really thought too much about that, but,   I got onto the points of the things, actually, that he did do as a guy, erase pornography,   erase   usury.   Yeah. And the fact that Germany was, like, building by the day, basically.   But it was interesting comments that led on to other things that we're not really allowed to talk about.   And but we just put questions there, and it was interesting. And I said I'd bring a book in, your your granddad's book.   And I would just,   but, you know, it it was so lovely to be able to just   share little bits that you don't think are important,   but have that conversation flowing.  



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Yeah. And, you know, she she taught me quite a few things that day, actually. I like to think that maybe I left a question and a few things. That's what it's all about. Yeah. This is that's what the whole journey is about. It really is. If I think it was one of my the guy the guy I used to work with who who I I dropped a lot of truth bombs him on him. And and one day, I came into work, and he was positively shell shocked   After a week off and going and studying, he came back from his holiday looking shell shocked.   But he said to me, he said because he'd fallen out with his sister or something over probably political things.  

And  

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I know that feeling. And, and and,  

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he said the thing is, he said she wasn't listening to anything. And and the problem I have with that is if the if you go into a conversation   without the understanding that your own paradigm   might get changed for as a result of that conversation,   you're not entering any kind of discussion or conversation. You're simply airing your views and expecting everyone else to put up with them.   You know?   And and I I think it was it was Sean Surplus many years ago who was explaining about an argument he had with some other chap. Not like Sean to argue with anyone, but I know he's quite a placid chap.   But he did. You know, the guy came out to him, and he said, listen, mate.  

I won't be told.   And she went to around to me and said, no.   You won't be taught. There's a difference.   You know?  

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But everybody that's got their truth to share, they all believe that they're right, don't they? Of course. They do. I I believe now that the arguments that I gave about vaccinations   were you know, they were totally   an informed decision, and she totally believed in vaccination and stuff. No. It was it was really good. But I I've gotta tell you about the start. You wouldn't think that coming across with actually, coming across someone with opposing views is so interesting, though, would you, and enjoyable? Oh, well, it is it is. I I did get into a discussion with a with a I I swear he was a member of Antifa in his spare time.  

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You know? And I got into a discussion with him about, you know, what about the Holodomor? Oh, well, that was changed. You see? That didn't re didn't really happen the way it's at. Yeah. So anyway but, yeah, it's   it is always interesting. And it was an amicable amicable conversation. We didn't,  

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you know, lose the plot of each other. Point now as well. It don't it doesn't matter if somebody doesn't believe me or whatever. I don't judge them. It's just nice having that conversation.   And, actually, I felt that I came alive because it's, like, one of the things that   I'm re I am really passionate, I suppose, vaccinations.   Yeah. Not pro,   but not the other side. And we were almost, like, life coaching each other because she's, like, housebound and stuff. And I said she needs to get her voice out there and do stuff because she she's just an incredible woman.   And then she said, well, what do you love doing? I'm like, I don't really know. And then we get talking about vaccinations and stuff, and I'm like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. So it's not quite interested. But I've gotta tell you about the start of that day because I was very near you. Well,   I this my shift was in Newquay. Okay? So I left the house at five to seven   on Monday morning,   and it was a glorious day. And I'm going down the bypass, and I've got my sunglasses on. I just everything's gonna be amazing. And I was excited to meet this person because he was in Newquay. It was almost like a little day trip.  

So,   I get into Newquay,   and my satnav stops speaking to me.   And I'm like, okay.   And I don't really do ma maps.   So I'm starting to just drive around everywhere and then I'm realizing that actually I'm quite late, very late.   And I was driving everywhere.   They had phoned me twice. They'd given me directions twice. And if you could see these directions on a reading book, turn left, first right, over the roundabout.   Because by now, I was so stressed,   I couldn't take anything in. And I was literally like, oh my god.   So my phone now was dying as well.  

So I wrote the address down.   I asked about five people, and even a bin man said to me, oh, lots of these streets haven't got names on them yet. Blah blah blah.   Anyway, I didn't know what to do, and I drove into Hendra Holiday Park. I thought, I'm taking my phone and my charger in. And I went into reception, and there's these three stunning ladies, all, like, early twenties behind the reception desk. And I'm, like,   quite stressed, and I said, can you please help me? I said, I'm very late. I'm a support worker. Somebody's depending on me, and my phone is now about to die, and I need to get directions.   And she looked at me and she said, we can't plug anything in unless it's at a pack test.  

Oh my god, Maleficus.   Oh my god. I was like, you what?   And I'm thinking now, you three girls, are you telling me that none of you have got iPhones behind that and I just lost it? And I said she was a job's worth, and I left. I I got in the van. I drove back down to the boat in lake.   I sat there and cried for about two minutes because I just didn't know what to do.  

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Oh, bless you.  

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So then I drove I thought, right. Be be sensible, Shelley. Calm down. So I drove to McDonald's,   and I went in there and plugged my phone in. And I thought, you know, gonna be late. It's a new charge.   And a lady phoned me, and she said, I'm gonna give you directions   by voice. So I'm like, okay. Okay. Alright. Let's go.   So I said, I hope that God is with us because I'm on, like, 3% here.   Anyway, she talked me through it. I was there in a minute. The whole time,   I was two hours late, okay,   but I was always three minutes away.  

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Oh, man.  

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Oh, my days. I turned up, and I was like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.   And the poor woman, of course, I'd made the other woman two hours late for her day with this little Chinese lady, and she said, don't worry. Don't worry.   Anyway, it was, and then I left in the evening, and I'm not one for really driving in the dark. I didn't have my special glasses on. I got confused at Shiverton Roundabout, went around,   to Chiverton Roundabout, went around it twice, and then took the Truro exit   even though I'm heading to Camborne.   So then I cut through to Chaferton.  

I know. Because I thought, well, if I go to Chaferton, I know it's longer, but I know the way back from then. Anyway, I got home about ten tonight in the ten to nine in the evening. Darren pulled me a glass of wine, and I'm like, oh my god. You just wouldn't believe the day I've had.   Two hours late.  

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Darren Darren, can you pat test my phone charger, please?  

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That upset me so much, Maleficus.   I would have been livid. What a little job's worth. She could have just said, look. Just give me the charger. I've got the socket here or what have you, but   don't worry. I just left there. I said, I've been here for an hour and a half driving around.   And one of the girls was looking at her as if to say, come on. And I thought for the rest of the day, I hope you bloody think what you did was wrong. You know, it wouldn't help somebody out because you couldn't plug a plug in.   Oh, man. Anyway, it is what it is. And  

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Yeah. Oh, the frustration.   Yeah. I can I can yeah? I I woulda lost the plot as well, I reckon.  

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Mind you, if it had been me driving around Newquay, I probably woulda known where to go. You probably woulda done. And I knew that I only had, like, 50% battery, but I thought as soon as I get there, I'll put my phone on charge. But like Darren said, when you use satnav, it drains your phone. And then I'd run out of data. And, of course, then my battery had gone. I couldn't phone anybody.   So,   anyway, the phone charges back in the van for if anything like that happens again.  

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Oh,   well, yeah. And long may and long may it remain there. Yes. Yes.   Crikey.  

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Anyway, we're coming for the bottom of the hour, Maleficus. We ought to Oh, so we are. We ought to read your chapter, but Yeah. Let's do that. My xylophone.  

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I meant to bend some of those keys while I was there. Oh, damn it. Damn it. Damn  

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Damn it. Don't worry. I it's so dark here. I can't even see it. Oh, I found it. Don't you worry.   There we are.   Amazing. Amazing. Thank you. That's the introduction for Maleficus' spiel. Go you.  

[01:29:43] Unknown:

Okay. Go me. So this is, chapter four of granddad's book, Hidden Government.   And this chapter is entitled   antisemitism   and the plan.   A little subheading underneath, it says, antisemitism   is indispensable to us for the management of our lesser brethren,   protocol nine.   Okay. So   the cry oh, little little disclaimer here just quickly. Almost forgot. I'm reading from a book. If anyone is offended, doesn't like what's,   being said or being read out,   please feel free. Send me an email, ma,doublel,[email protected],   and, we can have a chat about it and pull it apart. Disclaimer.  

Yeah.   So the cry of antisemitism   is the stock in trade of the Zionist.   It is at once his chief defense and his closest consolation.   It has become his   badge of suffering quote unquote which he proudly wears like a medal whenever he needs or wishes to excuse his conduct   or explain to himself his unpopularity   with Gentiles,   he murmurs to himself or screams to the world the charge of antisemitism.   For being a Jew, it would never occur to him that he himself   might be the offending party.   Before going on with our examination   into the torturous workings of the plan,   particularly into its   specific provisions for so called antisemitism,   let us examine this fond Jewish belief.  

For if it be true that the Jews notorious   unpopularity   is due entirely   or even in large part   to racial or religious prejudice   then the vast non Jewish portions of the world's peoples Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, to say nothing about the many other non Jewish religions and their myriad of followers   are indeed guilty of a deep and repulsive wrong   and and in deserved condemnation   at the bar of history.   But are they? It's quite easy to determine   moreover   and moreover both personal and provable.   Ask yourself this question.   Why do I do why do I dislike Jews?  

Whatever your whatever answer you may give to that question, the very last one will certainly be   that it has anything to do with their religion.   For the simple and sufficient reason   that you don't even know what their religion is.   However,   if you happen to be one of those superior persons who pretend   you don't dislike Jews, pose the question in fairness to Jews in general,   how many people who dislike them know anything about their religion?   The whole contention is nonsense.   And the amazing thing is that the belief is so widespread.   But then as Shaw was forever telling us relative to his absurd claim to be a better playwright than Shakespeare,   that if we repeat something, even the most outrageous lie, sufficiently often,   in time, people will accept it as true   and you as a wise man for telling it.  

It's true though, isn't it? Yeah. So many   throughout history, so many lies told and,   you you don't wanna you don't wanna question the JFK   assassination.   You might be a conspiracy   theorist. You know?   Anyway,   no. The reason for the unmistakable   unpopularity of Jews has nothing to do with their religion. It arises from something much more prosaic,   namely their habits   and manners rooted in their self torturing inferiority complex   and their insistence on parading it in public   to the intense dislike and offense of the unwilling   onlookers.  

This is the basic cause of what they like to think of as antisemitism.   So I guess what he's saying there is if   is if,   you run around   and sort of say, oh, nobody likes me because I'm a heterosexual, or nobody likes me because I'm gay, or nobody likes me because I'm black. And and you keep echoing that and keep echoing that.   People just get offended.   You know, why can't you just keep,   you know, people get offended because they just think, why can't you just keep this to yourself and get on with life? That's what everyone else is doing. So that's what I think that's what he's trying to say in that,   paragraph there.  

Nor need they or their befuddled, nonju apologists,   neurotics, thinking with their emotions, and mostly incapable of objective analysis, the sort of halfwit suffering from what has admirably been called the Broomer's Complex, we'll get to that in a minute,   fall back on the ancient and exploded myth of antisemitism   arising solely or or even at all from the crucifixion.   For dislike of Jews is is as pronounced   and much more deadly   and open amongst non Christian races   than it is amongst those who profess to follow Christ.   Furthermore,   and especially,   it is chiefly to be found in those races like Arabs   who have had to live near or with Jews for centuries,   surely ample time to acquire admiration for the lovable qualities which sentimentalists   try to persuade us are preponderant in the Jewish makeup   and who are themselves members of the Semitic race.  

Please note the last remark particularly.   Jews are not the only people who are entitled to be called Semitic.   It is sheer arrogance on their part to appropriate the word as synonymous with themselves.   Arabs are also Semitic, and few who loathe Jews even dislike Arabs.   On the contrary, even when we have fought against Arabs, we have admired and liked them for the very qualities that are so singularly missing in the Jew and whose lack   are ever present an ever present invitation for distrust and dislike.   This very fact blows sky high the other half of the Jewish explanation of the universal detestation   in which they are held by all other races tribes and peoples namely that it's racial   in origin.  

It is nothing of the thought. It's personal   for the reasons stated above.   However,   so there should be no doubt on anyone's part as to why I have analyzed   this problem at such length,   for neither this book nor this chapter is a catalog of the two well known Jewish failings,   which frankly are not sufficient to concern or moment to bother listing.   Just glance at the heading of this chapter   and let us see what our would be masters are doing with this phenomenon.   So in protocol nine, we read,   if any states   protest against us,   it's only pro form a at our   our discretion   and by our direction   for their antisemitism   is indispensable   for the management   of our lesser brethren.  

I'm just gonna pick that apart. So,   they're saying that if any states   raise a protest against us, it's only pro form a at our discretion   and by our direction   for their antisemitism   is indispensable to us for the management of our lesser brethren.   So the first thing I wanna pick apart on that is the words   lesser brethren. What are lesser brethren?   Well, these are the rank and file people   that,   run the their stores or they turn up to the synagogue every   Saturday, Sunday, whatever it is they go to synagogue.   These are basically   what,   the Sanhedrin or the Grand Sanhedrin,   the the the world Jewish leaders would class   as   their lesser brethren. The people aren't who is the the people who aren't as high up in the   food chain   as they are.  

So the rank and file people   that to say, you know, would have been   living all over Germany in the thirties, would have been living you know, and they there were lots living in across Europe.   You know, everyone's heard of the Jewish diaspora, which is   basically the where they they were told they could live anywhere in the in the Roman Empire   other than in Palestine.   I think it was the emperor Hadrian that told them that. Was it Hadrian? Or or one of someone can correct me in the chat. I'm sure.   So   the lesser brethren are basically like   the folks like you and me,   if you like. They're just you know, they're they're part of they're they're part of the tribe, but they're just the lesser brethren. So what they're saying in that protocol nine   is that if anyone raises a voice against us,   an antisemitic voice against us, it's not only at our discretion, but I but but by our direction,   I. E. They direct people and alert   people to the idea of antisemitism   because it makes their lesser brethren   come closer to the come it makes the herd draw in and close to each other for protection, doesn't it?  

That's that's the whole that's what that, little thing is saying anyway from the from the protocols.   Okay. So   bearing that in mind, he says which directive is pointed out in the following informative and enlightening   incident?   In my time   by a book by a guy called Huddleston. You can look him up on the Internet.   In my time, the author writes,   just before Hitler came to power I spent the winter in the South Of France in the midst of Jewish friends with whom I took coffee every day on a terrace   overlooking the Mediterranean.   1 day a Jewish leader in our party said reflectively   when Hitler comes to power   I hope he will persecute the Jews.  

He went on to explain that after many centuries the Jewish race   despite its fasundity   which is essentially ability to reproduce   only counted 16 millions   owing to assimilation   and persecution was necessary   to revive the needed race consciousness.   Arguments could not make him shift his ground he hoped for persecution.   Well, he got it and the world knows what great propaganda   world jury has made of Hitler's   quote unquote   persecution of the Jews. Now   it's interesting. I read, I'm just gonna stop reading the book there for a second. We got plenty of time because there's only one more page to this chapter.   But,   there's a chap called Thomas Dalton, PhD,   who has written various books on Holocaust   stuff.  

He also wrote a book.   I think you can buy it on Amazon.   In fact, I think I bought it from Amazon at the time.   Naughty me. Shouldn't be using the devil to buy buy my goods with. Shame on you. It is shame on me, but it was actually the only place I could find it at the time.   And it was a book called The Jewish Hand in the Two World Wars. So he was talking about World War one and World War two.   And   bearing in mind   that,   I've always heard, you know, I've I've   not necessarily agreed with, but certainly, it's plausible   that there was a conference held in Evian in France when when Nazi Germany was on the rise, and,   Jewish folks wanted to leave Germany, there was a conference. Everyone can look it up online. Go and look up the Evian conference, Evian in France. It's easy to spell because it's naive,   spelled backwards.  

Alright?  

[01:41:57] Unknown:

You've just confused me now, and I'm writing that down. Evian.  

[01:42:02] Unknown:

Evian. Evian. Like the water.   Like the water. Evian. So there was a conference held in Evian   or Evian,   if you wanna say it that way,   whereby   world powers were asked to come together and say what they would do, you know, say they'd take on this many,   refugees, Jewish refugees from Germany.   And   really if you look it up   the conference was a bit of a flop. Nobody could get these different countries to take Jewish refugees   from Germany.   I personally think it wouldn't surprise me if certain people had a hand in it because   I've heard I've heard certain speeches attributed to,   leaders certain leaders of the time saying, you know, if we   if we lose our presence in Europe at this time,   we will lose our claim   to Palestine after the war   or it will damage our claim to Palestine after the war meaning they had to have skin in the game, they had to have some sort of make some sort of sacrifice.  

And, of course, what happened in Germany,   you know, you can you can   revisionist   study as much as you like.   The Jews were still rounded up. And,   yeah, I know, Warren. There's no such thing as Nazi Germany. I know. National socialist Germany, but they did print Nazi on a coin themselves for.   So,   yeah, I mean, we all know what happened afterwards. You know? But there is people there were people saying at the time, you know, if we don't if we allow our presence or our or Jewish presence to be removed from Europe at this time, we won't have   any bargaining chips after the war. We won't have suffered a loss. And and and so, you know,   we all know that they were rounded up and and transported east for whatever purpose.  

So, yeah, just an interesting   fact. Like, I there was no mention of this in   Thomas Dalton's book, so I actually contacted him afterwards and said, look. You know,   I thought there'd be something about the sacrificial lamb, quote, unquote, theory. I was waiting for it at the back of your book, and I said it never arrived. And he said, well, I hadn't actually   really   you know, I'd I'd heard it asserted, but I'd never really read too much into it. And he actually tracked down   the in my time Huddleston   book that granddad's quoting here and sent me the page with that passage in it. So,   anyway, while on the subject of persecution,   it might be just as well to glance on the other side of the balance sheet for a moment and learn   that all persecutions   have not been at the expense of Jews.  

They have managed to do quite a bit that way themselves in between wailing sessions and organizing cries of Jew baiting.   In this connection,   the extract below is most timely and illuminating.   This is a quote from a book called Patrons and Partisans   of Usury.   Patrons and Partisans of Usury   by a guy called Thompson. You can also find it on archive. Okay. So it says where is this quote taken from that book, any assessments found throughout the centuries of persecution of and by Jews must of course show a big excess of the latter. So that's   by rather than of.  

For Jewry,   by its imposition of its by the imposition of its financial system and methods on gentile races   has been the continuous cause of their economic poverty   and misery   as well as the wars and revolutions   resulting   from them. So that's   patrons and partisans of usury by Thompson.   So let us not be over hasty in playing into the hands of those who would exploit our natural sympathy for suffering   and our abhorrence of cruelty   and our national existence on tolerance and fair play.   For by doing so we strengthen the very things we seek to abolish. Let us view dispassionately   where possible,   impersonally   what lies behind all this outcry   about so called antisemitism?  

What is the reason for it and what is the real purpose?   Is it what it seems to be? Merely the outrage cry of a persecuted people,   or is it a cunning device to forestall criticism   and prevent discovery?   Most of all, is it a deliberately provoked evil   for the objects outlined in the plan?   It is not the first time   that such a use was made of humanity   for inhuman ends. History is full of such instances.   Russia providing the most recent and vivid example. And I'm not talking about Ukraine. This was written in,   '54, folks.  

There is nothing therefore in this regard in the plan that needs be dismissed as unlikely,   much less impossible.   Rather, there is much that demands   urgent and close scrutiny, lest we   lest we being   in vagal to exchange to exchanging our birthright of sturdy common sense   for a message of pottage and false sentiment.   Charity   still begins at home. So that's the end of, antisemitism   in the plan   chapter. It's actually if if anyone wants to go back over that,   and get back to me on anything, the one thing I will fill you in on   is the Broomers   complex. So when grand granddad mentioned it   where were we?  

Do   so nor need there the befuddled duopologists   non duopologists, neurotic thinking   so neurotics thinking with their emotions and mostly incapable of objective analysis,   the sort of halfwit suffering from what has been admirable admirably   called the Broomers complex.   So the Broomers complex.   If you look up Broomers   the bear, there's footage of him on YouTube,   him or her.   Broomus was the first bear to be born in captivity   at London Zoo.   And do you know what?   The BBC ran a little story of it,   and   their,   patronage, should we say the amount of visitors they had that year,   went up to about 2,000,000   people   never before seen. Wow. But but, obviously, this is because, as granddad says before,   neurotics thinking with their emotions and most mostly incapable of objective analysis,   the sort of half wits suffering from what has admirably been called the Broomers   Complex.  

So the reason Broomers was called Broomers   was,   even though I believe Broomers was a girl, they wanted to make out it was a boy because the British public wouldn't know any different.   And it was just better for the BBC article at the time, but Broomus was a girl, I believe. Broomus was named after his two her two   keepers, the zookeepers that looked after the bears.   One was called Bruno, and one was called Sam.   So there you can see his amalgamation of the two names there. So that is probably   if nothing else if everything else was completely clear in that chapter, great. No need to get back to me, but I knew that was that bit wouldn't. What the hell's the Broomers Complex?   Well, there you go. Now you know. Had to do a bit digging for that, actually.  



[01:49:51] Unknown:

I will have a little look at that.  

[01:49:53] Unknown:

Yeah. There's still footage of Broomers.   Right. Okay. There's still footage of Broomers the bear  

[01:50:01] Unknown:

on, on YouTube. But it's little things like that that make you remember stories, isn't it?  

[01:50:06] Unknown:

Yeah. Absolutely. And,   yeah, and and it gives you an idea of what he was at the time when that was occurring, that was that was obviously a coined phrase amongst   certain circles or whatever.   And, you know, the broom was complex. I think that's that's great. It's obviously, you know, everyone taking the Mickey out of all these people who are going, oh, look at the pretty bear. We gotta travel all the way to London to go and see the pretty bear.   You know? So, yeah, crazy.   Crazy.   So next next week, if you're very lucky, we've got   a chapter called   Palestine   and the plan.  

So that will   that's a bombshell chapter as well as the one we've just read that's,   barely had that. Interestingly, there was an American senator that,   plagiarized the first paragraph out of granddad's antisemitism and the plan chapter for one of his speeches.   Was it Dulles?   I think it was one of the Dulles brothers, and he's got an airport named after him. It might have been Dulles. Can't remember.   But, yeah,   I'll dig it out from Andy's book.  

[01:51:16] Unknown:

Every single effing time.  

[01:51:21] Unknown:

What's that about, Warren? Yeah.  

[01:51:26] Unknown:

Keep us guessing.  

[01:51:28] Unknown:

Keep us guessing, Warren. Yeah.   Yeah. So yeah. Palestine and the plan,   and the subtitle of the, the subheading on the,   chapter is our countersign is force and make believe.   So   and as I say, it's quite a big chat to that one, actually. So we we should hopefully get through get through that one. And,   yeah, I hope I hope you're getting something from it. Yeah. I I hope the listeners are getting something from it. As I say, if there's,   there's anyone taking offense, by all means, just just give me a shout, and we'll It's looking for a while with people tonight. We'll talk I'm not. No. No. But I just I don't want anyone to be upset. I don't want anyone to be upset. And if if someone is upset, let's just talk it out a gentleman  

[01:52:13] Unknown:

and, get to the bottom of it because it's just as important to me. Be really offended. It's not about being offended, is it? It's like someone that'd be like, no. He's got it wrong. But it's like you say, if if that's the case, get in touch because it's always great to hear another perspective, isn't it?  

[01:52:27] Unknown:

Yeah. You know, what did I say earlier? If you enter into a conversation without the idea that your paradigm can be changed, you are simply airing your views. Mhmm. Come change my mind. You know, I I don't mind.   You know?   Good. I've I've said that throughout a lot of my studies. Isn't it? There's too much  

[01:52:45] Unknown:

I don't know. You agree with this. You agree with that. You've gotta be open to stuff as well, haven't you?  

[01:52:51] Unknown:

You have. You have.  

[01:52:53] Unknown:

Yeah, that's book, and, I mean, it's an amazing book,   but,   also, it's like there's gonna be other people. Like I say, they're gonna read it totally differently   and think they're totally wrong because they've read other stuff.   I'm not because I've never come across a book like it before in my life.   And, I'm proud to say that because it's like Yeah. It's certainly something, and I would be very proud of that. Expect to find it in the family book cover. Yeah. That's for sure.  

[01:53:21] Unknown:

I love it. I love it. No. It's great. Who wrote this? It was your granddad. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah.  

[01:53:28] Unknown:

Good on him. But to have that knowledge back then, you know, as well.   We've got our honors now through through books and the Internet and stuff like that. But how many years ago was it written again?  

[01:53:41] Unknown:

Nineteen fifty four. So it'll be 08/08 it'd be '81 this year. Wow. Crikey.   And then you think how true everything rings, and it's it's it's worrying. And I'm not suggesting,   you know, all the all the j word stuff. I'm just saying that the the the analysis of of how   the protocols of the learned elders of Zion   do link inextricably into what we're all experiencing   today   even if they do end up to be a quote, unquote, forgery.   Isn't it quite a thing to to analyze?   You know?   And, you know, like I say, it's it's all open for debate.   As soon as you,   close your mind to things, you know, you can you can have a conversation with someone and then they didn't change your mind. That's fine. No one has to win an argument. No. Exactly. Exactly.  



[01:54:30] Unknown:

And I think that's one of the things, isn't it? We're just not allowed to debate stuff anymore.   And it is healthy.  

[01:54:36] Unknown:

It's good. Well, you can nobody debates stuff anymore because they're attacking all the pubs   through gradualism.   You know? First of all, you weren't allowed to smoke in them. And I start you know, back in the days when I, you know, smoked 20 a day or whatever, 30 a day. You know? She said, what do you mean you can't smoke in the pub? That's where you go to drink and smoke. What? That's where you go to put the world to right.   Ah, I see what's going on. So now,   now it's like, you know, my my   other half sister went to a a a pub the other night and paid £10.50   for a medium glass of wine. I mean, that is just ridiculous.  

Two glasses of wine, you could buy three bottles. Well, wait till you hear this.  

[01:55:18] Unknown:

It was on Cornwall Live, and it is true.   There is a a pasty shop   in   Mausole   that are gonna put their prices of pasties to £13.50.   And they're saying they're saying they've got to do it because of inflation.   Rubbish.   Just in time for holiday season. I hope you go out of business.   £13.50   for a pasty.  

[01:55:42] Unknown:

Sorry. No. Who owns it, though? Because, I mean, most of Mousel everyone used to flock to Mousel to see the Christmas lights.  

[01:55:50] Unknown:

And now it's all second homes, and there aren't any. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, but it was quite it was a really interest in the comments   as you can imagine.  

[01:55:59] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, lots of us I mean, how much can you how much can you honestly charge for some beef skirt, some swede, some potato, maybe a bit of onion, and some pastry? I mean, really? Well, they're saying it's the cost of inflation, but no.  

[01:56:11] Unknown:

Sorry.   It's it's the cost of inflation in Malibu. Yeah. In the mid 90s. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway Yeah. We are coming to the end, Maleficar. Well, we've alright. We've got two minutes. Have you got any final words you'd like to say?  

[01:56:24] Unknown:

Well, I just wanted to say congratulations to farmer Pete.   Didn't he do well?  

[01:56:30] Unknown:

Yes.  

[01:56:31] Unknown:

Yeah. I'm just gonna read that out, actually, for everyone if if people haven't heard of it or heard about it.   So,   where are we? Let me just bring it up for you. I'll be as quick as I can because I know we're short of time.   He says not being very quick. Okay. It's alright. It's your computer, not you.   Yeah. Of course it is. Of course it is. Okay.   So the British Democrats   gain a new councilor councilor in Cornwall. We are thrilled to announce that we have gained another councilor. This time, it's in the picture   picturesque   region of Cornwall. Excuse my French there. Sorry.  

The British dem Democrat candidate Peter Lawrence has been elected unopposed   for My Law Council   in the beautiful County of Cornwall. Peter was one of 11 candidates nominated   and elected   to fill 13 seats available   in the parish of Myloh. So   that's absolutely   fantastic. And I I have to say if any nobody's heard of the British Democrats yet. I'm not about to affiliate myself with political parties and all that kind of thing because,   well,   because I'm not. But,   if you go in go into the British Democrats,   YouTube page, they've got some really interesting speakers   well worth a listen. So I'm really glad that Peter Lawrence has actually,   joined up with some,   at least clued up people. Definitely.  

Yeah. So, yeah, congratulations,  

[01:58:01] Unknown:

pharma Pete. Excellent stuff. To get him back on again.   Yeah. Absolutely. I will do. I'll message him. Right, missus Scott. It's been a pleasure as always.   And,   Always a pleasure. We will be back the same time next week, people, and I hope that you have an amazing week and keep those positive vibes going.