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Broadcasts live every Wednesday at 7:00p.m. uk time on Radio Soapbox: http://radiosoapbox.com

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker Show on Radio Soapbox. Despite a bit of a rocky start and a terrible cold, I'm thrilled to be back on air after a long hiatus. Moving to a new station has been exciting, and we have some fantastic guests lined up.

This evening, I had the pleasure of speaking with Patrick Chanel, a fascinating individual who was home-educated and is now a farmer. Patrick is also in the process of setting up his own radio show. We delved into his experiences with home education, his travels around the world, and his insights into farming in the UK and the US.

Patrick shared his thoughts on the current state of education, the importance of family, and the value of learning through life experiences rather than traditional schooling. We also discussed the political climate, the impact of war, and the importance of understanding history.

Patrick's laid-back demeanor and insightful perspectives made for a captivating conversation. We touched on the challenges faced by farmers, the benefits of homeschooling, and the importance of community and self-sufficiency.

As we wrapped up, we promoted Patrick's upcoming show on Radio Soapbox, where he'll be sharing old-time music and more of his unique insights. It was a pleasure to have him on the show, and I look forward to our next conversation.

Thank you for tuning in, and I hope you have a fantastic week. Join me next week at 7 PM on Radio Soapbox for another exciting episode.

[00:00:58] Unknown:

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker Show here.   Coming out of oh my god. This is great for the first show, isn't it? Because I keep getting it back to front. Soapbox radio, radio soapbox.   Oh, I've got a terrible cold. I'm just saying it now. Okay? My brain has been absolutely useless   all day.   Radio soapbox, I think. Anyway, I will know by the end of the show.   Sorry about that, guys. It is nice to be back. It has been quite a while and, you know, moving over to a new station,   And, it it's gonna be great, actually. There's some great guests.  

You know, we're gonna be doing American shows and stuff like that, but,   dear mister English has set a great schedule, so check out the website. I'll give you the right address later.   Anyway, we do have a guest this evening, and I would   like to welcome Patrick Chanel this evening.   Patrick   was home educated.   He is a farmer.   He is also in the process of running, setting up a radio show.   We've been in contact a few times via Skype, and he's just a really interesting guy.   I'm fascinated with the home education stuff, and farming,   especially in the UK, is massive in the men at the moment. So let's get him on. Good evening, Patrick.  



[00:02:20] Unknown:

Yeah. Good evening, Shelley. It's a pleasure to be here. I've been looking forward to this for some time now. Oh, bless you. It's it's great that you're here. Thank you.  

[00:02:28] Unknown:

Patrick, Patrick, I know you're part of this as well. So can you confirm, is it, Soapbox Radio or Radio Soapbox?  

[00:02:34] Unknown:

Radio  

[00:02:35] Unknown:

Soapbox. Right. Radio fast. That is awful, but that's how my brain has been all day.   It's not that I'm really terribly stupid.   Anyway, so are you in Texas, Patrick?  

[00:02:48] Unknown:

Actually, I'm in the northern part of the United States above Texas.   Right. Okay. I'm in Wisconsin.  

[00:02:54] Unknown:

Where? Sorry? Northwestern  

[00:02:56] Unknown:

Wisconsin.   Kind of near Minneapolis, min Minnesota. Minneapolis, Saint Paul.  

[00:03:01] Unknown:

So and it's about   1 o'clock in the afternoon there. Yeah?   Yep. Exactly. And is it blazing 1 or 2. Is it blazing sunshine?  

[00:03:11] Unknown:

It is. And we had rain last night, so it's a bit muggy, but it's really nice. It's been a beautiful morning.   Yeah. Yeah. I   went to work early, and, it's just sunshine and blue sky with light clouds. It's nice. And they make it makes all the difference, difference, doesn't it?  

[00:03:26] Unknown:

We're we're still waiting for summer here. But it is only just the start of the season, summer, so fingers crossed.   Anyway,   yeah, enough about me. So like I was just saying, you know, we we've had a chat a few times. I can't remember how we even   engaged a few months ago,   but, we got on the whole home education   conversation, and you told me that you were home educated.   And it was like, don't tell me about it now. Let's do an interview about it because   I've got a 10 year old, and he's gonna he's got another year,   just over a year left in primary school, and then the plan is kind of home education for secondary school.  

So can you tell us a little bit I mean, before we delve into that, do you wanna tell us just a little bit   into that, do you wanna tell us just a little bit about yourself and what you, like, kind of been up to in life?  

[00:04:11] Unknown:

Yeah. Sure.   Yeah. Definitely. I I was homeschooled,   like you you mentioned, and   I also   went through public school up until about   age of, I don't know,   10, 11, 12, somewhere around there.   And then I chose to homeschool,   And it was, you know, not not so common at the time, but it was becoming more common   as the schools deteriorated,   the government public schools, whatever you wanna call them, indoctrination   government indoctrination   centers.   And,   yeah, I grew up in the same town I'm living in now,   near Frederick, Wisconsin,   in a town called West Sweden.  

And   it's been,   it's been nice. I've had a chance to travel around the world to places like China, Russia,   Italy. I've been to England,   France,   all over Canada.   So I've seen a little bit of the world.   And my parents, you know, encouraged me to travel, and I really like to to learn about new cultures, and   I also like learning about my own culture. And as time's gone on, it's been nice.   For the last   I don't know. It was about 12 years ago, maybe 13 years ago, my grandfather   moved in with us,   with my mother and I,   and   it was quite nice.  

Got to learn a lot from him. He he died a couple years ago at the age of 94.   He was in the Korean War. Wow.   And,   yeah, he had quite the experience. And   him and his father   used to, sell   Social Justice Magazine, which was   put out by father   father,   Charles Coughlin   of Michigan,   And that was back before World War 2,   and they were against entering the war.   And   like a lot of a lot of people around here, they didn't want war. And I think,   a lot of   the propaganda   was to push to war and that kind of like in our current day   when there's a huge push to get everybody   in the war mode to go to war against this, you know, Russia   and Gaza and all these other places.  

So, yeah, I'm fairly politically active, and   I follow all that stuff. Well, I've recently  

[00:06:42] Unknown:

this just actually the last couple of weeks because I'm listening to more American news, actually,   And I'm just hearing so many speak about   that we are actually, well, the UK and stuff, already at war with Russia.   And I've not been thinking hard about it, but for the last couple of weeks, I've started getting a little bit frightened now, not by my not for myself, but because I've got a 23 year old son, 26 year old son-in-law.   And that thought is actually quite worrying, and I don't I think there's a lot of people that don't realize   how bad things are.  



[00:07:17] Unknown:

No. They definitely don't. No. They don't. I think they don't read history, so they don't know what happened in the past,   and history has a tendency to, repeat itself.   And a lot of there's nothing new under the sun, I don't believe.   A lot of this stuff has happened before,   and it's just people don't pay attention. They're not taught it intentionally.   That's why these schools are such a a shame   to us   because they they take away our culture,   our ethnicity.   We're made to feel ashamed of our past,   and it does nothing to encourage,   especially young men,   to, have any sort of, knowledge of where they come from.  

And if you don't know where you're coming from, you don't know where you're gonna go, and there's no real hope for the future if you if you don't know where you've come from   and what what the plan is. Yeah. And there's there's a plan. I believe in God,   so I I'm a Catholic, and I grew up Catholic,   and I'm I'm a,   a, you would call,   you know, following the teachings of the Church,   and as a Catholic I believe that there's no salvation outside of the Catholic Church,   which is kind of controversial   to take, but, that's that's the way it is. I believe there's no salvation outside the church. And   I think if we look at it from   our historical   civilization, we call it Western   Christian civilization,   I think that has   brought us to the point we're at now   to the point where we have   all of these advancements in society   with morality. We still know it despite the fact that we have forces working against it, you know, especially in our governments now.  

But I think I think there's hope for the future, and   my my faith gives me that hope. And so I trust that there's there's hope   because I know that it's not   fruitless what we're doing.   No. No. The course we're on is is gonna bear fruit.  

[00:09:27] Unknown:

I hope so. I really do, and sometimes I feel like I should be doing   a lot more, and I was actually   seriously considering   standing for an MP.   But the cutoff date is today, so it's good I haven't filled it in because I'm also, you know, I'm really sat in people say, oh, don't vote. It's a waste of time, and I get that. But then I see the other side as well, and I think, well, if I do vote,   at least I'm putting an opinion out there. I don't know. Anyway,   but for me, these next 4 years, I think I don't wanna be   not doing anything, and I just think people aren't aware of how serious it you know, all they're worried about is   well, I wouldn't say it's the same thing as all the big parties over here, you know, the NHS and stuff like that. People aren't even thinking about things about their sons going to war and things like that. You know? But they just don't oh, I don't know. They watch enough of the mainstream news, a lot of people, so perhaps they are actually more scared than I think. But it's made me think I need to up my game a little bit.  

But, anyway, enough about me. So you did you did public school for what your,   primary years?  

[00:10:32] Unknown:

Yeah. Up until   the, what, 9th grade? Right. No. 8th grade. 8th grade. Oh, okay. Grade education in the in doctorate you know, the government schools. Right. Okay. And how did you After that point, it was pretty pretty loose,   home education kind of left thumb my to that, like, conclusion to leave school  

[00:10:52] Unknown:

at that age, to be, like, home educated?  

[00:10:55] Unknown:

It's pretty easy for me. I hated school. Alright. I just I hated it. I you know, that's just I think I even had,   one of the science teachers tell my parents, hey, you should homeschool them. He's not getting anything out of this.   It's it's he's bored.   Yeah. And it was boring as all get out. It's just it's the babysitter.   Really, when you think about it, it's it's such a shame   and a pity for all these parents to   basically make their children into orphans.   It's like saying, okay, you're not important.   You know, I my work is more important than raising you. You go off to the school,   and,   I can do my work and make make the profit that I need to make for my life and my living. And   and I understand that   there's there's actually, you know, I think I think there is a need for schooling,   but not the type of schooling we've got.  



[00:11:52] Unknown:

No. I agree. It's demoralizing.  

[00:11:55] Unknown:

The things they teach are just perverted   for the most part. And the things that you can   learn, you can just as easily learn on your own.   And you don't have to,   learn their history.   You learn what you're you're interested in. What you're interested in. Yeah. Yeah.   I remember listening to Charlotte Iserby,   who, he she had written a book called The Deliberate   Dumbing Down of America.   And she was in the public education,   the federal   department of education back in the early seventies, I believe.   And her philosophy was basically   take your children out of school   and follow what she called unschooling,   which is take them to the beach and let them   let them explore   and learn   from nature and the supernatural   on their own with your guidance to show, you know, what you,   you know, what you can do to help them to learn   the basics of life   and not feel like you need to have a PhD in education   in order to educate your child because in nature,   just like animals,   they don't go to animal school to learn how to be animals.  

They let they it just comes naturally. And Yeah. Us being   way more intelligent   and,   immortal, you know, having immortal souls and,   you   know, the ability to be spiritual in a way that animals aren't.   How much more   fruit can you bear from   being with your child,   raising them, protecting them from the worldly influences,   which there are a lot of them.   And the best way to do it is to keep an eye on them and just be around them   and learn. And parents   have a lot to teach their children, and they're gonna teach them a lot better than some person   who's given 50 to a 1000 children to tend to in a period of a day. Yeah.  

That aren't their own and have no real, you know,   attention span   to be able to even do that.  

[00:14:13] Unknown:

So No. Yeah. I think we we kind of well, I'm lots of people can't see that, you know, know, they think that if you take your children out of school, it's the wrong thing. They need these qualifications.   They need to conform,   and it's like, no. I don't want my child to conform. I want them to have their own mind.   And, I mean, it's tricky because people   how do people you know, people go to work,   and I know when, parents home educated,   you know, I'm hoping he's gonna go to kind of, like, a 3 day week, one of these Steiner spiritual schools. Have you heard of them?  

[00:14:46] Unknown:

No. No. No. I've I've heard of the Montessori schools, but they're not Steiner.  

[00:14:51] Unknown:

The Steiner man,   it's it's just a holistic   approach to teaching and stuff, and they don't have to do,   like, proper exams. They can choose their maths and English, like, when they're 14 and stuff. But for 3 days a week, it's, like, 10 till 3, natural settings, nature, and they just like, they make their own lunch every day. Just life skills, you know, and   it's it's lovely. It's lovely, and I'm kind of looking forward to it. But over here, I mean, at the moment, I've not had any problem with prime with primary school, but I think it's the secondary education that things drastically   change.  

And I just think, you know, you don't need to sit at a desk all day to learn something, do you? I think people are very confused and think you're not learning, and it's like you can make a cake and weigh out ingredients. You're learning maths. So I I read a book called Changing Our Minds, How Children Can Take Control of Their Own Learning by Naomi Fisher, and it's a it was a game changer for me.   And I don't doubt for one minute that, you know, we're making the right decision.   But lots of people, they're like, what? You're gonna homeschool him. You can't do that. And he's like, he doesn't have to take exams. You know? I run a photography business. I set up my own business. It wasn't down to exams. I look at the 5 years I spent in secondary school, and what did I really learn?   I mean, at the time, I wasn't interested in learning.  

You know, and I think perhaps if I had that time to just be and do child things and stuff, I would have found my way and what I enjoyed and stuff like that.   So,   yeah, it's a great so did when you were homeschooled, did you take any, like, exams, like, that you have state exams, like, at the age of 16 and stuff?  

[00:16:28] Unknown:

No. Right. Okay. So you're No. I was done. No exams. I I was No no exams.   We started out   in a,   it was a Catholic   orientated   homeschooling   outfit. I think it was out of Virginia called Seton   Mother Mary Seton Saint,   Seton   Homeschooling.   And it was it was religious, you know, in the sense that it was from the Catholic perspective,   and the lady who came up with the curriculum actually wrote a number of the books, especially on history.   And   I think that,   she ended up   coming up with, like, reading lists and   some of the mathematics was just the basic, like, anything you'd get in a public school type of thing. Right.   But for the most part,   the most interesting part to me was reading about the history,   and that kinda gave me   inspiration to learn other subjects.  

And I really think   if you left your child on your on his his or her own,   they would find what they are interested in,   and they would learn about that, what it takes to master that subject, whatever it might be.   If it's something mechanical, if it's something to do with literature and the arts   or painting   or   any of those things,   science,   you're much better off letting them explore it   and especially nowadays,   and even back   then, you have books, you have the Internet, you can talk to other people,   you can find people outside of your family,   and say they wanna learn, I don't know, blacksmithing or something. You find a local blacksmith, and you go and you visit them on a field trip, and you can do a lot of that   and take your children to work with you.  

They get to learn what you do   during the day and how you, you know, fulfill yourself,   and they'll be able to find fulfillment themselves because I think that's more important than   taking an exam and being tested.   Definitely. Definitely. Any any you know, there's really when you go to work for some place,   you're never really tested. Your proof is in your work and what you accomplish,   and you don't need   some teacher there   to please you don't have to   be afraid to ask them questions because you're gonna disturb the class.   And that's one thing about   homeschooling   is you you have your parents   to talk to.  

You can ask them questions and approach them in a way that you can't some stranger who's given, you know, guardianship over you.  

[00:19:18] Unknown:

Yes. And, ultimately,   I realized, like, you know, how much the schools and the government, they push the teachers.   Teachers. It's to get results. It's not about the whole learning experience.   They've got to tick their their criteria.   You know? And how can you judge somebody when they've done a 20 minute test?   Because my son came over from school, and he had 4 out of a 5 minute a mental maths exam exam. He had 4 out of 20.   And it's like, bring he bought home a sheet, and it's like, we can practice this, apparently. And it's like,   well, how is that gonna make you a better person if you know those in 5 minutes if you can get them all right?  

Do you know what I mean? Just silly little tests. You can't you know, some people think quicker than others. Some people need to write things down.   Just the whole principles behind all their exams and stuff like that. You can't you know, it's like when you go for a job now, it's apparently   what experience have you got and what, qualifications   have you got? Well, surely, anybody in their right mind would want somebody that's got all the experience and no qualifications.   But it is some of them, they won't even look at your application form   unless you've got, you know, those 2 principal,   exams, like math and English.  

But I think, realistically,  

[00:20:39] Unknown:

we have a family business Right. And I grew up with within that environment, and it wasn't to do with farming. It was more factory work.   Right. We run a small   plastic injection molding shop   where we make   basically parts for hearing aids that are not mechanical. They're just plastic parts, typically, like horns   and frames to fit in a person's ear   and that sort of thing.   So audiological   type things.   And I grew up with that, you know,   going going to the factory and seeing people working little press little plastic presses,   people cutting tubing and coiling tubing and making little ear tips for   for, stethoscopes and things.  

So I grew up in that environment, and then it wasn't until later that I got kind of got involved in farming   as kind of,   you know, a side   side thing. Well,   it's it's it was more of my my father getting involved in farming that got me involved in that. But,   yeah, I didn't start out doing that. I   I did more of the factory, and I've kind of in the last year,   actually half a year gotten back into the factory work.   Oh, okay. I'm kind of going a little bit away from farming even though we still raise pigs and and we have one cow left   out of all the cattle we had.  

I but,   a lot of factory stuff. And   you know what?   If if, say for instance, your son,   he wanted you know, he's only 10 years old, but later on, you know,   8 years down the road,   he finds he's really good mechanically at building things.   And, you know, you could easily learn things like construction   on,   you know, on your own. You don't need to go to schooling to learn that kind of thing No. That's right. Unless it's some real specific thing.   You can find people willing to teach on the job   anything   for an occupation.   You know, it's it's not that difficult, and if you have a talent for it, you'll you'll flourish in it. And I just think that that's   underrated, you know, peep the natural ability of people to adapt   to the the work at hand,   there's   a lot that can be said for just letting somebody   be creative   and   learn on their own and not have the pressure   of, like, fill in this form,   do this test, and then you're approved and you   And also the idea of the secondary edge or the what what do you call it? Secondary education, the college and university? Yeah.  

That stuff, I would avoid   almost all of it because a lot of it's bunk and BS anyway. That becomes a lot of politically correct stuff that you don't wanna teach that your child anyway,   where they're gonna turn into a different person   than the child that you raised them to be.   And, you know, we're all still children even though we grow older. It's it's still you know, we still gotta keep that childlike innocence   to a certain extent because   a lot of these schools, they just teach them just to be, I don't know, perverted. And and   they lack they lack direction in life,   and and they just become followers of rules.  

So much of schooling   is just following the rules and obeying   and not questioning the authority   because   the teacher becomes   the ultimate authority. Even when they're wrong, you're still still supposed to follow them. And it's like, well, no. If they're wrong, they're wrong. There should be some standard of truth   that you have to uphold.   And just like the whole COVID madness,   it's just, like, there's there's just, like, truth got thrown out the window   for the convenience   of being able to travel freely.   Right? So you you oh, we're gonna make you do these restrictions and stand behind the line and don't, you know, don't move it's like being in prison in a way. You're conditioned.   You're you're  

[00:24:54] Unknown:

But people who have their own   yeah. Yeah.   The whole politically   correctness, I mean, like, I have   I work for the council. I say ashamed ashamed   because,   I do love my job, but I hate the council,   Cornwall County Council.   But everything's about ticking boxes and about being politically   correct.   You know, somebody was saying the other day about, oh, well, I can't take this person in my car because I haven't got business insurance.   And it's like and I I understand that they're so, like, uptight about anything,   whereas little things like that, it's like, well, I'm not gonna let that person down. Fingers crossed I'll be alright for half an hour.  

But not just that scenario, but so many that we've got to just tick boxes. If we didn't have to tick so many bloody boxes, perhaps we could get on and do some real work.   But,   people like their rules and regulations. Lots of people do anyway. And, unfortunately, my son, you know, because his dad is very much that way. If I park on double yellow lines,   he's like, we can't park here. And I'm like, I'll just chill out. We've got 4 minutes if a traffic warden comes up. You know? I know my rights.   But, yeah, people love a good rule.  

[00:26:10] Unknown:

Yeah. And they become afraid to to break it. Yeah.   Yeah. Exactly. It's like you said with insurance. It's like, oh my, oh, we gotta have this insurance or that insurance. It's like, we're so afraid   of the future because we don't understand what's going on, especially when you don't know history. Like, it you you don't know what's going on, so I can see why if you're in a state of fear, you're like, oh, I'm gonna pay you this money   for the privilege of having insurance,   and   I'll never get anything out of it,   and there's there's no equal exchange of of labor there. It's, like, what are you paying for   at a certain point? You know, you're just you're you're paying   just for this perceived imaginary safety net.  

Just like the NHS or any of these, you know, like, here, the NIH,   where you're you're paying Social you're getting okay. You're getting something in return, Social Security. It's like, well, for all the years that I have to pay into Social Security,   I could just as well put the money aside   and have a bigger,   you know,   lot of funds that I can leave my children   or whoever   Yeah. After I die. You know? And that can take care of me in my older age   because we're all gonna get old someday if we if we get and   instead people need to, you know, they have this desire to to be safe. Right? Where where does safety come from? I I believe safety comes from God. It doesn't come from the government. It doesn't come from a person. You can't guarantee my safety in anything,   you or my protection.  

It's it's something out of our hands.   And it's like car insurance. Oh, you gotta have car insurance, because what if you get in an accident? And it's like, well,   then I pay for the damages that I cause if I cause an accident. You know, what happened to responsibility? Because, you know, you have an insurance, and then it's like, well, oh, I don't have to worry about those things because that, oh, I got insurance. Someone else will take care of it for me. And so people in society become less careful   and they don't concern themselves with other people as much. And it's just a vicious thing, you know, just like putting masks on little schoolchildren,   and then, you know, that's that's the foot in the door.  

And then, oh, yeah, you got a you got a vaccine, little Sally or little Jimmy.   And then it's, like, wow.   It's you just you're at that point, you're killing your children, and you you have no compunction about it because you went with all those little incremental steps leading up to that point.   And that's what's happened,   with this whole war   that's being   propagated between Russia   and and the West   and Gaza,   Palestine, and   and   the Zionists.   There's it's just incremental.   This whole thing with the the COVID,   I believe was what led us up to the war that's being propagated, that's going on,   you know, the battles, you know, the undeclared war that's going on.  

It's just incrementally.   It happened in the past. We had   during World War 1,   they had influenza   and they had vaccines. They had all vaccine program. And then even leading up into, you know, the Spanish War, the Spanish flu,   you know,   these things all   go hand in hand, and it's it's like whoever's doing this, creating these wars,   they're going through through the same playbook,   year by year, decade after decade,   and just repeating themselves, because this has happened before in history,   and most people   don't realize it because they never get a chance to study it.   And when you're given that chance,   you're taken away from the propaganda   of these government schooling institutions   and the television.  

I don't use television anymore. I hardly watch movies.   I'll watch things online. I'll listen to music.   I'll read news articles,   but mostly I like to read books.   I'll read the Bible, catechisms.   But I I don't   watch those things anymore   that make me feel agitated and anxious about things, like,   all the doom doom and gloom that goes on,   that if you were just to sit and watch news broadcast, like you have the BBC,   we get the, we get the BBC over here too.   So it's and it's always these negative things. Oh, the war. Oh, this or that. COVID. It's all fear. Yeah.   And they teach children to be fearful   because   they don't know what's going on. A lot of them are innocent,   and they go to school, they think,   oh, oh, I got to please this teacher, because they're the authority figure.  

Teachers just looking out for their paycheck   usually, it seems.   There might be some good ones, but they're rare.   They're an exception to the rule. The rule is usually they're just, you know, most of these teachers just   they're in it for the money,   they have a union, and usually it's not controlled by the right people.   So   we need to bring that back   to   our own families,   make family important,   and then we have that that,   defense when these things happen, and we are less fearful.   When you're around your family all the time, you become less fearful of what's going on in the world   than if you're taken away from your family the protection of mom and dad.  

When you're a child, that's really important that you have that, even as an animal   out in the wilderness,   animals,   little baby animals that get lost from their parents or   easily fall victim to some other predator. So it's it's the same. And it's like our defenses are being   taken away from us,   our natural defenses   of protecting our children.   And then   what what happens?   Well, your your children then   they they basically get bullied, and that's part of the reason I   started   to homeschool was because I was starting to get bullied.   Right?  

You had people that   didn't you know, they just they just judged you by   who you're who you are, who your parents are, how you look, the people you associate with, what you like, what your interests are.   It it makes it easy for you to be bullied because that's kind of the way these   these,   for instance, like, in Ukraine   right now,   think about this. If you're a young man in Ukraine,   you get what's called press gained   into the military.   You know, they have military conscription,   and when you're, you know, you get drafted to go into the front lines of a hot war,   a lot of people don't wanna do that.  

A lot of people don't want war. I think the majority of people in places like Ukraine Excuse me. Don't want war.   But the powers that be, the rich men of the world,   set the tone and they control things, and they're after the money and the power and the prestige.   They're gonna   press gang,   you know, young men   into   putting   on a uniform and taking a rifle and going up to the front line to get slaughtered.   And   they'll they'll bang people over the head,   you know, throw them in a car, just like a kid, you know, just like you hear about mafia kidnappings and things. Yeah. It's the same way.   And it   you know, you   the   over there, they they were brought up in that whole   Bolshevik Soviet mindset   of the state   is the primary   educator of children,   rather than the family,   the mom and   the dad who brought that child into the world.  

They're   the the the truth is   those 2 are the primary educators of the children,   and the state   comes   a couple steps after that,   but it's primarily the parents.   And the you're basically   taken away from your parents,   put up brought into a system   that raises them in lieu of the parents. The parents are busy   chasing after money because they gotta pay the rent.   You know, rents become so high   that you can't afford to not go to work with both mom and dad,   whereas the way it should be is   a mom and a dad,   the dad goes to work   and brings home the money for mother   to raise the family and to run the household.  

And   the mother   distributes that wealth   as as she needs it, and communicates that with the father.   And ideally, that should be what is promoted in a society, that the mother   takes care   of the of the children in raising the young children until they're able to work   and join their father, if they're, you know, a young man,   or   if their daughter   look at their mom and help their mom   in whatever she's doing. And, you know,   on a farm,   it's it's probably the closest thing to the way it's been for 1000 of years. You're raising animals.   And   let's go into farming a little bit, because that kind of is   what's what's,   most common. I was in Russia   back in 2016,   and I noticed that outside of the city,   a lot of what goes on in villages   and towns,   there's a lot of farming.  

People raise their own crops. They're not reliant on big superstores like Walmart or, in your case, like Tesco or whatever you have over there.   You have   no no real big supermarkets except in the cities.   And going to a market, yeah, you'll find you'll find   little   grocery store chains and things where you can go quickly to buy something convenient to cook for supper, let's say.   But for the most part, people have big gardens,   they raise animals like cattle, pigs, goats,   sheep, chickens,   and they live   on the land   more than most people.  

And that kind of when when I came home from that, that's kinda what inspired me to want to learn more about raising   animals,   because of what I saw over there. Right.   Where it's more simple life.   Like, for instance, I was in one village,   near Ufa, which is kind   of above Kazakhstan,   and   every morning at 7 o'clock,   everybody in the village,   they all have gates   around their house, they have a fence,   and they raise animals, and almost everybody has cattle. They either have 1 or 2 heads of cattle.   And every morning at 7 o'clock   everybody opens their gates for their cattle to go out   into the main street,   and then   down the road come cowboys   that go out with the cattle   out to the pastures   where they   sit and graze all day.  

The cowboys watch them,   and then about sunset   they all come back and every cow knows exactly which gate to enter to get back to   their, living quarters. Wow. It's it's amazing. Yeah. It sounds it.   It's just a simple life. Simple life. Yeah. It's a real simple life. And I think a lot of the majority of people in the world live like that.   They're not they're not,   you know,   hold up in a big apartment complex like sardines,  

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trying, you know, going to some office job or, you know, construction job or whatever it is. Stressful job and being, oh, I don't know. It's just the way you know, like you say, both parents work here, and I think what it's like in this house in the mornings,   get getting up getting out through the door all by, like, I had it in my head this Monday that I'd be gone on time, and I'd come back to my house exactly how I wanted to find it, everything done.   It wasn't. And I've just bought the last cup because I've just had, like, 10 days annual leave.   And you get into that relaxing mode, pottering around the house. And I've actually been really content just decorating and doing a bit of gardening. And it really is the simple things, but we all do need   money, unfortunately.  

But Yeah. And then you you become kind of a clock watcher where it's, like, kinda get my hours in. Yeah. That clock drives me up the wall because it's never I I swear the days are going quicker as well. It's it's good to be busy,   but, you know, I've got people I need to phone and stuff like that. And I just think there's not enough hours in the day. They probably think I'm really rude. But,   yeah, it's,   life is pretty stressful for most people   trying to run a home, look after children. Both parents work. And, you know, I feel sometimes like you could do a day's work before 9 o'clock by the time you've done the school run and, you know, if your child goes to the breakfast club and stuff. And I could do that and let him go to the after school club so I could work longer hours, but   enough you know, he's been at school all day, and I will put him first with that. I always make sure, you know, on the odd occasion, he's got to go in early for something, but very rare. You know? And I do feel for those kids that are there from, like, quarter to 8 in the morning till half past 5,   you know, at the end of the day.  

And then it's just a mad rush because parents go to classes with them and you see them at these clubs. They're doing their reading because the children have got homework that this, you know, you gotta squeeze that in as well. Oh, it drives me nuts. Yeah. A simple Oh, yeah. And then sports?  

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Sports. Yeah. They get they get in the football.  

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Yeah. You  

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know? I have I have a brother that's a professional   football player and they won. His team won the Super Bowl the last two times. Oh, wow. Kansas City Chiefs,   Leo Chanel.   Oh.   And that was a whole thing growing up   where it's from one football game to the next football game, and and it's just like there's no time for just, like, a normal home life.   The parents are always going from one place to another.   There's no real   family time because it's all   spent going to games. And it's just like, ugh.  

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Yeah. Even that, there's there's a downside to it. There is. I've got a friend and her son's sport mad, and they're out, like, nearly every night. And my son is not overly keen on sport things.   I get to drop him to scouts once a week, and he he does that begrudgingly, but I'm like, no. You've gotta do something. You've gotta get out and mix with children. And I think at least with the scouts, they learn some good values and stuff.   And that's that sort of thing, you know, I've always said, I would like to help out if I had more time. As such, you know, there's something about that place. It it smells old when I go there. It's been there for years, but the people,   they're my sort of people. I think, you know, you're here in the evening doing this with the kids.  

Yeah. I I do love that bunch of people.   But, yeah,  

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time is limited. That's one thing that's one thing you can do when you're homeschooling. You know? You can you can go to the beach. You can just relax,   you know, and not be pressured to to have to   do things, you know,   keep make writing exams and taking tests and all that stuff.   And I know people who homeschool,   where that's all they're doing. It's like they're wasting a lot of time   with a schedule   trying to fulfill,   you know, some other person who's who's,   who they're paying   to provide curriculum for their children   to do that, and and it's that too, I'm kind of against that as well because it's just like, what's the point of homeschooling, you know? Yeah. Yeah.  

You you should be able to teach   your children what they need to know   without that without that pressure.   And I think the the more you can get rid of that, the happier they're gonna be later in life because they're gonna see, well, if I really wanna do this, I can do it, But I can take the time to do it and the leisure time to to plan things,   and to to enjoy it, and take happiness from what you're doing. Because if you're just constantly trying to fill in a schedule,   you're not gonna be happy.   You're not. You're not. You're gonna be   always fearing, missing out. You're gonna be you know, the fear is a big thing.  

And I've learned a lot   from raising animals about how to handle fear,   you know. When you're raising animals,   it's a little different because   you're okay. So country life versus city life.   Country life, there are a different set of fears than you have in a city where fear might be, oh, who is this person? Can I trust this person? You you see a lot less people,   and then when you're raising animals,   then it becomes a different type of fear.   It's like,   oh, is my animal gonna get out of its its,   area, its pasture?   You know, that becomes the fear, so to speak.  

But even that is kind of ridiculous   when you when you   get more experience with it, because   raising cattle, for instance,   as long as you can keep them fenced in   where you need them to be, You don't have much to worry about.   And if you have enough grazing land for them, they have enough food because,   like, for instance, cattle and pigs,   they they eat grass.   They'll they'll eat the things on the land.   Nature the nature of things nature provides that   for for those animals.   And   worrying about food for, you know, providing food for them. Right?   I remember when we first started out, it's like, oh, you got to feed them, you got to have a schedule, they got to get enough,   and then your grain bill, you end, it becomes 1,000 of dollars eventually, and you're feeding these animals and it's like, well, I could just as well put them in a pasture and they can eat grass. Yeah. Yeah. And have to go out and spend money to feed these things.  

And, yeah, they'll get out from time to time,   and the bigger animals, you have to be more careful with because they can do more damage   if they get out. But,   really,   if you're careful,   you can provide for those animals.   And then   when it comes time to either sell them   or butcher them, like, I do a lot of I do my own butchering. I learned to do to be a butcher Wow. Over the years.  

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How does that how does that feel when it comes to that time when you've reared these animals and now it's time   to eat them?  

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Yeah. I know. At at first, it was kind of a you know, like, you dread waking up in the morning when you're gonna do this because it's like,   I don't know what I'm gonna do. I don't know how this is gonna turn out. There you know, you have all these   concerns.   And   there again,   the more like, anything, the more you do it, the less concern you have. I mean, the less,   not concern, but the less worry or stressed things become.  

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But you you have must be able to, like, kind of switch off, do you to be able to do that because, I mean, like, if I I couldn't even kill a spider,   and, I mean, I know, you know, that they're there to for food. They're not there for pets,   but, you know, you've reared these little piggies, watched them grow, and now you're eating them.  

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Yeah. And and maybe this is the difference between men and women. Right.   Because most   most people who who do the butchering and that sort of thing typically are men. Right. It's a man's man's job,   and   the men   most men are less less squeamish.   Like, you what do you what do you oh, there's a spider. Let's call a man in here to take care of it or whatever it is, or there's a mouse or whatever it is.   So   you naturally   learn to get over that fear, like, of killing an animal.   Yes. You're killing an animal,   but at the same time,   you grew up eating meat.  

Mhmm. Men have been   you know, it's been something that people do   since the dawn of time, practically.   So   getting over that fear and just saying,   okay.   This is an animal. God gave it to us to provide for us for our nourishment,   and so we, you know, we shouldn't worry about   the food. You know? Like,   oh, there's such you look at, like, alternative news or even the regular news. I think recently,   didn't you have some government official come out and say,   make sure to have enough food and water for 3 days,   and this sort of thing,   and and prepare because there's war coming around or whatever it is.  

It's all this needless fear that people have that they're not gonna have food,   and   people can get obsessed with it,   and people make a ton of money off of people's fears in this regard.   Oh, you're not gonna have enough food when when the shit hits the fan.   You you   but being a farmer and knowing what I know now,   I'm less worried about that stuff, because I know that I could go anywhere in the world   and I could butcher animals   and provide meat for the people around me,   And it's it's it actually alleviates that fear you have of being without something Right. Starving to death or any of that. Is it a big thing in America like it is here at the moment? Like, well, farmers are protesting  

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everywhere.   Are they on to that in America as well?  

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No. Because here in America, the farmers are very well taken care of. Right.   You know, we have basically socialism for farmers. Right.   They they get subsidies   even if their crops don't grow   because   it's just natural   that some places are going to have good years and other places will have bad years in in within the same year.   And you want those farmers   so that when the time comes,   in their location, there's a a bumper crop. There's, like, a ton of food. You know, you want them to be productive.   So you've you take money and you set it aside   for those people. And and here's where maybe insurance the idea of insurance is a good thing, is providing for the future.  

Right.   It's just like the story   of Joseph in the Bible when he told the pharaoh   his dream that there were gonna be 7 years of bad famine.   So and there's gonna be before that, there're gonna be 7 years of just, like, amazing harvest.   So in those 7 years of amazing harvest,   learn to set aside   from your abundance   so that you prepare for the future.   Makes sense. Yeah. Built silos,   and they so when the famine came, they had more than enough food.   And it it's a similar situation. When you're a farmer,   you rely a lot on your neighbors,   and not only that,   for instance,   the beginning of this year,   we had   an overabundance of pigs,   piglets, young Right. You know, little baby pigs,   where we had a 130 piglets,   you know, mostly piglets, there were probably about 70 to 80 piglets   out of the rest,   probably even less probably   even less adults and more more,   babies.  

What do you do at that point? You have more food than you need.   Well,   there are plenty of people   you could just go on Facebook and you say, I have too many pigs. I'm giving away piglets.   And you would be amazed at how many people are like, yeah, I'll take 1, I'll take I'll take 10,   I'll take 20.   You know?   So you never have to really worry about having too much because there's always somebody that's gonna be there   in need   as a farmer.   So  

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Right. Well, I I think I don't know. It's it's a little things like that. Yeah. So different to our country, though, at the moment, Patrick. You know, the farmers is a   massive, massive thing   because they're just a dying breed over here   because of political stuff, and they're trying to blame everything on the,   the greenhouse effect and all this CO 2 rubbish and stuff.   Yeah. It's been really hard for the farmers in this country, and I know in lots of other come countries. But I'm not just talking about, like, the meat consumption, but like dairy farming where they're selling to the local supermarkets, and they're just making a loss. You know?   And it it is because you're getting cheap imports from America or to places other places. Well, no. I think they are coming from local places, but they've signed contracts, you see. So, like, for every, like, pint of milk that they sell for, like, 40 p, Tescos are, like, making double that amount.  

And because everything's gone up, as in,   fuel, electricity,   to help with their business, they're not making anything.   And over here now, they're actually offering,   farmers payouts   to, come out of their jobs so they can have the land for rewilding and stuff   like that. It's just   crazy.   But,   now I see where you're coming from.  

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Yeah. I know. And, like, where I'm where I'm from here, we had a big company,   actually, near Minneapolis,   back in the 18 fifties was, Pillsbury   Mills   because on the river, the Mississippi River, it's perfect for generating electricity,   and not only electricity, but just power in general. So back before elect a lot of electricity,   they used the the waterways   to mill   wheat,   and then they would take that wheat and they would export it because they'd have more than enough.   And they just ship it down the Mississippi on barges Right. Down to the Gulf of Mexico and then out to places. Like,   I I was reading a book about the Pillsbury Mills. They would ship Pillsbury flour   just by the shipload   to England   and you know, for biscuits and that sort of thing and bread.  

So you   you do have competition.   You do have cheap imports that come in   that are competing with the labor   there,   with the farmers.   The same with America. You know, America,   we raise a lot of maize, which we call corn,   and we raise soybean,   and we do a lot most of the stuff ends up being exported   that isn't consumed here   and sent off all over the world.   And   in order to keep that system going,   they keep people in other countries poor   and reliant on imports   of American   farm goods,   so that when it comes time,   they can keep them basically in a type of slavery   where they don't end   up having their own farms, and there's incentives not to raise crops   in their lands   and to import them from America.  

And then the things that they do raise   are the exotic things that only grow in a particular place. Like, if you're in a a southern   tropical climate,   you might grow coconuts or bananas or something and export those,   but you never grow   staple goods like wheat   or corn   because   those are all imported cheaply.   The farmers   are given, like you you said,   incentive not   to grow their crops   and to get out of farming altogether and just rewild things   so that then   that that,   you know, the people in control can take over and import all of their goods.   But that goes on a lot.  



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Yeah. Yeah. Too much.  

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And ideally,   you should be able to have a little farm in the countryside, raise some animals,   have a little plot of land, maybe like, I don't know, over there maybe 3 or 3 to 5 acres   would be a good size.   And just, you know, raise enough for your family, but also for other families in the the village,   and exchange goods that way. I I just it's just,   it's natural. It'd be natural. Yeah. Lots of,  

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groups are trying to, like, bring this apart   bring this into   fruition,   over here, especially in Cornwall.   Lots of little groups that have you know, they go out doing things together and share vegetable plots and trying to keep it all local. And, I mean, lots of people would like to go back to how it used to  

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be, you know, before all the And have a a market. Yeah. Have a farmer's market. Yeah. We do have farmers' markets and things. You almost have to keep that on the you know, you almost have to keep that out of the government part. You know? You have to be able to get along with your neighbors enough to where you can communicate with them without having to go   to a intermediary   like Facebook   or any of these other things where, you know, it's like   have your own bulletin board   where you're you're outside of the whole supermarket grocery store   system. Kinda like a cooperative should be, but not   not as you know, like, cooperatives here,   they're just all big corporations now.  

And you the the little farmer has no control over it. It's all run by big big farms, big massive,   you know, producers of milk,   dairy, you know, dairy cattle, that kind of thing.   Keep it local. Like, you know somebody that raises chickens, maybe they have 10, 30 chickens,   go to them, you know, get to get eggs   or or meat, chicken.   And and then if you grow something in your property where you have,   an abundance of it, whatever it is, like squash or   beans or peas,   Trade.   Do do barter.   Go back to bartering   and rely as little as you can on money.  

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Yeah. And I think we can all do a lot with that shop. I mean, I've started using my butchers all the time now. Buy all my meat from there. And even the milk is no more expensive than at the supermarket.   But interestingly enough, when I try and have these conversations,   I've said to him, like, I tried to chat about the big farmers movement, and he always says, well, it doesn't affect me. I won't be here soon and stuff like that. But even the butchers, I don't think that well, there's so many of them out there, and even farmers, they don't really see what's going on behind the scenes and where it's all leading to.  

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Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Well, Shelley, we'll have to do another show. We will. I It's looking like we're getting to the top of the hour now. We are. We are running out of time. So let's promote your show, Patrick, while we've got a couple of minutes. Okay. Yeah. I'm not quite ready to do a complete show, but I'd I have been   letting Paul   run my radio windmiller,   stream on radio soapbox. So from time to time, you'll hear music,   old time music, a lot of that,   old vinyl and shellac records. That's what I typically   like to listen to. So   I play that on Radio Windmiller,   and you you'll be seeing it on the schedule   on radio at radiosoapbox.com   in the future here.  

Great. He was even playing some before the show Ah. About hour before the show.   Right. I listened to one the other night. It was lovely music. Nice to hear some decent stuff, old stuff as well. Yeah. The old stuff. You know? See how people lived back then. That's what that's what I like. Yeah. Yeah. There again, the history. You see how people lived back then, you can get a better idea of how things should be now   and where we can go in the future, and I'm I'm hopeful for the future.  

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Oh, good. Good.   Well, it's been lovely chatting to you. You've lifted my spirits anyway.   You're you're very laid back, aren't you, Patrick? I can tell.  

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Yeah. And this is, you know, a very short time, but I'm I'm glad that I could be here with you. Oh, bless you. Bless you. Well, we will round up now. I'm gonna put the outro music on.  

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Thanks again, Patrick, and we will catch up soon, my lovely.   And, Alright. Thank you, Shelley. You're welcome.   And to everybody else, have a fantastic week, and I'll be back the same time next week on radiosoapbox.com   at 7 o'clock PM.   Join me in a minute with Malefika Scott, and we have a guest this evening on the Konark connection.   Have an awesome week, guys.