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In this episode, we delve into the pressing issues of child abuse and domestic violence with our guest, Fay Davies. Fay is at the forefront of organising the Cornwall March for the Million Women's March, a nationwide event aimed at raising awareness and sparking change on these critical issues. The march is set to take place on Monday, February 17th, starting at the cathedral at 11:30, with the march commencing at 12:00 and concluding with guest speakers at Lemon Quay.
Fay shares her personal journey and the motivations behind her involvement in this cause. She discusses the alarming rise in child abuse cases and the societal silence that often surrounds these issues. Faye's passion is deeply rooted in her own experiences and her academic background in psychology and criminology, which have driven her to understand and combat the cycles of abuse.
The conversation touches on the systemic failures in addressing child abuse and domestic violence, highlighting the shocking statistics that reveal the extent of the problem. Faye emphasises the importance of creating a supportive environment where victims feel safe to come forward and the need for societal change to address these "elephant in the room" topics.
We also explore the broader implications of abuse, including the grooming process, the impact of trauma on individuals, and the challenges faced by survivors in seeking justice. Fay candidly discusses the barriers to reporting abuse and the need for better support systems for victims.
Join us as we uncover the harsh realities of abuse and the urgent need for action, while Faye provides insights into the upcoming march and how you can get involved in this vital movement for change.
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Unknown:
Faye Faye Davis. Thank you for coming on the show. And You're more than welcome. We're gonna be talking a little bit tonight about the elephant in the room, child abuse, domestic violence. Faye is organizing the Cornwall March for the million women's march that's happening nationwide on Monday, February in. We are meeting at the cathedral at 11:30. The march leaves at 12:00, and after a short march, there's gonna be guest speakers in lemon key. So, Faye, tell us all about how you got to take this mission on board.
[00:01:39] Unknown:
Alright. Well, it started originally. I got, a Facebook message of a friend, give us the GB News that Natalie did. Right. Just explaining why she was doing the million women march, and it it definitely just touched it's quite a personal and close to heart subject for myself. So quite felt quite passionate that I'd like to be able to do it, but London's obviously not easy for everyone to access. So I put a post out just seeing if other people were interested, you know, in trying to do this, you know, trying to do organize one down Cornwall. And then the next thing I know, I had sort of volunteer sent to me, with the understanding that I was organized. It's all a bit like, oh.
So a bit scary, a bit daunting because I've never done anything like this before. But I think it's massively important that child abuse is on the rise. I mean, a 38% rise, I think, it was recorded in 02/1450, so I imagine that's probably up from where it was before. And it's almost like the, like you said, the elephant in the room of, like, not spoken about. But When you look at the statistics for how many are actually coming forward and speaking about it and it actually becoming a statistic, it's scary because the statistics that I I've read out in the past have been just a smidgen of what we're actually dealing with. Like, the magnitude of how big this is is quite scary.
Well, it is scary.
[00:03:10] Unknown:
Numbers, the real numbers are always hidden, aren't they? So this is something close to your heart, I know you've said. Can and it's not just for the children, is it? It's women and children, but it's aimed at talking about domestic violence, sexual abuse, grooming gangs, all of those elephant in the room subjects. And the purpose of the march, I believe, is to be apolitical. Doesn't matter what race, what politics you believe in. It's purely for the women and the children to march. So out of all of this, like, child abuse, sex grooming gangs, and stuff like that, I know I see the stuff that goes on in the chat and the videos. I find it a bit too much, to be honest with me, because you go to bed carrying that stuff, don't you?
Delving into I mean, how have you come into delving into this so deeply?
[00:04:03] Unknown:
Well, in all honesty, just sort of putting it sort of straight out on the tables. Probably a little bit of trying to understand my own childhood. I did experience childhood abuse, which to sort of explain in a nutshell without going into too much detail, which that led on to, another abusive relationship I ended up in. I did actually go to university and start studying psychology and criminology, sort of a little bit trying to understand just everything, just, you know, in general. Not overly knowing what I wanted to be at the end. I did think about a criminal profiler, but very much quite personal reasons why I was doing it. And by understanding that, I realized that how what I was experiencing in my childhood was then I was recreating it in relationships.
And and so coming to that understanding and then also because of becoming to that understanding, then looking into like, I also, for a little while, run a domestic support abuse group, after coming out of the And sorry. A not very nice relationship. Sorry. And through that, heard of, like, many other stories, survivor stories. I got quite looking into the statistics and figures because it was quite daunting looking at, like, just some of the statistics as you start looking into it. Like, I think it was ninety nine percent of rape cases have no legal proceedings, have no no conviction. And, like, when you when you look at figures like this, it's that's scary. And it was eighty six percent of child sexual abuse is never, you know, never dealt with in in legal proceedings or or any crime. You know, anyone convicted of anything.
And when you look at stuff like this, it's then then I become curious of the why. Why is this happening? Why why have we got services that are there to deal with it, but yet we're still getting failures that are happening? So I suppose a little bit of curiosity for myself, but also the the passion for for knowing what it feels like, to experience certain things and to think that there's children going through that now. And I just I don't know. I think it sets a little bit of a fire off in your belly, especially knowing that that that every I think it was every two sorry. At two plus children every minute are going into, like, child slavery, which is a very sort of hard subject to bring up when you bring up anything to do with trafficking. It's very much sort of hushed a lot, and there's a lot of silence around child abuse, whether it be because it's in the family home, whether it's to be there's often multigenerational.
And by multigenerational, I mean, you're literally born into it. Like, you're I'm not saying every family member, but there can be in situations where it's grandma and and then it's like mom, maybe dad, brothers, sisters. It's literally born into it and you don't know any different. Don't know any different. Yeah. Yeah. And and there's a lot of I think it was this the second percentage of, like, reasons why, people don't come forward or why they would come forward. So I've got it written down somewhere, but I'm just trying to remember. It was something along the lines of I just factoid. It's easier to try and find it than it is to remember it.
Bear with me. Sorry. I've got so many notes for you that it might just take me a minute just to find. Yeah. Six key themes. Sorry. It's just easier to give you the correct information. Six key themes that help children disclose. Now the first one was 75% access to someone they can trust, which obviously moves on to the, whether it be if it's in your family, who can you trust? Whether it be that you can't trust your family and you go to the authorities, but yet we're hearing about cases like baby pee where they're getting let down. There's also but the second one, which was the one I was, wanted to mention was 55% said, realizing it's not normal.
So we've got children that don't know any different. They're coming out of their childhood. They're probably not speaking necessarily with other people that are saying, oh, that was wrong. Do you know what I mean? Or that wasn't right or whatever. It's I often found throughout life as well that birds of a feather flock together, and I happen to bump into lots of people that had very similar pasts to me. I mean, not the same. Some a lot worse than than I've ever experienced. You know what I mean? But from hearing their stories, it's it's like during childhood, it's it's creating your normal and and having to let these children know that that's not normal as well. So I think there's a lot of training going to be needed because there is quite often no signs or the signs aren't getting picked up on. And this is where we definitely need to be looking into, like, how we can change that.
[00:09:15] Unknown:
I know they've been talking more in schools on this subject, and I was actually a little bit horrified of, like, the sex education because I I wasn't told about it. And I know the problem is it it is these lessons that quite often children find out and think, oh, this isn't normal because they've never spoken about it before. And I know there was a whole whole hoo because they were, like, trying to get children to call their names, their private parts, the correct names rather than so that if a child is going to a teacher and saying, like, oh, daddy touched my cookie or what have you so that they would distinguish the difference, really. But there was a quite a bit of hoo And even at the time, I was a bit like, I don't want him knowing the real names of things and stuff like that. But thinking about it now, it's like it's really important. And I never thought about it on those lines that that's the first time children are gonna learn possibly that something's not right when they learn about sex education.
[00:10:18] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's it's things like this that, we've got to realize that these children, when they're born into it as well, they don't know any different. And a lot of the, a lot of the I don't know how to explain it. Like this it explains a lot of thing. Like, if you if you wanted to deal with the root cause of everything, and I I pretty much like, I'm not a professional, but a lot of it is to do with trauma and childhood abuse. Like, if you look at why people get an addiction, it's often come from a trauma, usually childhood, possibly other traumas in adulthood or young adolescence. There's also, the when they're experiencing this trauma, it's sort of shaping their view on on love very, very wrongly.
And, obviously, with the the, grooming process that we hear of, whether it be pedophiles, grooming gangs, whatever, or even in homes, the grooming process obviously always starts off, they're really nice. Now you can almost cross section that to a domestic abuse relationship because the the that's what it's like at the beginning. They're really nice and then you see a little bit of, like, not very nice, but then they're nice again. And this this creates that Stockholm syndrome, and it doesn't matter whether you're an adult or a child. This is a well known way of of creating a trauma bond.
And once that trauma bond's created, it it can even be hard for children to know that they're even being abused, that they're even being, that that isn't their boyfriend that's that's, like, trafficking them. Do you get what it is? Yeah. Yeah. There's there's there's this thing where we've we've got to we've got to do something because there's there's others like the, crime. Crimes, often got into as well. Like, if you look at the statistics for how many children then go on to crime with childhood abuse, there's so many different faucets that this impacts. It's such a big umbrella.
And there's also the very touchy subject of the perpetrator themselves. I say perpetrator pedophile. We just say it as it is. Because when I was watching, I watched a documentary. It was very quite interesting. I'm very much about the root cause. You can't stick a plaster on something and expect it to be okay. Do you know what I mean? Especially if it's infected and needs lancing or do you get what I mean? You can't fix it that way. And a lot of perpetrators, a lot of pedophiles have experienced what they're doing first.
So the victims are victims and often the perpetrators, I mean, as as horrible as they turn out, and I don't condone any of their behavior, but they've often experienced what they're doing. So if it was a pedophile, they've maybe had that experience as a child themselves. Same with physical abuse, same with emotional abuse. They're often recreating their family home. There was something going around a a very, good phrase, like, it sticks in my head of red flags don't feel like red flags when they feel like home, which is sort of relating to sort of like family life.
So I think there's very much that these children need help and also the fact that the amount of stories I've heard of children going into care, and that is, like, probably one of the worst. But in fact, it was, when I mentioned about the, if I just get the name right because I don't wanna give you the wrong name again. Sorry if you can just find it, the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse. They mentioned on their obviously, their handful of people, and and queried them for their well, sorry. Queeried them, sort of asked them questions, and, they're creating a a an investigation right now. And they when they've got this handful of people that have come forward, the the survivors, there was school at the top, and then right underneath it was, like, care homes and and things like this. If I in fact, I've got it in front of me so I can give you sort of, like, what we're looking at. We've got, England, One Thousand Seven Hundred And Four schools implicated in this, investigation they're doing. Second, this is obviously an order of how many numbers they've got. Children's home, 858.
Professional establishments, 313. Health establishments. I mean, I won't keep going, but we've got, young children and young persons association, prison and young offenders, sports venues, law enforcement, military locations, places of entertainment, even hotels and guest houses. Do you know what I mean? This is this is there is people with not good intentions finding their way into establishments that should be helping children, and that is the be all and end all of it. And that's why I think there's a lot of silence around it. They want us to be quiet.
[00:15:14] Unknown:
They don't want anyone speaking to them. They don't want their names shared, do they? Yeah. I've seen a couple connected.
[00:15:27] Unknown:
It's a really a really valid point because that I was so shocked when I was reading some of the, it's just so people can maybe Internet search it itself. It's called Labour twenty five plus fifty one, and it's listing the Labour MPs or the associated with the Labour Party. And the sexual crimes against children that they've done this goes anywhere from child pornography right up to I don't know if you can say the word, but, like, full. I don't know if I can get into trouble for saying that. No. You can say whatever. Okay. I won't show if it is it get flagged or not.
Just I've only let listed, I think, four. Is it four or five? Just to give you an idea, there's plenty, obviously, more that people can go and look at, but just the the ones that really stood out to me near the top. Harriet Harmon, child, child hold on. Bear with me. Sorry. I've got the wrong bit there. Sorry. Here we are. Labour councillor and school governor for child welfare, Brian Gates arrested for child porn. Labour MP, take into account that was for child welfare. So this is someone that's in there, in that establishment. Labour MP candidate, Manish sued, offered schoolchildren money for sex.
Labour Party organizer to Lord Mayor, school teacher, helper, and scout leader, and Timothy Edmere's child rapist. Labour Lord, mayor, school teacher, and nursery school governor, Graham Pearson arrested for possession of child rape images. Do you know when you look at stuff like this, and then you've got 364 Labour MPs saying they don't want a national inquiry into the grooming gangs, it's just raises a few eyebrows.
[00:17:11] Unknown:
Absolutely. Absolutely. And what do we know about these grooming gangs? How common are they?
[00:17:18] Unknown:
From what I gather, there's, been quite a few cases that are now quite highlighted in the news like the Rotherham and the Rochdale. There's quite a few being highlighted. And they've been highlighted because of the police failings and the way the police have handled it. And it's not just the way they've handled it. There's been a cover up. There's been women that have not been believed. There's there was even a story I was listening to. It absolutely in fact, I think it was a video I watched. And this man, this this poor father has tried to get his child that, I think it was child or was young adult, but regardless, it makes no difference, but tried to get his daughter from, what was a house full of of of Pakistani men. I don't know exactly the numbers that was in there, but there was a a large amount in the same room as his daughter.
And his daughter was very drunk. I don't know about the state of the Pakistan Pakistani men. And, this isn't to do with race. It's no matter if you're white, black, anything. It's to do with what they're doing, and that's what, obviously, no one condones. But the the police have been called by by the father, and the police have come out. And instead of going in and seeing that the that the daughters that the the young child I'm sure she was underage, if I remember rightly. Instead of seeing that she's drunk and around a lot of older men I mean, these men were probably at least twice her age, if not older. They've got her done for drunk and disorderly and and and and things like prostitute and and and things like this. So when you when you look at, like, what's happening, it's just It turned around.
Yeah. It does feel like that that the that the victim that's, like, brave enough to come forward. The victim didn't even come forward as a dad. But do you know what I mean? When they're brave enough to come forward, it's like a little bit like what's the point. And I don't want that to to to to to stop anyone from coming forward. But when you've got police failings like that, I mean, the police there was a thirty thirty police officers since if I can get the right year. I think it was 2019. It was 30 police officers to do, done for, child sexual, committed crimes. So so there's it's that's varying sort of different crimes, and that's that's 30 Peter Fowleswick that was in the police force and have been arrested or convicted of something to do with, whether it be child pornography right up to the more serious cases.
And that's scary. And it's we've now got not only is it really hard, like I said, it was eighty six percent of child sexual abuse cases won't won't be known about, don't come forward. It's just also when they do come forward, the the the
[00:20:03] Unknown:
it's almost like secondary victimization is the best way of probably describing it. Is this Yeah. A lady I spoke to the other day, she said that she was raped in a club, had her drink spiked, and she said she wouldn't go to the police because of the she knew what it would be like turned all around on her. And she said it would be just as, you know, it would be hell on earth. So she said I just decided to leave it, which is sad. Yeah. There's so many. There's so many. I mean, that was what is it? The the 86%
[00:20:33] Unknown:
that don't even come forward and the 99% that that don't get a conviction to rape. But it's it's like and I and I know obviously you've you've watched the Vose video yourself, but saying about that justice scale, like learning about the justice scale and what it meant, when I was at university. And it was all to do with the punishment matching the crime. And you've now got, well, on one hand, you've got someone that's doing child of being found with child pornography, which is child rape, but they call it child pornography. And they're getting caught with this, and they're getting nothing more than, like, community service or or, like, whatever it might be, suspended sentence, but they're not going to prison. And then you've got someone sharing a post on social media and being arrested and sent to prison. It's that
[00:21:21] Unknown:
it just do you get what I mean? The the balance on that You don't have to tell me. I mean, my my dad was sent to prison for eighteen months for hate speech. And on eight he was, yeah, charged for eight accounts of hate speech. And the guy that went in after him, it was his second time molesting two sisters, and he got a two year suspended sentence. You know? But, you know, you look at the the whole Hugh was his surname. You know? BBC? Was he ITV? Hugh Jackman? Forgot that name. I'm not very good at famous people. Names this sort of Do you remember the big the big newsreader? It was yes. And he's in charge of Of course. Yes. Know what he got, but but he didn't get much at all. And, you know, you think of all the years people have been following this man and think he's a wonderful man.
Yeah. Well, he's not so wonderful now, is he? But he's one of the few people that well, they've saved, I believe, because he's in a higher place. Why wasn't he put to prison? Why wasn't he made an example of? Yeah. Yeah.
[00:22:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. So It it is that thing though as well, isn't it? That, that I mean, the more I look into it, the the the scary it even becomes to just sort of like have children. Do you know what I mean? The more I look into it. I mean, there's, sorry. I'm just trying to think of the I think it was Katie Hopkins. I mean, I didn't get to I didn't actually manage to watch the video before coming on here, but someone mentioned it before speaking with yourself that, even Katie Hopkins had, apparently, more or less caught red handed in 02/2019, the Roman Catholic church, you know, sort of with the, child trafficking and and things like that. And when you look into, like, the the different things that are involved I mean, even, like, looking into Bernardo's and that their care homes have been implicated, and they've been implicated in the, the what I suppose would be child trafficking of they sent loads of children away. I think it was in the fifties and sixties, over abroad.
I mean, I don't know if all of them, was told the same thing, but a lot of them were told that their parents had died, and this wasn't the case. They were sent over there thinking they'd lost all their parents and they was gonna have a new life. There's
[00:23:44] Unknown:
I think, there's even a, a YouTube,
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video. I think it's called sunshine and oranges or oranges and sunshines. I might be getting that wrong way around. But it's that's this is, talking on that subject or touching on that subject of these children that got sent abroad, and a lot of them ended up being abused in some way or whether whether it be sexual abuse, physical abuse, slavery, just manual labor. A lot of them ended up with, like, lifetime scars. I think if I remember rightly, there was one guy, I did write it down, but to save sort of, like, remembering names and stuff like that. And he says that he's in his seventies now and the effects of of what he went through, through that, that he's he's 70 years old and he's still not been able to hug his wife.
Oh, it's awful. And when you read stuff like that and you think, god, this is this is like a lifetime thing that's going to affect them And not just affect them when it it's just happened and obviously the trauma of it just happening, having to go through sort of the healing process and things like that. We're talking about a 70 year old man that finds it really hard to have, like, physical comfort. And so to not be able to have physical comfort because it obviously triggers, you know, not great men and it just that's heartbreaking. And then to know that this is still ongoing now and there's both women and children going through this right now and that people that do talk about, whether it be, gang related or or whatever it might be, it's it's almost it's like it's been censored and we're being quiet and down and we're not allowed to speak about it. And if we do speak about it, whether it be grooming gangs and we're racist or if we're talking about it, we're extremists and it's just
[00:25:34] Unknown:
why is it extreme? You mentioned that. Why is it extreme to think this, though? Yeah. Yeah. But is was the wasn't there a poll that did suggest, there was uproar about it as well that the majority of grooming gangs are Pakistan
[00:25:47] Unknown:
men? Am I right or am I wrong? Yes. No. That is right. This, I was reading something the other day, and it says it is true. It is true that the, Pakistani men are are being prevalent with the gang rape, with the grooming gangs, if you wanna call it, but it's rape, really. And they have been associated. And straight away, because the the the race has been sort of highlighted, it's anyone that's speaking out about it now is being sort of labeled with the racist card, and it's not anything to do with race. It's the action. It's not to do with the color of your skin while you do something like that. Do you know what I mean? It's the action that we're not happy with. It's the action why people are not happy. And it's the fact that it does need highlighting race or not. And I did find it most interesting as well that when I looked into it, I think it was actually white men that was the, highest percentage that commit child sexual abuse. So although, obviously, we've definitely got a problem with grooming gangs, it sort of did make me think when I found them statistics that it was both the white children victims, the the survivors, and, the perpetrators, when there's been a lot of focus on this. Like, obviously, this does need focus, but it didn't it I just can't help but think there's a lot of people in high up positions.
I don't know. Do you know what I mean? That are just maybe sort of steering that, yes, there is a problem here, but is it distracting us from the highest percentage being white? So it's just something that's crossed my mind. Do you know what I mean? But, I do feel that there's certain people that are being protected, and there is definitely an infiltration into the the the very authorities that are meant to help our children.
[00:27:38] Unknown:
Yeah. And it all stems from those higher up. I I believe, like pedophilia, it's been around since the start of time. It's always been there. Yeah. But like you say, these people, these rich families as well, it doesn't matter your class, your status. You're born into it. You don't know any different. But when you look back to the whole Jimmy Savile thing, you know, I wrote to Jimmy Savile and asked him to fix it for me twice. I'm pretty glad he didn't.
[00:28:04] Unknown:
I can remember wanting to ride in because I bought a horse. I came as a kid wanting a horse. And now, you know, like, obviously, now knowing what we know, it's just, like, crazy to even think, you know, that this was someone that was
[00:28:16] Unknown:
obviously looked up to. Yeah. And you think about his friends who he went around with, and this is the problem as well, isn't it? And, like, you know, prince Andrew is constantly in the press with what he's been up to and stuff like that. And they've gotta keep it quiet, but I think that is what they like doing and especially in America. And I'm presuming you've heard of, like, Pizzagate and things like that. Now I don't know the reality of that. I'm I'm not a % sure, you know, you you can go down lots of these rabbit holes, can't you? And it's like, aren't Yeah. Items on the menu that is supposed to be a young boy, young girl, and stuff like that. But having watched horror movies over the years and things like that, I think these movies, they don't just come from ideas, do they? Lots of things
[00:29:03] Unknown:
it's like, wow. This is an idea for me. When you when you look at the, sorry. I didn't mean to talk over you, but, when you look at the Eyes Wide Shut movie, any oh, that's a very interesting movie especially after the, Diddy has come out and things like that. Yeah. And it's that sort of, to give a brief description to, these girls that have, been they go into a famous person, obviously, Diddy's, house and they're really excited and they think it's gonna be like a sort of drunken party type weekend type thing. And and it sort of as it goes on, they think they're having a good time, but one of the girls starts realizing that she's not remembering things and she's finding mud under her nails and things like this. And it it ends up all panning out that they're being drugged, and then they don't remember what's happening to them.
And knowing the story or at least the bits that were they're allowing us to listen to with the Diddy story is, is very, very, very similar and quite scarily similar, the same as the, Sound of Freedom. That's, like, so like, when I've looked into human trafficking, which is very prevalent, like, I think, Britain is one of the biggest human traffickers. I think if I wrote I wrote down as well when I was writing down about Barnardos and I just couldn't found it hard to believe. I just wanna skip forward a little bit. Bear with me.
Britain is perhaps the only country in the world to have exported vast numbers of its children. An estimated a 50,000 children were sent over a three hundred and fifty year period to god. I don't remember saying that wrong. Virginia, Australia.
[00:30:49] Unknown:
I love it. I love it. Zealand.
[00:30:51] Unknown:
Canada and what was then southern, Rhodesia, which is now Zimbabwe. And it's like when you when you look at that, it's it's it's very it's I don't know. It's it's not just in England that we're having this problem. Wales, Scotland, you know, The United Kingdom. It's not just here. This is worldwide. Everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. And this is really scary to think that, that when we're when these children are going for help, that the authorities aren't doing what they should be doing and that these cases are being missed. And that's the bit I really would like to highlight because it's the statistics are just a little smidgen of of what's really going on, and it's a lot worse than what we think, especially if you've got ninety nine percent of rapes not getting a conviction.
[00:31:41] Unknown:
It it you know what I mean? It's obviously a lot worse than what we know because the statistics will only be for how many rapes were did you go at? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it makes you think straight away, doesn't it, if something was like like, that was to happen. You think, well, actually, I'm a 1%. What's the point in me going to the police?
[00:31:56] Unknown:
Yeah. I think they used to call it I don't know if it was the dark the dark figure of crime or the I might be getting the wording wrong, but it was something that was used in criminology, and it's the statistics that aren't reported to the police. And that's this is the big bit that that they when I was given the statistics the other day and I were just sort of like, this is just a small, like, percentage of what's really going on. And when you realize the magnitude of it and that these percentages saying that majority of them I think it was something like half of child sex abusers cases, don't don't go to court. Like, half of them. Half of them don't get a conviction.
And that's well, what message is that given out to the victims and or future victims or do do you know it's it's we need to be able to have trust in the very places that are meant to help them, and they need to be able to have trust in someone if they haven't got trust at home. Do you know it's that there has to be trust somewhere because that was the number one reason. And the third reason as well was being asked. You know, when it was asking about the victims, the six six key themes, was being asked. And I thought just as simple as, you know, like, some people have maybe not reported it or maybe it's their colleague at work or, you know, and they think it's a bit suspicious or whatever and they're not they're not saying anything and it's it's things like this where there needs to be some sort of training. So the question is asked.
You know, like if you suspect something that someone will say something and there's there's not this wall of blue from the police when it's another police officer and there's not this, when it's the head teacher. Do you get what I mean? There's there's things where there's a little bit of when you work together, you form these bonds, you form these friendships, and then obviously when something terrible like this comes up, no one wants to believe it. I mean, the amount of times you'll hear that, like, oh, you'd never believed he'd do that. I don't believe he'd do that. Do you know and it it these being convicted, convicted, they've been sent to do you get what I mean? It's it's people find it sometimes hard to believe because you've got your, like, with the the 30 police pedophiles, it's you these are people that are looked up to in society.
And and do you get what I mean? So it's beyond silent. It's it's literally people don't know what's going on in the next door neighbor's house. That's do you know what I mean? It's that prevalent that it does make me worry having having children at times the more I look into it.
[00:34:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. No. It's and, you know, you said yourself that you used to work in, like, a women's refuge situation. And since we've been looking into all of this and preparing for next week, we've all been looking at various statistics and stuff like that. And there are a fair few places throughout Cornwall ref, refuge places, aren't they, supported living and shelters and stuff, which just goes to show the extreme of it. And, you know, I know people aren't helped and stuff. They have the police out. And one lady I know, they said that they were gonna fit her with an alarm, but they never did. She moved. And I mean, it was my other half that actually went around and changed the locks for her and stuff like that because she was so scared.
But no help from the police.
[00:35:04] Unknown:
I can remember, obviously, because it's quite a personal sort of experience, but, I'd been physically assaulted by my now ex, at one point. And I'd bravely because I this had happened a few times before, but I'd bravely decided to ring the police. And when I say bravely, I almost didn't. Do you know? It was because it happened, but I just I think you have to sort of, like, understand the ins and outs of domestic abuse to but anyway but so I'd rang the police and that I could not sleep. I can remember not being able to sleep all night because I was waiting for the police to come. They was coming out. They told me they were coming out. And he's like one of his, like, he, like, used threatening words so that I was expecting him to come back and things like this, so I was on edge.
He had my children. He'd taken the children with him. I'd explained this to the police. And then they I didn't sleep all night. I couldn't sleep a wink. I was just, like, literally with my phone next to me, sort of waiting for them to ring me, on edge. And then eventually, when they did turn up, I think it was about seven, eight in the morning. I remember it being light by the time they turned up, and this had happened about I'd rang them about midnight the night before, and they turned up on one of their crew. One of the first things they said to me and, like, don't get me wrong, I know the police are busy. But one of the first things they said to me, sorry, love, we've had the World Cup on. I could've just been sort of like, I have been like so scared all night.
And to to hear that Gosh. That is awful. To hear it about sort of a football game the next day was just unreal. And and like I said, it wasn't a refuge. It was a domestic abuse group on Facebook I used to run, but just hearing some of the stories that the girls had to tell me as well, very sort of similar experiences that they'd had. I mean, I can't speak for other people, but, obviously, I can tell you what I've experienced myself. Oh, that's just awful. Awful. But it's always been said, hasn't it, police don't want to get involved in domestics neither? No. No. I mean it wasn't even that long. I mean I can't remember years off the top of my head because I've not written it down and my memory's not the greatest. But it was not that many years ago that the police had, if they've got if it was domestic it was you just sort it out yourself, you know, it want it want a police job, do you know what I mean? And that's not even when you look at it, I can't remember the year exactly, but it wasn't that long ago, I can remember looking at it and thinking, Jesus, And it just even just silly little things, just like silly little things that I look into. And I found out that, the Cruelty to Animals Act, which obviously I very much agree with, was brought around before the Cruelty to Children Act.
Mean, obviously, I love my animals. Don't get me wrong. Do you know what I mean? But, yeah, they were more important. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, my gosh.
[00:37:48] Unknown:
So, presumably, I mean, this March, I I think that there's gonna be a good turnout. And I've I've been so surprised by how everybody were coming forward and wanting to help. They're so passionate about it. I think that's the thing. So many women, and I know men have as well, and children have gone through this and said nothing or felt that, you know, it's not been justified if they've searched for help. And we do need awareness about it. And it is gonna be quite an elephant in the room because the the speakers, I think they're gonna talk about things that not everybody's gonna wanna hear because they don't wanna know because they probably know someone. I mean, they they reckon that within every street, there's a pedophile.
You know, there's all these statistics and stuff. But if you can help a few people and think, oh, I've got my suspicion about that, or I need to speak up, blah, blah, blah, then it's worth it, isn't it? And I mean, ultimately, I think the plan is that there will be that many marches that it might get to parliament more, and there'll be a stronger verdict and higher success rate with these cases that come to light and stuff. But, you know, it's, good on you for doing it because, you've got everybody passionate again and got everybody looking forward to getting out and having a march and uniting and, I think these events are quite powerful moments, aren't they?
[00:39:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Definitely. I think just the the power of people coming together with the same passionate sort of cause, and all having that same mindset. There's just there is power in uniting together and that and that strength as well. And it just helps as well when you when you feel like just a little voice amongst millions of people to know that there's other million there's other little voices out there that that that feel like you do. It's it's it's the team that's working alongside us, as you know, obviously, Shailesh. Do you know what I mean? They're just amazing, passionate. They've all got their own reasons for why they've joined, and it's just been sort of amazing to work alongside,
[00:39:44] Unknown:
such a passionate team and to know that they're the same mindset. There's been no egos, has there? There's been no egos. Everyone's really genuine and, like, why should we should we do this? Should we do that? Suggestions for this and that. No. I'm I'm looking forward to it. And, big up to you for being that person. Where can people find you, Faye, if they want to find out more?
[00:40:07] Unknown:
Well, we've got our own, Facebook and x page, Million Women March Truro. We've also got a Facebook group which is just million, sorry. It's so hard to say. Million Women March. I keep saying Women Million March, but it's Million Women March. Quite come out. Yeah. And just so so people know, because, obviously, maybe not everyone that's listening to your show might be from Cornwall. If you go to the main Facebook page, which is just million women March with nothing written after it, it'll give you a list of where there's one locally to you, ones that have been set up by other organizers.
[00:40:43] Unknown:
Wonderful. Brilliant. Well, have you got anything else you'd like to add before we end?
[00:40:48] Unknown:
No. That I'm just really happy that you've had us on and to to sort of, like, been able to.
Faye Faye Davis. Thank you for coming on the show. And You're more than welcome. We're gonna be talking a little bit tonight about the elephant in the room, child abuse, domestic violence. Faye is organizing the Cornwall March for the million women's march that's happening nationwide on Monday, February in. We are meeting at the cathedral at 11:30. The march leaves at 12:00, and after a short march, there's gonna be guest speakers in lemon key. So, Faye, tell us all about how you got to take this mission on board.
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Alright. Well, it started originally. I got, a Facebook message of a friend, give us the GB News that Natalie did. Right. Just explaining why she was doing the million women march, and it it definitely just touched it's quite a personal and close to heart subject for myself. So quite felt quite passionate that I'd like to be able to do it, but London's obviously not easy for everyone to access. So I put a post out just seeing if other people were interested, you know, in trying to do this, you know, trying to do organize one down Cornwall. And then the next thing I know, I had sort of volunteer sent to me, with the understanding that I was organized. It's all a bit like, oh.
So a bit scary, a bit daunting because I've never done anything like this before. But I think it's massively important that child abuse is on the rise. I mean, a 38% rise, I think, it was recorded in 02/1450, so I imagine that's probably up from where it was before. And it's almost like the, like you said, the elephant in the room of, like, not spoken about. But When you look at the statistics for how many are actually coming forward and speaking about it and it actually becoming a statistic, it's scary because the statistics that I I've read out in the past have been just a smidgen of what we're actually dealing with. Like, the magnitude of how big this is is quite scary.
Well, it is scary.
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Numbers, the real numbers are always hidden, aren't they? So this is something close to your heart, I know you've said. Can and it's not just for the children, is it? It's women and children, but it's aimed at talking about domestic violence, sexual abuse, grooming gangs, all of those elephant in the room subjects. And the purpose of the march, I believe, is to be apolitical. Doesn't matter what race, what politics you believe in. It's purely for the women and the children to march. So out of all of this, like, child abuse, sex grooming gangs, and stuff like that, I know I see the stuff that goes on in the chat and the videos. I find it a bit too much, to be honest with me, because you go to bed carrying that stuff, don't you?
Delving into I mean, how have you come into delving into this so deeply?
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Well, in all honesty, just sort of putting it sort of straight out on the tables. Probably a little bit of trying to understand my own childhood. I did experience childhood abuse, which to sort of explain in a nutshell without going into too much detail, which that led on to, another abusive relationship I ended up in. I did actually go to university and start studying psychology and criminology, sort of a little bit trying to understand just everything, just, you know, in general. Not overly knowing what I wanted to be at the end. I did think about a criminal profiler, but very much quite personal reasons why I was doing it. And by understanding that, I realized that how what I was experiencing in my childhood was then I was recreating it in relationships.
And and so coming to that understanding and then also because of becoming to that understanding, then looking into like, I also, for a little while, run a domestic support abuse group, after coming out of the And sorry. A not very nice relationship. Sorry. And through that, heard of, like, many other stories, survivor stories. I got quite looking into the statistics and figures because it was quite daunting looking at, like, just some of the statistics as you start looking into it. Like, I think it was ninety nine percent of rape cases have no legal proceedings, have no no conviction. And, like, when you when you look at figures like this, it's that's scary. And it was eighty six percent of child sexual abuse is never, you know, never dealt with in in legal proceedings or or any crime. You know, anyone convicted of anything.
And when you look at stuff like this, it's then then I become curious of the why. Why is this happening? Why why have we got services that are there to deal with it, but yet we're still getting failures that are happening? So I suppose a little bit of curiosity for myself, but also the the passion for for knowing what it feels like, to experience certain things and to think that there's children going through that now. And I just I don't know. I think it sets a little bit of a fire off in your belly, especially knowing that that that every I think it was every two sorry. At two plus children every minute are going into, like, child slavery, which is a very sort of hard subject to bring up when you bring up anything to do with trafficking. It's very much sort of hushed a lot, and there's a lot of silence around child abuse, whether it be because it's in the family home, whether it's to be there's often multigenerational.
And by multigenerational, I mean, you're literally born into it. Like, you're I'm not saying every family member, but there can be in situations where it's grandma and and then it's like mom, maybe dad, brothers, sisters. It's literally born into it and you don't know any different. Don't know any different. Yeah. Yeah. And and there's a lot of I think it was this the second percentage of, like, reasons why, people don't come forward or why they would come forward. So I've got it written down somewhere, but I'm just trying to remember. It was something along the lines of I just factoid. It's easier to try and find it than it is to remember it.
Bear with me. Sorry. I've got so many notes for you that it might just take me a minute just to find. Yeah. Six key themes. Sorry. It's just easier to give you the correct information. Six key themes that help children disclose. Now the first one was 75% access to someone they can trust, which obviously moves on to the, whether it be if it's in your family, who can you trust? Whether it be that you can't trust your family and you go to the authorities, but yet we're hearing about cases like baby pee where they're getting let down. There's also but the second one, which was the one I was, wanted to mention was 55% said, realizing it's not normal.
So we've got children that don't know any different. They're coming out of their childhood. They're probably not speaking necessarily with other people that are saying, oh, that was wrong. Do you know what I mean? Or that wasn't right or whatever. It's I often found throughout life as well that birds of a feather flock together, and I happen to bump into lots of people that had very similar pasts to me. I mean, not the same. Some a lot worse than than I've ever experienced. You know what I mean? But from hearing their stories, it's it's like during childhood, it's it's creating your normal and and having to let these children know that that's not normal as well. So I think there's a lot of training going to be needed because there is quite often no signs or the signs aren't getting picked up on. And this is where we definitely need to be looking into, like, how we can change that.
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I know they've been talking more in schools on this subject, and I was actually a little bit horrified of, like, the sex education because I I wasn't told about it. And I know the problem is it it is these lessons that quite often children find out and think, oh, this isn't normal because they've never spoken about it before. And I know there was a whole whole hoo because they were, like, trying to get children to call their names, their private parts, the correct names rather than so that if a child is going to a teacher and saying, like, oh, daddy touched my cookie or what have you so that they would distinguish the difference, really. But there was a quite a bit of hoo And even at the time, I was a bit like, I don't want him knowing the real names of things and stuff like that. But thinking about it now, it's like it's really important. And I never thought about it on those lines that that's the first time children are gonna learn possibly that something's not right when they learn about sex education.
[00:10:18] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's it's things like this that, we've got to realize that these children, when they're born into it as well, they don't know any different. And a lot of the, a lot of the I don't know how to explain it. Like this it explains a lot of thing. Like, if you if you wanted to deal with the root cause of everything, and I I pretty much like, I'm not a professional, but a lot of it is to do with trauma and childhood abuse. Like, if you look at why people get an addiction, it's often come from a trauma, usually childhood, possibly other traumas in adulthood or young adolescence. There's also, the when they're experiencing this trauma, it's sort of shaping their view on on love very, very wrongly.
And, obviously, with the the, grooming process that we hear of, whether it be pedophiles, grooming gangs, whatever, or even in homes, the grooming process obviously always starts off, they're really nice. Now you can almost cross section that to a domestic abuse relationship because the the that's what it's like at the beginning. They're really nice and then you see a little bit of, like, not very nice, but then they're nice again. And this this creates that Stockholm syndrome, and it doesn't matter whether you're an adult or a child. This is a well known way of of creating a trauma bond.
And once that trauma bond's created, it it can even be hard for children to know that they're even being abused, that they're even being, that that isn't their boyfriend that's that's, like, trafficking them. Do you get what it is? Yeah. Yeah. There's there's there's this thing where we've we've got to we've got to do something because there's there's others like the, crime. Crimes, often got into as well. Like, if you look at the statistics for how many children then go on to crime with childhood abuse, there's so many different faucets that this impacts. It's such a big umbrella.
And there's also the very touchy subject of the perpetrator themselves. I say perpetrator pedophile. We just say it as it is. Because when I was watching, I watched a documentary. It was very quite interesting. I'm very much about the root cause. You can't stick a plaster on something and expect it to be okay. Do you know what I mean? Especially if it's infected and needs lancing or do you get what I mean? You can't fix it that way. And a lot of perpetrators, a lot of pedophiles have experienced what they're doing first.
So the victims are victims and often the perpetrators, I mean, as as horrible as they turn out, and I don't condone any of their behavior, but they've often experienced what they're doing. So if it was a pedophile, they've maybe had that experience as a child themselves. Same with physical abuse, same with emotional abuse. They're often recreating their family home. There was something going around a a very, good phrase, like, it sticks in my head of red flags don't feel like red flags when they feel like home, which is sort of relating to sort of like family life.
So I think there's very much that these children need help and also the fact that the amount of stories I've heard of children going into care, and that is, like, probably one of the worst. But in fact, it was, when I mentioned about the, if I just get the name right because I don't wanna give you the wrong name again. Sorry if you can just find it, the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse. They mentioned on their obviously, their handful of people, and and queried them for their well, sorry. Queeried them, sort of asked them questions, and, they're creating a a an investigation right now. And they when they've got this handful of people that have come forward, the the survivors, there was school at the top, and then right underneath it was, like, care homes and and things like this. If I in fact, I've got it in front of me so I can give you sort of, like, what we're looking at. We've got, England, One Thousand Seven Hundred And Four schools implicated in this, investigation they're doing. Second, this is obviously an order of how many numbers they've got. Children's home, 858.
Professional establishments, 313. Health establishments. I mean, I won't keep going, but we've got, young children and young persons association, prison and young offenders, sports venues, law enforcement, military locations, places of entertainment, even hotels and guest houses. Do you know what I mean? This is this is there is people with not good intentions finding their way into establishments that should be helping children, and that is the be all and end all of it. And that's why I think there's a lot of silence around it. They want us to be quiet.
[00:15:14] Unknown:
They don't want anyone speaking to them. They don't want their names shared, do they? Yeah. I've seen a couple connected.
[00:15:27] Unknown:
It's a really a really valid point because that I was so shocked when I was reading some of the, it's just so people can maybe Internet search it itself. It's called Labour twenty five plus fifty one, and it's listing the Labour MPs or the associated with the Labour Party. And the sexual crimes against children that they've done this goes anywhere from child pornography right up to I don't know if you can say the word, but, like, full. I don't know if I can get into trouble for saying that. No. You can say whatever. Okay. I won't show if it is it get flagged or not.
Just I've only let listed, I think, four. Is it four or five? Just to give you an idea, there's plenty, obviously, more that people can go and look at, but just the the ones that really stood out to me near the top. Harriet Harmon, child, child hold on. Bear with me. Sorry. I've got the wrong bit there. Sorry. Here we are. Labour councillor and school governor for child welfare, Brian Gates arrested for child porn. Labour MP, take into account that was for child welfare. So this is someone that's in there, in that establishment. Labour MP candidate, Manish sued, offered schoolchildren money for sex.
Labour Party organizer to Lord Mayor, school teacher, helper, and scout leader, and Timothy Edmere's child rapist. Labour Lord, mayor, school teacher, and nursery school governor, Graham Pearson arrested for possession of child rape images. Do you know when you look at stuff like this, and then you've got 364 Labour MPs saying they don't want a national inquiry into the grooming gangs, it's just raises a few eyebrows.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. And what do we know about these grooming gangs? How common are they?
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From what I gather, there's, been quite a few cases that are now quite highlighted in the news like the Rotherham and the Rochdale. There's quite a few being highlighted. And they've been highlighted because of the police failings and the way the police have handled it. And it's not just the way they've handled it. There's been a cover up. There's been women that have not been believed. There's there was even a story I was listening to. It absolutely in fact, I think it was a video I watched. And this man, this this poor father has tried to get his child that, I think it was child or was young adult, but regardless, it makes no difference, but tried to get his daughter from, what was a house full of of of Pakistani men. I don't know exactly the numbers that was in there, but there was a a large amount in the same room as his daughter.
And his daughter was very drunk. I don't know about the state of the Pakistan Pakistani men. And, this isn't to do with race. It's no matter if you're white, black, anything. It's to do with what they're doing, and that's what, obviously, no one condones. But the the police have been called by by the father, and the police have come out. And instead of going in and seeing that the that the daughters that the the young child I'm sure she was underage, if I remember rightly. Instead of seeing that she's drunk and around a lot of older men I mean, these men were probably at least twice her age, if not older. They've got her done for drunk and disorderly and and and and things like prostitute and and and things like this. So when you when you look at, like, what's happening, it's just It turned around.
Yeah. It does feel like that that the that the victim that's, like, brave enough to come forward. The victim didn't even come forward as a dad. But do you know what I mean? When they're brave enough to come forward, it's like a little bit like what's the point. And I don't want that to to to to to stop anyone from coming forward. But when you've got police failings like that, I mean, the police there was a thirty thirty police officers since if I can get the right year. I think it was 2019. It was 30 police officers to do, done for, child sexual, committed crimes. So so there's it's that's varying sort of different crimes, and that's that's 30 Peter Fowleswick that was in the police force and have been arrested or convicted of something to do with, whether it be child pornography right up to the more serious cases.
And that's scary. And it's we've now got not only is it really hard, like I said, it was eighty six percent of child sexual abuse cases won't won't be known about, don't come forward. It's just also when they do come forward, the the the
[00:20:03] Unknown:
it's almost like secondary victimization is the best way of probably describing it. Is this Yeah. A lady I spoke to the other day, she said that she was raped in a club, had her drink spiked, and she said she wouldn't go to the police because of the she knew what it would be like turned all around on her. And she said it would be just as, you know, it would be hell on earth. So she said I just decided to leave it, which is sad. Yeah. There's so many. There's so many. I mean, that was what is it? The the 86%
[00:20:33] Unknown:
that don't even come forward and the 99% that that don't get a conviction to rape. But it's it's like and I and I know obviously you've you've watched the Vose video yourself, but saying about that justice scale, like learning about the justice scale and what it meant, when I was at university. And it was all to do with the punishment matching the crime. And you've now got, well, on one hand, you've got someone that's doing child of being found with child pornography, which is child rape, but they call it child pornography. And they're getting caught with this, and they're getting nothing more than, like, community service or or, like, whatever it might be, suspended sentence, but they're not going to prison. And then you've got someone sharing a post on social media and being arrested and sent to prison. It's that
[00:21:21] Unknown:
it just do you get what I mean? The the balance on that You don't have to tell me. I mean, my my dad was sent to prison for eighteen months for hate speech. And on eight he was, yeah, charged for eight accounts of hate speech. And the guy that went in after him, it was his second time molesting two sisters, and he got a two year suspended sentence. You know? But, you know, you look at the the whole Hugh was his surname. You know? BBC? Was he ITV? Hugh Jackman? Forgot that name. I'm not very good at famous people. Names this sort of Do you remember the big the big newsreader? It was yes. And he's in charge of Of course. Yes. Know what he got, but but he didn't get much at all. And, you know, you think of all the years people have been following this man and think he's a wonderful man.
Yeah. Well, he's not so wonderful now, is he? But he's one of the few people that well, they've saved, I believe, because he's in a higher place. Why wasn't he put to prison? Why wasn't he made an example of? Yeah. Yeah.
[00:22:26] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. So It it is that thing though as well, isn't it? That, that I mean, the more I look into it, the the the scary it even becomes to just sort of like have children. Do you know what I mean? The more I look into it. I mean, there's, sorry. I'm just trying to think of the I think it was Katie Hopkins. I mean, I didn't get to I didn't actually manage to watch the video before coming on here, but someone mentioned it before speaking with yourself that, even Katie Hopkins had, apparently, more or less caught red handed in 02/2019, the Roman Catholic church, you know, sort of with the, child trafficking and and things like that. And when you look into, like, the the different things that are involved I mean, even, like, looking into Bernardo's and that their care homes have been implicated, and they've been implicated in the, the what I suppose would be child trafficking of they sent loads of children away. I think it was in the fifties and sixties, over abroad.
I mean, I don't know if all of them, was told the same thing, but a lot of them were told that their parents had died, and this wasn't the case. They were sent over there thinking they'd lost all their parents and they was gonna have a new life. There's
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I think, there's even a, a YouTube,
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video. I think it's called sunshine and oranges or oranges and sunshines. I might be getting that wrong way around. But it's that's this is, talking on that subject or touching on that subject of these children that got sent abroad, and a lot of them ended up being abused in some way or whether whether it be sexual abuse, physical abuse, slavery, just manual labor. A lot of them ended up with, like, lifetime scars. I think if I remember rightly, there was one guy, I did write it down, but to save sort of, like, remembering names and stuff like that. And he says that he's in his seventies now and the effects of of what he went through, through that, that he's he's 70 years old and he's still not been able to hug his wife.
Oh, it's awful. And when you read stuff like that and you think, god, this is this is like a lifetime thing that's going to affect them And not just affect them when it it's just happened and obviously the trauma of it just happening, having to go through sort of the healing process and things like that. We're talking about a 70 year old man that finds it really hard to have, like, physical comfort. And so to not be able to have physical comfort because it obviously triggers, you know, not great men and it just that's heartbreaking. And then to know that this is still ongoing now and there's both women and children going through this right now and that people that do talk about, whether it be, gang related or or whatever it might be, it's it's almost it's like it's been censored and we're being quiet and down and we're not allowed to speak about it. And if we do speak about it, whether it be grooming gangs and we're racist or if we're talking about it, we're extremists and it's just
[00:25:34] Unknown:
why is it extreme? You mentioned that. Why is it extreme to think this, though? Yeah. Yeah. But is was the wasn't there a poll that did suggest, there was uproar about it as well that the majority of grooming gangs are Pakistan
[00:25:47] Unknown:
men? Am I right or am I wrong? Yes. No. That is right. This, I was reading something the other day, and it says it is true. It is true that the, Pakistani men are are being prevalent with the gang rape, with the grooming gangs, if you wanna call it, but it's rape, really. And they have been associated. And straight away, because the the the race has been sort of highlighted, it's anyone that's speaking out about it now is being sort of labeled with the racist card, and it's not anything to do with race. It's the action. It's not to do with the color of your skin while you do something like that. Do you know what I mean? It's the action that we're not happy with. It's the action why people are not happy. And it's the fact that it does need highlighting race or not. And I did find it most interesting as well that when I looked into it, I think it was actually white men that was the, highest percentage that commit child sexual abuse. So although, obviously, we've definitely got a problem with grooming gangs, it sort of did make me think when I found them statistics that it was both the white children victims, the the survivors, and, the perpetrators, when there's been a lot of focus on this. Like, obviously, this does need focus, but it didn't it I just can't help but think there's a lot of people in high up positions.
I don't know. Do you know what I mean? That are just maybe sort of steering that, yes, there is a problem here, but is it distracting us from the highest percentage being white? So it's just something that's crossed my mind. Do you know what I mean? But, I do feel that there's certain people that are being protected, and there is definitely an infiltration into the the the very authorities that are meant to help our children.
[00:27:38] Unknown:
Yeah. And it all stems from those higher up. I I believe, like pedophilia, it's been around since the start of time. It's always been there. Yeah. But like you say, these people, these rich families as well, it doesn't matter your class, your status. You're born into it. You don't know any different. But when you look back to the whole Jimmy Savile thing, you know, I wrote to Jimmy Savile and asked him to fix it for me twice. I'm pretty glad he didn't.
[00:28:04] Unknown:
I can remember wanting to ride in because I bought a horse. I came as a kid wanting a horse. And now, you know, like, obviously, now knowing what we know, it's just, like, crazy to even think, you know, that this was someone that was
[00:28:16] Unknown:
obviously looked up to. Yeah. And you think about his friends who he went around with, and this is the problem as well, isn't it? And, like, you know, prince Andrew is constantly in the press with what he's been up to and stuff like that. And they've gotta keep it quiet, but I think that is what they like doing and especially in America. And I'm presuming you've heard of, like, Pizzagate and things like that. Now I don't know the reality of that. I'm I'm not a % sure, you know, you you can go down lots of these rabbit holes, can't you? And it's like, aren't Yeah. Items on the menu that is supposed to be a young boy, young girl, and stuff like that. But having watched horror movies over the years and things like that, I think these movies, they don't just come from ideas, do they? Lots of things
[00:29:03] Unknown:
it's like, wow. This is an idea for me. When you when you look at the, sorry. I didn't mean to talk over you, but, when you look at the Eyes Wide Shut movie, any oh, that's a very interesting movie especially after the, Diddy has come out and things like that. Yeah. And it's that sort of, to give a brief description to, these girls that have, been they go into a famous person, obviously, Diddy's, house and they're really excited and they think it's gonna be like a sort of drunken party type weekend type thing. And and it sort of as it goes on, they think they're having a good time, but one of the girls starts realizing that she's not remembering things and she's finding mud under her nails and things like this. And it it ends up all panning out that they're being drugged, and then they don't remember what's happening to them.
And knowing the story or at least the bits that were they're allowing us to listen to with the Diddy story is, is very, very, very similar and quite scarily similar, the same as the, Sound of Freedom. That's, like, so like, when I've looked into human trafficking, which is very prevalent, like, I think, Britain is one of the biggest human traffickers. I think if I wrote I wrote down as well when I was writing down about Barnardos and I just couldn't found it hard to believe. I just wanna skip forward a little bit. Bear with me.
Britain is perhaps the only country in the world to have exported vast numbers of its children. An estimated a 50,000 children were sent over a three hundred and fifty year period to god. I don't remember saying that wrong. Virginia, Australia.
[00:30:49] Unknown:
I love it. I love it. Zealand.
[00:30:51] Unknown:
Canada and what was then southern, Rhodesia, which is now Zimbabwe. And it's like when you when you look at that, it's it's it's very it's I don't know. It's it's not just in England that we're having this problem. Wales, Scotland, you know, The United Kingdom. It's not just here. This is worldwide. Everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. And this is really scary to think that, that when we're when these children are going for help, that the authorities aren't doing what they should be doing and that these cases are being missed. And that's the bit I really would like to highlight because it's the statistics are just a little smidgen of of what's really going on, and it's a lot worse than what we think, especially if you've got ninety nine percent of rapes not getting a conviction.
[00:31:41] Unknown:
It it you know what I mean? It's obviously a lot worse than what we know because the statistics will only be for how many rapes were did you go at? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it makes you think straight away, doesn't it, if something was like like, that was to happen. You think, well, actually, I'm a 1%. What's the point in me going to the police?
[00:31:56] Unknown:
Yeah. I think they used to call it I don't know if it was the dark the dark figure of crime or the I might be getting the wording wrong, but it was something that was used in criminology, and it's the statistics that aren't reported to the police. And that's this is the big bit that that they when I was given the statistics the other day and I were just sort of like, this is just a small, like, percentage of what's really going on. And when you realize the magnitude of it and that these percentages saying that majority of them I think it was something like half of child sex abusers cases, don't don't go to court. Like, half of them. Half of them don't get a conviction.
And that's well, what message is that given out to the victims and or future victims or do do you know it's it's we need to be able to have trust in the very places that are meant to help them, and they need to be able to have trust in someone if they haven't got trust at home. Do you know it's that there has to be trust somewhere because that was the number one reason. And the third reason as well was being asked. You know, when it was asking about the victims, the six six key themes, was being asked. And I thought just as simple as, you know, like, some people have maybe not reported it or maybe it's their colleague at work or, you know, and they think it's a bit suspicious or whatever and they're not they're not saying anything and it's it's things like this where there needs to be some sort of training. So the question is asked.
You know, like if you suspect something that someone will say something and there's there's not this wall of blue from the police when it's another police officer and there's not this, when it's the head teacher. Do you get what I mean? There's there's things where there's a little bit of when you work together, you form these bonds, you form these friendships, and then obviously when something terrible like this comes up, no one wants to believe it. I mean, the amount of times you'll hear that, like, oh, you'd never believed he'd do that. I don't believe he'd do that. Do you know and it it these being convicted, convicted, they've been sent to do you get what I mean? It's it's people find it sometimes hard to believe because you've got your, like, with the the 30 police pedophiles, it's you these are people that are looked up to in society.
And and do you get what I mean? So it's beyond silent. It's it's literally people don't know what's going on in the next door neighbor's house. That's do you know what I mean? It's that prevalent that it does make me worry having having children at times the more I look into it.
[00:34:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. No. It's and, you know, you said yourself that you used to work in, like, a women's refuge situation. And since we've been looking into all of this and preparing for next week, we've all been looking at various statistics and stuff like that. And there are a fair few places throughout Cornwall ref, refuge places, aren't they, supported living and shelters and stuff, which just goes to show the extreme of it. And, you know, I know people aren't helped and stuff. They have the police out. And one lady I know, they said that they were gonna fit her with an alarm, but they never did. She moved. And I mean, it was my other half that actually went around and changed the locks for her and stuff like that because she was so scared.
But no help from the police.
[00:35:04] Unknown:
I can remember, obviously, because it's quite a personal sort of experience, but, I'd been physically assaulted by my now ex, at one point. And I'd bravely because I this had happened a few times before, but I'd bravely decided to ring the police. And when I say bravely, I almost didn't. Do you know? It was because it happened, but I just I think you have to sort of, like, understand the ins and outs of domestic abuse to but anyway but so I'd rang the police and that I could not sleep. I can remember not being able to sleep all night because I was waiting for the police to come. They was coming out. They told me they were coming out. And he's like one of his, like, he, like, used threatening words so that I was expecting him to come back and things like this, so I was on edge.
He had my children. He'd taken the children with him. I'd explained this to the police. And then they I didn't sleep all night. I couldn't sleep a wink. I was just, like, literally with my phone next to me, sort of waiting for them to ring me, on edge. And then eventually, when they did turn up, I think it was about seven, eight in the morning. I remember it being light by the time they turned up, and this had happened about I'd rang them about midnight the night before, and they turned up on one of their crew. One of the first things they said to me and, like, don't get me wrong, I know the police are busy. But one of the first things they said to me, sorry, love, we've had the World Cup on. I could've just been sort of like, I have been like so scared all night.
And to to hear that Gosh. That is awful. To hear it about sort of a football game the next day was just unreal. And and like I said, it wasn't a refuge. It was a domestic abuse group on Facebook I used to run, but just hearing some of the stories that the girls had to tell me as well, very sort of similar experiences that they'd had. I mean, I can't speak for other people, but, obviously, I can tell you what I've experienced myself. Oh, that's just awful. Awful. But it's always been said, hasn't it, police don't want to get involved in domestics neither? No. No. I mean it wasn't even that long. I mean I can't remember years off the top of my head because I've not written it down and my memory's not the greatest. But it was not that many years ago that the police had, if they've got if it was domestic it was you just sort it out yourself, you know, it want it want a police job, do you know what I mean? And that's not even when you look at it, I can't remember the year exactly, but it wasn't that long ago, I can remember looking at it and thinking, Jesus, And it just even just silly little things, just like silly little things that I look into. And I found out that, the Cruelty to Animals Act, which obviously I very much agree with, was brought around before the Cruelty to Children Act.
Mean, obviously, I love my animals. Don't get me wrong. Do you know what I mean? But, yeah, they were more important. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, my gosh.
[00:37:48] Unknown:
So, presumably, I mean, this March, I I think that there's gonna be a good turnout. And I've I've been so surprised by how everybody were coming forward and wanting to help. They're so passionate about it. I think that's the thing. So many women, and I know men have as well, and children have gone through this and said nothing or felt that, you know, it's not been justified if they've searched for help. And we do need awareness about it. And it is gonna be quite an elephant in the room because the the speakers, I think they're gonna talk about things that not everybody's gonna wanna hear because they don't wanna know because they probably know someone. I mean, they they reckon that within every street, there's a pedophile.
You know, there's all these statistics and stuff. But if you can help a few people and think, oh, I've got my suspicion about that, or I need to speak up, blah, blah, blah, then it's worth it, isn't it? And I mean, ultimately, I think the plan is that there will be that many marches that it might get to parliament more, and there'll be a stronger verdict and higher success rate with these cases that come to light and stuff. But, you know, it's, good on you for doing it because, you've got everybody passionate again and got everybody looking forward to getting out and having a march and uniting and, I think these events are quite powerful moments, aren't they?
[00:39:09] Unknown:
Yeah. Definitely. I think just the the power of people coming together with the same passionate sort of cause, and all having that same mindset. There's just there is power in uniting together and that and that strength as well. And it just helps as well when you when you feel like just a little voice amongst millions of people to know that there's other million there's other little voices out there that that that feel like you do. It's it's it's the team that's working alongside us, as you know, obviously, Shailesh. Do you know what I mean? They're just amazing, passionate. They've all got their own reasons for why they've joined, and it's just been sort of amazing to work alongside,
[00:39:44] Unknown:
such a passionate team and to know that they're the same mindset. There's been no egos, has there? There's been no egos. Everyone's really genuine and, like, why should we should we do this? Should we do that? Suggestions for this and that. No. I'm I'm looking forward to it. And, big up to you for being that person. Where can people find you, Faye, if they want to find out more?
[00:40:07] Unknown:
Well, we've got our own, Facebook and x page, Million Women March Truro. We've also got a Facebook group which is just million, sorry. It's so hard to say. Million Women March. I keep saying Women Million March, but it's Million Women March. Quite come out. Yeah. And just so so people know, because, obviously, maybe not everyone that's listening to your show might be from Cornwall. If you go to the main Facebook page, which is just million women March with nothing written after it, it'll give you a list of where there's one locally to you, ones that have been set up by other organizers.
[00:40:43] Unknown:
Wonderful. Brilliant. Well, have you got anything else you'd like to add before we end?
[00:40:48] Unknown:
No. That I'm just really happy that you've had us on and to to sort of, like, been able to.
Introduction to the Million Women's March
The Rise of Child Abuse and Its Hidden Magnitude
Personal Journey and Understanding Abuse
Breaking the Silence: Multigenerational Abuse
Education and Awareness in Schools
The Cycle of Abuse and Its Perpetrators
Grooming Gangs and Institutional Failures
High-Profile Cases and Media Silence
Global Perspective on Child Trafficking
The Power of Unity and Marching for Change
