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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker Show coming live out of Radio Soapbox. Today's date is Wednesday, 24th July 2024, and we have an awesome inspirational guest this evening, Sarah Choujounian. Sarah is the co-founder of the Canadian Frontline Nurses and has been a vocal advocate against lockdowns since October 2020. She is currently under investigation with 12 allegations against her, which she is fighting in court.
Sarah shares her journey from being a nurse since 2004, working primarily in nursing homes and the community, to becoming a prominent figure speaking out against the lockdowns and health mandates during the COVID-19 pandemic. She discusses her personal health struggles, including a diagnosis of fibromyalgia, and how she overcame it through self-care, diet, and addressing unresolved trauma.
Sarah highlights the detrimental effects of lockdowns on nursing home residents, including isolation, lack of family visits, and inadequate care measures. She also talks about the formation of Nurses Against Lockdowns and Canadian Frontline Nurses, aiming to unite nurses, educate the public, and bring ethics back into healthcare.
Facing significant backlash, including being fired from her job and receiving death threats, Sarah continued her advocacy for medical freedom and informed consent. She shares her experiences of speaking at rallies, the challenges of being defamed by the media, and the ongoing legal battles she faces.
Sarah's story is one of resilience, courage, and unwavering commitment to standing in her truth. She emphasizes the importance of informed consent, ethical healthcare, and empowering individuals to take control of their health. Despite the challenges, Sarah remains dedicated to her mission and continues to fight for justice and change in the healthcare system.
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Unknown:
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker Show coming live out of Radio Soapbox dotcom. It's good to have your company. Today's date is Wednesday, 24th July 20 24, and I have an awesome inspirational guest this evening. I have Sarah. I'm I'm hoping I'm gonna pronounce your surname right. Sarah. It's Sarah Chowdounian has right. So Sarah Chowdounian, and she is the cofounder of the Canadian Frontline Nurses, and she also spoke out about the lockdowns in October 20, bringing awareness to the harms and health measures and all the mandates and all the stuff that was going on, and she also founded the nurses against lockdowns. Sarah at the moment is under investigation. There are currently 12 allegations against her, which she's fighting in court.
So she here she is. I'd like to give her a big warm welcome, and she's gonna tell us her story. Good evening, Sarah.
[00:01:58] Unknown:
Hi. Good evening. Thank you so much for having me. No. Thank you. It's
[00:02:02] Unknown:
wonderful to speak to, like, someone doing the same thing as me 4 years ago, and here you are 4 years later still going through the whole rigmarole of it all. It's crazy. So crazy times, so go for it. The stage is yours, my lovely. Tell us how all of this came about and, you know, what's going on now.
[00:02:23] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I don't know how far back you want me to go, but we'll Start at the beginning. COVID comes along, and you're working. Yes. So, I've been a nurse, since 2000 and 4, and I worked in a nursing home for the greater part of my career, but also in the community with kids through an agency. But I kinda have a story that brings me to the beginning of the pandemic, and why I right away knew that there's this is crazy. Actually, maybe I won't go go there yet. But, so when you work in a nursing home, you know the government here in Canada I don't know about in the UK, but, it's very clear that the government doesn't really care about these people.
It's all about profit, like giving them the cheapest food possible and pushing as many medications as you can. And so when the government said that they were gonna shut down the entire economy to protect these people, a huge red flag went up in my head. I actually already was looking at the medical industry like, I don't know. I'm not liking what I'm seeing because I actually started having a lot of symptoms, especially exhaustion and a lot of pain back in 2016, and a lot of other symptoms started happening. So they thought I had rheumatoid arthritis. They thought I had endometriosis. They thought that, you know, I had bladder problems. I had irritable bowel syndrome.
I was starting to lose my memory. I had difficulties swallowing. I started drooling, like, it just non stop. I felt like I had bugs crawling on my skin and, you know, they did all these tests on me and they couldn't find anything. So they were like, maybe it's all in your head. And I was like, oh my god. Like, I could hardly work. And I'm a single mom of 3. They're grown now. They're like 17, 19, and 26, but still back then. And so I really had to work. And so I started doing my own research, and I found out about fibromyalgia, which is a long term disability here in Canada.
And But I did my own research, and I found out that fibromyalgia is all about toxicity. And toxicity can be anything, you know, it can be found as anything that causes inflammation in the body, that stresses your body and gets your fight or flight going. So anything there's a lot of chemicals in our foods, in our water, in the air, obviously, medications, but also, most importantly, trapped emotions and unresolved trauma. And I had a lot of that. So that made a lot of sense to me. And so when I actually got diagnosed with fibromyalgia by the medical industry, what they do is that they give you band aid medication. So like painkillers, sleeping pills, hormones, and whatever you need for your symptoms.
And I was like, isn't that more toxicity? And what happens is that people don't know, and you really want these medications because you're really in pain and exhausted, and you can't function. And so you feel good for a little bit, but then you become tolerant, and you need a higher dose, and then you need a higher dose. And at some point, you can't get a higher dose, and I can see how it becomes a long term disability. So I didn't take that route, and I decided to start, you know, going to the root cause and looking into my trauma. And so I got help, and I went to this place called the gate house here in Toronto.
It's a safe space for adult survivors of sexual abuse. And there I found out that I was super normal for what I had gone through, and what I had put myself through. And so a lot of my shame dropped. I started accepting myself, forgiving myself for all the things I had put myself through and started, you know, with self care and loving myself. And, you know, I got sober. I lost I started going to the gym instead of drinking and smoking weed. I started eating better foods. I started taking supplements, but most and I lost £60. I was, like, in the best shape of my life. Wow. Most importantly, I started standing in my truth, and stopped people pleasing and betraying myself all the time.
And within a year, I was totally free from fibromyalgia. So I started doubting the industry before that, and had founded lighting up dark corners, because I had started facilitating I loved the gatehouse so much. I started facilitating groups there, and I started noticing that a lot of people with trauma had somatic illnesses and symptoms like fibromyalgia. And when I was telling them what I did, they were getting better too. So this was my new passion. But since I was a single mom and I was kind of comfortable with my 2 nursing jobs, it kinda took the back burner. So that's when the pandemic hit. I was in the best place of my life.
And but I was really started I really started to doubt the medical industry, and I wanted to kinda get out and do mental health my way. And so that's when the pandemic hit. So, obviously, it was a big red flag for me. I was like, what is going on? And so I was actually chief steward of the union where I worked. And so I called the union, and I was like, they're taking away all my residents rights. They're taking away all our rights. What are we gonna do about it? And the union turned around and was like, Sarah, don't you care about your residence? And that's when I knew that this was serious.
You know, I could lose my job. And I got scared as a single mom of 3 again in a lot of debt. And I, anyone that worked in a nursing home actually couldn't go work to their other jobs. So I was also losing money. So I got scared and I stayed quiet for a little bit, and I started watching my residents deteriorate. I had a resident that died of a heart attack within a week of the lockdown. So lockdowns meaning they didn't let any more family members in. And so I had a resident that, you know, when I came in the morning right away, first thing I had to do was call her daughter and and see what time exactly she was gonna come because her mom was gonna ask me every 5 minutes. And if she was a few minutes late, she would go into this anxiety, starting an anxiety attack and thinking that her daughter is dead. And this lady had heart problems.
And so she died of a heart attack within a week of the lockdowns, And I was like, oh my god. And people are like, Sarah, stop. Maybe it's coincidence. Right? And also nursing home is the last stop for these people. They've already lost them everything. The only thing they have left is their loved ones. And when their loved ones come in, you can really see them come to life. Right? And so that's what they live for. And some of our residents honestly don't eat from us. They wouldn't let us feed them. Their families would have to come in and they would eat from their family. And so what happened to these people when their families couldn't come in? Well, it's called failure to thrive. They let themselves go and they died alone.
And to make things worse, they started testing us. And in my nursing home, 3 housekeepers tested positive. Absolutely no symptoms, but because they were housekeeping, they shut down the entire facility. So now everybody had to stay in their rooms for 14 days until everyone was negative again. And you can imagine how detrimental this is to these people. And so some of them didn't wanna listen, and, you know, they didn't want to cooperate. And these people were said to have behaviors the doctor would be called and they'd be sedated. Wow.
And also, like, if a resident wouldn't listen and would wanted to walk with our walker and was becoming aggressive to go walk in the hallway, they would just take the walker away. And that's just, like, put them at risk for, you know, falls. Like, they they lost their they were losing their ability to ambulate. They were sitting alone in their room. They were at risk for falls. Like, we were going against everything we've learned. They were even with the they were telling us to wear the masks for 8 hours, one mask for 8 hours, and they were even telling us to regown. So gowns that you use in isolation that you have to take off in a certain way inside out and put in a box and never touch again. They were now telling us to hang them up and put them back on. So there was so many things that were, like, so wrong. Yeah. And at some point, like, I I just couldn't handle it anymore. And I don't and as you remember, I got better, and he started healing because I was standing in my truth.
And so here I was totally disaligned, and I felt like my silence was putting me in the, on the side of the oppressor. And so my mental health really started deteriorating. And it came to the point where I was so scared. I was waiting for another nurse to speak so I wouldn't be the first one. Right. So I wouldn't be alone. But nobody spoke. And so, I decided that I had to be I was gonna be the one. It just things happened. I was invited to speak, at a rally October 31, 2020. And so I founded nurses against lockdowns to unite nurses, educate the public, and bring the ethics back into health care. And I went to speak at this event and presented my new like, my new organization.
And so that's when the trouble started. So I was fired right away, after that, from my first job. And I don't know if you want me to continue like that. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. So I was fired from my first job. But yet so I went back to the 2nd job that I couldn't go to anymore because I was working in nursing home. And so I went through the agency, and they didn't really know what happened yet. So I was able to work at the community for a little bit. And at the same time, another nurse found me, who was organizing a rally, Kristen Nagel.
And so we came together and she, called the other nurses in the states that had speak spoken, Erin Marie and Nicole Seratek. I don't know if you all know them, but they were the first ones to speak out. And so they invited us to come speak, and do like a conference kind of like the American frontline doctors did. So we founded, 6 of us founded Global Frontline Nurses, and the plan was to have, chapter in every in every country. So first, anyways, we gathered together, and we were supposed to go speak in Florida, but I don't know if you know who Del Big Tree is. I'm sure you do.
[00:13:24] Unknown:
I don't. I'm afraid.
[00:13:27] Unknown:
That's right. So he invited us to speak in Washington instead. And so we were so excited. We didn't know it was political at all, but we ended up in Washington, g DC speaking at a health and freedom summit on January 6th 2021, when the capital was, the insurrection. Right? So we didn't know that it was gonna be any of that, but we kinda got mixed into that. And when we came back, we were defamed internationally by the media, called domestic terrorists by some. And then we were really exposed. Right? Washington Post, National Post, where we were on CP 24 every 30 minutes.
And so we got a a lot of backlash because it was early. Right? Yeah. In the pandemic. And so, we've got countless death threats, You know, I got 4 summons, that I've all dropped by now. We were put under investigation by the College of Nurses of Ontario, which, my first discipline actually, my first investigation has become a disciplinary hearing, and that's the big case that I'll come back to after that I'm going through now. But I actually have 4 other investigations against me by them after this. And so, but we didn't let that stop us. We were proud advocates for medical freedom. And during the lockdowns, we, traveled the country and went to every city, spoke and, you know, we are we're not anti vaxxers. Actually, we were portrayed as that, but we're really big on informed consent.
And the public wasn't getting informed consent. And, you know, that's really wrong. And nurses are the last line of defense between the medical industry and, the patient. And also, we learnt an ethics class that when the medical industry turns against the people, it's our jobs, our responsibility to, I quote, agitate and advocate for what is best for our communities. So I was like, we're doing exactly what we're supposed to be doing, and the college is there to protect the public, which they didn't do. And so we had to pick up and do their jobs.
But it was all about giving people informed consent, and informed consent has 5 aspects to it. You know, people have the right to know the risks, the benefits, the alternatives. Is there any alternatives? Right? We weren't let being told about any of that. How it works in the body and what it does, and then people will have the right to ask any questions they need answered and have answers to that. And, obviously, all that wasn't happening. So we went across the country and held rallies to inform people and answer their their questions and all this and show people that, hey, you know, there are nurses, that are not going with the narrative, and we were obviously very censored.
And at this point, we were, you know, nurses against lockdowns that I had founded, kind of merged into Canadian frontline nurses. And, so we went with that. We were also the organizers in September 2021 of the National Hospital protests here, in Canada, and that went very well too. So well that we were defamed again, and this time our address was leaked. You know, we there was a bounty put on our heads. And so, it it was a big deal, but they they kinda shut us down. And, and so again, obviously, other investigations came from that. But because we were being defamed so much by the Canadian Nurses Association too, we finally got lawyers that were kind of stable. It's been a long story with lawyers too. It's hard. It's hard to find lawyers that think like us. Yeah.
And that are good, and that are willing to do it. Right? And so at that point, we got the lawyers that I I'm using now. And so we went after the Canadian Nurses Association, on a defamation case. And we were also the first ones to go after the federal government for putting up the Emergencies Act, in Ottawa at the truckers' convoy. So we've done a lot of work. I should say. Right? And and then, you know, after, the hospital protest, we kind of switched to, to creating the new health care paradigm that, I had envisioned as nurses against lockdown. So it was all about bringing care back in the community from birth to death, but also really by empowering people because the medical industry calls us patient, and I don't I don't really like that word. When you're a patient, you're a victim, and it means that you need something from the outside to come and save you. It's very disempowering, and it tells us teaches us that our bodies are flawed.
And, you know, as I healed from fibromyalgia and started looking and meeting so many people that had healed themselves from cancer and anything that you can think of, You know, I really started, doubting the medical industry even more. Right? And so, we wanted to empower people and let them know that, you know, when people are ready to heal, they are active participants in their care and we were there to help and educate them, to do just that. And we were doing that, by we had a directory of nurses that spoke like, that thought like us, some still with their license, some doing something new like me. I create my created my own programs for mental health to help people stand in their truth because as I saw when I spoke out, we have a lack of leaders.
And it's really because people are like, well, what's different with you than other people? What made you speak out? And I really, it's because I've done the work, and I'm kinda reconnected to myself. You know, to me, trauma is anything that disconnects you. And our system and society and culture does everything to disconnect us over and over and over again. And that's why people can't stand in their power. We don't even know who we are anymore. Right? So I created programs like the ones I did to help people, you know, reconnect to their true selves and stand in in their truth. And so yeah. So there was, like, people that were doing their own thing, and there was even people that were creating teams. But unfortunately, the defamation case was turned on us, and we had no way of losing this case.
And so this is when my lawyers really found out that even the judicial system was really messed up at this point. And so they turned it around on us, and we had to pay 315,000. And there was 2 other ladies name my name and 2 other ladies, the co founder and another nurse practitioner, that was, head the head of Canadian front line nurses with us. And the thing is that because Canadian front line nurses didn't have the money, they can come down to our accounts. And that created a big mess because some of us like me had I had to sell my house. I knew I had to sell my house right when I spoke out. I didn't even have money then. Oh, wow.
Right? So I sold my house and took my money out and I wasn't gonna pay. I I couldn't. And so it created a lot of frictions and stuff and, you know, and and and scared people. And so Canadian frontline nurses kind of, I would say, collapsed. I'm now the only owner left, and I'm keeping it open for accounting and legal purposes. But honestly, I'm starting to think that, you know, maybe it's become like this because I was really the one with the vision of the new health care paradigms. You know, others were really great. They wanted to advocate and things like that, but maybe not, like, devote themselves to creating a new health care paradigm. So I'm thinking, you know, I'm fighting for my license right now in court, which I'll get to that.
Am I gonna let you talk? I'm not sure. I don't need to.
[00:21:41] Unknown:
Yeah. Is it no. It's wonderful. It's lovely to listen to, and I'm already thinking those other two ladies, they probably were just as passionate, but wanted to keep their home, Sarah. Yes. Absolutely.
[00:21:51] Unknown:
And it's oh my god. And I How brave.
[00:21:54] Unknown:
You were passionate for sure.
[00:21:57] Unknown:
Oh, yes. And I'm yes. And but but and and I understand. I'm not in the same position, and I I I also have a lot of trauma that I've worked on, and I've also lived through a lot of difficult things and know that I can rebuild myself. And I don't have a husband to tell me also that I have to, like, depend on his decision too. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So it was a different situation. I'm at like, the other two nurses are amazing. But they they did their part. And then it's it's enough. Like, then we wanna get back to our lives. Right? So yeah. So that's what happened with that.
Oh, I forget where I was. And so anyway, so that kinda collapsed. And I started working with my lighting up their corners, which is my fact, the the the what I founded for the mental health. And it's all about empowering people with the tools and knowledge they need to start their healing journey. Right? Because our healing journey is for the rest of our lives. But my mind, and my spirit is still with the nursing stuff. And so, also, what's happening now is that so my disciplinary hearing, started. So I'm actually the example here in Canada, you know, because I was the first one the first active nurse to speak out at a rally and founded nurses against lockdown that kind of became Canadian frontline nurses.
They see me as, like, the headmaster, and they wanna bring me down, and they want everybody to see, like, we brought her down. Yeah. They need to make an example of you. Yeah. Exactly. And so, so they've 1 my first investigation is now has now become a disciplinary hearing, and it's 12 allegations, you know, against me from 2020 and beginning of 2021. And this court case, this hearing started March 2023. We're on day 22. It's been crazy. It was supposed to be 7 days, our experts against theirs. Quite straightforward, but it's been very difficult that that it's very corrupted. They've hardly qualified. My expert, I have, like, the top top experts of the country.
I don't know if you, you know, you're not from in Canada, so maybe you don't know. But doctor Byron Bridle, who was one of the, professors who has to know, making the COVID vaccine. So they've only qualified him for 2 of the 12 allegations a month, and the same with the other, expert. And so we're having a lot of difficulty bringing the evidence in. And what what is really important about this case is that it has precedence in Canada. So for freedom of speech in nursing. So the pressure is on because, you know, if if I lose this case, I'd say I, but it's really we.
If we lose this case, we won't be able to be the last line of defense, for our patients, and we won't be able to get informed consent because we're not allowed to give all the information. So it's a really big deal. We saw the consequences of that during COVID. But if I win, then it opens up and all there's a lot of nurses waiting with their investigations after me, and all those would, probably unblock. So that would be nice to see. So, yeah, so that's really what's happening right now. I've been on the stand after 20 days in court. Nobody had heard anything about me.
And so I had 2 days in on the stand now, and it was pretty amazing because what they did is that they and I have to say, all 12 allegations against me are now known to be true, but the college keeps saying I had no way of knowing when I said it in 2020. So, really, it's not about, like, helping the people. It's about me going against them. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Because when we spoke out when I spoke out in at the end of October, December 16, 2020, they put out a statement because of us, me, and the other nurse that was speaking.
There was the few other nurses. Right? And so they said that we weren't allowed to speak against, any of the public health measures. Obviously, we totally didn't listen to that. But ironically, they send me the 12 allegations, and then they followed it by the code of conduct and stat, the professional standards, which is exactly what I did. I was like, this is so much gaslighting. And honestly, I was married to a very abusive guy, and I left him with my 3 kids when I was 28. And he brought me to court and I went through that. And I don't think anyone wins when families are broken, honestly. But I came out, you know, untouched on the other side. And he had to pay spousal support and ran away to Nigeria where he came from.
And so I never had to deal. I don't really have to deal with him anymore, which is a great thing. And that experience actually really empowered me because he had threatened me to death. And I still did what I felt like I had to do. Like, I still left, and what as he dragged me through the courts, I still went through it. And I, I I won. I hate saying I won, but that gave me a that it was very empowering for me. And I started, taking a lot of leadership positions and things like that. Right? And so that made me so much stronger. So, yeah. I don't know why I went from being on this stand to that.
[00:27:37] Unknown:
No. No. You're I think it's amazing because the amount of use amount of stuff that you learn on the way, I mean, I wasn't facing charges like you because I left. I didn't give them the chance to face a disciplinarian, a disciplinary, sorry.
[00:27:53] Unknown:
Well, the funny thing is that they would still come after me. Kristen, who was the other cofounder, resigned over a year ago, maybe, like, maybe almost 2 years ago, but they're still gonna go after her, after my case.
[00:28:09] Unknown:
I just think that's crazy, but then the way the world is. It is crazy. Especially if all of those counts, like you say, they're true now, but at the time, because you didn't because nobody knew it. So if you was to go out there now and say all of that, that would be fine. But
[00:28:27] Unknown:
I don't even know if that would be fine. Like, they don't want their nurses to speak about anything. Like, they've changed the code of conduct. Right. Oh, yeah. Oh, of course. They've said in. Yeah. Just talking about. Yeah. So it was really nice because the on my first day on the stand, I got to say my story and how, you know, it it when I say my story and how things happen, it really puts things into perspective for people because, you know, they're trying to make you trying to make me look really crazy. But then we I got to go through the code of conduct through all 6 principles who have like 6, statements under each and show them how I with examples, how I did exactly that and they didn't.
So it went really, really well. And then on the second day, which was, Monday, I got to go through 7 of the allegations and why I posted them, what research I had done, how did I know. Right? Even though, you know, we are doing all this, the college still thinks that this is a misinformation case. But really, to my lawyers and I, this is a freedom of speech case. And when we we don't expect to win at this level because it's really the panel consists of 3 registered nurses and a public main member appointed by the registered nurses and a public member appointed by the government. And these are the people that are supposed to decide my faith and that decided that my experts weren't to be qualified.
So it's it's crazy. Right? And so we're definitely, not really expecting on winning at this stage, but we will appeal it and take it further up.
[00:30:04] Unknown:
Right. Because I heard in one of your interviews that I was listening to that one of your, what would you call it? One of your experts had to undergo 2 days just to kind of prove they were an expert before the court would accept them. Have I got that right? Yes. It was actually
[00:30:23] Unknown:
it was it was 3 days, but, like, parts of the first day and parts of the second. So so let's say 2 days. And in the end, they didn't qualify him. Well, they qualified him for 1 and a half of the four things, they were supposed to qualify him for. So, yeah, really ridiculous. And they spent 20 days. And now that I'm on the stand, they're trying to rush me along. Like, they're like, this should be over. And it's like, oh my god. It's so crazy.
[00:30:52] Unknown:
Yeah. But good for you. Good for you. And it is all about setting a presidency and, presidency, president. You know? I went to court with Lance Murdoch facing a £10,000 fine for holding a rally in lockdown. And one of the reasons I mean, we had a really, really good barrister, and we set the precedent. We were the first people to go to court and we managed to walk away with no charges. They couldn't make it work. You know?
[00:31:23] Unknown:
That's amazing. Yeah. That's like the 4 summons I had were exactly that, and they had to drop them. But now some of them and and I thought they were dropping all of them, but we're seeing now that for some people, some cities, it's not being dropped, which is kinda crazy.
[00:31:40] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you've got so many states in America, haven't you? And I suppose each one's got their set of rules.
[00:31:47] Unknown:
Oh, yes. And I'm in Canada. Right. So but each province has their own rules. That's right. But So what sort of things was you posting, Sarah? You know What disinformation
[00:31:59] Unknown:
was you sharing?
[00:32:01] Unknown:
Well, you know, take vitamin d. It's good for your immune system. Oh, woofoo. You know, I literally posted other doctors like doctor, Lee Merritt. I don't know if you know her, but she was the president of the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons. And she was speaking out and getting sensors, so I shared her her statements and in there, they they take, like, statements that they have against me, like, the 12 allegations. So she was saying that, hydroxychloroquine, Iver like, there's an alternative, like, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, vitamin d. So they're getting me on that.
I I said that, cardiovascular disease is a lot worse than COVID. You know? And I went on statistic Canada. Like, literally, there's 4 times more cardiovascular death at any given time of any year than COVID. And I'm like, the McDonald's and everything stayed open and the gyms were closed. Like, this makes no sense. I said that the vaccines were not safe and effective. They weren't even out yet when I said it. And so they're getting me for that. We know very well now that they're not. I did a speech. The my fur in my first speech, I said that masks were detrimental to any anyone, unsafe for anyone, but that they were even more so detrimental to kids that had a developing brain, because of the decrease in oxygen. So they got me for that.
I posted a video of a doctor who was one of the, makers of the of the test who was saying that the pandemic was a hoax. And so they're coming after me for saying that the whole pandemic is a hoax. Like, all things like this. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
[00:33:50] Unknown:
It's pretty much I'm totally with you. I totally get it. Yeah. I mean, it was pretty crazy times, wasn't it? Because I was obviously sharing a lot of stuff as well when other nurses that I were working with thought that I was crazy and would leave comments like, you won't be saying that when you're on a ventilator and stuff like that. You come and work in a COVID ward. I was like, yes, I will. I will.
[00:34:12] Unknown:
Right? And me too. Like, bring it on. Yes. Absolutely. It's it's been just insane. Upside down the world.
[00:34:25] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. And I mean, I've I speak to so many people lately, and, I mean, I was poorly, and it was a it was a flu virus. Of course, it was a flu virus, and it was something like I've never experienced before in my life. But we also know it was, you know, in in the UK, in the first lockdown, there were hardly any cases. It was the 2nd supposed wave that we started seeing a little bit more, but at the same time, it was flu season. Of course, all the deaths were combined as flu. They were yeah. All of the COVID deaths were combined as the same thing as flu, so it all kind of fitted quite well, really, didn't it?
[00:35:04] Unknown:
It really did. And I don't know how, I don't remember in the UK, but here they were telling people like, stop all your treatments. Don't take puffers. Don't take anything for fever. And they weren't doing anything until people were, like, really, really sick. And then they would put them on ventilators and would disappear. And it was just like a mess. There was no, like, preventative care. No. Like, it was all fear based. We know fear causes, like, immunity decreases your immune system. Like, isolation is not good for us. Like all these honestly, all the measures were like super harmful.
Was it like that in the UK too? Yeah. Yeah. All of the everything
[00:35:47] Unknown:
was in threes, the wearer masks stand 3 meters apart. It does seem so surreal, doesn't it? Like 4 years ago. And to think that, you know, we would go in a shop and, the barber wouldn't cut my son's hair because neither of us were wearing masks. And I didn't wear a mask once out shopping. And I would be that person, you know, when you'd see people struggling, I'd be like, just take it off, and I would try and do a bit of a chat, you know, try and explain a few things. But I think the worst part for me was when I was still working at the hospitals because I didn't speak out till the start of the second wave, but I could see it all going on, and, you know, I'm I think lots of people must have done really. I know people say, like, well, I think of all the hospitals that I worked in over 3, I was the only one that spoke out. There must have been so many people that were living it and seeing it and think something's amiss here because nothing's tallying up. I mean, in the UK, the hospital where I was working in Cornwall, the turn the radio off because at the start, I was petrified. I was thinking, oh my goodness, and my other half said you don't have to go to work, and I'm like, no. You know, this is my calling. This is what I do.
Yes. Working in those, and it really hit home when, the second wave came along, and they were expecting us, and it was really hot as well when like, it is in hospitals, like, like, to wear gloves and fast face mask and aprons all night. Yeah. Constantly have them on, but when you're seeing people that have got breathing problems being wheeled down into a ward with a mask on. Yes. That really hurt. That dude is like, this is just getting crazy.
[00:37:30] Unknown:
Yes. And there was, like, no exceptions and people were being shamed for, like, not being able to breathe and not wanting to mask. Like, it was awful.
[00:37:39] Unknown:
I had a little operation, and I've got, like, a bent finger now because I had to do, like, physiotherapy via Zoom, which works really well. Not. But, I had to go to hospital to have an operation, and, of course, I wouldn't wear a mask, but they put me in a side room, and I was escorted to the theater and stuff. And but when I came around, I had a mask on my face, and the first thing I did was pull it off. Oh. But even without your consent, you know, it's, yeah, terrible times. Terrible times.
[00:38:11] Unknown:
Yeah. They they really I mean, I I I see I started seeing that the first question wasn't what it was. Like, we're their nurses. We're there to help people. We love people. We don't realize how messed up the medical industry is because we're so programmed to see how good it is.
[00:38:32] Unknown:
Right? So And that's it. Yeah. And I know I mentioned briefly before we started, you know, my my only hoo where I work at the moment is when they come out with the COVID jabs. I just tend to disappear. Right. You know, as like you say, when you're a nurse, your, protocol, so to speak, is you will do no harm, and they must know when I they I've seen before, like, 2 people have seizures within 24 hours of having the jab. Well, that's not coincidence. And how can you be a nurse and just administer that and not ask any questions?
[00:39:07] Unknown:
It's crazy. Like it turns us against the exact mission that we have. It's just insane. Actually, one of the allegations that I have is when I wrote a post saying that, you know, we took a note. It's really a pledge, but whatever. We took a note to do no harm, you know, like recommending, an unsafe and ineffective, vaccine is a is a crime against humanity. So that's basically, that's an allegation against me because I wrote that.
[00:39:42] Unknown:
Yeah. A bit of truth.
[00:39:45] Unknown:
Right? I'm like, okay. I'm gonna throw the Nuremberg code at them. Yes. Yes. It's just insane. But I and to me, it's like there's no way they didn't know. Like, they knew. They like, this is evil. You know, the the the lawyer representing the CNL, like, so evil. They're they're being so unfair. They're just trying to win at like, there's no morals or ethics in this. It's so sad.
[00:40:15] Unknown:
No. It's what's politically correct, isn't it? Speaking to a manager the other politically correct, isn't it? Speaking to a manager the other day, somebody I know, and she was telling me that about the other cures for, like, dementia and stuff like that that. And I thought, it must be really hard doing your job and not ever being able to say, oh, you know, what about this? What about that? And I believe in the end, that's what stopped me going into nursing because just before, it all hit, I was doing my dream job at the hospital when it was my dream job. I absolutely loved it. And but after that, there's too much red tape for me because I can't help it. I've experienced things. I've seen things. I would be that person like in the cancer wards, and, you know, people are bringing their family, like, all these cakes and everything to, like, boost them and everything, and I'd be like, well, sugar's not really the best thing.
Yeah. Have you watched this video? And it's in the end, it was like, oh god. Be quiet. You're gonna get into trouble.
[00:41:10] Unknown:
Isn't it crazy, though? Like, we can't even really do our jobs. It's like No. No.
[00:41:15] Unknown:
You gotta be so careful what you say. And even now I've I've all I'm always, like, cautious because people are listening and they like to report you if you've said something because you're an advocate for for these people. Yeah. And I think, but I'm not a nurse, so therefore I should shut up. So I I do tend to walk away a bit more now, unless it's something really serious. But, yeah, some of them have said, like, who does Shelley think? She is a doctor.
[00:41:42] Unknown:
Yeah. And it's like, we really honestly, it's not because I'm a nurse that I knew everything.
[00:41:49] Unknown:
No, you don't have to be a nurse to research stuff. Do you? Right. Exactly. But lots of people are like, oh, you're not a nurse. Yeah. You haven't got that certificate even if you've spent hours looking into things, which I'm sure you did like I did. I mean, I used to spend every evening researching all of this stuff. Yeah. That's crazy. Obsessively. Obsessively. Yeah. It it was a mission every evening. That's what I did.
[00:42:15] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:42:16] Unknown:
And I was just like you, you know, in in between jobs, and you're kinda thinking, I hope they don't recognize me, and do they know who I am? So so you're not you're not concerned, I presume, obviously, if you lose your pen now, if you're not gonna go back to nursing.
[00:42:33] Unknown:
Well, the the whole 3 years, it was like, no. I'm, it's funny. I kind of changed, like, within the last month. It was yeah. I don't want my license. I'm doing my own thing. Right? I have lighting up their corners, and I love that. That's my passion. That's my purpose. Like, I transcend that transcended my pain into wisdom, And I really wanna show other people how to stand in their truth and in their power because that's how we get out of this. Right? But, you know, as Canadian frontline nurses shut down, and I had a lot of time to think because when I was, like, running, Canadian frontline nurses, it was nonstop speaking everywhere, meetings, building. You know, it was always nonstop. And when I stopped and, like, lately, you know, I had to grieve.
I didn't have time to do all that. Right? And I realized, like, I loved being a nurse. Like, how dare they take away this from me? But I was I was going and just until if, like, maybe 6 weeks ago, I was gonna resign, but I was still gonna keep doing my hearing. It still goes on, and I'm doing it because it's the right thing to do. And I feel like somebody should hold them accountable. And, you know, I'm doing this for all the nurses behind me because as you said, like, there was other nurses that weren't speaking. Like, I I managed the social media with nurses against lockdowns and Canadian frontline nurses. And I could tell you, I got messages from 1,000 upon 1,000 of nurses, especially when the mandates came out because they didn't know what to do.
So, again, where was I going with this?
[00:44:18] Unknown:
Oh, I don't know. It's alright. It's great conversation anyway. Yep. Nursing. You're nursing.
[00:44:25] Unknown:
Yes. So so, you know, I I they wanna revoke my and I was like, they can go ahead. I don't care. And and but and they want me to pay their costs. So we're at 22 days. You know, I know a chiropractor that lost to the same lawyer after 29 days and had to pay 800,000.
[00:44:45] Unknown:
So they expect me to to pay their Where are you gonna magic that up from, Sarah?
[00:44:50] Unknown:
You know, I really don't wanna say, but I don't have it. So what I mean, it's it's just, like, whatever. I've I've I'm very detached now from these shackles of, like, shackles of, like, mindset of money and stuff. And I I believe in myself. I can rebuild myself. But but I I've changed I've kinda changed my mind because of the event because I'm like, oh, maybe there's a reason why Canadian frontline nurses came back to me. And, you know, maybe it just needs, like, some some time. I just needed some time. And then once I win this case, I still wanna create the new health care paradigm.
And so maybe that's what's gonna happen. And so, no, I'm not I I was going to resign my license and still go on with the hearing, but I've decided like no. Let them take it away from me and you know at some point there if justice gets you know, if I do lose it, because I'm starting to think I'm gonna win. I I I manifest it. Right? I I feel it. Like, I'm embodying it. And then I'm gonna go after them. And then I'm gonna reopen Canadian frontline nurses and do what I have to do and get people to, like, get healthy without them. So that Oh, I love it. You're so passionate. That's my new thing.
But yeah. And, again, if if if they do take away my license, that was a mindset I was in for the whole last 4 years. So, you know, it's fine. I'm gonna do something else. I definitely don't wanna work in that system. No. But I love the advocating, nursing advocating because they were see, my license is suspended now because it said I haven't worked in the last 3 years. And I was thinking, like, I've never worked more as a nurse than in the last 3 years. Like, I've been a real advocate, like a leader. This is like I feel like and and I love that, and I don't wanna stop doing
[00:46:52] Unknown:
that. No. Good. Good. And I think it does lead you onto other things. Like you said earlier about the the grieving process, you know, when I did what I did, I was gutted. I was terribly depressed because I loved my job so much. I'd only been doing it for 18 months, and I'd felt like I'd been wanting my whole life to work in a hospital. But I always thought I had to be a nurse or something, but actually I was just a HCA.
[00:47:15] Unknown:
I don't say just because I know they work bloody hard. Yeah. But I I was a I think HCA is the same thing as personal support worker here, and I did that before Right. Nursing. Yeah. So you do a lot of work.
[00:47:27] Unknown:
Yeah. And, I I was doing what I wanted to do, and I loved learning all the bits and bobs. And, I mean, to be fair, I was probably doing some of the jobs that the nurses do, which is quite often the way in the hospitals, and you've got the nurses doing the jobs of junior doctors because there's never enough staff, but, no, I just loved it, and I did grieve it for a long time. And then trying to get another job, it was like, well, they're not gonna give me a reference. And how can I prove that I've been working? Oh, anyway. And I was a bit like you. I was like manifesting. I managed. I built up an overdraft. I lived, but I sold stuff on Ebay.
And, you know, the world works in mysterious ways, doesn't it? Yes. Absolutely.
[00:48:07] Unknown:
Absolutely. I believe in abundance. As long as you're aligned and keep doing the right thing, we should be okay.
[00:48:13] Unknown:
Definitely. And, you know, if the worst case scenario of you get have to pay £800,000,
[00:48:20] Unknown:
well, where are they gonna get it from? You know, I was thinking that. I've been ready for that, and that's another thing. They they they know I didn't pay the Canadian nurses association, so I think they they they're kinda getting worried about how they're gonna get their money.
[00:48:36] Unknown:
Yeah. A pound a month or a dollar a month in your case. Because I thought that if I was charged with £10,000, I was like, well, they'll get a pound a month.
[00:48:46] Unknown:
And they and I heard they can only come after you for 6 years. So
[00:48:51] Unknown:
Right. I don't know what it's like over there. Yeah. But if you haven't got it, you haven't got it. Have you? No.
[00:48:57] Unknown:
Like, it is what it is. Yeah. I'm a candidate for this situation.
[00:49:03] Unknown:
Well, it's good that you've got the mindset that you've got. And I I think you're right because the problem is with nursing, where you're heading now, you're heading in that more holistic approach of wanting to cure the not the simp yeah. Cure the symptoms, get to the root cause rather than just throw in medications Yes. At the symptoms and never getting anywhere.
[00:49:24] Unknown:
Exactly. Actually, getting people maybe in the opposite direction. It's more harmful, and it might help what they have in the moment, but it's affecting you somewhere else, and we'll come back with a revenge. We have to be careful of putting all these synthetic and chemicals into our bodies. It's coming from every side and everywhere, and we're very, like there's we have a lot of detoxing to do, everybody.
[00:49:51] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I I mean, I'm just going through the whole, you know, trying to change my diet, introduce raw foods and things like that. I feel like I'm on it at the moment. Yeah. No processed foods. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm never gonna be perfect. I'm gonna have the old processed dinner and stuff like that. But it's about taking control and realizing what you're eating, what you're drinking, and blah blah blah.
[00:50:14] Unknown:
Exactly. It's awareness. It's all about awareness. You know? We're so disconnected. Nobody's really aware of what's going on inside their bodies, what they need. Right? When you start being aware and paying attention, you really realize, oh, when I eat this, I don't feel that great. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just
[00:50:35] Unknown:
So so where are you up to now with your court case? How much longer do you think you've got left?
[00:50:42] Unknown:
So this is, like, the tough part for me. And, so I have I'm I'm back on the stand August 2nd 7th, and that's probably gonna be cross examination. This is actually a public hearing, and people can actually email and and and ask for the links. I'm I'm not sure from the UK, but I was never told anything else. And then it's going to be the well, we don't know yet because there's we put in a motion to get another expert to just read the evidence that they haven't let us bring in so that we can use them in court. And so we're trying to get that in and doing everything possible to get just an expert to, like, just read them in and say, I read this article. It's peer reviewed, and then we can put it as evidence.
But we're not sure if they're gonna let us do that motion, and if they don't, that's fine. We can show, the courts that we did everything we can. Right? So I'm not sure if it's going to finish after I'm on the stand. It's gonna be closing arguments. And the last day was supposed to be the 16th August, but we do have 3 more days booked in case, which I don't really remember what they are. And then it's going to be appeal. And so, you know, I have a little bit over $100,000 in lawyer fees outstanding for this case. And so obviously I'm continuously trying to fundraise and collect donations and and things like that. And I tell people like, it's not really donations. It's an investment
[00:52:25] Unknown:
help. And we crowdfunded over £3,000 to pay for our court fees. We couldn't have done that. It was like we either accept the ticket and pay it, or we take it to court. But people were so on our side and supportive, and we raised the money pretty easily. I mean, I know you're asking for a lot more, but, Sarah's I I will put in the link, after this is all edited, your, give send go page, and if anybody out there would give a donation, you know, it doesn't matter how big if everybody just gave a dollar, it would be something, wouldn't it? It all adds up.
[00:53:01] Unknown:
Exactly. Absolutely. And, like, people have been very generous. To be honest, like in the last year with Canadian frontline nurses and myself, we raised a 125,000.
[00:53:11] Unknown:
Wow.
[00:53:13] Unknown:
We have a lot of support. Now that I've that we've kind of shut down, I have to shut down the social medias too because I'm trying to build my business lighting up dark corners. You can check me out at lighting up dark corners.com. And I run free workshops actually to help people stand in their truth, where I teach people about trauma, how we all have it to a certain extent and how it works, how to manage our triggers, how to reconnect to our true self, and how to put up healthy boundaries, and it's free. And it's a preview to my program. So if people are interested, they can, check me out at lighting up dark corners, dot com.
But yeah. And and I'm very also very focused on this stuff, obviously, the court stuff.
[00:53:58] Unknown:
Yes. I bet you've learned. I bet you could always be a a judge after this, couldn't you? Or a solicitor you're a lawyer.
[00:54:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Right? Yes. And I'm so grateful for my lawyers because they're really amazing. Like, that that 100,000 doesn't even come close to what the work they've done. And we do have an outstanding half a million, from Canadian frontline nurses for them, for the work they've done, and that's on a discount. And, you know, they kinda know that they might never get this money. But as long as I'm trying as hard as I can to fundraise,
[00:54:33] Unknown:
they've got my back. So I'm very grateful for them. Isn't it awful that it comes to that, though, that you can't you know, so many people, they've got their rights, and they shouldn't have the the wrong doings of the legal system put to them, but they just haven't got the money to finance to fight it. It's just crazy.
[00:54:51] Unknown:
That's the thing, and that's how they get us. Right? They're very angry. They they're like, how did this single mother get this far?
[00:54:58] Unknown:
Damn this woman. She's broke.
[00:55:01] Unknown:
I'm like, I'm coming.
[00:55:04] Unknown:
It's not over. When I win, I'm going after them. Yeah. Yeah. So they're probably really scared. Well, they should be. I'm just looking at your, go send, sorry, give send go page and somebody, I'll just read this quickly. Sarah, you are the most determined, courageous, strongest, bravest, bad woman I know. I admire your authenticity and love your heart. You make the world a better place to live, and you inspire me. Thank you. Aww. So supportive. So supportive. Yeah. Yeah. Because there must have been so many people that wanted to speak out, but they just haven't got the courage.
Or they feel that they've got too much to lose, you know, regarding the whole COVID vaccines. The amount of people I I mean, a lot of people, a good lot of people did walk out from their jobs. They weren't going to comply, but then you've got other people, like, well, I've got a mortgage to pay, blah blah blah. You know, they really had people.
[00:55:57] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. It's it was so much coercion, which is exactly what the code of conduct says that we can't do to get things out of people.
[00:56:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah.
[00:56:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Ironically.
[00:56:09] Unknown:
Well, we've got a couple of minutes left to round up, Sarah. Is there anything you would like to add?
[00:56:16] Unknown:
Well, I just wanna to tell people, if you're listening to this and you see what's happening, then, you know, I strongly believe that you are one of the pioneers that will be creating Yeah. The new world that we wanna see. And I always tell people don't let hate and fear take over our humanity. Spread love and don't be silent when you see oppression, you know, together. That's how we're gonna get through this. Together, there's not nothing that we can't achieve and so we need to unite and not divide divide. Because I'm seeing it a lot. They they throw things and and we just divide, divide, divide. When I, first started speaking out and we were growing quite big. I mean, within a few months, I had a 20,000 people following me on Instagram and 30,000 on Facebook. Like, people wanted to see this, but we were so censored.
Great. I lost it again. I lost it again. I don't know why because I'm trying to close it up. No. No. That's fine. That's fine.
[00:57:20] Unknown:
Yeah. You're you're working your ass off, basically. And when she says bravest bad women, I wanna say bravest bad ass women. Yeah. You go for it, girl. And I will be keeping a close eye on what's going on and, yeah, manifesting it for you as I'm sure lots of others will.
[00:57:38] Unknown:
Yes. Thank you so much. I so appreciate this.
[00:57:41] Unknown:
No. Thank you. What a guest. What a guest. It's so lovely to speak to somebody. I don't know if I said in the show or what. You know, you messaged me 4 years ago when I did what I did, and I never replied because at the same time as you, you get thousands of messages.
[00:57:55] Unknown:
Yes. Exactly.
[00:57:57] Unknown:
I can't even remember reading it. And then when I went to send you a message, you'd messaged me 4 years ago, and I was like, oh, wow. So I knew it was gonna be great.
[00:58:06] Unknown:
Yes. It's so amazing. I'm so glad to connect, and please reach out anytime. Bless you. Thank you very much. Well, thank you so much, Sarah.
[00:58:14] Unknown:
And, I will get this uploaded and send you the link, my lovely, and keep up the awesome work. Thank you. Love and light. Yes. You too. Take care, my lovely. Bye. Wow. That was awesome. What a great speaker as well. And I have finished on time tonight for once. I wanted to be organised to play my, last, well, my outro music. I've not managed to do it the last few weeks because, I've had great guests, and I just haven't timed it right. Anyway, things are on the change. So that yeah. So that was Sarah Charles Union from Canada, the cofounder of Canadian frontline nurses, and the the first nurse over there to speak out. Again, it's lockdowns.
What a case she's got lying ahead of her. So we wish her all the luck. I will put details. Perhaps she might donate. Be greatly appreciated. Anyway, I'll be back same time next week. Have an awesome, awesome week, people.
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker Show coming live out of Radio Soapbox dotcom. It's good to have your company. Today's date is Wednesday, 24th July 20 24, and I have an awesome inspirational guest this evening. I have Sarah. I'm I'm hoping I'm gonna pronounce your surname right. Sarah. It's Sarah Chowdounian has right. So Sarah Chowdounian, and she is the cofounder of the Canadian Frontline Nurses, and she also spoke out about the lockdowns in October 20, bringing awareness to the harms and health measures and all the mandates and all the stuff that was going on, and she also founded the nurses against lockdowns. Sarah at the moment is under investigation. There are currently 12 allegations against her, which she's fighting in court.
So she here she is. I'd like to give her a big warm welcome, and she's gonna tell us her story. Good evening, Sarah.
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Hi. Good evening. Thank you so much for having me. No. Thank you. It's
[00:02:02] Unknown:
wonderful to speak to, like, someone doing the same thing as me 4 years ago, and here you are 4 years later still going through the whole rigmarole of it all. It's crazy. So crazy times, so go for it. The stage is yours, my lovely. Tell us how all of this came about and, you know, what's going on now.
[00:02:23] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I don't know how far back you want me to go, but we'll Start at the beginning. COVID comes along, and you're working. Yes. So, I've been a nurse, since 2000 and 4, and I worked in a nursing home for the greater part of my career, but also in the community with kids through an agency. But I kinda have a story that brings me to the beginning of the pandemic, and why I right away knew that there's this is crazy. Actually, maybe I won't go go there yet. But, so when you work in a nursing home, you know the government here in Canada I don't know about in the UK, but, it's very clear that the government doesn't really care about these people.
It's all about profit, like giving them the cheapest food possible and pushing as many medications as you can. And so when the government said that they were gonna shut down the entire economy to protect these people, a huge red flag went up in my head. I actually already was looking at the medical industry like, I don't know. I'm not liking what I'm seeing because I actually started having a lot of symptoms, especially exhaustion and a lot of pain back in 2016, and a lot of other symptoms started happening. So they thought I had rheumatoid arthritis. They thought I had endometriosis. They thought that, you know, I had bladder problems. I had irritable bowel syndrome.
I was starting to lose my memory. I had difficulties swallowing. I started drooling, like, it just non stop. I felt like I had bugs crawling on my skin and, you know, they did all these tests on me and they couldn't find anything. So they were like, maybe it's all in your head. And I was like, oh my god. Like, I could hardly work. And I'm a single mom of 3. They're grown now. They're like 17, 19, and 26, but still back then. And so I really had to work. And so I started doing my own research, and I found out about fibromyalgia, which is a long term disability here in Canada.
And But I did my own research, and I found out that fibromyalgia is all about toxicity. And toxicity can be anything, you know, it can be found as anything that causes inflammation in the body, that stresses your body and gets your fight or flight going. So anything there's a lot of chemicals in our foods, in our water, in the air, obviously, medications, but also, most importantly, trapped emotions and unresolved trauma. And I had a lot of that. So that made a lot of sense to me. And so when I actually got diagnosed with fibromyalgia by the medical industry, what they do is that they give you band aid medication. So like painkillers, sleeping pills, hormones, and whatever you need for your symptoms.
And I was like, isn't that more toxicity? And what happens is that people don't know, and you really want these medications because you're really in pain and exhausted, and you can't function. And so you feel good for a little bit, but then you become tolerant, and you need a higher dose, and then you need a higher dose. And at some point, you can't get a higher dose, and I can see how it becomes a long term disability. So I didn't take that route, and I decided to start, you know, going to the root cause and looking into my trauma. And so I got help, and I went to this place called the gate house here in Toronto.
It's a safe space for adult survivors of sexual abuse. And there I found out that I was super normal for what I had gone through, and what I had put myself through. And so a lot of my shame dropped. I started accepting myself, forgiving myself for all the things I had put myself through and started, you know, with self care and loving myself. And, you know, I got sober. I lost I started going to the gym instead of drinking and smoking weed. I started eating better foods. I started taking supplements, but most and I lost £60. I was, like, in the best shape of my life. Wow. Most importantly, I started standing in my truth, and stopped people pleasing and betraying myself all the time.
And within a year, I was totally free from fibromyalgia. So I started doubting the industry before that, and had founded lighting up dark corners, because I had started facilitating I loved the gatehouse so much. I started facilitating groups there, and I started noticing that a lot of people with trauma had somatic illnesses and symptoms like fibromyalgia. And when I was telling them what I did, they were getting better too. So this was my new passion. But since I was a single mom and I was kind of comfortable with my 2 nursing jobs, it kinda took the back burner. So that's when the pandemic hit. I was in the best place of my life.
And but I was really started I really started to doubt the medical industry, and I wanted to kinda get out and do mental health my way. And so that's when the pandemic hit. So, obviously, it was a big red flag for me. I was like, what is going on? And so I was actually chief steward of the union where I worked. And so I called the union, and I was like, they're taking away all my residents rights. They're taking away all our rights. What are we gonna do about it? And the union turned around and was like, Sarah, don't you care about your residence? And that's when I knew that this was serious.
You know, I could lose my job. And I got scared as a single mom of 3 again in a lot of debt. And I, anyone that worked in a nursing home actually couldn't go work to their other jobs. So I was also losing money. So I got scared and I stayed quiet for a little bit, and I started watching my residents deteriorate. I had a resident that died of a heart attack within a week of the lockdown. So lockdowns meaning they didn't let any more family members in. And so I had a resident that, you know, when I came in the morning right away, first thing I had to do was call her daughter and and see what time exactly she was gonna come because her mom was gonna ask me every 5 minutes. And if she was a few minutes late, she would go into this anxiety, starting an anxiety attack and thinking that her daughter is dead. And this lady had heart problems.
And so she died of a heart attack within a week of the lockdowns, And I was like, oh my god. And people are like, Sarah, stop. Maybe it's coincidence. Right? And also nursing home is the last stop for these people. They've already lost them everything. The only thing they have left is their loved ones. And when their loved ones come in, you can really see them come to life. Right? And so that's what they live for. And some of our residents honestly don't eat from us. They wouldn't let us feed them. Their families would have to come in and they would eat from their family. And so what happened to these people when their families couldn't come in? Well, it's called failure to thrive. They let themselves go and they died alone.
And to make things worse, they started testing us. And in my nursing home, 3 housekeepers tested positive. Absolutely no symptoms, but because they were housekeeping, they shut down the entire facility. So now everybody had to stay in their rooms for 14 days until everyone was negative again. And you can imagine how detrimental this is to these people. And so some of them didn't wanna listen, and, you know, they didn't want to cooperate. And these people were said to have behaviors the doctor would be called and they'd be sedated. Wow.
And also, like, if a resident wouldn't listen and would wanted to walk with our walker and was becoming aggressive to go walk in the hallway, they would just take the walker away. And that's just, like, put them at risk for, you know, falls. Like, they they lost their they were losing their ability to ambulate. They were sitting alone in their room. They were at risk for falls. Like, we were going against everything we've learned. They were even with the they were telling us to wear the masks for 8 hours, one mask for 8 hours, and they were even telling us to regown. So gowns that you use in isolation that you have to take off in a certain way inside out and put in a box and never touch again. They were now telling us to hang them up and put them back on. So there was so many things that were, like, so wrong. Yeah. And at some point, like, I I just couldn't handle it anymore. And I don't and as you remember, I got better, and he started healing because I was standing in my truth.
And so here I was totally disaligned, and I felt like my silence was putting me in the, on the side of the oppressor. And so my mental health really started deteriorating. And it came to the point where I was so scared. I was waiting for another nurse to speak so I wouldn't be the first one. Right. So I wouldn't be alone. But nobody spoke. And so, I decided that I had to be I was gonna be the one. It just things happened. I was invited to speak, at a rally October 31, 2020. And so I founded nurses against lockdowns to unite nurses, educate the public, and bring the ethics back into health care. And I went to speak at this event and presented my new like, my new organization.
And so that's when the trouble started. So I was fired right away, after that, from my first job. And I don't know if you want me to continue like that. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. So I was fired from my first job. But yet so I went back to the 2nd job that I couldn't go to anymore because I was working in nursing home. And so I went through the agency, and they didn't really know what happened yet. So I was able to work at the community for a little bit. And at the same time, another nurse found me, who was organizing a rally, Kristen Nagel.
And so we came together and she, called the other nurses in the states that had speak spoken, Erin Marie and Nicole Seratek. I don't know if you all know them, but they were the first ones to speak out. And so they invited us to come speak, and do like a conference kind of like the American frontline doctors did. So we founded, 6 of us founded Global Frontline Nurses, and the plan was to have, chapter in every in every country. So first, anyways, we gathered together, and we were supposed to go speak in Florida, but I don't know if you know who Del Big Tree is. I'm sure you do.
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I don't. I'm afraid.
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That's right. So he invited us to speak in Washington instead. And so we were so excited. We didn't know it was political at all, but we ended up in Washington, g DC speaking at a health and freedom summit on January 6th 2021, when the capital was, the insurrection. Right? So we didn't know that it was gonna be any of that, but we kinda got mixed into that. And when we came back, we were defamed internationally by the media, called domestic terrorists by some. And then we were really exposed. Right? Washington Post, National Post, where we were on CP 24 every 30 minutes.
And so we got a a lot of backlash because it was early. Right? Yeah. In the pandemic. And so, we've got countless death threats, You know, I got 4 summons, that I've all dropped by now. We were put under investigation by the College of Nurses of Ontario, which, my first discipline actually, my first investigation has become a disciplinary hearing, and that's the big case that I'll come back to after that I'm going through now. But I actually have 4 other investigations against me by them after this. And so, but we didn't let that stop us. We were proud advocates for medical freedom. And during the lockdowns, we, traveled the country and went to every city, spoke and, you know, we are we're not anti vaxxers. Actually, we were portrayed as that, but we're really big on informed consent.
And the public wasn't getting informed consent. And, you know, that's really wrong. And nurses are the last line of defense between the medical industry and, the patient. And also, we learnt an ethics class that when the medical industry turns against the people, it's our jobs, our responsibility to, I quote, agitate and advocate for what is best for our communities. So I was like, we're doing exactly what we're supposed to be doing, and the college is there to protect the public, which they didn't do. And so we had to pick up and do their jobs.
But it was all about giving people informed consent, and informed consent has 5 aspects to it. You know, people have the right to know the risks, the benefits, the alternatives. Is there any alternatives? Right? We weren't let being told about any of that. How it works in the body and what it does, and then people will have the right to ask any questions they need answered and have answers to that. And, obviously, all that wasn't happening. So we went across the country and held rallies to inform people and answer their their questions and all this and show people that, hey, you know, there are nurses, that are not going with the narrative, and we were obviously very censored.
And at this point, we were, you know, nurses against lockdowns that I had founded, kind of merged into Canadian frontline nurses. And, so we went with that. We were also the organizers in September 2021 of the National Hospital protests here, in Canada, and that went very well too. So well that we were defamed again, and this time our address was leaked. You know, we there was a bounty put on our heads. And so, it it was a big deal, but they they kinda shut us down. And, and so again, obviously, other investigations came from that. But because we were being defamed so much by the Canadian Nurses Association too, we finally got lawyers that were kind of stable. It's been a long story with lawyers too. It's hard. It's hard to find lawyers that think like us. Yeah.
And that are good, and that are willing to do it. Right? And so at that point, we got the lawyers that I I'm using now. And so we went after the Canadian Nurses Association, on a defamation case. And we were also the first ones to go after the federal government for putting up the Emergencies Act, in Ottawa at the truckers' convoy. So we've done a lot of work. I should say. Right? And and then, you know, after, the hospital protest, we kind of switched to, to creating the new health care paradigm that, I had envisioned as nurses against lockdown. So it was all about bringing care back in the community from birth to death, but also really by empowering people because the medical industry calls us patient, and I don't I don't really like that word. When you're a patient, you're a victim, and it means that you need something from the outside to come and save you. It's very disempowering, and it tells us teaches us that our bodies are flawed.
And, you know, as I healed from fibromyalgia and started looking and meeting so many people that had healed themselves from cancer and anything that you can think of, You know, I really started, doubting the medical industry even more. Right? And so, we wanted to empower people and let them know that, you know, when people are ready to heal, they are active participants in their care and we were there to help and educate them, to do just that. And we were doing that, by we had a directory of nurses that spoke like, that thought like us, some still with their license, some doing something new like me. I create my created my own programs for mental health to help people stand in their truth because as I saw when I spoke out, we have a lack of leaders.
And it's really because people are like, well, what's different with you than other people? What made you speak out? And I really, it's because I've done the work, and I'm kinda reconnected to myself. You know, to me, trauma is anything that disconnects you. And our system and society and culture does everything to disconnect us over and over and over again. And that's why people can't stand in their power. We don't even know who we are anymore. Right? So I created programs like the ones I did to help people, you know, reconnect to their true selves and stand in in their truth. And so yeah. So there was, like, people that were doing their own thing, and there was even people that were creating teams. But unfortunately, the defamation case was turned on us, and we had no way of losing this case.
And so this is when my lawyers really found out that even the judicial system was really messed up at this point. And so they turned it around on us, and we had to pay 315,000. And there was 2 other ladies name my name and 2 other ladies, the co founder and another nurse practitioner, that was, head the head of Canadian front line nurses with us. And the thing is that because Canadian front line nurses didn't have the money, they can come down to our accounts. And that created a big mess because some of us like me had I had to sell my house. I knew I had to sell my house right when I spoke out. I didn't even have money then. Oh, wow.
Right? So I sold my house and took my money out and I wasn't gonna pay. I I couldn't. And so it created a lot of frictions and stuff and, you know, and and and scared people. And so Canadian frontline nurses kind of, I would say, collapsed. I'm now the only owner left, and I'm keeping it open for accounting and legal purposes. But honestly, I'm starting to think that, you know, maybe it's become like this because I was really the one with the vision of the new health care paradigms. You know, others were really great. They wanted to advocate and things like that, but maybe not, like, devote themselves to creating a new health care paradigm. So I'm thinking, you know, I'm fighting for my license right now in court, which I'll get to that.
Am I gonna let you talk? I'm not sure. I don't need to.
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Yeah. Is it no. It's wonderful. It's lovely to listen to, and I'm already thinking those other two ladies, they probably were just as passionate, but wanted to keep their home, Sarah. Yes. Absolutely.
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And it's oh my god. And I How brave.
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You were passionate for sure.
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Oh, yes. And I'm yes. And but but and and I understand. I'm not in the same position, and I I I also have a lot of trauma that I've worked on, and I've also lived through a lot of difficult things and know that I can rebuild myself. And I don't have a husband to tell me also that I have to, like, depend on his decision too. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So it was a different situation. I'm at like, the other two nurses are amazing. But they they did their part. And then it's it's enough. Like, then we wanna get back to our lives. Right? So yeah. So that's what happened with that.
Oh, I forget where I was. And so anyway, so that kinda collapsed. And I started working with my lighting up their corners, which is my fact, the the the what I founded for the mental health. And it's all about empowering people with the tools and knowledge they need to start their healing journey. Right? Because our healing journey is for the rest of our lives. But my mind, and my spirit is still with the nursing stuff. And so, also, what's happening now is that so my disciplinary hearing, started. So I'm actually the example here in Canada, you know, because I was the first one the first active nurse to speak out at a rally and founded nurses against lockdown that kind of became Canadian frontline nurses.
They see me as, like, the headmaster, and they wanna bring me down, and they want everybody to see, like, we brought her down. Yeah. They need to make an example of you. Yeah. Exactly. And so, so they've 1 my first investigation is now has now become a disciplinary hearing, and it's 12 allegations, you know, against me from 2020 and beginning of 2021. And this court case, this hearing started March 2023. We're on day 22. It's been crazy. It was supposed to be 7 days, our experts against theirs. Quite straightforward, but it's been very difficult that that it's very corrupted. They've hardly qualified. My expert, I have, like, the top top experts of the country.
I don't know if you, you know, you're not from in Canada, so maybe you don't know. But doctor Byron Bridle, who was one of the, professors who has to know, making the COVID vaccine. So they've only qualified him for 2 of the 12 allegations a month, and the same with the other, expert. And so we're having a lot of difficulty bringing the evidence in. And what what is really important about this case is that it has precedence in Canada. So for freedom of speech in nursing. So the pressure is on because, you know, if if I lose this case, I'd say I, but it's really we.
If we lose this case, we won't be able to be the last line of defense, for our patients, and we won't be able to get informed consent because we're not allowed to give all the information. So it's a really big deal. We saw the consequences of that during COVID. But if I win, then it opens up and all there's a lot of nurses waiting with their investigations after me, and all those would, probably unblock. So that would be nice to see. So, yeah, so that's really what's happening right now. I've been on the stand after 20 days in court. Nobody had heard anything about me.
And so I had 2 days in on the stand now, and it was pretty amazing because what they did is that they and I have to say, all 12 allegations against me are now known to be true, but the college keeps saying I had no way of knowing when I said it in 2020. So, really, it's not about, like, helping the people. It's about me going against them. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Because when we spoke out when I spoke out in at the end of October, December 16, 2020, they put out a statement because of us, me, and the other nurse that was speaking.
There was the few other nurses. Right? And so they said that we weren't allowed to speak against, any of the public health measures. Obviously, we totally didn't listen to that. But ironically, they send me the 12 allegations, and then they followed it by the code of conduct and stat, the professional standards, which is exactly what I did. I was like, this is so much gaslighting. And honestly, I was married to a very abusive guy, and I left him with my 3 kids when I was 28. And he brought me to court and I went through that. And I don't think anyone wins when families are broken, honestly. But I came out, you know, untouched on the other side. And he had to pay spousal support and ran away to Nigeria where he came from.
And so I never had to deal. I don't really have to deal with him anymore, which is a great thing. And that experience actually really empowered me because he had threatened me to death. And I still did what I felt like I had to do. Like, I still left, and what as he dragged me through the courts, I still went through it. And I, I I won. I hate saying I won, but that gave me a that it was very empowering for me. And I started, taking a lot of leadership positions and things like that. Right? And so that made me so much stronger. So, yeah. I don't know why I went from being on this stand to that.
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No. No. You're I think it's amazing because the amount of use amount of stuff that you learn on the way, I mean, I wasn't facing charges like you because I left. I didn't give them the chance to face a disciplinarian, a disciplinary, sorry.
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Well, the funny thing is that they would still come after me. Kristen, who was the other cofounder, resigned over a year ago, maybe, like, maybe almost 2 years ago, but they're still gonna go after her, after my case.
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I just think that's crazy, but then the way the world is. It is crazy. Especially if all of those counts, like you say, they're true now, but at the time, because you didn't because nobody knew it. So if you was to go out there now and say all of that, that would be fine. But
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I don't even know if that would be fine. Like, they don't want their nurses to speak about anything. Like, they've changed the code of conduct. Right. Oh, yeah. Oh, of course. They've said in. Yeah. Just talking about. Yeah. So it was really nice because the on my first day on the stand, I got to say my story and how, you know, it it when I say my story and how things happen, it really puts things into perspective for people because, you know, they're trying to make you trying to make me look really crazy. But then we I got to go through the code of conduct through all 6 principles who have like 6, statements under each and show them how I with examples, how I did exactly that and they didn't.
So it went really, really well. And then on the second day, which was, Monday, I got to go through 7 of the allegations and why I posted them, what research I had done, how did I know. Right? Even though, you know, we are doing all this, the college still thinks that this is a misinformation case. But really, to my lawyers and I, this is a freedom of speech case. And when we we don't expect to win at this level because it's really the panel consists of 3 registered nurses and a public main member appointed by the registered nurses and a public member appointed by the government. And these are the people that are supposed to decide my faith and that decided that my experts weren't to be qualified.
So it's it's crazy. Right? And so we're definitely, not really expecting on winning at this stage, but we will appeal it and take it further up.
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Right. Because I heard in one of your interviews that I was listening to that one of your, what would you call it? One of your experts had to undergo 2 days just to kind of prove they were an expert before the court would accept them. Have I got that right? Yes. It was actually
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it was it was 3 days, but, like, parts of the first day and parts of the second. So so let's say 2 days. And in the end, they didn't qualify him. Well, they qualified him for 1 and a half of the four things, they were supposed to qualify him for. So, yeah, really ridiculous. And they spent 20 days. And now that I'm on the stand, they're trying to rush me along. Like, they're like, this should be over. And it's like, oh my god. It's so crazy.
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Yeah. But good for you. Good for you. And it is all about setting a presidency and, presidency, president. You know? I went to court with Lance Murdoch facing a £10,000 fine for holding a rally in lockdown. And one of the reasons I mean, we had a really, really good barrister, and we set the precedent. We were the first people to go to court and we managed to walk away with no charges. They couldn't make it work. You know?
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That's amazing. Yeah. That's like the 4 summons I had were exactly that, and they had to drop them. But now some of them and and I thought they were dropping all of them, but we're seeing now that for some people, some cities, it's not being dropped, which is kinda crazy.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, you've got so many states in America, haven't you? And I suppose each one's got their set of rules.
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Oh, yes. And I'm in Canada. Right. So but each province has their own rules. That's right. But So what sort of things was you posting, Sarah? You know What disinformation
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was you sharing?
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Well, you know, take vitamin d. It's good for your immune system. Oh, woofoo. You know, I literally posted other doctors like doctor, Lee Merritt. I don't know if you know her, but she was the president of the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons. And she was speaking out and getting sensors, so I shared her her statements and in there, they they take, like, statements that they have against me, like, the 12 allegations. So she was saying that, hydroxychloroquine, Iver like, there's an alternative, like, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, vitamin d. So they're getting me on that.
I I said that, cardiovascular disease is a lot worse than COVID. You know? And I went on statistic Canada. Like, literally, there's 4 times more cardiovascular death at any given time of any year than COVID. And I'm like, the McDonald's and everything stayed open and the gyms were closed. Like, this makes no sense. I said that the vaccines were not safe and effective. They weren't even out yet when I said it. And so they're getting me for that. We know very well now that they're not. I did a speech. The my fur in my first speech, I said that masks were detrimental to any anyone, unsafe for anyone, but that they were even more so detrimental to kids that had a developing brain, because of the decrease in oxygen. So they got me for that.
I posted a video of a doctor who was one of the, makers of the of the test who was saying that the pandemic was a hoax. And so they're coming after me for saying that the whole pandemic is a hoax. Like, all things like this. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
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It's pretty much I'm totally with you. I totally get it. Yeah. I mean, it was pretty crazy times, wasn't it? Because I was obviously sharing a lot of stuff as well when other nurses that I were working with thought that I was crazy and would leave comments like, you won't be saying that when you're on a ventilator and stuff like that. You come and work in a COVID ward. I was like, yes, I will. I will.
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Right? And me too. Like, bring it on. Yes. Absolutely. It's it's been just insane. Upside down the world.
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Yes. Yes. And I mean, I've I speak to so many people lately, and, I mean, I was poorly, and it was a it was a flu virus. Of course, it was a flu virus, and it was something like I've never experienced before in my life. But we also know it was, you know, in in the UK, in the first lockdown, there were hardly any cases. It was the 2nd supposed wave that we started seeing a little bit more, but at the same time, it was flu season. Of course, all the deaths were combined as flu. They were yeah. All of the COVID deaths were combined as the same thing as flu, so it all kind of fitted quite well, really, didn't it?
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It really did. And I don't know how, I don't remember in the UK, but here they were telling people like, stop all your treatments. Don't take puffers. Don't take anything for fever. And they weren't doing anything until people were, like, really, really sick. And then they would put them on ventilators and would disappear. And it was just like a mess. There was no, like, preventative care. No. Like, it was all fear based. We know fear causes, like, immunity decreases your immune system. Like, isolation is not good for us. Like all these honestly, all the measures were like super harmful.
Was it like that in the UK too? Yeah. Yeah. All of the everything
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was in threes, the wearer masks stand 3 meters apart. It does seem so surreal, doesn't it? Like 4 years ago. And to think that, you know, we would go in a shop and, the barber wouldn't cut my son's hair because neither of us were wearing masks. And I didn't wear a mask once out shopping. And I would be that person, you know, when you'd see people struggling, I'd be like, just take it off, and I would try and do a bit of a chat, you know, try and explain a few things. But I think the worst part for me was when I was still working at the hospitals because I didn't speak out till the start of the second wave, but I could see it all going on, and, you know, I'm I think lots of people must have done really. I know people say, like, well, I think of all the hospitals that I worked in over 3, I was the only one that spoke out. There must have been so many people that were living it and seeing it and think something's amiss here because nothing's tallying up. I mean, in the UK, the hospital where I was working in Cornwall, the turn the radio off because at the start, I was petrified. I was thinking, oh my goodness, and my other half said you don't have to go to work, and I'm like, no. You know, this is my calling. This is what I do.
Yes. Working in those, and it really hit home when, the second wave came along, and they were expecting us, and it was really hot as well when like, it is in hospitals, like, like, to wear gloves and fast face mask and aprons all night. Yeah. Constantly have them on, but when you're seeing people that have got breathing problems being wheeled down into a ward with a mask on. Yes. That really hurt. That dude is like, this is just getting crazy.
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Yes. And there was, like, no exceptions and people were being shamed for, like, not being able to breathe and not wanting to mask. Like, it was awful.
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I had a little operation, and I've got, like, a bent finger now because I had to do, like, physiotherapy via Zoom, which works really well. Not. But, I had to go to hospital to have an operation, and, of course, I wouldn't wear a mask, but they put me in a side room, and I was escorted to the theater and stuff. And but when I came around, I had a mask on my face, and the first thing I did was pull it off. Oh. But even without your consent, you know, it's, yeah, terrible times. Terrible times.
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Yeah. They they really I mean, I I I see I started seeing that the first question wasn't what it was. Like, we're their nurses. We're there to help people. We love people. We don't realize how messed up the medical industry is because we're so programmed to see how good it is.
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Right? So And that's it. Yeah. And I know I mentioned briefly before we started, you know, my my only hoo where I work at the moment is when they come out with the COVID jabs. I just tend to disappear. Right. You know, as like you say, when you're a nurse, your, protocol, so to speak, is you will do no harm, and they must know when I they I've seen before, like, 2 people have seizures within 24 hours of having the jab. Well, that's not coincidence. And how can you be a nurse and just administer that and not ask any questions?
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It's crazy. Like it turns us against the exact mission that we have. It's just insane. Actually, one of the allegations that I have is when I wrote a post saying that, you know, we took a note. It's really a pledge, but whatever. We took a note to do no harm, you know, like recommending, an unsafe and ineffective, vaccine is a is a crime against humanity. So that's basically, that's an allegation against me because I wrote that.
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Yeah. A bit of truth.
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Right? I'm like, okay. I'm gonna throw the Nuremberg code at them. Yes. Yes. It's just insane. But I and to me, it's like there's no way they didn't know. Like, they knew. They like, this is evil. You know, the the the lawyer representing the CNL, like, so evil. They're they're being so unfair. They're just trying to win at like, there's no morals or ethics in this. It's so sad.
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No. It's what's politically correct, isn't it? Speaking to a manager the other politically correct, isn't it? Speaking to a manager the other day, somebody I know, and she was telling me that about the other cures for, like, dementia and stuff like that that. And I thought, it must be really hard doing your job and not ever being able to say, oh, you know, what about this? What about that? And I believe in the end, that's what stopped me going into nursing because just before, it all hit, I was doing my dream job at the hospital when it was my dream job. I absolutely loved it. And but after that, there's too much red tape for me because I can't help it. I've experienced things. I've seen things. I would be that person like in the cancer wards, and, you know, people are bringing their family, like, all these cakes and everything to, like, boost them and everything, and I'd be like, well, sugar's not really the best thing.
Yeah. Have you watched this video? And it's in the end, it was like, oh god. Be quiet. You're gonna get into trouble.
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Isn't it crazy, though? Like, we can't even really do our jobs. It's like No. No.
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You gotta be so careful what you say. And even now I've I've all I'm always, like, cautious because people are listening and they like to report you if you've said something because you're an advocate for for these people. Yeah. And I think, but I'm not a nurse, so therefore I should shut up. So I I do tend to walk away a bit more now, unless it's something really serious. But, yeah, some of them have said, like, who does Shelley think? She is a doctor.
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Yeah. And it's like, we really honestly, it's not because I'm a nurse that I knew everything.
[00:41:49] Unknown:
No, you don't have to be a nurse to research stuff. Do you? Right. Exactly. But lots of people are like, oh, you're not a nurse. Yeah. You haven't got that certificate even if you've spent hours looking into things, which I'm sure you did like I did. I mean, I used to spend every evening researching all of this stuff. Yeah. That's crazy. Obsessively. Obsessively. Yeah. It it was a mission every evening. That's what I did.
[00:42:15] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:42:16] Unknown:
And I was just like you, you know, in in between jobs, and you're kinda thinking, I hope they don't recognize me, and do they know who I am? So so you're not you're not concerned, I presume, obviously, if you lose your pen now, if you're not gonna go back to nursing.
[00:42:33] Unknown:
Well, the the whole 3 years, it was like, no. I'm, it's funny. I kind of changed, like, within the last month. It was yeah. I don't want my license. I'm doing my own thing. Right? I have lighting up their corners, and I love that. That's my passion. That's my purpose. Like, I transcend that transcended my pain into wisdom, And I really wanna show other people how to stand in their truth and in their power because that's how we get out of this. Right? But, you know, as Canadian frontline nurses shut down, and I had a lot of time to think because when I was, like, running, Canadian frontline nurses, it was nonstop speaking everywhere, meetings, building. You know, it was always nonstop. And when I stopped and, like, lately, you know, I had to grieve.
I didn't have time to do all that. Right? And I realized, like, I loved being a nurse. Like, how dare they take away this from me? But I was I was going and just until if, like, maybe 6 weeks ago, I was gonna resign, but I was still gonna keep doing my hearing. It still goes on, and I'm doing it because it's the right thing to do. And I feel like somebody should hold them accountable. And, you know, I'm doing this for all the nurses behind me because as you said, like, there was other nurses that weren't speaking. Like, I I managed the social media with nurses against lockdowns and Canadian frontline nurses. And I could tell you, I got messages from 1,000 upon 1,000 of nurses, especially when the mandates came out because they didn't know what to do.
So, again, where was I going with this?
[00:44:18] Unknown:
Oh, I don't know. It's alright. It's great conversation anyway. Yep. Nursing. You're nursing.
[00:44:25] Unknown:
Yes. So so, you know, I I they wanna revoke my and I was like, they can go ahead. I don't care. And and but and they want me to pay their costs. So we're at 22 days. You know, I know a chiropractor that lost to the same lawyer after 29 days and had to pay 800,000.
[00:44:45] Unknown:
So they expect me to to pay their Where are you gonna magic that up from, Sarah?
[00:44:50] Unknown:
You know, I really don't wanna say, but I don't have it. So what I mean, it's it's just, like, whatever. I've I've I'm very detached now from these shackles of, like, shackles of, like, mindset of money and stuff. And I I believe in myself. I can rebuild myself. But but I I've changed I've kinda changed my mind because of the event because I'm like, oh, maybe there's a reason why Canadian frontline nurses came back to me. And, you know, maybe it just needs, like, some some time. I just needed some time. And then once I win this case, I still wanna create the new health care paradigm.
And so maybe that's what's gonna happen. And so, no, I'm not I I was going to resign my license and still go on with the hearing, but I've decided like no. Let them take it away from me and you know at some point there if justice gets you know, if I do lose it, because I'm starting to think I'm gonna win. I I I manifest it. Right? I I feel it. Like, I'm embodying it. And then I'm gonna go after them. And then I'm gonna reopen Canadian frontline nurses and do what I have to do and get people to, like, get healthy without them. So that Oh, I love it. You're so passionate. That's my new thing.
But yeah. And, again, if if if they do take away my license, that was a mindset I was in for the whole last 4 years. So, you know, it's fine. I'm gonna do something else. I definitely don't wanna work in that system. No. But I love the advocating, nursing advocating because they were see, my license is suspended now because it said I haven't worked in the last 3 years. And I was thinking, like, I've never worked more as a nurse than in the last 3 years. Like, I've been a real advocate, like a leader. This is like I feel like and and I love that, and I don't wanna stop doing
[00:46:52] Unknown:
that. No. Good. Good. And I think it does lead you onto other things. Like you said earlier about the the grieving process, you know, when I did what I did, I was gutted. I was terribly depressed because I loved my job so much. I'd only been doing it for 18 months, and I'd felt like I'd been wanting my whole life to work in a hospital. But I always thought I had to be a nurse or something, but actually I was just a HCA.
[00:47:15] Unknown:
I don't say just because I know they work bloody hard. Yeah. But I I was a I think HCA is the same thing as personal support worker here, and I did that before Right. Nursing. Yeah. So you do a lot of work.
[00:47:27] Unknown:
Yeah. And, I I was doing what I wanted to do, and I loved learning all the bits and bobs. And, I mean, to be fair, I was probably doing some of the jobs that the nurses do, which is quite often the way in the hospitals, and you've got the nurses doing the jobs of junior doctors because there's never enough staff, but, no, I just loved it, and I did grieve it for a long time. And then trying to get another job, it was like, well, they're not gonna give me a reference. And how can I prove that I've been working? Oh, anyway. And I was a bit like you. I was like manifesting. I managed. I built up an overdraft. I lived, but I sold stuff on Ebay.
And, you know, the world works in mysterious ways, doesn't it? Yes. Absolutely.
[00:48:07] Unknown:
Absolutely. I believe in abundance. As long as you're aligned and keep doing the right thing, we should be okay.
[00:48:13] Unknown:
Definitely. And, you know, if the worst case scenario of you get have to pay £800,000,
[00:48:20] Unknown:
well, where are they gonna get it from? You know, I was thinking that. I've been ready for that, and that's another thing. They they they know I didn't pay the Canadian nurses association, so I think they they they're kinda getting worried about how they're gonna get their money.
[00:48:36] Unknown:
Yeah. A pound a month or a dollar a month in your case. Because I thought that if I was charged with £10,000, I was like, well, they'll get a pound a month.
[00:48:46] Unknown:
And they and I heard they can only come after you for 6 years. So
[00:48:51] Unknown:
Right. I don't know what it's like over there. Yeah. But if you haven't got it, you haven't got it. Have you? No.
[00:48:57] Unknown:
Like, it is what it is. Yeah. I'm a candidate for this situation.
[00:49:03] Unknown:
Well, it's good that you've got the mindset that you've got. And I I think you're right because the problem is with nursing, where you're heading now, you're heading in that more holistic approach of wanting to cure the not the simp yeah. Cure the symptoms, get to the root cause rather than just throw in medications Yes. At the symptoms and never getting anywhere.
[00:49:24] Unknown:
Exactly. Actually, getting people maybe in the opposite direction. It's more harmful, and it might help what they have in the moment, but it's affecting you somewhere else, and we'll come back with a revenge. We have to be careful of putting all these synthetic and chemicals into our bodies. It's coming from every side and everywhere, and we're very, like there's we have a lot of detoxing to do, everybody.
[00:49:51] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I I mean, I'm just going through the whole, you know, trying to change my diet, introduce raw foods and things like that. I feel like I'm on it at the moment. Yeah. No processed foods. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm never gonna be perfect. I'm gonna have the old processed dinner and stuff like that. But it's about taking control and realizing what you're eating, what you're drinking, and blah blah blah.
[00:50:14] Unknown:
Exactly. It's awareness. It's all about awareness. You know? We're so disconnected. Nobody's really aware of what's going on inside their bodies, what they need. Right? When you start being aware and paying attention, you really realize, oh, when I eat this, I don't feel that great. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just
[00:50:35] Unknown:
So so where are you up to now with your court case? How much longer do you think you've got left?
[00:50:42] Unknown:
So this is, like, the tough part for me. And, so I have I'm I'm back on the stand August 2nd 7th, and that's probably gonna be cross examination. This is actually a public hearing, and people can actually email and and and ask for the links. I'm I'm not sure from the UK, but I was never told anything else. And then it's going to be the well, we don't know yet because there's we put in a motion to get another expert to just read the evidence that they haven't let us bring in so that we can use them in court. And so we're trying to get that in and doing everything possible to get just an expert to, like, just read them in and say, I read this article. It's peer reviewed, and then we can put it as evidence.
But we're not sure if they're gonna let us do that motion, and if they don't, that's fine. We can show, the courts that we did everything we can. Right? So I'm not sure if it's going to finish after I'm on the stand. It's gonna be closing arguments. And the last day was supposed to be the 16th August, but we do have 3 more days booked in case, which I don't really remember what they are. And then it's going to be appeal. And so, you know, I have a little bit over $100,000 in lawyer fees outstanding for this case. And so obviously I'm continuously trying to fundraise and collect donations and and things like that. And I tell people like, it's not really donations. It's an investment
[00:52:25] Unknown:
help. And we crowdfunded over £3,000 to pay for our court fees. We couldn't have done that. It was like we either accept the ticket and pay it, or we take it to court. But people were so on our side and supportive, and we raised the money pretty easily. I mean, I know you're asking for a lot more, but, Sarah's I I will put in the link, after this is all edited, your, give send go page, and if anybody out there would give a donation, you know, it doesn't matter how big if everybody just gave a dollar, it would be something, wouldn't it? It all adds up.
[00:53:01] Unknown:
Exactly. Absolutely. And, like, people have been very generous. To be honest, like in the last year with Canadian frontline nurses and myself, we raised a 125,000.
[00:53:11] Unknown:
Wow.
[00:53:13] Unknown:
We have a lot of support. Now that I've that we've kind of shut down, I have to shut down the social medias too because I'm trying to build my business lighting up dark corners. You can check me out at lighting up dark corners.com. And I run free workshops actually to help people stand in their truth, where I teach people about trauma, how we all have it to a certain extent and how it works, how to manage our triggers, how to reconnect to our true self, and how to put up healthy boundaries, and it's free. And it's a preview to my program. So if people are interested, they can, check me out at lighting up dark corners, dot com.
But yeah. And and I'm very also very focused on this stuff, obviously, the court stuff.
[00:53:58] Unknown:
Yes. I bet you've learned. I bet you could always be a a judge after this, couldn't you? Or a solicitor you're a lawyer.
[00:54:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Right? Yes. And I'm so grateful for my lawyers because they're really amazing. Like, that that 100,000 doesn't even come close to what the work they've done. And we do have an outstanding half a million, from Canadian frontline nurses for them, for the work they've done, and that's on a discount. And, you know, they kinda know that they might never get this money. But as long as I'm trying as hard as I can to fundraise,
[00:54:33] Unknown:
they've got my back. So I'm very grateful for them. Isn't it awful that it comes to that, though, that you can't you know, so many people, they've got their rights, and they shouldn't have the the wrong doings of the legal system put to them, but they just haven't got the money to finance to fight it. It's just crazy.
[00:54:51] Unknown:
That's the thing, and that's how they get us. Right? They're very angry. They they're like, how did this single mother get this far?
[00:54:58] Unknown:
Damn this woman. She's broke.
[00:55:01] Unknown:
I'm like, I'm coming.
[00:55:04] Unknown:
It's not over. When I win, I'm going after them. Yeah. Yeah. So they're probably really scared. Well, they should be. I'm just looking at your, go send, sorry, give send go page and somebody, I'll just read this quickly. Sarah, you are the most determined, courageous, strongest, bravest, bad woman I know. I admire your authenticity and love your heart. You make the world a better place to live, and you inspire me. Thank you. Aww. So supportive. So supportive. Yeah. Yeah. Because there must have been so many people that wanted to speak out, but they just haven't got the courage.
Or they feel that they've got too much to lose, you know, regarding the whole COVID vaccines. The amount of people I I mean, a lot of people, a good lot of people did walk out from their jobs. They weren't going to comply, but then you've got other people, like, well, I've got a mortgage to pay, blah blah blah. You know, they really had people.
[00:55:57] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. It's it was so much coercion, which is exactly what the code of conduct says that we can't do to get things out of people.
[00:56:05] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah.
[00:56:07] Unknown:
Yeah. Ironically.
[00:56:09] Unknown:
Well, we've got a couple of minutes left to round up, Sarah. Is there anything you would like to add?
[00:56:16] Unknown:
Well, I just wanna to tell people, if you're listening to this and you see what's happening, then, you know, I strongly believe that you are one of the pioneers that will be creating Yeah. The new world that we wanna see. And I always tell people don't let hate and fear take over our humanity. Spread love and don't be silent when you see oppression, you know, together. That's how we're gonna get through this. Together, there's not nothing that we can't achieve and so we need to unite and not divide divide. Because I'm seeing it a lot. They they throw things and and we just divide, divide, divide. When I, first started speaking out and we were growing quite big. I mean, within a few months, I had a 20,000 people following me on Instagram and 30,000 on Facebook. Like, people wanted to see this, but we were so censored.
Great. I lost it again. I lost it again. I don't know why because I'm trying to close it up. No. No. That's fine. That's fine.
[00:57:20] Unknown:
Yeah. You're you're working your ass off, basically. And when she says bravest bad women, I wanna say bravest bad ass women. Yeah. You go for it, girl. And I will be keeping a close eye on what's going on and, yeah, manifesting it for you as I'm sure lots of others will.
[00:57:38] Unknown:
Yes. Thank you so much. I so appreciate this.
[00:57:41] Unknown:
No. Thank you. What a guest. What a guest. It's so lovely to speak to somebody. I don't know if I said in the show or what. You know, you messaged me 4 years ago when I did what I did, and I never replied because at the same time as you, you get thousands of messages.
[00:57:55] Unknown:
Yes. Exactly.
[00:57:57] Unknown:
I can't even remember reading it. And then when I went to send you a message, you'd messaged me 4 years ago, and I was like, oh, wow. So I knew it was gonna be great.
[00:58:06] Unknown:
Yes. It's so amazing. I'm so glad to connect, and please reach out anytime. Bless you. Thank you very much. Well, thank you so much, Sarah.
[00:58:14] Unknown:
And, I will get this uploaded and send you the link, my lovely, and keep up the awesome work. Thank you. Love and light. Yes. You too. Take care, my lovely. Bye. Wow. That was awesome. What a great speaker as well. And I have finished on time tonight for once. I wanted to be organised to play my, last, well, my outro music. I've not managed to do it the last few weeks because, I've had great guests, and I just haven't timed it right. Anyway, things are on the change. So that yeah. So that was Sarah Charles Union from Canada, the cofounder of Canadian frontline nurses, and the the first nurse over there to speak out. Again, it's lockdowns.
What a case she's got lying ahead of her. So we wish her all the luck. I will put details. Perhaps she might donate. Be greatly appreciated. Anyway, I'll be back same time next week. Have an awesome, awesome week, people.
Introduction and Guest Welcome
Sarah's Background and Early Career
Doubts About the Medical Industry
Personal Health Struggles and Discoveries
Impact of the Pandemic on Nursing Homes
Lockdowns and Resident Deterioration
Speaking Out and Founding Nurses Against Lockdowns
Defamation and Legal Challenges
Disciplinary Hearing and Legal Battles
Allegations and Social Media Posts
Future of Nursing and Personal Reflections
Fundraising and Community Support
Final Thoughts and Encouragement
