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Broadcasts live every Wednesday at 7:00p.m. uk time on Radio Soapbox: http://radiosoapbox.com

The Shelley Tasker Show is a dynamic, thought-provoking program hosted by Shelley Tasker every Wednesday at 7pm uk time. Hour 2 is Co-hosted with the great Mallificus Scott. The show offers insightful commentary, interviews, and discussions on current events, culture, and social issues. With a focus on honest dialogue and independent perspectives, The show provides an open space for exploring diverse viewpoints and tackling important topics with authenticity and thoughtfulness. Whether you’re looking for fresh takes on trending issues or in-depth conversations,


In this episode of the Shelley Tasker Show, Shelley navigates a solo start, sharing her thoughts on the Million Women March and the challenges faced by its organisers. Despite low turnout and online abuse directed at organiser Nat, the event saw participation in various cities, highlighting the ongoing struggle against abuse and the need for inclusive future marches.

Shelley also discusses the impact of the lockdowns and the societal changes that followed, expressing bewilderment at the public's short memory regarding the trauma experienced. She is joined by Mallificus, who shares insights on confidence and societal engagement, and later by musician and activist Tommy Coyle. Tommy shares his journey into activism through music, inspired by the lockdowns, and discusses the challenges of speaking out against mainstream narratives.

The conversation touches on the importance of maintaining integrity and the difficulties faced by artists in the current climate. Tommy's music, which addresses these themes, is highlighted, and listeners are encouraged to explore his work.

Shelley and Mallificus also delve into historical events, including the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII, and discuss the ongoing societal issues reflected in current council cuts and housing policies. The episode concludes with a Cornish ghost story, adding a local flavour to the discussion.

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[00:01:19] Unknown:

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker Show coming live out of radiosoapbox.com.   It's good to have your company.   I am on Rumble streaming live as well. If you'd like to join in the conversation,   drop any questions or comments.   It looks like I'm going solo for the first thirty minutes.   Today's date is   Wednesday, February   2026.   Happy hump day.   Is it happy? Are you happy?   Do you know? I just feel a little little bit bewildered at the moment. Bewildered.   I'm not sure if it's the time of year, all the rain, all the factor of being that certain age that I am.   Anyway, I don't wanna come across grumpy.  

You know, I'm not grumpy. I'm just I'm a bit looking for inspiration.   I want a bit of a pick me up.   So   we we was expecting   a great guest. I have already got another great guest, fortunately.   First guest let me know about half an hour ago, so I'm like, oh my god. What am I gonna do? Dead airspace.   So I thought I would just babble away and bore you senseless, really.   No. Lots to talk about, actually, because yesterday   was it yesterday? No. It was Monday.   It was the million women march that you might have heard the build up to that. I've mentioned it several times on the last few shows and interviewed a great couple of ladies about it.   Well, the million women march,   it was   nationwide.  

Unfortunately, the main event in London didn't go ahead due to   the organizer, Natalie Blassa, facing horrendous abuse online.   And   I really feel for her because she did such an amazing job, and everybody was so onto it. You know? But events did go out. They went out in Norwich, Manchester,   Liverpool,   and Truro in Cornwall. And,   you know, people turned up. It was,   numbers were a little bit disappointing. I can't lie.   You start asking questions then, don't you? Was was it the day? You know, it's a Monday. It's the first day of half term.   Is it that people actually just don't care?  

I don't know. It's like one of those things that so many people when this went out, so many people were like, oh, yeah. I can't wait for it. We're gonna be there. We're gonna be there.   I'm like, where were all of those people?   There were there were a few discrepancies   because people argued that they would like their husbands to march too. And let's face it. It's not just women and children that get abused. Men have been abused as well.   So I think moving forward, when we do another one,   they're talking about doing another one in a few months' time, then, the men will be invited.   But I do think that everybody that turned up,   they did they did enjoy it. They got something from the speakers, and we did have some amazing speakers.  

And because Natalie   didn't go to the London One, we were very blessed to have the whole founder of the march   do a speech at ours.   So that was good. And we had the awesome Debbie Hicks from London   and Amy Hamilton, who was on Women's Hour a couple weeks ago, and gave her a horrific story   about child abuse and growing up in grooming gangs and stuff like that.   And then another wonderful lady called Lucy Rain,   and   I think that's about it, really. Yeah.   And it was wonderful because we had a big horse turn up, the wonderful Penny Red who owns these Suffolk Punch horses.   She does a lot of, like, funerals with the horse drawn carriages and stuff like that. Well, just about five minutes before the march started,   she rode up to the cathedral,   and she's got long wild red hair. She had no hat on, and she just came marching up on a horse to the cathedral   and shouted out, I'm here for the million women march. And everybody went, yay.  

And it was brilliant.   What she needed actually was a crown on her head because she could have been,   Boadicea   on her horse.   You know? So she left the march, and the horse was   absolutely   amazing.   It was interesting afterwards because there was   one member. You're never gonna please everybody, and I do love this lady, but   felt that, you know, if the horse was gonna be involved again, she couldn't because she felt that it was unkind.   And, you know, that we were   talking about abusing children, but at the same time, we were abusing horses,   which I kind of thought was very over the top. But like I say, you're never gonna please   all of these people   that are,   well, out. You know, like I say, so many of them   were   just   wow. So many of them were there for various reasons, but there were so many people that wanted the men there as well.  

So, it was a good turnout. And, well, it wasn't a good turnout, but it was a good couple of hours uniting with these   wonderful women. You know? Some people have traveled a feral distance as well, and they had proper t shirts made and stuff like that. And looking at the bigger marches, they had quite a crowd, actually.   So,   all was not lost, but I did feel a bit deflated,   you know, because we usually do a collection afterwards that covers   the transport costs for our speakers. We didn't even manage to cover all those costs,   but we must not you know, there were onlookers.  

Troy was quite quiet. The streets were quiet, but if you looked in every coffee shop, they were just bouncing.   But it was interesting. It was interesting to meet lots of people, and then, like, somebody else had the same faces. There's a lot of passionate women out there that are very awake and know what's going on.   And the the press just weren't interested at all. I mean, nobody wants to really approach that elephant in the room, do they? Child abuse, sex abuse, and things like that.   And I did message Cornwall Live, and they messaged back in the morning   and said, oh, sorry, Shelley, but our Troy Reporter is off ill for the day. Typical. Typical.  

You know, when I reached out to other places,   no reply.   I don't know what it is with people.   No. I don't know. Just, what's the right word I'm looking for?   I don't know. If somebody was to message me and ask me to do something, it's just a yes or no, isn't it, really?   I appreciate people are really busy. People are busy. That's life.   Anyway,   I have got   Natalie's speech, and I'm hoping that if I play it, you're gonna be able to hear it. It's only five minutes long.   And then I think Maleficus   is gonna join me   earlier than planned to help me out so I don't have to babble along by myself. But, you know, I seem to be getting   better. And it's crazy because I can talk for England all the time. And then when it's when you know that you've gotta talk for half an hour, you're like, what am I gonna talk about? What am I gonna talk about? Anyway, Tommy Coyle is coming on at half past seven,   and he is an activist, musician. I got to know Tommy in COVID times. He's written some great music,   and I follow his blog on Facebook and stuff. He's a very deep guy, very philosophical   guy, and, very interesting.  

So, he will be joining us at 07:30. He might possibly come a little bit earlier because I did message and beg him.   Please, my first guest can't make it, but Maleficos is getting himself ready.   So I will   just let you let me find it one second.  

[00:08:48] Unknown:

Play Natalie's speech for you. It's just four minutes. I'm quite, a bit emotional, very touched. I'm not a public speaker   by nature.   This whole rosy idea of mine happened because three horrific tragedies happened in quick succession.   There was little Sara Sharif who was   brutally murdered by her dad and there was ten years of missed opportunities to save her.   Hugh Edwards walked away with a noncustodial   sentence, and then the horrific transcripts   of the 250   that the girls that had been sex trafficked throughout The UK came to light, and there was obviously   the natural public outrage.  

And then the more you we start digging into   these things, the team of women that I work with,   both of us as daughters,   just   horrific story after horrific story came about.   And   I tried actually getting other people that are, you know, can do marches, that we have a big platform to help them to set this up, but they they weren't interested. But the people who work   is all the women like you   or just normal people that just see tragedy after tragedy, they're sick to death of reading article   article of another child let down by the system, we pay to protect them. All   of   the   agencies   in place where their sole responsibility   is to look after children. And time and again, they let them down   either through overworking   or an inability to whistle blow   or the systems that have been created and now they're ruining our kids. And   it it came a point where enough was enough.  

And,   we just couldn't stay silent anymore, so we created the Million Women March in London   and then for today, 12:00.   And then so many people said, well, I can't get to London because I'm just a normal woman like you, and I haven't got that sort of money. So we encouraged everybody   to create their own, and   the feeling   that how important this is has just taken off all around the country.   Today,   you are part of   maybe anything up to 50 to 60,000 women all over the country from all different communities, all different political backgrounds, all   just standing together   to say we've had enough. Things have to change because today's children are tomorrow's adults. That's right. And all of the problems we see today, whether it's addiction or crime,   domestic violence and abuse, they all stand from a child that didn't have a good start.  

And we all need   to stand strong together, and it doesn't you can't tiptoe around subjects that are tough to have. We've done that too long, and it's got us nowhere.   We have to be brave, and we have to have   strong, tough conversations   about things that people don't want to talk about,   and we have to start doing more. And you guys, honestly, you've taken my breath away. The solidarity   between women,   our our fabric has been torn apart so much the last decade or so, diff one different color gender or another.   But the way that women have come together   and become the   thread to wind it all back together on one subject that is children   has   Gardner.  

I'm so touched and so proud of you. You're absolutely amazing, and just thank you everybody so much for coming.   You're just amazing, so thank you so much. Sorry. I'm not a public speaker.  

[00:12:48] Unknown:

So she's not a public speaker apparently.   Yeah. Whoop. Playing it again. She's an amazing speaker.   She's an amazing woman, to be fair.   And I feel for her   because, obviously,   she couldn't attend the own rally, and she felt that because of her own   because of her own,   personal problems, she couldn't risk attending and organizing the rally. So   bless her heart.   Anyway,   mister Scott, are you there?   I am here. Can you hear me? I can hear you. Lovely to hear another voice. How are you?  

[00:13:24] Unknown:

I'm I'm very well. I'm rather wet.   I have braved I have braved storms to get here across the garden from the studio.  

[00:13:34] Unknown:

Oh, bless you.  

[00:13:36] Unknown:

Much appreciated. No. It's quite funny. I'm I'm I'm sat here in a in a nice green shirt that now looks like it's sort of I I don't like leopard print because I'm covered in these huge raindrops. But anyway yeah. No. I I I I caught wind   I caught wind that you were on air, and I just thought I'd poke my head in and say hello early.  

[00:13:53] Unknown:

And help me out. Yeah. Well, thank you so much.  

[00:13:57] Unknown:

Oh, thank you. To hear your voice. It's nice to hear your voice. So nice.  

[00:14:02] Unknown:

Full of compliments, says.   Yeah. Yeah. Behind closed doors, I'm alright. Yeah. Are you I like you like that with your wife, though? Do you do you think you give your wife lots of compliments?  

[00:14:11] Unknown:

Yeah. I do. More than she gives me, I reckon.   Well, yeah, if that's how we're gonna gauge it. Yeah. I mean, I I reckon I I I can tally more compliment stakes than than she can. Alright. Yeah. I reckon.  

[00:14:24] Unknown:

I think they're important compliments. They are. They are. They are. I drove down to school the other day. I wish someone would tell her that.   I'll send her a message later on and said he wants more compliments. Yeah. I I drove down to school a few days ago. Sure that'll work.   Yeah. I said, give him a prod. But, and the lollipop lady was stood there, and I just had my hair done and I had the window undone. And I said, are you alright, lovely? And she went, oh my god, Shelley. You look gorgeous.   And I was just like, what a lovely thing to say. What a lovely and she just made me go all oozy inside.   So,  

[00:14:59] Unknown:

yeah. It's all it takes. Just It is. It's all it takes. Just spread a little bit of happiness about. You know?   And it's in, again, little things like that. I mean, most people don't have the confidence to even look up nowadays. Before even before the days of mobile phones. Right? And so I'm not even going there. But even before the days of mobile phones, I remember one of my first visits up to London when I was about 19.   And I was just amazed at how everyone walks around looking at the pavement because they're quite literally scared to make eye contact with people in case it causes a problem.   At least that was the impression I was given. My mate, Nick, who I'd gone up to visit, was the only person I knew I could I could visibly see. Me and him would walk around the streets like we were still in Cornwall. You know? Yeah. And, actually, it didn't cause a problem. Nobody kicked off. But I think   people lack the confidence nowadays   just to be nice to one another.  



[00:15:57] Unknown:

Yes. Yes. Unfortunately, you're right. I mean, I walk past people in the street, and I'm like, they're my friends on Facebook,   and they don't even say hello.   And I'm like, hello. I'm your Facebook friend.   Oh, yeah. Must must be a really good friend just because they're on Facebook. They must be. You know? But they can't even speak to me in real life. But   Facebook is not real life as we know.  

[00:16:18] Unknown:

Well, that just proves the point, doesn't it? It does. Absolutely proves the point. Yeah. I'm I'm confident to ask you to be my friend on some online platform, but I'm not I'm not prepared to be friendly to you in the street. What are you on about? That would involve engaging.   Yeah. But that's the problem, isn't it? Do you know what I mean? For me, that is long before mobile phones were an issue for me, I think mobile phones have really just   exasperated that situation or accentuated that situation where people are just   paranoid to engage.  

Yeah. But how lovely. How lovely for for her to just it's that's why little things like that are so important. So, you know, she turns around to you and says, oh, you're looking stunning. You're looking lovely. Whatever.   You know, just little engagements like that make you remember, oh, actually, everyone's human. I can hold my head up high and just be me. Yeah. Yeah. You know?  

[00:17:12] Unknown:

Yeah. I'm grateful to be this age, to be honest with you, to not worry too much about what people think and stuff like that. When I look at the younger generation, there are lots of them. They're, like, very,   I don't know. They did it's too much out of their comfort zone, and they're still at that for instance, okay, there was a young lady that came to the million women march,   and she wasn't sure if she wanted to be there because she was worried about her   university friends. She must have been about 19, I suppose.   And then they got the placards out with all the vaccine needles, and she was like, oh my god. And I said, what are you worried about? And she said, well, what if all my friends see me and stuff like that?  

And I just thought, I can't imagine   being that worried about what people think about me. But I'm sure there's been times   that there have been like that, and you think, who am I? But   But it's like someone was saying the other day, people will give you grief if you're really nice. People will give you grief no matter what to be fair, so you just as well to be your best version of yourself.  

[00:18:13] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look. I yourself.   I, Yeah. Absolutely. You've gotta have a bit of faith in yourself because who else is gonna have faith in you if you don't? And and as I've said for many, many years, confidence,   people,   confidence,   it's a trick. It's a lie.   Everyone's got something that they're scared that might go public. Like, oh, my God, I don't want I don't want you know, I had a dream last night where I was running around the streets naked. Oh, it was terrible. You know, everyone's got something   that they that would, you know, would tip them off balance. Everyone has. I don't care. The biggest bully in the world has got something that will tip them off balance.  

And   so so what does that tell you? It tells you that confidence is is essentially bravado, and it's a trick. And as soon as you enter a room and pretend   to be confident, hello everyone, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you might be dying inside. But as soon as you pretend to have confidence,   suddenly you appear to be the most confident person. It's a trick. It's absolutely a trick. So like when you're dealing with animals and stuff. So,   when I used to work for the dream where I used to work for that lady who did all the equestrian stuff. And,   she would, you know, she'd get various little apprentices in here and there to sort of, you know, muck out stables, but it meant they could spend time with the horses and all that kind of thing. She'd pay them for their time there, like fairly as well, not like, you know, all this other sort of,   crap work placements and things.  

And she'd sourced these young lasses herself locally, you know?   And I remember doing some work in one of the stables one day, and this young lass had to bring one of the, he was a young stallion back. So they're quite feisty, you know, young stallion.   And,   as she's walking back, the lady that I work for, obviously, won't mention any names and stuff, but she said, who's in control? And the the the girl said, I am. She said, who's in control? She said, I am.   And   she said, great. That's that's perfect. And because the horse knows if you think you're in control or if you if you don't. And the fact that there was one of her peers there   telling her that she had to be in control, she felt more like she had to and therefore   so, again and when and so when she came out, she said,   you know, you've just got to you've got to   show them who's boss. You've got to be boss. You don't have to you know, you've just got to be boss. She said, isn't that right? And I said, yes. Of course, that's right. I said, confidence is a trick in any   social circumstance, whether it's dealing with animals,   whether you know, dogs,   snakes quite literally can smell fear.  

That's most of the time. You know, you see their little tongue flicking in and out. Mhmm. They're tasting the air because they have a crap sense of smell.   And what they're looking for most of the time is,   the endorphins that give presence to fear.   So they literally can smell fear. They can smell adrenaline because you exude it when you sweat.   And so when snakes are going around   tasting the air, they're actually smelling it. And there's a lot of snakes that are really sort of,   adept at quite literally smelling those endorphins that are released when you're scared, when your heart's beating fast and blah blah blah blah. And, so they can literally smell fear. Animals can smell fear. I I I swear. I swear you can't. Massively.  

[00:21:29] Unknown:

I've had some big, like, horse problems with my last horse, and I couldn't brush him because   when I used to put that brush on him, I was like, say, like a kid who was so nervous, and he was just picking up on everything.   And he he wasn't a nice horse. He wasn't. He was a dom very dominant horse, and I couldn't, unfortunately, overcome that fear or confidence.   But my my dog is quite overpowering, you see. And we've had an instant tonight. We get them a few times a week, and we just accept it is our type of dog, and for well, not our breed. It's the way he is. Piran's had a friend around, and finally, his friend's been here feeling that he could stroke him and everything. And it was lovely seeing them all out there petting the dog. I mean, the dog thought he was in, like, a grooming salon on shore. But,   he was having such good fun. And then when I bought out the kids' tea, he wouldn't go in his bed.  

And when he's like that, I know what he's like, and he'll growl at me. And then I'll go and get his lead, and then he'll still growl at me again. And there is a part of me that's a little bit I'm swearing on the inside as well, but I'm not gonna give in because I'm boss.   And in the end You are boss. Yeah. You've got to carry on. And Yeah. He will go in his bed and then look at you, like, sheepishly, but he will always try to have Ham straight. The upper hand, my dog, unfortunately.  

[00:22:45] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:22:46] Unknown:

He what breed of dog is he? Is it Collie? No. He's a Springer, but he's always been compared to my last one. And we do believe that he, had a few things happen to him, like, in lockdown by a couple of kids and stuff.   But I wouldn't,   you know, I know we can have him on the bed with us and stuff like that, and he's absolutely fine. But if it's something he doesn't wanna do, he's like a snarly old man, and he thinks he's the boss until you, like, remind him,   actually, you're not, mate. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway Yeah.  

[00:23:13] Unknown:

So, again, confidence is a trick, isn't it? And it is socially as well. Definitely. You must enter the room and be larger than life. Otherwise, you will be smaller than life. And you don't wanna be smaller than you are.   You know? You've gotta be the person the best, as you said earlier, the best person you can be. Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you've come on as well, Maleficos,  

[00:23:34] Unknown:

because I I don't   think you've met mister Tommy Coyle before.   And, Tommy has just entered the room. If you just wanna unmute yourself,   Tommy, my lovely.   Tommy is musician, activist,   activist, very deep person, songwriter, Maleficus. You'd have a lot in common.   And, yeah, he's he's come on slightly early. I I was messaging everybody. Somebody, please.   But, Tommy, come on there. If you unpress the mute thing, my lovely, or do I have to do it my end? Let me No. You do it yourself, I think, at the bottom of the screen there. Perhaps he's not quite ready. Perhaps he's not quite ready. Yeah. That's that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's exciting. I'm looking forward to that. That's that's cool.  

[00:24:15] Unknown:

Yeah. So, I mean, are you dressed to do video, or would you rather stay as you are? I I I yeah. I'm I'm in my birthday suit. I'm in my birthday suit. By all means, just put camera on. No. I literally, I'm wearing a shirt. And and the the the shirts have the the the little model bits have now dried out, so that's all good. Alright. Okay. When Tommy comes, we'll do video. We'll be brave. We'll be brave. We'll do video. Thank you. Video because that's how we rock these days, isn't it? Moving up in the mud. Mind. I don't mind. And all of that sort of stuff.   I'm not I don't know about being modern, but I don't mind. I don't yeah. I don't mind people knowing what I look like and things like that. This is I'm not that worried. So, yeah, it's fine. You're not that bad a sight to look at.  



[00:24:56] Unknown:

Oh, there's Tommy. Right. Let's get everybody   in the room.   Let me remove that.   Good evening, Tommy.   Hang on. Let's add my camera as well.  

[00:25:10] Unknown:

Tommy, you'll need to to unmute, old boy. It's the button in the middle of the screen at the bottom.   It's just you should have a little   thing crossed off the bottom there, a little microphone with a mouse in the middle. Just keep running. At the bottom. Lovely.  

[00:25:28] Unknown:

Oh,   looking confused.   It's alright. Just take a second.   Yeah. Take your time. There's no rush. No rush. We don't we we're here just like, you gotta go with it now, haven't you? Because there's no point in getting the rest. Are you putting us on video, by the way? Well, I was trying to. Yeah.  

[00:25:46] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Hang on. Oh, I just Oh. There. Look. There I am. There you are. There I am. Hello, sir. And then   and I can't hang on. Let me get there's three of us auto. You need to press there's a little camera thing at the bottom with a cross through it you need to press, Shelley.  

[00:26:02] Unknown:

It's not there, Maleficus.   It's not there. It's not? And I'm adding the auto   link.   Oh, nearly heard you, Tommy. Speak.  

[00:26:13] Unknown:

Woo hoo hoo. Woo hoo. Woo hoo. Woo hoo. Woo hoo. Woo hoo. Yay.  

[00:26:16] Unknown:

There he is. There he is. Hello, Tommy. Nice to meet you. Oh, boy.  

[00:26:20] Unknown:

Good. Nice to meet you too, mate. Yeah. Right. So I've got two of my friends out. I think I'll stay off camera because I just can't get on.   Okay. Well, you ask the questions, and we'll we'll be a freshener for when you're on your bar. Tell you what? I'll just I'll just enable my oh, there we are. Right. We're all here. Right. Mister Coyle, how lovely to see you. And I don't see you very often without a hat on.  

[00:26:45] Unknown:

Yeah.   I was looking for the beanie, actually, and I couldn't find it. So   I was scrambling around the room like, where is it? And then I was like, I better just get get on it now. But yeah. Because I just shaved my head.  

[00:26:57] Unknown:

Oh, the joy of being able to do that. Yeah. I feel like doing that at the moment because I've got a frozen shoulder, and I can only get my hand so high. And I'm using the other hand twisting my hair and a hat. I've quite got into my hats lately as well. It's quite easy just to cover up your bad hair day, ain't it?  

[00:27:12] Unknown:

Frozen shoulder. What's that about?  

[00:27:15] Unknown:

Well, I can literally   only go that high. I'm like, hail Hitler.   I had it before a few years ago on the other side, but it just means I'm really limited.   And it can take up to, like, eighteen months to two years to just disappear.   Just happens for no reason.   They reckon it's more of a woman thing, that time of life, low levels of estrogen and stuff like that. But I could have a cortisol injection, but people really don't recommend   that neither. So   I'm just very limited and just a bit bit awkward putting seat belts on and things like that. But, anyway, enough of that in.   Thank you, G. That sounds that sounds unpleasant. Sorry to hear that. Oh, bless you. No. It's fine. Anyway, how are you? Enough about me. How,   I see you've not long ago just, is it called White Pill, your new song?  

Right. That's White Pill. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Looking good. So tell the listeners, Tommy, a bit about how you got into your activism and your music stuff.  

[00:28:15] Unknown:

I I guess because I was really against the lockdowns, and none of my peers were against the lockdowns   on the sort of music scene.   And, you know, I gave it a few weeks   to sort of give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but then when it went on longer and longer,   I felt like I was going crazy. And then I I started to just   talk about it all the time, like, twenty four seven, and it and it still really affects me. I mean, I just I just made a post on Facebook about how,   like, that really, really affected me.   And it seems like people these days, they walk around as if it didn't happen, and it that annoys me even more. So this is why sometimes I think about I might leave the country.  

Because, like, when I go out and I I try to talk to people, like, in Leeds,   people don't accept that what happened was trauma based mind control. They don't they don't accept that was tyranny. They they talk about it like it was just  

[00:29:08] Unknown:

some thing that had to happen. And it really Yeah. Do you remember the lockdown years, man? You remember the lockdown years? Yeah. And it's all talked about a little bit. Yeah.   Yeah. Crazy.   It's just swept aside now as part of, oh, well, that was then.   You know? People have people are just trained to have very, very short memories, I think, nowadays.  

[00:29:29] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, I I get it. In one way, it's like   it's sort of it's it's over, and we got more things to talk about, so people talk about other things. You can't talk about one thing forever.   But I never felt like like we all got an apology   for being against that thing, and and it's been proved to be wrong.   And it's like, we're all trying to move on with our life and everything,   but it's like,   I feel   I don't I don't I don't know whether   it's   it's just me or whether everyone's traumatized and they just won't admit it or whether   I should just get on with everything.  

But, yeah, I feel like it still really,   like, affects me, and and it probably affects you guys too.   I'm not saying it's just me, but it's like   it it it was, like, really dark. I felt I felt a real darkness around that, and it and it never went away since since it happened.   Anyway, I I so I started making music about it, and that was the that was the original question on it. No. No. That's fantastic.  

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So did you write music before lockdown?  

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I did, but my first album is, like, about relationships   and just   it's just it's a pretty normal indie album. But the album I'm gonna be releasing this year is called Medical Misinformation,   and it's and it's about all that stuff that happened. And, so I I felt like I've got I've I've got, like, a niche in the indie market   because an artist who's similar to me,   do you know Jake Bug?  

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Oh, yes. I do. Yes.  

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Okay. He's similar to many. He's like indie folk. Indie folk rock,   or Oasis is is probably a more famous example. But, Jake Bugg, he if you look him up on the Internet, he was encouraging people to take the the v   to come to his shows.   And that's probably, yeah, that's probably because his his his management and his record label, they tell him. And it's the same with a band called Las Vegas from Scotland.   They canceled their biggest date on their tour because they said they got c o v I d,   and they had to cancel.   And I these are all, like, my favorite rock and rollers, and they're   I I'm assuming they're just taking   their messages from their management who are telling them they've got to push the the the the COVID propaganda.  

But, like, it's like imagine canceling a rock and roll show because the band has COVID.  

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Man, that's no rock and roll.  

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And, like, this is like these are like the like, if you don't know Las Vegas, they're like basically the the Scottish oasis.  

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They're like hard, hard fucking guys.   And they canceled a massive, massive show, and they put out a message. And they said, we we have to cancel because I've got this virus,   and I'm really sick.   And   I was like, what the fuck is going on? How what? How sorry. Am I supposed to swear?   I was like like, what the what the hell is going on?   Like, at least just say I'm sick, but don't say you're sick with the c to the o to the v to the I to the d.   No. It's just it's just it really,  

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you know Bandwagon. Bandwagon much. Yeah. I mean and, obviously, you know, what the biggest thing about all that is, I mean, you've obviously lost a bit of faith in these guys   as so you should.   It's rather like,   you know, the best dad in the world, Dave Grohl, isn't it? You know? You can't come to any go to any of his gigs unless you he was billed as the the best dad in the world, like,   a few years back. You know?   And Dave Grohl wouldn't let anyone into the Foo Fighters gigs unless they'd had their vaccinations either.   So  

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Can we use the c and the v words on this, by the way? Absolutely.  

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We're not on YouTube. Yeah. We're not on YouTube. You won't get banned here, mate. Oh, we're not oh, alright. It's it's rumble. I haven't been on rumble before. Alright. Alright. Okay. That's why I use it, actually, because I think I was on my last strike for YouTube, and I just thought, oh, this is getting ridiculous.   Gonna lose everything if somebody says something wrong. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Yeah. It's pointless as well. You gotta go where the where where you can at least speak even if people don't like what you say and you get done for it afterwards. It's you know, you've gotta go somewhere where you can at least speak. So we're going at a radiosoapbox.com   as well,   which is, you know, obviously, that's just Internet radio, but,   completely free speech there as well. So  

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Yeah. And it will stay that way. I'm sure.   So, I mean, I I browse through some of your stuff, Tommy, and I listened to quite a few bit of your stuff actually because you're you're very deep. And I think, actually, you've gone through, like, an immense amount of healing   throughout this as well, haven't you? Challenging yourself and stuff to stop drinking. You've been like I was reading one of your reports about how you start your daily routine by journaling and stuff.  

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Yeah. You know, I guess that was because   I I spent all that time vlogging about the the lockdowns.   And when that came to an end,   I I guess just when you're on the Internet and a lot of stuff is is to do with content and vlogging, I was like, well, I want to continue this because it   I like it, and, also,   I,   it's just something that you need to do if you wanna get yourself out there is to is to vlog a lot. So I needed I needed to sort of I couldn't just carry on vlogging about the lockdowns forever because now that they're over, but I was like, what is the   next thing that I should do? And I thought, well, it's like   I think for all of us, we need to heal from from what happened.  

And so I was like, I need to heal myself, my own traumas,   and,   that seemed the common sense thing to do. And in the freedom community, that seems to be quite a big thing anyway. It seems like you can't control the external world, but what you can control is   your sort of your  

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own reaction to it all and and the way that you process it all. So Well said, sir. Well said, sir. Because we all have to part it you know, it's   we all come at this from different angles, but we all know it was wrong.   And you you've got you're only responsible for your own actions and your own reactions. I was having this conversation with a friend of mine, you know, literally yesterday,   because he said, oh, can we have a chat about this, that, and the other night? And I said, look, you know, it's not necessarily   the opposite party. It's what you take from it, and it's how you react to it.  

And so so this writing this album then has been a bit of a healing process for you then, or or is it just the way it's it's come? Because I wasn't actually aware that we were speaking to you. Otherwise, I would have done my research, sir, and actually gone out and listened to some of it.  

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Yeah. Well, I mean yeah. I I put out a song called Vaccine Day, and   that was, like, put on David Icke's website.   And it got it's it got it started to get tons of views, which was exciting to watch the views go up. And when it got to I think it was   is it 15,000   or it was even 15 maybe it was 1,500,   but it was going up really fast. So it would have gone to, like, 15,000.   It got pulled for medical misinformation.  

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Right.  

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Yeah. And and so I had a music video that was pulled off the Internet for medical misinformation. Right? And if you remember a band called The Prodigy   I do. Right, they had a song a music video   pulled down, and it was called Smack My Bitch Up. Yes. Right? And when when the the when the video was pulled, it was a huge controversy around England because it was like they they pulled this video, and, like, everyone was talking about it. And I   I was like, this is this is huge. I've just had a video pulled. Right?   Nobody gave a shit about it at all. It was just pulled, and that was it. Like, I I think about five people not knew about it.  

And so that was, like, really big for me because I was like, I've just worked on this song. It's a really good song. It's really important song. It's called vaccine day. It's quite relevant, not like the Arctic Monkeys.   The fucking Arctic Monkeys who who talk about everything   in their fucking music, every little nuance of every little bit of life. Right? But they don't talk about the fucking biggest thing that happened in their whole lifetime.   Bleak.   Right? So I I thought You've gotta give the man his passion. Yes. I I can't I can't say the f word, but I can say the c and the v.  

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You do it the other way around. I get it. Okay.  

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Say what you like. Okay. Sorry.  

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Yeah.   But yeah. So that video was pulled for medical misinformation,   and   it was, like, it was kinda cool that I I got to tell a few people about it, and I we I went on a tour with Jam for Freedom with a few other artists, and   we did, like, an anti lockdown tour. And that was cool to meet all those new friends.   But no one in the normie community   ever gave me credit   for for, one,   putting out a song about what was going on, and, two, the fact that isn't this something you know, you think I might get a bit of exposure for for having a music video pulled, but I've got I've got such low subscribers, and I I'm not surprised. And and I'm not like   you know, like, part of it is, like, I need to work on my marketing skills because my marketing skills aren't that good. But I kinda thought, surely, like, I'm, like, quite relevant at the moment, and I'm not I'm not getting any views or any   no one gives it an effort. You're probably massively  

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shadow banned.   Massively. Because I think Facebook people always say to me, oh, I didn't see your post, Shelley. I didn't see anything you put up. And sometimes I put posts up. They don't get one like. And I think people say, like, you know, every now and then, slip a photo in of a cat or something. Change the algorithms.   But, yeah, I know what you're saying. I'm sorry that one. Especially   when you've done all that work. You know, it's just like the radio now as well. I feel a bit like that sometimes. You think you do all of this work and stuff like that. And,   but then I think, do you know what? I do it. This is my hobby. This is the one thing   that I do each week, and women's hour on a Sunday. And it it gives me something to focus on because otherwise, I don't, you know, I don't know what I would do at the moment, to be fair, because it's just like and I've been doing it for four years now, and it's like, this is just what I do.  

But, you know,  

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you but you did you did have some good exposure at the time before it got big. You went on Rich Allen and stuff, didn't you? Well, I just I called Rich Allen on the on the phone, and he didn't invite me on or anything. But, like, I I called up, and I I got to chat to him. And,   you know, I I got to go to the protest and meet people there. You know, that was amazing.   But it's like when when that all ended and, like, now nowadays,   I only really see the freedom community a few times a year because of the festivals. I don't really hang about with them.   So I'm in this place where I'm like, I'm single, and I'm like I I go out   into Leeds, and   I don't know whether it's just my normal social anxiety or whether I actually don't want to talk to people.  

That's the thing. It's like I'm confused about it now. I'm like, should I move to another country? Like, am I act   am I actually sick of people now? Can I can I only connect with the Freedom Community people who get me, or is that just an excuse for me to   because, you know, I'm sure there's a lot so many people in Leeds? I'm sure a lot of people understand where I'm coming from.  

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But it's it was a big thing. They definitely do. I think there's a lot more people   hold these thoughts   than than we give them credit for as as other individuals that, you know, everyone's got their own ideas about why it happened,   what actually happened, whether it was necessary or not. And I think you'll, by and large, even the older generation I know so many   old folks in their seventies   and eighties, and one of them's just turned 90, who's turned around and said, I'll never have another one of those jabs. What was all that about?   You know? So I think it's a lot more widespread than you think, but it's very easy to feel isolated about the whole thing.  

In   England?   And   then   you   get   into,   well,   how   did   that   occur   in England?   And then you get into, well, how did that occur   in America exactly the same time? Oh, actually,   the whole flipping world, pretty much.   Exactly the same time. Everyone was dancing to the same tune. So it opens up a whole lot of uncomfortable   questions   that people either don't want to ask or simply can't be bothered   to ask.   And then,   so people just tend to keep their their feelings and thoughts to themselves because, do you know what, it's a lot easier after doing a forty, forty five hour week to just go home, turn on the telly, and say, no. It's probably right.  

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there was even a there was an open mic night in Leeds at the   oh, I forget the name of it now. Right? But, basically,   they wouldn't let me perform at this open mic night when I messaged the guy who hosts it.   And he said, sorry. Based on your Instagram, I I don't think,   you know, know, we want you to play here. And,   I I posted, like, his messages to me on social media. And, obviously, all the thing is, I what I love about this, all my friends come to my rescue all the time, and that's what I love about this. Like, so they they, like like, went on to the page and, like, they were,   like, mess like, saying, like, what an idiot he was and stuff. So that has been nice, but it's like, I've never not been allowed to play an open mic night in my life before until  

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what are you saying? Political.  

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What are you saying? I can't I can't play I didn't even say I wanted to play my anti lockdown songs. I just can't play because of my views about what happened.   And I think I think that's the trauma based mind control. It's like the parasites   is kicking in and saying, oh, he he might wake me up   here. Yeah. And, like, we we can't have we can't have people waking up to the parasite. It's, like, attached itself to the entire nation. And it and it, like that's why, like, people like us, we get shouted at because that's like the the parasite,  

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like, that's going, he's an anti lockdowner.   Keep him away. He's gonna wake me up. He's gonna wake up my trauma.  

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I think there's something like that going on.  

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What do you think?   Possibly. But, I mean, I think I think largely, I think   the people that lined up don't take this the wrong way, but the people that lined up and took the jab   out of fear   will now be in complete denial   about the hows and whys because nobody likes Aegon Face, maybe? And I'm not criticizing anyone that went out and took the jab. People were scared enough to do so. People were scared into doing it by their own mainstream media,   by their own government,   by   by every force and principality around them. They were forced into a decision as far as they were concerned. Because the government's here to look after us. Right? We pay our taxes. I mean, if we if the government's not here to look after us, why are we paying taxes? That's the first that's gotta be one of the first cognitive things that people are gonna think. Exactly. Exactly.   But but, of course, they were all here to look after us, you know, rather like the BBC was here to look after us when they kept Jimmy Savile on for thirty years. Yeah. People just don't make the connections or don't want to because it   then unearths an awful lot of uncomfortable questions.  



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Yeah. And and the thing is, right, all these questions,   even if we haven't resolved it all, we on on YouTube and on all these, like, big shows to get lots of views, these are the sorts of conversations that we need to be having. Right? But   we're not. Like, I actually just posted something to Facebook about this because there's a lot of videos on YouTube   which,   say like, there's one called there is a darkness in The UK,   and it got it got it went viral. And this guy's in his car talking about how there's a darkness in The UK. Right? But he doesn't really mention the lockdowns and the vaccines. Not really. He he says since that happened, there's been a darkness. Right? But he he just talks about it like,   like, you know, that had to be done, but there's a darkness now. But they don't.  

What annoys me, he doesn't go into the whole thing about that was outrageous, like, where we should be.   He doesn't go into the activism thing.   He just, like, comments on it. And and people in the comments are saying, yeah. I agree. Since 2020, there has been a bit of a darkness in The UK, and there is a bit of a darkness now. People are not as friendly anymore. And I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah. But it's just so annoying because they just talk about it. Like   like, yeah. There is a darkness because we were on fucking house arrest for a year. And, like, why why aren't we protesting against it? Yeah. Why aren't you, like, shouting about it and, like, going to the front and, like, shout and, like, saying how wrong it was, but you're just saying, oh,  

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this is what you're doing.   I think a lot of people, though, that have been   jabbed,   they're almost   unable to feel   now. You can tell those that have been jabbed.   You can. There's almost like a blank expression with some people that there never used to be. I know a few people   say it.  

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And let's face it. Yeah. I mean, I can't say I've noticed that. Can you not? Oh, I can. Well, I I can't say that I have, but I don't know. I don't necessarily the only I only know that people have been jabbed if they volunteer the information, and it's not something that I ask, if you know what I mean. You? Have you had your past have you had your COVID jab?  

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God. What would be different if I still worked in the care community, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. But it is mental, isn't it? When you look back four years ago to get your health passed and everything like that and people trying to book holidays, and it was like, well, actually, if I just pretend that I've done a PCR test and I've got COVID, then, actually, it means I won't have to have a jab for a year.   But finding all of these ways   out of it, so to speak. You know?   But no. I don't know. I don't know. Is is there an extra darkness? I don't know. I don't think people have got a lot to be happy about. Have they really?  

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Well, I think   I I think you're right. Absolutely.   Is there an extra darkness? I think it's just come layer on layer, year in, year out   from the year dot.   You know, our battle on this planet is not necessarily against physical form, but, you know, against powers   and the will of those who have got the money to throw   at shutting down an entire planet in one go.   That's that's quite an uncomfortable thought, isn't it?  

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It is. And and the money they threw at it, they I think it cost just over 30,000,000   to provide track and trace.  

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Who did who did it cost, though, Shannon? Well, yes. Who did it cost? Well, exactly. We're we're forever in debt, aren't we? But all these big things now. The the the bank the the Bank of England loaned   the the British government the money at interest as it always does   for the purpose of rolling out furloughs,   stopping people from going to work by paying them not to go to work while   companies like Amazon   rolled out a whole new fleet of electric vehicles in Cornwall alone.   You know, it was a massive,   massive power grab   at the same time as shutting people up. And   essentially   sodomizing   them while putting a £20 note over their mouth while they did it. You know? That's sorry to be really harsh and blunt about it, but that's exactly what happened to the British public. And I'm getting that sort of passion from you. I can't wait to listen to your songs. So I've got there's a chat here in the chat,   called Warren. He's a regular on a regular listener to Shelley's show.  

He says, I like Tommy Tommy's way of thinking. Great stuff indeed. He's right over the target.  

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So there you go. You have got people listening. That is what we need. We need passionate people, don't we? And I love the way that you do that through your music, through your broadcast and stuff because they're very personal as well. You just do, like, a ten minute,   like, little speech about something. I love that.   And I think they're all really valid points. You get a lot of really good comments, don't you, because you're so open.   And it's nice to see a man be really open.  

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Yeah. I mean, like,   I I I've also, like, been influenced by the friends that I made who who are like that. Like, I I went on a tour with   a few other artists in 2022,   and I I learned a lot from them. Like, have you heard of Lucas Lyon and Inspector Veg?   They're both artists. Like, Lucas Lyon had a song called Nineteen Eighty Four, and it was pulled off YouTube. And and if you haven't heard that, Shelley, you'd you'd love that song because it it just basically it's it's a rap song about  

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is that about what happened? Have you heard that? No? No. I haven't heard that. Look at that. I haven't heard that. At that. Oh, wow. Yeah. I'll have to drop a link. Yeah. After the show, I'll definitely have a little listen. But then you've got the likes,   Tommy and Shelley. You've got the likes of I Am May. I don't know whether you've heard of her Carmageddon   video. I did actually send it to you, Shelley, and said, yeah, you should get this lass on your show.   So I Am May, Australian artist, apparently   told her record company to, you   know, leave   quite unpleasantly in no in no uncertain terms. You know, she didn't want anything to do with them over the fact that they wanted her to change her lyrics.  

And the Carmageddon video is is basically all about,   the lies that were sold to the public,   how Fauci is now rolling in it in America and blah. She's not been kicked off of YouTube   for misinformation.   I wonder why.   Maybe now it's serving a purpose.   Do you get what I mean?  

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Yep.   Have have you heard about   I'm sorry. Have you heard of someone called Gary Vaynerchuk?  

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I haven't. Sorry. I'm incredibly uncultured.  

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You   basically, I met because I just put I met I made a a recent Facebook,   video, and I mentioned him. And I wasn't having a go at him personally, but it's people exactly like him who are a big part of the problem. Right? Because they're influencers on social media, and they they've got millions of followers.   And he puts out tons and tons and tons of content, and he's a really nice guy, and I really like him. Like, if I met him, I I you know, I'm a fan.   But, like, he doesn't talk about what happened at all.   And and and I'm assuming that's because   you if you talk about that stuff, you get shadowbound and he's probably he's probably he's got shares in Facebook, so he's probably   friends with Mark Zuckerberg. So there's probably some conflict of interest there. But I think what what is happening with his silence is what is happening with all of these people.  

It's like   they say that they're authentic, but they're not. Because as soon as as soon as you are like, well, I can't talk about the biggest thing that happened in history because I might get my channel pulled. Well, why don't you just, like,   have no values at all then?   You know? You say They don't have integrity. They say they say that they they say that they have values, and he's always talking about kindness and blah blah blah. And the thing is, what what's confusing is he probably does have have strong values,   but but he just made a business decision to not talk about that. And I'm like, well, you don't have values then. No. I mean, and I mean, it makes me think, if I actually somehow got a big following,   is it just the human condition that I'm gonna start to censor myself to? Like, oh, well, I won't talk about, the Vee anymore   and the COVID because, I've got I've got, I've got a salary. I've got a check now from my record company, and they they told me not to talk about it, so I won't.  

Do you know what I mean? Well, it it it it it it it it where's  

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your integrity,   isn't it? You know? Where's your integrity? And the thing is,   what really frustrates me about these,   particularly you say, if he's got shares in Facebook and he's a friend of Mark Zuckerberg or whatever,   then I   don't wanna I don't wanna tire the guy with a brush because   I don't do social media, so I don't I've never seen the guy.   But he's obviously compromised in some way, shape, or form. And, you know, he's obviously been told, if you talk about that, we'll pull we'll pull your content.   And he's got it on a nice little earner,   so he ain't gonna talk about it. So where's the integrity?  

There isn't any.  

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I I I feel like it almost   because because I've studied this because I I obviously, like I'm on social media and all that, and I've checked all my favorite celebs and all my favorite content creators,   and they're all doing exactly the same thing in unison.   So I'm this is what got me crazy because I was like, I don't even think they're being told. I think it's almost like it's an instinct   that they realize that they can't because it's it's   the same instinct that, like, made like, made me that made made me a bit scared in the beginning not to post.   And then I kind of just I was like, you know, fuck it. F it.  

I'm gonna do it because I got nothing to lose. But,   you know, a lot of these guys, yeah, they they they sell themselves by saying that they have integrity.   And Yeah.  

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It's it's it's And we're on your side about various aspects, but, no, we don't talk about that. I mean, have you ever heard the expression the best way to beat the opposition is to become the opposition?   No. So what's that? Okay. Because that's that's a quote from Lenin   during the Bolshevik revolution.   But the best way to beat the opposition   is to become the opposition. And that's when they came up with Operation Trust, which is akin to,   what they would call QAnon today.   Just a whole load of nonsense going on in the background to make the public believe that there's a group of knights in shining armor on their side so that they don't get off their fat asses and do anything.   Yeah. And that's what Operation Trust was about. That's what QAnon, as far as I'm concerned, is all about.  

It's it's to provide a get out clause for all those people who don't really quite like to do something, but don't know how to go about it. And, oh, look. Someone's already doing something, so I don't have to. Yeah.  

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I also think that, like, peep because I I I study, like, my friends and what they are doing, like, the my friends that I grew up with and,   my sort of the people around me. And I'm I'm looking at them, and I'm thinking, why are they not saying anything? And I think it's like they look to say say you watch   Match of the Day,   and Roy Keane isn't saying anything about it, and Gary Linek isn't saying anything about it. And then so people just subconsciously, they they they think they look to, like, these people. They got like, is Gary Neville gonna say something?   And then when when they don't say anything, they're like, oh, it's not happening.  

Yeah. So there's no tyranny going on. Social condition. Relax.   Yeah. But   but I I never thought that it so you know you know how back back in the day, people would say, oh, well, there couldn't be an Illuminati   because,   someone in the chain would break the chain. That's why it couldn't happen. Well, what happened in 2020, it proved that the Illuminati could easily exist because   they made an order or someone made an order. I'm not calling it the Illuminati, but some kind of global control.   If if that proved in 2020 that that could easily be a thing. And even though I can point to it, people don't agree with that either.  

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See, any rational thinking person would come to that conclusion, wouldn't they? Any rational thinking person would come to that conclusion. How do you get the whole world to all shut down at once?   And when I turned this you'll this'll make you laugh. When I turned around to my old man and said,   dad, don't don't get   don't even take any of this on board. Quit with the fear mongering nonsense. It's all nonsense.   And he said,   oh, not this conspiracy   stuff again.   And I said, What do you mean?   I said,   They're expecting the public to be stupid about this. Come on.   And he went, How do you know? You know, how do you know you're right? Someone would have, someone would have spilled the beans somewhere along the line. Someone, as you say, would have broken the chain. They would have they would have broken confidence and let it all out because they couldn't bear what was going on with humanity.  

And I'm like, you really think,   you really think that the public are that clever? I said,   three months ago, we had a toilet roll shortage, and everyone went out and bought it.   That's how stupid and gullible the public are. Do you know, I got shown a photograph of a woman back in Asda   about three months after the lockdowns had ended with a shopping   trolley full   of toilet rolls at the returns desk. Can you flipping believe?   So that's how gullible the public are.   So there's very little want   to do because life's hard enough, man. Do you know I've done a forty hour week this week? Or, you know,   my my kids are doing this, and the and the dog's barking, and the house is a mess. I haven't got time to think about all this, Tom. I'm sorry, man. You know? That's half the time, that's what it is. It's just they're all wrapped up. And the the fact is the reason they're struggling so much to get through their their lives, and they're always struggling with bills, and they're struggling with stress because there's the kids don't conform to the system at school, and they don't conform to the system in real life, and blah. All this stress is is brought about by one group of people making us live in a way that we shouldn't be.  

That's the bottom line, really. You know, when you consider that the Bank of England is English by name only and charges interest to our government to print the money,   and they reap the benefits and they make money out of simply creating out of thin air,   then you have a recipe,   really, for a very small group of people   to have a very, very large voice as to what is gonna go on with the planet.   And that's exactly what happened in 2020.   And the toilet roll thing was literally just the toe in the water. Is the public ready for this worldwide?   Oh, yeah. Let's go for it. This is definitely the time. Look. They're all scrabbling for toilet roll. Don't you think you need food before you need toilet roll? You know?  



[00:59:24] Unknown:

It it is crazy because my birthday is, what, March,   and that was when they just announced that we were gonna   go into lockdown. And my brother turned up with, a toilet roll for me for my birthday,   for my present. But I can remember seeing people out in the supermarkets, people I know, and, like, filling their, you know, cowpaw bottles of cowpawl food, and you would speak to these people. And I was really adamant. I wasn't gonna panic by because if we all do that,   people are gonna be left   without food. Fulfilling process. Yeah. It really is. Fulfilling process. And you would hear, like, oh, well, I've got sick mum at home. Yeah. I've got a sick mum at home and stuff like that. And, you know, there was times I couldn't get certain things, and my son was very fussy eater at the time. And I only get, like, certain biscuits, didn't have a very good diet at all. And I can remember when I was working at the   I would bring home you know, those little prepackets of biscuits you get because I couldn't get any biscuits in the in the shops? It's mental, isn't it, when you look back on that now? I mean, that's only four years ago.  

Couldn't get the general things that I needed.   But   yeah. But that's when it comes down to it, people will always be, I'll look after my own, but I just couldn't be that person that would go out and   fill those empty those shelves. You know? But we're not like that. So  

[01:00:39] Unknown:

No.   So where can we where where can I get a sample of your music? Well, I'm gonna play a bit in a minute. Oh, that's brilliant.  

[01:00:47] Unknown:

We've come to we've come to the end of the hour. Well, that went really quick, didn't it? Yeah. So,   people can find you on Facebook. Where else can they find you, Tommy?   Instagram,   YouTube?  

[01:00:59] Unknown:

I've got a, a podcast on bitshoot.com   and odyssey.com.   That's that's why I do the bit podcast, and then the music's on YouTube. And, I'm I'm gonna like,   late late this year, I'll put on an album and, probably get a website up and stuff, but I've not been very good with the marketing, but I'll I'll get on all that. You're on it. You're on it. Well, thanks so much for your time  

[01:01:19] Unknown:

to come back again because it's always lovely to have a chat with you, and I'm glad to see you're so passionate about it all when, you're really excited to hear. I I'm chuffed as well. Yeah. I'm chuffed as well. Really, really happy to meet you, mate. It's an an nice to meet another truth seeker. Right? Yeah. Well, I hope I can see you in real life this this year some some how some way. Are you off to the stand in the light festival?   No. I don't really do festivals. I'm too old for all of that, Tommy.  

[01:01:43] Unknown:

Oh, you're not too old. I I like the universe.  

[01:01:47] Unknown:

No. No. I I don't even like going to the Eden project because I have to walk up that massive hill when all those people no. No. Glastonbury, I see it on the TV, and I think, no. I wouldn't wanna be there. Wouldn't wanna be there. Not glass not Glastonbury. No. Not Glastonbury. But but standing the light last year, it's beautiful. Yeah. But, yeah, anyway. Yeah. If we if we were guaranteed really hot weather and stuff, you'd think, yeah, I'll camp out for a few days, make a holiday out of it. But, yeah, we will catch up, meet up in real life one day. But right. Well, thank you so much for your time, Tommy. I am gonna   play   your song now, White Pill. So I'm gonna take, the screen down. I can't play the video because I haven't worked out how to do that via OBS, but,   we will be back after this song. And, Tommy, you take care, my lovely. And Okay. Fine for that, Shelley. You said. No. You're really welcome. We'll see you in a minute, guys.  

Okay. Great. Thank you. You. You.   And press the background   button.   Yep. Sorry. I have to do all of this. Right. This is   White   Pill by Tommy.  

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Hey.  

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Silence this in.  

[01:02:57] Unknown:

I can hear   Right. Well, I'm gonna interrupt the silence because apparently, it's not playing on rumble.   What I should have done was downloaded it,   but it was just very last minute.   I will put a link   to Tommy's music in the notes from this afterwards. But, yeah, look him up. So while I quickly run and get a drink, I'm just gonna   quickly play,   and you will be able to play this because   we'll be able to hear this because it is an MP three. Mister Graham Hart, there's a storm coming.  

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Coming.  

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There's a storm   coming.   You won't hear it from up above my heart. It's the clash   of hidden love.   No one can stop it. It's time I come.   There's no way to hide,   no way to run. There's a storm coming.   There's a storm   coming.   You have to see it. It's in your face.   You see the lies all over the place.   It's your decision   which road you take,   but stand up and call it when you know it's fair.   Which side you're taking the choice is yours.   Or are you staying down on all fours?   Get off your knees and be a man   instead of a fight like you know we're gonna have to.   There's a storm   coming.  

So much confusion has   No more evil in my land.   I've drawn my line in the sand.   Your time is over. Your time has come.   This time you're going.   No more evil in my land.  

[01:07:28] Unknown:

And there we are.   Right. Welcome to part two.   Let's bring me and Maleficos back.   Duo.   Oh, there we are. Hello, missus Scott.  

[01:07:43] Unknown:

Hello, missus Tasker.   Hello, boys and girls.  

[01:07:48] Unknown:

Oh, we could do so. Are we all sitting comfortably?   You've got you have got the voice for stories.  

[01:07:54] Unknown:

Perhaps you could do that. Go in and talk about history. I've got a I've got a ghost story for you in a bit. Cornish ghost story. Another one. Good. Good. Looking forward to it. The the rabbit of Eglashale.   If anyone's heard it, don't tell anyone else.  

[01:08:08] Unknown:

Well, you always enlighten me with something interesting.   What a top bloke Tommy was. Yeah. He is. He's lovely. Should I say? He is a nice guy. Yeah. I've just put the link up of his song in the rumble   chat thing. Okay. Lovely job. I will have a little listen to that. Sing day and stuff. They're really good. Yeah. He's a really top bloke top bloke.  

[01:08:26] Unknown:

Yes. Well, it was nice to have a chat. I mean, it's it's nice to see someone that's so passionate about it. Yes. Definitely. Definitely. That's really what we need. All we need. And just, you know, this whole thing about talking to people about it,   he's right. You know, you've gotta just keep,   you know, not necessarily all like he says, not necessarily all the same subjects, but you just gotta keep   plugging away at people. They'll get it eventually. It's not their fault they've had the wool pulled over their eyes. You know?  

[01:08:53] Unknown:

Yeah. Unfortunately. Unfortunately.   Yeah. We can just keep talking, and that is why we are here.   So That is exactly why we're here. So tell me, mister Scott, what have you been up to? How did your first music day go?  

[01:09:08] Unknown:

My first oh, yeah. Of course. So my first music day, my first designated music day in the studio actually went alright. It went alright. Didn't go too bad. So I've got a long list of, I say a long list, probably   seven, eight, maybe 10 tunes that,   have been on a back burner for, like, four years, really,   because I've been doing music with another chap, and we've sort of parted company, you know, all the responsibilities   and stuffs.   So, yeah,   what I'm basically doing is just putting together   all the ideas   for each song. I'm gonna do a song a week. That's my plan, is to get a song done a week, just roughly,   and then polish the ones that I think are worth polishing, if you get what I mean. So,   and well, as you know, because I actually I did actually send you the   the the product of last Friday's   day in the studio. Oh, yeah. It went alright, I thought. What did you think? I liked it. I liked it. Yeah. And go you.  



[01:10:12] Unknown:

I mean, I find it very hard working at home.   So, like, were you, like, right 09:00   at your desk  

[01:10:20] Unknown:

writing? What were you doing? How many breaks did you have?   Did your day actually start at midday?   My day started at about   half eleven.  

[01:10:31] Unknown:

So you did you did half a day?  

[01:10:34] Unknown:

Yeah. But the thing is achieve. The thing is you cannot you cannot just switch on   creativity, darling. It just doesn't happen.   And to be honest, it takes me   ages to write lyrics.   I'm I've got loads of I've got probably twenty,   thirty songs   or or riffs and ideas for stuff. But   lyrics, I always struggle with lyrics because   you're your own worst critic always, aren't you? So and I like to sort of chisel things so that they can be,   they they they have a meaning and a point for me personally, but they can be ambiguous enough for other people to take other things from them, if if you get what I mean. I think in in some respects, that kind of what makes,   for me, that's kinda what makes a good song. I remember my old bandmate, Jeff, used to write songs. Like, he'd he'd he'd write   two songs a day. They would just spill out of his head, and I'd be like, how did you come up with this stuff? Like, you know and some of it was hit. Some of it was miss.  

But it was his he said it's my therapy. I've just gotta get it out. You know?   But for me,   it takes me ages to kind of,   I suppose,   I try and encapsulate a mood rather than a than a meaning, if you get what I mean,   from writing lyrics and stuff. So literally when I first came up with the lyrics for the song that I've just sent you or sent you on Friday or Saturday, whenever it was,   it was the first line of the song that just came to me because I was thinking about how I felt about all this stuff that we've been talking about with Tommy and and all the stuff, all my sort of studies and stuff. And I I kinda with all that, I've kind of reached   a point of calm   because I fully understand. I believe I fully understand what's going on. Alright. Yeah. Look at me. Aren't I clever? No. I believe I for me,   for me, I think,   I'm comfortable, let's put it that way, with my understanding of what's going on on the planet.  

And   but I'm really angry about it.   But   anger really isn't a a very productive   yeah. It's a motivator, but it's not really a means of being productive. And I just think I've got   I've got to a point with this whole world   subject, if you like,   that   I've reached a point of calm with it.   And I'm   I've reached a point of calm with it to the point where,   I feel as if, you know, I'm I'm happy with this. I can deal with this   in this way, and this is the way I intend on moving forward. So the first line I came up with, which built the whole song, was heartbeat slowly,   perfect calm, because I was literally you know, I am in that in that respect. You know, when when you first find out about all this stuff that's going on in the world, your head goes up your ass, and you and you run around like a headless chicken for a a few years, and you upset all the people that you love   because   it's so important, and you see how it's affecting their lives. And, you know, if it wasn't for me,   you know, if it wasn't for me, probably,   my family would have ended up all   taking the shot.  

And   that was down to me getting uppity and angry and and feisty about it and being, you know, animated and passionate about it. But it's got to the point now for me with this whole scenario that I've reached a calm with it, and   that's the best way to move forward with it. So that's kind of that's so finding starting points to write lyrics is a really hard thing for me.   So I I take my hat off to Tommy who can who can, you know, come up with a lyric. I don't know how easy he finds it.   But for me, it's always like a it's quite a tough it's quite a tough challenge,   yeah, to to to to chisel lyrics so that I mean and already, I mean, I've gotta be honest. The chorus is quite cheesy.  

It'll   be a hit. It's very cheesy. It'll be a hit. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. But that that whole song was kind of meant as an anthem for for those people who,   really, all you've gotta do is speak.   All you've gotta do, you know,  

[01:15:01] Unknown:

speak the truth and turn the tide. That's what it's about. That's the the the crux of the core thing. Your your thing is, isn't it, what what you wanna write about, what you're feeling   inside and stuff. I mean, I haven't been feeling very creative. I I used to write lots of songs years ago and stuff like that. Do you ever get, like, when you get an idea and you think, that is awesome?   And I went to bed last night bouncing. And today, I'm like,   maybe it's not such a good idea. I don't know. It's just a little creative idea. Like, I was in my kitchen last night waiting for my beanbag to warm up while I keep putting on my shoulders. Yes. I use a microwave. Sorry, everybody, just for that.   But I was stood there, and our kitchen is the messiest room in the house. And when I say messy, it's the one room that we haven't done anything in. We've been here seven years. It's got paint spilled on tiles. It's I've painted,   like, a big chalkboard on the wall, and I write random things on it. Anyway, I stood there for two minutes last night waiting for my beanbag   to warm up. And I was looking around the room absorbing, like, every wall and what's on it. And I thought, do you know what?  

This might be the ugliest   room in the house,   but it's the one with the most feeling and content in it   that represents family life.   Pictures on the Absolutely.   Postcards on the fridge.   And then I was just thinking about doing a silly little thing like documenting   my house. Okay?   But little corners that mean nothing but have got something to do with them.   I know it's a bit quirky,   but I've got this one wall. Like, an I've got a photo of my nan, three photos of my nan, and I've got a piece of paper that she's written something on that's saying I'm not a perfectionist, blah blah blah. And I've got a pass bus pass stuck in it. So that's like my nan wall.   And to the left of it, I've got a big picture, one of the old tin print, and it's the marmalade advert. But I thought, do you know what? I probably couldn't get away with that post in that picture because someone would see the gollibog in it,   and it would cause facial tension.  

Oh, goodness.   Itself, isn't it? The things that because somebody had me once ages ago because I posted something about the gollibog.   But I'm coming in from it from, like, a a childhood   point of view. And we did have history. We had history, and I'm sorry, but   I loved my mom saving   those tokens of the marmalade   so we could get a little golly wool   badge.  

[01:17:29] Unknown:

Badge or brooch. And and there was what you got come through that you could bake in the oven. Do you remember? Yes. Yes. You bake them and they'd harden off in the oven and you They're little highlights of my childhood, but actually now it's a really controversial   subject because, you know It's it's actually and and, again, this is down to communication, and this is why we do what we do. But, you know, Ina Blyton   wrote   the three Gollywood book books.   And in actual fact,   my mom, when she was a child so my mom was born I shouldn't give away her age. She was born,   let's just say,   around the end of World War two. I'm not gonna give it an exact age, but around the end of World War two. And   her brother was about, you know, a little bit older than her. He was born about in fact,   her brother, my uncle, was born on the day that war was declared with Germany.  

Wow. It was a bad omen. Yeah. But,   they used to have a giant golliwog, which sat on the chair   in the, in the drawing room. They had a big house and all that kind of thing.   And they loved that golly. And it was all the the golliwogs were   actually   loved by children because of the Ian of Bloitt and Brooks. And I think back in the day,   those   those books and the they actually endeared people. You think after the war,   you you think later or ten years after the war, we started importing   or, you know, bringing in all sorts of different people, like the the empire Windrush, the Windrush era, and all that where where people were brought over   as workers, guest workers, and blah blah blah blah blah. I think the preceding years with Ena Blyton's golly walks and stuff actually endeared people   to   black people. Let's just be honest about it, and that's what they were referred to back then, or Africans or whatever.  

I think it helped endear the public to that.   And then later on,   because it suits,   it's used as a slur.   Because it suits. It's simple as that. I've got,   a second edition,   Three Gollywolds book up there. And when I lent it to my mum I'll just I'll see if I can grab it for the listeners a sec. Where are we?   Is it here?  

[01:19:54] Unknown:

Oh, I'm gonna tell the police you've got that book.  

[01:19:57] Unknown:

Yeah. But after after after after I I lent it to my mom to read through it. It's not is it there? I can't see it now. Where's it gone then? Might be in in another shelf somewhere. I'll dig it out at some point. After she read it, because her name is featured in the first book Alright.   She ended up buying me these. Look.  

[01:20:16] Unknown:

Oh my god. I'm offended.  

[01:20:19] Unknown:

Yeah. But she she she had to send off to to Australia for that. Could you believe? Because you're not allowed to manufacture them in England.  

[01:20:25] Unknown:

And how many how many jars of marmalade did she have to have?  

[01:20:29] Unknown:

No. They you can't get golliwogs from and, apparently, you're not allowed to call them golliwogs anymore. You have to call them gollies.  

[01:20:36] Unknown:

Oh, okay.  

[01:20:37] Unknown:

Yeah. You have to call them gollies. You can't call them golliwogs because the word the words which you actually started off life as an acronym for workers on government service.   Yeah. Or or was a, if you like, a a Mickey Take name   for them.   Yeah. That's that's where the word   WOG ended up or ended up being   portrayed as something dreadful. But I've got given this book a few years back as well. Look.   Right. Golly.   And it's got   all the sort of original   artwork and all that kind of thing. And it's all about   not being offended and just go out and buy golly. That's that's why it's called, by golly, b   u y,   rather than   b y. Yeah.  

So, it's   it's used   it's it's used for whatever it's used for at the time when the purpose fits. So back in Enid Blyton's day,   it actually helped endear people   to to golliwogs. They were cute, fluffy little things who were mischievous, and they had lots of fun. If you read through the books, they're they're hilarious.   Any kid's gonna be endeared to that. So so there you go. And then in later years, no. You're not allowed to use that term. And Enid Bloighton was a racist.  

[01:21:58] Unknown:

You can't write this stuff. It's just silly. It's just used for whatever it wants to be used for at the time. It is funny. I don't have to probably be a bit careful, actually, because when I have my granddaughter, we always when I'm in the kitchen doing something, I've got her on my waist, and I'm always going, there's Nan. There's a photo of Nan, but she loves that photo of the golliwog.   And I'm like, golly, golly, golly walk. And then, like, Maddie's like, mom, will you stop? And I'm like, well, it is what it is.   But, you know, these little ones, isn't it? They pick up absolutely everything. But,   yeah. So, anyway, my my picture idea, I thought I would remove that and maybe then start my silly little   personal creative thing because it wouldn't mean anything to me, to anybody else. But there's just, like, every aspect on a shelf   that's got something. You know, I was looking at, like, one shelf that is full of horrible,   ugly clay molds from children.  

But   We've got a few of those. Yeah. We've got a few of those. They might go in a box one day, but not at the moment. And I've got, like, one wall where I call it Pyrene and Shelley's art gallery. We've just got our rubbish pictures up everywhere. And   yeah. So it was just quite a nice little thought, and it it just got me on this creative mode, a few black and white pictures,   stories in a room, and what they mean to you and things like that. Yeah. Well, I wouldn't get rid of the golly. I wouldn't get rid of the golly.   No. Only only for the photo.  

It was I don't can't bother to argue with people because when I commented before, people jumped right on at me. They were like, oh, it's alright, Shelley, because you had a toy golliwog that makes everything alright, doesn't it? And I was like, well, yeah. It does, actually. It was a toy. I didn't know any different.  

[01:23:37] Unknown:

And I'm just As I say, back then, it was different anyway. Yeah. It was different anyway.   Yeah. But It was different anyway. It was it was in it was in, a term of endearment, if anything, back in the day. So it's just being twisted and used. Words are weapons,   you know, in the wrong hands. So that's, yeah, that's what it comes down to. I'm sure a lot of people would say that about me as well, but, you know,   I don't have an agenda to push.  

[01:24:04] Unknown:

You can say that. Yeah. Warren's posted. He said,   golly wools are great fun to collect. Oh, okay, Warren. You're a secret collector.   They even introduced a famous song as the Golly's cake walk on that classic FM bollocks radio.   Oh, because   Oh, Alexa started speaking.   Anyway,   But yeah. She's chastising you from the corner. Yeah. She's just saying I've I've just reported your conversation because I was listening.  

[01:24:32] Unknown:

Okay. Yes. Alright. That's it. Yeah. So I'm looking to the side because I'm I'm still still scouring for the book. It's around somewhere. It's around somewhere. You'll find it when we finish. It's always the way. We will. But I will be in there.   Yeah. Yeah. So,  

[01:24:45] Unknown:

talking of books, yep,   I'm probably   three quarters of the way through   Hellstorm now.  

[01:24:52] Unknown:

Okay. So where are you up to now? Because I I haven't read the book. I have,   I've seen the film, and I've   read excerpts of the book. And there's a lot of,   if you watch,   Europa Last Battle, there's a lot of excerpts of the film and excerpts of the book in that film as well.  

[01:25:13] Unknown:

So so whereabouts you're working Well, obviously, we've gone past the Dresden bit, past the next town that they're going through. I can't remember the name of   the town. But they basically   the Russians have come through,   and they've come across two factories that young women   work at,   for all sorts of reasons.   And,   disclaimer disclaimer.   Basically,   they go in, and they've appointed one. And these girls are, like, 13 years up.   This girl said she was 17. She was called into the office,   and   this guy was very nice to her and what have you. And she thought, oh, actually, everything's okay here. And then he went and asked the officer, can you bring five young women through, please?   So they bring five women through,   and then they go to an outbuilding that's got nothing but tables in it.  

And then they brutally,   savagely   cut off their breasts,   inserted instruments to them,   Five at a time, they went through the whole two camps   like that. I've just   crikey. I don't know how I slept after reading that, to be honest with you. And   the woman said at the end of it, she was obviously violently sick because they've made her watch   all of these murders of all these young girls.   But it was the trickery in so many,   places as well, like, where one of them went to a Russian that she thought she could trust   and said of her fear, and he rounded up   all of the older nuns, all of the religious people and told them to go to the churches.  

And then they got them to go in the churches and rape them and everything like that. So, I mean,   apart from, like, we were saying the other week, we have this,   idea that war is men in trenches, firing guns, and stuff like that.   Freaking heck. They just raped their way through that country. Oh oh, I seem to hear about that whole book is about rape, really. And I know, like, Darren will say, but it was war. I'm like, I know. But it made me think about if the English   got involved in that sense. And, apparently, they did as well. Not to that extreme. Yep. Not to the extent. No. Not to that extent. Oh, they did.  

[01:27:30] Unknown:

Yeah. Not to that extent, but the the Americans and the British. The the only difference is is that when more often than not, if they were caught, they were court martialed. They had no army court martial.   More often than not, but that's not to say a lot a lot of,   allied servicemen got away with that, but particularly the Russians because they were given carte blanche to do so. And if you look through I can't remember the name of the of the commissar who was putting out all the propaganda for the for the other commissars to pass out to the troops.   But it was about basically destroying the German race. And that's also what the,   Morgantau plan was about as well from the from the American side. Yeah. They wanted to restrain them all, didn't they?  

Yes.   Yep.   Yep. They should all be sterilized.   Yeah. That was that was   but, you know,   yeah, as as I say, hat off to you. As I said to you last week, hat off to you for continuing with the book. It's a really, really   tough  

[01:28:32] Unknown:

book to get through. It's a really, really tough I mean, the film was tough enough. Yeah. I was telling Jo about it the other night, and she was like, what the heck are you reading?   But she was, like, really horrified because it's like she said, we just don't   hear this about the war, do we? It's just men in trenches and firing guns. Yeah. We won't.  

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And, also, noble causes noble causes is the next is the next line of defense.   But as I said to you last week, Winston Churchill said that the the truth is so delicate that it needs a body of lies to protect it.   And   never a truer word spoken. In actual fact, I've got,   Churchill's book   regard Churchill what the first book, because I couldn't be bothered anymore. In fact, I'll grab it for you because I can see it right now. I've got Churchill's book,   number one of the second World War.   Here, it says The Gathering   Storm.  

And in the front of the book,   you'll love this.   One day, President Roosevelt told me,   that he was asking publicly for suggestions   about what the war should be called.   I said at once the unnecessary war.   There was never a war   more easy to stop   than that which had just   wrecked,   what was left of the world from the previous   struggle. So Winston Churchill himself says   that it was an unnecessary war, but he was the one   pushing all the buttons   in,   rolling out the in the 18 b internment law to incarcerate any opposition, whether they were whether they were members of parliament or whether they were just members of Mosley's Blackshirts.   They were all incarcerated   for years   without charge.  

You know? So when he writes literally in the preface   literally, see how far through that book we are? And at the bottom of the page, it says,   I said it once, it should be called The Unnecessary War.   Oh, well, that doesn't that that just make me the savior and the good guy.   Yeah. Right.   You know? Oh, man.   So the hypocrisy,   and it's not just a hypocrisy. Look. You have to have the public behind you if you're going to wage a war.   You know, what did we hear about the first Iraq war?   And I think Bill Hicks even did a sketch on it.   You know, how many times did you hear in the mainstream media in the early nineties that it might be better if we go to war with Iraq because it would make us feel better about ourselves?  

Do you remember that line in the you do. Right. So   Bill Hicks, I think, did a did a sketch on it saying, you know, what sort of a society   needs a war   to feel better about themselves? I mean, I'm not being funny, but maybe just eat some fruit in the morning or, you know,   Who needs a war?   You know? And he went on to say that, you know, I'm totally against the war, but I'm in the strange position of being for the troops.   And I'll I'll fill in the blanks for you and for him, for they know not what they do   and in whose name they're doing it.  

And that is across the board. Every every military across the world doesn't know really why they're going to fight.   You know?   In fact, interestingly,   we say about,   we say about World War II, and we're talking about, you know, atrocities and that kind of thing. So more Germans died   after the war   than during it. That's an interesting statistic, isn't it? More Germans died after the war   than during it. Really? Is that true? Yeah. That's true.   K. That's true.   I think I can't remember what the figures are for Eisen. Did you know that, we had our own concentration camps for the German army after the war?  

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Yes. Yes.  

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Yeah. So they were known as Eisenhower's   death camps. That's what they're known as amongst those of us who are actually wanna be honest about it.   Eisenhower's death camps, I think, are responsible for something like one and a half million,   German,   military personnel,   Deaths   of.   Basically, they were   under the Geneva Convention, they had to be treated as   basically, as,   basically   as noncombatants   after the war. Once you'd once you've surrendered, you were part of the military, but you were a noncombatant.   That's how you were supposed to be termed.   He re   he re he redesignated   any captured German troops. Eisenhower redesignated any captured German troops as   disarmed   combatants,   which meant that they were still a threat.  

Yes?   Because we can't possibly so they incarcerated   them all   in these camps in France, which were literally   just barbed wire   around a field.   No shelter.   No food.   No nothing.   So there you go. There there you go. There's one aspect of hypocrisy. Do were you aware that we had concentration camps in The UK during the war?  

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Yes. We saw some on our visit, didn't we?  

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Yes. We did. We did.   So we had concentration camps. In actual fact, the concentration camps that were,   under the jurisdiction   of general Sikorsky,   who was the Polish   He was in charge of the Polish army in exile.   He was bumped off by the British government, I'm pretty sure, too,   because Oh, that's another story. I digress. So he was in charge of certain concentration camps in The UK that actually also housed Jews.   So   it wasn't just the Germans.   I've I've got a book on it out there, so I'm not lying. I'll I'll I'll   if anyone if anyone wants   any,   citations,   [email protected].  

I'll send you the details that you need. So   were you aware they had concentration camps in America also during World War two?  

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I just assumed there would be, to be honest with you.  

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Okay. Well, the reason they why why would you assume? I thought it was the horrible Nazis that were there were people that would incarcerate people for no reason and just make force them to work.  

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Because I've got a different understanding   after reading Hal  

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stories.   Okay.   So,   so after the attack of Pearl Harbor  

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Oh, I want to go into depth over that one night.  

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Okay. We we can we can. I'll I'll have to brush out. It's been years, but, yeah, they'd already tried to, sue for peace three times before they dropped the nuclear bomb, quote, unquote, nuclear bomb.   But yeah. No. They after the attack of Pearl Harbor,   the American government, in fact   in in fact   you'll like this, Shelley.   So where are we?   On this day,   February   1945,   the US Marines invaded   Iwo Jima, which is the Japanese island.   And also,   US President Franklin D Roosevelt signed an executive order allowing the internment of Japanese Americans.   So the internment of Japanese Americans happened on what date?  

Nineteen forty two. So this day,   in 1942.   So we are right on right over the target, right on topic here. This day in 1942,   they started interning   any   Japanese,   ethnic Japanese American, quote unquote, citizens.   And they were interned   until 1946.   So the,   the the latest Karate Kid movie is coming out in   March or May, '1 of the two.   And,   unfortunately,   Pat Pat Mortier or Pat,   Morita, is it? The guy who played miss mister Miyagi has now died.   But   he, after undergoing   crikey.   When he was when he was very, very young, he was born in America, obviously, but he developed   spinal   tuberculosis, what they called POTS disease.  

So he spent the next nine years in the Weimar Institute. Bearing in mind, this guy was born in 1932.   Okay.   He spent the next nine years in Weimar Institute in California   and then later in Shriners Hospital, San Francisco.   Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. After undergoing surgery,   released from hospital at the age of 11 after undergoing extensive spinal surgery and learning how to walk,   he was then transported   from the hospital directly to the,   the Gila River Camp in Arizona and interned interned with his family.   So   and they, you know, the   man, the amount of they lost everything. They lost all their businesses, their houses, and everything. And when they were, you know, just simply for being Japanese.  

So   the Germans weren't the only nasty people, apparently,   in in World War two. So I just thought it was interesting. It's actually the   it's actually the day today that that, you know, the February 19 that that occurred in 1942.   So,   think, yeah, that's quite interesting, isn't it? That is interesting. Yeah.  

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I think most of us can relate to a bit of, mister Miyagi.  

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Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, he he he auditioned for that part because after after realizing,   that was that was coming out, I wasn't a big fan of any after films. But I remember that film as a kid, and it just sent me down a rabbit hole on mister Miyagi. Because I wondered if he'd be in the new film, but he's not around anymore. You see, he passed away. But,   yeah. So I found out all that stuff. It was and it just brought it back to me. Oh, yeah. Of course. Yeah. Because the Americans interned all the Japanese   because of,   the threat   after Pearl Harbor or not even after, I think, beforehand. Because because relations had been soured   between the Japanese and the Americans through American foreign policy and them trying to,   embargo fuel going into Japan. Japan were left with no other option   other than to declare war. Otherwise, they would have,   been a nonentity anyway,   because their   entire,   economy would have come to a standstill with no fuel. They relied on that fuel. So, yeah, the the the Americans put the thumbscrews on them and didn't let them up. So they ended up declaring war alongside,   Germany.  



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So there you go. There you go. That's why they're Right. You need to do your no. I know. You have to   rein it in, mister Scott. Rein it in. You and your all star.   No. I love it. I love it. Hang on. Do let me get my musical instrument.  

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I do think you're a very brave girl for getting through it. Yeah. If you get to the end of that book, I'm very proud of you for for getting through that. You. Yeah. Yeah. Just It's a it's a tough subject.  

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Yes. Yes. It is. Definitely. Right. Mister Scott, we're ready for your connection   ghost story.  

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Okay. You ready for this?  

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Radiosoapbox.com.   I tried to do the voice of   Heidi, hi. Hello, Campels.  

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Hello, Campels. Yeah.   It's right over to you. Okay. So okay. So if no one's if you if you've heard of this, keep quiet. If you haven't heard of it, enjoy.   The Rabbit Of Eglashale.   Do you know what Eglashale is? Nope.   It is just the other side of of Weybridge, Madea. Oh, okay. Just literally just across the estuary from Weybridge. Eglashale, it's called. So under the night sky, the church is scarcely visible. But if the clouds roll back from the moon and let a sudden blaze of light fall over the riverbed,   you will see the old   old great   house clearly,   standing   out from a group of chestnut trees,   and may even discern an open space beside the churchyard where a heart where the high road meets the lane leading to the village.  

The road gleams beneath the moonlight.   But you are too far distant or otherwise. You might   see,   but never save when the moon is bright, a white rabbit gambling beside the churchyard wall. A pretty long eared rabbit like a child's pet escaped from its hutch.   It goes loppeting about I love that word. It goes loppeting about among the grasses by the corner of the marsh. And if anyone should pass,   will look at him   with fearless eyes.   And   well it may. No villager would attempt to catch it. No boy would aim a bow at it. And if anyone walking late sees the white rabbit lopping at his heels,   he makes no attempt to drive it away, but quickens his pace and hopes.  

A belated postman,   terrified, terrified at finding,   he could not shake off the pretty white creature, lost his head   and struck fiercely at it with a cudgel.   He felt the stick fall on the soft back of the rabbit. Such a blow might have killed a much larger animal. But the rabbit locked on as if nothing had happened. The cudgel,   it was which the cudgel, it was which, was broken, shivered into splinters as though it had struck a hard rock.   It was in our great grandparents'   time that the last deliberate that that this last deliberate effort was made to meddle with the rabbit took place. So I would say from when this was written, it's probably our great great great grandparents' time that the last effort was made to meddle with the rabbit.   The attempt   was made by a stranger. A number of young men were drinking in the bar at the Chief Inn at Weybridge.  

As the evening wore on,   they grew heated and somebody spoke of the white rabbit.   Instantly,   the stranger began to jeer.   A silly story such as that would never be believed outside a pokey little country town where nobody had anything better to do than listen to such tales.   What harm could a rabbit do to anyone?   He would like nothing better than to shoot   it. One of the brothers, one of the others drew aside   the shutter and looked out. The street was as bright as day, and overhead, they could see the new moon sailing free of clouds.   They'd best go now, he said. When the moon shines like this, you'll find the rabbit by the church.  

A gun was hanging on the wall, and it was taken down and loaded amid a babble of cheers and angry retorts.   And then the party crowded to the door to watch the stranger stride down the moonlit street, whistling merrily as he went. They saw him pass onto the bridge   and went back to their bottles.   But some strange feeling of uneasiness   had settled over them. Not one seemed inclined to sit down again. They moved restlessly about the room, and presently, one of them went to the door and looked out.   The others asked eagerly   if he heard anything, though they knew the stranger could not have reached the church yet.  

Then one suggested it was a shame to allow a man who had no knowledge of his danger to encounter it alone.   The others agreed, and without any more delay, set off in a body. They trudged along saying nothing. And when they came near the church, they heard a report   and allowed a cry.   A report is a very old term for a gunshot, by the way.   And a loud cry.   With one accord, they ran forward with beating hearts.   Neither man nor rabbit was to be seen. They ran up and down calling his name, but there was no reply.   He was not in the lane,   nor on the road.  

At last, one of them leaped into the churchyard wall and sprang down on the inner side,   Calling   on his friends to follow him, there they found the man lying dead, one barrel of the gun discharged,   and the contents   buried in his own body.   That happened many years ago, but still the stranger may be seen leaning over the lone wall, pointing an ancient flintlock   at some object which moves quickly   in the long grass. So there you go. That is the rabbit of Eglashale,   my lover.   More Cornish stories to come next week. Love it. Love it. I've got I've got an explanation for that.   Go on. Do I reckon it was a flintlock? If it was a flintlock, a double barrel flintlock,   if that was the case,   it probably hadn't been cleaned for years, so it probably backfired and killed it.  

But that was There's there's my there's my there's my  

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spoiler theory on the whole situation, but there you go. I I thought it was a good one anyway. It was good. It was good. It was making me think, do you know what? I could do with a a bigger xylophone   so I can get more creative and, like,   I could play some minor notes on it that needs some, oh, doesn't it? Some minor keys, and I just haven't got it. So we'll just do a Yeah. You need a minor xylophone.   Yeah. Yeah. I could have my whole desk full of them, couldn't I? And  

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Anyway. Anyway. Sorry. Yeah. I don't know whether we want to take up the whole show with that. I live with that whole show, but just a nice intro, you know   Yeah. Of homemade music. Is it just down to me to come up with now? And you don't have to be I don't know. We haven't really discussed it, have we? I don't know. No. No. No. Funny that.  

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You're always busy. You're always busy.   Of course. Yes. No. I do need to be more organized, but I was thinking the other day, you know, it's like two doing two hours now on a Wednesday and an hour on a Sunday. Yeah. It's like trying to get guests and stuff is quite it's quite hard, Maleficast.  

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Quite hard. I I remember doing I I remember doing a minimum of two shows a week and it really being honest, not finding enough time  

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to really put your heart and soul into all of it. Do you know what I mean? Because you've got other things going on. Last week, I was prepared, and we didn't get around to it because I had stories of bird bird flu hitting bobbin and stuff like that.   And then this week, I've got nothing. Nothing. I haven't pulled anything. Oh, please.  

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Sorry. Wow. So do you realize on this day   as well,   on this day in 1848,   they released the Communist Manifesto?  

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Oh, did they? No. I didn't know.  

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And Malcolm X was also assassinated on this day in 1965.   So there's lots went on on February.   It has to be said.  

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Yeah. Yeah.   I like the sort of, like, things on, like, this day so many years ago. I think it's good. Good. Well, if anyone's interested, you can go on to, Britannica.com  

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website, and they've got, literally, Encyclopedia Britannica. Do you know what I mean? So you can literally go on and type in a day or a date   or a year, and it will just come up with a whole load of different stuff.  

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I tried doing it before, and then they take you to newspapers, and they want you to pay. You can read, like, a paragraph, and it's like, to read more, you must must subscribe.  

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So pretend You must subscribe it. £36  

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an article. So yeah. So next week now, you see, I'll have a really good, like, something to add.   Something to add. I'll try a little bit hard. I was actually looking for something Cornish. There wasn't anything. So yeah. But there we go. And but I tell you what, you'll like this. Well, you won't like this, but,   I'm gonna I must write it down. Freedom of information request. I've got loads of those to send. I bumped into my friend,   in Aldi a couple weeks ago. I don't think I've told you this.   And she'd been homeless for about three years, shifted around from caravan to caravan. So she's now open in Scoria.   She said she's in a beautiful house owned by the council,   underfloor heating, you name it.  

And she said,   she's allowed to stay there until she finds somewhere else. And she said, like, oh, look. You've even put £60   credit in the electric beater.   And the lady opened up to her and said, the reason you can't stay here is because these houses of the immigrants.   Yeah. I knew I knew that would oh my god. I I can't believe she hasn't taken it further. I want more information on this, and I want it out there because I just felt sick. We're housing them before our own. I mean, we've known that for a long time now anyway. But they even put Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 60 pound in the meter for them.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. I I yeah. They get given a weekly allowance as well. They get around the clock doctor care. You know? And if I want I booked an appointment, or should I say my better half booked an appointment for my daughter. I wanted to book an appointment with the doctors for, just,   for for our daughter, for nothing, like, major.   Thankfully   because you have to go online now to book at our doctors. Yeah. You do with mine.   You can phone up and say I haven't got any Internet, but they then have to go through the online process anyway.   Five and a half weeks.  

Five and a half flipping weeks for an appointment, and anyone that's that's,   being kept by the British public Well because they came over on a boat gets round the clock.  

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Well, I I will tell you this because I think a lot of people don't know this, and I had forgotten about it because I had the doctor's appointment yesterday.   And I said to Darren, I said, oh, I'm gonna have to set my alarm for half eight because that's when the doctor's open, and that's when you can key in all your details and make it seem like you're dying so you can get an appointment. And Darren said, just go on the app. And I was like, oh, yeah. I forgot about that. If you've got the NHS   app, I know but you, you know, your partner can get it.   You it'll be con related, like, to your doctor's surgery. So I went on the night before last, and there were six appointments for the following day. So I just clicked one. That's how easy it was, but they don't publicize the fact that it's on that app.  



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That's interesting. Maybe we'll go down   that route, and I'll let you know I'll let you and the listeners know next week how we got on with that. Yeah. Because I I think   I mean, our doctors   group   has got one of the worst   ratings in Cornwall.   Literally, it's got one of the worst ratings in Cornwall. So I'm not expecting miracles even out of the NHS app, but I will get my other half to have a little look through. So Yeah. Yeah.  

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So, yeah, there we are.   Yeah. I went   and left the van. I had to explain to him about my,   eating and stuff. And I said, you know what? I said, if the NHS   offered everybody a food intolerance test rather than popping them on pills and stuff, I said, I think half of your cases will be   sorted out. And he was asking We can't make money out of that, though. No. No. He was really nice. He was interested. He's like, what so what sort of test was it? And I said, oh, it was a bio resonance test and what have you. And I explained to it it's him. But, that was very nice. You know? They're not all bad, are they? And they What do you mean? He had to ask you what sort of test it was. Well, how they did it? Doctor. Yeah. But they don't deal in things like that, do they? But it's like I said to him, everyone that goes to the doctor, if they've got any tummy issues, is always IBS. They can't define what it is. Whereas you look at me, six years popping pills, speaking to surgeons, wasting to doctors wasting doctors' times,   come off dairy, and I'm almost a different person.  

A little test. Yeah. Crazy.  

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Yeah. Crazy.   Crazy.   Yeah. So,   yeah, that's that's the state of of of doctors down here in Cornwall anyway. It's not not a good   not a good thing for me, at least, in my area. It's not not very good.   So another thing I was gonna,   talk to you about was oh, yeah. So you know, I spoke to you last week or the week before about all these,   sort of attractions   in Cornwall that are all being closed down.   You know, like, Flambar's is closed down. The auction is going outside Newquay.   The auction is going ahead. Yeah. So I saw on the Falmouth packet,   earlier that they're actually auctioning off   all the assets   from the Victorian village from Flambars, which in includes,   you know, things like,   what was the, you know, the, like, the old   horse drawn fire engines and stuff like that. You know, there's loads of which they're expecting to get between 15 and $25   for. But even down to   even down to, like, you know, tins of stuff and,   you know,   yeah. So what was it? The historic,   Shand Mason fire engine,   and tender from,   Cliveden. So it's a nineteenth century Shand and Mason,   Shand, Mason, and Co engineers, London horse drawn fire engine,   together with   Meriwether and Sons London coal cart,   Clivedon livery.  

Clivedon, obviously, was obviously the area or whatever.   And they're auctioning off other stuff like, World War two military jeep,   all this stuff. And you think this was a massive attraction that drew in millions   every year.   How did it fail? I know   years and years ago when my kids were small,   we took them, and it cost us over a hundred quid for a year.  

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It wasn't a cheap day out at all.  

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No. So how   how can you possibly fail   that badly, charging that much? I mean, we thought it was extortionate anyway.  

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I think so many things just kept going wrong, didn't it? And they just didn't have the money  

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to Why? Because someone's skimming off the top. Probably. Gotta be.   You think how many visitors that place had a year?   You know?  

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Anyway Talking about saving cuts,   I found and that was something I think I was gonna bring up last week that Cornwall County Council   have made further cuts because, obviously, they're like £40,000,000   in debt.   And,   let me just have a little look.   Sorry about this. I've got it all I've got all these files. I save now. I don't write things on paper. I say save things. So, okay, basically,   they wanna make 48 they want to save 48,700,000.0   over the next year.   Okay? So   and four of these services,   I mean, there's outrage because there's removal of adolescent intervention   service, specialist team which works with young people   for safety and well-being. That's gonna save them 327,000.  

Reduction of transport costs for children and family services,   saving to arrange of travel arrangements for children and young people, including travel for court ordered contact   and stuff,   ending the children's noncontact independent sexual violence advisers,   when the removal of missing and exploitation  

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operational officer role, this role was Oh, yes. So so nothing that's very   yeah. Nothing that's very key to society, a healthy society then. No.   No. Not that they fund not that they fund very you know, 300,000,  

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it's not a lot, is it? Yeah. It's not. Yeah. I So 48,000,000 Yeah. Go on. Carry on. 7,000,000 over the next year, but, you know, all really quite crucial roles. When we think at the moment, the amount of abuse and stuff going on in, you know, in the world and the lack of help out there and that's some of that stuff. How many  

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how many pedophiles have been rehomed in Cornwall as well? Mhmm. Oh, yeah.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. I've been looking way into that. But,   Yeah. Yeah. It's just crazy. Crazy. Absolutely crazy. Yeah. It's like one on our road as well. And, again,  

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again, anyone that's listening and anyone that anyone that isn't listening that you think should have listened, please pass the the the rumble channel on.   What are you paying your council tax for? What is it you're getting?   And don't get me wrong. I pay my council tax. I can't. I don't have the time to deal with barristers and lawyers and stuff. But, you know, at some point, the the it has to be the straw that broke the camel's back where the public actually   communicate with each other   and all ask the same questions.   Because   it seems to me we're paying more and more and getting less and less. Is there a pattern happening here?  

On a worldwide   basis?   Oh, I think there is.   Something's amiss, folks. Something's amiss.  

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Yeah. It's crazy.   Crazy. Crazy. And I'm glad I'm not young, and I have to venture out in that whole buying a house route and stuff like that. I really am because I just think it would be   unattainable, really. Nightmare.  

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Absolutely unattainable.   Kids are in debt before they leave education   now.   That's been the case for a long time.   Kids are peep kids are in debt before you you're already joining   the usury,   paying of interest nonsense before you've even left your education, which originally was supposed to be free at the point of delivery.   So it just it just it just beggars belief. And how did any kid   you know? And do you know how any kid gets their their mortgage and stuff nowadays?   They prove that they're good at paying back their debts. It's called a credit rating.   It's a misnomer, people. It should be called a debt rating. Rather like a credit   card, it shouldn't be called a credit card. It should be called a debt   card because at least that's more honest and upfront. But no. It's credit.  

Is that your little rant It's true. Millefus? Now I That's my rant for this week. Yeah. No. No.  

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Right. And on that night true though. I know. I know. And on that night, it's to up on that night. On that note, it's time to go.   So we will be back the same time next week. Thank you for a lovely hour. Great. So I'm gonna go and listen to some of Tommy's music. Do it. I'm gonna go and listen to some of Tommy's music now. That that's, I'm looking forward to that. Yeah. And if you want his details, I've got them all on Skype. Yeah. Alright, my lovely. Oh. Thank you, listeners. Send him mine. If he wants to get in contact, he's more than welcome. Yeah. Okey dokey. Right. Everybody have an awesome week. I will be back on Sunday with women's hour   at 08:00.  

Have an awesome week, mister Scott.   I will. The music the music is gonna play.  

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It will be on Friday.  

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See you later, lovely.   See  

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you   in   a   bit.