From Ex-Offenders to AI: Chad's Journey of Love and Positivity

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So today's date and remember all day for most of us, 9 11, 11th September

2024.

So I've got a lovely guest lined up this evening. I had the pleasure of meeting this young man, oh, a couple of months ago back in summer,

a random barbecue, a friend of ours. And,

oh, he's got a YouTube channel

called deeper conversations with Chad, and he's just like, what are those people you can talk to about anything?

And he's just lovely. Anyway, so we're gonna have some deep conversations with Chad. Good evening, Chad, and welcome to the show.

Hi, Shelley. How are you? You're okay?

I am bouncing.

I've I've got energy. Thank you.

My girl, that's it. That's what it's about, turning this negative day into a positive one.

Exactly. Yeah. And I've been feeling a bit flat lately, and I don't know, if it's to do with, like, the seasonal change, whatever.

But the last couple of days, I've, like, sprung back into life. So I'm really excited,

about having a little chat with you, my lovely.

Wrong girl. Yeah. So like to live. Yeah. So, yeah, you you run this channel and I've watched some of your videos and they're put together

amazingly.

Mhmm. And they're just some of the other simpler ones. They're just beautiful.

The the the tree one. I loved the tree one, the music,

and, it looks like very soon, you're gonna be having your own show on Radio Soapbox.

Yeah. Yeah. So,

yeah, looking forward to that.

So let's just have a bit of a chat about you, Chad. Tell us a bit about yourself.

So, yeah, obviously, we were introduced, weren't we, in Cornwall in that wonderful gathering that I had. So Yeah. Yeah. The gathering was all to do with my channel. And as you've explained, deeper conversations,

it's asking those deeper questions of life, you know, the ones that you you can't have with the general public,

the ones you're scared to have,

the questions of the deepest subjects of life, of the soul of the world,

you know,

the narratives, the seeing, the unseen.

And,

I often find other people's perspectives

revealing. I mean, it can bring awareness to the self. So to my for myself, there's nothing better than speaking to other people and getting their perspectives, but also sharing my own. You know, we've all been on our journey. I think every person in the world's got a story.

And to me, some of the,

people would say more common people, you know, the average person has got the most unique story.

So I suppose my job is to not only tell their story, but tell it in a way which

really gives them the the best sheds the best light on that story.

Besides that, you know, it's all to do with love and light.

I think there's enough shit in the world, enough badness,

and it's just spreading that positivity. You know? People need that.

You know, I've got I I look after my nan. Yeah. I can tell you my story a little bit. I want, yeah, I want to hear your story because I know we touched on it briefly

when we first met, and it's like, those are the stories that people do need to hear about.

It is, isn't it? It's your story. It's my story.

It's my nan's story. It's the person next door story. They're all important.

And, you know, I grew up in my grandparents

and that way of life, you know, that old mentality

of love, of caring, of they grew up leaving the the doors open, you know, like neighbors sharing things, being able to ask for anything.

So I think that kind of older mentality

has stemmed through to myself, and I think it's something that's been lost, Shelly. You know? Oh, you're absolutely right. You can't leave your doors open now,

not where I live anyway.

But this is it. I work with ex offenders as well. That's what I do. So,

you know,

in my in my normal life, I work with ex offenders, and that's that's down to rehabilitating

people, which I see that are going through extreme trauma. I'm not saying what they've done is not wrong or anything like that, but at the end of the day, some of these people just need

some time spent with them, some direction,

and they can change their life. They've never had any attention. They've never had any love, and they've been through some dark things.

Most people have turned their back on them. So,

that's one aspect of sorry. No. No. Don't be sorry. I I didn't know that about you. I never got around to asking you, what do you do for a day job? How do you earn a living? That must that must be really rewarding,

but it has moments as well. Bit of an idea.

Yeah. That that's where I got into it. You know, the rewarding

aspect of it to help people, but at the same time, you know, it's not all glory. There's people that get recalled, and you have

people wanting to attack you. They're sparing it either. They're taking their frustrating out on you. But

for somebody that's been through kind of darkness and trauma themselves, you know, like, I lost my mom on my 30th birthday. There's a lot happened in my life, which has made me look, stop, and think.

And,

I can understand that a lot of decisions that I've made could have been taken in a completely different direction if it wasn't down

to my own mentality

drive and potentially people around me as well. So I think it's just trying to provide that to others,

And, you know, that can be difficult, but that's part of the reward as well, you know, the challenge.

Yeah. And it's nice, I think, when you because I work with elderly people,

of the activities person at a nursing home, and it is rewarding

just, like, singing to them and sparking back some memories and stuff. That's what it's all about, giving giving them something back.

And I'm presuming that, you know, you're young. You're with it. You're the perfect candidate to do that role.

Yeah. It definitely in one regard. You know, I'm not that old, so I think and age things depends on how people look at you. You know? Especially

the older you are, they give you a little bit more respect. But myself, I'm from I'm from the streets, you know, I'm from not the street, like council estates. I'm from the their areas. I know what they've gone through. I've saw it myself.

My upbringing wasn't perfect, although it was amazing. You know? I've saw so many different aspects of what they have seen too, and this is what I mean about my life being potentially going in a different direction. So you're exactly right, Shelly. You're exactly right. And, I love that you work with the old as well. That's it you're giving. Are you finding the same type of qualities and roles in people that come together? Like, me and you found each other through that connection, but it's quite funny how we do similar roles, isn't it? Yeah. It is. It is. And I do. It's funny because I was thinking earlier when I was walking the dog that actually my whole life,

apart from doing self employed photography, I've always worked in care.

And I think that, you know, lots of people say, oh, I couldn't do that. I couldn't do that. And I love it. It's it's what I'm here to do, to look after people.

And I think sometimes you can get a little bit,

you know, I see the younger generation and I think perhaps I would like to

step in and help like a young lady who

lives nearby and stuff with a child. And I see things and and it reminds me of myself at that age, but it's different problems and stuff. And it's knowing when to shut your mouth, keep your mouth shut. And I think, I wonder if I could help, but you can't step in when you're not asked. And Mhmm. And then I found myself, like, getting infuriated by things. And I thought, well, it's not my path. It's not my life.

It's her life. You can only guide someone so much, can't you? And, ultimately, they can make the decisions.

Of course. That's it. It's the science, isn't it? You can only take a horse to water, etcetera.

Exactly. Yeah. It it's the same principle in my roles. You know? We can set everything up. We can get the monies flowing. We can set them up with potential employment and education, and we can solve the mental health, our physical problems, give them somewhere to live. Tick most of the boxes, you know, try to get them back in touch with family and friends, give them some sort of life. And

for some people, if it's not ready in themselves, that it just won't tick.

And you find that with a lot of people, like, in my particular role,

the

for people say on the 30 in particular crimes, there's a very high chance they're gonna go into it. Again, they're gonna reoffend.

The reoffending rate's ridiculous. It's 80%,

I believe.

I heard that yesterday because obviously they're gonna be re releasing lots of people that well, gonna be releasing lots of people early from prison.

Yeah. So

yeah. Yeah. This is where I come in. So my role is to take them straight from prison. We take them straight from prison, give them accommodation,

spend a year or 2 years with them, and then move them on. You know, there's a lot of that happening.

So like a probation officer

then? In an essence. Yeah. My my background's in criminology, so I got a degree in criminology.

I'm more of a support worker, but I work closely with probation. I'll I'll go into prisons and different things.

So, yeah, that's I would love that. It's really cool. You know, there's so many stories that you get, and obviously, because he's data protected, you can't share, but it it's it's phenomenal. It really is. And

to change people's lives

even if it's 1, Shelley Yeah. Or or a couple, it's enough.

And I can honestly say that the people that I work with myself,

and my organization definitely definitely changed have changed lives.

It's good to hear because you also hear the side, like, people lots of people, they come out of prison. They've got nowhere to go. They don't know what to do, and they've been in prison. And, of course, life has gone on on the outside. Everything's quite different

depending how long they've been inside, but, you know, it must be a bit of a frightening thing as well.

Extremely. Like,

let's just say mister a, you know, he's been in prison for 32 years.

He's come out after 32 years. As you say, what kind of change is that when he went into prison, there wasn't, like, mobile phones, like, TV. It wasn't what it was. There wasn't even the many cars on the road. It's a whole new world.

And and that to adapt into that type of society

and,

especially recently, you know, with the COVID and, like, all the masks and everything, when people were coming out in that, it was just terrible.

It was just such a bad time. Obviously, it was bad for everything, you know.

I had to kind of bury my mom in in that in that time period and funerals where it was just ridiculous, you know what I mean? And like people.

Yeah.

Absolute. So

everybody felt it, you know, and I feel that, people still recovering from that and there's still what that did for me, one of the main things, it really knocked the communities,

And people started pulling in,

their family units and and,

the you know, there's a lot more online and things now, isn't it? A lot more people having parties in the house. Yeah. It's,

it's

Yeah. And I think, well, lots of people, their lives are gonna be changed forever for COVID. I mean, I know someone now. I know that I know it. I don't know him very well, but

he's a relative of one of the ladies that I look after. And apparently, he won't come in because there was, you know, because there's COVID an outbreak of COVID nearby and still petrified by it. But, I mean, the more vulnerable people that are in supported living and stuff like that, they've not ever started going out again.

No. You know, they get stuck in their ways and, you know, that's their life now. Everything they used to do, they've stopped. And this this is it for me. You know, this is one of the main things. It's that manipulation

and and fear that they've spread via the media and I see it with myself and my nan. You know, my nan will watch the news and after her face is so distraught,

her energy is taken.

She isn't what she was and she's fearful.

Oh, bless

sir. You know, and and but I see that as the majority of people her age, you know, and

the

that is that is one of the main things for me that that that the media

and

the the creating the fear, and then it's taking the energy away,

lack of positivity.

And it's in every regard, but that manipulation

and control via the education system, the media, everything, it's just too much. And we need to try and take some of that freedom back. And that's what I kindly try to enrich in people, giving them that that self worth, telling them to look inwards,

and not listen to the news so much.

No. I like to it's I've listened to, like, the headlines on the radio when I'm on my way to work. And, actually, that 2, 3 minute snippet is just enough, really, because they just tend to repeat it all day, don't they? And That's what you're using it, really. That's where I got my 80% statistic from for for the re offenders.

See, there's some use in it. See, exactly. People think, oh, she's been doing her research.

But it was funny because I used to have friends, and they would tell me all this stuff. And I'd be like, well, how do you know about that? And she said, I watched the news, Shelley.

I know. And I mean, you know, I suppose if you can take away and you just watch it and laugh and don't take it too seriously,

then you're alright. But, unfortunately,

lots of people do. Well, we saw with the COVID thing, didn't we? People believed

everything. That's it. And it's mental health now, isn't it? It's it's

it's,

there's so many people hurting.

So, you know, I feel like that's one of the main aims is just bringing that love back and and soothing that that mental strain and emotional strain that everyone's been through.

Definitely.

And I was just gonna bring up, I'm gonna think oh, well, I'm thinking about doing a show about it sometime if I can drag out all the information, but the the whole prison

stuff, I was once writing to a man on death row.

And, yeah, I know. And it was interesting because,

you know, when you when it's,

called

Freedom Rights,

Freedom Writers or something. Anyway, a man put me in contact just just by accident, really. I thought, you know, I'd like to do that. But you know that these people on death row, they're there because they've done pretty hideous stuff, really.

Anyway,

I was writing and you you recommended not to go and look at their name online and find out what they've done, but everybody does. You go into

but,

I was writing to this guy, Paul Browning,

for about 10 years, actually,

and he was innocent.

And I had all the paperwork,

from court cases and stuff like that, and he was actually freed 3 years ago.

And, yeah, I know. And he spent 34 years for a crime he didn't do.

And very sadly,

he passed away nearly 2 years ago.

He spent a year of his life out of prison,

and his just mum went in one day and found him. He'd had a heart attack and died.

That's

Horrendous, isn't it? That's terrible, isn't it? Yeah. And he spent his I mean, he could have probably been a lawyer by the time he'd come out. But I mean, not that he would have been, but

because he'd done so much research on how to get him out,

you know, he fought his case. And then what happens is, like, every, like, 4 years, it will be a new lawyer on the case, so they have to rego through everything and be directed to one court and the other. But,

he was a lovely man, and we managed to FaceTime once for about 5 minutes.

And he was gonna be a guest on the show,

and,

yeah, it was wonderful. And then I just received that email and it's like, what a waste of a life. How sad.

I know. There's so much injustice in the world.

There really is. But, you know, you know, at the same time, fair play if you're right for taking that step to do that for you. That's quite cool, man. That's really cool.

In some regards, it's something that I would do just just for the experience of it and to find out. You know? It's really cool. Well, I have a big one on forgiveness.

And Yeah. I know lots of people have conversations with them, and it's like, well, what if they did that to your child? Blah blah blah blah blah. And, you know,

I can't go into that because it hasn't happened to me. But from an outsider,

I just see things in a different light. And I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, but God teaches us to forgive.

People have got reasons, and I'm sure, like, murderers,

they've done it in a moment of anger.

And it's like, oh my god.

You know? I'm sure they regret it as well. Most people I mean, some people I've never come across anybody that doesn't really agree. And and at the same time with the murders that I've come across, it's

near enough all

like, you know, when you're out a drunk and you have a fight and you hit somebody and they fall over and and and the head hits off a curb and they die or

you hit somebody in an apartment and it goes

wrong, and you try to hire them. You know, like,

sometimes it can go very bad, but a lot of the time it's it's very, as you say, spontaneous. And a lot of ourselves in those positions

would say from this point of view, oh, we'd never do that. But if we were put into that situation and that spare in the moment second,

it's very hard

to know what one would do, and it takes a lot of restraint in certain circumstances,

especially when alcohol is involved in things. So

I'm with you, you know, forgiveness

is should should be there. I don't condone anything anyone's ever done, but understanding,

you know, a person centered approach understanding,

I think can only help everybody, really.

Blame never helps.

No.

I mean, it's it's understandable

for families involved courses.

I get that. But, you know, I'm not just talking murderers. I did start writing to another guy, and he was a bit dodgy. And he was asking me for money, and I looked up what he had done. And I was just,

no, not writing to you anymore.

And but with Paul, it was it was never like that. You know, when

it said on the Internet and stuff that he pleaded it is his innocence, and

we'd I used to just send him books at Christmas or on his birthday and things like that.

Yeah. We built a real friendship, and it's one of those things I'm, well, is a sad thing I'll never get to meet him, but I did my little bit, and I was very lucky that he was innocent. So I supported him on his journey. You know, when you tell somebody I'm writing to somebody on death row, he's actually innocent. They were like, yeah. Right.

And they all yeah.

We're all innocent in here. Isn't that what they say on the Shawshank,

redemption?

Well, this is it. Everybody's gonna claim it, but there are the those innocent. And just because everybody claims it, it doesn't mean that those that are

are innocent aren't innocent.

So we've got to remember that.

Yeah. It's really cool though, friend. Really cool.

Yeah.

So tell us about your channel then. Well, actually, before we go into your channel,

tell us about a bit about your life, about how you suddenly came into this

awareness,

spiritual essence, so to speak.

Well because you're very spiritually in tune and what have you.

Yeah. Because you're always like that as a child. Like, my mom was spiritual. You know? She was all she was more spiritual than religious, but even though she she, you know, she loved she spoke about Jesus and things. But I I think like my like a lot of people, I was one of them children and always kinda questioned, always

was a little bit different, maybe

quiet in regards and questioned the nature of things and

what was really going on and how we got here and, you know, and

maybe your kids do that, but, you know, there was definitely questioning early on about some,

a divineness to to everything.

And I think that that search was always in me, but I didn't really pursue it until

probably after uni. It was it was probably, like, 18 in my twenties. But, like, I grew up in a single pair at home with my mom. My nan group took me in when I was, like, 12.

I think not having a dad as well definitely

added to me. Like, it give me as a male, the female

balancing aspects that I feel are important in a male.

I I you know, one of my principles is balance,

and and it's about balancing all the aspects.

So I think the a lot of the compassion and love in me and the way of viewing certain things comes from

females, you know, from from from bringing you know, I was with my aunties, my my mom and my nanny. It was all it was all women and not my sisters, and then I've got a brother. So it was 4 of us. But my mom did an amazing job, but it was always tough. You know, she always tried to get us white, but she always pushed us. I remember in school, there was a time when I used to get got get bullied and, by these 4 lads, and they used to call me, like, chalk blackboard and

all these racist names and things. And one one day I went home and told my mom, and she she

she hit me and was like, you go back to school and you if you don't

stand stand up for yourself and you come back here, I promise you I'm gonna hurt you more than that. Oh, really? Yeah. So,

so I went to school the next day, and I saw one of them approached me. He approached me as soon as he came to me, and he was just about to start with me and pick on me again. I just hit him square in the face,

and I remember blood coming down. And I was only young, you know, this was like year 5, year 4.

But that from that moment on,

and although I never it was never about fighting and being violent, it was I found myself. I was no longer a timid person, you know, that was different. Because I think bring growing up as a mixed race,

lad as well definitely

makes you question things. So,

you know, that was my mom. My mom give me drive, give me force. It was was the warrior aspect, but my nan is is this beautiful, caressing, lovely soul, and my granddad was so. I feel that's the 2 halves. It's me half warrior and half half saint, you know, half love, half fire, half love. And that's balance, it's duality. We see it everywhere in life, don't we? So

it's always been there and then and then, you know, we move forward.

So so for someone, I mean, you hear a lot of people say, like, oh, I didn't have a dad growing up, but you think that actually that enriched your life a little bit more. Yeah. You like there's a positive and a negative to everything and, like, it's a half glass full or half glass is it glass empty glass full in it. It's that type of scenario. And I think my outlook through the spiritual practice probably was there before, I don't know, but definitely through understanding the duality of life. It's a positive.

You know, I could sit here and say, oh, I could have had this, but that's literally trying to change the fabric of of of reality and look at what if some possibilities and all of this. The truth of the matter is I didn't, and I've done pretty well, and I've had a great family around me and I feel

it was actually a little bit of a chip on my shoulder as a child and that trying to prove myself

and that's why like everything I ever tried in my life I was the I just smashed you know I was the captain of the football team in high school,

passed

I did all my smashed all my college, smashed uni, passed my driving test, but everything I ever tried, it was that force with inside myself. And I feel, if I'm honest, it was a chip. It was that proving that, you know what, if you didn't want me,

I'm gonna prove that I'm good enough.

So if anything, it only ever drove me, but then I suppose later on it was controlling that fire, you know, understanding the fire was there, so control the fire. Don't let the fire control you type of scenario.

It's interesting that you say that actually because my good friend, Joe, we were chatting the other day about if people say no to something, and she said, if somebody says no, I try even harder and I make it happen.

And she's a big inspiration in my life because I've taken on her theory lately because she does make you feel that you can do anything.

Yeah. Yeah. And I spend a lot of time saying, like, oh, I can't do that. I can't do that. And then all it takes is someone to come in and say, hey. You can do that. Have a bit of self belief, change of thinking.

That's it. And it works. Yes. That's all it is. But sometimes, you know, we need that switching ourselves. We won't always have that outside source. No. So we can. We just have to pull on things, you know. It can be any type of emotion. Mine used to be, like, sadness and anger, and this is some of the most creative

emotions that you can pull on to do anything in life. But same is happiness. Joy is just as powerful. You know, think of these things when you're about to run a race, when you're about to climb a mountain, when you're about to do anything, and they will spur you on. Think of a loved one.

Pain, trauma, or extreme love, I feel are the biggest pushes,

and we just need to hold on to them. And,

you but you're right. You know? So with that said, what you said, we should be doing that to each of each of each other. Shelly, she'll be going around and encouraging each of us. I think it it doesn't cost anything to give a compliment

or to big someone up. No. And I am that person across the road, and I'll be like, oh, I like your boots. I like your bag. I chat to everyone.

You're like, Banana Lovett. I can't help it. And when I'm on a roll, like, feeling like I'm at the moment, I am really like, Yeah, just do it. Just do it. But, you know, I had a bit of a kick in the teeth. I think I said to you, I was feeling a bit flat. I think it was due to the change of the seasons

and a few personal things regarding work. And you have to go within. But I sing to the residents on a Friday

afternoon,

and I can sing. And I'll say that without, like, bragging. I can sing.

Not amazingly, but I've got quite a good voice.

I will blow my own trumpet,

but nobody would ever say that. Oh, Shelly, that sounded lovely, or you've got a nice voice. And when because I was feeling a bit flat, and I'm not seeking

praise.

But when I came out, I was speaking to the hairdresser, and she said, Shelley, I've got to say your voice was lovely.

And she said, but the other lady said, don't tell her. We don't tell her. She's got a lovely voice, though. And I just thought,

how cruel.

You know, when you're having a real confidence dip as well and you're singing at the same time, you think, actually, do I do I sound alright? I'm not I'm not sure. I don't feel very confident. And one person can just say something,

and it changes everything.

I'm not a big editor. That's not gonna go to my head.

No. No. But by the hairdresser saying that, you think that was so lovely. Yeah. And another lady said to me yesterday, she said, you're so beautiful, Shelley. And I was so touched.

And she said, you are. But I thought, what a lovely thing to say to somebody.

You know? I don't think she's talking about my my my looks or anything, but as a person. You know? But those little things, they drive you on through the day.

And that's all we can do. That is all we can do. That should be that should be highlighted.

You know, like, I often say that the people that are this is this is the inversion of the world, which we could probably go into another time, how everything's upside down. But the people that are on your TV, the people that are running the world are the coldest people going. You know, they're they're the coldest people going. The people that some of the women aren't the duke. These are the the heroes. This is what I like speaking to to normal people. They're heroes. They have a heart. It's love.

To do that is beautiful.

And and that is that is the this that if I've got one message, it's that message, share love.

Yeah. You know, tell people they're good. Well, I speak to listen to my friends all the time about this. No one picks anybody up.

We've really got to start doing it. Our men, our women, all of us, it's not one gender. It's not one age. It's not anything.

Every age needs to hear goodness and every gender and every person needs to hear some goodness.

Definitely. And it's the same with the ex offenders I work with. Everybody, there's no discrimination

for me, you know,

and that and to me, that is the true way of Jesus.

So this is my

I've I've not got any problems with religion, but I can never discriminate against anybody.

Everybody

No. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

Everybody regardless of religion,

color, whatever,

they've got an essence within them that is that is absolutely pure, whether hidden, whether masked,

and, we're all got children.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah.

So

We are having a deep conversation. So

I'm loving it. So, yeah, go going back to your channel, Chad, all the things that you've been discovering, and my god, you've gone on you've gone down some down some rabbit holes, haven't you?

Yeah.

What what has been, like, one of the highlights of some of the stuff that you've delved into that, like, you had such fascination

with?

The the the world is an extremely,

magnificently

wonderful, wild,

crazy place, I believe.

And there's so much possibility.

You know, a lot of what we've been told about our history for a start for me is a lie. A lot of what we're told about is the present is a lie. So

I grew up watching movies, you know, and I've got this that is one of my skills. So I incorporate my movie knowledge into my movie making on YouTube. I use a lot of clips. I use a lot of voices, a lot of music,

and I try to bring familiarity to people and show them what it really means, etcetera, and what it could be showing.

So, you know, for me, a lot of our fantasy or a lot of things that were shown,

as might believe is actually

pen virgin on truth or is truth.

So everything's like ups upsidades, everything's gone

upside down.

So I believe because of that, it's an open board and

there's so much to delve into, you know, our history is questionable,

our our presence questionable, the government's great. So

it's everything,

But

in terms of, I suppose,

outrageous

type of things that I discussed, it's supposed, you know, I discussed giant trees, don't I? And,

the possibility of giant trees in our past and that they're, like, the mountains of today were once trees and,

there's people I speak to that actually talk to trees. You know, there's there's there's there's people that you know, you've heard of tree hookers and people that pull their hands on trees. You might be one yourself, but there's people that have conversation to

trees. You know, I had an enlightenment experience myself when I was under a tree, and, so I've I've always had this this this connection to trees. I find them beautiful.

I spoke to people, you know, that can see

sound.

I find that absolutely intriguing.

There's there's people out there that I had UFO type of experiences,

experience with extraterrestrials,

people that have seen Bigfoot,

people that

are aware of type of, underground bases

and secret government operations,

hedging into freemasonry

and cults, satanic rituals.

That's what I love about my channel and I love about the work. It's so vast and it's so

there's so much to it, and everything is connected. So there's not one thing. My channel just doesn't talk about

one thing. It talks about absolutely everything, and I'm happy to talk about anything.

I'm happy to talk about anyone's truth.

Yeah. Definitely.

And, I mean, I know you're,

you're a very deep person.

I don't know if I can say this on the airwaves, actually.

I don't feel better.

I'm trying to get on a I I think occasionally,

you've been known to smoke a couple of marijuana

things.

Can I say that? If if you said it, I can I I speak I speak to people that that we I speak to people that

partake in

things like that? And

myself, I'm not against anything like that. I believe it's you know, it those type of substances.

The only reason I ask is because I I I have myself,

and I've I've had, I think I've got a deeper understanding,

so to speak, because of these things. And there's, like, I would like to try, you know, our mutual friend, Paul. We always said about going and doing Ayahuasca together

for that spiritual

aspect.

This is this is it. So

I have partakes in that in the past like a lot of people and you.

Not IOS, but it's DMT. I I've done DMT. I've done similar like things,

mushrooms.

They're all variations

of of the same essence, if you like, I believe. And then, like, you could say cannabis maybe the lower the lowest form of that. It's just like

a slowing down a connection maybe to

to to the ethereal consciousness

a little bit more, a slowing of the mind.

But,

those those deeper ones, the only reason I took them wasn't for, like, leisure purposes or anything like that. They were for the spiritual purposes.

You know, when I used to read the scriptures of the past and all the old gnostic texts, a lot of these people used to drink teas

and certain things, you know, and come on, like, I I

a lot of a lot. I can't I could never say all of them. A lot of it would be psychedelic

experience,

and all that it would all that it does is jump you to that level,

And, you know,

I I'm never against it for that reason that it can help people. It can heal mental health. It can heal all types of things. It can unlock doors until you pass DNA, until you pass lives that

and give absolutely great things. But at the same time, if there's no spiritual practice there, if there's no cleanse in there within the self, all that's gonna happen is you're gonna jump right up and jump straight back down to a degree. Yeah. Yeah. There's gonna be a purpose.

Yeah. So I always if I'm ever gonna promote anything like that, I'm always saying it's like when I did it, it was after years of doing the research,

and it was almost, okay. I've got all the theory. I've done all the inner work. I've done all the meditation. I've done all the breathing and visualization.

I've got brilliant effects from that, like seeing whiteness, ecstatic feeling in the body.

You can get amazing effects just through meditation or just through breathing, but

to take it to these these oven levels where you're jumping into,

you know, talking to God. Like, you know, it's it's

You're gonna have your wits about you. And, I mean, it's something that I've always been intrigued with for years about the whole Ayahuasca. But I think if it came down to it, I think I would chicken out. I'm just scared that I'd have panic attacks and stuff like that.

But it's always something I think I would love to have that the experiences that people said, you know, but for but for the spiritual self.

Yeah. Yeah. And and that's where my journey started out. So when I was on the spiritual journey, it was to find God. It was to find out what this was all about.

And, you know, when

I won't ever like to say the enlightenment, but that that that moment of of of that experience,

what happened, it give me all my answers I would ever need and ever will need. So now all that happens is the exploring

into almost

worldly subjects and different things for the higher purpose of showing showing people this higher truth

that, you know, what Bob Marley was talking about with one law then John Lennon was trying to explain

in in his beautiful song that literally everything is 1 and,

it's absolutely beautiful.

There is a divineness

to it,

and it's only I believe the corruption and the narrative and all the crap, if you like, that we see,

and and people's ego and want and desire

that messes that off, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah. And I think we, you know, like, I'm trying to teach my 11 year old. And it's hard because,

you know, they they are materialistic.

He's a he's had, like, birthday money and that he he's itching to spend this money on crap. And I'm just like, no. You're not spending it. Alright? Just hold on to it.

And I've just got to that place in my life. And I think for quite a while now, I I think, do you know what? I've got everything.

I don't ever go without

anything.

Everything I need. We all want the occasional things, but you don't need them.

You know? And it's like, some people, they'll work, work, work because they want the new furniture and things like that. I I really couldn't be arsed. I really couldn't.

I do admire these people that are like, right. I'm gonna do a mumps overtime so I can have a new couch because that does show drive as well, people. But I think the youngsters of today, they they think that they need

everything,

you know. Whereas, like, we bought a house, you move in, you've got secondhand everything, and it doesn't matter, but you've just got your own space.

This is this is you know, do you there, Shelley? Yeah. It's all about attachment and and and all of that. And, essentially,

I I feel we grow into it and and there's different spectrums of that. You know, some people take longer, but we've all got to grow into that type of understanding that this material, this this it doesn't matter, you know. It's it's it's it's the experience. It's it's the family. It's it's sharing those moments.

It is family. It's people, like you said earlier.

Yeah. That's it. It's connection.

Yeah. And I've realized this week that, you know, like, I need to be doing more and spending more time with people. And I interviewed a woman,

on my women's show on Sunday,

and she's a pastor's wife

and she's a wonderful woman. But it's like, oh, I so needed to chat to someone like her because

when I was feeling flat, it's like you look you're looking for something to uplift you.

Mhmm. And,

actually, it's probably the people, the energy.

I'm gonna go to church on Sunday. You know? It's a bit happy clappy, and I love all of that, but it it also gives me a purpose to get up on Sunday morning.

Nice. We we'll see. You know? Might speak to you in a month. It'd be like, no. I went once. That was done.

No. I've been thinking about it. I have I have it's just yeah.

It's a beautiful thing. You don't have to do it for the for for that. It's just, again, connection and meeting people, isn't it? And and,

And I am intrigued, you know, that they're doing a bible study. They do it regularly as well. And I've always wanted to look into, like, theology and stuff like that. It's always fascinated me

because, I mean, I think I believe. I mean, if I believe in Jesus I was having this conversation with myself while walking the dog earlier. If I believe in Jesus, then I must believe in God.

Yeah. But I look at it as more of a

energy

rather than a person, if that makes sense. 100%,

surely. It's

well

I bet it's too personal for everybody. It's a g of course. And that's that's why I don't like to speak on it too because it's to offend it. But for me, that's what it is doing.

When when you, you know, you read the scriptures and they talk about you, you all he

he penetrates everything. He he he it is everything. So that that is energy. And the experience that I had, which to me confirms that, it is the energy that runs for everything. Because what happens in that experience, you become that energy. You become that consciousness that runs for everything. So it's like you leave your body and you become

absolutely everything. You are the trees. You are the sky. You are the ground. You are the birds. You are every person walking around the park.

And and and then that confirms that is what is within you, you know, and what is what is everything, but it's it's an illusion, the separation and the thingy, but

I'm with you. You know, this

it's definitely divine. It's

it's it's all it's it's it's

it's never changing. It's it's it's omnipresent.

The words for it lack every word lacks for what for what it is,

but it is beautiful and the experience that I had, if I could give you one word for it is love. It is the most

penetrating

brightest

love you have ever felt in your life and that seems to be the very fabric of absolutely everything. And that's what consciousness is to me or the energy of God. It is it it it just feels like love.

Yeah. I get it. Totally get it. Yeah.

Yeah. And obviously Sorry. Can be twisted, can't it? And and and I've been you know, love is one of those base emotions that a lot of things can stem from. So we know the opposite of love is is hate. So it's easy to see how

things on top after love could could occur. You know?

Yeah. Definitely. Your side.

K. Because there's not you know, when you've got these feelings of anger, like, for example,

I there was a time I really hated my ex partner, and I don't like using that word hate because I don't really hate

anybody.

Yeah. Yeah. And, but I used to have to say to myself,

and I would affirm it. I was walking the dog because walking the dog obviously seems to be my big thinking time.

And me and me, by the way.

Yeah. I do like affirmations and stuff like that, and I speak to spirit in my head. Well,

actually, I've kind of like no. I do talk, and I do get paranoid sometimes because somebody might come around the corner and I think, oh god. Do they think I'm

mad?

I like to have a conversation, and I like to express my gratitude

for what I have

and focus on things that I would like to improve and stuff like that.

But, I've gone way off where I was gonna go now. I can't remember when I was gonna go. But, yeah, walking the dog, all these questions

and answers. And I know, like,

I suppose it's a kind of mindfulness, really. You're at one with nature.

That's it. You're at one with nature. I believe for me, walking,

anything like that, it's beautiful for that reason, for that type of meditation, and especially early in the morning. Like, when I've just woke up, that's one of the clearest times

to to receive anything and to think about it. And then before you go to sleep,

that's a great time. But nature is just

it just feeds us. You know? I see the trees as, like, the the the the inversion of that, the man made version of those, like, cell phone towers, like power stations. Do you know what I mean? So these trees

are sending up this energy. They've got the tourist fields. You know? You're walking into them. You're walking around all these beautiful flowers that have got their energy too

and all these color and vibrance and smells, and you're just feeling it. You're just taking it in, and it's beautiful.

And whether you can feel it or not, your body can.

Yeah. Definitely. Definitely. And I suppose it's that thing called grounding as well, isn't it?

Do do you meditate every day then, Chad? No. No. I I don't anymore.

When when I went through the deep spiritual practice, it was every single day you did from when you got up, it was just practice. But

I don't know if it's right or wrong. What I do these days, it's just I feel the meditation.

Once you've practiced it long enough, it happens

naturally. It's that can happen when you garden and it can happen when you're chopping

vegetables

and cooking.

You know, everything's an art in life, isn't it? It's beautiful, and I believe everything can be slowed down. So now my life

is half meditation.

Like, I walk around in meditation almost half the time.

And it's been in the now, isn't it? Forever present.

That's it. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's it's beautiful. You know? It's funny because when I asked the lady to be on my women's hour, the pastor's wife, and,

I wasn't expecting a no, but I know it's not everybody's cup of tea.

But she replied, thank you so much, Shelley. Lovely to hear from you. Blah blah blah. She said, I will pray on it and get back to you tomorrow.

And I thought, oh, I've I've never had that reply before. Wow. But I get it because she was she was a bit dubious. And I think, you know, she knows I'm a little bit,

well, perhaps some of the topics I discuss, you know, because I used to go to a spiritualist church a lot, and lots of these Christians, they believe that that's evil

or that's the devil.

Mhmm. And we've had these conversations years ago, and I used to say, well, come to my church, and I'll come to yours. But, I think because I've been

because I've meddled in things like that, she had to question

whether she

should, well, I don't know, do God's work, discuss it with me. Or perhaps she was just nervous and thought, well, I'm gonna ask her and stuff.

But,

you you hear these people, and they're like, oh, I just love Jesus so much. He is my everything. And I would love to feel that.

You know? There was a time I used to think they're mad. It's like, what are you like?

Yeah. And now I see that sense of admiration because I think, look at you high on

love, high on God. This is it. This is it. This is it. You know? Like, I feel this is it. The names is the names. Like, for me

and this is just me. Jesus is love.

Jesus is

consciousness. Jesus is love. So,

you know,

they're just loving what we what creates us. So I can understand it and I love it too, you know, like so and I love love,

but

the only problem is is

in a sense is that that should be shared with everybody because

love loves everything and every penetrates all things. It's just the boyism

and them judgment of man that's that's

that's what the only thing for me that corrupts love, corrupts it all.

It's the bias.

Yeah. It's like that as you were saying the spirit, it's church versus the the Christian church. I I've researched them both. I've I've I've loved both

the type of

scriptures and things that have come all the work that have come from both, and I can understand both the same as I can understand Buddhism and

Hinduism and all and all of that. And I don't take offense to it. I just see it, you know, you know, if you look up at you know, if you were all looking

at a 3 d object in the sky

every and it was massive,

like, I mean worldwide. We'd all be seeing it differently, wouldn't we? Oh, god. Definitely. Everybody in the UK would be seeing it differently to everybody in India and everybody in America would be seeing it different. I just see see it as a difference in terp in interpretation, and I think that's definitely one of the things that has changed in recent years. This

I'm feeling more and more people seeing

that it's just interpretation and they're they're talking about one of the same things. Who cares who was right again? It's just more division.

This is one of the big things, division, division, division.

I don't want division, and I don't think it should be there, and that is the problem, division. And everything is that whether what's a football team you support, whether what religion you are,

you're a flatter if you're a global or I'm a vegetarian or a meat eater. It's just division causing separation.

It doesn't matter. You eat what you eat. I eat what you eat. She supported me.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. You know what I mean? But it's an interesting theory. I was just thinking about, you know, like, the the deep state and the government. In an ideal world, they would want a one world

religion.

And at the time, I can remember hearing that and feeling quite disturbed and thinking, well, I don't necessarily want to be a Buddha

or a Muslim or something like that. But if it was that way, perhaps it will actually resolve a lot of peace because a lot of the stuff is down to religion, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. But the the thing is, for me with that, they've just taken the true essence of union and oneness and inverting it. And so it scares people that it's right to because what the true essence of oneness

and union is isn't what they describe it as, and that's where the confusion lies. So for people like me that keep talking about this love and this oneness and everything, in their mind, straight away, it pops up 20 30 agenda,

new world order. I don't wanna control us all like slaves. It is it is essentially the exact opposite of that.

That's what I talk about. And I don't and people may not understand what that is, but it's union and love together with none of this control and manipulation,

none of this this this what they what they believe it's gonna be. I don't want that either. I don't necessarily want a one world order of government. No. It it's it's the opposite of that. That's the inversion of what I speak. They've inverted love

to to to that.

I like that theory. Yeah. Yeah. I've never really discussed it before, actually, but I was just thinking again when I'm out walking my dog. So yeah. God. No. No. I do. I do. I think I I think, wow. Yeah. That that's what they're trying to do, but they've inverted it like all things. It's just an inversion.

You know, everything's beautiful or everything's unique until it's inverted.

It's it's like, you know,

the Internet the Internet's an eversion of nature, isn't it? You know, we we talk about the Aoife, the Akashic records, something that's all around us. That's essentially what the Internet is. It's a copycat

of something truer.

Everything is a copy of nature and a copy of ourselves. We are the true machine. We are the we don't know our machine, but we're the true power.

It is us.

It is. You know? It'd be interesting to see how many times the word love has been used in tonight's conversation.

Perhaps AI can do that for me because,

I don't know what your views on AI are, but I've started using GPT

chat a lot lately.

Okay. And there would have been a time I would be like, no.

No. You know? But my god, it takes the time out of things.

And it's like when I've done this show tonight,

I upload it to my Pod home channel.

And within a minute,

AI has analyzed it and written out a transcript of the show. And the only thing it gets wrong is the spelling of people's names. Wow. It's it's just crazy. Yeah. In a minute.

And,

you know, I'm not the best. I could write a letter,

but it it can take me hours to think I need to make a really good letter. And I've been trying to write to various people about work and stuff, and I just type in two lines about roughly what I wanna get it out as, and this great big spiel comes up, and it sounds amazing.

But I hear now people are doing, like, the,

degrees and stuff using AI. And, I mean, let's face it. How are they ever gonna know, really?

But this is it. We're getting into a world don't be aware. We don't even know if the people that are on the that we're seeing are real. You know, we we don't know what we don't know if we're talk

it it that's where people are scared, but what you were just describing was a benefit. Now

as you know, there's there's benefits and cons in everything

and, there's pros and cons in everything. So

there there are there there is gonna be both. So it's we're heading to a time where we're just gonna have to

Yeah. Yeah. I know what you're saying because it's like, you know, people are gonna be out of jobs because of AI. You look at the self scanners at the tills and stuff like that, and people say, oh, no. It hasn't lost jobs. Of course, it's lost jobs. You know, you get, like, 3 tills open now in your local supermarket, and there's 10 self-service. But Yeah. There's always that person hovering because every, like, minute must keep you really fit, that job, actually. Going to the tills to okay your alcohol wall because the problems happen. It's terrible though. It is. And banks and money,

all of that sort of stuff. And if we do get I did see, images of supposed robots, like, cropping the farmland and stuff like that. Well, we won't need people.

Well, this is it. We've we've made ourselves redundant, haven't we? That's that's that's what we're gonna do. Essentially, what we'll be at that point in in an inverted way is god's. We can sit with our feet up while these things do everything for us. And the question is where do we go from there? Is it another reality? But

yeah. He's so it it it's really deep, but,

just I'm just wary of it. You know? I just I just I just use I it's got its benefits for what we do here, but

it's it's really moving fast.

Very fast. And I'm I'm actually

on the verge, but I'm not on the verge, and I don't care if people think I'm mad on saying it anymore. I think we are now connected

with our phones

just in the sense that, you know, you would talk about things and it appears on your stream, but I think about things and they appear on my stream. Shelley, it's scary, isn't it? Yeah. It's this this is what I this is my fear, the big brother scenario, that huge big brother scenario where absolutely everything we do think is controlled. And, like, with this Neurolink,

come on. Like, eventually, it's gonna be heading to a direction where somebody can hack people and get them to run off and attack somebody, where you hear about murderers hearing voices in their head to go and kill someone. This it's possible to do that in a technological

way through these kind of devices,

through the type of technology that we're employing.

It is a very scary world where we get into hacking and being sabotaged that way, and we aren't trained in that way, are we really? We're not yet. And I mean No. I do think we are gonna you know, we could potentially say I went out and say I went out and did something really bad or I I said something really bad,

but, actually, it wasn't me. Somebody said something

and manipulated

my voice onto it.

What proof have I got? Exactly. Yeah. It could be a bit frightening.

This is it. This is it. We could do a horror show around,

AI. We could put some music in the background. Just.

That's a good idea, actually.

But, yeah, so many possibilities with it. I mean, it's alright at the moment, but, you know, I saw jobs advertised on Indeed the other day to help be a bot on one of these websites.

Imagine saying to somebody, yeah, my job, I'm a bot. I'm an AI bot.

Just

but, you know, you notice everything. You can't speak to people, anything. You gotta click this button, and then you do get that bot.

It's and it's amazing, really.

Like, I'll I'll be honest, Shelley. I to me, I do say it's Jewel and I can see the pros and the cons and that's me being fair but in all honesty, I I feel it's an inversion and I don't like it. And that's more like my closing out with all of this. It's

it's

it's an inversion of man and a false city and I believe everything that has happened is that, you know, everything we we do is that,

and it's got its pros and its cons, but its pros and its cons only really ever benefit us. Never the planet, never the animals, never us as a whole, it only ever benefits certain individuals.

So that's me on that. Like, yeah, I'm a balanced person. I can see the pros and the cons as an objective person. I could write an essay on it. But if I go first and all chat GPT to do it for you. Yeah. Yeah. We could, actually. He's got my he's got me again. You know, there's no need for me. I can I could just type in, like, about 10 send 10 words, and it would come up with an essay?

But I'm just more, like, cleared up the fact where

the the phone is reading my thoughts or I'm syncing with my phone in some way.

You know?

And then what's that? It's god, isn't it? Like, you know, it's like a false god, isn't it? Like, we should be interacting with our higher selves, with our angels. If you want, angels. If you want, if the people wanna call it God,

not not technology,

not radio waves and frequencies,

you know, but

Shelly, all we can do is empower each other a lot what we were speaking about Yeah. You know, showing that love, talking to each other in the street, bringing about that sense of community,

and

essentially

trying to bring that union to ourselves. And I I feel I feel that's the answer, and I I I feel it can come. I do. I do as well. I notice a lot more people speaking.

Maybe it's just because I stop and I interact more with people. I can walk down the road to get something from the shop and be gone half an hour. They were worried about me the other week, but I was chatting to a man out gardening.

And I'm just, like, throwing in little hints about what's going on in the world and stuff like that. And,

you know, if anybody mentions something a bit extreme well, not extreme, but that they've read, I'll be like, oh, have you thought of this? And just,

yeah, but I've met you know, I can say I know lots of my neighbors, and that's a nice place to be in.

Those interactions are gonna change the world. It's those interactions.

It's the interactions that you're making right there with each other because they're knock on effects. We've gotta make each other feel good. When there's no trauma, pain, and sadness,

what is there to fight about? What is there to be you know what I mean? So and it's us down here that need to do that. So, Shelley, keep doing that. And my biggest person in my life, shout out to my nan, shout out to Jess, shout out to Erica

and Sloane, my lovely peoples.

Keep doing that loveliness that everyone that I integrate with, I have got this lovely quality. You're changing people's lives. It's you. There's not gonna be a magic wand that comes from the sky. When you go down the town and you speak to people and you smile at them, that person may have no one in their life. Be the change. It's you. Exactly. Exactly. Some of these people don't talk to people for days, do they? A quick quick conversation that's 2 minutes out of your life has made their day. Yes. Anyway, we need to move on, Chad. Tell people where they can find you.

Deeper conversations with Chad on YouTube.

It's as simple as that. Just type in deeper conversations with Chad. I'll cover lots of subjects, lots of different things. If you want to talk to me yourself,

have a conversation, you just need to email me deeper conversations

with [email protected].

Wonderful. Thank you for your time, Chad. But our has flown by. It has. It has. It's been wonderful. Thank you so much, Shelley. You're welcome. You take care of yourself yourself, my lovely, and we'll catch up again soon. Take care, everyone. Thank you, Cher. Thanks, Chad. Bye. Bye bye.

Wow. That flew by. Right. I'll be back same time next week.

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