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Broadcasts live every Wednesday at 7:00p.m. uk time on Radio Soapbox: http://radiosoapbox.com

In this episode of the Shelley Tasker Show, we dive into a compelling conversation with Mark Byford, also known as the Bowler Hat Farmer. Mark shares his experiences and insights from attending the Farmers' Rally in London, where he witnessed a massive turnout of 50,000 to 60,000 people. Despite the large gathering, Mark expresses his disappointment with the event's controlled nature and the lack of genuine support for farmers from political figures.

Mark discusses his initiative to support local farmers by encouraging people to buy directly from them instead of supermarkets. He shares the story of how he launched the Food Finders Hub, a website designed to connect consumers with local food producers, farmers, and markets. The platform aims to reduce reliance on supermarkets and promote local food networks.

Throughout the episode, Mark highlights the challenges faced by small farmers and the importance of sustainable and organic farming practices. He introduces the concept of "energetic farming," which focuses on harnessing atmospheric energy to improve soil health and crop yields.

The conversation also touches on the recent controversy surrounding Arla and the introduction of synthetic hormones in milk production. Mark and Shelley discuss the public's reaction and the potential impact on the dairy industry.

Listeners are encouraged to get involved with the Food Finders Hub, either by registering as consumers or by helping to spread the word to local food producers. Mark's passion for supporting farmers and promoting healthy, local food is evident throughout the discussion, making this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in sustainable agriculture and food sovereignty.

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[00:13:53] Unknown:

Good evening. I don't need this stand.   Do you need the stand?  

[00:14:00] Unknown:

Can you hear me?  

[00:14:02] Unknown:

Hell hello? Can you hear me? He's more important.  

[00:14:05] Unknown:

Are you saying you're more important than me?  

[00:14:09] Unknown:

That's not what I meant. Are you alright, my lovely?  

[00:14:13] Unknown:

Yeah. I'm all good. Thank you. Good. I'm really excited about this, actually.   So much to talk about.   It's,   I'm actually thinking we we can make a difference.   We are making a difference every day. Yeah. We are. But it's gone massive, and   I actually think that we've perhaps got this   thing to, like, thank a bit.   But, yeah, we'll get onto that in a minute.   Did your interview go alright with the light?  

[00:14:42] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's gonna run an advert as well as the, the article. So Oh, great stuff.   For the new food hub thing. Yeah. So that's all good.  

[00:14:53] Unknown:

Lovely.   Lovely. Lovely.   So, basically, Mark, in about a minute, we'll just, if you can stay quiet at your end because I don't know. I might be able to mute you. Hang on. I don't know if I can mute you or not. I'm terrible with Skype. I still haven't, like, really worked it out. But just, No. I I I have to work with phone there. Yeah.   So as soon as I say we're gonna go live, we just have to stay really quiet. Alright? No rattling crisp packets and things.  

[00:15:21] Unknown:

No worries. No.  

[00:15:22] Unknown:

Is there anything well, I'll say anything specifically. We've got an hour. We can go into a whole lot of stuff.   We'll just go with the flow because there's just loads, loads to talk about.  

[00:15:35] Unknown:

Oh, I start. Where do you even wanna start? You know, from, you know,   from Arla to tractor runs into London in 11th, innit?  

[00:15:43] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, are you happy to talk a bit about your electrical   farming as well?  

[00:15:50] Unknown:

Yes. There's there's   yes.   I can't mention the word electro culture.  

[00:15:57] Unknown:

Alright. Okay. Okay. That's alright. Well, that's Otherwise,  

[00:16:00] Unknown:

they'll just pull it off. I'll I'll tell you now. Okay.  

[00:16:04] Unknown:

That's alright. I'll word it in the right way, but that sounds fascinating.  

[00:16:07] Unknown:

I I tend to call it energetic farming.  

[00:16:10] Unknown:

Energetic farming. Right. I'm writing that down.   Energetic   farming. Wonderful.   Okeydokey. Right. I'm gonna hit the go live button, and I'll speak to you in about a minute, my lovely. Alright?   Okay. Okay. Speak to you in a sec.   Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker show coming live from radio soapbox.com.   It's good to have your company.   Today's date is Wednesday, 4th December,   2024.   Happy hump day, everybody.   So here we are, and I'm   thrilled to say that I've got a wonderful guest lined up for this evening. We last smoke spoke in February   when things were hot enough, but, god, they are hot enough now. So I'd like to introduce you all to the wonderful Mike   Mike? Mark Pyford,   also known as the Bowler Hat Farmer.  

Good evening, Mark.  

[00:18:17] Unknown:

Shelley, good evening. How are you, my lovely? I'm I'm really good. How are you?   Yeah. We're living the dream, Danny, Suffolk.  

[00:18:25] Unknown:

Well, you seem to be. I've been watching your lives and stuff, and you're, like, bursting with enthusiasm and energy. It's wonderful to watch, actually.   Yeah. I don't know what time. If you're up the time a farmer is recording these videos, but,   your your pure liveliness is really exciting. So   tell us what's what's going on then because there's some big stuff going down in there. And I think, actually,   the last week, it's become even bigger, but perhaps to our advantage of,   building our network, so to speak.  

[00:18:56] Unknown:

Yeah.   Okay. Let's let's backtrack a little bit. I went down to,   London for the Farmers' rally,   and   I went down. We took a I I booked a coach, a 56   seater coach from Bury Snemmons.   And I thought to myself, okay. We will go down there and, you know, this will be a really good experience.   And we got down there,   and   there was, I don't know, I think 50, 60,000 people, Shelley. A lot of people down there.   Right from   the whole of the Cenotaph and Parliament Square and everywhere was just   we were like sausages in a tinge. You know what I mean? It was just ridiculous.   And   went down and thought to myself,   there's a lot of people here.  

And there was a couple of good speakers to start with, and then it went downhill from there because they had all politicians on, and we couldn't kinda work out why they were even on stage, to be honest, because,   you know, you got the head of the conservatives on there. And I thought, well, she spent you know, her party spent the last 10 years pulling the farming industry to bits.   And it kind of went downhill from there, and they said, oh, it wasn't safest to march. It was too many of us. And you thought,   this is very, very controlled.  

So we've gone from the potential of having 60,000 people march around London to basically so we couldn't take part in doing that because, you know, we might, you know, might hurt somebody. Well, no one gave a flying, Frederick. You know? We just wanted to march.   So I came home somewhat dismayed, and I   decided when I got home, I left it a couple of days, Shelley, and I thought to myself, I've gotta make a video about going down because everyone's messaged me going, well, so what happened? What happened?   And I made this video, and I thought,   I'm gonna get my ass rinsed there.  

And I put the video out saying my thoughts on the day and how I thought it was totally controlled by the NFU and the government and so forth.   And much to my amazement,   everybody who was there went, oh my god. Thank god you said Mark because we all thought the same and didn't say anything.   Excuse me.   So as a result of that, I thought, okay.   The government or the NFU are not gonna they're not stepping, Shelley. We know that. They're not stepping in to help the farmers. They're they're working against the farmers left on center.   So I thought to myself,   something's gotta give here. If we wanna support the farmers, we've gotta find that, you know, as much as I've I and, you know,   a lot more people have got a voice on social media.  

There's having a voice and then there's having   a call to action for the people. Do you know? Oh, I mean, and I kinda thought to myself,   we really need to do something. This is, you know, there's   50,000, 60,000 people down there who didn't get a chance to do something, and they're pissed off about it.   So   I came home and I saw I spoke to a friend about it, and he said,   yeah. Well, what would you do if you could? So I said, well, look. I hate supermarkets, and I'm quite open about that. You know?   I said, for me, what I'd really like to do is get farmers selling more stuff,   and the, you know, and supermarkets selling less. Then I happened upon a conversation with a friend who spent 30 years working for one of the supermarkets, and she said, do you really wanna hit them hard? Do you wanna hit them on the 6 week run up till Christmas?  

She said because 6 week run up till Christmas,   she said, is the time when they pay all their shareholders'   profits out.   So I thought, okay. So I started a campaign, Shelley, online,   to   start talking about, you know, not going to the supermarkets. You know, support your local butcher, baker, candlestick maker, greengrocer, fishmonger, farmers market, you know, maker's market, whatever it might be. Don't go to the supermarket.   And I called to see a friend of mine, and he said, Mark, I I saw your video about it. The passion was just brilliant. He said, what about putting a website together for it? And I said, well, I don't know how to do that. He said, well, I can do the website. He said, you can create the content. So   between me and this really clever thing called AI,   he you know, I've sent him some voice notes, and he, you know, turns it into all the script for the website, which was being brilliant how he did it all.  

But about 4 days later, Shelley, he'd got it all built,   and I was like, bloody hell.   And we'd got so he'd come up with a website where we could have   effectively   3 things,   3 major things, which was   to have the farmers   and food producers and food shops   have somewhere to advertise themselves.   That would in turn   give them, you know, and some exposure.   There would be the customers could register on the website and, you know, they could then find their nearest place to shop,   you know, whether that's because a lot of people they say, like, oh, we'd love to go to farm shops. Can't find any. And then, you know, there's one about 2 miles from the house I don't know about.   So   but one of the problems we had, Shelley, and and I I'm sure you'll notice this, is that a lot of these big websites have loads and loads of content, but the content's old.  

So we spoke to a couple of people about importing databases.   It was like but and I I looked in Bury St. Edmunds where I live. There was,   10 local farms, and 7 of them didn't exist anymore.   And I thought, well, I don't know. Who if we buy that database? You know? To start with 70%   stuff's dead.   So I thought to myself,   well,   what we need is to be able to create really local   information,   in a hurry.   So we set up a thing called ambassadors,   and what that's allowed us to do, Shelley, is just, like, really phenomenal.   So ambassadors are people that are passionate about food,   predominantly. So they might be passionate about food from a farming point of view, but they're no longer in farming.  

Someone who's a chef, but they, you know, they don't get a chance to chef. It might be a mom who doesn't wanna give the kids poisonous food from supermarkets,   whatever that is.   But we put it out, and, I'll give you some figures in a minute. But we   so that was they would go out and talk to the, know, their local butcher, their local greengrocer, fishmonger, market stall, whatever it might be, and they would get them to register on the site for the consumers to find.   So   we we launched it, and on the day we launched it, Arla dropped the biggest bombshell in the food industry scene in probably 20 years.  

[00:25:31] Unknown:

Everything happens for no reason. Yeah.  

[00:25:33] Unknown:

You know, I'm a great believer, you know, in the universe will provide. Yeah. Yeah. So we we launched it.   Now this is off.   We're now going into our 5th day. So it's about sort of 4 4 days ago as of now, kind of 8 o'clock at night when we launched it.   To date, we are now rolling up towards 3,000 members of public, which have registered. Wow.   We have got,   2,000   sorry.   250   ambassadors,   and we're heading up to 200,   businesses on there now already.   We know they're all live because they've registered themselves. So, you know, it's new information.   And this is at the website is called food finders hub dotco.uk.  

So we've launched the website. Content's flooded into it. You know? It's just been phenomenal. I've I've done various interviews and shows this week,   and   the the response has just been absolutely second to none. So it's lovely that we're already being able to support farmers,   and there's one of the, companies that advertises on there does does boxes of lamb, you know, like half a lamb. Yeah. And they they put their advert up, and they messaged me the next day and said, just so you know, we've already had our first sale from the website.   Oh, brilliant. And at that point, we only at that point, we only had about 500 people registered. I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. And then they rang me you know, messaged me a couple of days later to say, we've had 5 boxes ordered.  

So that's   I don't know how much half a box of lamb is, but let's say it's even a £100. I'm sure it's more than that. But if it was a £100 even, it's   £500 supermarkets haven't taken.   And that, to me, excites me, Shelley, because I hate them with a passion. They said there's nothing good comes out of a supermarket. You know? When you walk around a supermarket and you think to yourself,   there's all these aisles. I don't know what there is. You know? 26 aisles in the supermarket, and there's one what's got a sign saying health food section. Well, what's the rest of it?  

[00:27:36] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. You could literally get away with 1 or 2 aisles, couldn't you?   Yeah. You I'm flabbergasted,   actually, Mark, because I've been watching,   some of your stuff and listening to your interviews, and I had no idea, actually, that you've just bumped this up in the last couple of weeks. I thought this was a project that had been ongoing.   And lo and behold Not at all. Not at all. Wow. I mean, I was at London as well that day, and I was likely very disappointed.   Yeah. And that's what? 2 weeks ago yesterday, I think it was. So wow.  

[00:28:07] Unknown:

Holy moly. Yeah. You're doing big things. And, I mean, we we one thing I will say, Shelley, we've been absolutely blessed with the fact of one thing. We put out, you know, so I do try and do a video every day.   I haven't done one today because I've got a spit sore throat, but   one of the things which I did notice was that we put out, an appeal for donations to help, you know, get it built.   And as a result of putting the appeal out, we got £2,000 donated,   by different people.  

[00:28:39] Unknown:

Crikey.  

[00:28:40] Unknown:

So I was I was just gobsmacked. I was just like you know, it's it's one thing, you know, if people sign up for something because it's free, and you think to yourself, well, that you know, the reason they signed up was because it's free.   But not only are they signing up because they wanna support what we're doing and how we're trying to help the farmers, they're even prepared to put their money where their mouth is. And that, to me, is just has been mind blowing.   You know?   The next step for us, and I have to say,   Shelley, I think what we're gonna do is we're gonna launch off the back of this the CIC, a community interest company.  

And then   and and I'll tell you how this came about. I went to see my cousin the other day, and   he runs a,   a small council farm, sort of 12 acre farm. And he got given it a year ago, let's say.   And   he's   just so passionate and enthusiastic about it like I am about the job, you know,   about growing food, about   sustainability. He's all organic. He's growing it exactly how I wanna see it growing. He's growing exactly what I wanna see it grown. He's doing it exactly how I think it should be done. But he's not earning any money, Shelley, and you think to yourself,   how how do you cross that line? You know?  

And one of the things I noticed when I was there, he'd put up a polytunnel in this,   summer of last year.   And the metal frame's all up. It's got no plastic on. And I said to him, oh, you know, what's the hold up? And he said, no. I haven't got the £500 for a piece of plastic.   And it got me thinking. I thought, do you know what, Shelley? I bet there's hundreds of little farms across the country that have that project they can't afford to finish. Yeah.   And I thought, I wonder how if we've raised look. I look at it like this. If we've raised £2,000 to build a website and, you know, and I'd love us to continue, you know, raising funds, you know, so we can just do more things because and that got me thinking, well, someone like, you know, Mike,   he's got   an extension to his growing year if he can get some plastic on this tunnel.  

You know? He can grow more food as a result of having it. He can support the local community more. You know? He can support himself more,   as a result of it. But for the sake of 4 100 quid, 4, £500 get it finished. And I was like,   god. How many projects could we help over the course of the next year   by me doing videos about it and putting it advertising it on the website, on the hub,   for people to be able to help support, you know, and say, well, look. You know, I'll chuck in an extra 5 quid this month, and I you know, because it ain't gonna make no difference to my life. But if a 100 people do it, he's got his tunnel finished. And I thought there must be loads of, you know,   farmers out there which have you know? And this is what always makes me laugh, Shelley. People say, oh, all these rich farmers in the you know, they should pay this inheritance tax. Shelley, most people haven't got a clue about farming, and they don't have a whilst there is some people I accept that fall into that category,   most of the small farmers that I know, they don't even get a basic bloody wage. You know? They've got projects started and finished everywhere. If, you know, if something's   been damaged by wind and they haven't got the money to repair it, if a piece of equipment's broke, they don't have the money to repair it. And then you just think to yourself, you know, a lot of these small independent growers and, you know, I'm talking about, you know, growers here and,   you know, a lot of little,   market gardens and things. Not not big ag agri, you know, farms.  

And there must be a number of them across the country that could just do with that little step up, you know, that little help and support, And that's what I wanna get this to do.   And so, yeah, I think for me,   I I kinda found my calling, I think.  

[00:32:16] Unknown:

I think you have.   Excuse me. Because what do they say farmers are? They've got,   what's the saying? Equity   money, but cash no cash. I can't remember the exact phrase for it. But yeah. No.  

[00:32:30] Unknown:

I mean, I know from, you know, my experience of me running my farm for 10 years.   I've actually moved now onto somebody else's farm, and I'm blessed blessed where I am now, I have to say, because they're kind of they've got enough equipment about that if I need a piece of equipment, it's there. I mean, when I ran my own farm, I ran it for 10 years, and the only thing I achieved was coming out about £8,000   in debt.   So I But perhaps there's another  

[00:32:56] Unknown:

idea, though. You know, like, shared machinery   and stuff like that.   There's there's gotta be so many ways. Yeah.  

[00:33:04] Unknown:

You know, I've seen some such   brilliant initiatives in the last year. I'm a member of the Land Workers Alliance, and I I, you know, see some of the things what come out through that. And I think to myself,   you know, they've got seed saving systems.   You know, we all know the seeds have been messed about with.   You know, they've got compost,   initiatives   where they, you know, swap them out on themselves.   It's just brilliant.   But, Shelley, I think what we're gonna see is a lot more of this in the forthcoming.   I think what we're we've seen,   and I do wonder and I'll put this out there if anybody else has had this thought or not. But   if you follow the 23rd agenda   and you look at the WEF agenda as a whole   and how they want   to cripple the dairy industry and how they want to stop us eating meat,   they've just achieved it. Because   if you think, you know, our state that they only had 15 farms in trial, whether that's true or not, I don't know. But what I will say is I had several letters from our farmers   that were not part of the trial that said, it's all good and well you're asking people to buy Arla, but you're just not we're now not selling milk. So I kinda feel sorry for the farmers, but then I don't because I think, well, you got yourself into bed with these people. Get yourself out.  

And I know that's a bit harsh, but,   you know, Shelley, I I go around some of these farms, and I think to myself, you know, they've got 500   head of cow you know, of dairy cows, what they're milking,   and they're getting paid 25, 26 p a liter for the milk and can't. That's not even covering the cost of production.   And then I go to another farmer who's got 30 cows, and the guy's earning a fortune   because he's selling raw milk at the gate out of a dispenser at £1.30   a liter, and you think to yourself,   some of these farmers need to just have a rethink about their business models, I think.  

[00:34:59] Unknown:

Yeah. There there is a way out of it as well. Because if everybody's stood their ground, I know lots of people are like, oh, we're in contracts and stuff like that, but you can pull out of contracts.   You know? What are they gonna do? If if they fine you, you know, you've not got the money to pay it.   I'll pay a pound a month, whatever.   But,   I've I'm really excited about it because, actually, this you know, like we say, we don't know how many   places they've trialed it on and stuff like that.   But the amount   of posts I've seen on social media, I mean, the last few days, it's just gone   crazy.  

And, actually, perhaps been phenomenal. Yeah. Perhaps the introduction of this bovir thing is what we needed   to spark up that what's going on with our food. I know I know a lot of us are really aware. I am very conscious of Yeah. What I consume and I try to buy from my butcher and everything like that, but there's so many people they don't know. And I've been telling them, and they're, like, flabbergasted.   It's, you know, it's a really important thing, your health, isn't it? And do we want that synthetic hormone? And one of the arguments, I believe, that Arla said   was that it doesn't go into the cow's bloodstream. Therefore, it won't go into the milk,   which I know as a mother that breastfed her child that actually, you know, my child from from my milk was getting my immunity and everything like that. So it doesn't matter one iota   if it goes in the bloodstream or not, and I think that's rubbish anyway.  



[00:36:21] Unknown:

But Jenny, can I ask you a question? Have you ever heard a statement which was given out by the British government 4 years ago called safe and effective?   Oh, it does ring a few bells. Yes. Yes. Does that ring a few bells? It does. You have to ask the question, don't you? It's, you know, are we being sold the same pile of crap again?   I think I personally think this is gonna destroy   a lot of the industry.   But what I will say is I don't think that's a bad thing because those farmers   will survive, I think, but they might not survive in the contracts they've got. They might not survive farming the way they are, but they will survive.   And I think what will come out of this, I've got to be honest, is a better food production for milk than what we've been getting at the moment.  



[00:37:04] Unknown:

Sure. And, I mean, it's not just That's what I'm hoping for. Milk, is it? The things that I've seen so many sites,   so many people write into the local supermarket,   supermarkets   and dairy farms and stuff. And lots of these places didn't even know   about the whole bovir thing, and they were quite concerned about it. And I think now that they're advertising their business, like, we do not use bovir ingredients and stuff, and it's actually gonna work out better for them.   I think they've seen Absolutely. This is the train to jump on.  

[00:37:35] Unknown:

Well, absolutely. I mean, give you a classic example.   We I run a fruit and veg wholesale company.   And one of the, the companies we use, Freshways,   and they're our milk company. And Freshways supply a lot of milk to what I'm gonna across the country to independent stores.   So, you know,   the the the small village shops and, you know, the premiers and, you know, all these kind of little laundices and all this.   And as a result of that and I spoke to the rep, and I said, look. You know,   I'm really concerned about this, he said. And he sent me straight away within 30 seconds, you know, because I've I've WhatsApp him. Within 30 seconds, I had a company statement back.   And he said, Mark, we definitely do not use this. And I thought, well, Freshways are a big organization. They're a 100% not using it. Then I spoke to McQueen's because and we use them some somethings.  

And McQueen's, we are 100 percent not using this. And McQueen's do doorstep delivery   still across the country.   You know, people can jump on that and get milk delivered to the door. And I I know   I know that has a certain amount of romance to it for me. You know?   The bot the glass bottle.   But there's plenty of good people out there who are delivering good milk.   Now this isn't for people to be worried about. You know? This is if you look into this,   Shelley, I will say, it's predominantly   the things   like the,   supermarket's   own brand, like Marks and Spencer's, Tesco's,   Sainsbury's, Audi, Lidl, and so forth. Their own brand milk.  

You've got all the, Arla products like,   Craven Dale,   you know,   LERPAK butter, and and then you start looking into it and you go, well, average chocolate's got it in.   So   I think what it's done is gonna have brought a massive amount of attention to it as a whole. And I think   and I hope I I really do hope this, Shelley.   I hope this is the tip of the iceberg, and I hope there's lots more information comes out just like this,   over the course of the coming weeks. You know, with the run up to Christmas and people are out buying anything and everything, you know, at supermarkets.   Just take a little bit of a back step and just think to yourself,   is that the best place to be buying that?  

Let let a classic example here for me is a leg of lamb. You know, you think to yourself, oh, you know, for a boxing dog, we'll have a nice leg of lamb.   And that leg of lamb has traveled halfway around the world because they're selling the leg of lamb from New Zealand   at, you know, whatever it is, £35 a leg of lamb rather than British being 45.   People say, well, how can it travel around the world   and come in cheaper? Well, easy because the New Zealand government is subsidizing the sales. You know, they subsidize the cost of getting it to the UK.   And what people don't know, and, you know, not gonna teach you as a converted here, but a lot of people didn't. And I've got to be honest, Shelley, this includes myself.  

I didn't realize that when they export all the,   lamb from New Zealand,   it's stored in tanks of carbon dioxide.   So they hold it in effectively a state of limbo until it gets to the UK.   Then when they open the caskets,   it obviously starts to decay. So they then have a time frame where they can get it on the shelves where, you know, because naturally,   meat decays.   But it's it's can stay in the state of limbo for months on the travel here,   and nobody does anything about it. And that's like, well, that's not fresh meat. I assumed it coming just in my ignorance, naively. I assumed it came in frozen.   And I spoke to a butcher, and he went, you no idea. And I looked into it, and I was nearly sick. I was like, oh my god. This is months old, this meat, by the time it gets on the shelf.  



[00:41:17] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I remember you saying that before, actually, and it's like nearly 50% of all of our food is imported, isn't it?   It's actually higher than that. It's, where are we? 62 percent's imported now. Right. And that should go up to 70,  

[00:41:28] Unknown:

percent next year because, obviously,   we've got   this battle on with the government over   oh, Shelley, where do you start? Let's you know, you can look at,   you know, planting trees   on agricultural land,   set aside, you know, fruit schemes, you know, like planting pretty flowers. We've got solar panel farms going up left, right, and center   when there's perfectly good roofs and car parks where they could be put onto. But we know it's not about that. It's it's not about creating electricity. It's about destroying farmland.   Now on that note, what I will say as well is   because I I've done a lot of research. I go down, like, probably, like, self shallow. I go down a lot of rabbit holes.  

One of the things we've been doing on the farm is we've been   growing a lot of vegetables in the last year organically and getting the ground,   a lot more,   susceptible to, you know, good quality soil   so that we're creating,   life in the soil. Because we we did some soil tests,   and   the life in the soil of of the farm I'm on is about 5%. That's all. So the only way you can grow anything is chuck lots of new, you know, nitrogen on it like nitrogen.   So you look at it and think to yourself, there's no way we can continue growing food like this.   We've put glyphosate on it to kill the weeds. We've put nitrogen on it to make it grow, and it's just stripped the soil of anything any good. So   excuse   me. So I set out to regenerate   the land we're using.  



[00:43:15] Unknown:

Are you still there? Sorry. Incorp we've incorporated  

[00:43:18] Unknown:

yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I don't know what happened there. No. That's alright.   As a result of that, we've incorporated  

[00:43:29] Unknown:

I don't know if you've got bad weather, Mark, because,   you've gone silent on me.  

[00:43:35] Unknown:

What's that for you, darling?  

[00:43:37] Unknown:

You're back?   Dodgy. Hey, Paul. You're back. Back in the room.  

[00:43:44] Unknown:

Yeah. My back? You're back?   Oh, excellent.  

[00:43:49] Unknown:

Is have you got bad weather? As a result,  

[00:43:52] Unknown:

well, it is raining heavy. Yeah. Yeah.   As a result of that, we ended up that we put,   if I say energetic farming,   where you can harness the energy from the atmosphere,   I I I won't say what it's normally called because, otherwise, they'll pull it.   But we've been using that and   putting really good bio into the soil and lots of compost, lots of natural fertilizers.   You know?   So how does that how does that work? And so forth.   So that works on gathering the energy from the atmosphere Mhmm. And putting it into the soil   and using that energy to   give strength to the plants.  

And that's   very exciting, I have to say.   Because from my side,   what we are seeing, the results we're getting, Shelley   I'll I'll tell you what what I'll do when we finish is I'll send you a message with a video, which I took. We grew some garlic,   on the farm.   And   within 10 days,   the garlic was out of the ground, and it was it was in the ground about 3 inches, let's say.   And as a result of it being,   under this new energetic style of farming,   it was out of the ground, and it it overlaid my, you know, sort of fingers, you know, on top of each other. Let's save your hand on top of each other. It was over the height of my hand.   And I thought,   that's in in 10 days, that's got, you know, that's grown about 6 or 7 inches,   which, you know, is unprecedented, you know, as the weather's coming cold. This is, you know, within the last few weeks. So it's been, you know, the year's coming.  

So we covered it up again again because I said to the girls, we need to cover it up because otherwise it'll bolt. It's my partner and a volunteer who comes from the farm. And so they covered it completely over, so it was just the tips out of the ground. And 4 days later, it was up another 6 inches tall.   Wow.   And the strawberries   got growing on the farm in compost bags, you know, in in, you know, like, in, like, tomato bags, which are on top of bales.   They're growing   still and now starting to flower in the in December,   where   they should now be dying off and not there.  

So we're seeing some really encouraging,   signs.   What we've also found is that it's putting the goodness back into the ground and putting the life back into it. We're getting a lot more worms coming in the ground now,   a lot more bugs coming back to the ground as well because people say, oh, you know, bugs are a bad thing. You don't want insects. You do. It's good and bad.   You   know, you can you can   encourage the birds to be there.   You can encourage the birds to be there, and you can be in the position that, you know, that they'll eat insects for you. Like, we're getting some runner-up next week to kinda tidy up around the beds because they'll eat the greenfly and things. There's so much people can do in in my opinion in farming. I think one of the biggest problems we've got, Shelley, is that   farmers who work on an agri scale when they've got thousands of acres, they can't farm like   that. But if they farm and they get   4 to 5 ton of food per acre,   right,   that's all they're gonna produce, 4 to 5 ton an acre, and that's gonna cost them a lot of money in fertilizers and, you know, weed killers and nitrogen and things. So but they only produce 4 to 5 ton an acre.  

Now on the growing vegetables, how we do and the reason I say vegetables is because most of these big agri farmers either grow   wheat, barley, or sugar beet.   Now no none of those to me are something what's used as a stable diet.   They all end up in the processing system.   Alright? So they're not even like if you grow a potato, you can eat a potato.   You know? If you grow a carrot, you can eat a carrot. If you grow wheat, you've gotta process it to be able to eat it. The problem is it's the processing systems   all across the country and the world, I have to say, where additives get cooked.  



[00:48:08] Unknown:

Yeah.   Excuse me. And this is the thing, isn't it? I mean, like, I've started buying porridge, but they   are supposedly   organic.   But we just can't trust what we're eating, and they don't put the food labels on, do they?   Are   you there?  

[00:48:24] Unknown:

Well, no. You know? So yeah. I'm back. I'm back. Are you there? I'm here.  

[00:48:31] Unknown:

Hello? Hello? Can you hear me? Poor connection.   Yeah. It's probably your weather if it's raining heavily up there.  

[00:48:38] Unknown:

Let me just one second. One second. Let me just see if I can just change this over to  

[00:48:45] Unknown:

Tell you what. Let me play a quick song, and you sort yourself out, Mark. I've got a really relevant song that I found out found about the farmers. And Okay. I'll play that, and you can sort things out at your end. Alright? I'll speak to you in a couple of minutes. Okay. Okay.  

[00:49:13] Unknown:

His cows get loose and run right through the fast food parking lots,   and daddy gets calls from the many miles   when they're down and from his house.   When his tractor   backs up traffic,   the reception   ain't too warm.   The farm.   He worked and slaved in 68.   He bought these fields and   trees.   He raised his corn in a big red barn   and a healthy   family.   We learned to love The Woodlands.   A farm.   Up a hill that's deep, you can't fall roots when they run that deep.   He's gonna live and die   in the  

[00:52:59] Unknown:

Daddy won't sell the farm. Welcome back to the Shelley Tasker Show. If you've just popped in   popped on, so to speak, we've just,   we've got the wonderful Mark Byford on, also known as the Bola Hat Farmer, who has been talking about his wonderful food finders hub.co.uk,   which you must visit and get involved in.   Welcome back, Mark. Are you there?  

[00:53:22] Unknown:

Hello, Shelley.  

[00:53:24] Unknown:

Welcome back.  

[00:53:26] Unknown:

So where where are you? I've moved up the farm, so I've got a different broadband in each part of the farm. Alright. Brilliant.   Yeah. So what what I was saying is, so if we've got all these big farmers producing, you know, sort of 4, 5 ton an acre of food,   and   that's all they produce, and they're they're growing food that, you know, sugar beet, wheat, barley that's going into processing what we don't really want anyway,   then   we come along, we grow on really fertile   soil. You know, take 2 or 3 years to get this fertile soil back, you know, the life back into it. Over the course of 3, 4, 5 years, you get really nice soil again.   And you grow 30 to 40 ton of vegetables per acre.  

That's a vast difference.   So when everyone's going, oh, you know, we're losing all this land, you know, to solar farms and building. No, Shelley. I don't think it actually makes a difference. We've got plenty of land. We just need to grow the right food on it, and we need to grow it in better quality soil, which we can make ourselves.   And, unfortunately,   you know, everyone's looking at the food supply chain   breaking and falling to bits   because that's how it's been for the last 50 years.   Well, it's broken. There's there's no two ways about it. It's broken from   every aspect of farming,   you know, every aspect.  

You know? And I don't mean that from disrespect to the farmers, Shelley. I really don't.   Farmers   are amazing people. We twist. We turn. We bend. We, you know, we can create things out of nothing. You know, most farmers, Shelley, you know, I know from my side of animals on the farm and that   one day I'm the midwife.   You know? An hour later, I might be the plumber. 2 hours later, I might be the electrician. The next thing I'm I'm working in the packing house. We're diving about all over the place doing everything.   And I think that most people think, oh, a farmer just drives a tractor. Well, I don't hardly ever get on a tractor.  

I'm doing 2 bitty doing everything else. Yeah. Yeah. You know?   So I do think that if if the people   and and I do do think this. The people   have proved, Shelley, in the last week   what power they've got, and they've taken it upon themselves   to give Arla the biggest   ass kicking I've ever seen a company get in my life on social media.   Now   who's next? That's what I wanna know. Who are we gonna go for next?   Because that has to be the thing. You know? I've done videos. You know? There's some great videos out there by people like Gareth Wynn Jones and Richard Vobes and different people who, you know, put some cracking videos together that go out to people. And you think to yourself,   there's a lot of us out there who've got a voice. There's a lot of us out there shouting about this from the treetops. You know? You've only got to look at the BS with net 0. Oh, just just   despair at that.  

You know, and we're gonna lose all this land to plant in trees and everything else. That's all good and well, but where's the food gonna come from? And this has got to come from the grassroots   up. This has got to come from people growing veg at home,   people you growing in community projects. This has got to come from people taking over small areas of farmland,   obviously, with the farmer's consent.   And and the farmers know how to grow food, Shelley, but they forgot how to grow it organically,   sustainably,   you know, environmentally friendly. You know, all these things what don't stack up anymore, where we look at it and we go, do we really need the farm that way? Do we really wanna grow food that way? You know? It's all about production. It's all about cost. It's all about profits.  

It should just be about   for me, it should be about the taste, the quality, the nutritional value.   And I think people have forgot what food is completely. You know?   When I was a kid, I always think you know, when I was little, I'm 56 now, but let's say when I was 50 years ago when I was 6,   granddad had massive allotments outside of the farm where he grew all vegetables all year round.   So   if I was there for breakfast or dinner, you know, Nan would say, right. You know, pop out of Granddad and get you know, we need some potatoes and some carrots and some beans, whatever it might be. You know? Or, you know, there might be some rhubarb or some apples or some blackberries need picking. You know? And we needed, you know, some sort of meat to go with it. So granddad did just grab a chicken, ring your snake, that, and go off to Nan.   Excuse me.  

And,   and you had a plate full of real food.   Real food. You know? Vegetables and meat. You know? Now unless it's got some processed food, most people don't even know what real food is anymore. And   the problem is people now spend all day eating and and getting obese, I think, because   they are in the position that   the   food they eat has no goodness in it. It's got no nutritional value, so they need 2 or 3 meals a day rather than 1, you know, 1, one and a half good meals a day.   You know, they people say, oh, you need 3 meals a day. When we were kids, we never had 3 meals.  

[00:58:22] Unknown:

You're gonna start me off. I wanted to clear my throat for ages. Hang on. I'm gonna go off.   Sorry, dear listeners.  

[00:58:30] Unknown:

Yes. I apologize for that. I've I've got a real stinker at the moment. Oh, bless you. So, you know, you you think to yourself,   where where are we at the moment? We we're not in the right place with food as a whole.   We need to get ourselves back to basics, and that needs to come from the people   telling these   bloody supermarkets   what it is they do want. Because   if the consumers have got this much power and they've proved en masse, Shelley, I've never seen anything set social media on fire like this has. You know?   So we've got all these people who are starting to wake up about the food industry and saying, hang on. This isn't right.  

We need to take that to the next level. We need to get farmers growing proper food. We need to get people buying that food   either directly or indirectly through farmers,   you know, growers, producers.   You know, you got someone like I delivered to a a company in Burris Denhams. They've got a couple of, bakery shops, and they've got their own bakery, Worcester's Bakery. Beautiful, beautiful. Artisan Breads. And, you know, they've got a beautiful big bakery where they, you know, like a factory unit where they produce it, but everything's made by hand. You know? And, like, bread should be with people involved. You know, they have dozen people work there, and it's like, wow. This is like a proper, you know, cottage industry style, you know, bakery.   And to me, that excites me to go there because, you know, they're turning out things with, you know,   the classic example. You know, when we go to the bakeries themselves, they've got apple and blackberry pies, which have now finished, which I'm a bit sickening, you know, sickened about because but they only do things seasonally. Mhmm. This is something we need to look at again, seasonal food.  

I I came across the lady the other day, Shelley, which,   you know, you meet those people in life which just make your hair stand up on on the back of your hair on the back of your head. And this lady said to me, she said, you know when you get a cold, she said, you have a spoonful of honey.   I said, yeah. She said, you always need to try and get the honey what's local because   you know that the the kind of the DNA that you know, we know the pollen and that is what,   if it's local, honey, it's good for you. She I said, yeah. She said, food is exactly   the same. I said, sorry. She said food is exactly the same. The DNA of, you know, the content, the protein, and the nutrition, and the vitamins, and minerals, what your body needs are in your local soil to you.  

She said, so your food grown locally by you, by your neighbors, is what the food you need. She said, you import something from the other side of the world Hasn't got the same nutritional value your body requires. That makes a lot of sense. Blew my mind. Yeah. Definitely.   Blew my mind.   I was like, oh my god. That you know?   Shelley, bear in mind, I run a fruit and veg wholesale company. So, you know, 70% of what we sell is bought in from overseas, whether that's coming in from Spain or South America, you know, Australia, New Zealand, or wherever it's coming in from. And I'm always fighting against the fact of, you know, with, you know, some of the big wholesalers, the importers we're using. It's like,   why can you not get me some British apples? It's October. We should be we're picking English apples now. Why are we selling French ones? And they go, Mark, we can't get them.  

And and then a friend of mine has set up   a a fruit juice business, you know, doing apple juice, pure apple juice. Nothing in it. Just apple juice,   and bit c. And   he started asking about and do you know what, Shelley? There's loads of little orchids about,   loads of them, and they're just all derelict. People don't pick them anymore. No. They just full of them. Worm rot.   Yeah. And there's all this food going away, and you think to yourself, why is that? So it isn't worth them picking it because it isn't viable because they've gotta give someone too much money to pick it.   And that, unfortunately,   that BS has come about over years of abuse by the supermarkets trying to smash British farmers down down and down and down in price because they wanna sell something for 99p   and, you know, and and it's really worth 199.  

But the supermarkets have constantly bashed and bashed and bashed. And this has been allowed to happen, I must say, Shelley, because this has been allowed to happen by the government doing, you know, sneaky things with supermarkets. You know? They allow their them to have staff on zero contract hours. They allow them to have, you know, no sick pay. They allow them to do all these things because they're on 0 hours. You know, where if a farmer employs 2 people,   he he abides by the rules. He gives them people 39 hours a week. You know? He has to pay the holiday pay, the sick pay, and everything else. So his cost of production is high.   And, unfortunately, the supermarkets, in a in a way, effectively have been subsidized by the British government to reduce their overheads, so which they can then buck,   you know, and screw the farmers over all the time because that's the way if you don't if you don't wanna supply me that for, you know, 25 pence a liter, we'll go and get it from India because India will supply   dry powdered milk, bring it back into the country,   regurgitate   it with water,   repackage it as red tractor because they're now saying it's made in England because it's got 99% of its water. So it must be English because it's war the water was English. You know? And you think to yourself,   jeez, that's alive. What are we doing to British farming, and what are we doing to the people? You know, just I want something. When I eat it, I wanna go, wow. You know? For us, you know, we grow veg on the farm here. You know? When we pick our own veg, it's like, oh my god. You know, the flavor, the taste, the the new you know, you know you've got good value out of it. Yeah. I don't And, unfortunately, I Sorry. Carry on.  

No. I was just gonna say and I think that's what we've come away from, isn't it? We've this has been pulled away from us very slowly over the course of the last 50 years   to the point that, you know,   I'm gonna say my daughter probably doesn't even know what much about vegetables.   You know, if it don't come in a package, she don't know what it is.  

[01:04:13] Unknown:

Well, I noticed myself. I don't know why I got into the habit of, like, boiling carrots. And I said to my other half, do you know what? These taste bloody awful all the time. They taste of nothing. And my daughter said steam them. And I couldn't believe the difference in taste. It's the way we're cooking food as well.   But,   I wanted to hit on a point. I was listening to you on,   Eric from Essex. Have I got it right? He's showed you on on Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On Fookermore Radio.   And,   we got into the conversation well, you guys did. I'll say I was I got into it as well because I was in the chat.   But you were just discussing, like, ways because people do say, oh, it's too far, too far to go and too expensive. And I disagree with the expensive thing because I think, you know, me that I buy at the butcher's is, yeah, a little bit more maybe than Tesco's, but I'd rather eat fewer meat than, you know, stuff that's been transported all over the world. But it got me thinking,   yeah, I got really excited then because I thought I know so many people that want raw milk, and I think our closest raw milk supplier   is imbued.  

And I emailed them ages ago, and they said that they're very sorry, but they don't deliver this far down.   But the conversation that you had was about getting people to club together, and once a week, somebody goes up and gets the deliveries.   There's so many ways,   can potentially, like, build the farmers markets up that way as well.  

[01:05:34] Unknown:

Yeah. Well, we we've been looking the last few days.   One of the things what came out of that conversation,   it was,   Paul England, I think, who we've said it the other night on the on the in   Paul English. That's right.   On the other night with us. And one of the things what's come out of that, we're now about to launch on the website on the new, food finders hub dotco.uk. We're now gonna launch a thing called community collectors.   So I love it. There's   there's loads of retired people out there, and we've been contacted by,   Shelley, it's been mind blowing. We've had 100 upon 100 of emails from people saying, oh, I live in this area, but, you know, from from two sides here on on on older people. Right? On on a class older people as I'm 56, so older than me. Right?  

And and this this is we've had a lot of people saying, oh, I really love the idea, Mark, but the nearest farm shop to me is 12 miles away, and I can't get there because I don't drive. There's no public transport. And then we've had the other people who were saying, oh, I'm retired. I've got nothing to do. I've got a car. You know, I've got my pensions coming in. They just want something to do. And they're offering their services to go and run around and collect some of this stuff from the farms, almost like Uber drivers do. Yeah. But just they wanna do something for the community.   That blew my head because I was like and and and speaking to Paul about it the other night, and I was like, oh my god. We've missed something here. The whole point of this is to get the food from the farmer, the producer   to the public,   and not everybody can do that section. And and I don't know what the percentage is, but let you whether it's 10, 20, 30%.  

There's some people who wanna support this and can't. So what's the answer? The answer is, you know, this could be ambassadors who wanna step onto that role as well or just people that are just, you know, there's loads of people that give their time through the churches, for instance,   that wanna just do something good for the community,  

[01:07:25] Unknown:

and that's just beautiful. Yeah. You could just get that or, I mean, depending   I would work the transport   out after because I've already been thinking, like, oh, you'd have to have an Uber that's a van, really, if you're getting a massive supply for people   and to make it worth their while.   But   there's so many people. I think, like, you know, I was thinking I could perhaps target, like, 3 or 4 streets and have a good old chat about them, about what's going on with the farmers, give them a leaflet.   Would you like to order, you know, once a week? We're almost going into business   because we have to to get decent quality food, but I think that's so doable. If you picked up a few customers and you all paid a bit extra,   you know, people pay for their Tesco deliveries and stuff, don't they? So what's the difference, really?  

But they're getting good food. No. That conversation just really got me so excited on Sunday night. Yeah. And, I'm glad you got something from it because I think it's brilliant when you throw things around. A few of you chatting. It's like, oh, we can do this. Yeah. It moves people on. Motivates them.   I was straight on the phone to my friend, and I was like, sure. Do you think we should do this?  

[01:08:29] Unknown:

Anyway, sorry. Isn't isn't isn't that what the beauty of, like, the media like someone like yourself who's who's running their own channel? Isn't that the beauty of what we can achieve? Definitely. Because it is all grassroots. It's you know,   we don't know. We we do these different shows. Now for me, I put my videos out and things. Do you know what? The second day, Shelley, we did the, we launched the website,   We had inquiries from South Africa,   Australia,   Asia,   Brazil,   Canada, the USA, all from people saying, how do we franchise this? And we were like, we don't wanna franchise it. It was never about earning money. It was just about getting farmers to sell more projects.   You know, we don't why do we need to earn money from it? We don't need to go down that road. We we you know? And I've gotta be honest. My mate said to me, how are you gonna monetize this site? And I said, I ain't got a clue. You know, it has to eventually point because, you know, the I'm sure the donations will run out, and there's gonna come a point where we go, oh, god. How do we fund all this? Because, you know, servers need paying for and adverts need paying for and everything else.  

So we are gonna have to address that along the way, I'm sure, but at this point in time, I haven't even thought about it and don't care. But,   you know, you sort of think to yourself, we've got all these people wanting to wanting to get involved   at something what just involves something so stupid called food.   Why do all these people now suddenly wake up and go, hang on a minute? You know, we've been through the jibby jab stuff.   We've been through, you know, what's going on around the world with kids disappearing. All the things what, in my opinion, should have sparked the population off didn't.   And here we are with the one thing, really, what, you know, we take so for granted, Shelley, don't we? We just take for granted   food and water as absolute it's always gonna be there.  

And here we are. We know what the game plan is for the WEF and the, you know, 2030 agenda. We know it's to depopulate the planet. We know it's to reduce the amount of food on the planet. We know it's to get us to beg for forgiveness and, you know, and eat whatever they give us and be happy with it. Not thank you. Not taking part in that.   And it seems that other people don't wanna take part now either.   I always used to think I was just a crazy one who made videos just for my own entertainment. Now I'm starting to see that, you know, I've I've looked on, YouTube earlier, and we've kind of jumped about 2,000 followers in 2 weeks.   And and the same on Facebook, and I thought to myself,   That says to me that people I'm not the only person who thinks this.  



[01:10:55] Unknown:

Oh, definitely. I think them waking up by the day waking up by the day.   Excuse me.   Yeah. I think it's really exciting. And you say, like, the money, yeah, that you can worry about that, obviously, when it gets to that point. But if you've already got, like, 2,000 people that have signed up for it, if they agreed to pay a pound a month, there you are. You've got £2,000   already.   And to put into how those little farmers, there's so many things you can do. So many.  

[01:11:20] Unknown:

I mean, that that's the bit what blows my head, really. That's the bit what really, really excites me to be able to say to someone, you know, apply to us, and and we'll try and raise some funding for you.   And and that actually came out of   years ago, there used to be a website. I don't know if it's still going, but there used to be a website called kiva.com,   kiva, I think it was, dot com. And and you could fund   part fund little projects around the world. So someone in Africa who wants to buy 6 chickens, you know, and they they wanna raise the money for it, they're gonna start an egg farm. You know? And   my my my son is now 26 when he was 11. That's what he wanted for Christmas 1 year.  

So we set him up with an account and gave him £50 and, you know, and he used to part fund these projects. Oh, brilliant. And then they would pay they would pay it back with interest. Well, don't we don't want the money back. We just need to be able to pay it. And, you know, so someone will say, like, my cousin, Mike, he's after a polytunnel cover. It's 400, 500 quid to get it to get the polytunnel finished. He can grow more food, produce more food, food sustainably, you know, economically,   you know,   viably for the for the local community. He does he runs veg boxes. You know?  

And that would give him so much longer growing season. It's the people like that where I wanna go,   you want how much? There you go. We've raised you to £500. Because £500   between 1,000, obviously, is you know, it's a the website, I think we're gonna be up about 3,000,   by the end of tonight. You know, well, that's I don't know. What's that?   50 p a piece? Not even that?  

[01:12:49] Unknown:

Yeah. But I don't know. I I am so excited for you because I just see this. I mean, you know, in the UK   being absolutely   massive,   you know, there's just so many parts of it, isn't there? And, I mean, I've I've been on your website, and it's brilliant for, like, you know, all the things. You've even got crafts in there  

[01:13:08] Unknown:

as Yeah. I mean, what we're yeah. What I will say, Shelley, it isn't there yet. And if people go there and think it disappointed, they go, oh, it was not you know, bear in mind, please, we are 4 days in. This isn't like we've been running this for 4 or 5 years. We're 4 days in. You know? That's only about a 100 hours,   into the idea going, you know, live.   And it was only about a week not even a week before that, we came up with the idea and, you know, so we're we're 10 days in effectively. Yeah. Please bear with us, and please get involved. That's what we really need, Shelley. We need the public to get involved. You know? If you, you know, 1, get involved yourself as a consumer, you know, register, find out where your local places are, and stop using supermarkets.   2, if you know, you know, if you know a good butcher, baker, candlestick maker, greengrocer, fishmonger,   farmer's market, a farm shop, whatever it might be, tell them about the website. Tell them to get themselves advertised on there, and they will be getting more business as a result of it. It's free for them to join. You know? We need to get the masses on this. What I also think Shelley will see as a result of this, imagine if we'd got let's say we had 50,000 people on there. The other things we could introduce them to, like, I don't know. Let's say for instance, them lines across the sky. We could do videos and show people about that and, you know, and how that affects grown food.  

You know, things like these vaccines in the in the milk and whatever it might be, we can expose a lot more stuff and but we need  

[01:14:32] Unknown:

to wake the masses, and I think that might be the way to wake the masses. I think it will be. I'll be interested to see where you're at, like, in the next week or so. I should be keeping close tabs because this is so exciting.   And I see as well because you can actually get stickers for foodfindershub.co.uk.   And and if you want, really and, I mean, there's another factor in it. Merchandise. People like a bit of merch.   But I shall be ordering some of those stickers,   and I'll give out a few to friends. But just little ways, isn't it? And when you get flyers or anything, like, that people can print off the website, I'll happily go out. You know, all of those people that give out the light newspaper, they can stick a leaflet in it and think, oh, it's just massive. Massive.  

[01:15:15] Unknown:

Well, those posters are already on there. You just download them. Once you sign up as an ambassador, they're already in the back office for you. Right.   So you can just download them. There's a there's a letter in there, which one of our,   ambassadors wrote,   in Boris Nemmons.   She wrote that to send out to a company and sent it to me saying, is that okay if I'll send this out on your behalf? And I was like, can I steal it for the other ambassadors, please? And at that point, there was there was only 5 ambassadors.   And within, you know, within,   48 hours, it had been downloaded about sort of 500 times, and it was like, oh my god. Brilliant. Brilliant. Well, look. We've got to wrap it up there, Mark, unfortunately,  

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but, yes, do come back again.   You know, you were quite you were big getting this in February this year, and now it's like, woah. But you're doing amazing stuff, and, I thank you. So good listeners. Go to funfindershub.co.uk.   Sign up. Get involved.   Go to the Facebook pages. Follow Mark Byford, the bowler hat farmer.   Thank you so much, Mark. It's been a brilliant night. Thank you for your company listening. Thank you so much for having me back on the show, darling. I love it. We'll speak again soon. Post in how this develops. Make sure you do. Take care, my friend. Bye bye, darling. Bye bye. Bye. Thank you for everybody listening. Bye bye. Yeah. Thank you so much. And I'll be back same time next week.