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The Shelley Tasker Show is a dynamic, thought-provoking program hosted by Shelley Tasker every Wednesday at 7pm uk time. Hour 2 is Co-hosted with the great Mallificus Scott.
The show offers insightful commentary, interviews, and discussions on current events, culture, and social issues. With a focus on honest dialogue and independent perspectives, The show provides an open space for exploring diverse viewpoints and tackling important topics with authenticity and thoughtfulness. Whether you’re looking for fresh takes on trending issues or in-depth conversations,
Part 2 of the show Mr Mallificus Scott joins us as Co-host for quirky conversations about recent and past events.
In this episode of the Shelley Tasker Show, we are joined by the inspiring Debbie Hicks, a well-known activist and freedom fighter. Debbie shares her experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic, discussing her initial scepticism about the virus and the subsequent lockdowns. She recounts her journey from feeling a sense of panic to actively protesting against what she perceived as governmental overreach. Debbie also talks about her arrest and the media's portrayal of her actions, highlighting the challenges and backlash she faced for standing up for her beliefs.
Debbie reflects on her political activism, including her run as an independent candidate in the last election, and the difficulties faced by independent candidates in gaining visibility. She discusses the importance of cash in society and the rapid move towards a cashless system, expressing concerns about digital control and the potential implications for personal freedoms.
The conversation also touches on the role of women in activism, the societal changes post-COVID, and the importance of having a voice and standing up for one's beliefs. Debbie shares her personal journey of taking a break from activism to focus on personal interests like art and dance, while still remaining engaged in important causes.
The episode concludes with a discussion on the challenges of modern life, including the cost of living, housing issues, and the need for community resilience in the face of governmental and societal pressures.
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Unknown:
Go live. Yes. Rumble studio. Go live. Go live. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker Show coming live out of radiosoapbox.com. It's good to have your company. Today's date is Wednesday, February 2025. Happy hump day. I'm also streaming live via rumble on Shelley Tasker. So if you'd like to go to that channel, you can leave any comments, ask any questions. So I'm on seven till nine again this evening, folks. So we've got the wonderful Debbie Hicks as our first guest. Debbie is a well known activist, freedom fighter.
She was very well well known in the whole COVID times, and we're gonna chat to her. And we've got a surprise for you tonight. The surprise is that we are doing video. Good evening, Debbie. Hello.
[00:02:09] Unknown:
How are you? How are you? I'm very well. Thanks. Yeah. We were just talking about, our you know, I like red wine as well. So it's, yeah. I don't know how we
[00:02:20] Unknown:
No. I'm just saying, I'm sneakily got red wine in a mug. I'm so honest, aren't I? I am. Well, I'm anyway, Debbie, it's a real pleasure to have you on, and you've been on a couple of times before. And last time you was on with Martin Castello and that was when you were both heading for independence for the last election. Yeah. So I wanna go into that a little bit later because I haven't really spoke to you about that since. But COVID times. Tell us your story because, you were you were very well known and very involved. Tell us at the start, what sort of things started happening for you?
[00:03:03] Unknown:
But such as it feels like, everyone keeps saying to me write a book. There's just so much, and I I know it sounds funny, but I've kind of forgotten about it. When I say forgotten, it's kind of like it feels a bit cloudy, my my memory. But where did it all start? I mean, I I know we talked because obviously you came on our our show, which was fantastic last week with with Martin Costello on Resurgent Stew, and we talked about when did you realize that this whole, virus thing, and the lockdown thing was a was a scam. And for me, I have to say before they even announced it, when I heard the stuff coming from China, I started to think, this sounds like it's being hyped up, it's being exaggerated.
And I was kind of watching the news thinking, are they gonna go further with this? I was kind of and I wasn't sure at first, because I was thinking back to the sort of the other stuff we'd had before, you know, the swine flu stuff and all the rest of it. And I was sort of wondering if it was just gonna be the hype like that. And then when they said that they were gonna draw up legislation, and they were gonna close parliament down, I thought, I thought, what is this, this Corona Act? And I, I've always been really interested in legislation, what's been really political.
And I've said to you before you teach politics. And so I've I've been involved in that world as well in the past. So my first instinct was to read the coronavirus. So I got it up from the parliament website and I was absolutely shocked at what I was reading. To me, at the time, it felt like the Enabling Act, which is what took, the Germans into Nazi Germany, in terms of the mass, controls that were going to come in, in everything, and the censorship and, oh, everything. I was absolutely shell shocked. And I, I remember at that moment this sense of panic coming over to me because I felt this sort of time was coming for a long time in my life. Politically, on a personal level, I felt that this tyranny, this this time was coming. And I thought, this is it. This is this moment. And I remember messaging lots of people I knew politically at that time, and saying, we've got to get down to London.
My megaphone, you know me and my megaphone, gotta get down to London, and I wanted to go out. Well, I used to live in the shroud in Gloucestershire, And I remember saying to my husband at the time, I've gotta get out. I've got I've I've I've thought we've gotta rally people. We and he's like, no. No. No. No. You can't do that. You you it's just not gonna work. Because everyone at that point, I think, was generally kind of scared, thought this was a real big thing. And, you know, I probably would have been lynched at that point. I mean, this was what, March 2020. But I knew, and I just felt this fire inside of me right from the beginning that this is something huge. This is something awful.
And then, of course, as the the weeks went by, and they announced the lockdown shortly afterwards, didn't they? And so, you know, people were enjoying it. At first, it was sunny. They were on furlough. They were out in the garden. It was beautiful. The weather was beautiful, wasn't it? Do you remember?
[00:05:57] Unknown:
Oh, yes. I
[00:05:59] Unknown:
had this sense of panic, and I had a, I'm not gonna say her name, but a lovely friend in London I'd been in touch with for a long time. And we started busting each other. I'd never met her. And we were just so on the same page. She got everything she thought the same as me at that time. And we were the same. We're like, well, we've gotta do something. And we we ended up meeting in London. I think we were the first twenty people actually that met, with someone called Nacho. I don't know if you know Nacho from stand up ex. He's still doing stuff. He's he's great.
We all met. We didn't know each other apart from me and this this friend. And we met in Parliament Square. And And looking back, it was like something out of a comedy film, actually, but it wasn't the time. We do you remember that thing where you could exercise or something in the park? I don't know. It's an hour a day. The police and this is what April 2020 getting on for May. The police chased us around in Hyde Park, Green Park. Because London was like a ghost town, and we had about a hundred police chasing us, 20 of us. We were doing these exercises trying to get rid of the police. It was actually quite comic, but it was also very dark as well that the fact that the police were chasing us around like this and, that they threatened to caution me. They got hold of me on on a street corner, and then I managed to get away because it was all a bit mad.
And that that was the beginning of it for me. I sort of network with these people and it kind of just rolled from there, really. I think things started to grow in London every week. More and more people started turning up in London because they knew this was a big, scam, if I could say that. They knew it wasn't right. I think as the weeks went on and you said those people kind of worked out, that there was no big deadly virus, and that this was an attack on your rights. And, and that kept going. And then I think, they called another it kind of stopped for a while. They did something just in there, I think, in the summer.
And then there was the other lock, the the new lockdown that was called in November, I think it was. And that's when it started getting more organized. People were organizing rallies. I think things were being organized in London. There were rallies that were quite big. And, I think it was December 2020 with that new lockdown that they used to, bring in these rules about, you know, the the numbers that you had to be with people, you know,
[00:08:23] Unknown:
where you can In your bubbles and things like that. It seems so surreal, doesn't it? Rules about the numbers, wasn't it? And,
[00:08:31] Unknown:
I've got a tier system. Do you remember that? It was like Yeah. Different tiers. I can't remember what tier it was where I lived in Gloucestershire. I think it was one from the the highest tier. I think they put London in the highest tier, which was political. It was that was to do with not wanting people to gather there, obviously. But, in Gloucestershire, I think it was the next one down. And they put out in the local press, it was coming up to Christmas, December twenty twenty. And at this point, I've been out. I've been organizing people where I live locally. I've been doing stuff in Oxford. We go to London. So I was already getting busy and doing stuff because I felt, you know, this was that I'd been waiting for from March. And, what happened is, like, they put out all this stuff in Gloucestershire. The art I say art. I don't live there anymore. The hospitals were overwhelmed with the virus.
Please do not come to the hospitals. That was actually the headline, I think. They are overwhelmed with this. And I just knew. I thought that is lies. Lies. I just knew no snow. Instinctively, I thought I bet it's not like that at all. And then I started to hear from people as well. My husband went in on an outpatients appointment, and apparently, the staff told him in that appointment that they were so bored, it was so quiet, they had nothing to do in Gloucester in Gloucester Hospital. And then I was hearing from other people that have been down there that it's absolutely nothing going on there, it's really really quiet, and I thought right well I was quite bored to be honest, I didn't even think much of it, like it was gonna turn into this big thing, it wasn't like I planned it, like oh this is gonna be a big media thing, I just thought I'd go around with my camera, mobile phone camera. It was really important. Detective mode. Yeah? Yeah. Just walk and talk.
But I'm bored. I I I did feel I mean, if you see the footage, I did feel a little bit nervous as time went on because, I got because I've I was quite aware of the fact that there was there was a few people around, not hardly any. I mean, it was like a ghost, as I said in the the video, like a ghost town with the words. It really was. I've never seen anything like it. I mean, I've been in that hostel, and it was busy. And to walk around, you know, where you can hear your feet walking around like it's it was eerie. I mean, it was like one of those,
[00:10:34] Unknown:
apocalyptic films that you saw. Waiting. You're waiting. Yeah. That's what I felt like when I was working. This is the calm before the storm. Yeah. But the storm just never happened.
[00:10:43] Unknown:
And, I mean, there was obviously and I'll come to that in a moment, the reporting because obviously what happened is I did that video. And, I think when I first put it on social media, it wasn't much of a response, but somehow some of the hospital staff managed to see the video because there were two videos, and this is what I'm gonna come to in a minute because it's all been twisted by the media, obviously. The first video was just me walking around, and then there was another video because I I I went back two days later, and I walked up, the block that supposedly had the COVID ward. It wasn't even a COVID ward. They called them COVID ward. It was ice look, ICU ward, basically, where they were putting COVID so called COVID patients. There wasn't any in there at that time. I looked at the statistics from NHS England. There was nobody in there. But anyway, I walked up through the block and it was exactly the same. I mean, I walked around all different areas of the hospital and what the press at the time at the time said to try and completely smear me and make me look, like a liar and to make me look, non credible was they said that she just walked around an outpatients department, which I didn't. I did walk through the outpatients, but I also walked through the main corridor past A and E outside the, where the ambulances were, and then up the corridor to, in that second video up to the block with all the wards in that was equally as quiet. But But of course, they didn't mention that. They just mentioned that to try and make me look non credible. That was their way of trying to, smear me.
But, I think when the the second video went out, I think these NHS staff really didn't like it because I remember them piling on my page and calling me all these names. And I got so much abuse in my inbox as well. I really got hurt. I got death threats. I got so much abuse. And, that was when can't remember what day she was. Twenty seventh, I think, of December. It was Christmas. I was at home. It was in the evening. I think we discussed this before I was up in in bed. And the the doorbell rang, and I just knew I found it's that isn't it? I thought I just knew. And my husband answered the door. And obviously, the rest is history because that video because I even said to my husband, he's at the bottom of the stairs. I said, quick, get your phone on and film this for god's sake. I need some
[00:13:06] Unknown:
You and your dressing gown at the top of the stand. I was dressing down on and I was so
[00:13:11] Unknown:
angry at this jumped up. I'm sorry that I'm gonna describe it exactly as easy as a jumped up little, you know, he couldn't have been much older than 18, 20 one. You know, young, you know, young enough to be my son speaking to me like a piece of do you know what I mean? I'm so I was so angry that he'd walked into my house, didn't even have the courtesy to say, would you come down to the station and talk to us? Because I would have done that. Of course, I would have done. Or we'll let you get dressed. No. They were just gonna drag me off in my dressing gown. And that that's why I was angry. Quite understandably, who wouldn't be? And I've got a, you know, at that time, he was what? About 13, my son. And he's in the house. And then, you know, to do that when you've got children in the house. Yeah. It it oh, that's why I was so angry. But anyway, the video, I think that's when it went kinda went viral because they'd already people had already seen the footage of the hospital, and there was all that controversy in the press.
And then when I was arrested, of course, the media, they jumped on that as well, and it went viral. And it went, I think it went around the world, actually, about what happened to me. And, it was a bit of a whirlwind. I mean, they put me on Crimewatch, which is Oh, I love it. You haven't even been charged or I haven't even been convicted of anything. And then, you know, to put you on crime watch, I just thought was insane. And, I remember, I think it was the day late or something, waking up and my husband had the radio alarm set so that the radio would come on. And I remember waking up to hearing a conversation about me on the radio. And I'm like, oh my god.
She's like, you're living in some kind of a weird different reality. And, yeah, that was it then. It was kind of like a love hate thing that happened from that time onwards. I got a lot of hate, but also a lot of appreciation for doing it. So,
[00:15:04] Unknown:
yeah. And people needed to see it. And, you know, when I used to work at the hospitals, interestingly enough, they have security put on the door quite soon. So nobody could do what you did, just come in and roam around.
[00:15:16] Unknown:
But no people needed to see it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, good on you. I am. I love it. So I did get a conviction for that, which they you know, when you look at it in hindsight, of course, they had to see it through, make an example out of me, even though I thought it in the high court and I still didn't didn't win, was that they they they had to do that to me because I think what happened is I think immediately afterwards, everyone just started filming their hospital. Everyone was filming their hospital. And I think it just opened up this whole, gap in their lives that the hospital was all and they weren't. And, you know, there's been so much that's come out with evidence about that since. So it's
[00:15:57] Unknown:
yeah. Yeah. Well, good on you, Debbie. I think it's amazing. We we need strong women and, you know, I know you said we were gonna bring up about the whole strong women issue because whole COVID thing as well. It was women, wasn't it? It was women out there organizing protests and rallies. I know men did get involved, but it was mainly powered by women.
[00:16:15] Unknown:
Yeah. It's interesting, isn't it? Because I I I there wasn't obviously a lot of men that were active, but I noticed that women were very much leading. I'm very much kind of being quite forceful with that. I'm very assertive. And it was, I was quite amazed, actually, in every community or every group that I kind of got involved with or work with, it was women that were really pushing. And actually, sometimes the women that were pushing some much more direct action where you it was confrontational with the police.
[00:16:44] Unknown:
You know? They were But it was such tire tyrannical times, weren't they? And, I mean, I think we were all in a state of, like, what is gonna happen next? And I can remember watching, I don't know if you've ever seen it, The Handmaid's Tale. I have. It's a very dark series. And I probably shouldn't have watched it at the same time, but I was engrossed. And it was a bit like, is this what's happening? Because, you know, it does it just seems surreal, doesn't it? Four years ago, that wasn't, you know, that was how it was. Your hour out exercising, being in your bubble of six, keep your mask on unless you stand up, and, oh, it was a crazy crazy. It was it was absolutely crazy.
[00:17:22] Unknown:
And I think it it the fact, as I said to you the other night, when you came on resurgence news, it was the fact that only some of us seem to be questioning how crazy it was. You know, it was it's like people just accepted it, didn't they? That you do these things. You know, you stand on a sticker on the floor or you I don't know. Keep in those pods, wasn't it, in the middle of fields, like, having their lunch or whatever in in the park, like, and they're all standing in the circles.
[00:17:52] Unknown:
I can't stand rules. And, I mean, I I understand they're there for a reason, but I also think some rules are there to be broken. And, I mean, just these, like, 20 mile an hour speed cameras no. It's not a speed camera. It's a sign at the top of my road, but I'm always going too fast, and it always flashes and says slow down. And I always drive by sticking my fingers up at air out of the car. Yeah.
[00:18:15] Unknown:
Yeah. No. I'm I'm the same. I've always been a bit of a rule breaker. And I've always been, what people like to call a difficult woman. I mean, that phrase, isn't it? A difficult woman. In the sense, I'm always the one who will say what other people won't say. Like, if No. Your place. When I was at work, in every workplace I've been at, I'd always be the worm that would say something that no one else is saying that was difficult. And, of course, you you know, if you're like that, you never fit in. You don't fit in anywhere. And for a long I think for a long time, Shelley, I don't know about you. I, when I when I was younger, there was always a sense of feeling a bit lost because of that in in the sense of I never really fitted in in any workplace. I struggled to make proper friendships with people because I'm quite different in that way. And if you think differently, it's quite hard to find people that understand and relate to you.
But now and I think that was that was the the synchronicity of it. It was amazing, which is why I do think there's something spiritual in all this. Was that time when that time came, it was like I was ready for that. I've reached a stage in my life where I didn't care anymore, people think of me. If if you think I'm a mad conspiracy theorist, you think I'm a mad hysterical woman, any of those things. I didn't care anymore. And that's why, you know, that's why I did those things because I just put up with it all with my world that we live in and conforming with it.
[00:19:38] Unknown:
So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with being outspoken. There's too many people around with their heads down, aren't there? And, like, oh, I'll just ignore it. And I've I've never liked that. If you've got something to say, stand up and say it, and don't be a fanny is always one of my to say it. I can't help it. Can't help it. But, no, I think you're right. It brought something out in me as well. I've never been like that. You know, I've been passionate about things on Facebook and debates and stuff, but, you know, that first question I can remember asking, like, does anybody know anybody personally that's died of COVID? Not your auntie a hundred miles away knows somebody, you know, just to get the conversations going. Yeah. And I think now, I I couldn't stand getting into arguments with people, really, but I don't know. I got into the habit of just block, delete, block, delete.
No time for it. But, like you say, there's something it was almost like you're calling. Yeah. And I do I think that it's like, wow. Yeah.
[00:20:34] Unknown:
Open me up to a lot of things. Yeah. No. So yeah. No. Definitely. Yeah. It was a time, you know, we've all had a lot of abuse as well if we've made a stand. I'm sure you've you've had stuff, you know, smacking people. And also, I think it's a process of toughening up, isn't it? You know, it makes you a much stronger person if you have to take all that flack from people. You and, you know, you you learn from it. So it's it's all been a learning curve. I think the last, what, four, five years has been a learning curve, hasn't it, really?
[00:21:05] Unknown:
Oh, definitely. Definitely. It it's all made us stronger and made us find out more about who we are. And like you say, you've got a voice. You've got a very powerful voice, and it's there to be heard. So credit to you, young Debbie Hicks. So moving on then to what happened? Did you get a good result for when you stood for independent?
[00:21:28] Unknown:
How did that all go? No? No. Not at all. No. I mean, there there's two factors, I think, why I I we knew we weren't ever gonna win. It was never about winning. But we we hope to make some kind of an inroad as independence in terms of trying to show people there could be a different political system. And and we were perhaps naively. I think a lot of people felt this way, actually, because there were loads of independence that ran all across the country. Most independence that I spoke to, and I was in contact with different people, felt that perhaps we'd reached a point where people were starting to see through the political system, and that they wanted to try something different, even if it was perhaps a bit unpredictable to elect, independents.
So I think that was the reason Martin and I ran as independents, because we thought maybe this is the time to try and start making inroads. It was never about being elected. I had no thought of that or intention, but I, you know and also, I wanted to use it as a platform to get get information over to people that I couldn't normally get through to. Because the wonderful thing about an election, of course, I had to still pay the pay the money to do it. We did we did crowd from a little bit, but we had to pay the rest of it ourselves. Was that Royal Mail are supposed to that's another story you can come to, is supposed to send out your election leaflet that you have to pay for printing, but they post it out for the for free. It's part of the the funding that comes from government for elections, to all people in your area that you're standing in, every household.
And that to me was like a real opportunity to get a message out. And so that was the biggest thing to me is use it as a platform, try and cut through in some way. And, so on that level, I think it was a success because I I managed to do one hustings. The rest of that, there were no other hustings because I think this election was absolutely awful for hustings. There was no hustings anywhere. And that was a
[00:23:27] Unknown:
deliberate deliberate Can you explain what hustings are to those who might not know? Because I didn't know until this last election.
[00:23:35] Unknown:
Yeah. And I think they call it the same thing in the in The States. Don't know? So it's this idea that you get candidates into a room or a hall or whatever, and you get the electorate there or potential electorate there to question them and scrutinize them. That's that's the idea. And it's I think it very much comes from America, that idea. And we've been we've been doing it here for, what, about ten, fifteen years now? You know, like, on the TV, they have the leaders don't make debates. They had I think they had some of that on the TV. Well, that's very, very controlled. But the idea is that in constituencies, candidates, do that in front of the local people.
And normally I think at the, the previous election before that, before lockdown with Boris Johnson, that one, I think there were lots of hustings around the country, but this time, which is very much a sign of the times and how it controlled everything, there was hardly any hustings. And a lot of that was because most of the people that thought they were gonna win, which was labor this time, didn't want to do the hustings for obvious reasons. They didn't wanna be scrutinized. They didn't wanna be shown up. So or any of them, to be honest. So there was just one hustings, which happened to be my constituency, which had no publicity at all. They really didn't even cover it, because they didn't wanna cover some of the stuff I said as well.
One hustings, poor Martin, who was in the other Swindon constituency. There's two constituencies in Swindon. No hustings at all for Martin. So we we were completely excluded from everything. They had TV, they had debates down at the what's called the, Great Western Railway Museum, which is where the old railway used to be, it's very famous there, and it's like a big I don't know. They've got, like, halls there that people use as designer shops. They did a TV thing down there, and they only invited the, the conservative MPs and the Labour opposition and didn't invite anybody else.
And then they did radio, shows, we were excluded. Martin and I, we were not invited, and we tried to complain and take it back, but we didn't get anywhere. We were told because you're unlikely to win, we're not having you on.
[00:25:43] Unknown:
Oh my gosh. Well, nothing surprises me. And it it was absolutely
[00:25:48] Unknown:
we were just blocked out from everything. So for us to get our message out, apart from that leaflet, it was we were so up against it. But, you know, it it doesn't matter because like I said, you know, I I that leaflet went out. And even though we don't think everybody got it, there's issues there as well because we had reports of people not getting the leaflets. There were rumors. I don't know if they're true that there was weird stuff going on at at the sorting office with the leaflets, the Royal Mail, which wouldn't surprise me, political stuff. Because, obviously, Royal Mail is very unionized.
And, if you've got union officials that are dealing with your post, you know, they're not gonna want independence like me that are kind of climate skeptics and, all the stuff that they don't like. So there there was a that whole layer of stuff going on. We can't prove it, but I'm pretty sure some of that was was going on as well. So we were so up against it,
[00:26:48] Unknown:
Shelley. We really were. But you tried. You tried. Yeah. Yeah. Because I Would you try again?
[00:26:56] Unknown:
Maybe. I don't know. I'm not sure. It's, I mistakenly thought that we might make a bit more of an inroad than that. I thought it would. And I think the other big thing, actually, which I haven't mentioned was because, they decided to, reboot reform exactly before the election with, bringing Nigel Farage into reform. Because I think up until that point, they were just kind of, you know, quite in the, you know, no chance of anything. I think that completely changed the the chance of independence like myself or Martin, who'd already been, you know, which is what I've been campaigning on lots of those issues that they took up. It kind of because they had so much media coverage, which they did, they were really pushed by mainstream media. It kind of put us on a back foot, and I think that was part of it as well. So yeah.
[00:27:49] Unknown:
Bless you. Bless you. But all the knowledge and the things that you've learned. And, you know, prior to that, you were doing a lot of activism in the whole keep it cash going. And you know your stuff. Yeah. I've seen you. How important is it? How how fast do you think things are happening with the whole cash situation?
[00:28:07] Unknown:
They're not happening. I haven't been doing some I haven't been campaigning for a while. But it's, yeah, it's happening very quickly at the moment. I mean, in the last six months, a year, they, the the supermarkets are making moves towards a kind of credit system where foods in some places are getting, CO two ratings on the food in terms of, you know, like, this is how much c o twos on the food. So they're already started to kind of normalize this idea that your food's gonna have a a credit if you like or debit. We're not quite sure how it's gonna work in which way, credit, debit for us. Obviously, we've had this sort of fast development of these, supermarkets that are, like, automated where there's no people in them. And I think they've got them in London, I think. Is it Amazon Amazon Fresh and you've got, I think algae got them as well in in London where you can literally go around the supermarket and, you know, pick up all your it's all done sort of with sensors and things, and then you get to the till and it adds it up, you know, self-service, obviously, and off you go. And there's probably, I don't know, one member of staff maybe just managing the whole shop. I don't know.
[00:29:18] Unknown:
So we've had those. What they tend to do is just keep running up and down, don't they, in Audi? I see them. There's somebody they just have constant problems on those machines.
[00:29:26] Unknown:
Yeah. And they usually have one person manning about seven machines. I think you've gotta be pretty fit to do that job. And they've got a lot more staff, obviously, in the other supermarkets, but these ones are specifically very much kind of AI, artificial intelligence, and all these sensors and technology and cashless. They're cashless. So, so we've got those in, that those have been taken off over the last year or so. Literally, just a few days ago, I think Martin and I talked about this on the show. You've got, I think, Audi announcing that they're gonna ask for deposits in some of their shops before you Okay.
Which is so, so worrying. It's obviously gonna be a cashless payment. They're gonna take digitally on your card or your phone or whatever, before you enter the shop. So that and they they haven't actually said it, but I'm sure they're gonna justify it by saying it's to stop shoplifting, things like that. But that's also another step in this direction of programmable money because it's like you're gonna have to a little bit like when you pay up front at the petrol stations, they do that, don't they? I think they can sort of hold the money until you pay for the rest of it. I think it's £10, something like that. So is this system kicking in a programmable money, taking control of your money and coercing you because that's coercion. It's saying we're gonna take that from you if you wanna come and do your shopping. And that's only gonna get worse. I mean, it will it will be, you know, conditions that come in for what kind of things you buy in the supermarket, what you're allowed to buy as soon as it's linked to additional ID. We'll come onto that in a moment. Cause that's, that's something that's coming very soon. As soon as it's linked to a proper digital profile, when you go around that shops, you'll instantly be barred if you like from buying certain items.
Because if it's all with sensors, which is what they're all starting to bring in, you won't be able to buy that bottle of wine, Shelley. I won't be able to. No. If you I don't eat meat. I'm vegetarian, but I've got nothing against people that do it. I'm not not like that. But if you wanna buy meat or you wanna buy dairy or anything that's got, like, a c o two, which is most things, to be honest. If they're gonna go down that route, they're gonna say it's got a c o two, which is nonsense anyway. But, you know, they can say that about everything because most most food food has come from other countries. So it's it's gonna be, I mean, it's gonna be hell, and, the way they're gonna do it is they're gonna make they're gonna use inflation, in my my opinion, you know, they're gonna inflation is gonna go up and up and up, the the cost of food, which is always going up. It's gone up again recently. I don't know if you noticed.
Always slowly going up more. And obviously we've got the whole egg thing going on with the bird flu. Yes. But they're finding all these ways to make food so, so expensive that for average people, not the the the not the rich, of course, but for average people are gonna struggle to get food. And I think when you get a sort of that kind of chaos on suing and there's other stuff obviously going on politically, that's gonna add to that. There's gonna come a point in my opinion, where they're gonna have to say, okay, we've got a bit of a crisis here where people can't access food. We've got a solution for you.
And we know what that that's what the solution will be. They'll bring that together. Then with all this systems, the supermarkets are bringing in and the digital ID, which is currently going through parliament, everybody, by the way, I mean, it's, you've got the D it's called the data access bill. It's currently in the house of laws. I think it's going to the house of commons soon. It's doing it. They're doing it the other way around. And once that goes through and it will go through, cause they've got the majority to vote for it. That is the blueprint.
It doesn't actually specifically say you have to use digital ID, but it's gonna give all establishments, shops, businesses, public services, everybody, the power to ask people for it if they want to. We don't have to obviously give it, but it's like everything, isn't it? It's like going into Aldi and they're asking for a deposit. Some it's it's gonna come to the point where if everyone starts doing it, these shops, we're not gonna have It's gonna it's gonna have to phase in very gradually, I think, isn't there? Because I think a lot of the elder population,
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they don't have smartphones to do all of this stuff. No. So
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And that's the good thing about it. I mean, I, you know, I completely agree with this whole movement and debate about let's start helping our local farmers go to the farm shops. I agree with all that, of course. But the problem with that, Shelley, as I keep saying to people is, I think we're sometimes forgetting there's a whole population that can't afford to do that because at the moment, and I think this is why that whole local farming economy has to really grow is it's not accessible and affordable enough. I mean, I go when I can, I pick up some milk or some eggs or local cheese or whatever, but it's quite expensive compared to, the supermarket? So you've got a whole population, and that's gonna grow as well. People are gonna get worse off.
They are gonna have to weigh up what they've got their money for, and they're gonna end up down at Aldi's, aren't they? Or, you know,
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and then it's probably gonna push the price up for farm shops and stuff like that.
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Yeah. Yeah. So, I think there's this, you know, how we square that as, you know, as activists, if you like, or people that can see all these things that are happening. How do we square that? How do we because obviously the farmers are struggling to make a living and and as well. So I understand they might need to charge more if they're running a farm shop. But it's, you know, maybe we the cooperatives are a thing that needs to be set up, you know, between people where they they make sure the food is accessible for people at a local level.
But it's, that this is how they're gonna get us. It's the basics. That's how they always control people throughout history is when it comes to food and water, that's how they're gonna do it. It it's easy for us to say, well, I'm not gonna conform with that. But when push comes to shove and you've got to feed your kids Yeah. Yeah. It's not easy, is it? It's not easy. No. Not at all. Not for lots of less fortunate
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people. I am fortunate. You know, we do I buy all my meats from the local butchers. Yeah. I'll go to farm shops and stuff, and our food bill is probably quite high. But then I suppose we don't have other things that other people might have. I I do think there are ways because there will always be people that say, oh, I can't afford this, but then they choose something else. You know? But for those genuinely living on the breadline, they just need like I say, got four kids. I need to feed the kids. And we in in Cornwall, the poverty line is very low down here. Very low.
And it's, it's quite frightening. It must be an awful position to be in, really. Yeah. You know, I mean, my car is I've been told today I've had my car MOT'd and he didn't even MOT it. He said it's a write off. He said it's all rusty underneath. It's gonna cost a couple of grand to get it fixed, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I've come out there and I'm like, oh my God. And I'm like, well, do you know what? I've got my house. I've got this blah, blah, blah. I'll walk and, you know, my son will lend me a card. I'm I'm not too worried, but there's gotta be people out there. And I realized that that small financial thing well, it's not small.
Getting a car can just put them in debts in debt by absolute thousands, but they need it to get to work and stuff like that. They've just got you every way, haven't they? Because you couldn't rely on that, public transport.
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No. No. No. No. It was just I mean, my son, was when he was at college, he's finished college now, he had to get, two buses to go to college. And he was prepared to do it, even though it was like very early in the morning, but the bosses never used to turn up, Shelley. Some days, and he come back home and I'd have to take him to college, you know, if if I was here as well. And it's, so this is the thing, we haven't got proper public services, proper transport, have we, especially in rural areas. I mean, we live in a rural area as well. And I just think, you know, there are people that are prepared to use public transport, but they can't because it doesn't work.
So it's, and I don't see that changing all this nonsense from this Labour government and Labour councils about, you know, getting people to use public transport. It's just it's not gonna happen because they're making cuts, just like last government did and the ones before. They're making huge cuts to public spending. So it's, you know, we're not gonna be able to move it, you know, move away from that. And I'm not buying I'm not when I say this, I'm not buying into this whole, we've got to do something about man made climate change and CO two because I I don't agree with any of that. But equally, I do think that we sometimes do use our cars too much from another perspective. I mean, you know, the roads are I don't know what they're like down where you live, but in So does Pothouse.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, the we we haven't had the white lines painted all the the cat's eyes done for god knows how long around you. It's dreadful. I mean, if you drive at night, you can't see the road anymore. It's really it's really dangerous. But, but, anyway, like I said, I've got nothing against people using public transport. I think it's a good idea to encourage people to do it, but it has to work. And it has to be affordable like it is in other countries. So,
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yeah. Yeah. Well, when my car died here a couple of months ago, I couldn't get to work. And somebody said, well, why didn't you get a taxi? And I was like, I'm not getting a taxi that's a twenty minute drive away. It's like half my day wages gone by time I, like, get one there and back. But if I was to get a bus, I'd have to get a train into Madrid, then walk, like, a mile to the bus stop. It'd take me about three hours. Yeah. Yeah.
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That's it. It's just it's not convenient, is it? It's yeah. It's crazy. But, but I think that's part of the other problem, which I don't, I don't see being addressed either is is is reinventing and investing in rebuilding local economies the way it used to be. You know, the the the world where you could find jobs locally. I mean, it's don't get me wrong. It's always been hard and real areas to find work, but it never used to be the case that people used to have to commute, I don't know, 50, a hundred miles just to go to work, which is what people do now. People commute a long way to go to work every day. And it's, you know, you know, all this, regardless of the climate change thing, I just don't think this is a healthy way for any of us to live, where we're driving all over the place just to earn a living. I mean, we, you know, governments and councils, and and working together with businesses needs to be reinvesting in local economies. So, but they're not,
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but they're not gonna do that. Right. Of course they're not. Of course they're not. But it is, I I've watched behind the scenes a little bit that's what's going on in parliament. And I mean, I don't think I I mean, do you think we're gonna have to wait another, like, three years for a reelection? I mean, people will say in the grapevine that Starmer is leaving and Rachel Reeves, but is that a rumor? They must realize how hated they are.
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I think they'll only get rid of him when the election's a bit closer. This is the way they work politically, isn't it? They think someone's gonna lose them in the election. And there's no way they're gonna allow an election to happen because, obviously, he has to make that decision, doesn't he?
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I I don't know if
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did you follow,
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at the start I don't know if it was sometime in December. There was one of these campaigns, .gov for a poll for a reelection. Did you see that? It went viral. Yeah. The petition. Do you mean the petition? That's it. That's it. Yeah. The petition. And it was supposed to have been discussed in parliament on the January 6, and we've just never heard
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any more about that. Did you know anything that happened? No? I think there was some sort of debate, but I think it was, from what I heard, most of them saying that it's they didn't see it as a democratic thing to do, have an election just based on a petition. But, no, I don't see there being to be honest with you, I mean, on on a whole different level, I don't think there's gonna be another general election. I just got this this feeling politically we're heading to I don't mean to be so negative to people listening. I just think we're heading to the situation in Western countries where I think, so much chaos is gonna develop that they'll say we can't have an elections, which, you know, is deliberate anyway. They don't want more elections because they, you know, if you're gonna have a tyrannical system, you're not gonna give people any, presentation because that's where they're not even real elections anyway, are they? They're very, very corrupt. But you're not even gonna give people that kind of forum. So I, yeah, I have my doubts. We'll have another one. I hope I'm wrong, but,
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yeah. What do you think? Is that you phrase it? I don't know. I just think we we all know so many of us know that there needs to be a whole new system, and we need to come away from that. And I'd like to think, you know, like, my town, we've got our own court, we've got our own school, we've got our own hospital. I would like it to be like that. Yeah. But how would you go about forming this sort of stuff, you know? But there are people out there working on it, doing the work. There's the Cornish, Cornwall Constabulary and stuff, and they believe that if they get enough people on board, we'll be able to have our own court system and things like that.
But, no, it's sad. It's scary because it is just getting worse, and it shouldn't be getting worse. Should it really? I mean, we're now at that point, some people, they're never gonna be able to afford to buy their own house when you know that they could afford that mortgage because their rent is double what a mortgage is. Yeah. And it's just crippling people. It's quite, frightening for the young people, I would suppose, if you're not on that housing ladder.
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Yeah. No. It's, I don't see my son ever being able to buy his own home or rent his own home. In fact, it's probably, you know, which is it's just crazy, isn't it? I mean, I I see myself as probably one of the last generations that had the privilege, or should I say it's a right, but, you know, to, and I we managed to be able to to buy at a time when it was quite easy to get mortgages as well. And things have gone up in value. So luckily, when we sold up, we sold our last house because we made a profit on the sale. We moved into another house and cleared the mortgage. So we've got no mortgage. So we're really, we're really, really lucky. But I appreciate most people are not in that position, and people are paying ridiculous mortgages every month. I don't to be honest, there's another thing no one talks about. How do people do it? I just
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we couldn't work. They no. They just all work, don't they? I mean, my daughter and her partner, they both work full time, and then they still pick up extra hours, like, from local takeaway services for a bit of cash and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's sad because it is you're literally out of that house all day to work to pay for it, and you're never in it. Yeah. Exactly. Just say
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There's no life. No. It's not. No. It is no life. No. No.
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No. I would like to think I could just go somewhere quiet and have a have a small holdings, have my own goat and some chickens and things and,
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yeah. I'd love that as well. But the way they're they're using it, they're trying to stop
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us having chickens and Yeah. The other things to have anything. Yeah. We'll need a license soon to grow some vegetables.
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Yeah. I honestly, I can see that coming. It's gonna be like an an underground that's the thing, though, isn't it? You say that, you know, they're gonna make it which they will because what happens when you you ban things or you bring in too many regulations that stop people doing it? If people do just push it, it just pushes it underground. People will find a way of doing it. And so I and and I and it's that kind of, what's the word? Push and pull effect, doesn't it? As with everything, it's like what happened during lockdown. The The reason there was such a huge response is because there was coercion and we were being forced, so we did the opposite. And I think all these things they're trying to bring in, once they bring in the element of coercion, you're gonna get the opposite effect. So and and look what's happened. I mean, over the last two, three years, cash has gone up in circulation.
People are moving away. There's been a big move, and even the media is reporting a lot of people that don't want to use self-service tools, which is part of the same digital control thing. It's the same thing. So I did there has been a bit of a kickback, I think, because I talk to people when I'm out. I do it all the time, and I always queue up at tools and talk to people. And everyone and I I teach people from all different ages and backgrounds, and they all say the same thing. They want to do this because it's jobs.
It's human contact. They want to they don't wanna do everything digitally. People are not stupid. They they can see what's happening. So, it's I'm not it's not all bad, I think. I think, you know, when we look at the future, I mean, there's a lot of horrible stuff that's coming, but I think sometimes we overestimate these psychopaths. We give them too much credit for being powerful when actually they're just relying on us being scared. That's all they're relying on. That's all they can rely on is fear. When we've got, you know, as we saw during the lockdown, we've got the numbers.
You know, we can we can get the numbers if we come together. So I'm I I think there will be a lot of kickback
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in the coming years. Good. I I would I'm sure I'm sure there will. Yeah. Because at at the end of the day, there's gonna get to that point, isn't there, where people are gonna be like, right. We either eat or we pay our council tax. Which one do we do?
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Yeah. And the people will revolt, and they will get together because they can't do anything else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just Because I don't think we're at that point yet where I don't think we're quite at that point where people will say I'm not gonna pay this bill or that, but I think it's it's getting it's getting there, and it will it will come. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Wonderful. Well, moving on, Debbie. You've taken a year out. Why?
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I took it I took it. Why? I'll be honest with you. There's lots of reasons, actually. I think, I mean, I've been an activist on and off. Most of my adult life, I've been interested in and involved politically. I used to be, which I think I probably told you before, I used to be involved with the Labour Party, and I've moved away from all that. I I don't see myself as, left or right or part, in any way anymore. And I used to do so much for that Labour Party. I worked so hard. I I used to organize so much for them. So I, for years and years, I've done stuff, and then I moved away from that. I did a lot of grassroots stuff on my own. The people I used to work with campaigning for the rights of, of homeless people, street, homeless people as well.
A lot of stuff that people, it's one of those issues most people aren't interested in, not politically, they're not interested in the rights of rough sleep as people on our streets. And I felt really strongly about it, that I could see something was growing. And I did I did a lot on that, and I learned a lot from it, actually, about how shocking the business, because it's a business, like everything, the business of homelessness is. There's such a huge money making global market out of what they do with these people, and so I did I did loads on that, and that was very street based activism, I used to go out all the time doing street stores, petitions, campaigns, stuff like that, Food poverty as well. And then the lockdown came and it was non stop non stop for what, four, about three or four years.
And then it got to got to about a year ago. I'm just gonna be really honest here. I felt like this movement, which was amazing to start with, it was absolutely amazing. The the freedom movement that developed out of lockdown, where everybody came together, regardless of your political background, whatever that that meant anymore, color of your skin, who you were, male, female, none of that mattered. And that's what I really liked about it because I'm I was sick and tired of that kind of world of politics. And it was just about our rights, which to me is the battle at the moment anyway. So this is this amazing movement that was like that. And then, obviously, as we moved away from lockdown and the threat of the the COVID passports, I think that was the big thing. Once we moved away from that, I I feel what's happened is people have become come back to their tribal groupings, if you like, politically as well. Like, you've gone back to this being on the right, but I'm with Ferrag, I'm with Boris, I'm with Starmer, do you know, they've all gone back into those kind of boxes, if you like, which I haven't because I've I've moved away from that part of my life. And I think the problem with that is once people go back to it, they get very tribal and they get very, insular.
And they will hate anybody that doesn't agree with them in that way they see the world. And that's what I think has happened to the freedom movement. It's become very much like that, and it's become very divided by by that old politics, that nonsense. And on top of that, you've got a which is what happens anyway in any movement. You you you get a lot of people being gossiped and, you know, did divisional on a personal level. And that's all come together. And I what I felt was about a year ago, I felt like it was becoming impossible to campaign in a positive way.
I felt like it was too, too much negativity, too much having to battle past all of that when you, you know what I'm like, Shelley, and I think you're the same. I just wanna get out and do these things. I don't want all that. I don't want the ego stuff. I don't want the, well, such and such is doing this, but I don't like him and I don't like her. Yeah. Yeah. Just do what I mean. It was, though, wasn't it? It was it's it was Yeah. Yeah. It was becoming like that. And I thought, I just I just don't need this. I don't want this. And, I just felt like for four years, I'd been out all the time as well. I hadn't seen my husband a great deal.
You know, I hadn't done those kind of things you need to do if you've got a family. And I just thought last year, I just thought I gotta focus a bit more on on that for now. So which is what I have been doing. So so forgive me that I haven't been out there. Yeah. But instead, you've been out having dance lessons and doing artwork and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've been, I I feel like, you know, so especially if you're getting older, I feel like there's things I'd like to do that I've always been interested in. So I've always wanted to do Latin dancing, salsa dancing, and, I was always into art at school, but never took it any further. I love drawing. And, I thought I I just sat there one day, and I thought, oh, I'm gonna do these things.
So it's not even for an education, because I've been through all that, you know. That's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's for fun. Just interest, and, yeah. I'm enjoying it. It's,
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yeah. Good. Good. You've you've gotta have that, haven't you? You've gotta have something for you.
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Yeah. Yeah. You have. And I think the thing is with activism and as don't get me wrong. I've I've I've loved and enjoyed everything I've done, and I don't regret anything I've done either, even politically in the past, which I see differently. I don't regret any of that. It's all been a learning curve and a path that I've been on. And I I I feel it's so important because the way I the way I see activism is I see it as I've, this was a quote that I read rent for being on this planet. I feel like it's the rent that I pay for living in this world is that I just give something back. It just, otherwise I don't, it's hard to describe. I just don't feel right all the time. Like I just feel like life's a bit empty if I'm not doing something about things I believe in.
And, so in a sense, even though I've had a quiet year, there's also that's all that kind of piece of me that's thinking, things things are changing. Well, I'm not doing anything about it. There's it's almost like a sense of guilt, actually.
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Maybe that's just But then you you are still involved, though, aren't you? Like, you've blessed us with your presence, well, you're blessing us with your presence, in Truro for the million women's march a week on Monday. Yes. Yes. And that's yeah. People are like, oh, Debbie Hicks is coming. Yes. Debbie Hicks is coming. You know? So you you're still there. So you're not having a complete break. You know? If you've got a voice, you've gotta use it.
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Well, thank you. And it's not you know? And I hope people will see it that way. It's not me coming in and and and trying to take over on a particular issue because this is not my area,
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and there's probably a lot more people that have a lot more expertise than me on Yeah. But people won't It's not just that they won't. They know their stuff, but they don't feel you know, you just I mean, you say because you were teaching and stuff, it comes very naturally to you. I can tell. But not everybody can get up and do that. And when you do have these events, you do want somebody that's gonna get up and be passionate and be loud and hold an audience, really, don't you? Yeah. Am I am I driving a bit too far? I want the best.
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Yeah. It's you know, I I don't think I probably even realized myself that I was able to do public speaking. It's not something I've ever thought about. It just kind of with lockdown, why I ended up speaking in it, and I ended up speaking more and more, and then people kept asking me to speak. And, as you said, you know, because I was a teacher for a long time, I used to do lectures as well. I used to do some university work for a short while. You just get used to speaking in front of people, and it's, you don't you don't when I first did it, I'm just being honest with you, because it's not it's not necessarily a natural thing, I was really scared when I first did it. When I first stood up in front of a classroom, I remember it very well, I was really nervous.
And then it's like everything, isn't it? It's that you get used to something, and then it was fine after I did it after a while. So that, that's probably why when I stand up and speak publicly, it doesn't really bother me anymore. But, yeah. We should definitely know, aren't we? We've all got our different ways of communicating and
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expressing. And I yeah. I just you know, the anger and the passion comes out, and I, it's really yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's wonderful. It's wonderful. So we've just got a few minutes left, Debbie. Is there anything you'd like to hit on plug before you go? Not really. You've men mentioned, like, resurgence news. Yeah. Do you want to have a listeners a little bit about that?
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Yeah. So, Martin Costello and I, we do and Martin's, has been an activist in Swindon for a long time before the lockdown, and I think he'd he run for UKIP back in 02/2018. So he's he's always been political. He's always had a voice and been very passionate. And, you know, he it's a little bit like me. He's got kind of like a love hate kind of following in Swindon. I think a lot lot of the left don't like Martin. But Martin's you've talked to him as a, he's a lovely, really nice man, lovely man, and very genuine. And then I'm very actually prepared to listen to different viewpoints and consider, you know, look at things differently. And I think that's a real credit to someone when they can be like that. But we do, resurgence news, which we started, oh, October, about October.
And it's just, you know, it's really great. And we've got a huge audience and, lots of people are tuning in and following the channel. Every every Sunday we do, we do a live, we do a show. It's very informal, a bit like what you do, we just talk about what's in the news, what's going on, and then we get lovely guests like yourself coming on and and and giving us a kind of different perspective each week on different issues.
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And Yeah. And it's it's good. It's a it's a brilliant channel, actually, in the Facebook page. It's awesome. Great stuff shared there.
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Yeah. Yeah. I I don't I don't do the post on the channel. I think Martin does that, but I I do the I do the show with him. Yeah. So I'm still doing that. And, you know, of course, you know, I I might become actually fit things again. I'm never gonna say never. I'm I'm I'm not saying that. But at the moment, I just, you know, life has to sometimes take a different direction, doesn't it? So,
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yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming on, Debbie. It's been lovely chatting to you. Thank you. I'm
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really looking forward to you coming to Truro and, giving your speech, and it'll be a good one. Yeah. Yeah. Looking forward to it. I hope lots of people come. If anyone's listening, I hope you come along. I think you said even though that the focus is on women, I think with men also, we're invited to support the fact that yeah.
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So No. I think there'll be a good turnout. Definitely. Yeah. Brilliant. Yeah. No. I really Wonderful.
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So, anyway, I'll let you get on, and I look forward to seeing you next week.
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Yes. You take care, my lovely. Thank you very much. Thank you. I will see you soon. Thank you, Debbie. You're welcome. Bye. Bye bye. Bye. Bye. Right. So we have got a couple of minutes before mister Maleficus Scott joins us. If you were listening live on Rumble, the stream seems to have expired. Oh, god. My days. So I'm gonna quickly set up a new stream, and I will be back in a couple of minutes to mister Maleficus Scott. Right. Let's play a bit of a sad I love this song. I love this song. If it's going to work are you going to work?
Are you going to work?
[00:58:22] Unknown:
Let's see.
[00:58:25] Unknown:
Cool. Right. Let's go back to the beginning. Right. Okay. I'll be back after this song if it's gonna play. Something's going on. Something's oh. I got it. Take three. Take four. Take five. Oh my days. Oh, here we are. Back in a second.
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Hello darkness, my left its scenes while I was leaving. And the vision that was planted in my brain talking without speaking. People hearing without listening. People writing songs.
[01:03:00] Unknown:
What a tune. What a tune. Right. Let's get ahold of mister Scott. Rumble has decided not to work. So it'll have to be a good old fashioned Skype call. Let's phone mister Scott now. It was working earlier. Damn. Technical issues, I tell you. I, I have spent so long trying to sort out audio and to do video, and the stream just dropped. Whatever reason, I don't know. Bear with. Bear with. Mister Scott is unavailable. Mister Scott, pick up the damn call. Pick up the damn call. He's in rumble. Okay. That's interesting, isn't it? Because I've been booted out of it.
Just asking him to send me a link. Oh, dear. Rumble. Rumble. Rumble. So how are you guys going? Have you had an awesome week? Are you, looking forward to spring? I am. My gosh. I am so looking forward. So looking forward to some sunshine. How can he be in rumble and I can't be? Do you know what? I'm gonna copy and paste the link I sent him. Go and make yourself a cup of tea. Go to the loo quickly or something. And I promise we'll be back in a minute. Right. Let me go to that. I don't know if I can enter it because it's my studio. Let's see. 404. This page could not be found. If you're if you're listening, mister Scott, it's not working.
The one you sent me. Yeah. It's not working. Working. It's probably because it's my own stream that I've created. You gotta love a bit of live. A bit of live radio, haven't you? Let me try one last time. Nope. It's not gonna work. Skype, please. That is interesting that he can be there, but I can't be. And I've set the account. Sometimes I do wonder I do wonder what's going on. Right. Ring the group. Mister Scott?
[01:05:32] Unknown:
Hello.
[01:05:34] Unknown:
Howdy. I have here. Hang on a second. You can't you can't hear me, can you?
[01:05:40] Unknown:
Just drop that, And let me just reboot a sec. Okay.
[01:05:44] Unknown:
I'll I'll just do it. Volume, so I'll be back in two sec. He'll be back in two secs. That's alright. I trust him. It's not like he's gonna leave me, like, for twenty minutes like he did the other week because he just conveniently got engrossed in something and left me to garble on for twenty minutes or so. Anyway, yeah, Debbie Hicks, awesome lady, and I am looking forward to the women's march, million women's march happening in Truro next Monday. That's in half term week. We are meeting at outside Truro Cathedral at 11:30, and the march is starting at twelve. And after the march, we've got a few guest speakers lined up. This time last week, I was in a hell of a panic, actually, thinking that I was gonna have to go up and read a load of stuff, and it's not really my thing. You know? You can't know about everything. I would have done it need to be, but God was on my side.
And, yeah, I've been in touch with Debbie for a few things, actually. Mister Scott, are you there? There we go. Is that working? It is. I don't know what happened with Rumble. Hang
[01:06:49] Unknown:
on a second. My apologies. I've got nothing coming out of my headset. So just,
[01:06:55] Unknown:
deal with that a second. Otherwise, I won't be able to respond to anything when I They would do sign language. Once, I did do a show with I can't even remember who it was with. And for about twenty minutes, we managed to do it with them just talking. But, I'll I bought this software last week called Loopback that's supposed to, well, loop everything. And, anyway, it just it's down to rumble tonight. Not anything else I can say. So that is that is annoying because there's no chat now unless I quickly, I say quickly, boot up a rumble stream. I can try again, but it seemed to think that I was still recording. Are you back, mister Scott?
I can see you.
[01:07:42] Unknown:
Hello? Okay. Shelley, can you hear me? I can hear you. I can't hear you. And, unfortunately, it's not my end.
[01:07:50] Unknown:
Oh, dear me. Right. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to shout to Darren. I don't know if you guys can hear us. I'm gonna Darren. I haven't even got my phone here. Right. And I'm not shouting because that's he's upstairs. Right. I'm gonna play that same bloody song again because I'm so unprepared. Actually, I might be able to work it out myself. Loopback, this lovely new software that I can't even find the icon for on my desk. Oh, there it is. Right. I'm playing that again. Skype.
[01:08:43] Unknown:
Because a vision softly creeping left its scenes when I was leaving and the vision
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Can you hear me now?
[01:10:15] Unknown:
I can.
[01:10:16] Unknown:
Right. Thank you, Darren. Okay. I'll take this song to Merweb. Right. The stress is over. Darren seems to think that because I created the stream yesterday, you can't on Rumble something. You gotta have twenty four hours. I probably shouldn't have created it yesterday,
[01:10:44] Unknown:
but that's me trying to be highly organized because I've been so stressed with this. Anyway, yes, we've wasted ten minutes, mister Scott. How are you? Oh, no. That tell you what. Your last guest wasn't a waste of time. I caught most of that show. That was a great show. Yeah. She's so Really, really good. What an inspirational lady. And, you know, from her own demeanor, like, you know, I'm not doing anything special. I'm just doing what everyone should be doing. And, totally, I get it. It's good. Good. And it was really interesting what you were saying about at the beginning of your show, you were I did actually make a little comment in your chat, but I had to go away.
So I don't know whether you responded to it. But, yeah, the fact that a lot of the activists were largely women was, I think partly to do with there's a lot of women in the sort of nurse and care industry that would have seen witnessed all this stuff firsthand. But also, just the fact that, you know, you ain't coming near my kids. And that's the whole maternal instinct, I think, was kicking in, across society at that point. Yeah. I think even men started to have maternal instincts and thinking, you're not coming near my kids. You know? So yeah. Yeah. But what a great what a what a,
[01:11:59] Unknown:
what a great little show that was. Oh, good. Nicely done. I'm glad I enjoyed it. You enjoyed it. Shame about the last five minutes. It just dropped for a rumble the last five minutes. It did my did my end anyway. Oh, technical stuff, mister Scott mister Scott. I know you've been getting all technical, haven't you? You've been indulging in all sorts of software. Yeah. You know, hundred pounds for this software, and it's like, that will solve everything. And It will as long as you know how to use it. I don't know how to use it. I don't get Darren to do all of that. But, no, we will get there.
We need to do a couple of tests live, but, like, not live to the audience and what have you. But I caught up something there with Rumble. Anyway, how has your week been?
[01:12:41] Unknown:
My week has actually been alright. Not too busy. Weather's been mediocre. So, obviously, because I work outside, the weather does I'm not just being British. It does play a big factor in my day to day life. So, yeah, so much so. We've had so much rain recently, actually. I'm just gonna invest in some new boots, Shelley. I'm fed up with having wet feet now. It's coming to it's coming to the end of the wet season and I'm thinking, no. I'm just it's it's just gonna carry on raining like it did last year. So I'm just gonna get some new boots and be done with it. Anyway, apart from that apart from that, my week in all seriousness, my week has has revolved around, oh, just working in one of my favorite gardens, beautiful trees and stuff ever. I had the sad job this week of, putting the plaque above the grave of the resident cat that's just died. The lord of the manor, as we used to call him.
I crikey. He must have been about 17, 16, 17. Very old cat. So, yeah, that's kind of that's fine parts, but that's been the poignant parts of my week. That and, music projects. Other other things going on apart from the music projects you know about, other music projects as well, which I'm having fun with and quite excited about. So, yeah. You're living the dream. I am. As I always say, someone's dream, hope they're enjoying it.
[01:14:13] Unknown:
I've got a a slight echo from you, but, again, that's probably my end with my posh software, but I don't know what to do.
[01:14:20] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Well, I'm literally I'm on a headset, and that's the only Don't you blame me? Output I have. So if I am causing it, it's software from this end, not not, hardware, if you get what I mean. Yeah. That's There's no speakers bouncing back into my mic is what I mean. I'm I'm on headset. So
[01:14:36] Unknown:
Okay. Don't worry. Okay.
[01:14:39] Unknown:
So, anyway, if the echo gets too much, I can always turn down my mic or something. I'll be a little bit further away if that helps.
[01:14:47] Unknown:
Just let me know. Yeah. That's alright. It's not bad, but I can just hear it.
[01:14:52] Unknown:
Okay. Oh, it's gonna do you nothing, isn't it? Anyways, hearing me twice once is bad. So, yeah. Along the lines of, man. Okay. So we got a couple of I I I don't I rarely flick through the tabloids, but there's a couple of things that that piqued my interest earlier today. So they're dragging up a load of stuff about karma sorry, karma. Should be called steer karma, shouldn't he? Because it's gonna come. One day, it'll come. Or in this life or the next, sunshine, it'll come. But Starmer denies breaking COVID rules with voice coach. And it's just like, COVID was a whole lot of bollocks anyway. So what does it matter whether he broke the rules or not? This is all just more smoke and mirrors for public consumption. I hate stuff like that. It really irritates me because you get all these idiot you get all these idiots. They get caught up in the argument. Oh, would you break the rules and power? The rules were bullshit anyway. Do you know what I mean? They were?
So what was this one? The other one. Antidepressants highly effective for treating common problem that's not depression, major study finds. Well, I think you find they're not much good at treating depression either. And not just that, you know, how often are they repurposing drugs all the time? You can take Viagra for this. You can take mushrooms for that. You can, you know, it's they're they're repurposing pharmaceuticals all the time. Just I think because they just have a backlog of them and they just wanna get rid of a loan. Oh, yeah. It'll treat this as well. You know? But the one that really, jumped out at me this week was, right, fourfold rise in young people identifying as gay, lesbian, or bisexual over the last decade? New data shows. What what could have possibly been the big change in the last decade, Shelley? You know?
You know, how is it more people are identifying in that manner? Is it because it's just become wholly more acceptable now? Is it because it's an an agenda driven thing? I don't know. I just for me, that stuck out as a as a I don't think that was a headline. That was a brag
[01:17:11] Unknown:
on their behalf, in my opinion. Sorry. But it is sorry to any gay or lesbian people out there. But yeah. No. I think you're right. I was having this conversation with somebody today at the top of the group, and we were saying about all the confusion with people and their identity. Well, perhaps they wouldn't have all this confusion if they wasn't having it rammed down their throats at school.
[01:17:33] Unknown:
Absolutely. What could possibly be the change in the last decade, Shelley? What could possibly be the change? Why is it we've got a fourfold rise in young people identifying as, you know, having difficult times ahead? Whatever. But yeah. So tabloid wise, honestly, I just yeah. Just been really I I know why I don't look at them. You know what I mean? And every so often, something will leap out you and think, oh, that's shit. And then you bite the hook, don't you? But that one really got me going this week. You know, it's because you're educating people in that manner. Of course. You know?
[01:18:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. No. It's shocking. It's shocking. So many people confused, and I don't know. I take the Are they a man? Are they a woman? Are they a cat? Are they a are they a dog?
[01:18:22] Unknown:
There is someone in one of the local schools identifying as a cat, isn't there? Or one of the local colleges, one of the lecturers. Yeah.
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A furry.
[01:18:30] Unknown:
Yeah. I'd I'm not sure what's going on. I mean, how do they provide for that? Do they put out litter trays and stuff or what? I don't know. Well, what I mean, are they allowed to lick their genitals in public? I mean, what what's going on?
[01:18:42] Unknown:
Well, this this lady I was chatting to earlier, they what did they she said that at Camborne School now, that they've totally got away with male and female toilets. They're all unisex,
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and she's horrified. Done away with that. And that's that's a nice safe environment. I mean, boys get beaten up in boys' toilets, let alone you know? I mean, that's why they you you have all this nonsense. I'm still aware even though my kids haven't been to, you know, they're homeschooled, whatever. But I'm still aware of some of the ridiculous rules that you have in schools nowadays, like, you can't leave to go to the toilet in the middle of the lesson unless you have a medical pass and all this kind of thing. It's been done. A, because people were using it to skip lessons, and b, because they're all in the toilets vaping and and beating up all the little kids that come in for genuinely wanting a wee. So it doesn't make it safer for anyone to, do away with, sex toilets. They're there for a reason. Wouldn't you wouldn't you agree? I mean, I just I I would agree.
[01:19:53] Unknown:
Yeah. But that's me. I don't I don't like it. I don't like it. When I went to the hall for Cornwall last week, I was like, why are there men queuing in the ladies' toilets? And then I realized that it was a unisex toilet. But, yeah. Odd. Odd.
[01:20:08] Unknown:
And also today, we've been doing And you don't women don't want to be going into a toilet where men have been peeing on the seat and stuff. You know? You've said it. It's just like that's that's, you know, that's one of the things, isn't it? That's why if you go into a men's toilet, they don't tend to have toilet seats in all the nightclubs and stuff in UK when I was growing up. There wasn't toilet seat on any
[01:20:33] Unknown:
No. It's crazy. Men you men are, messy. I hate to say it. You know? I live in a house of boys. But hey ho. Sorry. But, yeah. So it's alright. I'm just messing around with this to see if it will go live on on Rumble again because I just think I've realized I've done. Stream ready. Okay. Let's view the live stream. Oh, it's waiting. Yeah. Don't even worry about it.
[01:21:07] Unknown:
Don't even worry about it. So Never mind. Never mind. I'm not gonna get stressed because lovely young lady that you had on your show beforehand, she also ran as local councilor. Yes. Didn't she? Yeah. Well, I mean, I wish we had a local councilor around here like that. I mean, I'm not being funny. Our local council is called Dick Cole. And I'm not joking either. It's not spelled the way the listeners might be thinking. It's d I c k c o l e. But it may as well be spelled the other way.
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Way. Oh, I just see I think god. I'm glad I'm not a counselor, really. I see lots of abuse that they get online and people tagging them on Facebook and things like that.
[01:21:50] Unknown:
Most of the locals around here hate our hate our local counselor because, you know, he he okays all the wrong things. You know? I think it was him with heavy heart said that they had to sign some document allowing loads more housing to go up in various areas, and it was all like local councilors getting together. And, you know, these these councilors were given, like, forty minutes to read, like, three days, four days worth of documents. You know? Reading time, I'm talking. You know? I think it was him that shared a meeting saying, oh, I think it's with heavy heart we're gonna have to just accept this. You know? It's just like, yeah. You knew that was coming. Yeah. I think it was. Yeah. I I yeah.
Allegedly.
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It's messed up. It's messed up. Anyway, onwards, mister Scott. So I'm, like, now further into Hellstorm.
[01:22:43] Unknown:
Oh, how are you getting on? Well, so before you, go ask me anything Yeah. Just what's your general feeling of of reading the book so far? What's if you could sum it up into a a paragraph, I you know?
[01:22:56] Unknown:
Well, from why gather so far? I mean, the war, we've I've never heard firsthand accounts, and we talked about it last week about the fires, the prosperous is it phosphorus? Phosphorus bonds. Yeah. Phosphorus bonds, things like that. And it was a real eye opener, but now I've got to the point where, the Russians are making their way through Germany and the Mongolians, and they are just evil.
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Evil. Yeah. Absolutely.
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How do these men all I can think of is, did these men not have mothers, not have sisters? The amount of rapes that went on I know. I know. I just like 100,000
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recorded in Berlin alone.
[01:23:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I don't I just don't get it. They're just animals.
[01:23:54] Unknown:
Because partly because they, they were all fed on both sides. If you look into the Morgantown plan on the on the American side, and if you look at what the, the commissals and everything were were handing out the the leaflets and stuff to their, and in their in their papers and stuff. All these things like Stalin as far as Stalin was concerned, at the end of the war, when they'd captured the Reichstag and they'd conquered Berlin, what were they going to do to install law and order? Stalin's words were let the men have their fun. Fun? They don't care.
They don't care. And another thing is when you look at the, you know, particularly the the Mongolian tribes and stuff that came down that were, put into the Russian army, they have a far lower value on life than you or I do. And if you extrapolate upon that, they're gonna have a far lower value on your life than they would have on any of their own. It really to to these people it doesn't matter. And if you if you ever get through the, the video of Europa Last Battle, you'll hear interviews with Russians talking about what men they were for doing things like that. It's very, very sad.
[01:25:22] Unknown:
As in what? They were proud of what they did?
[01:25:25] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. God. Yeah. Because don't forget, with the Morgantau plan, what they wanted to do was annihilate the German race. The Morgantau plan talked about sterilizing all German males. So, I have a friend from Germany, and one of his best mates, her grandmother was raped by a Russian and and she's a descendant part German, part Russian. Yeah. You know, and that's very commonplace. Very commonplace in Germany, as you can imagine, for obvious reasons. It's a way of it's another it's another attack on race, culture, and heritage.
[01:26:06] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, his writing and I know there are, like, a lot of it are segments that people it's their own words and stuff like that. But this last chapter, the last 30 odd pages have all basically just been about women, grandmothers, children being raped. Yeah. And I mean telephone receivers
[01:26:27] Unknown:
and knives and all sorts of dreadful things. Yeah. I know. Yeah. So Nobody this is a part of history that nobody ever ever reads about. I've actually uploaded a clip to Skype that I'd love you to play if you can. And this is talking about Dresden from our side of the world. We touched on Dresden last time. Mhmm. And you were asking me, I I told you about a testimony of of a guy who was a British prisoner of war in Germany in Dresden when the raid took place. Well, I found the interview, and I've uploaded it to Skype. And it's it's about eight minute eight and a half minutes, but it really is worth a listen. I think it's it's worth a listen for the for the listeners to hear as well because it shows you how that's just the Russians advancing. It shows you how barbaric our our bombing campaign was. We it had nothing to do with hitting, you know, infrastructure at all. As I touched on last last week, we quickly discovered after Coventry that the biggest, the hardest thing for the government to deal with was the was the displacement of people, not the services that could easily be reinstalled and and and reinstated within a week.
It was the displacement of people. Hence, we switched our bombing campaign from bombing industrial complexes to bombing the housing areas that worked those industrial complexes.
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That's how we did it. Well, do you wanna play do you want to play it, Maleficus?
[01:27:59] Unknown:
Yeah. By all means, play it. As I say, it's about eight minutes long. So we we won't do a bottom of the hour song or anything like that because And if you like, you know, if you wanna touch more on this after the clip, we can I've got, you know, I've got another Kurdish ghost story for you, but it can wait till next week. We were a bit, late on starting anyway. So I think this is kinda more important in in a lot of ways. Well, just as important. Folklore, upholding folklore, and all that kind of thing. I I love all that. But, yeah, if you've got it, by all means, play it. This is a guy called, I believe his name is Victor.
The clip is entitled BBC Breakfast, The Horror of Dresden. If anyone wants to go look it up on YouTube. His his name is Victor somebody. I can't remember his second name now, but this is the chap anyway. And when when the interview starts, he's talking from the perspective that he was already in prison, in a prison cell in in Dresden.
[01:28:56] Unknown:
Okay. Are you playing it, or do you want me to play it? No. I'll have to get you to play it. Otherwise, it won't go anywhere. Oh, okay. You won't go anywhere. Oh, what? All this loot back system. Right. Here we go.
[01:29:09] Unknown:
Seventy years ago today, allied forces dropped thousands of bombs on the historic German city of Dresden. Historians consider it one of the most controversial campaigns of the second World War because civilians seem to have been targeted deliberately
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by British and American planes. The attack lasted for three days and killed around 25,000 people. Commemorations will take place in the city today. Among those taking part are two survivors who shared their experiences with us.
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My parents suffocated in the cellar, and out of the 14 people there, I was the only survivor.
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It was terrifying. At first, I thought it was the end of the war. But when it didn't stop, I believed it was the end of the world.
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On our streets, all I saw was rubble, rubble, rubble, burned houses, and people searching for loved ones. They had no belongings anymore, and the dead were everywhere.
[01:30:14] Unknown:
Well, another survivor of the attacks in Dresden is Victor Greig, who was a prisoner of war when the bombings began, and we're very pleased that Victor is with us now. Very good morning to you, Victor. We were just hearing then some of the first hand eyewitness accounts from those Germans who survived. Tell us how it was that you were in Dresden at that time.
[01:30:39] Unknown:
Well, I would presume. They've already told you. But, how was it? It was evil. I don't really know what you expect me to say when you say how was it. Thousands of firebombs dropping all over the place, explosions, heat, fire, people screaming, people burning, people alike, well it wasn't, after about half an hour it started developing into something which was really bad. It started off, it started off rather tame actually, the first five or ten minutes, The very first wave, as far as I can remember, the mosquitoes dropped the, the lights, the fairy lights, and then the first crane, lock came over and dropped all these incendiaries.
And then, of course, as wave after wave came over, so, the impact got heavier. It, it is about thirty five minutes, forty minutes after the first bombs had dropped that the bomb dropped outside the building that we was in and, killed killed my mate, Harry. And, and about three quarters of the people in there were called. And so you go out and, you come out there and the whole place is a furnace. It's a furnace. Because we were in the center of Dresden. And the wind hadn't grown up by that. The fire really, it happens, although it was, you know, bad, naughty, horrible, it was the, it was the second wave which really brought the tornado into being.
Because then they started dropping the 4,000 pound, you know, blockbusters and 4,000 pounds of net arm, which if it dropped anything within about 300 yards, it was immediately incinerated. So, and then to feed the fire, so you get the wind coming in. And that's really tornado force, and you just can't it's it dehumanizes everything, anything that you've experienced before. I've been through six years of war. I've lost all but three of the 28 blokes I joined up with in 1937. I'd been in every battle in The Middle East. I'd been in Italy. I'd come home. I'd been captured at Arnhem, but nothing prepared me for seeing women and children alight flying through the air.
Nothing prepared me for that. Before Dresden, I was, just an ordinary I could look at people get killed, also dead dead. But, after Dresden I was a a nutcase. I was, it just sent me it took me, it took me forty years to get over it. And I I don't I I don't think I even laughed for forty years. I couldn't he couldn't even laugh at anything. But Dresden itself yeah. You see people stuck in they try across with they try across over to us, a group of them, because
[01:34:33] Unknown:
Oh, fucker bollocks. What happened? I don't know. I touched something. I didn't turn it off there. Hang on. Seventy years ago Oh my god. It's gonna go back to the beginning unless it's aware Day today, allied forces dropped thousands of
[01:34:52] Unknown:
That's the beginning, isn't it? Don't worry about it. Sorry about this. Look. That's fine. It's fine. Well, you get the idea. He was just about to tell you how he watched a group of people try and cross the road, and they got stuck in the tarmac halfway across and just exploded. You can tell. You know, and that's that's from our that's a story from our own side. And I wanna, make an amendment to what the BBC guy said at the beginning of the show when or the beginning of the clip when he said that 25,000 people died. That's utter nonsense. That's utter propaganda.
At least a hundred thousand people died. At least. And at one point, they stopped counting because all there was was piles of ash.
[01:35:35] Unknown:
Oh. So It's just heartbreaking.
[01:35:37] Unknown:
And that the thing is as well, it was a tried and tested method by then. We'd already bombed every we bombed every city, Every major city, we've done exactly the same to. Cologne, Hamburg, all these places, we'd we'd done that to. I remember hearing a testimony of a pilot taking off and the navigator well, after he'd taken off, the navigator said, well, you don't need me to do anything. Just head for the glow on the horizon. And that was that was while they were still, like, over the British Channel. You know?
So it was a tried and tested method by then. But the fact that it was the February 14, so it's kind of poignant that we're bringing it up because it's coming close to Valentine's Day. It was the February 14. That's their Mardi Gras in in, you know, all I can do, really, one of the best things I can do. That guy actually wrote a book. You can read about his he wrote a couple of books actually, before he died, about his military service, and he touches on Dresden in one of the books. But one of the best books you can read is Apocalypse 1945 by David Irving.
Probably one of the best books written on it purely because it's done in a very, very clinical manner, and he interviewed people from both sides. You know, really, in actual fact, just looks at the executive decisions that were taking place during that time. As I say, it was a more efficient policy to bomb the populace than it was the industrial centers. And don't get me wrong, the industrial centers, we bombed the hell out of them as well. But we also bombed concentration camps because they were, you know, we're going on about how bad the concentration camps were in Germany, these forced labor camps. But because they were industrial complexes, we bombed them. And then we set the Nazis up as the people responsible for the deaths of all these corpses when the British troops moved in. You know? So, like I say, wars atrocities happen throughout wars, but, you know, if you're really honest about it, if you're really honest about it, Europe was absolutely raped at that point. And I don't, I don't, obviously, don't just mean metaphorically.
And what for? What for? To stop what? Hitler was fighting a war to stop communism taking over Europe. That in his own words, that's what really he was he wanted living space for the Germans and to stop the spread of communism across Europe. And a lot of historians would agree with that sentiment, you know, if if Hitler was pretty much the only thing in the way of the communist spreading across Europe. And then what happened? You know?
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So much. Yeah. There's just so much to learn, isn't there? And, you know, as as horrid as it is, I'm glad I'm learning about it to have that understanding about what really happened because we don't you know, it doesn't matter how many old war films you can watch and war documentaries. You don't get many it's like people's testimonials like to that book.
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This is this is this is what this is my biggest thing at the moment. I've done my studies on the political side and the the sort of, if you like the military sort of movement sides of things, at least I've I couldn't tell you exactly how the war progressed in in its various stages, but I've certainly read about an awful lot of battles. And and and really the politics behind it all was my big thing because of granddad's book. But my thing now is reading personal testimony. That's that's the biggest insight you can really get into a lot of this stuff, and that's what's so good about the Hellstorm book is that it is full of personal testimony.
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Well, I've just got to the bit where Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin
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have met met up. That's just The Yalta agreement. Yeah. How we're going to divide Germany up after the war.
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Oh, okay.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crikey. Crikey. Yeah. Roosevelt was a very, very ill man by that time. He he was, I think, stomach cancer or something he had. He was not a well man at all. But, you know, he oversaw basically, he oversaw the destruction of the British Empire, and that was his intention. Not that it was ever not that it ever belonged to us Britons. We lived in an empire that the sun never set on, but it didn't really belong to any of us, did it? So
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Well, there you are. Yeah. Yeah. So next week, we can delve a bit further up where I'm at then. But, no, it's fascinating. It's fascinating. Yeah. I know a lot of people, like, reading history books like this. And, yesterday, Kevin, and all of these interruptions, I was like, oh, by crying out loud, I'm just trying to read this book.
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But, no. I'm enjoying it even though it's like It's it's gripping when Yeah. It's gripping because you suddenly realize everything you've watched on TV, all those movies and all that you know, even the great movies. You know, I mean, I love Inglourious Basterds. I think that's a brilliant movie.
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Have you seen that one? Yes. Years ago. I'm gonna have to watch it. Yeah. And
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Oh. I love that film, but it's totally just ridiculous propaganda. The whole thing is just there's so much in there that's just, like, perpetuating all the lies and everything we told back in the nineteen forties. It's just and not even that. Not only is it perpetuating it, it embellishes upon it and makes it into this glorious, like, crusade. And it wasn't at all. Look at the death and destruction we caused. It's dreadful. Absolutely. And I say we, not in our name. But, you know, it's absolutely dreadful. You know, I've got a lovely quote for you actually, Hans. So I'm darting away for I don't even know if we're going out on camera. Probably not. No. We're not. Don't worry.
But I've got a lovely quote for you here. I was 18 when I was sent into battle at Fromelles. So this is talking about World War one. The hard thing was to see so many mates drop beside you and control yourself and face up to the things that were happening that that you couldn't really believe. War is both the silliest and cruelest activity that a man can get mixed up in. And it breaks my heart even now to think of it. Walter Herbert or Bert Bishop, ex fifty fifth Italian, speaking nearly seven decades after the end of World War one.
You know? And when you think about what these poor guys, if you one of my favorite David Irving quotes when he was in his his, his libel battle in The UK here with Deborah Lipstadt. When he was in the libel battle, he said one of his quotes were and it was picked up by the newspapers as well. And he said, do you think he said, I'd like to get in an airplane and land in a in a in a Britain that was, you know, forty or fifty years ago. And the guy said the the the guy questioned him, said, what do you mean? And he said, well, do you think that anyone fighting on those beaches, anyone, do you think any of those men on the D Day beaches would have gone 20 paces up the beach if if they'd have realized what their country looked like today?
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Yep.
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Sums it up. No. No. They wouldn't. They wouldn't. So it shows you that's not what they would go. They that's what they, you know, that's what they believed they were going there for. We've been sold out. Absolutely sold out. At the cost of what? Thousands and thousands of our own people. Yeah. I think there's a I played a tune on the show last year and it was a cover of an Iron Maiden tune, called, Have You See Writing on the Wall, it's called. Brilliant lyrics in the tune. And one of the one of the lines is, once our empire was glorious, now tear the empire down. The dead gave us the time to live, and now our time is done.
I don't believe that's necessarily the case. I think it's it's stories and and ideals like this that really should spur people on to, like your last guest you had on, you know, take the bull by the horns and actually just go and do something. You know, her little comment at the end of the show about, the rent I pay to to stay on the planet. You know, we're the only idiots that pay to live on the planet anyway. And who are we paying? Some bunch of fat cats right at the top of the food chain. But if I'm gonna pay any rent to be on the planet, yeah, it's just gonna be speaking my mind and and standing up for what I believe is true. And and, you know, I believe, you know, I believe wholeheartedly. I couldn't care if anyone is offended by it, but I believe wholeheartedly in everything my granddad put in his book.
You know?
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Tell the listeners, just in case they don't know, the name of your dad your granddad's book. Granddad's book was Hidden Government.
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Lieutenant Colonel J. Cray Scott. If anyone wants to look it up, you can get it on Amazon, or you can get it on, from candor, c a n d o u r, dot co dot .org.uk. So candour, c a n d o u r, dot org dot u k. I don't make any royalties out of promoting the book. Just the tip of the hat to my granddad. And the fact that I just believe that knowledge should be out there. And the fact that people were writing about it so long ago. Yeah. You know, granddad published that book in 1954. And he wasn't the first. There were loads of people before him. And there's been loads of people after him. But because everyone sits there and looks at their bloody mobile phone or watches BBC and can't be asked to get off their fat thumbs to go and do anything, we're stuck in the mess we are.
Was that your little rant this week, Maleficus? Well, I've had two this week. I quite like it, haven't I?
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No. Very true. Very true. And, you know, you've gotta keep these books in circulation as well.
[01:46:04] Unknown:
You know? You have. There's actually you know, there's a whole lot of books out there. I mean, that that Gunner on the Somme book that I told you about, a a few weeks back, or a week or two ago, you know, that was he he wrote that, and it was lodged. He gave it to the Imperial War Museum. And what did they do with it? They sat on it. They sat on it for, like, thirty five years until his granddad grandson realized that he'd written it and tracked it down and asked for it, and then published it. But it's an invaluable account. Yeah. Yeah. So how many other accounts are there like that lodged in in the in the Imperial War Museum? You know?
Yeah. Probably thousands. Because, you know, probably a lot of people did wanna write about it, but they didn't wanna tell their loved ones about what they saw.
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You know? Patrick's just made a comment. He just said, Maleficast, you should read and do an audiobook of your granddad's book.
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I did actually start. I did actually start.
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Maybe I will. Maybe I'll finish it. Squeeze it in somewhere. Yeah. No. It would be good because there's lots of people that don't read, isn't there?
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Yeah. I must admit audiobooks are invaluable in the workplace. They really are particularly if you do a job that doesn't you know, like my job gardening, weeding a flower bed. What better than to listen to an audio book or or a broadcast podcast like your own or like the good Paul English's? You know, it's, yeah. It it it I I can't tell you how much I value having audio at work
[01:47:40] Unknown:
because it's such a mundane job. Yeah. You know? Well, I like company going around during during the day. You know? I tend to flick from room to room, and I use a lot I listen to a lot radio on my phone. I listen to Geoff Rentz a lot lately.
[01:47:53] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I I I think me and Andy were on Jeff Rentz's network for I was on with Andy. I think Andy is still on Jeff Rentz's network. Oh, yeah. Okay.
[01:48:04] Unknown:
Yeah. It's not it's nice getting excuse me. Well, just getting their perspective on stuff, isn't it? And of course, he's American as well. It's nice getting the other side. Yeah. Interesting. I'd like to have a coffee with him. Yeah. I just feel like I know him, everybody. And hello there.
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Yeah. He's he's got a very gentle voice, isn't he? Yeah. Yeah. So He's got a good voice for radio. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. No. I I that being said, I do spend a lot of time nowadays working with someone. So I'm, you know, don't get to listen to as much as I used to. But it's probably a good thing. As I said before, I've I've had a really nice break from all these subjects, and it's, to the point where I feel like I can get my I can take ownership of them and getting and get my teeth back into them. Do you know what I mean? Whereas, you know, sometimes a lot of this information, even for even for a hardened veteran like me. I I'm not really. I've only been into it really for about ten, fifteen years, but, you do need a break from it sometimes. So you're you're embarking on a very noble journey, Shelley. You really are. Just just by picking up that book and and reading the next page.
Because it perpetuates that information for everyone else. And it gives you a a a broader understanding of all the bullshit that you've been fed over for years by Hollywood and, you know. Yes. I've seen one pro German movie from Hollywood, have you? No. No.
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Oh, dear. But, you know, it's nice actually because I will bring these things up now about people I'm talking to. And it's like, cool. I could be a historian, Maleficus.
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No. Not that Well, you already are by definition. The fact that you're delving into it. You already are by definition. We'll put that on my CV then.
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You should. I will. I will. But, no. News news run because one thing that I will be checking out later on after the show is Richard Vobes today because our lady that's organizing the Million Women's March in Cornwall, she was on within, Richard Vobes today to Oh, wow. I do like Richard. Yeah. I do. And I'm in this group chat with these girls and well, women, and they post stuff every day. And I don't really watch a lot of it because it's too upsetting. You know? You know it goes on. And a couple of them are about to be like, I need a couple of days break because this is, you know So I I almost feel like I've been put into this and it's not I don't know enough about it. You know? So, anyway, I'm learning, but it's it seems to be absolutely rife, and it's one of those things that people aren't looking into.
Well, they're not not looking into, but they don't realize what's going on, you know, with abuse and rape and things like that.
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It's it's harrowing, really. And and who's turning a blind eye to it all? Oh, star, man. And, yeah, but who's turning a blind and and who one who's was it one of his MPs got collared for trying to solicit a 15 year old boy a few weeks back, and the BBC didn't touch it?
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Yeah. Is that right? I think so. Yeah.
[01:51:20] Unknown:
So yeah. Is is that on news, BBC? Of course, it's not. It doesn't doesn't cover their bullshit agenda. You know? So it's it's such a shame that so many people every day go home and they're just sucked into it because they just wanna relax. And they will go, oh, look at the state of the world. I'm gonna have an opinion on that. Yeah. Yeah. And the guy that comes to work with me, he's probably gonna have a different opinion. So we can argue about it all day and get nowhere. Nowhere. You know? As soon as you start engaging in that system, as soon as you start engaging in that system of train of thought, Like I said earlier, with the, did Starmer break the lockdown rules? Well, they were bullshit anyway. Who gives a toss if he broke them?
You know? He was only doing what everyone else was doing, but, you know, he was supposed to be above it all. Weren't we all? Weren't we all supposed to be noble citizens and above it all? Well, some of them sadly were. And they were the ones that would happily phone up local constabulary to say, so and so is breaking lockdown rules. You know? But that's all part of the protocols. When you look through the protocols of the elders of Zion, I I should be able to pull it down, but I can pretty much repeat it verbatim. And that is, under our system, one third will keep an eye on the other two thirds of the populace out of a sense of duty to the state.
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We'll all be spies.
[01:52:51] Unknown:
We'll all be spies. Of duty to the state, though. And and that's all those poor people that get sucked into elections and think, well, I'm gonna vote really hard this year and and try and get, you know, conservative back in or UKIP or whoever it may be. Reform. Oh, yeah. Let's go reform. Another lot of nonsense. Don't get me. So, well, I'll have a roundabout reform next week, I reckon. Yeah. I'm sorry to any reformers out there. It's it's not about reform. It's about inform. Yeah? Did you That's that's that's my that's gonna be the title of the rant next week. Okay? It's not about reform. It's about inform. Okay. You know, until until these people are telling you what the actual problem is, they're part of the problem.
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Okay. Well, I look forward to it, Maleficus. Yes. I will. I'll have my xylophone out at the ready.
[01:53:47] Unknown:
Oh, good. I've got a good ghost story for you next week as well. Good. Good. I have. Good. Good. So have have you got anyone lined up for next week's show? It's another surprise. It is a surprise? Oh, I'm I I like this surprise. Well, this week's surprise was excellent. Thank you. I have to say. So that was that was really good. Yeah. I like I said, I tuned into most of that. So Yeah. She's a wonderful woman.
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So Yeah. No. I'm just, plodding on. We've got this March going on, and I'm organizing speakers, and there's gonna be a big, big farmer rally on Monday. I've declined. I'm like, no. I can't cope with it. I can't cope leaving at 03:00 in the early hours of Sunday morning, getting back at Tuesday night. No. I said, no, Jo. I'm not doing it. But they reckon there's gonna be a thousand devoted that lady. She is very devoted.
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She's devoted, that lady. I do admire her her pluck.
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So that's something that people probably won't see much of on the news because, interestingly, last weekend, last Saturday, there was, did you hear about the big, riot in London? Well, not a riot. Big rally for pro Tommy Robinson? No. I didn't. Oh, there's, like, six 60,000 no. Sick well, you didn't wouldn't have seen it on the TV neither. I've just seen it flash up on Facebook and Twitter. Oh, sorry. X. But, yeah, there was some 60,000 people there to, like, free Tommy Robinson and stuff like that. But, interestingly, David Curtin did, like, a little real on why he's glad he didn't go because he said at the start of the march, you've got the English flag, and then you've got the Palestinian flag.
What's this all about at the front of a march?
[01:55:32] Unknown:
As as your as your other friend, who who used to come on the show every so often, would say, what is another flag doing in our country? Yes. Yes. What is another flag doing in our country? What the what the what the flipping hell do flags mean if they don't stay in their own country?
[01:55:52] Unknown:
Yep. What do they mean? What's it doing here? It shouldn't be fine here. Exactly. And people get straight away that go to that march to think I'm here to support Tommy Robinson, and they can see the Palestinian flag and stuff like that. And then they make everybody look like it's all about
[01:56:06] Unknown:
a racist And then and then and then Tommy Robinson, all pro Palestinian, and then tells you he's a Zionist. So what gives? All these these all these people that turn up at these rallies are so flipping confused. It's ridiculous. Oh my god. Really? Look, Shelley, I I sent you a a tune titled Charlie and his Orchestra. Can you play us out with that one? That would be really good. Because I think it would be very pertinent with the sub most of the subject matter this evening. I should be able to do that Maleficus. That's Should.
Let me It's above the other chat. Yeah. I know where you've
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put it. Maleficus.
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Clip. Just don't touch anything while it's playing. We should be good.
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I can't even get into our chat now. Chats, Maleficus. All I can see is me and you. Crikey. Oh, hang on. It's down at the bottom. There's a little speech bubble with two lines on it. Yeah. I found that. Oh. Oh, found it. Right.
[01:57:06] Unknown:
There we go. I'm sure I'm becoming a first person. Play us out on that one, and you will you'll you'll this is How long is it for the speakers?
[01:57:13] Unknown:
About two, three minutes tops. Right. Well, shall I put it on now? Put it on now. Thanks for having me back on. Nice to see you, Shannon. Thank you for coming. It wouldn't be the same. Right. Alright, mister Scott. Be back with you next week and ready for your rant. Have a good week, Leslie. Forward to it. Take care. Looking forward to
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Done it again.
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Done it again, ain't you? Do you know what I just did? I closed the window so I could see your face.
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Right. I'm playing it. Just I'll be doing Stop.
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A Negro from the London Ducks sings the blackout blues. I hate to see the evening sun go down. Hate to see the evening sun go down. Calls the German he done from this town. Feeling tomorrow like I feel today. Feeling tomorrow and things. Pulled forks round by his apron string. One for Churchill and his bloody war. I wouldn't feel yet, so dug on sore. Got the blackout blue. Yeah. Blue as hard can be. Duck
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Go live. Yes. Rumble studio. Go live. Go live. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker Show coming live out of radiosoapbox.com. It's good to have your company. Today's date is Wednesday, February 2025. Happy hump day. I'm also streaming live via rumble on Shelley Tasker. So if you'd like to go to that channel, you can leave any comments, ask any questions. So I'm on seven till nine again this evening, folks. So we've got the wonderful Debbie Hicks as our first guest. Debbie is a well known activist, freedom fighter.
She was very well well known in the whole COVID times, and we're gonna chat to her. And we've got a surprise for you tonight. The surprise is that we are doing video. Good evening, Debbie. Hello.
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How are you? How are you? I'm very well. Thanks. Yeah. We were just talking about, our you know, I like red wine as well. So it's, yeah. I don't know how we
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No. I'm just saying, I'm sneakily got red wine in a mug. I'm so honest, aren't I? I am. Well, I'm anyway, Debbie, it's a real pleasure to have you on, and you've been on a couple of times before. And last time you was on with Martin Castello and that was when you were both heading for independence for the last election. Yeah. So I wanna go into that a little bit later because I haven't really spoke to you about that since. But COVID times. Tell us your story because, you were you were very well known and very involved. Tell us at the start, what sort of things started happening for you?
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But such as it feels like, everyone keeps saying to me write a book. There's just so much, and I I know it sounds funny, but I've kind of forgotten about it. When I say forgotten, it's kind of like it feels a bit cloudy, my my memory. But where did it all start? I mean, I I know we talked because obviously you came on our our show, which was fantastic last week with with Martin Costello on Resurgent Stew, and we talked about when did you realize that this whole, virus thing, and the lockdown thing was a was a scam. And for me, I have to say before they even announced it, when I heard the stuff coming from China, I started to think, this sounds like it's being hyped up, it's being exaggerated.
And I was kind of watching the news thinking, are they gonna go further with this? I was kind of and I wasn't sure at first, because I was thinking back to the sort of the other stuff we'd had before, you know, the swine flu stuff and all the rest of it. And I was sort of wondering if it was just gonna be the hype like that. And then when they said that they were gonna draw up legislation, and they were gonna close parliament down, I thought, I thought, what is this, this Corona Act? And I, I've always been really interested in legislation, what's been really political.
And I've said to you before you teach politics. And so I've I've been involved in that world as well in the past. So my first instinct was to read the coronavirus. So I got it up from the parliament website and I was absolutely shocked at what I was reading. To me, at the time, it felt like the Enabling Act, which is what took, the Germans into Nazi Germany, in terms of the mass, controls that were going to come in, in everything, and the censorship and, oh, everything. I was absolutely shell shocked. And I, I remember at that moment this sense of panic coming over to me because I felt this sort of time was coming for a long time in my life. Politically, on a personal level, I felt that this tyranny, this this time was coming. And I thought, this is it. This is this moment. And I remember messaging lots of people I knew politically at that time, and saying, we've got to get down to London.
My megaphone, you know me and my megaphone, gotta get down to London, and I wanted to go out. Well, I used to live in the shroud in Gloucestershire, And I remember saying to my husband at the time, I've gotta get out. I've got I've I've I've thought we've gotta rally people. We and he's like, no. No. No. No. You can't do that. You you it's just not gonna work. Because everyone at that point, I think, was generally kind of scared, thought this was a real big thing. And, you know, I probably would have been lynched at that point. I mean, this was what, March 2020. But I knew, and I just felt this fire inside of me right from the beginning that this is something huge. This is something awful.
And then, of course, as the the weeks went by, and they announced the lockdown shortly afterwards, didn't they? And so, you know, people were enjoying it. At first, it was sunny. They were on furlough. They were out in the garden. It was beautiful. The weather was beautiful, wasn't it? Do you remember?
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Oh, yes. I
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had this sense of panic, and I had a, I'm not gonna say her name, but a lovely friend in London I'd been in touch with for a long time. And we started busting each other. I'd never met her. And we were just so on the same page. She got everything she thought the same as me at that time. And we were the same. We're like, well, we've gotta do something. And we we ended up meeting in London. I think we were the first twenty people actually that met, with someone called Nacho. I don't know if you know Nacho from stand up ex. He's still doing stuff. He's he's great.
We all met. We didn't know each other apart from me and this this friend. And we met in Parliament Square. And And looking back, it was like something out of a comedy film, actually, but it wasn't the time. We do you remember that thing where you could exercise or something in the park? I don't know. It's an hour a day. The police and this is what April 2020 getting on for May. The police chased us around in Hyde Park, Green Park. Because London was like a ghost town, and we had about a hundred police chasing us, 20 of us. We were doing these exercises trying to get rid of the police. It was actually quite comic, but it was also very dark as well that the fact that the police were chasing us around like this and, that they threatened to caution me. They got hold of me on on a street corner, and then I managed to get away because it was all a bit mad.
And that that was the beginning of it for me. I sort of network with these people and it kind of just rolled from there, really. I think things started to grow in London every week. More and more people started turning up in London because they knew this was a big, scam, if I could say that. They knew it wasn't right. I think as the weeks went on and you said those people kind of worked out, that there was no big deadly virus, and that this was an attack on your rights. And, and that kept going. And then I think, they called another it kind of stopped for a while. They did something just in there, I think, in the summer.
And then there was the other lock, the the new lockdown that was called in November, I think it was. And that's when it started getting more organized. People were organizing rallies. I think things were being organized in London. There were rallies that were quite big. And, I think it was December 2020 with that new lockdown that they used to, bring in these rules about, you know, the the numbers that you had to be with people, you know,
[00:08:23] Unknown:
where you can In your bubbles and things like that. It seems so surreal, doesn't it? Rules about the numbers, wasn't it? And,
[00:08:31] Unknown:
I've got a tier system. Do you remember that? It was like Yeah. Different tiers. I can't remember what tier it was where I lived in Gloucestershire. I think it was one from the the highest tier. I think they put London in the highest tier, which was political. It was that was to do with not wanting people to gather there, obviously. But, in Gloucestershire, I think it was the next one down. And they put out in the local press, it was coming up to Christmas, December twenty twenty. And at this point, I've been out. I've been organizing people where I live locally. I've been doing stuff in Oxford. We go to London. So I was already getting busy and doing stuff because I felt, you know, this was that I'd been waiting for from March. And, what happened is, like, they put out all this stuff in Gloucestershire. The art I say art. I don't live there anymore. The hospitals were overwhelmed with the virus.
Please do not come to the hospitals. That was actually the headline, I think. They are overwhelmed with this. And I just knew. I thought that is lies. Lies. I just knew no snow. Instinctively, I thought I bet it's not like that at all. And then I started to hear from people as well. My husband went in on an outpatients appointment, and apparently, the staff told him in that appointment that they were so bored, it was so quiet, they had nothing to do in Gloucester in Gloucester Hospital. And then I was hearing from other people that have been down there that it's absolutely nothing going on there, it's really really quiet, and I thought right well I was quite bored to be honest, I didn't even think much of it, like it was gonna turn into this big thing, it wasn't like I planned it, like oh this is gonna be a big media thing, I just thought I'd go around with my camera, mobile phone camera. It was really important. Detective mode. Yeah? Yeah. Just walk and talk.
But I'm bored. I I I did feel I mean, if you see the footage, I did feel a little bit nervous as time went on because, I got because I've I was quite aware of the fact that there was there was a few people around, not hardly any. I mean, it was like a ghost, as I said in the the video, like a ghost town with the words. It really was. I've never seen anything like it. I mean, I've been in that hostel, and it was busy. And to walk around, you know, where you can hear your feet walking around like it's it was eerie. I mean, it was like one of those,
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apocalyptic films that you saw. Waiting. You're waiting. Yeah. That's what I felt like when I was working. This is the calm before the storm. Yeah. But the storm just never happened.
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And, I mean, there was obviously and I'll come to that in a moment, the reporting because obviously what happened is I did that video. And, I think when I first put it on social media, it wasn't much of a response, but somehow some of the hospital staff managed to see the video because there were two videos, and this is what I'm gonna come to in a minute because it's all been twisted by the media, obviously. The first video was just me walking around, and then there was another video because I I I went back two days later, and I walked up, the block that supposedly had the COVID ward. It wasn't even a COVID ward. They called them COVID ward. It was ice look, ICU ward, basically, where they were putting COVID so called COVID patients. There wasn't any in there at that time. I looked at the statistics from NHS England. There was nobody in there. But anyway, I walked up through the block and it was exactly the same. I mean, I walked around all different areas of the hospital and what the press at the time at the time said to try and completely smear me and make me look, like a liar and to make me look, non credible was they said that she just walked around an outpatients department, which I didn't. I did walk through the outpatients, but I also walked through the main corridor past A and E outside the, where the ambulances were, and then up the corridor to, in that second video up to the block with all the wards in that was equally as quiet. But But of course, they didn't mention that. They just mentioned that to try and make me look non credible. That was their way of trying to, smear me.
But, I think when the the second video went out, I think these NHS staff really didn't like it because I remember them piling on my page and calling me all these names. And I got so much abuse in my inbox as well. I really got hurt. I got death threats. I got so much abuse. And, that was when can't remember what day she was. Twenty seventh, I think, of December. It was Christmas. I was at home. It was in the evening. I think we discussed this before I was up in in bed. And the the doorbell rang, and I just knew I found it's that isn't it? I thought I just knew. And my husband answered the door. And obviously, the rest is history because that video because I even said to my husband, he's at the bottom of the stairs. I said, quick, get your phone on and film this for god's sake. I need some
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You and your dressing gown at the top of the stand. I was dressing down on and I was so
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angry at this jumped up. I'm sorry that I'm gonna describe it exactly as easy as a jumped up little, you know, he couldn't have been much older than 18, 20 one. You know, young, you know, young enough to be my son speaking to me like a piece of do you know what I mean? I'm so I was so angry that he'd walked into my house, didn't even have the courtesy to say, would you come down to the station and talk to us? Because I would have done that. Of course, I would have done. Or we'll let you get dressed. No. They were just gonna drag me off in my dressing gown. And that that's why I was angry. Quite understandably, who wouldn't be? And I've got a, you know, at that time, he was what? About 13, my son. And he's in the house. And then, you know, to do that when you've got children in the house. Yeah. It it oh, that's why I was so angry. But anyway, the video, I think that's when it went kinda went viral because they'd already people had already seen the footage of the hospital, and there was all that controversy in the press.
And then when I was arrested, of course, the media, they jumped on that as well, and it went viral. And it went, I think it went around the world, actually, about what happened to me. And, it was a bit of a whirlwind. I mean, they put me on Crimewatch, which is Oh, I love it. You haven't even been charged or I haven't even been convicted of anything. And then, you know, to put you on crime watch, I just thought was insane. And, I remember, I think it was the day late or something, waking up and my husband had the radio alarm set so that the radio would come on. And I remember waking up to hearing a conversation about me on the radio. And I'm like, oh my god.
She's like, you're living in some kind of a weird different reality. And, yeah, that was it then. It was kind of like a love hate thing that happened from that time onwards. I got a lot of hate, but also a lot of appreciation for doing it. So,
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yeah. And people needed to see it. And, you know, when I used to work at the hospitals, interestingly enough, they have security put on the door quite soon. So nobody could do what you did, just come in and roam around.
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But no people needed to see it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, good on you. I am. I love it. So I did get a conviction for that, which they you know, when you look at it in hindsight, of course, they had to see it through, make an example out of me, even though I thought it in the high court and I still didn't didn't win, was that they they they had to do that to me because I think what happened is I think immediately afterwards, everyone just started filming their hospital. Everyone was filming their hospital. And I think it just opened up this whole, gap in their lives that the hospital was all and they weren't. And, you know, there's been so much that's come out with evidence about that since. So it's
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yeah. Yeah. Well, good on you, Debbie. I think it's amazing. We we need strong women and, you know, I know you said we were gonna bring up about the whole strong women issue because whole COVID thing as well. It was women, wasn't it? It was women out there organizing protests and rallies. I know men did get involved, but it was mainly powered by women.
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Yeah. It's interesting, isn't it? Because I I I there wasn't obviously a lot of men that were active, but I noticed that women were very much leading. I'm very much kind of being quite forceful with that. I'm very assertive. And it was, I was quite amazed, actually, in every community or every group that I kind of got involved with or work with, it was women that were really pushing. And actually, sometimes the women that were pushing some much more direct action where you it was confrontational with the police.
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You know? They were But it was such tire tyrannical times, weren't they? And, I mean, I think we were all in a state of, like, what is gonna happen next? And I can remember watching, I don't know if you've ever seen it, The Handmaid's Tale. I have. It's a very dark series. And I probably shouldn't have watched it at the same time, but I was engrossed. And it was a bit like, is this what's happening? Because, you know, it does it just seems surreal, doesn't it? Four years ago, that wasn't, you know, that was how it was. Your hour out exercising, being in your bubble of six, keep your mask on unless you stand up, and, oh, it was a crazy crazy. It was it was absolutely crazy.
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And I think it it the fact, as I said to you the other night, when you came on resurgence news, it was the fact that only some of us seem to be questioning how crazy it was. You know, it was it's like people just accepted it, didn't they? That you do these things. You know, you stand on a sticker on the floor or you I don't know. Keep in those pods, wasn't it, in the middle of fields, like, having their lunch or whatever in in the park, like, and they're all standing in the circles.
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I can't stand rules. And, I mean, I I understand they're there for a reason, but I also think some rules are there to be broken. And, I mean, just these, like, 20 mile an hour speed cameras no. It's not a speed camera. It's a sign at the top of my road, but I'm always going too fast, and it always flashes and says slow down. And I always drive by sticking my fingers up at air out of the car. Yeah.
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Yeah. No. I'm I'm the same. I've always been a bit of a rule breaker. And I've always been, what people like to call a difficult woman. I mean, that phrase, isn't it? A difficult woman. In the sense, I'm always the one who will say what other people won't say. Like, if No. Your place. When I was at work, in every workplace I've been at, I'd always be the worm that would say something that no one else is saying that was difficult. And, of course, you you know, if you're like that, you never fit in. You don't fit in anywhere. And for a long I think for a long time, Shelley, I don't know about you. I, when I when I was younger, there was always a sense of feeling a bit lost because of that in in the sense of I never really fitted in in any workplace. I struggled to make proper friendships with people because I'm quite different in that way. And if you think differently, it's quite hard to find people that understand and relate to you.
But now and I think that was that was the the synchronicity of it. It was amazing, which is why I do think there's something spiritual in all this. Was that time when that time came, it was like I was ready for that. I've reached a stage in my life where I didn't care anymore, people think of me. If if you think I'm a mad conspiracy theorist, you think I'm a mad hysterical woman, any of those things. I didn't care anymore. And that's why, you know, that's why I did those things because I just put up with it all with my world that we live in and conforming with it.
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So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with being outspoken. There's too many people around with their heads down, aren't there? And, like, oh, I'll just ignore it. And I've I've never liked that. If you've got something to say, stand up and say it, and don't be a fanny is always one of my to say it. I can't help it. Can't help it. But, no, I think you're right. It brought something out in me as well. I've never been like that. You know, I've been passionate about things on Facebook and debates and stuff, but, you know, that first question I can remember asking, like, does anybody know anybody personally that's died of COVID? Not your auntie a hundred miles away knows somebody, you know, just to get the conversations going. Yeah. And I think now, I I couldn't stand getting into arguments with people, really, but I don't know. I got into the habit of just block, delete, block, delete.
No time for it. But, like you say, there's something it was almost like you're calling. Yeah. And I do I think that it's like, wow. Yeah.
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Open me up to a lot of things. Yeah. No. So yeah. No. Definitely. Yeah. It was a time, you know, we've all had a lot of abuse as well if we've made a stand. I'm sure you've you've had stuff, you know, smacking people. And also, I think it's a process of toughening up, isn't it? You know, it makes you a much stronger person if you have to take all that flack from people. You and, you know, you you learn from it. So it's it's all been a learning curve. I think the last, what, four, five years has been a learning curve, hasn't it, really?
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Oh, definitely. Definitely. It it's all made us stronger and made us find out more about who we are. And like you say, you've got a voice. You've got a very powerful voice, and it's there to be heard. So credit to you, young Debbie Hicks. So moving on then to what happened? Did you get a good result for when you stood for independent?
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How did that all go? No? No. Not at all. No. I mean, there there's two factors, I think, why I I we knew we weren't ever gonna win. It was never about winning. But we we hope to make some kind of an inroad as independence in terms of trying to show people there could be a different political system. And and we were perhaps naively. I think a lot of people felt this way, actually, because there were loads of independence that ran all across the country. Most independence that I spoke to, and I was in contact with different people, felt that perhaps we'd reached a point where people were starting to see through the political system, and that they wanted to try something different, even if it was perhaps a bit unpredictable to elect, independents.
So I think that was the reason Martin and I ran as independents, because we thought maybe this is the time to try and start making inroads. It was never about being elected. I had no thought of that or intention, but I, you know and also, I wanted to use it as a platform to get get information over to people that I couldn't normally get through to. Because the wonderful thing about an election, of course, I had to still pay the pay the money to do it. We did we did crowd from a little bit, but we had to pay the rest of it ourselves. Was that Royal Mail are supposed to that's another story you can come to, is supposed to send out your election leaflet that you have to pay for printing, but they post it out for the for free. It's part of the the funding that comes from government for elections, to all people in your area that you're standing in, every household.
And that to me was like a real opportunity to get a message out. And so that was the biggest thing to me is use it as a platform, try and cut through in some way. And, so on that level, I think it was a success because I I managed to do one hustings. The rest of that, there were no other hustings because I think this election was absolutely awful for hustings. There was no hustings anywhere. And that was a
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deliberate deliberate Can you explain what hustings are to those who might not know? Because I didn't know until this last election.
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Yeah. And I think they call it the same thing in the in The States. Don't know? So it's this idea that you get candidates into a room or a hall or whatever, and you get the electorate there or potential electorate there to question them and scrutinize them. That's that's the idea. And it's I think it very much comes from America, that idea. And we've been we've been doing it here for, what, about ten, fifteen years now? You know, like, on the TV, they have the leaders don't make debates. They had I think they had some of that on the TV. Well, that's very, very controlled. But the idea is that in constituencies, candidates, do that in front of the local people.
And normally I think at the, the previous election before that, before lockdown with Boris Johnson, that one, I think there were lots of hustings around the country, but this time, which is very much a sign of the times and how it controlled everything, there was hardly any hustings. And a lot of that was because most of the people that thought they were gonna win, which was labor this time, didn't want to do the hustings for obvious reasons. They didn't wanna be scrutinized. They didn't wanna be shown up. So or any of them, to be honest. So there was just one hustings, which happened to be my constituency, which had no publicity at all. They really didn't even cover it, because they didn't wanna cover some of the stuff I said as well.
One hustings, poor Martin, who was in the other Swindon constituency. There's two constituencies in Swindon. No hustings at all for Martin. So we we were completely excluded from everything. They had TV, they had debates down at the what's called the, Great Western Railway Museum, which is where the old railway used to be, it's very famous there, and it's like a big I don't know. They've got, like, halls there that people use as designer shops. They did a TV thing down there, and they only invited the, the conservative MPs and the Labour opposition and didn't invite anybody else.
And then they did radio, shows, we were excluded. Martin and I, we were not invited, and we tried to complain and take it back, but we didn't get anywhere. We were told because you're unlikely to win, we're not having you on.
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Oh my gosh. Well, nothing surprises me. And it it was absolutely
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we were just blocked out from everything. So for us to get our message out, apart from that leaflet, it was we were so up against it. But, you know, it it doesn't matter because like I said, you know, I I that leaflet went out. And even though we don't think everybody got it, there's issues there as well because we had reports of people not getting the leaflets. There were rumors. I don't know if they're true that there was weird stuff going on at at the sorting office with the leaflets, the Royal Mail, which wouldn't surprise me, political stuff. Because, obviously, Royal Mail is very unionized.
And, if you've got union officials that are dealing with your post, you know, they're not gonna want independence like me that are kind of climate skeptics and, all the stuff that they don't like. So there there was a that whole layer of stuff going on. We can't prove it, but I'm pretty sure some of that was was going on as well. So we were so up against it,
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Shelley. We really were. But you tried. You tried. Yeah. Yeah. Because I Would you try again?
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Maybe. I don't know. I'm not sure. It's, I mistakenly thought that we might make a bit more of an inroad than that. I thought it would. And I think the other big thing, actually, which I haven't mentioned was because, they decided to, reboot reform exactly before the election with, bringing Nigel Farage into reform. Because I think up until that point, they were just kind of, you know, quite in the, you know, no chance of anything. I think that completely changed the the chance of independence like myself or Martin, who'd already been, you know, which is what I've been campaigning on lots of those issues that they took up. It kind of because they had so much media coverage, which they did, they were really pushed by mainstream media. It kind of put us on a back foot, and I think that was part of it as well. So yeah.
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Bless you. Bless you. But all the knowledge and the things that you've learned. And, you know, prior to that, you were doing a lot of activism in the whole keep it cash going. And you know your stuff. Yeah. I've seen you. How important is it? How how fast do you think things are happening with the whole cash situation?
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They're not happening. I haven't been doing some I haven't been campaigning for a while. But it's, yeah, it's happening very quickly at the moment. I mean, in the last six months, a year, they, the the supermarkets are making moves towards a kind of credit system where foods in some places are getting, CO two ratings on the food in terms of, you know, like, this is how much c o twos on the food. So they're already started to kind of normalize this idea that your food's gonna have a a credit if you like or debit. We're not quite sure how it's gonna work in which way, credit, debit for us. Obviously, we've had this sort of fast development of these, supermarkets that are, like, automated where there's no people in them. And I think they've got them in London, I think. Is it Amazon Amazon Fresh and you've got, I think algae got them as well in in London where you can literally go around the supermarket and, you know, pick up all your it's all done sort of with sensors and things, and then you get to the till and it adds it up, you know, self-service, obviously, and off you go. And there's probably, I don't know, one member of staff maybe just managing the whole shop. I don't know.
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So we've had those. What they tend to do is just keep running up and down, don't they, in Audi? I see them. There's somebody they just have constant problems on those machines.
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Yeah. And they usually have one person manning about seven machines. I think you've gotta be pretty fit to do that job. And they've got a lot more staff, obviously, in the other supermarkets, but these ones are specifically very much kind of AI, artificial intelligence, and all these sensors and technology and cashless. They're cashless. So, so we've got those in, that those have been taken off over the last year or so. Literally, just a few days ago, I think Martin and I talked about this on the show. You've got, I think, Audi announcing that they're gonna ask for deposits in some of their shops before you Okay.
Which is so, so worrying. It's obviously gonna be a cashless payment. They're gonna take digitally on your card or your phone or whatever, before you enter the shop. So that and they they haven't actually said it, but I'm sure they're gonna justify it by saying it's to stop shoplifting, things like that. But that's also another step in this direction of programmable money because it's like you're gonna have to a little bit like when you pay up front at the petrol stations, they do that, don't they? I think they can sort of hold the money until you pay for the rest of it. I think it's £10, something like that. So is this system kicking in a programmable money, taking control of your money and coercing you because that's coercion. It's saying we're gonna take that from you if you wanna come and do your shopping. And that's only gonna get worse. I mean, it will it will be, you know, conditions that come in for what kind of things you buy in the supermarket, what you're allowed to buy as soon as it's linked to additional ID. We'll come onto that in a moment. Cause that's, that's something that's coming very soon. As soon as it's linked to a proper digital profile, when you go around that shops, you'll instantly be barred if you like from buying certain items.
Because if it's all with sensors, which is what they're all starting to bring in, you won't be able to buy that bottle of wine, Shelley. I won't be able to. No. If you I don't eat meat. I'm vegetarian, but I've got nothing against people that do it. I'm not not like that. But if you wanna buy meat or you wanna buy dairy or anything that's got, like, a c o two, which is most things, to be honest. If they're gonna go down that route, they're gonna say it's got a c o two, which is nonsense anyway. But, you know, they can say that about everything because most most food food has come from other countries. So it's it's gonna be, I mean, it's gonna be hell, and, the way they're gonna do it is they're gonna make they're gonna use inflation, in my my opinion, you know, they're gonna inflation is gonna go up and up and up, the the cost of food, which is always going up. It's gone up again recently. I don't know if you noticed.
Always slowly going up more. And obviously we've got the whole egg thing going on with the bird flu. Yes. But they're finding all these ways to make food so, so expensive that for average people, not the the the not the rich, of course, but for average people are gonna struggle to get food. And I think when you get a sort of that kind of chaos on suing and there's other stuff obviously going on politically, that's gonna add to that. There's gonna come a point in my opinion, where they're gonna have to say, okay, we've got a bit of a crisis here where people can't access food. We've got a solution for you.
And we know what that that's what the solution will be. They'll bring that together. Then with all this systems, the supermarkets are bringing in and the digital ID, which is currently going through parliament, everybody, by the way, I mean, it's, you've got the D it's called the data access bill. It's currently in the house of laws. I think it's going to the house of commons soon. It's doing it. They're doing it the other way around. And once that goes through and it will go through, cause they've got the majority to vote for it. That is the blueprint.
It doesn't actually specifically say you have to use digital ID, but it's gonna give all establishments, shops, businesses, public services, everybody, the power to ask people for it if they want to. We don't have to obviously give it, but it's like everything, isn't it? It's like going into Aldi and they're asking for a deposit. Some it's it's gonna come to the point where if everyone starts doing it, these shops, we're not gonna have It's gonna it's gonna have to phase in very gradually, I think, isn't there? Because I think a lot of the elder population,
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they don't have smartphones to do all of this stuff. No. So
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And that's the good thing about it. I mean, I, you know, I completely agree with this whole movement and debate about let's start helping our local farmers go to the farm shops. I agree with all that, of course. But the problem with that, Shelley, as I keep saying to people is, I think we're sometimes forgetting there's a whole population that can't afford to do that because at the moment, and I think this is why that whole local farming economy has to really grow is it's not accessible and affordable enough. I mean, I go when I can, I pick up some milk or some eggs or local cheese or whatever, but it's quite expensive compared to, the supermarket? So you've got a whole population, and that's gonna grow as well. People are gonna get worse off.
They are gonna have to weigh up what they've got their money for, and they're gonna end up down at Aldi's, aren't they? Or, you know,
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and then it's probably gonna push the price up for farm shops and stuff like that.
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Yeah. Yeah. So, I think there's this, you know, how we square that as, you know, as activists, if you like, or people that can see all these things that are happening. How do we square that? How do we because obviously the farmers are struggling to make a living and and as well. So I understand they might need to charge more if they're running a farm shop. But it's, you know, maybe we the cooperatives are a thing that needs to be set up, you know, between people where they they make sure the food is accessible for people at a local level.
But it's, that this is how they're gonna get us. It's the basics. That's how they always control people throughout history is when it comes to food and water, that's how they're gonna do it. It it's easy for us to say, well, I'm not gonna conform with that. But when push comes to shove and you've got to feed your kids Yeah. Yeah. It's not easy, is it? It's not easy. No. Not at all. Not for lots of less fortunate
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people. I am fortunate. You know, we do I buy all my meats from the local butchers. Yeah. I'll go to farm shops and stuff, and our food bill is probably quite high. But then I suppose we don't have other things that other people might have. I I do think there are ways because there will always be people that say, oh, I can't afford this, but then they choose something else. You know? But for those genuinely living on the breadline, they just need like I say, got four kids. I need to feed the kids. And we in in Cornwall, the poverty line is very low down here. Very low.
And it's, it's quite frightening. It must be an awful position to be in, really. Yeah. You know, I mean, my car is I've been told today I've had my car MOT'd and he didn't even MOT it. He said it's a write off. He said it's all rusty underneath. It's gonna cost a couple of grand to get it fixed, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I've come out there and I'm like, oh my God. And I'm like, well, do you know what? I've got my house. I've got this blah, blah, blah. I'll walk and, you know, my son will lend me a card. I'm I'm not too worried, but there's gotta be people out there. And I realized that that small financial thing well, it's not small.
Getting a car can just put them in debts in debt by absolute thousands, but they need it to get to work and stuff like that. They've just got you every way, haven't they? Because you couldn't rely on that, public transport.
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No. No. No. No. It was just I mean, my son, was when he was at college, he's finished college now, he had to get, two buses to go to college. And he was prepared to do it, even though it was like very early in the morning, but the bosses never used to turn up, Shelley. Some days, and he come back home and I'd have to take him to college, you know, if if I was here as well. And it's, so this is the thing, we haven't got proper public services, proper transport, have we, especially in rural areas. I mean, we live in a rural area as well. And I just think, you know, there are people that are prepared to use public transport, but they can't because it doesn't work.
So it's, and I don't see that changing all this nonsense from this Labour government and Labour councils about, you know, getting people to use public transport. It's just it's not gonna happen because they're making cuts, just like last government did and the ones before. They're making huge cuts to public spending. So it's, you know, we're not gonna be able to move it, you know, move away from that. And I'm not buying I'm not when I say this, I'm not buying into this whole, we've got to do something about man made climate change and CO two because I I don't agree with any of that. But equally, I do think that we sometimes do use our cars too much from another perspective. I mean, you know, the roads are I don't know what they're like down where you live, but in So does Pothouse.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, the we we haven't had the white lines painted all the the cat's eyes done for god knows how long around you. It's dreadful. I mean, if you drive at night, you can't see the road anymore. It's really it's really dangerous. But, but, anyway, like I said, I've got nothing against people using public transport. I think it's a good idea to encourage people to do it, but it has to work. And it has to be affordable like it is in other countries. So,
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yeah. Yeah. Well, when my car died here a couple of months ago, I couldn't get to work. And somebody said, well, why didn't you get a taxi? And I was like, I'm not getting a taxi that's a twenty minute drive away. It's like half my day wages gone by time I, like, get one there and back. But if I was to get a bus, I'd have to get a train into Madrid, then walk, like, a mile to the bus stop. It'd take me about three hours. Yeah. Yeah.
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That's it. It's just it's not convenient, is it? It's yeah. It's crazy. But, but I think that's part of the other problem, which I don't, I don't see being addressed either is is is reinventing and investing in rebuilding local economies the way it used to be. You know, the the the world where you could find jobs locally. I mean, it's don't get me wrong. It's always been hard and real areas to find work, but it never used to be the case that people used to have to commute, I don't know, 50, a hundred miles just to go to work, which is what people do now. People commute a long way to go to work every day. And it's, you know, you know, all this, regardless of the climate change thing, I just don't think this is a healthy way for any of us to live, where we're driving all over the place just to earn a living. I mean, we, you know, governments and councils, and and working together with businesses needs to be reinvesting in local economies. So, but they're not,
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but they're not gonna do that. Right. Of course they're not. Of course they're not. But it is, I I've watched behind the scenes a little bit that's what's going on in parliament. And I mean, I don't think I I mean, do you think we're gonna have to wait another, like, three years for a reelection? I mean, people will say in the grapevine that Starmer is leaving and Rachel Reeves, but is that a rumor? They must realize how hated they are.
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I think they'll only get rid of him when the election's a bit closer. This is the way they work politically, isn't it? They think someone's gonna lose them in the election. And there's no way they're gonna allow an election to happen because, obviously, he has to make that decision, doesn't he?
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I I don't know if
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did you follow,
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at the start I don't know if it was sometime in December. There was one of these campaigns, .gov for a poll for a reelection. Did you see that? It went viral. Yeah. The petition. Do you mean the petition? That's it. That's it. Yeah. The petition. And it was supposed to have been discussed in parliament on the January 6, and we've just never heard
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any more about that. Did you know anything that happened? No? I think there was some sort of debate, but I think it was, from what I heard, most of them saying that it's they didn't see it as a democratic thing to do, have an election just based on a petition. But, no, I don't see there being to be honest with you, I mean, on on a whole different level, I don't think there's gonna be another general election. I just got this this feeling politically we're heading to I don't mean to be so negative to people listening. I just think we're heading to the situation in Western countries where I think, so much chaos is gonna develop that they'll say we can't have an elections, which, you know, is deliberate anyway. They don't want more elections because they, you know, if you're gonna have a tyrannical system, you're not gonna give people any, presentation because that's where they're not even real elections anyway, are they? They're very, very corrupt. But you're not even gonna give people that kind of forum. So I, yeah, I have my doubts. We'll have another one. I hope I'm wrong, but,
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yeah. What do you think? Is that you phrase it? I don't know. I just think we we all know so many of us know that there needs to be a whole new system, and we need to come away from that. And I'd like to think, you know, like, my town, we've got our own court, we've got our own school, we've got our own hospital. I would like it to be like that. Yeah. But how would you go about forming this sort of stuff, you know? But there are people out there working on it, doing the work. There's the Cornish, Cornwall Constabulary and stuff, and they believe that if they get enough people on board, we'll be able to have our own court system and things like that.
But, no, it's sad. It's scary because it is just getting worse, and it shouldn't be getting worse. Should it really? I mean, we're now at that point, some people, they're never gonna be able to afford to buy their own house when you know that they could afford that mortgage because their rent is double what a mortgage is. Yeah. And it's just crippling people. It's quite, frightening for the young people, I would suppose, if you're not on that housing ladder.
[00:42:59] Unknown:
Yeah. No. It's, I don't see my son ever being able to buy his own home or rent his own home. In fact, it's probably, you know, which is it's just crazy, isn't it? I mean, I I see myself as probably one of the last generations that had the privilege, or should I say it's a right, but, you know, to, and I we managed to be able to to buy at a time when it was quite easy to get mortgages as well. And things have gone up in value. So luckily, when we sold up, we sold our last house because we made a profit on the sale. We moved into another house and cleared the mortgage. So we've got no mortgage. So we're really, we're really, really lucky. But I appreciate most people are not in that position, and people are paying ridiculous mortgages every month. I don't to be honest, there's another thing no one talks about. How do people do it? I just
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we couldn't work. They no. They just all work, don't they? I mean, my daughter and her partner, they both work full time, and then they still pick up extra hours, like, from local takeaway services for a bit of cash and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's sad because it is you're literally out of that house all day to work to pay for it, and you're never in it. Yeah. Exactly. Just say
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There's no life. No. It's not. No. It is no life. No. No.
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No. I would like to think I could just go somewhere quiet and have a have a small holdings, have my own goat and some chickens and things and,
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yeah. I'd love that as well. But the way they're they're using it, they're trying to stop
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us having chickens and Yeah. The other things to have anything. Yeah. We'll need a license soon to grow some vegetables.
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Yeah. I honestly, I can see that coming. It's gonna be like an an underground that's the thing, though, isn't it? You say that, you know, they're gonna make it which they will because what happens when you you ban things or you bring in too many regulations that stop people doing it? If people do just push it, it just pushes it underground. People will find a way of doing it. And so I and and I and it's that kind of, what's the word? Push and pull effect, doesn't it? As with everything, it's like what happened during lockdown. The The reason there was such a huge response is because there was coercion and we were being forced, so we did the opposite. And I think all these things they're trying to bring in, once they bring in the element of coercion, you're gonna get the opposite effect. So and and look what's happened. I mean, over the last two, three years, cash has gone up in circulation.
People are moving away. There's been a big move, and even the media is reporting a lot of people that don't want to use self-service tools, which is part of the same digital control thing. It's the same thing. So I did there has been a bit of a kickback, I think, because I talk to people when I'm out. I do it all the time, and I always queue up at tools and talk to people. And everyone and I I teach people from all different ages and backgrounds, and they all say the same thing. They want to do this because it's jobs.
It's human contact. They want to they don't wanna do everything digitally. People are not stupid. They they can see what's happening. So, it's I'm not it's not all bad, I think. I think, you know, when we look at the future, I mean, there's a lot of horrible stuff that's coming, but I think sometimes we overestimate these psychopaths. We give them too much credit for being powerful when actually they're just relying on us being scared. That's all they're relying on. That's all they can rely on is fear. When we've got, you know, as we saw during the lockdown, we've got the numbers.
You know, we can we can get the numbers if we come together. So I'm I I think there will be a lot of kickback
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in the coming years. Good. I I would I'm sure I'm sure there will. Yeah. Because at at the end of the day, there's gonna get to that point, isn't there, where people are gonna be like, right. We either eat or we pay our council tax. Which one do we do?
[00:46:41] Unknown:
Yeah. And the people will revolt, and they will get together because they can't do anything else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just Because I don't think we're at that point yet where I don't think we're quite at that point where people will say I'm not gonna pay this bill or that, but I think it's it's getting it's getting there, and it will it will come. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Wonderful. Well, moving on, Debbie. You've taken a year out. Why?
[00:47:05] Unknown:
I took it I took it. Why? I'll be honest with you. There's lots of reasons, actually. I think, I mean, I've been an activist on and off. Most of my adult life, I've been interested in and involved politically. I used to be, which I think I probably told you before, I used to be involved with the Labour Party, and I've moved away from all that. I I don't see myself as, left or right or part, in any way anymore. And I used to do so much for that Labour Party. I worked so hard. I I used to organize so much for them. So I, for years and years, I've done stuff, and then I moved away from that. I did a lot of grassroots stuff on my own. The people I used to work with campaigning for the rights of, of homeless people, street, homeless people as well.
A lot of stuff that people, it's one of those issues most people aren't interested in, not politically, they're not interested in the rights of rough sleep as people on our streets. And I felt really strongly about it, that I could see something was growing. And I did I did a lot on that, and I learned a lot from it, actually, about how shocking the business, because it's a business, like everything, the business of homelessness is. There's such a huge money making global market out of what they do with these people, and so I did I did loads on that, and that was very street based activism, I used to go out all the time doing street stores, petitions, campaigns, stuff like that, Food poverty as well. And then the lockdown came and it was non stop non stop for what, four, about three or four years.
And then it got to got to about a year ago. I'm just gonna be really honest here. I felt like this movement, which was amazing to start with, it was absolutely amazing. The the freedom movement that developed out of lockdown, where everybody came together, regardless of your political background, whatever that that meant anymore, color of your skin, who you were, male, female, none of that mattered. And that's what I really liked about it because I'm I was sick and tired of that kind of world of politics. And it was just about our rights, which to me is the battle at the moment anyway. So this is this amazing movement that was like that. And then, obviously, as we moved away from lockdown and the threat of the the COVID passports, I think that was the big thing. Once we moved away from that, I I feel what's happened is people have become come back to their tribal groupings, if you like, politically as well. Like, you've gone back to this being on the right, but I'm with Ferrag, I'm with Boris, I'm with Starmer, do you know, they've all gone back into those kind of boxes, if you like, which I haven't because I've I've moved away from that part of my life. And I think the problem with that is once people go back to it, they get very tribal and they get very, insular.
And they will hate anybody that doesn't agree with them in that way they see the world. And that's what I think has happened to the freedom movement. It's become very much like that, and it's become very divided by by that old politics, that nonsense. And on top of that, you've got a which is what happens anyway in any movement. You you you get a lot of people being gossiped and, you know, did divisional on a personal level. And that's all come together. And I what I felt was about a year ago, I felt like it was becoming impossible to campaign in a positive way.
I felt like it was too, too much negativity, too much having to battle past all of that when you, you know what I'm like, Shelley, and I think you're the same. I just wanna get out and do these things. I don't want all that. I don't want the ego stuff. I don't want the, well, such and such is doing this, but I don't like him and I don't like her. Yeah. Yeah. Just do what I mean. It was, though, wasn't it? It was it's it was Yeah. Yeah. It was becoming like that. And I thought, I just I just don't need this. I don't want this. And, I just felt like for four years, I'd been out all the time as well. I hadn't seen my husband a great deal.
You know, I hadn't done those kind of things you need to do if you've got a family. And I just thought last year, I just thought I gotta focus a bit more on on that for now. So which is what I have been doing. So so forgive me that I haven't been out there. Yeah. But instead, you've been out having dance lessons and doing artwork and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've been, I I feel like, you know, so especially if you're getting older, I feel like there's things I'd like to do that I've always been interested in. So I've always wanted to do Latin dancing, salsa dancing, and, I was always into art at school, but never took it any further. I love drawing. And, I thought I I just sat there one day, and I thought, oh, I'm gonna do these things.
So it's not even for an education, because I've been through all that, you know. That's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's for fun. Just interest, and, yeah. I'm enjoying it. It's,
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yeah. Good. Good. You've you've gotta have that, haven't you? You've gotta have something for you.
[00:51:55] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. You have. And I think the thing is with activism and as don't get me wrong. I've I've I've loved and enjoyed everything I've done, and I don't regret anything I've done either, even politically in the past, which I see differently. I don't regret any of that. It's all been a learning curve and a path that I've been on. And I I I feel it's so important because the way I the way I see activism is I see it as I've, this was a quote that I read rent for being on this planet. I feel like it's the rent that I pay for living in this world is that I just give something back. It just, otherwise I don't, it's hard to describe. I just don't feel right all the time. Like I just feel like life's a bit empty if I'm not doing something about things I believe in.
And, so in a sense, even though I've had a quiet year, there's also that's all that kind of piece of me that's thinking, things things are changing. Well, I'm not doing anything about it. There's it's almost like a sense of guilt, actually.
[00:52:51] Unknown:
Maybe that's just But then you you are still involved, though, aren't you? Like, you've blessed us with your presence, well, you're blessing us with your presence, in Truro for the million women's march a week on Monday. Yes. Yes. And that's yeah. People are like, oh, Debbie Hicks is coming. Yes. Debbie Hicks is coming. You know? So you you're still there. So you're not having a complete break. You know? If you've got a voice, you've gotta use it.
[00:53:18] Unknown:
Well, thank you. And it's not you know? And I hope people will see it that way. It's not me coming in and and and trying to take over on a particular issue because this is not my area,
[00:53:26] Unknown:
and there's probably a lot more people that have a lot more expertise than me on Yeah. But people won't It's not just that they won't. They know their stuff, but they don't feel you know, you just I mean, you say because you were teaching and stuff, it comes very naturally to you. I can tell. But not everybody can get up and do that. And when you do have these events, you do want somebody that's gonna get up and be passionate and be loud and hold an audience, really, don't you? Yeah. Am I am I driving a bit too far? I want the best.
[00:53:55] Unknown:
Yeah. It's you know, I I don't think I probably even realized myself that I was able to do public speaking. It's not something I've ever thought about. It just kind of with lockdown, why I ended up speaking in it, and I ended up speaking more and more, and then people kept asking me to speak. And, as you said, you know, because I was a teacher for a long time, I used to do lectures as well. I used to do some university work for a short while. You just get used to speaking in front of people, and it's, you don't you don't when I first did it, I'm just being honest with you, because it's not it's not necessarily a natural thing, I was really scared when I first did it. When I first stood up in front of a classroom, I remember it very well, I was really nervous.
And then it's like everything, isn't it? It's that you get used to something, and then it was fine after I did it after a while. So that, that's probably why when I stand up and speak publicly, it doesn't really bother me anymore. But, yeah. We should definitely know, aren't we? We've all got our different ways of communicating and
[00:54:54] Unknown:
expressing. And I yeah. I just you know, the anger and the passion comes out, and I, it's really yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. It's wonderful. It's wonderful. So we've just got a few minutes left, Debbie. Is there anything you'd like to hit on plug before you go? Not really. You've men mentioned, like, resurgence news. Yeah. Do you want to have a listeners a little bit about that?
[00:55:17] Unknown:
Yeah. So, Martin Costello and I, we do and Martin's, has been an activist in Swindon for a long time before the lockdown, and I think he'd he run for UKIP back in 02/2018. So he's he's always been political. He's always had a voice and been very passionate. And, you know, he it's a little bit like me. He's got kind of like a love hate kind of following in Swindon. I think a lot lot of the left don't like Martin. But Martin's you've talked to him as a, he's a lovely, really nice man, lovely man, and very genuine. And then I'm very actually prepared to listen to different viewpoints and consider, you know, look at things differently. And I think that's a real credit to someone when they can be like that. But we do, resurgence news, which we started, oh, October, about October.
And it's just, you know, it's really great. And we've got a huge audience and, lots of people are tuning in and following the channel. Every every Sunday we do, we do a live, we do a show. It's very informal, a bit like what you do, we just talk about what's in the news, what's going on, and then we get lovely guests like yourself coming on and and and giving us a kind of different perspective each week on different issues.
[00:56:32] Unknown:
And Yeah. And it's it's good. It's a it's a brilliant channel, actually, in the Facebook page. It's awesome. Great stuff shared there.
[00:56:39] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I I don't I don't do the post on the channel. I think Martin does that, but I I do the I do the show with him. Yeah. So I'm still doing that. And, you know, of course, you know, I I might become actually fit things again. I'm never gonna say never. I'm I'm I'm not saying that. But at the moment, I just, you know, life has to sometimes take a different direction, doesn't it? So,
[00:57:00] Unknown:
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming on, Debbie. It's been lovely chatting to you. Thank you. I'm
[00:57:09] Unknown:
really looking forward to you coming to Truro and, giving your speech, and it'll be a good one. Yeah. Yeah. Looking forward to it. I hope lots of people come. If anyone's listening, I hope you come along. I think you said even though that the focus is on women, I think with men also, we're invited to support the fact that yeah.
[00:57:27] Unknown:
So No. I think there'll be a good turnout. Definitely. Yeah. Brilliant. Yeah. No. I really Wonderful.
[00:57:32] Unknown:
So, anyway, I'll let you get on, and I look forward to seeing you next week.
[00:57:36] Unknown:
Yes. You take care, my lovely. Thank you very much. Thank you. I will see you soon. Thank you, Debbie. You're welcome. Bye. Bye bye. Bye. Bye. Right. So we have got a couple of minutes before mister Maleficus Scott joins us. If you were listening live on Rumble, the stream seems to have expired. Oh, god. My days. So I'm gonna quickly set up a new stream, and I will be back in a couple of minutes to mister Maleficus Scott. Right. Let's play a bit of a sad I love this song. I love this song. If it's going to work are you going to work?
Are you going to work?
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Let's see.
[00:58:25] Unknown:
Cool. Right. Let's go back to the beginning. Right. Okay. I'll be back after this song if it's gonna play. Something's going on. Something's oh. I got it. Take three. Take four. Take five. Oh my days. Oh, here we are. Back in a second.
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Hello darkness, my left its scenes while I was leaving. And the vision that was planted in my brain talking without speaking. People hearing without listening. People writing songs.
[01:03:00] Unknown:
What a tune. What a tune. Right. Let's get ahold of mister Scott. Rumble has decided not to work. So it'll have to be a good old fashioned Skype call. Let's phone mister Scott now. It was working earlier. Damn. Technical issues, I tell you. I, I have spent so long trying to sort out audio and to do video, and the stream just dropped. Whatever reason, I don't know. Bear with. Bear with. Mister Scott is unavailable. Mister Scott, pick up the damn call. Pick up the damn call. He's in rumble. Okay. That's interesting, isn't it? Because I've been booted out of it.
Just asking him to send me a link. Oh, dear. Rumble. Rumble. Rumble. So how are you guys going? Have you had an awesome week? Are you, looking forward to spring? I am. My gosh. I am so looking forward. So looking forward to some sunshine. How can he be in rumble and I can't be? Do you know what? I'm gonna copy and paste the link I sent him. Go and make yourself a cup of tea. Go to the loo quickly or something. And I promise we'll be back in a minute. Right. Let me go to that. I don't know if I can enter it because it's my studio. Let's see. 404. This page could not be found. If you're if you're listening, mister Scott, it's not working.
The one you sent me. Yeah. It's not working. Working. It's probably because it's my own stream that I've created. You gotta love a bit of live. A bit of live radio, haven't you? Let me try one last time. Nope. It's not gonna work. Skype, please. That is interesting that he can be there, but I can't be. And I've set the account. Sometimes I do wonder I do wonder what's going on. Right. Ring the group. Mister Scott?
[01:05:32] Unknown:
Hello.
[01:05:34] Unknown:
Howdy. I have here. Hang on a second. You can't you can't hear me, can you?
[01:05:40] Unknown:
Just drop that, And let me just reboot a sec. Okay.
[01:05:44] Unknown:
I'll I'll just do it. Volume, so I'll be back in two sec. He'll be back in two secs. That's alright. I trust him. It's not like he's gonna leave me, like, for twenty minutes like he did the other week because he just conveniently got engrossed in something and left me to garble on for twenty minutes or so. Anyway, yeah, Debbie Hicks, awesome lady, and I am looking forward to the women's march, million women's march happening in Truro next Monday. That's in half term week. We are meeting at outside Truro Cathedral at 11:30, and the march is starting at twelve. And after the march, we've got a few guest speakers lined up. This time last week, I was in a hell of a panic, actually, thinking that I was gonna have to go up and read a load of stuff, and it's not really my thing. You know? You can't know about everything. I would have done it need to be, but God was on my side.
And, yeah, I've been in touch with Debbie for a few things, actually. Mister Scott, are you there? There we go. Is that working? It is. I don't know what happened with Rumble. Hang
[01:06:49] Unknown:
on a second. My apologies. I've got nothing coming out of my headset. So just,
[01:06:55] Unknown:
deal with that a second. Otherwise, I won't be able to respond to anything when I They would do sign language. Once, I did do a show with I can't even remember who it was with. And for about twenty minutes, we managed to do it with them just talking. But, I'll I bought this software last week called Loopback that's supposed to, well, loop everything. And, anyway, it just it's down to rumble tonight. Not anything else I can say. So that is that is annoying because there's no chat now unless I quickly, I say quickly, boot up a rumble stream. I can try again, but it seemed to think that I was still recording. Are you back, mister Scott?
I can see you.
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Hello? Okay. Shelley, can you hear me? I can hear you. I can't hear you. And, unfortunately, it's not my end.
[01:07:50] Unknown:
Oh, dear me. Right. I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to shout to Darren. I don't know if you guys can hear us. I'm gonna Darren. I haven't even got my phone here. Right. And I'm not shouting because that's he's upstairs. Right. I'm gonna play that same bloody song again because I'm so unprepared. Actually, I might be able to work it out myself. Loopback, this lovely new software that I can't even find the icon for on my desk. Oh, there it is. Right. I'm playing that again. Skype.
[01:08:43] Unknown:
Because a vision softly creeping left its scenes when I was leaving and the vision
[01:10:13] Unknown:
Can you hear me now?
[01:10:15] Unknown:
I can.
[01:10:16] Unknown:
Right. Thank you, Darren. Okay. I'll take this song to Merweb. Right. The stress is over. Darren seems to think that because I created the stream yesterday, you can't on Rumble something. You gotta have twenty four hours. I probably shouldn't have created it yesterday,
[01:10:44] Unknown:
but that's me trying to be highly organized because I've been so stressed with this. Anyway, yes, we've wasted ten minutes, mister Scott. How are you? Oh, no. That tell you what. Your last guest wasn't a waste of time. I caught most of that show. That was a great show. Yeah. She's so Really, really good. What an inspirational lady. And, you know, from her own demeanor, like, you know, I'm not doing anything special. I'm just doing what everyone should be doing. And, totally, I get it. It's good. Good. And it was really interesting what you were saying about at the beginning of your show, you were I did actually make a little comment in your chat, but I had to go away.
So I don't know whether you responded to it. But, yeah, the fact that a lot of the activists were largely women was, I think partly to do with there's a lot of women in the sort of nurse and care industry that would have seen witnessed all this stuff firsthand. But also, just the fact that, you know, you ain't coming near my kids. And that's the whole maternal instinct, I think, was kicking in, across society at that point. Yeah. I think even men started to have maternal instincts and thinking, you're not coming near my kids. You know? So yeah. Yeah. But what a great what a what a,
[01:11:59] Unknown:
what a great little show that was. Oh, good. Nicely done. I'm glad I enjoyed it. You enjoyed it. Shame about the last five minutes. It just dropped for a rumble the last five minutes. It did my did my end anyway. Oh, technical stuff, mister Scott mister Scott. I know you've been getting all technical, haven't you? You've been indulging in all sorts of software. Yeah. You know, hundred pounds for this software, and it's like, that will solve everything. And It will as long as you know how to use it. I don't know how to use it. I don't get Darren to do all of that. But, no, we will get there.
We need to do a couple of tests live, but, like, not live to the audience and what have you. But I caught up something there with Rumble. Anyway, how has your week been?
[01:12:41] Unknown:
My week has actually been alright. Not too busy. Weather's been mediocre. So, obviously, because I work outside, the weather does I'm not just being British. It does play a big factor in my day to day life. So, yeah, so much so. We've had so much rain recently, actually. I'm just gonna invest in some new boots, Shelley. I'm fed up with having wet feet now. It's coming to it's coming to the end of the wet season and I'm thinking, no. I'm just it's it's just gonna carry on raining like it did last year. So I'm just gonna get some new boots and be done with it. Anyway, apart from that apart from that, my week in all seriousness, my week has has revolved around, oh, just working in one of my favorite gardens, beautiful trees and stuff ever. I had the sad job this week of, putting the plaque above the grave of the resident cat that's just died. The lord of the manor, as we used to call him.
I crikey. He must have been about 17, 16, 17. Very old cat. So, yeah, that's kind of that's fine parts, but that's been the poignant parts of my week. That and, music projects. Other other things going on apart from the music projects you know about, other music projects as well, which I'm having fun with and quite excited about. So, yeah. You're living the dream. I am. As I always say, someone's dream, hope they're enjoying it.
[01:14:13] Unknown:
I've got a a slight echo from you, but, again, that's probably my end with my posh software, but I don't know what to do.
[01:14:20] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. Well, I'm literally I'm on a headset, and that's the only Don't you blame me? Output I have. So if I am causing it, it's software from this end, not not, hardware, if you get what I mean. Yeah. That's There's no speakers bouncing back into my mic is what I mean. I'm I'm on headset. So
[01:14:36] Unknown:
Okay. Don't worry. Okay.
[01:14:39] Unknown:
So, anyway, if the echo gets too much, I can always turn down my mic or something. I'll be a little bit further away if that helps.
[01:14:47] Unknown:
Just let me know. Yeah. That's alright. It's not bad, but I can just hear it.
[01:14:52] Unknown:
Okay. Oh, it's gonna do you nothing, isn't it? Anyways, hearing me twice once is bad. So, yeah. Along the lines of, man. Okay. So we got a couple of I I I don't I rarely flick through the tabloids, but there's a couple of things that that piqued my interest earlier today. So they're dragging up a load of stuff about karma sorry, karma. Should be called steer karma, shouldn't he? Because it's gonna come. One day, it'll come. Or in this life or the next, sunshine, it'll come. But Starmer denies breaking COVID rules with voice coach. And it's just like, COVID was a whole lot of bollocks anyway. So what does it matter whether he broke the rules or not? This is all just more smoke and mirrors for public consumption. I hate stuff like that. It really irritates me because you get all these idiot you get all these idiots. They get caught up in the argument. Oh, would you break the rules and power? The rules were bullshit anyway. Do you know what I mean? They were?
So what was this one? The other one. Antidepressants highly effective for treating common problem that's not depression, major study finds. Well, I think you find they're not much good at treating depression either. And not just that, you know, how often are they repurposing drugs all the time? You can take Viagra for this. You can take mushrooms for that. You can, you know, it's they're they're repurposing pharmaceuticals all the time. Just I think because they just have a backlog of them and they just wanna get rid of a loan. Oh, yeah. It'll treat this as well. You know? But the one that really, jumped out at me this week was, right, fourfold rise in young people identifying as gay, lesbian, or bisexual over the last decade? New data shows. What what could have possibly been the big change in the last decade, Shelley? You know?
You know, how is it more people are identifying in that manner? Is it because it's just become wholly more acceptable now? Is it because it's an an agenda driven thing? I don't know. I just for me, that stuck out as a as a I don't think that was a headline. That was a brag
[01:17:11] Unknown:
on their behalf, in my opinion. Sorry. But it is sorry to any gay or lesbian people out there. But yeah. No. I think you're right. I was having this conversation with somebody today at the top of the group, and we were saying about all the confusion with people and their identity. Well, perhaps they wouldn't have all this confusion if they wasn't having it rammed down their throats at school.
[01:17:33] Unknown:
Absolutely. What could possibly be the change in the last decade, Shelley? What could possibly be the change? Why is it we've got a fourfold rise in young people identifying as, you know, having difficult times ahead? Whatever. But yeah. So tabloid wise, honestly, I just yeah. Just been really I I know why I don't look at them. You know what I mean? And every so often, something will leap out you and think, oh, that's shit. And then you bite the hook, don't you? But that one really got me going this week. You know, it's because you're educating people in that manner. Of course. You know?
[01:18:08] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. No. It's shocking. It's shocking. So many people confused, and I don't know. I take the Are they a man? Are they a woman? Are they a cat? Are they a are they a dog?
[01:18:22] Unknown:
There is someone in one of the local schools identifying as a cat, isn't there? Or one of the local colleges, one of the lecturers. Yeah.
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A furry.
[01:18:30] Unknown:
Yeah. I'd I'm not sure what's going on. I mean, how do they provide for that? Do they put out litter trays and stuff or what? I don't know. Well, what I mean, are they allowed to lick their genitals in public? I mean, what what's going on?
[01:18:42] Unknown:
Well, this this lady I was chatting to earlier, they what did they she said that at Camborne School now, that they've totally got away with male and female toilets. They're all unisex,
[01:19:00] Unknown:
and she's horrified. Done away with that. And that's that's a nice safe environment. I mean, boys get beaten up in boys' toilets, let alone you know? I mean, that's why they you you have all this nonsense. I'm still aware even though my kids haven't been to, you know, they're homeschooled, whatever. But I'm still aware of some of the ridiculous rules that you have in schools nowadays, like, you can't leave to go to the toilet in the middle of the lesson unless you have a medical pass and all this kind of thing. It's been done. A, because people were using it to skip lessons, and b, because they're all in the toilets vaping and and beating up all the little kids that come in for genuinely wanting a wee. So it doesn't make it safer for anyone to, do away with, sex toilets. They're there for a reason. Wouldn't you wouldn't you agree? I mean, I just I I would agree.
[01:19:53] Unknown:
Yeah. But that's me. I don't I don't like it. I don't like it. When I went to the hall for Cornwall last week, I was like, why are there men queuing in the ladies' toilets? And then I realized that it was a unisex toilet. But, yeah. Odd. Odd.
[01:20:08] Unknown:
And also today, we've been doing And you don't women don't want to be going into a toilet where men have been peeing on the seat and stuff. You know? You've said it. It's just like that's that's, you know, that's one of the things, isn't it? That's why if you go into a men's toilet, they don't tend to have toilet seats in all the nightclubs and stuff in UK when I was growing up. There wasn't toilet seat on any
[01:20:33] Unknown:
No. It's crazy. Men you men are, messy. I hate to say it. You know? I live in a house of boys. But hey ho. Sorry. But, yeah. So it's alright. I'm just messing around with this to see if it will go live on on Rumble again because I just think I've realized I've done. Stream ready. Okay. Let's view the live stream. Oh, it's waiting. Yeah. Don't even worry about it.
[01:21:07] Unknown:
Don't even worry about it. So Never mind. Never mind. I'm not gonna get stressed because lovely young lady that you had on your show beforehand, she also ran as local councilor. Yes. Didn't she? Yeah. Well, I mean, I wish we had a local councilor around here like that. I mean, I'm not being funny. Our local council is called Dick Cole. And I'm not joking either. It's not spelled the way the listeners might be thinking. It's d I c k c o l e. But it may as well be spelled the other way.
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Way. Oh, I just see I think god. I'm glad I'm not a counselor, really. I see lots of abuse that they get online and people tagging them on Facebook and things like that.
[01:21:50] Unknown:
Most of the locals around here hate our hate our local counselor because, you know, he he okays all the wrong things. You know? I think it was him with heavy heart said that they had to sign some document allowing loads more housing to go up in various areas, and it was all like local councilors getting together. And, you know, these these councilors were given, like, forty minutes to read, like, three days, four days worth of documents. You know? Reading time, I'm talking. You know? I think it was him that shared a meeting saying, oh, I think it's with heavy heart we're gonna have to just accept this. You know? It's just like, yeah. You knew that was coming. Yeah. I think it was. Yeah. I I yeah.
Allegedly.
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It's messed up. It's messed up. Anyway, onwards, mister Scott. So I'm, like, now further into Hellstorm.
[01:22:43] Unknown:
Oh, how are you getting on? Well, so before you, go ask me anything Yeah. Just what's your general feeling of of reading the book so far? What's if you could sum it up into a a paragraph, I you know?
[01:22:56] Unknown:
Well, from why gather so far? I mean, the war, we've I've never heard firsthand accounts, and we talked about it last week about the fires, the prosperous is it phosphorus? Phosphorus bonds. Yeah. Phosphorus bonds, things like that. And it was a real eye opener, but now I've got to the point where, the Russians are making their way through Germany and the Mongolians, and they are just evil.
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Evil. Yeah. Absolutely.
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How do these men all I can think of is, did these men not have mothers, not have sisters? The amount of rapes that went on I know. I know. I just like 100,000
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recorded in Berlin alone.
[01:23:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I don't I just don't get it. They're just animals.
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Because partly because they, they were all fed on both sides. If you look into the Morgantown plan on the on the American side, and if you look at what the, the commissals and everything were were handing out the the leaflets and stuff to their, and in their in their papers and stuff. All these things like Stalin as far as Stalin was concerned, at the end of the war, when they'd captured the Reichstag and they'd conquered Berlin, what were they going to do to install law and order? Stalin's words were let the men have their fun. Fun? They don't care.
They don't care. And another thing is when you look at the, you know, particularly the the Mongolian tribes and stuff that came down that were, put into the Russian army, they have a far lower value on life than you or I do. And if you extrapolate upon that, they're gonna have a far lower value on your life than they would have on any of their own. It really to to these people it doesn't matter. And if you if you ever get through the, the video of Europa Last Battle, you'll hear interviews with Russians talking about what men they were for doing things like that. It's very, very sad.
[01:25:22] Unknown:
As in what? They were proud of what they did?
[01:25:25] Unknown:
Yes. Yes. God. Yeah. Because don't forget, with the Morgantau plan, what they wanted to do was annihilate the German race. The Morgantau plan talked about sterilizing all German males. So, I have a friend from Germany, and one of his best mates, her grandmother was raped by a Russian and and she's a descendant part German, part Russian. Yeah. You know, and that's very commonplace. Very commonplace in Germany, as you can imagine, for obvious reasons. It's a way of it's another it's another attack on race, culture, and heritage.
[01:26:06] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, his writing and I know there are, like, a lot of it are segments that people it's their own words and stuff like that. But this last chapter, the last 30 odd pages have all basically just been about women, grandmothers, children being raped. Yeah. And I mean telephone receivers
[01:26:27] Unknown:
and knives and all sorts of dreadful things. Yeah. I know. Yeah. So Nobody this is a part of history that nobody ever ever reads about. I've actually uploaded a clip to Skype that I'd love you to play if you can. And this is talking about Dresden from our side of the world. We touched on Dresden last time. Mhmm. And you were asking me, I I told you about a testimony of of a guy who was a British prisoner of war in Germany in Dresden when the raid took place. Well, I found the interview, and I've uploaded it to Skype. And it's it's about eight minute eight and a half minutes, but it really is worth a listen. I think it's it's worth a listen for the for the listeners to hear as well because it shows you how that's just the Russians advancing. It shows you how barbaric our our bombing campaign was. We it had nothing to do with hitting, you know, infrastructure at all. As I touched on last last week, we quickly discovered after Coventry that the biggest, the hardest thing for the government to deal with was the was the displacement of people, not the services that could easily be reinstalled and and and reinstated within a week.
It was the displacement of people. Hence, we switched our bombing campaign from bombing industrial complexes to bombing the housing areas that worked those industrial complexes.
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That's how we did it. Well, do you wanna play do you want to play it, Maleficus?
[01:27:59] Unknown:
Yeah. By all means, play it. As I say, it's about eight minutes long. So we we won't do a bottom of the hour song or anything like that because And if you like, you know, if you wanna touch more on this after the clip, we can I've got, you know, I've got another Kurdish ghost story for you, but it can wait till next week. We were a bit, late on starting anyway. So I think this is kinda more important in in a lot of ways. Well, just as important. Folklore, upholding folklore, and all that kind of thing. I I love all that. But, yeah, if you've got it, by all means, play it. This is a guy called, I believe his name is Victor.
The clip is entitled BBC Breakfast, The Horror of Dresden. If anyone wants to go look it up on YouTube. His his name is Victor somebody. I can't remember his second name now, but this is the chap anyway. And when when the interview starts, he's talking from the perspective that he was already in prison, in a prison cell in in Dresden.
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Okay. Are you playing it, or do you want me to play it? No. I'll have to get you to play it. Otherwise, it won't go anywhere. Oh, okay. You won't go anywhere. Oh, what? All this loot back system. Right. Here we go.
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Seventy years ago today, allied forces dropped thousands of bombs on the historic German city of Dresden. Historians consider it one of the most controversial campaigns of the second World War because civilians seem to have been targeted deliberately
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by British and American planes. The attack lasted for three days and killed around 25,000 people. Commemorations will take place in the city today. Among those taking part are two survivors who shared their experiences with us.
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My parents suffocated in the cellar, and out of the 14 people there, I was the only survivor.
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It was terrifying. At first, I thought it was the end of the war. But when it didn't stop, I believed it was the end of the world.
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On our streets, all I saw was rubble, rubble, rubble, burned houses, and people searching for loved ones. They had no belongings anymore, and the dead were everywhere.
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Well, another survivor of the attacks in Dresden is Victor Greig, who was a prisoner of war when the bombings began, and we're very pleased that Victor is with us now. Very good morning to you, Victor. We were just hearing then some of the first hand eyewitness accounts from those Germans who survived. Tell us how it was that you were in Dresden at that time.
[01:30:39] Unknown:
Well, I would presume. They've already told you. But, how was it? It was evil. I don't really know what you expect me to say when you say how was it. Thousands of firebombs dropping all over the place, explosions, heat, fire, people screaming, people burning, people alike, well it wasn't, after about half an hour it started developing into something which was really bad. It started off, it started off rather tame actually, the first five or ten minutes, The very first wave, as far as I can remember, the mosquitoes dropped the, the lights, the fairy lights, and then the first crane, lock came over and dropped all these incendiaries.
And then, of course, as wave after wave came over, so, the impact got heavier. It, it is about thirty five minutes, forty minutes after the first bombs had dropped that the bomb dropped outside the building that we was in and, killed killed my mate, Harry. And, and about three quarters of the people in there were called. And so you go out and, you come out there and the whole place is a furnace. It's a furnace. Because we were in the center of Dresden. And the wind hadn't grown up by that. The fire really, it happens, although it was, you know, bad, naughty, horrible, it was the, it was the second wave which really brought the tornado into being.
Because then they started dropping the 4,000 pound, you know, blockbusters and 4,000 pounds of net arm, which if it dropped anything within about 300 yards, it was immediately incinerated. So, and then to feed the fire, so you get the wind coming in. And that's really tornado force, and you just can't it's it dehumanizes everything, anything that you've experienced before. I've been through six years of war. I've lost all but three of the 28 blokes I joined up with in 1937. I'd been in every battle in The Middle East. I'd been in Italy. I'd come home. I'd been captured at Arnhem, but nothing prepared me for seeing women and children alight flying through the air.
Nothing prepared me for that. Before Dresden, I was, just an ordinary I could look at people get killed, also dead dead. But, after Dresden I was a a nutcase. I was, it just sent me it took me, it took me forty years to get over it. And I I don't I I don't think I even laughed for forty years. I couldn't he couldn't even laugh at anything. But Dresden itself yeah. You see people stuck in they try across with they try across over to us, a group of them, because
[01:34:33] Unknown:
Oh, fucker bollocks. What happened? I don't know. I touched something. I didn't turn it off there. Hang on. Seventy years ago Oh my god. It's gonna go back to the beginning unless it's aware Day today, allied forces dropped thousands of
[01:34:52] Unknown:
That's the beginning, isn't it? Don't worry about it. Sorry about this. Look. That's fine. It's fine. Well, you get the idea. He was just about to tell you how he watched a group of people try and cross the road, and they got stuck in the tarmac halfway across and just exploded. You can tell. You know, and that's that's from our that's a story from our own side. And I wanna, make an amendment to what the BBC guy said at the beginning of the show when or the beginning of the clip when he said that 25,000 people died. That's utter nonsense. That's utter propaganda.
At least a hundred thousand people died. At least. And at one point, they stopped counting because all there was was piles of ash.
[01:35:35] Unknown:
Oh. So It's just heartbreaking.
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And that the thing is as well, it was a tried and tested method by then. We'd already bombed every we bombed every city, Every major city, we've done exactly the same to. Cologne, Hamburg, all these places, we'd we'd done that to. I remember hearing a testimony of a pilot taking off and the navigator well, after he'd taken off, the navigator said, well, you don't need me to do anything. Just head for the glow on the horizon. And that was that was while they were still, like, over the British Channel. You know?
So it was a tried and tested method by then. But the fact that it was the February 14, so it's kind of poignant that we're bringing it up because it's coming close to Valentine's Day. It was the February 14. That's their Mardi Gras in in, you know, all I can do, really, one of the best things I can do. That guy actually wrote a book. You can read about his he wrote a couple of books actually, before he died, about his military service, and he touches on Dresden in one of the books. But one of the best books you can read is Apocalypse 1945 by David Irving.
Probably one of the best books written on it purely because it's done in a very, very clinical manner, and he interviewed people from both sides. You know, really, in actual fact, just looks at the executive decisions that were taking place during that time. As I say, it was a more efficient policy to bomb the populace than it was the industrial centers. And don't get me wrong, the industrial centers, we bombed the hell out of them as well. But we also bombed concentration camps because they were, you know, we're going on about how bad the concentration camps were in Germany, these forced labor camps. But because they were industrial complexes, we bombed them. And then we set the Nazis up as the people responsible for the deaths of all these corpses when the British troops moved in. You know? So, like I say, wars atrocities happen throughout wars, but, you know, if you're really honest about it, if you're really honest about it, Europe was absolutely raped at that point. And I don't, I don't, obviously, don't just mean metaphorically.
And what for? What for? To stop what? Hitler was fighting a war to stop communism taking over Europe. That in his own words, that's what really he was he wanted living space for the Germans and to stop the spread of communism across Europe. And a lot of historians would agree with that sentiment, you know, if if Hitler was pretty much the only thing in the way of the communist spreading across Europe. And then what happened? You know?
[01:38:28] Unknown:
So much. Yeah. There's just so much to learn, isn't there? And, you know, as as horrid as it is, I'm glad I'm learning about it to have that understanding about what really happened because we don't you know, it doesn't matter how many old war films you can watch and war documentaries. You don't get many it's like people's testimonials like to that book.
[01:38:51] Unknown:
This is this is this is what this is my biggest thing at the moment. I've done my studies on the political side and the the sort of, if you like the military sort of movement sides of things, at least I've I couldn't tell you exactly how the war progressed in in its various stages, but I've certainly read about an awful lot of battles. And and and really the politics behind it all was my big thing because of granddad's book. But my thing now is reading personal testimony. That's that's the biggest insight you can really get into a lot of this stuff, and that's what's so good about the Hellstorm book is that it is full of personal testimony.
[01:39:32] Unknown:
Well, I've just got to the bit where Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin
[01:39:38] Unknown:
have met met up. That's just The Yalta agreement. Yeah. How we're going to divide Germany up after the war.
[01:39:45] Unknown:
Oh, okay.
[01:39:46] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crikey. Crikey. Yeah. Roosevelt was a very, very ill man by that time. He he was, I think, stomach cancer or something he had. He was not a well man at all. But, you know, he oversaw basically, he oversaw the destruction of the British Empire, and that was his intention. Not that it was ever not that it ever belonged to us Britons. We lived in an empire that the sun never set on, but it didn't really belong to any of us, did it? So
[01:40:21] Unknown:
Well, there you are. Yeah. Yeah. So next week, we can delve a bit further up where I'm at then. But, no, it's fascinating. It's fascinating. Yeah. I know a lot of people, like, reading history books like this. And, yesterday, Kevin, and all of these interruptions, I was like, oh, by crying out loud, I'm just trying to read this book.
[01:40:40] Unknown:
But, no. I'm enjoying it even though it's like It's it's gripping when Yeah. It's gripping because you suddenly realize everything you've watched on TV, all those movies and all that you know, even the great movies. You know, I mean, I love Inglourious Basterds. I think that's a brilliant movie.
[01:40:57] Unknown:
Have you seen that one? Yes. Years ago. I'm gonna have to watch it. Yeah. And
[01:41:02] Unknown:
Oh. I love that film, but it's totally just ridiculous propaganda. The whole thing is just there's so much in there that's just, like, perpetuating all the lies and everything we told back in the nineteen forties. It's just and not even that. Not only is it perpetuating it, it embellishes upon it and makes it into this glorious, like, crusade. And it wasn't at all. Look at the death and destruction we caused. It's dreadful. Absolutely. And I say we, not in our name. But, you know, it's absolutely dreadful. You know, I've got a lovely quote for you actually, Hans. So I'm darting away for I don't even know if we're going out on camera. Probably not. No. We're not. Don't worry.
But I've got a lovely quote for you here. I was 18 when I was sent into battle at Fromelles. So this is talking about World War one. The hard thing was to see so many mates drop beside you and control yourself and face up to the things that were happening that that you couldn't really believe. War is both the silliest and cruelest activity that a man can get mixed up in. And it breaks my heart even now to think of it. Walter Herbert or Bert Bishop, ex fifty fifth Italian, speaking nearly seven decades after the end of World War one.
You know? And when you think about what these poor guys, if you one of my favorite David Irving quotes when he was in his his, his libel battle in The UK here with Deborah Lipstadt. When he was in the libel battle, he said one of his quotes were and it was picked up by the newspapers as well. And he said, do you think he said, I'd like to get in an airplane and land in a in a in a Britain that was, you know, forty or fifty years ago. And the guy said the the the guy questioned him, said, what do you mean? And he said, well, do you think that anyone fighting on those beaches, anyone, do you think any of those men on the D Day beaches would have gone 20 paces up the beach if if they'd have realized what their country looked like today?
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Yep.
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Sums it up. No. No. They wouldn't. They wouldn't. So it shows you that's not what they would go. They that's what they, you know, that's what they believed they were going there for. We've been sold out. Absolutely sold out. At the cost of what? Thousands and thousands of our own people. Yeah. I think there's a I played a tune on the show last year and it was a cover of an Iron Maiden tune, called, Have You See Writing on the Wall, it's called. Brilliant lyrics in the tune. And one of the one of the lines is, once our empire was glorious, now tear the empire down. The dead gave us the time to live, and now our time is done.
I don't believe that's necessarily the case. I think it's it's stories and and ideals like this that really should spur people on to, like your last guest you had on, you know, take the bull by the horns and actually just go and do something. You know, her little comment at the end of the show about, the rent I pay to to stay on the planet. You know, we're the only idiots that pay to live on the planet anyway. And who are we paying? Some bunch of fat cats right at the top of the food chain. But if I'm gonna pay any rent to be on the planet, yeah, it's just gonna be speaking my mind and and standing up for what I believe is true. And and, you know, I believe, you know, I believe wholeheartedly. I couldn't care if anyone is offended by it, but I believe wholeheartedly in everything my granddad put in his book.
You know?
[01:44:52] Unknown:
Tell the listeners, just in case they don't know, the name of your dad your granddad's book. Granddad's book was Hidden Government.
[01:44:59] Unknown:
Lieutenant Colonel J. Cray Scott. If anyone wants to look it up, you can get it on Amazon, or you can get it on, from candor, c a n d o u r, dot co dot .org.uk. So candour, c a n d o u r, dot org dot u k. I don't make any royalties out of promoting the book. Just the tip of the hat to my granddad. And the fact that I just believe that knowledge should be out there. And the fact that people were writing about it so long ago. Yeah. You know, granddad published that book in 1954. And he wasn't the first. There were loads of people before him. And there's been loads of people after him. But because everyone sits there and looks at their bloody mobile phone or watches BBC and can't be asked to get off their fat thumbs to go and do anything, we're stuck in the mess we are.
Was that your little rant this week, Maleficus? Well, I've had two this week. I quite like it, haven't I?
[01:45:59] Unknown:
No. Very true. Very true. And, you know, you've gotta keep these books in circulation as well.
[01:46:04] Unknown:
You know? You have. There's actually you know, there's a whole lot of books out there. I mean, that that Gunner on the Somme book that I told you about, a a few weeks back, or a week or two ago, you know, that was he he wrote that, and it was lodged. He gave it to the Imperial War Museum. And what did they do with it? They sat on it. They sat on it for, like, thirty five years until his granddad grandson realized that he'd written it and tracked it down and asked for it, and then published it. But it's an invaluable account. Yeah. Yeah. So how many other accounts are there like that lodged in in the in the Imperial War Museum? You know?
Yeah. Probably thousands. Because, you know, probably a lot of people did wanna write about it, but they didn't wanna tell their loved ones about what they saw.
[01:46:52] Unknown:
You know? Patrick's just made a comment. He just said, Maleficast, you should read and do an audiobook of your granddad's book.
[01:46:59] Unknown:
I did actually start. I did actually start.
[01:47:05] Unknown:
Maybe I will. Maybe I'll finish it. Squeeze it in somewhere. Yeah. No. It would be good because there's lots of people that don't read, isn't there?
[01:47:13] Unknown:
Yeah. I must admit audiobooks are invaluable in the workplace. They really are particularly if you do a job that doesn't you know, like my job gardening, weeding a flower bed. What better than to listen to an audio book or or a broadcast podcast like your own or like the good Paul English's? You know, it's, yeah. It it it I I can't tell you how much I value having audio at work
[01:47:40] Unknown:
because it's such a mundane job. Yeah. You know? Well, I like company going around during during the day. You know? I tend to flick from room to room, and I use a lot I listen to a lot radio on my phone. I listen to Geoff Rentz a lot lately.
[01:47:53] Unknown:
Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I I I think me and Andy were on Jeff Rentz's network for I was on with Andy. I think Andy is still on Jeff Rentz's network. Oh, yeah. Okay.
[01:48:04] Unknown:
Yeah. It's not it's nice getting excuse me. Well, just getting their perspective on stuff, isn't it? And of course, he's American as well. It's nice getting the other side. Yeah. Interesting. I'd like to have a coffee with him. Yeah. I just feel like I know him, everybody. And hello there.
[01:48:23] Unknown:
Yeah. He's he's got a very gentle voice, isn't he? Yeah. Yeah. So He's got a good voice for radio. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. No. I I that being said, I do spend a lot of time nowadays working with someone. So I'm, you know, don't get to listen to as much as I used to. But it's probably a good thing. As I said before, I've I've had a really nice break from all these subjects, and it's, to the point where I feel like I can get my I can take ownership of them and getting and get my teeth back into them. Do you know what I mean? Whereas, you know, sometimes a lot of this information, even for even for a hardened veteran like me. I I'm not really. I've only been into it really for about ten, fifteen years, but, you do need a break from it sometimes. So you're you're embarking on a very noble journey, Shelley. You really are. Just just by picking up that book and and reading the next page.
Because it perpetuates that information for everyone else. And it gives you a a a broader understanding of all the bullshit that you've been fed over for years by Hollywood and, you know. Yes. I've seen one pro German movie from Hollywood, have you? No. No.
[01:49:35] Unknown:
Oh, dear. But, you know, it's nice actually because I will bring these things up now about people I'm talking to. And it's like, cool. I could be a historian, Maleficus.
[01:49:46] Unknown:
No. Not that Well, you already are by definition. The fact that you're delving into it. You already are by definition. We'll put that on my CV then.
[01:49:53] Unknown:
You should. I will. I will. But, no. News news run because one thing that I will be checking out later on after the show is Richard Vobes today because our lady that's organizing the Million Women's March in Cornwall, she was on within, Richard Vobes today to Oh, wow. I do like Richard. Yeah. I do. And I'm in this group chat with these girls and well, women, and they post stuff every day. And I don't really watch a lot of it because it's too upsetting. You know? You know it goes on. And a couple of them are about to be like, I need a couple of days break because this is, you know So I I almost feel like I've been put into this and it's not I don't know enough about it. You know? So, anyway, I'm learning, but it's it seems to be absolutely rife, and it's one of those things that people aren't looking into.
Well, they're not not looking into, but they don't realize what's going on, you know, with abuse and rape and things like that.
[01:50:59] Unknown:
It's it's harrowing, really. And and who's turning a blind eye to it all? Oh, star, man. And, yeah, but who's turning a blind and and who one who's was it one of his MPs got collared for trying to solicit a 15 year old boy a few weeks back, and the BBC didn't touch it?
[01:51:17] Unknown:
Yeah. Is that right? I think so. Yeah.
[01:51:20] Unknown:
So yeah. Is is that on news, BBC? Of course, it's not. It doesn't doesn't cover their bullshit agenda. You know? So it's it's such a shame that so many people every day go home and they're just sucked into it because they just wanna relax. And they will go, oh, look at the state of the world. I'm gonna have an opinion on that. Yeah. Yeah. And the guy that comes to work with me, he's probably gonna have a different opinion. So we can argue about it all day and get nowhere. Nowhere. You know? As soon as you start engaging in that system, as soon as you start engaging in that system of train of thought, Like I said earlier, with the, did Starmer break the lockdown rules? Well, they were bullshit anyway. Who gives a toss if he broke them?
You know? He was only doing what everyone else was doing, but, you know, he was supposed to be above it all. Weren't we all? Weren't we all supposed to be noble citizens and above it all? Well, some of them sadly were. And they were the ones that would happily phone up local constabulary to say, so and so is breaking lockdown rules. You know? But that's all part of the protocols. When you look through the protocols of the elders of Zion, I I should be able to pull it down, but I can pretty much repeat it verbatim. And that is, under our system, one third will keep an eye on the other two thirds of the populace out of a sense of duty to the state.
[01:52:48] Unknown:
We'll all be spies.
[01:52:51] Unknown:
We'll all be spies. Of duty to the state, though. And and that's all those poor people that get sucked into elections and think, well, I'm gonna vote really hard this year and and try and get, you know, conservative back in or UKIP or whoever it may be. Reform. Oh, yeah. Let's go reform. Another lot of nonsense. Don't get me. So, well, I'll have a roundabout reform next week, I reckon. Yeah. I'm sorry to any reformers out there. It's it's not about reform. It's about inform. Yeah? Did you That's that's that's my that's gonna be the title of the rant next week. Okay? It's not about reform. It's about inform. Okay. You know, until until these people are telling you what the actual problem is, they're part of the problem.
[01:53:40] Unknown:
Okay. Well, I look forward to it, Maleficus. Yes. I will. I'll have my xylophone out at the ready.
[01:53:47] Unknown:
Oh, good. I've got a good ghost story for you next week as well. Good. Good. I have. Good. Good. So have have you got anyone lined up for next week's show? It's another surprise. It is a surprise? Oh, I'm I I like this surprise. Well, this week's surprise was excellent. Thank you. I have to say. So that was that was really good. Yeah. I like I said, I tuned into most of that. So Yeah. She's a wonderful woman.
[01:54:11] Unknown:
So Yeah. No. I'm just, plodding on. We've got this March going on, and I'm organizing speakers, and there's gonna be a big, big farmer rally on Monday. I've declined. I'm like, no. I can't cope with it. I can't cope leaving at 03:00 in the early hours of Sunday morning, getting back at Tuesday night. No. I said, no, Jo. I'm not doing it. But they reckon there's gonna be a thousand devoted that lady. She is very devoted.
[01:54:41] Unknown:
She's devoted, that lady. I do admire her her pluck.
[01:54:44] Unknown:
So that's something that people probably won't see much of on the news because, interestingly, last weekend, last Saturday, there was, did you hear about the big, riot in London? Well, not a riot. Big rally for pro Tommy Robinson? No. I didn't. Oh, there's, like, six 60,000 no. Sick well, you didn't wouldn't have seen it on the TV neither. I've just seen it flash up on Facebook and Twitter. Oh, sorry. X. But, yeah, there was some 60,000 people there to, like, free Tommy Robinson and stuff like that. But, interestingly, David Curtin did, like, a little real on why he's glad he didn't go because he said at the start of the march, you've got the English flag, and then you've got the Palestinian flag.
What's this all about at the front of a march?
[01:55:32] Unknown:
As as your as your other friend, who who used to come on the show every so often, would say, what is another flag doing in our country? Yes. Yes. What is another flag doing in our country? What the what the what the flipping hell do flags mean if they don't stay in their own country?
[01:55:52] Unknown:
Yep. What do they mean? What's it doing here? It shouldn't be fine here. Exactly. And people get straight away that go to that march to think I'm here to support Tommy Robinson, and they can see the Palestinian flag and stuff like that. And then they make everybody look like it's all about
[01:56:06] Unknown:
a racist And then and then and then Tommy Robinson, all pro Palestinian, and then tells you he's a Zionist. So what gives? All these these all these people that turn up at these rallies are so flipping confused. It's ridiculous. Oh my god. Really? Look, Shelley, I I sent you a a tune titled Charlie and his Orchestra. Can you play us out with that one? That would be really good. Because I think it would be very pertinent with the sub most of the subject matter this evening. I should be able to do that Maleficus. That's Should.
Let me It's above the other chat. Yeah. I know where you've
[01:56:43] Unknown:
put it. Maleficus.
[01:56:44] Unknown:
Clip. Just don't touch anything while it's playing. We should be good.
[01:56:49] Unknown:
I can't even get into our chat now. Chats, Maleficus. All I can see is me and you. Crikey. Oh, hang on. It's down at the bottom. There's a little speech bubble with two lines on it. Yeah. I found that. Oh. Oh, found it. Right.
[01:57:06] Unknown:
There we go. I'm sure I'm becoming a first person. Play us out on that one, and you will you'll you'll this is How long is it for the speakers?
[01:57:13] Unknown:
About two, three minutes tops. Right. Well, shall I put it on now? Put it on now. Thanks for having me back on. Nice to see you, Shannon. Thank you for coming. It wouldn't be the same. Right. Alright, mister Scott. Be back with you next week and ready for your rant. Have a good week, Leslie. Forward to it. Take care. Looking forward to
[01:57:42] Unknown:
Done it again.
[01:57:44] Unknown:
Done it again, ain't you? Do you know what I just did? I closed the window so I could see your face.
[01:57:50] Unknown:
Right. I'm playing it. Just I'll be doing Stop.
[01:58:14] Unknown:
A Negro from the London Ducks sings the blackout blues. I hate to see the evening sun go down. Hate to see the evening sun go down. Calls the German he done from this town. Feeling tomorrow like I feel today. Feeling tomorrow and things. Pulled forks round by his apron string. One for Churchill and his bloody war. I wouldn't feel yet, so dug on sore. Got the blackout blue. Yeah. Blue as hard can be. Duck
[02:00:59] Unknown:
17
Introduction and Guest Introduction
Debbie Hicks' Activism Journey
Realisation of the COVID-19 Scam
Initial Protests and Challenges
Hospital Investigation and Arrest
Media Backlash and Viral Moment
Political Campaigning and Challenges
Cashless Society and Economic Concerns
Public Transport and Local Economies
Taking a Break from Activism
Resurgence News and Future Plans
Discussion on Current Events and Media
Reflections on War and History
Upcoming Events and Final Thoughts
