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Broadcasts live every Wednesday at 7:00p.m. uk time on Radio Soapbox: http://radiosoapbox.com

In this lively midweek episode of the Shelley Tasker Show, I’m joined by my co-host Mr Scott for a candid catch‑up on slowing life down, everyday mishaps, homeschooling wins, and the uneasy state of news and media trust. We weave from Lego-on-the-floor peril and DIY wallpaper triumphs to reflections on independent media, censorship, and why so many feel powerless. I also welcome activist Debbie Hicks, who delivers a compelling warning about digital ID and its potential role in enabling conscription and wider social control. Debbie connects government plans, the National Security Strategy, and timelines for digital ID rollout with the risk of war footing, arguing that resistance must start now through outreach, non-compliance, and community action.

We discuss how tech normalisation (phones, apps, facial recognition) feeds a broader control grid, the realities of homeschooling and school bullying, and why marches, petitions and street-level conversations still matter. Plus: why “mobile phones” are the sleeper issue, the illusion of choice in news, and the enduring importance of cash. A thoughtful, spirited conversation with practical takeaways—and a clear call to stay alert, get informed, and get involved.

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We had   Good evening. You are listening to the Shelley Tasker Show. Streaming live via radiosoapbox.com.   Good evening folks. Yeah. We've got a good show for you tonight. Be awesome. What do you reckon? Debbie Hicks will be joining us at some point this evening about half past seven, so it's gonna be a lively conversation.  

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Finally got peace in The Middle East. Wow. Been waiting a few hundred years for that.  

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Maybe Tommy Robinson's visit to Israel helped with this peace Maleficos.  

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Maybe it did.   And Cornwall Council selling off houses meant for the homeless.   How about that? Naughty naughty.  

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Oh, dear.   And a pro Palestine council tax rebel remains defiant in true magistrate's court.  

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Oh, I heard about that.   And global warming, global warming, global warming,   two degrees centigrade rise by 2050.  

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We are also being aired on Clear Air FM,   the sound of freedom.   Worth looking at.  

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And it's official.   To work in The UK, you're gonna have to understand English, apparently.  

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I love that last bit. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.   All the listeners, the wonderful mister Scott you were listening to, the Shelley Tasker Show coming live from radiosoapbox.com.   It's good to have your company.   As mentioned, we are also being aired on radio   Clear FM, Sound Freedom.   It is Wednesday, 10/15/2025.   Happy hump day. It's gotta be said.   How are you doing, mister Scott?  

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Again, I'm gonna I know I say every week, but I can't believe it's been a week since the last show.   Yeah. No. The the world is rotating very, very quickly.   But for me, yeah. No. It's it's normal slow life here in Cornwall. So it's yeah. It's been a pretty pleasant week, I would say, weather wise for me,   working outdoors as I do. And I've oh, I've accomplished lots in the last week. I've   I've dredged a lagoon.   What else have I done?  

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What is dredge?   Sorry.  

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That's getting all the horrible muddy silty stuff   out of the bottom and moving it. Yeah. I had to redirect the water and and, you know, and, yeah, get my wellies on and and get get really mucky.  

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Every gardener's dream.  

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Oh, yeah. Yep. Happy as a pig in,   yeah. Can't remember the rest of the phrase.  

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In muck. In muck is the polite phrase.  

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Yes. That's the one. That's the one.   How about yourself? What have you been up to?  

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Well, the last couple of days, I've just tried slowing it at slowing it all down a bit. It's been a bit mental. You know, I said to you the other day, we've been saying about how life is literally   going too quick. I think it got to Monday night here, and I was literally,   I had to go to bed at, like, half seven   with a glass of wine and just watch some crap TV because my brain has just been   on over score. You know? Just always thinking about what's next, but to the point, I make myself feel sick. It's like I've just walked too fast. I talk too fast. I think too fast. Everything   just got too fast. And Monday night, it was like, I don't wanna speak to anybody.  

So the last couple of days, I'm just being really conscious   of talking slowly,   walking slowly, and just be trying to be a bit slower, Maleficast, to be fair. Well, you know, it's a good thing.  

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It is a good thing because, what what were we saying last week about making the time for things?   Yes. And if you if you if everything's going too quick,   this is that old phrase about life, you know, life is what occurs when you're busy making plans, you know, like we said last week. But,   yeah, it's if everything goes too quick, you just you just feel the pressure, and you don't want to do anything. You almost dig your heels in, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, even though, like, I've had relaxing  

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days   and, you know, you've been out for lunch, but you've been and done that, blah blah, but you've always gotta be somewhere and do something.   And Friday, when I picked Piran up from school, well, I just fell asleep on the couch. I don't do that.   Never do that. I haven't done that for ages.  

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So, I used to love a good nana nap in the afternoon Yeah. Yeah. When I finished work, but I don't do it much anymore. Don't you? Well, I did. But I was just exhausted, and the Internet went down as well. And,  

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he was all about That's it. That's the end of the world then. I'm going to bed. Me. It was for Perrin because, like, he was just waiting for his game time, and he said, I suppose we could play a board game, mom. And I was like, oh, no. No, Perrin. I said, I just need to not speak to anybody for half an hour. Okay?  

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Oh, bless him. Bless him. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Oh. So he's happily playing with the Lego, and do you know what? We survived a whole two hours   without the Internet.  

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Well, that's that's good. That's good. And and you know what? Lego, it's very similar to, Minecraft, so I'm sure he was sure he was All I could hear was the crunching  

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of the Lego, but I think that's quite   nostalgic sound as well. You know? It's the rustle of Lego. The worst sound with Lego is when you hear it all I remember my eldest son, he would get the massive   like, it was a massive tub and just tip it all out, and you're like, oh, here we go. And you seem to be like, chuck it all in a blanket, and then we it's easier to put back, but that sound on a wooden floor.   And then stepping on it, Lego does come with its,  

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cons, I'm afraid. Have you stood on a Lego brick? I've stood on many Lego bricks. Yeah. The LEGO bricks are almost worse than three pin plugs. So you guys over in The States won't appreciate this, but over here in The UK,   we had the brains to make three pin plugs   and make the back of them flat. So when they fall on the floor, they automatically   fall with the pins pointing upwards, and that is probably in bare feet. It's got to be one of the most excruciating   things to tread on in the house, I reckon.   Ouch. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I've been quite clumsy lately, though. A round back on them. Why have they got flat backs? Why don't you put a round back on them and then they won't fall with the pins for like, facing upwards? Do you know what I mean? It's just simple.  



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But how many injuries? You know? Yeah. I can't stand the thought of stepping on anything. And when Piran went to school camp, I don't know, a few months ago now,   I had to stitch up his   sleeping bag. And I was sat there doing it, and I don't know what happened, but I dropped the needle.   Crikey. Oh, no. I'll tell you what. I spent an hour and a half   looking for this needle,   and we've got, like, these rugs that are all, like, ruffled and stuff. I've got the hoover out with a sock on the end and or, anyway, I was there for ages. And then Darren said, I bet it's in the sleeping bag.   He got the sleeping bag, and he was padding through it. And then you hear, ow, and it wasn't the sleeping bag. Because I was like, I'll send him to this cool camp with a bloody needle stuck in his sleeping bag. Can I? Not really.  



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No. No. Yeah. But I mean yeah. I mean, I was about to say, good old Daz, he's always got, like, you know, he's always got such a calm sort of collected way of looking at things, and he's, let's face it, Shelley, he's normally right.  

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Yeah. He is. Big needles. And I mean, I still I don't know what it is about needles. I think they're just so small. And about a month ago, I had to sew a hem on his trousers.   And, I dropped the needle again, and I was like, oh, not again. Not again. And I was looking everywhere.   And I've got down on the floor, and it was just sticking upright in the rug. I thought, imagine if you didn't see that and you just walked straight on  

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that. Yeah. So Well, yeah, it would it would it would not be forgiving. It would not be forgiving. Let's put it that way. No. I mean, yeah, I mean, one of the best things you can do, because, I mean, another thing, obviously, a hazard, if you're a guitarist,   another hazard is when you change your guitar strings. And, yeah, I've snipped  

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done that. That's what my oldest son is born, Darren.  

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Oh, okay. Well Anyway, carry on. Yeah. When you when you change your guitar strings, you have to snip the ends off. And if you lose one of the ends, particularly the e string, which is really you know, they they they're really they're like hypodermic needles.   You know, and they're lethal to, like, come across with your foot or something because there's always like a hooked end or something. And it's just do you know what I mean?  

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But one of the best things I found is a magnet. Just sweep a magnet over the carpet after you're done, and you'll find it. Yeah. There you go. So there's my top tip of the week. There's danger in everything, really, isn't there? There is. Sometimes sometimes you can just be apps I mean, I was carrying my daughter down the other day through the into the kitchen, and I whacked her head on the doorframe, my granddaughter.  

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And I was like, oh my god. I'm so careless.  

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And I'm always just banging into doors and door handles. I've I've just a klutz to be fair. Yeah. But what's life without a little bit of danger? Oh, we'd all be boring if we all if we were all look. If put it this way, if we were all sat around and the government looked after all our needs so that we didn't have to leave our 15 by 15 house other than for a twenty minute walk once a day, what would be left in life? Yes. You'd be nice and safe.  

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But No. You know what we need, don't we? We need our own. Everybody should create their own health and safety notice at home. It should be part of your buildings and contents insurance.  

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And I I've often thought, though, if people did a health and safety You can't say that, Shelley, because you know what would happen. You know, you'd you'd you'd, I don't know, you'd drop your microwave down the toilet or something by accident, and you try and claim on the insurance, and they're like, well, did you have a risk assessment?  

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And then I think Sorry. We can't pay out.   A stupid agreement. Yeah. Because some well, so much of it is just stupid. When I was doing work experience, I mean, I couldn't tolerate it. I mean, I had a girl come and do work experience several years ago when I had my studio in the high street, and I had to sit down and go through fire regulations.   Like, right. What do you do if there's a fire? And she looked at me, and I went, just run. Okay? Just run.   Just, you know, it's one room downstairs.   Yeah. I probably wouldn't be the best all these health and safety of I just think it's a bit over the top, isn't it? Over the top. Well,  

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yeah. It's like the Steve Hughes sketch. I've I've played a bit of Steve Hughes,   before,   about the,   oh, about, you know, basically being offended and how you can be offended, and nothing will happen. Don't worry. You know?   But before he did that, he also did a sketch   on health and safety,   which, you know, I it's I I'll dig it out, and I'll play it on the show next week because it's it's a great skit. It's a great sketch. Yeah. Yeah.   It is crazy. It is great. By the way, I've just had a message. We are actually also going out on holylandradio.com.  

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So Yes. I saw that. Go, Patrick.  

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Go, Patrick. Thank you very much, sir. That's, much appreciated.   Yeah. And anyone that hasn't, get get over to anyone that hasn't, give it a go. Holylandradio.com,   he's always got some interesting things and and lots of music and, yeah, all sorts of stuff. So  

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yeah. There's a lot of stuff out there everywhere, isn't it? But sometimes, though, I sit down and think I'll do a bit of work, and I think, what should I listen to? Okay. You're really like all the choice out there. You just can't find anything to listen to. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I know. I know. But I mean, it's well, yeah. It's  

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it's   I spent years and years and years in listening. You know, when I started getting into radio, I spent all my spare moments.   Well, even when I was playing games and stuff in the evening, I'd have, like, a podcast on in the ears or or or something, you know.   And it's very   you know, you could once you've done that, you can never go back to mainstream media. You just can't do it. It just it just it doesn't float any boats at all because, you know, it's all just a load of nonsense.   Yeah. Yeah. There was a there was an article actually this week from The Guardian that I stumbled across. I don't subscribe to The Guardian, so I can't really I mean, I could read the whole article, but yeah.   But it's just I thought this was really funny. Right? So this is, you know, how we always say about, you know, the best way to beat the opposition is to become the opposition and all that sort of thing. So there's a thing here from The Guardian, right, saying   GB News viewers are more likely to wrongly believe that net migration to The UK is rising. Study   finds. Right? And you're just like you sat there thinking, well, you know, you've got   one side of the argument here and supposedly another side of the argument, which would be GB News and obviously The Guardian's calling them out. And then you realize that, you know, all these companies   I mean, all these newspapers now, they're not selling   newspapers so much. Most of it's online. Most people look at it on their phone.  

Yeah. And,   you   know, so none of these people are really making that much money anymore. They can't be, not like they used to be.   And, you know, as I said, gosh, going back a year at least, GB News was 56,000,000   in debt, and and it's still going a year later. I mean, Angie worked that one out. You know? So, obviously, it's all bought and paid for. And so so once you've been listening to all these,   independent podcasts and stuff, it's very, very difficult   to actually even find the the the stomach   to go back and look through these sort of, like, you know, what they're trying to forecast for the general public   articles and stuff. It's just you know, it's it's quite sickening, isn't it, really?  



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Oh, it is. Yeah. As we were discussing last week about news, you know, your sources, what's reliable, what's not, what holds a good debate from both sides.   It's,   and there's so much they reckon that 80%   of it is false that goes around, and I am so cautious these days of what I repost and stuff.  

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Yeah.  

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And you've got to be, unfortunately. Because, yeah, because there's people out there, as we said last week, specifically   out there   to muddy the waters.   And they're getting paid to do it.   You know? Let's let's find a crazy tangent on this one and spin it and see how many clicks we get. You know?   And by the way, let's let's have, like, merchandise at the side so you can order yourself a mug or you can order yourself a a a bumper sticker or something.  

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I I was thinking that, though, the other day. Interesting. Because, you know, lots of these independent   news ones, they do have, like, a bit of merch.   And,   I've been known to purchase the odd bit of merch after having a couple of drinks on a Friday night. But I was at the gym last week, and I've got this t shirt, and it says on it, let Cornwall live. And it was part of when Piers Corbin started the group Let London Live, but it, like, outreached to all different places. And there was about two or three people that stopped me in the street, older people. Oh, what's your t shirt all about? And it just started the conversation. And I thought, do you know what? Lots of these radio stations and stuff, I could, like not that I go to the gym every day, but I could wear a little different one every day because people do ask, oh, what's that about?  

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You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I used to get a lot of questions actually. Right? Because when we first reprinted the book, we we did a small run of t shirts as well for hidden government.   Yes. You think you used to t shirt? Yeah. I used to have a t shirt with the hidden government logo and everything on it. And, of course, it's got, you know, it's the design well, if you haven't seen the design, go go on to,   candor.org   or Amazon and just search for hidden government book.   You'll see the design. It looks quite good on a black t shirt. And I I had quite a lot of people sort of saying, I know who the give hidden government is and all this kind of thing. You know? I had one guy come up and tell me it was Tony Blair.   You know?  

And this was in 2017   long after he'd left office. Do you know what I mean? So it's just like  

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Well, everybody's got an idea of what's going like, who is the hidden government, aren't they? And there seems to be a lot of chat lately about what you thought this is on mainstream because I do listen to quite a bit of radio too. I do like the debates that they have on there. Even though even though they're all bought and paid for debates. Oh, actually, I didn't know some of them lately. I was well into one on Friday. It was about Donald Trump getting this whole Nobel Peace Prize, and this woman saying, yes. Yes. He deserves it. And this man's going on, are you mad? After after he's, like, been the one buying and supplying all the armed weapons and stuff, she was like, yeah. But he's made it happen.   And Yeah. Yeah.  

It was a good day, actually. And sometimes I love it when they kind of fall out and one of them will just hang up. It's quite quite interesting.  

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I remember there was one guy managed to call into,   is it Steve Wright in the afternoon?   Used to be. Is it not Steve Wright? Or whoever it was. Some guy who comes on at, 12:00   until two or 02:00 till four, whatever it was.   And,   oh, he's that annoying guy that rides his bike to work. It's not Steve. Jeremy Vine. Jeremy Vine. That's the one. Jeremy Vine. I remember some guy lying to the to the,   to the show   to actually get on air, and he lied about his motives for getting on and then actually just aired his views about the COVID vaccine. Oh, yeah. I remember that one. Yeah. Brilliant. Yeah. People that come up with these ideas, I think is brilliant. Yeah. And it was so funny because I remember him saying, so you actually lied wait a minute. He said, you lied to my researcher   to get on, and the guy went, yeah. Because I knew you wouldn't let me on otherwise.  



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Yeah. Yeah. And that's what everybody does say to him. But I do think, like, listening to him as time has gone by, I think he's getting a little bit fairer.   COVID absolutely not. They were all bought and paid for in COVID, and they all used to make me feel absolutely   sick.  

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But I do like I'm sorry if you work for the BBC   as far as I'm concerned, and I don't mean in any seedy way   necessarily.   I just think that if you work for the BBC,   you're already compromised.  

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Well, you gotta be careful what you say. Most definitely.  

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No. I mean, you're already compromised in the respect that you're working for the one of the biggest propaganda engines there is in this country. And as you know, and as as they will have to freely admit if ever it came up in court,   they put out a whole load of information.   It'll never come up in court. Of course, it won't, but they put out a whole load of information during COVID   that wasn't strictly true and hadn't actually been researched.  

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Mhmm.  

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So,  

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you know, that's that's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. And if anyone wants to say otherwise, you know Just like the music shows, you know, you got your tea time DJ. They just play music. They're not there for any political   agenda.   They're there for two hours for, you know, just for entertainment purposes. I am sorry. I do listen to a bit of radio too. I'm sorry, but I like it. I like it. Alright. It's fine. You you just enjoy your cheesy chart music. You you you go Chart. It's radio too. It's old stuff and and a few modern things. But, yeah, I do like radio in the background.   Yeah. I tend to listen to alternative stuff in the evening.  

But, yeah, anyway, that's my Yeah.  

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Oh, I used to listen to an awful lot of it at work, but I you know, if I've you know, predominantly now, if I if I work with my other half, we we just chat. So, you know, I I suppose  

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Oh, a bit more to your love story. I love your little love story of you two working together, getting wet in the rain.   Yeah.  

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Getting wet dredging a lake as well. Yeah. Yeah. It just sounds so romantic.   Yeah. It is. Yeah. Covered in mud, just, you know, slicing them out. Drollicking, splashing each other.   If I splashed her, mate, she'd punch me out, I'm sure. Do you take a flask with you? No.  

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What? What do you do for a hot drink?  

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See, that's the thing. She doesn't do hot drinks. I do, but she doesn't.   Oh, okay. So I don't I don't bother with a hot drink. You know what? I normally drink when I'm at work   is   tonic water.   Oh, okay. But not the rubbish, like, stuff. I was gonna give a brand name then, but not the rubbish stuff. The stuff that's begin with a Shura.   Not the   sh that they normally   sell on the shelves. That you you can you not the shoes they normally shell on the shelves, but you can you can make you can make your own,   assumptions about that. No. I like the ones that are made with raw cane sugar,   spring water, and quinine, and that's about it. You know?  

And, mate, I could live off that stuff if it had a bit more sugar in it, I guess, and a bit more protein. But,   no. I love that stuff. So I if I drink at work, it's normally tonic water without the gin.  

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Very classy. Very classy. But I'm sorry. You've shattered my illusion now with you and Shar under a tree, sheltering from the rain,   sharing a cup of tea,   the steam warm in your hands.   Oh, anyway. Sorry.   You make it sound so romantic. Oh, I bet it is. I bet it is.   I couldn't imagine anything worse than working with Darren. Crikey.   He's very slow.   He's very slow, and I've had to say Yeah. But he's methodical, and he's the one that sought to look in the blooming sleeping bag for the needle that he dropped. I know. He he is an angel, but I say to him I have to laugh because, like, obviously, it's Wednesday. I have my granddaughter, and we always ring the ring doorbell   for a chat when we get in, and she's gotta speak to Darren through it. And then we he didn't pick up today. And then he messaged two minutes later, and he said, sorry. I was a bit slow to get there. And I was like, you didn't even have to answer the door. You weren't in the house. You just had to pick it up on your phone.  

But he is yeah. He's myth mythological.   Yeah. I wanted him to wallpaper our bedroom wall on the weekend, and I said on Friday night because he always says to me, is there anything you'd like me to do while I'm at when you're at work tomorrow? And usually, I say no, babe. Just chill.   Anyway, I said, actually, I'd like you to wallpaper that wall. And I could tell he didn't wanna do it because he's like, wow. It needs sand in it. No. It doesn't. Just stick it up there. Alright? Doesn't need   to be the whole wall needs to be knocked down and everything like that. Just do it. And I got home at 04:00,   and I was quite snarky because I I didn't act it, but he hadn't he'd drawn all the bits on the walls of where to lay it.  

And I get it, though, because when he started   putting it up in the evening,   it all went like clockwork because he'd drawn out everything and, you know, it was all in place. So much to the point, but we needed the other role. And he was like, oh, I think I better go to B and Q because this is a different batch number. And I'm like, what do you mean batch number? So he explained to me that they've got to be really the same batch. So he drove to B and Q. They didn't have it. He said, I guess I'm gonna have to drive to Penryn tomorrow. I said, just phone them up.   Anyway, they wouldn't have had that batch because there's different batches. How are you gonna find that one batch? And that's a lesson for everybody. If you're picking up wallpaper,   check the batch number and try to get the same.  

Anyway, lo and behold, it looks fine, and I chuffed a bit.   Well done, Darren. You might have been slow, but you got the job done.  

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Yeah. Bless him. And doesn't he always? Doesn't he always? He does. He does. Always. Bless him. Yeah. No. I mean, my,   yeah, I'm gonna shatter your illusions a bit more now, actually, because, like, my my missus would love me to be far more proactive around the house.   You know? If there's painting to be done, she normally does it.   Because I just you know?   It it does her head in more than it does mine in if there's a mark or something on the wall.   And she yeah. So she'll do it   because she'll know if she asked me to do it that I just sort of don't see as much importance in it as her. So it it gets relegated to the sort of lower end of the list of to do things. So then she I just threatened to do it, and that's enough to make him do it because he'd rather do it perfectly than just chuck it up on a wall. Oh, see that's that's see, if Shah threatened to do it, I'd just be like, oh, is that what you're doing today? Is it?  

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Oh, dear. Oh, dear. Yeah.  

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Oh, do  

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Yeah. Anyway, we are coming to the bottom of the hour, mister Scott, and our guest will be with us in a couple of minutes. So are you gonna play a tune?  

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I'll play a tune. I've got a very apt tune, actually, for for both you and your guest.   But,   no. That's it's it's been a good I have to say, it's been a good week, Shelley. It's not been a bad week for me at all. So I It's not been bad here, and even it's been now slowing down.   Slowing down. Yeah. You know what?   Just quickly,   someone I spoke to said a friend of hers lived in Bangkok, and she said, how how do you cope with, like, five lanes of traffic and it all being jammed and blah blah blah. And he said, you know what? He said,   if there's too much traffic and I can't get somewhere, he said, it's just the world telling me to slow down. Yeah. Good point. Good point.  

Yeah.   Anyway,   you are listening live, folks, to radiosoapbox.com,   Holy Land Radio, and Radio Free Air, I believe. But, obviously, not live on Radio Free Air. We are prerecorded,   folks, so don't send in your questions and expect an instant answer.   Yeah. So we've come to the bottom of the hour. So I'm gonna play this little tune, for Shelley and our guests that's coming up. So, here we go. This is Monkey Boy Six.   See you in a second.  

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Every day I'm mortified   by the cards in my country.   And every day they fail to prove parts I make are wrong.   They have their thinking done for them by some propaganda   mouthpiece.   And they'll slander those of us who saw the nonsense   all along.   They present their kids to farm my scum on great big shiny platters.   Watch women's faces   compromised   by mental   bearded creeps. Come near my wife for children, and your jaw might just get shattered.   Start swimming away, or we'll all be dragged under by the sheep.   Being   nice. The most evil folk on Earth have played their hard.   Fight these maniacs   in any way you can.  

Hit their faces under masks since mid June twenty twenty.   And in 2021,   they queued like lab rats for their jobs.   A three year's time, they've disregarded   evidence of plenty.   May act surprised, though, when it's mentioned in a few WhatsApps.   But there, they try make little of of our lives being dismantled,   or argue at the time that it was somewhat justified.   Because the truth is scarier   than many minds can handle.   They'd rather scale a dime to politicians   telling   lies.   Tell your daughters   and sons to question why the world is rung   by a tiny group of   world, sanitized   and distanced. Then they masked them up and hid them.  

What we did, we did for them, for every boy and girl.  

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Monkey Boy Sings.  

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Welcome back to part well,   part two out of four.   Right.   I have to give a massive,   introduction, really, to Debbie. Is she there? Because you're in control of the show. Oh, she is here. Yes. So do you want to give your introduction   first? Or do you want to give her introduction first? Well, actually, let her let her in so she can hear what I say. Well, she can she can hear you anyway.  

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I'll I'll let her I'll let her in so she can dispute anything that you might say.  

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I've only got good things to say about Debbie. Debbie Hicks is an awesome activist. Some of you may remember her video recordings from the COVID era when she exposed the empty hospitals in Gloucester.   She's been, well, active ever since with her,   say oh, I've put it all written down here, and I know it anyway, but this is my menopausal brain.   The keep it cash campaign, and currently,   she's fighting hard campaigning about saying no to ID.   And no to war conscription.   So welcome to the show, miss Debbie Hicks.  

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Hi, Shelley. How are you? You okay? Good. Thank you. How are you?   Yeah. Not so bad. Yeah. I've just we've just put off underfloor heating on tonight because it's getting cold, doesn't it? So it's, don't know what it's like down there in in Cornwall.   But yeah. The heating is on. It's definitely on. Yeah. Got my feet nice and warm. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good.  

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Good evening, Debbie. It's it's nice to hear your voice, darling. I've I've heard you a few times on Shelley's show.   Oh, hello. My my heating is not on, I have to say. Oh. I've I've I've just put the jumper on. Are you talking? What do you mean? No. I just I I no. I I'm just not cold.  

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Okay. I put a jumper on. Strict, aren't they? They're like, the heating doesn't go on until the November 1, and I'm like, oh my heat is on in August.  

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Yeah. I'm a bit early. We're a bit early, but we've got this, and my husband put this underfloor heating in, and it actually works out a lot cheaper than having   other forms of heating.   So,   but yeah. So and it's, you know, it's the old Roman way of of heating, isn't it? And I think it works. So Oh, is it? I didn't know that.   Yeah. I think so. That's why I understand. That's how they used to heat buildings, wasn't it? Was,  

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water underneath the pipes under the floor. Yeah. Yeah. Hot water from pumped from the baths. Yeah.  

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Yeah. That's right. Yeah. That's alright. That is interesting.  

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Well, anyway.  

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Same thing. It makes sense to heat a building from the   floor up to the floor. Surely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course.  

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Anyway,   onwards. Now we've discussed weather. No. That's okay. Weather and heating. It's all, yeah, it's all narrow. Can't even say the word. Anyway, Debbie,   tell us about what you're up to, my lovely. Because I know you're working hard out there doing your campaigning. You're out on the streets   doing your bit. And, I mean, you've been saying all about this since 2020, really, haven't you? About the digital ID was coming?  

[00:36:43] Unknown:

Yeah. It's something I've always felt very very strongly about, Shelley, is, the digitalization   of our our world, really,   and obviously as a as a means to take all our rights away which is why I'm so concerned about it. And as you know after, as you said at the beginning, you know becoming infamous,   you know, for all the wrong reasons at the time, although I think people are seeing it differently now after the the COVID inquiry   this week. I think it's all kind of, you know, as it does eventually things have come out and people can see that they were lied to, but, obviously I was infamous   for filming that hospital, that very empty   hospital in Gloucester   on the  

[00:37:24] Unknown:

December 27, I think it was. I'm trying to remember now. It's all Yeah. I can see that that video still goes round still goes round. It does. Yeah. My dad shared it on his feed, and I was like, oh, that's my friend Debbie. Yeah.  

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Yeah. I think they were to be fair, I think a lot of people,   were filming hospitals, and I think my video,   because it became so famous, I think it helped other people thought go go to their hospitals and film.   But I think the reason it was shared so much is because obviously I was arrested in quite a horrible way and, I think that's fine. Yeah. And my dressing gown, yeah, there's got a big hole in it now. I've still got it, but  

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Oh, you've got to save that one. My goodness.  

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But, yeah, so You'll be able to auction it you'll be able to auction it off in years to come. Yeah. Well, I don't know if anyone would want that old thing. But,   I know it's it's funny you mentioned the COVID inquiry that's just occurred,   and and loads of stuff's come out. But isn't it funny there's nobody left in government that is accountable?   Isn't that funny?  

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No. That's that's a very good point. These people,   it's like everything, isn't it? You know, when the truth finally comes out, it's a point when things have moved on, that the media's focused on different things, and no one can be held to account. And I think that's always how they play it with all these things. And it's, yeah, it's   it's frustrating to think that's that's been put out in the news. And people like myself,   our lives have been ruined   in lots of different ways. You know? I've I've lost privileges,   and these people are   have got away with it.  

And,  

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yeah. Absolutely. I was kicked out of my job for refusing to have a jab.   So it's, yeah, it's just it's, you   know, it's part of the course. So I had my you know, you you're gonna be talking about you you were talking about the digital ID and everything coming up. And I I said to my   dad about it. I said, you know what? Dad, what do you think about this digital ID? He said, oh, yes. It's it's very Orwellian. You know, very 1984.   And I said,   you know, I've been talking about this coming in for years, you know, and it just frustrates me that nobody   wants to even bat an eyelid. Like, unlike the song said in in the break there, you know,   all the people that were sort of   shouting out about the COVID thing at the time were all labeled as lunatics.  

You know,   I don't know. Like I said to dad, I I said, you know,   all this stuff, what I've been talking about for so long, it's so frustrating   to see it all playing out exactly the way you thought it was gonna play out. And, you know, he said to me, he said, well, I'm glad it's happening at the end of my lifetime. I said, well, thanks for that, dad.  

[00:40:07] Unknown:

Oh, gosh. Yeah. No. My, sadly, my mom seems to think like that now.   And I can kind of understand it. You know, she's in her mid eighties, and she's had a a life, and she's kind of had enough of fighting   because she was always,   that's where a lot of my politics comes from, always a feisty,   you know, woman that would make a stand. But even she says things like that to me now, like, well, I think she even said something one day, like, well, I'm not gonna have to live with it. And I and I was quite shocked, and I said, well, what about your grandson?   So it's, it's yeah.  

It's it's interesting, isn't it? I I suppose when when we get into our eighties, I suppose all we're all we're gonna wanna do is put our feet up with us, the slippers on  

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and Yeah. I mean, the whole thing's tiring now. Let's face it.  

[00:40:54] Unknown:

Yeah. Exactly. Well, it is. That's the thing, and it's it's been really hard for me because, as Shelly said, you know, I've been campaigning a long time and, actually, pre COVID pre I hate using that word pre COVID, pre lockdown.   I was always an activist on all sorts of things,   And it does get hard because you do get tired.   And I hate to say it, I think you get tired, if I may say so, of human beings and the way they are sometimes.   Because as much as I'd like to see the good in human beings, I think when you're   faced with,   which if you're an activist you do get a lot of abuse you really do in lots of different ways and I think it it can wear you down sometimes   because you're obviously   you know there's days when you think well why am I why am I doing this You know, why do I do it?  



[00:41:41] Unknown:

It's tiring. It's a very lonely journey as well because of the you know, obviously, if you've stepped outside the box, it's, you know, there's a lot of people who just don't want to know because they they're too lazy. Let's be honest. Let be re being really honest, and this is why it frustrates me so much,   is that people are too   lazy and caught up in their own lives to want to have to think about it.  

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Yeah. Yeah. That's very that's very true. And as I said, you know, talking about getting older and understanding why people feel the way they do when they get older, and I understand that.   But also, as you said,   I think culturally   and I don't think people are necessarily stupid. I think sometimes we can easily say that when we're we're awake, how people are stupid. But I I'm not even sure it's that sometimes. I think it's this kind of   deterministic   view. Well, it's all kind of it's all set up as an it's all   arranged. It's all gonna happen. So what can I do? I feel powerless. I think it's more a sense of that with people. So they think, what the hell? If I'm not gonna have much of a life in the future, I'm gonna sit and watch my Netflix.  

I'm gonna go on my holiday.   I I I think it's that. I think people block it out and,  

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feel they're powerless. I think that's what it is. I think helplessness. I think helplessness is definitely part of it, and I think helplessness is instilled in people.   But with an attitude like that, how can we possibly fail is all I can say.  

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But it is difficult, isn't it? Because I know, like, Debbie, you have got a belly full of passion, and you sent me a message the other day, and I love that you're always campaigning for something that's really important.   And I tend to, like, flip in, flip out, so to speak.   And I think, well, I do my little bit on the radio each week. I try to share stuff. I kind of feel more now I I do my bit in other ways rather than being out there actively   campaigning.   You know? But I I have felt a little bit like that, I suppose. Even maybe I've become lazy.   You but you do feel like, what can I do? It's like this massive march that is coming up in London.  

Yeah. I don't think   me being there is gonna make one difference at all. I do like a march, but for the sake of,   getting a train to London, the expenses, and everything like that, I just think, do you know what? I'd rather be at home and just I I love a good protest.   I used to.   But,   no. But credit to those that still make the effort.  

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Yeah. I I mean, I understand the the skepticism   about   protests or rallies.   I I do,   because I think people do I think what it is,   I think in terms of overall actions and campaigning, people don't see instant results.   You know, they don't see a change.   It's a little bit like petitions as well. You know, people sign a petition   like the current one, the huge one, against digital ID, and they don't they don't see a sort of immediate or direct response to that. They think, well, this doesn't work. This is a waste of time. But I'm I'm more at the thinking that if we can imagine   campaigning and activism like a kind of a big   what we're up against like a big dam, you know, like, I don't know, like the Hoover Dam. I don't know if it's built of blocks. I'm not quite sure, but, you know, you imagine it's all blocks. And,   you know, we're kind of like the water, if you like, where we're all kind of coming together, different parts of the water, and we can take the dam down brick by brick. And I I so I think it doesn't always happen   at once. Things all kind of happen gradually, and they all kind of build together. So I feel I feel protests are one of those those blocks. I think that,   you know, the kind of stuff that I'm I do street campaigning where you you leaflet and you talk to people, I think that's another block.  

I think chipping away MPs even though, yeah, they are corrupt and they are awful as as I think I think you may have said that earlier. Oh, it might have been somebody else. I was talking to someone else today.   But   all these things, I think we've just got to chip away at them because,   ultimately,   I think   the   when we say they I mean it's always a difficult thing isn't it but but they you know the the establishment if you like don't mention them   don't mention them   the   people that control all this you know   I do think they're in fear of us.   And for that,   you don't think they are?  



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No. I I I don't think they I I you know, what do you think of the Tommy Robinson   march that happened a couple of weeks ago? What I mean,   not necessarily   talking about what you think of necessarily Tommy Tommy Robinson,   but  

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just the actual march that took place. Did did were you there present for that? Did you take part in that? No. No. I wasn't. I'm I'm sorry. No. It's not somebody that I support. I've I've got a lot of,   objections to Tommy Robinson   and,   what he does.   So I  

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when you say what did I think of it about what they were marching about? Or what? Yeah. Because for me, I mean, I'm not don't get me wrong. I'm not I'm I'm Tommy Robinson's   I wouldn't even say smallest fan. It's, like, completely the opposite.   Yeah. But I what I thought was really upsetting about the whole thing is that you had however many people there marching   for all the right reasons, and you had a whole bunch of puppet masters at the other end governing,   you know, the outcome, essentially, almost like,   damage control.  



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Yeah. I mean, it's   you know, when it comes to marches and protests like that, I've that one in particular, I I do think it was a very controlled march.   There was a lot of corporate money   behind that event, behind the people speaking as well from   very corporate funded banking   banks,   funding funding what they do.   And I do think there's a lot of agendas behind it. As for the people there, when my opinion of the people there is I think the vast majority   are well meaning people that are quite understandably   angry   at decades and decades of being,   gaslit   by the by governments,   gaslit, lied to,   neglected,   not listened to,   disenfranchised,   and I completely   understand how they feel. I really do. They have   every right to be angry.  

I do, however, think some of that anger is,   misdirected   and, at the wrong thing.   And I think that the people   that they're being told to blame,   I think,   distracts   distracts   people, I think, from actually what the real issues are that's going on in the world at the moment. Because, I mean, ultimately, as you just said, these awful   people that we're not allowed to you know, it's a little bit like, what's his name from Lord of not Lord of the Rings. What's it? Harry Potter. He who must they they who must not be named. But these Macbeth. Macbeth. Is that the one?   But the these people that must not be named. But, anyway, it takes our our focus on what they're doing ultimately. I think the you know, it when we   whether we're outside hotels or whether people, you know, are flying the flag, because I think it takes the discussion away from that about who's really   who we really should be   pointing out and questioning and being angry with.  

And,   yeah, I mean, digital ID,   which, obviously, we sort of got sort of come running a circle to talking about digital digital ID.   But digital ID to me   is kinda like the cherry   on the cake for them, really, in terms of this digital,   infrastructure.   And   we have got and I I really am hammering this at the moment   to people,   and I'm starting to campaign on it. I've got this street tour coming up   that starts on the October 25   in Cardiff,   and I'm bringing together these two messages, which I feel we're being distracted from.   Maybe not so much the digital ID, which is interesting. I think the the media are talking about that, which is very interesting.  

We you can we can maybe talk about that in a moment why they're doing that. But digital ID, this digital infrastructure   together with their   necessity, I would say, from an economic perspective, from a political perspective to go to war.   You know, when we're really we're already in a war   around the world. It's it's kind of most countries, there's things going on at the moment.   But,   you know, they want us actively   involved   in that war,   here in The UK. And I think those two issues issues,   digital ID,   bringing it all together, that infrastructure,   additional control,   together with   conscription,   national service in this country. I think those are two really big issues that people are not talking about at the moment.  

Bravo bravo. I have to And that that's why I'm being quite I'm quite to be honest, quite obsessive about hammering the message about war because not because I want to scare people.   You know, we go back to what we're talking about. I don't like talking about the fact that our children might be conscripted,   but also   there's part of me as a mother. I'm sure, you know, if you both got I know Shelly has children. I I don't know if you have, but all of us I have. Yeah. Yeah. I have. Yeah.   As parents,   you know, it fills me with utter,   you know, fear and,   and I do feel passionate, Shelley. I do because there's no way   I can sit back   and let my son and other people's children   be be sent away   to come back in a cough come back in a coughing for some crazy   bankers war. I just it oh, it's just   that for me is is what really what we should be fighting.  



[00:51:45] Unknown:

Point though, Debbie, about conscription to war. How does that all kind of fit in? Because I've heard you say it a few times, and I think, oh, I wanna get into this because that is something when I've sat down, I've worried about it, and I think, right. Whose children will I be hiding? Where will I be hiding them? You know? It's Yeah. No. It's I don't know. I mean, that's the kind of thought process that goes through our heads, isn't it, when it comes to our children like it did, funnily enough, during lockdown,  

[00:52:09] Unknown:

you know, when it came to forced vaccinations that we were quite we were worried about. It's it's that same   process.   Basically, to I mean, if you look at something called,   the National Security   Strategy,   which is a a document that's been released, It's out there in the public domain. You can find it on on the Internet,   on on a search.   It's something that's been released by   the government,   by Keir Starmer earlier this year and the military,   And it's it's   quite awful reading. I mean, it really is. It's, it it kind of maps out   how The UK has to prepare for war.  

And in that map,   which   that the map says that within five years, and this was earlier this year, The UK has to be ready for war   with conscription   and with national service.   And   in this document,   Rishi Sunak has also outlined this. You know, the Uniparty, as we call them, they've all been behind it.   They talk about   conscription   for 18   to 40 year olds.   And then in another part of the document, they're even talking about going up to the age of 60 which is quite shocking,   and also   male and female. It'll be men and women   that they will conscript.  

When and then, also, when you start looking at they talk about some of the ways this could be done.   They talk about,   getting employers   involved   in conscription,   getting educational providers, colleges,   possibly score six forms,   possibly universities   involved in this process of conscription,   a draft.   They talk about,   freezing bank accounts,   driver's licenses   to get people to do this.   And then when you tie that together, Shelley, which is what, you know,   you know, sort of basic kind of logic, really, when you tie it together with digital ID,   which   is set to be completed if if this legislation   goes through   as the government want it to at the moment,   and Keir Starmer says the legislation   will be passed by,   by spring next year. If that legislation goes through,   the cards will actually come in sorry. Not the cards. The the ID. The digital ID will come into force in 2029.  

Now that's the same time as we need to be ready for war.   It's gives them all the powers to do exactly those things outlined in the national security strategy.   You know, we we we constantly get articles, don't we? I mean, the papers are not hiding that they're trying to psychologically   prepare us for this. Constantly getting articles about, oh, what if there's a nuclear war?   What if, oh, you need to get your supplies   ready in your house? Have you seen those those mad articles? All you need to do, put your, you know, your food away in case there's some kind of attack. So they're psychologically   using fear   to prepare people for this fact that something's coming.  

And, but when you tie it all together, it's digital ID will give them the power   to chaos us because they   they know  

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that people don't want to go to war. They they know that we're not gonna agree to it. No. You've just you've just hit so so to, cut in there, but you've just hit a point that I've I've been talking about for a long time on the radio,   and that is,   you know, they're not gonna get anyone in Britain to go to war. Who's gonna fight for this country? What country are they actually fighting for? Because most Brits, as we see by the the people who had their own goodwill used against them at at the Tommy Robinson march,   the you know, there's   everyone is so angry   about this country. And then you've got all the people that are coming in who've got no interest in the country. They're just here for, quote, unquote, a better life, whatever.  

You know? And I've said so many times, who's who's gonna sign up for this? But you've just hit the nail on the head, haven't you? Because if they bring this legislation in,   then you're gonna you're basically gonna be persona non grata and have all your your your,   your social   measures all cut if you do not conform.  

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Yeah. No. Absolutely. And then when you put it all together, it's a bit like a jigsaw, isn't it? I mean, you you can see what they're what they're planning. And   it's I mean, it's interesting, isn't it? Because if we compare it, that's all we can do   to try and gauge, you know, what's gonna happen in the future. If we compare it to World War two, World War two,   they they had digital they had, not digital. Sorry. They had, ID cards.   Yeah. They introduced books and all that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. If you have access to everything in in society, really, you have to have an ID an ID card.   And   to get around that, and this is where it gets really interesting, my grandfather   on my mum's side was a conscientious objector   and,   he was very, very political. I never met him. He died when,   my sister was small so I never met him but   he apparently,   as soon as he heard that war was   going to break out and that they were likely   to   use conscription   he left the country   and he worked his way around different countries   to escape and evade   conscription   and he came back after the war   and I talked to my mum about it and she said   I said, well, how did he do that? How did he escape the authorities? And and she said, well, he probably used different identities.  

And,   when you think about it,   they know this. They they know   that people will find ways to, as Shelley was just saying, you know, to try and get out of this.   But if they've got digital ID,   if they've got data, which, to be honest, that they've already got lots of data on on most of us already,   they've got all this data on us. It's it's much harder   for them,   much hard for us, sorry, to say no.  

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Absolutely.   Now one of my biggest things and, Shelley,   don't get upset because I know I mention it every show.   But one of my biggest things   is mobile   phones.   Right? And everyone's everyone's moaning about this digital ID, but they're all still carrying around their mobile phones. How are they gonna implement the digital ID? They've already said they're not gonna issue cards. Now there is a little bit of small print in amongst it, which says those who do not have mobile phones, all the provisions will be made for.   That's that's few people know that because they haven't read the documentation. I haven't personally, but I have a friend that had that has. And he said, there are a couple of loopholes in it. One being is if you don't have a mobile phone,   you know and let's face it. You know, and we you know, you sort of rose to   prominence   or or   if you like,   you you sort of rose to prominence with, you know, with the video from the COVID era. The COVID era era was when they set up all this track and trace stuff and just tested all this stuff out.  

Yeah. You know? Yeah. On the public.   Yeah. And have you got the NHS app? And the NHS app is gonna tell you if you've been in in close proximity to someone else who's then come down with COVID within the last forty eight hours and blah blah. You know?   It's,  

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I But I suppose interrupting that,   the elderly people, it won't be necessary for them to have that because they're not gonna go to war.  

[00:59:56] Unknown:

Well, that's a really good point, isn't it? I mean, that that's an interesting point because   the the the groups are gonna struggle to access this, which they're gonna have to, especially when we've got other laws that are gonna contradict this in this country.   Currently, we have.   You know, the the two biggest groups   that are gonna not be able to access digital digital ID are are the elderly   and the disabled.   And they are obviously the biggest groups that use cash in this country as well. So I think that's interesting, Shelley,  

[01:00:26] Unknown:

you know, in terms of the conscription thing, because it does overlap with that, doesn't it? It does. Yeah. It it that's it's that's an interesting point you make as well because, obviously, the elderly and the disabled aren't gonna be so good in combat either.   No. But it does mean that they'll all be under the very comforting umbrella ring wing of the government and be well looked after, of course.   Look. Hold that thought, guys, because we're just past the top of the top of the hour.   So I'm gonna play a little tune so we can all have a little break and stuff, and then,   we'll come back in after this. What show are we listening to, Shelley?  



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We are listening to the Shelley Tasker Show on radiosoapworks.com.   And and before you play it, do you know what? We need a jingle of somebody shouting out mobile phones for whenever you mention it every week.  

[01:01:16] Unknown:

Right. Play the song, mister Stewart. Yeah. Alright. I I I promise I'll do it to myself each week, so this is I'm manning the studio.   Yeah. Alright.   Okay. Lots of love, folks. See you back in in a few minutes. This is, carve your heart out.  

[01:05:11] Unknown:

And welcome back to the Shelley Tasker Show. I'm your host with my cohost, mister Scott, and we've got a wonderful guest, the awesome Debbie Hicks. Welcome back,   guys.  

[01:05:22] Unknown:

Thank you very much. Hello. Hi.  

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Hello. Welcome back. Yeah. It's interesting. I'm just like listening to that song. I'm just thinking about in that conversation.   I mean, isn't it funny when you get down to the nitty gritty? And I'm so glad you've come on, Debbie, because there's so many points there that I haven't thought about with the whole digital ID. Because there's been lots of questions that I've been asking like, well, is it as bad as everybody's making out? And my other half is like, no. It's only for so you can get a job and so you can buy a house. And the things that have come out in the last week, it's always so you can live your life. Yeah.   And I know he's like, we haven't really got anything to hide, but, like, you know, we all know during COVID times how close you know, you lost your job because you didn't have a jab.  

Yeah. And how close it can get to that again. And I've I've not thought about it   in conscription   because I kept thinking, why does I keep going on about this?   And I've been waiting to hear. So, thank you. I'm sure there's lots more to talk about on it, but I hadn't thought about it, how digital ID would work with that. So it's a bit of an eye opener, really, isn't it? It's quite frightening. Yeah. It's complete control.  

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It's complete control. If you've look. Give me the power to control a country's money, and I care not who makes its laws   is a very, very old statement.   And   it's they're talking with with digital currency that literally every single penny can be tracked and traced in the same way that people can. So if I wanna pay my daughter £5 a week to wash the car,   she'll get taxed on it at the end of the year.   It's just disgusting.  

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Yeah. No. Absolutely.   And it's the ultimate way that you control people is is with money and with their access to   food and water. And,   I think that's going to be the ultimate thing. I mean,   talking about it being for paying your bills, for   accessing your bank account. So it's   literally, within a week of it being announced, I think every day, they've added on something   something more. So but it covers,   I think, almost   everything now. So it's, they're they're certainly not hiding it. I mean, there was a big debate online,   which I'm sure you've   read,  

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Shelley about. Petition?  

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About the, about the the fact that we've already got a system that's pretty much, which it is, I mean, there is already   a digital system that where it I better know if the if you're gonna pay your tax, you've gotta log into this government system.   If you wanna get your your driver's license, I think that is actually cashless now, if you want to renew your driver's license. But I think passports,   even though you can still you can do them with this new logging system, this digital system, I've forgotten what it's called now,   government gateway,   You can still I checked this this evening just to be sure. You can still go to the post office and do it in cash, and you can still   go to one of their offices,   the the passport office, to to get it in in person and pay in cash. So there are still some   things that they haven't,   tied together yet with this system.  

And that's why, I mean, on a more hopeful note, because it's all kind of doom and gloom talking about this, isn't it? And it sounds like we've got no way of fighting back. I think there are still things at the moment,   if this legislation   fails or doesn't go through properly,   where we still got some scope to fight back   in terms of not,   as you were just saying, you know, don't mobile   phones. I mean, I've got one. I think most people have got one. And I said I've I've said to my husband recently, I said, it's gotta go. It has to go.   Good girl. Good girl. I have to give you a round of applause. Shelley will help you, but I have to give you a though, baby. This is this is the interesting thing about technology is it's got kind of got two sides to it, hasn't it? Because I think for us as campaigners,   Shelley, as you probably remember, you know, it was our biggest in touch with people.  

It was it's been such an amazing tool to communicate with people and and build   political movements, but on the other side,  

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they control us with it. So it's this, you know, it's this funny built the cage that we get used to using and get used to living in.  

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Absolutely. I said to Darren about it. I said I might just go back to a burner.   He said, well, how are you gonna get your emails from work when shifts suddenly come in? I was like, oh, okay. There is always two safeties.   I'm supposed to start a pin every hour on my computer.  

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There's a change.   Yeah. Sorry? It's just as you said, it's re retraining yourself though, isn't it? I mean, when I think back to, you know, I was in my twenties and, you you know, we we never you you know, we have those old really basic, like, brick phones. Didn't we? You remember? And then we had the   I can't remember what it moved on to. There was something else before the smartphones. Is it the black BlackBerry, was it? I can't remember now. Is it called a BlackBerry? I believe. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Where they got slightly smarter. Yeah. They got slightly smarter, didn't they? And then, obviously,   with Steve Jobs'   rumored CIA   asset as I think Julian Assange has put that out that he was a CIA asset. When that came   along, which wasn't that long ago,   really, what, twenty twenty odd years ago,   the smart the modern smartphones,   the Apple phones, I I think that probably was a crucial point   in moving to this system.  

And, interestingly, I'm gonna be talking about this,   a speech I'm doing in a week's time. Interestingly, when you look at the timing of the smartphones,   that was the time when facial recognition   cameras started going up in this country in a big way. It was exactly the same time.   You can see how it's all been,   you know, timed and orchestrated   to to bring us to this this point.  

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Where I mean, I gotta say, I think,   personally, I think Julia Assange Julian Assange was a CIA asset. You know, just just there to leak things for the people to almost like, you know,   like the independent media kinda works in a lot of ways. You get drip fed all this kind of stuff.   And and as we said last week, you know, this this stuff gets leaked.   And you think, well, who's leaked that to you? And what's make what makes you so important?   Oh, no. No. It's it's leaked this, that, and the other. And, you know, I think the independent media is used just as much   to Yeah. Help sculpt people's minds. And, you know, you got all these sort of brand new independent broadcasters that suddenly appear with, like, 8,000 or 12,000 followers. And it's like, you know, how did that occur?  



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Yeah. And that's me still on my 6,000.   Yeah.   It's not that it bothers me. I'm not really I'm not really bothered about that. It's not about what makes me feel  

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radio host over in America a few few weeks back, and he's probably one of the more popular,   excuse me, one of the more popular hosts   in The US, independent popular host in The US, a guy called Blackbird nine. And he is capped   at 2,000 followers on Twitter. He's got people joining every day, but the numbers never go up.  

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It's interesting, isn't it? It's a discussion I've had with lots of people lately about why some people get huge followings and others don't,   because sometimes it's quite hard to fathom how they've got these huge followers of some people. I'm not I'm not saying any names, but but I do think it's all about the I don't think it's just about money, actually. I think it's it's it's more about what we're talking about, Feline. I think it's all these digital systems.   I think they've got algorithms in place to make   sure that the messages they want spread   are   those people are the ones that yeah. They're gonna match up with the algorithms so that they get the followers, whereas the people like me that are saying uncomfortable stuff,   you know, you're not gonna so I I think it's all it's more about that than it is about this whole controlled opposition with money type thing. I think it's about digital systems   that are set up with algorithms.  

I think,   you know, the algorithms are set against certain people.   I also think   a lot of the information now   interesting thing. Have you noticed now when we're talking about the digital stuff where I'd say it's literally been in the last   six months, if you use a search engine now,   everything comes up with this AI   condensed   version of what you're searching for  

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on the Internet. Have you noticed that? Yes. Yes. You used to just Google something, didn't you? But it says our AI interpretation,  

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and then it reels off before it goes to websites and stuff. Yes. Please rely please rely on AI because, obviously, we don't want you to think for yourself.  

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Exactly.   Yeah. Although even the Internet's way just lazy, but this is like another step further, isn't it? It's like don't even set the Internet. Absolutely. It's it's absolutely another step further. And it's, again, it's part of the cage.  

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It's part of the cage because people become people have become so reliant on Google that they don't bother reading anymore.   You know, they just type a search into Google, and now you've got this AI response. I mean, look, don't get me wrong. I've got a friend who's probably listening now who says, you know, there's a lot of good stuff you can do with AI. It takes months, even years off of coding things and yeah. I get it. The but and and there's no there's no problem really with mobile phones. It's not the technology.   It's what it's being used for.  



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Exactly.  

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Yeah. Yeah. That's the biggest problem, I think. You know? And the fact is that most kids nowadays   are not   most kids nowadays are socially inept   because Yeah. They've they've learned to socialize   through   a screen.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. And they haven't got the I mean, I was I was a teacher,   for twenty five years. I'm   from in those twenty five years, the standards, I mean, they were never great to start with, but they completely   honestly,   some of it was absolutely shocking, and I think and   it's not necessarily their thought, their fault either. It's it's a system that's been created that's made them reliant on technology,   but also on the teaching methods that are employed now in schools, colleges, and even universities is everything is spoon fed,   and the pressure is put on to teachers and lecturers to spoon feed  

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because they lose their jobs if they're not getting a good pass rate. Yeah. It's it's a because the pass rate is down to the the funding is down to the pass rate and obviously bums on seats. Because if you don't attend, the government, the or the local council don't give you your funding. But Yeah. It's funny actually because I had a question from one of the listeners earlier. I was waiting for an opportunity to ask it. So,   the the the the question comes from Patrick, and it is, what does your guest think about homeschooling?  

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Yeah.   Well, I'm very much in favor of it, and I think Shelley and I may have talked about this before, actually.   My son,   he went to primary school,   And I have to say, in this country, I think primary schools,   still somewhat, are actually much better in terms of ethics and teaching   than secondary schools, and he, overall, had quite a good   experience, I'd say, at primary school.   When he got to secondary school,   it completely changed. It was,   this this awful   culture   in in secondary schools of, I would say, a bullying culture that comes from the teachers   as well as, you know, obviously, the then the the p the pupils, the kids are then gonna do the same. It kind of went went both ways.  

And it was just this horrific system and it's interesting because we're talking about digital ID   and we're talking about digital control and one of the biggest factors that I got into quite a conflict   as Shelley probably won't be surprised I got into   quite a conflict   with my son's head teacher. She absolutely hated me because I kicked up a big stink about the fact that they,   were using fingerprint technology   for school dinners   and to access,   you know, to pay for things at school.  

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Absolutely. I'd be outraged as well.  

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And this was, oh, gosh. What? Twelve   twelve years ago? And, I was the only and I this this was, to me one of those another one of those moments where I'm thinking, what the hell? I was the only parent kicking up. Nobody was even bothered about it. And,   I I even took it to a local counsellor who I knew, and she was shocked, and she took it to the council.   And, eventually, they came back and they said, well, your son doesn't have to use the digital system.   He can come in and pay in cash.   So I finally got that for him, but I was still really angry that they were using this system on all the kids at school. And,   so that was one of those moments together with some of the horrible experiences my son was having at school. He went through a bullying, a horrible bullying situation   where,   funnily enough, here we go again. Isn't this interesting? It was to do with technology.  

He moved to secondary school. We tried a different secondary school because he was unhappy.   So we moved to secondary school,   and within a few weeks, he came home to me   saying, Mummy, I'm really upset. I don't want   to go to school. I said, what's going on? And he said that the, because he was new, and he didn't know anyone. He said the kids were when it he he went out at lunchtime,   the, the kids were,   all circling him,   and one of the girls,   turned around and made out that he'd,   touched her sexually.   So that   and then the boyfriend of this I mean, they were, what, 13, and I'm in relationships. It's crazy. But, anyway, the boyfriend of this girl then obviously wanted to go for my son, and they gammed up on him with all their phones, live streaming it on God knows what they they were using back then. I don't know. And I always said to my son, if that happens, I said,   you tell them I know this, I'm not gonna say a swear word on the radio, you tell them to f off I know this sounds really you know, this is me as a teacher saying this as well, I said you stand up for yourself, you'd be really bold and as you walk away with your head and you go straight into the building away from them and you go and tell a member of staff And he did that, so they didn't assault him.  

But he from that day, he wouldn't go to school.   Don't blame him. No. I don't blame   him. Shirley, I went in the the next day   to see the head teacher,   and their response made my my mind up for me.   He said, what's the problem, missus Hicks? This happens all the time. And I'm like, oh my god.   Oh my god. And I thought I got home, and I said to my husband, I said,   he's gonna be homeschooled. He's gonna be home tutored.   I said, I'll find a way of doing it because I was working at the time. I said, I'll find a way, and I did. I literally pulled him out the next day. I put the letter in the next morning,   and that was it. And I have to say, it's been difficult   because obviously we had the lockdown as well. It's been it's been difficult, but it was probably the best decision   that we made for my for for for for my son. And,   you you I think you've met my son, Shelley, haven't you? He's Yeah. He's lovely. He's he's, you know, he's an independent thinker. He can think for himself. He's got a mind of his own,   and I think, that's priceless.  



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A a school can't pick up to you. No. No. They can't. I've I've always said I mean, touch wood. We're nearly six weeks in on Piran's first term, and   he is, at the moment, thriving from it. I'm so glad he's out of primary school because we had lots of billion problems.   But if ever I got to a problem, I wouldn't hesitate to say, nope. You're done.   You know? We'll we'll see how it goes, but, no, totally understandable. And, you know, when some people, they moan online about all the grief their kids   are getting. And I do understand people have got mortgages to pay, and it makes it really hard. But I think, do you know what? I would just find a way. If I had to do night shifts and all of that sort of stuff,   my child's happiness is paramount. That's that's all there is to it. I could not send my child into school worried and anxious every day. Absolutely.  



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I mean, and for some kids, it works, and they like school, and that's fair enough. But, you know, your your children's well-being is is  

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has to be parallel. Different. One doesn't suit all, does it? I loved school. I absolutely loved it.   Even from a young age, I even when I was poorly, I wanted to go into school.   But like we say, we're all different. So  

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And there should always be options. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And that's  

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I was gonna say, definitely, it should always be the option, but I   my lad, my oldest, my lad, he went to school,   and he he was fine with it. He dealt with it really well.   Most of his problems, he was very, very independent.   But my two girls,   we've pulled we pulled them out and homeschooled them because   it's not it's really not the society that I grew up in.   And I'm uncomfortable with them learning some of the stuff   that they're pushing out in schools now.   And like you, it was the best decision that I've ever made. I've got two   beautifully   free thinking daughters who,   you know, not they can't necessarily tackle the world,   but,   you know, they're they're confident in their own choices and their own opinions and their own moral standing in the world, you know, and that's really important.  



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Yeah. And it's also I mean, look, you know, the bullying,   you know, that my son went through is not unusual. This is is rife   in the school system. It's But the fact that he turned around the fact that he turned around and said this happens every day, it's like, well, why are you allowing it to happen? It was it was the the fact that it was the attitude to it more than anything that it was like, right. That that's because I'd always had it in the back of my mind. If it doesn't work out at secondary school for my son,   I will do it. I all because I I I was very aware. I mean, I've I've been, you know, been in education for a long time, and I was very aware of the problems before he even started. So I all all already had it in the back of my my mind.  

But, no, a shocking,   shocking attitude. And I and I think, unfortunately, I think   bullying   in schools   has been normalized in this country, and I I think   children are taught to well, that that's it's almost like, well, that's part of the what you go through. If you go to school, you have to deal with this. And it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be that way. I mean, it's just why do we think that's acceptable that kids have to go through bullying to become an adult?   It's   it's it normalizes it, doesn't it? So when you become an adult, you then accept it in all other ways, from the government as as we're talking about. Yeah. Absolutely.  

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So so how do you think then the the the current generation,   the current school generation is gonna,   take on board with the digital ID?   Do you think that it's gonna be across the board or do you think there's gonna be because I mean, people are already normalized to the technology. There's no kid. There's no teenager now that would ever be without their mobile phone. You know? Don't don't my phone. You're not you're not taking that off of me. I've grown a pouch on my left hand just so that I can hold it and do other things. You know? I mean, it's it's like Yeah. Yeah. No. That's a really good, yeah, a really good question about how are they going to I mean, I  

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as yet, I haven't been out   on the streets talking to people to get a a a feel for how   what young people think about this. But I you know, looking at a lot of the polls, and I know they can be dodgy, but a lot of the the information out there, it looks like it's unpopular across the board with different age groups. And,   it's it's like a line that's been crossed with this, isn't it? It's this   final kind of piece, if you like, of this digital   system. It's,   so I'm not so sure they're gonna be in in favor   of doing this as much as we think.   I mean, I I talked to my son about it the other day, and he said, oh, you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna use it. And,   even though we had a discussion about the fact it might be hard to to not use it, it's it's the fact that everyone's saying that I think is really good. There's already this attitude, we don't want this.  

And that helps, doesn't it, build the non noncompliance.  

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As I say, it's all about the acquiescence of the people, isn't it? That's the thing. And if people feel like they've been railroaded into it,   most people crumble. Oh, just take away all my freedoms and leave me my creature comforts, you know.   But I I think   Sorry. I was just gonna say, I I do think there's gonna be a lot of pushback, but I don't know whether it will come from the younger generation. That has to be said, which is why I sort of alienating the They won't understand enough about it.  

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They won't Yeah. It's like I said, it's hard because during I'm trying to think, like, during the lockdown because, obviously, lockdown was all about trying to get the,   you know, the the health passports as they called them through, which they, you know, they did pass the legislation   and which is quite interesting, but then backtracked up to us. So it's that was very interesting.   So I don't think in light of this, we should be too despondent because I think it could be something similar with this. I think they might pass the legislation,   quite watered down legislation. I think it's probably gonna be. But I think the backlash   and the fact that a lot of it's not gonna be very operational,   there's so many problems with this this system they wanna bring in. I I I think it could,   it it might I don't I don't think this I actually don't think it's gonna work. That's my personal opinion, which, to be honest, I've been keeping that quiet because I I think it's essential to campaign and get people doing stuff. But privately, I I personally don't think it's gonna work. I think there's so many things about this that are  

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I I think I read earlier somebody's view on it that in order for agenda twenty thirty to happen, it can't happen unless the whole digital ID has run out, been rolled out. Sorry.  

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Yeah. But, I mean, like, obviously, they need to make it compuls compulsory.   Mhmm. And, obviously, there's a big discussion about that word as well. But, I mean, compulsory in the sense that   employers, banks,   you know,   councils or whatever are gonna have to request this from us   to access their services. So even if we say no, which we can   under the law, of course, we can say no. Nothing's gonna happen if we say no, but we just can't do those things anymore. So it's it's even though it's not compulsory, you're not really gonna be able to live if if if we don't, comply with it.   But there's just so at the moment, there's just so many parts of this in terms of   you've got so much stuff going on in the in the the Labour Party at the moment. You've got,   internal coups going on, which have even coming out into the press now. You've got Andy Burnham   trying to I think he's waiting for a seat to come back and try and   take the leadership.  

And it it just looks like this issue could almost be being pushed as well for for that reason, you know, to try and get rid of Starmer,   because he's so as we know, he's so hugely unpopular. I mean, he must must be the most unpopular  

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Yeah. Well, I think I I think yeah. But, I mean, I I think we're all supposed to think that they're incompetent. I think we're all supposed to think that. Oh, they're corrupt. They're all incompetent, and that's why we don't get anything done, and we need some good people in their system.   You know, so we need to we need to vote harder next time and get the next right person in, but you're never gonna get the right person in in their system. That's, I think, that's probably the biggest problem. And they're always the largest mouthpiece,   you know.  

It is a it is a big issue, isn't it? Anyway, look, hold those are are you hanging around, Debbie? Or are you have you got a a go, or are you alright for a while? I mean, I I I do I'd better go. I've got a few things to sort out. But, yeah, I mean, just just to sort of say and and wind up, really, the,  

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the digital ID. Obviously, I'm I'm as many people, I'm out campaigning.   We've got this this big rally in London on Saturday on the eighteenth   at one 1PM   Marble Arch. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be joining now. And then on Saturday,   October 25,   I've got a big day of action organized in Cardiff   from,   that's from,   11:00 in the morning, quite early,   in Cardiff. And that's that's not that's not really gonna be a rally. That's a day of outreach where we're gonna try and leaflet   and talk to as many   people as possible. And I've got lots of other events planned as well,   around the country. So, yeah, I just wanna get out and spread the message, really, as much as possible about what's going on. And, I'm linking it to war, as I said, so that people can because I think truth is is power.  

And if people can see what's coming, it gives us a bit more power to think about, well, how do we   boycott   and resist technology now? What can we do now with this,   juggernaut, if you like, that's coming towards us? No.  

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No. I think if you if you show people the boot that's about to crush their neck, they're more inclined to resist it. Absolutely.  

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People a bit. And that that is I know it's horrible, but that's really what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to shake it up and say, look. Look. This is this is serious.   We gotta resist now.   Not when they pass the legislation. It's too late. You can't just say, I'm gonna go off into the woods, and I'm gonna live off grid. That's just not gonna happen. It's it's not gonna work in reality. The time is now.   The time is is now. Absolutely.  

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Soon as it. Yeah. Hopefully, you're gonna come down to Truro as well, Debbie, in December.   I'd love to. Yeah. That. Yeah. We'll talk about that. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much. It's been a real eye opener,   for me anyway.  

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It's been wonderful to have you on. Absolutely. Yeah. Definitely. Oh, thank you. Well, no. Thank you. It's it's good to talk about these things, and it's, you know, it's it's probably one of the hardest things, isn't it, as a human being, is to talk about stuff that scares us.   Yes. But, yeah, we we have to. And I do it in in memory of my grandfather, and I do it for my my son. So yeah. Oh, absolutely.  

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Absolutely. Amazing work, miss Hicks, and, we will catch up really soon. Yeah. We will do. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, thank you both for having me. You're most welcome.  

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We'll we'll catch up soon, I'm sure. Yeah. Definitely.  

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Take care, Debbie. Speak to you soon. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Take care, Debbie. Hat off, darling. Brilliant. Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay. Bye. Bye. Bye. Wow.   What an awesome guest. I know. She is pretty amazing. She's I share loads of her stuff on Facebook. She really inspires me, and she left I know she's, like, really heavy. I I share a lot of her posts and stuff, and then she left me a voice message   a few days ago.   Are you still feeling passionate, Shelley? I was thinking about coming to Cornwall, and perhaps we could do a keep it cash   thing in the digital ID.  

I don't know how you feel about that. And I was saying, you know, crikey. Crikey. I don't know if I'm up for it. All coming out. I'll I'll come and help. Tomorrow, I will help assist you, Debbie. But, see, I don't like the eye I'm happy to stand next to a store and hand out flyers and talk to people, but I don't like the idea of, like, going into shops and, like, kind of giving a spiel.   But then that's just a confidence thing, but I will gladly help her. It's gonna be sometime in December. So   Shelley, you have to tell yourself I'm confident. That's it. I know you all say this to me. It's true. When I say things like that, people go, you're so confident. I mean, every even tonight, you know, for about an hour before this radio   show, anxiety,   butterflies.  

And I think, oh, crikey. I'm you know, this is happening more and more. And it's it's adrenaline. It's excitement,   and it's just stupid as well. It's But it's also  

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the excitement of doing the work you know you should do. Oh, I like that, mister Scott. I like that. There you go. There you go.  

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Crikey. You're very philosophical  

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tonight. Loving it. I'm always philosophical. I just don't always show it.   Well, look. We've come to just past the bottom of the hour. We just had absolutely excellent guests on, Debbie Hicks.   I'm gonna play a little song so that we can go and have a quick break, and and we'll be back in a few minutes. Is is that okay with you, Shelley?  

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Of course it is. What if I said no?  

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Well, if you if you said no, I'd just let you carry on for a bit and then play the song. Aw. You're so you see, you're just like Darren.  

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Anything I want.  

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Yeah. I don't push it. Alright.   Oh, look. These these Martians   these Martians that want the digital ID, they want to consume us all. Here's a song called Martians.  

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Everything,  

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Oh, I liked that.   You're not quick enough to unmute yourself, are you?  

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I was waiting for you to speak. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. I was I I I was actually I was actually saying what a lovely tune that is, Martians. That's off of the old pureoriginal.com   website.   We will need everything that it takes   to fight them over. Yeah. I I it's such a it's such an apt tune, actually. Yeah. I've never heard it before. It was really nice. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that you wouldn't have heard it before because it was probably only on a few handful of websites about twenty odd years ago.   And the guy never went on to make any albums as far as I know. One of the songs actually that that we,   had a few emails about that I played on the show a few weeks back,   which was end seven moment of one.  

I stumbled across their entire   album   on YouTube.   It'd been posted by someone that had bought their album.   I never even knew that they'd made one. They only sent me two tunes to promote. And, it turns out in 2003   or 02/1961   of the two, they they they produced an entire album. So if anyone's interested, particularly   the listeners that emailed me to say, what was that tune you played?   Go on to YouTube and type in end seven.   That's it. And you should you should be able to find the whole album.  

[01:39:15] Unknown:

I love it. I'm just loving new music and finding covers and stuff like that. And I was going to find another short Bill Hicks   clip for this week, and I did find one. But then, for some reason, when you go to try and copy the download,   oh, it's not available in your country. It changes all the time. Anyway, Darren wasn't around. So long story short So you haven't got one? No. No. I haven't got one. But what I discovered   was   and, I mean, maybe you already know this, but Bill Hicks wrote some songs as well.   Yes. He did. Yes. He did. I never knew that. I didn't have the time to play. I mean, couple of them had some quite quirky titles,   but I never had a chance to play any of it because it was only late last night that I really came across that. But I was quite surprised.  



[01:40:01] Unknown:

Yeah. I think, for his rant in e minor album,   which is not,   not a music album. It's a comedy album. For his rant in e minor album, I believe he did the soundtrack for that.  

[01:40:16] Unknown:

Okay.  

[01:40:17] Unknown:

Yeah.   So, yeah. Well, look.   She was an absolute Debbie, what a what a what a workhorse she is.  

[01:40:26] Unknown:

Yeah. I know. She's amazing.   Yeah.   Yes. She's a strong, passionate woman. Yes. Very good.  

[01:40:35] Unknown:

I've just been sent some links. By the way, I I I cannot play links   instantly, folks, if you send send them to me. I have to download them and then reupload them to StreamYard. So it it takes a minute or two.  

[01:40:48] Unknown:

And I, obviously, I would have to vet it before Yeah. I was just thinking that one. I'm sorry. I was it's something really well, you might not think it is bad, but I've literally come across a couple of songs in the last two days, and I'm like,  

[01:41:01] Unknown:

oh, yes. Better not play that one. Head. Yeah. Yeah.   That's quite funny. Yeah. But I will review it and maybe play it on next week's show, mister von Kurtz. So Yeah.   Thanks for sending it, and and we'll we'll stick it up there.  

[01:41:18] Unknown:

If it's appropriate, that is appropriate for the Shelley Task Show. Yes. Indeed. Indeed. It's funny. I like that name of the title.   What was it? Rant in e minor. Rant in e minor. Yeah. I mean, there's someone with an understanding of music. Yeah. Definitely. And the reason I like that is because, obviously, I've had my piano a week now, and I've been going through the motions of trying to read music again.   Oh my goodness. These notes. You know, like, when they play, like, this that tune that I'm learning, Clair de Lune, a nice simple one to start with. Lovely simple one to start. Oh, well, I'm glad you get because, yeah, you gotta play it in twelve months' time live on air. I know. So, I mean, it's yeah. You gotta get your you gotta get your your your game on. I know. I know. I'm on it. Don't you worry. But, like, in the in the chord of, d flat major, I think it is, and there's, like, five flats.   But when it's a natural note, it's actually a note half lower.  

And you think, why don't you just write it like that?   Because I see it in a different way. But learning to read music again, I'll tell you what, the tutorials I've been watching and stuff is, it's been fascinating, actually, because I've already got quite a good understanding, but now, obviously, it was a bit harder.   But I've been watching people play the songs with their tutorials   and just learning about   flats and things like that, how they work in different keys. And I know most of my scales, actually. I've started playing them. I was thinking, okay. I should be able to learn these things, but, like, playing a chord in fifths and in sevenths and stuff like that. And I'm just finding it fascinating.  

[01:42:48] Unknown:

No wonder I've learned that. You'll have to break to come and teach me some scales because, like, I I literally I do everything by ear, so it's all just for me. It's all to do with the fingering. What you can note find the notes easy, but it's just making sure that you can play it in that crisp way  

[01:43:03] Unknown:

so that each note flows.  

[01:43:05] Unknown:

Yes. Yeah.  

[01:43:07] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:43:08] Unknown:

Yeah. No. I I Sorry, Alvin. He's I get what he's saying as well.   My god.   I just said it's all about the fingers, isn't it?  

[01:43:17] Unknown:

Oh, okay.   Well, you you sent you you sent Sean Sean Surplus crazy a couple of, last week when you said that you were a bit hot on the mic.  

[01:43:28] Unknown:

Oh my god. You men. I'll tell you what, you've all got one track minds.   Well, I think say something, but my brain always thinks that. When people say something, I will always think  

[01:43:39] Unknown:

the dirty version or the most Yeah. So but hang on. But isn't that a bit of just projection you've just put on me then? You're saying all you men, you always you've always got one track mind. You you always think of something dirty, and then follow it up by saying it's actually you that thinks of something dirty. Bit, though. I mean, I think there's one of these Tesco bag for life bags that says this country or something.  

[01:44:00] Unknown:

But when that bag is slightly creased, I read that   as what it sounds like when you're saying it, but I will always see bad words. When I'm reading something,   I just see, like, before I read it properly, like, a bad word.  

[01:44:15] Unknown:

That's like a a naughty word or something. Yeah. You're just reading what you want to read, aren't you? You're just reading what you want to read. Oh, did that say something naughty? Yeah. Yeah. Love it. Love it. Absolutely. Love it. Anyway. Oh, nice.   So,   we've had,   god. I've I've got a few little,   news pointers here, which I thought was was quite funny. Just just the little conversation points. That's all. But,   you know, I noticed that,   the International Monetary Fund has said that over the coming year,   Britain is gonna have   what quote, unquote,   the highest   inflation   in g seven. G seven is the top seven countries of the world, apparently. Or isn't it nice to be part of that club? Oh, yes. Right. Right.  

But we're gonna have the highest inflation.   Right?   Not we're gonna have the highest inflation, it says, but we're also   going to have the most booming economy. Now I'm sorry. Ask any economist. How does that flipping work?   You've got the highest inflation, so your cash is becoming less.   Like,   it is worth less, but you're gonna have the most booming economy.   What an absolute   load of double speak   that actually is. And anyone reading through the tabloid press that that buys all this stuff, and you just you you just think,   have you not got a brain on your shoulders? This is they're saying one thing, you know, on one side of their mouth and the other thing on the other side of their mouth. And they're expecting everyone to just believe that,   oh, well, of course, it's all down to incompetence, isn't it, Shelley? You know?  

Yeah. The other the other funny thing I was gonna bring up,   was the fact that apparently now   and this is I'm reading from a government website here. Migrants   will be required to pass a level   standard of English   in order to work in The UK.   Right?   So check this. When my son   went to university a couple of years ago,   or I went to study music, whatever. But,   when he went, he we couldn't find his English   exam paper.   So we couldn't prove   how well he'd done in English, which he did bloody well.   We couldn't prove it. So what did he have to do   to prove that he'd got his a level in English and and in order you know,   therefore, was able   to go to unive the university that had already accepted him on the basis of his results, blah blah blah blah blah.  

Because we couldn't find his exam paper, his his, you know, exam result on the English, he had to resit   an English exam,   which was an hour and a half.   He was done in twenty minutes,   and and and just bored for the rest of the time, just sort of shuffling his feet.   Because and do you know what he said to me? He said,   it was designed for people   that English is not their first language.   And that enabled him on an a level value to get into university. So the fact that the government are now paying lip service to the fact that migrants won't be allowed to work unless they have an a level standard of English,   the standard of English required to get into university in The UK is designed for foreign students.  

And therefore,   as if they're using if if they are using the same standard,   most people   will be able to pass it with a cursory,   overview of what English   is and does.   So  

[01:48:05] Unknown:

And, also,   we'll fund that for them. I'm sure. Of course, we will. I know a lady who I used to work with who came from   Ukraine.   She had to move,   moved over here, and she used to work with me. God, it was so hard because she spoke hardly any English.   And I was like, why are we employing people like this? Because,   you know,   oh, it's just so hard. You've got an elderly person and somebody that cannot hardly speak a word of English. Anyway, over time, obviously, it did get better and stuff like that, but she was telling me one day that she has two lessons a week. And she's gotta go to a special place, and it's all funded. So  

[01:48:44] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I know. My my friend my friend teaches English. My friend lives   in my my friend lives in in in,   I'm I'm not even gonna say where he lives, but let's just say they have a big pride march there each year.   So he lives up there.   That's up there for us. It's down there for most other people in The UK.   But he is government subsidized   to teach English   to foreign language students.   He's government subsidized, and he's on £40 plus an hour   for doing that.  

[01:49:21] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, did you say this is for illegal immigrants or just immigrants?  

[01:49:26] Unknown:

No. Migrants. No migrants. This is this is this is so www.   Yeah. Yeah. Gov.uk  

[01:49:31] Unknown:

website. So it's just it uses the word migrants. On the other on the other side of the coin,   then I think that is a good thing because,  

[01:49:41] Unknown:

obviously, if people come over here and they've got good work ethics and stuff like that and we do have to face it that there are people out there that do job. But what I'm saying is is this this whole lip service, so they will have to have a level, you know, a past standard, And I've always tried to get off and you're funny. I get it. Sorry. I bring a bit low. It's it's so it's you know, the it's such a One for them and one for us. Well, no. It's the same rule for both. If you if you forget what your English result is and you have to sit at your English exam to go into into university, as an English person, you will find it exceptionally   easy exceptionally   easy to the point of an hour and a half exam takes you twenty minutes, and you spend the rest of the time shoveling your shuffling your feet. Yeah.  

You know, so   this this is pure lip service to alleviate   public worry.   But in actual fact, if you dig under the surface, if it is the same standard that my son of of exam that my son had to sit,   it's it's not really any kind of standard at all. Most kids at a primary school will be able to to sit that exam.  

[01:50:46] Unknown:

And we know as well for people, they've got to give special consideration more so than us for anybody that comes out then that's a different ethnicity. Have I said that right? Or or or sexual preference. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah.   Or very kind.  

[01:51:02] Unknown:

Yes. Indeed. Okay. But you can't say anything against it.   No. Or at least it's it's inadvisable   to say anything against it.   Oh, man. This has been a really good show this week, Shelley. I'm so glad that, that, Debbie came on because it's actually a lot of food for thought. I did, you know, I've been saying for so long,  

[01:51:23] Unknown:

who's gonna fight for this country? And I'm like you have. And I did wonder earlier for, is is Maleficus gonna jump in with the question? And I know you didn't really have to because you just explained it so well.  

[01:51:35] Unknown:

Yeah. She did. But it's just the fact that I've been saying for so long, who on earth is gonna fight for this country? No one has any faith in their government.   No one has a no one even knows what Britain is or was anymore. They're just sort of bumbling along with their little digital   rectangle babysitter, which they keep in their back pocket.  

[01:51:52] Unknown:

Enough said. Mobile phone alert. Mobile phone alert.   I'm just gonna do my own. Yeah.  

[01:52:00] Unknown:

You know,   who who is gonna fight for this country? Well, it's anyone   that is scared of having their bank account taken away, isn't it?   So they can't support their   children.  

[01:52:12] Unknown:

It's pros and cons for for, like, both sides as always. And I can see some of the, like, pros as well. I mean, if your son was on a digital system there,   okay,   hopefully, you'd like to think that they would have been able to trace his a level results. Okay? That's just one side. But then on the other hand,   it's the   people, the most vulnerable,   those people, where a lot of people are seeing it from, is worrying that their identity would be stolen and it will be leaked and stuff like that. And looking into it more and more, it's these homeless people   that are literally they've had their bags stolen.  

They've got no form of ID, and there's so many people that have, like,   racked up thousands and thousands of pounds worth of debt in these other people's names   and and been arrested,   and they can't prove who they are unless it gets to that DNA stage. And that's even if they've got any DNA records of it. So it is quite frightening  

[01:53:08] Unknown:

that aspect of this as well. For me, that's the Hegelian dialectic. They've already got the solution they want to bring in, and they will they will expound on great problems which enable them to bring in this solution.   Mhmm. You know?   It's this is   this is no different. It it this has been going on for a long, long time, and they've been wanting to bring this system in for a very, very long time.   So   I don't know. I don't I don't think there's many pros.   I've gotta be said. Give me my freedom any day. You know? Give me the freedom to go and roam the countryside, the right to roam, Shelley. You know?   Mhmm.  

You know,   the more we allow   centralization   to occur,   the less freedoms we will have for ourselves because we're allowing ourselves as a round peg to be rammed into a square hole.  

[01:54:03] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[01:54:04] Unknown:

You know?   I it I'm just totally against it. I'm totally I am now now that I understand its implications.  

[01:54:12] Unknown:

I've been a little bit on the fence, to be honest with you, because I've been looking at both sides like I always do, and I'm like, yeah. I get that. Yeah. I get that. Blah blah blah. Team. You have to have a discernment mind.   Yeah. But Debbie sold it me to me tonight   on that idea. And,   anything we know the problem is there's too many people that trust the government. Like you said, it was just gonna be for,   buying a house or getting work. It's already changed in the last week. There's so many more factors that have been added to it. Yeah. And we know that that's how they start. And   yeah.  



[01:54:47] Unknown:

Also please Slowly tight slowly, slowly tighten the thumbscrews. You know, I'll tell you something else, Shelley. You know, I signed I had I signed up because my connection was so bad. My internet connection was so bad. I signed up to this fiber that's been rolled out across the county.   Not gonna give away any names, but the this this fiber network was rolled out across the county,   fiber optic for Internet,   and phone lines and blah blah blah blah blah.   Heavily subsidized by private money as well as government money,   so that they can obviously roll out fight you know, because, obviously, they want everyone in rural communities to be able to download four k movies at the speed that they can watch them and all that kind of thing. That's really important to the government, obviously.  

You know? But I I I looked at my bill the other day just to make sure that it hadn't changed. I get a separate email address for my business and blah blah blah blah blah. And I looked looked through, and I thought, oh, I'll just check the bill from my ISP.   And,   what wasn't shock I I I was shocked when I looked at it, but it wasn't the price that shocked me. The price was exactly as as I'd agreed, and that was what I expected. What shocked me   is that I had an account number   at the top of the page,   then I had my name,   and then I simply had underneath address,   UK.  



[01:56:12] Unknown:

Right.  

[01:56:13] Unknown:

Well, so the implications of that is is that I'm already on a global network on a global system, and it doesn't matter that of the minutiae of exactly where I live in The UK because I'm already trackable and traceable   simply by the account number. But the fact is my billing invoice   states that I simply live in The UK,   area number one or whatever. You know?  

[01:56:38] Unknown:

Yeah. Area number two, whatever they end up as in maybe a little line. Hundreds of databases. You know? They've got all your I do a lot of online shopping.   I got my Tesco Club card. Tesco Club card. Yes, Maleficas. Tesco Club card. And   and that's what I mean. It's like I'm not,   I'm not Unless this is double speak. They call it a loyalty card. They call it a loyalty card. Not the Tesco's rant. No. You are right. You are right. But I've got my club card, and I get those deals because I've got it. Alright?  

[01:57:11] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:57:12] Unknown:

So you can, like, pay twice as much somewhere else for certain things. Alright? Well, as long as I'm supporting local business  

[01:57:20] Unknown:

as long as I'm supporting local business, I don't see that as a problem.  

[01:57:24] Unknown:

No.   You know? Good. It doesn't it doesn't bother me to that extent. And this is why I've been, like even when Debbie left me that voice note, and I thought, do you know what? I'm just so in the midst of it. I can see where it could go, but I'm also seeing what they're saying.   And she's just pushed me further to now. I'm like, yeah. I'll be there in December. I'll be there with you, girl. Yeah.  

[01:57:44] Unknown:

But Yeah. Well, I'll come and give you guys a hand. Definitely. I'll go I'll go and talk to some people because, you know, people just you know, that's one of my favorite things as they always say. It's just planting seeds with the public. Yeah. Go out and and you know, this it comes back to home education as well. Is it how do you get your teach your kids to   learn at home? You teach them how to teach themselves   and take an interest.   And so all you've really got to do is inspire them in some way, shape, or form.   And most of the time, as I I I've said it many times on air before, but most of the time, my favorite phrase is   is to people that I've never met before. You know, it's funny. If every country in the world is in debt,   who are they in debt to?  

It's a seed worth planting.  

[01:58:29] Unknown:

It is. It is, isn't it?   And that question, I mean, it's just crazy, isn't it, when we could just print money? There's no need for it at all.   Wait. If you think of the simple solution,   just print some money, pay off every country. Let's just start again.   Yeah. It's not hard.  

[01:58:46] Unknown:

Let's let's wipe the debt, but then we won't have any control over anyone. We won't have any control over anyone if we wipe the debt. Anyway, look. We're coming to the end of the show, Shelley. We got   just over a minute left,  

[01:58:59] Unknown:

including the outro. So, Okay. Right. Well, I'll be quick. Thank you, listeners.   You've been listening to the Shelley Tasker Show on radiosoapbox.com   with my awesome cohost, mister Scott. You can also find me on Rumble, and I have started uploading a bit to YouTube.   But, yeah. Thank you, mister Scott. It's been a really good couple of hours.  

[01:59:17] Unknown:

It's been an absolutely fantastic show.   Thanks to Debbie for coming on, and catch you guys next week.