The Shelley Tasker Show

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Broadcasts live every Wednesday at 7:00p.m. uk time on Radio Soapbox: http://radiosoapbox.com

In this episode of the Shelley Tasker Show, Shelley returns after a hiatus, bringing her lively spirit back to the airwaves. Joined by co-host Mr. Scott, they discuss the joys and challenges of summer, the transition to autumn, and the excitement of being back on the show. Shelley shares her recent adventures,  and a controversial fine for taking her child out of school for a holiday. The conversation delves into the intricacies of school fines, homeschooling, and the broader implications of government regulations on personal freedoms.

Later in the episode, the discussion shifts to a more serious tone as Sean Surplus joins the show to provide a firsthand account of a recent police shooting incident in Australia. Sean shares the tense atmosphere in his area, the media's portrayal of the event, and the community's response. The episode also touches on historical family connections, the importance of mindset and personal convictions, and a variety of musical interludes from the Pure Original Archive, offering listeners a blend of lightheartedness and serious reflection.

[00:01:09] Unknown:

Good evening, mister Scott.  

[00:01:13] Unknown:

Good evening, missus Tasker.  

[00:01:15] Unknown:

How the hell are you?  

[00:01:18] Unknown:

I'm not quite sure. I'm a bit bewildered. It's been a bit of a long time, you see.  

[00:01:23] Unknown:

It has. And I was like, are you doing the intro? Am I doing the intro?   We're organized as ever. Well, it's the Shelley Tasker Show, so I I figured you'd be doing the intro. Okay. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Shelley Tasker Show coming live out of radiosoapbox.com.   It's good to have your company.   It's good to be back, I think.   Today's date is Wednesday, August   27,   and I'm here with the wonderful host stroke cohost, mister Scott.  

[00:01:54] Unknown:

Good evening again, mister Scott. Good evening. It's really, really lovely to have you back, I have to say. How are you? Bless you. Yeah. I'm really good. Thank you. Really good. It's good to be back, actually, but I've been sat here for the last, like, half an hour, like, tummy in knots, like, excited but nervous. It's been, like, a few months, I believe. It it's been I've kind of lost track, actually. I've I've gotta be honest. There's there's definitely sort of maybe 14 odd shows, I think. So you've had I'm not being funny. You have had what a lovely summer you have had to take hiatus.   It's been beautiful. It's been absolutely stunning.  



[00:02:30] Unknown:

No stress. No stress. It's been lovely, and we've always got to talk about the weather, haven't we? But, I mean,   today is I do believe today is the first day of autumn.   You know, when I I did a sleep at work last night, and when I got back to my car this morning, there were leaves on it. And, of course, we had the thunderstorm, and I've actually got socks on today, and I've been in my flip flops. I know. I've been in my flip flops for about four months. So,   back to reality.  

[00:02:59] Unknown:

Yeah. Back to life. Back to reality. Flip flops rule out the end of summer. Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, the thing is, it's still incredibly warm. I mean, it's it's been, consistently warm all summer. It it's been not it's not been one of those because it's been years. It wasn't since COVID lockdowns, right, that we had balmy evenings that you could literally sit out until, like, eleven at night   and it'd still be warm.   And it's been like that. This year, it's been lovely. It's been really, really nice.  

[00:03:29] Unknown:

Good. Good. I'm just checking my sound is okay because   mister English has messaged and said that you're echoing and coming out of my speakers. So I've just turned it down,   and hopefully that's alright. Yeah. That's This is what I love about live radio. I haven't missed this one bit. You really have. Not the stress of things working   and, you know Nonsense.  

[00:03:51] Unknown:

Nonsense. Well, I've had   quite a few,   good shows in your absence. Been covering a lot of,   my websites.   My I had a a website called pureoriginal.com,   with that I used to host lots of different artists and stuff. And,   yeah, I've been going trolling back through some of that. I mean, there's loads and loads of songs. There's probably a few more I'm gonna stick on this evening actually in between bits and bobs.   But so I've been going through a bit of that.   I've stumbled across all sorts of stuff to do with my granddad.   A letter between TS Eliot. You've heard of TS Eliot, obviously.  

Yeah. He's the famous poet. And Ezra Pound, you may or may not have heard of. He's equally, if not more famous.   A letter between, TS Eliot and Ezra Pound discussing an article that my granddad wrote.   And, at the end of at the end of the letter, TS Eliot writes to Ezra Pound.   You know, how do you know he wants to hear from me passing the time of day? In short, does he want to know me? And I'm just thinking, wow. This is TS Eliot. Like, you know what I mean? Obviously, in in hindsight, you know, it's he he became   very big, TS Eliot. But,   so stumble across that. Also,   this is of,   real big interest to me and probably nobody else in the entire world   other than a handful of people. But as you know, granddad served in the Boer War.  

And I went out to visit my uncle a few year a few months back,   a couple of months back now. And he said, you know, I used to have   a whole album of photographs   of his time in the Boer War that he took because he was an officer during the Boer War.   And he he took a he took a Kodak camera with him, like, probably like a box brownie or something. I don't know what they were.   But, apparently, it was quite a common thing.   And then he   said, I wish he knew what happened to them. Well, he moved into South Africa. He moved to South Africa when I was a little kid, and he he moved away again when I was   well, it would have been about 02/2012,   something like that.  

And he moved a couple of times when he was over there. And the first place they got over there was huge, and they had a lot of stuff to get rid of on their next move. And   it looks like either he or my aunt have overlooked this book,   and it's got auctioned off with a load of furniture and all the stuff that they considered was junk.   So, anyway, I'm I'm doing a troll as I do here and there every so often. Going down a rabbit hole? Yeah. Well, I'm always, always hunt because there's always new stuff coming up about him as the years go on. So I'm always doing little hunts for granddad online.   And I think I use Webcrawler   on this particular occasion, and it came up with an auction that took place in 2020   in South Africa   of of that photo album.  

288   photographs,   all described and handwritten underneath in my granddad's hand. So I'm in the process at the moment   of I've got in contact with the auction the the people that auctioned it off. It went for   $956.  

[00:07:02] Unknown:

So Wow.  

[00:07:04] Unknown:

Was that for just that was for the album? That was for the album. Yeah. Right. For the whole, you know, the the whole kit and caboodle. I I don't know whether they knew anything about my granddad, but the fact is whoever spent the money on it   had a vested interest in preserving that as a document,   for whatever reason.   So I've been in contact with the auctioneer   and said, look. Yeah. Explained the score and said, look. You know, these went missing years ago. How often family history must get lost in that way?   But, you know, I've gathered loads of stuff to do with Granddad over the last fifteen, sixteen years that I've been really on the on the ball with it all. And   I just sort of offered up a, you know, you know, would you be prepared to at least share viewing of it so and I can share other artifacts and stuff. So I've I've put the feelers out. We'll see what happens. I'm hoping,   in a month or two, I might have, you know, sort of scans of the actual   photo album.  

That's my ideal thing. Yeah. Because I I can't afford them. I'm not rich. I can't to, you know, offer him more than he paid for it. I couldn't even offer him what he paid for it. You know? So,   yeah. But, yeah. So that's been a really quite exciting journey that I've been on over the last couple of weeks.  

[00:08:20] Unknown:

Oh, good. Yeah. It sounds much more fun   than mine because,   obviously, I went on my lovely hollibobs, but then I had the infliction and pain of opening the letter with the whole dreaded fine in it.   Oh, what fine? The fine for taking him out of school to go on holiday for a week.   So you get a £80  

[00:08:44] Unknown:

fine, both parents. Of a rent coming on. Sorry. Carry on.  

[00:08:50] Unknown:

On. Well, I knew it was probably coming,   and I didn't bother asking for permission because the plan was that I was just gonna phone him in sick every day. I didn't even really think about it, to be honest with you.   And, of course, he told everybody he was going on holiday.   And the first day, I think I emailed babes. Oh.   And, you know, he would have come back very brown. So I think I emailed the first day and said, oh, he he's got an ear infection. The next day, he had a stomach pug. And the next day, I mean, I was just totally taking the mic. I was gonna put, he's got COVID.   And then,   then I had an email back saying, we're you know, we've been led to believe that you're currently on holiday, blah blah blah.  

So I kind of like, how can I deny it?' I did make a phone call when I got home and I just said, 'Now what, what can I expect?' I said, 'Is, is there any way I can speak to the head teacher?' Because there's a bit of confusion about who puts in the fine? The fine have got to let the council know.   So   I've been in two minds. Do I fight this fine,   or do I pay it like a happy little citizen?  

[00:09:55] Unknown:

Oh, now, you know, I'd be kind of up for the adventure   myself   I am. Really because,  

[00:10:02] Unknown:

well, no. Go on. You want to say anything? Well, I am, and I was, I've gone until the September   16.   Okay? If I don't pay it by the September 16,   then it goes up to a £160.   And then if I don't pay VAT within another four weeks, it goes up to a £360   and then you face prosecution and court.   So   I'm like, right. This gives me something to get my teeth stuck into.   So I found a Facebook group called,   Stop the School Find Scandal,   and I I was thinking about it and I was thinking, wouldn't it be wonderful to, like, learn the laws and legislations   because I'm sure there's nooks and crannies in it all Of course they do.  

And potentially take this all the way.   But if you still lose,   then your fine is £2,500.   Well, obviously, I haven't got £2,500.   So I thought there's so many people fighting it. If we worked together with, like, a team of people,   we we just collaborated all the information, perhaps we could go in at a different angle, and you never know, you might just win.   So I put all of this on there, and I said, you know, the possibility of doing a crowdfund. I said, when it was COVID times, I crowdfunded   £3,000   to fight, you know, and we set the precedent. We won the court case.   So   I put that on their Facebook page   and, oh, god. I'll tell you what. These bunch of fannies, Maleficus,   they're like some of they were like,   nobody has ever won it, and they're putting links up to people that have ended up paying £30,000   from it and stuff like that. And a couple of people were really narky because I mentioned the crowdfund. They were saying, oh, so you think it's alright to get the bill and get everybody else to pay it for you? And I was like, no. You're missing the point. I said, if we actually went ahead and won it and everybody, like, gave £2   to fight that cause,   I would be like, yeah. Okay. I'm gonna go for it. But the thought of actually coming out with a 2 and a half thousand pound fine,   it is because what they'll do is they'll just take it out of your wages. Yes. It's prohibited. Before. This whole system is is prohibitive.  



[00:12:12] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. Now let's not let's let's break it down a little set a little minute.   What are you what would you actually be paying for?   So there has to be, as of course with the council tax, surely there has to be a liability of debt. Right?   So   what would you actually be paying for? I'll tell you what you would be paying for. In reality,   you'd be reimbursing   the council.   Yep.   The the money   or a small amount of the money or maybe more   money. I don't know what the percentage is, but you'd be reimbursing the council   for the fact that they'd funded the school or academy or whatever secondary school wherever he is.  

You would be re reimbursing the council for the fact that they've already paid the funding for x amount of pupils   that are expected to be there   no less than 78%   of the time. I know the schools tell you otherwise, but it drops below 78%,   and then they start throwing,   officers at you and all that kind. I've been down this road because, obviously, I've had two daughters that have been homeschooled.   Yeah. Yeah. So that's what you would actually be funding.   But as you can as you   potentially could say, well, that money's already been paid.   You know? And as long as as long as you're see, this is the thing.  

They get paid. They don't get paid for results   at all at all. Yeah. If you get good results,   fine. You look great on Ofsted, and more people want to come to you, and therefore, you will end up with   more or maximum funding from the local council because your school will be at capacity.   But, you know, they don't get paid for results. They simply get paid for bums on seats. No different to care homes,   hospitals,   you know, all these different sort of establishments.   So it begs the question where the liability of debt is because the money's already been paid.   And surely, the education   is supposed to be, you know, as long as he's up to scratch on Yeah. Yeah. That's the rules, but  

[00:14:21] Unknown:

No. An education   is offered to everybody.  

[00:14:25] Unknown:

It's offered freely to everybody. It's not free. To education. Yes. It's offered at free at the point of delivery, but it's not free at the point of, conception.  

[00:14:36] Unknown:

So at the point of delivery  

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for you because you're a tax paying person. Your child can go to school. Even if you're not a tax paying person, your child can go to school.   But the fact of the matter is is is that that it's it's this is to do with government subsidies   and,   having   a percentage of time of your child's,   childhood that they've that they have personally got to indoctrinate you. That's how I feel about it. Yeah. You know? Yeah.  

[00:15:07] Unknown:

It's supposed to be aimed at those people that don't bother putting their children in school and such like like that. You know? And lots of them because I think you're allowed 10 sessions, which is basically five days   for absence.   But looking into this now and, I mean, I've got pages here next to me now, and I'm gonna have a really good look in the next couple of weeks before I make that decision. And with life, you know, certain things going on and stuff, it's like, have I got the time, the input, the energy to fight this? Mhmm.   And lots of the people in that group were really supportive.  

Yeah, go for it. Other people said, I'm gonna excuse me. Other people said, I'm gonna fight my fine. So I've got a list of people to speak to. And I mean, to be fair, it is gonna be a lot of hard work and learning, and I've so far, I've been finding it fascinating.   But these groups there set to supposedly help you, somebody put a laughing face   at my comment.  

[00:16:01] Unknown:

Then somebody went to my page and did a screenshot of something I'd written because I said my child is my property. And if  

[00:16:04] Unknown:

you   I'd written, and if you go under the Common Law Act, he he is. He's my property.   Yeah. And, anyway, it just started a bit of a bitch fest. And then someone came on board. They acted into the group and basically warriors. Good old school board. And one bay and I thought, god, this reminds me of COVID times, doesn't it? I said, this is supposed to be a support group where we can all share ideas, help each other out.   And then one lady said, well, actually, the aim of this group is to change the legislation.   I thought, oh, you bunch of fannies.  

You could be waiting forever, always writing to MPs and stuff like that.   So they've now turned the comments off on the post anyway.  

[00:16:47] Unknown:

I was like, oh my god. We can't have that horrible Shelley Tasker commenting on that. I know. I know. No. Definitely not. No. Oh, dear.   Let's not let's not also you know, don't forget also that, you know, really,   it's not just about bums on seats for the,   an indoctrination.   It's it's literally   it's taking it's it's putting a lot of stuff in in front of your child that you would never normally   have there.   You know, in normal circumstances   I know. I've like I say, we've homeschooled both our our daughters.   And,   you know, the the results, I have to say, have been fantastic. And we've not been the best homeschoolers   at all,   I would say.  

But but yeah.   Well, anyway, look.   I'm gonna break this up for a for a sec with a with a little song. And this one's for you, Shelley.   Oh.  

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You'll like it. Fantastic. I hope.  

[00:17:45] Unknown:

Welcome back.   Your dreams were your ticket.   I   welcome back   to the same old place that you laughed about.   Well, the new names have all changed since you hung around,   but those dreams have remained and they've turned around.   You'd have thought   Welcome back.   And I smile, and I think how you bust a bill.   And I know what a scene you were learning in.   Was there   And I know what a scene you were learning in.  

[00:20:23] Unknown:

Oh, what a lovely touch. There you go. Welcome. Oh, that's so lovely. I was, like, digging side to side. Might might be the odd welcoming party coming on this evening for you. I don't know. I've I've got someone in the sidelines here. Hang on a minute.   Is is that mister Patrick?  

[00:20:41] Unknown:

Hey. Hello. Am I coming through?  

[00:20:44] Unknown:

Hello, mister Sharp. Clear.  

[00:20:46] Unknown:

Is it too noisy?   Did you hear   Oh, good.   Cool. I've got my hands free headset on. I'm at work. And I just thought   I'd pipe in a little bit   and say that, I think, Shelley, you should homeschool.   I think that's the only way.  

[00:21:02] Unknown:

I think that's the best way. He starts secondary school next week, Patrick.   And,   we'll see we'll see how it goes. It's a tough call. Yeah. Any problems, and I will take him out, you know.   It's definitely on well, it's definitely out there. It's always been in my mind and my work I'm doing now, like doing sleeps, I'll be here during the day. So it will all work. I'm just gonna go with the flow, but I won't hesitate to take him out if there's any problems at school. But unfortunately,   you've gotta be in that sort of system to pay the fine if you don't if they don't attend. Yeah. How much is the fine again? It's £80.   So that's for both parents as well.  

Yeah.  

[00:21:45] Unknown:

Yeah. You're almost better off taking the fine than trying to fight it if you're gonna get in $30,000  

[00:21:51] Unknown:

debt. Yeah. I know I am, but I'm just niggled.   Yeah.   But anyway, I'm gonna do some research and I'll I'll go with the flow. If it feels right I'll know. I will pray on it Patrick. That's,   I've turned into one of those people. If you've got something   loitering or bugging you just pray with it, go with it. So I've got a couple of weeks. Good idea. That's the best thing you can do. Yeah. It's nice to hear your voice anyway.  

[00:22:16] Unknown:

Oh, yeah. It's good to hear your voice after all these weeks. All these weeks, all these months. Yeah.  

[00:22:23] Unknown:

Welcome back. Thank you. Thank you. It's good to be  

[00:22:27] Unknown:

back. So, we we've got this is sorry to bring you back into the shooting show, Shelley.   Yeah.   But   Minneapolis   has had another school shooting,   doesn't it? Do do you Oh, I don't know. Could could you do you know much about this, Patrick? You that being your more I'm hearing reports. I heard about it this morning,  

[00:22:48] Unknown:

and apparently, it took place during a mass at church   because it's a Catholic school   attached to a   church. All of the children were were at mass   and   there was a shooting. Two children are dead, one eight years old, the other 10, and then there there were 18 others who were injured   and   they don't know exactly who the shooter is. I'm just hearing reports about that who's suspect,   and they're saying it's a   cross dressing   fellow.   Let's put it that way. A cross dressing fellow?  

[00:23:31] Unknown:

So I take I take it they were wearing   something not very  

[00:23:36] Unknown:

while they were doing it. Well, that's the allegation. Don't don't   consider that to be proven, but that's what I've been hearing.  

[00:23:45] Unknown:

Wow. So, so also in in Australia, they've had a shooting as well. Couple of couple of police dead.   And I heard from Sean Surplus earlier today while I got an email off of him,   that, you know, he's been basically been up all night keeping watch because they've not caught the guy.  

[00:24:03] Unknown:

Oh, really? Where where did this take place in Australia? Close close to him as far as I know.  

[00:24:09] Unknown:

He's gonna come on, because Shelley   sadly, Shelley can only stay with us until about half eight this evening. If you need to get off any earlier, darling, do.  

[00:24:18] Unknown:

Yeah. I should just be gone out the door at 08:30.   Every other week, that will have to be because of my new working regime. Yes. Well, you can fill us in on that in a in a little while. Oh, it's alright. It's nothing exciting. Well yeah.  

[00:24:30] Unknown:

Yeah. So,   so he's gonna pop on about half past eight. He set his alarm. He's, gonna pop on about half past eight and fill us in on the details. So,   yeah. You've you've come back on the shooting show, Shelley.  

[00:24:43] Unknown:

Crikey.   Yeah. How sad. This world is such a sad place, isn't it?  

[00:24:49] Unknown:

How much it has fallen? How much it's fallen? I, I don't know whether you caught any of the shows in the previous weeks because I know you've been taking time off. And to be honest, when you take time off, it's nice and not to,   not to, you know, engage in any of it and literally just have time off. But one of the shows I covered,   the book I talked about a book that I've just got called The Unknown Warriors, and, it was it was   a a correlation of of   letters that this this guy put, a post into the,   all the local newspapers. He was a World War two vet quite high up in the military,   and he sent,   letters out to every publication that would print them asking for people's experiences   if they served for the British Army or the Air Force or the Navy or whatever,   what their experiences were, where they served, a bit of what it was like, and what they think of the country   today. I'll tell you what, it's a fascinating read.  

Absolutely   fascinating   read when you realize what they were told when they went out   to how the world has turned up, like, sixty, seventy years later. It's,   dreadful.   So, yeah, how far the world has fallen? And, you know, these school shootings,   we go back to the whole Dunblane thing, which,   helped   Dunblane and what was the other one that took place that that put the kibosh on owning any kind of arms in this country.   Before, you could just apply for a gun license. Now you need a reason to apply for a gun license.   And it was very, very good at disarming the the public, the whole thing. You know? Oh, well, I don't think people should,   your own firearms, etcetera, etcetera.  

Whereas, you know,   guns don't kill people. People kill people.   And it doesn't stop criminals, as we see, getting hold of guns anyway.   So,   yeah.   Again, I think this this whole thing is One one thing about this current  

[00:26:44] Unknown:

shooting,   Maleficus,   is that it reminds me a lot of the Christchurch   shooting, mass shooting that took place in the mosque in New Zealand. Oh, really? The the same type of   the same type   of, you know, they they had a religious hatred of the the religion that they were shooting up,   and   all of the different paraphernalia of the weapons   with sayings painted in white on the   the the guns and the magazines   if this allegation is true  

[00:27:16] Unknown:

if this allegation is true about who did it Yeah. And what I've been seeing. I mean, that I'd be interested to know if that is the case purely because,   you know, obviously, that Christchurch shooting,   I can't possibly   say, you know, airing out of The UK that it was a false flag or anything like that. But,   you know, there were certain times when that guy was pulling, pulling the trigger, and, he was shooting through windows and the windows weren't   breaking. That was in his own car at close range. So that was I I saw that footage and that footage was made unavailable.   It even   I uploaded it, I think, onto my email to send it out to people who hadn't seen it. And the email disappeared from my,   from my list.  

So I know they didn't want that video going out to people. I think I still got a copy knocking around somewhere.   Probably on a hard drive stashed at a mate's place, you know. As with most of my archive is all stashed elsewhere.   But, yeah, crazy stuff. So,   anyway  

[00:28:19] Unknown:

It is. And I don't know how how much you know about it going on, Maleficus, because I know you don't,   go on social media and stuff, and I'm sure you get your news from places.   But,   have you seen what's been going on with the whole operation   raise the colors, the whole flag flying? Yes. I have. It's very interesting.  

[00:28:39] Unknown:

Very interesting indeed.  

[00:28:41] Unknown:

It's all I had my flag yesterday from my window proud.  

[00:28:46] Unknown:

Good. Good. And there's no reason not to. There's no reason not to. But it just you know, I always I say and I'm so cynical. We can we can talk about this afterwards because because my sister's hung a flag as well. I know various people. There's there's various flags flying around the village. So,   I know people are jumping on board with it even down here in Cornwall.   But it's interesting. I always say one thing, you know, when the revolution or whatever it is occurs, when we finally get rid of these people, whoever they may be,   pulling the strings,   We have to be very mindful of who's at the head of the cavalry charge   in case we get taken down another rabbit hole.  

So,   anyway, look, with that in mind, we've had,   quite a few, emails into the show, Shelley, regarding one band I've played, from my pure original archive.   Oh, okay.   You know, it's it's also a favorite of mister Von Kurtz.   But I received another email this week saying, really love that song that you played last week. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.   So   just just for a treat for those listeners if they've tuned back in,   here is another one from the band n seven,   and this one's called Prime. And we will catch you guys   after the break. Enjoy. Enjoy. It's quite lively, this one. Good.  

Thank god. I did tell you it was quite lively.  

[00:33:07] Unknown:

Crikey.  

[00:33:09] Unknown:

Welcome back folks. You're listening to the Shelley Tasker Show on ladyofsoapbox.com.   Things have changed slightly in my absence. That got that got that got you all out of your chairs though for a bit, even if it was just to put the headphones down.   No. I'm very passionate.   The the other the other song that he's done is is is a lot more melodic melodic than that one.   I'll play it on another,   another week. I don't wanna keep repeating the same same tunes each week, but,   yeah. I'll I'll play you that one at some point. It's it's a lot more melodic and,   yeah. But still it's got the same sort of grit. So I hope that one's gone down well. I've got one other version of one other tune by that guy   that he uploaded to the website.  

So maybe we'll get to playing that at some point as well in future weeks.   Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And, yeah. If as I always say, if there is anyone that, wants to re hear any of the tunes that I do play off of the pure original archive, then just drop me an email or drop Shelley an email.   [email protected]   for me, ma,ll,ificus,ma,ll,[email protected].   So,  

[00:34:21] Unknown:

Great stuff. Great stuff. Or myself here, [email protected].   Do drop a line. Yeah. Do drop a line. Yeah. Do drop a line. And if there if there's anybody out there as well that, like, has got an interesting conversation,   you know, I I think I've found somebody that wants to come on next week just just for a short while. Yeah. Not a full on hour or anything, but just to talk about his fight of finding a house. And I've known this guy for a couple of years   and randomly   we met at a salsa dancing class a couple of years ago   and we were dancing and he was teaching   and he said,   I know who you are. Anyway, I have to tell him off now every time I go because he keeps talking   about what's going on in the world and I'm like, I'm not getting any better because you keep talking to me. So you need to zip it.  

Anyway, I went to a big barbecue this Saturday gone and it was for all like the so called awake people, lots of the groups in our area. There's about 40 odd people there. It was brilliant.   We played rounders. We just had so much fun and he was there and he was telling me about how he's looking into getting a house for basically under the squatter's rights.   Very interesting.   And I said, oh oh, you need to come on and we need to chat more about it. Well, that's interesting.  

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A yeah. No. Definitely get him on. Definitely. I mean, obviously, housing housing is a big thing purely because, you know, obviously,   we're we're we're housing immigrants everywhere, and we've still got our own homeless people on the street. I mean, what's what's with that? Surely, that's it. So many Yeah. Empty properties.  

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Yeah. We had a brief chat about it, but he said, yeah. I'd be happy to come on. But Oh, brilliant. Yeah. It it was wonderful. And I tell you what was so funny. I got a taxi home. It's only a couple of miles up the road. It was actually, you know, our friend's Graham. It was his barbecue.   Oh, good. And this this taxi driver was foreign. Normally it matters. And he was like, where have you been tonight then? And I'll say, you know, been to a party with all the outlaws.   With all the You know, all the people that yeah. All the people that don't pay their council tax and things like that. And   I quote, this is what he said to me. Do you know what it's down to? And I said, what? Down to the Jew.  

I was in stitches. Is that what he said? That's what he said.   And then he started going on about the digital ID and the banking system and stuff, and he pulled over. He was like, anyway, I've got to go. Lovely to meet you.  

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Wow.   Wow. Yeah. Evasive. Yeah. I mean, I'm actually, the   my local kebab house, man, actually because I do I it's a guilty pleasure. Right? But I do enjoy the odd filthy kebab.   Oh, you gotta love a dirty kebab. You gotta yeah. I mean, I've even put them in in Charles' phone as filthy babbage   because that's   just because every oh, go on and I'll give in you temptress. You, you know?   But   I went in there one day,   and,   he was moaning about because they only take cash because it costs them a ridiculous amount to bank digitally   each month. They pay more you pay more to bank digitally than you do just to drive to the bank   and deposit the money yourself. So they only take cash there.  

Fair enough. Absolutely fair enough. And he said it, but he made a very, very similar statement,   to yourself. He said, you know, and and he I think he he pulled out a quote from a famous dictator. He said, under every rock, if you turn over every rock, you will find one.   And then when he gave him my kebab, he said, don't trust the handles. And then he made some some connection with them and their and their ethnic   connection, that they were made by whatever, you know. So, anyway, being very careful what I say, but you get the gist. I get the gist.   So, yeah, I mean, it's it's amazing who, you know, a lot a lot of people   have a great idea about the banking system. They they know that everything is it's it's debt slavery. They they know it. It's just they don't see a way out. You know? No. No. And I get it. I get it. We're all caught in in the same thing.  

But I think do you know what it really starts with? Doesn't start   with anyone but yourself and your   mindset   and how you're prepared to deal with things. And do you do you know what, Cheryl? I've been dying to talk to you about this. You said to me the other week, have you seen   Hacksaw Ridge?  

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Mhmm.  

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And you watched it, didn't you? You watched it in its entirety, did you? I did. I did. I loved it.   So what was the main thing you took from that film?   Obviously, brave guys getting blown to bits and all that kind of thing. But what was the main thing you took from that film?  

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That he just stood up for his beliefs that he wouldn't let anyone bear him down.   And the fact that when everyone had left, he kept going back and saving people. And, actually, he was the bravest  

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of them all when he didn't have a gun. Yeah. Now what what really I took away from that film more than anything   actually, there's two things I took away from that film. One of them, Patrick will be rather amused about.   But the other thing the main thing I took away is   it's the mindset. It's the courage of your convictions.   And even when his own platoon were beating the crap out of him   And,   you know, the drill sergeant eventually said, alright. Come on then. Who was it that beat you up? He said, oh, don't know. I sleep pretty heavy.   You know, he said, but it's certainly not what I signed up for.  

You know? And   and even his wife at one point or his wife to be said, oh, look, you know, just   just drop it. You're gonna end up in in prison and and you won't be able to help anyone then.   And that was the bit of the film. Actually, I have to say, like, made me choke a little bit. It was just the fact that he turned around and said, but if I if I do that, I'll not be the person  

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that you know. I'll not be the main. Made all my hair stand up on end. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Very powerful. And she and she wept afterwards because she knew she'd asked of him something that,   you know, you should never ask of anyone. And and I think the very fact that people ask certain things, even even if it's gradually through the education system, they ask them to accept things that would would otherwise be, you know, otherwise be totally unacceptable.   Yep. This is about,   you know, because Paul English often talks about the way to move forward and, you know, the way to   just really kind of ignore the system and work another way around. You know, we should be working out how we want to live, not living under this sort of oppressive umbrella of things.   And it starts with the mindset. It starts with the courage of your convictions. Does it not? And that's that for that film,   that I thought that was an absolutely fantastic film, particularly the interviews at the end with, actually, you know, Desmond Doss. So just to fill anyone in that's not seen the film,   He,   he was Seventh day   Adventist,   carried his Bible everywhere with him, refused to carry a a gun,   and   when he was, you know, went through hell for it, ended up, you know, nearly being court martialed and imprisoned for the war. You know, he got beaten up by his platoon mates, all that kind of thing.  

When Push came to shove, he actually stayed up, you know,   in the middle of absolute hell to rescue a full 75   guys on his own. Actually, if you if you if you clock the count up, it was 77 guys, but two of them were Japanese.  

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And did you notice the part   you know, when they were tying ropes at the start and Yeah. The major had a go at him and said, who is that gonna save? What is that gonna do? It's too loose or what have you. But I noticed when he was lowering people and saving people, he was using that exact  

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same Yes. That he told was rubbish. Yes. I don't know whether that's a truism or whether it was done for sort of, you know, I don't I don't know the story that well. But, Patrick, if you can hear me, the one thing that you'll be amused about   is   when they leave basic training and they all get sent off and it it pans to where they they're on the on the island of Iwo Jima because it's all about the Battle of Iwo Jima.   And,   it's it's either Iwo Jima or,   yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Iwo Jima. I'm pretty sure it's Iwo Jima. It's a Mel Gibson film. I'm not mistaken. That's the one. So when they first get there, they're all marching to their to their point of origin or to their point of you know, they've they've just, disembarked from the boats, and they're walking to where they've got set off.   And what's the tune that somebody's singing while they're marching?  

Can you remember  

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if you've seen the film? I I never saw the film.  

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Okay. So this this will amuse you, Patrick, and you'll recognize the lyrics straight away. Someone's walking along as they're marching, and he's singing,   uncle Sam is mild as peaceful as a child.   Don't ever get him mad or you will rue   it. And there's some other guy going, shut up. Everyone's everyone's   a comedian. Shut up. And he carries on singing and carries on singing. But it pans away from the singing before he gets to the chorus. And the chorus is, Patrick   Yep. We're gonna have to slap the dirty little jab. There you go. One of the one of the tunes that we cove covered on the, political propaganda. So they didn't play the entire  

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they didn't give the entire lyric to the song loses its potency.  

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Yeah. Because it But anyone that's in the popular culture,   they didn't want that to happen. No. But anyone that's in the know watching that film can hear the reactions of the guys in the platoon of the guy that's singing it. And they're all telling him to shut up Yeah. And and everyone's a bloody comedian, aren't they? You know? Yeah.   So I thought that was a really interesting little take, of the film.   So for me, I was just like, I recognize that. Where's where's those lyrics from? Oh my goodness. It's that song.   I'll see. If I've got it,   uploaded here on one of the different things, I'll I'll see if I can play it.  



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Yeah.   Yeah. I didn't I did not know that. I haven't seen that film.  

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Well, it's in it's in Netflix at the moment. I don't know if you watch Netflix. Hacksaw Ridge. Really good.  

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Yeah. Yeah. I'll I'll have to actually watch that one. That's one I've been meaning to watch. It was made after he made the Patriot,   well after Braveheart.  

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Yeah. I mean, I have to say it's few movies. It's typical,   it's it's typical Hollywood to a certain extent.   I know Mel Gibson isn't necessarily Hollywood.   I know I I'm I've been told he funds all his own movies and this, that, and the other, but,   it's it's very   it's a very well done film. And I don't you know, I I don't watch films normally, and I thought, Shelley said, have I seen it? And I knew the story of Desmond Doss, but I I'd not seen the film. So it it was definitely very much well worth a watch. So thank you. When it's just one of those random things? Dear Darren, dare I say it, he just had a vasectomy that day. And we came back and I was like, I'm gonna find a nice film for us to watch. Yeah. Something something that will take away from his own pain. Yeah.  

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Did did it, did the film have, the character of Ira Hayes in it?   Oh, I don't know if you remember names? No. There's a there's a Johnny Cash song called Ira Hayes about Iwo Jima,   and it goes   something about drunken Ira Hayes. He don't answer anymore.   So anyway,   yeah, I don't know. I've never seen this film, but I've I remember when it came out and being like, well, that's something I'd watch, but I've never   bothered following through with it.  

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I mean, there is one ridiculous bit at the end where he's dragging his drill sergeant or or whoever it is along on a canvas because he's lost his legs. And the guy sat up on the canvas   capping off Japanese, like, you know, with with complete accuracy. And you think if you've been dragged along on a canvas with no legs, you'd be lucky just to keep their heads down, for goodness sake. So I think I think that was,   that was a little bit far fetched, but well done, Mel Gibson anyway, for   for giving it a go.   Oh, dear. Yeah. A nice, happy film. Right. I I'm so, Bear, I'm gonna switch,   profiles a sec. So I'm gonna have to bring you guys back in.  

Oh, no. I may not have to. I might have   the,   I might have the   slap the dirt little jack jack tune that we're talking about on that   Oh, Carson Robinson. Yeah. That's Yeah.   Where are we?  

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Is it here? He he was, known for doing he was known for can you hear me? Yes. Could could hear you? Sorry. Carry on.   Yeah.   Carson Robinson was, known for doing duets with Vernon Dalehart,   who was an early,   cowboy type singer,   who was actually he was funded by the Rothschild. I think he married a Rothschild,   if I'm not mistaken.  

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Oh, wow. So that there you go. Now there's this is gonna be an interesting thing. If anyone hasn't heard this song before, this is not us projecting our feelings. This is simply a a World War two propaganda tune to get the, public on the side of, going to war,   and obviously after Pearl Harbor. So,   here we go.   There it is. I reckon this is it. Ready, folks.  

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We're gonna have to slap the dirty little jap and uncle Sam's the guy who can do it.   We'll skin that streak of yellow from the sneaky little fellow, and he'll think the cyclone struck him when we're through it.   We'll take that double crosser to the old woodshed.   We'll start right on his bottom, and we'll go to his head. When we get done with him, he'll wish that he was dead. We've gotta slap a dirty little jab.   Uncle Sam's a man who's given a helping hand to many a foreign land. Don't forget it.   But when somebody goes to tromping on his toes, they'd better guard their nose or they'll regret it. We're gonna have to slap the dirty little   Jap, and uncle Sam's a guy who can do it.  

The Japs and all their hooey will be changed into chop suey, and the rising sun will set when we get through it.   Their alibi for fighting is to save their face.   For ancestors waiting in celestial   space,   we'll kick their precious face down to the other place. We gotta slap the dirty little gentleman.   We're going to have to slap the dirty little jack and uncle Sam's the guy who can do it.   I wouldn't fool you, mister. He can raise an awful blister and somebody's pants will burn before we're through it.   We'll reach across the ocean and grab that yellow jap and turn him upside down right on democracy's lap.   We'll blister his axis and do it with a snap. We gotta slap a dirty little jab.  

Uncle Sam is mild as peaceful as a child, but never get him riled or you will ruin.   So now they wanna fight. Well, they've bit off quite a bite, and uncle Sam is gonna make them chew it.   We're gonna have to slap the dirty little jack? And uncle Sam's a guy who can do it.   Because it really is a feature when he starts to be a teacher. We can show you several pupils who've been through it.   Uncle Sam believes in the golden rule.   But when he's double crossed, he's got a kick like a mule.   We're warning Hitler's too, but Sam's a fight.   We gotta slap the dirty little jack.  



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There you go. Mel Gibson's gonna be in my head now. I better not go around singing that.  

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That's the same record label. It's called Bluebird.   Bluebird was the record label, but it was actually Victor Records,   the same company that   started Abbey Road Studios there in London   and they had another tune   that was kind of like that mocking   type type parody song and it was something Disney used for one of his cartoons, and it was called fart in the furer furer's face.   If you find that one.  

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Yeah. I I was about to say how society generated in the degenerated in the last fifty years, but then you look at things like this and you realize that people were at it all that time ago.  

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They were savage.   They were savage. Yeah. Crazy. No doubt. Unfortunately.  

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Yeah.   Yeah.   So what was the other thing of, news I was looking at today?   Do do do.   Oh, no. UK news was boring.  

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Oh, okay. I found   I found something that I wanted to read out the other day because,   you know, Jeremy Corbyn started his new political party.  

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No. I didn't know that, but then I don't pay any attentions to these politicians.  

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So go on. He's been getting pushback from his own party too   already.  

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Yeah. Well, I was like, okay. Okay. This is interesting. I've known about it for a few weeks. Right? This is one of his tweets and I think   straight away he's gonna just   but there's not gonna be any voters. Right? This is what he says. The refugees of today are our doctors, carers, teachers, and neighbors of tomorrow.   Above all, they are human beings woven of compassion, dignity, and respect.  

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Oh, my word. Well, you know, these are   have you   have have many of you guys seen this Barnum World film that's been knocking about?  

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No. I've heard of it. Yeah. That's the one Paul was talking about, the legal man.   Yeah. Well He has a podcast called The Quash   that he plays often on soapbox.  

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Okay. Well, I tell you what,   the movie, if anyone hasn't   I've sent it out and it's done its rounds to various people, and they've all come back with a big thumb thumbs up. So Paul was talking about that the other day, hence I went and had a little look.  

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What's it called?  

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Barnam World, b a r n a m, World.   Barnam World. Barnam World. Okay. Alright. B a b a r n a m.   Okeydokey.   And, basically, the long and the short, you know, they get down to, you know,   he he asked the interviewer asked him, he says,   some of the things you've been talking about in interviews are Barnum statements. Can you describe what that is? And he he says, well, it's kind of a it's a statement that,   means   a lot to everyone,   but doesn't actually mean anything.   And he said, what like? He said, it's a nice day. He said, no. A nice day. It's a nice day. That's an ambiguous statement, and it can mean anything to anyone. He said, no. Things like   who's working for you,   or   we've got to pull together as a champion,   or we're gonna make America great again.  

And then it cuts to all these clips   from from   American elections back into the sixties   where every single campaign winner at some point in their campaign winning speeches have gone, we're gonna make   America  

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great again. We're gonna slap the dirty little jet. Yeah. Yeah.  

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It's on every single campaign. That same line is used on every single campaign, and then you still got all these idiots running around with MAGA caps. I mean, they could have manufactured those back in the sixties  

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if you go buy this. And so it all I'm gonna say is it's worth They play off the youth. They play they play off the youth not not knowing the previous generations. They they keep the generations   separate from each other   in their education   so that they don't pass on that historical   wisdom of what took place before.   All you have is your peer group that you   are raised with and then the teachers,   and you're like a a blank slate   or any of the historical knowledge. It's whatever the current regime wants you to learn, you learn,   but it's not passed on. I couldn't  

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have put that better myself, Patrick. You diamond. That was so eloquently and concisely put.   You're right. You're absolutely right. So Barnum World is definitely worth a watch   even if you're gonna send it to your normie parents,   folks. They will watch it, and maybe the penny will drop.   It's it's I I I I I can't say anything other than I really enjoyed it. So,   I I and I think it'll probably do more good in the world than it does harm. Let's put it that way, which is there's not many movies can you can say that about. So  

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I thought it was a reference to Barnum and Bailey's circus,   like like clown world or something. Well, it's a well I thought that's that meant I didn't know there was such a thing as a Barnum statement. Well, I don't I haven't seen it yet, so I don't Maybe there isn't. The first time I've ever heard of one is on the show, so maybe it's just been used in that context. I don't know.  

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But it was it was definitely worth a worth a watch. I I I don't endorse many films, but I have to say, yeah, I I've I've watched it a couple of times myself.   So   yeah.  

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I shall have a look. Always looking at something good to watch.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. And as I say, you can send it out to your normie parents, folks. They'll still be able to watch it and and take it on board. So,  

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I started watching a little bit of it. It it's not something,   like, that's too visually interesting. It's probably more something that you would listen to   than you would actually get from, like, a visual representation.   From what I remember, it was, like, someone   pretending to be a a film director being interviewed. I don't know if that was the entire movie. But Yeah. It is. But when you get when you get it coupled with the footage  

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of all, you know, of   of various politicians making various statements   broadcast, actually. The whole thing would work as a radio broadcast very well.   Maybe we should maybe we should speak to him and and get it aired for an hour and a half on radio soapbox. It'd be well worth it.   Yes. So,   in other world news,   rioters set fire to Swiss city after migrant killed in police chase.   Oh?   Well,   this this comes from the Telegraph an hour ago.   So sees two consecutive nights of violence with around 200 rioters clashing with a 140 police officers.   A teenage migrant died while fleeing police,   so they're kicking off.  

Why were the police chasing him? This would obviously be my first question.   I'm not about to pay for the Telegraph   to display the rest of their propaganda to me, so I couldn't tell you what the rest of the article is. I'll have a look on archive in a week's time, and it'll be on there.  

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That's so frustrating, isn't it? The amount of times I go on their site because I follow a link, and then it's like, you've got to subscribe to read the rest. It's like Yeah.  

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If you're very quick, actually, if you use something like OBS,   you can you can refresh the page by pressing f five and scroll down   and keep doing it and keep doing it. And if you record the whole thing on OBS, you can just pause the video and read the article   if it Yeah. Much to you. If if not, you can actually go on to archive.org   about   five, six days after the article's been   put up, and the paywall disappears because someone's archived it on archive.org.  

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There there are also options if you have an iPhone with Safari browser where you can get rid of elements.   You can make hide different elements, and you can actually read the paid subscription version because it hides the block of pop up ad.  

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That's   that's very handy to know.   That's very handy to know indeed.  

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It it's a hit and a miss,  

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though, unfortunately. Like a loophole.  

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Yeah. Everyone likes a loophole.   Right. Well, we're coming up to the top of the hour, Shelley.   Miss you, that that was a very quick first hour.  

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Well, I'm glad that you've enjoyed my company. I have. It's been it's been ages.  

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I think we'd have lots and lots of things to catch up on. We probably have, but it's probably just gonna spill out over the next few weeks, I guess.   We've been away camping a lot, which has been lovely at the weekends because the weather's been so nice, but we can get into some of that at a late date.   Just the fact you know, do you know what's so nice? Literally just getting away even if it's twenty minutes down the road,   setting up your little castle   because that's what it is. Let's face it. Set up your little castle   and sit there   and have no worries because they're all at least twenty minutes drive away, and you don't wanna get in the car. So you haven't got any worries. It's great, isn't it?  



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Oh, I've I've got the bug after that holiday. It's like I just wanna go again, but obviously not in term time.  

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No. It still works out cheaper to pay the fine than the prices that you would pay in the holiday. So Of course it does. Yeah. And look look, you know, the other point I was gonna bring up, actually, we're going slightly over the top of the hour. I'll play the break in a sec. But, the other point I was gonna bring up when you were talking about that, but I forgot to because we got sidetracked,   is that if every single person in Britain only took their kids on holiday   during the six weeks holiday,   the entire flipping country would grind to a standstill because there'd be nobody there to do any work.  

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Good point.  

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So   how they can penalize people? You know, if anything, you're helping the economy.  

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I   think that's one way to look at it. Yeah. Solution, I think. It's social engineering.  

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Of course it is.  

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Of course it is. We'll look we'll get into a bit of social engineering and   stuff   after the break. You're listening live, folks, to radiosoapbox.com.   And this is the Shelley Tasker Show, and she's back, folks. She's actually back. She's here this week.  

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Only for another half an hour though. Only for another half an hour. We've got we've got Sean Surplus coming on hopefully at the bottom of the show. Oh, that's gonna lower the tone, isn't it? I listened to that show last week. There were some bad, bad words said.   I That I did laugh my ass off.  

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It was it was the last you know, while the cat's away, the mice will play. Yeah. As you're saying, it was my last time in the playground, you see. So I had to go out with a bang.  

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Get the foul mouthed man on. You two though, you pounce off each other so well. I really enjoyed listening to last week's show. Sean is just a a live Sean,  

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I don't I think Sean can go on to any show and just make the whole show live because he's just such a lively character.   Anyway, look,   this one,   what's this one? Okay. So   this one is,   a tune called   carve your heart, and it's by Melissa Kerber. Again, this is from the pure original archive. So most of these tunes are twenty plus years old, and most of them have never seen the light of day.   Enjoy this one.   See you after the break.   Yeah. That was Melissa Carver. I didn't know whether she went on to do anything else. I hope she did. That was a fantastic tune.   What do you reckon, Shelley?  



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I only caught half of it because I nipped to the little girl's room. But, yeah, it sounded nice. Sounded nice. Very pretty tune. Very pretty tune. Very pretty. Quite different from the other two.  

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Yeah. Especially the light the one just before that.   I was trying to along to that one. I couldn't do it. I just couldn't couldn't get the melody right   to the the one previous.  

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Yeah. It's great all of these artists though, isn't it, that we haven't, like, really heard of. There's just so much great music  

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out there. Well, I'm gonna have a little word with,   Carrie Anne on Twitch TV and see if she'll come on and do a show and play some of her tunes. Cool.   It would be I mean, I can't promise that she will.   But if she would, it would be lovely because   I don't know whether you've,   looked into much Twitch TV, Shelley.   No. Not at all. So Twitch TV originally was like a gamer's platform   for people to stream games that they were playing so that other people could watch them play games, and I just never saw the point. Oh, my son would love it. Well, why wouldn't you just go and play the flipping game yourself? Why wouldn't you? You know?   Oh, he's really good at this. I'm gonna watch him. Well, just go and get good at it yourself. You know? I don't know.  

Anyway, whatever.   It's now opened up, and there's there's all sorts of disgusting stuff on there as well. You know? People just filming themselves sleeping,   people   filming their workouts at the gym, and all that kind of stuff. It's it's all out there. You know?   People body painting, people you know? So there's all sorts of lewd stuff on there as well. But one of the best things you can find on Twitch is none of those things.   Just type in music   as a search, and there are   hundreds of originalists   just   out there doing their thing. And and Carrie Anne was one of those people I stumbled across when I first got into the whole Twitch music thing.   And I've I've carried on going back to that channel because she's one of the she's not just got a lovely voice. She's got one of these she's very talented. She plays guitar. She plays the piano.  

She plays the harp.   And then, you know, she'll be someone will ask her to play a tune, and she'll play the tune. And halfway through the tune, she'll be singing away and playing the piano. And then she'll lean over and carry on playing the piano and drag the harp over and start plucking on the harp as well at the same time as singing and just like Very very playful  

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playful and innocent.   Yeah. Very good so. She she she's yeah. She's got an attitude that's not anyone that degrades   anyone else.  

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Yeah. Very much she's yeah. Absolutely.   Just just a just a a nice yeah. She's there. It's her main job as well. So I'll I'll send her a message, see if she'll come on or or at least let us play a couple of tunes. That'd be nice.   She can only say no. If she don't ask, you don't get. Exactly. I I need your tenaciousness when it comes to this sort of thing, Shelley. You are far more tenacious than I am when it comes to   chasing up these people that will come on and do,   talks and and that kind of thing. So, yeah, that'd be good. That'd be good if I if I can. So have you been touring at any Maleficus?   Since we talked, have you been going and playing dive bars or anything? I've not been playing any dive bars or or or public toilets. No. Nothing like that.  

No. But I am still working on tunes. I've got,   I I haven't had the chance for, like, literally a couple of months, I gotta be honest. But, It's Friday, not your music day still. Friday is supposed to be my music day, but quite often if the weather's nice, Cheryl will just be like, well, I'm I'm going out with my mom on Thursday   so we can get away early on Friday.  

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Fair enough.   I think when the weather's out, you've got to make the most of it. And I mean, we've got so many jobs that need doing around this house. And   when that sun's out though, I'm out in the garden sunbathing.   I am brown as a berry,   and I just love it.   If anything, the sun stops me doing  

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stuff. Yeah. But doesn't it? Everyone I mean, it stops me from doing stuff because when it gets really hot and you get home from work and it's like, I don't know, half past two, 03:00 in the afternoon, you just think,   oh, there's   there's a cold cider sat in the fridge, and it's so nice out there. Yeah.  

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What is it about cold cider?  

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Cold cider. Yeah. Well, the the lady that I do work for every so often, we've just harvested all her apples, and I'm not joking when I say we've literally harvested about a ton and a half of apples.   Wow. Like, a a a meter and a half cubed  

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of apples. How many trees?  

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Not many, actually. Only   five trees.   But it's amazing how how much one apple tree will feed.  

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Yeah. Well, I would like to say, you know, I started my little, veggie plots a few months ago Yeah. Your lentils and stuff.   Sorry? Your raised the raised beds. My raised beds. Yes. Yeah. Well, we had green beans. I mean, we had enough for probably about five or six meals.   I had loads of beet root, so I had to pickle that up and everything. Oh. Tomatoes are still growing strong but they they just don't seem to be changing color. I don't think they're going to.   And my cucumbers   which I didn't even realize. I couldn't remember what I planted because I just mixed everything   up.  

So I've got these two like plants sticking up and I had a prize cucumber growing and last week the dog went up jumped it and broke it up and started eating it. My prized cucumber. Yeah. Oh, my word.   I hope you've been hard to I hope you're eating with the soggy end. Oh, he looked so cute eating it. I was just so mad though.  

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So I've got Our dog our dog, has been eating flowers.   He likes to go after the flowers.   Oh. Since the cucumber is like a flower,   I'm sure that they they like them too.  

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Well, our dog just likes anything because he realized we were growing food food there. You know, a couple of carrots were pulled out. He was eating beet root, and Darren reckons that he was actually weeing   purple wee.   So for a first attempt, it was alright. It was quite nice seeing God these carrots they do taste tasty. Yeah. I grew these.  

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Don't don't taste tasty. Not enough for, like, you know that joke.  

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Not enough if we were, you know, gonna go into doomsday or something. And really randomly, I was in the dog food shop the other day, and we get raw food for our dog. And there's all these different types like wild boar,   goat, you name it, any any sort of animal. And I said to the guy in there, I said, really random thought. I said, but   thinking doomsday ahead, if it got to it, we could eat this dog food, couldn't we? And he said, well, if you're not bothered about the organs and the bone content of it, it'll be fine.   So then we got onto the whole doomsday thing and I was saying to him that I've still got loads of tinned food up in my loft room, like COVID-nineteen times and stuff. And then he was telling me all about this guy he'd watched. He was digging up his drive, and he's put, like, a shelter   underneath his drive.  

And I said, oh, you shouldn't be telling me things like this because we haven't started our drive yet. And that's just such a good idea.  

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But I'm certainly gonna have to grow up with more food. Root a root cellar. That is a good idea.   When I was in Russia, you would be surprised, everybody there, their babushkas,   all had a root cellar where they'd canned all of their veggies from the garden   and stow it away for the wintertime, and they'd have shelves full of canned goods   down in the root cellar.  

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It's funny you say that.   I read stuff. Yeah. It's funny you say that, Patrick. You just made me think there was a a book I read,   about a young chap who was born in Ireland, but served with the German army in the East. And and he said he only looted twice what we'll be considering considered a looting offense by the Gestapo.   One was some apples that he found in a house that was about to be,   demolished.   And the other time when he was stuck behind enemy lines on his own, and he found   exactly what you said, found a cellar in a house, and he found a barrel full of pickled tomatoes.  

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So thank you, Patrick. You've just spurred off a memory for me. And it's not it's not theft when you're starving to death. That's that's one thing people need to realize, that kind of situation. You're starving to death. You it's not theft.   Really isn't.   Yeah.   As long as you pay it back, if you're able to pay it back, you pay it back. But you're starving to death. What if come on. Well, I mean, as as granddad,  

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as granddad said in one of his little speeches that he gave to with withhold goods and services or even food or raiment from a person   purely on the basis of of finance   is actually sacrilege.   You know? If someone doesn't have the money to pay for something and you you're able to clothe   them, then it's sacrilege not to do it. So   and I you know, I yeah. I'm a firm believer in that. You know? I mean So what was the TSL  

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Elliot thing? Sorry. I don't inter interrupt. I heard a little bit about that. You I will you what? You're talking about your grandfather.  

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Yeah. I'll I'll bring up the links in a sec while we when we play the next tune. Because I normally play a tune every sort of quarter of an hour, twenty minutes at the moment just because it makes everything lighthearted, and it it's no pressure. And and I think the the listening audience enjoy a bit of a break as well from from me gibbering, which I do quite a lot.   So I'll dig the,   things out while we have a little listen   to Comeg. This is a band called Comeg.   I can't remember what the song is called, but it's simply track nine. I guess we'll work in is it answers on the back of a postcard, folks, or to [email protected],   or to Shelley's email address, or even to Patrick.  

Or maybe we'll work out what the chorus is between us and what the name of the song is. Here we go. Komic, track nine.   A little bit of a gap at the beginning of all these tracks.   I think he manufactured his CDs himself.   Alter gap.   This one. He's a duper. Kinda like Doosan from then.   He was. I think he's he's a bit like me. I think he just likes his outros.   I'm just I'm just bleeding him out a little bit. Sorry, Colonel.   Great tune. What what was the what was the first instance you took from those lyrics?  

[01:21:13] Unknown:

He wanted to get drunk,   and then he said, I'm not you. I guess those are the two things that stood out most.  

[01:21:21] Unknown:

I think that's what he was say. He was going on about yeah. See, the thing is, he was going on about how obviously, he's singing about a mate. So this is the first time I've really analyzed these lyrics. This is after, like, twenty he sent it to me over twenty years ago. I suppose I I I owe him the right to do that.   First time I've ever analyzed it though, and he's basically talking about the fact that his mate seems to spend   all his time at home with his missus, and he shares the housework, and he shares the thrills, but he doesn't share his life.   Come you know, basically, the the crux of the chorus is w missus for a night and you come out and get drunk with me. I just think he's a he's I think he's one of those guys that didn't have a girlfriend. Right?  

And all his mates got hitched up, and he was   he was just a bit lonely.   Sorry. That's my first impressions. Maybe I'm overanalyzing.   I don't know. No. No. That's probably about right.  

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He didn't understand it. That's all. He didn't understand the married   life. Sounds like.  

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Sounds like it. Yeah.   Sounds like because you gotta make sacrifices. That's exactly what you have to do. A a mate of mine years ago said to me,   longest relationship I've had, two years. He said, how have you managed twenty three? This was obviously about five, six years ago because we're, like, twenty seven years this year.   And I said, quite simple, mate. You have to accept that the other person isn't perfect.   And they've got to accept that about you. That's what you are. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You know, it's it's about acceptance, isn't it? Tolerance and,   you know, that's that's that's where the word tolerance should be used the most, I think, is in is in the household.  

So  

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yeah. Anyway Twenty seven years. It's that's good. You know, me and my other half, we celebrated seven years the other day. Yeah. And you sent us a photograph, actually. I know. That was one of our first dates. But you know what? So, Patrick, you you asked about Saint Nickton's Glen, didn't you?  

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I did because, one of the fellows   on WBN,   Josh, the boss from,   where is he? He's from West Sussex. Cornwall, didn't he, for the win? He went to Cornwall,   and he he talked about his time at at Glen.  

[01:23:32] Unknown:

Oh, okay. Well, and Shelley Shelly sent us a photograph of it afterwards with her and her and her better half. Sorry, Shelly. But Yeah. That's where I was.   Mate. Of them outside   right next to the waterfall there. It's a beautiful place.  

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Yeah. There is so many places   in Cornwall that I haven't been to. And, actually,   I wanna talk to you I wanna almost do a bit of, like, a connection,   mate, one week.   You've probably been there a little bit. They're sure that I'm sure there'll be lots of them. There is. But this place, I thought you would love. You might have already been there to   Porthcurno,   the   the museum up there. The cable? I haven't used the museum. But I I have been to Porthcurno where they sent the wireless transmitter. That's it. Yeah. Yes. We went there. Oh, okay. I don't know. One day last week. It was amazing.   And I bought a couple of books from there. I bought you a book as well because there's a part about the   wall and stuff. And they were really reasonably   priced thick back books, you know. I've got another  

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book. You've got me there. I'm all excited. Yeah. It'll cost me more to post it. I'm sure. Oh, no. Come on. We'll we'll pop down and have a visit at some point. Yeah. Yeah. But, no, it's a really fascinating  

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fascinating place to go, and I think, crikey, I've lived here all my life, and I've never been there.  

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So So much of Cornwall is is completely unheard of. So just to because I know you've got to go in a sec, Shelley. So just to, cover what,   Patrick asked before we played the song. So I doing the little searches around on Granddad, I stumbled across this. This is and I'll read it to you. It is to Ezra Pound from T. S. Eliot dated 03/26/1940.   And it says,   respect,   Ezra.   First of all,   and bunting apart as he doesn't come into this picture anyway, and it only includes some selections of works of authors already published and known.   Are you willing to have a small selection from your poetical   works included in the Sesame Library for this autumn?  

The series aims at an introduction, in other words, of the same of authors. I should suggest a judicious selection from the previous selection together with perhaps a bit of prop.   Prop,   is,   a homage to Sextus   1919.   You guys can look that up if you can move on.   And certainly one or two earlier simple   cantos or   maybe one earlier and one late. Second, the honorable George, talking about George Santayana who spoke who who has spoken so many words of wisdom over the years. My favorite one being, those who do not remember their history   are condemned to repeat it.  

Second, the honorable George is being written to, and I trust meanwhile   will have been blandish by yourself. If he is yielding, he might sort of,   he might sort of set the pace of this new book.   And then we fall into or rather step out of according,   whatever that means. I don't know. So the last part of the letter is, third, you never   you never explain anything.   Every so often, I think Patrick is is booing and hissing me, and it's not it's just a piece of machinery behind him. That's that's the new gear compressor.   Yeah. Sorry. It's not you guys. That's nice. So,   third, you never explain anything. What do you want me to write to the colonel j Cray Scott about?  

How do I know he wants to hear from me passing the time of day?   All I know is that he has done a piece in the townsman   adopting the correct and proper attitude towards federal union.   Though not just in my own style of attack, the point is, does he want to know me? Yours respectfully,   t p, which is t s Eliot. So that's what the left I I to cut a long story short,   ended up getting a hold of a copy of Townsman, which we will also do a connection on Shelley because the Townsman was published from Cornwall by a guy called Ronald Duncan, who is also as famous as TS Eliot.   They they,   basically, in that particular art   edition, they included a poem from Ezra Pound and an article from my granddad. So that's where the connection is, Patrick, just so you know. Now before we go any further, Shelley, I know you've got to get off in a few minutes. I I do have to disappear, I'm afraid. You do. It's been lovely to have you back,  

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missus. Well Thank you. Thank you. It's been lovely to chat to you guys,   and I will try and listen to the next half an hour when I'm driving to work. Okeydokey. Well,  

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Right. We will catch up soon. And We will. You have been listening to Shelley Tasker at last on the Shelley Tasker Show.  

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Alright, my darling. You take care. See you soon, Patrick.  

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Yep. Take care. We're talking about the interview. Bye. Bye bye.   Alright. So John Sebastian.  

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John Sebastian. Yeah. It was. It had to be. I had to find a welcome back song for Shelley. Of course, I did.   So you are listening live, folks, to radiosoapbox.com.   You have,   you you had, for a a a brief period, your great host back, missus Shelley Tasca. She is now off to work. Bless her.   So we will catch up with her next week, and she will be with us for the two, the two hour the full two hours next week.   So you're listening live to radiosoapbox.com.   We will be back after a very, very short break. This is a band called Chumley's Toy,   and it's the Surface of Me. Hope you enjoy, folks. And, again, if you want to hear back any of the tunes that you hear from the Pure Original Archive,   just drop me a line and let me know what give me a time stamp on the show. That's the easiest way.  

Alright. Take care. See you after this.  

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They act as if   they   can see   all the frustration   I hold.   I'm   feeling on the   surface of me.   If you would take a lot of time to breathe,   you might   unsung.   I'll never   be  

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around.   That's quite a tune, I would have said. Sorry. A bit of a pause there. I thought I'd mute it and I'd,   unmuted instead. And, so you probably heard me breathing for most of that song.   Pretty good tune, though. Pretty good tune indeed.   So, are you still there with us, Patrick?   I am. Yeah. Sorry. I I muted you just to to cut the background noise slightly. So Yeah. I'm sorry about that. I I have a hard It's minor when we're talking, but over a tune, you you probably Yeah.  

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Yeah. Yeah. I I have no way of monitoring it, so thank you for letting me know doing thank you for letting you know, and thank for doing that. Yeah. No worries. No worries. Well, look. We've we've just been joined,  

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by mister Sean Surplus, who is the the star of last week's show. Had quite a few emails concerning last week's show.   It was a ripper, as he would say.   Sean, are you with us? I am here, sir. How are you? Oh, I'm good, man. Apart from school shootings occurring over in Minneapolis or wherever it was, you you you you've had a bit of the same over your way, haven't you?  

[01:34:08] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yeah. It's been crazy fucking shit here. Helicopters all over us here. As you'll hear on the recording when I produce the show,   you'll hear the hell helicopters hovering over our house and everything. They're they're fucking everywhere, and there's hundreds of police over it because two cops were killed. Right?   So they take it personally. When they when there's a cop killer,   they take it personally. It was a 59 year old, detective and a 35 year old senior constable.   And   they,   they're after this motherfucking something shocking. Now, you know what they're doing?   They're they're trying to,   how how you going Patrick by the way? I don't mean to Oh, I'm quite good. I'm in Disclaimer.  



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Disclaimer.   Disclaimer. This this this edition of this section of the Shelley Tasker Show may contain bad language.  

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Is this are we live? We are live indeed.   Oh, fuck me. You could've told me.  

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That's alright. You can apologize to the audience afterwards. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Yeah. Bloody hell. Well, yeah. How are you going, ladies and gentlemen? I didn't know we were live. This is how I naturally talk as you can tell. So so at least we know it's real and it's raw. So go on. Keep Mhmm. Yeah. This is quite exciting, actually. Go on. They they will they   well, it's exciting outside of the fact that they had to close everything down. They've still got most of poor Pankaj in lockdown.   The helicopters have been flying. The sirens have been blaring, and,   they still can't find him. What happens is he's really familiar   with,   the bushlands,   so he he's very hard to find. He knows the bushlands where the cops do not. So   they're trying to look for bunkers at the moment. They're scanning for bunkers and caves that he could be hiding out in.  

At the moment, we've just got all the cameras pumped up just in case he comes wandering because if you remember, there was that Ray fella that was in the backyard with his caravan. Yes.   And it turns out that this character used to come and see Ray once in a while. So   he he might think that he could shack up or something like that, which ain't gonna happen.   Of weirdos hanging around your house though in the last few weeks. Because of Ray. Because of Ray. Yeah. Oh, and also that that weirdo   that recently come around turns out he wasn't actually a total weirdo. He shouldn't have been looking through windows and doors, but what he was doing was he was trying to scope out what houses were vacant and what weren't so that he could sell solar panels out of all things.   Okay.  

Okay.   Yeah. So this  

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sorry? It's not it's not quite so bad as somebody running around shooting cops anyway.   No. That's right. Yeah. What the frac car was about? Because, obviously, we've got news over here,  

[01:36:58] Unknown:

printed, what would have been it would have been Here's here's what here's here's where it started. Here's where it started.   They're claiming and I don't know for sure because I don't know this guy personally.   So but they're claiming that he claims he's a sovereign citizen. Now, number one, you can't be sovereign and a citizen at the same time. That that's that's a conflict conflict in itself. Mhmm.   Number two, you you'd have to have a country where you're allowed to be sovereign. Australia hasn't been sovereign for a long time. Even though they claim that it is, it hasn't been quite, sovereign for fucking ten years.   So there's there's there's no reason to be trying to be a sovereign citizen, so to speak, but what they're trying to do now, the mainstream media   lied about the fact that apparently he took his wife and children hostage, which he did not, because the wife and the child,   the children turned up in the the police station,   that night that it happened. After that that night after it had happened, saying, no. No. No. We don't know where he is. So that was bullshit. So the mainstream media is also already   failing up as they do because it's it's whoever wants to get the hit first.  

Yeah. Every, you know, channel nine Sensationalism   sensation. Yep. Yep. Channel nine, channel seven, ten, a b c, all tried to jump on it and they they they they went out on a limb to say, oh, he he stole his, wife and child. No. He did not. He took off into the bushlands.   He As soon as he, did did the shooting,   there was a whole heap of cops that came after him. We heard the sirens rushing past our house, something shocking, because it's it's only 30 clicks away from us. It's only 30 kilometers away from us where the shooting took place.   So he that all these Sorens, took off. They went after him, and he took off into the bushlands, and he hasn't been found since. So his his Yeah. His second name is Freeman. Is that right? This this his real name is, I think it's,   what was it?  

I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go to conjecture at the moment. Beth had the real name. His real name is Desmond   Filimon or something like that. Don't quote me verbatim, but something like that. Yep. Yes. But   he's because he's he claims to be a sovereign citizen, he uses his, sovereign citizen name, which is, Desi Freeman.   Right. Yeah. Okay. At the moment, we've just got all the cameras pumped up, and just in case   somebody comes along, we've, comes around, we've been doing, like, shift work. When Beth's asleep,   I'm keeping patrol,   and when I'm asleep, she's keeping patrol. Because if he does turn up in the driveway, then, you know,   we we are armed. I won't say how,   for legal reasons, of course.  

We are armed, and, if any trouble arises, then, we'll deal with it. Because, because he has been around our property in the past because of Ray,   we have to make perfectly sure he's not gonna turn up   and,   seek refuge, if you will. I don't think he will. I think what he'll do is he'll take to the highway.   He'll find a way. He'll probably shave his head or whatever, and he'll take to the highway and and keep moving on. He knows that there's too many people that will recognize him around this area. He's photos all over the all over the world. Because I speak to you, you know, whenever we you  

[01:40:20] Unknown:

when I speak to you or when you're doing your shows, you quite often talk about your bike rides to Wangaratta and all that kind of thing. And all the news articles here, this, you know, this this the signpost for Wangaratta. It's like, oh my goodness. This is really close to you. Like, ridiculously close to you.  

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Yeah. Well, see, Wangaratta Wangaratta is not where it took place. It took place in Porpunka.  

[01:40:42] Unknown:

Wangaratta is I know that from the but I'm just seeing because I'm I'm looking at the one of the articles. I think this is Sky News has has got a big article on the whole thing. And I can see on one of the photographs, there's roadblocks and there's signposts for Wangaratta and Mount Buff Mount Buffalo. Is that right?  

[01:40:58] Unknown:

Yeah. Mount Buffalo, Bright,   Mount Beauty, Polpangka. Polpangka is where it took place, which is about 30 kilometers away from here.  

[01:41:07] Unknown:

Right. Crazy. How long ago did it take place?  

[01:41:10] Unknown:

When when did it take place? Three three days ago now. Yeah.  

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Okay. So what exactly happened?  

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He, he was   about 10 cops turned up, which is really strange in itself. 10 cops turned up to his residence.   Three cops went in to issue him a warrant on what they said was a historical sexual abuse. Now, I don't know whether that's child sexual abuse or or whether he raped somebody or or whatever.   I wouldn't have a clue, and I'm not gonna start to make assumptions because   I don't have the facts. Right? But this is what the mainstream media have been saying is that the police said   that he they would they he was issued a warrant. He lived in a bus. Right?   And he was issued a warrant   for historical   sexual abuse. That's the the words they used.  

So they three of them approached the bus and issued him the warrant.   He pulled out a shotgun, and he shot two of them dead,   and the other one got hit by the shotgun spray   in the thigh, and he was rushed to Alfred Hospital.   And so what's happening is he's now getting well, he's been operated on. They said he's in stable condition, everything like that. But, you know, you you can't know the the full facts of any of this because   it's so cloudy because of the mainstream media. The mainstream media have   they're baffled this something shocking.   They've really screwed up because one minute they're saying that he took his wife and kids hostage, and next minute they're saying is,   it's historical sexual abuse. And then other,   mainstream media outlets are saying something totally different.  



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Mhmm. But Well, Sky News is saying here the whereabouts of mister Freeman's wife and two children   are initially unknown, but mister Bush said they had visited the police station and spoken to officers late on Tuesday night.  

[01:43:06] Unknown:

So that's that in and of itself is an inflammatory statement. We don't know where they are, but they have spoken to police. No. Well, the there's a thing. The first the first thing yeah. The first thing the media said was that they were held hostage. Then all of a sudden, they came out and said we made a mistake.   They they came to the police station. Then another media outlet was saying and I think this might have been channel seven, not totally sure,   said,   well,   they,   they they're now under protective custody away from you. So I don't know whether they were   So I don't know whether they were threatened or whatever. But, I mean, we're talking about a guy that just shot two cops. Now you don't have to agree with everything he has to say, but he did say at one stage   that he this is apparently what he said.  

Allegedly, he said that, I'm a sovereign citizen and I think he was under under a protest at one stage back in 02/02/2024.   And what he said was,   Dan Andrews needs to be tried for treason.   And I agree with that. I do agree with that he would, need to be tried for treason. But do I agree that he should have murdered two cops? No.   Absolutely not.   You know, there could have been other ways he could have gone about things   to fight the warrant.   Right?   But instead, he chose to take two people away from their families,   and I'm not okay with that. I do not condone   killing a cop unless it's in self defense on right merit. Meaning,   if I know for a fact that I'm correct in my stance and a cop comes to kill me, I will use self defense   and possibly kill the cop if I think that they're going to kill me. However,   just to kill somebody because they were issuing a warrant,   not on. Not on. You know? That this should not have happened. Obviously panicked,  

[01:44:55] Unknown:

and thought the game's up. He must've done. But then that's an easy conclusion to jump to, I suppose. You don't you never know. But I mean Can you have shotguns, sir?  

[01:45:05] Unknown:

Yes. We can. We've like, we can have farmers licenses for shotguns, but you can have shotguns anyway. You just gotta have you've gotta go you've gotta jump through fiery hoops to have gun licenses here, and then you've gotta go through   fiery hoops to transport the gun to where you're going. So if you're going to use a shotgun,   for instance, Patrick,   what happens is here in Australia, there is no excuse for self defense with a firearm. So you can't use it against a person. Can I can I hold your thoughts there a second, Sean? Mhmm.  

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Just literally gonna play a quick tune, and then we're in the last part of the show. So   Okay. You're listening to radiosoapbox.com.   This is the Shelley Tasker Show.   Now absent sadly absent again of missus Tasker herself, but she will be back with us for the full two hours   next week.   So,   this one is called   oh,   this one's called   lucid dreaming.   We are back, folks. We are back. Sorry for rudely interrupting you there, Sean. Please carry on where you left off, sir.  

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I'll first say that, I didn't know that you were gonna be live. For the audience, I did not know they were going to be live. That's   Mel had actually said to me mister Scott had actually said to me that,   okay,   you know, just give us a call at 08:30 because, we'll be able to have a chat. And I didn't know he meant that he was gonna be, that him and Patrick.   So, yeah, I apologize for the intrusion. But,  

[01:50:17] Unknown:

yeah. No. I mean No. At least look. I mean, I'm not being funny, but if you didn't realize it before, folks, Sean's actually boots on the ground in this situation.   So I do you know what? I'm I'm not being funny if   you if you didn't realize it was real before, you do now.  

[01:50:35] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. No. It's been interesting. Boots on the ground in this situation, Yeah.   Yeah.   Like, I basically contacted   the one of the officers and said, is he is he heading in this direction? Do what do I need to know?   Not I'm not worried about me. I can defend myself quite fine, but I've got a daughter here as you know. So,   I'm on high alert at the moment. Now, if he's looking to try and shack up somewhere,   I'm thinking that he's probably got one of the caves or something like that. They shut down the primary school, they shut down the libraries, they shut down the information centers, everything like that. They're in total lockdown in Pohupangka.   We still have most businesses open here, but they've shut down the library and the information centers.  

So,   it's it's just a matter of now waiting to see what happens. We've got all eight cameras pumped up, and if as soon as there's alert heard, we're we're on top of it. So,   it   yeah. Needless to say,   you know, you're always a little bit on edge when it comes to this because   if he's in   if he's in desperate mode where he needs to find somewhere to go   and he needs to hold somebody at gunpoint, he will. He's heavily armed. He What he did is after he killed the officers, he dropped the shotgun as far as I know, and then he took the,   arms of the dead police officers.  

So   he's,   you know, he's not he's not a person that you you wanna   treat lightly.  

[01:52:09] Unknown:

Let me put it that way. Definitely not. You know, I mean, it's not being funny. You know, most people couldn't go near a dead body, let alone create one.  

[01:52:16] Unknown:

Yeah. That's very true. Isn't that the truth? You know? Yep. That is very true. Yeah. I I like I discussed on the the microphone,   which I'll be producing tonight, or well, now today,   about how a lot of people seem to think they know what death looks like, but they have no idea, especially if it's not been right there dead in front of them. If somebody dies in front of them, then they'll know what death looks like, and it's not what   you see on Rambo or anything like that. Like, the last Rambo was pretty   full of mutilation and pretty brutal, but it's still not the same as in real life. I have, had the unfortunate value of   witnessing   certain deaths, and it's not pretty. It's not it's nothing like a movie. So   now we're dealing with, a dude that shot two police officers, and that's brazen in itself. That's scary in itself because   he's not just shot two people, and I I kept saying on the recording as you'll hear it once I produce like when I,   I put the show out there.  

You'll hear me say that   he's not just brazen and,   he's obviously not in fear of killing   two police officers, which means he could kill anybody.   Yeah. You know?  

[01:53:33] Unknown:

Absolutely.   Yeah. No. Worrying times, really, to be fair. Yeah. Worrying times.   This is the world we live in now. There is literally a lunatic on the loose.  

[01:53:43] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[01:53:44] Unknown:

Funny, it just took a warrant to do that to him.   You know?  

[01:53:48] Unknown:

You gotta be fairly unhinged in the first place, I guess. So just you know? You you'd have to be unhinged to kill two police officers. That's just dumb. Yeah. Like,   it wouldn't surprise me if his body turns up dead, and then they just they just say straight out, oh, look, he killed himself. He he suicided after what he'd done.   But maybe, just maybe, and I can't put a I can never put a positive or an absolute on this, but maybe, just maybe, the cops had had enough of his shit because he's well known for his shit, and put a bullet in him and then just bury him and say, oh, look look he or not bury him and then just say, look he committed suicide.   Yeah. But,   that's that's what you get if you  

[01:54:27] Unknown:

you you know Well, obviously, it's pure conjecture, but you can understand the thought process is what you say. I mean  

[01:54:32] Unknown:

Yeah. One of the things I said   Go on. Sorry. Go on. One of the one of the things I said to Beth is,   you know, it doesn't matter whether you're right or you're wrong in an argument or you're right or you're wrong about about a warrant. Right? You can go to the court for the warrant or whatever.   But whether you're right or you're wrong does not merit shooting somebody,   killing somebody.   So that's where I stand with it. Do did they invade him in a way where he felt that his life was threatened and he need to shoot? He might. There might that might have been the case. I wasn't there.   But in the meantime,   if he wasn't under threat and they were only issuing him a warrant,   then,   there should be no reason that he should want to kill them. They would have taken him to jail. They would have sat him in jail for a for a term   until his court case came, and then he would be able to fight it in court. I've been there, remember, for hate speech.  

So   the he he he would have set a term in jail probably uncomfortably because jail, if you if you ask me, is worse than worse than prison.   But nonetheless,   bit by bit, it would have been taken care of. But he's taken two lives.   And as a friend of mine,   that lives in Melbourne,   and I were talking about last night,   he agreed. He said, no. There should be no reason to take another person's life unless it's truly truly   last resort.  

[01:56:03] Unknown:

Absolutely. Well, look,   rest in peace, Neil Thompson, 59,   senior constable,   and,   Vadim DeWart. Is that right? Am I pronouncing that right?  

[01:56:14] Unknown:

I'm not sure. I'm I'm  

[01:56:16] Unknown:

Vadim DeWort. I I I that's a South African name, I think. There's a there's a there's a 59 year old white guy Yeah. No. I'm talking to and a 35   year old, senior constable that's white as well. The third one, I don't know what he looks like. The one that was, Raster Elfreth. At least the photo of the hospital. But, you know, honestly, thoughts go out to the family. I'm not just saying that to be cheesy. Thoughts do go out to the families because, you know, they've just they you know,   one guy was about to retire. Literally, it says in the article he had days away from retiring. Yeah. And the only guy, 35 years old, she probably got a young family. I wrote to the I wrote to the Myrtleford and the Wangaratta  

[01:56:54] Unknown:

police stations and I said,   condolences   to all of those of you that were comrades to these guys   and also their   and their and also their families.   Look, cops can be pricks. There's no doubt about it, and some of them probably do deserve to die. But the fact is these guys for as what for what I understand at least,   were only trying to issue a warrant,   which would have just put him in jail for a while and then a court date. So Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:57:23] Unknown:

Oh, sad times, man. And and, you know, you know, like I said, I I didn't mean to sort of say exciting earlier. You know, when you think about, you know, what's actually occurred, but, you know, cranky. It's it's it's pretty crazy that you're actually right in the middle of it.  

[01:57:36] Unknown:

So, Yeah. We we we literally are in the middle of it. We we are we're we're in between,   Paul Pankaj and Myrtleford. That's where we reside.   So if he's gonna be coming through this way, he's gonna be bypassing us. But here's the thing, I don't think you'll see me out on the road or the rail trail.   I think what he'll do is he'll just take to the bushlands because he knows the bushlands well. He's well known for,   understanding where everything is. He's excellent with orienteering the whole lot. So I think what he's gonna do is he'll just take to the bushlands until he can make him his way to the highway,   possibly disguising himself. Either that or he planned this a long time ago and he's got a lot of food bunched up in a cave somewhere. And, it and then, of course, being in the opine, there's   plenty of water and plenty of creeks.  

There's he he would just have to go to the gutter. If he went to the wall and gutter,   then he's got creeks everywhere and plenty of food to hunt.  

[01:58:34] Unknown:

So Crazy. Crazy to come out. Well, look Yeah. We're gonna have to draw the show to a close. Thanks. Seriously, Sean, thanks for the update. And, you know,   on such a detailed one as well, actually having some insight. That's really, really bloody useful for the listeners. Really is.   Yeah. Patrick, are you still there, old boy?   Yes.   It's been great to have it's it's been great to have you along as well. We're we're about to close the show. This has been the welcome back Shelley show.   Yeah. It really has been the welcome back Shelley show. It's been great to have her back after all this time.   I've got to do it one more time. We're talking about the big time. I've I've got to do it one more time.  



[01:59:14] Unknown:

Hit me, baby, one more time.  

[02:00:06] Unknown:

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