In this episode of The Podcast, we dive into a fascinating conversation with our guest, Mark Becker, exploring the realms of UFOs, UAPs, and interdimensional beings. We kick off the show with some technical hiccups, but quickly get into the groove, discussing the latest news and personal anecdotes. Mark shares his journey from skepticism to belief in the existence of otherworldly phenomena, influenced by experiences and research into past lives, near-death experiences, and quantum physics.
We delve into the recent congressional hearings on UAPs, featuring testimonies from military personnel, and discuss the implications of these sightings. The conversation takes an intriguing turn as we explore the possibility of interdimensional travel and the nature of time and space.
Our discussion also touches on the intersection of science and spirituality, examining biblical references to UFO-like phenomena and the potential for extraterrestrial influence on human evolution. We ponder the mysteries of the universe, from the nature of gravity to the possibility of a flat Earth, challenging conventional scientific beliefs.
Throughout the episode, we engage in a lively exchange of ideas, questioning the nature of reality and the limits of human understanding. Join us for a thought-provoking journey into the unknown, as we seek to unravel the mysteries of the cosmos.
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(00:00:16) Technical Glitches and Introductions
(00:02:18) Weekend Recap and News Highlights
(00:03:56) Housekeeping and Support Information
(00:10:17) Guest Introduction: Mark Becker
(00:16:15) Mark Becker's Journey into the Unknown
(00:32:15) Personal UFO Encounter
(00:38:59) UFO Testimonies and Military Encounters
(00:54:32) Interdimensional Theories and Biblical References
(01:06:38) Flat Earth Discussion
(01:28:19) Closing Thoughts and Future Plans
(01:32:18) Texit Movement and Independence Discussion
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- Mark Becker
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Bringing you the best quality talk radio we could muster without all the bluster. This is the podcast. Welcome aboard, folks. It is great to be with you once again on a Monday night. And as always, it wouldn't be a show for us without some kind of a technical problem somewhere along the way. Forgot to activate my mic there at the very, very beginning. Didn't realize that until just a few minutes ago. My face is kinda glowy for some reason. I saw I did something with the lighting. I have no idea what I did. And our guest, Mark Becker.
[00:01:00] Unknown:
Hello.
[00:01:01] Unknown:
Has already checked in. You beat the host to the camera, bud. Yeah. Your camera went live before I did, so Oh, interesting. Yes, sir. So they got to see you sit there playing with your mic and putting you down. Yeah. Wondering what in the what in the world is this guy doing? Exactly. They probably thought I got fired or something. Right. Kinda hard to fire yourself from your own podcast, though. Right? Exactly. That's that's what it is. And then, I don't know what happened to, to our executive producer, Wayne. Wayne seems to have, disappeared. He's Left the building, Wayne has left the building.
I don't know where he went, but I sent him a couple of messages, said we are broadcasting, and, don't know what happened to him. No idea. Well, we'll see if we can't get by without him, I guess, For a while anyway. He'll come strolling in a little bit. You know? Sure. Sure. I did I did take him out to the store just a little bit before the show tonight, and, we picked up a, we picked up a really nice bottle of, 10 year old Weller. So Oh, nice. So I think he may have had a couple of those already before we got started. And so did I. Actually, we have our adult beverage of the evening right here. Very nice.
Followed by the other adult beverage of the evening right here. That's just regular coffee. Just regular coffee. But, let me just talk to the folks here for a second. Folks, it is great to be with you again Monday night. It's another week. Another weekend has gone by. A lot of stuff took place over the weekend. Got a lot of things accomplished around here. Again, like I said, I've been, you know, messing around here at the studio trying to get a few things situated and and redone and, again, playing with the lighting and doing all kinds of stuff. So maybe that's why I'm glowy. I don't know. But, hopefully, we'll get that figured out before we wrap this whole shebang up for the night. But, again, great weekend. A lot of stuff took place, this week in the news, and probably one of the bigger surprises was, Dan Bongino, the former Secret Service agent, host of the Dan Bongino Show, has been tapped to be the assistant direct or the, deputy FBI director, under, Kash Patel. That's amazing news. Did not see that coming. Right? Yeah.
Kind of expected that. But, politics is not the conversation of the day. We're gonna be getting into some really, really fun stuff in just a little bit. And then, of course, we'll wrap it up with our typical Texit FAQ, for the day. And, Mark, I don't know if you're familiar with that, but I am a member and I am actually the deputy county coordinator for an organization called the Texas Nationalist Movement. Okay. Which is a political action committee advocating for a free and independent Texas from, these states united. And, so at the end of every show, I like to give a quick little FAQ that we get directly from the Texas Nationalist Movement website and, just basically answering the basic questions that are out there. Anybody can research it afterwards, and they can check it out themselves, and they'll see, you know, where I'm coming from with it. But, but we usually do that at the very end of the show, because we don't spend too much time on it. But before we get any further into anything else for the night, I do have some housekeeping that I need to do. So let me get into that really, really quick. Just clear up a few things. First of all, head over to our website, joerusiello.com.
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Alright. And, at the end of the show today, I forgot we do have a new segment that we'll be introducing, and it is the segment we call the the from who the who gives a shit file. Alright. So, it's a new story that nobody really cares about, but yet they listed as breaking. So we'll talk about that one at the end of the show. Alright. So let me introduce to you, my good friend here, Mark Becker. Mark, welcome to the podcast. I know we kinda jumped in a little bit early there, and I'm noticing here as well that my live stream on audio is not working. So we'll probably have to rip the audio from the video later on to get that work straightened out. But, Mark, just wanna say thank you so much for taking the time to be with us here tonight. I really do appreciate it. And, why don't you, why don't you kick us off here? Tell us a little bit about yourself, where are you from, what you're doing, and, how did you get involved with UFOs, UAPs, USOs, cryptids, and all the great stuff that you and I talked about earlier today?
[00:16:58] Unknown:
Well, thank you. I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you. It's, it's been an enjoyable conversation we had prior. So I'm, grew up in Minnesota, still reside here, and, I was as I'd indicated to you, I grew up in a pretty devout Catholic family, and I struggled most of my life with trying to understand the big questions like, you know, why are we here? What's our purpose? You know, why are there so many unknowns with people that, have have proven to be telepathic as far as being able to see, you know, they're I know they're used, like, in in government programs and this type of thing, and where's that magic come from? So I really envied people that were able to just accept faith and, you know, really believe in the traditional religion background that that that they were given and such, and I really struggled with that. So I felt kind of out of place.
And about seven years ago, I ran across and please, you know, be open minded. This is gonna diverge from, I'm sure, a lot of people's beliefs and that type of thing, which is absolutely fine. I have, no problem with where everybody's at. But about seven years ago, I ran across a video called, children that remember past lives, and I thought, what a crock. I'm very, very logical, really need proof based type, you know, stuff before I'm gonna buy into anything like that. But it was a cold frigid day in Minnesota. I was bored. I'm like, alright. I'll watch this video. And I was blown away at how they're interviewing these small children that were two to seven, eight years old, and the facts that they're able to come up with about what their life was like in previous lives was there's no way they could have memorized all this stuff because they were throwing questions that were, very random.
And, you know, you could you could tell it wasn't scripted because sometimes they'd stumble on the question and change it and that type of thing. And, these kids, like, even at two, three years old, like, I remember one little boy was talking about, you know, I was on this plane back in World War two. This was the name of the plane. This was my copilot. This is where we went down. This is the name of the bay, you know, everything, and they were able to go back and verify all this information. Mhmm. And then it turns out there's thousands of cases like this. Right? So it it intrigued me enough to to delve more into it. And what I found out over the last five to seven years is just absolutely staggering. Nothing like I would have possibly thought was possible, and the amount of evidence is staggering.
Like, they've done a, I I I also delved into near death experiences, and they did a study, the University of Virginia, where they studied thousands of cases and they you know, the the amount of consistency with these people's stories and the fact that they were able to say, you know, when I was in the hospital laying on this bed, I floated above myself, looked down at myself. They they were able to say exactly what their friends and family were saying in the waiting room, you know, at home praying a rosary. You know, they they're able to identify all these things, and it's like, how is that possible when you were laying there with surgery with a flat line on the screen?
So, you know, it it there there's just so much information like that out there. And through all of this, studying these different areas, and I also get really into, you know, future technology. I'm into AI. I'm into quantum physics and, you know, delved into quantum computers a little bit as far as understanding them. And they're starting to scientifically prove that a lot of the stuff that I've been learning is true. And I don't know if you are familiar with Ayahuasca. Have you ever heard of that? I I have. I don't know much about it, though, but I I have heard of it. Okay. So as as far as I know, it's the strongest psychedelic known to man, but it's not at all a recreational drug. You'd have to be insane to do it recreationally in my opinion. I ended up doing a Ayahuasca retreat, which, you know, I know how crazy this sounds, but I literally was in a different dimension during that period in where it felt far more real than what we live in this world. In other words, this to me feels like the avatar and the fake, and that felt, you know, extremely real.
I was able to see things that, you know, from my past, future, different things. It was just absolutely incredible. Anyway, through all of this, I started listening to, a few psychics and mediums. Mediums the difference between the two is a psychic kinda talks about, you know, what what you can you can expect in your future kind of thing where a medium is more someone that connects with somebody on the other side. And, again, I didn't believe any of this stuff. You know, if you'd ask me about any of this stuff seven years ago, I'd have been like, you're nuts and you're talking to the wrong guy. But, again, the amount of evidence to all of this is insane, and they talk a lot about, you know, these beings in different dimensions and what their purpose is.
And so that got me kind of shifted into a direction of, you know, starting to look into UFOs now called, you know, UAPs and the different phenomenon with all of that. And it's absolutely, again, staggering. The amount of evidence to back all of this up, is is remarkably incredible. So it's, yeah, it's just, it's just been a wonderful journey, and I now am able to understand for the first time how things, why things really are the way they are, why we're here, what's our purpose, all of these things. In fact, you know, I read the Bible, way back when because I thought, who am I to try to debate with anybody about, you know, scripture if I haven't even read the Bible. Right? Mhmm. So I spent about a year, reading it slowly, so I understood it as much as possible.
And it makes far more sense to me today than it did when I was in that old way of thinking, if you will. Oh, sure. Yeah. So it's been it's been a remarkable journey.
[00:23:30] Unknown:
Speaking of journeys, our, our executive producer has, come skulking into the studio here. Nice. So, Wayne, I'd like to bring you on here right now. Wayne, I'd like to meet Mark Becker. Mark is our guest for the evening. I know we spoke about it earlier. Let me turn your mic on for you. There you go.
[00:23:51] Unknown:
Mark? Yeah. How are you, Wayne? Good. I'm I'm from the, hotbed of UFO and supernatural
[00:23:57] Unknown:
area in the Pacific Northwest. Oh, very nice. Wayne Wayne hails from the great socialist
[00:24:03] Unknown:
state of, Washington. The peep the People's Republic Of Washington State.
[00:24:07] Unknown:
Yeah. So, Wayne and I were actually talking about the interview earlier, and, you know, Wayne had brought up a a a a good point, something that I I completely forgot about. But, what was his name? Ken? Ken Arnold. Ken Arnold. Right? From up there in Washington state. He had the first,
[00:24:26] Unknown:
well, modern UFO sighting that he that he reported on? Nineteen forty seven. You know anything about, mister Arnold there and his sightings? I've heard of him. I I I'm not great with memory on people's names specifically with the things that I because I I really, try to acquire a very, very vast amount of information from all different types of, areas and then try to kinda puzzle the, you know, life from that, if you will. So so yeah. So there's just so many so many people I listen to. It's it's difficult. I mean, you know, when you get into, like, the u u UAPs, I I think his name is Goosh. I've listened to him quite a bit, and I know he's, like, a high ranking,
[00:25:09] Unknown:
officer from the Air Force. Yeah. That, you know And I know I know you're talking about too. I I actually, I saw some YouTube clips earlier when I was doing some research. Yeah. Really interesting interesting things, and I have a couple of clips here that I'm gonna play for you in just a minute. But what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna turn this over to to Wayne for the for a couple of minutes. I need to step out, the studio for a moment, and, I'll be right back with you guys. I'm gonna leave you two at it. Okay? Sounds good. Alright. I'll be back.
[00:25:33] Unknown:
Yeah. Ken Arnold, actually, where I live in a smaller area called Chehalis. I go by the airport where he left his plane that day. It's a Chehalis Airport, so that was the airport. He took his initial run. And Mount Rainier is not that far from where Chehalis is where I used to live. Okay. It's, if you're in an airplane, you could see how if you if you're going south, which is the that's the way the plane it's a smoke airport, you know, like Cessnas and what have you. But you usually take off south and to the left to use Mount Saint Helens, where you take a sharp left, Mount Rainier. And so in 1947, as story goes, he was the, I guess, the first person to come up with flying saucers as a as a term. And so, but besides that, we have also Sasquatch, Bigfoot.
A lot of, strange things happen up in the Pacific Northwest. There's some variance, and there's a lot lot of people come from all over the world and to see what's going on out there. And sad thing is in Christmas time too, and it it it sounds funny, but it's tragic. Two guys went on a Bigfoot hunt and froze to death on Christmas Eve. Wow. It was kinda you know, be prepared. Hypothermia. But, yeah, there's a lot of well, we have a lot of air force bases or military bases there too. But, yeah. So, mister Arnold lived his life there. He was born in Minnesota, but he did pass away in '68 or '9, summers in that time period, I think it was. Maybe maybe I'm wrong in the data when he passed, but, it was kind of like that's where the UFO kind of terminology started.
[00:27:01] Unknown:
Well, I'm bringing up the the the whole Sasquatch thing. I I know there's a lot of people that suspect, if not believe, that, Sasquatch very much could be a being from another dimension or planet or, you know, whatever you wanna, and that's why they're rarely seen. But yet there are, you know, certain people that obviously are very much believers because they apparently have seen such a creature.
[00:27:27] Unknown:
Right. And, my wife passed away about four years ago. I've remarried, but her background is very interesting. Her father was you talk about physics. She knew the quantum string. Her father was one of the men who helped the Apollo program. And so for lunch and dinner, they'd have Neil Armstrong over and what have you. So but she got into when she moved to Washington State into the supernatural, and she seen disc and and got more into it. And there she said, there is a variance there, if that's the right word. There's a and probably you'd know the word better. Right? This a Portal. A mention portal. There's something going on in the Pacific Northwest, and she moved up from via Brooklyn, Joe's old neighborhood, to California.
But she said when she got up to the Northwest, and she's from the old hippie culture of, you know, hate hate in Ashbury in their area, and she said there's something attractive about that.
[00:28:20] Unknown:
Interesting. Mhmm.
[00:28:23] Unknown:
And she delved into some paganism and very intelligent person, incredibly intelligent. And so, she said, yeah. I know the whole space time continues, but she tried to explain to me about dimensions, and I'm still that's how many dimensions there are that's over my pay grade. Yeah. Yeah. There's,
[00:28:41] Unknown:
to to my knowledge, there's quite a few. I mean, they they they claim at least nine, but it's, I don't know exactly how they know that and, if that's accurate at all. But, yeah, there's absolutely more than the one that we can see, touch, taste, feel in for sure.
[00:29:00] Unknown:
I'm back, guys. Sorry to sorry to keep you waiting.
[00:29:03] Unknown:
No worries at all. It was we were we were having a good conversation for sure. So Gotta get some Sasquatch there. Well, yeah. Right.
[00:29:09] Unknown:
Well, you know, if if Wayne doesn't trim that beard a little bit, it's just not looking like one. Yeah. Nothing wrong with that, though. Right? No. Not at all. Well, I'm not one to talk to you, my friend.
[00:29:19] Unknown:
Not Been mistaken for Santa Claus on leave.
[00:29:23] Unknown:
And since you've been here, it looks like you'd be you're starting to gain the weight again too. So Yeah. You might have to drop 35 pounds out. I have to. Yeah. I think so. I think so. But, but But what what fascinates me about, you know, getting into the the UAP thing is,
[00:29:38] Unknown:
like, I've got a brother who's very much into watching a lot of this stuff, and he seems to think that The US has anti gravity technology that we have taken from, you know, these some of these spacecraft. And I I I struggle to believe that because, from, you know, being with with physics as a background, it it's from everything I know, it's kinda like the, the idea of a, perpetual motion machine. It's with our material science and the, you know, the resistance we get from, air and these these different things. It's essentially impossible is what, you know, what what physics will tell you as far as the anti gravity idea. However, you get into time, and it's like, you know, what what's time? You know, we we now know that it's not a constant. It's if you're out in outer space, it's moving at a, you know, much slower, depending on how far away you are, pace than it is here.
And so, you know, a lot of these people that I was mentioning earlier as far as that that are, you know, channelers and that type of thing they talk about or these people that go into near death experiences may be a better example, but they talk about how time doesn't exist on the other side. And, you you know, it what what they seem like they were gone for two years, and then they when they wake up from their NDE, they're like, wow. You were, you know, you were out for ten minutes. And so it's, you know, it's really fascinating. So, you know, what I guess what I'm kinda saying is that with our space time that we're in, we are far more limited with the density because now through quantum physics, you know, we now know that more or less everything is made up of energy waves. I mean, if you break down if you get below the atomic level, you know, it they there was a big breakthrough when they found out that, you know, there's there's protons and electrons and that type of thing smaller than atoms.
And now they know that even those protons, you know, you break that down, it's in you're you're getting into waveforms and that type of thing. So, you know, it's, on Earth here, we're living in a far more dense energy level. And so, it's very clear that a lot of these UAPs have technology that basically can isolate from our limits, if you will, as far as, you know, g forces, for instance, or, you know, air resistance, or the fact that they can travel underwater in some cases where they've got, documentation that are appear to be going 200 plus miles an hour and not making any waves, you know, that kind of thing. Just beyond our physics completely.
[00:32:11] Unknown:
Speaking of, moving at rapid rates. Alright. I I wanted to mention this earlier, but like I said, I had to step out really quick. You know, one of the one of the first questions that I want that I had wanted to ask you was and, of course, this is based on our earlier conversation, which, by the way, was a great conversation. Really appreciated that one. We should have been recording that. You you were right. That was that was nice. Absolutely. That was really, really good. But, something that had actually happened, to me, the an experience that I had, I've always been interested in in extraterrestrial existence.
I'm not gonna say life because, like we talked earlier, I don't think that there's life as we know it outside or off of this plane in which we live. I think that that what we deal with when we come across these, these entities, these grays, or, you know, that that's that's most common, you know, it's not Mhmm. Typically the little green men that you got from, you know, Mars takes over the world type stuff. But, so, about a year or so ago, I was on a flight coming back, for coming back to Texas from New York. And, again, this is something I had I had in my notes. I wanted to mention to you earlier when we were talking, but I I didn't get the chance to.
So I'm on the flight, and I don't normally sit by a window. Alright? And, because I I I first of all, I'm I'm I'm deathly afraid of heights. So just sitting by the window is, like, terrifying. But the the other thing is, I need to stretch. I'm I'm a big guy. So, but I'm sitting by this window, and I don't know. I just I just looked out the window, and I think we were somewhere over one of the plain states coming back somewhere along there. And, I just saw this object, and, now now seeing these these Tic Tac videos that are out there, you know, that's kind of what it looked like, but it looked very elongated. It was moving very, very quickly.
And I remember seeing it off in the distance as as, you know, I'm looking out the window, and I'm like, wow. If that's a plane or another another commercial flight. I I don't I don't think they normally would fly so close to one another. And the closer we got to this thing, I mean, it would it just, like, right past the window. And, I don't know what it was. It absolutely did not look like a plane, not especially not a commercial airliner, and I don't think I don't think, a small, like a like a Cessna or a private plane or would would be able to fly at the altitude. I'm not a I'm not a pilot, so I don't know. But at the same altitudes that a commercial flight, would be flying across the country.
And, man, that just absolutely peaked my curiosities once again into these phenomena. And, since then, I I've I've been checking these things out. You know, I like I mentioned earlier, I I became a a big fan of of, Ancient Aliens, because a lot of people poke fun at that. But Ancient Aliens, you know, with the, Georgios Tsoukalos and and all those guys, What was the what was the other guy's name? He wrote that book Chariots to the Gods. What was his name? I don't know if I know that one. Wayne, look it up. Look it up in your phone. Chariots to the Gods. Let let me know what that is.
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I was in sixth grade when he came out.
[00:35:54] Unknown:
Curious. Well, I'm just I didn't think well, never mind. So so so I got very, very, very interested in this stuff again. And, you know, I watched this thing, but, you know, like, I guess the main question is to me is, and may and maybe we could talk about this a little bit. Do you think that ETs, in the general sense that we know them, exist? You know, do these UAPs, UFOs? Yes? Erich von Daniken. Erich von Daniken. Erich von Daniken. Okay. Alright. Yeah. That's it. So the do these things really exist, or are these things and when I say exist, I mean exist in this physical sense here, you know, within the realm we live, are or are these things interdimensional? Do these things are these things you know, we talk about angels and demons and devils and and things like that, these gray aliens. I mean, I don't personally believe that they exist, physically the way, you know, you and I do. I I believe more that these things are, interdimensional creatures or beings that have the ability to to to come over into our side, and and kinda, you know, screw this a little bit, you know, just to put it mildly.
So what's your take on that thing? Do you do you think that that this is extraterrestrial life? This is life coming from somewhere else out there in the universe, or do you think that this is something that could be interdimensional?
[00:37:28] Unknown:
Well, to be honest with you, I think both. I think that, there are light beings, you know, these people, like I said, that go into near death experience talks a lot of times about experiencing these light beings that are, you know, appear to be eight, nine feet tall, you know, that that they don't they they they have a human form of of sorts, but they, clearly are not made of the, you know, the same dense flesh and stuff that we are here. But on the other side of the coin, there is, again, if you look at some of these higher ranked generals and stuff in the military that got, interviewed by the, you know, subcommittee from the government, They talked to and these guys got have nothing to gain by making this crap up. In fact, if anything, it they look ridiculous by coming up with these stories. You know what I mean? So they talk about literally having flesh nonhuman beings in captivity in this country.
[00:38:33] Unknown:
Exactly. Now now I'm glad you mentioned these subcommittee hearings. For those folks who may not be aware of this and, you know, or maybe not have seen this, I have two clips here for us that I'm I'm gonna play here. I'm not gonna play the whole clip because each one is about five minutes, but, just gonna play a couple of minutes. We can we can we can comment over it as it's going, to keep it moving along. And, you know, just just to get a sense of what exactly we're talking about with these, testimonies. So, this is the first clip I'm gonna play is from a Navy pilot, who is testifying, before a subcommittee of Congress about these, these UAPs that, that that they have encountered and some of the things that, that he has seen, not only in the air, but on the ground. Let's take a listen. Thank you. Commander Fravor Fravor.
[00:39:24] Unknown:
Thank you. Thank you, mister chairman, congressman, congresswoman. I wanna first thank you for the invitation to speak to the committee on the UAP topic that's been in the news for the past six years and seems to be continuing to gain momentum. As you know, my name is David Fravor. I'm retired commander in the United States Navy. In 02/2004, I was a commanding officer of strike fighter squadron forty one, the world famous Black Aces. We are attached to carrier air wing eleven stationed onboard the USS Nimitz and had begun a two month workup cycle off the Coast Of California. On this day, we were scheduled for a two v two air to air training with the USS Princeton as our control.
When we launched off Nimitz, my wingman was joining up. We were told that the training was gonna be suspended, and we're doing we're going to proceed with real world tasking. As we proceeded to the West, the air controller was counting down the range to an object that we were going to, and we were unaware of what we were going to see when we arrived. There, the controller told us that these objects, had been observed for over two weeks coming down from over 80,000 feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet, hanging out for hours, and then going straight back up. For those who don't realize, above 80,000 feet is space. We arrived at the location at approximately 20,000 feet in the controller called merge plot, which means that our radar blip was now in the same resolution cell as the contact. As we looked around, we noticed that we saw some white water off our right side. It's important to note that the weather on this day was as close to perfect as you could ask for off the coast of San Diego. Clear skies, light winds, calm seas, no white caps from waves, So the white water stood out in a large blue ocean.
All four of us, because we were an f 18 f, so we had pilots and WSO in the back seat, looked down a small, saw a white Tic Tac object with a longitudinal axis pointing north south and moving very abruptly over the water like a ping pong ball. There were no rotors, no rotor wash, or any sign of visible control surfaces like wings. As we started clockwise towards the object, my wiz and I decided to go down and take a closer look with the other aircraft staying in high cover to observe both us and the Tic Tac. We proceeded around the circle about 90 degrees from the start of our descent, and the object suddenly shifted its longitudinal axis, aligned it with my aircraft, and began to climb.
We continued down another 270 degrees nose low where the Tic Tac or we consumed 270 degrees toward and we went nose low to where the Tic Tac would have been. Our altitude at this point was about 15,000 feet, and the Tic Tac was about 12,000. As we pulled nose onto the object within about a half mile of it, it rapidly accelerated in front of us and disappeared. Our wingman, roughly 8,000 feet above us, lost contact also. We immediately turned back to see where the white water was at, and it was gone also. So as you started to turn back towards the east, the controller came up and said, sir, you're not gonna believe this, but that thing is at your cap point roughly 60 miles away in less than a minute.
You can calculate the speed. We returned to Nimitz. We were taking off our gear. We were talking to one of my crews who was getting ready to launch. We mentioned it to him, and they went out and luckily got the video that you see, that ninety second video. What you don't see is the radar tape that was never released, and we don't know where it's at of the active jamming that the object put on an APG 73 radar, and I can get into modes later if you're interested. What is shocking to us is that the incident was never investigated. None of my crew were ever questioned. Tapes were never taken. And after a couple days, it turned into a great story with friends. It wasn't until 02/2009 till Jay Stratton had contacted me to investigate. Unbeknownst all, he was part of the ATIP program in the Pentagon led by Lou Elizondo.
And there was an unofficial official report that came out that's now on the Internet. Years later, I was
[00:42:53] Unknown:
So if if you if if you were following along there, I know I played a little bit more than I really wanted to on that one. Basically, basically, this is this is what he was describing basically. I know we've all seen this clip many, many times. It's been all over the place. Roger,
[00:43:21] Unknown:
there's no shooting too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you not swimming party? Two. No. I took it on a track. Oh, okay. Oh my gosh, dude. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Okay.
[00:43:40] Unknown:
Now now I I understand that that that these guys are professional, and this is military. You know, these guys fly, you know, you know, for for for, you know, a living. If I saw something like that, I don't know if I'd be reacting with with the giggles and the laughs like that. I I don't I to me, when I see that, to me, it it doesn't seem like they're shocked by this, that they're finding it just more humorous. Like, this is not something they weren't expecting to see, but they were just they were more they were more, more like an impressed, you know, looking at
[00:44:23] Unknown:
They they talk they talk a lot about how, under what's the word I'm looking for? That, you know, there there there's so many times that people are actually witnessing these things that never get, documented or never get told to the to the to the world. There's I I I I think it was, one interview I was listening to was they had, like, 70 pilots in the military that have all, you know, under oath have have have claimed to have seen these things. And they're saying, you know, the number is far, far higher than that. And there's a lot of, commercial pilots that have seen things too, and they they're just too afraid to come out because of the, you know, the potential humiliation.
So the fact that, you know, you had seen something similar is not surprising in the least to me. Right.
[00:45:15] Unknown:
And, actually, as, as we were watching that, I was kinda scrolling around, and I came across I came across this clip, which I thought was very interesting to see. This is, this is actually just a few months ago. This is over in New Mexico. Another one of those Tic Tac sightings. I don't know if you see it up there. There it is. And, honestly, that's kinda something like what I saw when I looked out the window, but moving much, much faster than that. Like shape wise, but now here's the thing though, I don't know if you can hear it. Yeah, I can. You hear the humming? Yes. That sounds like drones.
[00:46:06] Unknown:
I was gonna say, that almost seems more like,
[00:46:08] Unknown:
man made one to me. Exactly. But my my my point was this, is that that's kinda like the shape that I saw, obviously, moving much, much faster than that. And, I mean, just unbelievable. But the reason why I wanted to point it out is because it that's kinda what it looked like.
[00:46:26] Unknown:
Well, they, you know, they talk about a lot of these Tic Tac, forms being in some kind of a almost like a translucent sphere. Mhmm. And you can you can see, like, a, cube, a gray cube inside of them that where the corners appear to touch the cube on the outside. And a lot of these guys talk about it. It's like, you know, from a physics standpoint, they're not aerodynamic at all. I mean, it's basically like this oval ball, and yet they're able to, you know, pierce through our air without making a sonic boom and traveling at, you know, Mach plus speeds at, you know, ridiculous acceleration rates and that type of thing. And that's why I say I I really don't believe that they're nearly as restricted to the, you know, three-dimensional were world that we tend to live in.
And when you see one that looks like it's it's it's traveling faster than the speed of light, I think in a lot of those cases, it's popping out of our, dimension and then popping back in in a different location.
[00:47:30] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I I I I'm familiar with that with that argument also. I I I've recently actually watched something on, on on, on TV about that. It's it's almost like, shifting time. Like, almost similar to what, like, a warped drive in, like, Star Trek would be or a hyperdrive in Star Trek would be that, you know, generating some kind of a a a field in front of the craft that, you know, basically distorts time and space and enables them like, you know, like, it's like the it's like the wormhole, subject that Einstein talked about. Right. Basically, you know, what do they do? They they they take and they fold space, you know, this way. Because the distance from from here I don't know if where am I? So so the distance from here to here would take, you know, considerable amount of time, but yet through techno through the technology they possess, they're able to fold time and space like this and be able to punch through from one spot to another much, much faster, obviously, and then and then resume that time and space as it goes through.
So it's it's it's fascinating to me. I I I love this stuff, and I think this I think this stuff is, just absolutely amazing. It's a very interesting idea. It's a very interesting concept to think that there are these these entities that are out there that have the ability to do this. Now earlier today, we were talking about our mutual, religious backgrounds and religious experience and spirituality and and such. And and we were talking about how in, in in the Bible, you know, you have in Ezekiel chapter one, we mentioned, you have Ezekiel's wheels, wheels within wheels where and and that's where a lot of folks look at that and say, well, that's that's that's a classic example of UFO. Yeah. Okay. It's unidentified.
It's it's flying. It's it's it's an object they don't understand. Sure. A UFO. But if you go on to read the description of it, to me, it seems more like this is almost an organic thing. So looking at that, I I sometimes I kinda look at it like and I think, you know, I this might be, again, another example of inter inter interdimensional beings. I'll I'll get the word out sometime. One of these days, I will master the English language at some point. But but, but I I do I really I look at those stories, and I see those things, and and it and it just it it boggles your mind. And then you see you you take those those biblical stories, then you look at what what people are reporting on seeing today. Like, Travis Walton. You you know the story of Travis Walton?
I do. From the nineteen seventies. He was abducted by a UFO. And, and,
[00:50:22] Unknown:
Is that the one they made those the movie Fire in the Sky? Fire in the Sky. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.
[00:50:27] Unknown:
So so, you know, he was abducted, and, they were they're what that the description that that he gave was, to me, very similar to what you find in biblical ex, descriptions of these types of phenomena. And, it it just makes you wonder. I mean, this stuff is being has been talked about for centuries. Even before, you know, even before the Bible was written down, you know, again, like we talked about earlier today, every culture in the world has a flood theory, a flood myth, a flood story, alright, where it's one guy who gets this special revelation from somewhere, whether it's, in my personal belief, you know, God let him know what was happening.
Somebody else might say, well, you know, it it was ET letting him know that something was going to happen. And but every culture in the world has one of those, those flood stories, and it's all very similar. What exactly is that? Is that
[00:51:28] Unknown:
Oh, I think absolutely some, you know, percentage of the, the proof of of what you know, it's like you said. It's not not just centuries, but for millennium. I mean, they're you know, you go back to these cave drawings. All over the world, they've got very similar drawings in these caves that they found on different continents. So it's not like these people were able to communicate with each other and say, hey. Let's draw this. You know? And and they'll they're drawing what very much look like flying saucers. And a lot of the, beans that they're drawing have, like, these bird like beaks or fish heads.
Mhmm. And it's like, where did they come up with this? Why are they so similar thousands of miles away in completely different continents that was on, you know, way before we had the ability to transport, you know, via plane and everything else. So it's to me, that's it's it it all ties together. It's all proof that there is no question that these beings exist outside of our dimension or, you know, some believe that they travel interplanetary. I I'm not I'm not a big believer in that just based on, you know, if I take all of the information that I've acquired. It it doesn't it doesn't fit nearly as well as the interdimensional scenario.
[00:52:51] Unknown:
Yeah. And I I I agree with you on that. And I I think, you know, Wayne can can also comment on this too. I mean, scripturally speaking, biblically speaking, you know, the description of of angels in the book of Revelation, the the description of angels throughout throughout the Bible, you know, they, was it in rebel is it was it in revelation? I'm I'm having a brain freeze at the moment, where it was talking about oh, no. It was it was Ezekiel. You know, he had the head of a lion and the body of a something with eagle's wings and talons and, you know, just a a a mix. Many eyes. Many eyes circling about. I mean, and yet when you see the UFO or the UAP now I like UFO better. I'm sorry. I do I do too. You know?
You know, you you see those I mean, this I don't I don't know, man. I'd I'm I'm more I'm getting more and more convinced that the that that what we're seeing in in the skies and and that's gonna touch on something else I wanna I wanna ask you about. You know, you know, they they just might be exactly what the folks saw in the bible in bible days, that, you know, are interdimensional beings, angels, demons, devils, you know, whatever. And and, you know, and that's that once I wanna lead that into, you know, all this drone activity or alleged drone activity that was taking place just prior to, Donald the election this year, Donald Trump taking office in January, and then how mysteriously it all stopped.
[00:54:33] Unknown:
You know? I'm actually glad you brought that up. I it's I'm a firm believer and, again, I'm taking this from information from a lot of these people that have had, you know, readings, from the other side as well as near death experiences and that type of thing. And they all say I shouldn't say all. That's a little tongue in cheek. But a majority of them say that these, interdimensional beings, one of their primary purposes is to keep us from more or less destroying ourselves. Mhmm. So I I very much believe it was possible that there was some sort of a nuclear risk going on because, you know, even, like, I believe it was during the Cuban missile crisis, there was a large number of all of a sudden, UAP sightings and that type of thing that were suddenly showed up out of nowhere and then disappeared after they got kind of fizzled out. And it was the same thing. The nuclear tests began in the nineteen forties,
[00:55:33] Unknown:
leading up to the the detonation of the bombs over, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You that's when that's when you started to see more and more of this UFO activity increasing. You had the Foo Fighters over in Germany. You also had that incident that took place over in Los Angeles, where the US military, unloaded on whatever it was that was coming over that they thought the Japanese were invading. And, they hit nothing. They expended millions of rounds of, of of of artillery, ammunition, and there was nothing to be seen for it. And they were hitting it dead on as it was coming up overhead.
So, yeah, I agree with you. I I think that, you know, when when when there's a detection of some type of a or or potential nuclear or beyond nuclear threat. I yeah. I I I I I guess, you know, when that first bomb went off, we caught somebody's attention, you know, if if you're going with the extraterrestrial, or interdimensional, theory. You know, you caught somebody's attention with that. And so now, hey. Look. You know, who are these little talking monkeys that, all of a sudden
[00:56:49] Unknown:
have the ability to wipe off? Well, you know, and and, you know, there's there's a lot of people that have the philosophy that, you know, we're more or less a zoo here on the planet, and they are, you know, more or less, keeping us from, like I said, blowing ourselves up, but almost like an experiment. In fact, you know, you talk about, going back into the the biblical days and stuff, and, of course, there's this whole theory of evolution, right, as far as, you know, transforming from ape to man and that kind of thing. And what's fascinating about that, the only reason I bring it up, is because there was this very abrupt change from, you know, in in in the evolutionary process where it took millions and millions of years for these different, creatures to modify, if you will, to to to meet the new environment, the new predators, new prey, that kind of thing.
But yet the human evolution happened so fast, and, of course, you know, guys like you and I are gonna believe that this was because of, you know, the whole the whole Christian's perspective. But there are you know, from an evolution standpoint, it's there are people that very much believe that the aliens or or inner interdimensional beings have basically, intervened, and that's why all of a sudden there was this massive change so quickly and why we are so much more advanced intellectually than any other creature on the planet. So I I think that's a fascinating topic as well. And, again, it's you know, it it it it can be taken different ways. But, yeah, it's it's it's really fascinating.
[00:58:29] Unknown:
It is. And, I and I know the theory you're talking about, that that that show that I that I mentioned earlier, Ancient Aliens, you know, they had a they had a couple of shows dedicated exactly to that subject where, you know, you know, were we first of all, you know, you know, were we seated here by some Mhmm. Outside, you know, some outside intelligence, you know. And and did did they wipe out the dinosaur to give their experiment the chance to get a foothold on the on the land? And, you know, it's it's a very interesting theory. Now now, again, I don't give that much credence because of my my my spiritual beliefs, my biblical beliefs.
You know, I I I I don't, I I I could see microevolution, but not macroevolution. I I can understand those slight changes at the micro level, over time. But, I believe that we were created by God. And to some people, God might be, you know, the big ET in the sky. Right. You know? And and and in some ways, that's not exactly incorrect. You know? He is extraterrestrial. He is outside of the Earth, outside of this terrestrial plane. So, you know, it wouldn't be
[00:59:52] Unknown:
it's a little disrespectful, I think, but, you know, it's it's not I I tend to agree with you. I I I believe that both evolution and creation can exist because I no question. I I a hundred percent believe that, we were, you know, we were created. In fact, I would argue that, I sort of look at God now as a if you were to imagine a beach filled with sand and that sand is that entire beach is God and every speck of sand on that beach is one of us. Mhmm. So to me, we all are essentially God. We're we're like part of the body, and that's why, like I said, the biblical, teachings now make more sense to me than they used to in some of the readings regarding that.
And so, but I also believe that, you know, things are supposed to kinda play out and grow. And so, yeah, I don't think it's throwing, Christianity aside or vice versa, throwing evolution aside to state that both can coexist. Mhmm. You know, that there there that as like, for instance, I have a real hard time buying the idea that there was this big bang spark, and it created it created cells. Right? So you could argue, okay. This happens every whatever billion years or something. So what's the probability that these cells not only land in an environment when they're created, you know, because we've never seen any sort of evidence of this this this bang necessarily happening that created cells.
So it happens in this random, you know, multibillion dollar or billion year scenario. But not only are these cells in a perfect environment where they can survive, they've got, you know, the food and the the nutrients and the, you know, oxygen or whatever they need, but they have this magic ability to duplicate themselves Right. And then start turning into creatures Yeah. Before they before they are destroyed by, you know, age or whatever. It's just none of it makes any sense. So there has to be a, creation scenario. But, again, you know, there is evidence that things do change over thousands of years. So I yeah. I very much believe both coexist. Right. At the micro level. It's it's like,
[01:02:12] Unknown:
you know, I I've never seen any explosion create order. I mean, if you if Right. You know, if if you if you believe in, if you if you believe in planetary systems and outer space, you know, and and and and all of that, and you look at how it's all laid out. And I and I say it that way for a reason, and I'll I'll I'll come back to that in a second. You you look you you look at the way everything is laid out, how everything is perfectly balanced, perfectly timed. You know, you look at the if if you if you believe in this and you you believe in in in planets and orbits and and and whatnot and and the and the angles that that the that the that like for example, the Earth has to be pitched at 23 something degrees. Otherwise, you know, a tenth of a degree one way, a tenth of a degree the other way, you're either burning up in a huge fireball or you're an ice ball. Yep. You know, how does how does chaos Right. Create perfection?
[01:03:22] Unknown:
%. And why aren't you know, you'd think if there was this big explosion, these planets would be slamming into each other and destroying each other all of the time. And yet there seems to be this amazing order where, you know, certain planets fall, circles a star because of this magic gravity that no one's been able to figure out what it is. I'm so glad you said that. I was gonna come to that in a minute. Yeah. And and, you know, and the other thing that and then when you go on to a micro level, they're now finding that, you know, cells and and, atoms and these different things often have the same type of process and organization that planets do, but just on a far you know, and what's the probability of that happening?
You know, it's just there's no way that, we came out of some big bang. There's just no way.
[01:04:16] Unknown:
You know, when when my kids were in were in school, and then when they were very young, I remember my daughter came to me, and and Wayne Wayne knows my daughter since she's, what, maybe nine years old Yep. Or so. And my daughter is is a is a smart girl. She always was. She had a sense about her. And I remember when she was in school, and, we had been teaching at church at our church on, creation and Genesis and and the creation account in Genesis. And, she came to she came to me one day, and and she said, dad, can I ask you a question? I was like, sure. She goes, we believe that God created everything. Right? I said, yeah.
She goes, well, in school, they they were telling us that there was this this big bang. Do you know what that is? I said, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I totally believe in the big bang. And she was like, you do? And I said, yeah, I do. God said it, and bang, it came into existence. Perfect. Mhmm. You know? And then she went back to school, and she told the teacher that, and then I got a phone call from the teacher. You know? But, you know, but, but, yeah, it's it's it's just the way it is. It it's I I you can't get order out of chaos. It just doesn't Right. Like, what like, okay. So if if if the Big Bang Theory is is what how it all happened, how come when we when we drop the bomb on Nagasaki and and, and Hiroshima, you know, how come we didn't get universes and galaxies, just all automatically appear in in perfect synchronicity?
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Right. Yeah. Very good point. Well, the fact that, you know, from this so so things are constantly expanding. You know, try to get your head around that. The speed that, the planets are moving away from, you know, the the center, if you will, wherever that would be, is, you know, it's it's how is that possible where you would have this continuation and it just keeps growing? And that's how they can kinda predict how old the universe is because they can calculate, you know, by the the speed of light how far out it essentially is, and that shows, like, how far
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this universe has expanded so far. Right. Now now and now I'm gonna trip you up. Okay? Alright. This is where I wanted to come back to. K. Over over the last four years or so, my my opinion on on a lot of what science teaches us has changed. I started trusting what I see more than what the scientist says. And one of the things that, and I get a lot of I get poked a lot of fun at, And we are actually gonna do a show on this subject at some point down the road, but I need to make sure I have all my my i's dotted and my t's crosses crossed before I, bring it all out there. But I I am of the position that we are not on a globe spinning around us around the sun at twenty three thousand miles a second.
I've I've around the sun that's traveling through the universe at 600 interesting number, by the way, 666,000 miles a second. I I I look out. I I live in a desert. You know? Eagle Pass is basically a desert. There's a this is just flat open space. I if you go by what science says as far as curvature of the Earth goes, there should be curvature every eight miles or so. Well, on a clear day, you could see clear across the ranch that I go to. On a on a beautifully clear day, you can see clear across it more than eight miles, and I don't see any curvature.
You know? Interesting. I don't see I I look at it I go I go to the beach or I go someplace and and I look over the horizon. I don't see a curve. I see a straight line.
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So out of curiosity, what what do you think is the alternate then? Like, what what how if we're not on this on this globe, what do you think is, our reality?
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I think that the Earth is a flat plane. Okay. I I can't say that I I cannot say that it, you know, it it just abruptly comes to an end. I think it goes on for quite an immeasurable distance, but I think it's flat, possibly round. You know, it could be, you know, a a globe is a ball, you know. You know, just because something's flat doesn't necessarily mean that it's square and that, you know, that has these sharp edges that you're just gonna go falling off of. I mean, take a take a quarter for crying out loud. Lay a quarter down on a table. Is the quarter is the quarter a globe? No. Quarter's flat and it's round. That's what I think, and I think Antarctica itself is an ice wall that goes around our terrestrial plane and that beyond that ice wall, which strangely enough, no government on Earth will allow anyone to really fully explore. They only give you a very small area in which they they let anybody visit and tour, that beyond the ice wall could very well possibly be other civilizations and possibly other dimensional beings.
Interesting. It's it's a it's it's I I can't say that's it. I know for sure. I don't know. I'm I'm still researching. I'm still studying. But I I do remember, Admiral Byrd, and he, conducted an expedition to Antarctica, back in the sixties fifties and sixties, before any government got down there and said, hold on. You can't come here anymore. And he talked about seeing other civilizations beyond that ice wall. And the interesting thing is is that no matter which direction you go, alright, no matter which direction you go, you always seem to hit Antarctica, the ice wall.
If you look at a flat Earth map, that ice wall goes around, completely around it. And you start at the middle, and any direction you go, you come to the ice wall. And it's the same thing if you look at aviation maps. Ask any pilot. I've seen I've I've seen interviews with with, with pilots, commercial airline pilots, military pilots, asked if they're if they're making adjustments for curvature. Because if you think about it, if a if a plane has to, has to make adjustments for curvature, right, if they didn't make those adjustments, well, if they're just if they're flying alone, they're gonna fly right off into space.
Right. Right? So they would have to constantly turn. So that means they would because of the speed that they traveled, they would have to make an adjustment for curvature every eight minutes. But ask any pilot, and they'll tell you that they don't make any adjustments for curvature. Military snipers do not make do not make adjustments for curvature on their on their on their, on their targets when they're going down range. Interesting. It's a straight shot because there is no and and if and if curve if if the Earth was rotating and spinning, a helicopter wouldn't be able to hang hover motionless.
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Well, I mean, the the the philosophy there is that our, atmosphere is like a protective, cloak, if you will, that, you know, keeps our air speed stable even with the thousands of miles an hour and stuff that we're spinning. Are you familiar with the concept in quantum physics now that they're talking about where, things only exist when you observe them?
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Yeah. Yeah. I've been I've been reading about that. I've been I've been reading about that. Thinking about that when you were talking about this flat earth because,
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you know, the one thing I would say that, you know, might relate with that is, if we're all because they they say our combined consciousness is what creates the, you know, essentially the world that we're we're in. And if everybody sees their particular, little bubble, if you will, as a flat, that, you know, that would almost lean into that, if you will. Yeah. I'm gonna that's I I'm certainly not gonna, say that I % agree with it, but I but I'm not, I'm pretty open minded. I I I could see where that would be a possibility.
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I I just sent Wayne a message. I asked him if you can do me a favor. Wayne, I don't know if you saw the message yet, but if you could in in the in the other room where the bookshelf is Yeah. There's a book in there. Could you I I sent you the title of it. Can you just grab that and bring it over? Because I wanna put it up on the screen here. Yep. It's a it's a big thick one. It's blue, and it has a map on the cover of it.
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But, yeah, there's a lot of really fascinating, things out there that certainly you know, that's one of the things that I find so exciting is that, like I said, I've been kinda delving into this stuff for about the last seven years. Mhmm. And now science is really starting to show that a lot of what I've learned is absolutely true. Do you do you remember,
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Eric Baumgartner? I I do know the name. I can't remember why though. He he did the he he did that jump from the stratosphere or something like that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Okay. So if so again, if the Earth was traveling and rotating, there's no way that he would be able to set a target on the ground for himself to land on and hit that mark, which he obviously did. Now I've seen some videos of this. They have one video that's mounted on the platform that it was on, and it clearly shows the curvature of the Earth. It it clearly shows all that stuff. What they don't tell you is that it's a GoPro camera, And GoPro cameras have fisheye lenses, which make Oh, interesting. Lens curved. Yep. Yep. How we know that is is because there was another camera on board that wasn't a GoPro that did not have a fisheye lens. It was a regular camera lens. Yep. Flat. And it showed it flat as it as far as you can see.
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Interesting.
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And there's other there's other things too that that if I if I brought it all out, that people would I'm just watching the numbers drop off already. You know? Well, I am interested in seeing that podcast when you when you end up doing that. That'll be true. Well, if you'd like, if you wanna join me on that, that'd be great. We can compare notes. You study a little, I'll study a little, we'll compare notes. Sounds like a plan. It could be a lot of fun. Yeah. Absolutely. I love thinking outside the box for sure. Well, I don't I don't know if Wayne's able to find the book for me because he's taking kinda long, but, it should be right there on the, like, second shelf.
But the name of the book oh, you got it. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So this book made a huge impact on, my thoughts on a flat Earth. Now before I show you this, part of the reason why I started questioning it again, not only because of what my eyes tell me. Alright? I think your eyes are the best scientists there are. But I I believe the Bible. I believe that that the Bible is the word of God, that God moved holy men to write the words that the Holy Spirit impressed upon them to write, then that these these are the inspired preserved words of God. Okay? Mhmm. Mhmm. Now, if I believe everything that the Bible tells me is true, accurate, and faithful, there are over 250 verses in the Bible, Old and New Testament, that talk about the Earth as flat, immovable, non rotating, and, again, as someone who who professes to believe the Bible, how do I how do I tell God no?
Well, you're right about all this stuff, but I don't know, you know, the guy in the white lab coat says otherwise, I gotta believe him on that. I I can't do that. I can't reconcile that. So, I heard I I I heard about this book, and it's called I don't know if you could see that. The Greatest Lie on Earth.
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Oh, interesting.
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Alright. By a man named Edward Hendry. This is probably one of the most well researched books I've ever come across on the subject. It is let me see. It goes to it's 616 pages of actual reading, and then it has end note end notes and, references and sites, case studies. It cites NASA documents talking about, a non rotating flat Earth. NASA, by the way. Wow. And it go and the but the end notes and then the citations go from page six hundred six six six hundred seventeen. That's that English problem I got. 617 to 738
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Wow.
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Of just citations and notes.
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Wow. Interesting.
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So very well researched book.
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He takes I've got a good friend that's actually a pretty big believer in that too. I'll definitely ask him if he's, ran across that one yet because I'm sure he'd have interest in it if he didn't. Yeah. A lot of it very early on. I mean, if you're not into
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really studying this stuff, you're gonna get turned off early because it at the very beginning of the book, the first, I wanna say maybe four or five chapters of the book, it's all math. It's all math. And it's and I don't have a great head for math, but, you know, I was able to to to really read this in three or four or five times, but I got it to to the most part, you know, and there's just a ton of really great information. So, so, like, for example, if you could see that, but that's a description talking about the dimensions for curvature.
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Okay. Alright.
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You know? So
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this is it's it's fascinating, and it's it's a subject that that gets me in trouble sometimes. But, you know, it's it's alright. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. Well, as always, I I I I enjoy getting into conversations on, like I said, topics that are outside the outside the box because how else do you really grow? You know? I'm a firm believer in, you know, I I I love comfort as much as anybody, but, you know, if your goal is to live in comfort all the time, you're you're never gonna grow and you're gonna get awful bored awful fast.
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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And so so so yeah. So that's my position. I I do believe in a in a flat, non rotating earth. Mhmm. Somebody asked me one time on the other podcast I was doing because I had made a reference to it, because I would always whenever I was talk talking about Earth, I would always say the plane on which we live, the flat plane on which we live. And somebody had sent me a message and asked me, are you one of those flat earthers? And I was like, no. I believe what the Bible teaches, because it was a Bible study podcast that I was doing. So Sure. I I believe what the Bible teaches. I believe what the Apostle Paul taught on it. And so they they wrote back a couple of days later and said, alright. Well, then tell me, what did the apostle Paul, teach that we're on a flat Earth? Alright? Here's the references. Go look them up.
You know?
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I think That's good. So I don't I I don't look at the Bible, you know, nearly as fundamental as you do. But, I mean, if, you know, like you said, if it's if it's listed over 200 times, that's kinda hard to argue. You know? Like, I would I would argue that, you know, if someone had a a dream or something that was a that was obviously influenced heavily by God's message, it may not be a hundred percent accurate in my mind.
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But I I totally see what you're saying as far as if you got 200 different things, though, saying the same thing. Right. It's kinda it's kinda hard to wash that away. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So you take it by faith. You take it, and then trust your eyes too. You know? Look. Just, you know, just find just find an open area where you can stand there and look. You know, somebody says, well, what about when you see the boat going over the horizon? Okay. Well, you know what? They have cameras, that have these amazing lenses so that if you just zoom in just a little bit, you'll you'll pull the whole boat right back into frame.
Now if there was curvature, you wouldn't be able to do that. Right.
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Yeah. That would agree with. You know? So Interesting.
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It it's it's amazing stuff. I mean and just just trust your eyes. And then they I know they tried this, and I was thinking about bringing this up. Like, I I would I had so much video on this that I I didn't pull it up to the studio. I can't do it now, but, they recently did this, this this, study down in Antarctica where they had the twenty four hour sun recorded, you know, to prove that the Earth was round. And yeah. Okay. So they have this they have these cameras set up, and they they they have this they they they focus on on the sun, and and the camera is turning as the sun's turning. And, you know, and you see that, and, you know, all of a sudden you're like, oh, man. May well, could I be wrong? That maybe they were right? You know, you start feeling stupid. You know? Yeah. But then but then you start really looking at it and looking at the video, and you could see that the video was manipulated. It it's not a pure video.
The shadows are wrong. The colors are wrong. You know? The the the shading, the hue, just none of it matches if the sun was actually moving in a circle like that around the bottom of the Earth, by the way. You know, around that thing, it's all wrong. It it doesn't add up. So, you know, it it it's one of those things. And then here's another here's another thing. This is it's meant to make you laugh really when you when you think about it, but the reality of it is is very true. Are the people in Antarctica at the very bottom of the Earth upside down? Why do they see everything the same way we would see it if we were on the North Northern Hemisphere as, you know, right side up. And then what about what about boats and and such that are traveling across the Equator? Are they sideways?
Yeah. No. I I hear what you're saying. Go around, and then they argue that, well, you know, just the the Earth is just so big, so you don't really see the curvature. But yet, they'll go out and they'll point out, see, look. There's curvature right there. There's curvature over there. Look out your windows. Curvature. Which is it? Is it that the Earth is so big that you don't notice the curvature or or the positioning? Or is
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it small enough that you can see it? Well, I guess from that so from that standpoint, my thought would be as far as upside down, you know, you you you've got gravity pulling you towards the the center of the Earth. Right? Because it's the scary. Well, yeah, true. But, I mean, they they, like I said, they don't really know what gravity is, but you certainly know that no matter where you go on the planet, if you were to drop something, it's gonna fall towards the planet. Right? Right. And so if you're, you know, on the on the bottom and gravity's pulling you towards that, you know, the, I the experience in my mind would be the same either way because Well, I see it. I I still think you'd be upside down.
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I think you're just getting pulled
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to the center from the bottom. Well, so so on that note, though, what is what is upside down? Like, why why would the top of the earth
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Right.
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Be necessarily, up right side up? I mean, what what what are you using for reference? My reference would be gravity. So if gravity is in the center of the planet, which is, you know, the the they they they know that as you get closer and closer to the core, the gravity gets stronger. Right? How do they know that? How do they know that? By by measuring the, like caves and stuff. They, you know, the, the I I don't know how they measure it exactly, but they scientifically certainly talk like that's the case. Okay. And so if that's if that's your reference, gravity in the center of the planet, then I I, yeah, I guess I would my my mind goes to the to the idea that it wouldn't really matter because that's what makes it feel like you're upside down or right side up is the is is gravitational force.
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So then gravity can hold the atmosphere in place. Gravity can hold the the trillions of tons of water to the Earth while the Earth is spinning at 23,000 miles a second, rotating around the sun at 666,000 miles a second, but yet a bird can still fly.
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No. I I know exactly where you're going with this. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I know. I totally know what you're saying. I totally so here again, I think that comes back to the miracle. Right? The miracle of life. And, like you said, we don't really know what gravity is. This is a great conversation. And and and, again, what what does hold our atmosphere to the planet? All we know is that it tends to be this protect protective barrier that essentially makes, you know, the wind speeds and stuff essentially stay still for the most part even though, like you said, we're spinning. So, yeah, I mean, I think I I view that as very much a creation God thing. That's not a evolution type scenario. Like, if you have this big bang, you're not gonna have this atmosphere protecting the planet. Yeah. No. For sure. And, you know, and encompassing everybody in this fluffy envelope of of wonderfulness with blue skies and trees that don't have leaves blowing that kind of thing. Oh, for sure. No. I So I I mean, I I I a % agree with that, that it makes no sense from that standpoint, the speeds and stuff that we're moving. And the byproduct. But I also find it you know, from that standpoint, I also find it fascinating that, you know, they're they're building, trains now that can go 500 plus miles an hour.
And yet when you're on that train, you can walk from the front to the back. And even though you're going 500 miles an hour, it's all in relation, right, to the trains moving that speed. So it doesn't feel or no different than you're on an airline and the airplane. I was gonna say the plane too. I mean, you can Yeah. Same same exact thing. You walk to the bathroom or whatever. It doesn't feel like you're gonna fall down because of this force that's, you know, moving you forward at 500 plus miles an hour. Yep. So to me, it's kinda the same thing. There are a lot of questions to it, and I don't profess to have the answers to everything on this subject. I really don't. I'm I'm still learning. I'm exploring it myself. No. I to be honest, I really appreciate the fact, though, that you're looking at it from such a obscure, viewpoint because, like I said, how else do we really grow if we just stay stuck in this mindset that this is the way it is because this is what they told us.
You know, that's why I'm so grateful for, like, quantum physics because it's starting to disprove a lot of the physics and stuff that we were, you know, married to as absolute biblical truth in the science world. Mhmm. And now they're finding that a lot of it's just BS. It's just not true at all. Yes, sir. So it's super fascinating.
[01:28:59] Unknown:
Yes, sir. I'm looking at the clock here. We're an hour thirty four minutes. So, I think this would probably be a good time to to wrap up our little chat here. And then, I would love to have you come on the show again at some point. So let's Yeah. Absolutely. Let's get together let's get together after this and, and and try to work out something with that. Wayne, do you have anything for, Mark, before we
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continue on? No. Just keep looking up.
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Hey, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate, spending time with both of you guys. What an interesting conversation. What's what what was that line?
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Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching the stars. That was great. Not the best Casey Kasem, but, you know, I tried. I tried. No. I tried. Alright, folks. We're gonna do we're gonna take a very, very quick break here just so I can reset the computer and pull up our, techs at fack of the day. And, we'll come back, in just maybe not even not even two minutes. Alright, folks. So this is the podcast, by the way, new merch. I don't know if you like that. Just got here today. Nice. And so and we got stickers and all kinds of great stuff. So, Mark, you're gonna have to send me your address so I can send you a couple of these things so you can spread out the word for me. Sounds good. Alright. So One last thing. I'm an old disciple of Art Bell. Oh, yeah. Art, he was I liked how he could just,
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you know, just dry right off the he didn't have any screeners. Just West Of The Rockies. What do you got? And he had a open mind about everything. Yep.
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I used to listen to Art Bell. He used they used to simulcast his show when I was a kid back in New York. So two, 03:00 in the morning, I'd hear Art Bell. It was great. It was great stuff. Alright. So let's, let's take this break, and we will be right back. Wayne, don't forget to turn off your camera when we go on the break. Okay. All right. Folks, this is the podcast. Please don't forget to like, subscribe, and share the show with your friends, your family, and your followers. Help us to spread the show out, and let's build our following. Thank you for the tens of people that are watching right now on Rumble. And our our audio stream failed tonight, so we don't have any audio going. So like I said, I'll have to rip the audio later on and just upload it. Alright. So we will be back right after this. Just, stick around.
This podcast is hosted on PodHome.FM, an intelligent Alright, folks. Welcome back to the podcast. Well, that was a great conversation.
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Yep.
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I was I'm kinda disappointed that he, he checked out. I thought he was gonna stick around for a little bit, but that's alright. That's alright. Well, folks, that was Mark Becker. What a what a great talk, man. I I really enjoyed that, and I'm looking forward to having him come back on the show again. I had so many more clips and such that I wanted to bring out, but, you know, the conversation just got just out there. So and that was great. Love it. Love guests like this. Really, really, really do. I learned so much. Alright. Well, I'm gonna make this as quick as we possibly can. Gonna rip the Band Aid off. Folks, as you know, I am a member of the Texas Nationalist Movement. I am the deputy county coordinator out here at Maverick County, and, Texas is something that's very important to me, very, very close, to my heart, and it's something that that, I I firmly believe is going to, take place in my lifetime, and I'm really, really looking forward to seeing that happen. We're closer now than at any point, in in recent, TNM history, to that moment. We have, we have more elected representatives in the Texas State House, that are Texas first, candidates that are, willing to, pledge their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor on this. So something that is greatly, greatly needed today. Now I understand, you know, folks, you know, Donald Trump being in office is going to make a lot of, changes for us. It might even make Texas harder in some ways because the prosperity that the country itself is going to see, the The United States, and it's, so our work's gonna be cut out for us to say the least. But don't care.
Still gonna leave because it's the best thing for the country. Not only, and it's and it's not it's not even a radical idea. It's something that's natural. You know, it's it's kind of like if you are in a marriage where you were constantly being abused, are you gonna stay in that marriage? Of course not. You're gonna step away. You're you're going to leave. You're going to, break that covenant. You're going to, assert your independence. And that's exactly what states like Texas are going to do. Again, 25 states in the in the country, right, and in the union, have some form of a, a secession, legislation working its way through their state legislatures, through the legislative process. So it's not something that's that's that's, that's foreign. I mean, Wayne, for I mean, you think about it.
What was the American Revolution? It was a secession From England. Of '13 individual countries from the Empire of Great Britain. When the Treaty of France was was drafted and written up and signed, it was signed by the representatives of 13 individual countries. It wasn't a declaration of, wasn't a declaration of peace and secession of hostilities between Great Britain and the American Union. It was a secession of hostilities and a treaty of peace between New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, the 13 states, the 13 original states. So secession's a normal thing.
It's what happens when the abuse and listen, folks, if you think about it, the 13 states that revolted and and seceded from Great Britain did so for much, much less than what this government does to the states at this period of time in history. So it it's a very it's a very, very, it's a very normal thing to take place. Great books to read again, Texit, by Daniel Miller, National Divorce, A Plan for Peace by Jason Fry, and if you can get it, Donald Livingston's book on, it's a which is a series of essays on, rethinking the American Union for the twenty first century. Highly recommend you get those books.
I don't know if you can get the, Livingston book right now. The last time I looked, it was out of print. But if you can get it, get it. If you can get it electronically, get it. It's a good book to read. It'll give you a it it honestly, it's it's the it's the book that got me thinking along these lines. And then, of course, I found the the T and M and immediately threw my support behind it way back in 02/2016. And, you know, I waited for my opportunity to become a Texan, not by birth, but became a Texan. And through my support behind it and became part of the district leadership team out here in Maverick County, or the county leadership team, I'm sorry, in Maverick County. So, the the subject for the for the TexIT fact that I I wanna bring up is, is a very good question. And, again, you can find all this information on the on the tand m.
Me or textitnow.org just under the facts section, the FAQs. And, let's let's let's get into this one. So this is in the subject of government taxes and taxation transition to independence. Very good question. Very good question. Will Texas be able to fund the government after Texas? Alright. So again, this is a post Texas question. This is something that will take place after the fact that Texas is separating from the American Union. So, the the piece goes on to say, simple arithmetic proves the ability of an independent Texas to fund a government at the same level that Texans are currently accustomed to if that's what Texans want. Texans currently pay in all federal and state taxes an average of $336,000,000,000 per year.
This represents the total amount of revenue readily available to an independent Texas without increasing the financial burden on Texans one single cent. From that amount, subtract the amount spent by both the federal government and the state government in Texas. Two hundred twenty eight billion is the average amount of expenditures required to maintain every program, every job, civilian and military, every department, every facility including military bases, and fulfill every function including current federal contract spending, to Texas companies provided by the federal and the state governments.
This level of government revenue would rank Texas twelfth in the world for government revenue collected. If you go to the, to the the the TexIT fact on this point on texitnow.org, There's a there's a a short video on there. You can check that out. I tried to to download the the audio, but it it just wasn't working. So, but you can you can easily click on that and and check that out. It's only about, it's only about a minute and forty seconds or so. So you should definitely head over there and check it out. Now as always, my question is this. Are you ready to join the 632 plus thousand Texans and support the work of the Texas Nationals movement to make Texas an independent nation again.
If you are, head over to texitnow.org and register your support, become a member, or make a donation. You can also do that by heading over to our website, joerusiello.com/tnm, which you, which do I have a banner for that? I do not, but you can see it on the screen right now, texitnow.org. And, again, register your support, make a donation, become a member. If you are in the Maverick County, area, let me know. I'd be happy to talk to you about it, personally and, get you on board and go through the onboarding process with you and and help you, find your place here with, with the organization and work and and turn Maverick County toward Texas independence. Alright. Wayne, do you have anything before we, start to wrap up? Well, it's been a good week in Texas. Yes. You have. Extreme weather on one end and extreme yeah. What do you call it today? What was it? The schizophrenic Texas weather. Yeah. 32 to 82. Yeah. I know you were a little late coming into the into the show this, tonight. So, we didn't get a chance to really kinda talk about that. But, so you've been here for a week, eight well, eight days tomorrow. Yep. And, that is we I think we had a great time. We got a lot of work done, you know, as far as the podcast goes. Redid the studio. We redid the studio. We've come up with some ideas and direction that we're gonna be going and and working on. And, you know, brother, I'm just gonna tell you straight out that it was a blessing to have you here, you know, for for the week. And an honor and a privilege to be on the show now. And and that, you know, brother, I love you for it, and thank you so much. And The lighting looks great. Thank you, sir. It does. Thank you. Yeah. I got rid of the shine, by the way. Yeah. So the the makeup the makeup person, you know, they didn't they didn't blot me before I came on. I mean, that was the whole thing. But you've had some good guests and different subjects. And,
[01:41:19] Unknown:
yeah, there's a lot of stuff happening. We're in a good time right now. So this is a good time to have a a program and and a and a voice because, every day something is happening. This this in this country, it's just things are changing, and if whichever side you're in on, it's it's good for us. You know, when I heard today, they're talking about no property taxes.
[01:41:39] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's first of all, I think, brother, we're gonna get into a topic here. I'm not gonna take too long. But let's just say this. Yeah. The dog's already. Taxation is theft. Yes. Taxation is immoral. Yeah. Because and I'm gonna use you as an example Mhmm. Because brother, you you paid off your property Yep. Your home. Yep. You paid her mortgage. Done. You have zero mortgage payments. Right. But yet the government still comes around and steals whatever it is they steal from you annually to allow you to continue to live on your own land. Right. Yeah. And they like last year, another $700 more. Yeah. So, yeah. Taxation for it's it's theft. It's immoral.
Once you look. I mean, I I'll even concede if if you have to pay property taxes while you're paying your mortgage. Right. Right. But once your mortgage is paid, that's it for the property taxes. Right. And and and this isn't a knock on you, brother, for your age or anything like that. I'm I'm just saying this, but I also think that that once you've retired Mhmm. And your property is paid off, you shouldn't be responsible for any more, property taxes. I know. And I'm I'm paying taxes on my retirement check. And yeah. And so you're getting taxed on money that you've already been taxed for. That makes sense.
Yeah. Well Yeah. Well, the good news is is that Texas and this is just throwing it out there, brother. Texas. Texas is, Texas has a a $28,000,000,000 surplus that they're they're working on to, get refunds out to the Texas residents, for their property taxes. So we are so we're excited about that. There's also they're also talking about, reforming the property taxes here. And, hopefully, just like, governor DeSantis over in Florida, said today that, he'd he'd like to get he'd like to do away with property taxes. So Yeah. Hopefully, Texas will jump on board with that. I think they're working toward that, but we'll see how all that, pans out in the end.
Alright. Well And Florida is a no income tax state too. Yes. Well, so is tax. So is taxes soon. Yeah. And hopefully soon, it'll be a no federal income tax either once, once DOGE gets gets through with the IRS. So we we hope, we pray, and, get that chains all going. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Alright. Does that say a fuera? You know? So alright, folks. I think, I think we'll, we'll wrap it up at this point. Any anything else? Let me just check the chat really quick. If anybody has any questions. Nope. Of course not. And, yeah. It's a little dig at the tens of people listening and watching. But so folks on Rumble, thank you so much for taking the time to be out here with us tonight. Hope you guys liked our guest, Mark, and, we're gonna look to have him back on very soon and kind of get more into the the topic conversations we, started and drifting off into tonight.
And, so just a just a heads up, so no show tomorrow. We we went back to our Monday, Wednesday, Friday schedule, this week. So, so on Wednesday evening, we're gonna have, Jack Kammer, who is a, men's mental health relationship, guru, if you wanna call it that. I'm sure that's not what he would say, but I'll say it. I'll let him I'll let him scold me on the show on Wednesday. But, he'll be with us live on Wednesday evening. And, hey, listen. This is a great opportunity if you're if you're if you're a guy and you're going through issues in your relationships, and and you have issues, going forward and establishing relationships and trying to find your place in relationships. Listen or watch the show and, make use of the live chat.
I already spoke with Jack, and and and he's fine with answering questions from the audience. So if you have any questions or comments, you can drop them into the live chat, and we'll make sure that he sees them. And, and and he and we're able to, to respond to those questions. So, so so check out the show 8PM, Wednesday night, and then we're off Thursday, we're back Friday, then we're off the weekend, and then we're back Monday, Wednesday, Friday again the following week. Alright. I think I think we'll, we'll we'll call it a night here. So, no shout outs. Again, thank you to our producers, Wayne and Rosanna Rankin. Thank you so much for your contributions to the show. Thank you to everybody that's been, supporting us, through donations. Thank you also to the folks that have been streaming on the Modern Podcast two point o apps and have been, streaming Satoshis to us. Thank you so very much for it. Get yourself a Modern Podcast app by going to modernpodcastapps.com or podcastindex.org.
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[01:47:31] Unknown:
Alright. Well I like to say happy trails, and I'm sorry, but I have to do this while you go. Right ahead. And now the podcast with Joe Rusiello, broadcasting from the asylum studio in Eagle Pass, Texas.
[01:47:46] Unknown:
Outstanding. Alright. Well, again, that's gonna do it for us folks, and thank you again for taking the time to be with us tonight. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and share the show with your friends, your family, and your followers. Folks, make Texas independent again. Go podcasting. Keep a steady stride, and happy trails. Happy trails.
[01:48:46] Unknown:
Well, that's about it really. The film ends mainly visually.
Bringing you the best quality talk radio we could muster without all the bluster. This is the podcast. Welcome aboard, folks. It is great to be with you once again on a Monday night. And as always, it wouldn't be a show for us without some kind of a technical problem somewhere along the way. Forgot to activate my mic there at the very, very beginning. Didn't realize that until just a few minutes ago. My face is kinda glowy for some reason. I saw I did something with the lighting. I have no idea what I did. And our guest, Mark Becker.
[00:01:00] Unknown:
Hello.
[00:01:01] Unknown:
Has already checked in. You beat the host to the camera, bud. Yeah. Your camera went live before I did, so Oh, interesting. Yes, sir. So they got to see you sit there playing with your mic and putting you down. Yeah. Wondering what in the what in the world is this guy doing? Exactly. They probably thought I got fired or something. Right. Kinda hard to fire yourself from your own podcast, though. Right? Exactly. That's that's what it is. And then, I don't know what happened to, to our executive producer, Wayne. Wayne seems to have, disappeared. He's Left the building, Wayne has left the building.
I don't know where he went, but I sent him a couple of messages, said we are broadcasting, and, don't know what happened to him. No idea. Well, we'll see if we can't get by without him, I guess, For a while anyway. He'll come strolling in a little bit. You know? Sure. Sure. I did I did take him out to the store just a little bit before the show tonight, and, we picked up a, we picked up a really nice bottle of, 10 year old Weller. So Oh, nice. So I think he may have had a couple of those already before we got started. And so did I. Actually, we have our adult beverage of the evening right here. Very nice.
Followed by the other adult beverage of the evening right here. That's just regular coffee. Just regular coffee. But, let me just talk to the folks here for a second. Folks, it is great to be with you again Monday night. It's another week. Another weekend has gone by. A lot of stuff took place over the weekend. Got a lot of things accomplished around here. Again, like I said, I've been, you know, messing around here at the studio trying to get a few things situated and and redone and, again, playing with the lighting and doing all kinds of stuff. So maybe that's why I'm glowy. I don't know. But, hopefully, we'll get that figured out before we wrap this whole shebang up for the night. But, again, great weekend. A lot of stuff took place, this week in the news, and probably one of the bigger surprises was, Dan Bongino, the former Secret Service agent, host of the Dan Bongino Show, has been tapped to be the assistant direct or the, deputy FBI director, under, Kash Patel. That's amazing news. Did not see that coming. Right? Yeah.
Kind of expected that. But, politics is not the conversation of the day. We're gonna be getting into some really, really fun stuff in just a little bit. And then, of course, we'll wrap it up with our typical Texit FAQ, for the day. And, Mark, I don't know if you're familiar with that, but I am a member and I am actually the deputy county coordinator for an organization called the Texas Nationalist Movement. Okay. Which is a political action committee advocating for a free and independent Texas from, these states united. And, so at the end of every show, I like to give a quick little FAQ that we get directly from the Texas Nationalist Movement website and, just basically answering the basic questions that are out there. Anybody can research it afterwards, and they can check it out themselves, and they'll see, you know, where I'm coming from with it. But, but we usually do that at the very end of the show, because we don't spend too much time on it. But before we get any further into anything else for the night, I do have some housekeeping that I need to do. So let me get into that really, really quick. Just clear up a few things. First of all, head over to our website, joerusiello.com.
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Alright. And, at the end of the show today, I forgot we do have a new segment that we'll be introducing, and it is the segment we call the the from who the who gives a shit file. Alright. So, it's a new story that nobody really cares about, but yet they listed as breaking. So we'll talk about that one at the end of the show. Alright. So let me introduce to you, my good friend here, Mark Becker. Mark, welcome to the podcast. I know we kinda jumped in a little bit early there, and I'm noticing here as well that my live stream on audio is not working. So we'll probably have to rip the audio from the video later on to get that work straightened out. But, Mark, just wanna say thank you so much for taking the time to be with us here tonight. I really do appreciate it. And, why don't you, why don't you kick us off here? Tell us a little bit about yourself, where are you from, what you're doing, and, how did you get involved with UFOs, UAPs, USOs, cryptids, and all the great stuff that you and I talked about earlier today?
[00:16:58] Unknown:
Well, thank you. I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you. It's, it's been an enjoyable conversation we had prior. So I'm, grew up in Minnesota, still reside here, and, I was as I'd indicated to you, I grew up in a pretty devout Catholic family, and I struggled most of my life with trying to understand the big questions like, you know, why are we here? What's our purpose? You know, why are there so many unknowns with people that, have have proven to be telepathic as far as being able to see, you know, they're I know they're used, like, in in government programs and this type of thing, and where's that magic come from? So I really envied people that were able to just accept faith and, you know, really believe in the traditional religion background that that that they were given and such, and I really struggled with that. So I felt kind of out of place.
And about seven years ago, I ran across and please, you know, be open minded. This is gonna diverge from, I'm sure, a lot of people's beliefs and that type of thing, which is absolutely fine. I have, no problem with where everybody's at. But about seven years ago, I ran across a video called, children that remember past lives, and I thought, what a crock. I'm very, very logical, really need proof based type, you know, stuff before I'm gonna buy into anything like that. But it was a cold frigid day in Minnesota. I was bored. I'm like, alright. I'll watch this video. And I was blown away at how they're interviewing these small children that were two to seven, eight years old, and the facts that they're able to come up with about what their life was like in previous lives was there's no way they could have memorized all this stuff because they were throwing questions that were, very random.
And, you know, you could you could tell it wasn't scripted because sometimes they'd stumble on the question and change it and that type of thing. And, these kids, like, even at two, three years old, like, I remember one little boy was talking about, you know, I was on this plane back in World War two. This was the name of the plane. This was my copilot. This is where we went down. This is the name of the bay, you know, everything, and they were able to go back and verify all this information. Mhmm. And then it turns out there's thousands of cases like this. Right? So it it intrigued me enough to to delve more into it. And what I found out over the last five to seven years is just absolutely staggering. Nothing like I would have possibly thought was possible, and the amount of evidence is staggering.
Like, they've done a, I I I also delved into near death experiences, and they did a study, the University of Virginia, where they studied thousands of cases and they you know, the the amount of consistency with these people's stories and the fact that they were able to say, you know, when I was in the hospital laying on this bed, I floated above myself, looked down at myself. They they were able to say exactly what their friends and family were saying in the waiting room, you know, at home praying a rosary. You know, they they're able to identify all these things, and it's like, how is that possible when you were laying there with surgery with a flat line on the screen?
So, you know, it it there there's just so much information like that out there. And through all of this, studying these different areas, and I also get really into, you know, future technology. I'm into AI. I'm into quantum physics and, you know, delved into quantum computers a little bit as far as understanding them. And they're starting to scientifically prove that a lot of the stuff that I've been learning is true. And I don't know if you are familiar with Ayahuasca. Have you ever heard of that? I I have. I don't know much about it, though, but I I have heard of it. Okay. So as as far as I know, it's the strongest psychedelic known to man, but it's not at all a recreational drug. You'd have to be insane to do it recreationally in my opinion. I ended up doing a Ayahuasca retreat, which, you know, I know how crazy this sounds, but I literally was in a different dimension during that period in where it felt far more real than what we live in this world. In other words, this to me feels like the avatar and the fake, and that felt, you know, extremely real.
I was able to see things that, you know, from my past, future, different things. It was just absolutely incredible. Anyway, through all of this, I started listening to, a few psychics and mediums. Mediums the difference between the two is a psychic kinda talks about, you know, what what you can you can expect in your future kind of thing where a medium is more someone that connects with somebody on the other side. And, again, I didn't believe any of this stuff. You know, if you'd ask me about any of this stuff seven years ago, I'd have been like, you're nuts and you're talking to the wrong guy. But, again, the amount of evidence to all of this is insane, and they talk a lot about, you know, these beings in different dimensions and what their purpose is.
And so that got me kind of shifted into a direction of, you know, starting to look into UFOs now called, you know, UAPs and the different phenomenon with all of that. And it's absolutely, again, staggering. The amount of evidence to back all of this up, is is remarkably incredible. So it's, yeah, it's just, it's just been a wonderful journey, and I now am able to understand for the first time how things, why things really are the way they are, why we're here, what's our purpose, all of these things. In fact, you know, I read the Bible, way back when because I thought, who am I to try to debate with anybody about, you know, scripture if I haven't even read the Bible. Right? Mhmm. So I spent about a year, reading it slowly, so I understood it as much as possible.
And it makes far more sense to me today than it did when I was in that old way of thinking, if you will. Oh, sure. Yeah. So it's been it's been a remarkable journey.
[00:23:30] Unknown:
Speaking of journeys, our, our executive producer has, come skulking into the studio here. Nice. So, Wayne, I'd like to bring you on here right now. Wayne, I'd like to meet Mark Becker. Mark is our guest for the evening. I know we spoke about it earlier. Let me turn your mic on for you. There you go.
[00:23:51] Unknown:
Mark? Yeah. How are you, Wayne? Good. I'm I'm from the, hotbed of UFO and supernatural
[00:23:57] Unknown:
area in the Pacific Northwest. Oh, very nice. Wayne Wayne hails from the great socialist
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state of, Washington. The peep the People's Republic Of Washington State.
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Yeah. So, Wayne and I were actually talking about the interview earlier, and, you know, Wayne had brought up a a a a good point, something that I I completely forgot about. But, what was his name? Ken? Ken Arnold. Ken Arnold. Right? From up there in Washington state. He had the first,
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well, modern UFO sighting that he that he reported on? Nineteen forty seven. You know anything about, mister Arnold there and his sightings? I've heard of him. I I I'm not great with memory on people's names specifically with the things that I because I I really, try to acquire a very, very vast amount of information from all different types of, areas and then try to kinda puzzle the, you know, life from that, if you will. So so yeah. So there's just so many so many people I listen to. It's it's difficult. I mean, you know, when you get into, like, the u u UAPs, I I think his name is Goosh. I've listened to him quite a bit, and I know he's, like, a high ranking,
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officer from the Air Force. Yeah. That, you know And I know I know you're talking about too. I I actually, I saw some YouTube clips earlier when I was doing some research. Yeah. Really interesting interesting things, and I have a couple of clips here that I'm gonna play for you in just a minute. But what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna turn this over to to Wayne for the for a couple of minutes. I need to step out, the studio for a moment, and, I'll be right back with you guys. I'm gonna leave you two at it. Okay? Sounds good. Alright. I'll be back.
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Yeah. Ken Arnold, actually, where I live in a smaller area called Chehalis. I go by the airport where he left his plane that day. It's a Chehalis Airport, so that was the airport. He took his initial run. And Mount Rainier is not that far from where Chehalis is where I used to live. Okay. It's, if you're in an airplane, you could see how if you if you're going south, which is the that's the way the plane it's a smoke airport, you know, like Cessnas and what have you. But you usually take off south and to the left to use Mount Saint Helens, where you take a sharp left, Mount Rainier. And so in 1947, as story goes, he was the, I guess, the first person to come up with flying saucers as a as a term. And so, but besides that, we have also Sasquatch, Bigfoot.
A lot of, strange things happen up in the Pacific Northwest. There's some variance, and there's a lot lot of people come from all over the world and to see what's going on out there. And sad thing is in Christmas time too, and it it it sounds funny, but it's tragic. Two guys went on a Bigfoot hunt and froze to death on Christmas Eve. Wow. It was kinda you know, be prepared. Hypothermia. But, yeah, there's a lot of well, we have a lot of air force bases or military bases there too. But, yeah. So, mister Arnold lived his life there. He was born in Minnesota, but he did pass away in '68 or '9, summers in that time period, I think it was. Maybe maybe I'm wrong in the data when he passed, but, it was kind of like that's where the UFO kind of terminology started.
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Well, I'm bringing up the the the whole Sasquatch thing. I I know there's a lot of people that suspect, if not believe, that, Sasquatch very much could be a being from another dimension or planet or, you know, whatever you wanna, and that's why they're rarely seen. But yet there are, you know, certain people that obviously are very much believers because they apparently have seen such a creature.
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Right. And, my wife passed away about four years ago. I've remarried, but her background is very interesting. Her father was you talk about physics. She knew the quantum string. Her father was one of the men who helped the Apollo program. And so for lunch and dinner, they'd have Neil Armstrong over and what have you. So but she got into when she moved to Washington State into the supernatural, and she seen disc and and got more into it. And there she said, there is a variance there, if that's the right word. There's a and probably you'd know the word better. Right? This a Portal. A mention portal. There's something going on in the Pacific Northwest, and she moved up from via Brooklyn, Joe's old neighborhood, to California.
But she said when she got up to the Northwest, and she's from the old hippie culture of, you know, hate hate in Ashbury in their area, and she said there's something attractive about that.
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Interesting. Mhmm.
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And she delved into some paganism and very intelligent person, incredibly intelligent. And so, she said, yeah. I know the whole space time continues, but she tried to explain to me about dimensions, and I'm still that's how many dimensions there are that's over my pay grade. Yeah. Yeah. There's,
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to to my knowledge, there's quite a few. I mean, they they they claim at least nine, but it's, I don't know exactly how they know that and, if that's accurate at all. But, yeah, there's absolutely more than the one that we can see, touch, taste, feel in for sure.
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I'm back, guys. Sorry to sorry to keep you waiting.
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No worries at all. It was we were we were having a good conversation for sure. So Gotta get some Sasquatch there. Well, yeah. Right.
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Well, you know, if if Wayne doesn't trim that beard a little bit, it's just not looking like one. Yeah. Nothing wrong with that, though. Right? No. Not at all. Well, I'm not one to talk to you, my friend.
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Not Been mistaken for Santa Claus on leave.
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And since you've been here, it looks like you'd be you're starting to gain the weight again too. So Yeah. You might have to drop 35 pounds out. I have to. Yeah. I think so. I think so. But, but But what what fascinates me about, you know, getting into the the UAP thing is,
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like, I've got a brother who's very much into watching a lot of this stuff, and he seems to think that The US has anti gravity technology that we have taken from, you know, these some of these spacecraft. And I I I struggle to believe that because, from, you know, being with with physics as a background, it it's from everything I know, it's kinda like the, the idea of a, perpetual motion machine. It's with our material science and the, you know, the resistance we get from, air and these these different things. It's essentially impossible is what, you know, what what physics will tell you as far as the anti gravity idea. However, you get into time, and it's like, you know, what what's time? You know, we we now know that it's not a constant. It's if you're out in outer space, it's moving at a, you know, much slower, depending on how far away you are, pace than it is here.
And so, you know, a lot of these people that I was mentioning earlier as far as that that are, you know, channelers and that type of thing they talk about or these people that go into near death experiences may be a better example, but they talk about how time doesn't exist on the other side. And, you you know, it what what they seem like they were gone for two years, and then they when they wake up from their NDE, they're like, wow. You were, you know, you were out for ten minutes. And so it's, you know, it's really fascinating. So, you know, what I guess what I'm kinda saying is that with our space time that we're in, we are far more limited with the density because now through quantum physics, you know, we now know that more or less everything is made up of energy waves. I mean, if you break down if you get below the atomic level, you know, it they there was a big breakthrough when they found out that, you know, there's there's protons and electrons and that type of thing smaller than atoms.
And now they know that even those protons, you know, you break that down, it's in you're you're getting into waveforms and that type of thing. So, you know, it's, on Earth here, we're living in a far more dense energy level. And so, it's very clear that a lot of these UAPs have technology that basically can isolate from our limits, if you will, as far as, you know, g forces, for instance, or, you know, air resistance, or the fact that they can travel underwater in some cases where they've got, documentation that are appear to be going 200 plus miles an hour and not making any waves, you know, that kind of thing. Just beyond our physics completely.
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Speaking of, moving at rapid rates. Alright. I I wanted to mention this earlier, but like I said, I had to step out really quick. You know, one of the one of the first questions that I want that I had wanted to ask you was and, of course, this is based on our earlier conversation, which, by the way, was a great conversation. Really appreciated that one. We should have been recording that. You you were right. That was that was nice. Absolutely. That was really, really good. But, something that had actually happened, to me, the an experience that I had, I've always been interested in in extraterrestrial existence.
I'm not gonna say life because, like we talked earlier, I don't think that there's life as we know it outside or off of this plane in which we live. I think that that what we deal with when we come across these, these entities, these grays, or, you know, that that's that's most common, you know, it's not Mhmm. Typically the little green men that you got from, you know, Mars takes over the world type stuff. But, so, about a year or so ago, I was on a flight coming back, for coming back to Texas from New York. And, again, this is something I had I had in my notes. I wanted to mention to you earlier when we were talking, but I I didn't get the chance to.
So I'm on the flight, and I don't normally sit by a window. Alright? And, because I I I first of all, I'm I'm I'm deathly afraid of heights. So just sitting by the window is, like, terrifying. But the the other thing is, I need to stretch. I'm I'm a big guy. So, but I'm sitting by this window, and I don't know. I just I just looked out the window, and I think we were somewhere over one of the plain states coming back somewhere along there. And, I just saw this object, and, now now seeing these these Tic Tac videos that are out there, you know, that's kind of what it looked like, but it looked very elongated. It was moving very, very quickly.
And I remember seeing it off in the distance as as, you know, I'm looking out the window, and I'm like, wow. If that's a plane or another another commercial flight. I I don't I don't think they normally would fly so close to one another. And the closer we got to this thing, I mean, it would it just, like, right past the window. And, I don't know what it was. It absolutely did not look like a plane, not especially not a commercial airliner, and I don't think I don't think, a small, like a like a Cessna or a private plane or would would be able to fly at the altitude. I'm not a I'm not a pilot, so I don't know. But at the same altitudes that a commercial flight, would be flying across the country.
And, man, that just absolutely peaked my curiosities once again into these phenomena. And, since then, I I've I've been checking these things out. You know, I like I mentioned earlier, I I became a a big fan of of, Ancient Aliens, because a lot of people poke fun at that. But Ancient Aliens, you know, with the, Georgios Tsoukalos and and all those guys, What was the what was the other guy's name? He wrote that book Chariots to the Gods. What was his name? I don't know if I know that one. Wayne, look it up. Look it up in your phone. Chariots to the Gods. Let let me know what that is.
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I was in sixth grade when he came out.
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Curious. Well, I'm just I didn't think well, never mind. So so so I got very, very, very interested in this stuff again. And, you know, I watched this thing, but, you know, like, I guess the main question is to me is, and may and maybe we could talk about this a little bit. Do you think that ETs, in the general sense that we know them, exist? You know, do these UAPs, UFOs? Yes? Erich von Daniken. Erich von Daniken. Erich von Daniken. Okay. Alright. Yeah. That's it. So the do these things really exist, or are these things and when I say exist, I mean exist in this physical sense here, you know, within the realm we live, are or are these things interdimensional? Do these things are these things you know, we talk about angels and demons and devils and and things like that, these gray aliens. I mean, I don't personally believe that they exist, physically the way, you know, you and I do. I I believe more that these things are, interdimensional creatures or beings that have the ability to to to come over into our side, and and kinda, you know, screw this a little bit, you know, just to put it mildly.
So what's your take on that thing? Do you do you think that that this is extraterrestrial life? This is life coming from somewhere else out there in the universe, or do you think that this is something that could be interdimensional?
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Well, to be honest with you, I think both. I think that, there are light beings, you know, these people, like I said, that go into near death experience talks a lot of times about experiencing these light beings that are, you know, appear to be eight, nine feet tall, you know, that that they don't they they they have a human form of of sorts, but they, clearly are not made of the, you know, the same dense flesh and stuff that we are here. But on the other side of the coin, there is, again, if you look at some of these higher ranked generals and stuff in the military that got, interviewed by the, you know, subcommittee from the government, They talked to and these guys got have nothing to gain by making this crap up. In fact, if anything, it they look ridiculous by coming up with these stories. You know what I mean? So they talk about literally having flesh nonhuman beings in captivity in this country.
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Exactly. Now now I'm glad you mentioned these subcommittee hearings. For those folks who may not be aware of this and, you know, or maybe not have seen this, I have two clips here for us that I'm I'm gonna play here. I'm not gonna play the whole clip because each one is about five minutes, but, just gonna play a couple of minutes. We can we can we can comment over it as it's going, to keep it moving along. And, you know, just just to get a sense of what exactly we're talking about with these, testimonies. So, this is the first clip I'm gonna play is from a Navy pilot, who is testifying, before a subcommittee of Congress about these, these UAPs that, that that they have encountered and some of the things that, that he has seen, not only in the air, but on the ground. Let's take a listen. Thank you. Commander Fravor Fravor.
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Thank you. Thank you, mister chairman, congressman, congresswoman. I wanna first thank you for the invitation to speak to the committee on the UAP topic that's been in the news for the past six years and seems to be continuing to gain momentum. As you know, my name is David Fravor. I'm retired commander in the United States Navy. In 02/2004, I was a commanding officer of strike fighter squadron forty one, the world famous Black Aces. We are attached to carrier air wing eleven stationed onboard the USS Nimitz and had begun a two month workup cycle off the Coast Of California. On this day, we were scheduled for a two v two air to air training with the USS Princeton as our control.
When we launched off Nimitz, my wingman was joining up. We were told that the training was gonna be suspended, and we're doing we're going to proceed with real world tasking. As we proceeded to the West, the air controller was counting down the range to an object that we were going to, and we were unaware of what we were going to see when we arrived. There, the controller told us that these objects, had been observed for over two weeks coming down from over 80,000 feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet, hanging out for hours, and then going straight back up. For those who don't realize, above 80,000 feet is space. We arrived at the location at approximately 20,000 feet in the controller called merge plot, which means that our radar blip was now in the same resolution cell as the contact. As we looked around, we noticed that we saw some white water off our right side. It's important to note that the weather on this day was as close to perfect as you could ask for off the coast of San Diego. Clear skies, light winds, calm seas, no white caps from waves, So the white water stood out in a large blue ocean.
All four of us, because we were an f 18 f, so we had pilots and WSO in the back seat, looked down a small, saw a white Tic Tac object with a longitudinal axis pointing north south and moving very abruptly over the water like a ping pong ball. There were no rotors, no rotor wash, or any sign of visible control surfaces like wings. As we started clockwise towards the object, my wiz and I decided to go down and take a closer look with the other aircraft staying in high cover to observe both us and the Tic Tac. We proceeded around the circle about 90 degrees from the start of our descent, and the object suddenly shifted its longitudinal axis, aligned it with my aircraft, and began to climb.
We continued down another 270 degrees nose low where the Tic Tac or we consumed 270 degrees toward and we went nose low to where the Tic Tac would have been. Our altitude at this point was about 15,000 feet, and the Tic Tac was about 12,000. As we pulled nose onto the object within about a half mile of it, it rapidly accelerated in front of us and disappeared. Our wingman, roughly 8,000 feet above us, lost contact also. We immediately turned back to see where the white water was at, and it was gone also. So as you started to turn back towards the east, the controller came up and said, sir, you're not gonna believe this, but that thing is at your cap point roughly 60 miles away in less than a minute.
You can calculate the speed. We returned to Nimitz. We were taking off our gear. We were talking to one of my crews who was getting ready to launch. We mentioned it to him, and they went out and luckily got the video that you see, that ninety second video. What you don't see is the radar tape that was never released, and we don't know where it's at of the active jamming that the object put on an APG 73 radar, and I can get into modes later if you're interested. What is shocking to us is that the incident was never investigated. None of my crew were ever questioned. Tapes were never taken. And after a couple days, it turned into a great story with friends. It wasn't until 02/2009 till Jay Stratton had contacted me to investigate. Unbeknownst all, he was part of the ATIP program in the Pentagon led by Lou Elizondo.
And there was an unofficial official report that came out that's now on the Internet. Years later, I was
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So if if you if if you were following along there, I know I played a little bit more than I really wanted to on that one. Basically, basically, this is this is what he was describing basically. I know we've all seen this clip many, many times. It's been all over the place. Roger,
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there's no shooting too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you not swimming party? Two. No. I took it on a track. Oh, okay. Oh my gosh, dude. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Okay.
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Now now I I understand that that that these guys are professional, and this is military. You know, these guys fly, you know, you know, for for for, you know, a living. If I saw something like that, I don't know if I'd be reacting with with the giggles and the laughs like that. I I don't I to me, when I see that, to me, it it doesn't seem like they're shocked by this, that they're finding it just more humorous. Like, this is not something they weren't expecting to see, but they were just they were more they were more, more like an impressed, you know, looking at
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They they talk they talk a lot about how, under what's the word I'm looking for? That, you know, there there there's so many times that people are actually witnessing these things that never get, documented or never get told to the to the to the world. There's I I I I think it was, one interview I was listening to was they had, like, 70 pilots in the military that have all, you know, under oath have have have claimed to have seen these things. And they're saying, you know, the number is far, far higher than that. And there's a lot of, commercial pilots that have seen things too, and they they're just too afraid to come out because of the, you know, the potential humiliation.
So the fact that, you know, you had seen something similar is not surprising in the least to me. Right.
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And, actually, as, as we were watching that, I was kinda scrolling around, and I came across I came across this clip, which I thought was very interesting to see. This is, this is actually just a few months ago. This is over in New Mexico. Another one of those Tic Tac sightings. I don't know if you see it up there. There it is. And, honestly, that's kinda something like what I saw when I looked out the window, but moving much, much faster than that. Like shape wise, but now here's the thing though, I don't know if you can hear it. Yeah, I can. You hear the humming? Yes. That sounds like drones.
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I was gonna say, that almost seems more like,
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man made one to me. Exactly. But my my my point was this, is that that's kinda like the shape that I saw, obviously, moving much, much faster than that. And, I mean, just unbelievable. But the reason why I wanted to point it out is because it that's kinda what it looked like.
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Well, they, you know, they talk about a lot of these Tic Tac, forms being in some kind of a almost like a translucent sphere. Mhmm. And you can you can see, like, a, cube, a gray cube inside of them that where the corners appear to touch the cube on the outside. And a lot of these guys talk about it. It's like, you know, from a physics standpoint, they're not aerodynamic at all. I mean, it's basically like this oval ball, and yet they're able to, you know, pierce through our air without making a sonic boom and traveling at, you know, Mach plus speeds at, you know, ridiculous acceleration rates and that type of thing. And that's why I say I I really don't believe that they're nearly as restricted to the, you know, three-dimensional were world that we tend to live in.
And when you see one that looks like it's it's it's traveling faster than the speed of light, I think in a lot of those cases, it's popping out of our, dimension and then popping back in in a different location.
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Yeah. Yeah. I I I I'm familiar with that with that argument also. I I I've recently actually watched something on, on on, on TV about that. It's it's almost like, shifting time. Like, almost similar to what, like, a warped drive in, like, Star Trek would be or a hyperdrive in Star Trek would be that, you know, generating some kind of a a a field in front of the craft that, you know, basically distorts time and space and enables them like, you know, like, it's like the it's like the wormhole, subject that Einstein talked about. Right. Basically, you know, what do they do? They they they take and they fold space, you know, this way. Because the distance from from here I don't know if where am I? So so the distance from here to here would take, you know, considerable amount of time, but yet through techno through the technology they possess, they're able to fold time and space like this and be able to punch through from one spot to another much, much faster, obviously, and then and then resume that time and space as it goes through.
So it's it's it's fascinating to me. I I I love this stuff, and I think this I think this stuff is, just absolutely amazing. It's a very interesting idea. It's a very interesting concept to think that there are these these entities that are out there that have the ability to do this. Now earlier today, we were talking about our mutual, religious backgrounds and religious experience and spirituality and and such. And and we were talking about how in, in in the Bible, you know, you have in Ezekiel chapter one, we mentioned, you have Ezekiel's wheels, wheels within wheels where and and that's where a lot of folks look at that and say, well, that's that's that's a classic example of UFO. Yeah. Okay. It's unidentified.
It's it's flying. It's it's it's an object they don't understand. Sure. A UFO. But if you go on to read the description of it, to me, it seems more like this is almost an organic thing. So looking at that, I I sometimes I kinda look at it like and I think, you know, I this might be, again, another example of inter inter interdimensional beings. I'll I'll get the word out sometime. One of these days, I will master the English language at some point. But but, but I I do I really I look at those stories, and I see those things, and and it and it just it it boggles your mind. And then you see you you take those those biblical stories, then you look at what what people are reporting on seeing today. Like, Travis Walton. You you know the story of Travis Walton?
I do. From the nineteen seventies. He was abducted by a UFO. And, and,
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Is that the one they made those the movie Fire in the Sky? Fire in the Sky. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.
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So so, you know, he was abducted, and, they were they're what that the description that that he gave was, to me, very similar to what you find in biblical ex, descriptions of these types of phenomena. And, it it just makes you wonder. I mean, this stuff is being has been talked about for centuries. Even before, you know, even before the Bible was written down, you know, again, like we talked about earlier today, every culture in the world has a flood theory, a flood myth, a flood story, alright, where it's one guy who gets this special revelation from somewhere, whether it's, in my personal belief, you know, God let him know what was happening.
Somebody else might say, well, you know, it it was ET letting him know that something was going to happen. And but every culture in the world has one of those, those flood stories, and it's all very similar. What exactly is that? Is that
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Oh, I think absolutely some, you know, percentage of the, the proof of of what you know, it's like you said. It's not not just centuries, but for millennium. I mean, they're you know, you go back to these cave drawings. All over the world, they've got very similar drawings in these caves that they found on different continents. So it's not like these people were able to communicate with each other and say, hey. Let's draw this. You know? And and they'll they're drawing what very much look like flying saucers. And a lot of the, beans that they're drawing have, like, these bird like beaks or fish heads.
Mhmm. And it's like, where did they come up with this? Why are they so similar thousands of miles away in completely different continents that was on, you know, way before we had the ability to transport, you know, via plane and everything else. So it's to me, that's it's it it all ties together. It's all proof that there is no question that these beings exist outside of our dimension or, you know, some believe that they travel interplanetary. I I'm not I'm not a big believer in that just based on, you know, if I take all of the information that I've acquired. It it doesn't it doesn't fit nearly as well as the interdimensional scenario.
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Yeah. And I I I agree with you on that. And I I think, you know, Wayne can can also comment on this too. I mean, scripturally speaking, biblically speaking, you know, the description of of angels in the book of Revelation, the the description of angels throughout throughout the Bible, you know, they, was it in rebel is it was it in revelation? I'm I'm having a brain freeze at the moment, where it was talking about oh, no. It was it was Ezekiel. You know, he had the head of a lion and the body of a something with eagle's wings and talons and, you know, just a a a mix. Many eyes. Many eyes circling about. I mean, and yet when you see the UFO or the UAP now I like UFO better. I'm sorry. I do I do too. You know?
You know, you you see those I mean, this I don't I don't know, man. I'd I'm I'm more I'm getting more and more convinced that the that that what we're seeing in in the skies and and that's gonna touch on something else I wanna I wanna ask you about. You know, you know, they they just might be exactly what the folks saw in the bible in bible days, that, you know, are interdimensional beings, angels, demons, devils, you know, whatever. And and, you know, and that's that once I wanna lead that into, you know, all this drone activity or alleged drone activity that was taking place just prior to, Donald the election this year, Donald Trump taking office in January, and then how mysteriously it all stopped.
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You know? I'm actually glad you brought that up. I it's I'm a firm believer and, again, I'm taking this from information from a lot of these people that have had, you know, readings, from the other side as well as near death experiences and that type of thing. And they all say I shouldn't say all. That's a little tongue in cheek. But a majority of them say that these, interdimensional beings, one of their primary purposes is to keep us from more or less destroying ourselves. Mhmm. So I I very much believe it was possible that there was some sort of a nuclear risk going on because, you know, even, like, I believe it was during the Cuban missile crisis, there was a large number of all of a sudden, UAP sightings and that type of thing that were suddenly showed up out of nowhere and then disappeared after they got kind of fizzled out. And it was the same thing. The nuclear tests began in the nineteen forties,
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leading up to the the detonation of the bombs over, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You that's when that's when you started to see more and more of this UFO activity increasing. You had the Foo Fighters over in Germany. You also had that incident that took place over in Los Angeles, where the US military, unloaded on whatever it was that was coming over that they thought the Japanese were invading. And, they hit nothing. They expended millions of rounds of, of of of artillery, ammunition, and there was nothing to be seen for it. And they were hitting it dead on as it was coming up overhead.
So, yeah, I agree with you. I I think that, you know, when when when there's a detection of some type of a or or potential nuclear or beyond nuclear threat. I yeah. I I I I I guess, you know, when that first bomb went off, we caught somebody's attention, you know, if if you're going with the extraterrestrial, or interdimensional, theory. You know, you caught somebody's attention with that. And so now, hey. Look. You know, who are these little talking monkeys that, all of a sudden
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have the ability to wipe off? Well, you know, and and, you know, there's there's a lot of people that have the philosophy that, you know, we're more or less a zoo here on the planet, and they are, you know, more or less, keeping us from, like I said, blowing ourselves up, but almost like an experiment. In fact, you know, you talk about, going back into the the biblical days and stuff, and, of course, there's this whole theory of evolution, right, as far as, you know, transforming from ape to man and that kind of thing. And what's fascinating about that, the only reason I bring it up, is because there was this very abrupt change from, you know, in in in the evolutionary process where it took millions and millions of years for these different, creatures to modify, if you will, to to to meet the new environment, the new predators, new prey, that kind of thing.
But yet the human evolution happened so fast, and, of course, you know, guys like you and I are gonna believe that this was because of, you know, the whole the whole Christian's perspective. But there are you know, from an evolution standpoint, it's there are people that very much believe that the aliens or or inner interdimensional beings have basically, intervened, and that's why all of a sudden there was this massive change so quickly and why we are so much more advanced intellectually than any other creature on the planet. So I I think that's a fascinating topic as well. And, again, it's you know, it it it it can be taken different ways. But, yeah, it's it's it's really fascinating.
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It is. And, I and I know the theory you're talking about, that that that show that I that I mentioned earlier, Ancient Aliens, you know, they had a they had a couple of shows dedicated exactly to that subject where, you know, you know, were we first of all, you know, you know, were we seated here by some Mhmm. Outside, you know, some outside intelligence, you know. And and did did they wipe out the dinosaur to give their experiment the chance to get a foothold on the on the land? And, you know, it's it's a very interesting theory. Now now, again, I don't give that much credence because of my my my spiritual beliefs, my biblical beliefs.
You know, I I I I don't, I I I could see microevolution, but not macroevolution. I I can understand those slight changes at the micro level, over time. But, I believe that we were created by God. And to some people, God might be, you know, the big ET in the sky. Right. You know? And and and in some ways, that's not exactly incorrect. You know? He is extraterrestrial. He is outside of the Earth, outside of this terrestrial plane. So, you know, it wouldn't be
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it's a little disrespectful, I think, but, you know, it's it's not I I tend to agree with you. I I I believe that both evolution and creation can exist because I no question. I I a hundred percent believe that, we were, you know, we were created. In fact, I would argue that, I sort of look at God now as a if you were to imagine a beach filled with sand and that sand is that entire beach is God and every speck of sand on that beach is one of us. Mhmm. So to me, we all are essentially God. We're we're like part of the body, and that's why, like I said, the biblical, teachings now make more sense to me than they used to in some of the readings regarding that.
And so, but I also believe that, you know, things are supposed to kinda play out and grow. And so, yeah, I don't think it's throwing, Christianity aside or vice versa, throwing evolution aside to state that both can coexist. Mhmm. You know, that there there that as like, for instance, I have a real hard time buying the idea that there was this big bang spark, and it created it created cells. Right? So you could argue, okay. This happens every whatever billion years or something. So what's the probability that these cells not only land in an environment when they're created, you know, because we've never seen any sort of evidence of this this this bang necessarily happening that created cells.
So it happens in this random, you know, multibillion dollar or billion year scenario. But not only are these cells in a perfect environment where they can survive, they've got, you know, the food and the the nutrients and the, you know, oxygen or whatever they need, but they have this magic ability to duplicate themselves Right. And then start turning into creatures Yeah. Before they before they are destroyed by, you know, age or whatever. It's just none of it makes any sense. So there has to be a, creation scenario. But, again, you know, there is evidence that things do change over thousands of years. So I yeah. I very much believe both coexist. Right. At the micro level. It's it's like,
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you know, I I've never seen any explosion create order. I mean, if you if Right. You know, if if you if you believe in, if you if you believe in planetary systems and outer space, you know, and and and and all of that, and you look at how it's all laid out. And I and I say it that way for a reason, and I'll I'll I'll come back to that in a second. You you look you you look at the way everything is laid out, how everything is perfectly balanced, perfectly timed. You know, you look at the if if you if you believe in this and you you believe in in in planets and orbits and and and whatnot and and the and the angles that that the that the that like for example, the Earth has to be pitched at 23 something degrees. Otherwise, you know, a tenth of a degree one way, a tenth of a degree the other way, you're either burning up in a huge fireball or you're an ice ball. Yep. You know, how does how does chaos Right. Create perfection?
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%. And why aren't you know, you'd think if there was this big explosion, these planets would be slamming into each other and destroying each other all of the time. And yet there seems to be this amazing order where, you know, certain planets fall, circles a star because of this magic gravity that no one's been able to figure out what it is. I'm so glad you said that. I was gonna come to that in a minute. Yeah. And and, you know, and the other thing that and then when you go on to a micro level, they're now finding that, you know, cells and and, atoms and these different things often have the same type of process and organization that planets do, but just on a far you know, and what's the probability of that happening?
You know, it's just there's no way that, we came out of some big bang. There's just no way.
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You know, when when my kids were in were in school, and then when they were very young, I remember my daughter came to me, and and Wayne Wayne knows my daughter since she's, what, maybe nine years old Yep. Or so. And my daughter is is a is a smart girl. She always was. She had a sense about her. And I remember when she was in school, and, we had been teaching at church at our church on, creation and Genesis and and the creation account in Genesis. And, she came to she came to me one day, and and she said, dad, can I ask you a question? I was like, sure. She goes, we believe that God created everything. Right? I said, yeah.
She goes, well, in school, they they were telling us that there was this this big bang. Do you know what that is? I said, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I totally believe in the big bang. And she was like, you do? And I said, yeah, I do. God said it, and bang, it came into existence. Perfect. Mhmm. You know? And then she went back to school, and she told the teacher that, and then I got a phone call from the teacher. You know? But, you know, but, but, yeah, it's it's it's just the way it is. It it's I I you can't get order out of chaos. It just doesn't Right. Like, what like, okay. So if if if the Big Bang Theory is is what how it all happened, how come when we when we drop the bomb on Nagasaki and and, and Hiroshima, you know, how come we didn't get universes and galaxies, just all automatically appear in in perfect synchronicity?
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Right. Yeah. Very good point. Well, the fact that, you know, from this so so things are constantly expanding. You know, try to get your head around that. The speed that, the planets are moving away from, you know, the the center, if you will, wherever that would be, is, you know, it's it's how is that possible where you would have this continuation and it just keeps growing? And that's how they can kinda predict how old the universe is because they can calculate, you know, by the the speed of light how far out it essentially is, and that shows, like, how far
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this universe has expanded so far. Right. Now now and now I'm gonna trip you up. Okay? Alright. This is where I wanted to come back to. K. Over over the last four years or so, my my opinion on on a lot of what science teaches us has changed. I started trusting what I see more than what the scientist says. And one of the things that, and I get a lot of I get poked a lot of fun at, And we are actually gonna do a show on this subject at some point down the road, but I need to make sure I have all my my i's dotted and my t's crosses crossed before I, bring it all out there. But I I am of the position that we are not on a globe spinning around us around the sun at twenty three thousand miles a second.
I've I've around the sun that's traveling through the universe at 600 interesting number, by the way, 666,000 miles a second. I I I look out. I I live in a desert. You know? Eagle Pass is basically a desert. There's a this is just flat open space. I if you go by what science says as far as curvature of the Earth goes, there should be curvature every eight miles or so. Well, on a clear day, you could see clear across the ranch that I go to. On a on a beautifully clear day, you can see clear across it more than eight miles, and I don't see any curvature.
You know? Interesting. I don't see I I look at it I go I go to the beach or I go someplace and and I look over the horizon. I don't see a curve. I see a straight line.
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So out of curiosity, what what do you think is the alternate then? Like, what what how if we're not on this on this globe, what do you think is, our reality?
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I think that the Earth is a flat plane. Okay. I I can't say that I I cannot say that it, you know, it it just abruptly comes to an end. I think it goes on for quite an immeasurable distance, but I think it's flat, possibly round. You know, it could be, you know, a a globe is a ball, you know. You know, just because something's flat doesn't necessarily mean that it's square and that, you know, that has these sharp edges that you're just gonna go falling off of. I mean, take a take a quarter for crying out loud. Lay a quarter down on a table. Is the quarter is the quarter a globe? No. Quarter's flat and it's round. That's what I think, and I think Antarctica itself is an ice wall that goes around our terrestrial plane and that beyond that ice wall, which strangely enough, no government on Earth will allow anyone to really fully explore. They only give you a very small area in which they they let anybody visit and tour, that beyond the ice wall could very well possibly be other civilizations and possibly other dimensional beings.
Interesting. It's it's a it's it's I I can't say that's it. I know for sure. I don't know. I'm I'm still researching. I'm still studying. But I I do remember, Admiral Byrd, and he, conducted an expedition to Antarctica, back in the sixties fifties and sixties, before any government got down there and said, hold on. You can't come here anymore. And he talked about seeing other civilizations beyond that ice wall. And the interesting thing is is that no matter which direction you go, alright, no matter which direction you go, you always seem to hit Antarctica, the ice wall.
If you look at a flat Earth map, that ice wall goes around, completely around it. And you start at the middle, and any direction you go, you come to the ice wall. And it's the same thing if you look at aviation maps. Ask any pilot. I've seen I've I've seen interviews with with, with pilots, commercial airline pilots, military pilots, asked if they're if they're making adjustments for curvature. Because if you think about it, if a if a plane has to, has to make adjustments for curvature, right, if they didn't make those adjustments, well, if they're just if they're flying alone, they're gonna fly right off into space.
Right. Right? So they would have to constantly turn. So that means they would because of the speed that they traveled, they would have to make an adjustment for curvature every eight minutes. But ask any pilot, and they'll tell you that they don't make any adjustments for curvature. Military snipers do not make do not make adjustments for curvature on their on their on their, on their targets when they're going down range. Interesting. It's a straight shot because there is no and and if and if curve if if the Earth was rotating and spinning, a helicopter wouldn't be able to hang hover motionless.
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Well, I mean, the the the philosophy there is that our, atmosphere is like a protective, cloak, if you will, that, you know, keeps our air speed stable even with the thousands of miles an hour and stuff that we're spinning. Are you familiar with the concept in quantum physics now that they're talking about where, things only exist when you observe them?
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Yeah. Yeah. I've been I've been reading about that. I've been I've been reading about that. Thinking about that when you were talking about this flat earth because,
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you know, the one thing I would say that, you know, might relate with that is, if we're all because they they say our combined consciousness is what creates the, you know, essentially the world that we're we're in. And if everybody sees their particular, little bubble, if you will, as a flat, that, you know, that would almost lean into that, if you will. Yeah. I'm gonna that's I I'm certainly not gonna, say that I % agree with it, but I but I'm not, I'm pretty open minded. I I I could see where that would be a possibility.
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I I just sent Wayne a message. I asked him if you can do me a favor. Wayne, I don't know if you saw the message yet, but if you could in in the in the other room where the bookshelf is Yeah. There's a book in there. Could you I I sent you the title of it. Can you just grab that and bring it over? Because I wanna put it up on the screen here. Yep. It's a it's a big thick one. It's blue, and it has a map on the cover of it.
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But, yeah, there's a lot of really fascinating, things out there that certainly you know, that's one of the things that I find so exciting is that, like I said, I've been kinda delving into this stuff for about the last seven years. Mhmm. And now science is really starting to show that a lot of what I've learned is absolutely true. Do you do you remember,
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Eric Baumgartner? I I do know the name. I can't remember why though. He he did the he he did that jump from the stratosphere or something like that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Okay. So if so again, if the Earth was traveling and rotating, there's no way that he would be able to set a target on the ground for himself to land on and hit that mark, which he obviously did. Now I've seen some videos of this. They have one video that's mounted on the platform that it was on, and it clearly shows the curvature of the Earth. It it clearly shows all that stuff. What they don't tell you is that it's a GoPro camera, And GoPro cameras have fisheye lenses, which make Oh, interesting. Lens curved. Yep. Yep. How we know that is is because there was another camera on board that wasn't a GoPro that did not have a fisheye lens. It was a regular camera lens. Yep. Flat. And it showed it flat as it as far as you can see.
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Interesting.
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And there's other there's other things too that that if I if I brought it all out, that people would I'm just watching the numbers drop off already. You know? Well, I am interested in seeing that podcast when you when you end up doing that. That'll be true. Well, if you'd like, if you wanna join me on that, that'd be great. We can compare notes. You study a little, I'll study a little, we'll compare notes. Sounds like a plan. It could be a lot of fun. Yeah. Absolutely. I love thinking outside the box for sure. Well, I don't I don't know if Wayne's able to find the book for me because he's taking kinda long, but, it should be right there on the, like, second shelf.
But the name of the book oh, you got it. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So this book made a huge impact on, my thoughts on a flat Earth. Now before I show you this, part of the reason why I started questioning it again, not only because of what my eyes tell me. Alright? I think your eyes are the best scientists there are. But I I believe the Bible. I believe that that the Bible is the word of God, that God moved holy men to write the words that the Holy Spirit impressed upon them to write, then that these these are the inspired preserved words of God. Okay? Mhmm. Mhmm. Now, if I believe everything that the Bible tells me is true, accurate, and faithful, there are over 250 verses in the Bible, Old and New Testament, that talk about the Earth as flat, immovable, non rotating, and, again, as someone who who professes to believe the Bible, how do I how do I tell God no?
Well, you're right about all this stuff, but I don't know, you know, the guy in the white lab coat says otherwise, I gotta believe him on that. I I can't do that. I can't reconcile that. So, I heard I I I heard about this book, and it's called I don't know if you could see that. The Greatest Lie on Earth.
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Oh, interesting.
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Alright. By a man named Edward Hendry. This is probably one of the most well researched books I've ever come across on the subject. It is let me see. It goes to it's 616 pages of actual reading, and then it has end note end notes and, references and sites, case studies. It cites NASA documents talking about, a non rotating flat Earth. NASA, by the way. Wow. And it go and the but the end notes and then the citations go from page six hundred six six six hundred seventeen. That's that English problem I got. 617 to 738
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Wow.
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Of just citations and notes.
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Wow. Interesting.
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So very well researched book.
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He takes I've got a good friend that's actually a pretty big believer in that too. I'll definitely ask him if he's, ran across that one yet because I'm sure he'd have interest in it if he didn't. Yeah. A lot of it very early on. I mean, if you're not into
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really studying this stuff, you're gonna get turned off early because it at the very beginning of the book, the first, I wanna say maybe four or five chapters of the book, it's all math. It's all math. And it's and I don't have a great head for math, but, you know, I was able to to to really read this in three or four or five times, but I got it to to the most part, you know, and there's just a ton of really great information. So, so, like, for example, if you could see that, but that's a description talking about the dimensions for curvature.
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Okay. Alright.
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You know? So
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this is it's it's fascinating, and it's it's a subject that that gets me in trouble sometimes. But, you know, it's it's alright. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. Well, as always, I I I I enjoy getting into conversations on, like I said, topics that are outside the outside the box because how else do you really grow? You know? I'm a firm believer in, you know, I I I love comfort as much as anybody, but, you know, if your goal is to live in comfort all the time, you're you're never gonna grow and you're gonna get awful bored awful fast.
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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And so so so yeah. So that's my position. I I do believe in a in a flat, non rotating earth. Mhmm. Somebody asked me one time on the other podcast I was doing because I had made a reference to it, because I would always whenever I was talk talking about Earth, I would always say the plane on which we live, the flat plane on which we live. And somebody had sent me a message and asked me, are you one of those flat earthers? And I was like, no. I believe what the Bible teaches, because it was a Bible study podcast that I was doing. So Sure. I I believe what the Bible teaches. I believe what the Apostle Paul taught on it. And so they they wrote back a couple of days later and said, alright. Well, then tell me, what did the apostle Paul, teach that we're on a flat Earth? Alright? Here's the references. Go look them up.
You know?
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I think That's good. So I don't I I don't look at the Bible, you know, nearly as fundamental as you do. But, I mean, if, you know, like you said, if it's if it's listed over 200 times, that's kinda hard to argue. You know? Like, I would I would argue that, you know, if someone had a a dream or something that was a that was obviously influenced heavily by God's message, it may not be a hundred percent accurate in my mind.
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But I I totally see what you're saying as far as if you got 200 different things, though, saying the same thing. Right. It's kinda it's kinda hard to wash that away. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So you take it by faith. You take it, and then trust your eyes too. You know? Look. Just, you know, just find just find an open area where you can stand there and look. You know, somebody says, well, what about when you see the boat going over the horizon? Okay. Well, you know what? They have cameras, that have these amazing lenses so that if you just zoom in just a little bit, you'll you'll pull the whole boat right back into frame.
Now if there was curvature, you wouldn't be able to do that. Right.
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Yeah. That would agree with. You know? So Interesting.
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It it's it's amazing stuff. I mean and just just trust your eyes. And then they I know they tried this, and I was thinking about bringing this up. Like, I I would I had so much video on this that I I didn't pull it up to the studio. I can't do it now, but, they recently did this, this this, study down in Antarctica where they had the twenty four hour sun recorded, you know, to prove that the Earth was round. And yeah. Okay. So they have this they have these cameras set up, and they they they have this they they they focus on on the sun, and and the camera is turning as the sun's turning. And, you know, and you see that, and, you know, all of a sudden you're like, oh, man. May well, could I be wrong? That maybe they were right? You know, you start feeling stupid. You know? Yeah. But then but then you start really looking at it and looking at the video, and you could see that the video was manipulated. It it's not a pure video.
The shadows are wrong. The colors are wrong. You know? The the the shading, the hue, just none of it matches if the sun was actually moving in a circle like that around the bottom of the Earth, by the way. You know, around that thing, it's all wrong. It it doesn't add up. So, you know, it it it's one of those things. And then here's another here's another thing. This is it's meant to make you laugh really when you when you think about it, but the reality of it is is very true. Are the people in Antarctica at the very bottom of the Earth upside down? Why do they see everything the same way we would see it if we were on the North Northern Hemisphere as, you know, right side up. And then what about what about boats and and such that are traveling across the Equator? Are they sideways?
Yeah. No. I I hear what you're saying. Go around, and then they argue that, well, you know, just the the Earth is just so big, so you don't really see the curvature. But yet, they'll go out and they'll point out, see, look. There's curvature right there. There's curvature over there. Look out your windows. Curvature. Which is it? Is it that the Earth is so big that you don't notice the curvature or or the positioning? Or is
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it small enough that you can see it? Well, I guess from that so from that standpoint, my thought would be as far as upside down, you know, you you you've got gravity pulling you towards the the center of the Earth. Right? Because it's the scary. Well, yeah, true. But, I mean, they they, like I said, they don't really know what gravity is, but you certainly know that no matter where you go on the planet, if you were to drop something, it's gonna fall towards the planet. Right? Right. And so if you're, you know, on the on the bottom and gravity's pulling you towards that, you know, the, I the experience in my mind would be the same either way because Well, I see it. I I still think you'd be upside down.
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I think you're just getting pulled
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to the center from the bottom. Well, so so on that note, though, what is what is upside down? Like, why why would the top of the earth
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Right.
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Be necessarily, up right side up? I mean, what what what are you using for reference? My reference would be gravity. So if gravity is in the center of the planet, which is, you know, the the they they they know that as you get closer and closer to the core, the gravity gets stronger. Right? How do they know that? How do they know that? By by measuring the, like caves and stuff. They, you know, the, the I I don't know how they measure it exactly, but they scientifically certainly talk like that's the case. Okay. And so if that's if that's your reference, gravity in the center of the planet, then I I, yeah, I guess I would my my mind goes to the to the idea that it wouldn't really matter because that's what makes it feel like you're upside down or right side up is the is is gravitational force.
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So then gravity can hold the atmosphere in place. Gravity can hold the the trillions of tons of water to the Earth while the Earth is spinning at 23,000 miles a second, rotating around the sun at 666,000 miles a second, but yet a bird can still fly.
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No. I I know exactly where you're going with this. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I know. I totally know what you're saying. I totally so here again, I think that comes back to the miracle. Right? The miracle of life. And, like you said, we don't really know what gravity is. This is a great conversation. And and and, again, what what does hold our atmosphere to the planet? All we know is that it tends to be this protect protective barrier that essentially makes, you know, the wind speeds and stuff essentially stay still for the most part even though, like you said, we're spinning. So, yeah, I mean, I think I I view that as very much a creation God thing. That's not a evolution type scenario. Like, if you have this big bang, you're not gonna have this atmosphere protecting the planet. Yeah. No. For sure. And, you know, and encompassing everybody in this fluffy envelope of of wonderfulness with blue skies and trees that don't have leaves blowing that kind of thing. Oh, for sure. No. I So I I mean, I I I a % agree with that, that it makes no sense from that standpoint, the speeds and stuff that we're moving. And the byproduct. But I also find it you know, from that standpoint, I also find it fascinating that, you know, they're they're building, trains now that can go 500 plus miles an hour.
And yet when you're on that train, you can walk from the front to the back. And even though you're going 500 miles an hour, it's all in relation, right, to the trains moving that speed. So it doesn't feel or no different than you're on an airline and the airplane. I was gonna say the plane too. I mean, you can Yeah. Same same exact thing. You walk to the bathroom or whatever. It doesn't feel like you're gonna fall down because of this force that's, you know, moving you forward at 500 plus miles an hour. Yep. So to me, it's kinda the same thing. There are a lot of questions to it, and I don't profess to have the answers to everything on this subject. I really don't. I'm I'm still learning. I'm exploring it myself. No. I to be honest, I really appreciate the fact, though, that you're looking at it from such a obscure, viewpoint because, like I said, how else do we really grow if we just stay stuck in this mindset that this is the way it is because this is what they told us.
You know, that's why I'm so grateful for, like, quantum physics because it's starting to disprove a lot of the physics and stuff that we were, you know, married to as absolute biblical truth in the science world. Mhmm. And now they're finding that a lot of it's just BS. It's just not true at all. Yes, sir. So it's super fascinating.
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Yes, sir. I'm looking at the clock here. We're an hour thirty four minutes. So, I think this would probably be a good time to to wrap up our little chat here. And then, I would love to have you come on the show again at some point. So let's Yeah. Absolutely. Let's get together let's get together after this and, and and try to work out something with that. Wayne, do you have anything for, Mark, before we
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continue on? No. Just keep looking up.
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Hey, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate, spending time with both of you guys. What an interesting conversation. What's what what was that line?
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Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching the stars. That was great. Not the best Casey Kasem, but, you know, I tried. I tried. No. I tried. Alright, folks. We're gonna do we're gonna take a very, very quick break here just so I can reset the computer and pull up our, techs at fack of the day. And, we'll come back, in just maybe not even not even two minutes. Alright, folks. So this is the podcast, by the way, new merch. I don't know if you like that. Just got here today. Nice. And so and we got stickers and all kinds of great stuff. So, Mark, you're gonna have to send me your address so I can send you a couple of these things so you can spread out the word for me. Sounds good. Alright. So One last thing. I'm an old disciple of Art Bell. Oh, yeah. Art, he was I liked how he could just,
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you know, just dry right off the he didn't have any screeners. Just West Of The Rockies. What do you got? And he had a open mind about everything. Yep.
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I used to listen to Art Bell. He used they used to simulcast his show when I was a kid back in New York. So two, 03:00 in the morning, I'd hear Art Bell. It was great. It was great stuff. Alright. So let's, let's take this break, and we will be right back. Wayne, don't forget to turn off your camera when we go on the break. Okay. All right. Folks, this is the podcast. Please don't forget to like, subscribe, and share the show with your friends, your family, and your followers. Help us to spread the show out, and let's build our following. Thank you for the tens of people that are watching right now on Rumble. And our our audio stream failed tonight, so we don't have any audio going. So like I said, I'll have to rip the audio later on and just upload it. Alright. So we will be back right after this. Just, stick around.
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I was I'm kinda disappointed that he, he checked out. I thought he was gonna stick around for a little bit, but that's alright. That's alright. Well, folks, that was Mark Becker. What a what a great talk, man. I I really enjoyed that, and I'm looking forward to having him come back on the show again. I had so many more clips and such that I wanted to bring out, but, you know, the conversation just got just out there. So and that was great. Love it. Love guests like this. Really, really, really do. I learned so much. Alright. Well, I'm gonna make this as quick as we possibly can. Gonna rip the Band Aid off. Folks, as you know, I am a member of the Texas Nationalist Movement. I am the deputy county coordinator out here at Maverick County, and, Texas is something that's very important to me, very, very close, to my heart, and it's something that that, I I firmly believe is going to, take place in my lifetime, and I'm really, really looking forward to seeing that happen. We're closer now than at any point, in in recent, TNM history, to that moment. We have, we have more elected representatives in the Texas State House, that are Texas first, candidates that are, willing to, pledge their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor on this. So something that is greatly, greatly needed today. Now I understand, you know, folks, you know, Donald Trump being in office is going to make a lot of, changes for us. It might even make Texas harder in some ways because the prosperity that the country itself is going to see, the The United States, and it's, so our work's gonna be cut out for us to say the least. But don't care.
Still gonna leave because it's the best thing for the country. Not only, and it's and it's not it's not even a radical idea. It's something that's natural. You know, it's it's kind of like if you are in a marriage where you were constantly being abused, are you gonna stay in that marriage? Of course not. You're gonna step away. You're you're going to leave. You're going to, break that covenant. You're going to, assert your independence. And that's exactly what states like Texas are going to do. Again, 25 states in the in the country, right, and in the union, have some form of a, a secession, legislation working its way through their state legislatures, through the legislative process. So it's not something that's that's that's, that's foreign. I mean, Wayne, for I mean, you think about it.
What was the American Revolution? It was a secession From England. Of '13 individual countries from the Empire of Great Britain. When the Treaty of France was was drafted and written up and signed, it was signed by the representatives of 13 individual countries. It wasn't a declaration of, wasn't a declaration of peace and secession of hostilities between Great Britain and the American Union. It was a secession of hostilities and a treaty of peace between New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, the 13 states, the 13 original states. So secession's a normal thing.
It's what happens when the abuse and listen, folks, if you think about it, the 13 states that revolted and and seceded from Great Britain did so for much, much less than what this government does to the states at this period of time in history. So it it's a very it's a very, very, it's a very normal thing to take place. Great books to read again, Texit, by Daniel Miller, National Divorce, A Plan for Peace by Jason Fry, and if you can get it, Donald Livingston's book on, it's a which is a series of essays on, rethinking the American Union for the twenty first century. Highly recommend you get those books.
I don't know if you can get the, Livingston book right now. The last time I looked, it was out of print. But if you can get it, get it. If you can get it electronically, get it. It's a good book to read. It'll give you a it it honestly, it's it's the it's the book that got me thinking along these lines. And then, of course, I found the the T and M and immediately threw my support behind it way back in 02/2016. And, you know, I waited for my opportunity to become a Texan, not by birth, but became a Texan. And through my support behind it and became part of the district leadership team out here in Maverick County, or the county leadership team, I'm sorry, in Maverick County. So, the the subject for the for the TexIT fact that I I wanna bring up is, is a very good question. And, again, you can find all this information on the on the tand m.
Me or textitnow.org just under the facts section, the FAQs. And, let's let's let's get into this one. So this is in the subject of government taxes and taxation transition to independence. Very good question. Very good question. Will Texas be able to fund the government after Texas? Alright. So again, this is a post Texas question. This is something that will take place after the fact that Texas is separating from the American Union. So, the the piece goes on to say, simple arithmetic proves the ability of an independent Texas to fund a government at the same level that Texans are currently accustomed to if that's what Texans want. Texans currently pay in all federal and state taxes an average of $336,000,000,000 per year.
This represents the total amount of revenue readily available to an independent Texas without increasing the financial burden on Texans one single cent. From that amount, subtract the amount spent by both the federal government and the state government in Texas. Two hundred twenty eight billion is the average amount of expenditures required to maintain every program, every job, civilian and military, every department, every facility including military bases, and fulfill every function including current federal contract spending, to Texas companies provided by the federal and the state governments.
This level of government revenue would rank Texas twelfth in the world for government revenue collected. If you go to the, to the the the TexIT fact on this point on texitnow.org, There's a there's a a short video on there. You can check that out. I tried to to download the the audio, but it it just wasn't working. So, but you can you can easily click on that and and check that out. It's only about, it's only about a minute and forty seconds or so. So you should definitely head over there and check it out. Now as always, my question is this. Are you ready to join the 632 plus thousand Texans and support the work of the Texas Nationals movement to make Texas an independent nation again.
If you are, head over to texitnow.org and register your support, become a member, or make a donation. You can also do that by heading over to our website, joerusiello.com/tnm, which you, which do I have a banner for that? I do not, but you can see it on the screen right now, texitnow.org. And, again, register your support, make a donation, become a member. If you are in the Maverick County, area, let me know. I'd be happy to talk to you about it, personally and, get you on board and go through the onboarding process with you and and help you, find your place here with, with the organization and work and and turn Maverick County toward Texas independence. Alright. Wayne, do you have anything before we, start to wrap up? Well, it's been a good week in Texas. Yes. You have. Extreme weather on one end and extreme yeah. What do you call it today? What was it? The schizophrenic Texas weather. Yeah. 32 to 82. Yeah. I know you were a little late coming into the into the show this, tonight. So, we didn't get a chance to really kinda talk about that. But, so you've been here for a week, eight well, eight days tomorrow. Yep. And, that is we I think we had a great time. We got a lot of work done, you know, as far as the podcast goes. Redid the studio. We redid the studio. We've come up with some ideas and direction that we're gonna be going and and working on. And, you know, brother, I'm just gonna tell you straight out that it was a blessing to have you here, you know, for for the week. And an honor and a privilege to be on the show now. And and that, you know, brother, I love you for it, and thank you so much. And The lighting looks great. Thank you, sir. It does. Thank you. Yeah. I got rid of the shine, by the way. Yeah. So the the makeup the makeup person, you know, they didn't they didn't blot me before I came on. I mean, that was the whole thing. But you've had some good guests and different subjects. And,
[01:41:19] Unknown:
yeah, there's a lot of stuff happening. We're in a good time right now. So this is a good time to have a a program and and a and a voice because, every day something is happening. This this in this country, it's just things are changing, and if whichever side you're in on, it's it's good for us. You know, when I heard today, they're talking about no property taxes.
[01:41:39] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's first of all, I think, brother, we're gonna get into a topic here. I'm not gonna take too long. But let's just say this. Yeah. The dog's already. Taxation is theft. Yes. Taxation is immoral. Yeah. Because and I'm gonna use you as an example Mhmm. Because brother, you you paid off your property Yep. Your home. Yep. You paid her mortgage. Done. You have zero mortgage payments. Right. But yet the government still comes around and steals whatever it is they steal from you annually to allow you to continue to live on your own land. Right. Yeah. And they like last year, another $700 more. Yeah. So, yeah. Taxation for it's it's theft. It's immoral.
Once you look. I mean, I I'll even concede if if you have to pay property taxes while you're paying your mortgage. Right. Right. But once your mortgage is paid, that's it for the property taxes. Right. And and and this isn't a knock on you, brother, for your age or anything like that. I'm I'm just saying this, but I also think that that once you've retired Mhmm. And your property is paid off, you shouldn't be responsible for any more, property taxes. I know. And I'm I'm paying taxes on my retirement check. And yeah. And so you're getting taxed on money that you've already been taxed for. That makes sense.
Yeah. Well Yeah. Well, the good news is is that Texas and this is just throwing it out there, brother. Texas. Texas is, Texas has a a $28,000,000,000 surplus that they're they're working on to, get refunds out to the Texas residents, for their property taxes. So we are so we're excited about that. There's also they're also talking about, reforming the property taxes here. And, hopefully, just like, governor DeSantis over in Florida, said today that, he'd he'd like to get he'd like to do away with property taxes. So Yeah. Hopefully, Texas will jump on board with that. I think they're working toward that, but we'll see how all that, pans out in the end.
Alright. Well And Florida is a no income tax state too. Yes. Well, so is tax. So is taxes soon. Yeah. And hopefully soon, it'll be a no federal income tax either once, once DOGE gets gets through with the IRS. So we we hope, we pray, and, get that chains all going. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Alright. Does that say a fuera? You know? So alright, folks. I think, I think we'll, we'll wrap it up at this point. Any anything else? Let me just check the chat really quick. If anybody has any questions. Nope. Of course not. And, yeah. It's a little dig at the tens of people listening and watching. But so folks on Rumble, thank you so much for taking the time to be out here with us tonight. Hope you guys liked our guest, Mark, and, we're gonna look to have him back on very soon and kind of get more into the the topic conversations we, started and drifting off into tonight.
And, so just a just a heads up, so no show tomorrow. We we went back to our Monday, Wednesday, Friday schedule, this week. So, so on Wednesday evening, we're gonna have, Jack Kammer, who is a, men's mental health relationship, guru, if you wanna call it that. I'm sure that's not what he would say, but I'll say it. I'll let him I'll let him scold me on the show on Wednesday. But, he'll be with us live on Wednesday evening. And, hey, listen. This is a great opportunity if you're if you're if you're a guy and you're going through issues in your relationships, and and you have issues, going forward and establishing relationships and trying to find your place in relationships. Listen or watch the show and, make use of the live chat.
I already spoke with Jack, and and and he's fine with answering questions from the audience. So if you have any questions or comments, you can drop them into the live chat, and we'll make sure that he sees them. And, and and he and we're able to, to respond to those questions. So, so so check out the show 8PM, Wednesday night, and then we're off Thursday, we're back Friday, then we're off the weekend, and then we're back Monday, Wednesday, Friday again the following week. Alright. I think I think we'll, we'll we'll call it a night here. So, no shout outs. Again, thank you to our producers, Wayne and Rosanna Rankin. Thank you so much for your contributions to the show. Thank you to everybody that's been, supporting us, through donations. Thank you also to the folks that have been streaming on the Modern Podcast two point o apps and have been, streaming Satoshis to us. Thank you so very much for it. Get yourself a Modern Podcast app by going to modernpodcastapps.com or podcastindex.org.
And, again, if you wanna get involved with the shaping with shaping the future of a free and independent Texas, just head over to our website, joerusiello.com/tandm. Scan the QR codes and register your support, become a member, or make a donation. Don't forget the contact form. Any questions, comments you have, send them on over to us. Click the support button. Help us out with a donation in any amount or check out one of our monthly recurring donation clubs. We would love to have you there. The alexjonesstore.com/joe. Don't forget that. Get yourself some vitamins and supplements. Wayne, picked up some stuff today himself. So, we appreciate that, of course. And, you know, you find that on our website. Just, scan the QR code or click that link and get yourself on the road to better health.
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[01:47:31] Unknown:
Alright. Well I like to say happy trails, and I'm sorry, but I have to do this while you go. Right ahead. And now the podcast with Joe Rusiello, broadcasting from the asylum studio in Eagle Pass, Texas.
[01:47:46] Unknown:
Outstanding. Alright. Well, again, that's gonna do it for us folks, and thank you again for taking the time to be with us tonight. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and share the show with your friends, your family, and your followers. Folks, make Texas independent again. Go podcasting. Keep a steady stride, and happy trails. Happy trails.
[01:48:46] Unknown:
Well, that's about it really. The film ends mainly visually.
Technical Glitches and Introductions
Weekend Recap and News Highlights
Housekeeping and Support Information
Guest Introduction: Mark Becker
Mark Becker's Journey into the Unknown
Personal UFO Encounter
UFO Testimonies and Military Encounters
Interdimensional Theories and Biblical References
Flat Earth Discussion
Closing Thoughts and Future Plans
Texit Movement and Independence Discussion
