In this episode of the Joe Rooz Show, we delve into the evolution of free speech and religious freedom in America, highlighting the pivotal role of platforms like Rumble in maintaining these rights amidst increasing censorship pressures. Joe discusses the origins of Rumble, its commitment to free speech, and the challenges it faces from corporate media and governments. He encourages listeners to support Rumble by joining Rumble Premium, emphasizing the importance of platforms that uphold the First Amendment.
Joe also reflects on America's Christian heritage, exploring the historical struggles for religious liberty and the significant contributions of the Baptist community. He recounts the efforts of figures like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison in establishing religious freedom, and the ongoing battle to maintain these liberties against modern-day challenges. The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to engage in political processes and uphold the foundational principles of liberty and conscience.
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(00:04:46) Introduction and Show Overview
(00:05:26) The Evolution of Rumble and Free Speech
(00:07:46) Crypto Show Highlights and Investment Caution
(00:09:21) America's Christian Heritage and Religious Freedom
(00:12:57) The Role of Baptists in Early America
(00:22:43) Jefferson's Virginia Statute for Religious Liberty
(00:32:36) The First Amendment and Religious Freedom
(00:48:48) Separation of Church and State Explained
(00:53:39) The Importance of the Bible in Early America
(01:00:58) Political Reflections and the Role of Faith
(01:09:39) The Power of Prayer and Political Involvement
(01:17:23) Show Announcements and Closing Remarks
- Wayne Rankin
- Rosanna Rankin
- Carolina Jimenez
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Alrighty. Alrighty there folks. We've already started so I should shut that off, right? There we go. Hey folks, this is Joe Roos. It is eighteen zero six hours on Sunday, July 27. And we, of course, are, as always, transmitting to you live from the asylum studios. Deep in the bowels of Southwest Texas, the pimple on the backside of Texas, the beautiful city of Eagle Pass. And we're gonna do the very best we can to bring you the best quality talk radio we could muster without all the bluster. This is the Joe Russo. Alright, folks. You know, when Rumble first started in 02/2013, they built the platform for the small creator.
They didn't censor, they didn't have biases, they were fair, and they treated everyone equally. No one thought platforms would censor political conversation or censor ops opinions, but COVID, changed that. Facebook admitted that they had they felt a pressure from the Biden and Harris administration, and, Rumble did not. Rumble absolutely did not. They held the line. They're attacked daily for giving us a voice to talk to you. They're attacked in corporate media. They're attacked by governments like France. They're attacked from brand advertisers who refuse to work with them. Corporate America is doing everything they can to fight to remove speech.
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If you don't have the means, hey, you know what? We're just happy that you watch us on Rumble, and you can help us out by by hitting that like buttons, sharing it, subscribing it to following it, and, you know, letting all your friends and family know about it. So head over to rumble.com/premiumcodestudio, and get your $10 off an annual subscription. Alrighty. Hey, folks. Hope you guys had a good weekend so far. We had a great one this weekend. We had a lot of fun. And as you could tell, I rearranged a few things again. I told you it was coming, but, I don't like it. We're gonna go back to the other one. So we'll we're just gonna make do with Anyway, I hope you guys had a great weekend. We had a fantastic show yesterday. I don't know if you were able to catch it. Our, our crypto show, it's every two weeks on Saturday. So I hope you guys were able to come by and check that whole thing out. That was a lot of fun.
A lot of really good information in there. A lot of good tips for you to, to check out. I've already made my purchases, so you make sure you get out there and and take care of that yourself. But, we had a really good show yesterday. We talked about XRP. We talked about Algo. We talked about a whole bunch of different, cryptocurrencies that are available to you on the market right now. Things that are moving, things that are not moving. We gave you some ideas for warnings, and and things to stay away from. But folks, I just want you to remember one thing though. When you when you're watching the show about crypto, we're talking about those things and finances. Just gotta remember one thing folks, we are speculating on these predictions.
Alright? We are not, financial advisors or anything like that. We're just going by what we're observing. And, our co host, Marissa, she she uses her cards to, to to try to determine the best course of action. But remember, there is a risk in investing, and you need to carefully consider what you're investing in before you pull that trigger. Alright? So just make sure that you keep that in mind. You know, we're not responsible for any losses that you might obtain if you wanna give us credit for some of the gains you might get. Hey, that's fine. We'll take the credit. That's no problem at all. But, be careful when you go into these things, there is risk involved. None of this is guaranteed.
Marissa said yesterday too that, you know, she was wrong about the bull run. She was a little bit ahead of it, but it's coming, and stay with it. Alright. So just keep that in mind as you make your investments. Alright. Now, we got a we got our our Sunday bible study show for you tonight. We're gonna be continuing our discussion of America's Christian heritage. So I hope you've been getting a blessing out of these studies, and, I know we really not in the bible too much with this, and we we get a few verses here or there. But, I I hope that, I hope that you're getting something out of these things. It's so important for us to study our heritage, because the the the liberals are trying to do everything they can. The globalists are trying to do everything they can. The deep state is trying to do everything they can to take that away from us, And we cannot let that happen.
And the only way we don't let that happen is if we learn about our real heritage, our Christian heritage, where our founding generation was. You know our founders were not, agnostic atheists that, that ran around trying to form a liberal country. No, they did not. They found this country on Judeo Christian principles, and they got it from your bible. And we've looked at many many examples of that. We've talked about many examples of where they have invoked scripture in their discussions about liberty, about their freedoms, about their rights, about the foundate about the founding of a free nation. So, this is an important study folks. Now, before we get into the rest of the show for today, we have do have some housekeeping to do, And, we're gonna start off with our sponsor, Ezra Healing.
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I'd say that, you you probably have to reach clear back to the eighteen hundreds to kinda get this information. And and, so, you know, we have great history books of yesteryear that, that that give us light that you can't possibly get, or you couldn't possibly get anywhere else today. Now of course, they were a lot closer to the events, and you know, we've said that many times before. They were a lot closer to the events that than we are, and they didn't have a political spin to put on the whole thing. They didn't have an agenda. They were just recording the facts.
You know, the, the the the history revisionist folks, you know, they don't really care about reporting the facts, you know. All they care about is advancing an agenda, and, sadly that, you know, they've been pretty successful with that. Well, last week we talked about chaplains serving in the, the continental army, and the work that they did on behalf of the of of inspiring and and praying for and and leading in a lot of circumstances, leading troops into battle. Well, we also talked about the end of the the the war for independence, And after the colonists won their political independence from England, the problem was that they were really still at odds with one another.
Now a lot of people don't realize that. A lot of people don't understand that. There was a lot of conflict still between the various colonies, and, that continued on for for for quite some time actually. They had drawn up the articles of confederation, but, those those proved to be ultimately unsatisfactory. So they continue to work out those things. I think that the articles of Confederation were in a bad start. I like the the fact that it it gave a an extremely limited central government or general government as they called it. The the current constitution we have now led to the monstrosity that we have in Washington DC.
But you know from Lexington to Trenton, it took six and a half years for the revolutionary war to come to an end. Took six and a half years, and it took another six and a half years for a constitution to be completed. So looking looking at it from the declaration of independence to the constitution, it took about a period of thirteen years. That's a long time. That's a lot of labor, and a lot of prayer, and a lot of debate went into that. You know, it it wasn't those deals that you get today where, you know, the thing is passed in the dark of the night. You know, It didn't it did it absolutely did not work that way back then. When you talk about full transparency, there was a lot of transparency, and and people knew exactly, what was going on. Now, some people some of the people that suffered the most, religious abuse during that period of time were folks called Baptists. Alright. And we're gonna spend some time talking about the Baptists, and, you know, the Baptists have have a have a real long heritage, spiritually.
You know, not quite as long as some of our baptist brethren believe, you know, not at all not not all. Of course, you know, I was saved through a baptist church ministry. I told you last week, I attended a baptist church. I'm a member of a Baptist church right now. I was baptized in a Baptist church. I went to a Baptist bible school. You know, I I so I know quite a bit about what Baptist believe, you know. I am I I served as an associate pastor in a baptist church. So, you know, I know quite a bit about what baptists believe. And there are some baptists out there that we call baptist briders. Alright? Now if you if you don't know what a baptist bridder is, you know, I'm I'm not gonna really spend a lot of time on this, but basically a Baptist brighter is someone who believes that the Baptist church originated from John the Baptist.
You know, they just, you don't know, convenient name. You know, let's let's just kinda glom onto that. The problem with that is John himself said in John chapter three, I'm not the bride, and I'm not the bridegroom. He said what? He said, I'm a friend of the bridegroom. So do you know what that makes him? That makes him according to Luke chapter 16 and verse 16, an Old Testament prophet and saint. So to to claim a Baptist heritage back to John the Baptist is really a fallacious position to say the least. To say the least. Gotta get some of that methylene blue going.
Let's see. But, you know, but having said all that having said all that, the Baptists really do have an interesting heritage. And, before they were called Baptist, they they when they were on the European side of the ocean, they were primarily called Anabaptist, a n a hyphen baptist. When they got to America, the the prefix Anas slowly dropped off, and they just became known as Baptists. Same group, same people, but from Anabaptist to Baptists. Now, the reason why they were called Anabaptists, way back in the way back in the inquisition days, and before they were called Baptists, you know, their their roots stemmed from a variety of other groups.
And if you're a real historian, you'll read names like the Huguenots, the Waldensians, Paulikins, and and and some of those groups of of of independent spiritual thinkers contributed to Baptist thought, and Baptist philosophy, and Baptist theology. But Anabaptists, they didn't name themselves that. Alright? Their adversaries named them that. And they named them Anabaptists because they were one of the few groups around, if not really the only group that believed that baptism had nothing to do with salvation. Nothing whatsoever to do with they believed in baptism, but they were called Anabaptist as opposed, because they were opposed to baptism, as as a means of salvation.
They were opposed to the idea that baptism contributed in any way, shape, or form to salvation. So they got the title Anna. Anna meaning against. Alright? So they got the title Anna Baptist. And they were they were, you know, they were pretty I guess I guess you could say to a great degree they were very, persecuted people. Because the the vast majority of religiosity, whether it was Catholicism or or a great deal of Protestantism, still incorporated to some degree some of that thought in their minds. That's why, you know, like, like Martin Luther. Martin Luther in my estimation was a great man, and and and he responded to the light of his day, and to the light that was given him. There's no question about it.
But he never quite got that one right. You know, he clung to infant baptism, you know, with with the idea that you get some water on the kid and, you know, maybe they'll help him out a little bit. About the only thing that does is make him cry. So so, these people called Anabaptists were, you know, by and large, a very persecuted people. A very persecuted people because of their rejection of the notion that baptism contributed to salvation. Now, even two years after the signing of the declaration of of independence, Baptist ministers were still being imprisoned because of the liberty of conscience. And that's what they claimed, liberty of conscience.
For example, Reverend Elijah Baker in, Accomack Count in the Accomack County Jail. He was put in jail in, July, for all from July 1 to August 25, for simply stating that he didn't believe that baptism had anything to do with salvation. It's right here in in in these, in these fledgling United States. An old historian by the name of Little wrote this, quote, this took place during the revolution when our forefathers were nobly battling for freedom. Strange anomaly that men who thought it to be their right and duty to sacrifice life and property for political civil and civil liberty, should deny their fellows liberty of conscience.
Profound. And it was that phrase that the people that these people had clung to, liberty of conscience. Reverend Baker's case was so harsh. It was incredibly it about as harsh as you could find. The man of God was literally thrown into the hold of a ship, and the captain was instructed to deposit him on any shore that wasn't America's. Think about that. That's how they dealt with this. That's how they dealt with this particular reverend, this particular preacher. Well, without that time, Jefferson and Madison were becoming, acutely aware of this difficulty and denial of religious of religious freedom. And, they, you know, they felt compelled that they had to do something about it to ensure religious liberty, and and of course, at that point, they really weren't concerned so much with all the colonies as they were about their own colony in Virginia.
You gotta remember You gotta remember. Each state each state is an individual sovereign country in and of itself, so of course, they're more concerned about what's going on in their own country, in their own state of Virginia. And so they were dealing with this on the basis of Virginia only. So, 10/17/1777, Jefferson led a a committee of five men in producing a draft of of a radical piece of new legislation known as the Virginia statute of religious liberty. And, and and that was stated in in such terms that they thought it would guarantee religious liberty. Now ironically, the five reformers who met, Jefferson, George Mason, Edmund Pendleton, George Wythe, and, Thomas Ludwell Lee, they they collaborated in Fredericksburg, the the same time that took they collaborated in Fredericksburg, the same town that took five Baptist preachers in 1768 and imprisoned them.
And those preachers' names were Lewis Craig, John Waller, James Chiles, James Reed, and William Nash. So this was something that was taking place, with, with with pretty good regularity. Pretty good regularity. You know, and and and these Baptist people, and Baptist sympathizers, and they weren't all Baptist in name, but they were they were the same they were of the same religious persuasion, and they were being they were being abused in the colonies that that that simultaneously fought in a war for freedom and liberty, and that's crazy. That's crazy.
Well, you know, these men, these men were saying, you know, we don't just need political liberty, but we need religious liberty, we need spiritual liberty, because it was their belief that all other liberties emanate from that cornerstone. The cornerstone of liberty of conscience. You know, do what you wanna do. Do what you wanna do. Liberty of conscience. Well, Jefferson's reforms that, he was suggesting, got off to a constructive start in 1779 with a vote on December 13, repealing the old law that empowered the established church. Now, like we talked about in in in previous lessons, each colony had their own official church.
Alright? And they brought that idea over from from Europe. It was the European concept, you know, and and so they they transported that whole thing over. And, you know, generally speaking, the Episcopalians were were in the South, the congregationalists were up in the North, with some, I guess, minor variations and exceptions mixed around in there. And so what Jefferson did is he proposed in 1779 that they repeal this whole idea of a state church. Well, that didn't exactly get off the ground. John Adams said, referring to the ecclesiastical establishment, he said, he said they might as well expect a change in the solar system, as to expect that we would ever give up our ecclesiastical establishment.
So basically, in other words, he said, you know, from a from a political standpoint, you know, it ain't happening. It ain't happening. You know, this is just ground in granite, casting concrete, and that's just the simply the way it's gonna be. And so the problem was every single colony had their own official church, but people were taxed to support that church. Imagine that. Imagine that. But why not? I mean today we tax people and we support circumcisions in some foreign land somewhere across the sea, and in in the in the, in in the bush of Africa somewhere. Right?
So why not tax the people to support a church too? So it was it was the taxpayers money that actually kept those churches alive and moving forward. You know, and and so but it and so of course, yeah. I mean, they paid the pastor's salaries, you know, they paid the overhead, they paid, you know, all that stuff, you know, building expenses, etcetera. Alright. So it it went on this way for quite some time. Now, a lot of good men, a lot of good men. You know, you you can have good men that still misunderstand things. Amen? We can agree with that. Alright, for example, George Washington.
Yes, even George Washington, Patrick Henry, you know, they arrived at the conclusion that you know, it wasn't necessarily a bad idea to tax the populace to support a church. And so what they did is they came up with an idea of leaving, you know, whatever church that you want it designated for. Yeah, you can tax, you'd still be taxed, but you can designate which church you wanted your tax to be directed to. You know, I got, you know, they just they just didn't want to dismantle the whole the whole system, and they they wanted to just tweak it, just modify it just a little bit.
Well, interestingly the, the the Virginia legislature was entertaining all of this and debating it and so forth, and and of course, you know, just about every denomination supported the idea. They said, well, well, yeah, that's not a bad idea, you know, we'll go for that. You know, we'll, you know, we'll let people designate their tax tithe to our church. That'll work out okay. Well, three Baptist preachers, Jeremiah Moore, Jeremiah Walker, and John Young arrived at the Virginia legislature that was actually meeting in a warehouse in Richmond, Virginia. And they and they showed up pushing a wheelbarrow, and the wheelbarrow contained over 10,000 signatures on a petition, which colonial that's a lot of signatures in colonial Virginia.
10,000. And it was their and it was their grasp of scripture, and their concept of liberty of conscience. And this petition essentially said that that that the government shouldn't be involved in the churches in any way, shape, or form. All taxes that are that are directed to the churches should be and need to be eliminated. So on one hand you could say that that you know, well you know the Baptist could have benefited as well financially, but they said no. No, we don't want that. We don't want that at all. Well in due season Jefferson went abroad for for for a little while, and James Madison represented the Baptists, and and, and people of similar concept, and and he wrote a treatise called, Memorial and Reminstrance, arguing from history that Christianity would and always had flourished the best and the most without government support.
So, if, you know, if we're talking about Christianity flourishing, it needs to flourish on its own. It needs to flourish with no one's help but God's. So that was their concept. And, here's part of what he said in that treatise. He said, quote, the establishment proposed by the bill is not requisite for the support of the Christian religion. To say that it is is a contradiction to the Christian religion itself, for every page of it disavows a dependence on the powers of this world. It is a contradiction to fact, for it is known that this religion both existed and flourished not only without the support of human laws, but in spite of every opposition from them.
That is the absolute truth. That's the truth. Christianity has always done best with opposition, and you know, you you may hate to pray for it, but you know, maybe that's a solution. Maybe that's a solution. Well, this bill just kinda died a natural death, and, it just, you know, just basically just never got off the ground. So for a period of time, things kinda just remained, you know, just the same as they were. You know, it's it's hard to rescind existing customs and legislation. It it really is. It takes a lot of real character to do that. You know you know, we ought to say to congress actually, you know, you know, for your next three sessions, you can't make any new laws, you can only rescind old ones. How about that?
How about that? That'll go over real well, don't you think? So well, anyway, time went on, and, and and Madison later reentered Jefferson's bill on December 17. And, and, and later on, it was it was gloriously passed, and and and then signed by the speaker on January 19. Now the revolutionary, legislation read as follows. Now, I want you to keep in mind, you know, we're not talking about federal legislation. We're still talking in Virginia. Alright? So again, these states, these countries in and of themselves had to form their governments, and had to keep these things moving. But here's what here's what the bill said, here's what the legislation said. Quote, be it enacted by the General Assembly that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but that all men shall be free to profess or by argument to maintain their opinions by matter of religion, that the same shall in nowise diminish or enlarge or affect their civil capacities.
That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Alright. Now, a lot of people would say, well, you know, Thomas Jefferson was a deist, and I'm sure you've heard that, had this conversation today at at church. You know, you've heard all that baloney, and you know, he wasn't really, you know, all that much of the spiritual things and language and and thought. Well, you know what? Let me let me show you something. Alright. Let let me show you. Do you know what was written on his tombstone? You know what's written on his tombstone? What's engraved on Thomas Jefferson's tombstone is this, quote, Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of American Independence, the Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom, and father of the University of Virginia. That's what's on his tombstone.
That's what's on his tombstone. So so he was known then, as he should be known now, as a great proprietor and fighter for religious freedom. Now you see, the the this whole thing, this whole idea of of genuine religious freedom was really still evolving. I mean, it took a lot of work. It took a lot of effort. It it, of course, and and and the wording was scrutinized over and over and over again, prodigiously. But the real focal point was not so much on the constitution as it was the amendments. And that's what people really started to get concerned about. So, the Baptists, again, when they started to factor in Thomas Jefferson's language in the Virginia statute for religious freedom into the constitution, federal constitution, the Baptists once again said, hey, wait a second. Wait a minute. Hold the phone here.
We still have some concerns. We're not totally satisfied that religious freedom is guaranteed. Alright? Now keep in mind that that the Baptists as a colony had migrated to Rhode Island, and they came up with the first constitution. We talked about it last week. They came up with the first constitution that really absolutely guaranteed religious freedom, And they were they were quite concerned about that. And so you you could be, I I mean, you know, in a lot of colonies, you you could be a different religious persuasion than the existing religion of that day, that colony, and and you could suffer if not persecution at least ridicule.
Rhode Island just said, hey, you know what? A Catholic can live next to a Baptist, a Baptist can live next to a congregationalist, a congregationalist can live next to a a a a John Knox Presbyterian, and we're gonna figure out how to get along. You know, we may not agree, but we're going to we're we're gonna say we're all Americans, and we're gonna figure out how to get along. So, so probably the man who was really leading the charge for this religious freedom concept was, a Virginia pastor by the name of Reverend John Leland. John Leland.
Now doctor Simple in his history many years ago many years ago said of, of John Leland, he was probably the most popular preacher who ever resided in Virginia. Now he was the neighbor of, of both Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. He was nominated to be the, Orange County delegate of Virginia to the Virginia convention for ratification. Well, you know, he had he ended up having a meeting with Madison, and he wanted to make sure that Madison was on the same page, that he was in regards to religious freedom. And, you know, when they got all that hammered out, and had a handshake over it, and of course, that was a time when when when a man's word was his bond, Leland surrendered his place to the convention of Madison, feeling that Madison was far more articulate in expressing some of those things that he said, you know, now, than he was. And he said basically this, he says, you know, now if you'll just agree to represent us and fight for this kind of freedom, then I'll surrender my place to you. And Madison said, okay. I'll do it.
Well, after a long and very hot debate, the Virginia convention ratified the constitution on 07/28/1788 by a vote of 89 to 79. That was pretty close. That was pretty close. You know, 89 to 79, and that and that came after, New Hampshire's endorsement that settled the nine state minimum. Nine out of 13 colonies had to endorse this thing, you see? Okay. Now, in the meantime, George Washington was elected the first president. And on on April 6, he established a wonderful tradition by adding to the proposed inaugural oath. Actually, do you know what George Washington added to the inaugural oath?
I'll give you a second. If you have any idea what it is, drop it in the live chat or drop it off, drop it in the chat below. In the comments rather. What did George Washington add to the inaugural oath? He added, so help me God. So help me God. Now, when the general committee of the United Baptist Churches of Virginia sent, Washington their formal congratulations, as well as their concerns over Madison's pending amendment, the father of our country sent back his warmest personal assurances, and here's what he said. Here's what he wrote. They wrote differently back then.
I love it. They wrote, but they wrote differently than we do. They actually wrote like they were educated. You know, poor people educated in a in in in a little old one room schoolhouse, they didn't have the department of education to teach them. They didn't have the teachers union to support them, and and to fight for their for for their education. They didn't have any of those things. So, you know, they they just didn't they're just these poor poor people. They didn't know anything, did they? Listen to what he wrote. Sorry, I hit the wrong button to mute it. Didn't mean to cough in your face.
But this is what this is what, George Washington wrote. This poor, no department of education, no Randy Weingarten to fight for his religious, his educational needs. Quote, if I could have entertained the slightest apprehension that the constitution framed in the convention where I had the honor to preside might possibly endanger the religious rights of any ecclesiastical society, certainly, I would have never placed my signature to it. And if I could now conceive that the general government, that's what they called it back then, the general government. And if I could now concede that the general government might ever be administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you, will be persuaded that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny and every species of religious persecution.
Well, that's pretty clear. No? It's pretty clear. And in his closing remarks as the first president of The United States, he praised the Baptists for their exceptional patriotism that they displayed throughout the revolution, and here's what he said to that. Quote, while I recollect with satisfaction that the religious society of which you are members have been throughout America uniformly and almost unanimously the firm friends to civil liberty and to the persevering and the persevering promoters of our glorious revolution, I cannot hesitate to believe that they will be faithful supporters of a free yet efficient general government.
Under this pleasing expectation, I rejoice to assure them that they may rely upon my best wishes and endeavor to advance their prosperity. So he's commending them on on all the contributions that they made up to that point. So now when Madison introduced his initial proposal of the first amendment on the floor of the house of representatives on 06/07/1789, the wording stated and and, again, this is the initial one. Alright? This was the initial one. This is the first draft of it. Alright? So it's not quite what you're expecting, not what quite would quite what you're used to, but this was the initial one. Quote, the civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national or religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any matter, nor on any pretext infringe.
Alright. Now the first amendment was really, a political hot potato. It really was. I mean, it it wasn't just one of those things where everybody stood up and cheered and said, yeah, let's, you know, let's vote on it and go home and eat pizza. No. It wasn't like that at all. You know, I mean, they debated, and they argued, and and and but finally, they hammered the thing out. They finally got it out. And and and listen, this thing was tinkered with, you know, and changed, and amended, and fixed numerous times. But, finally, on December 15, the first amendment to the bill of rights read as follows. Now, maybe you're familiar with it, maybe you're not, but this is the first amendment.
You know, there there are there are many amendments to our constitution, but it's the first two that are always under the greatest attack. Are they are they not? Always under the greatest attack. And and next week, Lord willing, next week we're gonna talk about the second amendment. And I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a history lesson tonight, but I I I realized that. But next week, I'm gonna give you a bible study. Next week, I'm gonna show you from the bible why God is not anti gun. You know, get it get it from the source man. Yeah. Right? Get it right here.
So I'm gonna show you from the bible that God is not anti gun, and and I can prove that absolutely conclusively from this book, from the word of God. Old testament, new testament, you pick it, it's here, and we're gonna talk about that, and we're gonna prove that next week. You know, the the Lord has an armory. That's what he calls it. You know that. Right? That's what he calls it. He's got one. He's got one. And man, is it loaded. It is loaded. But that's next week. Alright? So so here's what your first amendment says today, and I quote, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or of the right of the people, peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Alright. That's your first amendment. It's pretty simple, it's pure, and it's easy to understand. Now, for the people who really understand this amendment, for for people to really understand this amendment, they need to understand the context of it historically. Alright? What was going on? Who what created the need for this? You know, folks history is like your bible. Alright? And if you if you ever hung around with me, you know, when doing bible studies, any lengthy period of time, you're always gonna hear me say something like this. And I didn't come up with this, this is I got this from from a man who taught me, and and and I'm sure he got it from the get from the man who taught him. But a text without a context is a pretext. You have to know the context, and the context was simply, do we give individuals the absolute liberty of conscience to support any church they wanted to support or support no church.
You know, should they have that liberty? And well, of course, the ultimate conclusion was yes. It was yes, of course. But but that was after a lot of real bible believing people, crusading, lobbying, writing, preaching, and and doing everything they could. You know, it's no wonder that that that John Locke, you know, the renowned John Locke wrote, quote, the Baptists were the first and only propounders of absolute liberty. Well, you know, absolute liberty goes right back to your conscience. It goes right back to your conscience. You know you know, Jesus said, render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and unto God that which is God's.
Well, there are three things that don't belong to Caesar. And, it's an alliteration of c's just to make it easy to remember. Alright? There's three things that don't belong to Caesar. You ready? Your church, your children, and your conscience. Those three things do not belong to Caesar. Do you know what we've got to tell Caesar? And the rest regarding those three things? Keep your hands off. Keep your hands off. They don't belong to you. Now, of course, I'm talking in in today's setting. We're talking about the federal government. We're talking about your local government. Caesar, keep your hands off my church, my children, and my conscience.
They don't belong to you. They're not yours to tinker with. They're not yours to play with. They're not yours to control and regulate. So, as I indicated a few moments ago, the preacher that was really leading the charge for this said, you know, we're not just satisfied with, with with rhetoric about religious liberty and freedom, we want it ground in granite. We want it in black and white. We want it written down. And that was John Leland, who lived from 1754 to 1841. Now, there's a memorial that can be seen, alongside a lone highway in Orange County, Virginia on a large metal sign. Now, if you're ever in that part of the world, you need to drive that road. I I've I've seen it. I've passed by it, and here's what it says.
1754 to 1841, elder John Leland, courageous leader of the Baptist doctrine, ardent advocate of the principles of democracy, vindicator of separation of church and state. Near this spot in 1788, elder John Leland and James Madison, the father of the American Constitution, held a significant interview, which resulted in the adoption of the Constitution by Virginia. Then Madison, a member of Congress from Orange, presented the First Amendment to the Constitution reg guaranteeing religious liberty, free speech, and a free press. This satisfied Leland and his Baptist followers presented by Eugene Buckland, Bowen, president, Berkshire County, Massachusetts, chapter, son chapter, sons of the American Revolution. Alright. That's a sign that's on the highway to this day in Virginia.
In Virginia. Well, you know, you've all heard it. Now, in reference to the first amendment, I know you've all heard it, and it's a phrase that's been, that's been coined and utilized in in and and the left loves loves it. They don't understand it, but they love it. Separation of church and state. Right? Separation of church and state. They love it, they don't understand it. Let's put that into some context, so that you can understand a little bit more about what re what that really, really means in the in the mind of the author of it. Alright?
The term separation of church and state is not contained anywhere in your constitution or anywhere in the declaration of independence. You can't find that term in those great document documents, and you could use the highest powered magnifying glass laser beam, you know, you could try to chisel away at that thing. It does not matter. You will not find it. It doesn't exist. And that term actually wasn't even heard until thirteen years after the constitution of the bill of rights. The original bill of rights were settled. So then where did it come from?
What precipitated that? Well, upon receipt of a letter from the Danbury Baptist Association of Danbury, Connecticut, expressing concern over rumors that a certain church was being considered as a national denomination, then president Thomas Jefferson issued a written reassurance, by then he was president, on on June '2, that the wall of the first amendment would keep government from interfering in religious matters. He said this, quote, I contemplate again, a letter to the Danbury Baptists in Danbury, Connecticut. I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people, which declared that their legislators should make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.
Alright? Now, question, very important question. Did you hear the context in which it was said? Did you hear the context? He said, my concern is that we're going to make sure that there is a wall between the church and the state as far as state imposed religion, as far as the state imposing any national church or denomination. They are not gonna have the liberty to do that. Now when you become more acquainted with that whole issue, it it it absolutely becomes it becomes absolutely unmistakable. As the president was addressing the Association of Baptists, he chose a very meaty phrase, but it was an illuminating statement from from the pen of Roger Williams.
And who's Roger Williams? Roger Williams was the founder of the Rhode Island colony, you know, where the Baptist hung out. Alright. Now, here's what Roger Williams said, and that's all that Thomas Jefferson was doing. He was just lifting a phrase from William's own writing, and inserting it into his letter to the Danbury Baptists. Rogers said, quote, when they've opened the opened a gap in the hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world, God hath ever broke down the wall itself, removed the candlestick, and make his garden a wilderness.
As at this day, at that and that therefore, if he will please to restore his garden in paradise again, it must of necessity be walled in particularly unto himself from the world. So Roger Williams is simply saying this, there has to be a very distinct and clear wall between the state and the church. Well, what that wall means what? You know, you you see how the liberals have flipped this? Do do do you see it? They flipped it by saying the church should have no effect on the state, but it was the intention of the founders in the absolute reversed. What they were saying were the states should have no effect on the church.
Do you see how easy it is to flip something like that? You know, that's what they call today spin. Now to now to demonstrate that the founding fathers had had a concept and a belief of the state embracing certain things of God, you need to know some you need to know some things like this. The founding fathers were so sensitive in their need of God that when shortages of war, strained economy, of a war strained economy began to they began including bibles during the revolutionary war. They made an appeal to Congress in 1777 requesting an emergency supply of scriptures that was forwarded to the appropriate committee and resulted in the following recommendation.
The appropriations committee said this, quote, that the use of the Bible is so universal. This is your this is the the the the general government. The general government. The use of the Bible is so universal and it's so and its importance so great, your committee recommends that congress will order. Congress will order the committee of commerce to import 20,000 bibles from Holland, Scotland, or elsewhere into the different parts of the states of the union whereupon the congress the the congress has moved to order the committee of commerce, import 20,000 copies of the Bible.
So, you know, they were in the middle of the revolutionary war. They said our economy is strained. Man, and and and and and we're we're short Bibles. But as strange as it was in the war effort, they said we are willing to spend the money to import 20,000 Bibles from Scotland and Holland. We're willing to get them. You know? Why? Why? Because they had such a reverence. They had such a belief that the Bible was so instrumental and so critical in the lives of individuals. And not only that, but they extracted so many principles from this book that were involved in the entire conflict.
So the Bible is revered. The Bible is revered. Here's a little trivia, it's not related to this in any way, but it's interesting. It's interesting. Pony Express riders, you know, they were I mean, they were just the like the jockeys of the day, you know. They they were they were small lightweight men, you know, and they were trying to get, they were trying to get rid of everything that would weigh them down. They didn't carry a gun, but they carry the bible. They carry the bible. They didn't carry anything else but a bible.
You see, contrary to what it is today, this is to show you how far we've gone in two hundred fifty years. Back in our country's history, there was a great reverence for the word of God. Great reverence for the word of God, which is demonstrated by the fact that Congress ordered and paid for it. Can you imagine congress today initiating a bill that they're gonna pay for a bunch of bibles? Oh, believe me. They'll pay for an abortion. They'll pay for someone to get circumcised in Africa. They'll they'll pay for, transgender Sesame Street in in The Middle East, but not a Bible.
Not a Bible. So when when you really look at the history of our nation, you gotta realize that there was an invisible war that was taking place, as there always has been. I mean, Ephesians chapter six. Right? And that invisible war as we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers and the rulers of darkness of this world and spiritual wickedness in high places. That's where the war was then. That's where the war is today. It's a fight against spiritual issues. You know, I'm a I'm a spiritual, I'm a I'm a I'm a political animal, and and I watch this stuff and and so on, and you know, I entertain thoughts about it, and you know, but political strategy is not gonna save America.
It's it's just absolutely not gonna do it. Unless there's a revival of spirituality, and a gained appreciation for the principles of the word of God, in the word of God, that were the foundation stones of this nation, there's nothing else that'll save this country. I am absolutely 100% convinced of it. So, so I guess, yeah, that's it. That's a a little bit about the first amendment and what precipitated it and what brought it about. And, you know, it it was, you know, and and actually the amendment itself, you know, of of course has more to say about freedom of speech, and freedom of press, and so on. But there was really no great argument about that. There really wasn't. You see, the great controversy didn't resolve, didn't revolve around speech unless it was religious speech.
You see, that's where the attack has always been, and that's where it always will be. Religious speech. Now, here's where it's coming to today. If if if the liberals continue to dominate the scene out there, and pretty soon if if you say anything in opposition or adversarial to, you know, all of these so called minorities, it's gonna be concluded to be hate speech. And hate speech will be punishable by prison, or or who knows what. You see that in Europe, in Great Britain, and everywhere. It's fines, imprisonment, you know, etcetera etcetera. I mean, that's that's that's where it's going. We have a little bit of a reprieve right now, but that's where it's going.
And, yeah, it's just a reversal of exactly what our founding fathers intended, but it's to be expected. Now, you know, I got into this conversation last week with with the guest on the show, and, you know, we we agreed to disagree on on a couple of things. I have these flags here behind me. I believe that that eventually, this this American union is going to break up. But that's not giving up on America, because, you know, America is not the states that make up this union. America is an idea, it's a concept. And I don't give up on that. I don't.
And but sometimes as far as the the the the country itself goes, I mean, you have a tendency to, you know, to wanna just, you know, throw your hands up and go dig yourself a cave somewhere in the side of a mountain, you know, you know, light your little wood stove, eat your can of tuna fish, and say, well, you know. You know what I mean? You you you get me, you understand. And, but you know the Lord has in his in his infinite mercy in the past, I'm not gonna say reverse things, but slowed things down. Way down in some cases, and the Lord can do that because he has done it.
You know, under the administration of Joe Biden. I paused because, you know, the auto pen. But under the administration of Joe Biden, you know, the thing was going about a thousand miles an hour to the left, the far left. Look, I I love Donald Trump. I think he's great. I think he's doing a great job. On the whole, I think there were some missteps, you know, missteps along the way. Of course, I mean, that's normal. That's, you know, you have to expect that. You know, it's not gonna be perfect a 100% of the time. And, you know, there's a there's a bunch of things swirling around right now that I don't think he handled properly, or it's or at least his people handle handle properly, especially around the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, and that's another subject for another day.
But, you know some people just wanna make Donald Trump the fourth member of the Trinity. I'm not willing to do that. I'm not willing to do that, but you know, the the the Lord, I'm convinced, did use him, did save his life last year in Pennsylvania to, you know, put the brakes on on some of the things, and slow some things down. I'm convinced of that. I I believe that. I I mean, it look folks, if there's ever a time where we need to have some breaks put on, it's now. Amen? It's now. So but it's God's people that have to be involved. Ted Cruz said, some time ago, and and I think he's right about this.
I wanna say this is maybe four or six, maybe six years ago. And they they done they've done some statistical assessments on on this, but but I think he's right. He said that there were approximately 50,000,000 evangelicals in this country that don't vote. 50,000,000. 50,000,000 can swing an election, any election. You see what I'm saying? That's why they threw the borders wide open, and allowed in 20 plus million people illegally. They could swing an election. You know, it it'd be, just a huge pain in the posterior backside, but, more Christians ought to be on the school boards in America.
You know, just giving liberals fits. More Christians ought to be on city and town councils, and and and and and in county governments. You know, more Christians need to be involved where there's actually a voice of opposition. But, you know, our tendency is, you know, just to, you know, throw our hands up and despair and say, you know, I'll give up. Well, you know, it's just I don't see reversing it. I don't see it changing anytime soon. It probably won't reverse, but no one no one is gonna fix it, short of Jesus Christ. You know, no one's gonna be able to fix it.
But sometimes, you know, if you study your old testament, and you study the kings, and and and and and even study clear back in in in the judges. You know, the the thing would speed up to the left, and then God, you know, God's people inevitably would get involved, and that's what it took. You know, there are no exceptions. It was God's people that cried out to the Lord. It was God's people that said, God, we need your help. We're repenting, returning to you. And the Lord said, okay. Let's put the brakes on this whole thing a little bit. You know, there there there's six thousand years of human history of that. Just study it.
It's undeniable that it's possible. It is possible. It is possible, but it's up to us. It's it's if but if we put our faith in a politician, you know, I I study these people. I look at them. I try to evaluate. I wait, you know, I I I evaluate, wait, you know, I try to analyze them the best that I can. But you know, ultimately folks, it it's it's that's not what your faith is. That's not where your faith is. Your faith is in Jesus Christ, and then God can, if he wants to, if he desires to, if he's willing to, he can pick a Donald Trump to help slow things down. He could do that.
He's done it before. All you gotta do is study some of the kings back in the old testament. You know, some of them came from very very unlikely situations and and and circumstances where, you know, where they came from, you know, very liberal fathers, grandfathers, and all of a sudden you get a conservative. That's what's happening today in this generation. You see, this generation coming up is coming up as a more conservative generation than a previous generations. There are more there are more of this generation coming up that are trending, and putting their faith back in in in God. Now, are they putting it all in in the right thing? No, not necessarily, but there's hope there.
But all of a sudden you you get you get a conservative out of all this, and how does that happen? You know, you get a guy that that that that has, you know, two or three generations behind him that are just pagan and liberal as as they can be, and then all of a sudden, you get this guy that pops up with no introduction to conservative thinking or biblical thinking whatsoever, and he becomes a real man of God. How does that happen? How does that happen? Just God. Just God. That's how it happens. And God gets involved in the equation, and and you have men like Hezekiah, and and and, Josiah, and Asa, and others in in your bible that represent that very scenario. So it's a fascinating thing, it it it really is.
You know, just just because a guy, and I know I'm on my soapbox here, I'm about to quit. But just but just because a guy professes Christianity, doesn't necessarily make him a good candidate. So so you know, we need to pray for America. We need to pray for candidates, pray for wisdom, pray for those that are in leadership positions, and that are that are our representatives. Pray for wisdom on the part of the people. I, you know, I have I have a lot of respect for president Trump. I don't agree with everything. I think he's made some missteps in this administration.
Every administration does. You will never ever ever find a perfect administration. I understand that. I get that. I like Donald Trump. I think he's pretty straight on. He doesn't mince words. He just says it the way it is. I believe that don't that God used Donald Trump to put the brakes on, you know, in in this in this term that he has now, just like he did in the previous term. I believe he's doing it again. You saw how far to the left we lurched after his, after, Donald Trump's first term. God's using them. God's using them. And, you look at JD Vance, you look at Mark Rubio, you look at Pete Hegseth, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, he put together a team that has spine, and that's a good thing, isn't it? That's a good thing.
I I believe that all the political persecutions that he's gone through, and his will to fight through them can be used by God, and is being used by God to revive America because the people are waking up. The people are waking up. It's resonating. And it's an interesting thing to watch. Folks, Pod Home is the most modern and easy to use podcast hosting platform. Use it to publish your episodes, enhance your audio, and automatically generate transcripts, chapters, titles, show notes, and more. You can even podcast live. You get your own website.
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Marissa said yesterday too that, you know, she was wrong about the bull run. She was a little bit ahead of it, but it's coming, and stay with it. Alright. So just keep that in mind as you make your investments. Alright. Now, we got a we got our our Sunday bible study show for you tonight. We're gonna be continuing our discussion of America's Christian heritage. So I hope you've been getting a blessing out of these studies, and, I know we really not in the bible too much with this, and we we get a few verses here or there. But, I I hope that, I hope that you're getting something out of these things. It's so important for us to study our heritage, because the the the liberals are trying to do everything they can. The globalists are trying to do everything they can. The deep state is trying to do everything they can to take that away from us, And we cannot let that happen.
And the only way we don't let that happen is if we learn about our real heritage, our Christian heritage, where our founding generation was. You know our founders were not, agnostic atheists that, that ran around trying to form a liberal country. No, they did not. They found this country on Judeo Christian principles, and they got it from your bible. And we've looked at many many examples of that. We've talked about many examples of where they have invoked scripture in their discussions about liberty, about their freedoms, about their rights, about the foundate about the founding of a free nation. So, this is an important study folks. Now, before we get into the rest of the show for today, we have do have some housekeeping to do, And, we're gonna start off with our sponsor, Ezra Healing.
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I'd say that, you you probably have to reach clear back to the eighteen hundreds to kinda get this information. And and, so, you know, we have great history books of yesteryear that, that that give us light that you can't possibly get, or you couldn't possibly get anywhere else today. Now of course, they were a lot closer to the events, and you know, we've said that many times before. They were a lot closer to the events that than we are, and they didn't have a political spin to put on the whole thing. They didn't have an agenda. They were just recording the facts.
You know, the, the the the history revisionist folks, you know, they don't really care about reporting the facts, you know. All they care about is advancing an agenda, and, sadly that, you know, they've been pretty successful with that. Well, last week we talked about chaplains serving in the, the continental army, and the work that they did on behalf of the of of inspiring and and praying for and and leading in a lot of circumstances, leading troops into battle. Well, we also talked about the end of the the the war for independence, And after the colonists won their political independence from England, the problem was that they were really still at odds with one another.
Now a lot of people don't realize that. A lot of people don't understand that. There was a lot of conflict still between the various colonies, and, that continued on for for for quite some time actually. They had drawn up the articles of confederation, but, those those proved to be ultimately unsatisfactory. So they continue to work out those things. I think that the articles of Confederation were in a bad start. I like the the fact that it it gave a an extremely limited central government or general government as they called it. The the current constitution we have now led to the monstrosity that we have in Washington DC.
But you know from Lexington to Trenton, it took six and a half years for the revolutionary war to come to an end. Took six and a half years, and it took another six and a half years for a constitution to be completed. So looking looking at it from the declaration of independence to the constitution, it took about a period of thirteen years. That's a long time. That's a lot of labor, and a lot of prayer, and a lot of debate went into that. You know, it it wasn't those deals that you get today where, you know, the thing is passed in the dark of the night. You know, It didn't it did it absolutely did not work that way back then. When you talk about full transparency, there was a lot of transparency, and and people knew exactly, what was going on. Now, some people some of the people that suffered the most, religious abuse during that period of time were folks called Baptists. Alright. And we're gonna spend some time talking about the Baptists, and, you know, the Baptists have have a have a real long heritage, spiritually.
You know, not quite as long as some of our baptist brethren believe, you know, not at all not not all. Of course, you know, I was saved through a baptist church ministry. I told you last week, I attended a baptist church. I'm a member of a Baptist church right now. I was baptized in a Baptist church. I went to a Baptist bible school. You know, I I so I know quite a bit about what Baptist believe, you know. I am I I served as an associate pastor in a baptist church. So, you know, I know quite a bit about what baptists believe. And there are some baptists out there that we call baptist briders. Alright? Now if you if you don't know what a baptist bridder is, you know, I'm I'm not gonna really spend a lot of time on this, but basically a Baptist brighter is someone who believes that the Baptist church originated from John the Baptist.
You know, they just, you don't know, convenient name. You know, let's let's just kinda glom onto that. The problem with that is John himself said in John chapter three, I'm not the bride, and I'm not the bridegroom. He said what? He said, I'm a friend of the bridegroom. So do you know what that makes him? That makes him according to Luke chapter 16 and verse 16, an Old Testament prophet and saint. So to to claim a Baptist heritage back to John the Baptist is really a fallacious position to say the least. To say the least. Gotta get some of that methylene blue going.
Let's see. But, you know, but having said all that having said all that, the Baptists really do have an interesting heritage. And, before they were called Baptist, they they when they were on the European side of the ocean, they were primarily called Anabaptist, a n a hyphen baptist. When they got to America, the the prefix Anas slowly dropped off, and they just became known as Baptists. Same group, same people, but from Anabaptist to Baptists. Now, the reason why they were called Anabaptists, way back in the way back in the inquisition days, and before they were called Baptists, you know, their their roots stemmed from a variety of other groups.
And if you're a real historian, you'll read names like the Huguenots, the Waldensians, Paulikins, and and and some of those groups of of of independent spiritual thinkers contributed to Baptist thought, and Baptist philosophy, and Baptist theology. But Anabaptists, they didn't name themselves that. Alright? Their adversaries named them that. And they named them Anabaptists because they were one of the few groups around, if not really the only group that believed that baptism had nothing to do with salvation. Nothing whatsoever to do with they believed in baptism, but they were called Anabaptist as opposed, because they were opposed to baptism, as as a means of salvation.
They were opposed to the idea that baptism contributed in any way, shape, or form to salvation. So they got the title Anna. Anna meaning against. Alright? So they got the title Anna Baptist. And they were they were, you know, they were pretty I guess I guess you could say to a great degree they were very, persecuted people. Because the the vast majority of religiosity, whether it was Catholicism or or a great deal of Protestantism, still incorporated to some degree some of that thought in their minds. That's why, you know, like, like Martin Luther. Martin Luther in my estimation was a great man, and and and he responded to the light of his day, and to the light that was given him. There's no question about it.
But he never quite got that one right. You know, he clung to infant baptism, you know, with with the idea that you get some water on the kid and, you know, maybe they'll help him out a little bit. About the only thing that does is make him cry. So so, these people called Anabaptists were, you know, by and large, a very persecuted people. A very persecuted people because of their rejection of the notion that baptism contributed to salvation. Now, even two years after the signing of the declaration of of independence, Baptist ministers were still being imprisoned because of the liberty of conscience. And that's what they claimed, liberty of conscience.
For example, Reverend Elijah Baker in, Accomack Count in the Accomack County Jail. He was put in jail in, July, for all from July 1 to August 25, for simply stating that he didn't believe that baptism had anything to do with salvation. It's right here in in in these, in these fledgling United States. An old historian by the name of Little wrote this, quote, this took place during the revolution when our forefathers were nobly battling for freedom. Strange anomaly that men who thought it to be their right and duty to sacrifice life and property for political civil and civil liberty, should deny their fellows liberty of conscience.
Profound. And it was that phrase that the people that these people had clung to, liberty of conscience. Reverend Baker's case was so harsh. It was incredibly it about as harsh as you could find. The man of God was literally thrown into the hold of a ship, and the captain was instructed to deposit him on any shore that wasn't America's. Think about that. That's how they dealt with this. That's how they dealt with this particular reverend, this particular preacher. Well, without that time, Jefferson and Madison were becoming, acutely aware of this difficulty and denial of religious of religious freedom. And, they, you know, they felt compelled that they had to do something about it to ensure religious liberty, and and of course, at that point, they really weren't concerned so much with all the colonies as they were about their own colony in Virginia.
You gotta remember You gotta remember. Each state each state is an individual sovereign country in and of itself, so of course, they're more concerned about what's going on in their own country, in their own state of Virginia. And so they were dealing with this on the basis of Virginia only. So, 10/17/1777, Jefferson led a a committee of five men in producing a draft of of a radical piece of new legislation known as the Virginia statute of religious liberty. And, and and that was stated in in such terms that they thought it would guarantee religious liberty. Now ironically, the five reformers who met, Jefferson, George Mason, Edmund Pendleton, George Wythe, and, Thomas Ludwell Lee, they they collaborated in Fredericksburg, the the same time that took they collaborated in Fredericksburg, the same town that took five Baptist preachers in 1768 and imprisoned them.
And those preachers' names were Lewis Craig, John Waller, James Chiles, James Reed, and William Nash. So this was something that was taking place, with, with with pretty good regularity. Pretty good regularity. You know, and and and these Baptist people, and Baptist sympathizers, and they weren't all Baptist in name, but they were they were the same they were of the same religious persuasion, and they were being they were being abused in the colonies that that that simultaneously fought in a war for freedom and liberty, and that's crazy. That's crazy.
Well, you know, these men, these men were saying, you know, we don't just need political liberty, but we need religious liberty, we need spiritual liberty, because it was their belief that all other liberties emanate from that cornerstone. The cornerstone of liberty of conscience. You know, do what you wanna do. Do what you wanna do. Liberty of conscience. Well, Jefferson's reforms that, he was suggesting, got off to a constructive start in 1779 with a vote on December 13, repealing the old law that empowered the established church. Now, like we talked about in in in previous lessons, each colony had their own official church.
Alright? And they brought that idea over from from Europe. It was the European concept, you know, and and so they they transported that whole thing over. And, you know, generally speaking, the Episcopalians were were in the South, the congregationalists were up in the North, with some, I guess, minor variations and exceptions mixed around in there. And so what Jefferson did is he proposed in 1779 that they repeal this whole idea of a state church. Well, that didn't exactly get off the ground. John Adams said, referring to the ecclesiastical establishment, he said, he said they might as well expect a change in the solar system, as to expect that we would ever give up our ecclesiastical establishment.
So basically, in other words, he said, you know, from a from a political standpoint, you know, it ain't happening. It ain't happening. You know, this is just ground in granite, casting concrete, and that's just the simply the way it's gonna be. And so the problem was every single colony had their own official church, but people were taxed to support that church. Imagine that. Imagine that. But why not? I mean today we tax people and we support circumcisions in some foreign land somewhere across the sea, and in in the in the, in in the bush of Africa somewhere. Right?
So why not tax the people to support a church too? So it was it was the taxpayers money that actually kept those churches alive and moving forward. You know, and and so but it and so of course, yeah. I mean, they paid the pastor's salaries, you know, they paid the overhead, they paid, you know, all that stuff, you know, building expenses, etcetera. Alright. So it it went on this way for quite some time. Now, a lot of good men, a lot of good men. You know, you you can have good men that still misunderstand things. Amen? We can agree with that. Alright, for example, George Washington.
Yes, even George Washington, Patrick Henry, you know, they arrived at the conclusion that you know, it wasn't necessarily a bad idea to tax the populace to support a church. And so what they did is they came up with an idea of leaving, you know, whatever church that you want it designated for. Yeah, you can tax, you'd still be taxed, but you can designate which church you wanted your tax to be directed to. You know, I got, you know, they just they just didn't want to dismantle the whole the whole system, and they they wanted to just tweak it, just modify it just a little bit.
Well, interestingly the, the the Virginia legislature was entertaining all of this and debating it and so forth, and and of course, you know, just about every denomination supported the idea. They said, well, well, yeah, that's not a bad idea, you know, we'll go for that. You know, we'll, you know, we'll let people designate their tax tithe to our church. That'll work out okay. Well, three Baptist preachers, Jeremiah Moore, Jeremiah Walker, and John Young arrived at the Virginia legislature that was actually meeting in a warehouse in Richmond, Virginia. And they and they showed up pushing a wheelbarrow, and the wheelbarrow contained over 10,000 signatures on a petition, which colonial that's a lot of signatures in colonial Virginia.
10,000. And it was their and it was their grasp of scripture, and their concept of liberty of conscience. And this petition essentially said that that that the government shouldn't be involved in the churches in any way, shape, or form. All taxes that are that are directed to the churches should be and need to be eliminated. So on one hand you could say that that you know, well you know the Baptist could have benefited as well financially, but they said no. No, we don't want that. We don't want that at all. Well in due season Jefferson went abroad for for for a little while, and James Madison represented the Baptists, and and, and people of similar concept, and and he wrote a treatise called, Memorial and Reminstrance, arguing from history that Christianity would and always had flourished the best and the most without government support.
So, if, you know, if we're talking about Christianity flourishing, it needs to flourish on its own. It needs to flourish with no one's help but God's. So that was their concept. And, here's part of what he said in that treatise. He said, quote, the establishment proposed by the bill is not requisite for the support of the Christian religion. To say that it is is a contradiction to the Christian religion itself, for every page of it disavows a dependence on the powers of this world. It is a contradiction to fact, for it is known that this religion both existed and flourished not only without the support of human laws, but in spite of every opposition from them.
That is the absolute truth. That's the truth. Christianity has always done best with opposition, and you know, you you may hate to pray for it, but you know, maybe that's a solution. Maybe that's a solution. Well, this bill just kinda died a natural death, and, it just, you know, just basically just never got off the ground. So for a period of time, things kinda just remained, you know, just the same as they were. You know, it's it's hard to rescind existing customs and legislation. It it really is. It takes a lot of real character to do that. You know you know, we ought to say to congress actually, you know, you know, for your next three sessions, you can't make any new laws, you can only rescind old ones. How about that?
How about that? That'll go over real well, don't you think? So well, anyway, time went on, and, and and Madison later reentered Jefferson's bill on December 17. And, and, and later on, it was it was gloriously passed, and and and then signed by the speaker on January 19. Now the revolutionary, legislation read as follows. Now, I want you to keep in mind, you know, we're not talking about federal legislation. We're still talking in Virginia. Alright? So again, these states, these countries in and of themselves had to form their governments, and had to keep these things moving. But here's what here's what the bill said, here's what the legislation said. Quote, be it enacted by the General Assembly that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but that all men shall be free to profess or by argument to maintain their opinions by matter of religion, that the same shall in nowise diminish or enlarge or affect their civil capacities.
That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Alright. Now, a lot of people would say, well, you know, Thomas Jefferson was a deist, and I'm sure you've heard that, had this conversation today at at church. You know, you've heard all that baloney, and you know, he wasn't really, you know, all that much of the spiritual things and language and and thought. Well, you know what? Let me let me show you something. Alright. Let let me show you. Do you know what was written on his tombstone? You know what's written on his tombstone? What's engraved on Thomas Jefferson's tombstone is this, quote, Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of American Independence, the Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom, and father of the University of Virginia. That's what's on his tombstone.
That's what's on his tombstone. So so he was known then, as he should be known now, as a great proprietor and fighter for religious freedom. Now you see, the the this whole thing, this whole idea of of genuine religious freedom was really still evolving. I mean, it took a lot of work. It took a lot of effort. It it, of course, and and and the wording was scrutinized over and over and over again, prodigiously. But the real focal point was not so much on the constitution as it was the amendments. And that's what people really started to get concerned about. So, the Baptists, again, when they started to factor in Thomas Jefferson's language in the Virginia statute for religious freedom into the constitution, federal constitution, the Baptists once again said, hey, wait a second. Wait a minute. Hold the phone here.
We still have some concerns. We're not totally satisfied that religious freedom is guaranteed. Alright? Now keep in mind that that the Baptists as a colony had migrated to Rhode Island, and they came up with the first constitution. We talked about it last week. They came up with the first constitution that really absolutely guaranteed religious freedom, And they were they were quite concerned about that. And so you you could be, I I mean, you know, in a lot of colonies, you you could be a different religious persuasion than the existing religion of that day, that colony, and and you could suffer if not persecution at least ridicule.
Rhode Island just said, hey, you know what? A Catholic can live next to a Baptist, a Baptist can live next to a congregationalist, a congregationalist can live next to a a a a John Knox Presbyterian, and we're gonna figure out how to get along. You know, we may not agree, but we're going to we're we're gonna say we're all Americans, and we're gonna figure out how to get along. So, so probably the man who was really leading the charge for this religious freedom concept was, a Virginia pastor by the name of Reverend John Leland. John Leland.
Now doctor Simple in his history many years ago many years ago said of, of John Leland, he was probably the most popular preacher who ever resided in Virginia. Now he was the neighbor of, of both Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. He was nominated to be the, Orange County delegate of Virginia to the Virginia convention for ratification. Well, you know, he had he ended up having a meeting with Madison, and he wanted to make sure that Madison was on the same page, that he was in regards to religious freedom. And, you know, when they got all that hammered out, and had a handshake over it, and of course, that was a time when when when a man's word was his bond, Leland surrendered his place to the convention of Madison, feeling that Madison was far more articulate in expressing some of those things that he said, you know, now, than he was. And he said basically this, he says, you know, now if you'll just agree to represent us and fight for this kind of freedom, then I'll surrender my place to you. And Madison said, okay. I'll do it.
Well, after a long and very hot debate, the Virginia convention ratified the constitution on 07/28/1788 by a vote of 89 to 79. That was pretty close. That was pretty close. You know, 89 to 79, and that and that came after, New Hampshire's endorsement that settled the nine state minimum. Nine out of 13 colonies had to endorse this thing, you see? Okay. Now, in the meantime, George Washington was elected the first president. And on on April 6, he established a wonderful tradition by adding to the proposed inaugural oath. Actually, do you know what George Washington added to the inaugural oath?
I'll give you a second. If you have any idea what it is, drop it in the live chat or drop it off, drop it in the chat below. In the comments rather. What did George Washington add to the inaugural oath? He added, so help me God. So help me God. Now, when the general committee of the United Baptist Churches of Virginia sent, Washington their formal congratulations, as well as their concerns over Madison's pending amendment, the father of our country sent back his warmest personal assurances, and here's what he said. Here's what he wrote. They wrote differently back then.
I love it. They wrote, but they wrote differently than we do. They actually wrote like they were educated. You know, poor people educated in a in in in a little old one room schoolhouse, they didn't have the department of education to teach them. They didn't have the teachers union to support them, and and to fight for their for for their education. They didn't have any of those things. So, you know, they they just didn't they're just these poor poor people. They didn't know anything, did they? Listen to what he wrote. Sorry, I hit the wrong button to mute it. Didn't mean to cough in your face.
But this is what this is what, George Washington wrote. This poor, no department of education, no Randy Weingarten to fight for his religious, his educational needs. Quote, if I could have entertained the slightest apprehension that the constitution framed in the convention where I had the honor to preside might possibly endanger the religious rights of any ecclesiastical society, certainly, I would have never placed my signature to it. And if I could now conceive that the general government, that's what they called it back then, the general government. And if I could now concede that the general government might ever be administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you, will be persuaded that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny and every species of religious persecution.
Well, that's pretty clear. No? It's pretty clear. And in his closing remarks as the first president of The United States, he praised the Baptists for their exceptional patriotism that they displayed throughout the revolution, and here's what he said to that. Quote, while I recollect with satisfaction that the religious society of which you are members have been throughout America uniformly and almost unanimously the firm friends to civil liberty and to the persevering and the persevering promoters of our glorious revolution, I cannot hesitate to believe that they will be faithful supporters of a free yet efficient general government.
Under this pleasing expectation, I rejoice to assure them that they may rely upon my best wishes and endeavor to advance their prosperity. So he's commending them on on all the contributions that they made up to that point. So now when Madison introduced his initial proposal of the first amendment on the floor of the house of representatives on 06/07/1789, the wording stated and and, again, this is the initial one. Alright? This was the initial one. This is the first draft of it. Alright? So it's not quite what you're expecting, not what quite would quite what you're used to, but this was the initial one. Quote, the civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national or religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any matter, nor on any pretext infringe.
Alright. Now the first amendment was really, a political hot potato. It really was. I mean, it it wasn't just one of those things where everybody stood up and cheered and said, yeah, let's, you know, let's vote on it and go home and eat pizza. No. It wasn't like that at all. You know, I mean, they debated, and they argued, and and and but finally, they hammered the thing out. They finally got it out. And and and listen, this thing was tinkered with, you know, and changed, and amended, and fixed numerous times. But, finally, on December 15, the first amendment to the bill of rights read as follows. Now, maybe you're familiar with it, maybe you're not, but this is the first amendment.
You know, there there are there are many amendments to our constitution, but it's the first two that are always under the greatest attack. Are they are they not? Always under the greatest attack. And and next week, Lord willing, next week we're gonna talk about the second amendment. And I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a history lesson tonight, but I I I realized that. But next week, I'm gonna give you a bible study. Next week, I'm gonna show you from the bible why God is not anti gun. You know, get it get it from the source man. Yeah. Right? Get it right here.
So I'm gonna show you from the bible that God is not anti gun, and and I can prove that absolutely conclusively from this book, from the word of God. Old testament, new testament, you pick it, it's here, and we're gonna talk about that, and we're gonna prove that next week. You know, the the Lord has an armory. That's what he calls it. You know that. Right? That's what he calls it. He's got one. He's got one. And man, is it loaded. It is loaded. But that's next week. Alright? So so here's what your first amendment says today, and I quote, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or of the right of the people, peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Alright. That's your first amendment. It's pretty simple, it's pure, and it's easy to understand. Now, for the people who really understand this amendment, for for people to really understand this amendment, they need to understand the context of it historically. Alright? What was going on? Who what created the need for this? You know, folks history is like your bible. Alright? And if you if you ever hung around with me, you know, when doing bible studies, any lengthy period of time, you're always gonna hear me say something like this. And I didn't come up with this, this is I got this from from a man who taught me, and and and I'm sure he got it from the get from the man who taught him. But a text without a context is a pretext. You have to know the context, and the context was simply, do we give individuals the absolute liberty of conscience to support any church they wanted to support or support no church.
You know, should they have that liberty? And well, of course, the ultimate conclusion was yes. It was yes, of course. But but that was after a lot of real bible believing people, crusading, lobbying, writing, preaching, and and doing everything they could. You know, it's no wonder that that that John Locke, you know, the renowned John Locke wrote, quote, the Baptists were the first and only propounders of absolute liberty. Well, you know, absolute liberty goes right back to your conscience. It goes right back to your conscience. You know you know, Jesus said, render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and unto God that which is God's.
Well, there are three things that don't belong to Caesar. And, it's an alliteration of c's just to make it easy to remember. Alright? There's three things that don't belong to Caesar. You ready? Your church, your children, and your conscience. Those three things do not belong to Caesar. Do you know what we've got to tell Caesar? And the rest regarding those three things? Keep your hands off. Keep your hands off. They don't belong to you. Now, of course, I'm talking in in today's setting. We're talking about the federal government. We're talking about your local government. Caesar, keep your hands off my church, my children, and my conscience.
They don't belong to you. They're not yours to tinker with. They're not yours to play with. They're not yours to control and regulate. So, as I indicated a few moments ago, the preacher that was really leading the charge for this said, you know, we're not just satisfied with, with with rhetoric about religious liberty and freedom, we want it ground in granite. We want it in black and white. We want it written down. And that was John Leland, who lived from 1754 to 1841. Now, there's a memorial that can be seen, alongside a lone highway in Orange County, Virginia on a large metal sign. Now, if you're ever in that part of the world, you need to drive that road. I I've I've seen it. I've passed by it, and here's what it says.
1754 to 1841, elder John Leland, courageous leader of the Baptist doctrine, ardent advocate of the principles of democracy, vindicator of separation of church and state. Near this spot in 1788, elder John Leland and James Madison, the father of the American Constitution, held a significant interview, which resulted in the adoption of the Constitution by Virginia. Then Madison, a member of Congress from Orange, presented the First Amendment to the Constitution reg guaranteeing religious liberty, free speech, and a free press. This satisfied Leland and his Baptist followers presented by Eugene Buckland, Bowen, president, Berkshire County, Massachusetts, chapter, son chapter, sons of the American Revolution. Alright. That's a sign that's on the highway to this day in Virginia.
In Virginia. Well, you know, you've all heard it. Now, in reference to the first amendment, I know you've all heard it, and it's a phrase that's been, that's been coined and utilized in in and and the left loves loves it. They don't understand it, but they love it. Separation of church and state. Right? Separation of church and state. They love it, they don't understand it. Let's put that into some context, so that you can understand a little bit more about what re what that really, really means in the in the mind of the author of it. Alright?
The term separation of church and state is not contained anywhere in your constitution or anywhere in the declaration of independence. You can't find that term in those great document documents, and you could use the highest powered magnifying glass laser beam, you know, you could try to chisel away at that thing. It does not matter. You will not find it. It doesn't exist. And that term actually wasn't even heard until thirteen years after the constitution of the bill of rights. The original bill of rights were settled. So then where did it come from?
What precipitated that? Well, upon receipt of a letter from the Danbury Baptist Association of Danbury, Connecticut, expressing concern over rumors that a certain church was being considered as a national denomination, then president Thomas Jefferson issued a written reassurance, by then he was president, on on June '2, that the wall of the first amendment would keep government from interfering in religious matters. He said this, quote, I contemplate again, a letter to the Danbury Baptists in Danbury, Connecticut. I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people, which declared that their legislators should make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.
Alright? Now, question, very important question. Did you hear the context in which it was said? Did you hear the context? He said, my concern is that we're going to make sure that there is a wall between the church and the state as far as state imposed religion, as far as the state imposing any national church or denomination. They are not gonna have the liberty to do that. Now when you become more acquainted with that whole issue, it it it absolutely becomes it becomes absolutely unmistakable. As the president was addressing the Association of Baptists, he chose a very meaty phrase, but it was an illuminating statement from from the pen of Roger Williams.
And who's Roger Williams? Roger Williams was the founder of the Rhode Island colony, you know, where the Baptist hung out. Alright. Now, here's what Roger Williams said, and that's all that Thomas Jefferson was doing. He was just lifting a phrase from William's own writing, and inserting it into his letter to the Danbury Baptists. Rogers said, quote, when they've opened the opened a gap in the hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world, God hath ever broke down the wall itself, removed the candlestick, and make his garden a wilderness.
As at this day, at that and that therefore, if he will please to restore his garden in paradise again, it must of necessity be walled in particularly unto himself from the world. So Roger Williams is simply saying this, there has to be a very distinct and clear wall between the state and the church. Well, what that wall means what? You know, you you see how the liberals have flipped this? Do do do you see it? They flipped it by saying the church should have no effect on the state, but it was the intention of the founders in the absolute reversed. What they were saying were the states should have no effect on the church.
Do you see how easy it is to flip something like that? You know, that's what they call today spin. Now to now to demonstrate that the founding fathers had had a concept and a belief of the state embracing certain things of God, you need to know some you need to know some things like this. The founding fathers were so sensitive in their need of God that when shortages of war, strained economy, of a war strained economy began to they began including bibles during the revolutionary war. They made an appeal to Congress in 1777 requesting an emergency supply of scriptures that was forwarded to the appropriate committee and resulted in the following recommendation.
The appropriations committee said this, quote, that the use of the Bible is so universal. This is your this is the the the the general government. The general government. The use of the Bible is so universal and it's so and its importance so great, your committee recommends that congress will order. Congress will order the committee of commerce to import 20,000 bibles from Holland, Scotland, or elsewhere into the different parts of the states of the union whereupon the congress the the congress has moved to order the committee of commerce, import 20,000 copies of the Bible.
So, you know, they were in the middle of the revolutionary war. They said our economy is strained. Man, and and and and and we're we're short Bibles. But as strange as it was in the war effort, they said we are willing to spend the money to import 20,000 Bibles from Scotland and Holland. We're willing to get them. You know? Why? Why? Because they had such a reverence. They had such a belief that the Bible was so instrumental and so critical in the lives of individuals. And not only that, but they extracted so many principles from this book that were involved in the entire conflict.
So the Bible is revered. The Bible is revered. Here's a little trivia, it's not related to this in any way, but it's interesting. It's interesting. Pony Express riders, you know, they were I mean, they were just the like the jockeys of the day, you know. They they were they were small lightweight men, you know, and they were trying to get, they were trying to get rid of everything that would weigh them down. They didn't carry a gun, but they carry the bible. They carry the bible. They didn't carry anything else but a bible.
You see, contrary to what it is today, this is to show you how far we've gone in two hundred fifty years. Back in our country's history, there was a great reverence for the word of God. Great reverence for the word of God, which is demonstrated by the fact that Congress ordered and paid for it. Can you imagine congress today initiating a bill that they're gonna pay for a bunch of bibles? Oh, believe me. They'll pay for an abortion. They'll pay for someone to get circumcised in Africa. They'll they'll pay for, transgender Sesame Street in in The Middle East, but not a Bible.
Not a Bible. So when when you really look at the history of our nation, you gotta realize that there was an invisible war that was taking place, as there always has been. I mean, Ephesians chapter six. Right? And that invisible war as we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers and the rulers of darkness of this world and spiritual wickedness in high places. That's where the war was then. That's where the war is today. It's a fight against spiritual issues. You know, I'm a I'm a spiritual, I'm a I'm a I'm a political animal, and and I watch this stuff and and so on, and you know, I entertain thoughts about it, and you know, but political strategy is not gonna save America.
It's it's just absolutely not gonna do it. Unless there's a revival of spirituality, and a gained appreciation for the principles of the word of God, in the word of God, that were the foundation stones of this nation, there's nothing else that'll save this country. I am absolutely 100% convinced of it. So, so I guess, yeah, that's it. That's a a little bit about the first amendment and what precipitated it and what brought it about. And, you know, it it was, you know, and and actually the amendment itself, you know, of of course has more to say about freedom of speech, and freedom of press, and so on. But there was really no great argument about that. There really wasn't. You see, the great controversy didn't resolve, didn't revolve around speech unless it was religious speech.
You see, that's where the attack has always been, and that's where it always will be. Religious speech. Now, here's where it's coming to today. If if if the liberals continue to dominate the scene out there, and pretty soon if if you say anything in opposition or adversarial to, you know, all of these so called minorities, it's gonna be concluded to be hate speech. And hate speech will be punishable by prison, or or who knows what. You see that in Europe, in Great Britain, and everywhere. It's fines, imprisonment, you know, etcetera etcetera. I mean, that's that's that's where it's going. We have a little bit of a reprieve right now, but that's where it's going.
And, yeah, it's just a reversal of exactly what our founding fathers intended, but it's to be expected. Now, you know, I got into this conversation last week with with the guest on the show, and, you know, we we agreed to disagree on on a couple of things. I have these flags here behind me. I believe that that eventually, this this American union is going to break up. But that's not giving up on America, because, you know, America is not the states that make up this union. America is an idea, it's a concept. And I don't give up on that. I don't.
And but sometimes as far as the the the the country itself goes, I mean, you have a tendency to, you know, to wanna just, you know, throw your hands up and go dig yourself a cave somewhere in the side of a mountain, you know, you know, light your little wood stove, eat your can of tuna fish, and say, well, you know. You know what I mean? You you you get me, you understand. And, but you know the Lord has in his in his infinite mercy in the past, I'm not gonna say reverse things, but slowed things down. Way down in some cases, and the Lord can do that because he has done it.
You know, under the administration of Joe Biden. I paused because, you know, the auto pen. But under the administration of Joe Biden, you know, the thing was going about a thousand miles an hour to the left, the far left. Look, I I love Donald Trump. I think he's great. I think he's doing a great job. On the whole, I think there were some missteps, you know, missteps along the way. Of course, I mean, that's normal. That's, you know, you have to expect that. You know, it's not gonna be perfect a 100% of the time. And, you know, there's a there's a bunch of things swirling around right now that I don't think he handled properly, or it's or at least his people handle handle properly, especially around the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, and that's another subject for another day.
But, you know some people just wanna make Donald Trump the fourth member of the Trinity. I'm not willing to do that. I'm not willing to do that, but you know, the the the Lord, I'm convinced, did use him, did save his life last year in Pennsylvania to, you know, put the brakes on on some of the things, and slow some things down. I'm convinced of that. I I believe that. I I mean, it look folks, if there's ever a time where we need to have some breaks put on, it's now. Amen? It's now. So but it's God's people that have to be involved. Ted Cruz said, some time ago, and and I think he's right about this.
I wanna say this is maybe four or six, maybe six years ago. And they they done they've done some statistical assessments on on this, but but I think he's right. He said that there were approximately 50,000,000 evangelicals in this country that don't vote. 50,000,000. 50,000,000 can swing an election, any election. You see what I'm saying? That's why they threw the borders wide open, and allowed in 20 plus million people illegally. They could swing an election. You know, it it'd be, just a huge pain in the posterior backside, but, more Christians ought to be on the school boards in America.
You know, just giving liberals fits. More Christians ought to be on city and town councils, and and and and and in county governments. You know, more Christians need to be involved where there's actually a voice of opposition. But, you know, our tendency is, you know, just to, you know, throw our hands up and despair and say, you know, I'll give up. Well, you know, it's just I don't see reversing it. I don't see it changing anytime soon. It probably won't reverse, but no one no one is gonna fix it, short of Jesus Christ. You know, no one's gonna be able to fix it.
But sometimes, you know, if you study your old testament, and you study the kings, and and and and and even study clear back in in in the judges. You know, the the thing would speed up to the left, and then God, you know, God's people inevitably would get involved, and that's what it took. You know, there are no exceptions. It was God's people that cried out to the Lord. It was God's people that said, God, we need your help. We're repenting, returning to you. And the Lord said, okay. Let's put the brakes on this whole thing a little bit. You know, there there there's six thousand years of human history of that. Just study it.
It's undeniable that it's possible. It is possible. It is possible, but it's up to us. It's it's if but if we put our faith in a politician, you know, I I study these people. I look at them. I try to evaluate. I wait, you know, I I I evaluate, wait, you know, I try to analyze them the best that I can. But you know, ultimately folks, it it's it's that's not what your faith is. That's not where your faith is. Your faith is in Jesus Christ, and then God can, if he wants to, if he desires to, if he's willing to, he can pick a Donald Trump to help slow things down. He could do that.
He's done it before. All you gotta do is study some of the kings back in the old testament. You know, some of them came from very very unlikely situations and and and circumstances where, you know, where they came from, you know, very liberal fathers, grandfathers, and all of a sudden you get a conservative. That's what's happening today in this generation. You see, this generation coming up is coming up as a more conservative generation than a previous generations. There are more there are more of this generation coming up that are trending, and putting their faith back in in in God. Now, are they putting it all in in the right thing? No, not necessarily, but there's hope there.
But all of a sudden you you get you get a conservative out of all this, and how does that happen? You know, you get a guy that that that that has, you know, two or three generations behind him that are just pagan and liberal as as they can be, and then all of a sudden, you get this guy that pops up with no introduction to conservative thinking or biblical thinking whatsoever, and he becomes a real man of God. How does that happen? How does that happen? Just God. Just God. That's how it happens. And God gets involved in the equation, and and you have men like Hezekiah, and and and, Josiah, and Asa, and others in in your bible that represent that very scenario. So it's a fascinating thing, it it it really is.
You know, just just because a guy, and I know I'm on my soapbox here, I'm about to quit. But just but just because a guy professes Christianity, doesn't necessarily make him a good candidate. So so you know, we need to pray for America. We need to pray for candidates, pray for wisdom, pray for those that are in leadership positions, and that are that are our representatives. Pray for wisdom on the part of the people. I, you know, I have I have a lot of respect for president Trump. I don't agree with everything. I think he's made some missteps in this administration.
Every administration does. You will never ever ever find a perfect administration. I understand that. I get that. I like Donald Trump. I think he's pretty straight on. He doesn't mince words. He just says it the way it is. I believe that don't that God used Donald Trump to put the brakes on, you know, in in this in this term that he has now, just like he did in the previous term. I believe he's doing it again. You saw how far to the left we lurched after his, after, Donald Trump's first term. God's using them. God's using them. And, you look at JD Vance, you look at Mark Rubio, you look at Pete Hegseth, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, he put together a team that has spine, and that's a good thing, isn't it? That's a good thing.
I I believe that all the political persecutions that he's gone through, and his will to fight through them can be used by God, and is being used by God to revive America because the people are waking up. The people are waking up. It's resonating. And it's an interesting thing to watch. Folks, Pod Home is the most modern and easy to use podcast hosting platform. Use it to publish your episodes, enhance your audio, and automatically generate transcripts, chapters, titles, show notes, and more. You can even podcast live. You get your own website.
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Introduction and Show Overview
The Evolution of Rumble and Free Speech
Crypto Show Highlights and Investment Caution
America's Christian Heritage and Religious Freedom
The Role of Baptists in Early America
Jefferson's Virginia Statute for Religious Liberty
The First Amendment and Religious Freedom
Separation of Church and State Explained
The Importance of the Bible in Early America
Political Reflections and the Role of Faith
The Power of Prayer and Political Involvement
Show Announcements and Closing Remarks
