In this episode of The Joe Rooz Show, broadcasting from the heart of Eagle Pass, Texas, Joe kicks off the weekend with a lively discussion about the challenges and joys of podcasting. Despite feeling the fatigue of a long week, Joe expresses his excitement about connecting with his audience and introduces his guests for the evening.
The first guest, Kenny Dupar, a former US Army Corps of Engineer soldier, shares his experiences from Iraq and discusses his memoir, "Scoundrels in Iraq," and his romance novel, "Pin Ups and Gearheads." The conversation touches on the impact of COVID-19 on personal lives and the importance of storytelling in understanding the pandemic's effects.
In the second hour, Joe welcomes Dave Jackson, a podcasting veteran and founder of the School of Podcasting. Dave shares insights into the world of podcasting, discussing the importance of content over technology, the challenges of monetization, and the value of audience engagement. The episode is filled with practical advice for aspiring podcasters, emphasizing the need for discipline, understanding audience needs, and the benefits of live shows. Joe and Dave also discuss the evolution of podcasting, the role of video, and the importance of maintaining authenticity in content creation.
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(00:03:21) Introduction to the Joe Ruge Show
(00:03:42) Joe Ruge's Weekly Recap
(00:05:03) Upcoming Guests and Show Announcements
(00:06:06) Housekeeping and Listener Engagement
(00:07:58) Guest Introduction: Kenny Dupar
(00:11:13) Interview with Kenny Dupar: War Stories and Writing
(00:25:37) COVID-19 Discussion and Personal Experiences
(00:54:38) Reflections on Government and Society
(01:04:37) Guest Introduction: Dave Jackson
(01:13:16) Podcasting Insights with Dave Jackson
(01:48:54) Monetization Strategies and Equipment Talk
(02:05:22) Long Form Podcasting and Audience Engagement
- Wayne Rankin
- Rosanna Rankin
- Carolina Jimenez
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Transmitting live from the asylum studios deep in the bowels of Southwest Texas, it's the Joe Rooz Show. The show where we talk about anything and everything. Where nothing is sacred, nothing is watered down, and nothing is PC.
[00:03:43] Unknown:
Alrighty. Hey, folks. This is Joe Rooz. It is nineteen ten hours on Friday, 09/05/2025, and we are bringing you the best quality talk radio we could muster without all the bluster from the pimple on the backside of Texas, the beautiful city of Eagle Pass. And, folks, it is Friday. It is finally freaking Friday. Finally. Regular job, have been working since last week. Podcast since Sunday. So, we're tired. We are flipping tired here tonight, folks. But, hey, folk, it is but regardless of the fact, it is great to be with you guys. I I you know, as as tired as I get doing this, not so much the podcast, but just, life in general, the one thing I look forward to every day when we have show days is to be here with you guys and do the show. And, I appreciate everybody sticking with us through the course of the week. We had a packed week, man. We every single night, we had two guests every single night. Tonight is no different. And, we're gonna get into our guests here in just a few minutes. We have guest number one, Kenny Dupar, is waiting for us right now in the waiting room, so we'll bring him on in just a minute once we get through all of the housekeeping stuff that we normally do. And just wanna remind you, there's no show tomorrow.
We are doing a a, a test show, but it's not gonna be public, because we're switching our studio, and, and we're gonna check out all the new settings and make sure everything's running, and then we'll do a test show. And then Sunday Sunday at, 6PM, we'll do our Sunday show, and, we'll be hopefully, lord willing, we'll be using our new studio. And, when I say studio, I don't mean the physical plant. I'm talking about the new studio setup on the on the computer. So, so, hopefully, that'll work out really well. We're excited about that. Can't wait to get started with it. Been playing with it all week. And a little bit here, a little bit there. I think I got it down, so the first couple of shows might have a few little boo boos and glitches and whatnot. But, hey, that's okay. That's the joys of doing a live show. Right? Alright. Alright. So how about we get to some housekeeping here? This way we don't keep, Kenny waiting too long, because we do have two guests tonight. So first hour, again, we have Kenny DuBarr coming on, and then we also have in the second hour, we have the godfather of podcasting scheduled to come on, Dave Jackson, from the school of podcasting, which is huge. I've been I've been trying you know, I've been looking to meet this guy for a while. So this is gonna be really exciting. I'm I'm I'm looking forward to that as well. So, so we don't slow down on a Friday as you can tell. We we pack the show with quality quality guests for you. Alright, folks. So, housekeeping stuff. Let's get to that.
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That now that story I wanna hear. I know we chatted a little bit beforehand, but I wanna hear that story. Stealing a bulldozer, even promoting boxing matches in a combat zone. His romance novel, Pin Ups and Gearheads, pits lovers against COVID chaos. It celebrates pinup models and gearheads united by style and competition. His tales, his tales blend humor, grit, and empowerment, echoing general Patton's view that compared to war, all other human endeavors pale in significance. Ken proves that true stories of survival and desire aren't just survived. They're sculpted into inspiration.
One audacious tale at a time. Ken, if you're there, welcome to the show. Come on back on. I know you can do it. You did it before.
[00:11:23] Unknown:
I did it again.
[00:11:24] Unknown:
Look at you. You're a pro.
[00:11:27] Unknown:
Didn't know that there was gonna be something about the devil's lettuce going on in your, that's really good. I mean, those those hemp products, for pain relief Yes. And and and different things like that, I think that that it's, very much, worth pursuing. Absolutely. I moved to East Tennessee, and I heard that phrase again, the devil's lettuce. And, yeah. I I I won't go any further than that as far as my opinions on on on that as far as Totally fine. Totally fine.
[00:12:03] Unknown:
It's a I I have a, I have a I have a pinched nerve in my in my back, and I have, in in one of my discs. And I also have sciatic pain. So what I what I tend to do is I I use those, those, those gummies, the the, the delta eight gummies, and, it they help. They really do. You don't get high I mean I mean, if you wanna get high from it, you gotta, like, suck down the whole thing. But, you know, all the little gummies, but this stuff is it's so mild, and it it just really does help you get through the the the discomfort of whatever pain you're dealing with and helps you sleep too. That's usually when I would take it before I went to bed. And it's not something it's not addictive or anything like that. You're not popping them all day long. It's just something, like, I for me anyway, I take it when I when I feel like I need to because of the sciatic pain or the or the or the disc has given me problems and, you know, it helps. They really help. And they have a bunch of other products as well that you that, folks could try out. I mean, it's it's something new. This is a new new partner for us. I haven't tried out everything. But, but, from what I from what I'm gathering and from what I'm hearing from testimonials and people that do use their products, they're they're fantastic. So, so something definitely to Yeah. I think so too. To look into. So, so, Ken, before we, well, first of all, I need to hear about the bulldozer story. So we're we're gonna get into that one. Alright?
The stolen bulldozer. But, I but I like to always ask my guests, first and foremost, there are two questions, icebreaker questions that I love to ask. And, sometimes it throws people off, sometimes it don't. Let's see how let's see how you handle this, sir. What's something that most people don't know about you but should?
[00:13:40] Unknown:
That, that my, that my customer service attitude needs to improve. Explain. I can be ruthless, especially when I'm getting the runaround and you get the the AI agent and everything like that. When you finally talk to a human being, it's difficult for me to tone it down at that point. I get you. I I get like I get like that too. I I I cannot stand
[00:14:03] Unknown:
talking to the AI representatives. I can answer you can ask me full sentences and I can answer the question for you, and then you ask you ask the question and they're like, I don't quite have an answer for that.
[00:14:14] Unknown:
Yeah. And so then I become like the scary man. Right? Mhmm. And it's like, okay. So I'm a man, and when I get frustrated, I'm scary. Okay. I guess I'll just get take my emotions and just keep on just swallowing it. I don't know. I don't know. Stay away from customer service.
[00:14:33] Unknown:
Alright. Our second question. What's your go to beverage to help you unwind at the end of the day?
[00:14:40] Unknown:
I haven't been drinking very much. I'm from Milwaukee, so I have consumed enough beer to float the USS Wisconsin, the battleship. I mean, I've just so I've I've I've pared it down. But now, I believe that as an as an adult that you should be able to self medicate any way you want.
[00:15:01] Unknown:
I agree. I agree. I have toned down my drinking quite a bit. So, we were talking earlier. So so, after this long week that I've had and the amount of shows that I did, I decided, you know what? I'm gonna treat myself. I'm gonna get a little bottle of, some of my favorite bourbon, just have one drink, which I did. And, holy cow. I forgot how strong that stuff was. So, I might pass out. No. I'm kidding. I'm I'm fine. I'm good. I'm good. Very good. Quite good,
[00:15:36] Unknown:
actually. You said something about there was not gonna be any complaining going on? No complaints. We have been this is Friday. I was thinking we would talk about we would go down memory lane and talk about, COVID. Well, that's fine. There's nothing more than a giant complaint. So I I I suppose I
[00:15:52] Unknown:
No. That's fine. We can we can complain about that stuff. We we can, you know, we can do all that. That's great. When I say complaints, I mean, don't complain about the show. I don't wanna hear it because I know all the problems with the show, so I just don't you don't have to tell me. I I'm the biggest critic I have. Trust me. Like, I I have a monitor up here. I'm watching it, and I see how blurry my side of the screen is right now. It's driving me absolutely nuts. So which is one of the reasons why we're changing the studio that we use because the studio I'm using right now is a web based studio, and and, it's subject to the whims of the web. So, you know, sometimes you get a little little skitzy, sometimes you don't. So try something out tomorrow.
Test run. Test run. Good luck with you. Oh, thank you, sir. Thank you. So you so before the show, we talked a bit a little bit about, your second book. So why don't you give us some background on that, and then let's we'll get into that conversation, because that was a really good good, conversation we were having, and I I think it's an important one.
[00:16:44] Unknown:
Well, it it only took me fifty years, Joe, to write my first novel. Okay? And once that journey was pretty much over, I'm like, okay. Well, I gotta follow-up. So what am I gonna write about? What's the next thing? And I was going to car shows, and I saw pinups. And women all dolled up, like, the Novozart from, World War two and the pinup dolls from, the pinup calendars back in the fifties and and whatnot. And That's great. I didn't know it, but it was a thing. And I'm looking at this car show, and there's gear heads, and there's pinup dolls. And I'm like, I got an entire cast of characters here.
Mhmm. And so I started writing about the characters, writing about the cars, writing about how the the similarities between the pinups and the gear heads, it became a symbiotic relationship in which
[00:17:42] Unknown:
are you are you a a car guy? I I I appreciate cars. I'm not great with maintaining them, but I appreciate them.
[00:17:49] Unknown:
Yeah. I'm I'm a carpenter by trade, so all of my tools are in standard. I I don't have any metric. Nothing. Good. But guys will will build they'll have a build for for for a a vehicle. You know? And it takes time. It takes money. And there's competition involved when you enter these, shows. Right. You know? And the pin ups are doing the exact same thing. It takes money for their outfits and the time, and they're actually creating in a whole another persona. Mhmm. And they both need each other in that what does the car got what does the gear head want? He wants a beautiful girl, a model in front of his car, in front of his baby. Right. Everybody wants to take photos. What does the pinup want? She wants her picture taken. And what's better than getting your picture taken in front of a muscle car? So right away, it just becomes, like, peas and carrots. Mhmm. And as I'm writing the characters and and and and I get about a 150 pages in, and COVID hits.
And, of course, my life just crumbled because it's like, oh, no. You're not an essential worker. Mhmm. You know? I was working for a general contractor, and the way it worked in Seattle land where I was at is that you were nonessential. Open let me put it this way. You became an essential worker if you had a government contract to build something. But if you didn't, just stay at home, and they shut everything down. And I know it's painful to to to talk about, but going down memory lane and saying, oh, yeah. Okay. Well, yeah. I I lost my job. And then a couple months later, you know, after I was off quote, unquote furlough and I think Donald Trump sent me a check for a thousand dollars. That was nice. Mhmm. And,
[00:19:47] Unknown:
I think make up for all the money you lost. To get the jab. Yeah. But it doesn't quite make up for all the money that you lost, you know, waiting to to get back to work.
[00:19:56] Unknown:
Yeah. That's another story. Yeah. And, it was my life turned into, like, a a a country song. And you saw it all over the place where people, either you got the jab or you couldn't work or, like, one of the one of the characters I made her into a, a hairstylist. Do you remember maybe maybe I shouldn't be asking you this. But do you remember five years ago when you used to have haircuts, Joe? Yes. Yes. This is recent. This is Do you use the haircuts? Yes. I do.
[00:20:37] Unknown:
I'm sorry. I I I didn't mean No. No. It's fine. I this is volunteer. I I did this I I did this, like, two weeks ago.
[00:20:45] Unknown:
Well, what did people hoard? Toilet paper. Right. You couldn't get toilet paper. I it it there was a mountain of stupid everywhere that you looked. And reviving these memories, it it seems it seems odd, but the country still hasn't come to grips with what has occurred. Mhmm. And I think part of that has to do with, you know, telling your story about what occurred with you. I mean, how many I don't know what it was like in Texas. But in Washington state, it was rather draconian, you know. You had to wear your mask. You would be refused service. Mhmm. How many what was it like in Texas? It was similar. You're you're you're at Eagle Pass? Yes.
[00:21:33] Unknown:
Okay. So Eagle Eagle Pass is I I I call it the pimple on the backside of Texas. It's the furthest south the furthest south you can get in Texas before you hit Mexico. So, but, but here in Texas, you know, at the very beginning of it, you it was pretty much in lockstep with with the rest of the country was doing, but then our governor risk real pulled back a lot of the a lot of the requirements and restrictions and and such. So it was a little bit more open and a little bit more free. However, I work in I work in a nursing facility. So, in order for us to continue to receive, federal money through, like, the was it Medicare, Medicaid, whatever it is? I forget which one is which. You know, you had to you had to go in compliance with what the CDC recommended and, HHS recommended. And, of course, they wanted you to be fully masked up and gloved up and all that stuff. I mean, we used to wear the, at well, at the peak of it, when we had, we used to we had a a wing that we had isolated for residents that had contracted COVID.
And in order to go in and out of there, you had to go through donning and you had to go through a donning booth. So you went into this one little area. You scrub yourself up. You had to put on the marshmallow suit with the glass with the with the with the goggles, the face shield, the mask, the gloves, the booties, you know, all that stuff. And you went into the into that section of the building, and you you did what you needed to do, and then you had to go through the doffing section, which everything had to come off, and you had to scrub up again, clean yourself up before you went out back into, general population. I know it sounds like a prison, but it's, you know, kind of the same. But,
[00:23:06] Unknown:
Oh, I hate working in hospitals. Hospitals were just
[00:23:09] Unknown:
onerous as all as all get out. Yeah. And it was it was it was difficult, especially for for what I was doing, because I I work in, I work in, facility maintenance and life safety. So, you know, if I had if we had a clogged toilet, you know, down that particular hallway, I had to take twenty minutes to get all dressed up to go in there to plunge a toilet and walk out in five minutes and go through another ten minute procedure of of of changing clothes. You know? So it it got to be very, very, difficult and, annoying to say the least.
[00:23:39] Unknown:
Yeah. The the nursing facilities, the nursing homes, there was one in Seattle and in the city called Kirkland. A lot of a lot of Google out there. Like, it was a big several Google campuses in Kirkland. But there was an epicenter at a, I don't know. It was assisted living center, and the and people were presenting flu like symptoms. Mhmm. And COVID always presented as flu like symptoms. It was it was in the country for months, you know, and people were just being treated as if it was a normal flu. Because that's all it is. But that's because it's all yeah. Right. And so but they didn't have a protocol for people coming in and out of that place. Mhmm. And when they realized that they they were all of a sudden had turned into, you know, an infectious zone, then they started shutting things down.
And that's another really sad thing that happened with, you know, let's go visit grandma at the nursing home, and then you can wave to her through the window.
[00:24:47] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. We we had to go through that too. Awful, awful stories. And
[00:24:51] Unknown:
maybe that's because it's so damn awful to think about all the repercussions of policy, people just don't wanna think about it yet. I don't know. But for me, when I was halfway through a novel, I was writing through a love story. All of a sudden, like, oh my god. My life sucks so bad now. How am I gonna wrap this up? And I realized that COVID makes a perfect bad guy. Every story needs to have a bad guy. Mhmm. And there were there were some nasty characters in the book itself, but, how it would affect people, especially when you're losing your job, you know.
What happened to, you know, restaurants?
[00:25:36] Unknown:
Mhmm.
[00:25:38] Unknown:
Business is shutting down every once in a while. When they started the the lockdowns, I'm like, okay. Let's see them lock down the liquor stores. Let's see them locked down the pot shops. Which it is. Because I'm gonna riot. I I don't care what happens. I'm gonna I'm I I I need my beer. I need something. But they didn't shut those things down because why? Because the peasants would have revolted and sort of lightened shit on fire. And so that didn't happen. I used to say it's bread and circuses.
[00:26:13] Unknown:
Bread bread and circuses. And if if you if if you're listening, you're not familiar with bread and circuses is. That was the that was the the philosophy of the Roman Empire. You, you give you give the the the plebs, the great unwashed masses, bread and entertainment, and you keep them happy. And, and bread meaning food, obviously. So that's what they did, and that's exactly the direction that they went. They they kept all the methods of entertainment open, the strip clubs, the the, the bars, the, casinos, the, the the pot shops, the the, the the the liquor stores, all that stuff stayed open, but yet they shut down the churches.
Couldn't go into a church. Oh, yeah. Well,
[00:26:56] Unknown:
you're a man of faith. Right, Joe? Yes, sir. And and Christians are very compliant. Mhmm. Okay? We're we are taught that we work with the civil authority, and it's not it's it's important to, you know, bear your responsibilities within civil society and to obey the law. Romans chapter 14. Man's law. But, you know, churches was an easy target because they'd actually do what you told them to. And then a couple, I I think, six or nine months later, they open them back up. It's a butt. You gotta socially distance. The six feet, which came out of, like, nowhere. I mean, it was just enough that six feet rule was just another
[00:27:38] Unknown:
just another boulder on the mountain of stupid. Mhmm. Yeah. It was it was just an arbitrary decision that they made. There was nothing nothing scientific behind it. There was no evidence that that was effective in any way, shape, or form.
[00:27:50] Unknown:
And we're see and we're singing in church with a mask on. I'm thinking, you've you've actually muzzled the choir. My god. This is we must sound really bad.
[00:28:00] Unknown:
But, I could I I don't like doing remote church. I I I wanna I wanna go in, you know? Of course. Yeah. I mean, that and and, you know, churches today still are are still dealing with the repercussions of that, because a lot of people still haven't gone back to church. You really like my church, for example, the the one I the one I go to here, prior to prior to COVID, you know, the church house was full on a Sunday. There was barely barely sitting room when you got there. You know, now, I mean, you have whole rows, whole pews are empty where families would be sitting. They're not back. We got a lot of folks that never came back to church after this.
I mean, some people I'm sure use as an excuse not to go to church. Well, yeah, I don't have to go to church anymore. It's fine. But, you know, other people, I I don't know if it's out of fear or or whatnot, but they don't come back. They haven't come back. So church attendance has dropped significantly.
[00:28:58] Unknown:
Yeah. They used to call them super spreader events. Yes. And and we can go down a list of things that were just out just incredibly stupid. Like, if you wanted to go to the giant protest for Black Lives Matter or something like that in Seattle, that was no problem. Right. But holy holy holy smokes. I mean, if if there's gonna be more than, just a few people in a church building, no. No. No. No. Can't do that. That's right. But it was but there still seems to be, like, two camps where you have people who were like, this doesn't make any sense. Is it mRNA?
Is that really a vaccine? Why is it that when I go into a restaurant, I have to go in with the mask, I get seated, and all of a sudden, a bubble appears around my table, and everything is safe, and I could take my mask off. Because I did I need my bread and I need my circuses. Right? Yeah. The six feet thing, and it goes on and on. It's like, they've told us that we had to wear a mask at work. I'm doing construction. Mhmm. Okay. Fine. I go to the Home Depot. There's no dust mask there.
[00:30:09] Unknown:
It was n 95 mask. Is that what? That that that ended up becoming the protocol was the n ninety fives. Yeah.
[00:30:16] Unknown:
So, Joe, I I was so well, since they said, so you have to wear a mask. You have to wear something. You gotta wear a a baklava or something. So I went to my local grocery store and I bought women's underwear. And I cut them and I put elastic, and I was wearing panty mask. Because I'll tell you what, man. If if you want me to be be do stupid, I'm gonna be the king of stupid. I can I have no problems with that whatsoever? And, of course, I got some weird looks, but it's like, this is stupid. It's like it's like trying to stop a mosquito from going through a chain link fence.
Okay? This is a virus, and I'm wearing a dust mask from Home Depot. It's not doing anything, you know. But it makes you feel better. And so, you know, I I don't know why we haven't had this conversation in this country yet. Whereas, it's like people are still, wedded to belief that the government's gonna give you the straight poop. My my sister has has COVID again. She got as a dog. And I heard, you know, anecdotally, that people who the people who have gotten the vaccine and the boosters are more susceptible from to getting COVID Mhmm. Than than people who haven't.
[00:31:43] Unknown:
Yeah. They they they were talking they were talking about that at this, at this hearing, that, that, Bobby Kennedy went to, with the senate. And it it turns out that that the more boosters you get, the more open you are and more susceptible you are to getting this this really bad flu bug. Did you ever have it? Did you get it?
[00:32:05] Unknown:
In January 2020, I had a sore throat for about two weeks. Okay. I'm just I'm just that nasty. I that virus don't wanna live in me. I I don't know what it is. But, we get I never I don't get sick like that. So,
[00:32:21] Unknown:
I technically well, according according to what they say, I've had it three times. Okay? And, I'm not vaccinated. I'm I'm pure blood. You know, so Good for you. So I I refuse to get it, and I'll I'll tell that story in a second. But the, but I got it the first time. I got it in June '20. And, so that was, like, around the the beginnings of the whole thing, you know, the official beginnings of the whole thing. And, I I was sick. I mean, I I felt like I had a flu, you know? And at the time, my doctor, god bless him, he he, and this was of course before they banned all the stuff that actually worked.
He he he gave he gave me hydroxychloroquine, he gave me hydroxychloroquine, a steroid, antibiotic, and all the vitamins that you're supposed to take, you know, the vitamin d and all that stuff. And, honestly, I took the first two doses of the hydroxychloroquine, but because you're supposed I think it was if I remember right, you're supposed to take two on the first day and then one each day after. By the second day, by the by the by the by my second dose or third dose if you if you count it that way, man, I was fine. I was up. I was cleaning the house. I was doing dishes, washing clothes, you know, had had a little sniffle, had a little cough. I was fine.
You know? And then Right. And then the second time I got it, I didn't even know I had it. I I was I I went to go, I went up to New York to, to to see my sister. Our mom had passed away. And, so I went up for that, and, I got sick while I was up there and, you know, came back just fine and and called my job. I was like, hey. Listen. I'm gonna I'm back. I'm gonna be coming back to work, but, I do have a little bit of a sniffle, you know, and I understand that COVID was still running around up there in New York. And they were like, well, now you do a test before you come back and, you know, they will come by the come by the place. We'll do a test for you, which I did. And sure enough, tested positive. So I had to be out for another week. And then just recently, a couple weeks ago, had a sore throat, stuffy nose, COVID was running around my building at at at the job, and, so they made me take a test. So I took a test, came back positive, and, so I'm out for a week, but I had a cold. That's all it was. And the thing was, I I'm home, and all I did all week, I did every one of my shows. I was fine. It's, you know, I you know, that was it. It was no big deal. What got me though was the week after, I got a bug, like, a twenty four hour bug or something like that on on a Tuesday night, knocked me out from from Tuesday all the way through to Thursday, but I was negative. It wasn't COVID. It was just like a like a like a a bug or something that that just picked up. So it would it's so it's been it's been crazy. It's it's crazy. But everybody's, like, at the job right now, you know, everybody's running around with masks. Everybody's all, you know, wrapped up in gloves and all that stuff again. It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that proves that these masks work.
The the the, Precisely. The, the virus itself is smaller than what the mask can actually filter. So so it's gonna get through anyway. So it it's all it is is just to make you feel better. That's all it is. It's to make you think that you're doing something and also to gain your compliance. That's another issue. I don't know if you wanna go down that road.
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Well, it everything is germane because what we're talking about I think, like, when we start we start boiling it down, is it it's coercion, it's heavy handedness Yes. It's control. So yeah. You you you a little bit of, of of of the circus. You get a little bit of the bread. Right? Mhmm. In the meantime, they're controlling your movements. They were saying, hey. If you, if you leave the state, you come back, you have to quarantine for two weeks. Right. I remember that too. People. This is an airborne this is a airborne virus. It's everywhere.
Everyone's gonna be exposed to it. Right? But the the the whole narrative that was, created was full of false information. But the scariest thing to me, how how readily government officials were willing to just upset our lives. Shutting down schools for we were the only country in the world that shut down our schools. The only one. To detrimental effect. And, you know oh, absolutely. I mean, as far as, you know, stunting the social development of the kids. And the thing that just grates on me and just breaks my heart more than anything else, they wanted to close the schools. And I thought to myself, so you're gonna get every you want all the kids to have, like, a a laptop, and you want them to sit in front of a screen. I'm like, what about the special need kits?
Do you really think that these kids can actually sit in front of a monitor while you just half ass some sort of a a a an assignment? Mhmm. I mean, there there's there's no way, but no one mentioned it. No one mentioned it at all. And, man, I I could not get out of Washington State fast enough. Moved to Tennessee, my brother. So it's a free state. I'm not it's not like maybe the free straight state of Texas, but, so much more so much happier. But it's so what happens when it happens again? What are we gonna hoard? You know?
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I thought that was ridiculous too. Yeah. Everybody running out and getting toilet paper and and and what else? It was toilet paper and something else. Water, I think it was. Right? Water bottles.
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You couldn't buy haircutting scissors. Mhmm. You know? And then, of course, you're at you're at the grocery store, and everybody's handling everything. I mean, the virus was all over the place, and it was ridiculous. And, yes, it it gives the government a a, facade of doing the right thing, being in control. Our governor there kept on saying a million times, we're gonna follow the science. Well, how about the fact that children do not have any ill effects from this? They might be able to carry it like everybody else, but
[00:38:46] Unknown:
there's no danger. Kids could coulda could have gone to school. Well, how about the fact that there really was no science behind any of this stuff? The science that that that, that, that secretary Kennedy has has has recently been pointing out and bringing up was all negative. I I mean, not negative that it I mean, negative in the fact that it was bad for you. You should have known about these things. And the CDC under the previous leadership and the previous administration destroyed all that information. They suppressed that information. They kept it from the people. Right. So what science were you following? Do you know you know what I mean? What science were you really following?
There was no science behind it.
[00:39:28] Unknown:
It it was difficult for me in the book because I'm here I am writing a a a love story, if you would. And I have this cast of characters, pinna dolls and gear heads, and there's several different couples doing their thing. But all of a sudden, I'm like, wow, I gotta really take a heavy hand and I foreshadowed a lot of death. Well, not a lot of death, but I had it I had a touch I had a touch upon the subject where, you know, people's loved ones were go you know, people are going to the hospital. You couldn't see them. You know, my father died in December, '22.
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Mhmm.
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And he had all kinds of things wrong with him, but he had COVID when he passed away. And so automatically Yeah. Right? They can bill the government a lot more if you died of COVID as opposed to just having COVID. You could have been in a motorcycle wreck. And if you had COVID, you died of COVID because now you can, you know,
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they could charge three times as much to the federal gov I mean and so I know what you're saying. I I mean to interrupt you, but I know what you're saying because my dad my dad passed away at in December '22 also. And my dad, up until the day before he passed away, tested negative for COVID every COVID test they gave him until strangely enough after he died, he had COVID.
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Sure he did. Right. Exactly. Maybe he did.
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It's it's it's it was the biggest and why? Because the hospital was getting something like $40,000 per patient with COVID.
[00:41:08] Unknown:
Right. Follow the money. Right? Exactly. I was single at the time. So I'm writing this romance novel. I'm single. And they shut down the movie theaters. And as a man, it's like, for a hundred years, if I wanted to take a a girl out, dinner and a movie, standard. It that that is the default. If you got nothing else to that you can do, you go to a movie, and they shut down the movie houses. Mhmm. It's like what it it it was like bizarro world. Oh, the strip clubs world. It's like what we're gonna do. Go to a and and even in another thing and now I'm getting excited.
They were they were, encouraging people to narc on their, to narc on their neighbors and and whatnot. You know? Yeah. I remember that too. I I included that in the book because it just became draconian. It's like, are we really an East where, like, one out of every three people
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is an informant for the government? And the crazy thing is is how quickly and how easily people Yes. Complied with that.
[00:42:15] Unknown:
They loved it. Yeah. And I'm not I I I don't know what the explanation is. Is is it just they have power now or they think they're doing the right thing? Are are there people who are just, like, the government will never lie to me? Yeah. And they're just gonna stick to their guns?
[00:42:31] Unknown:
A lot of that a lot of that is people put blind faith in government thinking that government they have an altruistic view of government. They think government's in it for their best interest when government is not in it for for your best interest. Government could not care less about you as an individual. The only thing the government cares about you is how much money you're putting into the coffers through your taxes. That's all it is to them, is you are a number, Social Security number, and a tax revenue source. That's it. That's all you are. The government cares not about you.
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I I think Bobby Kennedy, is gonna be I I I wish him I wish him well. There's there there there's so many effed up things. He came out and said that, like, one out of every twenty boys have autism now. Yep. And he thinks it's from the vaccines. You know, there's, like, 70 different vaccines in the schedule. 78 vaccines
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by the time 78 vaccines by the time you're 18 years old.
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Right. And when we were growing up, you know, kids didn't have peanut allergies. No. Kids didn't, you know, I mean It was rare. Different things. It was very rare. Yeah. And and, you know, the all different kinds of, you know, truly, we are not a healthy country because of the way that our the medical establishment has been has been run. I mean, it's it's it's scary. It's it's it's it's very dicey. And so that ends up, being touched upon in the book. The book concludes in, June 2020. But it does show how it impacted parents, where all of a sudden you can't take your kid to the school, and and now what do you do?
You know? And, I don't even I don't even
[00:44:35] Unknown:
trust the casualty figures as far as how many people died. Well, you can't even say that. You can't you don't you nope. Like, senator senator Kennedy. Secretary Kennedy even said it at the at the hearing yesterday. He was grilled on that. He was castigated over it. How you as a HHS secretary, can can you say that you don't know how many people because all the data is corrupt. All the data is corrupted. So how can you possibly tell how many people died as a result of COVID directly, and how many people did because another question was, how many how many people were saved by the vaccine? Well, how can you know? You don't know. You can't know that. It's impossible. Why? Because all of the data has been corrupted. Anything negative was taken out and discarded and hidden and burned and thrown away and and never mentioned.
This is what he talked about at at the at at at the, at the hearing yesterday.
[00:45:28] Unknown:
I would bet that if you took a look at the number of people who died of heart disease for the last fifteen years. Right? That that number will be relatively stable or or some sort of cancer. Right? If you went back far enough, you could you could you could get a baseline of how many people are gonna die of, say, heart disease. Yes. I wanna see the data of how many people died of heart disease in 2020, '21, '22, '23, '24. I bet I'll bet you $50 right now that it that there was a dramatic decrease. There probably wasn't. Because it wasn't being counted like that because, and on and on it goes, and maybe we should just forget about the whole thing, like it never even happened.
Is that is there an element of that where we just it was too painful that we don't wanna
[00:46:22] Unknown:
think about it? There there are folks on the left that would love to have because I remember seeing articles being run out by some liberal rags talking about, you know, we need forgiveness. We all acted out of out of, you know, based on the available information, and and so we need to forgive one another for the things that were done and said during that period of time. No. No. You you were willing to to to and and and were were happy to to tell hospitals that if they don't have a if they don't have the vaccine, then just let them die in the hallway. Only treat people who are vaccinated.
You were you, you know, you pushed for that. You wanted that to happen. You know, you you you wanted to keep people who refused to get that clot shot any kind of a decent life. You wanted them locked down, locked up while you could go running around free. But in the meantime, you were the bigger spreader of this stupid thing in the first place.
[00:47:29] Unknown:
I've heard that rhetoric as well, where they're asking for forgiveness without first repenting of their sin. And there's there's a Right. The forgiveness formula. Right? Which, in other words, is as you forgive others. Right? But you have to admit that you did something wrong. You know? Otherwise, you're just money in the waters even more, and you don't wanna take personal responsibility. That's right. It's a great point. And, g, your policies were catastrophic to the country. You know, from from the origin story, onwards, it was just ridiculousness, and I hope we don't let it go as far as, you know, like, for example, the whole thing about where the how the virus was created, right, or how it how it how it came into being. Mhmm.
If it really came from a paraquen, whatever the hell that is in China, a bat or whatever it is, then show me a specimen of this animal with the virus.
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Which they can't because it's not where it came from. They they can't do it because it doesn't exist. That's right.
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And the whole thing was about the, the Chinese trying to develop a vaccine for, for, biological warfare. That's my belief. Because they didn't have a compunction as far as I mean, biological warfare goes is as old as warfare. You know? If you had people dying of the plague, you put them in a catapult and launch them over the damn wall. Yeah. I remember I remember reading about that stuff in history. Yeah. That Right. Right. Just just nasty. But, I mean, so that's what I that's what I think that they were doing, that they could they were trying to be able to inoculate their own troops so that if they invade some place, it's it's disgusting to think about, but why else are you doing it? Well, it's okay. Of I one of my chapters is called gain of function.
I threw that in there. I didn't want COVID to take over the novel. It it didn't do that, but I wanted to show how was it how it was impacting people's lives or the characters' lives and whatnot, and how it affected relationships and dating and I mean, this shit down car shows. It's outside. The car show is outside. Okay? And you're telling me that you can't go to a baseball game? You know?
[00:50:10] Unknown:
Do you remember that do you remember that ridiculous thing they did at the baseballs at the baseball games at the stadiums? They put cardboard cutouts of people in the stands to make it look like there were people that Yeah.
[00:50:20] Unknown:
Big heads. Right? Yeah. Oh, it was eerie as shit, man. That was yeah. And it just goes on and on and on, and it's like, what what does this mean? What does this mean? In other words, one catchphrase that people like to do, we gotta do we we we gotta work. We gotta find solutions so it never happens again. Everyone wants it to never happen again no matter what it is. Oh, the levers of power were so easily pulled. Mhmm. No resistance. I don't know.
[00:50:56] Unknown:
No resistance. And and they they even talk about it. They even said that there will be another pandemic. That that, like, they are certain that there's gonna be another pandemic. Sure. You know, they know it's coming because they're planning it. You know, whether it's during, this administration's, term or if it's the next administration coming in, you can be sure, especially if it's a Democrat coming in, because I think the Democrats are are are far more into the globalist agenda of depopulation and and and central control over every aspect, the the the the one world government, you know, the whole new world order thing. I think you have more of a chance of getting that with a Democrat right now than do anything on the on the conservative side of things, especially with the way the current administration is. And, you know, if if, the, the current vice president, JD Vance, runs and he he gets elected, you know, you might you'll have a reprieve for a little while, but, the groundwork is laid. It's there. They know how easy it is now to get people into compliance, you know, and, the systems are all in place. I know I I probably sound like a like a like a weird conspiracy theorist type of person, but it's just this is the truth. Oh, hell no. It's all there. You know, why do you think the truth. Why do you think they're pushing for CBDCs?
The central bank digital currencies. Why? Because if the government controls your money the way through like a digital currency, you have a digital wallet. There is no more cash. It's a cashless society. They can turn your they can turn your bank account on and off at will. You you commit the sin of wrong think, they can shut off your bank account. You can't buy. You can't sell. You can't do anything until you come into compliance with what the government says you have to be in compliance with. So, you know, all of those things were all floated, the vaccine passports, all of that stuff was all floated during COVID. It's there. The technology is there. They are pushing to do it. They're just they're just they just don't have a mechanism to drive it home.
That's why these things have stalled right now. But guarantee it, mark my words, they're they they will try it again, and, I'm hoping my hope is that people are more alert and more awake to the to the ideas, and and and and the tactics that are being used to to force this stuff on you, and we'll be able to resist. You know, one of the things I always told people during this whole pandemic thing was, you know, look, it's your choice. If you wanna get this, don't force it on me. If you wanna get the shot, go get the shot. I don't care. That's up to you. It's on you. My only thing is, do your research. Don't be the research.
[00:53:37] Unknown:
Yeah. It, if there's any one positive thing that happened throughout the whole thing, is it and from the characters in my book, they have to decide what is the most important thing. Right? Mhmm. When your back is up against a wall. Right? Travel restrictions, maybe you can't earn a living, maybe you gotta wait for the government to send you your check, you're just gonna sit in your house, And all this what is what where are your priorities Yeah. When it gets down to that? You know what I'm saying? Exactly. Hopefully, you've got a good basis. But I think what it might come down to is that the human pension to just want to control.
I wanna be in charge. I want you to be like a little marionette that I can just like a puppet on a on a on a on strings. And maybe I just hope that we can continue to have a conversation and talk about the, ramifications. You know? I had a a girlfriend who had a, her immune system was compromised.
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Mhmm.
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And so she took her dog and moved out suddenly because she needed to quarantine. And the lease was the lease was done. I lost my job. I was furloughed. I became a country song. I'm like, oh my god. I am I'm not a I'm not a I'm not a person who suffers from depression. I love the Lord. You know? And it's like, what else is gonna happen? Is my dick gonna fall off? What's gonna what's the next thing the bad thing that's gonna happen? And people were people were dying. I mean, how many, obviously, additional people succumb to the to the virus, but, like you said, the data is corrupted.
And you start feeling like a conspiracist, if I'm saying that correctly. So everything that the government is telling us is bullshit? Mhmm. I don't know.
[00:55:48] Unknown:
Yep. I I became a conspiracy factualist. That's what it is now. Yeah. Yeah. Because because every because you think about it, every conspiracy theory that that was floated during that whole period of time is now all being proven true.
[00:56:03] Unknown:
Yeah. And I and I think that I read something about how the CDC, those jokers, they came from the camp of vaccines. It's how you do it. And and they and they started by make developing the AIDS vaccines.
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Mhmm.
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And they wanted to do the same basic model through this pandemic, but they completely ignored the palliative things. In other words, how do you prevent it? You know? Maybe maybe you take some more vitamin d. Maybe you need to, you know, hydroxychloroquine
[00:56:45] Unknown:
has been an anti malarial drug for seventy five years. Mhmm. You know? It it's readily available, but no. No. No. No. No. You can't have the good stuff. No. Because it worked. That's why. No. We need to Because it worked? Because we no. We need you to test this. We need to make see if this works. So so you can't have the good stuff, ivermectin. No. That's horse medication. You can't do that, you know, but Right. Oh my gosh. I mean, brother, we can go on and on and on and on about this. Our next guest is, just checked in, so I'm we're gonna have to start to wrap this up here. So, No problem. So as we as we wrap this up, so what do what do you hope that the audience takes away from from this conversation that we had tonight?
[00:57:29] Unknown:
Continue the conversation. If we blow it off, right, if we do not hold people accountable for their policy decisions, It's just gonna make it that much easier for them to replicate this at at when there's another emergency. Mhmm. You know? They can't take away our freedom of speech or assembly or just to be able to make a living. But they sure as heck tried. And, although it's painful, we have to continue to to look at this and see what happens because we gotta we gotta get to the truth to it. Because it'll just be that much harder for people to snow us under the next time. And for those people who who I don't know.
But, anyway, the the the COVID wasn't what the novel was about. It it was a love story, and there was, there was romance, not too spicy, you know, nothing nothing, you know, that was good. Your your mom could read my book. Well, your mother passed away. My mother passed away too, during that time frame too. But, anyway.
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Alright. Well Thank you for having me. Hey. No problem. So where can the audience go to find out more about your work?
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Kennydupar.com. You can see, you can get, a free chapter either through the, through Audible. I also narrated the, both books. Or you can go to my YouTube channel, just Kenny Dupar, and see some of the ridiculousness
[00:59:09] Unknown:
that I do. I never told you about the bulldozer thing. No. You didn't. But our guest is I gotta get to the next guest. So Okay. Well, I'm sorry. I have a lot of fun. I'm on a hard one. I'm sorry. I wanted to hear this. Contact you. I'll have to drop you a line later. Okay? Yeah. You will. But, actually, what we'll do is we'll get you on the show again, and we'll, we'll we'll we'll get to other stuff other than the COVID stuff. And, we'll talk more about your book. We'll tell more of these great stories. And we there's so many more things. I had I had a whole bunch of questions for you, but, this was a great conversation. I really appreciate it. And, we'll have you on again.
[00:59:41] Unknown:
Thank you. It was a really
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cool way to spend a Friday night. I appreciate it. Thanks, brother. Have a great one. Alright, folks. Kenny DuParr. Make sure you check him out on his website, and, we will let's see. One of you got gotta go. So Kenny yeah. There you go. Alright. So these are the joys of live shows. Joys of doing a live show. So so again, folks, Kenny Dupar, so make sure you check him out on his website and, check out his book. Great conversation. We really enjoyed that. Well, jumping right into the fray is, our next guest. I really needed to go use the restrooms.
If you wanna take a break, I can, you know Yeah. Give me just give me a second. You can hang out there. It's gonna run to the restroom really quick. And, again, the the joys of live, man. Yes, sir. Get you. Absolutely. So, folks, this is The Joe Russo. It is a live show, weeknights, seven PM central time. Don't forget to like, subscribe, share it, and make sure you make sure you like it because that helps with the algorithm, gets it spread out a little bit, a little bit more than what we have been, and, we can, hopefully grow our audience. So we'll be back in just give me two minutes. I'll be right back. Alright. Actually, Dave, if you if you wanna take the helm for a few minutes here while I do this, I can turn the show over to you. I know you're experienced in podcasts, so I don't have anything to worry about.
[01:01:00] Unknown:
Sure. I'll I'll I'll I'll bust out the guitar, sing a couple songs. We'll be good. Alright. Sounds great. I'll be back in a second, folks. Thanks. That's always fun. Live shows are always a you never know what you're gonna get. And I do a live show every Saturday morning called Ask the Podcast Coach. And what's fun about that one is I am just crazy enough to have a link that people can click on and jump into the show. And so that's a lot of trust between me and my audience, and I've only had probably, I had one kid from Russia that kept showing up with no shirt on. This is back on a platform called Blab.
And I'd be like, yeah. We're not Blab. This is Ask the Podcast Coach. Do you have any podcasting questions? And, like, I don't understand why Blab. And I'm like, I'm I'm not your tech support. So I kept kicking him out, and he would just keep coming back in. And then I had one guy that, came on, and he wouldn't turn on his camera. That's always a sign that something some shenanigans are about to happen. And so, you know, I I bring him on and I let him in. Now I'll I'll tell you what happens when I do this now. But I bring him on, and I'm like, hey. You're on with Dave and Jim. You know, what's your podcasting question? And he turns on his camera and takes a huge hit out of a bong and blows it into his camera.
And I was like, okay. Well, thank you for your question. So now if I I you've done this enough to, like, I will, if somebody comes on and their cameras you know, you can tell very quickly. I we call it being baba buoyed for those of you that remember Howard Stern. And, so
[01:02:55] Unknown:
live is always fun. Loads of fun. Loads of fun. Yeah. And I'm glad I'm wearing pants today. So
[01:03:00] Unknown:
There you go. What was funny because I was like the when I turned the camera on, it's like, you're gonna go on. And I'm like, no. I think I'm still backstage. I didn't wanna interrupt your previous guest. And as soon as I did that, I was like, wasn't lying. I'm going on stage. I was like,
[01:03:14] Unknown:
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So that's some really good information out of that. He built the first membership site for aspiring podcasters, and then after losing his teaching job in 02/2014, he joined Libsyn, which which is one of the top podcast hosting companies that are on the market. Dave's podcast won best technology in 2017 and 02/2020. And in 02/2018, he joined the Academy of Podcasters Hall of Fame. He has a great book on the market right now called Profit from Your Podcast, which shares proven strategies to turn listeners into income. Dave empowers thousands to launch and grow podcasts. And, Dave, it is a true honor to have you on the show tonight. I have been wanting to talk to you for a long time, man.
[01:05:50] Unknown:
Well, Joe, thanks for having me. It's Yeah. You mentioned, Adam, we gonna we go back to the early or in fact, Adam was the reason I got into podcasting when I first heard about it, And I downloaded this software. It was called Juice, and it had a big picture of a lemon on it. And the the default m p three file that came with it, I clicked on it like, hey, everybody. This is Adam Curry from MTV. I was like, hey. I I know that dude. And that was enough to kinda get me involved, and, I was part of Mevio back in the day and pod show and, just saw him a couple weeks ago in Dallas. So Oh, yeah. He's a very tall man. So
[01:06:27] Unknown:
and a really good guy. Yeah. Actually, I emailed him when I started this podcast. I met him. I was doing a a Bible study podcast, actually, and it was mostly just, just audio because I had figured out I I really didn't wanna do video, but Yeah. That just seems to be the way everything's going, so I kinda jumped on that a little bit. But, I had reached out to him, when I started doing this podcast and and I because I'd like I said, I meant I spoke to him briefly with the other one. I invited him to come on the show, and he never answered. So I know he's crazy.
[01:07:00] Unknown:
I've been lucky enough to have him on my show once, and I forget what he would he had something to promote. But he's a hard guy. He's a busy guy, and everybody and their brother wants him on the show, but I got lucky one time. And I think the only reason that happened is because I had worked for him at at POD Show back in the day, so we kinda and we knew of each other, and we bump into each other in this Well, that makes sense. Yeah. So That makes sense. But So I have a couple of basic questions I always ask every guest when they come on the show. So,
[01:07:30] Unknown:
so the first one is, what is something about yourself that most people don't know but should?
[01:07:37] Unknown:
That's a good question. The is I'm an open book, so I think I always feel like everybody knows everything about I think the one that most people don't they don't believe it, but it's true, is that underneath this exterior of Dave Jackson, an introvert. Mhmm. And and I'm much I'm getting better at that, but I event last week in Cleveland. And I get my name badge and that whole nine yards, and I look over, and there are all these tables with people and stuff. And I literally picked the furthest chair away from everybody. And I I as I was sitting down, I pull out my laptop. I'm like, oh, look. You're you're doing that introverted thing again. And I was just like, alright. Now I just kinda mentally grabbed myself by the neck and, like, come on. You can go say hi to somebody. You know? Yeah. So, in fact, I I had a friend of mine that showed up later, and I I I'm kind of lucky enough that I've been doing this long enough that if I see a group of, I don't know, eight people, I'm probably gonna know one of those eight people. And so I said, hey. Have you ever met, you know, Lou Mangelo? And he's like, no. And I'm like, oh, come here. So I I wasn't thinking. I was helping out my friend. It wasn't let's go talk to people.
And so I go up and I'm like, hey. And I lose like, hey, Dave. What's going on? Like, hey. You guys know Shane? He's like, no. So I introduce everybody and that whole nine yards. He and he said, I thought you were an introvert. I'm like, I'm I'm pretending I'm not right now. I go, it's just something I I do. So
[01:09:08] Unknown:
Yeah. I I remember reading something, years ago about podcasters that that the most podcasters are actually introverts, and a lot of podcasters are actually very antisocial. But I guess I guess when the microphone's on and or cameras in front of them, it it it's like a different person that comes forward.
[01:09:26] Unknown:
Yeah. It it it's weird that on one hand, it's a great way to meet a lot of people without beating a lot of people. Mhmm. And it's once I get to know you, then I won't shut up. Okay. But it's that initial kinda like and I still I mean, I was a teacher for years, so I was, you know, made a living speaking in public. Mhmm. And but even though and I've done you know, I I I talk all the time. When I'm getting ready to go on a stage, like, at Podcast Movement, a couple weeks ago, my hands turn wider than they normally are and start to sweat. And I'm like, oh, it must be five minutes till. Yep. Okay. Well, this is normal. And then the minute I start, I'm fine. Yeah. It's it's crazy that I I get like that too. I I believe it or not, I've I've been doing I've been doing this kind of stuff
[01:10:11] Unknown:
since 02/2015, 02/2016. Before I really knew what podcasting was or podcasting was like a, I guess, popular name or term being used at the time, I did what they called Internet radio. And, I did that back I was I I'm I'm from New York originally. I'm I'm transplanted here in Texas for about ten years now. But, I was I was up in New York, still living in New York, and, me and two of my friends decided we were gonna do this Internet radio show. One of the guys that we we worked with, his name is Joe also. He, he he had a professional broadcast studio in his basement, and he hosted a number of different shows. They would come through. They would rent time from him for the studio, and, you know, they have full access to everything.
And, he he let us use the studio as long as we let him on the show, and he wouldn't charge us. So There you go. So it was great because because it worked out. See, I I I was the more serious conservative voice of the show, and my friend Jay was the more, liberal voice of the show. And then there was the other Joe who we used to call him the voice of God because, you know, he just we would Jay and I would be arguing, and then all of a sudden out of nowhere, you hear this voice come, you know, and it would just kinda, like, quiet the whole room. And, and he was the he was the more libertarian voice, so we had a good good range. Good mix. But we didn't but we didn't, like, focus on politics, like, as a serious discussion. It was we we spent more time making fun of politicians and making fun of political things than actually, like, doing analysis and breaking it all down. And, you know, we had a lot of fun. And, probably one of the best compliments that we had during that time was that, somebody had said that when they listen to us, they feel like they're hanging out in the backyard, you know, with a bunch of the guys having a beer just talking about bullshit.
And, you know, to me, that's exactly what I wanted. You know, that was my vision for that. Yeah. Fast forward now, moved here. Technology really wasn't that great at the time like it is now, or at at least at the level it is now where you could do remote, shows like this. So we ended up, you know, pulling the plug on it because I moved down here, and then they didn't continue on with it. I tried doing it by myself, for a little bit, but it just wasn't the same. I just didn't, you know, didn't like doing it. I don't Yeah. I don't really like recording shows because for myself, I I know myself well enough that I know I get lazy with recording.
I know that if I have a live show scheduled, I have to be prepared. I have to be ready to go. I can't I, you know, I can't say, well, I'll do it later. I don't have time right now. I you know, whatever. I have to be ready to go, so it's like a discipline thing for me. And, you know, I I know I don't have a big following on the on the video right now. I don't have, like, tens of people watching at the moment, but, you know, I don't really that doesn't bother me. You know? I I enjoy what I'm doing, and I look I look forward to doing this every day. I look forward to connecting with the people that I've connected with, and, you know, going forward. One of the things that I I picked up from your website, and listened to a couple of shows that you've been on, talking about, you know, understanding the reasons why you're doing your podcast.
And, you know, you know, unfortunately for me, some of the reasons that you gave that you shouldn't be doing it is some of the reasons that I have is that, you know, eventually, I would like to be successful enough to where I can focus on doing this, but it's not for I mean, I would love it to be, like, the source of income for me to do because I love doing it. I just love interacting with folks. I love just expressing ideas. Like, when this show started, I had no intention of it being like this whatsoever. When I started this show back in November, it was, I'll do it once in a while. I was taking a break from the Bible study podcast because I ran into what I call preacher's block. I couldn't come up with anything fresh and new, and I didn't wanna recycle stuff. And so, took a break from that, and I said, well, with this one, I'm just gonna do it once in a while. I'll, you know, whenever I get an itch to do something, I'll I'll throw something together. I'll record this. I don't wanna do that, but I'll record it. And then somehow, someway, it became, well, from whenever to well, at least one day a week, and then it became two days a week, and then it became three, and so on and so forth. And now I'm doing six shows a week.
And, tired.
[01:14:37] Unknown:
Well, that's it. And anytime I hear somebody go, oh, I'm gonna start a daily show, in my head, I'm going, you're probably, because when you do daily, daily turns into three times a week, turns into two times a week Yeah. To week, sometimes turns into twice a month. And I always say that the best thing to do, if you're starting out, you can there are free tools like Toggle, t o g g l, clockify.me. You know, you use your phone. But as you're doing your research, when you're recording the interview, time it. When you're editing the interview, time it. When you Right. Notes. Time. And then, basically, you get done and you're like, wow. That, you know, forty five minute pass took me fourteen hours. And then ask yourself, do you have fourteen hours a week to do a podcast?
Mhmm. No. And I'm like, well, then either the show's gonna get shorter or you're going twice a week, whatever it is because that's the the the problem I see is people try their life into their podcast. That is backwards. Your life is more important. So figure out what your life is and then go, well, can I do once a week if it's, you know, eight hours or whatever? And then you fit your podcast into your life. But when you try to do the opposite and you put your podcast first, seven episodes later, you're down crispy, and your wife's ready to leave you, and the kids don't recognize you anymore, and you're
[01:15:57] Unknown:
work. Yeah. I I could understand that. Thank god. That's why I'm I'm in a lot of ways, I'm I'm thankful that I'm single. You know?
[01:16:06] Unknown:
That's you and me both. It's like we just go, well, how do you do this all the time? I go, real simple. I go, sounds like a joke, but it's the truth. No wife, no kids, no pets. Yeah. I go, you know, I feel like Cartman. I do what I want. You know?
[01:16:20] Unknown:
Well, I have pets, so they're they're in another room. They're they're my babes. And, Yeah. But, but the other the other part of it is too is a lot of people don't consider is the fact that you, you know, if I'm doing the podcast, you know, I do have another job. And, you know, I do a forty hour a week job. I I work in health care. I I I'm the I'm a director for facility maintenance and life safety at a nursing home. So I'm on call twenty four seven. It is incredibly frustrating when I'm in the middle of doing a show and I see my work phone beeping and vibrating that there's something going on. It's like, but, but, you know, it it does take a lot of time. And usually what I do is is and, again, I don't know how it happens, but, you know, the my lunch hour is when I do my show prep.
That's it. You know? It it takes me an hour. I go through everything. Now I've been fortunate or blessed out of however you wanna look at it that the last well, since August September yeah. Since since no. I'm sorry. Since June. The June all the way through till now, I've really only had guests. I haven't had to actually do, a show prep like, like, pull up news articles, clips, and audio, and video, and all that stuff. Yeah. And I have a I have a great I have a great help. I I have a I have a lady who helps me. Her name is Angela. She's, I call her anonymous Angela. There's a reason for that. It's a long story. But anonymous Angela, she I I call her she's my producer, basically.
And, you know, she she's a big help to me. She helps me get background on on guests. She helps me formulate, questions, and she helps me format everything. Takes a huge amount of time, but not everybody has that. Right. You know, a lot of people that you have to do it by yourself, and it's it's it's stressful.
[01:18:06] Unknown:
Well, when I was married, we sat down one time and said, like, what do you need? And I how about Tuesday night after dinner, Thursday night after dinner, and Sunday till noon? And I go, and then the rest of the time, I'm yours. And she and I really expect her to push back because she she was not a fan of podcasting. And she went, okay. And I was like, okay. And she cool. I can do that. And so what I would do is, I too had a day job. So I would be, you know, on my lunch, whatever it was. I use an app now called note Notejoy. Back then, I was using Evernote, but I had it everywhere. You know, do it on a any computer. I could get to it on my phone or tablet or whatever. So I was doing my thoughts. And so then on Tuesday and Thursday and Saturday, I would come in. I would turn off, you know, no YouTube, no Facebook, no social media, head down, focused. Let's record. Let's edit. And and then I was amazed at how efficient I could be when I had to, which is funny now because I record my stuff on Sundays.
I'll get home from shirt, and I've got from, you know, 01:00 to midnight to get this done. And there are publishing it at 11:45 because I had this much time, and that's how much time I took. If I really need you know, if there was a birthday party I had to get to or something that was family or a I can do that same job that it just took me eight hours to do, I can do in three because I have to. So that's just a discipline that you know? And sometimes there I'm like, hey. You know what? I don't feel like putting my head down and just pushing on through. I'm gonna take my time with this today. So Yeah. But you you can do a lot of times, sir, I'm amazed that, you know, I don't watch I never watch live TV. In fact, last night, I caught myself watching a live football game. I'm like, why are you watching this live? Gonna sit through, you know, commercials now, and I can know, I don't really have a dog in that hunt anyway.
And so I, you know and what am I missing? Reruns of Friends that I've already seen six times, Seinfeld and Housewives of Poughkeepsie. You know? You can watch Seinfeld over and over and over again and still get a good laugh out of it. Yeah. So it's, it takes a little practice and discipline and you know? But that for me if I'm if I'm at, I don't know, Walmart, and there's a big line and there's no lines open, I'm like, alright. I'm open to my phone, and I'm open up Notejoy
[01:20:33] Unknown:
and jotting down thoughts and organizing, and this is what I'm gonna do when I get in front of a microphone. Yeah. I do something similar to that. Like, throughout the course of the day, I'm I'm I'm listening to other podcasts, like, because, like, originally, I wanted to do news commentary and and opinion and stuff like that. So I'm listening to all that stuff, also because, you know, sometimes guests don't show up. You know, you book and, and, you know, I'm doing a live show, so it's not like you know, once I start the stream, I'm not gonna sit I don't wanna sit there looking like a fool. Right. So, so I I do show prep. I I'll I'll get I'll have articles. I have stuff all lined up on the other side of my screen right now just in case either yourself or or our first guest wasn't able to show up. I have had something to fall back into.
But I do the same thing. I'm, you know, I'm listening to stuff, and I'm getting ideas. I'm getting thoughts. Alright. Well, I have to check I'll make a note for myself on my phone. Alright. I have to check this article out. I have to download this. I have to read this and, you know, try to get that clip and get that clip and and whatnot. It's it's a process. It's a it's a lot of work. It's it's a lot more work than what I think what a lot of people think that there is.
[01:21:38] Unknown:
Yeah. I know I do a live show on Saturday called Ask the Podcast Coach, and every day, I'm going to Reddit. And the problem is really any form. I don't wanna pick on Reddit, but Reddit or Facebook, it's the same six questions. It's, you know, how do I start? What's the best microphone? What's the best host? How do I grow this thing, and how do I make money? Those are the every week, everybody's asking that. So I can't do another episode where we, you know, nail those six questions. So it's looking for something different. And I'm the same way. Now I I have, I feel, the best chat room, like, on well, not on the Internet because that would be no agenda. But, anyway Yes. It's one of the square where Great show. Really we have, like, 30 people show up every Saturday. They say we are the new, you know, Saturday morning cartoons. And a lot of times, they'll just feed us questions.
But I'm always, you know, ready in the event that nobody shows up. That, okay. I can cover these six questions. I've got a cohost, and we can kinda banner back and forth, and and we're good to go because I never assume people are gonna show up. So it's it's tricky, and that's the part that you you talked about the discipline and being ready. So it's Saturday morning. I would love to sleep in. Mhmm. But, you know, I get up at eight and start doing show prep about nine, and we go live at 10:30. And it's like, okay. It's, there's a a movie about Saturday Night Live,
[01:22:56] Unknown:
and they said, we don't start because we're ready. We start because it's 11:30. Like, this is the goodest it's gonna get. Yeah. And that's that makes that's makes a ton of sense, especially if you're doing a live show. You know? Yeah. You you got it. You it's time to go. Whether you're ready or not, you gotta you gotta do it. And nothing beats live because the thing I love about it
[01:23:15] Unknown:
is I'm getting instant feedback from listeners. And so I can throw a question out to them, and they'll, you know, answer thirty seconds later in a chat. Because the numbers of downloads, like, you know, quadruple the people that show up live. Yeah. But a lot of times, what I will do is I will get feedback from, you know, the live audience, And I go, and I'll I'll give my off the cuff answer to that. But later, I'll be like, you know what? I'm gonna go back and revisit that question, and I'm gonna use it over on the school of podcasting show, kinda put it back in the oven, let it bake a little bit. And, like, okay. I didn't really think about it this way or that way. So I get a lot of great ideas from that live show that I then use later on another show. Yeah. That's that's a great idea, actually. See, my my my trouble is and I'm seeing this. I'm gonna start picking your brain as as as the school of podcasting professor here. See, my thing is, like, my audio downloads are are really good.
[01:24:11] Unknown:
I do really well with the audio stuff. My video stuff is not so great right now.
[01:24:15] Unknown:
That's probably normal. See, we there's a really big company called YouTube with a really big budget and a really big megaphone, And they're telling everyone, you have to be on video. You're an idiot if you're not doing video. Video is the future. It's here. Well, who's saying that? YouTube. Okay. Well, why are they saying that? Because there's this little company called TikTok that started biting a pretty big chunk of their lunch. And they're like, hey. We, we gotta do something about this TikTok thing. We gotta get people talking about YouTube. And so I picture, like, a big, you know, office, you know, meeting. Like, what are we gonna do? And they're like, Larry, what do you got? Larry's like, I don't know. Podcasting's hot.
Brilliant, Larry. Okay. That's it. All the YouTubers, we're gonna tell them they're podcasters. And then somebody said, wait. Are we gonna give them an RSS feed? And they're like, no. We're YouTube. We can't do that. Mhmm. But they told everybody they're a podcast, and I love the fact now that they'll have headlines. Like, video podcasts, better known as YouTubers Mhmm. Are taking off on YouTube. And I'm like, wait. So you're you're saying YouTubers are doing great on YouTube. I'm like, wait. What? So it's, but Bill Maher, when I worked at Libsyn, launched Club Random, and Bill only wanted to do video. And we're like, Bill, you should probably do audio because, like, it's audio. And he's like, no. I don't wanna. We finally talk him into it. He launches the show, hires a PR agency to only promote the video.
And so a couple months later, we look at the stats. Audio outperformed the video 15 to one. And you're like, wait. How is that? Because I can't watch your video in the car. I can't watch your video while I'm walking the dog or washing the dishes. Right. But audio is a great thing to do while your eyes are busy. So there's there's just more opportunities to listen. So I always tell people, because I I have people, like, oh, I wanna start a podcast, and they'll tell me their idea. And I'm like, that's brilliant. Let's go. And they're like, oh, I don't wanna do video. And I'm like, you don't have to do video. And they'll go, no. Everybody says you have to do video. Go, everybody's name is YouTube. And, of course, they're saying that. That makes sense to them. They wanna run ads against your stuff. I go, but start off with audio. If you only wanna do audio, then add video down the road. But, you know, you don't have to be camera ready. You didn't have to you don't have to wear pants, you know, if you're just doing audio only. And so it's, I I I have a YouTube channel. I'm not as consistent as I should be on there.
And I just love the fact that I can fire up a microphone and not shave and go to town and you know? So it's it's I always say there's the main stage at Coachella, and then there's the side stages, and YouTube is a side stage. It's not you're not gonna grow your main audience, but you're growing an additional audience. People that because some people like to, you know, watch. Some people like to listen. Some people like to read. That's why I write blogs. So you're you're kinda meeting different audiences that like the same topic. They just want it in a different format.
[01:27:02] Unknown:
Yeah. That makes a lot of sense too. I like, I have a I have a YouTube channel. I don't I I hardly ever put anything on a YouTube channel only because, when I was doing it more consistently, I did a show with, my one of my sponsors, Ezra Healing, and, they didn't like that we were discussing alternative treatments for cancer, and so they they gave me a strike and removed my content. Mhmm. Yeah. Well, welcome to YouTube. Yeah. Exactly. So, so I I stopped sending stuff to YouTube. I just cut it off. The funniest thing was is that all of a sudden, I stopped doing that. Now I'm getting followers on YouTube. Interesting. Yeah. It it's it's very, very strange. Like, I I think I went from from 15 to 30 something in the last week.
[01:27:49] Unknown:
Yeah. And I I know everybody goes, but, Dave, the algorithm. They have the algorithm over there, and they do. And I go, what's the algorithm again? It's like, well, it's Google, so they know everything about you, and then they recommend things you like. And I go, oh, I have one of those. They're like, what? I go, yeah. I have an algorithm. His name is Doug. He's been my older brother my entire life. And I go and he he knows me really well and recommends things. And when he recommends something, like, it's always a good recommendation. I go, so just do something that inspires your audience to recommend it to their friends, and that is easier said than done.
[01:28:24] Unknown:
Yeah. Very, very true. Very, very true to that. I, I'm like I said, I'm really happy with my numbers on the down on the audio side. Yeah. Great. I would like to see the the video stuff pick up a little bit because I invested a lot of money in it. So so yeah.
[01:28:38] Unknown:
Well, that's the other thing. When I hear these people, you know, you can start a audio podcast with an $80 microphone and a $20 media host. Or what was, what's, podhome.fm? What? $15, I think you said. $15.50 99 a month. Yeah. So it's it's nothing that's gonna break the bank, but I see these people on Reddit. They're asking how to asking. They're doing a three camera shoot and, you know, lights and a switcher, and you're like, you're only gonna $2. You know? And then if you then they wanna go out and buy, you know, DSLR cameras. And I'm like, oh, you know? And then you find out a month later that this isn't for you. I'm like, you could've started with audio and an iPhone. You know what I mean? It's like
[01:29:15] Unknown:
I I love into the deep end. I love audio podcasts. I do. I I love that. That's I listen to them a lot. Like, again, especially like you said, you know, I you can't always watch. You know? So Right. So I I a lot of the shows that I that I do follow on the video side also have audio an audio version of the show. And when I'm at work, you know, and I'm and I'm in a place where I can, I, you know, pop in a headphone and an earbud, and I and I listen as I'm going through stuff? But I I like the idea of the audio. I've always always did it. Like, when we were doing the Internet radio stuff, I'd love the idea of just radio, that style. So with my show, I don't know if you had a chance to check out any of the episodes that I've done. It's it's very much in the radio style.
[01:29:59] Unknown:
Yep. I heard that. So,
[01:30:01] Unknown:
which I I like that. That's my thing. It's like I sometimes I think a lot of these video casts are are just so sterile. They're just, you know, quick, sharp, you know, everything is bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and well and well produced. I'm a one man show here. You know? I'm I'm running the board. I'm, like, I'm sure like you too. You know? I'm running the boards. I'm running the the the feeds. I'm checking all the stuff out. You know? It's
[01:30:25] Unknown:
Yeah. Saturday morning, it it's one of those where I'm like, I'm kinda glad I'm ADD because I'm I got my thumb on the stream deck as I'm reading the chat, trying to make sure that I got my note joy up so I question. Meanwhile, I'm listening to my my cohost. Mhmm. And what's funny, both admitted that there are times when we are so distracted on what's gonna happen next. The his name's Jim Collison. I'll be like, what do you think, mister Collison? And he'll go, what was it you're like, he's just, what was what was the question? What what? You know? So it's, it's tricky. And, but, yeah, I mean, I grew up I I'm in, Akron, Ohio. I grew up listening to, WMMS in Cleveland.
And in the seventies, I mean, they discovered Springsteen and Rush, and it was a great station. And Yeah. Kid Leo and Denny Sanders, you knew the the DJs. And you knew, like, some DJs played more this kind of rock and others played this kind of rock because back then, you could pick the stuff. It wasn't all corporate. And so I think anybody with that. I mean, when I first started doing the live show, I had this enormous mixer so I could because I had to do back then well, you still do it. It just technology does it for you now, but there's this thing called mix minus. So I had to have one because I had a, I had two computers where people could actually call in a number because I wanted to be Phil Donahue. Okay. And, so I had this thing. So I'd have one mix that went to my cohost that had everybody but him, and then I had another mix that went to the caller that had everybody but the caller. Otherwise, it's just this echo nightmare. And I had it all set up, and we get maybe two callers a month because we were doing it streaming live to YouTube or whatever platform, and that's when I discovered my audience wants to put their question in via chat. Yeah. And it didn't matter. I had jingles. You know? Just call this number. Beep beep beep beep beep beep. You know? And it was, you know, one of those things that wasn't gonna break the bank, but it was probably $20 a month for the phone number and the this and the the board was taking up half my desk. And I was like, you know, the audience wants to ask their questions via chat. I still have a a link. If you wanna jump into the video, you can. But it's 10:30 in the morning on a Saturday. Who's right who's camera ready at 10:30 in the morning on a Saturday?
[01:32:41] Unknown:
Not many people. No. No. Yeah. So it's, you you kinda and these are the things the only way you learn them is by doing it. You know? And you sell you sell the board on eBay and, you know, like, alright. Well, that didn't work, but at least I can say I tried it. Yeah. When we we did the radio we did the Internet radio show back in New York, we had a a call in number. And, you know, we would get and we only did the show one night a week. It was a it was a two hour show on a Wednesday night, and, we had a core group of folks that would listen. And then we were also simultaneously streaming on, like, two other networks, Internet radio networks. So we got some crossover from that. But well, we used to take phone calls. And if if we if we got two calls a night, it was it was lucky. And Yeah. Nine out of 10 times, it was one of our friends, you know, listening while he's drinking and, you know, he's hammered.
You know, so
[01:33:31] Unknown:
That's the best. Yeah. Yeah. No. They're great. And and now because I use a Roadcaster, and now they have this two new technology where you can have people call in via either you you can put a QR code on the screen and Yeah. They can join that way or there's a couple other different but it's funny because I'm you're back to the same old radio things because you've heard a live radio show where they go, please turn down your speakers. Mhmm. Please turn down your speakers. And it's the same thing now. They'll they'll be on YouTube, and I'll be like, hey. You're on with Dave and Jim, and there's just silence until you hear my voice come out of their speakers about twenty seconds later saying, hey. And then they'll answer, and I'm like so now I'm the guy like, hey. Can you please mute the YouTube tab on your browser? Can you please you know? And I'm like, well, you know, we've gone full circle now. But and even that, it's it's a novelty thing. We had a couple people when we first announced it, but they're back to I wanna put the questions in the chat. I'm like, well, it's it's at least I'm getting, you know, some interaction. It'd be it's it's really no fun. The early days of the live show, it was like me just talking to nobody, and that's, that's a whole other skill. Well, that's that's kinda kinda what I do. Yeah. You know? If I don't have a guest, that's what I'm doing. Because, I mean, I get some interaction,
[01:34:47] Unknown:
with some of the some of the listeners, and the viewers. I get more, like, on the specialty shows that I do. Like, on on a Tuesday, I I I do a a show just me and the CEO of Ezra Healing, my sponsor, one of my sponsors. And, so I get a lot of people that jump in on that. And then, every every other Saturday, I do a show with, I have I call her my my resident crypto psychic. So, she comes on, and she has a huge following on other show social media platforms. So a lot of her folks follow her to our show. So, like, we get some more interactions there and and, obviously, the downloads are much more. So but but during a regular show like this, I mean, I'm I'm looking at the live chat right now. There's nothing.
There's nothing in there. And what also kinda cracks me up too is when you look at some of these things, like, like, I have, two two hundred and sixty plus, followers on Rumble right now Mhmm. Which is great because I I jumped significantly over the last couple weeks. Yeah. But I only have 11 people watching right now.
[01:35:55] Unknown:
You know? Well, that's about right. Let's let's do the math. It's always fun to do math live. So if I take Go right ahead. 11 and divide that by you said how many? 260? Two seven two sixty nine. See, that's we'll just call it two seventy to make it easy. Mhmm. That is 4%, and that's about normal. When I, wrote my book on podcast monetization, it kept coming up was 3%. Mhmm. And when I I lucked out, I got to go to the one of those tiny concerts when I when they had podcast movement in DC, ended up going to NPR headquarters, which was kinda wild. And I forget some short little country singer, but that was wild. But at the end, you kinda walk out to this outdoor patio thing they have. And I just happen to be sitting down to the guy that does the NPR plus program, so that's kind of their Patreon.
And I said, I'm not trying to get in your wallet. Like, percentage wise, what percent of your audience is is taking action? A little over 1%. And when I talk to the people at Teachable, which is a really popular they said 2%. The people I talked to in my book are 3%. Those were like, if I could get half my audience to give me $5, you're like, you're not getting 50%. Yeah. I don't know. It's a stat I hate, but it's just it is what it is, you know. So,
[01:37:17] Unknown:
it's hard when And I'm still working out talking about monetization. I'm still working out how how to do this in a in a in a better way. Like, I have I have I have two spot two official sponsors. I have Podholme and Ezra Healing. Both of them contribute. And then I have, well, I started I copied what, what they did, over on no agenda with the producers. So I have I have associate producer, producer, and executive producer in different tiers, and it's not, it's not a lot. That's like for a producer, it's it's $17.76 a month, for for a a a that's the associate producer. For a producer, it's $18.36.
So you got US Independence, and you have Texas independence. And then, see, I never told anybody why I picked that +1 836 number. So I just I just gave it up. There you go. And then, The secret is out. There it is. And then and then the, executive producers is is $25 a month and up. And, you know, I get they get shout outs on every show. They're included in all show notes. Anything that I send out from the show has all of them in there. Why? Because their donations are helping me produce this thing, so they're my producers. So, and then, I I also try to follow the value for value model. You know, your time, your talent, your treasure. Right. And that's anonymous Angela. She she donates her time and her talent. She's incredibly helpful. So, so it's it it works out well, but I still I I I don't I don't know if I should continue on with doing stuff like that and promoting that or invest in finding investing time to find additional sponsors or putting stuff behind paywalls. I don't like paywalls. You know, I think my sense is that that I think people are starting to get a little bit of a subscription fatigue.
Yeah. You know? Because everything is a subscription now. You you there's nothing that you can really do beyond, you know, the the most basic simple things without having a subscription to something. And, you know, as as as nice as the economy is turning around, it's still not turning around fast enough where people have that disposable income. They can Yeah. Keep subscribing to things. So, like, I I'm not sure what what to do next. You know?
[01:39:28] Unknown:
Yeah. I I think because advertising rates are going down, the the programmatic stuff. So if you wanna make 0.005¢ a download, you know, that works if you got 20,000 people, 20,000 downloads, but it doesn't work for most people. And the people I see that are using crowdfunding, the the model seems to be x amount for free, x amount buying a paywall. Like, Marc Maron had a great, still has a great plan, and that is I think his last 50 episodes are free. And then anything after that, you have to pay. And he was I think it was $5 a month, but he was making $200 plus some, because he had this ginormous audience, and people wanted to hear the old Robin Williams interview, and they wanted to hear this and that. So his stuff was evergreen. If you're doing a new show, your back catalog, you know, is kind of, you know, it's yesterday's news, so that's tough.
And then, I'm doing an episode on on Monday. It's my one thousandth episode, which is kind of even crazy to think about. Right. But I I was like, okay. I'm gonna try to answer the question, how do you grow a podcast? And I was at an event, in Cleveland, and I've always said, if you want people to give you money, typically, you're either saving the money or helping them make money or saving them time because that's typically what people will bust out their wallet for or or remove a pain of some way. Mhmm. So that's that's part of that content. But then there are things, like, I always say, your show should make people either laugh, cry, think, groan, and we'll stop there because I I for, like, a week, everything I read or listened to or watched, I'm like, why did I watch that? Well, it made me either laugh, cry, think, or groan. Like, there are things I I hate watch.
But I also then looked at them like, yep. But they're also either educating me or there's some things that just entertain. Like, it's not really I'm not learning anything, you know, but I'm just, you know, like, wow. That's I've never seen this before. That's weird. So there's that. And then, there are times when, especially in news, if you can be the first to market. You know? There's there's that aspect of it. But it's there's a lot of, like, things to juggle there, but I thought about it because if you're not making me laugh, cry, think, or groan, and you're not educating me, you're not entertaining me, you're boring. Mhmm. And there are times I remember I was listening to Marc Maron, and he was interviewing some other, you know, comedian. And they're talking about the good old days at the Chuckle Hut or whatever it was, some place I've never been and some place I'll never go, and talking about behind the scenes. And you know Joey the bouncer and so and so and blah. And I don't know any of this stuff. But they did, and it was entertaining to them. And I was like, why am I listening to this? I'm like, I'm not getting anything out of this. And I'm like, oh, they're celebrities.
And celebrities kinda get a pass because you think they're gonna give you some insight. And I was like, no. This is this is boring. It's, you know, two comedians I haven't laughed once, and not a single joke. And so there are times when I I now kinda use that as, like, almost like a checklist. Like, when I look at my episode, I'm like, alright. Am I saving people time? Am I saving them money? Am I doing this laugh, cry, think, grown, educator, entertain? And if I'm not checking off two of those at least, I'm like, okay. I gotta find a way to to tweak this. And that's hard if you're doing live because you're making it up off the top of your head. So Yeah. That's where that's where creative editing comes into play for the audio. Yeah.
[01:43:00] Unknown:
That's true. Does
[01:43:02] Unknown:
rumble let you replace a video? Yeah. Yeah. You can. Because on YouTube, you can't. You you can, you know, you basically pull down the old version and upload the new one, but you can't say, hey. You know, there's a mistake in the thirty eight minute mark. I wanna take this edited version and upload it and replace the video on YouTube, which is another reason why they're annoying. Yeah. I I I I believe you can do that. I've never done it myself, but I I know that they have a they have a feature in there that that you where you can clip and you could edit,
[01:43:31] Unknown:
and then up reupload things. But, I I've never played with it really. I just I think I just clipped one segment of audio of a video that I did. Just wanted to see how it worked. Yeah. And, I think that was that was really it. But, see, what I like about Rumble is, aside from the fact I'm a shareholder, Yeah. Is, is I like the fact that, you know, we can have this kind of conversation like we were talking about earlier about cancer and different treatments for cancer and Oh, yeah. I don't get the strike. I don't get the content removed. You know?
They make it a little bit easier for you to to to to kinda monetize your show. Like, my problem is is I don't I don't get a consistent amount of people watching throughout the course of the night. So, like, I'm looking at my screen here. So on on the right side of my screen, I have a a tab for live chat, studio, and then campaigns. And, when I hit the target audience number, that little campaign light goes on and lets me know that there's a read that I can do. But if I have a guest and they're in the middle of of of of of explaining something or or telling a story, and I have the minimum number of of of viewers, that light goes on, I'm not gonna interrupt my guest just to just to do a read. And sometimes by the time they finish, you know, that number dropped below where I can do the read. So it makes it kinda difficult. And then they have the Rumble creator program, which I was part of last month, which is great. It's a great idea. It's a great platform. It's a great thing to work with, but I don't really have the following for it yet. Like, I don't have the numbers for it yet. Well and do you get to pick
[01:45:11] Unknown:
Obviously, you can click on the the ad and see if you wanna read it or not. But do you get to at least kinda pick, look, don't send me you know, maybe you don't wanna talk about cigarettes and beer or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. You do. Okay. So you have those options. So, like, don't even show those to me. Well, that's that's an interesting I have not heard of that. That's that's
[01:45:29] Unknown:
No. It's pretty it's pretty good. And, you know, like I said, if I I think if I had a more consistent viewership for the for the shows, it'll be bet more beneficial for me, but it's not. So maybe if, like, some of them have a minimum, you have to have at least 10 people watching. Alright. So I have I have 11 people watching. Dave's on a rant. I'm not gonna interrupt Dave. Dave finishes his rant. Now I have nine people watching.
[01:45:53] Unknown:
You know? Yeah. Joe's talking to me about his dog having cancer, and I wanna, like, oh, hold on, Joe. I know it's sad, but I gotta talk about MeUndies or whatever it's like. Right. Exactly.
[01:46:03] Unknown:
You know, so That's tricky. It it's it's so it's hard it's hard to do. And then their creative program, which is great. It's a great program. It really is. But I don't I just don't have the I don't have the, the traction for it yet. You have to you have to cut you have to you have to put five hours of showtime behind a paywall, behind behind the premium, the Rumble premium paywall Yeah. Which is great. It's it's fantastic. You know? I just don't have the numbers for that. You know? So
[01:46:32] Unknown:
and then Well, you you said it right the first time. You said I don't have the numbers for that yet. Yeah. Exactly. Because we We'll get there. We're gonna get there. I know we will. Well, and and the the most profitable thing for monetization is selling your own stuff. I somebody, at the school of podcasting asked me, they said, I'm not trying to get into your wallet. They said, but, like, what percentage of stuff? And I'm like, oh, 65% of my income comes from this membership site. I go now there's, like, 5% was affiliate, and, I think 9% was crowdfunding and this and that. And I go but it's and it's always like, well, which strategy should I use? I go, why limit yourself? Do do them all. I go, I got sponsors. I got Patreon. I got affiliate stuff. I'm like, you know, pennies make dollars the last time I checked. But, like, the book behind me, if you buy that from me, I think I make $12.
And I go, but if I was doing programmatic ads that pay me $5 per thousand downloads, I go, that's 2,400 downloads. Which one's easier to get? 2,400 downloads or selling one book to an engaged audience? I go, it's, you know, that's definitely the most profitable. Writing a book is a pain in the butt. It's, because you think you're done. You're like, oh, a n k, and we're done. And it's been edited, and it's been re edited, and it's been re edited. And it's been re and then I can went through five edits. And I was like, are we seriously not done with this? And, and then you realize kinda like a podcast. You think the hardest part is, you know, getting the microphone and getting your host and, you know, uploading it to whoever and getting an Apple and Spotify, all that. That's the easy part. The hard part is getting people to come listen to it. It. Yeah. And so the same thing with a book. The hard part is getting people to go buy it.
And, this is the first time I'd worked with a publisher, and the only cool thing about it is I've had people take pictures in, for whatever reason, UPS stores. And they're like, hey. I walked in. Here's your book. Click. You know? And I'm like, okay. I don't think I could have done that if I it was my own, you know, if I did a self publishing thing. But Yeah. On the other hand, I have no idea how many books I've sold. I get a check, I think, twice a year for, you know, $26 and whatever. It's because when you buy it from them, I don't make as much. So it's kinda tricky. But, I'd never been with a publisher before, and I was like, well, only one way to find out. So
[01:48:49] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, I I I do wanna get a copy of the book, though, because I I was I was checking it out online today. So I'm I'm gonna pick up a copy probably sometime this weekend. Nice. The, and when I was going through your website just to like, I don't I know we're not running out of time, but, you gave a lot of really good information, on one of the videos that I saw, on on how does about getting set up, like, what type of equipment you need, and how to do it, you you know, most cost effective. And one of the things that I I really like that you said was, you know, you you you don't need to have the best microphone, on the market. Like, like, I see I'm using, you know, the Joe Rogan special here. And I got one sitting behind me. Yeah. I mean, I love it. It's a great mic, you know, and and the reason why I went with this was because at the studio we used to use back in New York, he only had Shure mics, so that's all I knew when I got started.
So bought a Shure mic. So so but I I love it. It's great. But I have others I I dude, I have so many microphones. It's ridiculous. Oh, dude. I've I've got a Blue Yeti sitting right here. Behind me, I got a Electrolyce r e three twenty.
[01:49:59] Unknown:
I got my Shure s m seven b. Like, wait. You own a seven b, and you're not using it. And they go, why not? I go, because I like my voice better on this one. Right. It's a road it's a road pod mic USB. And I go, I know. This is 200. This one's four.
[01:50:15] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, actually weird. I like this one better. You know? Let me do this.
[01:50:22] Unknown:
Yes. We all have a drawer full. Oh, there you go. Yep. This is this is the pro the Rode Procaster.
[01:50:27] Unknown:
Yeah. I love this mic. I do. I I love the way it sounds. Like, for example, like, on the RodeCaster, that I have, the volume setting for the Shure has to be Oh, yeah. Has to be five points higher than it is for this one. Yeah. The thing's gain hungry big time. Oh, huge. And, but and it's gonna sound like a silly silly reason, but the only reason why I'm really using the Shure mic right now is because I'm a little neurotic when it comes to these things. I'm using I'm using Shure head earbuds. There you go. So I like to make it match. And Rode doesn't have earbuds. So No.
[01:51:05] Unknown:
That you know what? I got a pair of Shure somewhere around here, the earbuds. I just I'm I'm just I'm always wearing over the ear cans, so I have the time I'm like by the time I figure out how to wiggle and get the thing into the ear, I'm like, I'll just wear these these. Yeah. No. It it took some getting used to. But, and the other reason is because I I spent some money, and I got that little nameplate done. Yeah. The nameplate. Yeah. There's no that that wouldn't work on this one. Yeah. So, you know, I I gotta let it show a little bit, you know, for the amount of money that that it cost. It wasn't that expensive. It was, like like, $20. So Yeah. No big deal. But no. I always tell people, Mike, there's no one size fits all. You know? It's like whatever you know, I the first expensive mic I bought, I think, was $300. It was an AKG something. It's in a closet over there sitting dust. And why did I buy it? Because Scott Fletcher used it, and he sounds amazing.
Well, it sounds amazing for Scott. I you know? And and I find out later, oh, this is a condenser microphone. It doesn't work well unless you're in a treated room. You know? You're picking up the crickets farting outside. I'm like, oh, okay. This is you know? Right. So in in the box, it went, and it's sitting in a closet going it's in the I should put this on eBay pile that's getting bigger and bigger. So yeah. And in the end, it's not the tech. I don't have anybody going, you know, Dave, you gotta come listen to this show. I'm like, why? They're like, their audio, it's like butter for your ears, man. And I'm like, yeah. That's I've never had that. It's always about the content. Yeah. Well, I I I agree with you, and and that was one of the great points that you were making in the video that I watched. It you know, it's it's not the tech. It's it's the content
[01:52:36] Unknown:
that is behind the tech. I think I mean, I think having good equipment is important. You should. Yep. You know, as long as you can afford it. It's within your means. Bingo. I mean, this this is this isn't the the newer Shure mic. This is, the the the previous model. So this one was about, I think, 3 about about 300 for that one. The Procaster, that was I think it was 400 for the Procaster. But you know what? The one thing about Rode mics is they are built to last. Yeah. Like, that thing I mean, you could hurt somebody with that thing. That's it.
[01:53:15] Unknown:
Yeah. This one right here. The Rode PodMic Yeah. I have one of these sitting next to my next to my bed. Somebody come taking them out with my finger. There you go.
[01:53:24] Unknown:
I got yeah. So I and I have I have the Rode PodMic. I got that one before the Procaster, actually. Yeah. And, I was on the phone with customer service for for Rode, and I was like, so what what's your equivalent to this to the s m seven? And he was like, the the PodMic. He goes Yeah. Is just as good, if not better. So I bought it, but strangely enough, I didn't like the way it sounded.
[01:53:47] Unknown:
Yeah. I I'm not a huge fan. I I like the the USB version because it basically gives you the same tools. It's kinda like a single channel Roadcaster. Mhmm. It's got software that comes in it. You can boost your bass and your treble and compressor and noise gate and all that stuff, and then you save the settings into the microphone. So if I'm and right now, I'm via USB. But if I, you know, was on the road and brought it with me, it would sound the same because the settings are in the microphone when I go to the USB version. I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. That's neat. Yeah. And so, like, with this one, you know, I take it with me on the road. It's gonna sound like this. And I got unless I'm bringing a mixer with me or my Rodecaster, I'm out of luck. With this one, it's, you know, the Rodecaster is in the mic when you, use a USB. Yeah. When I go when I travel, I take, I use,
[01:54:35] Unknown:
the, the the Shure MV seven, which is the which is the USB one. Well, you can do both, USB or XLR. And I I love it. I think it's a great mic. But, I'm I'm probably I'm probably the reason why that I had the Procaster set up is because I was I was I'm gonna be switching to that probably,
[01:54:56] Unknown:
starting next week. Yeah. Oh, this is good to grab mic. Yeah. So I got a bunch of them. Let's it's like you, man. It's like it's you know, I've got a drawer full of these things. So And, I recently got a,
[01:55:06] Unknown:
a Shure was it s m four?
[01:55:11] Unknown:
I know they have the green one that's kind of main they say it's a gaming mic, but you could use it for podcasting if you wanted to. Let me see if I can get it. Hold on one second. Yeah. They're, sure makes good stuff. I like road stuff. For years, I used an Electro Voice RE three twenty. That's, the little brother to the RE 20, which is used in, like, every radio station. I've got a Heil p r 40 in my closet. That was a big one. Every now and then, that's pretty right there. Oh, it's a beautiful mic, but it's a,
[01:55:43] Unknown:
it's a it's a dynamic no. It's a it's a condenser mic. So Yeah. So you gotta be careful with this one.
[01:55:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I've got a, Rode NT one, I think it is. It's supposed to be this, like, premier condenser. And I got that when I was gonna do the voice narration for my book, and in the end, I was like, I like my voice on this microphone. That's why I'm this one. So Yeah. It's, I've I've never tried that
[01:56:08] Unknown:
from Rode, but, my my own experience with Rode has been the the Procaster and the and the PodMic. And Yeah. By far, I I love the Procaster. And then, like I said, I'm gonna be switching back to it very soon. Probably this probably this weekend. So this is the Shure SM four. Mhmm. And it comes with a comes with a so you got this neat little setup here, so you just kinda screw that in there, and it has the magnetic pop filter that you get that goes on Yeah. There somehow. Where'd it go? There we go. So that's that's that. The only problem slick. Yeah. The only problem with this is is it it doesn't do well on a boom.
Yeah. It needs to be more on a on a on a stand. And when it's on the stand, I feel like it's very intrusive in because it has to because you have to hit the sweet spot. You can't talk off the side. Right. So it has to be right in front of you. So it's it it gets a little cumbersome. But it's a great mic. I mean, it sounds beautiful. It really does. Right.
[01:57:08] Unknown:
It's just a little finicky. Yeah. It's it's
[01:57:11] Unknown:
it's not for what I thought it was gonna be. But, very happy with it. As a matter of fact, I have a friend, who he he's he's considered an executive producer for the show, and he's, he's starting up his own his own show. He's out out Washington state. And, I told him I'm gonna give this to him. I'm gonna gift it to him. Nice. Help him get started. You know? I try.
[01:57:36] Unknown:
Well, that's it. I mean, I I had people helping me when I first started, just for feedback. That's the thing I think that most people I I always feel like we're kind of in the same business model as the movies. We we have an idea what we wanna say. We record it. We edit it. And the part that we don't do is that we should, is get some people to listen to it before we go, you know, before that first live. Because even Ron Howard, the director and actor, he he still sits in a theater with an audience before it goes out because he knows when they're supposed to laugh and when they're supposed to cry. And so if everybody acts the way they're supposed to act in the in the right places, then it goes out. And, so I think sometimes we skip that step. And then what happens then is we end up promoting, you know, content resonating with the audience. And we're just I mean, my favorite example of this was, it was these.
Disney did a version of, the lone ranger with Johnny Depp as Tonto. And, I mean, they had everything set. They had the happy meal. They had the action figures and, you know, everything. And it ended up losing, I forget how many millions of dollars because they just kept they're just like, no. People need to know this movie's out. Well, no. People knew it was out. I saw that movie. It was absolutely horrendous, and it just wasn't gonna resonate. But then you look at a movie like the Sixth Sense, which I won't spoil it. If you haven't seen it, it's a great movie. It is. It's the thing. When you watch that movie, you instantly wanna grab a friend. Hey. Come watch this movie with me. I gotta see it again.
And, you know, that thing made, like it was half the budget if that, you know, probably even less than that. And it did great at the gang, you know, at the at the box office because everybody that saw out of that movie and said, you gotta go see this movie. Yeah. And so I sometimes feel that's kinda where we're at. We, you know, we have an idea what we're gonna do on our episode. We do it. We don't have time to, you know, to do any kind of, you know, screening or whatever. But we do our best, and then we hope that our audience tells a friend because 70 of podcast, you know, discoveries through word-of-mouth. Word-of-mouth. Yeah. You know? And, you know, so if we're not getting that word-of-mouth, that's, you know, back to the drawing board, back to the editing board, and, you know, try to do better on the next episode. Yeah. No. I I absolutely.
[02:00:03] Unknown:
And and it's you know, a lot of it a lot of it sounds like common sense, you know, when you when you, you know, have two guys sitting here talking about this stuff, you know, throwing this stuff out there. But it's a lot of it is common sense, but but it's a lot of it's also hard to it's hard to grasp, and it's also hard to do. It's again, podcasting is not an easy thing to do. Yeah. You know? It's not just I'm not a golfer.
[02:00:25] Unknown:
I do bowl. And all of those both those movements, there are so many things. If your wrist is you gotta do your wrist with this swing and then your, you know, your knee does this and that and keep your head on the ball and all this stuff. And if one little thing goes wrong you know? And I feel it's the same way. Sometimes you could have the best content, but you so in a kinda cute fashion with a inside joke that nobody got. So nobody clicked on it. You know? And then it's there's just all these little things, especially if you're on YouTube and video. Yeah. You know? Now you're into the whole world of the you know, you're feeding the algorithm and the thumbnails and the titles and all that stuff. So, yeah, I always say it's it's, like you said, it sounds simple, and it is. You know? Find out what your audience wants and give it to them. There you go. That everybody go podcast, but it's not easy because you know? And then that doesn't even bring in the land of trolls and people, you know, trying to drag it down and that whole nine yards, which Yeah. Depending on what you're talking about, you know, I had a guy who was so much fun for about six months, just every episode. This I don't understand how people listen to this show. This is ridiculous. Because he he would lose his mind if I had a typo in the show notes.
And the one time he's like, that's it. I cannot take this anymore. I don't understand why people are paying you money for this. And I'm like, dude, I'm not teaching them how to type. I'm teaching them how to podcast. Like, I'm sorry for the typo. He's like, that's it. I'm done. We're never coming back. And he he disappeared. And then, about two months later, I put a YouTube video, and I forget what I said. But he was like, I can't believe this is I'm like, oh, dude. I've missed you so much. And I was just it's like, you know, I I always say don't feed the trolls. You know? Just thank you for the comment. You know? Move on. But it's you can't please I had one guy once that gave us literally, like, two and a half pages of notes on the Ask the Podcast coach show. And I'm like, well, it's kind of a show where we, you know, answer questions and blah blah blah. And he was like, we should have guests, and you should do this, and you should and he basically had it for a show. It just wasn't the one I was doing. And I was like So do it. You know, I really appreciate the feedback.
That's not what we do here. You know? And it was like so and there's a name for that person, and it's called not your target audience. I'm like, I'm sorry you don't like the show, but, you know, there are only 4,000,000 other shows to choose from. You know? Go choose one of them. And Or he could take that idea into his own. Yeah. Exactly. If you you know, that's a lot of people. I just talked to a guy tonight, and he said the reason he started the show is there were other shows talking about his subject, but nobody was talking about what he wanted to talk about. And I think that's the birth of a lot of podcasts. They're like, oh, yeah. I listen to so and so show, and she does a good one, and he does it, but nobody's talking about what I wanna talk about. Mhmm. And then you find out that there are other people that feel the exact same way you do. Well, it's interesting. I I I have an idea for a show that I wanna do coming up, and
[02:03:23] Unknown:
I I know I'm I know I know I'm gonna get some some some crazy comments on this one. Yeah. But, I I'm gonna talk about Flat Earth.
[02:03:33] Unknown:
Oh, there you go. So,
[02:03:35] Unknown:
again, entertainment purposes, you know, I'm not an expert in this thing. I'm I'm trying to find somebody that can come on the show and, you know, provide some comments on it and, and talk about that. But, you know, just gonna throw it out there and see what see what see what grabs. See what happens. Yeah. Yeah. You know, just because, you know, as much as I love news, as much as I love the commentary and opinions and all that stuff, it it's it gets it it wears me down sometimes, you know. Oh, yeah. You know, it it's it's it's difficult to talk about sometime.
So, I'm gonna change it up a little bit. Now I have I'm booked with guests all the way through to the end of the month. So, I'm probably not gonna do that until I have some time where I can just have a just just me and the audience, you know Yeah. Kinda reconnect way we the way we used to do it. And, so we'll see. We'll see how it goes. But, you know, my whole show was basically an anything and everything type show. There's nothing off the books. We can talk about whatever, and I'm not gonna censor your opinion. If if I agree with you, great. If I don't agree with you, great. No problem. Say what you gotta say, get it off your chest, and then we'll move on. I I did a show with a guy, a few months ago, and we'd we'd he was a doctor and then very well very well educated man. And, you know, we had a great conversation varied from medicine to faith to theology to, you know, history and so on and so forth. There were things that we didn't agree with agree about.
And, you know, and what I appreciated about his comment was and I think I I think it's on the PodHome. I think he mentioned it in his, not PodHome. Sorry. PodMatch on one of the reviews that he left, that, you know, where we didn't agree, we just laughed about it and moved on and just kept talking. You know? And that's Not a whole idea. It's called a dialogue. Exactly. I think, we used to do that back in the day. Yeah. I'm with you. Anymore. Not so much anymore. No. But, the, I I guess so before we go, because I we're over the 09:00 time. I don't know if you if you wanna stick around for a few more minutes. Yeah. We're fine. But, what do you like, I I like long form.
You know what I mean? So I there aren't many podcasts that are long form shows.
[02:05:49] Unknown:
Well, it's people always ask how long should my show be, and I go, how long can you hold my attention? Mhmm. And but there are times, like, I I'm a guitar player, and Rick Beato had, Dave Gilmore, the guitar player of Pink Floyd, and they got very nerdy about very guitar stuff that only guitar players would love. So part of his audience is probably like, why are we talking about this weird silver pedal thing and, you know, what's this in capacitor? I mean, they got so nerdy to the point where I was kinda like, this is a little too nerdy for me, and I'm a guitar player. Right. But you're not gonna get that any place else. Mhmm. Like, you're not getting that on Jimmy Fallon. You're not getting it on you know? And it was just and it was live, and it was in his studio, so you got to see things you couldn't do. And so there's a book called Beyond Powerful Radio by Valerie Geller that's really good. It's it's geared for radio, but there's a lot of stuff that applies to podcasting. My favorite quote out of the whole book is, there is no such thing as too long, only too boring. And I was like, oh, that is so good. That's profound. And I thought about it because I've listened to five minute shows that felt like an hour. Mhmm. And I've listened to an hour long show that felt like five minutes. So it really boils down to who's my audience and what do they want. Because I, I did one episode of the school podcasting. Normally, they're thirty to forty minutes, but this was an hour and ten. So I went way over, but it was about interviews and how to find guests and then how to do good interviews, etcetera, etcetera.
And just everybody was asking me about this. Like, I'm just gonna do a brain dump. And then if somebody asked me a question, I can answer it and then go for more information to see this episode. That episode, when I look at it in Apple, has over a 100% completion rate. People went back and listened to it more than once. So it's it's not the length. It's it's the quality. And that's where, you know, for the longest time, people are like, man, I wish I could see how far people listen. I'm like, be careful what you you wish for because then you go into Apple Podcast and Spotify's dashboard, and they both show that. And I remember once I was working with a client, he goes, oh, it's saying 30%. Is that good? I go, you're talking to an old teacher. I go, where I come from, 70 is a c. Mhmm. 80 is a b and 90 is an a. And I go, you got a 30.
I go, that's that's not great in my book. I go, now, you know, depending on what your goal is, you know, I go, but I would shoot for, you know, a 100. And if you miss, you might land on 90. You know? But 30, that's you know? And there there are things where, like, if you do the same intro, which I do, so I can see where my audience comes in and immediately have a waterfall. And who are those? I can see where 90% of my audience is following the show. So they know that it's, you know, the podcasting since 02/2005. I say the same thing like Dave Ramsey. And then it levels off, and then it's kinda fun, and I can see where my ads are because all of a sudden there'll be a little dip, and then it comes right back up. So that's everybody in fast forward. You know? And then the minute you hint that the show is over, they they are scattered like cockroaches with the lights on. It's crazy. I'm like, all I said was, as we start to wind down here, it's like, boom, they're gone. I'm like, oh, holy cow. So Yeah. That's interesting because I do the same thing. I I watch
[02:08:59] Unknown:
I watch the live numbers. Like, when my show starts, I have the I have the bay same basic opening. Just the only difference that I do from time to time is I have the same voice over track, but I have different background music to it. That's the only difference I really make, you know. So I I change it up every now and then.
[02:09:15] Unknown:
See, I have people I've used the same theme music forever, and it I I remember once I was talking about getting new theme song, and my audience came out of nowhere. Like, do not change that. I get so pumped up when I hear that music. And I was like, oh, I did not know. Alright. Didn't know the music was sacred. They're like they're like, I grew up with Johnny Carson, and I remember his theme song. And they're like, that's the theme song. Don't mess with the theme song. I'm like, alright. Not messing with the theme song. Like, okay. The only reason why I I I would contemplate changing it is,
[02:09:44] Unknown:
like, I I get it. The the the main one that I use, I it's a royalty free, Yeah. All that stuff. So, I don't have a problem with that. There's another track that I use that, one of my guests actually produced and played lead guitar on it. Oh, nice. And when I heard it, I was like, wow. That is good. I like that. And so I asked him if I could use it from time to time, and he sent me a copy of it without the without the vocal tracks. And, so I used that, like, I don't know if I can let me play it for you. Do you mind? Yeah. Alright. So the name of the band is The Angelics, and, the name of the song is Digital Dungeon.
So so this one this, this one has the voice over track on it, so sorry about that. That's alright.
[02:10:37] Unknown:
Transguest line from the asylum studios deep in the bowels of Southwest Texas. It's the Joe Rouge show. Yeah. The show where we talk about anything and everything. Where nothing is sacred, nothing is watered down, and nothing is PC.
[02:10:58] Unknown:
So I love the track. Yeah. Very Iron Maiden ish. Yeah. It is. Yeah. Very retro. Yeah.
[02:11:07] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:11:10] Unknown:
Very cool.
[02:11:11] Unknown:
And then And riff. Oh, it is. And it you know, it and I find it sets the pace for the show too.
[02:11:17] Unknown:
That's it. You know? Yeah. I, it's funny. I I grew up on metal, but I always have a funky side to me. So if you can so, like, I love the band Extreme Mhmm. With Nuno. And so my intro music is kinda funky, and it turns out it's some guy from Akron where I grew up made the music. Oh, really? But it's always that. And then I I finally the one show I do about podcast websites called podcast website tips, I was like, I gotta get something that doesn't sound so Dave Jackson. I'm like, let's do something complete and it is. It sets the mood. It's, kind of jazzy, bluesy piano.
Just a it's a little it's not quite so, you know, high energy, let's go and do it kind of thing. It was like, alright. Here's a fun tip that you know? Yeah. And so, yeah, the music can really set the mood.
[02:12:05] Unknown:
When, on the show that I do with my my sponsors, like, so so I do a Tuesday show with, Ezra Healing. And then coming up on the thirteenth, I'm gonna have the owner of, Podholme on the show. It's a we can do a special Saturday show because just what is his name? I'm sitting here. Is it Rudy, Brandy? Barry Loubregt. Barry. I knew it was something with a b. Barry Loubregt. Great guy. Love the man. Ever since I went over to Podholme, he's been just we became really good friends. Yeah. He's a good guy. Yeah. So, and I appreciate that he's he's sponsoring the show, and so it's it's a great it's great. So he's gonna be on the show on the thirteenth.
I think it's a 12:00 start for me, but it's, like, 7PM where he is. So, so I'm looking forward to doing that, and I forgot why I was even bringing up that whole thing. Oh, The music? Music. Yes. So, what I what I what I did is I pulled up I I I didn't put it on my on my, my Rodecaster yet. I have the theme song to his podcast. I found I just randomly found it. I was going through this I was going through this, royalty free thing, and I was, like, well, that let's let's hear what this one is. And I was, like, oh, that sounds familiar. What is that? And it turned out to be his. So I so I grabbed it. And so when I do the show with him, I'm gonna open the show with his music to to to the show that he did.
His show was called About Podcasting. I don't know if you've checked him out, but he's really good stuff. He had some really good information out there. He took a break from it. He's doing some really big upgrades with Podholme. He's also developed a new app that's still I think it's still in beta, but, it's good to about it though. I heard it's pretty cool. Yeah. So we're gonna I'm in the beta program, so I have it on my phone. It's it's really nice. I it's the the the user interface is beautiful. It's really smooth. It's clean, and just just really good. I my only suggestion would be to, if you're a if you're a PodHome customer to to the to the host platform, there should be a lot you should be able to log in and do your podcast stuff.
[02:14:03] Unknown:
That's a that's the problem with that, as someone who worked at Libsyn, easy on the I piece of cake problem. I don't know if it's a piece of cake, but it's easier. The problem when you get into Android, there's it's like Baskins and Robins over there. They're where almost everybody's on the latest version of iOS on the Apple side. Mhmm. On the Android side, it's it's just herding cats. So you can come up with software, and it won't work for, you know, 38% of the people on an Android. I'm like, oh, man. Yeah. Because I always wondered that. Like, why isn't because they're you'll have these cool tools on the iOS side, and and I'm like, why and then I when I was at because it's just not the same thing where, you know, there's even though they're all Google and it's Android, you know, you got Samsung and all these different they're all on different versions of this is strawberry, and this is, you know, cantaloupe and whatever the different versions are. So when you try to write software, it's just it's a nightmare.
[02:15:01] Unknown:
So but Well, Dave, I'm I think my I I don't know if you hear Charlie. He's barking by the by the steward. Well, you gotta we can't leave Charlie out the, you know Well, it's He's probably gotta he's gotta go to the bathroom now. No. He needs dinner is what he's he's waiting for. He knows he's getting dinner tonight. So I cook for them every night. The the I spoil them rotten. So Nice, man. Good for you. Yeah. I try. I try. So, Dave, here's what we'll do. I'm gonna close out the show. You're welcome to sit there while we do it because I just got a couple of announcements and stuff to do. And then, and then we can say goodbye from there. Is, just, let us know where we could find you, find out more information about the school and your book and all that great stuff. Yeah.
[02:15:40] Unknown:
I'll give you two websites. My main website is school..com. That's the courses, the community, the coaching. That's all there. But I do have a lot of irons in the fire. And so all of my stuff, if you go to powerofpodcasting.com, that's got links to my book, and I've got three or four different podcasting and all that stuff. So if you wanna see everything, go to powerofpodcasting.com.
[02:16:02] Unknown:
Alright. Outstanding. Alright, folks. Well, Dave Jackson, and I have been waiting to talk to you for so long. This was this was great. I didn't get to any of the questions that I had. We just we just rolled through it. That was awesome. I would love to be able to get you back on again another time when you have some time and and chitchat some more. This is because this was really great information that we got tonight, and, and I know I know I'm hope hopefully, the audience got something really good out of this too. Hopefully, there are some budding podcasters out there that There we go. That we, we we inspired to, get into the fight here. Alright. So let's, let's wrap this baby up here. So announcements, just don't forget to head over to the website, joeroos.com joeroos.com.
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Transmitting live from the asylum studios deep in the bowels of Southwest Texas, it's the Joe Rooz Show. The show where we talk about anything and everything. Where nothing is sacred, nothing is watered down, and nothing is PC.
[00:03:43] Unknown:
Alrighty. Hey, folks. This is Joe Rooz. It is nineteen ten hours on Friday, 09/05/2025, and we are bringing you the best quality talk radio we could muster without all the bluster from the pimple on the backside of Texas, the beautiful city of Eagle Pass. And, folks, it is Friday. It is finally freaking Friday. Finally. Regular job, have been working since last week. Podcast since Sunday. So, we're tired. We are flipping tired here tonight, folks. But, hey, folk, it is but regardless of the fact, it is great to be with you guys. I I you know, as as tired as I get doing this, not so much the podcast, but just, life in general, the one thing I look forward to every day when we have show days is to be here with you guys and do the show. And, I appreciate everybody sticking with us through the course of the week. We had a packed week, man. We every single night, we had two guests every single night. Tonight is no different. And, we're gonna get into our guests here in just a few minutes. We have guest number one, Kenny Dupar, is waiting for us right now in the waiting room, so we'll bring him on in just a minute once we get through all of the housekeeping stuff that we normally do. And just wanna remind you, there's no show tomorrow.
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That now that story I wanna hear. I know we chatted a little bit beforehand, but I wanna hear that story. Stealing a bulldozer, even promoting boxing matches in a combat zone. His romance novel, Pin Ups and Gearheads, pits lovers against COVID chaos. It celebrates pinup models and gearheads united by style and competition. His tales, his tales blend humor, grit, and empowerment, echoing general Patton's view that compared to war, all other human endeavors pale in significance. Ken proves that true stories of survival and desire aren't just survived. They're sculpted into inspiration.
One audacious tale at a time. Ken, if you're there, welcome to the show. Come on back on. I know you can do it. You did it before.
[00:11:23] Unknown:
I did it again.
[00:11:24] Unknown:
Look at you. You're a pro.
[00:11:27] Unknown:
Didn't know that there was gonna be something about the devil's lettuce going on in your, that's really good. I mean, those those hemp products, for pain relief Yes. And and and different things like that, I think that that it's, very much, worth pursuing. Absolutely. I moved to East Tennessee, and I heard that phrase again, the devil's lettuce. And, yeah. I I I won't go any further than that as far as my opinions on on on that as far as Totally fine. Totally fine.
[00:12:03] Unknown:
It's a I I have a, I have a I have a pinched nerve in my in my back, and I have, in in one of my discs. And I also have sciatic pain. So what I what I tend to do is I I use those, those, those gummies, the the, the delta eight gummies, and, it they help. They really do. You don't get high I mean I mean, if you wanna get high from it, you gotta, like, suck down the whole thing. But, you know, all the little gummies, but this stuff is it's so mild, and it it just really does help you get through the the the discomfort of whatever pain you're dealing with and helps you sleep too. That's usually when I would take it before I went to bed. And it's not something it's not addictive or anything like that. You're not popping them all day long. It's just something, like, I for me anyway, I take it when I when I feel like I need to because of the sciatic pain or the or the or the disc has given me problems and, you know, it helps. They really help. And they have a bunch of other products as well that you that, folks could try out. I mean, it's it's something new. This is a new new partner for us. I haven't tried out everything. But, but, from what I from what I'm gathering and from what I'm hearing from testimonials and people that do use their products, they're they're fantastic. So, so something definitely to Yeah. I think so too. To look into. So, so, Ken, before we, well, first of all, I need to hear about the bulldozer story. So we're we're gonna get into that one. Alright?
The stolen bulldozer. But, I but I like to always ask my guests, first and foremost, there are two questions, icebreaker questions that I love to ask. And, sometimes it throws people off, sometimes it don't. Let's see how let's see how you handle this, sir. What's something that most people don't know about you but should?
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That, that my, that my customer service attitude needs to improve. Explain. I can be ruthless, especially when I'm getting the runaround and you get the the AI agent and everything like that. When you finally talk to a human being, it's difficult for me to tone it down at that point. I get you. I I get like I get like that too. I I I cannot stand
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talking to the AI representatives. I can answer you can ask me full sentences and I can answer the question for you, and then you ask you ask the question and they're like, I don't quite have an answer for that.
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Yeah. And so then I become like the scary man. Right? Mhmm. And it's like, okay. So I'm a man, and when I get frustrated, I'm scary. Okay. I guess I'll just get take my emotions and just keep on just swallowing it. I don't know. I don't know. Stay away from customer service.
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Alright. Our second question. What's your go to beverage to help you unwind at the end of the day?
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I haven't been drinking very much. I'm from Milwaukee, so I have consumed enough beer to float the USS Wisconsin, the battleship. I mean, I've just so I've I've I've pared it down. But now, I believe that as an as an adult that you should be able to self medicate any way you want.
[00:15:01] Unknown:
I agree. I agree. I have toned down my drinking quite a bit. So, we were talking earlier. So so, after this long week that I've had and the amount of shows that I did, I decided, you know what? I'm gonna treat myself. I'm gonna get a little bottle of, some of my favorite bourbon, just have one drink, which I did. And, holy cow. I forgot how strong that stuff was. So, I might pass out. No. I'm kidding. I'm I'm fine. I'm good. I'm good. Very good. Quite good,
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actually. You said something about there was not gonna be any complaining going on? No complaints. We have been this is Friday. I was thinking we would talk about we would go down memory lane and talk about, COVID. Well, that's fine. There's nothing more than a giant complaint. So I I I suppose I
[00:15:52] Unknown:
No. That's fine. We can we can complain about that stuff. We we can, you know, we can do all that. That's great. When I say complaints, I mean, don't complain about the show. I don't wanna hear it because I know all the problems with the show, so I just don't you don't have to tell me. I I'm the biggest critic I have. Trust me. Like, I I have a monitor up here. I'm watching it, and I see how blurry my side of the screen is right now. It's driving me absolutely nuts. So which is one of the reasons why we're changing the studio that we use because the studio I'm using right now is a web based studio, and and, it's subject to the whims of the web. So, you know, sometimes you get a little little skitzy, sometimes you don't. So try something out tomorrow.
Test run. Test run. Good luck with you. Oh, thank you, sir. Thank you. So you so before the show, we talked a bit a little bit about, your second book. So why don't you give us some background on that, and then let's we'll get into that conversation, because that was a really good good, conversation we were having, and I I think it's an important one.
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Well, it it only took me fifty years, Joe, to write my first novel. Okay? And once that journey was pretty much over, I'm like, okay. Well, I gotta follow-up. So what am I gonna write about? What's the next thing? And I was going to car shows, and I saw pinups. And women all dolled up, like, the Novozart from, World War two and the pinup dolls from, the pinup calendars back in the fifties and and whatnot. And That's great. I didn't know it, but it was a thing. And I'm looking at this car show, and there's gear heads, and there's pinup dolls. And I'm like, I got an entire cast of characters here.
Mhmm. And so I started writing about the characters, writing about the cars, writing about how the the similarities between the pinups and the gear heads, it became a symbiotic relationship in which
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are you are you a a car guy? I I I appreciate cars. I'm not great with maintaining them, but I appreciate them.
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Yeah. I'm I'm a carpenter by trade, so all of my tools are in standard. I I don't have any metric. Nothing. Good. But guys will will build they'll have a build for for for a a vehicle. You know? And it takes time. It takes money. And there's competition involved when you enter these, shows. Right. You know? And the pin ups are doing the exact same thing. It takes money for their outfits and the time, and they're actually creating in a whole another persona. Mhmm. And they both need each other in that what does the car got what does the gear head want? He wants a beautiful girl, a model in front of his car, in front of his baby. Right. Everybody wants to take photos. What does the pinup want? She wants her picture taken. And what's better than getting your picture taken in front of a muscle car? So right away, it just becomes, like, peas and carrots. Mhmm. And as I'm writing the characters and and and and I get about a 150 pages in, and COVID hits.
And, of course, my life just crumbled because it's like, oh, no. You're not an essential worker. Mhmm. You know? I was working for a general contractor, and the way it worked in Seattle land where I was at is that you were nonessential. Open let me put it this way. You became an essential worker if you had a government contract to build something. But if you didn't, just stay at home, and they shut everything down. And I know it's painful to to to talk about, but going down memory lane and saying, oh, yeah. Okay. Well, yeah. I I lost my job. And then a couple months later, you know, after I was off quote, unquote furlough and I think Donald Trump sent me a check for a thousand dollars. That was nice. Mhmm. And,
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I think make up for all the money you lost. To get the jab. Yeah. But it doesn't quite make up for all the money that you lost, you know, waiting to to get back to work.
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Yeah. That's another story. Yeah. And, it was my life turned into, like, a a a country song. And you saw it all over the place where people, either you got the jab or you couldn't work or, like, one of the one of the characters I made her into a, a hairstylist. Do you remember maybe maybe I shouldn't be asking you this. But do you remember five years ago when you used to have haircuts, Joe? Yes. Yes. This is recent. This is Do you use the haircuts? Yes. I do.
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I'm sorry. I I I didn't mean No. No. It's fine. I this is volunteer. I I did this I I did this, like, two weeks ago.
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Well, what did people hoard? Toilet paper. Right. You couldn't get toilet paper. I it it there was a mountain of stupid everywhere that you looked. And reviving these memories, it it seems it seems odd, but the country still hasn't come to grips with what has occurred. Mhmm. And I think part of that has to do with, you know, telling your story about what occurred with you. I mean, how many I don't know what it was like in Texas. But in Washington state, it was rather draconian, you know. You had to wear your mask. You would be refused service. Mhmm. How many what was it like in Texas? It was similar. You're you're you're at Eagle Pass? Yes.
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Okay. So Eagle Eagle Pass is I I I call it the pimple on the backside of Texas. It's the furthest south the furthest south you can get in Texas before you hit Mexico. So, but, but here in Texas, you know, at the very beginning of it, you it was pretty much in lockstep with with the rest of the country was doing, but then our governor risk real pulled back a lot of the a lot of the requirements and restrictions and and such. So it was a little bit more open and a little bit more free. However, I work in I work in a nursing facility. So, in order for us to continue to receive, federal money through, like, the was it Medicare, Medicaid, whatever it is? I forget which one is which. You know, you had to you had to go in compliance with what the CDC recommended and, HHS recommended. And, of course, they wanted you to be fully masked up and gloved up and all that stuff. I mean, we used to wear the, at well, at the peak of it, when we had, we used to we had a a wing that we had isolated for residents that had contracted COVID.
And in order to go in and out of there, you had to go through donning and you had to go through a donning booth. So you went into this one little area. You scrub yourself up. You had to put on the marshmallow suit with the glass with the with the with the goggles, the face shield, the mask, the gloves, the booties, you know, all that stuff. And you went into the into that section of the building, and you you did what you needed to do, and then you had to go through the doffing section, which everything had to come off, and you had to scrub up again, clean yourself up before you went out back into, general population. I know it sounds like a prison, but it's, you know, kind of the same. But,
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Oh, I hate working in hospitals. Hospitals were just
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onerous as all as all get out. Yeah. And it was it was it was difficult, especially for for what I was doing, because I I work in, I work in, facility maintenance and life safety. So, you know, if I had if we had a clogged toilet, you know, down that particular hallway, I had to take twenty minutes to get all dressed up to go in there to plunge a toilet and walk out in five minutes and go through another ten minute procedure of of of changing clothes. You know? So it it got to be very, very, difficult and, annoying to say the least.
[00:23:39] Unknown:
Yeah. The the nursing facilities, the nursing homes, there was one in Seattle and in the city called Kirkland. A lot of a lot of Google out there. Like, it was a big several Google campuses in Kirkland. But there was an epicenter at a, I don't know. It was assisted living center, and the and people were presenting flu like symptoms. Mhmm. And COVID always presented as flu like symptoms. It was it was in the country for months, you know, and people were just being treated as if it was a normal flu. Because that's all it is. But that's because it's all yeah. Right. And so but they didn't have a protocol for people coming in and out of that place. Mhmm. And when they realized that they they were all of a sudden had turned into, you know, an infectious zone, then they started shutting things down.
And that's another really sad thing that happened with, you know, let's go visit grandma at the nursing home, and then you can wave to her through the window.
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Yeah. Yeah. We we had to go through that too. Awful, awful stories. And
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maybe that's because it's so damn awful to think about all the repercussions of policy, people just don't wanna think about it yet. I don't know. But for me, when I was halfway through a novel, I was writing through a love story. All of a sudden, like, oh my god. My life sucks so bad now. How am I gonna wrap this up? And I realized that COVID makes a perfect bad guy. Every story needs to have a bad guy. Mhmm. And there were there were some nasty characters in the book itself, but, how it would affect people, especially when you're losing your job, you know.
What happened to, you know, restaurants?
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Mhmm.
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Business is shutting down every once in a while. When they started the the lockdowns, I'm like, okay. Let's see them lock down the liquor stores. Let's see them locked down the pot shops. Which it is. Because I'm gonna riot. I I don't care what happens. I'm gonna I'm I I I need my beer. I need something. But they didn't shut those things down because why? Because the peasants would have revolted and sort of lightened shit on fire. And so that didn't happen. I used to say it's bread and circuses.
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Bread bread and circuses. And if if you if if you're listening, you're not familiar with bread and circuses is. That was the that was the the philosophy of the Roman Empire. You, you give you give the the the plebs, the great unwashed masses, bread and entertainment, and you keep them happy. And, and bread meaning food, obviously. So that's what they did, and that's exactly the direction that they went. They they kept all the methods of entertainment open, the strip clubs, the the, the bars, the, casinos, the, the the pot shops, the the, the the the liquor stores, all that stuff stayed open, but yet they shut down the churches.
Couldn't go into a church. Oh, yeah. Well,
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you're a man of faith. Right, Joe? Yes, sir. And and Christians are very compliant. Mhmm. Okay? We're we are taught that we work with the civil authority, and it's not it's it's important to, you know, bear your responsibilities within civil society and to obey the law. Romans chapter 14. Man's law. But, you know, churches was an easy target because they'd actually do what you told them to. And then a couple, I I think, six or nine months later, they open them back up. It's a butt. You gotta socially distance. The six feet, which came out of, like, nowhere. I mean, it was just enough that six feet rule was just another
[00:27:38] Unknown:
just another boulder on the mountain of stupid. Mhmm. Yeah. It was it was just an arbitrary decision that they made. There was nothing nothing scientific behind it. There was no evidence that that was effective in any way, shape, or form.
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And we're see and we're singing in church with a mask on. I'm thinking, you've you've actually muzzled the choir. My god. This is we must sound really bad.
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But, I could I I don't like doing remote church. I I I wanna I wanna go in, you know? Of course. Yeah. I mean, that and and, you know, churches today still are are still dealing with the repercussions of that, because a lot of people still haven't gone back to church. You really like my church, for example, the the one I the one I go to here, prior to prior to COVID, you know, the church house was full on a Sunday. There was barely barely sitting room when you got there. You know, now, I mean, you have whole rows, whole pews are empty where families would be sitting. They're not back. We got a lot of folks that never came back to church after this.
I mean, some people I'm sure use as an excuse not to go to church. Well, yeah, I don't have to go to church anymore. It's fine. But, you know, other people, I I don't know if it's out of fear or or whatnot, but they don't come back. They haven't come back. So church attendance has dropped significantly.
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Yeah. They used to call them super spreader events. Yes. And and we can go down a list of things that were just out just incredibly stupid. Like, if you wanted to go to the giant protest for Black Lives Matter or something like that in Seattle, that was no problem. Right. But holy holy holy smokes. I mean, if if there's gonna be more than, just a few people in a church building, no. No. No. No. Can't do that. That's right. But it was but there still seems to be, like, two camps where you have people who were like, this doesn't make any sense. Is it mRNA?
Is that really a vaccine? Why is it that when I go into a restaurant, I have to go in with the mask, I get seated, and all of a sudden, a bubble appears around my table, and everything is safe, and I could take my mask off. Because I did I need my bread and I need my circuses. Right? Yeah. The six feet thing, and it goes on and on. It's like, they've told us that we had to wear a mask at work. I'm doing construction. Mhmm. Okay. Fine. I go to the Home Depot. There's no dust mask there.
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It was n 95 mask. Is that what? That that that ended up becoming the protocol was the n ninety fives. Yeah.
[00:30:16] Unknown:
So, Joe, I I was so well, since they said, so you have to wear a mask. You have to wear something. You gotta wear a a baklava or something. So I went to my local grocery store and I bought women's underwear. And I cut them and I put elastic, and I was wearing panty mask. Because I'll tell you what, man. If if you want me to be be do stupid, I'm gonna be the king of stupid. I can I have no problems with that whatsoever? And, of course, I got some weird looks, but it's like, this is stupid. It's like it's like trying to stop a mosquito from going through a chain link fence.
Okay? This is a virus, and I'm wearing a dust mask from Home Depot. It's not doing anything, you know. But it makes you feel better. And so, you know, I I don't know why we haven't had this conversation in this country yet. Whereas, it's like people are still, wedded to belief that the government's gonna give you the straight poop. My my sister has has COVID again. She got as a dog. And I heard, you know, anecdotally, that people who the people who have gotten the vaccine and the boosters are more susceptible from to getting COVID Mhmm. Than than people who haven't.
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Yeah. They they they were talking they were talking about that at this, at this hearing, that, that, Bobby Kennedy went to, with the senate. And it it turns out that that the more boosters you get, the more open you are and more susceptible you are to getting this this really bad flu bug. Did you ever have it? Did you get it?
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In January 2020, I had a sore throat for about two weeks. Okay. I'm just I'm just that nasty. I that virus don't wanna live in me. I I don't know what it is. But, we get I never I don't get sick like that. So,
[00:32:21] Unknown:
I technically well, according according to what they say, I've had it three times. Okay? And, I'm not vaccinated. I'm I'm pure blood. You know, so Good for you. So I I refuse to get it, and I'll I'll tell that story in a second. But the, but I got it the first time. I got it in June '20. And, so that was, like, around the the beginnings of the whole thing, you know, the official beginnings of the whole thing. And, I I was sick. I mean, I I felt like I had a flu, you know? And at the time, my doctor, god bless him, he he, and this was of course before they banned all the stuff that actually worked.
He he he gave he gave me hydroxychloroquine, he gave me hydroxychloroquine, a steroid, antibiotic, and all the vitamins that you're supposed to take, you know, the vitamin d and all that stuff. And, honestly, I took the first two doses of the hydroxychloroquine, but because you're supposed I think it was if I remember right, you're supposed to take two on the first day and then one each day after. By the second day, by the by the by the by my second dose or third dose if you if you count it that way, man, I was fine. I was up. I was cleaning the house. I was doing dishes, washing clothes, you know, had had a little sniffle, had a little cough. I was fine.
You know? And then Right. And then the second time I got it, I didn't even know I had it. I I was I I went to go, I went up to New York to, to to see my sister. Our mom had passed away. And, so I went up for that, and, I got sick while I was up there and, you know, came back just fine and and called my job. I was like, hey. Listen. I'm gonna I'm back. I'm gonna be coming back to work, but, I do have a little bit of a sniffle, you know, and I understand that COVID was still running around up there in New York. And they were like, well, now you do a test before you come back and, you know, they will come by the come by the place. We'll do a test for you, which I did. And sure enough, tested positive. So I had to be out for another week. And then just recently, a couple weeks ago, had a sore throat, stuffy nose, COVID was running around my building at at at the job, and, so they made me take a test. So I took a test, came back positive, and, so I'm out for a week, but I had a cold. That's all it was. And the thing was, I I'm home, and all I did all week, I did every one of my shows. I was fine. It's, you know, I you know, that was it. It was no big deal. What got me though was the week after, I got a bug, like, a twenty four hour bug or something like that on on a Tuesday night, knocked me out from from Tuesday all the way through to Thursday, but I was negative. It wasn't COVID. It was just like a like a like a a bug or something that that just picked up. So it would it's so it's been it's been crazy. It's it's crazy. But everybody's, like, at the job right now, you know, everybody's running around with masks. Everybody's all, you know, wrapped up in gloves and all that stuff again. It's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that proves that these masks work.
The the the, Precisely. The, the virus itself is smaller than what the mask can actually filter. So so it's gonna get through anyway. So it it's all it is is just to make you feel better. That's all it is. It's to make you think that you're doing something and also to gain your compliance. That's another issue. I don't know if you wanna go down that road.
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Well, it everything is germane because what we're talking about I think, like, when we start we start boiling it down, is it it's coercion, it's heavy handedness Yes. It's control. So yeah. You you you a little bit of, of of of the circus. You get a little bit of the bread. Right? Mhmm. In the meantime, they're controlling your movements. They were saying, hey. If you, if you leave the state, you come back, you have to quarantine for two weeks. Right. I remember that too. People. This is an airborne this is a airborne virus. It's everywhere.
Everyone's gonna be exposed to it. Right? But the the the whole narrative that was, created was full of false information. But the scariest thing to me, how how readily government officials were willing to just upset our lives. Shutting down schools for we were the only country in the world that shut down our schools. The only one. To detrimental effect. And, you know oh, absolutely. I mean, as far as, you know, stunting the social development of the kids. And the thing that just grates on me and just breaks my heart more than anything else, they wanted to close the schools. And I thought to myself, so you're gonna get every you want all the kids to have, like, a a laptop, and you want them to sit in front of a screen. I'm like, what about the special need kits?
Do you really think that these kids can actually sit in front of a monitor while you just half ass some sort of a a a an assignment? Mhmm. I mean, there there's there's no way, but no one mentioned it. No one mentioned it at all. And, man, I I could not get out of Washington State fast enough. Moved to Tennessee, my brother. So it's a free state. I'm not it's not like maybe the free straight state of Texas, but, so much more so much happier. But it's so what happens when it happens again? What are we gonna hoard? You know?
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I thought that was ridiculous too. Yeah. Everybody running out and getting toilet paper and and and what else? It was toilet paper and something else. Water, I think it was. Right? Water bottles.
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You couldn't buy haircutting scissors. Mhmm. You know? And then, of course, you're at you're at the grocery store, and everybody's handling everything. I mean, the virus was all over the place, and it was ridiculous. And, yes, it it gives the government a a, facade of doing the right thing, being in control. Our governor there kept on saying a million times, we're gonna follow the science. Well, how about the fact that children do not have any ill effects from this? They might be able to carry it like everybody else, but
[00:38:46] Unknown:
there's no danger. Kids could coulda could have gone to school. Well, how about the fact that there really was no science behind any of this stuff? The science that that that, that, that secretary Kennedy has has has recently been pointing out and bringing up was all negative. I I mean, not negative that it I mean, negative in the fact that it was bad for you. You should have known about these things. And the CDC under the previous leadership and the previous administration destroyed all that information. They suppressed that information. They kept it from the people. Right. So what science were you following? Do you know you know what I mean? What science were you really following?
There was no science behind it.
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It it was difficult for me in the book because I'm here I am writing a a a love story, if you would. And I have this cast of characters, pinna dolls and gear heads, and there's several different couples doing their thing. But all of a sudden, I'm like, wow, I gotta really take a heavy hand and I foreshadowed a lot of death. Well, not a lot of death, but I had it I had a touch I had a touch upon the subject where, you know, people's loved ones were go you know, people are going to the hospital. You couldn't see them. You know, my father died in December, '22.
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Mhmm.
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And he had all kinds of things wrong with him, but he had COVID when he passed away. And so automatically Yeah. Right? They can bill the government a lot more if you died of COVID as opposed to just having COVID. You could have been in a motorcycle wreck. And if you had COVID, you died of COVID because now you can, you know,
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they could charge three times as much to the federal gov I mean and so I know what you're saying. I I mean to interrupt you, but I know what you're saying because my dad my dad passed away at in December '22 also. And my dad, up until the day before he passed away, tested negative for COVID every COVID test they gave him until strangely enough after he died, he had COVID.
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Sure he did. Right. Exactly. Maybe he did.
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It's it's it's it was the biggest and why? Because the hospital was getting something like $40,000 per patient with COVID.
[00:41:08] Unknown:
Right. Follow the money. Right? Exactly. I was single at the time. So I'm writing this romance novel. I'm single. And they shut down the movie theaters. And as a man, it's like, for a hundred years, if I wanted to take a a girl out, dinner and a movie, standard. It that that is the default. If you got nothing else to that you can do, you go to a movie, and they shut down the movie houses. Mhmm. It's like what it it it was like bizarro world. Oh, the strip clubs world. It's like what we're gonna do. Go to a and and even in another thing and now I'm getting excited.
They were they were, encouraging people to narc on their, to narc on their neighbors and and whatnot. You know? Yeah. I remember that too. I I included that in the book because it just became draconian. It's like, are we really an East where, like, one out of every three people
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is an informant for the government? And the crazy thing is is how quickly and how easily people Yes. Complied with that.
[00:42:15] Unknown:
They loved it. Yeah. And I'm not I I I don't know what the explanation is. Is is it just they have power now or they think they're doing the right thing? Are are there people who are just, like, the government will never lie to me? Yeah. And they're just gonna stick to their guns?
[00:42:31] Unknown:
A lot of that a lot of that is people put blind faith in government thinking that government they have an altruistic view of government. They think government's in it for their best interest when government is not in it for for your best interest. Government could not care less about you as an individual. The only thing the government cares about you is how much money you're putting into the coffers through your taxes. That's all it is to them, is you are a number, Social Security number, and a tax revenue source. That's it. That's all you are. The government cares not about you.
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I I think Bobby Kennedy, is gonna be I I I wish him I wish him well. There's there there there's so many effed up things. He came out and said that, like, one out of every twenty boys have autism now. Yep. And he thinks it's from the vaccines. You know, there's, like, 70 different vaccines in the schedule. 78 vaccines
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by the time 78 vaccines by the time you're 18 years old.
[00:43:36] Unknown:
Right. And when we were growing up, you know, kids didn't have peanut allergies. No. Kids didn't, you know, I mean It was rare. Different things. It was very rare. Yeah. And and, you know, the all different kinds of, you know, truly, we are not a healthy country because of the way that our the medical establishment has been has been run. I mean, it's it's it's scary. It's it's it's it's very dicey. And so that ends up, being touched upon in the book. The book concludes in, June 2020. But it does show how it impacted parents, where all of a sudden you can't take your kid to the school, and and now what do you do?
You know? And, I don't even I don't even
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trust the casualty figures as far as how many people died. Well, you can't even say that. You can't you don't you nope. Like, senator senator Kennedy. Secretary Kennedy even said it at the at the hearing yesterday. He was grilled on that. He was castigated over it. How you as a HHS secretary, can can you say that you don't know how many people because all the data is corrupt. All the data is corrupted. So how can you possibly tell how many people died as a result of COVID directly, and how many people did because another question was, how many how many people were saved by the vaccine? Well, how can you know? You don't know. You can't know that. It's impossible. Why? Because all of the data has been corrupted. Anything negative was taken out and discarded and hidden and burned and thrown away and and never mentioned.
This is what he talked about at at the at at at the, at the hearing yesterday.
[00:45:28] Unknown:
I would bet that if you took a look at the number of people who died of heart disease for the last fifteen years. Right? That that number will be relatively stable or or some sort of cancer. Right? If you went back far enough, you could you could you could get a baseline of how many people are gonna die of, say, heart disease. Yes. I wanna see the data of how many people died of heart disease in 2020, '21, '22, '23, '24. I bet I'll bet you $50 right now that it that there was a dramatic decrease. There probably wasn't. Because it wasn't being counted like that because, and on and on it goes, and maybe we should just forget about the whole thing, like it never even happened.
Is that is there an element of that where we just it was too painful that we don't wanna
[00:46:22] Unknown:
think about it? There there are folks on the left that would love to have because I remember seeing articles being run out by some liberal rags talking about, you know, we need forgiveness. We all acted out of out of, you know, based on the available information, and and so we need to forgive one another for the things that were done and said during that period of time. No. No. You you were willing to to to and and and were were happy to to tell hospitals that if they don't have a if they don't have the vaccine, then just let them die in the hallway. Only treat people who are vaccinated.
You were you, you know, you pushed for that. You wanted that to happen. You know, you you you wanted to keep people who refused to get that clot shot any kind of a decent life. You wanted them locked down, locked up while you could go running around free. But in the meantime, you were the bigger spreader of this stupid thing in the first place.
[00:47:29] Unknown:
I've heard that rhetoric as well, where they're asking for forgiveness without first repenting of their sin. And there's there's a Right. The forgiveness formula. Right? Which, in other words, is as you forgive others. Right? But you have to admit that you did something wrong. You know? Otherwise, you're just money in the waters even more, and you don't wanna take personal responsibility. That's right. It's a great point. And, g, your policies were catastrophic to the country. You know, from from the origin story, onwards, it was just ridiculousness, and I hope we don't let it go as far as, you know, like, for example, the whole thing about where the how the virus was created, right, or how it how it how it came into being. Mhmm.
If it really came from a paraquen, whatever the hell that is in China, a bat or whatever it is, then show me a specimen of this animal with the virus.
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Which they can't because it's not where it came from. They they can't do it because it doesn't exist. That's right.
[00:48:43] Unknown:
And the whole thing was about the, the Chinese trying to develop a vaccine for, for, biological warfare. That's my belief. Because they didn't have a compunction as far as I mean, biological warfare goes is as old as warfare. You know? If you had people dying of the plague, you put them in a catapult and launch them over the damn wall. Yeah. I remember I remember reading about that stuff in history. Yeah. That Right. Right. Just just nasty. But, I mean, so that's what I that's what I think that they were doing, that they could they were trying to be able to inoculate their own troops so that if they invade some place, it's it's disgusting to think about, but why else are you doing it? Well, it's okay. Of I one of my chapters is called gain of function.
I threw that in there. I didn't want COVID to take over the novel. It it didn't do that, but I wanted to show how was it how it was impacting people's lives or the characters' lives and whatnot, and how it affected relationships and dating and I mean, this shit down car shows. It's outside. The car show is outside. Okay? And you're telling me that you can't go to a baseball game? You know?
[00:50:10] Unknown:
Do you remember that do you remember that ridiculous thing they did at the baseballs at the baseball games at the stadiums? They put cardboard cutouts of people in the stands to make it look like there were people that Yeah.
[00:50:20] Unknown:
Big heads. Right? Yeah. Oh, it was eerie as shit, man. That was yeah. And it just goes on and on and on, and it's like, what what does this mean? What does this mean? In other words, one catchphrase that people like to do, we gotta do we we we gotta work. We gotta find solutions so it never happens again. Everyone wants it to never happen again no matter what it is. Oh, the levers of power were so easily pulled. Mhmm. No resistance. I don't know.
[00:50:56] Unknown:
No resistance. And and they they even talk about it. They even said that there will be another pandemic. That that, like, they are certain that there's gonna be another pandemic. Sure. You know, they know it's coming because they're planning it. You know, whether it's during, this administration's, term or if it's the next administration coming in, you can be sure, especially if it's a Democrat coming in, because I think the Democrats are are are far more into the globalist agenda of depopulation and and and central control over every aspect, the the the the one world government, you know, the whole new world order thing. I think you have more of a chance of getting that with a Democrat right now than do anything on the on the conservative side of things, especially with the way the current administration is. And, you know, if if, the, the current vice president, JD Vance, runs and he he gets elected, you know, you might you'll have a reprieve for a little while, but, the groundwork is laid. It's there. They know how easy it is now to get people into compliance, you know, and, the systems are all in place. I know I I probably sound like a like a like a weird conspiracy theorist type of person, but it's just this is the truth. Oh, hell no. It's all there. You know, why do you think the truth. Why do you think they're pushing for CBDCs?
The central bank digital currencies. Why? Because if the government controls your money the way through like a digital currency, you have a digital wallet. There is no more cash. It's a cashless society. They can turn your they can turn your bank account on and off at will. You you commit the sin of wrong think, they can shut off your bank account. You can't buy. You can't sell. You can't do anything until you come into compliance with what the government says you have to be in compliance with. So, you know, all of those things were all floated, the vaccine passports, all of that stuff was all floated during COVID. It's there. The technology is there. They are pushing to do it. They're just they're just they just don't have a mechanism to drive it home.
That's why these things have stalled right now. But guarantee it, mark my words, they're they they will try it again, and, I'm hoping my hope is that people are more alert and more awake to the to the ideas, and and and and the tactics that are being used to to force this stuff on you, and we'll be able to resist. You know, one of the things I always told people during this whole pandemic thing was, you know, look, it's your choice. If you wanna get this, don't force it on me. If you wanna get the shot, go get the shot. I don't care. That's up to you. It's on you. My only thing is, do your research. Don't be the research.
[00:53:37] Unknown:
Yeah. It, if there's any one positive thing that happened throughout the whole thing, is it and from the characters in my book, they have to decide what is the most important thing. Right? Mhmm. When your back is up against a wall. Right? Travel restrictions, maybe you can't earn a living, maybe you gotta wait for the government to send you your check, you're just gonna sit in your house, And all this what is what where are your priorities Yeah. When it gets down to that? You know what I'm saying? Exactly. Hopefully, you've got a good basis. But I think what it might come down to is that the human pension to just want to control.
I wanna be in charge. I want you to be like a little marionette that I can just like a puppet on a on a on a on strings. And maybe I just hope that we can continue to have a conversation and talk about the, ramifications. You know? I had a a girlfriend who had a, her immune system was compromised.
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Mhmm.
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And so she took her dog and moved out suddenly because she needed to quarantine. And the lease was the lease was done. I lost my job. I was furloughed. I became a country song. I'm like, oh my god. I am I'm not a I'm not a I'm not a person who suffers from depression. I love the Lord. You know? And it's like, what else is gonna happen? Is my dick gonna fall off? What's gonna what's the next thing the bad thing that's gonna happen? And people were people were dying. I mean, how many, obviously, additional people succumb to the to the virus, but, like you said, the data is corrupted.
And you start feeling like a conspiracist, if I'm saying that correctly. So everything that the government is telling us is bullshit? Mhmm. I don't know.
[00:55:48] Unknown:
Yep. I I became a conspiracy factualist. That's what it is now. Yeah. Yeah. Because because every because you think about it, every conspiracy theory that that was floated during that whole period of time is now all being proven true.
[00:56:03] Unknown:
Yeah. And I and I think that I read something about how the CDC, those jokers, they came from the camp of vaccines. It's how you do it. And and they and they started by make developing the AIDS vaccines.
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Mhmm.
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And they wanted to do the same basic model through this pandemic, but they completely ignored the palliative things. In other words, how do you prevent it? You know? Maybe maybe you take some more vitamin d. Maybe you need to, you know, hydroxychloroquine
[00:56:45] Unknown:
has been an anti malarial drug for seventy five years. Mhmm. You know? It it's readily available, but no. No. No. No. No. You can't have the good stuff. No. Because it worked. That's why. No. We need to Because it worked? Because we no. We need you to test this. We need to make see if this works. So so you can't have the good stuff, ivermectin. No. That's horse medication. You can't do that, you know, but Right. Oh my gosh. I mean, brother, we can go on and on and on and on about this. Our next guest is, just checked in, so I'm we're gonna have to start to wrap this up here. So, No problem. So as we as we wrap this up, so what do what do you hope that the audience takes away from from this conversation that we had tonight?
[00:57:29] Unknown:
Continue the conversation. If we blow it off, right, if we do not hold people accountable for their policy decisions, It's just gonna make it that much easier for them to replicate this at at when there's another emergency. Mhmm. You know? They can't take away our freedom of speech or assembly or just to be able to make a living. But they sure as heck tried. And, although it's painful, we have to continue to to look at this and see what happens because we gotta we gotta get to the truth to it. Because it'll just be that much harder for people to snow us under the next time. And for those people who who I don't know.
But, anyway, the the the COVID wasn't what the novel was about. It it was a love story, and there was, there was romance, not too spicy, you know, nothing nothing, you know, that was good. Your your mom could read my book. Well, your mother passed away. My mother passed away too, during that time frame too. But, anyway.
[00:58:43] Unknown:
Alright. Well Thank you for having me. Hey. No problem. So where can the audience go to find out more about your work?
[00:58:49] Unknown:
Kennydupar.com. You can see, you can get, a free chapter either through the, through Audible. I also narrated the, both books. Or you can go to my YouTube channel, just Kenny Dupar, and see some of the ridiculousness
[00:59:09] Unknown:
that I do. I never told you about the bulldozer thing. No. You didn't. But our guest is I gotta get to the next guest. So Okay. Well, I'm sorry. I have a lot of fun. I'm on a hard one. I'm sorry. I wanted to hear this. Contact you. I'll have to drop you a line later. Okay? Yeah. You will. But, actually, what we'll do is we'll get you on the show again, and we'll, we'll we'll we'll get to other stuff other than the COVID stuff. And, we'll talk more about your book. We'll tell more of these great stories. And we there's so many more things. I had I had a whole bunch of questions for you, but, this was a great conversation. I really appreciate it. And, we'll have you on again.
[00:59:41] Unknown:
Thank you. It was a really
[00:59:44] Unknown:
cool way to spend a Friday night. I appreciate it. Thanks, brother. Have a great one. Alright, folks. Kenny DuParr. Make sure you check him out on his website, and, we will let's see. One of you got gotta go. So Kenny yeah. There you go. Alright. So these are the joys of live shows. Joys of doing a live show. So so again, folks, Kenny Dupar, so make sure you check him out on his website and, check out his book. Great conversation. We really enjoyed that. Well, jumping right into the fray is, our next guest. I really needed to go use the restrooms.
If you wanna take a break, I can, you know Yeah. Give me just give me a second. You can hang out there. It's gonna run to the restroom really quick. And, again, the the joys of live, man. Yes, sir. Get you. Absolutely. So, folks, this is The Joe Russo. It is a live show, weeknights, seven PM central time. Don't forget to like, subscribe, share it, and make sure you make sure you like it because that helps with the algorithm, gets it spread out a little bit, a little bit more than what we have been, and, we can, hopefully grow our audience. So we'll be back in just give me two minutes. I'll be right back. Alright. Actually, Dave, if you if you wanna take the helm for a few minutes here while I do this, I can turn the show over to you. I know you're experienced in podcasts, so I don't have anything to worry about.
[01:01:00] Unknown:
Sure. I'll I'll I'll I'll bust out the guitar, sing a couple songs. We'll be good. Alright. Sounds great. I'll be back in a second, folks. Thanks. That's always fun. Live shows are always a you never know what you're gonna get. And I do a live show every Saturday morning called Ask the Podcast Coach. And what's fun about that one is I am just crazy enough to have a link that people can click on and jump into the show. And so that's a lot of trust between me and my audience, and I've only had probably, I had one kid from Russia that kept showing up with no shirt on. This is back on a platform called Blab.
And I'd be like, yeah. We're not Blab. This is Ask the Podcast Coach. Do you have any podcasting questions? And, like, I don't understand why Blab. And I'm like, I'm I'm not your tech support. So I kept kicking him out, and he would just keep coming back in. And then I had one guy that, came on, and he wouldn't turn on his camera. That's always a sign that something some shenanigans are about to happen. And so, you know, I I bring him on and I let him in. Now I'll I'll tell you what happens when I do this now. But I bring him on, and I'm like, hey. You're on with Dave and Jim. You know, what's your podcasting question? And he turns on his camera and takes a huge hit out of a bong and blows it into his camera.
And I was like, okay. Well, thank you for your question. So now if I I you've done this enough to, like, I will, if somebody comes on and their cameras you know, you can tell very quickly. I we call it being baba buoyed for those of you that remember Howard Stern. And, so
[01:02:55] Unknown:
live is always fun. Loads of fun. Loads of fun. Yeah. And I'm glad I'm wearing pants today. So
[01:03:00] Unknown:
There you go. What was funny because I was like the when I turned the camera on, it's like, you're gonna go on. And I'm like, no. I think I'm still backstage. I didn't wanna interrupt your previous guest. And as soon as I did that, I was like, wasn't lying. I'm going on stage. I was like,
[01:03:14] Unknown:
Yeah. That's that's it. So, I got I gotta do this really quick. So folks, hey, podhome.fm is our host platform for the audio side of the podcast. So podhome.fm is the most modern and easy to use podcast hosting platform you can get out there on the market today. You can use it to publish your episodes, enhance your audio, automatically generate transcripts, chapters, titles, show notes, and more. And you can even podcast live. And another great benefit too is if you don't have a website for your podcast, well, podhome.fm will provide you one at no additional charge and also help you maintain it and update it and keep it going.
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It will really help your podcast. So podhome.fm. Try it out for free for thirty days, and then just $15.99 a month. So it's podhome.fm podhome.fm. Alright. Well, Dave Jackson is joining us here. So, so we're we're getting back into the whole host thing here. So, through through many setbacks, he ended up building his own podcasting empire. Dave Jackson started 2005 rebuilding from divorce, bankruptcy, living in his brother's basement. He saw podcasting as a potential to change lives and launched the school of podcasting, which, by the way, I have checked out. Adam Curry referred me to you when, I reached out to him when I was doing my last podcast.
So that's some really good information out of that. He built the first membership site for aspiring podcasters, and then after losing his teaching job in 02/2014, he joined Libsyn, which which is one of the top podcast hosting companies that are on the market. Dave's podcast won best technology in 2017 and 02/2020. And in 02/2018, he joined the Academy of Podcasters Hall of Fame. He has a great book on the market right now called Profit from Your Podcast, which shares proven strategies to turn listeners into income. Dave empowers thousands to launch and grow podcasts. And, Dave, it is a true honor to have you on the show tonight. I have been wanting to talk to you for a long time, man.
[01:05:50] Unknown:
Well, Joe, thanks for having me. It's Yeah. You mentioned, Adam, we gonna we go back to the early or in fact, Adam was the reason I got into podcasting when I first heard about it, And I downloaded this software. It was called Juice, and it had a big picture of a lemon on it. And the the default m p three file that came with it, I clicked on it like, hey, everybody. This is Adam Curry from MTV. I was like, hey. I I know that dude. And that was enough to kinda get me involved, and, I was part of Mevio back in the day and pod show and, just saw him a couple weeks ago in Dallas. So Oh, yeah. He's a very tall man. So
[01:06:27] Unknown:
and a really good guy. Yeah. Actually, I emailed him when I started this podcast. I met him. I was doing a a Bible study podcast, actually, and it was mostly just, just audio because I had figured out I I really didn't wanna do video, but Yeah. That just seems to be the way everything's going, so I kinda jumped on that a little bit. But, I had reached out to him, when I started doing this podcast and and I because I'd like I said, I meant I spoke to him briefly with the other one. I invited him to come on the show, and he never answered. So I know he's crazy.
[01:07:00] Unknown:
I've been lucky enough to have him on my show once, and I forget what he would he had something to promote. But he's a hard guy. He's a busy guy, and everybody and their brother wants him on the show, but I got lucky one time. And I think the only reason that happened is because I had worked for him at at POD Show back in the day, so we kinda and we knew of each other, and we bump into each other in this Well, that makes sense. Yeah. So That makes sense. But So I have a couple of basic questions I always ask every guest when they come on the show. So,
[01:07:30] Unknown:
so the first one is, what is something about yourself that most people don't know but should?
[01:07:37] Unknown:
That's a good question. The is I'm an open book, so I think I always feel like everybody knows everything about I think the one that most people don't they don't believe it, but it's true, is that underneath this exterior of Dave Jackson, an introvert. Mhmm. And and I'm much I'm getting better at that, but I event last week in Cleveland. And I get my name badge and that whole nine yards, and I look over, and there are all these tables with people and stuff. And I literally picked the furthest chair away from everybody. And I I as I was sitting down, I pull out my laptop. I'm like, oh, look. You're you're doing that introverted thing again. And I was just like, alright. Now I just kinda mentally grabbed myself by the neck and, like, come on. You can go say hi to somebody. You know? Yeah. So, in fact, I I had a friend of mine that showed up later, and I I I'm kind of lucky enough that I've been doing this long enough that if I see a group of, I don't know, eight people, I'm probably gonna know one of those eight people. And so I said, hey. Have you ever met, you know, Lou Mangelo? And he's like, no. And I'm like, oh, come here. So I I wasn't thinking. I was helping out my friend. It wasn't let's go talk to people.
And so I go up and I'm like, hey. And I lose like, hey, Dave. What's going on? Like, hey. You guys know Shane? He's like, no. So I introduce everybody and that whole nine yards. He and he said, I thought you were an introvert. I'm like, I'm I'm pretending I'm not right now. I go, it's just something I I do. So
[01:09:08] Unknown:
Yeah. I I remember reading something, years ago about podcasters that that the most podcasters are actually introverts, and a lot of podcasters are actually very antisocial. But I guess I guess when the microphone's on and or cameras in front of them, it it it's like a different person that comes forward.
[01:09:26] Unknown:
Yeah. It it it's weird that on one hand, it's a great way to meet a lot of people without beating a lot of people. Mhmm. And it's once I get to know you, then I won't shut up. Okay. But it's that initial kinda like and I still I mean, I was a teacher for years, so I was, you know, made a living speaking in public. Mhmm. And but even though and I've done you know, I I I talk all the time. When I'm getting ready to go on a stage, like, at Podcast Movement, a couple weeks ago, my hands turn wider than they normally are and start to sweat. And I'm like, oh, it must be five minutes till. Yep. Okay. Well, this is normal. And then the minute I start, I'm fine. Yeah. It's it's crazy that I I get like that too. I I believe it or not, I've I've been doing I've been doing this kind of stuff
[01:10:11] Unknown:
since 02/2015, 02/2016. Before I really knew what podcasting was or podcasting was like a, I guess, popular name or term being used at the time, I did what they called Internet radio. And, I did that back I was I I'm I'm from New York originally. I'm I'm transplanted here in Texas for about ten years now. But, I was I was up in New York, still living in New York, and, me and two of my friends decided we were gonna do this Internet radio show. One of the guys that we we worked with, his name is Joe also. He, he he had a professional broadcast studio in his basement, and he hosted a number of different shows. They would come through. They would rent time from him for the studio, and, you know, they have full access to everything.
And, he he let us use the studio as long as we let him on the show, and he wouldn't charge us. So There you go. So it was great because because it worked out. See, I I I was the more serious conservative voice of the show, and my friend Jay was the more, liberal voice of the show. And then there was the other Joe who we used to call him the voice of God because, you know, he just we would Jay and I would be arguing, and then all of a sudden out of nowhere, you hear this voice come, you know, and it would just kinda, like, quiet the whole room. And, and he was the he was the more libertarian voice, so we had a good good range. Good mix. But we didn't but we didn't, like, focus on politics, like, as a serious discussion. It was we we spent more time making fun of politicians and making fun of political things than actually, like, doing analysis and breaking it all down. And, you know, we had a lot of fun. And, probably one of the best compliments that we had during that time was that, somebody had said that when they listen to us, they feel like they're hanging out in the backyard, you know, with a bunch of the guys having a beer just talking about bullshit.
And, you know, to me, that's exactly what I wanted. You know, that was my vision for that. Yeah. Fast forward now, moved here. Technology really wasn't that great at the time like it is now, or at at least at the level it is now where you could do remote, shows like this. So we ended up, you know, pulling the plug on it because I moved down here, and then they didn't continue on with it. I tried doing it by myself, for a little bit, but it just wasn't the same. I just didn't, you know, didn't like doing it. I don't Yeah. I don't really like recording shows because for myself, I I know myself well enough that I know I get lazy with recording.
I know that if I have a live show scheduled, I have to be prepared. I have to be ready to go. I can't I, you know, I can't say, well, I'll do it later. I don't have time right now. I you know, whatever. I have to be ready to go, so it's like a discipline thing for me. And, you know, I I know I don't have a big following on the on the video right now. I don't have, like, tens of people watching at the moment, but, you know, I don't really that doesn't bother me. You know? I I enjoy what I'm doing, and I look I look forward to doing this every day. I look forward to connecting with the people that I've connected with, and, you know, going forward. One of the things that I I picked up from your website, and listened to a couple of shows that you've been on, talking about, you know, understanding the reasons why you're doing your podcast.
And, you know, you know, unfortunately for me, some of the reasons that you gave that you shouldn't be doing it is some of the reasons that I have is that, you know, eventually, I would like to be successful enough to where I can focus on doing this, but it's not for I mean, I would love it to be, like, the source of income for me to do because I love doing it. I just love interacting with folks. I love just expressing ideas. Like, when this show started, I had no intention of it being like this whatsoever. When I started this show back in November, it was, I'll do it once in a while. I was taking a break from the Bible study podcast because I ran into what I call preacher's block. I couldn't come up with anything fresh and new, and I didn't wanna recycle stuff. And so, took a break from that, and I said, well, with this one, I'm just gonna do it once in a while. I'll, you know, whenever I get an itch to do something, I'll I'll throw something together. I'll record this. I don't wanna do that, but I'll record it. And then somehow, someway, it became, well, from whenever to well, at least one day a week, and then it became two days a week, and then it became three, and so on and so forth. And now I'm doing six shows a week.
And, tired.
[01:14:37] Unknown:
Well, that's it. And anytime I hear somebody go, oh, I'm gonna start a daily show, in my head, I'm going, you're probably, because when you do daily, daily turns into three times a week, turns into two times a week Yeah. To week, sometimes turns into twice a month. And I always say that the best thing to do, if you're starting out, you can there are free tools like Toggle, t o g g l, clockify.me. You know, you use your phone. But as you're doing your research, when you're recording the interview, time it. When you're editing the interview, time it. When you Right. Notes. Time. And then, basically, you get done and you're like, wow. That, you know, forty five minute pass took me fourteen hours. And then ask yourself, do you have fourteen hours a week to do a podcast?
Mhmm. No. And I'm like, well, then either the show's gonna get shorter or you're going twice a week, whatever it is because that's the the the problem I see is people try their life into their podcast. That is backwards. Your life is more important. So figure out what your life is and then go, well, can I do once a week if it's, you know, eight hours or whatever? And then you fit your podcast into your life. But when you try to do the opposite and you put your podcast first, seven episodes later, you're down crispy, and your wife's ready to leave you, and the kids don't recognize you anymore, and you're
[01:15:57] Unknown:
work. Yeah. I I could understand that. Thank god. That's why I'm I'm in a lot of ways, I'm I'm thankful that I'm single. You know?
[01:16:06] Unknown:
That's you and me both. It's like we just go, well, how do you do this all the time? I go, real simple. I go, sounds like a joke, but it's the truth. No wife, no kids, no pets. Yeah. I go, you know, I feel like Cartman. I do what I want. You know?
[01:16:20] Unknown:
Well, I have pets, so they're they're in another room. They're they're my babes. And, Yeah. But, but the other the other part of it is too is a lot of people don't consider is the fact that you, you know, if I'm doing the podcast, you know, I do have another job. And, you know, I do a forty hour a week job. I I work in health care. I I I'm the I'm a director for facility maintenance and life safety at a nursing home. So I'm on call twenty four seven. It is incredibly frustrating when I'm in the middle of doing a show and I see my work phone beeping and vibrating that there's something going on. It's like, but, but, you know, it it does take a lot of time. And usually what I do is is and, again, I don't know how it happens, but, you know, the my lunch hour is when I do my show prep.
That's it. You know? It it takes me an hour. I go through everything. Now I've been fortunate or blessed out of however you wanna look at it that the last well, since August September yeah. Since since no. I'm sorry. Since June. The June all the way through till now, I've really only had guests. I haven't had to actually do, a show prep like, like, pull up news articles, clips, and audio, and video, and all that stuff. Yeah. And I have a I have a great I have a great help. I I have a I have a lady who helps me. Her name is Angela. She's, I call her anonymous Angela. There's a reason for that. It's a long story. But anonymous Angela, she I I call her she's my producer, basically.
And, you know, she she's a big help to me. She helps me get background on on guests. She helps me formulate, questions, and she helps me format everything. Takes a huge amount of time, but not everybody has that. Right. You know, a lot of people that you have to do it by yourself, and it's it's it's stressful.
[01:18:06] Unknown:
Well, when I was married, we sat down one time and said, like, what do you need? And I how about Tuesday night after dinner, Thursday night after dinner, and Sunday till noon? And I go, and then the rest of the time, I'm yours. And she and I really expect her to push back because she she was not a fan of podcasting. And she went, okay. And I was like, okay. And she cool. I can do that. And so what I would do is, I too had a day job. So I would be, you know, on my lunch, whatever it was. I use an app now called note Notejoy. Back then, I was using Evernote, but I had it everywhere. You know, do it on a any computer. I could get to it on my phone or tablet or whatever. So I was doing my thoughts. And so then on Tuesday and Thursday and Saturday, I would come in. I would turn off, you know, no YouTube, no Facebook, no social media, head down, focused. Let's record. Let's edit. And and then I was amazed at how efficient I could be when I had to, which is funny now because I record my stuff on Sundays.
I'll get home from shirt, and I've got from, you know, 01:00 to midnight to get this done. And there are publishing it at 11:45 because I had this much time, and that's how much time I took. If I really need you know, if there was a birthday party I had to get to or something that was family or a I can do that same job that it just took me eight hours to do, I can do in three because I have to. So that's just a discipline that you know? And sometimes there I'm like, hey. You know what? I don't feel like putting my head down and just pushing on through. I'm gonna take my time with this today. So Yeah. But you you can do a lot of times, sir, I'm amazed that, you know, I don't watch I never watch live TV. In fact, last night, I caught myself watching a live football game. I'm like, why are you watching this live? Gonna sit through, you know, commercials now, and I can know, I don't really have a dog in that hunt anyway.
And so I, you know and what am I missing? Reruns of Friends that I've already seen six times, Seinfeld and Housewives of Poughkeepsie. You know? You can watch Seinfeld over and over and over again and still get a good laugh out of it. Yeah. So it's, it takes a little practice and discipline and you know? But that for me if I'm if I'm at, I don't know, Walmart, and there's a big line and there's no lines open, I'm like, alright. I'm open to my phone, and I'm open up Notejoy
[01:20:33] Unknown:
and jotting down thoughts and organizing, and this is what I'm gonna do when I get in front of a microphone. Yeah. I do something similar to that. Like, throughout the course of the day, I'm I'm I'm listening to other podcasts, like, because, like, originally, I wanted to do news commentary and and opinion and stuff like that. So I'm listening to all that stuff, also because, you know, sometimes guests don't show up. You know, you book and, and, you know, I'm doing a live show, so it's not like you know, once I start the stream, I'm not gonna sit I don't wanna sit there looking like a fool. Right. So, so I I do show prep. I I'll I'll get I'll have articles. I have stuff all lined up on the other side of my screen right now just in case either yourself or or our first guest wasn't able to show up. I have had something to fall back into.
But I do the same thing. I'm, you know, I'm listening to stuff, and I'm getting ideas. I'm getting thoughts. Alright. Well, I have to check I'll make a note for myself on my phone. Alright. I have to check this article out. I have to download this. I have to read this and, you know, try to get that clip and get that clip and and whatnot. It's it's a process. It's a it's a lot of work. It's it's a lot more work than what I think what a lot of people think that there is.
[01:21:38] Unknown:
Yeah. I know I do a live show on Saturday called Ask the Podcast Coach, and every day, I'm going to Reddit. And the problem is really any form. I don't wanna pick on Reddit, but Reddit or Facebook, it's the same six questions. It's, you know, how do I start? What's the best microphone? What's the best host? How do I grow this thing, and how do I make money? Those are the every week, everybody's asking that. So I can't do another episode where we, you know, nail those six questions. So it's looking for something different. And I'm the same way. Now I I have, I feel, the best chat room, like, on well, not on the Internet because that would be no agenda. But, anyway Yes. It's one of the square where Great show. Really we have, like, 30 people show up every Saturday. They say we are the new, you know, Saturday morning cartoons. And a lot of times, they'll just feed us questions.
But I'm always, you know, ready in the event that nobody shows up. That, okay. I can cover these six questions. I've got a cohost, and we can kinda banner back and forth, and and we're good to go because I never assume people are gonna show up. So it's it's tricky, and that's the part that you you talked about the discipline and being ready. So it's Saturday morning. I would love to sleep in. Mhmm. But, you know, I get up at eight and start doing show prep about nine, and we go live at 10:30. And it's like, okay. It's, there's a a movie about Saturday Night Live,
[01:22:56] Unknown:
and they said, we don't start because we're ready. We start because it's 11:30. Like, this is the goodest it's gonna get. Yeah. And that's that makes that's makes a ton of sense, especially if you're doing a live show. You know? Yeah. You you got it. You it's time to go. Whether you're ready or not, you gotta you gotta do it. And nothing beats live because the thing I love about it
[01:23:15] Unknown:
is I'm getting instant feedback from listeners. And so I can throw a question out to them, and they'll, you know, answer thirty seconds later in a chat. Because the numbers of downloads, like, you know, quadruple the people that show up live. Yeah. But a lot of times, what I will do is I will get feedback from, you know, the live audience, And I go, and I'll I'll give my off the cuff answer to that. But later, I'll be like, you know what? I'm gonna go back and revisit that question, and I'm gonna use it over on the school of podcasting show, kinda put it back in the oven, let it bake a little bit. And, like, okay. I didn't really think about it this way or that way. So I get a lot of great ideas from that live show that I then use later on another show. Yeah. That's that's a great idea, actually. See, my my my trouble is and I'm seeing this. I'm gonna start picking your brain as as as the school of podcasting professor here. See, my thing is, like, my audio downloads are are really good.
[01:24:11] Unknown:
I do really well with the audio stuff. My video stuff is not so great right now.
[01:24:15] Unknown:
That's probably normal. See, we there's a really big company called YouTube with a really big budget and a really big megaphone, And they're telling everyone, you have to be on video. You're an idiot if you're not doing video. Video is the future. It's here. Well, who's saying that? YouTube. Okay. Well, why are they saying that? Because there's this little company called TikTok that started biting a pretty big chunk of their lunch. And they're like, hey. We, we gotta do something about this TikTok thing. We gotta get people talking about YouTube. And so I picture, like, a big, you know, office, you know, meeting. Like, what are we gonna do? And they're like, Larry, what do you got? Larry's like, I don't know. Podcasting's hot.
Brilliant, Larry. Okay. That's it. All the YouTubers, we're gonna tell them they're podcasters. And then somebody said, wait. Are we gonna give them an RSS feed? And they're like, no. We're YouTube. We can't do that. Mhmm. But they told everybody they're a podcast, and I love the fact now that they'll have headlines. Like, video podcasts, better known as YouTubers Mhmm. Are taking off on YouTube. And I'm like, wait. So you're you're saying YouTubers are doing great on YouTube. I'm like, wait. What? So it's, but Bill Maher, when I worked at Libsyn, launched Club Random, and Bill only wanted to do video. And we're like, Bill, you should probably do audio because, like, it's audio. And he's like, no. I don't wanna. We finally talk him into it. He launches the show, hires a PR agency to only promote the video.
And so a couple months later, we look at the stats. Audio outperformed the video 15 to one. And you're like, wait. How is that? Because I can't watch your video in the car. I can't watch your video while I'm walking the dog or washing the dishes. Right. But audio is a great thing to do while your eyes are busy. So there's there's just more opportunities to listen. So I always tell people, because I I have people, like, oh, I wanna start a podcast, and they'll tell me their idea. And I'm like, that's brilliant. Let's go. And they're like, oh, I don't wanna do video. And I'm like, you don't have to do video. And they'll go, no. Everybody says you have to do video. Go, everybody's name is YouTube. And, of course, they're saying that. That makes sense to them. They wanna run ads against your stuff. I go, but start off with audio. If you only wanna do audio, then add video down the road. But, you know, you don't have to be camera ready. You didn't have to you don't have to wear pants, you know, if you're just doing audio only. And so it's, I I I have a YouTube channel. I'm not as consistent as I should be on there.
And I just love the fact that I can fire up a microphone and not shave and go to town and you know? So it's it's I always say there's the main stage at Coachella, and then there's the side stages, and YouTube is a side stage. It's not you're not gonna grow your main audience, but you're growing an additional audience. People that because some people like to, you know, watch. Some people like to listen. Some people like to read. That's why I write blogs. So you're you're kinda meeting different audiences that like the same topic. They just want it in a different format.
[01:27:02] Unknown:
Yeah. That makes a lot of sense too. I like, I have a I have a YouTube channel. I don't I I hardly ever put anything on a YouTube channel only because, when I was doing it more consistently, I did a show with, my one of my sponsors, Ezra Healing, and, they didn't like that we were discussing alternative treatments for cancer, and so they they gave me a strike and removed my content. Mhmm. Yeah. Well, welcome to YouTube. Yeah. Exactly. So, so I I stopped sending stuff to YouTube. I just cut it off. The funniest thing was is that all of a sudden, I stopped doing that. Now I'm getting followers on YouTube. Interesting. Yeah. It it's it's very, very strange. Like, I I think I went from from 15 to 30 something in the last week.
[01:27:49] Unknown:
Yeah. And I I know everybody goes, but, Dave, the algorithm. They have the algorithm over there, and they do. And I go, what's the algorithm again? It's like, well, it's Google, so they know everything about you, and then they recommend things you like. And I go, oh, I have one of those. They're like, what? I go, yeah. I have an algorithm. His name is Doug. He's been my older brother my entire life. And I go and he he knows me really well and recommends things. And when he recommends something, like, it's always a good recommendation. I go, so just do something that inspires your audience to recommend it to their friends, and that is easier said than done.
[01:28:24] Unknown:
Yeah. Very, very true. Very, very true to that. I, I'm like I said, I'm really happy with my numbers on the down on the audio side. Yeah. Great. I would like to see the the video stuff pick up a little bit because I invested a lot of money in it. So so yeah.
[01:28:38] Unknown:
Well, that's the other thing. When I hear these people, you know, you can start a audio podcast with an $80 microphone and a $20 media host. Or what was, what's, podhome.fm? What? $15, I think you said. $15.50 99 a month. Yeah. So it's it's nothing that's gonna break the bank, but I see these people on Reddit. They're asking how to asking. They're doing a three camera shoot and, you know, lights and a switcher, and you're like, you're only gonna $2. You know? And then if you then they wanna go out and buy, you know, DSLR cameras. And I'm like, oh, you know? And then you find out a month later that this isn't for you. I'm like, you could've started with audio and an iPhone. You know what I mean? It's like
[01:29:15] Unknown:
I I love into the deep end. I love audio podcasts. I do. I I love that. That's I listen to them a lot. Like, again, especially like you said, you know, I you can't always watch. You know? So Right. So I I a lot of the shows that I that I do follow on the video side also have audio an audio version of the show. And when I'm at work, you know, and I'm and I'm in a place where I can, I, you know, pop in a headphone and an earbud, and I and I listen as I'm going through stuff? But I I like the idea of the audio. I've always always did it. Like, when we were doing the Internet radio stuff, I'd love the idea of just radio, that style. So with my show, I don't know if you had a chance to check out any of the episodes that I've done. It's it's very much in the radio style.
[01:29:59] Unknown:
Yep. I heard that. So,
[01:30:01] Unknown:
which I I like that. That's my thing. It's like I sometimes I think a lot of these video casts are are just so sterile. They're just, you know, quick, sharp, you know, everything is bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and well and well produced. I'm a one man show here. You know? I'm I'm running the board. I'm, like, I'm sure like you too. You know? I'm running the boards. I'm running the the the feeds. I'm checking all the stuff out. You know? It's
[01:30:25] Unknown:
Yeah. Saturday morning, it it's one of those where I'm like, I'm kinda glad I'm ADD because I'm I got my thumb on the stream deck as I'm reading the chat, trying to make sure that I got my note joy up so I question. Meanwhile, I'm listening to my my cohost. Mhmm. And what's funny, both admitted that there are times when we are so distracted on what's gonna happen next. The his name's Jim Collison. I'll be like, what do you think, mister Collison? And he'll go, what was it you're like, he's just, what was what was the question? What what? You know? So it's, it's tricky. And, but, yeah, I mean, I grew up I I'm in, Akron, Ohio. I grew up listening to, WMMS in Cleveland.
And in the seventies, I mean, they discovered Springsteen and Rush, and it was a great station. And Yeah. Kid Leo and Denny Sanders, you knew the the DJs. And you knew, like, some DJs played more this kind of rock and others played this kind of rock because back then, you could pick the stuff. It wasn't all corporate. And so I think anybody with that. I mean, when I first started doing the live show, I had this enormous mixer so I could because I had to do back then well, you still do it. It just technology does it for you now, but there's this thing called mix minus. So I had to have one because I had a, I had two computers where people could actually call in a number because I wanted to be Phil Donahue. Okay. And, so I had this thing. So I'd have one mix that went to my cohost that had everybody but him, and then I had another mix that went to the caller that had everybody but the caller. Otherwise, it's just this echo nightmare. And I had it all set up, and we get maybe two callers a month because we were doing it streaming live to YouTube or whatever platform, and that's when I discovered my audience wants to put their question in via chat. Yeah. And it didn't matter. I had jingles. You know? Just call this number. Beep beep beep beep beep beep. You know? And it was, you know, one of those things that wasn't gonna break the bank, but it was probably $20 a month for the phone number and the this and the the board was taking up half my desk. And I was like, you know, the audience wants to ask their questions via chat. I still have a a link. If you wanna jump into the video, you can. But it's 10:30 in the morning on a Saturday. Who's right who's camera ready at 10:30 in the morning on a Saturday?
[01:32:41] Unknown:
Not many people. No. No. Yeah. So it's, you you kinda and these are the things the only way you learn them is by doing it. You know? And you sell you sell the board on eBay and, you know, like, alright. Well, that didn't work, but at least I can say I tried it. Yeah. When we we did the radio we did the Internet radio show back in New York, we had a a call in number. And, you know, we would get and we only did the show one night a week. It was a it was a two hour show on a Wednesday night, and, we had a core group of folks that would listen. And then we were also simultaneously streaming on, like, two other networks, Internet radio networks. So we got some crossover from that. But well, we used to take phone calls. And if if we if we got two calls a night, it was it was lucky. And Yeah. Nine out of 10 times, it was one of our friends, you know, listening while he's drinking and, you know, he's hammered.
You know, so
[01:33:31] Unknown:
That's the best. Yeah. Yeah. No. They're great. And and now because I use a Roadcaster, and now they have this two new technology where you can have people call in via either you you can put a QR code on the screen and Yeah. They can join that way or there's a couple other different but it's funny because I'm you're back to the same old radio things because you've heard a live radio show where they go, please turn down your speakers. Mhmm. Please turn down your speakers. And it's the same thing now. They'll they'll be on YouTube, and I'll be like, hey. You're on with Dave and Jim, and there's just silence until you hear my voice come out of their speakers about twenty seconds later saying, hey. And then they'll answer, and I'm like so now I'm the guy like, hey. Can you please mute the YouTube tab on your browser? Can you please you know? And I'm like, well, you know, we've gone full circle now. But and even that, it's it's a novelty thing. We had a couple people when we first announced it, but they're back to I wanna put the questions in the chat. I'm like, well, it's it's at least I'm getting, you know, some interaction. It'd be it's it's really no fun. The early days of the live show, it was like me just talking to nobody, and that's, that's a whole other skill. Well, that's that's kinda kinda what I do. Yeah. You know? If I don't have a guest, that's what I'm doing. Because, I mean, I get some interaction,
[01:34:47] Unknown:
with some of the some of the listeners, and the viewers. I get more, like, on the specialty shows that I do. Like, on on a Tuesday, I I I do a a show just me and the CEO of Ezra Healing, my sponsor, one of my sponsors. And, so I get a lot of people that jump in on that. And then, every every other Saturday, I do a show with, I have I call her my my resident crypto psychic. So, she comes on, and she has a huge following on other show social media platforms. So a lot of her folks follow her to our show. So, like, we get some more interactions there and and, obviously, the downloads are much more. So but but during a regular show like this, I mean, I'm I'm looking at the live chat right now. There's nothing.
There's nothing in there. And what also kinda cracks me up too is when you look at some of these things, like, like, I have, two two hundred and sixty plus, followers on Rumble right now Mhmm. Which is great because I I jumped significantly over the last couple weeks. Yeah. But I only have 11 people watching right now.
[01:35:55] Unknown:
You know? Well, that's about right. Let's let's do the math. It's always fun to do math live. So if I take Go right ahead. 11 and divide that by you said how many? 260? Two seven two sixty nine. See, that's we'll just call it two seventy to make it easy. Mhmm. That is 4%, and that's about normal. When I, wrote my book on podcast monetization, it kept coming up was 3%. Mhmm. And when I I lucked out, I got to go to the one of those tiny concerts when I when they had podcast movement in DC, ended up going to NPR headquarters, which was kinda wild. And I forget some short little country singer, but that was wild. But at the end, you kinda walk out to this outdoor patio thing they have. And I just happen to be sitting down to the guy that does the NPR plus program, so that's kind of their Patreon.
And I said, I'm not trying to get in your wallet. Like, percentage wise, what percent of your audience is is taking action? A little over 1%. And when I talk to the people at Teachable, which is a really popular they said 2%. The people I talked to in my book are 3%. Those were like, if I could get half my audience to give me $5, you're like, you're not getting 50%. Yeah. I don't know. It's a stat I hate, but it's just it is what it is, you know. So,
[01:37:17] Unknown:
it's hard when And I'm still working out talking about monetization. I'm still working out how how to do this in a in a in a better way. Like, I have I have I have two spot two official sponsors. I have Podholme and Ezra Healing. Both of them contribute. And then I have, well, I started I copied what, what they did, over on no agenda with the producers. So I have I have associate producer, producer, and executive producer in different tiers, and it's not, it's not a lot. That's like for a producer, it's it's $17.76 a month, for for a a a that's the associate producer. For a producer, it's $18.36.
So you got US Independence, and you have Texas independence. And then, see, I never told anybody why I picked that +1 836 number. So I just I just gave it up. There you go. And then, The secret is out. There it is. And then and then the, executive producers is is $25 a month and up. And, you know, I get they get shout outs on every show. They're included in all show notes. Anything that I send out from the show has all of them in there. Why? Because their donations are helping me produce this thing, so they're my producers. So, and then, I I also try to follow the value for value model. You know, your time, your talent, your treasure. Right. And that's anonymous Angela. She she donates her time and her talent. She's incredibly helpful. So, so it's it it works out well, but I still I I I don't I don't know if I should continue on with doing stuff like that and promoting that or invest in finding investing time to find additional sponsors or putting stuff behind paywalls. I don't like paywalls. You know, I think my sense is that that I think people are starting to get a little bit of a subscription fatigue.
Yeah. You know? Because everything is a subscription now. You you there's nothing that you can really do beyond, you know, the the most basic simple things without having a subscription to something. And, you know, as as as nice as the economy is turning around, it's still not turning around fast enough where people have that disposable income. They can Yeah. Keep subscribing to things. So, like, I I'm not sure what what to do next. You know?
[01:39:28] Unknown:
Yeah. I I think because advertising rates are going down, the the programmatic stuff. So if you wanna make 0.005¢ a download, you know, that works if you got 20,000 people, 20,000 downloads, but it doesn't work for most people. And the people I see that are using crowdfunding, the the model seems to be x amount for free, x amount buying a paywall. Like, Marc Maron had a great, still has a great plan, and that is I think his last 50 episodes are free. And then anything after that, you have to pay. And he was I think it was $5 a month, but he was making $200 plus some, because he had this ginormous audience, and people wanted to hear the old Robin Williams interview, and they wanted to hear this and that. So his stuff was evergreen. If you're doing a new show, your back catalog, you know, is kind of, you know, it's yesterday's news, so that's tough.
And then, I'm doing an episode on on Monday. It's my one thousandth episode, which is kind of even crazy to think about. Right. But I I was like, okay. I'm gonna try to answer the question, how do you grow a podcast? And I was at an event, in Cleveland, and I've always said, if you want people to give you money, typically, you're either saving the money or helping them make money or saving them time because that's typically what people will bust out their wallet for or or remove a pain of some way. Mhmm. So that's that's part of that content. But then there are things, like, I always say, your show should make people either laugh, cry, think, groan, and we'll stop there because I I for, like, a week, everything I read or listened to or watched, I'm like, why did I watch that? Well, it made me either laugh, cry, think, or groan. Like, there are things I I hate watch.
But I also then looked at them like, yep. But they're also either educating me or there's some things that just entertain. Like, it's not really I'm not learning anything, you know, but I'm just, you know, like, wow. That's I've never seen this before. That's weird. So there's that. And then, there are times when, especially in news, if you can be the first to market. You know? There's there's that aspect of it. But it's there's a lot of, like, things to juggle there, but I thought about it because if you're not making me laugh, cry, think, or groan, and you're not educating me, you're not entertaining me, you're boring. Mhmm. And there are times I remember I was listening to Marc Maron, and he was interviewing some other, you know, comedian. And they're talking about the good old days at the Chuckle Hut or whatever it was, some place I've never been and some place I'll never go, and talking about behind the scenes. And you know Joey the bouncer and so and so and blah. And I don't know any of this stuff. But they did, and it was entertaining to them. And I was like, why am I listening to this? I'm like, I'm not getting anything out of this. And I'm like, oh, they're celebrities.
And celebrities kinda get a pass because you think they're gonna give you some insight. And I was like, no. This is this is boring. It's, you know, two comedians I haven't laughed once, and not a single joke. And so there are times when I I now kinda use that as, like, almost like a checklist. Like, when I look at my episode, I'm like, alright. Am I saving people time? Am I saving them money? Am I doing this laugh, cry, think, grown, educator, entertain? And if I'm not checking off two of those at least, I'm like, okay. I gotta find a way to to tweak this. And that's hard if you're doing live because you're making it up off the top of your head. So Yeah. That's where that's where creative editing comes into play for the audio. Yeah.
[01:43:00] Unknown:
That's true. Does
[01:43:02] Unknown:
rumble let you replace a video? Yeah. Yeah. You can. Because on YouTube, you can't. You you can, you know, you basically pull down the old version and upload the new one, but you can't say, hey. You know, there's a mistake in the thirty eight minute mark. I wanna take this edited version and upload it and replace the video on YouTube, which is another reason why they're annoying. Yeah. I I I I believe you can do that. I've never done it myself, but I I know that they have a they have a feature in there that that you where you can clip and you could edit,
[01:43:31] Unknown:
and then up reupload things. But, I I've never played with it really. I just I think I just clipped one segment of audio of a video that I did. Just wanted to see how it worked. Yeah. And, I think that was that was really it. But, see, what I like about Rumble is, aside from the fact I'm a shareholder, Yeah. Is, is I like the fact that, you know, we can have this kind of conversation like we were talking about earlier about cancer and different treatments for cancer and Oh, yeah. I don't get the strike. I don't get the content removed. You know?
They make it a little bit easier for you to to to to kinda monetize your show. Like, my problem is is I don't I don't get a consistent amount of people watching throughout the course of the night. So, like, I'm looking at my screen here. So on on the right side of my screen, I have a a tab for live chat, studio, and then campaigns. And, when I hit the target audience number, that little campaign light goes on and lets me know that there's a read that I can do. But if I have a guest and they're in the middle of of of of of explaining something or or telling a story, and I have the minimum number of of of viewers, that light goes on, I'm not gonna interrupt my guest just to just to do a read. And sometimes by the time they finish, you know, that number dropped below where I can do the read. So it makes it kinda difficult. And then they have the Rumble creator program, which I was part of last month, which is great. It's a great idea. It's a great platform. It's a great thing to work with, but I don't really have the following for it yet. Like, I don't have the numbers for it yet. Well and do you get to pick
[01:45:11] Unknown:
Obviously, you can click on the the ad and see if you wanna read it or not. But do you get to at least kinda pick, look, don't send me you know, maybe you don't wanna talk about cigarettes and beer or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. You do. Okay. So you have those options. So, like, don't even show those to me. Well, that's that's an interesting I have not heard of that. That's that's
[01:45:29] Unknown:
No. It's pretty it's pretty good. And, you know, like I said, if I I think if I had a more consistent viewership for the for the shows, it'll be bet more beneficial for me, but it's not. So maybe if, like, some of them have a minimum, you have to have at least 10 people watching. Alright. So I have I have 11 people watching. Dave's on a rant. I'm not gonna interrupt Dave. Dave finishes his rant. Now I have nine people watching.
[01:45:53] Unknown:
You know? Yeah. Joe's talking to me about his dog having cancer, and I wanna, like, oh, hold on, Joe. I know it's sad, but I gotta talk about MeUndies or whatever it's like. Right. Exactly.
[01:46:03] Unknown:
You know, so That's tricky. It it's it's so it's hard it's hard to do. And then their creative program, which is great. It's a great program. It really is. But I don't I just don't have the I don't have the, the traction for it yet. You have to you have to cut you have to you have to put five hours of showtime behind a paywall, behind behind the premium, the Rumble premium paywall Yeah. Which is great. It's it's fantastic. You know? I just don't have the numbers for that. You know? So
[01:46:32] Unknown:
and then Well, you you said it right the first time. You said I don't have the numbers for that yet. Yeah. Exactly. Because we We'll get there. We're gonna get there. I know we will. Well, and and the the most profitable thing for monetization is selling your own stuff. I somebody, at the school of podcasting asked me, they said, I'm not trying to get into your wallet. They said, but, like, what percentage of stuff? And I'm like, oh, 65% of my income comes from this membership site. I go now there's, like, 5% was affiliate, and, I think 9% was crowdfunding and this and that. And I go but it's and it's always like, well, which strategy should I use? I go, why limit yourself? Do do them all. I go, I got sponsors. I got Patreon. I got affiliate stuff. I'm like, you know, pennies make dollars the last time I checked. But, like, the book behind me, if you buy that from me, I think I make $12.
And I go, but if I was doing programmatic ads that pay me $5 per thousand downloads, I go, that's 2,400 downloads. Which one's easier to get? 2,400 downloads or selling one book to an engaged audience? I go, it's, you know, that's definitely the most profitable. Writing a book is a pain in the butt. It's, because you think you're done. You're like, oh, a n k, and we're done. And it's been edited, and it's been re edited, and it's been re edited. And it's been re and then I can went through five edits. And I was like, are we seriously not done with this? And, and then you realize kinda like a podcast. You think the hardest part is, you know, getting the microphone and getting your host and, you know, uploading it to whoever and getting an Apple and Spotify, all that. That's the easy part. The hard part is getting people to come listen to it. It. Yeah. And so the same thing with a book. The hard part is getting people to go buy it.
And, this is the first time I'd worked with a publisher, and the only cool thing about it is I've had people take pictures in, for whatever reason, UPS stores. And they're like, hey. I walked in. Here's your book. Click. You know? And I'm like, okay. I don't think I could have done that if I it was my own, you know, if I did a self publishing thing. But Yeah. On the other hand, I have no idea how many books I've sold. I get a check, I think, twice a year for, you know, $26 and whatever. It's because when you buy it from them, I don't make as much. So it's kinda tricky. But, I'd never been with a publisher before, and I was like, well, only one way to find out. So
[01:48:49] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, I I I do wanna get a copy of the book, though, because I I was I was checking it out online today. So I'm I'm gonna pick up a copy probably sometime this weekend. Nice. The, and when I was going through your website just to like, I don't I know we're not running out of time, but, you gave a lot of really good information, on one of the videos that I saw, on on how does about getting set up, like, what type of equipment you need, and how to do it, you you know, most cost effective. And one of the things that I I really like that you said was, you know, you you you don't need to have the best microphone, on the market. Like, like, I see I'm using, you know, the Joe Rogan special here. And I got one sitting behind me. Yeah. I mean, I love it. It's a great mic, you know, and and the reason why I went with this was because at the studio we used to use back in New York, he only had Shure mics, so that's all I knew when I got started.
So bought a Shure mic. So so but I I love it. It's great. But I have others I I dude, I have so many microphones. It's ridiculous. Oh, dude. I've I've got a Blue Yeti sitting right here. Behind me, I got a Electrolyce r e three twenty.
[01:49:59] Unknown:
I got my Shure s m seven b. Like, wait. You own a seven b, and you're not using it. And they go, why not? I go, because I like my voice better on this one. Right. It's a road it's a road pod mic USB. And I go, I know. This is 200. This one's four.
[01:50:15] Unknown:
Yeah. Well, actually weird. I like this one better. You know? Let me do this.
[01:50:22] Unknown:
Yes. We all have a drawer full. Oh, there you go. Yep. This is this is the pro the Rode Procaster.
[01:50:27] Unknown:
Yeah. I love this mic. I do. I I love the way it sounds. Like, for example, like, on the RodeCaster, that I have, the volume setting for the Shure has to be Oh, yeah. Has to be five points higher than it is for this one. Yeah. The thing's gain hungry big time. Oh, huge. And, but and it's gonna sound like a silly silly reason, but the only reason why I'm really using the Shure mic right now is because I'm a little neurotic when it comes to these things. I'm using I'm using Shure head earbuds. There you go. So I like to make it match. And Rode doesn't have earbuds. So No.
[01:51:05] Unknown:
That you know what? I got a pair of Shure somewhere around here, the earbuds. I just I'm I'm just I'm always wearing over the ear cans, so I have the time I'm like by the time I figure out how to wiggle and get the thing into the ear, I'm like, I'll just wear these these. Yeah. No. It it took some getting used to. But, and the other reason is because I I spent some money, and I got that little nameplate done. Yeah. The nameplate. Yeah. There's no that that wouldn't work on this one. Yeah. So, you know, I I gotta let it show a little bit, you know, for the amount of money that that it cost. It wasn't that expensive. It was, like like, $20. So Yeah. No big deal. But no. I always tell people, Mike, there's no one size fits all. You know? It's like whatever you know, I the first expensive mic I bought, I think, was $300. It was an AKG something. It's in a closet over there sitting dust. And why did I buy it? Because Scott Fletcher used it, and he sounds amazing.
Well, it sounds amazing for Scott. I you know? And and I find out later, oh, this is a condenser microphone. It doesn't work well unless you're in a treated room. You know? You're picking up the crickets farting outside. I'm like, oh, okay. This is you know? Right. So in in the box, it went, and it's sitting in a closet going it's in the I should put this on eBay pile that's getting bigger and bigger. So yeah. And in the end, it's not the tech. I don't have anybody going, you know, Dave, you gotta come listen to this show. I'm like, why? They're like, their audio, it's like butter for your ears, man. And I'm like, yeah. That's I've never had that. It's always about the content. Yeah. Well, I I I agree with you, and and that was one of the great points that you were making in the video that I watched. It you know, it's it's not the tech. It's it's the content
[01:52:36] Unknown:
that is behind the tech. I think I mean, I think having good equipment is important. You should. Yep. You know, as long as you can afford it. It's within your means. Bingo. I mean, this this is this isn't the the newer Shure mic. This is, the the the previous model. So this one was about, I think, 3 about about 300 for that one. The Procaster, that was I think it was 400 for the Procaster. But you know what? The one thing about Rode mics is they are built to last. Yeah. Like, that thing I mean, you could hurt somebody with that thing. That's it.
[01:53:15] Unknown:
Yeah. This one right here. The Rode PodMic Yeah. I have one of these sitting next to my next to my bed. Somebody come taking them out with my finger. There you go.
[01:53:24] Unknown:
I got yeah. So I and I have I have the Rode PodMic. I got that one before the Procaster, actually. Yeah. And, I was on the phone with customer service for for Rode, and I was like, so what what's your equivalent to this to the s m seven? And he was like, the the PodMic. He goes Yeah. Is just as good, if not better. So I bought it, but strangely enough, I didn't like the way it sounded.
[01:53:47] Unknown:
Yeah. I I'm not a huge fan. I I like the the USB version because it basically gives you the same tools. It's kinda like a single channel Roadcaster. Mhmm. It's got software that comes in it. You can boost your bass and your treble and compressor and noise gate and all that stuff, and then you save the settings into the microphone. So if I'm and right now, I'm via USB. But if I, you know, was on the road and brought it with me, it would sound the same because the settings are in the microphone when I go to the USB version. I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. That's neat. Yeah. And so, like, with this one, you know, I take it with me on the road. It's gonna sound like this. And I got unless I'm bringing a mixer with me or my Rodecaster, I'm out of luck. With this one, it's, you know, the Rodecaster is in the mic when you, use a USB. Yeah. When I go when I travel, I take, I use,
[01:54:35] Unknown:
the, the the Shure MV seven, which is the which is the USB one. Well, you can do both, USB or XLR. And I I love it. I think it's a great mic. But, I'm I'm probably I'm probably the reason why that I had the Procaster set up is because I was I was I'm gonna be switching to that probably,
[01:54:56] Unknown:
starting next week. Yeah. Oh, this is good to grab mic. Yeah. So I got a bunch of them. Let's it's like you, man. It's like it's you know, I've got a drawer full of these things. So And, I recently got a,
[01:55:06] Unknown:
a Shure was it s m four?
[01:55:11] Unknown:
I know they have the green one that's kind of main they say it's a gaming mic, but you could use it for podcasting if you wanted to. Let me see if I can get it. Hold on one second. Yeah. They're, sure makes good stuff. I like road stuff. For years, I used an Electro Voice RE three twenty. That's, the little brother to the RE 20, which is used in, like, every radio station. I've got a Heil p r 40 in my closet. That was a big one. Every now and then, that's pretty right there. Oh, it's a beautiful mic, but it's a,
[01:55:43] Unknown:
it's a it's a dynamic no. It's a it's a condenser mic. So Yeah. So you gotta be careful with this one.
[01:55:50] Unknown:
Yeah. I've got a, Rode NT one, I think it is. It's supposed to be this, like, premier condenser. And I got that when I was gonna do the voice narration for my book, and in the end, I was like, I like my voice on this microphone. That's why I'm this one. So Yeah. It's, I've I've never tried that
[01:56:08] Unknown:
from Rode, but, my my own experience with Rode has been the the Procaster and the and the PodMic. And Yeah. By far, I I love the Procaster. And then, like I said, I'm gonna be switching back to it very soon. Probably this probably this weekend. So this is the Shure SM four. Mhmm. And it comes with a comes with a so you got this neat little setup here, so you just kinda screw that in there, and it has the magnetic pop filter that you get that goes on Yeah. There somehow. Where'd it go? There we go. So that's that's that. The only problem slick. Yeah. The only problem with this is is it it doesn't do well on a boom.
Yeah. It needs to be more on a on a on a stand. And when it's on the stand, I feel like it's very intrusive in because it has to because you have to hit the sweet spot. You can't talk off the side. Right. So it has to be right in front of you. So it's it it gets a little cumbersome. But it's a great mic. I mean, it sounds beautiful. It really does. Right.
[01:57:08] Unknown:
It's just a little finicky. Yeah. It's it's
[01:57:11] Unknown:
it's not for what I thought it was gonna be. But, very happy with it. As a matter of fact, I have a friend, who he he's he's considered an executive producer for the show, and he's, he's starting up his own his own show. He's out out Washington state. And, I told him I'm gonna give this to him. I'm gonna gift it to him. Nice. Help him get started. You know? I try.
[01:57:36] Unknown:
Well, that's it. I mean, I I had people helping me when I first started, just for feedback. That's the thing I think that most people I I always feel like we're kind of in the same business model as the movies. We we have an idea what we wanna say. We record it. We edit it. And the part that we don't do is that we should, is get some people to listen to it before we go, you know, before that first live. Because even Ron Howard, the director and actor, he he still sits in a theater with an audience before it goes out because he knows when they're supposed to laugh and when they're supposed to cry. And so if everybody acts the way they're supposed to act in the in the right places, then it goes out. And, so I think sometimes we skip that step. And then what happens then is we end up promoting, you know, content resonating with the audience. And we're just I mean, my favorite example of this was, it was these.
Disney did a version of, the lone ranger with Johnny Depp as Tonto. And, I mean, they had everything set. They had the happy meal. They had the action figures and, you know, everything. And it ended up losing, I forget how many millions of dollars because they just kept they're just like, no. People need to know this movie's out. Well, no. People knew it was out. I saw that movie. It was absolutely horrendous, and it just wasn't gonna resonate. But then you look at a movie like the Sixth Sense, which I won't spoil it. If you haven't seen it, it's a great movie. It is. It's the thing. When you watch that movie, you instantly wanna grab a friend. Hey. Come watch this movie with me. I gotta see it again.
And, you know, that thing made, like it was half the budget if that, you know, probably even less than that. And it did great at the gang, you know, at the at the box office because everybody that saw out of that movie and said, you gotta go see this movie. Yeah. And so I sometimes feel that's kinda where we're at. We, you know, we have an idea what we're gonna do on our episode. We do it. We don't have time to, you know, to do any kind of, you know, screening or whatever. But we do our best, and then we hope that our audience tells a friend because 70 of podcast, you know, discoveries through word-of-mouth. Word-of-mouth. Yeah. You know? And, you know, so if we're not getting that word-of-mouth, that's, you know, back to the drawing board, back to the editing board, and, you know, try to do better on the next episode. Yeah. No. I I absolutely.
[02:00:03] Unknown:
And and it's you know, a lot of it a lot of it sounds like common sense, you know, when you when you, you know, have two guys sitting here talking about this stuff, you know, throwing this stuff out there. But it's a lot of it is common sense, but but it's a lot of it's also hard to it's hard to grasp, and it's also hard to do. It's again, podcasting is not an easy thing to do. Yeah. You know? It's not just I'm not a golfer.
[02:00:25] Unknown:
I do bowl. And all of those both those movements, there are so many things. If your wrist is you gotta do your wrist with this swing and then your, you know, your knee does this and that and keep your head on the ball and all this stuff. And if one little thing goes wrong you know? And I feel it's the same way. Sometimes you could have the best content, but you so in a kinda cute fashion with a inside joke that nobody got. So nobody clicked on it. You know? And then it's there's just all these little things, especially if you're on YouTube and video. Yeah. You know? Now you're into the whole world of the you know, you're feeding the algorithm and the thumbnails and the titles and all that stuff. So, yeah, I always say it's it's, like you said, it sounds simple, and it is. You know? Find out what your audience wants and give it to them. There you go. That everybody go podcast, but it's not easy because you know? And then that doesn't even bring in the land of trolls and people, you know, trying to drag it down and that whole nine yards, which Yeah. Depending on what you're talking about, you know, I had a guy who was so much fun for about six months, just every episode. This I don't understand how people listen to this show. This is ridiculous. Because he he would lose his mind if I had a typo in the show notes.
And the one time he's like, that's it. I cannot take this anymore. I don't understand why people are paying you money for this. And I'm like, dude, I'm not teaching them how to type. I'm teaching them how to podcast. Like, I'm sorry for the typo. He's like, that's it. I'm done. We're never coming back. And he he disappeared. And then, about two months later, I put a YouTube video, and I forget what I said. But he was like, I can't believe this is I'm like, oh, dude. I've missed you so much. And I was just it's like, you know, I I always say don't feed the trolls. You know? Just thank you for the comment. You know? Move on. But it's you can't please I had one guy once that gave us literally, like, two and a half pages of notes on the Ask the Podcast coach show. And I'm like, well, it's kind of a show where we, you know, answer questions and blah blah blah. And he was like, we should have guests, and you should do this, and you should and he basically had it for a show. It just wasn't the one I was doing. And I was like So do it. You know, I really appreciate the feedback.
That's not what we do here. You know? And it was like so and there's a name for that person, and it's called not your target audience. I'm like, I'm sorry you don't like the show, but, you know, there are only 4,000,000 other shows to choose from. You know? Go choose one of them. And Or he could take that idea into his own. Yeah. Exactly. If you you know, that's a lot of people. I just talked to a guy tonight, and he said the reason he started the show is there were other shows talking about his subject, but nobody was talking about what he wanted to talk about. And I think that's the birth of a lot of podcasts. They're like, oh, yeah. I listen to so and so show, and she does a good one, and he does it, but nobody's talking about what I wanna talk about. Mhmm. And then you find out that there are other people that feel the exact same way you do. Well, it's interesting. I I I have an idea for a show that I wanna do coming up, and
[02:03:23] Unknown:
I I know I'm I know I know I'm gonna get some some some crazy comments on this one. Yeah. But, I I'm gonna talk about Flat Earth.
[02:03:33] Unknown:
Oh, there you go. So,
[02:03:35] Unknown:
again, entertainment purposes, you know, I'm not an expert in this thing. I'm I'm trying to find somebody that can come on the show and, you know, provide some comments on it and, and talk about that. But, you know, just gonna throw it out there and see what see what see what grabs. See what happens. Yeah. Yeah. You know, just because, you know, as much as I love news, as much as I love the commentary and opinions and all that stuff, it it's it gets it it wears me down sometimes, you know. Oh, yeah. You know, it it's it's it's difficult to talk about sometime.
So, I'm gonna change it up a little bit. Now I have I'm booked with guests all the way through to the end of the month. So, I'm probably not gonna do that until I have some time where I can just have a just just me and the audience, you know Yeah. Kinda reconnect way we the way we used to do it. And, so we'll see. We'll see how it goes. But, you know, my whole show was basically an anything and everything type show. There's nothing off the books. We can talk about whatever, and I'm not gonna censor your opinion. If if I agree with you, great. If I don't agree with you, great. No problem. Say what you gotta say, get it off your chest, and then we'll move on. I I did a show with a guy, a few months ago, and we'd we'd he was a doctor and then very well very well educated man. And, you know, we had a great conversation varied from medicine to faith to theology to, you know, history and so on and so forth. There were things that we didn't agree with agree about.
And, you know, and what I appreciated about his comment was and I think I I think it's on the PodHome. I think he mentioned it in his, not PodHome. Sorry. PodMatch on one of the reviews that he left, that, you know, where we didn't agree, we just laughed about it and moved on and just kept talking. You know? And that's Not a whole idea. It's called a dialogue. Exactly. I think, we used to do that back in the day. Yeah. I'm with you. Anymore. Not so much anymore. No. But, the, I I guess so before we go, because I we're over the 09:00 time. I don't know if you if you wanna stick around for a few more minutes. Yeah. We're fine. But, what do you like, I I like long form.
You know what I mean? So I there aren't many podcasts that are long form shows.
[02:05:49] Unknown:
Well, it's people always ask how long should my show be, and I go, how long can you hold my attention? Mhmm. And but there are times, like, I I'm a guitar player, and Rick Beato had, Dave Gilmore, the guitar player of Pink Floyd, and they got very nerdy about very guitar stuff that only guitar players would love. So part of his audience is probably like, why are we talking about this weird silver pedal thing and, you know, what's this in capacitor? I mean, they got so nerdy to the point where I was kinda like, this is a little too nerdy for me, and I'm a guitar player. Right. But you're not gonna get that any place else. Mhmm. Like, you're not getting that on Jimmy Fallon. You're not getting it on you know? And it was just and it was live, and it was in his studio, so you got to see things you couldn't do. And so there's a book called Beyond Powerful Radio by Valerie Geller that's really good. It's it's geared for radio, but there's a lot of stuff that applies to podcasting. My favorite quote out of the whole book is, there is no such thing as too long, only too boring. And I was like, oh, that is so good. That's profound. And I thought about it because I've listened to five minute shows that felt like an hour. Mhmm. And I've listened to an hour long show that felt like five minutes. So it really boils down to who's my audience and what do they want. Because I, I did one episode of the school podcasting. Normally, they're thirty to forty minutes, but this was an hour and ten. So I went way over, but it was about interviews and how to find guests and then how to do good interviews, etcetera, etcetera.
And just everybody was asking me about this. Like, I'm just gonna do a brain dump. And then if somebody asked me a question, I can answer it and then go for more information to see this episode. That episode, when I look at it in Apple, has over a 100% completion rate. People went back and listened to it more than once. So it's it's not the length. It's it's the quality. And that's where, you know, for the longest time, people are like, man, I wish I could see how far people listen. I'm like, be careful what you you wish for because then you go into Apple Podcast and Spotify's dashboard, and they both show that. And I remember once I was working with a client, he goes, oh, it's saying 30%. Is that good? I go, you're talking to an old teacher. I go, where I come from, 70 is a c. Mhmm. 80 is a b and 90 is an a. And I go, you got a 30.
I go, that's that's not great in my book. I go, now, you know, depending on what your goal is, you know, I go, but I would shoot for, you know, a 100. And if you miss, you might land on 90. You know? But 30, that's you know? And there there are things where, like, if you do the same intro, which I do, so I can see where my audience comes in and immediately have a waterfall. And who are those? I can see where 90% of my audience is following the show. So they know that it's, you know, the podcasting since 02/2005. I say the same thing like Dave Ramsey. And then it levels off, and then it's kinda fun, and I can see where my ads are because all of a sudden there'll be a little dip, and then it comes right back up. So that's everybody in fast forward. You know? And then the minute you hint that the show is over, they they are scattered like cockroaches with the lights on. It's crazy. I'm like, all I said was, as we start to wind down here, it's like, boom, they're gone. I'm like, oh, holy cow. So Yeah. That's interesting because I do the same thing. I I watch
[02:08:59] Unknown:
I watch the live numbers. Like, when my show starts, I have the I have the bay same basic opening. Just the only difference that I do from time to time is I have the same voice over track, but I have different background music to it. That's the only difference I really make, you know. So I I change it up every now and then.
[02:09:15] Unknown:
See, I have people I've used the same theme music forever, and it I I remember once I was talking about getting new theme song, and my audience came out of nowhere. Like, do not change that. I get so pumped up when I hear that music. And I was like, oh, I did not know. Alright. Didn't know the music was sacred. They're like they're like, I grew up with Johnny Carson, and I remember his theme song. And they're like, that's the theme song. Don't mess with the theme song. I'm like, alright. Not messing with the theme song. Like, okay. The only reason why I I I would contemplate changing it is,
[02:09:44] Unknown:
like, I I get it. The the the main one that I use, I it's a royalty free, Yeah. All that stuff. So, I don't have a problem with that. There's another track that I use that, one of my guests actually produced and played lead guitar on it. Oh, nice. And when I heard it, I was like, wow. That is good. I like that. And so I asked him if I could use it from time to time, and he sent me a copy of it without the without the vocal tracks. And, so I used that, like, I don't know if I can let me play it for you. Do you mind? Yeah. Alright. So the name of the band is The Angelics, and, the name of the song is Digital Dungeon.
So so this one this, this one has the voice over track on it, so sorry about that. That's alright.
[02:10:37] Unknown:
Transguest line from the asylum studios deep in the bowels of Southwest Texas. It's the Joe Rouge show. Yeah. The show where we talk about anything and everything. Where nothing is sacred, nothing is watered down, and nothing is PC.
[02:10:58] Unknown:
So I love the track. Yeah. Very Iron Maiden ish. Yeah. It is. Yeah. Very retro. Yeah.
[02:11:07] Unknown:
Yeah.
[02:11:10] Unknown:
Very cool.
[02:11:11] Unknown:
And then And riff. Oh, it is. And it you know, it and I find it sets the pace for the show too.
[02:11:17] Unknown:
That's it. You know? Yeah. I, it's funny. I I grew up on metal, but I always have a funky side to me. So if you can so, like, I love the band Extreme Mhmm. With Nuno. And so my intro music is kinda funky, and it turns out it's some guy from Akron where I grew up made the music. Oh, really? But it's always that. And then I I finally the one show I do about podcast websites called podcast website tips, I was like, I gotta get something that doesn't sound so Dave Jackson. I'm like, let's do something complete and it is. It sets the mood. It's, kind of jazzy, bluesy piano.
Just a it's a little it's not quite so, you know, high energy, let's go and do it kind of thing. It was like, alright. Here's a fun tip that you know? Yeah. And so, yeah, the music can really set the mood.
[02:12:05] Unknown:
When, on the show that I do with my my sponsors, like, so so I do a Tuesday show with, Ezra Healing. And then coming up on the thirteenth, I'm gonna have the owner of, Podholme on the show. It's a we can do a special Saturday show because just what is his name? I'm sitting here. Is it Rudy, Brandy? Barry Loubregt. Barry. I knew it was something with a b. Barry Loubregt. Great guy. Love the man. Ever since I went over to Podholme, he's been just we became really good friends. Yeah. He's a good guy. Yeah. So, and I appreciate that he's he's sponsoring the show, and so it's it's a great it's great. So he's gonna be on the show on the thirteenth.
I think it's a 12:00 start for me, but it's, like, 7PM where he is. So, so I'm looking forward to doing that, and I forgot why I was even bringing up that whole thing. Oh, The music? Music. Yes. So, what I what I what I did is I pulled up I I I didn't put it on my on my, my Rodecaster yet. I have the theme song to his podcast. I found I just randomly found it. I was going through this I was going through this, royalty free thing, and I was, like, well, that let's let's hear what this one is. And I was, like, oh, that sounds familiar. What is that? And it turned out to be his. So I so I grabbed it. And so when I do the show with him, I'm gonna open the show with his music to to to the show that he did.
His show was called About Podcasting. I don't know if you've checked him out, but he's really good stuff. He had some really good information out there. He took a break from it. He's doing some really big upgrades with Podholme. He's also developed a new app that's still I think it's still in beta, but, it's good to about it though. I heard it's pretty cool. Yeah. So we're gonna I'm in the beta program, so I have it on my phone. It's it's really nice. I it's the the the user interface is beautiful. It's really smooth. It's clean, and just just really good. I my only suggestion would be to, if you're a if you're a PodHome customer to to the to the host platform, there should be a lot you should be able to log in and do your podcast stuff.
[02:14:03] Unknown:
That's a that's the problem with that, as someone who worked at Libsyn, easy on the I piece of cake problem. I don't know if it's a piece of cake, but it's easier. The problem when you get into Android, there's it's like Baskins and Robins over there. They're where almost everybody's on the latest version of iOS on the Apple side. Mhmm. On the Android side, it's it's just herding cats. So you can come up with software, and it won't work for, you know, 38% of the people on an Android. I'm like, oh, man. Yeah. Because I always wondered that. Like, why isn't because they're you'll have these cool tools on the iOS side, and and I'm like, why and then I when I was at because it's just not the same thing where, you know, there's even though they're all Google and it's Android, you know, you got Samsung and all these different they're all on different versions of this is strawberry, and this is, you know, cantaloupe and whatever the different versions are. So when you try to write software, it's just it's a nightmare.
[02:15:01] Unknown:
So but Well, Dave, I'm I think my I I don't know if you hear Charlie. He's barking by the by the steward. Well, you gotta we can't leave Charlie out the, you know Well, it's He's probably gotta he's gotta go to the bathroom now. No. He needs dinner is what he's he's waiting for. He knows he's getting dinner tonight. So I cook for them every night. The the I spoil them rotten. So Nice, man. Good for you. Yeah. I try. I try. So, Dave, here's what we'll do. I'm gonna close out the show. You're welcome to sit there while we do it because I just got a couple of announcements and stuff to do. And then, and then we can say goodbye from there. Is, just, let us know where we could find you, find out more information about the school and your book and all that great stuff. Yeah.
[02:15:40] Unknown:
I'll give you two websites. My main website is school..com. That's the courses, the community, the coaching. That's all there. But I do have a lot of irons in the fire. And so all of my stuff, if you go to powerofpodcasting.com, that's got links to my book, and I've got three or four different podcasting and all that stuff. So if you wanna see everything, go to powerofpodcasting.com.
[02:16:02] Unknown:
Alright. Outstanding. Alright, folks. Well, Dave Jackson, and I have been waiting to talk to you for so long. This was this was great. I didn't get to any of the questions that I had. We just we just rolled through it. That was awesome. I would love to be able to get you back on again another time when you have some time and and chitchat some more. This is because this was really great information that we got tonight, and, and I know I know I'm hope hopefully, the audience got something really good out of this too. Hopefully, there are some budding podcasters out there that There we go. That we, we we inspired to, get into the fight here. Alright. So let's, let's wrap this baby up here. So announcements, just don't forget to head over to the website, joeroos.com joeroos.com.
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Introduction to the Joe Ruge Show
Joe Ruge's Weekly Recap
Upcoming Guests and Show Announcements
Housekeeping and Listener Engagement
Guest Introduction: Kenny Dupar
Interview with Kenny Dupar: War Stories and Writing
COVID-19 Discussion and Personal Experiences
Reflections on Government and Society
Guest Introduction: Dave Jackson
Podcasting Insights with Dave Jackson
Monetization Strategies and Equipment Talk
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